From ahmed@tamkien.com Fri Mar 25 02:26:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 3gv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 3gv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB093A6982 for <3gv6@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 02:26:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.003 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UME7d+ruXGnm for <3gv6@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 02:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.53.216]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DECA53A695F for <3gv6@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 02:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [98.139.52.193] by nm21.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2011 09:27:47 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.142] by tm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2011 09:27:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2011 09:27:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 196743.59187.bm@omp1025.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 15619 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2011 09:27:47 -0000 Received: from mTOSH (ahmed@92.62.116.85 with login) by smtp113.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2011 02:27:46 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Lha92E6swBDQOvc4cp4YoQvOX.m.z3U- X-YMail-OSG: dq3SwBcVM1k2Rs44qeIpiGabuIktUQJwQjEc5XkRqpFoJ6w nC2Rbh9Or8aYWTeBRj5XXW7dZiSzp.yfji.syyn4F176DDy6wwiLYsqaZFFH 8PVsHPxvCOPKX_A6XIZNxhTfJKdrc_WGgFEAGcH2FqrbObfci4boCmbEqeGB 3eO8AeGiNbScgl3RlV.FtsmmalJKkAMHgKST8.B3jX52hdLb5PHf1PVOV2oA GHbMutWpiY3PxuxrXcs1iu25kGLWLprjtr35wFVgZ4PzhxTSKwVVffmNG49p UmE66d3e.xN_5VKu0wrudsyZhpXkwVSVcGLmRlLVVks0Unp3ku9EOcGi3C.8 LC0Ob.5bHwZcw2CyvRUo6YpESQBKGBloVbHIUflfoMXAdZmvzb._jXBk8BdS BWuHGth6kY1rHNlaRl08A.HYKkVo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <04D80F55207D47D6A0B44C73DF6BFEE2@mTOSH> From: "Ahmed Abu-Abed" To: <3gv6@ietf.org> References: <6803CEEF855F44AA99632847B5E1D4B0@mTOSH> In-Reply-To: <6803CEEF855F44AA99632847B5E1D4B0@mTOSH> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:27:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01CBEADF.A5546810" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 Subject: [3gv6] IPv4 depletion at RIR level X-BeenThere: 3gv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This mailing list is intended for discussions relating to the use of IPv6 in cellular networks." <3gv6.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:26:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CBEADF.A5546810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Predictions show that practical depletion of IPv4 at APNIC (Asia-Pac) = will be late next month and at RIPE region by June 2011.=20 By practical depletion I mean when an operator cannot request more than = one block of /22 of IPv4, i.e. 1024 addresses, and this will be the = final IPv4 allocation for the operator. More at = http://www.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-rir-pools-zoom.jpg=20 -Ahmed ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CBEADF.A5546810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Predictions show that practical depletion of = IPv4 at=20 APNIC (Asia-Pac) will be late next month and at RIPE region by June = 2011.=20
 
By practical depletion I mean when an operator = cannot=20 request more than one block of /22 of IPv4, i.e. 1024 addresses, = and this=20 will be the final IPv4 allocation for the operator. More at http://ww= w.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-rir-pools-zoom.jpg 
 
-Ahmed
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CBEADF.A5546810-- From ahmed@tamkien.com Fri Mar 25 02:38:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 3gv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 3gv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3443A6844 for <3gv6@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 02:38:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.297 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.297 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BWr8E-FqD2+E for <3gv6@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 02:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.250]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CD5C3A682B for <3gv6@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 02:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [98.139.52.188] by nm30.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2011 09:39:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.144] by tm1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2011 09:39:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2011 09:39:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 921670.73443.bm@omp1027.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28341 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2011 09:39:54 -0000 Received: from mTOSH (ahmed@92.62.116.85 with login) by smtp115.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2011 02:39:54 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Lha92E6swBDQOvc4cp4YoQvOX.m.z3U- X-YMail-OSG: Ep_njAgVM1lrCgeWIdcGHSjA08EqAGjuxZkTP_TBwkj1DiE cxpsy_Ov.sSPI_hLBxsMZiZHUePoJDWMhGmH.kWcvTPtkQ1pRKF4KUmy9h0M tPt4ytIOD3nLrk5kWeMKoTgLDFtB1UehLTxIDg6I3FZUzgEaXucy.rcA2.bb wBV4_ZvDevDX8EzOKhvPYMGWPtODtD7PBbADCBqAbnxcvmJiN1TAKyNZnHYW hRpFkQgk0ZyXHZ2DPdMh1HiAhl9wI0VgIHB2P0OY5RFfboRzA8V1M_BhkNdE PT3nFJxEKtB.z4PoOhnhahZ1.n_2GeXeA4j22DGIs0YcEvcAW8KJho2wTVhn cZk97Z4Y5zpvfxZyfLd6o9Vf6Bn3aM.WemLtpln8o0.yX_cSL7uh_brGhkIz Q_IJbgCyppUP3Y7MiVAqQp886CrPe8YrsbRQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <8F100E97667946E98F95E5D67B0AD337@mTOSH> From: "Ahmed Abu-Abed" To: "Scott W Brim" References: <6803CEEF855F44AA99632847B5E1D4B0@mTOSH> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:39:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01CBEAE1.56C42F30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 Cc: 3gv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [3gv6] IPv4 depletion just happened X-BeenThere: 3gv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This mailing list is intended for discussions relating to the use of IPv6 in cellular networks." <3gv6.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:38:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CBEAE1.56C42F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please provide a link to the white papers, my search came up with ones = that are 2008 vintage and likely miss the latest IETF standards and = drafts on v6 transition and v4 coexistence (which are two different = topics). Thanks, -Ahmed From: Scott W Brim=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 5:01 AM To: Hui Deng=20 Cc: Ahmed Abu-Abed ; 3gv6@ietf.org=20 Subject: Re: [3gv6] IPv4 depletion just happened In case you hadn't heard, the GSMS has produced the first of two white = papers on v4/v6 transition and coexistence, focusing mainly but not = exclusively on interoperability. This first paper is for end-to-end = user plane traffic. It is now in the hands of their "interworking and = roaming experts" group, who will flesh out the details, produce the = equivalent of a handbook, etc. The second paper will be on the = transport plane and local breakout. They will be working on that one = through the Spring. I am concerned about duplication of effort and confusion of results. = Could you possibly work within GSMA? They are the worldwide body that = coordinates operational issues for almost all mobile operators. If = independent groups produce conflicting recommendations, they are the = ones who will have to resolve the conflicts in any case. The next face-to-face meeting is in Shanghai, the same week as the IETF. Scott [Sent from my mobile.] On Feb 1, 2011 9:37 PM, "Hui Deng" wrote: > please go ahead if any implemention needed and could benefit for = mobile > network. >=20 > regards, >=20 > -Hui >=20 > 2011/2/1 Ahmed Abu-Abed >=20 >> Hello everyone, >> >> IPv4 depletion at the top registry level just happened but this mail = list >> has been very quiet. >> >> Is there any interest on this mail list for discussing implementing = IPv6 >> over existing 3G & upcoming LTE networks ? >> >> -Ahmed >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 3gv6 mailing list >> 3gv6@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/3gv6 >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CBEAE1.56C42F30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please provide a link to the white papers, my = search=20 came up with ones that are 2008 vintage and likely miss the latest = IETF=20 standards and drafts on v6 transition and v4 coexistence (which are two=20 different topics).
 
Thanks,
-Ahmed
 

Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [3gv6] IPv4 depletion just = happened

In case you hadn't heard, the GSMS has produced the first of two = white papers=20 on v4/v6 transition and coexistence, focusing mainly but not exclusively = on=20 interoperability.  This first paper is for end-to-end user plane=20 traffic.  It is now in the hands of their "interworking and roaming = experts" group, who will flesh out the details, produce the equivalent = of a=20 handbook, etc.  The second paper will be on the transport plane and = local=20 breakout. They will be working on that one through the Spring.

I am concerned about duplication of effort and confusion of = results. =20 Could you possibly work within GSMA?  They are the worldwide body = that=20 coordinates operational issues for almost all mobile operators.  If = independent groups produce conflicting recommendations, they are the = ones who=20 will have to resolve the conflicts in any case.

The next face-to-face meeting is in Shanghai, the same week as the = IETF.

Scott

[Sent from my mobile.]

On Feb 1, 2011 9:37 PM, "Hui Deng" <denghui02@gmail.com> = wrote:> please go ahead if any implemention needed and = could=20 benefit for mobile
> network.
>
> regards,
> =
>=20 -Hui
>
> 2011/2/1 Ahmed Abu-Abed <ahmed@tamkien.com>
> =
>>=20 Hello everyone,
>>
>> IPv4 depletion at the top = registry level=20 just happened but this mail list
>> has been very=20 quiet.
>>
>> Is there any interest on this mail list = for=20 discussing implementing IPv6
>> over existing 3G & upcoming = LTE=20 networks ?
>>
>> = -Ahmed
>>
>>
>>=20 _______________________________________________
>> 3gv6 mailing = list
>> 3gv6@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/= mailman/listinfo/3gv6
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