From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 20 13:32:21 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBwKu-0002MS-NP; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:32:16 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBwKt-0002MI-AO for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:32:15 -0400 Received: from whasmtp-tariff.pas.sa.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.87]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBwKs-0007wM-NV for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:32:15 -0400 Received: from [24.23.247.187] (helo=KDDILAB) by whasmtp-tariff.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IBwKr-00060z-Nc for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:32:13 -0700 From: "carl williams" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:31:10 -0700 Message-ID: <00b401c7caf3$c3479320$6401a8c0@KDDILAB> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfK8gjKLprEarLYStKmA59xqpfxaAAAUrFQ X-ELNK-Trace: aa5a20d1594cbd964b279780b5ba4f22d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc132a43dd1d301d7499cc04b407fc0df7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.23.247.187 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a4a24b484706be629f915bfb1a3e4771 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Chicago Blue Line issues during 7/20-7/22 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0406891677==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0406891677== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C7CAB9.16E8BB20" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C7CAB9.16E8BB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Hilton front desk informed me to take the airport express shuttle when arriving into Chicago this weekend for the IETF: Blue Line Slow Zone Elimination Project - Weekend Service Interruption July 20 - 23, 2007 _____ Blue Line Slow Zone Elimination Project Effective 11:00 p.m., Friday, July 20 until 1:00 a.m., Monday, July 23, 2007 Due to Blue Line construction to eliminate slow zones, Blue Line rail service will be temporarily suspended in both directions between the Clark/Lake (accessible) and western/Milwaukee stations. Bus shuttles will operate as a substitute for rail service, making all stops from Jackson (accessible) to Western/Milwaukee. CTA Blue Line trains provide frequent service from O'Hare Airport to downtown in only 45-50 minutes. The Blue Line operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C7CAB9.16E8BB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The Hilton front desk informed me = to take the airport express shuttle when arriving into Chicago this weekend for the = IETF:

 

 

Blue Line Slow Zone = Elimination Project - Weekend Service Interruption July 20 - 23, 2007 =

 

 

Blue Line Slow Zone Elimination = Project =

Effective 11:00 p.m., Friday, July 20 until 1:00 = a.m., Monday, July 23, 2007 =

Due to Blue Line construction to eliminate slow zones, Blue Line rail service will be temporarily suspended in both directions between the Clark/Lake (accessible) and western/Milwaukee stations. Bus shuttles will operate as a substitute = for rail service, making all stops from Jackson (accessible) to Western/Milwaukee.

 

CTA Blue Line trains provide frequent service from O'Hare Airport to downtown in only 45-50 minutes.

The Blue Line operates 24 hours a day, seven days a = week.

 

------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C7CAB9.16E8BB20-- --===============0406891677== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============0406891677==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 20 14:30:15 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBxEz-0005yD-W8; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:30:13 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBxEz-0005y8-H5 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:30:13 -0400 Received: from keys.pgpeng.com ([63.251.255.74]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBxEx-0004sa-Uv for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:30:13 -0400 Received: from keys.pgpeng.com (keys.pgpeng.com [127.0.0.1]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal) with ESMTP id 2FA59F022B; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pgpeng.com ([63.251.255.75]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:30:11 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:30:11 -0700 Received: from [63.251.255.74] (account derek HELO keys.pgpeng.com) by pgpeng.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPSA id 1906987; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:30:10 -0700 Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org ([75.72.154.73]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:30:10 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:30:10 -0700 Message-ID: <46A0FF2C.6080301@pgp.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:30:04 -0400 From: Derek Atkins User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: carl williams Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Chicago Blue Line issues during 7/20-7/22 References: <00b401c7caf3$c3479320$6401a8c0@KDDILAB> In-Reply-To: <00b401c7caf3$c3479320$6401a8c0@KDDILAB> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Of course that presumes you come in via ORD and not MDW. From MDW take the Orange line and then transfer to the Red (at Roosevelt) for the Monroe/State stop. (I'll verify this tomorrow and send out a correction if it causes me trouble). -derek carl williams wrote: > The Hilton front desk informed me to take the airport express shuttle > when arriving into Chicago this weekend for the IETF: > > > > > > **Blue Line Slow Zone Elimination Project - Weekend Service Interruption > July 20 - 23, 2007 ** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > *Blue Line Slow Zone Elimination Project* > > *Effective 11:00 p.m., Friday, July 20 until 1:00 a.m., Monday, July 23, > 2007* > > Due to Blue Line construction to eliminate slow zones*, Blue Line rail > service will be temporarily suspended in both direction*s between the > Clark/Lake (accessible) and western/Milwaukee stations. Bus shuttles > will operate as a substitute for rail service, making all stops from > Jackson (accessible) to Western/Milwaukee. > > > > CTA Blue Line trains provide frequent service from _O'Hare Airport_ to > downtown in only 45-50 minutes. > > The Blue Line operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees -- Derek Atkins Principal Software Engineer PGP Corporation 4 Farragut Ave Somerville, MA 02144 +1 617 623 3745 | warlord@pgp.com PGP Corporation -- Rest Secured.(TM) PGP Fingerprint: 0FEE 5EA1 FF22 E0C9 4FFE 631A 9232 FF93 1C80 1DB7 This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copies of this email and any attachments thereto. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 20 14:47:13 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBxVN-0003yu-HX; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:47:09 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBxVM-0003yk-CJ for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:47:08 -0400 Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com ([216.82.250.83]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBxVL-0005IY-R1 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:47:08 -0400 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1184957224!10365010!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.53] Received: (qmail 9177 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2007 18:47:05 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlph073.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.53) by server-13.tower-120.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 20 Jul 2007 18:47:05 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlph073.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KIl4lp028815 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:47:04 -0400 Received: from mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com (mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com [144.155.224.139]) by mlph073.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KIl0Sp028776 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:47:00 -0400 Received: from sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KIl0qG008443 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:47:00 -0400 Received: from maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KIkujW008358 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:46:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200707201846.l6KIkujW008358@mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (acmt.mt.att.com[135.16.251.94](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20070720184656gw10010gjre>; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:46:56 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:46:48 -0400 To: 69attendees@ietf.org From: Al Morton Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Chicago Blue Line issues during 7/20-7/22 In-Reply-To: <46A0FF2C.6080301@pgp.com> References: <00b401c7caf3$c3479320$6401a8c0@KDDILAB> <46A0FF2C.6080301@pgp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org At 02:30 PM 7/20/2007, Derek Atkins wrote: >Of course that presumes you come in via ORD and not MDW. From MDW take >the Orange line and then transfer to the Red (at Roosevelt) for the >Monroe/State stop. (I'll verify this tomorrow and send out a correction >if it causes me trouble). Another option is to stay on the Orange Line, go around the loop, and get off at the Madison stop (1 block north of Monroe, and possibly closer to the Hilton, if memory serves). Al http://www.transitchicago.com/maps/maps/fwebmaptrain.gif _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 20 15:11:40 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBxt5-0006o9-6f; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:11:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBxt3-0006nz-Gj for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:11:37 -0400 Received: from keys.pgpeng.com ([63.251.255.74]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBxt2-0005t0-UT for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:11:37 -0400 Received: from keys.pgpeng.com (keys.pgpeng.com [127.0.0.1]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal) with ESMTP id A6284F022B; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pgpeng.com ([63.251.255.75]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:11:36 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:11:36 -0700 Received: from [63.251.255.74] (account derek HELO keys.pgpeng.com) by pgpeng.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPSA id 1907313; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:11:36 -0700 Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org ([75.72.154.73]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:11:36 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:11:36 -0700 Message-ID: <46A108E1.8060202@pgp.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:11:29 -0400 From: Derek Atkins User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Al Morton Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Chicago Blue Line issues during 7/20-7/22 References: <00b401c7caf3$c3479320$6401a8c0@KDDILAB> <46A0FF2C.6080301@pgp.com> <200707201846.l6KIkujW008358@mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com> In-Reply-To: <200707201846.l6KIkujW008358@mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Al Morton wrote: > At 02:30 PM 7/20/2007, Derek Atkins wrote: >> Of course that presumes you come in via ORD and not MDW. From MDW take >> the Orange line and then transfer to the Red (at Roosevelt) for the >> Monroe/State stop. (I'll verify this tomorrow and send out a correction >> if it causes me trouble). > > Another option is to stay on the Orange Line, go around the loop, > and get off at the Madison stop (1 block north of Monroe, and > possibly closer to the Hilton, if memory serves). > > Al > http://www.transitchicago.com/maps/maps/fwebmaptrain.gif True, indeed from the PHH website it says: >From Midway Airport, take the Orange Line from Midway to downtown. Get off at the Adams/Wabash stop. The Palmer House is located on the west side of Wabash Avenue. Mapquest puts us South of Monroe between State and Wabash, so it's more walking from the Orange line (but you don't have to change trains). -derek, who should've done 5 minutes more research before posting the first time. -- Derek Atkins Principal Software Engineer PGP Corporation 4 Farragut Ave Somerville, MA 02144 +1 617 623 3745 | warlord@pgp.com PGP Corporation -- Rest Secured.(TM) PGP Fingerprint: 0FEE 5EA1 FF22 E0C9 4FFE 631A 9232 FF93 1C80 1DB7 This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto) by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copies of this email and any attachments thereto. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 21 08:20:12 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICDwO-0000lQ-Di; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:20:08 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICDwN-0000lK-Gp for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:20:07 -0400 Received: from smtp121.iad.emailsrvr.com ([207.97.245.121]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICDwM-0007ED-82 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:20:07 -0400 Received: by relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id E012144C0B7 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46A1FBA6.7050805@isoc.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:27:18 -0400 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] IETF 69 Streaming X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org The webpage for the streaming has been updated to reflect the schedule for monday and tuesday. http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ One addition is that we intend to record and broadcast the Sunday IEPG meeting located in the crystal ballroom from 1000-1200 CDT. Regards Joel Jaeggli _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 21 08:50:59 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICEQC-0005kZ-Nu; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:50:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICEQC-0005kT-6x for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:50:56 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.173] helo=mgw-ext14.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICEQA-0007rz-OE for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:50:56 -0400 Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-ext14.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l6LCoD8d000921 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:50:52 +0300 Received: from esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.33]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:50:21 +0300 Received: from esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.177]) by esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:50:21 +0300 Received: from mgw-int01.ntc.nokia.com ([172.21.143.96]) by esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:50:20 +0300 Received: from [172.28.169.147] (daec-linuxvpn05859.americas.nokia.com [10.241.58.59]) by mgw-int01.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l6LCoIRo009826 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:50:19 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: 69attendees@ietf.org Message-Id: <13775707-D24C-4E73-A7AB-5BA98EEBDB95@nokia.com> From: Lars Eggert Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:50:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2007 12:50:20.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2805930:01C7CB95] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f60d0f7806b0c40781eee6b9cd0b2135 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Lunch options around the Palmer House Hilton X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1297336026==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1297336026== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-556586751; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-3-556586751 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I found these googling around: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/399947 http://www.chowhound.com/topics/370730 So far went to Pizano's (good value) and Vivere (overpriced for what they deliver). 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============1297336026==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 21 09:21:17 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICEtV-0003WI-Oz; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:21:13 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICEtU-0003W9-Ab for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:21:12 -0400 Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.71.100]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICEtT-00039a-SH for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:21:12 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2007 09:21:10 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,566,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="40475821:sNHT7595364" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:20:28 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Train service during the weekend Thread-Index: AcfLmegkcaKhDig7TeijqrON590KzA== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Train service during the weekend X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org For folks who intend to use the train service from O'Hare - there are works ongoing on the line today 7/21, so the service is interrupted for a certain section, passengers are transferred to a bus shuttle, and go back onto the train two stations before Monroe. Total travel time in these conditions was 75 minutes. No big problem, unless you have heavy luggage, but Monroe station does not seem to have an elevator anyway, or maybe I could not find it.=20 Dan =20 _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 21 10:41:24 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICG92-00045C-6x; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:41:20 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICG90-000457-Gz for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:41:18 -0400 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICG90-0004cW-2M for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:41:18 -0400 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 670D6212A4 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:41:14 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-b2038bb0000007e1-65-46a21b0aff96 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 4AC57200F6 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:41:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw109.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.200.2]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:41:13 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Lunch options around the Palmer House Hilton Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:41:13 +0200 Message-ID: <026F8EEDAD2C4342A993203088C1FC05055467D9@esealmw109.eemea.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <13775707-D24C-4E73-A7AB-5BA98EEBDB95@nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Lunch options around the Palmer House Hilton Thread-Index: AcfLldNGH23JfwosS++HD+8e+hs80QAFkE1w References: <13775707-D24C-4E73-A7AB-5BA98EEBDB95@nokia.com> From: "Ingemar Johansson S (LU/EAB)" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2007 14:41:13.0975 (UTC) FILETIME=[30101070:01C7CBA5] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org And for those who like to eat "the mother of fast food" and at the same time get a primer on MLK and the Civil rights movement in the 60's, the McDonalds restaurant at 230 south State St is the place to go. Ingemar=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Lars Eggert [mailto:lars.eggert@nokia.com]=20 > Sent: den 21 juli 2007 06:50 > To: 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Lunch options around the Palmer House Hilton=20 >=20 > I found these googling around: > http://www.chowhound.com/topics/399947 > http://www.chowhound.com/topics/370730 >=20 > So far went to Pizano's (good value) and Vivere (overpriced=20 > for what they deliver). >=20 > Lars >=20 _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 21 11:06:33 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICGXN-000438-Vd; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:06:29 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICGXM-00042v-Jl for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:06:28 -0400 Received: from usaga01-in.huawei.com ([206.16.17.211]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICGXI-0001nI-Uu for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:06:28 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (usaga01-in [172.18.4.6]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JLJ00KM7BAO2A@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s73602 (host-64-202-138-2.getcosi.com [64.202.138.2]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JLJ003WGBALUP@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:03:19 -0500 From: Spencer Dawkins Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Lunch options around the Palmer House Hilton To: 69attendees@ietf.org Message-id: <001c01c7cba8$46978d70$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <13775707-D24C-4E73-A7AB-5BA98EEBDB95@nokia.com> <026F8EEDAD2C4342A993203088C1FC05055467D9@esealmw109.eemea.ericsson.se> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Cosi's worked last night (I am not picky, but it's like Panini's or Atlanta Bread Company), and has a working WLAN connection this morning (and if you aren't reading this from the Hilton, you'll know why that matters this morning). I THINK I'm at this one - at least, I turned right out the front door on Monroe and walked until I was at the park, then turned right - but the website at http://getcosi.com/ has details. Michigan & Monroe 116 South Michigan Avenue Chicago, IL 60603 Phone: 312-223-1061 Fax: 312-223-1466 Free Wireless Internet Available: Yes Hours: Monday: 6:30a-9p Tuesday: 6:30a-9p Wednesday: 6:30a-9p Thursday: 6:30a-9p Friday: 6:30a-10p Saturday: 7a-10p Sunday: 8a-9p We're gonna be really glad to see the IETF network come up. At least my room and Olaf's room on 13 aren't getting IP addresses assigned, and the same thing is happening with wireless HHONORs downstairs. I wish everyone could have seen the faces when I told the people at the Hilton - "I don't know how many geeks are descending on this place in the next 24 hours, but the room block was listed as 1000 - "this includes the working group for the protocol that isn't working (DHCP) - "there are probably at least 800 IETF attendees who can tell you how to fix the problem, AND - "you can't tell that 800 from the 200 who don't have a clue, but they'll also be telling you how to fix it - so don't wait to escalate" Enjoy your stay... Spencer _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 21 11:09:59 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICGak-0000ml-Uj; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:09:58 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICGaj-0000mg-Hb for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:09:57 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICGaj-000565-6A for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:09:57 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2007 08:09:54 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAB+/oUarR7O6/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,566,1175497200"; d="scan'208"; a="167716010:sNHT25497261" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6LF9sDv015341 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:09:54 -0700 Received: from dwingwxp ([10.32.240.196]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6LF9rA0020826 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:09:53 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:09:56 -0700 Message-ID: <011301c7cba9$33415660$c4f0200a@amer.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfLqTJ3hVN8HdZqR7C+dx/FPnBR1w== DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=560; t=1185030594; x=1185894594; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=dwing@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Dan=20Wing=22=20 |Subject:=20espresso=20and=20coffee |Sender:=20; bh=aDK9/F6m/nzRj/FyM+xAcee01/tewDxjWQgNx/CFf6U=; b=R/mod1tuLTRoHUCKa+XIR0ZQQVXIVusGkV2iv1PK1MzcgrDCCV1yRrAFUiphu89zpxy1qhCf vAsc7oT8e7MPPr+NN/SLBoGN0bbX9v2SEC6BxbRAhfBJjYNqWt6oMeqg; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=dwing@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Subject: [69ATTENDEES] espresso and coffee X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org One of the best coffee roasters and espresso shops in the country is Intelligentsia, based in Chicago. They have two locations roughly three blocks away from the Hilton, in opposite directions: http://www.intelligentsiacoffee.com/retail/findus http://intelligentsiacoffee.com/retail/monadnock 53 West Jackson http://intelligentsiacoffee.com/retail/millennium 53 and 55 E. Randolph Further north, Metropolis is supposed to also have excellent espresso, http://www.metropoliscoffee.com/cafe/ 1039 West Granville Avenue -d _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 21 11:45:39 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICH91-0001EQ-2C; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:45:23 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICH8z-000134-54 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:45:21 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICH8y-0005nE-RJ for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:45:21 -0400 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2007 11:45:21 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAGPGoUZAZnmf/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,566,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="126663820:sNHT29048934" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6LFjKEi030656; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:45:20 -0400 Received: from [192.168.16.101] (rtp-vpn3-758.cisco.com [10.82.218.249]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6LFjJWI016418; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:45:20 GMT In-Reply-To: <011301c7cba9$33415660$c4f0200a@amer.cisco.com> References: <011301c7cba9$33415660$c4f0200a@amer.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cullen Jennings Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] espresso and coffee Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:45:13 -0500 To: Dan Wing X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=988; t=1185032720; x=1185896720; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fluffy@cisco.com; z=From:=20Cullen=20Jennings=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[69ATTENDEES]=20espresso=20and=20coffee |Sender:=20 |To:=20Dan=20Wing=20; bh=CYV+xXQs/DEbl8dqFUh1k+ojJPLh9nlfIRo6nagt8lQ=; b=iWltPOZ2A7h+H3QRxC1i1WZCfSrjF6fLBZrsZlCNRv2y+WXZDPc+KBIEIbP8Lx35x9q8cCUc iSBuQB62d+uiUsjlqHdHlVtqYLP1bQzSP8pUF3gghE7AJvfC9UBbeXip; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=fluffy@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Note that the 53 West Jackson one is open monday to friday 6:00 am to 5:30. I just had a very pleasant walk to find it close (but there was a four-bucks on the way back :-) On Jul 21, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Dan Wing wrote: > One of the best coffee roasters and espresso shops in the country is > Intelligentsia, based in Chicago. They have two locations roughly > three > blocks away from the Hilton, in opposite directions: > > http://www.intelligentsiacoffee.com/retail/findus > > http://intelligentsiacoffee.com/retail/monadnock > 53 West Jackson > > http://intelligentsiacoffee.com/retail/millennium > 53 and 55 E. Randolph > > > Further north, Metropolis is supposed to also have excellent espresso, > http://www.metropoliscoffee.com/cafe/ > 1039 West Granville Avenue > > -d > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 21 11:58:28 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICHLb-0002Uf-Eo; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:58:23 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICHLa-0002UN-Sr for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:58:22 -0400 Received: from usaga01-in.huawei.com ([206.16.17.211]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICHLa-0005zy-Ex for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:58:22 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (usaga01-in [172.18.4.6]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JLJ00K7TDP92A@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s73602 (host-64-202-138-2.getcosi.com [64.202.138.2]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JLJ00IJZDP86X@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:55:17 -0500 From: Spencer Dawkins Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Chicago Blue Line issues during 7/20-7/22 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Message-id: <006c01c7cbaf$892977a0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00b401c7caf3$c3479320$6401a8c0@KDDILAB> <46A0FF2C.6080301@pgp.com> <200707201846.l6KIkujW008358@mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com> <46A108E1.8060202@pgp.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Derek, > -derek, who should've done 5 minutes more research before posting the > first time. We don't even have expectations about that for TECHNICAL postings ;-) Spencer _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 02:15:43 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICUit-00027Z-GR; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:15:19 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICUis-00027T-Lp for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:15:18 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICUis-0001dV-4Z for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:15:18 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=chardonnay.local ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ICUip-0000dn-Ju; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:15:15 +0200 Message-ID: <46A2F5F1.60105@levkowetz.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 01:15:13 -0500 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Macintosh/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] espresso and coffee References: <011301c7cba9$33415660$c4f0200a@amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <011301c7cba9$33415660$c4f0200a@amer.cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: 69attendees@ietf.org, dwing@cisco.com, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 2007-07-21 10:09 Dan Wing said the following: > One of the best coffee roasters and espresso shops in the country is > Intelligentsia, based in Chicago. They have two locations roughly three > blocks away from the Hilton, in opposite directions: > > http://www.intelligentsiacoffee.com/retail/findus > > http://intelligentsiacoffee.com/retail/monadnock > 53 West Jackson > > http://intelligentsiacoffee.com/retail/millennium > 53 and 55 E. Randolph Yeah. I've also found Intelligentsia and Metropolis mentioned as the two espresso places of choice in Chicago. Unfortunately, when I went to 53 West Jackson around noon today, I discovered that they aren't open on weekends. So I ended up at Starbucks on State, the block opposite the Palmer House. About what you'd expect from Starbucks, Ok but not spectacular. (Don't get me wrong, it is **so** much better than what I could ever hope for this side of the Atlantic 10 years ago.) I'll head for Intelligentsia again Monday morning :-) > > Further north, Metropolis is supposed to also have excellent espresso, > http://www.metropoliscoffee.com/cafe/ > 1039 West Granville Avenue Right. But that's too far unless you're headed in that direction anyway. Henrik _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 02:17:10 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICUkg-0003nW-8i; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:17:10 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICUke-0003nJ-L7 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:17:08 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICUke-0001fd-CA for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:17:08 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=chardonnay.local ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ICUkd-0006Eb-Nd; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:17:07 +0200 Message-ID: <46A2F65B.7010502@levkowetz.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 01:16:59 -0500 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Macintosh/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cullen Jennings Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] espresso and coffee References: <011301c7cba9$33415660$c4f0200a@amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: fluffy@cisco.com, dwing@cisco.com, 69attendees@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1862590576==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1862590576== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig3A49C7034D8A77692F9F6D1A" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig3A49C7034D8A77692F9F6D1A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Cullen, On 2007-07-21 10:45 Cullen Jennings said the following: > Note that the 53 West Jackson one is open monday to friday 6:00 am =20 > to 5:30. I just had a very pleasant walk to find it close (but there =20 > was a four-bucks on the way back :-) Heh. I should have read all the posts before posting about this myself a moment ago ,;-) Henrik --------------enig3A49C7034D8A77692F9F6D1A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFGovZieVhrtTJkXCMRAh3LAKDw6SGryp8v3SVnj6MfP+tDMdcLSACg+hc8 JMFOdq9ojdJKWuzEF3WUbdU= =VVrT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig3A49C7034D8A77692F9F6D1A-- --===============1862590576== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============1862590576==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 09:11:51 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICbDl-0001SD-ED; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:11:37 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICbDk-0001S8-OH for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:11:36 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.173]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICbDk-0005KL-EB for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:11:36 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u2so2406485uge for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 06:11:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mgTPIBtpInbMj6MRQHDjmR3E5agVK2M7Uss68oFru6Gw6WsvfyiHPywLvG8kN0HCodsMyDDrQSAIA7RCzjIjHv6FbFp2lHjJYISUgphGlTQtXGRKoW0yEmwVzHiQpzvNZhWOtcUvs/9glO7tqab/QL4e4NDIbZ9iuOIqzusJvsI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=G84YZPtczzU8W1pr5LKSBVACLw+B3Lafez3857SPIVT4lDRvmx9fMuTPFXlspsvyz6gu0n/ODMwuztsuJMIloblnb1bt/BAqgn1noYdL8SS1zGaNY0+I5c8S+3IaDpZzM/lLo2MageeCsRAYWoGSTlYJtXIVMoZoess9nqba8+U= Received: by 10.67.15.17 with SMTP id s17mr3415044ugi.1185109895673; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 06:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.2.109? ( [71.201.182.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d26sm17009677nfh.2007.07.22.06.11.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 06:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46A3577F.2090709@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:11:27 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea Subject: [69ATTENDEES] CTA passes X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org If you expect to use buses or L trains all week, the best deal is probably a $20 7 day pass for the CTA system. You can get them in places like currency exchanges or Jewel Osco grocery stores. 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============1538363147==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 10:47:14 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICciF-0000ai-KV; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:47:11 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICciE-0000ac-Ew for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:47:10 -0400 Received: from coconut.itojun.org ([2001:240:501:0:204:23ff:fecb:8908]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICciE-0006y2-0S for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:47:10 -0400 Received: by coconut.itojun.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 98826233C5; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:47:06 +0900 (JST) To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Cue version 0.8 (070521-1856/itojun) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:47:06 +0900 (JST) From: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Subject: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org i had trouble signing up for in-room internet connectivity. i called the operator then connected to a kind-of-tech person. she end up subscribing me herself by asking for my 172.16.x.x address. i'm using MacOS X (10.4.10) and Safari 3 beta. itojun _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 10:58:57 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICctb-0000oR-IG; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:58:55 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICcta-0000oM-Go for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:58:54 -0400 Received: from tornado.kahlerlarson.org ([69.31.8.106] helo=mail.kahlerlarson.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICcta-0007AZ-4Q for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:58:54 -0400 Received: from zephyr.verisignlabs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kahlerlarson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76007E9A for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:58:52 -0400 From: Matt Larson To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] espresso and coffee Message-ID: <20070722145852.GC4651@zephyr.verisignlabs.com> References: <011301c7cba9$33415660$c4f0200a@amer.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <011301c7cba9$33415660$c4f0200a@amer.cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sat, 21 Jul 2007, Dan Wing wrote: > One of the best coffee roasters and espresso shops in the country is > Intelligentsia, based in Chicago. They have two locations roughly three > blocks away from the Hilton, in opposite directions: > > http://www.intelligentsiacoffee.com/retail/findus > > http://intelligentsiacoffee.com/retail/monadnock > 53 West Jackson > > http://intelligentsiacoffee.com/retail/millennium > 53 and 55 E. Randolph I can confirm that the Randolph Street location is open on Sunday, having just come from there. I had an outstanding latte and even the blueberry scone was unsually good. It's an easy walk: go north/left on Wabash (the street with the El tracks adjacent to the hotel) three blocks to Randolph, then turn east/right. It's on the south/right side of the street. 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Kucherawy" X-X-Sender: msk@lab.smi.sendmail.com To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Message-ID: <20070722075929.Q46128@lab.smi.sendmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: > i had trouble signing up for in-room internet connectivity. i called > the operator then connected to a kind-of-tech person. she end up > subscribing me herself by asking for my 172.16.x.x address. So you got DHCP but no connectivity? Weird. Works fine for me (Dell laptop, FreeBSD 4, Mozilla 1.7, ssh, gaim, etc. etc.). _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 11:00:32 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICcv9-0003Aq-KJ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:00:31 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICcv7-0003Ai-TQ for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:00:29 -0400 Received: from mail1.asahi-net.or.jp ([202.224.39.197] helo=mail.asahi-net.or.jp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICcv5-0007EF-Pg for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:00:29 -0400 Received: from [130.129.23.43] (dhcp-172b.ietf69.org [130.129.23.43]) by mail.asahi-net.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674C24C7B0; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:00:25 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kobayashi Katsushi Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:00:19 -0500 To: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I met a similar trouble in my wired room access, and was asked IP address. The same system configuration is used. BTW, Before trying in room access, my machine associated "free" WIFI access point. After few hours, the AP rejected my access. -- Katsushi Kobayashi On 2007/07/22, at 9:47, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: > i had trouble signing up for in-room internet connectivity. i called > the operator then connected to a kind-of-tech person. she end up > subscribing me herself by asking for my 172.16.x.x address. > > i'm using MacOS X (10.4.10) and Safari 3 beta. > > itojun > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 11:02:13 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICcwn-0004hm-1K; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:02:13 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICcwl-0004Zv-PF for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:02:11 -0400 Received: from coconut.itojun.org ([2001:240:501:0:204:23ff:fecb:8908]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICcwl-0007I5-Bz for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:02:11 -0400 Received: by coconut.itojun.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id AE084233C5; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:02:09 +0900 (JST) To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:59:44 -0700 (PDT)" <20070722075929.Q46128@lab.smi.sendmail.com> References: <20070722075929.Q46128@lab.smi.sendmail.com> X-Mailer: Cue version 0.8 (070521-1856/itojun) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20070722150209.AE084233C5@coconut.itojun.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:02:09 +0900 (JST) From: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org > > i had trouble signing up for in-room internet connectivity. i called > > the operator then connected to a kind-of-tech person. she end up > > subscribing me herself by asking for my 172.16.x.x address. > > So you got DHCP but no connectivity? Weird. yes, DHCPv4 worked ok but there seem to be some issue with http cookie or something, i guess. itojun _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 11:04:09 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICcye-0006nP-LL; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:04:08 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICcyd-0006nG-AB for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:04:07 -0400 Received: from drew.ipv6.franken.de ([2001:638:a02:a001:20e:cff:fe4a:feaa] helo=mail-n.franken.de) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICcyc-0007LT-H7 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:04:07 -0400 Received: from [67.97.210.134] (unknown [67.97.210.134]) by mail-n.franken.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FD2801AC16; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:04:04 +0200 (CEST) (KNF-authenticated sender: macmic) In-Reply-To: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Tuexen Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:04:04 +0200 To: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I had the same problem. Using Firefox for signing up worked. So it seems to be a problem with the beta version of Safari... Best regards Michael On Jul 22, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: > i had trouble signing up for in-room internet connectivity. i called > the operator then connected to a kind-of-tech person. she end up > subscribing me herself by asking for my 172.16.x.x address. > > i'm using MacOS X (10.4.10) and Safari 3 beta. > > itojun > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 11:37:04 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICdUT-0006qp-Cr; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:37:01 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICdUR-0006qR-H0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:36:59 -0400 Received: from mail5.primus.ca ([216.254.141.172] helo=mail-02.primus.ca) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICdUQ-0004R3-WD for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:36:59 -0400 Received: from dhcp-11b8.ietf69.org ([130.129.17.184]) by mail-02.primus.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ICdUP-00045h-1P; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:36:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Philip Matthews Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:36:49 -0500 To: Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Authenticated: philip_matthews - dhcp-11b8.ietf69.org [130.129.17.184] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org It worked for me (using Safari 2.0.4) after I learned that the room number had to be entered without a "-" (that as, just run all the digits together). - Philip On 22-Jul-07, at 10:04 , Michael Tuexen wrote: > I had the same problem. Using Firefox for signing up worked. So > it seems to be a problem with the beta version of Safari... > > Best regards > Michael > > On Jul 22, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: > >> i had trouble signing up for in-room internet connectivity. i >> called >> the operator then connected to a kind-of-tech person. she end up >> subscribing me herself by asking for my 172.16.x.x address. >> >> i'm using MacOS X (10.4.10) and Safari 3 beta. >> >> itojun >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >> > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 11:39:28 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICdWq-000778-1h; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:39:28 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICdWo-000773-T0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:39:27 -0400 Received: from mail.consulintel.es ([213.172.48.142] helo=consulintel.es) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICdWn-0004TT-WF for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:39:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1185122183; x=1185726983; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Mime-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=WuSGaP03F+EMYv 5xR51waizAjFi8I1fBUJt3lrqyMUHzHP12mrWXVBruMlRSWZwTJanuoPvlvc+D02 az/A7X8UFhWausejz34NzuewpenI5L2+3FZ6zEKqsTtJdOhSPRAopO3ySi606aSV MqmdZZQd1ZTNYdLTehfkT10cxdv8g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=OZYN0d8oqXJeNE/Xq8LZj1cmeK/AudLUdHC9nOxz2GVCo2cgeGdu31HtrqDtzH5Bi6by/ldHCdSCsFsoURl3wBTpanqRuohQzp5xOyg3BoiF6oCK6HQiXbNixZc2z502aeNEG+vLUcUnMtp3uervp/Fkgc/+ydjI+JjE8dMjhsk=; Received: from [130.129.83.252] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002588828.msg for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:36:21 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:39:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Thread-Index: AcfMdnS7s0LS2ThpEdyBWwAX8sYbNQ== In-Reply-To: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:070722:69attendees@ietf.org::aQZ/QB08PHgw+Xon:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000023Fy X-MDRemoteIP: 130.129.83.252 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on mail.consulintel.es X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=4.5 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:36:22 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:36:23 +0200 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I got a similar issue using Mac with Safari. It seems a log-on problem, used Firefox and then everything worked. Regards, Jordi > De: Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino > Responder a: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > Fecha: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:47:06 +0900 (JST) > Para: <69attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity > > i had trouble signing up for in-room internet connectivity. i called > the operator then connected to a kind-of-tech person. she end up > subscribing me herself by asking for my 172.16.x.x address. > > i'm using MacOS X (10.4.10) and Safari 3 beta. > > itojun > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 11:47:20 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICdeN-0005Ud-EO; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:47:15 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICdeL-0005UX-RP for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:47:13 -0400 Received: from [2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe77:96e] (helo=owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICdeK-00082m-A0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:47:13 -0400 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6MFj3mP001429; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:45:03 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (oldlogin.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe23:58df]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6MFiXpA008582; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:44:33 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) id l6MFiXW3014899; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:44:33 +0100 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:44:33 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: Philip Matthews Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Message-ID: <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Null-Tag: f9f7a613546b127d130cc29b5d7c0769 X-Null-Tag: 7592cc9201c078b84028e7ba5d32c503 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I think that was just luck; I have used my room number with a - each time, sometimes it works (after a while), sometimes it doesn't. Maybe IETF pushes the limits of the hotel's system more than a typical set of conference visitors... tim On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 10:36:49AM -0500, Philip Matthews wrote: > It worked for me (using Safari 2.0.4) after I learned that the room > number > had to be entered without a "-" (that as, just run all the digits > together). > - Philip > > On 22-Jul-07, at 10:04 , Michael Tuexen wrote: > > >I had the same problem. Using Firefox for signing up worked. So > >it seems to be a problem with the beta version of Safari... > > > >Best regards > >Michael > > > >On Jul 22, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: > > > >> i had trouble signing up for in-room internet connectivity. i > >>called > >> the operator then connected to a kind-of-tech person. she end up > >> subscribing me herself by asking for my 172.16.x.x address. > >> > >> i'm using MacOS X (10.4.10) and Safari 3 beta. > >> > >>itojun > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>69ATTENDEES mailing list > >>69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >69ATTENDEES mailing list > >69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees -- Tim _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 12:04:46 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICdvG-0004j4-Uq; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:04:42 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICdvF-0004W2-2M for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:04:41 -0400 Received: from hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net ([216.37.94.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICdvE-0004tp-Kz for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:04:40 -0400 Received: (qmail 442 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 2007 15:57:02 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 436, pid: 438, t: 0.8198s scanners: clamav: 0.90.2/m: spam: 3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.2 required=6.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_99 autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from unknown (HELO Beowulf) (arnoud@greengiraffe.nl@67.97.210.2) by hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net with ESMTPA; 22 Jul 2007 15:57:01 -0000 From: "Arnoud van Wijk" To: "'Tim Chown'" , "'Philip Matthews'" References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:04:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfMd6qt4qij+ri1QzCajYQ/yDFoCQAAil1Q Content-Language: en-us X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd26b070c2577ac175cd3a6d878c6248 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I hope that we will get a connection to the IETF network.. Any idea when that happens? Arnoud A. T. van Wijk AnnieS http://www.annies.nl/content/inEnglish/home.asp Mobile textphone (SIP): arnoud.vanwijk@annies.nl > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Chown [mailto:tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk] > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:45 AM > To: Philip Matthews > Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity > > I think that was just luck; I have used my room number with a - each > time, sometimes it works (after a while), sometimes it doesn't. > > Maybe IETF pushes the limits of the hotel's system more than a typical > set of conference visitors... > > tim > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 10:36:49AM -0500, Philip Matthews wrote: > > It worked for me (using Safari 2.0.4) after I learned that the room > > number > > had to be entered without a "-" (that as, just run all the digits > > together). > > - Philip > > > > On 22-Jul-07, at 10:04 , Michael Tuexen wrote: > > > > >I had the same problem. Using Firefox for signing up worked. So > > >it seems to be a problem with the beta version of Safari... > > > > > >Best regards > > >Michael > > > > > >On Jul 22, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: > > > > > >> i had trouble signing up for in-room internet connectivity. i > > >>called > > >> the operator then connected to a kind-of-tech person. she end up > > >> subscribing me herself by asking for my 172.16.x.x address. > > >> > > >> i'm using MacOS X (10.4.10) and Safari 3 beta. > > >> > > >>itojun > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>69ATTENDEES mailing list > > >>69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > > >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > >> > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >69ATTENDEES mailing list > > >69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > > >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > -- > Tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 12:06:31 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICdx1-0006Hb-9W; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:06:31 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICdwz-0006HT-PL for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:06:29 -0400 Received: from monster.hopcount.ca ([199.212.90.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICdwz-0008KM-Ge for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:06:29 -0400 Received: from [130.129.84.128] by monster.hopcount.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ICdzN-0006QD-SF; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:08:58 +0000 In-Reply-To: <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <62B73427-871C-4730-A705-82F6F2FEE884@ca.afilias.info> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:06:20 -0500 To: Arnoud van Wijk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 22-Jul-2007, at 11:04, Arnoud van Wijk wrote: > I hope that we will get a connection to the IETF network.. > Any idea when that happens? The IETF wireless nets seem to be working fine for me. They were working fine in the lobby last night, too. Joe _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 12:11:32 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICe1p-0001Sl-Cp; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:11:29 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICe1o-0001Sg-MU for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:11:28 -0400 Received: from [2001:470:117:128:209:5bff:fe8c:8515] (helo=uillean.fuaim.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICe1n-0008O8-Vk for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:11:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.fuaim.com [127.0.0.1]) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2526B833; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (uillean.fuaim.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28242-02-34; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:117:128:209:5bff:fe8e:6dd3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76E3B82E; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.35.253] (dhcp-23fd.ietf69.org [130.129.35.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by clairseach.fuaim.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l6MG3H4a005016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:03:18 -0700 In-Reply-To: <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: From: Jim Martin Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:11:18 -0500 To: "Arnoud van Wijk" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 225414c974e0d6437992164e91287a51 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0103813245==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============0103813245== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-40-655048861; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-40-655048861 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The current plan has the guest room network staying under the control of Hilton. They've got a dedicated DS3 (45 megabit) link just for the guest rooms. However, we're consulting with the in-house staff to see if we can help them tune their system to better handle the IETF crowd. The main IETF network is looking good and we're doing the last of the AP deployment as we get access to the various rooms and spaces throughout the hotel. - Jim On Jul 22, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Arnoud van Wijk wrote: > > I hope that we will get a connection to the IETF network.. > Any idea when that happens? > > Arnoud A. T. van Wijk > AnnieS > http://www.annies.nl/content/inEnglish/home.asp > Mobile textphone (SIP): arnoud.vanwijk@annies.nl > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tim Chown [mailto:tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk] >> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:45 AM >> To: Philip Matthews >> Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity >> >> I think that was just luck; I have used my room number with a - each >> time, sometimes it works (after a while), sometimes it doesn't. >> >> Maybe IETF pushes the limits of the hotel's system more than a >> typical >> set of conference visitors... >> >> tim >> >> On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 10:36:49AM -0500, Philip Matthews wrote: >>> It worked for me (using Safari 2.0.4) after I learned that the room >>> number >>> had to be entered without a "-" (that as, just run all the digits >>> together). >>> - Philip >>> >>> On 22-Jul-07, at 10:04 , Michael Tuexen wrote: >>> >>>> I had the same problem. Using Firefox for signing up worked. 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============0103813245==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 12:25:15 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICeF6-00041s-27; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:25:12 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICeF4-00041g-B5 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:25:10 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICeF2-00007B-Fc for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:25:10 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4032B198680; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:25:07 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94972198667; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:25:06 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <46A384D5.8000004@piuha.net> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:24:53 -0500 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f60d0f7806b0c40781eee6b9cd0b2135 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I have been using the same equipment (Firefox, Linux) all the time, but it sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. Log-in indeed requires you to enter the room number without the dash. When you do this once it seems to work well for the next 24 hours. The technical problem that I sometimes run into when you have to log-in is that the web page redirection puts me on a page that their server claims does not exist. And it takes a while for the server respond, too. Retrying did not help; but a little bit later it worked again. Jari JORDI PALET MARTINEZ kirjoitti: > I got a similar issue using Mac with Safari. It seems a log-on problem, used > Firefox and then everything worked. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > > >> De: Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino >> Responder a: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> >> Fecha: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:47:06 +0900 (JST) >> Para: <69attendees@ietf.org> >> Asunto: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity >> >> i had trouble signing up for in-room internet connectivity. i called >> the operator then connected to a kind-of-tech person. she end up >> subscribing me herself by asking for my 172.16.x.x address. >> >> i'm using MacOS X (10.4.10) and Safari 3 beta. >> >> itojun >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >> > > > > > ********************************************** > The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > > Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! > http://www.ipv6day.org > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 12:53:32 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICegT-00029Z-1V; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:53:29 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICegR-00029U-NJ for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:53:27 -0400 Received: from mercury.witopia.net ([38.119.112.177]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICegR-0005hN-6h for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:53:27 -0400 Received: from Beowulf (vpn-cust-104-1-218.witopia.net [10.104.1.218]) by mercury.witopia.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CE03AC30; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:53:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Arnoud van Wijk" To: "'Jim Martin'" References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:53:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c7cc80$cdce0660$696a1320$@nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfMevmopgidtyYvSrOQT4CjNNqgagABXsdw Content-Language: en-us X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 093efd19b5f651b2707595638f6c4003 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hmmmm I discovered that the lovely Hilton checks all smtp through their own smtp gateway and kills all messages with pdf in it :-( I tried any wifi, but on the 10th floor I detect nothing at all. Do you plan to offer all rooms IETF wifi connectivity or just enough APs for conference floors and rooms that are lucking to be in range of the APs? cheers Arnoud A. T. van Wijk AnnieS http://www.annies.nl/content/inEnglish/home.asp Mobile textphone (SIP): arnoud.vanwijk@annies.nl > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Martin [mailto:jim@daedelus.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 11:11 AM > To: Arnoud van Wijk > Cc: 'Tim Chown'; 'Philip Matthews'; 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity > > The current plan has the guest room network staying under the > control of Hilton. They've got a dedicated DS3 (45 megabit) link just > for the guest rooms. However, we're consulting with the in-house > staff to see if we can help them tune their system to better handle > the IETF crowd. > > The main IETF network is looking good and we're doing the last of > the AP deployment as we get access to the various rooms and spaces > throughout the hotel. > > - Jim > > On Jul 22, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Arnoud van Wijk wrote: > > > > > I hope that we will get a connection to the IETF network.. > > Any idea when that happens? > > > > Arnoud A. T. van Wijk > > AnnieS > > http://www.annies.nl/content/inEnglish/home.asp > > Mobile textphone (SIP): arnoud.vanwijk@annies.nl > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Tim Chown [mailto:tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk] > >> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:45 AM > >> To: Philip Matthews > >> Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity > >> > >> I think that was just luck; I have used my room number with a - each > >> time, sometimes it works (after a while), sometimes it doesn't. > >> > >> Maybe IETF pushes the limits of the hotel's system more than a > >> typical > >> set of conference visitors... > >> > >> tim > >> > >> On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 10:36:49AM -0500, Philip Matthews wrote: > >>> It worked for me (using Safari 2.0.4) after I learned that the > room > >>> number > >>> had to be entered without a "-" (that as, just run all the digits > >>> together). > >>> - Philip > >>> > >>> On 22-Jul-07, at 10:04 , Michael Tuexen wrote: > >>> > >>>> I had the same problem. Using Firefox for signing up worked. So > >>>> it seems to be a problem with the beta version of Safari... > >>>> > >>>> Best regards > >>>> Michael > >>>> > >>>> On Jul 22, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> i had trouble signing up for in-room internet connectivity. > i > >>>>> called > >>>>> the operator then connected to a kind-of-tech person. she > end up > >>>>> subscribing me herself by asking for my 172.16.x.x address. > >>>>> > >>>>> i'm using MacOS X (10.4.10) and Safari 3 beta. > >>>>> > >>>>> itojun > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> 69ATTENDEES mailing list > >>>>> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > >>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> 69ATTENDEES mailing list > >>>> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > >>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> 69ATTENDEES mailing list > >>> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > >> > >> -- > >> Tim > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 69ATTENDEES mailing list > >> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 13:04:18 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICeqq-00036j-MS; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:04:12 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICeqo-00036W-QY for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:04:10 -0400 Received: from [2001:470:117:128:209:5bff:fe8c:8515] (helo=uillean.fuaim.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICeqn-0000y2-VN for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:04:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.fuaim.com [127.0.0.1]) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A792B837; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (uillean.fuaim.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28501-02-32; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:117:128:209:5bff:fe8e:6dd3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B01B82E; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.102.250] ([130.129.102.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by clairseach.fuaim.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l6MGtx4a005145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:56:00 -0700 In-Reply-To: <000501c7cc80$cdce0660$696a1320$@nl> References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> <000501c7cc80$cdce0660$696a1320$@nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <664F18A6-8FB9-4D71-99AE-B83AA87BE0B7@daedelus.com> From: Jim Martin Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:04:02 -0500 To: "Arnoud van Wijk" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 8b6657e60309a1317174c9db2ae5f227 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1036342956==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1036342956== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-41-658212401; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-41-658212401 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The IETF meeting network will cover the meeting and public spaces on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th floors. It also will cover the lobby, the executive lounge on the 23rd floor, and the Big Downtown restaurant on the lower level. To do that has involved deploying nearly 100 APs. - Jim On Jul 22, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Arnoud van Wijk wrote: > Hmmmm > I discovered that the lovely Hilton checks all smtp through their > own smtp > gateway and kills all messages with pdf in it :-( > I tried any wifi, but on the 10th floor I detect nothing at all. > Do you plan to offer all rooms IETF wifi connectivity or just > enough APs for > conference floors and rooms that are lucking to be in range of the > APs? > > cheers > > Arnoud A. T. van Wijk > AnnieS > http://www.annies.nl/content/inEnglish/home.asp > Mobile textphone (SIP): arnoud.vanwijk@annies.nl > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Martin [mailto:jim@daedelus.com] >> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 11:11 AM >> To: Arnoud van Wijk >> Cc: 'Tim Chown'; 'Philip Matthews'; 69attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity >> >> The current plan has the guest room network staying under the >> control of Hilton. They've got a dedicated DS3 (45 megabit) link just >> for the guest rooms. However, we're consulting with the in-house >> staff to see if we can help them tune their system to better handle >> the IETF crowd. >> >> The main IETF network is looking good and we're doing the last of >> the AP deployment as we get access to the various rooms and spaces >> throughout the hotel. >> >> - Jim >> >> On Jul 22, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Arnoud van Wijk wrote: >> >>> >>> I hope that we will get a connection to the IETF network.. >>> Any idea when that happens? >>> >>> Arnoud A. T. van Wijk >>> AnnieS >>> http://www.annies.nl/content/inEnglish/home.asp >>> Mobile textphone (SIP): arnoud.vanwijk@annies.nl >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Tim Chown [mailto:tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk] >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:45 AM >>>> To: Philip Matthews >>>> Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity >>>> >>>> I think that was just luck; I have used my room number with a - >>>> each >>>> time, sometimes it works (after a while), sometimes it doesn't. >>>> >>>> Maybe IETF pushes the limits of the hotel's system more than a >>>> typical >>>> set of conference visitors... >>>> >>>> tim >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 10:36:49AM -0500, Philip Matthews wrote: >>>>> It worked for me (using Safari 2.0.4) after I learned that the >> room >>>>> number >>>>> had to be entered without a "-" (that as, just run all the digits >>>>> together). >>>>> - Philip >>>>> >>>>> On 22-Jul-07, at 10:04 , Michael Tuexen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I had the same problem. Using Firefox for signing up worked. So >>>>>> it seems to be a problem with the beta version of Safari... >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards >>>>>> Michael >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 22, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> i had trouble signing up for in-room internet connectivity. >> i >>>>>>> called >>>>>>> the operator then connected to a kind-of-tech person. she >> end up >>>>>>> subscribing me herself by asking for my 172.16.x.x address. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i'm using MacOS X (10.4.10) and Safari 3 beta. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> itojun >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >>>>>>> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >>>>>> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >>>>> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >>>> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >>> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > --Apple-Mail-41-658212401 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============1036342956==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 13:20:43 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICf6m-0007Hd-Ak; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:20:40 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICf6l-0007HY-2P for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:20:39 -0400 Received: from [2001:470:117:128:209:5bff:fe8c:8515] (helo=uillean.fuaim.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICf6k-0001ID-GV for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:20:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.fuaim.com [127.0.0.1]) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD29B85D; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (uillean.fuaim.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28501-02-63; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:117:128:209:5bff:fe8e:6dd3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C17EB859; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.102.250] ([130.129.102.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by clairseach.fuaim.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l6MHCV4a005205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:12:32 -0700 In-Reply-To: <664F18A6-8FB9-4D71-99AE-B83AA87BE0B7@daedelus.com> References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> <000501c7cc80$cdce0660$696a1320$@nl> <664F18A6-8FB9-4D71-99AE-B83AA87BE0B7@daedelus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <203893ED-CE34-4A2C-801A-62F2E6E188BB@daedelus.com> From: Jim Martin Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:20:34 -0500 To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 944ecb6e61f753561f559a497458fb4f Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1045016314==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1045016314== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-43-659204740; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-43-659204740 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-42-659204633 --Apple-Mail-42-659204633 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Sorry, I should have included the 6th floor in that list. - Jim On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Jim Martin wrote: > The IETF meeting network will cover the meeting and public spaces > on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th floors. It also will cover the lobby, the > executive lounge on the 23rd floor, and the Big Downtown restaurant > on the lower level. To do that has involved deploying nearly 100 APs. > > - Jim --Apple-Mail-42-659204633 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry, I should have included the = 6th floor in that list.=A0

- = Jim

On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Jim Martin = wrote:

The IETF = meeting network will cover the meeting and public spaces on the 3rd, = 4th, and 5th floors. It also will cover the lobby, the executive lounge = on the 23rd floor, and the Big Downtown restaurant on the lower level. = To do that has involved deploying nearly 100 APs.


= - Jim


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Malis" Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity In-Reply-To: <203893ED-CE34-4A2C-801A-62F2E6E188BB@daedelus.com> References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> <000501c7cc80$cdce0660$696a1320$@nl> <664F18A6-8FB9-4D71-99AE-B83AA87BE0B7@daedelus.com> <203893ED-CE34-4A2C-801A-62F2E6E188BB@daedelus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0536856452==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Message-Id: --===============0536856452== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_21947734==.ALT" --=====================_21947734==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Are there any printers set up yet? If so, where are they? Thanks, Andy At 7/22/2007 12:20 PM -0500, Jim Martin wrote: >Sorry, I should have included the 6th floor in that list. > >- Jim > >On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Jim Martin wrote: > >>The IETF meeting network will cover the meeting and public spaces on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th floors. It also will cover the lobby, the executive lounge on the 23rd floor, and the Big Downtown restaurant on the lower level. To do that has involved deploying nearly 100 APs. >> >> >>- Jim --=====================_21947734==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Are there any printers set up yet?  If so, where are they?

Thanks,
Andy

At 7/22/2007 12:20 PM -0500, Jim Martin wrote:
Sorry, I should have included the 6th floor in that list.

- Jim

On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Jim Martin wrote:

The IETF meeting network will cover the meeting and public spaces on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th floors. It also will cover the lobby, the executive lounge on the 23rd floor, and the Big Downtown restaurant on the lower level. To do that has involved deploying nearly 100 APs.


- Jim Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgh8-0005Mo-8I; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:02:18 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgh7-0005Mj-Ct for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:02:17 -0400 Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.203.46]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgh7-0008Po-0c for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:02:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 65693 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2007 19:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO AMALIS.verizon.net) (agmalis@verizon.net@130.129.101.127 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2007 19:02:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: khavyrUVM1nU7jAWBk6tVcUzeAVNrdFvGhKbZgAveALEr.lZTo5_Vavg47g5iPr.txMNyL1FQQ-- X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:02:12 -0400 To: Jim Martin From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity In-Reply-To: <203893ED-CE34-4A2C-801A-62F2E6E188BB@daedelus.com> References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> <000501c7cc80$cdce0660$696a1320$@nl> <664F18A6-8FB9-4D71-99AE-B83AA87BE0B7@daedelus.com> <203893ED-CE34-4A2C-801A-62F2E6E188BB@daedelus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0536856452==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Message-Id: --===============0536856452== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_21947734==.ALT" --=====================_21947734==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Are there any printers set up yet? If so, where are they? Thanks, Andy At 7/22/2007 12:20 PM -0500, Jim Martin wrote: >Sorry, I should have included the 6th floor in that list. > >- Jim > >On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Jim Martin wrote: > >>The IETF meeting network will cover the meeting and public spaces on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th floors. It also will cover the lobby, the executive lounge on the 23rd floor, and the Big Downtown restaurant on the lower level. To do that has involved deploying nearly 100 APs. >> >> >>- Jim --=====================_21947734==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Are there any printers set up yet?  If so, where are they?

Thanks,
Andy

At 7/22/2007 12:20 PM -0500, Jim Martin wrote:
Sorry, I should have included the 6th floor in that list.

- Jim

On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Jim Martin wrote:

The IETF meeting network will cover the meeting and public spaces on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th floors. It also will cover the lobby, the executive lounge on the 23rd floor, and the Big Downtown restaurant on the lower level. To do that has involved deploying nearly 100 APs.


- Jim
--=====================_21947734==.ALT-- --===============0536856452== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============0536856452==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 15:02:21 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICghA-0005N2-JL; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:02:20 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgh9-0005Mx-3u for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:02:19 -0400 Received: from resnick1.qualcomm.com ([216.43.25.66] helo=episteme-software.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgh8-0008Pr-IU for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:02:18 -0400 Received: from [216.43.25.67] (127.0.0.1) by episteme-software.com with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.1); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:02:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: resnick@resnick1.qualcomm.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000501c7cc80$cdce0660$696a1320$@nl> References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> <000501c7cc80$cdce0660$696a1320$@nl> X-Mailer: Eudora [Macintosh version 6.3a0] Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:02:10 -0500 To: "Arnoud van Wijk" From: Pete Resnick Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 7/22/07 at 11:53 AM -0500, Arnoud van Wijk wrote: >I discovered that the lovely Hilton checks all smtp through their >own smtp gateway and kills all messages with pdf in it :-( Use of port 587 routes quite handily around this "damage". pr -- Pete Resnick QUALCOMM Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees nt>
--=====================_21947734==.ALT-- --===============0536856452== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============0536856452==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 15:02:21 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICghA-0005N2-JL; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:02:20 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgh9-0005Mx-3u for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:02:19 -0400 Received: from resnick1.qualcomm.com ([216.43.25.66] helo=episteme-software.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgh8-0008Pr-IU for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:02:18 -0400 Received: from [216.43.25.67] (127.0.0.1) by episteme-software.com with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.1); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:02:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: resnick@resnick1.qualcomm.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000501c7cc80$cdce0660$696a1320$@nl> References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> <000501c7cc80$cdce0660$696a1320$@nl> X-Mailer: Eudora [Macintosh version 6.3a0] Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:02:10 -0500 To: "Arnoud van Wijk" From: Pete Resnick Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 7/22/07 at 11:53 AM -0500, Arnoud van Wijk wrote: >I discovered that the lovely Hilton checks all smtp through their >own smtp gateway and kills all messages with pdf in it :-( Use of port 587 routes quite handily around this "damage". pr -- Pete Resnick QUALCOMM Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 15:05:38 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgkK-0000IU-Ue; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:05:36 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgkK-0000IO-3v for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:05:36 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgkJ-0008TN-Nu for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:05:36 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.4] (dhcp-11b4.ietf69.org [130.129.17.180]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l6MJ5XRb036967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:05:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <203893ED-CE34-4A2C-801A-62F2E6E188BB@daedelus.com> References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> <000501c7cc80$cdce0660$696a1320$@nl> <664F18A6-8FB9-4D71-99AE-B83AA87BE0B7@daedelus.com> <203893ED-CE34-4A2C-801A-62F2E6E188BB@daedelus.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:31:22 -0500 To: 69attendees@ietf.org From: Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org At 12:20 PM -0500 7/22/07, Jim Martin wrote: > Sorry, I should have included the 6th floor in that list. >On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Jim Martin wrote: > >> The IETF meeting network will cover the meeting and public >>spaces on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th floors. It also will cover the >>lobby, the executive lounge on the 23rd floor, and the Big Downtown >>restaurant on the lower level. To do that has involved deploying >>nearly 100 APs. FWIW, I am on an outside-facing room on the 17th floor and I have weak-but-usable connectivity through the IETF wireless. Well, it is some access point that has "ietf" as the SSID, so I guess it is associated with the IETF in some way. :-) --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 15:10:30 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgp3-0003s9-ET; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:10:29 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgp1-0003s3-D4 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:10:27 -0400 Received: from mailhub2.dartmouth.edu ([129.170.17.107]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgp1-00005j-0m for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:10:27 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([129.170.87.243]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailhub2.dartmouth.edu (8.13.5/DND2.0/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l6MJAIWi004116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:10:21 -0400 Message-ID: <46A3AB99.2050708@Dartmouth.EDU> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:10:17 -0400 From: Scott Rea User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> <000501c7cc80$cdce0660$696a1320$@nl> <664F18A6-8FB9-4D71-99AE-B83AA87BE0B7@daedelus.com> <203893ED-CE34-4A2C-801A-62F2E6E188BB@daedelus.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean by mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU X-MailScanner-From: scott.rea@dartmouth.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Is there a set of published "official" SSIDs from IETF here in Chicago? How can we determine who is a valid AP & who is MITM-ling us? Regards, -Scott Paul Hoffman wrote: > At 12:20 PM -0500 7/22/07, Jim Martin wrote: >> Sorry, I should have included the 6th floor in that list. >> On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Jim Martin wrote: >> >>> The IETF meeting network will cover the meeting and public >>> spaces on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th floors. It also will cover the >>> lobby, the executive lounge on the 23rd floor, and the Big Downtown >>> restaurant on the lower level. To do that has involved deploying >>> nearly 100 APs. > > FWIW, I am on an outside-facing room on the 17th floor and I have > weak-but-usable connectivity through the IETF wireless. Well, it is > some access point that has "ietf" as the SSID, so I guess it is > associated with the IETF in some way. :-) > > --Paul Hoffman, Director > --VPN Consortium > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 15:21:27 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgzZ-0003QI-Go; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:21:21 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgzY-0003QC-V0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:21:21 -0400 Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.203.45]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgzY-0000Ga-I5 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:21:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 15960 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2007 19:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO AMALIS.verizon.net) (agmalis@verizon.net@130.129.101.127 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2007 19:21:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vF5xhPoVM1mkN9Wm8oPkJT9Xu38pVdEoxeGPPIomAwccwo7FzwBlNqrRRbmk3BOPT28fEppnwzza4aacblOBg4A8DbIXE3Sutt_pMRkYfSSVZtMcTb0- X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:21:15 -0400 To: Scott Rea From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity In-Reply-To: <46A3AB99.2050708@Dartmouth.EDU> References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> <000501c7cc80$cdce0660$696a1320$@nl> <664F18A6-8FB9-4D71-99AE-B83AA87BE0B7@daedelus.com> <203893ED-CE34-4A2C-801A-62F2E6E188BB@daedelus.com> <46A3AB99.2050708@Dartmouth.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Message-Id: Scott, I can see ietf, ietf.1x, ietf-a, and ietf-a.1x. I saved my profiles from the last meeting, so I just edited the SSID to get rid of the "68" and my profile for ietf-a.1x worked fine. I like this choice of SSIDs, since they'll presumably now be invariant from meeting to meeting. Cheers, Andy At 7/22/2007 03:10 PM -0400, Scott Rea wrote: >Is there a set of published "official" SSIDs from IETF here in Chicago? >How can we determine who is a valid AP & who is MITM-ling us? > >Regards, >-Scott > >Paul Hoffman wrote: >>At 12:20 PM -0500 7/22/07, Jim Martin wrote: >>> Sorry, I should have included the 6th floor in that list. >>>On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Jim Martin wrote: >>> >>>> The IETF meeting network will cover the meeting and public spaces on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th floors. It also will cover the lobby, the executive lounge on the 23rd floor, and the Big Downtown restaurant on the lower level. To do that has involved deploying nearly 100 APs. >> >>FWIW, I am on an outside-facing room on the 17th floor and I have weak-but-usable connectivity through the IETF wireless. Well, it is some access point that has "ietf" as the SSID, so I guess it is associated with the IETF in some way. :-) >> >>--Paul Hoffman, Director >>--VPN Consortium >> >>_______________________________________________ >>69ATTENDEES mailing list >>69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > >_______________________________________________ >69ATTENDEES mailing list >69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 15:44:50 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IChMD-0006zf-Ld; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:44:45 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IChMC-0006zV-1m for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:44:44 -0400 Received: from makin.witopia.net ([38.119.112.170]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IChMB-0000jm-J1 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:44:43 -0400 Received: from Beowulf (vpn-cust-100-2-10.witopia.net [10.100.2.10]) by makin.witopia.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0752A4737A; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:44:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Arnoud van Wijk" To: "'Andrew G. Malis'" , "'Scott Rea'" References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> <000501c7cc80$cdce0660$696a1320$@nl> <664F18A6-8FB9-4D71-99AE-B83AA87BE0B7@daedelus.com> <203893ED-CE34-4A2C-801A-62F2E6E188BB@daedelus.com> <46A3AB99.2050708@Dartmouth.EDU> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:44:33 -0500 Message-ID: <002401c7cc98$baa836b0$2ff8a410$@nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfMlY/p+Vgtew2ZRe+fqKn71543NAAAquQA Content-Language: nl X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10ba05e7e8a9aa6adb025f426bef3a30 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hmm I have right now a good wifi connection from an AP called sipcommunicator. ??? Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : hilton.com Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.54.102 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.54.1 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 216.140.16.254 216.140.17.254 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : zondag 22 juli 2007 14:30:27 Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : maandag 23 juli 2007 14:30:27 Does anybody know more about this one? No IETF ssids seen here sadly. Arnoud A. T. van Wijk AnnieS http://www.annies.nl/content/inEnglish/home.asp Mobile textphone (SIP): arnoud.vanwijk@annies.nl > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:amalis@gmail.com] > Sent: zondag 22 juli 2007 14:21 > To: Scott Rea > Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity > > Scott, > > I can see ietf, ietf.1x, ietf-a, and ietf-a.1x. I saved my profiles > from the last meeting, so I just edited the SSID to get rid of the "68" > and my profile for ietf-a.1x worked fine. I like this choice of SSIDs, > since they'll presumably now be invariant from meeting to meeting. > > Cheers, > Andy > > At 7/22/2007 03:10 PM -0400, Scott Rea wrote: > >Is there a set of published "official" SSIDs from IETF here in > Chicago? > >How can we determine who is a valid AP & who is MITM-ling us? > > > >Regards, > >-Scott > > > >Paul Hoffman wrote: > >>At 12:20 PM -0500 7/22/07, Jim Martin wrote: > >>> Sorry, I should have included the 6th floor in that list. > >>>On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Jim Martin wrote: > >>> > >>>> The IETF meeting network will cover the meeting and public > spaces on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th floors. It also will cover the lobby, > the executive lounge on the 23rd floor, and the Big Downtown restaurant > on the lower level. To do that has involved deploying nearly 100 APs. > >> > >>FWIW, I am on an outside-facing room on the 17th floor and I have > weak-but-usable connectivity through the IETF wireless. Well, it is > some access point that has "ietf" as the SSID, so I guess it is > associated with the IETF in some way. :-) > >> > >>--Paul Hoffman, Director > >>--VPN Consortium > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>69ATTENDEES mailing list > >>69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > >_______________________________________________ > >69ATTENDEES mailing list > >69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 16:52:59 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICiQ8-0003GC-Bx; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:52:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICiQ6-0003G7-OH for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:52:50 -0400 Received: from sequoia.muada.com ([83.149.65.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICiQ5-0004nl-7J for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:52:50 -0400 Received: from [130.129.18.177] (dhcp-12b1.ietf69.org [130.129.18.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6MKnX2M021794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:49:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1BFEC579-C05C-4038-B978-8657AF01B8A6@muada.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: 69attendees@ietf.org From: Iljitsch van Beijnum Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:51:26 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=3.5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on sequoia.muada.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Social and wg session times X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org According to http://www.motorola.com/content.jsp?globalObjectId=8269 the social event starts at 1900 on tuesday while there are 5 wg sessions from 1850 until 1950... Advice for those of us who want to attend one of these sessions as well as the social? Iljitsch PS. iChat/XMPP URL shortcut to jabber rooms page is still up: http:// www.bgpexpert.com/ietfjabber.php _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 17:19:51 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICiq9-0007z6-Vd; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:19:45 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICiq6-0007z1-NC for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:19:42 -0400 Received: from ns1.nict.go.jp ([133.243.3.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICiq4-00055q-Sr for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:19:42 -0400 Received: from gw1.nict.go.jp (gw1.nict.go.jp [133.243.18.250]) by ns1.nict.go.jp with ESMTP id l6MLFsRw025897 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 06:15:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from gw1.nict.go.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw1.nict.go.jp with ESMTP id l6MLFs5W021351 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 06:15:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail1.nict.go.jp (mail.nict.go.jp [133.243.18.3]) by gw1.nict.go.jp with ESMTP id l6MLFs3T021348 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 06:15:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail1.nict.go.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.nict.go.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5C44274 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 06:15:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kaflenote2 (ssh.nict.go.jp [133.243.3.49]) by mail1.nict.go.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649034271 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 06:15:51 +0900 (JST) From: "Ved Kafle" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 06:15:47 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcfMpXiRDMPM8HBGQ5WDbSLNGrps9w== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Message-Id: <20070722211551.649034271@mail1.nict.go.jp> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Subject: [69ATTENDEES] State Ballroom too cold X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I have no idea how others are feeling about the State Ballroom temperature today. But I feel here very cold. Almost freezing .... Ved Kafle _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 17:21:47 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICis6-0000sL-Sb; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:21:46 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICis5-0000lK-KP for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:21:45 -0400 Received: from deimos.multihop.net ([74.0.36.190] helo=multihop.net) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICis5-0002Re-9r for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:21:45 -0400 Received: by deimos.multihop.net (Postfix, from userid 1013) id 249488ABA81; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:21:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on deimos.multihop.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Received: from [67.97.211.48] (unknown [67.97.211.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by deimos.multihop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE9A8AB9DD; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46A3CA65.9020606@kniveton.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:21:41 -0500 From: "T.J. Kniveton" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ved Kafle Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] State Ballroom too cold References: <20070722211551.649034271@mail1.nict.go.jp> In-Reply-To: <20070722211551.649034271@mail1.nict.go.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ved Kafle wrote: > I have no idea how others are feeling about the State Ballroom temperature > today. > But I feel here very cold. Almost freezing .... > It's probably going to get a LOT warmer in about 40 minutes when it fills up with hundreds of people.. TJ _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 17:24:17 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICiuX-0003Uw-2o; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:24:17 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICiuW-0003Ur-4j for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:24:16 -0400 Received: from [2001:418:1:0:230:48ff:fe82:537e] (helo=nagasaki.bogus.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICiuV-00058l-MU for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:24:16 -0400 Received: from [130.129.82.129] ([130.129.82.129]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6MLO6Yp040647; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:24:06 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <46A3CAF5.9010603@bogus.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:24:05 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Rea Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> <000501c7cc80$cdce0660$696a1320$@nl> <664F18A6-8FB9-4D71-99AE-B83AA87BE0B7@daedelus.com> <203893ED-CE34-4A2C-801A-62F2E6E188BB@daedelus.com> <46A3AB99.2050708@Dartmouth.EDU> In-Reply-To: <46A3AB99.2050708@Dartmouth.EDU> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.90.2/3730/Sun Jul 22 19:08:03 2007 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Scott Rea wrote: > Is there a set of published "official" SSIDs from IETF here in Chicago? > How can we determine who is a valid AP & who is MITM-ling us? We've decided to use "free-public-wifi" as the ssid for this meeting... Ok not really. Realistically knowing the ssid's in use isn't going to protect you from mitm attacks. The ssid's are: ietf ietf-a ietf.1x ietf.1x-a you can authenticate to the 1x ssids using the username and password combination ietf ietf. Strong encryption is recommended regards of which ssid you choose to associate with. joelja > Regards, > -Scott > > Paul Hoffman wrote: >> At 12:20 PM -0500 7/22/07, Jim Martin wrote: >>> Sorry, I should have included the 6th floor in that list. >>> On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Jim Martin wrote: >>> >>>> The IETF meeting network will cover the meeting and public >>>> spaces on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th floors. It also will cover the >>>> lobby, the executive lounge on the 23rd floor, and the Big Downtown >>>> restaurant on the lower level. To do that has involved deploying >>>> nearly 100 APs. >> >> FWIW, I am on an outside-facing room on the 17th floor and I have >> weak-but-usable connectivity through the IETF wireless. Well, it is >> some access point that has "ietf" as the SSID, so I guess it is >> associated with the IETF in some way. :-) >> >> --Paul Hoffman, Director >> --VPN Consortium >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 17:34:14 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICj48-0004LV-Kb; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:34:12 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICj47-0004LO-Or for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:34:11 -0400 Received: from hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net ([216.37.94.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICj47-0002p1-Ch for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:34:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 25603 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 2007 21:26:37 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 25598, pid: 25599, t: 0.6539s scanners: clamav: 0.90.2/m: spam: 3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net X-Spam-Level: ***** X-Spam-Status: No, score=5.9 required=6.5 tests=BAYES_80,FH_MSGID_01C67, FM_VIAGRA_SPAM1114,RDNS_NONE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from unknown (HELO Beowulf) (67.97.210.2) by hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net with SMTP; 22 Jul 2007 21:26:37 -0000 From: "Arnoud van Wijk" To: "'Ved Kafle'" , <69attendees@ietf.org> References: <20070722211551.649034271@mail1.nict.go.jp> In-Reply-To: <20070722211551.649034271@mail1.nict.go.jp> Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] State Ballroom too cold Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:34:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c7cca8$0626b300$12741900$@nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfMpXiRDMPM8HBGQ5WDbSLNGrps9wAAnTBA Content-Language: nl X-Spam-Score: 2.7 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org *gasp* was it a ballroom? I was under the impression it was a walk-in freezer. Arnoud A. T. van Wijk AnnieS http://www.annies.nl/content/inEnglish/home.asp Mobile textphone (SIP): arnoud.vanwijk@annies.nl > -----Original Message----- > From: Ved Kafle [mailto:kafle@nict.go.jp] > Sent: zondag 22 juli 2007 16:16 > To: 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [69ATTENDEES] State Ballroom too cold > > I have no idea how others are feeling about the State Ballroom > temperature > today. > But I feel here very cold. Almost freezing .... > > Ved Kafle > > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 17:39:02 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICj8n-0007oj-Pt; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:39:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICj8n-0007oG-0y for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:39:01 -0400 Received: from verilan.com ([70.103.134.18] helo=mail.verilan.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICj8l-0005WZ-NG for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:39:01 -0400 Received: from [130.129.102.125] (unknown [130.129.102.125]) by mail.verilan.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8909F1836B29 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: 69attendees@ietf.org Message-Id: <99D2205E-0C42-4A6A-9069-C33F62AFDAE1@verilan.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-674640417 From: Morgan Sackett Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:37:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3b8eea209b62bd15620865bc4fbef8cd Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Network and Terminal Room Information X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org --Apple-Mail-2-674640417 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Network and Terminal Room Information IETF 69 =96 Chicago, IL USA Terminal Room The Terminal Room is located in Salon 7-9 on the 3rd floor of the =20 Palmer House Hilton and is open 24 hours a day beginning at 4pm on Sunday, July 22nd and ending at 12 noon on =20 Friday, July 27th. A help desk is being provided and will be manned from 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM every day. The room =20 itself consists of approximately 90 seats providing wired 10/100 Ethernet access and 120v North American power =20 ports. There are also two duplex color printers available. Please note that this terminal room has, in fact, =20= no terminals, PCs or other user-accessible machines. It is simply a place to get power, wired Internet access, =20 color printers or help desk support. When using the Ethernet connections in the Terminal Room, IPv4 =20 addressing is provided via DHCP. Please use Dynamic Auto-configuration for IPv6. Network Basics The IETF 69 network connects to the Internet via a 100Mb Ethernet =20 link with a backup DS3. The entire event is addressed out of the 130.129.0.0/16 block for IPv4 and 2001:df8::/32 =20 for IPv6. IPv6 is being provided via I2 through WiscNet. Wireless An 802.11 a/b/g wireless network is being provided liberally in the =20 Palmer House Hilton. The areas being specifically covered are the meeting rooms and hallways in the =20 conference area, the Big Downtown restaurant, 23rd floor executive lounge, bar and lobby. To use this network, associate with the beaconed SSID of "ietf" for =20 802.11a/b/g and "ietf-a" for 802.11a. IPv4 addressing is provided via DHCP. IPv6 clients should use Dynamic =20 Auto-configuration. Due to bandwidth concerns IP multicast is not available on this network. For those interested in more link-layer security, a WPA SSID with =20 802.1x is available. The SSIDs are "ietf.1x" and "ietf-a.1x". Do not use WPA-PSK as that will not work. To use 802.1x: 1. Associate to SSID: ietf.1x OR ietf-a.1x 2. Use PEAP/MSCHAPv2 3. Do Not Verify Server Cert and we won't verify yours :) 4. Username (case sensitive): ietf 5. Password (case sensitive): ietf The proper operation of the wireless network requires the assistance =20 of all users. One of the most significant issues with wireless performance in past IETF meetings has been =20 wireless clients automatically, or accidentally initiating "ad-hoc" networks that act as the official IETF wireless =20 network, causing other users to associate with false IETF wireless networks. Therefore, please disable your =20 client's ability to create an ad-hoc network and as well as the ability to automatically join an ad-hoc network. If you =20 are using Windows XP or Mac OS X 10.4 to manage your wireless client, the instructions to disable creation of =20 ad-hoc networks are listed below. If you are using other systems, please do whatever your particular wireless =20 client management system requires to turn off ad-hoc networks. Instructions for Mac OS X Open System Preferences -> Network -> Airport -> Options and un-=20 check the box for "Create Computer-to- Computer networks". Instructions for Windows XP Open Properties -> wireless networks -> advanced and then select =20 "access point (infrastructure) networks only" and unselect "automatically connect to non-preferred networks". Printing Two printers are located in the Terminal Room and are available to =20 all IETF users. The printers themselves are Xerox 8550dp which are Postscript capable and have the duplex option =20 installed. The printers are accessible via LPD, Bonjour, standard TCP/IP on port 9100. Printer host names are =20 printer1.ietf69.org and printer2.ietf69.org. Services The following network services are provided: =95 SMTP =96 smtp.ietf69.org SMTP relay services are provided for users on the IETF network. =95 NTP - ntp.ietf69.org Stratum 2 time service is provided via IPv4 unicast. These services are being provided from both of the following servers: 130.129.5.6 (IPv4) or 2001:df8:0:5::6/64 (IPv6) 130.129.5.7 (IPv4) or 2001:df8:0:5::7/64 (IPv6) Additionally, full recursive DNS service is being provided from =20 130.129.5.6 and 130.129.5.7. Our domain name is ietf69.org. Thanks The terminal room and IETF network are made possible by the generous =20 contributions by a number of companies and by the tireless efforts of our volunteer team. If you see any of =20 these people in the halls, please be sure to thank them for all their work! Host: Motorola Contributors: University of Wisconsin Cisco Systems Juniper Networks Volunteers: Chris Elliot Bill Fenner Joel Jaeggli Bill Jensen Lucy Lynch Jim Martin Karen O'Donoghue Staff: Rick Alfvin Todd Hutchinson Les LaPhilliph Morgan Sackett Steven Schroedl Aron Silverton Noah Weis ------------------------------------------------------- --Apple-Mail-2-674640417 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; x-unix-mode=0644; x-mac-hide-extension=yes; name=IETF69Network.txt Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=IETF69Network.txt Network and Terminal Room Information IETF 69 =D0 Chicago, IL USA Terminal Room The Terminal Room is located in Salon 7-9 on the 3rd floor of the Palmer = House Hilton and is open 24 hours a day=20 beginning at 4pm on Sunday, July 22nd and ending at 12 noon on Friday, = July 27th. A help desk is being provided=20 and will be manned from 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM every day. The room itself = consists of approximately 90 seats=20 providing wired 10/100 Ethernet access and 120v North American power = ports. There are also two duplex color=20 printers available. Please note that this terminal room has, in fact, no = terminals, PCs or other user-accessible=20 machines. It is simply a place to get power, wired Internet access, = color printers or help desk support. When using the Ethernet connections in the Terminal Room, IPv4 = addressing is provided via DHCP. Please use=20 Dynamic Auto-configuration for IPv6.=20 Network Basics The IETF 69 network connects to the Internet via a 100Mb Ethernet link = with a backup DS3. The entire event is=20 addressed out of the 130.129.0.0/16 block for IPv4 and 2001:df8::/32 for = IPv6. IPv6 is being provided via I2=20 through WiscNet.=20 Wireless An 802.11 a/b/g wireless network is being provided liberally in the = Palmer House Hilton. The areas being=20 specifically covered are the meeting rooms and hallways in the = conference area, the Big Downtown restaurant,=20 23rd floor executive lounge, bar and lobby. To use this network, associate with the beaconed SSID of "ietf" for = 802.11a/b/g and "ietf-a" for 802.11a. IPv4=20 addressing is provided via DHCP. IPv6 clients should use Dynamic = Auto-configuration. Due to bandwidth=20 concerns IP multicast is not available on this network.=20 For those interested in more link-layer security, a WPA SSID with 802.1x = is available. The SSIDs are "ietf.1x"=20 and "ietf-a.1x". Do not use WPA-PSK as that will not work. To use 802.1x: 1. Associate to SSID: ietf.1x OR ietf-a.1x 2. Use PEAP/MSCHAPv2 3. Do Not Verify Server Cert and we won't verify yours :) 4. Username (case sensitive): ietf 5. Password (case sensitive): ietf The proper operation of the wireless network requires the assistance of = all users. One of the most significant=20 issues with wireless performance in past IETF meetings has been wireless = clients automatically, or accidentally=20 initiating "ad-hoc" networks that act as the official IETF wireless = network, causing other users to associate with=20 false IETF wireless networks. Therefore, please disable your client's = ability to create an ad-hoc network and as=20 well as the ability to automatically join an ad-hoc network. If you are = using Windows XP or Mac OS X 10.4 to=20 manage your wireless client, the instructions to disable creation of = ad-hoc networks are listed below. If you are=20 using other systems, please do whatever your particular wireless client = management system requires to turn off=20 ad-hoc networks. Instructions for Mac OS X Open System Preferences -> Network -> Airport -> Options and un-check = the box for "Create Computer-to- Computer networks". Instructions for Windows XP Open Properties -> wireless networks -> advanced and then select = "access point (infrastructure) networks only"=20 and unselect "automatically connect to non-preferred networks". Printing Two printers are located in the Terminal Room and are available to all = IETF users. The printers themselves are=20 Xerox 8550dp which are Postscript capable and have the duplex option = installed. The printers are accessible via=20 LPD, Bonjour, standard TCP/IP on port 9100. Printer host names are = printer1.ietf69.org and printer2.ietf69.org. Services The following network services are provided: =A5 SMTP =D0 smtp.ietf69.org SMTP relay services are provided for users on the IETF network. =A5 NTP - ntp.ietf69.org Stratum 2 time service is provided via IPv4 unicast. These services are being provided from both of the following servers: 130.129.5.6 (IPv4) or 2001:df8:0:5::6/64 (IPv6) 130.129.5.7 (IPv4) or 2001:df8:0:5::7/64 (IPv6) Additionally, full recursive DNS service is being provided from = 130.129.5.6 and 130.129.5.7. Our domain name=20 is ietf69.org. Thanks The terminal room and IETF network are made possible by the generous = contributions by a number of companies=20 and by the tireless efforts of our volunteer team. If you see any of = these people in the halls, please be sure to thank=20 them for all their work! 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If you received this message in error, please delete it immediately. --Apple-Mail-2-674640417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --Apple-Mail-2-674640417-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 18:12:10 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICjen-0008Nj-P9; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:12:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICjel-0008Mz-N8 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:12:03 -0400 Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca ([206.123.31.2]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICjek-0005t7-GB for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:12:03 -0400 Received: from [130.129.22.222] (dhcp-16de.ietf69.org [130.129.22.222]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33AE929E138F for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <13775707-D24C-4E73-A7AB-5BA98EEBDB95@nokia.com> References: <13775707-D24C-4E73-A7AB-5BA98EEBDB95@nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marc Blanchet Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:12:02 -0500 To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] restaurants tried so far X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, arrived thrusday with family(my children like pizza, oh well...). some of the restaurants we tried. used hotel concierge for advice, and they were always very friendly and helpful. Concierge have a list of restaurants with directions. - tamarind: asian (japan,vietnam, china), modern, very good, not too pricy. we want to go back! - rosebud theater district: italian, large plates: might want to share, pretty good. was pretty quiet saturday evening. - pizano's: pizza, chicago style, good. - giordano's: pizza, chicago style (stuffed), good. - corner bakery: just out of the hotel. convenient! Marc. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 19:08:34 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICkXP-0003dM-UB; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:08:31 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICkXO-0003dG-Km for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:08:30 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.173] helo=mgw-ext14.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICkXN-00070N-51 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:08:30 -0400 Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext14.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l6MN8Qmd014799 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:08:27 +0300 Received: from esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.33]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:08:25 +0300 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:08:25 +0300 Received: from mgw-int01.ntc.nokia.com ([172.21.143.96]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:08:25 +0300 Received: from [130.129.17.56] (daec-linuxvpn058154.americas.nokia.com [10.241.58.154]) by mgw-int01.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l6MN8NqN019045 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:08:23 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bob Hinden Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:08:32 -0500 To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2007 23:08:25.0387 (UTC) FILETIME=[3502C7B0:01C7CCB5] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Recommendations for Pizza and Hot Dogs places? X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bob.hinden@nokia.com List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Anyone have recommendations on the best places for Chicago style pizza and hot dogs? No, not pizza's with hot dogs in them, pizza places and hot dog places :-) For example, I know that Uno's has turned into a chain, but don't know the current state of Pizzeria Due. Thanks, Bob _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 19:16:44 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICkfH-0002Jo-TU; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:16:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICkfG-0002Jj-3O for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:16:38 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.180]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICkfF-00078k-Fi for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:16:37 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f31so4919849pyh for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:16:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=M7EntOknlYEPfFvBdIrhqiMX2lH6BraA8N8CTISsHkJh5RuacM8/A/XyA98/mlv9D2cB3JiOMSI49VSNmtG0z4cOC2hSYT4RrW+Tp5J8PHZ/FslTp/QFnMoyT48Nvvw+zO0/cEkC3UUHXZXoBBoXAwVV6dOq/WdfnUGXzRKj7DE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ky81tm8Pg7I0FqkS+l7a7aTsBuyZvafW6oYVzP5/BpiimtJ6OZj9lQ3bed8J03BH8z9O3YINoF4z2ElojcrlJwKPWDDpHX+I6l6NJi2KD7Qij6PEkTzoFBsJ4dq5XbIOo9BBDD3KxnWhpi8kNcVJ8704Je1v/WuZVe+91CXA2XU= Received: by 10.35.98.6 with SMTP id a6mr4923205pym.1185146197129; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.28.17 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:16:37 -0700 From: "Clint Chaplin" To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Recommendations for Pizza and Hot Dogs places? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org When I was here two years ago, some of us went to a pizza place that was located in a plaza that was below street level. Unfortunately, I didn't pay, or else I'd have the name of the place.... On 7/22/07, Bob Hinden wrote: > Anyone have recommendations on the best places for Chicago style > pizza and hot dogs? No, not pizza's with hot dogs in them, pizza > places and hot dog places :-) > > For example, I know that Uno's has turned into a chain, but don't > know the current state of Pizzeria Due. > > Thanks, > Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > -- Clint (JOATMON) Chaplin Principal Engineer Corporate Standardization (US) SISA _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 19:21:39 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICkk3-0005ku-Sc; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:21:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICkk2-0005ko-Bg for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:21:34 -0400 Received: from smtpa.juniper.net ([207.17.137.120]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICkk1-0007CP-Tk for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:21:34 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO gamma.jnpr.net) ([172.24.245.25]) by smtpa.juniper.net with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2007 16:21:34 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,569,1175497200"; d="scan'208"; a="41782198:sNHT35754644" Received: from emailcorp2.jnpr.net ([66.129.254.12]) by gamma.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:21:33 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7235.2 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Recommendations for Pizza and Hot Dogs places? 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(jordi.palet@consulintel.es@67.97.210.2) by hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net with ESMTPA; 22 Jul 2007 23:43:27 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:50:54 -0500 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Immigration issues in US Thread-Index: AcfMuyQaYmh9mDiuEdyBWwAX8sYbNQ== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I've talked with a few people during the welcome reception and got the feeling that several had been under the same situation with the immigration when arriving to US this time. It seems that the controls are going worst and actually getting really annoying. I was stuck in 4 different controls, taking me more than 4 hours since the flight landed until being able to come to the hotel. Note that I'm a regular visitor to US for different kind of meetings, in fact I've been here already 3 times this year, so I don't think there is any valid reason to become suddenly a "suspicious subject" and having to pass all those extra controls at least not in a so slow process. If this is the situation we are going to have in the next meetings and this is happening to more and more people as I've been told today, definitively, US *MUST* be excluded for any next meetings, as this is totally unacceptable. I will like to know how many folks have been this time under this situation. Regards, Jordi _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 19:57:08 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClIR-0001Hr-H7; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:57:07 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClIP-00015U-GM for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:57:05 -0400 Received: from hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net ([216.37.94.58]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClIO-0007ic-4S for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:57:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 25098 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 2007 23:49:30 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 25078, pid: 25093, t: 1.4582s scanners: clamav: 0.90.2/m: spam: 3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.2 required=6.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_99 autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.28.171.237?) (jordi.palet@consulintel.es@67.97.210.2) by hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net with ESMTPA; 22 Jul 2007 23:49:28 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:56:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Network and Terminal Room Information From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Network and Terminal Room Information Thread-Index: AcfMu/vfOluM6jivEdyBWwAX8sYbNQ== In-Reply-To: <99D2205E-0C42-4A6A-9069-C33F62AFDAE1@verilan.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b8f3559805f7873076212d6f63ee803e X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I guess that > Services > The following network services are provided: > =80 SMTP =AD smtp.ietf69.org > SMTP relay services are provided for users on the IETF network. > =80 NTP - ntp.ietf69.org > Stratum 2 time service is provided via IPv4 unicast. >=20 >=20 > These services are being provided from both of the following servers: > 130.129.5.6 (IPv4) or 2001:df8:0:5::6/64 (IPv6) > 130.129.5.7 (IPv4) or 2001:df8:0:5::7/64 (IPv6) for IPv6, the servers are /128, not /64 ? Regards, Jordi > De: Morgan Sackett > Responder a: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > Fecha: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:37:50 -0500 > Para: <69attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: [69ATTENDEES] Network and Terminal Room Information >=20 > Network and Terminal Room Information > IETF 69 =AD Chicago, IL USA >=20 > Terminal Room > The Terminal Room is located in Salon 7-9 on the 3rd floor of the > Palmer House Hilton and is open 24 hours a day > beginning at 4pm on Sunday, July 22nd and ending at 12 noon on > Friday, July 27th. A help desk is being provided > and will be manned from 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM every day. The room > itself consists of approximately 90 seats > providing wired 10/100 Ethernet access and 120v North American power > ports. There are also two duplex color > printers available. Please note that this terminal room has, in fact, > no terminals, PCs or other user-accessible > machines. It is simply a place to get power, wired Internet access, > color printers or help desk support. >=20 > When using the Ethernet connections in the Terminal Room, IPv4 > addressing is provided via DHCP. Please use > Dynamic Auto-configuration for IPv6. >=20 > Network Basics > The IETF 69 network connects to the Internet via a 100Mb Ethernet > link with a backup DS3. The entire event is > addressed out of the 130.129.0.0/16 block for IPv4 and 2001:df8::/32 > for IPv6. IPv6 is being provided via I2 > through WiscNet. >=20 > Wireless > An 802.11 a/b/g wireless network is being provided liberally in the > Palmer House Hilton. The areas being > specifically covered are the meeting rooms and hallways in the > conference area, the Big Downtown restaurant, > 23rd floor executive lounge, bar and lobby. >=20 > To use this network, associate with the beaconed SSID of "ietf" for > 802.11a/b/g and "ietf-a" for 802.11a. IPv4 > addressing is provided via DHCP. IPv6 clients should use Dynamic > Auto-configuration. Due to bandwidth > concerns IP multicast is not available on this network. >=20 > For those interested in more link-layer security, a WPA SSID with > 802.1x is available. The SSIDs are "ietf.1x" > and "ietf-a.1x". Do not use WPA-PSK as that will not work. >=20 > To use 802.1x: > 1. Associate to SSID: ietf.1x OR ietf-a.1x > 2. Use PEAP/MSCHAPv2 > 3. Do Not Verify Server Cert and we won't verify yours :) > 4. Username (case sensitive): ietf > 5. Password (case sensitive): ietf >=20 > The proper operation of the wireless network requires the assistance > of all users. One of the most significant > issues with wireless performance in past IETF meetings has been > wireless clients automatically, or accidentally > initiating "ad-hoc" networks that act as the official IETF wireless > network, causing other users to associate with > false IETF wireless networks. 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============1325195438==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 20:06:23 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClRM-0000Eg-LP; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:06:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClRL-0000Ea-AP for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:06:19 -0400 Received: from coconut.itojun.org ([2001:240:501:0:204:23ff:fecb:8908]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClRK-0007r0-Sw for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:06:19 -0400 Received: by coconut.itojun.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 35145233CB; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:06:17 +0900 (JST) To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:50:54 -0500" References: X-Mailer: Cue version 0.8 (070521-1856/itojun) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20070723000617.35145233CB@coconut.itojun.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:06:17 +0900 (JST) From: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org > Hi all, > > I've talked with a few people during the welcome reception and got the > feeling that several had been under the same situation with the immigration > when arriving to US this time. > > It seems that the controls are going worst and actually getting really > annoying. I was stuck in 4 different controls, taking me more than 4 hours > since the flight landed until being able to come to the hotel. and fingerprinting and mugshot... (unfortunately Japan will start the same thing in Nov 2007) itojun _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 20:09:44 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClUd-0001YT-MK; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:09:43 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClUc-0001YN-PY for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:09:42 -0400 Received: from coconut.itojun.org ([2001:240:501:0:204:23ff:fecb:8908]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClUc-0007tf-6U for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:09:42 -0400 Received: by coconut.itojun.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id CAC68233D1; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:09:40 +0900 (JST) To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Recommendations for Pizza and Hot Dogs places? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:20:59 -0700" <5C46C0918C867B4090C18D62C83563B80390502F@emailcorp2.jnpr.net> References: <5C46C0918C867B4090C18D62C83563B80390502F@emailcorp2.jnpr.net> X-Mailer: Cue version 0.8 (070521-1856/itojun) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20070723000940.CAC68233D1@coconut.itojun.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:09:40 +0900 (JST) From: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org > Pizanos pizza > 61 E Madison uno chicago grill http://www.unos.com/ itojun _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 20:10:50 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClVh-0003pj-OR; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:10:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClVh-0003no-7r for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:10:49 -0400 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClVg-0007uq-HS for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:10:49 -0400 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id DEFF020756; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:10:47 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-b067fbb0000007e1-a3-46a3f2078983 Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.121]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id C99BB20587; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:10:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw113.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.200.4]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:10:47 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Social and wg session times Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:10:31 +0200 Message-ID: <7374777208BDC7449D5620EF9423256707479CED@esealmw113.eemea.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <1BFEC579-C05C-4038-B978-8657AF01B8A6@muada.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Social and wg session times Thread-Index: AcfMok9P7+Jx25uYQ5y9lIlQPxBgbAAG3y4g References: <1BFEC579-C05C-4038-B978-8657AF01B8A6@muada.com> From: "Christer Holmberg (JO/LMF)" To: "Iljitsch van Beijnum" , <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2007 00:10:47.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB496710:01C7CCBD] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Go to the social event after the wg session ends...=20 Regards, Christer > -----Original Message----- > From: Iljitsch van Beijnum [mailto:iljitsch@muada.com]=20 > Sent: 22. hein=E4kuuta 2007 23:51 > To: 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Social and wg session times >=20 > According to http://www.motorola.com/content.jsp?globalObjectId=3D8269 > the social event starts at 1900 on tuesday while there are 5=20 > wg sessions from 1850 until 1950... >=20 > Advice for those of us who want to attend one of these=20 > sessions as well as the social? >=20 > Iljitsch >=20 > PS. iChat/XMPP URL shortcut to jabber rooms page is still up:=20 > http:// www.bgpexpert.com/ietfjabber.php >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >=20 _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 20:10:52 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClVk-0003wL-E4; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:10:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClVj-0003uj-Du for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:10:51 -0400 Received: from coconut.itojun.org ([2001:240:501:0:204:23ff:fecb:8908]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClVj-0007ux-0V for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:10:51 -0400 Received: by coconut.itojun.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 862CA233D0; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:10:49 +0900 (JST) To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] restaurants tried so far In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:12:02 -0500" References: X-Mailer: Cue version 0.8 (070521-1856/itojun) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20070723001049.862CA233D0@coconut.itojun.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:10:49 +0900 (JST) From: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org > Hi, > arrived thrusday with family(my children like pizza, oh well...). > some of the restaurants we tried. used hotel concierge for advice, > and they were always very friendly and helpful. Concierge have a list > of restaurants with directions. > - tamarind: asian (japan,vietnam, china), modern, very good, not too > pricy. we want to go back! for those people who have trouble with sugar: you have to tell them not to use sugar for their chinese dishes. itojun _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 20:20:23 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClet-00023l-TZ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:20:19 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICles-00020g-SQ for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:20:18 -0400 Received: from io.pinknet.cz ([212.67.68.138]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICler-000830-Dm for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:20:18 -0400 Received: from MICHALVAIO (dhcp-1511.ietf69.org [130.129.21.17]) by io.pinknet.cz (Postfix) with SMTP id 6779D1D5D; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:20:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <016201c7ccbf$3e394930$11158182@w2lan.cesnet.cz> From: "Michal Krsek" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> References: Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:20:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi Jordi, > It seems that the controls are going worst and actually getting really > annoying. I was stuck in 4 different controls, taking me more than 4 hours > since the flight landed until being able to come to the hotel. seems strange for me. I've entered US in Atlanta and have to say I've got only two questions: a) Trip purpose b) Length of the stay Passed all the queues in about 20 minutes (including 15 minutes of waiting for my luggage). This has to be shortest immigration pass in my history (last time I've spent about 20 minutes talking to immigration officer about my t-shirt - there has been USS Missouri on it and he has been on board during WW 2nd). > If this is the situation we are going to have in the next meetings and > this > is happening to more and more people as I've been told today, > definitively, > US *MUST* be excluded for any next meetings, as this is totally > unacceptable. I'm not ure if IETF/ISOC has so much power to talk to TSA nor DHS. I have to say that if immigration control will go same way for a while, I'll not be asked about anything during my next visit :-) Regards Michal P.S: BTW I'd like to see IETF meeting in Spain - would you like act as local volunteer? _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 20:27:20 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IClle-0000Ek-9G; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:27:18 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICllc-0000EX-HN for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:27:16 -0400 Received: from smtp01.bis.na.blackberry.com ([216.9.248.48]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICllc-00086v-4o for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:27:16 -0400 X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 377022688 Message-ID: <377022688-1185150429-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1987678207-@bxe009.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1BFEC579-C05C-4038-B978-8657AF01B8A6@muada.com> In-Reply-To: <1BFEC579-C05C-4038-B978-8657AF01B8A6@muada.com> Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: "Iljitsch van Beijnum" , 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social and wg session times From: rpelletier@isoc.org Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:24:50 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Social is going untill 11pm just a few blocks from the HOB. Plenty of drinks, food and jazz to go. Ray Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Iljitsch van Beijnum Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:51:26 To:69attendees@ietf.org Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Social and wg session times According to http://www.motorola.com/content.jsp?globalObjectId=8269 the social event starts at 1900 on tuesday while there are 5 wg sessions from 1850 until 1950... Advice for those of us who want to attend one of these sessions as well as the social? Iljitsch PS. iChat/XMPP URL shortcut to jabber rooms page is still up: http:// www.bgpexpert.com/ietfjabber.php _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 20:46:47 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICm4U-0008FA-By; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:46:46 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICm4S-0008F5-BN for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:46:44 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICm4R-0006Ap-T8 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:46:44 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2007 02:46:43 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAACaXo0aQ/uCKh2dsb2JhbACPWgEBCQon X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,569,1175464800"; d="scan'208"; a="148700593:sNHT38063992" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6N0kgCF006594; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:46:42 +0200 Received: from xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-331.cisco.com [144.254.231.71]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6N0kgkt002897; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:46:42 GMT Received: from xmb-ams-33c.emea.cisco.com ([144.254.231.91]) by xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:46:42 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:46:39 +0200 Message-ID: <70672088D7D2CE409FB05DDD7B73D3813B4F66@xmb-ams-33c.emea.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Thread-Index: AcfMuyQaYmh9mDiuEdyBWwAX8sYbNQAB6Z9Q From: "Gunter Van de Velde \(gvandeve\)" To: "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" , <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2007 00:46:42.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFF597C0:01C7CCC2] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1545; t=1185151602; x=1186015602; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=gvandeve@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Gunter=20Van=20de=20Velde=20\(gvandeve\)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[69ATTENDEES]=20Immigration=20issues=20in=20US |Sender:=20; bh=otxIqtYH4PI5ucgLbz8/M0QIUMm1UFOzFFdsCu03hFM=; b=cQ8tTt1x3CO87mWlYDfMRq9Dym/XZr/hmEw3xq7dk+T+3gMSv1uBUA/yAzSi4LWsPSjGKwsL vZaXb07dtFZuUDUiiesBv7HwJo5cAD63u17eZGXW401mXFPE0Vqd2iiq; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=gvandeve@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I just had to suffer a queue of 30 minutes... That was it, hence not too bad this time.=20 For the rest all went quite reasonable. G/=20 -----Original Message----- From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ [mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es]=20 Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 1:51 AM To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Hi all, I've talked with a few people during the welcome reception and got the feeling that several had been under the same situation with the immigration when arriving to US this time. It seems that the controls are going worst and actually getting really annoying. I was stuck in 4 different controls, taking me more than 4 hours since the flight landed until being able to come to the hotel. Note that I'm a regular visitor to US for different kind of meetings, in fact I've been here already 3 times this year, so I don't think there is any valid reason to become suddenly a "suspicious subject" and having to pass all those extra controls at least not in a so slow process. If this is the situation we are going to have in the next meetings and this is happening to more and more people as I've been told today, definitively, US *MUST* be excluded for any next meetings, as this is totally unacceptable. I will like to know how many folks have been this time under this situation. Regards, Jordi _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 20:50:18 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICm7u-0001xa-4y; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:50:18 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICm7t-0001xV-7m for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:50:17 -0400 Received: from michael.checkpoint.com ([194.29.32.68]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICm7s-0000FW-H2 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:50:17 -0400 Received: from [172.31.21.180] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by michael.checkpoint.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l6N0oBn4005929; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 03:50:13 +0300 (IDT) In-Reply-To: <016201c7ccbf$3e394930$11158182@w2lan.cesnet.cz> References: <016201c7ccbf$3e394930$11158182@w2lan.cesnet.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Yoav Nir Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:50:08 -0500 To: 69attendees@ietf.org, Michal Krsek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8a67952aa972b528dd04570d58ad8fe Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org The IETF can't tell the TSA or DHS what to do, but it can decide to hold its meetings elsewhere. US immigration is sometimes quick (I've passed it in 10 minutes in DC two years ago) and sometimes slow, but it's always more intrusive than practically any other country. The problem is that I think a majority of the attendees live and work in the US, so always holding it in Europe is not the answer either, although you and I would have liked that. I guess that's why a lot of meetings happen in Canada: close to the US for the US people, but you can skip US immigration with a direct flight. On Jul 22, 2007, at 7:20 PM, Michal Krsek wrote: > Hi Jordi, > >> It seems that the controls are going worst and actually getting >> really >> annoying. I was stuck in 4 different controls, taking me more than >> 4 hours >> since the flight landed until being able to come to the hotel. > > seems strange for me. I've entered US in Atlanta and have to say > I've got only two questions: > > a) Trip purpose > b) Length of the stay > > Passed all the queues in about 20 minutes (including 15 minutes of > waiting for my luggage). > > This has to be shortest immigration pass in my history (last time > I've spent about 20 minutes talking to immigration officer about my > t-shirt - there has been USS Missouri on it and he has been on > board during WW 2nd). > >> If this is the situation we are going to have in the next meetings >> and this >> is happening to more and more people as I've been told today, >> definitively, >> US *MUST* be excluded for any next meetings, as this is totally >> unacceptable. > > I'm not ure if IETF/ISOC has so much power to talk to TSA nor DHS. > > I have to say that if immigration control will go same way for a > while, I'll not be asked about anything during my next visit :-) > > Regards > Michal > > P.S: BTW I'd like to see IETF meeting in Spain - would you like act > as local volunteer? > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 21:03:38 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICmKl-0001rT-Hq; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:03:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICmKk-0001qL-Iy for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:03:34 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com ([72.14.204.225]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICmKk-0000Oa-4D for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:03:34 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id o21so1340341qba for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:03:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZNVIWpCR5Wa3xZdf9PHxuX26i92tfeZAcgv2mV2VIpL6LzepPer4ZOhpGYfDVJIB71i8i/6bOSfvnmxs5DljTae0GAVpOM3IykZ6bMltQtoZOgGMiKIcY/oE4p9WYDvbzuAhh6ZGAf0uiMolxC1yFbXZ4b6cIi1ZDEXYVy8SHaI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Tc0jtqgrEGjGY3iw0cEaDpvLJHVzfUwJLx7Hi1zYgqkwRfN5sa2PwYL0vwsoUW28Y/NMoRMLwnEis+LyvIzCrgFo5uKOhwIDtjJPZxKZRtDHzq6yiJrhxDULGCDrKHR+9d/wmUm+ELVKKq1EewcEw8tr75U9beV7huLXX1XZZoU= Received: by 10.35.86.12 with SMTP id o12mr5032614pyl.1185152613683; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.28.17 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:03:33 -0700 From: "Clint Chaplin" To: "Yoav Nir" Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <016201c7ccbf$3e394930$11158182@w2lan.cesnet.cz> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b7b9551d71acde901886cc48bfc088a6 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org OTOH, when I traveled to Toronto a month ago for a standards meeting (from the US, and I'm a US citizen), I got questioned for 15 minutes. Turns out I forgot to say the magic word: "meeting". They thought I was going to do actual work during my visit, and they didn't like that. On 7/22/07, Yoav Nir wrote: > The IETF can't tell the TSA or DHS what to do, but it can decide to > hold its meetings elsewhere. > > US immigration is sometimes quick (I've passed it in 10 minutes in DC > two years ago) and sometimes slow, but it's always more intrusive > than practically any other country. > > The problem is that I think a majority of the attendees live and work > in the US, so always holding it in Europe is not the answer either, > although you and I would have liked that. > > I guess that's why a lot of meetings happen in Canada: close to the > US for the US people, but you can skip US immigration with a direct > flight. > > On Jul 22, 2007, at 7:20 PM, Michal Krsek wrote: > > > Hi Jordi, > > > >> It seems that the controls are going worst and actually getting > >> really > >> annoying. I was stuck in 4 different controls, taking me more than > >> 4 hours > >> since the flight landed until being able to come to the hotel. > > > > seems strange for me. I've entered US in Atlanta and have to say > > I've got only two questions: > > > > a) Trip purpose > > b) Length of the stay > > > > Passed all the queues in about 20 minutes (including 15 minutes of > > waiting for my luggage). > > > > This has to be shortest immigration pass in my history (last time > > I've spent about 20 minutes talking to immigration officer about my > > t-shirt - there has been USS Missouri on it and he has been on > > board during WW 2nd). > > > >> If this is the situation we are going to have in the next meetings > >> and this > >> is happening to more and more people as I've been told today, > >> definitively, > >> US *MUST* be excluded for any next meetings, as this is totally > >> unacceptable. > > > > I'm not ure if IETF/ISOC has so much power to talk to TSA nor DHS. > > > > I have to say that if immigration control will go same way for a > > while, I'll not be asked about anything during my next visit :-) > > > > Regards > > Michal > > > > P.S: BTW I'd like to see IETF meeting in Spain - would you like act > > as local volunteer? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > -- Clint (JOATMON) Chaplin Principal Engineer Corporate Standardization (US) SISA _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 21:23:17 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICmdl-0003HH-7y; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:23:13 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICmdj-0003H2-90 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:23:11 -0400 Received: from c243-111.rim.net ([216.9.243.111]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICmdi-0006rI-LZ for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:23:10 -0400 Importance: normal Priority: normal Received: from ngw01ykf.rim.net ([10.102.108.30]) by c243-111.rim.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:23:09 -0400 Received: from XCH20YKF.rim.net ([10.102.100.35]) by ngw01ykf.rim.net (SAVSMTP 3.1.6.45) with SMTP id M2007072221230911134 ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:23:09 -0400 Received: from XCH47YKF.rim.net ([10.64.31.217]) by XCH20YKF.rim.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:23:09 -0400 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2826 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Recommendations for Pizza and Hot Dogs places? Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:23:08 -0400 Message-ID: <61968779B8AC4C4BAB421D4C12F008C0070CFA08@XCH47YKF.rim.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Recommendations for Pizza and Hot Dogs places? thread-index: AcfMtUSP5rospR2JSvqIRHOoj19+CwAAbHE1AAREMO8= From: "Andrew Allen" To: , , <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2007 01:23:09.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[079E7860:01C7CCC8] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f60d0f7806b0c40781eee6b9cd0b2135 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org If you want to try traditional Chicago stye deep pan pizza (two slices = and your full) then Giordanno's on Rush Street is the place. Its on the = North side (the other side of the Chicago river) a few blocks west of = Michigan avenue. Its about 1-2 miles from the hotel so probably need a = taxi. -------------------------- Andrew Allen Manager Standards Research In Motion Ltd Office +1 847-793-0861 x20824 BlackBerry Mobile +1 847 809 8636 http://www.rim.com/ Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld ----- Original Message ----- From: Noah Wallach To: bob.hinden@nokia.com ; 69attendees@ietf.org = <69attendees@ietf.org> Sent: Sun Jul 22 19:20:59 2007 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Recommendations for Pizza and Hot Dogs = places? Pizanos pizza 61 E Madison Enjoy, Noah ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Hinden To: 69attendees@ietf.org <69attendees@ietf.org> Sent: Sun Jul 22 16:08:32 2007 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Recommendations for Pizza and Hot Dogs places? Anyone have recommendations on the best places for Chicago style =20 pizza and hot dogs? No, not pizza's with hot dogs in them, pizza =20 places and hot dog places :-) For example, I know that Uno's has turned into a chain, but don't =20 know the current state of Pizzeria Due. Thanks, Bob _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --------------------------------------------------------------------- This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential = information, privileged material (including material protected by the = solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute = non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than = the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this = transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete = this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or = reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not = authorized and may be unlawful. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 21:59:44 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICnD2-0005kB-7y; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:59:40 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICnCz-0005k4-Mt for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:59:37 -0400 Received: from relay2.es.uci.edu ([128.200.80.28]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICnCy-0001Gg-82 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:59:37 -0400 Received: from [128.200.240.196] (vc240196.vpn.uci.edu [128.200.240.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by relay2.es.uci.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6N1xUWe029150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:59:32 -0700 X-UCInetID: jsegui Message-ID: <46A40CD9.3090903@jpl.nasa.gov> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:05:13 -0700 From: John Segui User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Allen Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Recommendations for Pizza and Hot Dogs places? References: <61968779B8AC4C4BAB421D4C12F008C0070CFA08@XCH47YKF.rim.net> In-Reply-To: <61968779B8AC4C4BAB421D4C12F008C0070CFA08@XCH47YKF.rim.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b800b1eab964a31702fa68f1ff0e955 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thanks for the advice, Andrew. Mapquest lists a couple of closer Giordano's. I'm going to check out the first one tonight (130 E Randolph according to the map is 5 or 6 blocks): http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&cat=giordanos&address=17%20E%20Monroe%20St&city=Chicago&state=IL&zipcode=60603%2d5608&country=US Take care, -John Andrew Allen wrote: > If you want to try traditional Chicago stye deep pan pizza (two slices and your full) then Giordanno's on Rush Street is the place. Its on the North side (the other side of the Chicago river) a few blocks west of Michigan avenue. Its about 1-2 miles from the hotel so probably need a taxi. > > -------------------------- > Andrew Allen > Manager Standards > Research In Motion Ltd > Office +1 847-793-0861 x20824 > BlackBerry Mobile +1 847 809 8636 > http://www.rim.com/ > > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Noah Wallach > To: bob.hinden@nokia.com ; 69attendees@ietf.org <69attendees@ietf.org> > Sent: Sun Jul 22 19:20:59 2007 > Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Recommendations for Pizza and Hot Dogs places? > > Pizanos pizza > 61 E Madison > > Enjoy, > > Noah > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Hinden > To: 69attendees@ietf.org <69attendees@ietf.org> > Sent: Sun Jul 22 16:08:32 2007 > Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Recommendations for Pizza and Hot Dogs places? > > Anyone have recommendations on the best places for Chicago style > pizza and hot dogs? No, not pizza's with hot dogs in them, pizza > places and hot dog places :-) > > For example, I know that Uno's has turned into a chain, but don't > know the current state of Pizzeria Due. > > Thanks, > Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 22:28:54 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICnfG-000208-9T; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:28:50 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICnfE-000203-T1 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:28:48 -0400 Received: from sequoia.muada.com ([83.149.65.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICnfE-0001mE-Fc for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:28:48 -0400 Received: from [192.168.251.111] (mpwr-static-216.70.191.48.mpowercom.net [216.70.191.48] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6N2KcT2027070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:20:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <012C6741-AE53-4C45-A9E0-48DA4618E97B@muada.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Iljitsch van Beijnum Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:22:32 -0500 To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=3.5 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on sequoia.muada.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 22-jul-2007, at 18:50, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > It seems that the controls are going worst and actually getting really > annoying. I was stuck in 4 different controls, taking me more than > 4 hours > since the flight landed until being able to come to the hotel. I entered the country in Detroit and for 20 minutes the lines at immigration for visitors didn't move. Then we got to walk over to the citizen/resident part and I could enter the country 10 minutes later. The immigration official only wanted to know why I'm here and how long I'm staying (naming the actual date of your departure seems to help a bit). But curiously, the customs official wanted to know what I did for a living. Maybe that had something to do with the $45 worth of goods that are staying in the US that I declared (a book I took with me for someone). Are you still entering the US on the visa waiver program? You may have an easier time if you apply for a visa, that way, they check you out real good once and that should be it. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 22:33:13 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICnjS-0005CX-EP; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:33:10 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICnjR-0005CN-2b for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:33:09 -0400 Received: from cod.sandelman.ca ([192.139.46.42]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICnjQ-00085e-AC for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:33:08 -0400 Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (unknown [67.97.210.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "marajade.sandelman.ca.", Issuer "Michael Richardson" (verified OK)) by cod.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EEF512505 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marajade.sandelman.ca (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFFD4E797 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:46:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity In-Reply-To: Message from Tim Chown of "Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:44:33 BST." <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-Mailer: MH-E 7.82; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 19) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:46:13 -0400 Message-ID: <6320.1185137173@marajade.sandelman.ca> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Chown writes: Tim> Maybe IETF pushes the limits of the hotel's system more than a Tim> typical set of conference visitors... Yeah... so, when are we going to be renting ourselves out as stress testers? ??? As an aside, crossing customs just now at the Ottawa airport was about 10x more hassle than ever before. Inspector Evans. (a woman with an arm brace... looks like RSI to me). Next time it is in the US, I will, as a *Canadian*, printing out an invitation letter. Oh, and Delta is all screwed up today. 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I'm a US citizen with a US passport, and my name is apparently common enough to be similar to someone the US government *really* wants to talk to. I won 4+ hours in secondary immigration hold in JFK a couple of years ago, wondering whether they would let me back into the country - I actually managed to extract a letter of apology from the government for that particular stunt. Nonetheless, US immigration's favorite trick is to send me for secondary immigration screening when I'm entering the US via a Canadian airport with on-site US immigration, especially when I'm connecting from somewhere else in Canada and hence don't have a lot of time to spare. So far, I haven't won an unexpected night in Canada, but it's been close, and is probably only a matter of time... as Canadian airline schedules don't factor in US immigration delays. Thanks, --David > As an aside, crossing customs just now at the Ottawa airport was > about 10x more hassle than ever before. Inspector Evans. (a woman with > an arm brace... looks like RSI to me). >=20 > Next time it is in the US, I will, as a *Canadian*, printing out an > invitation letter. >=20 > Oh, and Delta is all screwed up today. (Didn't affect me) _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 00:45:23 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICpnD-0005ON-TI; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:45:11 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICpnD-0005OI-6X for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:45:11 -0400 Received: from tls.sendmail.com ([209.246.26.40] helo=foon.sendmail.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICpnC-0001tr-KM for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:45:10 -0400 Received: from lab.smi.sendmail.com ([10.210.100.93]) by foon.sendmail.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id l6N4lkOU031789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:47:46 -0700 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v1.0.0 foon.sendmail.com l6N4lkOU031789 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sendmail.com; s=tls.dkim; t=1185166068; bh=V4cClKSsat8JylOWs3K1O11NyE0FFPYUJAGlWM xwV6c=; h=X-DomainKeys:DomainKey-Signature:Received:Received: X-Authentication-Warning:Date:From:X-X-Sender:To:cc:Subject: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Vkt 0sFvh+Qf6tFjyAMWRYxuZzFJsiJU96/7/1uPsiBaQyl9aOk8uEnO+LKNvGYI4id0rmg 0IsuE3sVb/q56CXUjwkK957SICTwr6yA9zvbCXQbfu05NwMlPksLyQQbbIuhMVKkk16 RHKV5MvNU3i/ciIRALhzxFhg6PgxHfmr1M= X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v0.6.0 foon.sendmail.com l6N4lkOU031789 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=tls; d=sendmail.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=received:received:x-authentication-warning:date:from: x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references: mime-version:content-type; b=W6KtZeP5F+3cr6Va7nLfv3hxW5EuenFWnURiCd/muE4zlCe24riNGgR672DJ0Xr9k js1Qaps2YeDPT8PacGq8MH7MhnyOwRJgD/NzbGMkWIV7qYfanAyPJpmQUVIld7ie4ym YC8qLAK3bbh8VV3BFeKmINNxyakfX2Uji6q1gKo= Received: from lab.smi.sendmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lab.smi.sendmail.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6N4itHI083909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:44:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msk@sendmail.com) Received: from localhost (msk@localhost) by lab.smi.sendmail.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) with ESMTP id l6N4iqeF083900; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:44:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msk@sendmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: lab.smi.sendmail.com: msk owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:44:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" X-X-Sender: msk@lab.smi.sendmail.com To: Clint Chaplin Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070722214429.P46128@lab.smi.sendmail.com> References: <016201c7ccbf$3e394930$11158182@w2lan.cesnet.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6d62ab47271805379d7172ee693a45db Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, Clint Chaplin wrote: > Turns out I forgot to say the magic word: "meeting". They thought I was > going to do actual work during my visit, and they didn't like that. The USCIS doesn't like that either. Note for future arrivals. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 00:50:26 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICpsH-00019N-3Z; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:50:25 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICpsF-00019G-PV for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:50:23 -0400 Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com ([147.28.0.81]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICpsF-0001zb-Aq for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:50:23 -0400 Received: from [172.28.170.165] ([67.97.210.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6N4oBRq043432; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:50:12 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <46A43382.6020304@bogus.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:50:10 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Christer Holmberg (JO/LMF)" Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social and wg session times References: <1BFEC579-C05C-4038-B978-8657AF01B8A6@muada.com> <7374777208BDC7449D5620EF9423256707479CED@esealmw113.eemea.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <7374777208BDC7449D5620EF9423256707479CED@esealmw113.eemea.ericsson.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.90.2/3740/Mon Jul 23 03:50:50 2007 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by nagasaki.bogus.com id l6N4oBRq043432 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Christer Holmberg (JO/LMF) wrote: > Go to the social event after the wg session ends...=20 I walked past the social event venue on the way to dinner so it's within walking distance, about a kilometer. joelja > Regards, >=20 > Christer >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Iljitsch van Beijnum [mailto:iljitsch@muada.com]=20 >> Sent: 22. hein=E4kuuta 2007 23:51 >> To: 69attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Social and wg session times >> >> According to http://www.motorola.com/content.jsp?globalObjectId=3D8269 >> the social event starts at 1900 on tuesday while there are 5=20 >> wg sessions from 1850 until 1950... >> >> Advice for those of us who want to attend one of these=20 >> sessions as well as the social? >> >> Iljitsch >> >> PS. iChat/XMPP URL shortcut to jabber rooms page is still up:=20 >> http:// www.bgpexpert.com/ietfjabber.php >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >> >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >=20 _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 07:23:40 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICw0g-0002jz-8q; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:23:30 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICw0e-0002js-Ie for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:23:28 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICw0e-0002vG-8t for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:23:28 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c10so107206nfd for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:23:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=MYMkWEZdth3VzpcYZwr8fljIxDUzOBhidaTYjMAKmqe5T2smHpspcA4u4GHHkKyl16j9p4xL5uFAJ5mVk+GA8ZFDb70eeeFMv2Quh3iqLNL3oG1Nb0rdlIzjYUcMic89Ua9AwtpANuguBIyQwrUy1aiJjR4f9fjk2f8RjVWAjMc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=l/VLBlnkLGvCkSE13WROTPZB/z3hUpsfX5XEhMDL1GN1h+hj6+UxAHqR6OmtmatbJxONHHcLHTbPLSNSNcD18SqGHjMJt4gArM29IiGvNWjlQOZwI0KJ01kDat3HTt/LepH8FTEHBrLzdL2HqNY1Yw1cPyzS3RO831Qtrnxw8Gg= Received: by 10.82.100.1 with SMTP id x1mr1879206bub.1185189806991; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.118.16 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9cf5ced20707230423g2bdb3ebat1e14938e33855e3a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:23:26 -0400 From: "David Frascone" To: 69attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ff0d511081cbb1ed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Subject: [69ATTENDEES] iCal agenda? X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0097333188==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============0097333188== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_191254_340378.1185189806929" ------=_Part_191254_340378.1185189806929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Has anyone converted the meeting agenda to something "calendarable"? -Dave -- David Frascone Oxymoron: Safe Sex. ------=_Part_191254_340378.1185189806929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Has anyone converted the meeting agenda to something "calendarable"?

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Oxymoron: Safe Sex. ------=_Part_191254_340378.1185189806929-- --===============0097333188== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============0097333188==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 07:37:25 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwE7-0004pC-C0; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:37:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwE6-0004p3-85 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:37:22 -0400 Received: from legolas.restena.lu ([158.64.1.34] helo=smtp.restena.lu) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwE4-0003BK-RP for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:37:22 -0400 Received: from smtp.restena.lu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.restena.lu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443C13027249 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:37:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from someone.restena.lu (unknown [158.64.15.244]) by smtp.restena.lu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02933027241 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:37:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Stefan Winter Organization: Fondation RESTENA To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:37:16 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707231537.17074.stefan.winter@restena.lu> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, > I've talked with a few people during the welcome reception and got the > feeling that several had been under the same situation with the immigration > when arriving to US this time. Heard this from a few other people as well. The selection process seems to be incredibly random. I had no problems whatsoever even though - I have an almost brand-new passport (others I talked to were taken to secondary just because of that) - There's a visa stamp of immigration into Egypt just a few months ago, in arabic letters (I guess that's because the imm officer forgot to look through all the visa pages in my passport. The stamp was on the last page, which is actually the first for RTL languages. I was "impressed" by this very "professional" passport handling. ) - I have black hair, blue eyes and wear a (minimal) beard. I have heard by several people that this is supposed to make me suspect. - I had a German magazine with a big tank and "War or Peace" on its cover (GEO magazine, great article if you speak German). - I'm a Waiver, and it's my first visit to US. The imm officer just asked me where I'm going, what the IETF is (I kept the explanation short ;-) ) and where I work. He didn't find it curious that I said I live in Germany, while I work in Luxembourg (daily border commuter). After all those stories about immigration into the US I was seriously worried that I'm aggregating too many "bad signs", but I just went through smoothly. Greetings, Stefan Winter _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 07:53:28 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwTe-0006Av-DS; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:53:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwTd-0006Ao-F8 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:53:25 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com ([72.14.214.235]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwTd-0003XT-5R for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:53:25 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 31so1453382huc for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:53:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MC3l87ZRd6VW8Aj9HW6TkGJTei+RfPB2qfx0W9G8GbI8V6lvyWgfhPr9iIb3Z9PkIUPdtHVjFFa2eemsxc8kJZIvK8OAoNGADhOW/IY3r/Ykv4PVvXhld9dKurXC91G93NM0pQjtxo9/uLV+cdKK4gNG5ybIaS8mlaLFcNNlwuI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AzqNd9uVTrKIc85eQN1mbWAtpBo2uPAypPXKAzbm8Pnistf+aSRuc2r/D1cjMIx9rKaZJpxLLM68QWVLIkxTMc7iCerUAKT3FYVQJ1kdY2Ucq7jqKrID277Fc2z5TXA9s/zePXwzSnXAADFSIPwBILEorcVSwy06njPlKxjXZlE= Received: by 10.67.97.18 with SMTP id z18mr4126852ugl.1185191604175; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?172.28.171.186? ( [67.97.210.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm564138nfu.2007.07.23.04.53.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46A496B2.50607@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:53:22 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US References: <016201c7ccbf$3e394930$11158182@w2lan.cesnet.cz> <20070722214429.P46128@lab.smi.sendmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20070722214429.P46128@lab.smi.sendmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> Turns out I forgot to say the magic word: "meeting". They thought I >> was going to do actual work during my visit, and they didn't like that. I know the IETF isn't a conference, but "Internet conference" usually ensures no further questions. However, it's highly variable; I've even been asked to show my company ID badge once or twice. Being polite, however tired and annoyed you are, is also helpful. Brian _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 07:55:41 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwVo-0007zK-Ns; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:55:40 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwVn-0007zB-Ub for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:55:39 -0400 Received: from sequoia.muada.com ([83.149.65.1]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwVn-0002UH-G1 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:55:39 -0400 Received: from [192.168.251.111] (mpwr-static-216.70.191.48.mpowercom.net [216.70.191.48] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6NBrZnn035476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:53:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) In-Reply-To: <9cf5ced20707230423g2bdb3ebat1e14938e33855e3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9cf5ced20707230423g2bdb3ebat1e14938e33855e3a@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Iljitsch van Beijnum Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] iCal agenda? Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 06:55:24 -0500 To: "David Frascone" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=3.5 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, ILJQX_SUBJ_HUH autolearn=no version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on sequoia.muada.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 23-jul-2007, at 6:23, David Frascone wrote: > Has anyone converted the meeting agenda to something "calendarable"? If you go to the tools page http://tools.ietf.org/ you'll find the calendar generator http://tools.ietf.org/calendar You can select which sessions to include in your calendar and then one with those sessions is generated. I've subscribed to the resulting link but I'm not sure if this gives me changes when there are any. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 08:17:46 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwrA-0006FX-Ba; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:17:44 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwr8-0006FS-VK for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:17:42 -0400 Received: from postboy.ripe.net ([193.0.19.3]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwr7-0004Pt-Hz for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:17:42 -0400 Received: by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix, from userid 4008) id C82B06A04E; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:17:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from herring.ripe.net (herring.ripe.net [193.0.1.203]) by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD616A02F; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:17:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (gorilla.ripe.net [193.0.1.204]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B452F5AB; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:17:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46A49C39.6020904@ripe.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:16:57 +0200 From: Henk Uijterwaal Organization: RIPE NCC User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: X-RIPE-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-RIPE-Spam-Status: N 0.111512 / -4.4 X-RIPE-Signature: b886be0ee1cd055853f21f91737dc694 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, > I will like to know how many folks have been this time under this situation. I came in through Cincinnatti and it took me less than 10 minutes to get through immigration. Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Lawyer: "Now sir, I'm sure you are an intelligent and honest man--" # Witness: "Thank you. If I weren't under oath, I'd return the compliment." _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 08:18:22 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwrm-000717-LA; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:18:22 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwrl-00070X-JM for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:18:21 -0400 Received: from hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net ([216.37.94.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwrl-00033l-61 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:18:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 24934 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jul 2007 12:10:46 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 24917, pid: 24921, t: 0.8115s scanners: clamav: 0.90.2/m: spam: 3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.3 required=6.5 tests=BAYES_99,RDNS_NONE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.1.0.50?) (67.97.210.2) by hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 2007 12:10:45 -0000 Message-ID: <46A49CF9.5040308@dial.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:20:09 +0100 From: Elwyn Davies User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org US imm (like many other countries, including UK for UK citizens) is a lottery. The IETF ain't gonna change that. This time the God of Small Queues smiled on me: it was 19:00 last Friday and I stood in line for at least 45 seconds at immigration. The lady was polite and straightforward. The intrusive procedures were mechanical but fast and she didn't complain that there was nowhere to stamp my passport. I was here 'to attend a convention' which is a good form of words that doesn't raise issues of speaking (for money perhaps :-( ) and would be leaving in a week. All done in less than 3 minutes with no hassle. Of course, the luggage was still making its leisurely way from plane to carousel, but we can't blame that on US imm. Last time in Boston was much the same, but the time before in Toronto was a nightmare: long queues, surly agent, assumption of bad faith etc, etc. I nearly swore never to come to the US ever again. /Elwyn JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > Hi all, > > I've talked with a few people during the welcome reception and got the > feeling that several had been under the same situation with the immigration > when arriving to US this time. > > It seems that the controls are going worst and actually getting really > annoying. I was stuck in 4 different controls, taking me more than 4 hours > since the flight landed until being able to come to the hotel. > > Note that I'm a regular visitor to US for different kind of meetings, in > fact I've been here already 3 times this year, so I don't think there is any > valid reason to become suddenly a "suspicious subject" and having to pass > all those extra controls at least not in a so slow process. > > If this is the situation we are going to have in the next meetings and this > is happening to more and more people as I've been told today, definitively, > US *MUST* be excluded for any next meetings, as this is totally > unacceptable. > > I will like to know how many folks have been this time under this situation. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 08:44:14 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICxGg-0007ZY-E3; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:44:06 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICxGf-0007Wi-Ne for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:44:05 -0400 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.244]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICxGf-00059t-FU for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:44:05 -0400 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c17so339690anc for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:44:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=pQ+QsjwPUt7rrauorSYsgaODymW7CZJhaieAyKtS6vtQG66BX0BSU6vIBeKneVJ656ZRtPS4EWlTewUWZNHxTmPvAwmWGOJgJ7jt+u5zwQD8IGIBH1wDcgkqmOVWem3BRtkqWUPToFChuWJCJfFxttTWUvTEFcGaLS0nnxKLVOw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=EzZTR7gtscwwUisMkUYes3r89rMrwtSJvsA74rgtZHXtCo4wM21EHhASOJMKBf6Ocd9uCyZIqhvcA6t9WfpvXAZ3NRKNT6UdhcICePkcrhOJbRZag6dVsj/f2Sj8FW7T+ahE3rHjJ9F5cEyUWoBWKaKuuTNZAOduTeEynZ3bJ5I= Received: by 10.100.47.9 with SMTP id u9mr1609375anu.1185194644989; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.151.17 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5fa6bfbc0707230544k20ecaf19t67d62cb56caf3ec2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:44:04 -0500 From: "ashish makani" To: 69attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Subject: [69ATTENDEES] [lunch-options] Vegetarian & Indian lunch options around the hilton ? X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0160495281==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============0160495281== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_118827_9235858.1185194644951" ------=_Part_118827_9235858.1185194644951 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Folks I am a veggie....and was wondering if any of you could recommend some inexpensive vegetarian places, around the hotel. I think there is a Subway closeby...but are there any other options ? Also, is anybody aware of Indian eating-places closeby ( there are several in chicago, but any ones, which are close to the hotel...to grab a quick lunch) cheers ashish <69attendees@ietf.org> ------=_Part_118827_9235858.1185194644951 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Folks

I am a veggie....and was wondering if any of you could recommend some inexpensive vegetarian places, around the hotel.

I think there is a Subway closeby...but are there any other options ?

Also, is anybody aware of Indian eating-places closeby ( there are several in chicago, but any ones, which are close to the hotel...to grab a quick lunch)

cheers
ashish
------=_Part_118827_9235858.1185194644951-- --===============0160495281== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============0160495281==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 09:07:43 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICxdV-0006Ss-Vm; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:07:41 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICxdU-0006Sm-KR for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:07:40 -0400 Received: from coconut.itojun.org ([2001:240:501:0:204:23ff:fecb:8908]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICxdU-0005yt-6c for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:07:40 -0400 Received: by coconut.itojun.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 46E45233CB; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:07:38 +0900 (JST) To: ashish.makani@gmail.com Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] [lunch-options] Vegetarian & Indian lunch options around the hilton ? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:44:04 -0500" <5fa6bfbc0707230544k20ecaf19t67d62cb56caf3ec2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5fa6bfbc0707230544k20ecaf19t67d62cb56caf3ec2@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Cue version 0.8 (070521-1856/itojun) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20070723130738.46E45233CB@coconut.itojun.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:07:38 +0900 (JST) From: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org > I am a veggie....and was wondering if any of you could recommend some > inexpensive vegetarian places, around the hotel. > > I think there is a Subway closeby...but are there any other options ? > > Also, is anybody aware of Indian eating-places closeby ( there are several > in chicago, but any ones, which are close to the hotel...to grab a quick > lunch) consierge has a list of veg restaurants. itojun _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 09:56:31 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyOh-0006SN-JF; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:56:27 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyOg-0006SF-JC for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:56:26 -0400 Received: from coconut.itojun.org ([2001:240:501:0:204:23ff:fecb:8908]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyOg-0007FO-3l for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:56:26 -0400 Received: by coconut.itojun.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id E8B9D233CE; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:56:24 +0900 (JST) To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] iCal agenda? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 23 Jul 2007 06:55:24 -0500" References: X-Mailer: Cue version 0.8 (070521-1856/itojun) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20070723135624.E8B9D233CE@coconut.itojun.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:56:24 +0900 (JST) From: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org > On 23-jul-2007, at 6:23, David Frascone wrote: > > > Has anyone converted the meeting agenda to something "calendarable"? > > If you go to the tools page http://tools.ietf.org/ you'll find the > calendar generator http://tools.ietf.org/calendar > > You can select which sessions to include in your calendar and then > one with those sessions is generated. I've subscribed to the > resulting link but I'm not sure if this gives me changes when there > are any. webcal://www.google.com/calendar/ical/0dd691opir732505opvf1rs2e8%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics itojun _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 09:59:28 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyRb-0008LS-O6; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:59:27 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyRa-0008LN-6r for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:59:26 -0400 Received: from coconut.itojun.org ([221.249.121.227]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyRZ-0005su-QL for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:59:26 -0400 Received: by coconut.itojun.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 45093233CB; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:54:21 +0900 (JST) To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Cue version 0.8 (070521-1856/itojun) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20070723135421.45093233CB@coconut.itojun.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:54:21 +0900 (JST) From: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] sharing TAXI on the way back: jul27 UA881 ORD-NRT X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org it is a bit early but anyways: is there anyone who would like to share taxi ride to ORD on jul27? my flight (UA881) will leave ORD around noon so i guess it better to leave hotel around 08:00 or 08:30. i'm not too sure but i guess we can convince driver to give us separate receipts. itojun _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 10:03:11 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyVC-0002Ov-Gy; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:03:10 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyVB-0002Op-Im for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:03:09 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.173] helo=mgw-ext14.nokia.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyVB-0005xv-2u for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:03:09 -0400 Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-ext14.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l6NE2XSY011498 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:03:07 +0300 Received: from esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.33]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:03:04 +0300 Received: from mgw-int01.ntc.nokia.com ([172.21.143.96]) by esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:03:03 +0300 Received: from [130.129.16.168] (daec-linuxvpn059128.americas.nokia.com [10.241.59.128]) by mgw-int01.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l6NE31lr017237 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:03:02 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20070722214429.P46128@lab.smi.sendmail.com> References: <016201c7ccbf$3e394930$11158182@w2lan.cesnet.cz> <20070722214429.P46128@lab.smi.sendmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <78631980-CE1D-4701-8004-C1B848F0BB75@nokia.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bob Hinden Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:03:11 -0500 To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2007 14:03:03.0615 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FBA5CF0:01C7CD32] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bob.hinden@nokia.com List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 22, 2007, at 11:44 PM, ext Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, Clint Chaplin wrote: >> Turns out I forgot to say the magic word: "meeting". They thought >> I was going to do actual work during my visit, and they didn't >> like that. That works for many countries where going for business means one needs a different kind of visa. For example, when we had the IETF in Korea. Bob _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 10:11:09 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICycs-0008RK-2X; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:11:06 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICycq-0008Kn-Is for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:11:04 -0400 Received: from virtual3.netaktiv.com ([80.67.170.53] helo=mail.bortzmeyer.org) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICycq-00066o-9C for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:11:04 -0400 Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 6E5C6240817; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:11:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fetiche (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 33BEC179D7; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:07:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:07:15 -0500 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Message-ID: <20070723140714.GA1816@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <20070722075929.Q46128@lab.smi.sendmail.com> <20070722150209.AE084233C5@coconut.itojun.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070722150209.AE084233C5@coconut.itojun.org> X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 12:02:09AM +0900, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote a message of 15 lines which said: > there seem to be some issue with http cookie or something, i guess. There always issues with cookies at IETF meetings. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 10:17:46 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyjG-0003Yt-PW; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:17:42 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyjF-0003Yo-Oe for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:17:41 -0400 Received: from cod.sandelman.ca ([192.139.46.42]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyjF-0006Fj-BG for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:17:41 -0400 Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (dhcp-1359.ietf69.org [130.129.19.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "marajade.sandelman.ca.", Issuer "Michael Richardson" (verified OK)) by cod.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F0512522 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marajade.sandelman.ca (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B519B4E797 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:17:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US In-Reply-To: Message from "Clint Chaplin" of "Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:03:33 PDT." References: <016201c7ccbf$3e394930$11158182@w2lan.cesnet.cz> X-Mailer: MH-E 7.82; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 19) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:17:34 -0500 Message-ID: <17492.1185200254@marajade.sandelman.ca> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Clint" == Clint Chaplin writes: Clint> Turns out I forgot to say the magic word: "meeting". They Clint> thought I was going to do actual work during my visit, and Clint> they didn't like that. Yes, that is indeed the most important word to say to Canadian immigrations. It used to be somewhat effective for US immigration, but it seems not. - -- ] Bear: "Me, I'm just the shape of a bear." | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xelerance.com http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQEVAwUBRqQs44CLcPvd0N1lAQK8/wf/bVYeKXljYUINoZvFVa1MMPWBOyivP37b PRikDn6hWzA7vb/mATjPH7yk7Ia9sd01rIeRR2IDO38y/SdDUIZtxPjEgbddgGWB T1/hkyQcE8PPSSHrjNWkwBwGTfYaR3wMxXZ0lT41itN4WgczyeZRa9c/2LPGCSpO J0oA8IZiWarjlBreUI7O5vWBjFfrziU5S5quaTubbxingJ0eRfztG3psV6TRGC85 6hAttTKwX43SUmW3WQnM+2L80//cmbMdlAj14o9E+9fJuNr03lmV9GJivqxGY2pE 1gG73GHpiaqWZ84pkuJr6gJUHwGmalfW5CYk88Zx8JeIybvlrqh1og== =P7YE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 10:17:50 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyjM-0003fN-52; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:17:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyjK-0003ev-R7 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:17:46 -0400 Received: from cod.sandelman.ca ([192.139.46.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyjJ-0007f2-GF for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:17:46 -0400 Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (dhcp-1359.ietf69.org [130.129.19.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "marajade.sandelman.ca.", Issuer "Michael Richardson" (verified OK)) by cod.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CD012522 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marajade.sandelman.ca (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877674E797 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:17:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: 69attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Message from "Noah Wallach" of "Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:20:59 PDT." <5C46C0918C867B4090C18D62C83563B80390502F@emailcorp2.jnpr.net> References: <5C46C0918C867B4090C18D62C83563B80390502F@emailcorp2.jnpr.net> X-Mailer: MH-E 7.82; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 19) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:17:44 -0500 Message-ID: <17506.1185200264@marajade.sandelman.ca> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] trains and things X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I kept hearing "rain" at the "downtown chicago" restaurant. Then I kept remembering, and looked up to see a model traim go around above my head. I intend to spend some time riding the rails... I wonder if anyone has any recommendations on places to see... obviously, I'll go around the loop at least once. I noticed on the van ride in, (I decided not to take CTA, since I don't much like buses. Ottawa's "award winning" bus-rapid-transit system, run, by Occational Transpo, has turned me off bus transit...) I noticed that there are still some actual downtown-ish factory looking places with active rail hoppers outside them. I also notice a van on the highway: http://www.weirdchicago.com/ "Join Us for The Best of the Windy City's Haunted Places, Crime Spots & Weird Sites! " says the web site. I might. - -- ] Bear: "Me, I'm just the shape of a bear." | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xelerance.com http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQEVAwUBRqQu3ICLcPvd0N1lAQLgOAgApc1h9IjlW1EsieW17YMNpTSJ98twtOhQ fFWCu4uOWpSdCdA/0+u3NoquKKFz25oUEpqUXPQG6vGrvZ9gi5mYr3rGzUn6XVjK QUtScOBWRBhPwcEn2ZG837xGY299+VWfPDjebIKJ2+//KHBZZH6HQvdmq9fm90Mv zCkK7/y1IwSc9Hy/cP7At9XhSXcMDjzIncVwlkjl/gpnsmj/+UnDsY3A0Nv9rPTY YGp8nySgH1pbeg/J0sLkqFDVlB0NYEJUcx6/MbYBb+WioZVtLPKZT+ASspQFQSq2 69qiLeJi5D7Ozi2dFdX1vQJd2+xvWSA4YFw445J2v/aioI98c0Y+6g== =lVps -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 10:20:41 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICym7-0005Lz-3X; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:20:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICym4-0005Be-TP for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:20:37 -0400 Received: from discorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.38]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICym4-0007j2-FE for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:20:36 -0400 Received: from iseran.local (dhcp-118e.ietf69.org [130.129.17.142]) (authenticated bits=0) by discorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l6NEKXlC012240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:20:35 +0200 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:20:28 +0200 From: Thierry Ernst To: "Michal Krsek" Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Message-Id: <20070723162028.9c457d15.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: <016201c7ccbf$3e394930$11158182@w2lan.cesnet.cz> References: <016201c7ccbf$3e394930$11158182@w2lan.cesnet.cz> Organization: INRIA X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.3 (GTK+ 2.10.6; powerpc-apple-darwin8.8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at discorde with ID 46A4B931.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:20:14 -0500 "Michal Krsek" wrote: >This has to be shortest immigration pass in my history (last time I've spent >about 20 minutes talking to immigration officer about my t-shirt - there has >been USS Missouri on it and he has been on board during WW 2nd). That is 2007-1945 = 62 years from now. The immigration officer must be very old ;-) [I wouldn't be surprised retired officers would be on call again to process the immigration queues] Thierry. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 10:25:06 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICypY-0000Fc-7I; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:24:12 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICypX-0000Em-7S for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:24:11 -0400 Received: from owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.68.129]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICypS-0006QR-La for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:24:07 -0400 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NENlmB004246 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:23:48 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.189]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NENRZ0028446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:23:28 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6MG0VUD001136 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:00:31 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l6MG0VUk001135 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:00:31 +0100 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:00:31 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: 69attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20070722160031.GB1025@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Null-Tag: 6793f152acf1c279a7b62d11d9f200b3 X-Null-Tag: a8c0be7c086929b2a1b394d2d64f9630 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] IETF69 NOC? X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I was looking for a technical contact for help under the meeting page http://www.ietf.org/meetings/69-IETF.html but can't see it, even under the bottom heading of TICKETING. I can see the contractor link, but that's to their home page (I suspect I'm not meant to call their Portland office for IETF help :). Maybe someone can link it in, or point me at it if jetlag is blinding me :) Thanks, Tim _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 10:25:06 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyqI-0000Lf-0Q; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:24:58 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyqG-0000LZ-UU for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:24:56 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com ([208.184.79.10]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyqG-0006RW-FH for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:24:56 -0400 Received: from rshockeyPC (dhcp-16df.ietf69.org [130.129.22.223]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6NENLlh021705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:23:36 -0700 From: "Richard Shockey" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Recommendations for Pizza and Hot Dogs places? Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:23:28 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c7cd35$14ae8190$3e0b84b0$@us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfMtTOWtNmfM6LYRhaCMgPySYRc7AAdkVEw Content-Language: en-us X-SongbirdInformation: support@songbird.com for more information X-Songbird: Clean X-Songbird-From: richard@shockey.us X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org There are only two rational choices Ginos East 633 N wells .. what the Vatican of Chicago Style pizza and a must pilgrimage for all true believers. And http://www.giordanos.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hinden@nokia.com] Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:09 PM To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Recommendations for Pizza and Hot Dogs places? Anyone have recommendations on the best places for Chicago style pizza and hot dogs? No, not pizza's with hot dogs in them, pizza places and hot dog places :-) For example, I know that Uno's has turned into a chain, but don't know the current state of Pizzeria Due. RS> Essentially the same thing with the Thanks, Bob _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 10:25:18 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyqc-0000bo-5J; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:25:18 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyqa-0000Zv-LG for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:25:16 -0400 Received: from owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.68.129]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyqa-0007mo-1A for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:25:16 -0400 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NENblG004136 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:23:38 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.189]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NENRYg028446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:23:27 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6NCjJep019757 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:45:19 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l6NCjJtt019756 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:45:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:45:19 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Message-ID: <20070723124519.GB19407@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <46A49CF9.5040308@dial.pipex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46A49CF9.5040308@dial.pipex.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Null-Tag: 4688b2ebc1fd38f200b1a4423ec81e83 X-Null-Tag: dabcdbb3778919edaa5451c890a1326c X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 01:20:09PM +0100, Elwyn Davies wrote: > US imm (like many other countries, including UK for UK citizens) is a > lottery. The IETF ain't gonna change that. When I landed Saturday at Chicago we had a 2-ish hour wait getting through passport control because their system failed. Some believe it was the fingerprint recognition system, but since the US line also didn't move I'm not so sure. The queues were static for an hour or so maybe, while whatever the problem was was fixed. The backlog would have been bad for anyone coming in after. There wasn't any explanation announced when things did get moving. That could I guess happen anywhere, but if you landed late Saturday afternoon it might have delayed you more than usual. Tim _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 10:25:19 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyqd-0000hH-Gc; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:25:19 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyqa-0000a0-Ro for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:25:16 -0400 Received: from owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.68.129]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICyqa-0007mV-1M for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:25:16 -0400 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NENwOU004293 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:23:58 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.189]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NENRZ2028446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:23:28 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6MG9RSQ001289 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:09:27 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l6MG9RI5001288 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:09:27 +0100 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:09:27 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Message-ID: <20070722160927.GD1025@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <20070722144706.98826233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <187B763F-2011-4584-89E3-A64C25472D37@magma.ca> <20070722154432.GC14590@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000301c7cc79$fb89a700$f29cf500$@nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Null-Tag: 362b167bdddd8f1c4c1d0247bd5c6902 X-Null-Tag: 98c05532f9ba0c95e4082693aa9bcc49 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10ba05e7e8a9aa6adb025f426bef3a30 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org That is up now, at least in the IEPG meeting room (Crystal, L3). tim On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 11:04:22AM -0500, Arnoud van Wijk wrote: > > I hope that we will get a connection to the IETF network.. > Any idea when that happens? > > Arnoud A. T. van Wijk > AnnieS > http://www.annies.nl/content/inEnglish/home.asp > Mobile textphone (SIP): arnoud.vanwijk@annies.nl > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tim Chown [mailto:tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk] > > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:45 AM > > To: Philip Matthews > > Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity > > > > I think that was just luck; I have used my room number with a - each > > time, sometimes it works (after a while), sometimes it doesn't. > > > > Maybe IETF pushes the limits of the hotel's system more than a typical > > set of conference visitors... > > > > tim > > > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 10:36:49AM -0500, Philip Matthews wrote: > > > It worked for me (using Safari 2.0.4) after I learned that the room > > > number > > > had to be entered without a "-" (that as, just run all the digits > > > together). > > > - Philip > > > > > > On 22-Jul-07, at 10:04 , Michael Tuexen wrote: > > > > > > >I had the same problem. Using Firefox for signing up worked. So > > > >it seems to be a problem with the beta version of Safari... > > > > > > > >Best regards > > > >Michael > > > > > > > >On Jul 22, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: > > > > > > > >> i had trouble signing up for in-room internet connectivity. i > > > >>called > > > >> the operator then connected to a kind-of-tech person. she end up > > > >> subscribing me herself by asking for my 172.16.x.x address. > > > >> > > > >> i'm using MacOS X (10.4.10) and Safari 3 beta. > > > >> > > > >>itojun > > > >> > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > >>69ATTENDEES mailing list > > > >>69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > > > >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >69ATTENDEES mailing list > > > >69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > > > >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > > > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > > -- > > Tim > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > -- Tim _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 10:35:15 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICz0C-0000ho-Gl; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:35:13 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICz08-0000hR-4O for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:35:08 -0400 Received: from verilan.com ([70.103.134.18] helo=mail.verilan.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICz06-00084Q-Sb for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:35:08 -0400 Received: from [130.129.102.125] (unknown [130.129.102.125]) by mail.verilan.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE348183B13F; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:34:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20070722160031.GB1025@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <20070722160031.GB1025@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1FD3296B-EAF7-4DBD-AA67-D2415FA76BDE@verilan.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Morgan Sackett Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] IETF69 NOC? Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:33:57 -0500 To: Tim Chown X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, We are working on getting this information put up on the meeting page and community wiki. In the meantime, please either send email to noc@ietf69.org or submit a helpdesk ticket at http://hdesk.ietf69.org. Morgan On Jul 22, 2007, at 11:00 AM, Tim Chown wrote: > Hi, > > I was looking for a technical contact for help under the meeting page > > http://www.ietf.org/meetings/69-IETF.html > > but can't see it, even under the bottom heading of TICKETING. I > can see > the contractor link, but that's to their home page (I suspect I'm > not meant > to call their Portland office for IETF help :). > > Maybe someone can link it in, or point me at it if jetlag is > blinding me :) > > Thanks, > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > Morgan Sackett VP of Engineering VeriLAN Event Services, Inc. 215 SE Morrison Street Suite 2000F Portland, OR 97214 Tel: 503 224-8822 Fax: 503 224-8833 Cell: 503 969-2154 msackett@verilan.com www.verilan.com This e-mail contains proprietary information and may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this message in error, please delete it immediately. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 10:36:46 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICz1i-0001C6-KK; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:36:46 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICz1h-0001Bs-NN for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:36:45 -0400 Received: from mail.nic.cl ([200.1.123.8]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICz1f-000881-Nt for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:36:45 -0400 Received: from mail.nic.cl (mailn [127.0.0.1]) by mail.nic.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B62CC8209 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:36:42 -0400 (CLT) Received: from [172.30.15.14] (pc14.vpn-ciscocec.nic.cl [172.30.15.14]) by mail.nic.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA84CC81F9 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:36:42 -0400 (CLT) From: Mauricio Vergara Ereche Organization: NIC Chile To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:36:01 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707231036.01710.mave@nic.cl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on Mon Jul 23 10:36:42 2007 -0400 (CLT) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mave@nic.cl List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sun July 22 2007 19:50:54 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > Hi all, > > I've talked with a few people during the welcome reception and got the > feeling that several had been under the same situation with the immigration > when arriving to US this time. Hi! I came in via Dallas and it took me only 15 minutes to wait in the line... Then they asked me 2 or 3 questions and that was it. It's my second time here in the US and the last time I came I didn't have much trouble either. Maybe I was lucky :-) -- Mauricio Vergara Ereche User #188365 counter.li.org NIC Chile mave [@] nic [.] cl Miraflores 222 piso 14, Santiago CHILE +56 2 9407710 Codigo Postal: 832-0198 http://www.nic.cl _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 10:41:46 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICz6X-0005Op-PU; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:41:45 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICz6V-0005OY-9h for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:41:43 -0400 Received: from gandalf.icesi.edu.co ([200.3.192.228]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICz6U-0006tk-Vf for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:41:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 3156 invoked by uid 48); 21 Jul 2007 04:36:38 -0000 Received: from 130.129.21.48 ( [130.129.21.48]) as user scespedes@icesi.edu.co by gandalf.icesi.edu.co with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:36:38 +0500 Message-ID: <1184992598.46a18d5693521@gandalf.icesi.edu.co> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:36:38 +0500 From: scespedes@icesi.edu.co To: 69attendees@ietf.org References: <002401c7cd35$14ae8190$3e0b84b0$@us> In-Reply-To: <002401c7cd35$14ae8190$3e0b84b0$@us> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 130.129.21.48 X-Spam-Score: 2.7 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 6d62ab47271805379d7172ee693a45db Subject: [69ATTENDEES] SMTP server X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2009727402==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============2009727402== Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi

Is there any SMTP server that I can use from here?

Thanks

Sandra L. Céspedes.
 --===============2009727402== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============2009727402==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 10:49:59 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICzEU-0005hh-4E; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:49:58 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICzES-0005hb-EE for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:49:56 -0400 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.181]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICzES-0008Ps-32 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:49:56 -0400 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so2510426waf for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:49:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=U8egIDXdNnDa3jVboiUdfcxy73h+ijmmRr+9Gj+dF1Ff3xCWkIhmVnMG2x5B3ISwsJ/CHxFs+QLdZK5t1cFaLsUBNSo20770Q0JbCKRX43WGVeUC+heDVvNkProObLpQnesGiwgebbgraDirUZbigVbqth3YQ1o4zMU0yRpE0K8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Py4Ev8EN5/doVxTkDgQyHf7GKS0NHyg2GorV8/NRxLRJmENO/Vgn51wm2PfV4FPK5WhG919B7vlK0uvCZS+fRBGjE1dQSLxW2qko+b02cwrnclObVSPmr1ydCSDZaca/cHOvQxMyy8sQSKVBHzIEYgI9JJpRBDCuy3yRWPbQ0DY= Received: by 10.114.120.1 with SMTP id s1mr3046094wac.1185202194812; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.184.12 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:49:54 -0500 From: Hutch To: "scespedes@icesi.edu.co" Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] SMTP server In-Reply-To: <1184992598.46a18d5693521@gandalf.icesi.edu.co> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <002401c7cd35$14ae8190$3e0b84b0$@us> <1184992598.46a18d5693521@gandalf.icesi.edu.co> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 610bf66f4bb92cf6 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Yes, as Morgan mentioned yesterday, we have an outbound server that accepts mail from those on the wireless and terminal room networks. smtp.ietf69.org On 7/20/07, scespedes@icesi.edu.co wrote: > Hi > > Is there any SMTP server that I can use from here? > > Thanks > > Sandra L. C=E9spedes. > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 10:57:21 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICzLZ-0000Ax-TL; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:57:17 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICzLY-0000An-Lh for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:57:16 -0400 Received: from mx-in01.nouzelle.com ([87.119.194.132] helo=mx-in03.nouzelle.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICzLY-0007JB-9b for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:57:16 -0400 Received: from internal02.nouzelle.com (unknown [172.29.32.13]) by mx-in03.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0D840B417; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:57:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailscan.nouzelle.com (unknown [172.29.32.10]) by internal02.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB862B0063; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:57:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from internal02.nouzelle.com ([172.29.32.13]) by mailscan.nouzelle.com (mailscan.nouzelle.com [172.29.32.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 98346-04; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:57:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Beowulf (vpn02.witopia.net [38.119.112.189]) by internal02.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48512B0062; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:57:04 +0200 (CEST) From: "Arnoud van Wijk" To: "'Stephane Bortzmeyer'" , "'Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino'" References: <20070722075929.Q46128@lab.smi.sendmail.com> <20070722150209.AE084233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <20070723140714.GA1816@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> In-Reply-To: <20070723140714.GA1816@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:56:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c7cd39$b7840120$268c0360$@nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfNM1jJRx/fRTbOTayoLqRXvEFMGAABlBFw Content-Language: nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nouzelle.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.599 required=3 tests=AWL, BAYES_00 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org You don't know..have you already had any cookies today? :-) Arnoud A. T. van Wijk AnnieS http://www.annies.nl/content/inEnglish/home.asp Mobile textphone (SIP): arnoud.vanwijk@annies.nl > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer+ietf@nic.fr] > Sent: maandag 23 juli 2007 9:07 > To: Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino > Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] room net connectivity > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 12:02:09AM +0900, > Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote > a message of 15 lines which said: > > > there seem to be some issue with http cookie or something, i guess. > > There always issues with cookies at IETF meetings. > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 10:58:14 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICzMT-00012l-UR; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:58:13 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICzMS-00012c-1y for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:58:12 -0400 Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com ([128.222.32.20]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICzMM-0007Jw-Lg for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:58:11 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (uraeus.lss.emc.com [10.254.144.14]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id l6NEw5Q5007621; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com (corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com [10.254.64.53]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id l6NEvW0m027392; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:58:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Black_David@emc.com Received: from CORPUSMX20A.corp.emc.com ([128.221.62.12]) by corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:58:02 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] trains and things Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:58:01 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17506.1185200264@marajade.sandelman.ca> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] trains and things Thread-Index: AcfNNEa/4wLkT8uhRX2g6meefGMT4wAAozzw References: <5C46C0918C867B4090C18D62C83563B80390502F@emailcorp2.jnpr.net> <17506.1185200264@marajade.sandelman.ca> To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2007 14:58:02.0224 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDDA2700:01C7CD39] X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.1.298604, Antispam-Data: 2007.7.6.21134 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=, SPAM=2%, Reason='EMC_FROM_0+ -3, __LINES_OF_YELLING! 0.25, NO_REAL_NAME 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __IMS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a2c12dacc0736f14d6b540e805505a86 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Train watching/riding thoughts in Chicago: - CTA Brown Line (Ravenswood El). If you ride one El line, this is the one to choose - it's a classic Chicago El that twists through alleys and backyards, with the final few stations at ground level (one of several places where a CTA 3rd rail transit line has grade crossings). - There's a fair amount of rail freight infrastructure visible from the CTA Orange Line (to Midway), as it was built on railroad right-of-ways for the most part. Aside from using the Loop, the Orange Line is all new construction. - For more El experiences, the Green Line (both west and south), the Pink Line and the north portion of the Red (or Purple) Line are all elevateds. The Blue Line (both west and northwest) and the south (Dan Ryan) portion of the Red Line are mostly center-of-freeway. - Pick a bridge over the tracks a few blocks south of Union station to see the commuter trains. Rush hour is impressive. - I'd suggest riding the Skokie Swift (CTA Yellow Line) as the last real remaining piece of the North Shore (CNS&M) interurban, but the CTA upgraded it a few years ago to eliminate the at- speed change-over from third-rail to overhead wire (and v.v.). - For a serious dose of rail freight operation, BRC (Belt Railway of Chicago) Clearing Yard is located just south of Midway Airport. Take a CTA 54B bus south from the Midway terminal of the Orange Line, and "you can't miss it" ;-).=20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_Railway_of_Chicago#Clearing_Yard FYI, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Richardson [mailto:mcr@xelerance.com]=20 > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 10:18 AM > To: 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [69ATTENDEES] trains and things >=20 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 >=20 > I kept hearing "rain" at the "downtown chicago" restaurant. > Then I kept remembering, and looked up to see a model traim go around > above my head. >=20 > I intend to spend some time riding the rails... I wonder if anyone has > any recommendations on places to see... obviously, I'll go around the > loop at least once. >=20 > I noticed on the van ride in, (I decided not to take CTA,=20 > since I don't > much like buses. Ottawa's "award winning" bus-rapid-transit=20 > system, run, > by Occational Transpo, has turned me off bus transit...) I=20 > noticed that > there are still some actual downtown-ish factory looking places with > active rail hoppers outside them. >=20 > I also notice a van on the highway: http://www.weirdchicago.com/ > "Join Us for The Best of the Windy City's Haunted Places,=20 > Crime Spots > & Weird Sites! " > says the web site. I might. >=20 > - --=20 > ] Bear: "Me, I'm just the shape of a bear." =20 > | firewalls [ > ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON =20 > |net architect[ > ] mcr@xelerance.com =20 > http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device driver[ > ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking,=20 > security guy"); [ >=20 >=20 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Finger me for keys >=20 > iQEVAwUBRqQu3ICLcPvd0N1lAQLgOAgApc1h9IjlW1EsieW17YMNpTSJ98twtOhQ > fFWCu4uOWpSdCdA/0+u3NoquKKFz25oUEpqUXPQG6vGrvZ9gi5mYr3rGzUn6XVjK > QUtScOBWRBhPwcEn2ZG837xGY299+VWfPDjebIKJ2+//KHBZZH6HQvdmq9fm90Mv > zCkK7/y1IwSc9Hy/cP7At9XhSXcMDjzIncVwlkjl/gpnsmj/+UnDsY3A0Nv9rPTY > YGp8nySgH1pbeg/J0sLkqFDVlB0NYEJUcx6/MbYBb+WioZVtLPKZT+ASspQFQSq2 > 69qiLeJi5D7Ozi2dFdX1vQJd2+xvWSA4YFw445J2v/aioI98c0Y+6g=3D=3D > =3DlVps > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 11:03:03 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICzR7-0006Zi-FO; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:03:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICzR6-0006Zc-8k for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:03:00 -0400 Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de ([2001:638:708:30c9:209:3dff:fe00:7136] helo=informatik.uni-bremen.de) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICzR4-0000BT-Jq for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:03:00 -0400 Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NF2g7k012002; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:02:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.129.86.108] (unknown [130.129.86.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471F65DA5; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:02:40 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <46A49C39.6020904@ripe.net> References: <46A49C39.6020904@ripe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <911E04A7-6DCF-4D2A-8904-49B5D94E3ACC@tzi.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Carsten Bormann Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:02:27 -0500 To: Henk Uijterwaal X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 23 2007, at 07:16, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > I came in through Cincinnatti and it took me less than 10 minutes > to get > through immigration. The problem with the US border control is not that it is more or less painful most of the time; I expect pain from that as much as I expect pain from the flight itself. The problem is that the authorities act in a random, *unpredictable*, and *unreasonable* way when they want to create a problem. This makes the US a precarious place to meet. The fact that some people are for all intents and purposes excluded from US meetings by random red tape (being born in the wrong country, various entirely avoidable problems with physical passports) does not help either. Gruesse, Carsten PS.: My "immigration" experience this time was unproblematic, once I had gotten through the nearly non-moving lines. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 11:15:58 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICzdb-0004dG-RA; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:15:55 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICzda-0004au-Lf for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:15:54 -0400 Received: from smtp.iptel.org ([213.192.59.67] helo=mail.iptel.org) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICzda-0007fN-7J for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:15:54 -0400 Received: from uk1lt10071.iptel.org (shell.iptel.org [213.192.59.74]) by mail.iptel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1F218111E8; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:15:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:15:42 +0200 To: Carsten Bormann ,Henk Uijterwaal From: Jiri Kuthan Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US In-Reply-To: <911E04A7-6DCF-4D2A-8904-49B5D94E3ACC@tzi.org> References: <46A49C39.6020904@ripe.net> <911E04A7-6DCF-4D2A-8904-49B5D94E3ACC@tzi.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <20070723151554.AD1F218111E8@mail.iptel.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sometimes it begins even earlier: my fellow employees with Romanian passport living in Germany have been denied visa on thr grounds of not having shown sufficient ties to their country of residence. (For some reason immigration authorities didn't consider the massive quantity of running code they have contributed :-)) Which would indeed speak for an alignment (despite I personally like the US as place for IETF meetings and haven't experienced anything unprofessional or unpleasant other than queues after all the years). -jiri At 17:02 23/07/2007, Carsten Bormann wrote: >On Jul 23 2007, at 07:16, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > >>I came in through Cincinnatti and it took me less than 10 minutes >>to get >>through immigration. > >The problem with the US border control is not that it is more or less >painful most of the time; I expect pain from that as much as I expect >pain from the flight itself. > >The problem is that the authorities act in a random, *unpredictable*, >and *unreasonable* way when they want to create a problem. > >This makes the US a precarious place to meet. > >The fact that some people are for all intents and purposes excluded >from US meetings by random red tape (being born in the wrong country, >various entirely avoidable problems with physical passports) does not >help either. > >Gruesse, Carsten > >PS.: My "immigration" experience this time was unproblematic, once I >had gotten through the nearly non-moving lines. > > >_______________________________________________ >69ATTENDEES mailing list >69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees -- Jiri Kuthan http://iptel.org/~jiri/ _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 11:44:51 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID05Y-00004x-2l; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:44:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID05W-0008WV-Ue for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:44:46 -0400 Received: from grymling.conjury.org ([69.12.155.90] helo=mta.conjury.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID05V-0001Mk-In for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:44:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta.conjury.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A76448757 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta.conjury.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (grymling.conjury.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20866-01 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.86.114] (unknown [130.129.86.114]) by mta.conjury.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A2B448731 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <46A496B2.50607@gmail.com> References: <016201c7ccbf$3e394930$11158182@w2lan.cesnet.cz> <20070722214429.P46128@lab.smi.sendmail.com> <46A496B2.50607@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: james woodyatt Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:44:25 -0500 To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at conjury.org X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 23, 2007, at 06:53, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>> Turns out I forgot to say the magic word: "meeting". They >>> thought I was going to do actual work during my visit, and they >>> didn't like that. > > I know the IETF isn't a conference, but "Internet conference" usually > ensures no further questions. However, it's highly variable; I've > even been > asked to show my company ID badge once or twice. The last time I went to Vancouver, B.C. for another standards meeting, there was a conference of weapon systems developers in the same hotel. The Canadian passport control people questioned me pretty thoroughly until they figured out which meeting I was attending. It wasn't clear at the time why they were so interested. It was only later, when I started chatting with people in the hotel bar, that it all became apparent. -- j h woodyatt _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 11:52:44 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID0DB-00011y-8x; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:52:41 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID0D9-00011s-Ku for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:52:39 -0400 Received: from smtp2.smtp.bt.com ([217.32.164.150]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID0D9-0000NJ-1d for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:52:39 -0400 Received: from E03MVZ4-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.30.64]) by smtp2.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:18:31 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:18:42 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Thread-Index: AcfMw3WB7C1IfmkEQdiWwHSpUUVRsgAeAWwA From: To: <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2007 15:18:31.0149 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA5939D0:01C7CD3C] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1b0e72ff1bbd457ceef31828f216a86 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I also got hauled through to secondary immigration checks (because of brand-new passport supposedly). The immigration officer escorting me round wouldn't tell me what was going on. I was taken to fetch my luggage, taken to customs, sent back to secondary immigration. However once I got to secondary it took about 5 minutes to get stamped in. I then got fast-tracked through to a customs officer who was meant to do a full search of my suitcase. He was the one who explained what was going on, he barely looked in my suitcase, was extremely polite and I was on my way in under 5 minutes. In total, apart from causing me a certain amount of worry (no matter that I knew I was not guilty of anything), the process hardly delayed me more than anyone else on the flight. Worst bit was the 45 minute queue before we even got to the immigration desks (compounded by the fact that as soon as our plane landed half the immigration officers seemed to go off duty...). Oh, and incidentally, according to http://www.arkko.com/tools/stats/d-countryeudistr.html Europe accounts for nearly as much IETF activity as the US (so there is no valid argument to my mind to holding half of all IETF meetings in North America)... Toby=20 -----Original Message----- From: Yoav Nir [mailto:ynir@checkpoint.com]=20 Sent: 23 July 2007 01:50 To: 69attendees@ietf.org; Michal Krsek Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US The IETF can't tell the TSA or DHS what to do, but it can decide to hold its meetings elsewhere. US immigration is sometimes quick (I've passed it in 10 minutes in DC two years ago) and sometimes slow, but it's always more intrusive than practically any other country. The problem is that I think a majority of the attendees live and work in the US, so always holding it in Europe is not the answer either, although you and I would have liked that. I guess that's why a lot of meetings happen in Canada: close to the US for the US people, but you can skip US immigration with a direct flight. On Jul 22, 2007, at 7:20 PM, Michal Krsek wrote: > Hi Jordi, > >> It seems that the controls are going worst and actually getting=20 >> really annoying. I was stuck in 4 different controls, taking me more=20 >> than >> 4 hours >> since the flight landed until being able to come to the hotel. > > seems strange for me. I've entered US in Atlanta and have to say I've=20 > got only two questions: > > a) Trip purpose > b) Length of the stay > > Passed all the queues in about 20 minutes (including 15 minutes of=20 > waiting for my luggage). > > This has to be shortest immigration pass in my history (last time I've > spent about 20 minutes talking to immigration officer about my t-shirt > - there has been USS Missouri on it and he has been on board during WW > 2nd). > >> If this is the situation we are going to have in the next meetings=20 >> and this is happening to more and more people as I've been told=20 >> today, definitively, US *MUST* be excluded for any next meetings, as=20 >> this is totally unacceptable. > > I'm not ure if IETF/ISOC has so much power to talk to TSA nor DHS. > > I have to say that if immigration control will go same way for a=20 > while, I'll not be asked about anything during my next visit :-) > > Regards > Michal > > P.S: BTW I'd like to see IETF meeting in Spain - would you like act as > local volunteer? > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 12:27:26 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID0km-0006ND-C0; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:27:24 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID0kl-0006KV-7S for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:27:23 -0400 Received: from smtpb.juniper.net ([207.17.137.119]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID0kk-0001V6-UZ for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:27:23 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO gamma.jnpr.net) ([172.24.245.25]) by smtpb.juniper.net with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2007 09:27:22 -0700 Received: from emailcorp2.jnpr.net ([66.129.254.12]) by gamma.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:27:22 -0700 Received: from emailcorp3.jnpr.net ([66.129.254.13]) by emailcorp2.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:26:57 -0700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:26:55 -0700 Message-ID: <7FA0C743C38E5340BFC2873488FA1E8E3C491D@emailcorp3.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Thread-Index: AcfMw3WB7C1IfmkEQdiWwHSpUUVRsgAeAWwAAAKn0KA= From: "Nitin Bahadur" To: , <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2007 16:26:57.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[49D30740:01C7CD46] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org =20 > I also got hauled through to secondary immigration checks (because of > brand-new passport supposedly). I hold an Indian passport and I was held up once at immigration in India. Why -> A new passport issued in San Francisco !! _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 12:33:58 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID0r7-0004Wx-HC; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:33:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID0r6-0004RS-4V for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:33:56 -0400 Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com ([135.245.0.33]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID0r4-0002rN-Sp for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:33:56 -0400 Received: from ilexp03.ndc.lucent.com (h135-3-39-50.lucent.com [135.3.39.50]) by ihemail1.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id l6NGXiAD015627 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:33:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DEEXP01.de.lucent.com ([135.248.187.65]) by ilexp03.ndc.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:33:48 -0500 Received: from DEEXC1U02.de.lucent.com ([135.248.187.30]) by DEEXP01.de.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:33:47 +0200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:33:42 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Thread-Index: AcfMw3WB7C1IfmkEQdiWwHSpUUVRsgAeAWwAAALdItA= References: From: "Wijnen, Bert \(Bert\)" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2007 16:33:47.0627 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E6113B0:01C7CD47] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.33 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org For the record: > I also got hauled through to secondary immigration checks=20 > (because of brand-new passport supposedly). >=20 Same for me. They did not tell me (or admit when I asked) if it was because of just having gotten a new passport, but in that line for secondary check there were lots of people with a new passport, so I think that was the reason. It did not bother me much, but it was an extra 20 minutes or so of extra waiting time. Bert _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 14:06:27 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2Ib-0003hR-L3; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:06:25 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2Ia-0003gm-SH for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:06:24 -0400 Received: from tls.sendmail.com ([209.246.26.40] helo=foon.sendmail.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2Ia-0004g4-8C for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:06:24 -0400 Received: from lab.smi.sendmail.com ([10.210.100.93]) by foon.sendmail.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id l6NI95pZ028257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:09:06 -0700 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v1.0.0 foon.sendmail.com l6NI95pZ028257 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sendmail.com; s=tls.dkim; t=1185214147; bh=Wm6fatdq9iH1ByAyD+qvI3A7lpfkFLBHo4lb0Z /o1OE=; h=X-DomainKeys:DomainKey-Signature:Received:Received: X-Authentication-Warning:Date:From:X-X-Sender:To:Subject: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GCo mcuBg6fxRV100cB+dcbBnXP1Id/C5TXekhmqmEXKylmQs2x0UEcPBmte0wyx78DwNuS 5yrOWt0cqP7mFabtvZquezbBy8QMDhya9v60k3z7VUZolviBqX9XyJTaBD/InD8llqY IP9g0P0tTxJ5dQlezf6j+FjA/DEDc91ydA= X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v0.6.0 foon.sendmail.com l6NI95pZ028257 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=tls; d=sendmail.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=received:received:x-authentication-warning:date:from: x-x-sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type; b=plNzAqfWMHWXP1mrV2arlUNqQ2ZY5tfeRk9vEDew26h9CvtePLJ0gqMDMoMwRvJOV 2P2fEha5zjM107t/vY5XAu/kuZeQ2cVqXuJ4Jx/DN3BPY19YBewKtPiSeJqgNWqA+Nf 2BTW0l/LCYOqiKY5k2vcjVNVfz+fiYpXfPobmF8= Received: from lab.smi.sendmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lab.smi.sendmail.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6NI6F1m008948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:06:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msk@sendmail.com) Received: from localhost (msk@localhost) by lab.smi.sendmail.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) with ESMTP id l6NI6FDW008945 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:06:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msk@sendmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: lab.smi.sendmail.com: msk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:06:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" X-X-Sender: msk@lab.smi.sendmail.com To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070723110004.W3846@lab.smi.sendmail.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org One time I was crossing into the US at O'Hare from London and I (a Canadian holding a work permit) presented all my required paperwork to the agent. He looked at it all and looked at me with a blank, vaguely sad, expression. I said "You have to look at this, verify it looks legit, then write this number on the back of that, stamp that, tear this section off, staple it to my passport, stamp my passport, and tell me I can go." He said "Thanks," complied, and sent me on my way. This is not at all relevant to IETF but I just had to get in on the wash of immigration stories since that seems to be what this list is for this trip... -MSK _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 14:17:02 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2Sr-0003nH-IH; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:17:01 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2Sq-0003mU-Rr for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:17:00 -0400 Received: from usaga01-in.huawei.com ([206.16.17.211]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2Sq-00051g-AW for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:17:00 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (usaga01-in [172.18.4.6]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JLN00FOB9G9Q0@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s73602 (dhcp-12bc.ietf69.org [130.129.18.188]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JLN00EUX9G620@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:13:51 -0500 From: Spencer Dawkins Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US To: 69attendees@ietf.org Message-id: <0d9b01c7cd55$3935f460$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20070723110004.W3846@lab.smi.sendmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org With apologies to Obi-wan... > One time I was crossing into the US at O'Hare from London and I (a > Canadian holding a work permit) presented all my required paperwork to the > agent. He looked at it all and looked at me with a blank, vaguely sad, > expression. > > I said "You have to look at this, verify it looks legit, then write this > number on the back of that, stamp that, tear this section off, staple it > to my passport, stamp my passport, and tell me I can go." > > He said "Thanks," complied, and sent me on my way. > > This is not at all relevant to IETF but I just had to get in on the wash > of immigration stories since that seems to be what this list is for this > trip... > > -MSK I have to ask whether other people who have experienced visa/entry problems coming into the United States have tried the "Jedi Mind Trick" that seemed to work very well in this case. "These are not the droids you are looking for ... you don't need to see their identity papers ... tell them they can go ..." Thanks for the smile. I feel like I've been living in a science fiction movie for the last five years, and this further confirms that suspicion. Spencer, who would be absolutely thrilled if we never met in the United States again and would even be willing to go to Montreal in November if it meant that we could actually meet with the people who want to attend and can't. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 14:45:29 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2uM-0000V3-8k; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:45:26 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2uL-0000Ux-19 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:45:25 -0400 Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([158.38.152.233]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2uK-0005um-Eb for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:45:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B652E2596D7; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:45:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23304-04; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:45:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.28.172.61] (dhcp-1104.ietf69.org [130.129.17.4]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9118125808E; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:45:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:44:00 -0500 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ , 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US Message-ID: <1039B8FE12FDB06145CC2535@htat43p-no.corp.google.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.7 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Yes, the queues are bad, and random. I'm, however, much more worried about the number of people that can't get to the meeting because the visa processing is taking a completely unpredictable amount of time. This time, the co-chair of one of my groups has not received an answer to his visa application in time to make the trip. Harald --On 22. juli 2007 18:50 -0500 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > Hi all, > > I've talked with a few people during the welcome reception and got the > feeling that several had been under the same situation with the > immigration when arriving to US this time. > > It seems that the controls are going worst and actually getting really > annoying. I was stuck in 4 different controls, taking me more than 4 hours > since the flight landed until being able to come to the hotel. > > Note that I'm a regular visitor to US for different kind of meetings, in > fact I've been here already 3 times this year, so I don't think there is > any valid reason to become suddenly a "suspicious subject" and having to > pass all those extra controls at least not in a so slow process. > > If this is the situation we are going to have in the next meetings and > this is happening to more and more people as I've been told today, > definitively, US *MUST* be excluded for any next meetings, as this is > totally > unacceptable. > > I will like to know how many folks have been this time under this > situation. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 14:48:39 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2xS-0002B2-U8; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:48:38 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2xR-0001yI-0u for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:48:37 -0400 Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net ([69.17.117.3]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2xQ-00061J-Ij for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:48:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 28999 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2007 18:48:35 -0000 Received: from dhcp-103b.ietf69.org (HELO [130.129.16.59]) (federico@[130.129.16.59]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 23 Jul 2007 18:48:35 -0000 Message-ID: <46A4F803.80002@acm.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:48:35 -0400 From: Federico Lucifredi User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US References: <20070723110004.W3846@lab.smi.sendmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20070723110004.W3846@lab.smi.sendmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I have to second Murray's comment, lets move on to another subject -- and I am not an unsympathetic US citizen, I am on a visa myself. Best -F Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > One time I was crossing into the US at O'Hare from London and I (a > Canadian holding a work permit) presented all my required paperwork to > the agent. He looked at it all and looked at me with a blank, vaguely > sad, expression. > > I said "You have to look at this, verify it looks legit, then write this > number on the back of that, stamp that, tear this section off, staple it > to my passport, stamp my passport, and tell me I can go." > > He said "Thanks," complied, and sent me on my way. > > This is not at all relevant to IETF but I just had to get in on the wash > of immigration stories since that seems to be what this list is for this > trip... > > -MSK > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees -- _________________________________________ -- "'Problem' is a bleak word for challenge" - Richard Fish (Federico L. Lucifredi) - http://www.lucifredi.com _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 15:03:04 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID3BP-0008CJ-Ee; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:03:03 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID3BP-0008CE-3S for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:03:03 -0400 Received: from deimos.multihop.net ([74.0.36.190] helo=multihop.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID3BO-0007xH-KL for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:03:03 -0400 Received: by deimos.multihop.net (Postfix, from userid 1013) id 1BB368ABA81; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:03:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on deimos.multihop.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Received: from [130.129.19.128] (dhcp-1380.ietf69.org [130.129.19.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by deimos.multihop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA368ABA64 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46A4FB22.4020407@kniveton.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:01:54 -0500 From: "T.J. Kniveton" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Great job by secretariat and Hilton on reconfiguring room X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org During the autoconf working group today, there were about 30 people spilling into the hallway who were trying to hear the presenter and watch the slides. Before: http://people.nokia.net/~tj/ietf69/07232007034.jpg I approached the assistant director of conference facilities for the Palmer House nearby, and she rapidly mobilized about six employees, along with two IETF secretariat members who came by, and they rapidly and unobtrusively removed the wall between rooms so that everyone could participate in the meeting. The meeting continued uninterrupted. After: http://people.nokia.net/~tj/ietf69/07232007035.jpg Great job! and thanks, TJ P.S. note for IETF70.. Please request a large room for autoconf! :-) _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 15:26:11 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID3Xl-00074u-1a; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:26:09 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID3Xi-00074V-WA for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:26:07 -0400 Received: from owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.68.129]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID3Xi-0007rE-Dm for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:26:06 -0400 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NJPuLK017219 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:25:56 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.189]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NJPjEM007939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:25:46 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l6NJPjMt031091 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:25:45 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l6NJPjpX031090 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:25:45 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:25:45 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Great job by secretariat and Hilton on reconfiguring room Message-ID: <20070723192545.GG29612@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <46A4FB22.4020407@kniveton.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46A4FB22.4020407@kniveton.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Null-Tag: e2c1f9bc747d0ce36154a2ae80a68089 X-Null-Tag: 93e5b5b9b24edf0dc0196ec21295db5d X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 02:01:54PM -0500, T.J. Kniveton wrote: > > P.S. note for IETF70.. Please request a large room for autoconf! :-) Isn't that down to the number of names on the blue sheets (in which case be sure they're filled in :) or is there more to the space allocation algorithm? -- Tim _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 16:11:59 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID4G0-0004VE-ST; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:11:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID4Fz-0004Rt-C6 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:11:51 -0400 Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net ([69.17.117.7]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID4Fy-000203-I5 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:11:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 2050 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2007 20:11:49 -0000 Received: from dhcp-103b.ietf69.org (HELO [130.129.16.59]) (federico@[130.129.16.59]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 23 Jul 2007 20:11:49 -0000 Message-ID: <46A50B85.2030208@acm.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:11:49 -0400 From: Federico Lucifredi User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Chown Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Great job by secretariat and Hilton on reconfiguring room References: <46A4FB22.4020407@kniveton.com> <20070723192545.GG29612@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20070723192545.GG29612@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org All those autoconf groupies! my back is still hurting. Best -Federico Tim Chown wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 02:01:54PM -0500, T.J. Kniveton wrote: >> P.S. note for IETF70.. Please request a large room for autoconf! :-) > > Isn't that down to the number of names on the blue sheets (in which > case be sure they're filled in :) or is there more to the space > allocation algorithm? > -- _________________________________________ -- "'Problem' is a bleak word for challenge" - Richard Fish (Federico L. Lucifredi) - http://www.lucifredi.com _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 16:43:00 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID4k4-0000Fh-KW; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:42:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID4k3-0000Fc-Kj for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:42:55 -0400 Received: from deimos.multihop.net ([74.0.36.190] helo=multihop.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID4k3-00039t-9Z for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:42:55 -0400 Received: by deimos.multihop.net (Postfix, from userid 1013) id BC0FF8AB9DD; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:42:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on deimos.multihop.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Received: from [130.129.19.128] (dhcp-1380.ietf69.org [130.129.19.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by deimos.multihop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CD38AB821 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46A512C7.4090802@kniveton.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:42:47 -0500 From: "T.J. Kniveton" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Great job by secretariat and Hilton on reconfiguring room References: <46A4FB22.4020407@kniveton.com> <88ac5c710707231229yf85d733k5eb26d4529d56b5f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88ac5c710707231229yf85d733k5eb26d4529d56b5f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org > Isn't that down to the number of names on the blue sheets (in which > case be sure they're filled in :) or is there more to the space > allocation algorithm? The number of expected attendees is a (required) field in the session request tool. Past blue sheets are a good guide. And yes, the chairs did check that everyone at the meeting had signed the blue sheets today. http://www.ietf.org/instructions/session_request_tool_instruction.html Apparently, MANEMO and related topics turned out to be more popular than expected. Maybe we should have just charged admission at the door. TJ _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 16:44:23 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID4lT-0001Xg-KY; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:44:23 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID4lS-0001U6-2N for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:44:22 -0400 Received: from yui.nc.u-tokyo.ac.jp ([130.69.251.116]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID4lR-0001ul-Bo for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:44:21 -0400 Received: from [130.129.80.253] ([130.129.80.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by yui.nc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.12.10/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id l6NKiG1o028654; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 05:44:18 +0900 In-Reply-To: <46A4FB22.4020407@kniveton.com> References: <46A4FB22.4020407@kniveton.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1E51DCD0-B4AC-498C-BA2E-AB62605A07BC@sfc.wide.ad.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ryuji Wakikawa Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Great job by secretariat and Hilton on reconfiguring room Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:44:15 -0500 To: "T.J. Kniveton" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thanks TJ for your action, too! ryuji On 2007/07/23, at 14:01, T.J. Kniveton wrote: > During the autoconf working group today, there were about 30 people > spilling into the hallway who were trying to hear the presenter and > watch the slides. > > Before: http://people.nokia.net/~tj/ietf69/07232007034.jpg > > I approached the assistant director of conference facilities for > the Palmer House nearby, and she rapidly mobilized about six > employees, along with two IETF secretariat members who came by, and > they rapidly and unobtrusively removed the wall between rooms so > that everyone could participate in the meeting. The meeting > continued uninterrupted. > > After: http://people.nokia.net/~tj/ietf69/07232007035.jpg > > Great job! and thanks, > > TJ > > P.S. note for IETF70.. Please request a large room for autoconf! :-) > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 23 17:03:41 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID541-00070V-67; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:03:33 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID53y-0006js-Sv for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:03:30 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.226]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID53x-0003cd-5u for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:03:30 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h27so1532649wxd for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:03:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z8tj/pimIQFHnU2nmScTr2iF0mxTKBNUabmZxvFckxdSu7AIq0pL0indjBNZ1xWYF/l33mzQ/UTAbXtwirByH6Hib1e26okCJ+2FfVixt19OkIzQLi8Gs8oTn6+QKJKNqlfdWUZVa3S5tnTiU9EuTSVXhU3fX/wAWq5MTZ1KAI8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FEQK+u2mnplZnTFcmYe8QoCg59kflb6F5bf32LSP/f5g+LsfkA2QbPBvYWVYVehLhsVmPnYbFo370ZYBALJWdifD36CCbnOq07vm4JPv/p2M8dOiQIYIkksGs4Iq4EbXeb7Y2C/inhtVB3rg450XvKuU42XkfpuzvZTUYgpks/Q= Received: by 10.70.44.18 with SMTP id r18mr6227897wxr.1185224608798; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.42.15 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:33:28 +0530 From: Shubhranshu To: "Tim Chown" Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Great job by secretariat and Hilton on reconfiguring room In-Reply-To: <20070723192545.GG29612@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46A4FB22.4020407@kniveton.com> <20070723192545.GG29612@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 7/24/07, Tim Chown wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 02:01:54PM -0500, T.J. Kniveton wrote: > > > > P.S. note for IETF70.. Please request a large room for autoconf! :-) > > Isn't that down to the number of names on the blue sheets (in which > case be sure they're filled in :) or is there more to the space > allocation algorithm? > If one checks the past attendance (on the blue sheets) of the Autoconf WG meetings then one realizes that there were some extra seats in the room than expected. Thanks to TJ, Secretariat and Hilton folks for their quick action. - Shubhranshu > -- > Tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 10:46:24 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLeY-00069E-A1; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:46:22 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLeW-00068t-4S for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:46:20 -0400 Received: from e32.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.150]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLeV-0003nj-QS for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:46:20 -0400 Received: from d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.106]) by e32.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6ODeNdu026902 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:40:23 -0400 Received: from d03av03.boulder.ibm.com (d03av03.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.169]) by d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v8.4) with ESMTP id l6OEkIjg192892 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:46:18 -0600 Received: from d03av03.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av03.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6OEkIZa017739 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:46:18 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: d03av03.boulder.ibm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/mqueue/active* X-Authentication-Warning: d03av03.boulder.ibm.com: Processed by postman with -C /relay/etc/sendmail.cf-deliver Received: from poplar (poplar.watson.ibm.com [9.2.40.57]) by d03av03.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6OEkICm017726 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:46:18 -0600 Received: from wecm-9-67-200-236.wecm.ibm.com ([9.67.200.236]) by poplar.watson.ibm.com (IMF.2005.07.16.1050.haw) with SMTP ID IMFd1185288386.2203; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:46:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:46:16 -0400 From: Barry Leiba To: 69attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <2DAE7917D6D97DC5A972F1BE@Uranus.local> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] I can't hear you! X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org We probably get a very good deal from hotels that are under noisy construction. It's a false economy. I suggest that we not arrange meetings in hotels that are in intermediate stages of renovation. Barry _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 10:47:50 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLfx-0007Eb-Nm; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:47:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLfw-0007E5-UT for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:47:48 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLfv-0000Rd-J5 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:47:48 -0400 Received: from [130.129.21.168] ([130.129.87.211]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l6OEljsL068765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:47:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:47:35 -0500 To: 69attendees@ietf.org From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Grand ballroom and jackhammer X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org WGs that are meeting in the Grand Ballroom should be aware that there is a jackhammer being used just outside the room. Your speakers will need to speak really loudly, but even then, lots of information is being lost. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 10:51:14 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLjF-0002dK-BG; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:51:13 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLjE-0002dD-A4 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:51:12 -0400 Received: from monster.hopcount.ca ([199.212.90.4]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLjD-0003v4-Up for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:51:12 -0400 Received: from [130.129.84.128] by monster.hopcount.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IDLlg-000CD6-OA; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:53:45 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <21212DF9-AAE5-47A1-90ED-AD65874FEBCD@ca.afilias.info> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Grand ballroom and jackhammer Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:51:06 -0500 To: Paul Hoffman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 24-Jul-2007, at 09:47, Paul Hoffman wrote: > WGs that are meeting in the Grand Ballroom should be aware that > there is a jackhammer being used just outside the room. Your > speakers will need to speak really loudly, but even then, lots of > information is being lost. In an ideal world someone would ask the jackhammers to stop during meeting slots. Joe _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 10:54:23 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLmH-0004R4-Gi; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:54:21 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLmF-0004Qj-Hb for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:54:20 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLmF-0003xm-8M for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:54:19 -0400 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Jul 2007 10:54:16 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAPyupUZAZnmf/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,574,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="126880192:sNHT8410927774" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6OEsFG6021440 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:54:15 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6OErhWu018201 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:54:15 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:54:08 -0400 Received: from [130.129.17.206] ([10.86.240.94]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:54:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <547D07B4-E158-4C1B-82DA-79E0FC79386E@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ralph Droms Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Grand ballroom and jackhammer Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:54:23 -0400 To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2007 14:54:08.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CC80C10:01C7CE02] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=546; t=1185288855; x=1186152855; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=rdroms@cisco.com; z=From:=20Ralph=20Droms=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[69ATTENDEES]=20Grand=20ballroom=20and=20jackhammer |Sender:=20 |To:=2069attendees@ietf.org; bh=yN3oH0PyskchUu1MHgESgflEJMHe69hnPq/5i6vtfME=; b=ng7Pi2fm5rW8HcNANk4aGa8iK7gASf7Cf2h/J/Ux1oF00J7uHRGsszsfGXZ7yT27zaHh036d xuEmkn2jRQLsTTSGIIn/9ZiKEzGyPjQrjDGYyGVvlnbk9FNnHMkKfl/R; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=rdroms@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ditto for Crystal. - Ralph On Jul 24, 2007, at Jul 24, 2007,10:47 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > WGs that are meeting in the Grand Ballroom should be aware that > there is a jackhammer being used just outside the room. Your > speakers will need to speak really loudly, but even then, lots of > information is being lost. > > --Paul Hoffman, Director > --VPN Consortium > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 10:55:12 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLn6-0004nw-H6; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:55:12 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLn4-0004nh-AC for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:55:10 -0400 Received: from homer.w3.org ([128.30.52.30]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLn4-0003yT-1w for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:55:10 -0400 Received: from raktajino.does-not-exist.org (homer.w3.org [128.30.52.30]) by homer.w3.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8D74EFF8; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roessler by raktajino.does-not-exist.org with local (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1IDLn3-0005t7-D4; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:55:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:55:09 -0500 From: Thomas Roessler To: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Grand ballroom and jackhammer Message-ID: <20070724145509.GH17655@raktajino.does-not-exist.org> Mail-Followup-To: Joe Abley , Paul Hoffman , 69attendees@ietf.org References: <21212DF9-AAE5-47A1-90ED-AD65874FEBCD@ca.afilias.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <21212DF9-AAE5-47A1-90ED-AD65874FEBCD@ca.afilias.info> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-07-16) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 2007-07-24 09:51:06 -0500, Joe Abley wrote: > In an ideal world someone would ask the jackhammers to stop > during meeting slots. Guess what, a number of people have tried that. Allegedly, the hotel is trying to locate where that jackhammer is operating to make it stop (which seems to have happened just now); I don't know why that's apparently a non-trivial exercise. Cheers, -- Thomas Roessler, W3C +33-4-89063488 _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 10:59:37 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLrL-00008K-EO; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:59:35 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLrK-000089-Ux for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:59:34 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLrK-00043X-Ie for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:59:34 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F989198667; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:59:33 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266B9198680; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:59:31 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <46A613C6.8000502@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:59:18 -0500 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Grand ballroom and jackhammer References: <21212DF9-AAE5-47A1-90ED-AD65874FEBCD@ca.afilias.info> In-Reply-To: <21212DF9-AAE5-47A1-90ED-AD65874FEBCD@ca.afilias.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org State Ballroom was also in pretty bad situation. And yes, the secretariat was on this problem in under 15 seconds after it started. As someone said, the hotel staff was trying to locate the jackhammer :-( and that appears to have taken a surprising amount of time. Then again, sound travels in funny ways through structures. The noise has stopped now, maybe they found the source... Jari Joe Abley kirjoitti: > > On 24-Jul-2007, at 09:47, Paul Hoffman wrote: > >> WGs that are meeting in the Grand Ballroom should be aware that there >> is a jackhammer being used just outside the room. Your speakers will >> need to speak really loudly, but even then, lots of information is >> being lost. > > In an ideal world someone would ask the jackhammers to stop during > meeting slots. > > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 11:09:11 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM0a-0000mi-LY; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:09:08 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM0Y-0000mW-Md for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:09:06 -0400 Received: from [66.248.192.39] (helo=repmmg02.bea.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM0X-0000zm-B9 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:09:06 -0400 Received: from repmmr01.bea.com (repmmr01.bea.com [10.160.29.71]) by repmmg02.bea.com (Switch-3.2.7/Switch-3.2.7) with ESMTP id l6OF8lbp021139 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:08:47 -0700 Received: from repbex01.amer.bea.com (repbex01.bea.com [10.160.26.98]) by repmmr01.bea.com (Switch-3.2.7/Switch-3.2.7) with ESMTP id l6OF8jY3002750 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:08:46 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:08:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DHCP Thread-Index: AcfOBIfLL0ze2LSySF+ioHrj3LwOpQ== From: "Eric Burger" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> x-BEA-PMX-Instructions: AV x-BEA-MM: Internal-To-External X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea Subject: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Anyone having trouble acquiring a network address over 802.11? We had massive trouble yesterday in Monroe, and today I'm having trouble in Red Laquer. I can connect to ietf, ietf-a, ietf.1x, and ietf-a.1x, but I cannot acquire an address. Yes, IPv4. -- Sent from my wireless e-mail device. Sorry if terse. We all need lemonade: see for what lemonade is. Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may contain information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and affiliated entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named in this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please immediately return this by email and then delete it. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 11:11:37 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM2w-0001hd-FA; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:11:34 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM2v-0001hU-83 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:11:33 -0400 Received: from firewall-gw-dirty-n.packetdesign.com ([65.87.20.98] helo=mailman.packetdesign.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM2t-00012t-PM for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:11:33 -0400 Received: from packetdesign.com (dns.packetdesign.com [192.168.0.254]) by mailman.packetdesign.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6OFBNwP005701; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:11:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:11:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Casner To: Eric Burger Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070724081038.N1661@kao.packetdesign.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Eric Burger wrote: > Anyone having trouble acquiring a network address over 802.11? We > had massive trouble yesterday in Monroe, and today I'm having > trouble in Red Laquer. I can connect to ietf, ietf-a, ietf.1x, and > ietf-a.1x, but I cannot acquire an address. Yes, IPv4. Yes, sitting in the terminal room, using ietf-a, it took a long time to get an address: DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5 DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 20 DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 16 DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6 DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9 DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9 DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 17 DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.2 DHCPOFFER already seen. DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 13 DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.2 DHCPOFFER already seen. DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 16 DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.2 DHCPOFFER already seen. DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5 DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 16 DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.2 DHCPOFFER already seen. DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPACK from 130.129.80.3 bound to 130.129.82.120 -- renewal in 10800 seconds. -- Steve _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 11:13:59 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM5G-00054d-UM; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:13:58 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM5F-00054U-AW for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:13:57 -0400 Received: from smtp3.andrew.com ([198.135.207.235] helo=andrew.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM5E-0004SS-TL for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:13:57 -0400 X-SEF-Processed: 5_0_0_910__2007_07_24_10_22_23 X-SEF-16EBA1E9-99E8-4E1D-A1CA-4971F5510AF: 1 Received: from aopexbh2.andrew.com [10.86.20.25] by smtp3.andrew.com - SurfControl E-mail Filter (5.2.1); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:22:23 -0500 Received: from AHQEX1.andrew.com ([10.86.20.21]) by aopexbh2.andrew.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:13:56 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:13:59 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Thread-Index: AcfOBIfLL0ze2LSySF+ioHrj3LwOpQAAJ/zA References: From: "Winterbottom, James" To: "Eric Burger" , <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2007 15:13:56.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[40E2EB40:01C7CE05] X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I trouble first up this morning in Red Laquer.=0D=0AA repair and renew seem= ed to fix it though=0D=0A=0D=0ACheers=0D=0AJames=0D=0A=0D=0A> -----Original= Message-----=0D=0A> From: Eric Burger [mailto:eburger@bea.com]=0D=0A> Sent= : Wednesday, 25 July 2007 1:09 AM=0D=0A> To: 69attendees@ietf.org=0D=0A> Su= bject: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> Anyone having trouble acquiring = a network address over 802.11=3F We had=0D=0A> massive trouble yesterday i= n Monroe, and today I'm having trouble in=0D=0ARed=0D=0A> Laquer. 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Any unauthorized use of=0D=0Athis email is prohibited.=0D= =0A------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------=0D=0A[mf2]=0D=0A _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 11:14:50 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM66-00062R-9O; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:14:50 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM65-00062L-Sr for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:14:49 -0400 Received: from fardach.bofh.priv.at ([88.198.34.164] helo=mail.bofh.priv.at) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM64-00016v-GH for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:14:49 -0400 Received: by mail.bofh.priv.at (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E26074C3B6; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:14:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:14:47 +0200 From: Otmar Lendl To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Message-ID: <20070724151447.GA3600@bofh.priv.at> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 2007/07/24 17:07, Eric Burger wrote: > Anyone having trouble acquiring a network address over 802.11? We had > massive trouble yesterday in Monroe, and today I'm having trouble in > Red Laquer. I can connect to ietf, ietf-a, ietf.1x, and ietf-a.1x, but > I cannot acquire an address. Yes, IPv4. > It took a few minutes to get an v4 address in Monroe just now. /ol -- -=- Otmar Lendl -- ol@bofh.priv.at -=- _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 11:15:13 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM6T-0006o1-6d; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:15:13 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM6O-0006nR-J1 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:15:08 -0400 Received: from [203.167.203.10] (helo=enso.acheron.indranet.co.nz) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM6K-00017S-PV for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:15:08 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (IDENT:root@enso.acheron.indranet.co.nz [192.168.1.1]) by enso.acheron.indranet.co.nz (8.9.3-20030919/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04838; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:14:52 +1200 In-Reply-To: <20070724081038.N1661@kao.packetdesign.com> References: <20070724081038.N1661@kao.packetdesign.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5A3F19ED-2EA4-40C2-86DF-34999E63DF76@indranet.co.nz> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew McGregor Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:14:51 -0500 To: Stephen Casner X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I did notice that two of us sitting in the Grand Ballroom got addresses within a second or so, after a delay of a few minutes. Andrew On 24/07/2007, at 10:11 AM, Stephen Casner wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Eric Burger wrote: > >> Anyone having trouble acquiring a network address over 802.11? We >> had massive trouble yesterday in Monroe, and today I'm having >> trouble in Red Laquer. I can connect to ietf, ietf-a, ietf.1x, and >> ietf-a.1x, but I cannot acquire an address. Yes, IPv4. > > Yes, sitting in the terminal room, using ietf-a, it took a long time > to get an address: > > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 20 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 16 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 17 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.2 > DHCPOFFER already seen. > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 13 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.2 > DHCPOFFER already seen. > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 16 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.2 > DHCPOFFER already seen. > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 16 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.2 > DHCPOFFER already seen. > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPACK from 130.129.80.3 > bound to 130.129.82.120 -- renewal in 10800 seconds. > > -- Steve > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 11:15:48 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM72-0008MH-N7; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:15:48 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM71-0008L5-De for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:15:47 -0400 Received: from verilan.com ([70.103.134.18] helo=mail.verilan.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDM6z-0004XI-Ed for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:15:47 -0400 Received: from [130.129.18.25] (dhcp-1219.ietf69.org [130.129.18.25]) by mail.verilan.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08F918410D2; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:14:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20070724081038.N1661@kao.packetdesign.com> References: <20070724081038.N1661@kao.packetdesign.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Morgan Sackett Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:14:29 -0500 To: Stephen Casner X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 14582b0692e7f70ce7111d04db3781c8 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, We are aware of the issues with DHCP and are working through the problem. We will send out an update when we have more information. Morgan On Jul 24, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Stephen Casner wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Eric Burger wrote: > >> Anyone having trouble acquiring a network address over 802.11? We >> had massive trouble yesterday in Monroe, and today I'm having >> trouble in Red Laquer. I can connect to ietf, ietf-a, ietf.1x, and >> ietf-a.1x, but I cannot acquire an address. Yes, IPv4. > > Yes, sitting in the terminal room, using ietf-a, it took a long time > to get an address: > > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 20 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 16 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 17 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.2 > DHCPOFFER already seen. > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 13 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.2 > DHCPOFFER already seen. > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 16 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.2 > DHCPOFFER already seen. > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 16 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.3 > DHCPOFFER from 130.129.80.2 > DHCPOFFER already seen. > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > DHCPACK from 130.129.80.3 > bound to 130.129.82.120 -- renewal in 10800 seconds. > > -- Steve > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > Morgan Sackett VP of Engineering VeriLAN Event Services, Inc. 215 SE Morrison Street Suite 2000F Portland, OR 97214 Tel: 503 224-8822 Fax: 503 224-8833 Cell: 503 969-2154 msackett@verilan.com www.verilan.com This e-mail contains proprietary information and may be confidential. 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X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP From: Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:19:37 +0900 Message-Id: <20070724151937.B5F6A233C5@coconut.itojun.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 01485d64dfa90b45a74269b3ca9d5574 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org good reason to use IPv6 entirely, as long as you have IPv6 DNS server:-P itojun _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 11:20:35 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMBf-0006AA-5N; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:20:35 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMBe-00069w-9r for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:20:34 -0400 Received: from keys.pgpeng.com ([63.251.255.74]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMBd-00056f-PB for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:20:34 -0400 Received: from keys.pgpeng.com (keys.pgpeng.com [127.0.0.1]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal) with ESMTP id A5C002B5F61 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pgpeng.com ([63.251.255.75]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:20:31 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:20:31 -0700 Received: from [63.251.255.74] (account derek HELO keys.pgpeng.com) by pgpeng.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPSA id 1915204 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:20:31 -0700 Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org ([67.97.210.2]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:20:31 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:20:31 -0700 Message-ID: <46A618BD.9060308@pgp.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:20:29 -0400 From: Derek Atkins User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP References: <20070724151447.GA3600@bofh.priv.at> In-Reply-To: <20070724151447.GA3600@bofh.priv.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Otmar Lendl wrote: > On 2007/07/24 17:07, Eric Burger wrote: >> Anyone having trouble acquiring a network address over 802.11? We had >> massive trouble yesterday in Monroe, and today I'm having trouble in >> Red Laquer. I can connect to ietf, ietf-a, ietf.1x, and ietf-a.1x, but >> I cannot acquire an address. Yes, IPv4. >> > > It took a few minutes to get an v4 address in Monroe just now. I was having trouble yesterday. It seems to take a long time just to get the DHCPOFFER, and even then it doesn't seem to always accept the immediate DHCPREQUEST. This was on ietf-a. Has anyone tried talking to the NOC? > /ol -derek -- Derek Atkins Principal Software Engineer PGP Corporation 4 Farragut Ave Somerville, MA 02144 +1 617 623 3745 | warlord@pgp.com PGP Corporation -- Rest Secured.(TM) PGP Fingerprint: 0FEE 5EA1 FF22 E0C9 4FFE 631A 9232 FF93 1C80 1DB7 This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto) by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copies of this email and any attachments thereto. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 11:24:01 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMEy-0008FX-FA; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:24:00 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMEx-0008FS-L0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:23:59 -0400 Received: from discorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.38]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMEx-0001nb-74 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:23:59 -0400 Received: from iseran.local (dhcp-118e.ietf69.org [130.129.17.142]) (authenticated bits=0) by discorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l6OFNqMe011184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:23:54 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:23:53 +0200 From: Thierry Ernst To: "Eric Burger" Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Message-Id: <20070724172353.6daa82ff.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: INRIA X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.3 (GTK+ 2.10.6; powerpc-apple-darwin8.8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at discorde with ID 46A61988.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:08:45 -0700 "Eric Burger" wrote: >Anyone having trouble acquiring a network address over 802.11? We had massive trouble yesterday in Monroe, and today I'm having trouble in Red Laquer. I can connect to ietf, ietf-a, ietf.1x, and ietf-a.1x, but I cannot acquire an address. Yes, IPv4. Got the last one. I'm selling it on eBay ;-) Thierry. -- The coming end of the IPv4 world: http://penrose.uk6x.com _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 11:39:56 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMUN-0002Hp-IH; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:39:55 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMUL-0002Ef-Rk for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:39:53 -0400 Received: from longzero.smoti.org ([212.13.205.209]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMUL-0005gX-7U for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:39:53 -0400 Received: from [130.129.85.209] (helo=[130.129.85.209]) by longzero.smoti.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54) id 1IDMUK-0007Fv-Kt for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:39:52 +0100 Resent-From: Keith Mitchell Resent-To: 69attendees@ietf.org Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:39:53 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <46A5E509.4040701@isc.org> Resent-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.10) Gecko/20060911 SUSE/1.5.0.10-1.1 Thunderbird/1.5.0.10 Message-ID: <46A5E1DA.50306@isc.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:26:18 -0400 From: Keith Mitchell Organization: Internet Systems Consortium User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20060911) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP References: <20070724151447.GA3600@bofh.priv.at> In-Reply-To: <20070724151447.GA3600@bofh.priv.at> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:39:55 -0400 Otmar Lendl wrote: > On 2007/07/24 17:07, Eric Burger wrote: >> Anyone having trouble acquiring a network address over 802.11? We had >> massive trouble yesterday in Monroe, and today I'm having trouble in >> Red Laquer. I can connect to ietf, ietf-a, ietf.1x, and ietf-a.1x, but >> I cannot acquire an address. Yes, IPv4. >> > > It took a few minutes to get an v4 address in Monroe just now. I've had major problems in Monroe - significant DHCP delays, and I can't get 802.1x to work at all :-( Is this the correct wpa_supplicant config: network={ ssid="ietf-a.1x" key_mgmt=IEEE8021X eap=PEAP phase2="auth=MSCHAPV2" identity="ietf" password="ietf" } ? Keith (sitting about 1m from an AP) _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 11:58:58 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMmc-0008E1-5r; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:58:46 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMmb-0008Dj-Ij for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:58:45 -0400 Received: from zrtps0kn.nortel.com ([47.140.192.55]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMmb-00066V-3S for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:58:45 -0400 Received: from zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com (zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.140.202.51]) by zrtps0kn.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id l6OFwgp01347; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:58:42 GMT x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:58:37 -0400 Message-ID: <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA410878774@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <46A618BD.9060308@pgp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Thread-Index: AcfOBjbSEvrb2to1TYK7V1Qz1MsPIAABOpVg References: <20070724151447.GA3600@bofh.priv.at> <46A618BD.9060308@pgp.com> From: "Don Fedyk" To: "Derek Atkins" , <69attendees@ietf.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I've been having trouble with DHCP as well. What worked for me was repairing the connection with Windows. Just disabling and enabling the connection did not work. I don't know if that was just luck but the repair operation reported the status as it was progressing and while DHCP was slow it worked. =20 Don =20 -----Original Message----- From: Derek Atkins [mailto:warlord@pgp.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:20 AM To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Otmar Lendl wrote: > On 2007/07/24 17:07, Eric Burger wrote: >> Anyone having trouble acquiring a network address over 802.11? We had >> massive trouble yesterday in Monroe, and today I'm having trouble in >> Red Laquer. I can connect to ietf, ietf-a, ietf.1x, and ietf-a.1x, but >> I cannot acquire an address. Yes, IPv4. >> >=20 > It took a few minutes to get an v4 address in Monroe just now. I was having trouble yesterday. It seems to take a long time just to get the DHCPOFFER, and even then it doesn't seem to always accept the immediate DHCPREQUEST. This was on ietf-a. Has anyone tried talking to the NOC? > /ol -derek --=20 Derek Atkins Principal Software Engineer PGP Corporation 4 Farragut Ave Somerville, MA 02144 +1 617 623 3745 | warlord@pgp.com PGP Corporation -- Rest Secured.(TM) PGP Fingerprint: 0FEE 5EA1 FF22 E0C9 4FFE 631A 9232 FF93 1C80 1DB7 This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto) by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copies of this email and any attachments thereto. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 12:02:12 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMpw-00036m-7T; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:02:12 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMpu-0002xu-Eg for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:02:10 -0400 Received: from iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.81]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMps-0002jK-Sx for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:02:10 -0400 Received: from irams2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.82]) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1IDMpp-0000Gw-Sz for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:02:07 +0200 Received: from irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.5]) by irams2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps for <69attendees@ietf.org> id 1IDMpo-0004uv-Fi; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:02:05 +0200 Received: from i72ms.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.70.5] helo=smtp.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de) by irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps for <69attendees@ietf.org> id 1IDMpo-00013z-7j; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:02:04 +0200 Received: from vorta.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de (vorta.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de [IPv6:2001:638:204:6:207:e9ff:fe0c:5e44]) by smtp.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C302FC015 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:02:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by vorta.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1IDMpl-0002F2-4k for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:02:01 +0200 Message-ID: <46A62278.1020302@tm.uka.de> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:02:00 +0200 From: Roland Bless Organization: Institute of Telematics, University of Karlsruhe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060111 Thunderbird/1.5 Mnenhy/0.7.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.4.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Spam-Report: -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.2 MISSING_HEADERS Missing To: header -0.0 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Spam-Host: irams2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de X-ATIS-Checksum: v3zoCAcc32ckk X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Eric Burger wrote: > Anyone having trouble acquiring a network address over 802.11? We > had massive trouble yesterday in Monroe, and today I'm having trouble > in Red Laquer. I can connect to ietf, ietf-a, ietf.1x, and ietf-a.1x, > but I cannot acquire an address. Yes, IPv4. Yes, I also had several problems this morning: - first I was in the Crystal ballroom and had good 802.11g connectivity. After some time I was kicked out and lost association. I was not able to reconnect to an AP. I tried even different WLAN cards in order to exclude any driver/device problems. No luck. - I moved to Red Lacquer and could associate with an AP, but got only an IPv6 address. After 20min or so the DHCP server gave me an IP address. Unfortunately there is no IPv6 DNS server address. So even IPv6 connectivity is very limited then if you can't resolv via IPv6. - BTW: anyone here with a working wpa_supplicant.conf entry for the ietf.1x network? Regards, Roland _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 12:05:45 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMtN-0001CI-4V; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:05:45 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMtK-0001Bk-IP for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:05:42 -0400 Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMtK-0006IZ-65 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:05:42 -0400 Received: from dm-east-01.east.sun.com ([129.148.9.192]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l6OG5fNp007615 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:05:41 GMT Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (punchin-client-129-148-19-35.East.Sun.COM [129.148.19.35]) by dm-east-01.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id l6OG5eJU044550 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OG2V4H001839 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:02:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nico@localhost) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0/Submit) id l6OFwnDt001826 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:58:49 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.east.sun.com: nico set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:58:44 -0500 From: Nico To: 69attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20070724155843.GA1822@Sun.COM> References: <20070724154541.GE1748@Sun.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070724154541.GE1748@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2eba37fe9c77781b0ecb0a74d8c65128 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] It's back (Re: jabber.ietf.org problems) X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 12:05:51 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMtT-0001RQ-FQ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:05:51 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMtR-0001Oe-U7 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:05:49 -0400 Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMtR-0006Ir-DM for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:05:49 -0400 Received: from dm-east-01.east.sun.com ([129.148.9.192]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l6OG5mYu007656 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:05:48 GMT Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (punchin-client-129-148-19-35.East.Sun.COM [129.148.19.35]) by dm-east-01.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id l6OG5mxP044581 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OG2V4L001839; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:02:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nico@localhost) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0/Submit) id l6OEjhi5001780; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:45:43 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.east.sun.com: nico set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:45:43 -0500 From: Nico To: Barry Leiba Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] I can't hear you! 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(pun not intended) _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 12:06:05 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMth-0001bA-0p; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:06:05 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMtg-0001ax-3w for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:06:04 -0400 Received: from sca-ea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.25]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMtb-0006JJ-E2 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:06:03 -0400 Received: from dm-east-01.east.sun.com ([129.148.9.192]) by sca-ea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l6OG5w8q029170 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:05:58 GMT Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (punchin-client-129-148-19-35.East.Sun.COM [129.148.19.35]) by dm-east-01.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id l6OG5u8k044604 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OG2V4V001839; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:02:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nico@localhost) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0/Submit) id l6OEwsb0001784; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:58:54 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.east.sun.com: nico set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:58:53 -0500 From: Nico To: Joe Abley , Paul Hoffman , 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Grand ballroom and jackhammer Message-ID: <20070724145853.GC1748@Sun.COM> References: <21212DF9-AAE5-47A1-90ED-AD65874FEBCD@ca.afilias.info> <20070724145509.GH17655@raktajino.does-not-exist.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070724145509.GH17655@raktajino.does-not-exist.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 09:55:09AM -0500, Thomas Roessler wrote: > On 2007-07-24 09:51:06 -0500, Joe Abley wrote: > > In an ideal world someone would ask the jackhammers to stop > > during meeting slots. > > Guess what, a number of people have tried that. Allegedly, the > hotel is trying to locate where that jackhammer is operating to make > it stop (which seems to have happened just now); I don't know why > that's apparently a non-trivial exercise. Yesterday they had a similar problem with *smoke* from soldering; *smoke*. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 12:11:03 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMyP-00061N-Hc; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:10:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMyO-00061G-D2 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:10:56 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMyM-0002x0-VY for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:10:56 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E46C198680; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:10:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F2919867D; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:10:52 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <46A6247E.9040907@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:10:38 -0500 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nico Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Grand ballroom and jackhammer References: <21212DF9-AAE5-47A1-90ED-AD65874FEBCD@ca.afilias.info> <20070724145509.GH17655@raktajino.does-not-exist.org> <20070724145853.GC1748@Sun.COM> In-Reply-To: <20070724145853.GC1748@Sun.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org > Yesterday they had a similar problem with *smoke* from soldering; > *smoke*. > I think we need to include other harmful activities in our "no smoking in the hotel" policy from IETF-68... Jari _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 12:12:44 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDN07-0007N6-9W; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:12:43 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDN05-0007Mw-R0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:12:41 -0400 Received: from tls.sendmail.com ([209.246.26.40] helo=foon.sendmail.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDN04-0002zd-6v for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:12:41 -0400 Received: from lab.smi.sendmail.com ([10.210.100.93]) by foon.sendmail.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id l6OGFIuw016102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:15:20 -0700 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v1.0.0 foon.sendmail.com l6OGFIuw016102 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sendmail.com; s=tls.dkim; t=1185293722; bh=1hl03QocyazeHcyHcV/hEwRRP5WdnOOWBjdBc+ lQ4p0=; h=X-DomainKeys:DomainKey-Signature:Received:Received: X-Authentication-Warning:Date:From:X-X-Sender:To:cc:Subject: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OEz 5CnTsBmJQDKISsHVfHXCNKQcVt0UE/1a8OI4vSIn7SpTer9fx4CdawY/APxPMQZ73RR Iuh8b+t/tfP7b3nrBz3+kgzXW5hh+75NoLY+VqisRRpZXysTbDYKPapt1J1NvCtBeig u505/51JiO3xt1hBWwqsOwQgZQFaa1xbFE= X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v0.6.0 foon.sendmail.com l6OGFIuw016102 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=tls; d=sendmail.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=received:received:x-authentication-warning:date:from: x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references: mime-version:content-type; b=eBf8eceBg6LdfFF5UndqhHAmqXU2/CYVYm661fUQpQM1RZVdo2rwrRYccnUZCUWrX rWmZoLISwtO+tM2AO4ZGkbuJ1IG9Gb/hOlYO6lO98zn7U2ZydYEyxDnDmjfSkXZZPpL QoDStisXZrNgOiUAUyLGLiI5qwNm/nK5XO3tZ8o= Received: from lab.smi.sendmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lab.smi.sendmail.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6OGCSan046597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:12:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msk@sendmail.com) Received: from localhost (msk@localhost) by lab.smi.sendmail.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) with ESMTP id l6OGCOAS046594; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:12:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msk@sendmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: lab.smi.sendmail.com: msk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:12:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" X-X-Sender: msk@lab.smi.sendmail.com To: Eric Burger Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070724091209.I42910@lab.smi.sendmail.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Eric Burger wrote: > Anyone having trouble acquiring a network address over 802.11? We had > massive trouble yesterday in Monroe, and today I'm having trouble in Red > Laquer. I can connect to ietf, ietf-a, ietf.1x, and ietf-a.1x, but I > cannot acquire an address. Yes, IPv4. I had to wait several minutes yesterday, but eventually DHCP did work. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 12:14:28 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDN1n-0002Xd-OG; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:14:27 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDN1m-0002Qp-6p for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:14:26 -0400 Received: from kay.sprintlink.net ([199.0.233.8]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDN1l-00031k-SG for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:14:26 -0400 Received: from iscserv1.res.sprintlink.net ([199.0.237.253]) by kay.sprintlink.net with ESMTP; 24 Jul 2007 12:14:26 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAOjBpUbHAO39/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,574,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="44765079:sNHT25877100" Received: from localhost (tseely@localhost) by iscserv1.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA13589; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:16:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: iscserv1.res.sprintlink.net: tseely owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Ted Seely X-X-Sender: To: Eric Burger Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Eric Burger wrote: > Anyone having trouble acquiring a network address over 802.11? We had > massive trouble yesterday in Monroe, and today I'm having trouble in > Red Laquer. I can connect to ietf, ietf-a, ietf.1x, and ietf-a.1x, but > I cannot acquire an address. Yes, IPv4. > same here. problem in red lacquer, and hotel lobby bar. fwi -ted _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 12:21:46 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDN8n-0002UA-JE; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:21:41 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDN8l-0002Tv-RD for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:21:39 -0400 Received: from iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.81]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDN8l-0007j4-88 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:21:39 -0400 Received: from irams2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.82]) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1IDN8h-0002xo-Oo; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:21:37 +0200 Received: from irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.5]) by irams2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1IDN8g-00070r-Af; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:21:35 +0200 Received: from i72ms.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.70.5] helo=smtp.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de) by irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1IDN8g-0003BW-0J; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:21:34 +0200 Received: from vorta.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de (vorta.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de [IPv6:2001:638:204:6:207:e9ff:fe0c:5e44]) by smtp.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7992D2FC014; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:21:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by vorta.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1IDN8e-0002I4-V5; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:21:33 +0200 Message-ID: <46A6270C.6060308@tm.uka.de> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:21:32 +0200 From: Roland Bless Organization: Institute of Telematics, University of Karlsruhe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060111 Thunderbird/1.5 Mnenhy/0.7.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Mitchell Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP wpa_supplicant.conf References: <20070724151447.GA3600@bofh.priv.at> <46A5E1DA.50306@isc.org> In-Reply-To: <46A5E1DA.50306@isc.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.4.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Spam-Report: -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Spam-Host: irams2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de X-ATIS-Checksum: v3zoCAcc32ckk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Keith Mitchell wrote: > Otmar Lendl wrote: >> On 2007/07/24 17:07, Eric Burger wrote: >>> Anyone having trouble acquiring a network address over 802.11? We had >>> massive trouble yesterday in Monroe, and today I'm having trouble in >>> Red Laquer. I can connect to ietf, ietf-a, ietf.1x, and ietf-a.1x, but >>> I cannot acquire an address. Yes, IPv4. >>> >> It took a few minutes to get an v4 address in Monroe just now. > > I've had major problems in Monroe - significant DHCP delays, and I can't > get 802.1x to work at all :-( Is this the correct wpa_supplicant config: > > network={ > ssid="ietf-a.1x" > key_mgmt=IEEE8021X > eap=PEAP > phase2="auth=MSCHAPV2" > identity="ietf" > password="ietf" > } > I just had success - after a lot of trial and error - with the following one: network={ key_mgmt=WPA-EAP eap=PEAP ssid="ietf.1x" identity="ietf" password="ietf" phase2="auth=MSCHAPV2" } Actually wpa_cli status should look like this: Selected interface 'eth1' bssid=00:19:a9:41:39:c1 ssid=ietf.1x id=0 pairwise_cipher=CCMP group_cipher=TKIP key_mgmt=WPA2/IEEE 802.1X/EAP wpa_state=COMPLETED ip_address=130.129.xxx.yyy Supplicant PAE state=AUTHENTICATED suppPortStatus=Authorized EAP state=SUCCESS selectedMethod=25 (EAP-PEAP) EAP TLS cipher=AES256-SHA EAP-PEAPv0 Phase2 method=MSCHAPV2 Regards, Roland _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 13:18:55 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDO27-0003fB-HP; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:18:51 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDO26-0003ef-GR for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:18:50 -0400 Received: from sequoia.muada.com ([83.149.65.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDO1x-0006DZ-Nd for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:18:50 -0400 Received: from [130.129.87.204] ([130.129.87.204]) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6OHFStO066245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:15:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) In-Reply-To: <20070724151937.B5F6A233C5@coconut.itojun.org> References: <20070724151937.B5F6A233C5@coconut.itojun.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Iljitsch van Beijnum Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:17:22 -0500 To: Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=3.5 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on sequoia.muada.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: IPv6 Operations , 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org [people were complaining about delays in getting an IPv4 address over DHCP, CCing the v6ops list to make a point] On 24-jul-2007, at 10:19, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: > good reason to use IPv6 entirely, as long as you have IPv6 DNS > server:-P More specifically, stateless autoconfig seems to work a lot better than DHCP in this case: one router advertisement can provide a large number of clients with address and configuration information, while DHCP requires messages back and forth for each individual client. A good reason to make sure that it's possible to run IPv6 with all that that entails (= DNS resolver addresses) without the need to run DHCPv6 if running DHCPv6 isn't specifically desired. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 13:42:03 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDOOS-0001FC-5Q; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:41:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDOOR-0001F1-1o for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:41:55 -0400 Received: from sequoia.muada.com ([83.149.65.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDOOQ-0006tj-92 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:41:55 -0400 Received: from [130.129.18.177] (dhcp-12b1.ietf69.org [130.129.18.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6OHceYY066702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:38:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) In-Reply-To: <46A62278.1020302@tm.uka.de> References: <46A62278.1020302@tm.uka.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Iljitsch van Beijnum Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:22:11 -0500 To: Roland Bless X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=3.5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on sequoia.muada.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 24-jul-2007, at 11:02, Roland Bless wrote: > Unfortunately there is no IPv6 DNS server > address. So even IPv6 connectivity is very limited then if you > can't resolv via IPv6. Feel free to use 2001:1af8:2:5::2, let me know if it doesn't work. Iljitsch _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 13:45:17 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDORg-0007Xl-H8; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:45:16 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDORf-0007XZ-1T for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:45:15 -0400 Received: from hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net ([216.37.94.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDORe-00023G-LR for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:45:14 -0400 Received: (qmail 15597 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 2007 17:37:37 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 15590, pid: 15593, t: 0.9369s scanners: clamav: 0.90.2/m: spam: 3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=6.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_60 autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.28.171.237?) (jordi.palet@consulintel.es@67.97.210.2) by hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net with ESMTPA; 24 Jul 2007 17:37:37 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:45:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: IPv6 Operations Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Thread-Index: AcfOGmFJn5iApDoNEdyQYQAX8sYbNQ== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fully agree. I was absolutely unable to get DHCP working during more than two hours yesterday afternoon, which is unacceptable in my opinion. However I was able to use IPv6, manually configuring my own IPv6 DNS resolver from my home network. It will be really nice to make sure that we can progress with more parameters available in the RA. And by the way, unfortunately the DHCP issues are very very very very frequent in many networks, not sure if its a protocol/design issue or just not so good DHCP implementations, but it is the reality. Regards, Jordi > De: Iljitsch van Beijnum > Responder a: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > Fecha: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:17:22 -0500 > Para: Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino > CC: IPv6 Operations , <69attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP > > [people were complaining about delays in getting an IPv4 address over > DHCP, CCing the v6ops list to make a point] > > On 24-jul-2007, at 10:19, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: > >> good reason to use IPv6 entirely, as long as you have IPv6 DNS >> server:-P > > More specifically, stateless autoconfig seems to work a lot better > than DHCP in this case: one router advertisement can provide a large > number of clients with address and configuration information, while > DHCP requires messages back and forth for each individual client. A > good reason to make sure that it's possible to run IPv6 with all that > that entails (= DNS resolver addresses) without the need to run > DHCPv6 if running DHCPv6 isn't specifically desired. > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 13:54:56 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDOb1-00013B-6d; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:54:55 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDOaz-00012K-LG for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:54:53 -0400 Received: from hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net ([216.37.94.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDOaz-0002Ey-8e for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:54:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 16044 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 2007 17:47:17 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 16025, pid: 16039, t: 0.6350s scanners: clamav: 0.90.2/m: spam: 3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.2 required=6.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_99 autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.28.168.55?) (drmime@sbcglobal.net@67.97.210.2) by hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net with ESMTPA; 24 Jul 2007 17:47:16 -0000 In-Reply-To: <2DAE7917D6D97DC5A972F1BE@Uranus.local> References: <2DAE7917D6D97DC5A972F1BE@Uranus.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <229C3ACB-ED89-4CE7-B80B-287C1211C618@guppylake.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nathaniel Borenstein Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] I can't hear you! Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:54:43 -0400 To: Barry Leiba X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I hope we get an extra special discount for enduring pounding hammering noises that start at 7 AM -- three mornings in a row so far. -- Nathaniel On Jul 24, 2007, at 7/24/0710:46 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: > We probably get a very good deal from hotels that are under noisy > construction. > > It's a false economy. > > I suggest that we not arrange meetings in hotels that are in > intermediate stages of renovation. > > Barry > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 14:08:37 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDOoF-0004lJ-HV; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:08:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDOoE-0004lA-Fj for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:08:34 -0400 Received: from coconut.itojun.org ([2001:240:501:0:204:23ff:fecb:8908]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDOoE-0007QQ-2V for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:08:34 -0400 Received: by coconut.itojun.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id C092E233CB; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:08:31 +0900 (JST) To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:45:10 -0500" References: X-Mailer: Cue version 0.8 (070521-1856/itojun) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20070724180831.C092E233CB@coconut.itojun.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:08:31 +0900 (JST) From: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Cc: v6ops@ops.ietf.org, 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org now i see rogue RAs which advertise fec0:0:0:4::/64 and 202:8281:1768:4::/64. my guess is that this is from the same guy. we need L2 switch vendors to implement ways to prevent rogue RA/DHCPv6 sources, just like ways to avoiding rogue DHCPv4 servers/relay agents. itojun _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 14:08:56 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDOoa-0004vB-Ov; 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Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:08:32 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l6OI8W32018816 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:08:32 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:08:32 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Grand ballroom and jackhammer Message-ID: <20070724180832.GA18766@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <21212DF9-AAE5-47A1-90ED-AD65874FEBCD@ca.afilias.info> <46A613C6.8000502@piuha.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46A613C6.8000502@piuha.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Null-Tag: 22c49deec2c66c3ab5b81b45846a6784 X-Null-Tag: dd0c5c8d09217289822f0a4326a38833 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 09:59:18AM -0500, Jari Arkko wrote: > State Ballroom was also in pretty bad situation. > And yes, the secretariat was on this problem > in under 15 seconds after it started. As someone > said, the hotel staff was trying to locate the > jackhammer :-( and that appears to have taken > a surprising amount of time. Then again, > sound travels in funny ways through structures. > > The noise has stopped now, maybe they found > the source... Well it's started again for the 1pm sessions.... quite loud in Ballroom. Tim _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 14:21:42 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDP0s-0006eu-0M; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:21:38 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDP0q-0006en-2o for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:21:36 -0400 Received: from smtp.mei.co.jp ([133.183.129.25]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDP0p-0002vz-9a for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:21:35 -0400 Received: from mail-gw.jp.panasonic.com (dodgers.mei.co.jp [157.8.1.150]) by smtp.mei.co.jp (8.12.11.20060614/3.7W/bulls) with ESMTP id l6OILXuk016984 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:21:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail-gw.jp.panasonic.com (8.11.6p2/3.7W/somlx2) with ESMTP id l6OILYr05853 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:21:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from pslexc01.psl.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.jp.panasonic.com (8.11.6p2/3.7W/bluejays) with ESMTP id l6OILXe09139 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:21:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([10.81.113.10]) by pslexc01.psl.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:21:13 +0800 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0E65F42873D4; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:20:45 +0800 (SGT) Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP From: Chan-Wah Ng To: 69attendees <69attendees@ietf.org> In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Panasonic Singapore Labs Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:20:45 +0800 Message-Id: <1185301245.7099.4.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2007 18:21:13.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B1F2620:01C7CE1F] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: chanwah.ng@sg.panasonic.com List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I had problems with DHCP this morning in the state ballroom as well. My dhcpcd client would spurred out various "Error: received message xid=balh-blah-blah that is not mine (xid=foo-bar)." and finally died after time out. Eventually, I do get a valid response after like 100 attempts. /rgds /cwng On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 12:16 -0400, Ted Seely wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Eric Burger wrote: > > > Anyone having trouble acquiring a network address over 802.11? We had > > massive trouble yesterday in Monroe, and today I'm having trouble in > > Red Laquer. I can connect to ietf, ietf-a, ietf.1x, and ietf-a.1x, but > > I cannot acquire an address. Yes, IPv4. > > > > > same here. problem in red lacquer, and hotel lobby bar. > > fwi > > -ted > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 14:24:22 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDP3W-0000VZ-4w; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:24:22 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDP3V-0000VS-MN for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:24:21 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com ([208.184.79.10]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDP3V-000302-6L for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:24:21 -0400 Received: from [130.129.85.90] ([130.129.85.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6OIO16D026679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:24:03 -0700 Message-ID: <46A643D0.9000004@bbiw.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:24:16 -0500 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Grand ballroom and jackhammer References: <547D07B4-E158-4C1B-82DA-79E0FC79386E@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <547D07B4-E158-4C1B-82DA-79E0FC79386E@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SongbirdInformation: support@songbird.com for more information X-Songbird: Clean X-Songbird-From: dcrocker@bbiw.net X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is clearly a pervasive problem this week. In a Salon room, right now, we've been getting hit with some loud periodic buzzing machine sounds on the other side of wall, where the connecting door is marked 'construction'. It is just occasional enough, and just below the volume level, so that the meeting is not being disrupted, but it is far, far beyond what a meeting group should have to tolerate. Is it reasonable that a paying group, like ours, has to keep on top of this issue? (That's a question about the responsibility of the hotel, not about the Secretariat? For that matter, I obviously don't mean it as a question...) d/ Ralph Droms wrote: > Ditto for Crystal. > > - Ralph > > On Jul 24, 2007, at Jul 24, 2007,10:47 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > >> WGs that are meeting in the Grand Ballroom should be aware that there >> is a jackhammer being used just outside the room. Your speakers will >> need to speak really loudly, but even then, lots of information is >> being lost. -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 14:30:56 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDP9r-0004EO-Jg; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:30:55 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDP9p-0004EF-UU for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:30:53 -0400 Received: from owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.68.129]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDP9p-00038C-9R for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:30:53 -0400 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6OIUkpw014928; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:30:46 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.189]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6OIUcRM025696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:30:38 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l6OIUctI019110; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:30:38 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l6OIUcgr019109; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:30:38 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:30:38 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org, 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Message-ID: <20070724183038.GC18766@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org, 69attendees@ietf.org References: <20070724180831.C092E233CB@coconut.itojun.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070724180831.C092E233CB@coconut.itojun.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Null-Tag: 76a2880f4a6f2ae8f9065b82194a4272 X-Null-Tag: 5bd7f08c70fac0a08a27634ca2d7c43b X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 03:08:31AM +0900, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: > now i see rogue RAs which advertise fec0:0:0:4::/64 and > 202:8281:1768:4::/64. my guess is that this is from the same guy. > > we need L2 switch vendors to implement ways to prevent rogue RA/DHCPv6 > sources, just like ways to avoiding rogue DHCPv4 servers/relay agents. Any comments on http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/slides/dhc-5.pdf to the v6ops list would be welcome. A couple of us will be converting this material, which was assembled from talking to various admin type people from enterprise networks, into an informational draft in the next couple of weeks. The draft will include feedback received from dhc and v6ops WG meetings yesterday, and hopefully generate some discussion towards 'bcp' type advice. -- Tim _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 14:32:23 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPBG-0005Te-Sa; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:32:22 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPBF-0005TX-SS for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:32:21 -0400 Received: from mail-red.research.att.com ([192.20.225.110]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPBF-0003Ah-K2 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:32:21 -0400 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64764862F; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.13.1/8.12.10/Submit) id l6OIWCFE001194; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:32:12 -0400 From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200707241832.l6OIWCFE001194@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Barry Leiba Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] I can't hear you! Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:32:12 -0400 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org My understanding is that the hotel promised that construction would be silent until the end of the week. While the convention services department seems earnest about wanting to keep the promise, there appear to be issues with communicating with the workers. Bill _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 14:41:28 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPK2-0006O2-Eb; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:41:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPK1-0006Nx-8L for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:41:25 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com ([208.184.79.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPJz-00087t-Pr for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:41:25 -0400 Received: from [130.129.85.90] ([130.129.85.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6OIeuMP030799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:41:00 -0700 Message-ID: <46A647CA.8020804@bbiw.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:41:14 -0500 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] I can't hear you! References: <200707241832.l6OIWCFE001194@bright.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <200707241832.l6OIWCFE001194@bright.research.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SongbirdInformation: support@songbird.com for more information X-Songbird: Clean X-Songbird-From: dcrocker@bbiw.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org > My understanding is that the hotel promised that construction > would be silent until the end of the week. While the convention > services department seems earnest about wanting to keep the > promise, there appear to be issues with communicating with the > workers. While acknowledging that large projects have lots of lines of communication, I'll nonetheless observe that the idea that the hotel cannot direct the project manager to control certain classes of activities under them doesn't seem all that compelling... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 14:44:33 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPN0-00082U-3o; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:44:30 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPMy-00082O-ME for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:44:28 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.173] helo=mgw-ext14.nokia.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPMy-0003UF-3m for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:44:28 -0400 Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-ext14.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l6OIiAO9000934; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:44:23 +0300 Received: from esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.34]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:44:13 +0300 Received: from esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.177]) by esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:44:08 +0300 Received: from essapo-nirac253188.europe.nokia.com ([10.162.253.188]) by esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:44:08 +0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?= Organization: Nokia TP-SP-SWD To: james woodyatt , 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:44:06 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <20070724151937.B5F6A233C5@coconut.itojun.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707242144.07024.remi.denis-courmont@nokia.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2007 18:44:08.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E984E20:01C7CE22] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tuesday 24 July 2007 21:08:21 james woodyatt wrote: > On Jul 24, 2007, at 12:17, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > > On 24-jul-2007, at 10:19, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: > >> good reason to use IPv6 entirely, as long as you have IPv6 DNS > >> server:-P > > > > [...] A good reason to make sure that it's possible to run IPv6 > > with all that that entails (=3D DNS resolver addresses) without the > > need to run DHCPv6 if running DHCPv6 isn't specifically desired. > > dns-sd -Q _domain._udp.local SRV --> /etc/resolv.conf > > Quite a thrilling proposal from a security perspective, but it's > worth contrasting with the idea of reserving a global IPv6 anycast > address for DNS resolving proxy servers. Or you could have kept the network configuration email from the NOC guy on= =20 this very same mailing, which nicely included the list of local recursive=20 IPv6 DNS servers: 2001:df8:0:5::6 and ...::7 :P =2D-=20 R=E9mi Denis-Courmont _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 14:50:05 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPSO-0003zV-02; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:50:04 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPSL-0003zF-St for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:50:02 -0400 Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPSL-0003bP-FW for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:50:01 -0400 Received: from neophyte.qualcomm.com (neophyte.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.149]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l6OInxAt022099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:50:00 -0700 Received: from [[130.129.100.246]] (vpn-10-50-16-35.qualcomm.com [10.50.16.35]) by neophyte.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l6OInu94017994 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:49:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1185301245.7099.4.camel@localhost> References: <1185301245.7099.4.camel@localhost> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X X-message-flag: Warning: Outlook in use. Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:49:52 -0700 To: 69attendees <69attendees@ietf.org> From: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org This morning in the Grand Ballroom, and the first session after lunch in Salon, it took me more than 30 minutes to get an address. (I actually got an address just before 1:00, but quickly lost it, and was unable to get one for another 30 minutes.) -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- In the beginning was the word...and it was the wrong length. --Bob Barton (Burroughs computer architect) _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 14:55:18 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPXQ-0000kw-AI; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:55:16 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPXO-0000kn-QP for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:55:14 -0400 Received: from smtp4.smtp.bt.com ([217.32.164.151]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPXN-0008Ul-CG for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:55:14 -0400 Received: from E03MVZ4-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.30.64]) by smtp4.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:55:12 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] I can't hear you! Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:53:45 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] I can't hear you! Thread-Index: AcfOIkeQKWWNQZBhREeNpKm4vjPMJAAAa6TM References: <200707241832.l6OIWCFE001194@bright.research.att.com> <46A647CA.8020804@bbiw.net> From: To: , <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2007 18:55:12.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A1C22E0:01C7CE24] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I suspect the problem is that the hotel is run by Hilton and the = building is owned (and being renovated) by Thor Equities =20 Toby ________________________________ From: Dave Crocker [mailto:dcrocker@bbiw.net] Sent: Tue 24/07/2007 19:41 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] I can't hear you! > My understanding is that the hotel promised that construction > would be silent until the end of the week. While the convention > services department seems earnest about wanting to keep the > promise, there appear to be issues with communicating with the > workers. While acknowledging that large projects have lots of lines of = communication, I'll nonetheless observe that the idea that the hotel cannot direct the project manager to control certain classes of activities under them = doesn't seem all that compelling... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 14:57:45 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPZo-0003TQ-6c; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:57:44 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPZm-0003TC-OA for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:57:42 -0400 Received: from mail.consulintel.es ([213.172.48.142] helo=consulintel.es) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPZm-0003kr-5I for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:57:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1185306881; x=1185911681; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Mime-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=W6T00IcC8loXIF YxvTaTQp1znoC2LQX0aOtlfb+H7NU+IWWP4nAJ4hczIU2IBGuSAignlSMcDaXA/4 fuBlIKlNznlVnLsfHt16yiMvh/LpLOsDkyYXzCO1R4Ap22ejAKv3MIUBcHLQk08h g81mcuYXc5wUlq6Mk7Zuh9ZDcU4lE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=OECIey0krr2onUJLPEg5777DSbpx6UM87ZFRKjcOlS45pD6MMcZM1JxY+wtY1IYEiAWGVr2W5LJZYmuvShWYi3ovflJbD9R0Uq2ZKneqPEsN6Q2ddTRyFKZ1qRWbOFFmPuLj07DSPRZ9FUjbCSUICUBYEa0up2RpuYMKlilAwnw=; Received: from [130.129.22.178] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002591651.msg for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:45:17 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:47:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] I can't hear you! From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] I can't hear you! Thread-Index: AcfOIxx1Wy+QPjoWEdyQYQAX8sYbNQ== In-Reply-To: <229C3ACB-ED89-4CE7-B80B-287C1211C618@guppylake.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:070724:69attendees@ietf.org::MIWYMGuuj+xgHWD5:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000B/9 X-MDRemoteIP: 130.129.22.178 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on mail.consulintel.es X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=4.5 tests=BAYES_00, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:54:38 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:54:41 +0200 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Agree, we should just not pay our invoice if they don't provide a discount. Regards, Jordi > De: Nathaniel Borenstein > Responder a: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > Fecha: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:54:43 -0400 > Para: Barry Leiba > CC: <69attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [69ATTENDEES] I can't hear you! > > I hope we get an extra special discount for enduring pounding > hammering noises that start at 7 AM -- three mornings in a row so > far. -- Nathaniel > > On Jul 24, 2007, at 7/24/0710:46 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: > >> We probably get a very good deal from hotels that are under noisy >> construction. >> >> It's a false economy. >> >> I suggest that we not arrange meetings in hotels that are in >> intermediate stages of renovation. >> >> Barry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. 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If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 15:04:18 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPg9-000845-0y; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:17 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPg7-0007zs-P0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:15 -0400 Received: from tyholt.uninett.no ([2001:700:1::eecb]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPg7-0000Fa-8q for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tyholt.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB80DB5A88; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:04:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tyholt.uninett.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tyholt.uninett.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05071-01-41; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:04:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6?2001?df8?0?32?218?deff?fe02?cff] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:32:218:deff:fe02:cff]) by tyholt.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDBAAB5A85; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:04:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46A64D0C.1080406@uninett.no> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:03:40 +0200 From: Trond Skjesol User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?= Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP References: <20070724151937.B5F6A233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <200707242144.07024.remi.denis-courmont@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <200707242144.07024.remi.denis-courmont@nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at uninett.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org, james woodyatt X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org R=E9mi Denis-Courmont wrote: > On Tuesday 24 July 2007 21:08:21 james woodyatt wrote: >> On Jul 24, 2007, at 12:17, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: >>> On 24-jul-2007, at 10:19, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: >>>> good reason to use IPv6 entirely, as long as you have IPv6 DNS >>>> server:-P >>> [...] A good reason to make sure that it's possible to run IPv6 >>> with all that that entails (=3D DNS resolver addresses) without the >>> need to run DHCPv6 if running DHCPv6 isn't specifically desired. >> dns-sd -Q _domain._udp.local SRV --> /etc/resolv.conf >> >> Quite a thrilling proposal from a security perspective, but it's >> worth contrasting with the idea of reserving a global IPv6 anycast >=20 > Or you could have kept the network configuration email from the NOC guy= on=20 > this very same mailing, which nicely included the list of local recursi= ve=20 > IPv6 DNS servers: 2001:df8:0:5::6 and ...::7 >=20 Yes, it's nice to get information but these DNS servers doesn't answer=20 on IPv6? -Trond _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 15:05:32 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPhL-0001Tf-Aa; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:05:31 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPhK-0001Ta-Tk for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:05:30 -0400 Received: from grymling.conjury.org ([69.12.155.90] helo=mta.conjury.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPhJ-0000H5-DN for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:05:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta.conjury.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07EE844B9B2 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta.conjury.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (grymling.conjury.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27551-09 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.80.209] (unknown [130.129.80.209]) by mta.conjury.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3FE44B98D for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200707242144.07024.remi.denis-courmont@nokia.com> References: <20070724151937.B5F6A233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <200707242144.07024.remi.denis-courmont@nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: james woodyatt Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:05:11 -0500 To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at conjury.org X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 24, 2007, at 13:44, R=E9mi Denis-Courmont wrote: > On Tuesday 24 July 2007 21:08:21 james woodyatt wrote: >> >> dns-sd -Q _domain._udp.local SRV --> /etc/resolv.conf >> >> Quite a thrilling proposal from a security perspective, but it's >> worth contrasting with the idea of reserving a global IPv6 anycast >> address for DNS resolving proxy servers. > > Or you could have kept the network configuration email from the NOC =20= > guy on > this very same mailing, which nicely included the list of local =20 > recursive > IPv6 DNS servers: 2001:df8:0:5::6 and ...::7 I shouldn't have tried to be subtle. The idea I was trying to imply =20 is that operating systems COULD be written to acquire the addresses =20 of local DNS resolving proxy servers on networks where IPv6 routers =20 advertise unmanaged prefixes by performing a multicast DNS query for =20 the _domain._udp.local SRV record and resolving the associated =20 hostnames for their AAAA records. Observant participants may be aware that some consumer IPv6 router =20 equipment already advertises these records for their integrated DNS =20 proxy servers. All that's missing is the appropriate code in your =20 operating system to perform the query and plumb up the resulting =20 addresses to the back end of the getaddrinfo() system function. --=20 j h woodyatt _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 15:07:09 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPiu-00021c-UW; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:07:08 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPiu-00021P-Bw for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:07:08 -0400 Received: from owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.68.129]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPit-0003yO-S9 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:07:08 -0400 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6OJ72U2024871 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:07:02 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.189]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6OJ6YKi029808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:06:34 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l6OJ6X2b019550 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:06:33 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l6OJ6XpF019549 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:06:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:06:33 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Message-ID: <20070724190633.GG18766@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <20070724151937.B5F6A233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <200707242144.07024.remi.denis-courmont@nokia.com> <46A64D0C.1080406@uninett.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46A64D0C.1080406@uninett.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Null-Tag: df4ed06b0105a53606bde6ae3c230eb4 X-Null-Tag: e40ea2497378fdd979430f68102efa35 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 09:03:40PM +0200, Trond Skjesol wrote: > > > >Or you could have kept the network configuration email from the NOC guy on > >this very same mailing, which nicely included the list of local recursive > >IPv6 DNS servers: 2001:df8:0:5::6 and ...::7 > > > Yes, it's nice to get information but these DNS servers doesn't answer > on IPv6? If you have XP I think you can't do v6 DNS transport (without some local proxy trickery). Vista does though. -- Tim _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 15:08:35 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPkH-0003Bp-QU; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:08:33 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPkH-0003Bk-EB for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:08:33 -0400 Received: from iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.81]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPkF-0000KN-Vp for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:08:33 -0400 Received: from irams2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.82]) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1IDPkD-0000LO-4d; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:08:31 +0200 Received: from irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.5]) by irams2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1IDPkB-0007GR-Ha; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:08:28 +0200 Received: from i72ms.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.70.5] helo=smtp.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de) by irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1IDPkB-0005IB-7i; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:08:27 +0200 Received: from vorta.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de (vorta.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de [IPv6:2001:638:204:6:207:e9ff:fe0c:5e44]) by smtp.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A5B2FC014; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:08:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by vorta.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1IDPk9-0002VO-VG; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:08:26 +0200 Message-ID: <46A64E2A.9070005@tm.uka.de> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:08:26 +0200 From: Roland Bless Organization: Institute of Telematics, University of Karlsruhe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060111 Thunderbird/1.5 Mnenhy/0.7.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.4.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Spam-Report: -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Spam-Host: irams2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de X-ATIS-Checksum: v3zoCAcc32ckk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Cc: IPv6 Operations , 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi Jordi, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > I was absolutely unable to get DHCP working during more than two hours > yesterday afternoon, which is unacceptable in my opinion. Luckily there weren't such heavy DHCP problems in the past few IETF meetings. However, we had them some time ago and are obviously common. > It will be really nice to make sure that we can progress with more > parameters available in the RA. Yes, but host implementations must also be enable to make use of such features... > And by the way, unfortunately the DHCP issues are very very very very > frequent in many networks, not sure if its a protocol/design issue or just > not so good DHCP implementations, but it is the reality. I can second that. I guess it is indeed a problem of broadcasting, per client request processing and packet loss. Stateless autoconfig seems to be much more robust and efficient in these cases. Regards, Roland _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 15:09:26 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPl7-0004dR-Rj; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:09:25 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPl6-0004St-8G for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:09:24 -0400 Received: from owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.68.129]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPl5-00040s-JV for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:09:23 -0400 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6OJ9Iep025436 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:09:18 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.189]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6OJ95SY029907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:09:05 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l6OJ95nJ019566 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:09:05 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l6OJ94qH019565 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:09:04 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:09:04 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Message-ID: <20070724190904.GH18766@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <20070724151937.B5F6A233C5@coconut.itojun.org> <200707242144.07024.remi.denis-courmont@nokia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Null-Tag: 7c8f9332c362046b4a136ad821ad573c X-Null-Tag: e2c590360e5d2ab0b8ed7b72fac340dc X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 02:05:11PM -0500, james woodyatt wrote: > > I shouldn't have tried to be subtle. The idea I was trying to imply > is that operating systems COULD be written to acquire the addresses > of local DNS resolving proxy servers on networks where IPv6 routers > advertise unmanaged prefixes by performing a multicast DNS query for > the _domain._udp.local SRV record and resolving the associated > hostnames for their AAAA records. The draft specifcying how RA's can carry DNS resolver info has been approved as an experimental RFC. I don't know if it has an RFC number yet but the draft is here: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-jeong-dnsop-ipv6-dns-discovery-12.txt Whether anyone will implement it widely is another question... -- Tim _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 15:15:17 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPqm-0000fY-AP; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:15:16 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPql-0000fR-7s for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:15:15 -0400 Received: from mail-red.research.att.com ([192.20.225.110]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPqk-00047J-SW for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:15:15 -0400 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864988A9C; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.13.1/8.12.10/Submit) id l6OJFENh002620; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:15:14 -0400 From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200707241915.l6OJFENh002620@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Iljitsch van Beijnum Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP References: <20070724151937.B5F6A233C5@coconut.itojun.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:15:14 -0400 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: IPv6 Operations , 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org >More specifically, stateless autoconfig seems to work a lot better >than DHCP in this case: one router advertisement can provide a large >number of clients with address and configuration information, while >DHCP requires messages back and forth for each individual client. And one rogue advertisement can take out the same set of clients. I don't see the advertisements active right now with tcpdump, but it is still attached to my interface: llama% ifconfig en1 en1: flags=8963 mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::219:e3ff:fe03:e7f1%en1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 inet6 fec0::7:219:e3ff:fe03:e7f1 prefixlen 64 autoconf inet6 2002:8281:1768:7:219:e3ff:fe03:e7f1 prefixlen 64 autoconf inet6 2001:df8::80:219:e3ff:fe03:e7f1 prefixlen 64 autoconf .. and for a while my default route was pointing to it. Yes, a rogue DHCP server can wreak similar havoc, but for some reason this particular failure mode seems quite common. Bill [Based on the IPv4 address in the 6to4 address, this particular rogue has MAC address 00:11:09:0e:34:2f and is using the b/g radio on an AP in the Hilton executive lounge.] _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 15:21:27 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPwj-0006EL-Te; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:21:25 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPwi-0006EC-RY for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:21:24 -0400 Received: from mailgate-internal2.sri.com ([128.18.84.104]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDPwi-0000fB-4Y for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:21:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (HELO mailgate-internal2.SRI.COM) (127.0.0.1) by mailgate-internal2.sri.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2007 19:21:22 -0000 Received: from srimail1.sri.com ([128.18.30.11]) by mailgate-internal2.SRI.COM (SMSSMTP 4.1.11.41) with SMTP id M2007072412212213997 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:21:22 -0700 Received: from [172.28.168.48] ([67.97.210.2]) by mail.sri.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JLP00MAX73L9BRR@mail.sri.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:21:21 -0500 From: Ed Jankiewicz To: 69attendees@ietf.org Message-id: <46A65131.5050906@sri.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Wed Nite Fireworks X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org suggestion: catch the fireworks at Navy Pier 9:30 PM Wednesday. Beergarden at the Pier has live music, beer and food. Probably visible anywhere along the lakefront, Grant Park, etc. (You can't go wrong following the crowd, nobody goes there anymore -- it's too crowded. Yogi) http://www.navypier.com/cal_events/cal_home.html -- Ed Jankiewicz - SRI International Fort Monmouth Branch Office - IPv6 Research Supporting DISA Standards Engineering Branch 732-389-1003 or ed.jankiewicz@sri.com _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 15:43:28 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDQI2-00058q-5m; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:43:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDQI0-00058l-Tn for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:43:24 -0400 Received: from medel.switch.ch ([2001:620:0:14:214:4fff:fe75:4775]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDQHy-0001Ij-T0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:43:24 -0400 Received: from [130.59.6.129] (helo=machb.switch.ch) by medel.switch.ch with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IDQHx-00035E-I4 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:43:21 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:39:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Bernie Hoeneisen X-X-Sender: bhoeneis@machb To: 69attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="98048-988306964-1174317242=:8576" Content-ID: X-SWITCH-SCANNER: bypassed X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Perl script against some Bogus IPv6 adverts X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --98048-988306964-1174317242=:8576 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII; FORMAT=flowed Content-ID: Hi! As the the topic comes up at almost every IETF, I just re-send you Simon Leinen's script, that filters out some wrong 1Pv6 RA. It works fine on Linux, and for me it has done a pretty good jobs getting rid of bogus routing information. Feel free to port it to other Operating systems or improve it otherwise. 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --98048-988306964-1174317242=:8576-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 16:17:51 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDQpJ-000693-Lq; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:17:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDQpI-00068v-RY for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:17:48 -0400 Received: from iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.81]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDQpH-00027s-8g for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:17:48 -0400 Received: from irams2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.82]) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1IDQpE-0001cT-RB for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:17:46 +0200 Received: from irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.5]) by irams2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps for <69attendees@ietf.org> id 1IDQpD-00069t-Pg; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:17:44 +0200 Received: from i72ms.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.70.5] helo=smtp.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de) by irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps for <69attendees@ietf.org> id 1IDQpD-0004tw-I5; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:17:43 +0200 Received: from vorta.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de (vorta.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de [IPv6:2001:638:204:6:207:e9ff:fe0c:5e44]) by smtp.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20772FC014 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:17:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by vorta.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1IDQpC-0002Zb-IN for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:17:42 +0200 Message-ID: <46A65E65.8030001@tm.uka.de> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:17:41 +0200 From: Roland Bless Organization: Institute of Telematics, University of Karlsruhe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060111 Thunderbird/1.5 Mnenhy/0.7.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.4.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Spam-Report: -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Spam-Host: irams2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de X-ATIS-Checksum: v3zoCAcc32ckk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP problems X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I couldn't get an address for more than 1 hour after I lost my connection somehow. I then tried my luck in the terminal room, thinking that the wired network would be more robust. The problem was the same. So it seems to be related to the DHCP server or some "clever" filtering mechanisms that try to improve the security. Just now in the beverage break I got very quick a working lease via the wireless... Regards, Roland _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 16:23:39 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDQuv-0002EO-UV; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:23:37 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDQuu-0002EJ-Nf for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:23:36 -0400 Received: from hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net ([216.37.94.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDQut-0005xD-To for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:23:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 22429 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 2007 20:15:59 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 22419, pid: 22425, t: 1.3159s scanners: clamav: 0.90.2/m: spam: 3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.2 required=6.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_99 autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.28.171.237?) (jordi.palet@consulintel.es@67.97.210.2) by hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net with ESMTPA; 24 Jul 2007 20:15:57 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:23:04 -0500 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfOMHA6ru6tijojEdyQYQAX8sYbNQ== In-Reply-To: <016201c7ccbf$3e394930$11158182@w2lan.cesnet.cz> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b800b1eab964a31702fa68f1ff0e955 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi Michal, Changed subject ... The main reason why I've not progressed with the idea of an IETF in Madrid seems to be because the hotel is not downtown. However is much better located and has much better public transport that places where we have met before, such as Dallas or San Diego. In fact, both times when the IETF venue was "rejected" we had an IETF in San Diego shortly after. Quite curious situation ! The other issue I see is that we really need to have an IETF in regions such as Latin America and Africa. May be Africa in 2-3 years, because I'm not sure there are now good venues available, but in Latin America, I can see venues available that could be confirmed for 1-2 years from now. Locations such as Mexico, Brazil, Chile and probably Argentina have those venues available I believe. Regards, Jordi > De: Michal Krsek > Responder a: > Fecha: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:20:14 -0500 > Para: <69attendees@ietf.org> > CC: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > Asunto: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US > > Hi Jordi, > >> It seems that the controls are going worst and actually getting really >> annoying. I was stuck in 4 different controls, taking me more than 4 hours >> since the flight landed until being able to come to the hotel. > > seems strange for me. I've entered US in Atlanta and have to say I've got > only two questions: > > a) Trip purpose > b) Length of the stay > > Passed all the queues in about 20 minutes (including 15 minutes of waiting > for my luggage). > > This has to be shortest immigration pass in my history (last time I've spent > about 20 minutes talking to immigration officer about my t-shirt - there has > been USS Missouri on it and he has been on board during WW 2nd). > >> If this is the situation we are going to have in the next meetings and >> this >> is happening to more and more people as I've been told today, >> definitively, >> US *MUST* be excluded for any next meetings, as this is totally >> unacceptable. > > I'm not ure if IETF/ISOC has so much power to talk to TSA nor DHS. > > I have to say that if immigration control will go same way for a while, I'll > not be asked about anything during my next visit :-) > > Regards > Michal > > P.S: BTW I'd like to see IETF meeting in Spain - would you like act as local > volunteer? > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 16:29:35 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDR0f-0006fM-GF; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:29:33 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDR0d-0006fH-FM for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:29:31 -0400 Received: from keys.pgpeng.com ([63.251.255.74]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDR0b-0002Jv-Sb for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:29:31 -0400 Received: from keys.pgpeng.com (keys.pgpeng.com [127.0.0.1]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal) with ESMTP id EE7B92B5F61; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pgpeng.com ([63.251.255.75]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:29:28 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:29:28 -0700 Received: from [63.251.255.74] (account derek HELO keys.pgpeng.com) by pgpeng.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPSA id 1916638; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:29:28 -0700 Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org ([130.129.87.246]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:29:28 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:29:28 -0700 Message-ID: <46A66126.8040702@pgp.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:29:26 -0400 From: Derek Atkins User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roland Bless Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP problems References: <46A65E65.8030001@tm.uka.de> In-Reply-To: <46A65E65.8030001@tm.uka.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Roland Bless wrote: > Hi, > > I couldn't get an address for more than 1 hour after I lost > my connection somehow. I then tried my luck in the terminal > room, thinking that the wired network would be more robust. > The problem was the same. So it seems to be related to the > DHCP server or some "clever" filtering mechanisms that try > to improve the security. Just now in the beverage break I > got very quick a working lease via the wireless... It's worse than that! DHCP gives out different ranges on the 802.11a versus 802.11b/g networks.. So when I lost my network and came up on the other one I got a DIFFERENT address! But if I just ignored DHCP and just migrated without asking for a new address it still worked. Kind of annoying that there are different DHCP servers that are doling out different addresses to the same machine. :( > Regards, > Roland -derek -- Derek Atkins Principal Software Engineer PGP Corporation 4 Farragut Ave Somerville, MA 02144 +1 617 623 3745 | warlord@pgp.com PGP Corporation -- Rest Secured.(TM) PGP Fingerprint: 0FEE 5EA1 FF22 E0C9 4FFE 631A 9232 FF93 1C80 1DB7 This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto) by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copies of this email and any attachments thereto. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 16:30:02 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDR18-0006pT-Bq; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:30:02 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDR17-0006o7-D0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:30:01 -0400 Received: from white.flame.org ([204.152.186.144]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDR17-000652-1H for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:30:01 -0400 Received: from white.flame.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.flame.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FCB327A86; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.19.246] (dhcp-13f6.ietf69.org [130.129.19.246]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by white.flame.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1CF327A84; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46A6A796.5030508@isc.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:29:58 -0500 From: Michael Graff User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Crocker Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Grand ballroom and jackhammer References: <547D07B4-E158-4C1B-82DA-79E0FC79386E@cisco.com> <46A643D0.9000004@bbiw.net> In-Reply-To: <46A643D0.9000004@bbiw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org In the Monroe room during dnsops, we had to put up with both the low bass sound of hammering, which sounded like someone hitting the floor with a sledge from a distance away, to the scrape-scrape-scrape of a shovel. Enough that at one point someone said into the microphone, "Can we please have the shoveling stop?" It did not, of course, but it was rather disruptive. I can handle being woken up 30 minutes early in the morning. I really do not think we are getting a good deal out of this place if we cannot hear the meetings, even with microphones. --Michael _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 16:44:06 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDREg-0007mU-Jx; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:44:02 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDREc-0007iM-N2 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:43:58 -0400 Received: from lemland.kurtis.pp.se ([2001:670:87:2::25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDREc-0002cF-BE for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:43:58 -0400 Received: from [130.129.21.232] (dhcp-15e8.ietf69.org [130.129.21.232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by lemland.kurtis.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F3C78C97; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:43:56 +0300 (EEST) In-Reply-To: <46A64E2A.9070005@tm.uka.de> References: <46A64E2A.9070005@tm.uka.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:43:45 +0200 To: Roland Bless X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: IPv6 Operations , 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 24 jul 2007, at 21.08, Roland Bless wrote: > >> It will be really nice to make sure that we can progress with more >> parameters available in the RA. > > Yes, but host implementations must also be enable to make use > of such features... It would be even better if there was even content I could access with or without those features... - kurtis - _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 16:46:15 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRGp-000143-25; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:46:15 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRGm-00013q-6K; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:46:12 -0400 Received: from lemland.kurtis.pp.se ([2001:670:87:2::25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRGk-0002ea-UK; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:46:12 -0400 Received: from [130.129.21.232] (dhcp-15e8.ietf69.org [130.129.21.232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by lemland.kurtis.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331BB78D27; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:46:09 +0300 (EEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, 69attendees@ietf.org From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:46:03 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Cc: Subject: [69ATTENDEES] IAOC office hours X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org The IAOC will again be holding open office hours in Parlor A on Wednesday 16.00-17.00 Thursday 16.00-17.00 On behalf of the IAOC - kurtis - _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 16:48:41 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRJA-0002Ee-Fx; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:48:40 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRJ8-0002CR-Bs for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:48:38 -0400 Received: from mx.isc.org ([2001:4f8:0:2::1c]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRJ6-0002iC-S3 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:48:38 -0400 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445EC114021; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:48:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Shane_Kerr@isc.org) Received: from [172.28.171.13] (unknown [67.97.210.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F14E6009; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:48:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shane@isc.org) Message-ID: <46A665A3.3090109@isc.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:48:35 +0200 From: Shane Kerr Organization: ISC User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (X11/20070723) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: shane_kerr@isc.org List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jordi, > The other issue I see is that we really need to have an IETF in regions such > as Latin America and Africa. 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Janet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote on 07/24/2007 04:23:04 PM: > Hi Michal, > > Changed subject ... > > The main reason why I've not progressed with the idea of an IETF in Madrid > seems to be because the hotel is not downtown. However is much better > located and has much better public transport that places where we have met > before, such as Dallas or San Diego. In fact, both times when the IETF venue > was "rejected" we had an IETF in San Diego shortly after. Quite curious > situation ! > > The other issue I see is that we really need to have an IETF in regions such > as Latin America and Africa. May be Africa in 2-3 years, because I'm not > sure there are now good venues available, but in Latin America, I can see > venues available that could be confirmed for 1-2 years from now. Locations > such as Mexico, Brazil, Chile and probably Argentina have those venues > available I believe. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > > > De: Michal Krsek > > Responder a: > > Fecha: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:20:14 -0500 > > Para: <69attendees@ietf.org> > > CC: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > > Asunto: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US > > > > Hi Jordi, > > > >> It seems that the controls are going worst and actually getting really > >> annoying. I was stuck in 4 different controls, taking me more than 4 hours > >> since the flight landed until being able to come to the hotel. > > > > seems strange for me. I've entered US in Atlanta and have to say I've got > > only two questions: > > > > a) Trip purpose > > b) Length of the stay > > > > Passed all the queues in about 20 minutes (including 15 minutes of waiting > > for my luggage). > > > > This has to be shortest immigration pass in my history (last time I've spent > > about 20 minutes talking to immigration officer about my t-shirt -there has > > been USS Missouri on it and he has been on board during WW 2nd). > > > >> If this is the situation we are going to have in the next meetings and > >> this > >> is happening to more and more people as I've been told today, > >> definitively, > >> US *MUST* be excluded for any next meetings, as this is totally > >> unacceptable. > > > > I'm not ure if IETF/ISOC has so much power to talk to TSA nor DHS. > > > > I have to say that if immigration control will go same way for a while, I'll > > not be asked about anything during my next visit :-) > > > > Regards > > Michal > > > > P.S: BTW I'd like to see IETF meeting in Spain - would you like act as local > > volunteer? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --=_alternative 0073483B85257322_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Given the horror stories I have been hearing from people involved with the Pan Am Games in Rio- I don't think Rio is ready for IETF.

Janet


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JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote on 07/24/2007 04:23:04 PM:

> Hi Michal,
>
> Changed subject ...
>
> The main reason why I've not progressed with the idea of an IETF in Madrid
> seems to be because the hotel is not downtown. However is much better
> located and has much better public transport that places where we have met
> before, such as Dallas or San Diego. In fact, both times when the IETF venue
> was "rejected" we had an IETF in San Diego shortly after. Quite curious
> situation !
>
> The other issue I see is that we really need to have an IETF in regions such
> as Latin America and Africa. May be Africa in 2-3 years, because I'm not
> sure there are now good venues available, but in Latin America, I can see
> venues available that could be confirmed for 1-2 years from now. Locations
> such as Mexico, Brazil, Chile and probably Argentina have those venues
> available I believe.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
>
>
> > De: Michal Krsek <michal@krsek.cz>
> > Responder a: <michal@krsek.cz>
> > Fecha: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:20:14 -0500
> > Para: <69attendees@ietf.org>
> > CC: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
> > Asunto: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Immigration issues in US
> >
> > Hi Jordi,
> >
> >> It seems that the controls are going worst and actually getting really
> >> annoying. I was stuck in 4 different controls, taking me more than 4 hours
> >> since the flight landed until being able to come to the hotel.
> >
> > seems strange for me. I've entered US in Atlanta and have to say I've got
> > only two questions:
> >
> > a) Trip purpose
> > b) Length of the stay
> >
> > Passed all the queues in about 20 minutes (including 15 minutes of waiting
> > for my luggage).
> >
> > This has to be shortest immigration pass in my history (last time I've spent
> > about 20 minutes talking to immigration officer about my t-shirt -there has
> > been USS Missouri on it and he has been on board during WW 2nd).
> >
> >> If this is the situation we are going to have in the next meetings and
> >> this
> >> is happening to more and more people as I've been told today,
> >> definitively,
> >> US *MUST* be excluded for any next meetings, as this is totally
> >> unacceptable.
> >
> > I'm not ure if IETF/ISOC has so much power to talk to TSA nor DHS.
> >
> > I have to say that if immigration control will go same way for a while, I'll
> > not be asked about anything during my next visit :-)
> >
> >             Regards
> >                 Michal
> >
> > P.S: BTW I'd like to see IETF meeting in Spain - would you like act as local
> > volunteer?
> >
>
>
>
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 --=_alternative 0073483B85257322_=-- --===============1043606961== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============1043606961==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:04:24 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRYN-0006MT-Nz; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:04:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRYM-0006MN-6m for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:04:22 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com ([208.184.79.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRYL-0002zJ-NG for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:04:22 -0400 Received: from [130.129.85.90] ([130.129.85.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6OL3qhC030313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:03:59 -0700 Message-ID: <46A6694A.1090201@bbiw.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:04:10 -0500 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: toby.moncaster@bt.com Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] I can't hear you! References: <200707241832.l6OIWCFE001194@bright.research.att.com> <46A647CA.8020804@bbiw.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SongbirdInformation: support@songbird.com for more information X-Songbird: Clean X-Songbird-From: dcrocker@bbiw.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org toby.moncaster@bt.com wrote: > I suspect the problem is that the hotel is run by Hilton and the building > is owned (and being renovated) by Thor Equities Those kinds of realities make the coordination and control issues more challenging, but they are not the core of the problem. Because there appears to be a pattern of running noisy machinery next to -- and I do mean right on the other side of the wall -- various meeting rooms, it suggests that the hotel management has not made a point of planning to avoid noise-making that disrupts the meetings. To the extent that they have made general efforts, they clearly have not been keeping close coordination on this, such as making sure that the construction project manager has specific lists of the venues and times which must not have machinery operated nearby... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:06:43 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRac-00087F-6S; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:06:42 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRaZ-0007za-Sg for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:06:39 -0400 Received: from mx-in01.nouzelle.com ([87.119.194.132] helo=mx-in03.nouzelle.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRaY-00031y-AV for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:06:39 -0400 Received: from internal02.nouzelle.com (unknown [172.29.32.13]) by mx-in03.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E265740B405; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:06:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailscan.nouzelle.com (unknown [172.29.32.10]) by internal02.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963432B1ABA; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:06:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from internal02.nouzelle.com ([172.29.32.13]) by mailscan.nouzelle.com (mailscan.nouzelle.com [172.29.32.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 17501-06; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:06:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Beowulf (vpn03.witopia.net [38.119.112.190]) by internal02.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C792B1AB9; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:06:25 +0200 (CEST) From: "Arnoud van Wijk" To: "'Nathaniel Borenstein'" , "'Barry Leiba'" References: <2DAE7917D6D97DC5A972F1BE@Uranus.local> <229C3ACB-ED89-4CE7-B80B-287C1211C618@guppylake.com> In-Reply-To: <229C3ACB-ED89-4CE7-B80B-287C1211C618@guppylake.com> Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] I can't hear you! Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:06:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c7ce36$79d0a060$6d71e120$@nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfOG8sVLfNByY0+TSSNKkcKxoziRAAGpRXA Content-Language: nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nouzelle.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.717 required=3 tests=AWL, BAYES_05 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org So you see, Being deaf sometimes has some advantages :-) Arnoud A. T. van Wijk AnnieS http://www.annies.nl/content/inEnglish/home.asp Mobile textphone (SIP): arnoud.vanwijk@annies.nl > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathaniel Borenstein [mailto:nsb@guppylake.com] > Sent: dinsdag 24 juli 2007 12:55 > To: Barry Leiba > Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] I can't hear you! > > I hope we get an extra special discount for enduring pounding > hammering noises that start at 7 AM -- three mornings in a row so > far. -- Nathaniel > > On Jul 24, 2007, at 7/24/0710:46 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: > > > We probably get a very good deal from hotels that are under noisy > > construction. > > > > It's a false economy. > > > > I suggest that we not arrange meetings in hotels that are in > > intermediate stages of renovation. > > > > Barry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:11:43 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRfR-00049d-Hd; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:11:41 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRfP-00047v-Kz for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:11:39 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com ([208.184.79.10]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRfP-0006vP-3N for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:11:39 -0400 Received: from [130.129.85.90] ([130.129.85.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6OLBMkv032574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:11:24 -0700 Message-ID: <46A66B0C.4050809@bbiw.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:11:40 -0500 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions References: <46A665A3.3090109@isc.org> In-Reply-To: <46A665A3.3090109@isc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SongbirdInformation: support@songbird.com for more information X-Songbird: Clean X-Songbird-From: dcrocker@bbiw.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Shane Kerr wrote: >> The other issue I see is that we really need to have an IETF in regions such >> as Latin America and Africa. > > Why? Indeed. I believe the current model is to locate IETF meetings in venues convenient to significant constituencies of *current* participants. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:12:01 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRfl-0004ID-Gb; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:12:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRfk-0004I8-Sj for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:12:00 -0400 Received: from medel.switch.ch ([2001:620:0:14:214:4fff:fe75:4775]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRfj-000377-5X for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:12:00 -0400 Received: from [130.59.6.129] (helo=machb.switch.ch) by medel.switch.ch with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IDRff-0007Eu-GD; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:11:55 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:08:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Bernie Hoeneisen X-X-Sender: bhoeneis@machb To: Shane Kerr Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SWITCH-SCANNER: bypassed X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Shane, On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Shane Kerr wrote: >> The other issue I see is that we really need to have an IETF in regions such >> as Latin America and Africa. > > Why? Why not? cheers, Bernie _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:14:04 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRhj-00052D-VT; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:14:03 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRhj-000528-Gt for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:14:03 -0400 Received: from hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net ([216.37.94.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRhj-0006xW-3G for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:14:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 26617 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 2007 21:06:24 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 26610, pid: 26613, t: 0.7367s scanners: clamav: 0.90.2/m: spam: 3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.2 required=6.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_99 autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.28.171.237?) (jordi.palet@consulintel.es@67.97.210.2) by hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net with ESMTPA; 24 Jul 2007 21:06:24 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:13:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfON4oryHGnnDoqEdySDQAX8sYbNQ== In-Reply-To: <46A665A3.3090109@isc.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Because we can't come to US if immigration is getting worst, because it wil= l be cheaper, because IETF need to be met where other people is participating (more and more people from those regions is coming to meetings and they should have the same opportunities), etc. Regards, Jordi > De: Shane Kerr > Organizaci=F3n: ISC > Responder a: > Fecha: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:48:35 +0200 > Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > CC: <69attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions >=20 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > Jordi, >=20 >> The other issue I see is that we really need to have an IETF in regions = such >> as Latin America and Africa. >=20 > Why? >=20 > - -- > Shane > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >=20 > iD8DBQFGpmWjMsfZxBO4kbQRAkLRAJ9NP3kp0kRNk8w5u3m9o2W00q9SrACgoksp > bzHy9yJ12DijJIfHZcBTDOM=3D > =3DwANE > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:17:20 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRkt-0008Ce-7o; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:17:19 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRkq-00082P-Oe for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:17:16 -0400 Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com ([135.245.0.33]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRkp-00072O-He for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:17:15 -0400 Received: from ilexp03.ndc.lucent.com (h135-3-39-50.lucent.com [135.3.39.50]) by ihemail1.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id l6OLHEe2023785 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:17:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DEEXP01.de.lucent.com ([135.248.187.65]) by ilexp03.ndc.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:17:14 -0500 Received: from DEEXC1U02.de.lucent.com ([135.248.187.30]) by DEEXP01.de.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:17:11 +0200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: off-topic: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:17:07 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: off-topic: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfON0szVdREU4BuQcSv8kInw/GDMgAAHzxw References: From: "Wijnen, Bert \(Bert\)" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2007 21:17:11.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[0016E7A0:01C7CE38] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.33 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org was this mailing list not intended for discussion of items/issues/topics w.r.t=20 yo IETF69? That is in Chicago and NOT in other regions. I think this is off-topic for this list Bert Wijnen =20 _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:23:18 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRqf-0004VZ-OE; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:23:17 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRqd-0004UG-Ap for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:23:15 -0400 Received: from smtp4.smtp.bt.com ([217.32.164.151]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRqc-00079a-SQ for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:23:15 -0400 Received: from E03MVZ4-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.30.64]) by smtp4.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:23:14 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:23:23 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46A66B0C.4050809@bbiw.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfON0Bphz2QbHV3QX+Pd7drx9zMQAAALLgw From: To: <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2007 21:23:14.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[D802A190:01C7CE38] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org The current algorithm for choosing venues is distinctly flawed in that it allows for 50% of meetings to be in North America. Currently North America only accounts for 40%of IETF work... Clearly if you also take into account the excessive problems caused by US Immigration (which is getting worse according to mails on this list), then it would be sensible to consider other venues. Unfortunately if we are tied to having meetings in the Hilton you have to have the meeting in a venue with a sufficiently large Hilton... Toby=20 PS, I think this thread, taken in parallel with the threads on noisy meeting rooms and problems with immigration are directly on topic for this list (at least this is the most obvious one to discuss them on at present) -----Original Message----- From: Dave Crocker [mailto:dcrocker@bbiw.net]=20 Sent: 24 July 2007 16:12 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Shane Kerr wrote: >> The other issue I see is that we really need to have an IETF in=20 >> regions such as Latin America and Africa. >=20 > Why? Indeed. I believe the current model is to locate IETF meetings in venues convenient to significant constituencies of *current* participants. d/ --=20 Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:30:01 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRxA-0001hm-QP; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:30:00 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRx7-0001he-V1 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:29:57 -0400 Received: from bortzmeyer.netaktiv.com ([80.67.170.53] helo=mail.bortzmeyer.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRx6-0003T9-J0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:29:57 -0400 Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 16887240817; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:29:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fetiche (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0938717AAB; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:17:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:17:16 -0500 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Janet P Gunn Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Message-ID: <20070724211716.GA1383@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 04:59:12PM -0400, Janet P Gunn wrote a message of 251 lines which said: > Given the horror stories I have been hearing from people involved > with the Pan Am Games in Rio- I don't think Rio is ready for IETF. The Internet Governance Forum, this autumn, takes place in Rio. I'll report :-) _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:32:09 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRzE-0002id-EQ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:32:08 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRzD-0002hy-Bl for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:32:07 -0400 Received: from hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net ([216.37.94.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRzC-0007JD-TY for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:32:07 -0400 Received: (qmail 27905 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 2007 21:24:29 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 27892, pid: 27901, t: 0.7644s scanners: clamav: 0.90.2/m: spam: 3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.2 required=6.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_99 autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.28.171.237?) (jordi.palet@consulintel.es@67.97.210.2) by hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net with ESMTPA; 24 Jul 2007 21:24:28 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:31:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfOOhBJTqSh0DotEdySDQAX8sYbNQ== In-Reply-To: <46A66B0C.4050809@bbiw.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I disagree, we have discussed this tons of times, and it was clear that a balance is needed, and we never met in those regions and people from there is starting to participate, so we need to be fair with them. That said, it will be fair to ourselves, because we will have less traveling issues and lower cost. Regards, Jordi > De: Dave Crocker > Organizaci=F3n: Brandenburg InternetWorking > Responder a: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > Fecha: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:11:40 -0500 > Para: <69attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions >=20 >=20 >=20 > Shane Kerr wrote: >>> The other issue I see is that we really need to have an IETF in regions= such >>> as Latin America and Africa. >>=20 >> Why? >=20 >=20 > Indeed. >=20 > I believe the current model is to locate IETF meetings in venues convenie= nt to > significant constituencies of *current* participants. >=20 > d/ >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:32:30 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRza-0002qc-EI; 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Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:32:44 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.189]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6OLWaRb012639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:32:36 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l6OLWaOZ021481 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:32:36 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l6OLWaLC021480 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:32:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:32:36 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Grand ballroom and jackhammer Message-ID: <20070724213236.GC21266@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <547D07B4-E158-4C1B-82DA-79E0FC79386E@cisco.com> <46A643D0.9000004@bbiw.net> <46A6A796.5030508@isc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46A6A796.5030508@isc.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Null-Tag: 928ed2af599a4e8a5cec6d09748a2927 X-Null-Tag: 57cf0b3b8ade12ef6a94090d43d0f77d X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 08:29:58PM -0500, Michael Graff wrote: > In the Monroe room during dnsops, we had to put up with both the low > bass sound of hammering, which sounded like someone hitting the floor > with a sledge from a distance away, to the scrape-scrape-scrape of a > shovel. Enough that at one point someone said into the microphone, "Can > we please have the shoveling stop?" It did not, of course, but it was > rather disruptive. > > I can handle being woken up 30 minutes early in the morning. I really > do not think we are getting a good deal out of this place if we cannot > hear the meetings, even with microphones. Yesterday around 6am, maybe earlier, I heard what sounded like my next door room neighbour sawing up his bed into tiny pieces. For at least one hour. Since we have some kind of long-term deal with Hilton (I believe?) then presumably we can use that relationship to help reduce such building works during conferences in the future. -- Tim _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:32:59 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS03-0003n0-K9; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:32:59 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS01-0003ik-Nc for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:32:57 -0400 Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS00-0003Xp-Gf for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:32:57 -0400 Received: from dm-east-01.east.sun.com ([129.148.9.192]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l6OLWtCU019055 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:32:55 GMT Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (punchin-client-129-148-19-35.East.Sun.COM [129.148.19.35]) by dm-east-01.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id l6OLWtZq038252 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OLTnbC001704; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:29:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nico@localhost) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0/Submit) id l6OLTmwO001703; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:29:48 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.east.sun.com: nico set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:29:48 -0500 From: Nico To: toby.moncaster@bt.com Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Message-ID: <20070724212947.GB1666@Sun.COM> References: <46A66B0C.4050809@bbiw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 10:23:23PM +0100, toby.moncaster@bt.com wrote: > The current algorithm for choosing venues is distinctly flawed in that > it allows for 50% of meetings to be in North America. Currently North > America only accounts for 40%of IETF work... > > Clearly if you also take into account the excessive problems caused by > US Immigration (which is getting worse according to mails on this list), > then it would be sensible to consider other venues. Unfortunately if we > are tied to having meetings in the Hilton you have to have the meeting > in a venue with a sufficiently large Hilton... None of which justifies meeting in South America or Africa, which was the topic of the sub-thread you were responding to. The problems with U.S. immigration may or may not be getting worse or better -- but U.S. immigration certainly seems much too unpredictable according to the posts on this list, and that is a real problem. I would hope that those signs you see about immigration staff being the face of the nation aren't merely pithy bromides, but I take the U.S. persons line, so I wouldn't know from personal experience. Perhaps those signs indicate how to send feedback? Nico -- _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:34:17 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS1I-0005zF-TJ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:34:16 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS1I-0005zA-2N for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:34:16 -0400 Received: from hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net ([216.37.94.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS1H-0007Oi-LR for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:34:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 27994 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 2007 21:26:39 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 27988, pid: 27990, t: 0.8865s scanners: clamav: 0.90.2/m: spam: 3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.2 required=6.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_99 autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.28.171.237?) (jordi.palet@consulintel.es@67.97.210.2) by hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net with ESMTPA; 24 Jul 2007 21:26:38 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:34:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfON0Bphz2QbHV3QX+Pd7drx9zMQAAALLgwAACaePM= In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d0bdc596f8dd1c226c458f0b4df27a88 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org We are NOT tied to Hilton at all. We have a good deal with them, but is a non-exclusive contract, so we can use other venues as required. Regards, Jordi > De: > Responder a: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > Fecha: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:23:23 +0100 > Para: <69attendees@ietf.org> > Conversaci=F3n: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions > Asunto: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions >=20 > The current algorithm for choosing venues is distinctly flawed in that > it allows for 50% of meetings to be in North America. Currently North > America only accounts for 40%of IETF work... >=20 > Clearly if you also take into account the excessive problems caused by > US Immigration (which is getting worse according to mails on this list), > then it would be sensible to consider other venues. Unfortunately if we > are tied to having meetings in the Hilton you have to have the meeting > in a venue with a sufficiently large Hilton... >=20 > Toby=20 >=20 > PS, I think this thread, taken in parallel with the threads on noisy > meeting rooms and problems with immigration are directly on topic for > this list (at least this is the most obvious one to discuss them on at > present) >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Crocker [mailto:dcrocker@bbiw.net] > Sent: 24 July 2007 16:12 > To: 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions >=20 >=20 >=20 > Shane Kerr wrote: >>> The other issue I see is that we really need to have an IETF in >>> regions such as Latin America and Africa. >>=20 >> Why? >=20 >=20 > Indeed. >=20 > I believe the current model is to locate IETF meetings in venues > convenient to significant constituencies of *current* participants. >=20 > d/ >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:38:31 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS5O-00018X-7k; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:38:30 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS5N-00018R-PR for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:38:29 -0400 Received: from tls.sendmail.com ([209.246.26.40] helo=foon.sendmail.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS5K-0003gG-AT for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:38:29 -0400 Received: from lab.smi.sendmail.com ([10.210.100.93]) by foon.sendmail.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id l6OLedWU019250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:40:39 -0700 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v1.0.0 foon.sendmail.com l6OLedWU019250 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sendmail.com; s=tls.dkim; t=1185313241; bh=sEVm2vnGSKyLrlHed+5ANLluA6vKd9NrQTyHpu TXXek=; h=X-DomainKeys:DomainKey-Signature:Received:Received: X-Authentication-Warning:Date:From:X-X-Sender:To:cc:Subject: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BQM TdCgbY4OC9Z73p6RLUG5/9v+Dtzl+UJ/q3HULH6/OCDqY2gbO1kbvHvOGvi0+WfUQMf 8axU9ap2PyfbtJdpTrPKpWxlkZHWOOutVz58I1LUIEkqIHtr2E+XIfC6+/MoyFRggZA g/EthoM962sTyNnnN7bzvXkpYSoXPfT3Cw= X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v0.6.0 foon.sendmail.com l6OLedWU019250 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=tls; d=sendmail.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=received:received:x-authentication-warning:date:from: x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references: mime-version:content-type; b=to7iIK50E+KDmFSIEdlTverUski2eD14SHwNocOzWsDkAOy3HsOC6TQZWEnxMAYAi YjNHH2NahCT7jKUBhwRu8lsnrkmWy2Z9Fzd7XjPxHYs/QR//Z+QuKZ0T5KRcVykpkNH n/27MvV+IPpVktbpoYzobByAMgpze9B0jyTfjFA= Received: from lab.smi.sendmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lab.smi.sendmail.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6OLbn9Y060253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:37:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msk@sendmail.com) Received: from localhost (msk@localhost) by lab.smi.sendmail.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) with ESMTP id l6OLbnY3060250; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:37:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msk@sendmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: lab.smi.sendmail.com: msk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:37:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" X-X-Sender: msk@lab.smi.sendmail.com To: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" Subject: Re: off-topic: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070724143732.H42910@lab.smi.sendmail.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote: > was this mailing list not intended for discussion of items/issues/topics > w.r.t yo IETF69? That is in Chicago and NOT in other regions. > > I think this is off-topic for this list I think we need a 69KVETCH. Please don't add me to it. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:39:19 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS6B-0001Xz-2c; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:39:19 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS69-0001Xk-Uw for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:39:17 -0400 Received: from discorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.38]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS69-0007Vl-BS for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:39:17 -0400 Received: from iseran.local (dhcp-118e.ietf69.org [130.129.17.142]) (authenticated bits=0) by discorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l6OLdERi015822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:39:16 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:39:14 +0200 From: Thierry Ernst To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Message-Id: <20070724233914.b8fb294e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: <46A665A3.3090109@isc.org> References: <46A665A3.3090109@isc.org> Organization: INRIA X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.3 (GTK+ 2.10.6; powerpc-apple-darwin8.8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at discorde with ID 46A67182.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> The other issue I see is that we really need to have an IETF in regions such >> as Latin America and Africa. > >Why? [At the risk of repeating what was already said by others or even myself in earlier threads on the same topic - it's like any TV serie, we know the pros and cons and we also know it's going to end the same way, everyone meeting in Minneapolis or San Diego ;-). But how to miss a TV favourite ? So:] I would say that having a meeting in other regions will boost attendance and later involvment at the IETF from people in these regions. I would use Korea as an example: before the IETF was held in Seoul in 2003, contribution from Korea was quite limited, but now Korea is major player in many working groups. Of course, I do understand that some may think the IETF is not designed to help other nations to catch up with Internet technologies (I think it should), but this kind of protectionist thinking would imply that the IETF is not independent and is a puppet in someone's hands - what many people outside the IETF (http://www.ietf.org/tao.html explains what is the IETF and how it is governed). Whereas I would agree that currently Latin America and Africa is somewhat limited I would also wonder if we - as a community - don't share part of the responsability for the current situation. Regarding Spain, I do not understand why the IETF meeting has never been held there though there is evident support and will from national there. And I do agree that besides nice weather in San Diego, getting there several times over the past few years was totally unjustified and the chosen hotel was unpractical for many of us. And here in Chicago, the IETF may have a deal with Hilton, but I think the room prices is skyrocketting. In some situation, I think I would prefer paying more expensive meeting fees and save on the hotel room. This may prove cheaper for many. Last time I proposed to meet in Dubai. They have great hotels, and it's a hub relatively easy to access for everyone. Or - we never did this - we could rent Queen Elisabeth on a cruise over the Atlantic or the Pacific Ocean, e.g. starting in Tokyo and ending in San Diego, so that everyone would be happy and take only 1 long-haul flight. Doing so 3 times a year we may get a good deal. Thierry _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:41:26 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS8E-0002EN-8O; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:41:26 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS8C-0002EA-SM for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:41:24 -0400 Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com ([147.28.0.81]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS8C-0007Z1-Dz for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:41:24 -0400 Received: from [130.129.20.118] (dhcp-1476.ietf69.org [130.129.20.118]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6OLfDQu064154; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:41:14 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <46A671F9.4040905@bogus.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:41:13 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Chown Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Grand ballroom and jackhammer References: <547D07B4-E158-4C1B-82DA-79E0FC79386E@cisco.com> <46A643D0.9000004@bbiw.net> <46A6A796.5030508@isc.org> <20070724213236.GC21266@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20070724213236.GC21266@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.90.2/3755/Tue Jul 24 19:26:14 2007 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tim Chown wrote: > Since we have some kind of long-term deal with Hilton (I believe?) then > presumably we can use that relationship to help reduce such building > works during conferences in the future. Normally having a long term contract with a hotel chain is a license for them to screw you on the incidentals in exchange for more predictable room and conference space rates. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:42:35 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS9K-0002io-8q; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:42:34 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS9J-0002ij-BM for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:42:33 -0400 Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS9I-0007al-Bu for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:42:33 -0400 Received: from dm-east-01.east.sun.com ([129.148.9.192]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l6OLgUp4007901 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:42:31 GMT Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (punchin-client-129-148-19-35.East.Sun.COM [129.148.19.35]) by dm-east-01.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id l6OLgUB2039470 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OLdPiA001720; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:39:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nico@localhost) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0/Submit) id l6OLdOqf001719; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:39:24 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.east.sun.com: nico set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:39:24 -0500 From: Nico To: Antoin Verschuren Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Message-ID: <20070724213923.GD1666@Sun.COM> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 11:32:28PM +0200, Antoin Verschuren wrote: > > > The other issue I see is that we really need to have an IETF in > > regions such > as Latin America and Africa. > > > > Why? > > 1. Because it cannot be worse than a meeting in the US I don't think it's that bad. When we meet in Europe the howls we hear about Heathrow are deafening, for example. > 2. It will be cheaper for 50% to attend Because of relative currency purchasing power? > 3. It will give more people the opportunity to attend Who don't attend yet. This is true, but perhaps they should start with the mailing lists, like most everyone else. > 4. It's fair to give the US people the opportunity to see there's an outside world and culture I reject this stereotype of Americans, particularly American IETF participants. > 5. We might even smoke in the lobby again :-) Certainly not in Buenos Aires. And I sure hope noone thinks this is a good reason to host an IETF meeting in any particular place. The smoking at the Prague hotel atrium was bad enough, thank you. > 6. We might get healthy food IETFers want fast lunches. Fast food is usually not as good as slow food. > 7. There might be not so many beggers around as here in Chicago Then again... Nico -- _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:43:02 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS9m-0003OP-LI; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:43:02 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS9l-0003Kl-6b for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:43:01 -0400 Received: from fardach.bofh.priv.at ([88.198.34.164] helo=mail.bofh.priv.at) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDS9j-0003mD-QC for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:43:01 -0400 Received: by mail.bofh.priv.at (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 21FA94DB6B; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:42:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:42:59 +0200 From: Otmar Lendl To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Message-ID: <20070724214259.GB3600@bofh.priv.at> References: <46A66B0C.4050809@bbiw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 2007/07/24 23:07, toby.moncaster@bt.com wrote: > > Clearly if you also take into account the excessive problems caused by > US Immigration (which is getting worse according to mails on this list), > then it would be sensible to consider other venues. To be fair, this time the immigration was harmless compared to what I experienced last year when coming through Washington/Dulles. The wait for the baggage was rather long, though. Regarding the early morning noise: well, I'm still so jet-lagged that I'm up anyway at this time. That might change after tonight's social, though. /ol -- -=- Otmar Lendl -- ol@bofh.priv.at -=- _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:44:58 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSBa-0006Bn-BP; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:44:54 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSBY-0006Bi-6n for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:44:52 -0400 Received: from hlid.ogud.com ([66.92.146.160] helo=ogud.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSBX-0007d8-OT for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:44:52 -0400 Received: from [130.129.23.235] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6OLimEw035025; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:44:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20070724212947.GB1666@Sun.COM> References: <46A66B0C.4050809@bbiw.net> <20070724212947.GB1666@Sun.COM> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:45:17 -0500 To: 69attendees@ietf.org From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org >>> The other issue I see is that we really need to have an IETF in >>>regions such >>> as Latin America and Africa. >> Why? >Why not? At the risk of repeating myself: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg42787.html -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Think glocally. Act confused. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:46:04 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSCh-0006m4-Fy; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:46:03 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSCf-0006lz-NQ for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:46:01 -0400 Received: from smtp3.andrew.com ([198.135.207.235] helo=andrew.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSCf-0007eL-9O for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:46:01 -0400 X-SEF-Processed: 5_0_0_910__2007_07_24_16_54_26 X-SEF-16EBA1E9-99E8-4E1D-A1CA-4971F5510AF: 1 Received: from aopexbh1.andrew.com [10.86.20.24] by smtp3.andrew.com - SurfControl E-mail Filter (5.2.1); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:54:26 -0500 Received: from AHQEX1.andrew.com ([10.86.20.21]) by aopexbh1.andrew.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:45:58 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:45:57 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070724214259.GB3600@bofh.priv.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfOO53KaWUDt7TcTHufcpwNdk7E0QAAEukg References: <46A66B0C.4050809@bbiw.net> <20070724214259.GB3600@bofh.priv.at> From: "Winterbottom, James" To: "Otmar Lendl" , <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2007 21:45:58.0568 (UTC) FILETIME=[054D9A80:01C7CE3C] X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I vote we buy an Island in the Maldives or in Dubai and setup a=0D=0Aperman= ent IETF community, so there is never a change of venue.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D= =0A> -----Original Message-----=0D=0A> From: Otmar Lendl [mailto:ol@bofh.pr= iv.at]=0D=0A> Sent: Wednesday, 25 July 2007 7:43 AM=0D=0A> To: 69attendees@= ietf.org=0D=0A> Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions=0D=0A>= =20=0D=0A> On 2007/07/24 23:07, toby.moncaster@bt.com wrote:=0D=0A> >=0D=0A= > > Clearly if you also take into account the excessive problems caused=0D=0A= by=0D=0A> > US Immigration (which is getting worse according to mails on th= is=0D=0Alist),=0D=0A> > then it would be sensible to consider other venues.=0D= =0A>=20=0D=0A> To be fair, this time the immigration was harmless compared = to what=0D=0A> I experienced last year when coming through Washington/Dulle= s.=0D=0A> The wait for the baggage was rather long, though.=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A= > Regarding the early morning noise: well, I'm still so jet-lagged that=0D=0A= > I'm up anyway at this time. That might change after tonight's social,=0D=0A= > though.=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> /ol=0D=0A> --=0D=0A> -=3D- Otmar Lendl -- ol@= bofh.priv.at -=3D-=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> ______________________________________= _________=0D=0A> 69ATTENDEES mailing list=0D=0A> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org=0D=0A= > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees=0D=0A=0D=0A-----------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------=0D=0AThis message is for the designated recipient only and may=0D= =0Acontain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. =20=0D= =0AIf you have received it in error, please notify the sender=0D=0Aimmediat= ely and delete the original. Any unauthorized use of=0D=0Athis email is pr= ohibited.=0D=0A------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------=0D=0A[mf2]=0D=0A _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 17:49:38 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSG7-0001Xo-QQ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:49:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSG6-0001Vx-3f for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:49:34 -0400 Received: from [2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe77:96e] (helo=owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSG5-0003tR-HF for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:49:34 -0400 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6OLnRF5011402 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:49:27 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.189]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6OLnJnr013866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:49:19 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l6OLnJkm021774 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:49:19 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l6OLnJfB021773 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:49:19 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:49:19 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Message-ID: <20070724214919.GG21266@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <46A665A3.3090109@isc.org> <20070724233914.b8fb294e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070724233914.b8fb294e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Null-Tag: 4407a2696f96c365be5f79deda02dd4e X-Null-Tag: 6a85be0000fb31db8dfa750f9d9950b4 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 11:39:14PM +0200, Thierry Ernst wrote: > > I would say that having a meeting in other regions will boost > attendance and later involvment at the IETF from people in these > regions. I would use Korea as an example: before the IETF was held in > Seoul in 2003, contribution from Korea was quite limited, but now Korea > is major player in many working groups. That seems to be a good point. How open is the organisation process? I'm not really aware of what locations get considered, or who offers to host particular meetings. I think the advanced location arrangements have taken vast strides forwards (e.g. being able to book hotels more than 1 meeting ahead :) but I'm not sure the selection process is that open... or is it? For example, have Joburg or Bangalore ever been put forward or considered? 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( [130.129.83.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u9sm26972660muf.2007.07.24.15.01.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46A676B7.2050101@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:01:27 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Chown Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions References: <46A665A3.3090109@isc.org> <20070724233914.b8fb294e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> <20070724214919.GG21266@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20070724214919.GG21266@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org > How open is the organisation process? I'm not really aware of what > locations get considered, or who offers to host particular meetings. > > I think the advanced location arrangements have taken vast strides > forwards (e.g. being able to book hotels more than 1 meeting ahead :) > but I'm not sure the selection process is that open... or is it? The problem is that both hotel contracts and sponsoring discussions are sensitive and can be ruined by public discussion. But there is no point deciding to go to Xanadu unless there is a willing sponsor and a successful hotel negotiation. So I don't see how the process can be opened up very much. Brian _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 18:04:55 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSUw-00045k-Cn; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:04:54 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSUt-00045d-V0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:04:51 -0400 Received: from discorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.38]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSUs-00047k-FK for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:04:51 -0400 Received: from iseran.local (dhcp-118e.ietf69.org [130.129.17.142]) (authenticated bits=0) by discorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l6OM4j3H020407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:04:49 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:04:45 +0200 From: Thierry Ernst To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Message-Id: <20070725000445.c247af0e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: INRIA X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.3 (GTK+ 2.10.6; powerpc-apple-darwin8.8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at discorde with ID 46A6777D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org >As for Africa, ICANN had a very good venue in Marrakech. Might want to go back there.. I would vote for Marrakech (lovely place) but this would mean that all IETFers would have a stamp on their passport from a country that would make US immigration more mistrusted. Even US citizens may have a hard time crossing the US immigration ;-) Thierry _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 18:18:32 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSi5-0005k7-RV; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:18:29 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSi4-0005k2-Gf for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:18:28 -0400 Received: from medel.switch.ch ([2001:620:0:14:214:4fff:fe75:4774]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSi4-0004OK-3M for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:18:28 -0400 Received: from [130.59.6.129] (helo=machb.switch.ch) by medel.switch.ch with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IDSi2-0002w5-3S; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:18:26 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:14:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Bernie Hoeneisen X-X-Sender: bhoeneis@machb To: Nico Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SWITCH-SCANNER: bypassed X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: Antoin Verschuren , 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Nico, On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Nico wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 11:32:28PM +0200, Antoin Verschuren wrote: >>> > The other issue I see is that we really need to have an IETF in >>> regions such > as Latin America and Africa. >>> >>> Why? >> >> 1. Because it cannot be worse than a meeting in the US > > I don't think it's that bad. When we meet in Europe the howls we hear > about Heathrow are deafening, for example. I'd say nobody is forced to fly via Heathrow (LHR), even if the meeting was in the UK. At least I usually avoid LHR. But if the meeting is in the US, non-North-Americans cannot avoid going through the humiliating process of US immagration, which sometimes takes hours... >> 3. It will give more people the opportunity to attend > > Who don't attend yet. This is true, but perhaps they should start with > the mailing lists, like most everyone else. So you mean first attending in mailing lists, writing I-Ds and then getting rejected your visa by the US government to actually attend the IETF, on grounds of being cityzen of the wrong country? Or how should I understand this statement...? cheers, Bernie _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 18:18:48 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSiO-0005qX-9v; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:18:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSiN-0005qS-2z for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:18:47 -0400 Received: from stewe.org ([85.214.23.117] helo=h665227.serverkompetenz.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSiL-0004OU-Gr for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:18:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 16378 invoked by uid 60000); 24 Jul 2007 20:49:13 -0000 Received: from 130.129.17.249 by h665227 (envelope-from , uid 60004) with qmail-scanner-1.24st visas (spamassassin: 2.64. Clear:RC:0(130.129.17.249):SA:0(0.0/20.0):. Processed in 0.159223 secs); 24 Jul 2007 20:49:13 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=20.0 X-Envelope-From: stewe@stewe.org Received: from dhcp-11f9.ietf69.org (HELO ?130.129.17.249?) (stewe@stewe.org@130.129.17.249) by stewe.org with SMTP; 24 Jul 2007 20:49:13 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070725000445.c247af0e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> References: <20070725000445.c247af0e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0F310C4B-B5CC-494F-A1C5-D270F13ED62E@stewe.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stephan Wenger Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:18:40 -0700 To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on h665227.serverkompetenz.net X-Spam-Level: X-Qmail-Scanner-MOVED-X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=20.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org It's actually also a problem in the opposite direction: when arriving in Arab countries (perhaps also predominately Muslim countries), and your passport contains many US and/or Israel immigration stamps (or, god forbid, a visa), you may get subjected to a type of questioning which makes the US immigration a quite trivial endeavor. Happened to me only once, but made me to check my options. As it turns out, that at least Germany allows me to have two passports, and use them selectively. Stephan On Jul 24, 2007, at 3:04 PM, Thierry Ernst wrote: > >> As for Africa, ICANN had a very good venue in Marrakech. Might >> want to go back there.. > > I would vote for Marrakech (lovely place) but this would mean that all > IETFers would have a stamp on their passport from a country that would > make US immigration more mistrusted. Even US citizens may have a hard > time crossing the US immigration ;-) > > Thierry > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 18:20:26 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSjx-00069w-S5; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:20:25 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSjw-00069o-Cf for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:20:24 -0400 Received: from io.pinknet.cz ([212.67.68.138]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSjv-0008D0-UG for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:20:24 -0400 Received: from MICHALVAIO (unknown [67.97.210.2]) by io.pinknet.cz (Postfix) with SMTP id 5022D2F4 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:20:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <01ad01c7ce40$ca92de00$bd148182@w2lan.cesnet.cz> From: "Michal Krsek" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> References: <46A665A3.3090109@isc.org><20070724233914.b8fb294e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> <20070724214919.GG21266@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:20:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi Tim, > How open is the organisation process? I'm not really aware of what > locations get considered, or who offers to host particular meetings. > > I think the advanced location arrangements have taken vast strides > forwards (e.g. being able to book hotels more than 1 meeting ahead :) > but I'm not sure the selection process is that open... or is it? for meeting at Prague, we found facilities that fit corresponding I-D http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-palet-ietf-meeting-network-requirements-00.txt mainly focused for network and size issues Then tried to secure as much money from local community as possible. Then offered venue to IETF/NSS - they went for hotel inspection and hotel pricing negotiations. It took about a year all together. It didn't be so easy like point in e-mail IETF/NSS to some locality. Until the final decission there weren't any warranty that the meeting will be in Prague. AFAIK there were three or more localities for that time. Regards Michal _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 18:20:48 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSkK-0006XM-HS; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:20:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSkI-0006XH-Eo for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:20:46 -0400 Received: from coconut.itojun.org ([2001:240:501:0:204:23ff:fecb:8908]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSkI-0004QN-0A for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:20:46 -0400 Received: by coconut.itojun.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3EC0D233D1; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:20:43 +0900 (JST) To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] DHCP In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:30:38 +0100" <20070724183038.GC18766@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <20070724183038.GC18766@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Cue version 0.8 (070521-1856/itojun) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20070724222043.3EC0D233D1@coconut.itojun.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:20:42 +0900 (JST) From: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org > > now i see rogue RAs which advertise fec0:0:0:4::/64 and > > 202:8281:1768:4::/64. my guess is that this is from the same guy. > > > > we need L2 switch vendors to implement ways to prevent rogue RA/DHCPv6 > > sources, just like ways to avoiding rogue DHCPv4 servers/relay agents. > > Any comments on > > http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/slides/dhc-5.pdf just to be sure: i've commented to v6ops list. DHCPv6 is NOT a solution. itojun _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 18:25:18 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSoe-0002aa-Qa; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:25:17 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSob-0002aA-H8 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:25:14 -0400 Received: from robin.verisign.com ([65.205.251.75]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDSob-0008Le-2B for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:25:13 -0400 Received: from MOU1WNEXCN03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (mailer6.verisign.com [65.205.251.33]) by robin.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l6OMPA68028357 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:25:12 -0700 Received: from MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.25.13.157]) by MOU1WNEXCN03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:25:08 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:25:08 -0700 Message-ID: <198A730C2044DE4A96749D13E167AD37013417A8@MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <20070724180832.GA18766@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: More hotel wierdness Thread-Index: AcfOHbWMV2EzhBCJTa6GvK+G+7RqQgD+f9SQ From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2007 22:25:08.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E1E2790:01C7CE41] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Subject: [69ATTENDEES] More hotel wierdness X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org With half the hotel blocked off for renovations I am pretty displeased = that the main throughfare from the lobby to the third floor is blocked = off for a 'Private Party'. The hotel should have the courtesy to keep all throughfares clear at all = times. Even more so when the elevator service is difficult to find on = some floors due to the renovations. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 18:53:23 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDTFn-0005FY-Kc; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:53:19 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDTFl-0005FS-VC for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:53:17 -0400 Received: from michael.checkpoint.com ([194.29.32.68]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDTFk-00053J-71 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:53:17 -0400 Received: from [172.31.21.181] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by michael.checkpoint.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l6OMrCn4000924 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:53:13 +0300 (IDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <0F310C4B-B5CC-494F-A1C5-D270F13ED62E@stewe.org> References: <20070725000445.c247af0e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> <0F310C4B-B5CC-494F-A1C5-D270F13ED62E@stewe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <970ADAC2-13B6-457F-8AA7-3B3B4961EAA8@checkpoint.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Yoav Nir Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:53:09 -0500 To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org And if all you've got is an Israeli passport, well, I guess you'll have to miss that IETF meeting. Seriously, I don't think either Israel or Arab countries are acceptable at this point. On Jul 24, 2007, at 5:18 PM, Stephan Wenger wrote: > It's actually also a problem in the opposite direction: when > arriving in Arab countries (perhaps also predominately Muslim > countries), and your passport contains many US and/or Israel > immigration stamps (or, god forbid, a visa), you may get subjected > to a type of questioning which makes the US immigration a quite > trivial endeavor. Happened to me only once, but made me to check > my options. As it turns out, that at least Germany allows me to > have two passports, and use them selectively. > Stephan > > > On Jul 24, 2007, at 3:04 PM, Thierry Ernst wrote: > >> >>> As for Africa, ICANN had a very good venue in Marrakech. Might >>> want to go back there.. >> >> I would vote for Marrakech (lovely place) but this would mean that >> all >> IETFers would have a stamp on their passport from a country that >> would >> make US immigration more mistrusted. Even US citizens may have a hard >> time crossing the US immigration ;-) >> >> Thierry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 18:54:50 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDTHG-0006Hm-AQ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:54:50 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDTHE-0006Hg-R9 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:54:48 -0400 Received: from mail.consulintel.es ([213.172.48.142] helo=consulintel.es) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDTHE-0000Q4-9e for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:54:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1185321108; x=1185925908; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Mime-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=XjFislHx0rmjrq tvS++bmWiUYDu7HEXWmsIECQcEoDLyyNAbIFh1ZqDyP1QAhiPzxsGpc+7Oy7VKid L1lvVBSm6O8GXCCYH0UTs90qbbJ8PoQsfUkrr+2Kq47Zpe6qd3UXdrWxg4qRtTGt vgC86KnlhrFOpqD1HUVPSmjgMGhFE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=oVDtt83VgA/jgAg0tHF5+DEwAJ90wLWkEzAFEOybh8OSY36HxTlABY6BWfiRwV2/fX9YBTsZbVp1tEkPc12Fp32ztrYzQIJonyppLJZzYluxCkIA6XgxsXE7UhFAwNhBBCSJC3mS8VwarQHPvJxudwGBClnSB6eHswPruu1tb5c=; Received: from [130.129.22.178] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002591947.msg for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:51:40 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:54:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfORYv8ykI5gjo4EdySDQAX8sYbNQ== In-Reply-To: <20070725000445.c247af0e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:070724:69attendees@ietf.org::tCIEgKQml4gLzcRe:000000000000000000000000000000000000000003sVR X-MDRemoteIP: 130.129.22.178 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on mail.consulintel.es X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=4.5 tests=BAYES_00, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:51:47 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:51:47 +0200 X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I don't believe that's correct. I know lots of people from many countries, including US, that was in ICANN/Marrakech and never got any issue because that. And if you are right and US do that, then it is a VERY SERIOUS issue enough for the IETF to take the decision of never coming back to US. Regards, Jordi > De: Thierry Ernst > Organizaci=F3n: INRIA > Responder a: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > Fecha: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:04:45 +0200 > Para: <69attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions >=20 >=20 >> As for Africa, ICANN had a very good venue in Marrakech. Might want to go >> back there.. >=20 > I would vote for Marrakech (lovely place) but this would mean that all > IETFers would have a stamp on their passport from a country that would > make US immigration more mistrusted. Even US citizens may have a hard > time crossing the US immigration ;-) >=20 > Thierry >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 19:00:09 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDTMN-0001jO-KG; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:00:07 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDTML-0001jI-QW for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:00:06 -0400 Received: from mail.consulintel.es ([213.172.48.142] helo=consulintel.es) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDTML-0000UL-18 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:00:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1185321425; x=1185926225; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Mime-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=AymH/WPIPWcf4H mkLLWQKHFUXqUj6B+MOS/T9bBrRyxMUvyxZIOJQhmzR9aAct0YVr9jf4kqk5ZRJO KXC9yVTZ3Mhxh1yCQkdI8ierPuX3kLcLXdKh3j77hgJYwU3+S/o9UxphYy6UWVXm 3eQ06g/dIA7Acb6Hbo6ksma8yBVCE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=ZaGsqjOWnt0yWTX91sPzGDi1qHPI6yEcYo+hoMH8oODHd9UwRttTwiok1DPYlpgJrQ/WJiyfNcl+uIgv8OctltdRUw1E25DiipGRVK2REkzRr7cXs+ljKB3FV23ccns8qAUyKpAD9JhvVV0fqWIAD8H796rctjLKaphnHohqqc0=; Received: from [130.129.22.178] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002591956.msg for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:57:05 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:59:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfORlwBmpQpnDo5EdySDQAX8sYbNQ== In-Reply-To: <0F310C4B-B5CC-494F-A1C5-D270F13ED62E@stewe.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:070724:69attendees@ietf.org::I6XR/0QOzXi8vFO+:000000000000000000000000000000000000000002Iom X-MDRemoteIP: 130.129.22.178 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on mail.consulintel.es X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=4.5 tests=BAYES_00, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:57:05 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:57:05 +0200 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b800b1eab964a31702fa68f1ff0e955 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I also doubt this is a general situation. I've traveled to all kind of countries many times, including several times per year to US, and then traveled to muslim and arab countries and never got this type of problem. I also hold two passports (I travel around 40 weeks per year and some times need to have one passport in a consulate to obtain a VISA, while traveling with the other), and by chance the passport I used this time to come to US was not having any arab or muslim or similar stamp, so that was definitively not the issue I was delayed. Regards, Jordi > De: Stephan Wenger > Responder a: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > Fecha: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:18:40 -0700 > Para: <69attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions > > It's actually also a problem in the opposite direction: when arriving > in Arab countries (perhaps also predominately Muslim countries), and > your passport contains many US and/or Israel immigration stamps (or, > god forbid, a visa), you may get subjected to a type of questioning > which makes the US immigration a quite trivial endeavor. Happened to > me only once, but made me to check my options. As it turns out, that > at least Germany allows me to have two passports, and use them > selectively. > Stephan > > > On Jul 24, 2007, at 3:04 PM, Thierry Ernst wrote: > >> >>> As for Africa, ICANN had a very good venue in Marrakech. Might >>> want to go back there.. >> >> I would vote for Marrakech (lovely place) but this would mean that all >> IETFers would have a stamp on their passport from a country that would >> make US immigration more mistrusted. Even US citizens may have a hard >> time crossing the US immigration ;-) >> >> Thierry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 19:15:56 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDTbe-00031L-P3; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:15:54 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDTbd-00031E-Hp for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:15:53 -0400 Received: from keskus.netlab.hut.fi ([130.233.154.176] helo=smtp.netlab.hut.fi) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDTbc-0005Rs-Az for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:15:53 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (keskus.netlab.hut.fi [130.233.154.176]) by smtp.netlab.hut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCDAC50E2 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:15:51 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <46A68805.4030309@netlab.hut.fi> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:15:17 -0500 From: Joerg Ott User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Video adapter cable found X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, we found a video adapter cable in the Red Lacquer room on the podium. Can be picked up at Lost&Found. Joerg _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 19:22:07 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDThe-0006Tt-QH; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:22:06 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDThd-0006Tn-FG for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:22:05 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.172] helo=mgw-ext13.nokia.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDThc-0000si-QF for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:22:05 -0400 Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext13.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l6ONLrQq012736; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:21:54 +0300 Received: from esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.34]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:21:53 +0300 Received: from esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.143]) by esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:21:52 +0300 Received: from 10.241.59.166 ([10.241.59.166]) by esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.143]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:21:52 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:21:49 +0300 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions From: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" To: ext Tim Chown , <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfOSWjTp6W+fDo8EdyNjwAWy5ylJg== In-Reply-To: <20070724214919.GG21266@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2007 23:21:52.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B2ACCD0:01C7CE49] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I think is definitely a mail worth answering on this mailing list, though, this is off-topic for the list. However, in hope that this would bring us more future hosts and good locations I do answer this. The selection process is not really open as such. The locations are selected based on price, suitability, and potential/willing hosts among other requirements. However, you can influence very greatly the possible locations by being willing to host a meeting. Thus, if you are willing to host in a certain place that suits the IETF that is relatively convenient (and I understand this is different for different people - like we have seen the difference in discussion in IETF68 and IETF69 discussion lists) to get to, please contact the IAOC, IAD, or Terry Monroe as described in http://iaoc.ietf.org/host_sponsor.html. To kind of summarize this, if you have a appropriate place and money to host, the IAOC is very interested to hear about it. Cheers, Jonne. On 7/25/07 12:49 AM, "ext Tim Chown" wrote: > That seems to be a good point. > > How open is the organisation process? I'm not really aware of what > locations get considered, or who offers to host particular meetings. > > I think the advanced location arrangements have taken vast strides > forwards (e.g. being able to book hotels more than 1 meeting ahead :) > but I'm not sure the selection process is that open... or is it? > > For example, have Joburg or Bangalore ever been put forward or considered? > > Tim -- Jonne Soininen Nokia Siemens Networks Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 19:32:36 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDTrm-0005lG-PH; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:32:34 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDTrl-0005j8-TK for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:32:33 -0400 Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDTrk-00011v-Bk for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:32:33 -0400 Received: from dm-east-01.east.sun.com ([129.148.9.192]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l6ONWUk7009486 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:32:31 GMT Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (punchin-client-129-148-19-35.East.Sun.COM [129.148.19.35]) by dm-east-01.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id l6ONWSPR052954 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6ONTGBH001777; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:29:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nico@localhost) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0/Submit) id l6ONB5Yw001762; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:11:05 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.east.sun.com: nico set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:11:05 -0500 From: Nico To: Bernie Hoeneisen Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Message-ID: <20070724231104.GA1719@Sun.COM> References: <20070724213923.GD1666@Sun.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: Antoin Verschuren , 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 12:12:33AM +0200, Bernie Hoeneisen wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Nico wrote: > >I don't think it's that bad. When we meet in Europe the howls we hear > >about Heathrow are deafening, for example. > > I'd say nobody is forced to fly via Heathrow (LHR), even if the meeting > was in the UK. At least I usually avoid LHR. > > But if the meeting is in the US, non-North-Americans cannot avoid going > through the humiliating process of US immagration, which sometimes takes > hours... I don't get to go through it, but I do get to go through intrusive Canadian immigration. French immigration has been so trivial that I barely got an entry stamp in my passport (the officer didn't even bother to ink the stamp). Czech immigration was surprisingly intrusive by comparison. We should want to hold IETF meetings in countries where immigration is not a hassle for visitors attending IETF meetings. I don't see an ideal location given all the parameters to optimize for. So I am happy with the current rotation scheme. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 21:16:10 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDVTw-0001IB-UC; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:16:04 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDVTv-00018D-9a for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:16:03 -0400 Received: from verilan.com ([70.103.134.18] helo=mail.verilan.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDVTu-0007tr-Vq for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:16:03 -0400 Received: from [130.129.102.125] (unknown [130.129.102.125]) by mail.verilan.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71E61844963 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <356FF40A-C25D-45B8-841C-485EFBCF6FA3@verilan.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: 69attendees@ietf.org From: Morgan Sackett Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:14:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Lost Phone X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org We had a phone turned in to the NOC that was left in the State room. 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If you received this message in error, please delete it immediately. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 01:11:32 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDZ9Q-0002oB-Ta; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:11:08 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDZ9P-0002o6-JA for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:11:07 -0400 Received: from mx.isc.org ([2001:4f8:0:2::1c]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDZ9P-0003n8-72 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:11:07 -0400 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA4A114079 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 05:11:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mark_Andrews@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost.isc.org [IPv6:::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B3FE6009 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 05:11:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6P5AubK081147; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:10:57 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200707250510.l6P5AubK081147@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Nico From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:11:05 EST." <20070724231104.GA1719@Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:10:56 +1000 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org, Antoin Verschuren , Bernie Hoeneisen X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org > On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 12:12:33AM +0200, Bernie Hoeneisen wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Nico wrote: > > >I don't think it's that bad. When we meet in Europe the howls we hear > > >about Heathrow are deafening, for example. > > > > I'd say nobody is forced to fly via Heathrow (LHR), even if the meeting > > was in the UK. At least I usually avoid LHR. > > > > But if the meeting is in the US, non-North-Americans cannot avoid going > > through the humiliating process of US immagration, which sometimes takes > > hours... > > I don't get to go through it, but I do get to go through intrusive > Canadian immigration. French immigration has been so trivial that I > barely got an entry stamp in my passport (the officer didn't even bother > to ink the stamp). Czech immigration was surprisingly intrusive by > comparison. I didn't even get a stamp entering France even though I presented my passport. > We should want to hold IETF meetings in countries where immigration is > not a hassle for visitors attending IETF meetings. I don't see an ideal > location given all the parameters to optimize for. So I am happy with > the current rotation scheme. > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@isc.org _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 10:23:06 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDhlQ-0006kM-Au; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:22:56 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDhlO-0006jB-S5 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:22:54 -0400 Received: from peter.ietf69.org ([130.129.5.6] helo=smtp.ietf69.org) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDhlK-0004X7-AZ for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:22:50 -0400 Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (dhcp-34fc.ietf69.org [130.129.52.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.ietf69.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF53D68001 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:22:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from marajade.sandelman.ca (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC164E7A6 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:57:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions In-Reply-To: Message from JORDI PALET MARTINEZ of "Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:13:54 CDT." References: X-Mailer: MH-E 7.82; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 19) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:57:39 -0500 Message-ID: <23160.1185339459@marajade.sandelman.ca> X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: cd26b070c2577ac175cd3a6d878c6248 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 So, looking at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/0mtg-sites.txt, and cutting the dates and hosts out, and leaving just country, and just swapping a couple so that the pattern is almost obvious Spring 2008 - 71st IETF Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA Summer 2008 - 72nd IETF Location: Europe (Provisional) Fall 2008 - 73rd IETF Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Spring 2009 - 74th IETF Location: Europe (Provisional) Fall 2009 - 76th IETF Location: North America (Provisional) Summer 2009 - 75th IETF Location: Asia (Provisional) Spring 2010 - 77th IETF Location: Anaheim, CA, USA Summer 2010 - 78th IETF Location: Europe (Provisional) Fall 2010 - 79th IETF Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Spring 2011 - 80th IETF Location: Europe (Provisional) Summer 2011 - 81st IETF Location: Asia (Provisional) Fall 2011 - 82nd IETF Location: North America - Canada (Provisional) Spring 2012 - 83rd IETF Location: Asia (Provisional) Summer 2012 - 84th IETF Location: North America - Canada (Provisional) Fall 2012 - 85th IETF Location: Europe (Provisional) Spring 2013 - 86th IETF Location: North America (Provisional) So, assuming that "North America", but Canada not specified means US, and does not mean: Mexico, Cuba or St.Pierre+Michelon (a french possession near Newfoundland) or Greenland, every *second meeting* is in the US until the 81st, and then Canada gets some turns. If I assume that "North America" could in fact mean Canada and Mexico, then we could have 4 of the next 16 meetings in the US. Some have called for returning to places that worked out for us, and I see that we are going to Minneapolis again. (except that it's in the US, that's fine with me!) In Canada, the primary choices are Vancouver, Montreal and Toronto. Secondary choices are Calgary and Ottawa. Calgary has significantly better airtravel connections, and I suspect has a better conference facility. {Ottawa is really no worse than Yokohama in theory: it's 1.5 hour train ride from a significantly well connected airport (Montreal), but we aren't organized for such train usage, nor do I think we can actually fit all of the IETF into a single conference facility. Maybe two hotels across the street from each other. And our hotels are rather busy during each of our normal meeting periods.} I therefore suggest that if you want the "North America" meetings to not be in the US, and you don't want to go back to Vancouver and Montreal regularly, then we have to either move some meetings to Africa/South America, or we have to find places in Mexico. I note that if one of the goals of alternating back and forth across the atlantic is to equalize travel costs, that it's probably equally expensive to travel south from the northern hemisphere, so my costs and Jordi's to attend in Johanesburg or Santiago are probably the same. - -- ] Bear: "Me, I'm just the shape of a bear." | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xelerance.com http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQEVAwUBRqbYQYCLcPvd0N1lAQI/jwf/RrBlxfuYwWCd6c2N9BQNqsmJHvY+GiXx zfrXI56sFanI7CsNmRFgSL1dU8XSDQBlEsv20ZoOnHzBSP2SRoEHJLSoNIaTb5fa w6Fx35W7gOZAwQYde/LRUalyTrf9tEyZDXYUIEKeHpWx/cOdOTNf0RT/egpGhH/9 AmDs1J0d1rY6qmOfuGSqnPaUUjf59vpAZ+4JNr+WPilQ6tJ8AWBqaPeUX5QWZXT3 gL7PViYm9DiPC0akBulW4zVPnLWR+FRho4zqP1FkpWjcYtOEciYwUWC5HnkGPCSR d4Ljbg1Vd3oSE2CzsNrR5UTxyr+Lt7O5H0J6AvrSHp5xgH/hktZAAw== =VsaJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 10:27:24 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDhpj-0000pZ-Ga; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:27:23 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDhpi-0000pT-G8 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:27:22 -0400 Received: from discorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.38]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDhph-0004dJ-R3 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:27:22 -0400 Received: from dhcp-15f9.ietf69.org (dhcp-15f9.ietf69.org [130.129.21.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by discorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l6PERIwB006344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:27:20 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:27:18 +0200 From: Thierry Ernst To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Message-Id: <20070725162718.012c3079.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: <200707250510.l6P5AubK081147@drugs.dv.isc.org> References: <20070724231104.GA1719@Sun.COM> <200707250510.l6P5AubK081147@drugs.dv.isc.org> Organization: INRIA X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.3 (GTK+ 2.10.6; powerpc-apple-darwin8.8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at discorde with ID 46A75DC6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> I don't get to go through it, but I do get to go through intrusive >> Canadian immigration. French immigration has been so trivial that I >> barely got an entry stamp in my passport (the officer didn't even bother >> to ink the stamp). Czech immigration was surprisingly intrusive by >> comparison. > > I didn't even get a stamp entering France even though I > presented my passport. Yes, and this is a well-knwon problem for those who need a permit of stay in France: when applying, they need a stamp proving the date of entry in the country, which often they don't have. Then starts the stamp quest. So, people in this situation are recommended to ask explicit for the stamp when they enters the country. When the do so, the immigration officers usually seem surprised, or even don't have ink to stamp (I witnessed this once, the ink was dry and the person had to go through 3 immigration officers to get his passport stamped at Charles de Gaulle Airport). Thierry _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 10:34:59 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDhx1-0006AD-DW; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:34:55 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDhwz-0006A7-A6 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:34:53 -0400 Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDhwy-0004pG-Jf for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:34:52 -0400 Received: from eastmail2bur.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.13.40]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l6PEYpOl006893 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:34:51 GMT Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (punchin-client-129-148-19-35.East.Sun.COM [129.148.19.35]) by eastmail2bur.East.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id l6PEYoMS025811 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PEVg21001723; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:31:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nico@localhost) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0/Submit) id l6PEVfkP001722; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:31:41 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.east.sun.com: nico set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:31:40 -0500 From: Nico To: Thierry Ernst Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Message-ID: <20070725143139.GC1584@Sun.COM> References: <20070724231104.GA1719@Sun.COM> <200707250510.l6P5AubK081147@drugs.dv.isc.org> <20070725162718.012c3079.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070725162718.012c3079.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 04:27:18PM +0200, Thierry Ernst wrote: > > I didn't even get a stamp entering France even though I > > presented my passport. > > Yes, and this is a well-knwon problem for those who need a permit of > stay in France: when applying, they need a stamp proving the date of > entry in the country, which often they don't have. Then starts the > stamp quest. Aha! That might be the reason, then, for not stamping visitors' passports: so they can't stay legally. (But I seriously doubt it.) (The immig officer who barely stamped my passport barely even looked at it or at me. I was astounded. Still am.) > So, people in this situation are recommended to ask explicit for the > stamp when they enters the country. When the do so, the immigration > officers usually seem surprised, or even don't have ink to stamp (I > witnessed this once, the ink was dry and the person had to go through 3 > immigration officers to get his passport stamped at Charles de Gaulle > Airport). That seems to rule out my theory above -- I'd expect the officers to become obnoxious and intrusive once you ask for a stamp. Nico -- _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 10:50:29 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiC4-0008Ld-0Z; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:50:28 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiC2-0008JX-2Y for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:50:26 -0400 Received: from mail.consulintel.es ([213.172.48.142] helo=consulintel.es) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiC0-00059v-VI for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:50:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1185378444; x=1185983244; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Mime-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=dHgKqF7+87tsfT qApKj3L8vU/tQdNx3dkxQ3V9i2IFCX6ruGbav/aWzQ8LPxcXm9sJMo6ITOKXANon XmpMHpaWZEJSVMVGNX8rP/WDlHVXlsy4UQ/AjaNugccuzqldqLrtTHKV2YXKv7eV 0TdAfRGaZZeLONtuuHwz766bA0b+U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=cnzMUxnPNrhGtHRuArVOf0Dc+MMwlWS6ywezR/gVCTLBJfYBowqzNvPZKpve/kfG3OXbAUWj7u3USbdEnidrQB59D3BEY0+fiqbL0406hkvtErvgt6j4LtP8x/6h5v7I/BZN5Eow72/9QMHLbFUYI0aDfDmsyfMdSBDRLU/KocQ=; Received: from [130.129.18.220] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002592758.msg for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:47:08 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:50:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfOyxRxUzk1Wjq+EdySDQAX8sYbNQ== In-Reply-To: <23160.1185339459@marajade.sandelman.ca> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:070725:69attendees@ietf.org::hTQTIMTjXn96qiDg:000000000000000000000000000000000000000005MmW X-MDRemoteIP: 130.129.18.220 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on mail.consulintel.es X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=4.5 tests=BAYES_00, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:47:15 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:47:19 +0200 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 29dc808194f5fb921c09d0040806d6eb X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org The question of flight cost is not really so easy to balance, except for those in the same region where the meeting is hosted, which means that it is being cheaper to participate in IETF, most of the time, for US and (I guess) Canada folks. I tend to thing that flying from US (or Canada) to US, or US (or Canada) to Canada is much cheaper than from Europe to US. For me usually traveling to Canada is more expensive and more time consuming than to Canada, but this may not be the same for people in UK or France, for example. Instead, for me flying to LAC (Latin America and Caribbean) is typically cheaper and faster than flying to US, and the same is true for some Africa locations (just a few of them, but probably the major spots where venues may be available and "political" situation may be feasible for a "secure" IETF meeting). However, hotels and food is also cheaper in LAC and Africa. Now is also cheaper in US for people using Euros in the own countries, but this is not always the same. Traveling to Asia, most of the time is the most expensive for me, but despite that, I still believe we need to do much more meetings in Asia (and of course Europe). Some times traveling from Europe to Europe may be more expensive than to LAC, unless you book the flight much in advance. That's also due to the fact that you probably are in the destination one less day than when flying to another continent, so the fare is higher, but this may depend on the airline. So making the meetings within a given region, typically make it cheaper and easier (including less traveling time generally) to participate the people in that region, and this is why I'm trying to balance making meeting in LAC and Africa, and increase the number of them in Asia and Europe. Regards, Jordi > De: Michael Richardson > Responder a: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > Fecha: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:57:39 -0500 > Para: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > So, looking at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/0mtg-sites.txt, and cutting > the dates and hosts out, and leaving just country, and just swapping > a couple so that the pattern is almost obvious > > Spring 2008 - 71st IETF Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA > Summer 2008 - 72nd IETF Location: Europe (Provisional) > Fall 2008 - 73rd IETF Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA > Spring 2009 - 74th IETF Location: Europe (Provisional) > Fall 2009 - 76th IETF Location: North America (Provisional) > Summer 2009 - 75th IETF Location: Asia (Provisional) > Spring 2010 - 77th IETF Location: Anaheim, CA, USA > Summer 2010 - 78th IETF Location: Europe (Provisional) > Fall 2010 - 79th IETF Location: Atlanta, GA, USA > Spring 2011 - 80th IETF Location: Europe (Provisional) > Summer 2011 - 81st IETF Location: Asia (Provisional) > Fall 2011 - 82nd IETF Location: North America - Canada > (Provisional) > Spring 2012 - 83rd IETF Location: Asia (Provisional) > Summer 2012 - 84th IETF Location: North America - Canada > (Provisional) > Fall 2012 - 85th IETF Location: Europe (Provisional) > Spring 2013 - 86th IETF Location: North America (Provisional) > > So, assuming that "North America", but Canada not specified means US, > and does not mean: Mexico, Cuba or St.Pierre+Michelon (a french > possession near Newfoundland) or Greenland, every *second meeting* is in > the US until the 81st, and then Canada gets some turns. > > If I assume that "North America" could in fact mean Canada and Mexico, > then we could have 4 of the next 16 meetings in the US. Some have > called for returning to places that worked out for us, and I see that we > are going to Minneapolis again. (except that it's in the US, that's fine > with me!) > > In Canada, the primary choices are Vancouver, Montreal and > Toronto. Secondary choices are Calgary and Ottawa. Calgary has > significantly better airtravel connections, and I suspect has a better > conference facility. > > {Ottawa is really no worse than Yokohama in theory: it's 1.5 hour train > ride from a significantly well connected airport (Montreal), but we > aren't organized for such train usage, nor do I think we can actually > fit all of the IETF into a single conference facility. Maybe two hotels > across the street from each other. And our hotels are rather busy > during each of our normal meeting periods.} > > I therefore suggest that if you want the "North America" meetings to not be > in the US, and you don't want to go back to Vancouver and Montreal > regularly, then we have to either move some meetings to Africa/South > America, or we have to find places in Mexico. > > I note that if one of the goals of alternating back and forth across the > atlantic is to equalize travel costs, that it's probably equally > expensive to travel south from the northern hemisphere, so my costs and > Jordi's to attend in Johanesburg or Santiago are probably the same. > > - -- > ] Bear: "Me, I'm just the shape of a bear." | firewalls > [ > ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON |net > architect[ > ] mcr@xelerance.com http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device > driver[ > ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); > [ > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Finger me for keys > > iQEVAwUBRqbYQYCLcPvd0N1lAQI/jwf/RrBlxfuYwWCd6c2N9BQNqsmJHvY+GiXx > zfrXI56sFanI7CsNmRFgSL1dU8XSDQBlEsv20ZoOnHzBSP2SRoEHJLSoNIaTb5fa > w6Fx35W7gOZAwQYde/LRUalyTrf9tEyZDXYUIEKeHpWx/cOdOTNf0RT/egpGhH/9 > AmDs1J0d1rY6qmOfuGSqnPaUUjf59vpAZ+4JNr+WPilQ6tJ8AWBqaPeUX5QWZXT3 > gL7PViYm9DiPC0akBulW4zVPnLWR+FRho4zqP1FkpWjcYtOEciYwUWC5HnkGPCSR > d4Ljbg1Vd3oSE2CzsNrR5UTxyr+Lt7O5H0J6AvrSHp5xgH/hktZAAw== > =VsaJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. 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If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 11:02:45 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiNw-0000H2-2S; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:02:44 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiNu-0000G5-9A for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:02:42 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiNs-0000rk-Rr for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:02:42 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDE7198680 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:02:39 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B251E19867D for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:02:38 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <46A7660E.7010600@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:02:38 -0500 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org References: <20070724231104.GA1719@Sun.COM> <200707250510.l6P5AubK081147@drugs.dv.isc.org> <20070725162718.012c3079.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> <20070725143139.GC1584@Sun.COM> In-Reply-To: <20070725143139.GC1584@Sun.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6d62ab47271805379d7172ee693a45db Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Social X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org It was a great social last night. Thanks for the organizers! Jari _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 11:06:07 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiRC-0001u0-En; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:06:06 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiRA-0001tt-U6 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:06:04 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.170] helo=mgw-ext11.nokia.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiRA-0005UM-Cx for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:06:04 -0400 Received: from esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh108.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.145]) by mgw-ext11.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l6PF5mbZ006139; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:06:02 +0300 Received: from esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.33]) by esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:05:43 +0300 Received: from esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.143]) by esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:05:43 +0300 Received: from 10.162.252.76 ([10.162.252.76]) by esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.143]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:05:42 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:05:41 +0300 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social From: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" To: ext Jari Arkko , <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Social Thread-Index: AcfOzUQhgppAfjrAEdyNjwAWy5ylJg== In-Reply-To: <46A7660E.7010600@piuha.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2007 15:05:43.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[45B7A7F0:01C7CECD] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 On 7/25/07 6:02 PM, "ext Jari Arkko" wrote: > It was a great social last night. Thanks for the > organizers! > > Jari > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees -- Jonne Soininen Nokia Siemens Networks Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 11:08:48 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiTl-0003oh-In; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:08:45 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiTl-0003oc-4U for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:08:45 -0400 Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiTj-0005YU-Oi for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:08:44 -0400 Received: from eastmail1bur.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.9.49]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l6PF8gpI023943 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:08:42 GMT Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (punchin-client-129-148-19-35.East.Sun.COM [129.148.19.35]) by eastmail1bur.East.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id l6PF8fY6020488 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PF5SEa001759; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:05:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nico@localhost) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0/Submit) id l6PF5Rmv001758; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:05:27 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.east.sun.com: nico set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:05:26 -0500 From: Nico To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Message-ID: <20070725150526.GE1584@Sun.COM> References: <23160.1185339459@marajade.sandelman.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:50:02AM -0500, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > However, hotels and food is also cheaper in LAC and Africa. Now is also > cheaper in US for people using Euros in the own countries, but this is not > always the same. For sufficiently long trips (and IETF meetings qualify) hotel and food costs tend to be the bigger expense. But don't think that reality will match expectations: off-hotel food was quite good and inexpensive in Prague, but hotel costs and hotel food were outrageous. Also, the Paris meeting produced a number of complaints about pickpocketing and such security problems; I'd expect to hear similar things about a meeting in Rio, say (but a meeting in Rio would be nice, IMO). Nico -- _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 11:14:11 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiYz-0007qR-Jf; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:14:09 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiYx-0007qE-SR for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:14:07 -0400 Received: from tyholt.uninett.no ([2001:700:1::eecb]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiYx-00013i-37 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:14:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tyholt.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF232B5A8C; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:14:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tyholt.uninett.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tyholt.uninett.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21943-01-21; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:14:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.129.82.253] (unknown [130.129.82.253]) by tyholt.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019AEB5A74; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:14:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46A76E1E.7070307@uninett.no> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:37:02 +0200 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at uninett.no X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) wrote: > +1 +1 Certainly one of the best socials I ever attended, Stig > > > On 7/25/07 6:02 PM, "ext Jari Arkko" wrote: > >> It was a great social last night. Thanks for the >> organizers! >> >> Jari >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 11:21:18 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDift-0000mE-1u; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:21:17 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDifr-0000cu-PR for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:21:15 -0400 Received: from repmmg02.bea.com ([66.248.192.39]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDifr-0006CN-9E for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:21:15 -0400 Received: from repmmr01.bea.com (repmmr01.bea.com [10.160.29.71]) by repmmg02.bea.com (Switch-3.2.7/Switch-3.2.7) with ESMTP id l6PFKn4Y009503; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:20:49 -0700 Received: from repbex01.amer.bea.com (repbex01.bea.com [10.160.26.98]) by repmmr01.bea.com (Switch-3.2.7/Switch-3.2.7) with ESMTP id l6PFKmg2016293; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:20:48 -0700 Received: from 172.24.30.8 ([172.24.30.8]) by repbex01.amer.bea.com ([10.160.26.98]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:20:47 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:20:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions From: Eric Burger To: Nico , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfOz15cnSf0cDrCEdyc6gAWy4mm/w== In-Reply-To: <20070725150526.GE1584@Sun.COM> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit x-BEA-PMX-Instructions: AV x-BEA-MM: Internal-To-External X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I would offer we go to Thailand: Relatively well connected by air from everywhere Relatively safe (unless you do unsafe things, but that gets you in trouble everywhere) Absolutely inexpensive On 7/25/07 10:05 AM, "Nico" wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:50:02AM -0500, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >> However, hotels and food is also cheaper in LAC and Africa. Now is also >> cheaper in US for people using Euros in the own countries, but this is not >> always the same. > > For sufficiently long trips (and IETF meetings qualify) hotel and food > costs tend to be the bigger expense. But don't think that reality will > match expectations: off-hotel food was quite good and inexpensive in > Prague, but hotel costs and hotel food were outrageous. > > Also, the Paris meeting produced a number of complaints about > pickpocketing and such security problems; I'd expect to hear similar > things about a meeting in Rio, say (but a meeting in Rio would be nice, > IMO). > > Nico Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may contain information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and affiliated entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named in this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please immediately return this by email and then delete it. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 11:21:39 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDigF-0001Vc-4U; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:21:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDigE-0001VX-BZ for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:21:38 -0400 Received: from grymling.conjury.org ([69.12.155.90] helo=mta.conjury.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDigE-0001bY-13 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:21:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta.conjury.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9009244DE12 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta.conjury.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (grymling.conjury.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02265-07 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.82.254] (unknown [130.129.82.254]) by mta.conjury.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F6544DDD5 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <23160.1185339459@marajade.sandelman.ca> References: <23160.1185339459@marajade.sandelman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: james woodyatt Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:21:13 -0500 To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at conjury.org X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 24, 2007, at 23:57, Michael Richardson wrote: > > ...or we have to find places in Mexico. Less then thirty seconds of Google-fu led me to believe that Centro Banamex in Mexico City could easily meet the need for physical meeting facilities, though a smaller venue might be more appropriate. There also appear to be conference venues in Cancun, but I think hotel costs might be higher in a resort town depending on seasonal rates. I suspect the problem is not finding places in Mexico, but finding *hosts* in Mexico. Maybe someone from LACNIC could help there. -- j h woodyatt _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 11:23:39 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDii9-0002TN-P5; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:23:37 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDii8-0002Qk-7W for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:23:36 -0400 Received: from lemland.kurtis.pp.se ([2001:670:87:2::25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDii7-0001dd-Is for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:23:36 -0400 Received: from [130.129.16.243] (dhcp-10f3.ietf69.org [130.129.16.243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by lemland.kurtis.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4565378C08; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:23:32 +0300 (EEST) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <75081A38-350A-421C-B20D-AA7D22A82230@kurtis.pp.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:23:20 +0200 To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 14582b0692e7f70ce7111d04db3781c8 Cc: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I'd just like to verify Jordi's comment. The Hilton deal is non-=20 exclusive, but the IETF certainly do get benefits out of choosing =20 Hilton hotels for the duration of the contract. - kurtis - On 24 jul 2007, at 23.34, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > We are NOT tied to Hilton at all. We have a good deal with them, =20 > but is a > non-exclusive contract, so we can use other venues as required. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > >> De: >> Responder a: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> >> Fecha: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:23:23 +0100 >> Para: <69attendees@ietf.org> >> Conversaci=F3n: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions >> Asunto: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions >> >> The current algorithm for choosing venues is distinctly flawed in =20 >> that >> it allows for 50% of meetings to be in North America. Currently North >> America only accounts for 40%of IETF work... >> >> Clearly if you also take into account the excessive problems =20 >> caused by >> US Immigration (which is getting worse according to mails on this =20 >> list), >> then it would be sensible to consider other venues. Unfortunately =20 >> if we >> are tied to having meetings in the Hilton you have to have the =20 >> meeting >> in a venue with a sufficiently large Hilton... >> >> Toby >> >> PS, I think this thread, taken in parallel with the threads on noisy >> meeting rooms and problems with immigration are directly on topic for >> this list (at least this is the most obvious one to discuss them =20 >> on at >> present) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Crocker [mailto:dcrocker@bbiw.net] >> Sent: 24 July 2007 16:12 >> To: 69attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions >> >> >> >> Shane Kerr wrote: >>>> The other issue I see is that we really need to have an IETF in >>>> regions such as Latin America and Africa. >>> >>> Why? >> >> >> Indeed. >> >> I believe the current model is to locate IETF meetings in venues >> convenient to significant constituencies of *current* participants. >> >> d/ >> >> --=20 >> >> Dave Crocker >> Brandenburg InternetWorking >> bbiw.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 11:25:40 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDik3-0004Wp-Dl; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:25:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDik1-0004Op-Q5 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:25:33 -0400 Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDik1-0001gF-Bh for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:25:33 -0400 Received: from dhcp-15f9.ietf69.org (dhcp-15f9.ietf69.org [130.129.21.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l6PFPUbA020510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:25:32 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:25:20 +0200 From: Thierry Ernst To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Message-Id: <20070725172520.148dc14e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: <20070725150526.GE1584@Sun.COM> References: <23160.1185339459@marajade.sandelman.ca> <20070725150526.GE1584@Sun.COM> Organization: INRIA X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.3 (GTK+ 2.10.6; powerpc-apple-darwin8.8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 46A76B6A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org >On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:50:02AM -0500, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >> However, hotels and food is also cheaper in LAC and Africa. Now is also >> cheaper in US for people using Euros in the own countries, but this is not >> always the same. > >For sufficiently long trips (and IETF meetings qualify) hotel and food >costs tend to be the bigger expense. This I don't agree. My flight to Chicago from Paris cost me 1400 euros. 5 nights at the Hilton, though much more expensive than what I had to pay in Prague, is still cheaper than the flight. My flight to Prague was also inexpensive and this IETF costs me twice what I had to pay in Prague. > But don't think that reality will >match expectations: off-hotel food was quite good and inexpensive in >Prague, but hotel costs and hotel food were outrageous. Depending where you stay. In Europe, there are typically a lot of hotel choices, and one can easily find a friendly hotel and walk or take public transportation to the venue. Something it's typically difficult to do in San Diego. One typical reason for which I would be happy to have more meetings in Europe is jet-lag and travel time (when the meeting is held in North America, and assuming we stay until Friday lunch time until the last meeting is over, and assuming there are long-haul flights in the afternoon, Europeans and Asians won't be back home before Saturday night. Jet-lag and travel times have to be shared among participants from different regions. Thierry _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 11:30:56 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDipC-0006aA-JA; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:30:54 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDipB-0006a3-Ig for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:30:53 -0400 Received: from mail.consulintel.es ([213.172.48.142] helo=consulintel.es) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDipA-0006Oa-QJ for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:30:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1185380873; x=1185985673; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Mime-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=FHocr4qNVqiP4E oLAhVPGyJfjzWfz67G+0tGdn9+4B5r0FmpSxoYblt9u3Y0GsILu26uf6tdCL0gyT hqKM354kAoazbhbINruzQuSmtetyLBwF2UYax5kpqJhRK4HZvP4NLlfqoGrrtYD4 yi5N9Ni3Ujk5ZEpemRRu5eNNmtx2c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=m0TftQuXAy8sHOS905f2SXAmD8Q184VbfhlHsnvRc6RuLlz+HkzHmi8MbrFI06G1Aj4h2npTLRg5TVYZC7c2+7hmPvAOFD+CgXBcV3cLiy9RiimlI2/BGtayGTQJfrD3ResuDnIIvb+4s1IhDoiplG18MsWvbzTTaaVnYm8WZ/E=; Received: from [130.129.18.220] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002592838.msg for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:27:52 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:30:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfO0MP8Aq+bdzrEEdySDQAX8sYbNQ== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:070725:69attendees@ietf.org::GcgU+lRbiaVvZbv0:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000010ku X-MDRemoteIP: 130.129.18.220 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on mail.consulintel.es X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=4.5 tests=BAYES_00, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:27:52 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:27:53 +0200 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org There are several venues located in Mexico already, I can confirm ... And hopefully a host will soon come on board, I know they are lurking this list and regularly attending IETF, secretariat is also aware :-) Regards, Jordi > De: james woodyatt > Responder a: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > Fecha: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:21:13 -0500 > Para: <69attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions > > On Jul 24, 2007, at 23:57, Michael Richardson wrote: >> >> ...or we have to find places in Mexico. > > Less then thirty seconds of Google-fu led me to believe that Centro > Banamex in Mexico City could easily meet the need for physical > meeting facilities, though a smaller venue might be more > appropriate. There also appear to be conference venues in Cancun, > but I think hotel costs might be higher in a resort town depending on > seasonal rates. > > I suspect the problem is not finding places in Mexico, but finding > *hosts* in Mexico. 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If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 11:32:43 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiqx-0007Qo-0N; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:32:43 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiqw-0007Qg-7Q for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:32:42 -0400 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.250]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiqv-0006RU-IW for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:32:42 -0400 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c17so47490anc for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:32:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=mhTa/n9R08fNYxDiifyAy8UA8MOF6vDAFEYVLJMZUf7gMwSwfbbPZW8eMgZOTNPg6AXUC6WmVg+YUUznJzS1If7VwJ0DSkht23Hpfvt6oYrUlCO6M4uMo/lQXfEE890MGcMfe48WJh9pvP4IaOVNgwK3Ob5xd06AzjSYTxlUr4Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LxFIE0SYgFr5nqXA+E5txvy+3LqRTkZfaMACwStvH3RXY0/y/s1xCNCNGGsZ86dabW2KP+Ba1gGxdkO6M9Fn2CjUoNFyD4s4gJG5Gt9hxfOYsySYdNSYnoRU6raNTGKiBl4qEK8INZJPm+OMwb2amt+W4S0ikr0Hq3yfEF1AYl0= Received: by 10.100.112.19 with SMTP id k19mr433052anc.1185377560911; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.154.10 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3938a04d0707250832o69e25155r13011db2a916cf47@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:32:40 +0900 From: "Dae Young KIM" To: "Thierry Ernst" Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions In-Reply-To: <20070725172520.148dc14e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <23160.1185339459@marajade.sandelman.ca> <20070725150526.GE1584@Sun.COM> <20070725172520.148dc14e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1e7bf81c91fa5ee9 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b7b9551d71acde901886cc48bfc088a6 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1147951311==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1147951311== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_112113_16858756.1185377560817" ------=_Part_112113_16858756.1185377560817 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi folks, I've not been following up with this thread and so have no clear idea where the discussion heading for. Yet, just for your information, I hope you also consider the possibility of coming to Korea again in a few years. If there's enough emotion for that, I might try again to secure hosts in Korea to invite yet another IETF meeting. ... from the local organizer of the past Seoul IETF meeting in 2004, DY. On 7/26/07, Thierry Ernst wrote: > > > > >On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:50:02AM -0500, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > >> However, hotels and food is also cheaper in LAC and Africa. Now is also > >> cheaper in US for people using Euros in the own countries, but this is > not > >> always the same. > > > >For sufficiently long trips (and IETF meetings qualify) hotel and food > >costs tend to be the bigger expense. > > This I don't agree. My flight to Chicago from Paris cost me 1400 euros. > 5 nights at the Hilton, though much more expensive than what I had to > pay in Prague, is still cheaper than the flight. My flight to Prague > was also inexpensive and this IETF costs me twice what I had to pay in > Prague. > > > But don't think that reality will > >match expectations: off-hotel food was quite good and inexpensive in > >Prague, but hotel costs and hotel food were outrageous. > > Depending where you stay. In Europe, there are typically a lot of hotel > choices, and one can easily find a friendly hotel and walk or take > public transportation to the venue. Something it's typically difficult > to do in San Diego. > > One typical reason for which I would be happy to have more meetings in > Europe is jet-lag and travel time (when the meeting is held in North > America, and assuming we stay until Friday lunch time until the last > meeting is over, and assuming there are long-haul flights in the > afternoon, Europeans and Asians won't be back home before Saturday > night. Jet-lag and travel times have to be shared among participants > from different regions. > > Thierry > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > -- DY ------=_Part_112113_16858756.1185377560817 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi folks,

I've not been following up with this thread and so have no clear idea where the discussion heading for.

Yet, just for your information, I hope you also consider the possibility of coming to Korea again in a few years. If there's enough emotion for that, I might try again to secure hosts in Korea to invite yet another IETF meeting.

... from the local organizer of the past Seoul IETF meeting in 2004, DY.

On 7/26/07, Thierry Ernst < thierry.ernst@inria.fr> wrote:


>On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:50:02AM -0500, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>> However, hotels and food is also cheaper in LAC and Africa. Now is also
>> cheaper in US for people using Euros in the own countries, but this is not
>> always the same.
>
>For sufficiently long trips (and IETF meetings qualify) hotel and food
>costs tend to be the bigger expense.

This I don't agree. My flight to Chicago from Paris cost me 1400 euros.
5 nights at the Hilton, though much more expensive than what I had to
pay in Prague, is still cheaper than the flight. My flight to Prague
was also inexpensive and this IETF costs me twice what I had to pay in
Prague.

> But don't think that reality will
>match expectations: off-hotel food was quite good and inexpensive in
>Prague, but hotel costs and hotel food were outrageous.

Depending where you stay. In Europe, there are typically a lot of hotel
choices, and one can easily find a friendly hotel and walk or take
public transportation to the venue. Something it's typically difficult
to do in San Diego.

One typical reason for which I would be happy to have more meetings in
Europe is jet-lag and travel time (when the meeting is held in North
America, and assuming we stay until Friday lunch time until the last
meeting is over, and assuming there are long-haul flights in the
afternoon, Europeans and Asians won't be back home before Saturday
night. Jet-lag and travel times have to be shared among participants
from different regions.

Thierry


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DY ------=_Part_112113_16858756.1185377560817-- --===============1147951311== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============1147951311==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 11:38:47 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiwn-0003Hx-UO; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:38:45 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiwn-0003Hs-12 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:38:45 -0400 Received: from lemland.kurtis.pp.se ([2001:670:87:2::25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiwl-0001y0-GP for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:38:45 -0400 Received: from [130.129.16.243] (dhcp-10f3.ietf69.org [130.129.16.243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by lemland.kurtis.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844DD78C2F; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:38:41 +0300 (EEST) In-Reply-To: <20070724233914.b8fb294e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> References: <46A665A3.3090109@isc.org> <20070724233914.b8fb294e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <931EE18C-21FF-4C92-9E62-63B05194707B@kurtis.pp.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:38:43 +0200 To: Thierry Ernst X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 24 jul 2007, at 23.39, Thierry Ernst wrote: > Of course, I do understand that some may think the IETF is not > designed > to help other nations to catch up with Internet technologies (I think > it should), but this kind of protectionist thinking would imply that > the IETF is not independent and is a puppet in someone's hands - what > many people outside the IETF (http://www.ietf.org/tao.html explains > what is the IETF and how it is governed). > > Whereas I would agree that currently Latin America and Africa is > somewhat limited I would also wonder if we - as a community - don't > share part of the responsability for the current situation. > > Regarding Spain, I do not understand why the IETF meeting has never > been held there though there is evident support and will from national > there. And I do agree that besides nice weather in San Diego, getting > there several times over the past few years was totally unjustified > and > the chosen hotel was unpractical for many of us. > > And here in Chicago, the IETF may have a deal with Hilton, but I think > the room prices is skyrocketting. In some situation, I think I would > prefer paying more expensive meeting fees and save on the hotel room. > This may prove cheaper for many. Just a few general comments from an individual that happens to be on the IAOC... The IAOC for every meeting evaluates a number of locations and sites and weigh pros and cons against each other. There are many locations the IETF has never been to, for a variety of reasons. There are certainly locations that I personally think we should go to, but the IETF has since long used as it's guiding principle used that the locations are among other criteria picked in order to minimize travel costs for the people that do the work in the IETF. The IAOC regularly looks at this and evaluates what would be an appropriate mix. We are now working on deciding locations and dates longer out in the future and we will hopefully be able to announce these soon. The advantage with this approach is that we will have more leverage on negotiating hotels and attendees will be able to plan their travel longer in advance. The disadvantage of doing this is that it will take longer for a change in location distribution to take effect if it was that we based on data collected determined that was to happen. Personally I think this is an acceptable trade-off. - kurtis - _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 11:41:53 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDizo-0007mi-Nm; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:41:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDizn-0007mX-Ud for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:41:51 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.172] helo=mgw-ext13.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDizn-00024D-B8 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:41:51 -0400 Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-ext13.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l6PFfTC5018719 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:41:49 +0300 Received: from esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.33]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:41:45 +0300 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:41:46 +0300 Received: from [10.243.7.58] ([10.243.7.58]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:41:45 +0300 Message-ID: <46A76F37.9020009@nsn.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:41:43 +0300 From: Miguel Garcia User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social References: <46A76E1E.7070307@uninett.no> In-Reply-To: <46A76E1E.7070307@uninett.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2007 15:41:46.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E9685D0:01C7CED2] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 /Miguel Stig Venaas wrote: > Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) wrote: >> +1 > > +1 > > Certainly one of the best socials I ever attended, > > Stig > >> >> >> On 7/25/07 6:02 PM, "ext Jari Arkko" wrote: >> >>> It was a great social last night. Thanks for the >>> organizers! >>> >>> Jari >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >>> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >> > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > -- Miguel A. Garcia tel:+358-50-4804586 Nokia Siemens Networks Espoo, Finland _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 11:42:49 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDj0j-0000NL-OD; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:42:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDj0j-0000NG-DW for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:42:49 -0400 Received: from c243-111.rim.net ([216.9.243.111]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDj0h-00026W-Hj for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:42:48 -0400 Importance: normal Priority: normal Received: from ngw02ykf.rim.net ([10.102.108.31]) by c243-111.rim.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:42:47 -0400 Received: from XCH21YKF.rim.net ([10.102.100.36]) by ngw02ykf.rim.net (SAVSMTP 3.1.6.45) with SMTP id M2007072511424702770 ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:42:47 -0400 Received: from XCH47YKF.rim.net ([10.64.31.217]) by XCH21YKF.rim.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:42:46 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2826 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:42:40 -0400 Message-ID: <61968779B8AC4C4BAB421D4C12F008C00C9DB944@XCH47YKF.rim.net> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions thread-index: AcfOz15cnSf0cDrCEdyc6gAWy4mm/wAAVypg From: "Andrew Allen" To: "Eric Burger" , "Nico" , "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2007 15:42:46.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[72D90DF0:01C7CED2] X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org While I personally agree with Eric that Thailand is a nice place for a meeting. There was a big problem at a recent standards meeting of another body because many delegates from several companies were unable to attend because of "security concerns". While I agree with Eric that Bangkok at least is "relatively safe (unless you do unsafe things, but that gets you in trouble everywhere)" currently there is some political instability in that country and also a low level guerilla war in the southern provinces. Whilst my view is such concerns are exaggerated the fact is that several companies did not allow their delegates to attend the meeting probably because of insurance and liability issues. I think such issues may also be relevant to some of the other African and South American destinations that some other people are proposing on this thread. I know that another standards body was planning to have a meeting in Brazil with Rio or San Paulo being the envisioned destinations but they ended up in the far less interesting capital Brazilia because of these kinds of issues. I think this would be as big an issue as the problem of some people being unable to get visas for the US. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Burger [mailto:eburger@bea.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:21 AM To: Nico; JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions I would offer we go to Thailand: Relatively well connected by air from everywhere Relatively safe (unless you do unsafe things, but that gets you in trouble everywhere) Absolutely inexpensive On 7/25/07 10:05 AM, "Nico" wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:50:02AM -0500, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >> However, hotels and food is also cheaper in LAC and Africa. Now is also >> cheaper in US for people using Euros in the own countries, but this is not >> always the same. >=20 > For sufficiently long trips (and IETF meetings qualify) hotel and food > costs tend to be the bigger expense. But don't think that reality will > match expectations: off-hotel food was quite good and inexpensive in > Prague, but hotel costs and hotel food were outrageous. >=20 > Also, the Paris meeting produced a number of complaints about > pickpocketing and such security problems; I'd expect to hear similar > things about a meeting in Rio, say (but a meeting in Rio would be nice, > IMO). >=20 > Nico Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may contain information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and affiliated entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named in this message. 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Great event! Great music, dance, ... It'd be even better if the organizer could have indicted in the invitation that ID is required due to alcohol. I observed several people from Asia (hard to guess the age in general) had to have extra trip between the hotel and HOB to get their IDs although girls should be happy to walk extra (I guess) because people thought they were under 21 :-) Yi -----Original Message----- From: Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net] Sent: 2007$BG/(B7$B7n(B25$BF|(B 10:03 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Social It was a great social last night. Thanks for the organizers! 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Social Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:11:51 -0400 Message-ID: <61968779B8AC4C4BAB421D4C12F008C00C9DB962@XCH47YKF.rim.net> In-Reply-To: <18537225.180171185379755977.JavaMail.weblogic@ep_ml19> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Social thread-index: AcfO1kJ8GaQ2KmOPTJG55zcNdrSzdwAADHyQ From: "Andrew Allen" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2007 16:11:51.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[82AB0E00:01C7CED6] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I had a great time too - until this morning that is :) -----Original Message----- From: JinHyeock Choi [mailto:jinchoe@samsung.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:09 PM Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social The same here. I had a wonderful time. Thanks to the people=20 working for the social.=20 JinHyeock ------- Original Message ------- Sender : Jari Arkko=20 Date : 2007-07-26 00:02 Title : [69ATTENDEES] Social It was a great social last night. Thanks for the organizers! Jari _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --------------------------------------------------------------------- This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential = information, privileged material (including material protected by the = solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute = non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than = the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this = transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete = this information from your system. 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Mail. =0A --0-1579882844-1185380534=:47871-- --===============1527840918== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============1527840918==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 12:32:05 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDjmJ-00077C-UU; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:31:59 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDjmH-00072v-UR for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:31:57 -0400 Received: from pork.icsi.berkeley.edu ([192.150.186.19]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDjmH-0004Il-8X for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:31:57 -0400 Received: from guns.icir.org (adsl-69-222-35-58.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net [69.222.35.58]) by pork.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6PGVuxN014377; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:31:56 -0700 Received: from lawyers.icir.org (adsl-69-222-35-58.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net [69.222.35.58]) by guns.icir.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98154D3C516; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lawyers.icir.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lawyers.icir.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60E726CA8B; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:24:53 -0400 (EDT) To: Thierry Ernst From: Mark Allman Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions In-Reply-To: <20070725172520.148dc14e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> Organization: ICSI Center for Internet Research (ICIR) Song-of-the-Day: Take It to the Limit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:24:53 -0400 Message-Id: <20070725162453.C60E726CA8B@lawyers.icir.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mallman@icir.org List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2066935503==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============2066935503== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_bOundary"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --=_bOundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline [Not sure why I chose this particular note to followup to... this is a general comment.] > My flight to Chicago from Paris cost me 1400 euros. First, haggling over costs of hotels and flights and etc. is tough. If we pick Paris that has cost implications for some people. If we pick Dallas that has cost implications for other people. Etc. There is no global min here, I bet. While I know that individuals, their companies and their managers are cognizant of these things. But, in the aggregate the IETF should just strive to keep costs like hotels and food within a reasonable ballpark and leave it at that. Second, one thing that I haven't heard mention is attendee's time. I am always much more cognizant of the time sink of an IETF than I am of the direct costs. Coming to IETF impacts my work. I am not saying that IETF is without benefit (as of course if that was the case I would not come), but non-IETF things do suffer. So, I (and, I know I am not alone) am much more inclined to come to meetings that are close to me. I am not saying I will not travel far to attend IETF meetings (and, in fact, I have). I am saying that the rule of thumb of generally distributing the meetings by looking at who is writing the I-Ds seems like a pretty decent strategy to me. allman --=_bOundary Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGp3lVWyrrWs4yIs4RAm9PAJ9fNi4jxxKR5mgTIC+AYo5XtU8CMQCggGVv 0OycLc/NeTGnYJxn6EjpZYo= =Z2ad -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_bOundary-- --===============2066935503== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============2066935503==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 12:33:29 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDjnl-00029p-8w; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:33:29 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDjnj-00029d-4M for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:33:27 -0400 Received: from sequoia.muada.com ([83.149.65.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDjnd-0004MV-Lg for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:33:27 -0400 Received: from [130.129.22.198] (dhcp-16c6.ietf69.org [130.129.22.198]) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6PGU3va092324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:30:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) In-Reply-To: References: <23160.1185339459@marajade.sandelman.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6E8BFF7B-FAF2-46E9-8229-189DF132D407@muada.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Iljitsch van Beijnum Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:31:58 -0500 To: james woodyatt X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=3.5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on sequoia.muada.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 25-jul-2007, at 10:21, james woodyatt wrote: > I suspect the problem is not finding places in Mexico, but finding > *hosts* in Mexico. Maybe someone from LACNIC could help there. Many of the companies that are hosts work world-wide anyway. But what's up with this host deal? The IETF is already _making_ money on the meetings from the meeting fees, why do we need to squeeze even more out of a host? I have no idea what's going behind the scenes, but the meeting location selection is rather broken from where I'm sitting. I've been trying to float the notion of having one in The Hague, or Holland in general. There aren't any Hiltons with 1000+ rooms and matching conference facilities there, but it could work very well in a way similar to Vienna or Paris. However, my requests for information about the number of rooms required etc have never resulted in anything useful. I'm pretty sure it would be possible to get stuff like the terminal room and connectivity sponsored even without an official host, but in order to get that stuff rolling, I would need at least a nibble from the IETF. And that's nothing compared with what Jordi has lived through. Iljitsch _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 12:34:30 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDjoj-0004dE-OU; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:34:29 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDjoh-0004cu-BK for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:34:27 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.171] helo=mgw-ext12.nokia.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDjog-0000bW-Qg for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:34:27 -0400 Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-ext12.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l6PGWxIt005818; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:34:22 +0300 Received: from esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.34]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:34:03 +0300 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:34:02 +0300 Received: from dadhcp-172019068052.americas.nokia.com ([172.19.68.52]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:34:01 +0300 Received: from dadhcp-172019068052.americas.nokia.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dadhcp-172019068052.americas.nokia.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l6PGXx1q006626; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:33:59 -0700 Received: (from david@localhost) by dadhcp-172019068052.americas.nokia.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l6PGXxDZ006625; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:33:59 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:33:59 -0700 From: David Kessens To: Dae Young KIM Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Message-ID: <20070725163359.GE5623@nsn.com> References: <23160.1185339459@marajade.sandelman.ca> <20070725150526.GE1584@Sun.COM> <20070725172520.148dc14e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> <3938a04d0707250832o69e25155r13011db2a916cf47@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3938a04d0707250832o69e25155r13011db2a916cf47@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2007 16:34:02.0355 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BFBE430:01C7CED9] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dae Young, On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 12:32:40AM +0900, Dae Young KIM wrote: > > I've not been following up with this thread and so have no clear idea where > the discussion heading for. > > Yet, just for your information, I hope you also consider the possibility of > coming to Korea again in a few years. If there's enough emotion for that, I > might try again to secure hosts in Korea to invite yet another IETF meeting. I still have very good memories of our meeting in Korea and I certainly hope that the IAOC will take you up on this mail! > ... from the local organizer of the past Seoul IETF meeting in 2004, DY. As somebody who has been the host for two times, I know that hosting the meeting is an enormous amount of work and I very much appreciate that you are willing to do it again :-). David Kessens --- _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 12:40:55 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDjuu-0002Ba-Jy; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:40:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDjut-0002BL-Bj for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:40:51 -0400 Received: from smtp2.smtp.bt.com ([217.32.164.150]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDjus-0004dh-Qn for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:40:51 -0400 Received: from E03MVZ4-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.30.64]) by smtp2.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:40:50 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:40:59 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070725162453.C60E726CA8B@lawyers.icir.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfO2VkkXer2o8L9RFi09RV/ZCd3xAAAPUpA From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2007 16:40:50.0077 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F0154D0:01C7CEDA] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I think this summarises the arguments very clearly and indeed it is obvious to distribute the meetings according to the distribution of the draft authors. However currently the distribution is very broken and heavily biased toward North America. The IETF has moved on and significantly more than half its work comes from authors outside the US. Toby -----Original Message----- From: Mark Allman [mailto:mallman@icir.org]=20 Sent: 25 July 2007 11:25 To: Thierry Ernst Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions=20 [Not sure why I chose this particular note to followup to... this is a general comment.] > My flight to Chicago from Paris cost me 1400 euros. First, haggling over costs of hotels and flights and etc. is tough. If we pick Paris that has cost implications for some people. If we pick Dallas that has cost implications for other people. Etc. There is no global min here, I bet. While I know that individuals, their companies and their managers are cognizant of these things. But, in the aggregate the IETF should just strive to keep costs like hotels and food within a reasonable ballpark and leave it at that. Second, one thing that I haven't heard mention is attendee's time. I am always much more cognizant of the time sink of an IETF than I am of the direct costs. Coming to IETF impacts my work. I am not saying that IETF is without benefit (as of course if that was the case I would not come), but non-IETF things do suffer. So, I (and, I know I am not alone) am much more inclined to come to meetings that are close to me. I am not saying I will not travel far to attend IETF meetings (and, in fact, I have). I am saying that the rule of thumb of generally distributing the meetings by looking at who is writing the I-Ds seems like a pretty decent strategy to me. allman _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 12:46:37 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDk0R-0007Qr-Q7; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:46:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDk0Q-0007Nj-6f for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:46:34 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.172] helo=mgw-ext13.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDk0O-0004m9-O1 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:46:34 -0400 Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-ext13.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l6PGjves006678; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:46:23 +0300 Received: from esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.33]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:46:02 +0300 Received: from esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.143]) by esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:46:02 +0300 Received: from 10.162.252.76 ([10.162.252.76]) by esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.143]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:46:01 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:45:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions From: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" To: ext Iljitsch van Beijnum , james woodyatt Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfO20aKhUsGlDrOEdyNjwAWy5ylJg== In-Reply-To: <6E8BFF7B-FAF2-46E9-8229-189DF132D407@muada.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2007 16:46:02.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[48F08370:01C7CEDB] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fb6060cb60c0cea16e3f7219e40a0a81 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Iljitsch, The host pays for the network, t-shirts, social and some other costs, which don't come out of the meeting fees. Need quite a bit of money - the actual amount is dependent on the location. The amounts can be between $100k-$300k depending on many variables. The meeting fee covers the IETF side of the cost of the meetings. That is usually the meeting rooms, food during the week (those cookies cost real money), etc. In addition, running the IETF operations is paid through the meeting fees (the secretariat, web pages, mailing lists. etc). I can assure you that IETF is _not_ making money. There is no secret account where the money would go. Actually the opposite. If you are interested to organize a meeting, and get the funding for setting up the network, internet connectivity, and help us to find a suitable setting we would be extremely thankful. Please, contact Terry Monroe from ISOC (monroe@isoc.org) for more information. Remember, however, just a possible location is not all of it. There has to be a model to get the things up and running we need - and it is not cheap or easy (having been on the hosting side twice, believe me, I know.) Cheers, Jonne. On 7/25/07 7:31 PM, "ext Iljitsch van Beijnum" wrote: > On 25-jul-2007, at 10:21, james woodyatt wrote: > >> I suspect the problem is not finding places in Mexico, but finding >> *hosts* in Mexico. Maybe someone from LACNIC could help there. > > Many of the companies that are hosts work world-wide anyway. > > But what's up with this host deal? The IETF is already _making_ money > on the meetings from the meeting fees, why do we need to squeeze even > more out of a host? > > I have no idea what's going behind the scenes, but the meeting > location selection is rather broken from where I'm sitting. I've been > trying to float the notion of having one in The Hague, or Holland in > general. There aren't any Hiltons with 1000+ rooms and matching > conference facilities there, but it could work very well in a way > similar to Vienna or Paris. However, my requests for information > about the number of rooms required etc have never resulted in > anything useful. I'm pretty sure it would be possible to get stuff > like the terminal room and connectivity sponsored even without an > official host, but in order to get that stuff rolling, I would need > at least a nibble from the IETF. > > And that's nothing compared with what Jordi has lived through. > > Iljitsch > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees -- Jonne Soininen Nokia Siemens Networks Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 12:48:35 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDk2M-0000Ep-FX; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:48:34 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDk2L-0000D4-1U for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:48:33 -0400 Received: from michael.checkpoint.com ([194.29.32.68]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDk2I-0004pF-32 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:48:33 -0400 Received: from [172.31.21.181] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by michael.checkpoint.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l6PGmJn4000637; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:48:20 +0300 (IDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070725162453.C60E726CA8B@lawyers.icir.org> References: <20070725162453.C60E726CA8B@lawyers.icir.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Yoav Nir Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:48:14 -0500 To: mallman@icir.org, 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f4c2cf0bccc868e4cc88dace71fb3f44 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org OK, I'm off to write another I-D... But seriously, there's no denying that locations in the US, Europe and Canada are hubs of international flights. People from these three regions make up a majority of attendees, and it's usually either a single flight or one relatively easy connection to get to these places. If we were to hold a meeting in, say, New Zealand, most participants would need 2-3 connections just to get there. All these flights take a lot of time, and also cost a lot of money. So these are pretty much the same criteria. Same goes for most locations in Africa. For Brazil you can probably find flights from most places, but not at the same frequency as flights to Chicago or Frankfurt. On Jul 25, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Mark Allman wrote: > > [Not sure why I chose this particular note to followup to... this is a > general comment.] > >> My flight to Chicago from Paris cost me 1400 euros. > > First, haggling over costs of hotels and flights and etc. is > tough. If > we pick Paris that has cost implications for some people. If we pick > Dallas that has cost implications for other people. Etc. There is no > global min here, I bet. While I know that individuals, their > companies > and their managers are cognizant of these things. But, in the > aggregate > the IETF should just strive to keep costs like hotels and food > within a > reasonable ballpark and leave it at that. > > Second, one thing that I haven't heard mention is attendee's time. > I am > always much more cognizant of the time sink of an IETF than I am of > the > direct costs. Coming to IETF impacts my work. I am not saying that > IETF is without benefit (as of course if that was the case I would not > come), but non-IETF things do suffer. So, I (and, I know I am not > alone) am much more inclined to come to meetings that are close to me. > I am not saying I will not travel far to attend IETF meetings (and, in > fact, I have). I am saying that the rule of thumb of generally > distributing the meetings by looking at who is writing the I-Ds seems > like a pretty decent strategy to me. > > allman > > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 13:00:19 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDkDh-0003bl-QW; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:00:17 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDkDg-0003bf-Lv for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:00:16 -0400 Received: from e33.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.151]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDkDg-00056a-BT for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:00:16 -0400 Received: from d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.227]) by e33.co.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6PH0F4G028367 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:00:16 -0400 Received: from d03av03.boulder.ibm.com (d03av03.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.169]) by d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v8.4) with ESMTP id l6PH0FIm247474 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:00:15 -0600 Received: from d03av03.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av03.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6PH0FrJ000403 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:00:15 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: d03av03.boulder.ibm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/mqueue/active* X-Authentication-Warning: d03av03.boulder.ibm.com: Processed by postman with -C /relay/etc/sendmail.cf-deliver Received: from poplar (poplar.watson.ibm.com [9.2.40.57]) by d03av03.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6PH0FNa000389 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:00:15 -0600 Received: from wecm-9-67-45-92.wecm.ibm.com ([9.67.45.92]) by poplar.watson.ibm.com (IMF.2005.07.16.1050.haw) with SMTP ID IMFd1185382814.2561; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:00:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:00:13 -0400 From: Barry Leiba To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <521481.47871.qm@web27804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <521481.47871.qm@web27804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org > There was one better social though which is not easy to top > (#45 Oslo, huge garden at the sea, nice summer weather, > barbecue) I missed that one, but my favourite was Paris, at the Mus=C3=A9e d'Orsay. Prague = was=20 nice too. What they both had going for them was that one could actually talk with people.=20 I'd like to put a bug in the collective ear of organizers to choose places where=20 one can, at least as an option, find a semi-quiet place to talk. I liked the=20 band last night -- they were good. But there really was no way to have a=20 reasonable conversation, and that is, to me, what a social event is about. Barry _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 13:13:27 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDkQN-0002PL-95; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:13:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDkQL-0002PE-Ir for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:13:21 -0400 Received: from monster.hopcount.ca ([199.212.90.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDkQK-0005V5-4l for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:13:21 -0400 Received: from [130.129.82.239] by monster.hopcount.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IDkSj-0006z8-7N; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:15:49 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: <20070725162453.C60E726CA8B@lawyers.icir.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A2608A8-D45C-4E64-AA27-97D775A557B1@ca.afilias.info> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:13:07 -0500 To: Yoav Nir X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 25-Jul-2007, at 11:48, Yoav Nir wrote: > If we were to hold a meeting in, say, New Zealand, most > participants would need 2-3 connections just to get there. Ah, but it'd be worth it. :-) _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 13:21:53 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDkYZ-0003wK-Uq; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:21:51 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDkYY-0003vZ-Ev for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:21:50 -0400 Received: from mail.consulintel.es ([213.172.48.142] helo=consulintel.es) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDkYX-00037W-CL for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:21:50 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1185387530; x=1185992330; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Mime-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=U5fuG0hYyx3sjF 8G2zhRTXR5f89+76Vm0nVl3cH6ONOJRV2TuhQjG0vgaz0pmTCFEao+ej14Bn0PFA gmnvWRc7WzED6yVhHXDwTFPrhNb9HeWF1vRwe75RUOPhptuRKl3uqrNLtl82WDF6 ZSuCjnM7efPEBYCs+xxEc5b1YmR8s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=g/rj/NTBLh9+Khyx+73L5x1gysPMUbZUb5+aQ3mPlDGf/3xR0MPA/rKCBe+GZHe5oYxfRtL49BmBwC0dCEt/Wa3v3qM3oEpYMJZdhjENauFgrF2bVsfYHVTEibn+WAApVUCG1ctI66GJf7NKDRt5sRtOHsYSmg5QJ1T44SeIGRI=; Received: from [130.129.18.220] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002593049.msg for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:18:49 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:21:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfOz15cnSf0cDrCEdyc6gAWy4mm/wAAVypgAAPiqcg= In-Reply-To: <61968779B8AC4C4BAB421D4C12F008C00C9DB944@XCH47YKF.rim.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:070725:69attendees@ietf.org::AghwXQwJJhRWm63f:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000088U+ X-MDRemoteIP: 130.129.18.220 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on mail.consulintel.es X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=4.5 tests=BAYES_00, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:18:50 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:18:50 +0200 X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: b2809b6f39decc6de467dcf252f42af1 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I disagree on the Brazil situation. I've been there for several meetings and never had any issue, same with African locations. The chances to get a problem are probably statistically the same in most of the locations, specially for such a big group. We had terrorism warnings in Paris, the same as there are bombs some times in Spain, same as pickpockets everywhere. For me is much a bigger thread, talking from a statistical point of view, spending so much time with immigration in an unpredictable way. Regards, Jordi > De: Andrew Allen > Responder a: > Fecha: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:42:40 -0400 > Para: Eric Burger , Nico , JORDI > PALET MARTINEZ > CC: <69attendees@ietf.org> > Conversaci=F3n: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions > Asunto: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions >=20 >=20 > While I personally agree with Eric that Thailand is a nice place for a > meeting. There was a big problem at a recent standards meeting of > another body because many delegates from several companies were unable > to attend because of "security concerns". >=20 > While I agree with Eric that Bangkok at least is "relatively safe > (unless you do unsafe things, but that gets you in trouble everywhere)" > currently there is some political instability in that country and also a > low level guerilla war in the southern provinces. Whilst my view is such > concerns are exaggerated the fact is that several companies did not > allow their delegates to attend the meeting probably because of > insurance and liability issues. >=20 > I think such issues may also be relevant to some of the other African > and South American destinations that some other people are proposing on > this thread. I know that another standards body was planning to have a > meeting in Brazil with Rio or San Paulo being the envisioned > destinations but they ended up in the far less interesting capital > Brazilia because of these kinds of issues. >=20 > I think this would be as big an issue as the problem of some people > being unable to get visas for the US. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Burger [mailto:eburger@bea.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:21 AM > To: Nico; JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions >=20 > I would offer we go to Thailand: >=20 > Relatively well connected by air from everywhere >=20 > Relatively safe (unless you do unsafe things, but that gets you in > trouble > everywhere) >=20 > Absolutely inexpensive >=20 >=20 > On 7/25/07 10:05 AM, "Nico" wrote: >=20 >> On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:50:02AM -0500, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >>> However, hotels and food is also cheaper in LAC and Africa. Now is > also >>> cheaper in US for people using Euros in the own countries, but this > is not >>> always the same. >>=20 >> For sufficiently long trips (and IETF meetings qualify) hotel and food >> costs tend to be the bigger expense. But don't think that reality > will >> match expectations: off-hotel food was quite good and inexpensive in >> Prague, but hotel costs and hotel food were outrageous. >>=20 >> Also, the Paris meeting produced a number of complaints about >> pickpocketing and such security problems; I'd expect to hear similar >> things about a meeting in Rio, say (but a meeting in Rio would be > nice, >> IMO). >>=20 >> Nico >=20 >=20 > Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may contain > information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and affiliated > entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted and/or > legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual > or entity named in this message. 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A suitable hotel or convention center 2. A local host or at least some organization on the ground willing to do the required legwork. 3. Sufficient funding from either the host or a collection of sponsors Any discussion of "foo is a nice place" is probably not helpful to the people who ultimately make decisions on this since they are already well aware of a large collection of such places. But a combination of 2 and 3 above and a real "proposal" should be forwarded to the IETF Executive Director and the IOAC. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 13:55:00 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDl4b-0007Jr-R1; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:54:57 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDl4Z-0007Jh-Tp for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:54:55 -0400 Received: from mail.consulintel.es ([213.172.48.142] helo=consulintel.es) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDl4Z-0004Jt-5n for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:54:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1185389513; x=1185994313; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Mime-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=eAmvygHxphKjsy HpzVxYPq/i9OPtT5IJ7UstDUV8llN6nc23Go1fa/a8JQ+GZEijZHMr9q8r7ykMbx eizGMQiIdflP65VFWJgOquSZCmjRIxgKOF8L7xTM04JKzYvmcmDP1uEl8xKZaWkz satsbxykfHWeIKB7zWOsD2Dg+DQ4M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=TJLo7jRRc7X8vnsL0UI3koMNo0iBQQUO8Wp9846DOcpqgMC+a5xx9fHRKqKfK6cp2XYJWipPS7P1TRNPVkxMBQr2PYEGuoJnZNaHJNSSXV3R3HCNjSdUIMnKaoh915O77UGMcb9zXIty96Zfn3yCW9wQ8WRQUCMfOKc9hAEhlqE=; Received: from [130.129.18.220] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002593078.msg for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:51:52 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:54:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfO5MxfCxE6pDrYEdySDQAX8sYbNQ== In-Reply-To: <6E8BFF7B-FAF2-46E9-8229-189DF132D407@muada.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:070725:69attendees@ietf.org::gPXGSI9pVcmrFs57:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000c85 X-MDRemoteIP: 130.129.18.220 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on mail.consulintel.es X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=4.5 tests=BAYES_00, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:51:53 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:51:53 +0200 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0fa76816851382eb71b0a882ccdc29ac X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is way I indicated in several occasions that our model for hosting is broken. The host should be different than the sponsor. Hosts can still facilitate some local things (such as connectivity, locally required human resources, etc.), but the sponsors should not choose the venue. Sponsors should be looked to cover 1 or several IETF meetings costs and then in parallel different venues be available. The total costs can be then fixed with some "smaller" local sponsors. This way will allow that even if a venue is good, there need not to be a local sponsor(s) (a local hosts is still required) for a meeting to happen there. I agree that a set of venues may be presented to the possible sponsors to try to agree on their preference, but not anymore accepting sponsors strictly for a specific venue. Regards, Jordi > De: Iljitsch van Beijnum > Responder a: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > Fecha: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:31:58 -0500 > Para: james woodyatt > CC: <69attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions > > On 25-jul-2007, at 10:21, james woodyatt wrote: > >> I suspect the problem is not finding places in Mexico, but finding >> *hosts* in Mexico. Maybe someone from LACNIC could help there. > > Many of the companies that are hosts work world-wide anyway. > > But what's up with this host deal? The IETF is already _making_ money > on the meetings from the meeting fees, why do we need to squeeze even > more out of a host? > > I have no idea what's going behind the scenes, but the meeting > location selection is rather broken from where I'm sitting. I've been > trying to float the notion of having one in The Hague, or Holland in > general. There aren't any Hiltons with 1000+ rooms and matching > conference facilities there, but it could work very well in a way > similar to Vienna or Paris. However, my requests for information > about the number of rooms required etc have never resulted in > anything useful. I'm pretty sure it would be possible to get stuff > like the terminal room and connectivity sponsored even without an > official host, but in order to get that stuff rolling, I would need > at least a nibble from the IETF. > > And that's nothing compared with what Jordi has lived through. > > Iljitsch > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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( [130.129.83.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g8sm2874754muf.2007.07.25.11.20.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46A7948A.9000602@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:20:58 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: "69attendees@ietf.org" <69attendees@ietf.org> X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> But what's up with this host deal? The IETF is already _making_ money >> on the meetings from the meeting fees, why do we need to squeeze even >> more out of a host? That needs clarifying. The IETF has to meet its total annual costs using three sources - meeting fees - donations and sponsoring - budget from ISOC Whether the donations and sponsoring come from "hosts" or "sponsors" really doesn't matter, and whether they are tied to meetings really doesn't matter. What matters is that those three sources add up to the total costs of running the IETF. If you reduce one of them by a dollar, the other two sources have to provide that dollar. Today, the numbers work out that we must run about a 50% surplus on the meeting fees. If you'd like to reduce the host contribution, you'll either be asking ISOC to send more money, or be paying a higher meeting fee. As for separating sponsorship from hosting, some sponsors will like that and others will want to host in a specific location. I think the IAOC needs to be flexible about this. Brian _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 14:35:25 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDlhi-0000TC-Vw; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:35:22 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDlhh-0000T5-K6 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:35:21 -0400 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.244]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDlhh-00016g-8y for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:35:21 -0400 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c17so60192anc for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:35:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fYUOjZrGk+8vZtPi9evQWGOp3azrsgVKGLX8gInvgh+7PoelJyBQ3xjLNcH8ayPiO53PQgBmnZcN/Ovg8xCxLLvK0dz31zF1i0grYcKKawaY++QlinSkSf3tM+O/5VWSMfYmrwrbhxIoUraxwptr1E65qgVqGTYs/9BcBCqIKK0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=B2G+3dt+wj3UDQxCioIhzRa0zE5fTZVU3vJrsquO1mD0Fd2aEh/mCF1OT8INzgYelnF6Wlh59ivuPAK+i1xJ+LjoUcT0IAZpK1OxccKl+XtyD/nrDMpaHRERmE7Wt9miyw8Cf8EZAxAhPvmAiaFjYYbX2d2NUn2fL6SeDMceES0= Received: by 10.100.198.18 with SMTP id v18mr533211anf.1185388520668; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.138.13 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <66e98e80707251135td13ff2fpd10dece504520049@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:35:20 -0700 From: "Heejin Jang" To: "Bill Fenner" Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] I can't hear you! In-Reply-To: <200707241832.l6OIWCFE001194@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200707241832.l6OIWCFE001194@bright.research.att.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1820935101==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1820935101== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1724_25624466.1185388520544" ------=_Part_1724_25624466.1185388520544 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline But, this morning, I cannot sleep due to construction noise from 7AM either. I complaint to the front desk, but they just told that they cannot do anything for me because it's a contract with construction company. I hope I can sleep well tomorrow :( . On 7/24/07, Bill Fenner wrote: > > > My understanding is that the hotel promised that construction > would be silent until the end of the week. While the convention > services department seems earnest about wanting to keep the > promise, there appear to be issues with communicating with the > workers. > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > ------=_Part_1724_25624466.1185388520544 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
But, this morning, I cannot sleep due to construction noise from 7AM either.
I complaint to the front desk, but they just told that they cannot do anything for me
because it's a contract with construction company.
 
I hope I can sleep well tomorrow :( . 


 
On 7/24/07, Bill Fenner <fenner@research.att.com> wrote:

My understanding is that the hotel promised that construction
would be silent until the end of the week.  While the convention
services department seems earnest about wanting to keep the
promise, there appear to be issues with communicating with the
workers.

Bill

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------=_Part_1724_25624466.1185388520544-- --===============1820935101== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============1820935101==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 14:41:37 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDlnj-0007b9-K1; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:41:35 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDlnh-0007Or-9q for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:41:33 -0400 Received: from c243-111.rim.net ([216.9.243.111]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDlng-00068k-8e for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:41:32 -0400 Importance: normal Priority: normal Received: from ngw02ykf.rim.net ([10.102.108.31]) by c243-111.rim.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:41:31 -0400 Received: from XCH21YKF.rim.net ([10.102.100.36]) by ngw02ykf.rim.net (SAVSMTP 3.1.6.45) with SMTP id M2007072514413116508 ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:41:31 -0400 Received: from XCH47YKF.rim.net ([10.64.31.217]) by XCH21YKF.rim.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:41:31 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2826 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:41:30 -0400 Message-ID: <61968779B8AC4C4BAB421D4C12F008C0070CFA1F@XCH47YKF.rim.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Thread-Index: AcfOz15cnSf0cDrCEdyc6gAWy4mm/wAAVypgAAPiqcgAAsk7Ig== From: "Andrew Allen" To: , <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2007 18:41:31.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B2B3A60:01C7CEEB] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b6657e60309a1317174c9db2ae5f227 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Jordi I personally agree with you about the risk. However reality is that if = your company or their insurance company is not willing to "take the = risk" as they perceive it then you are going to be unable to attend the = meeting unless you pay for everything yourself and take a vacation to do = it. Andrew -------------------------- Andrew Allen Manager Standards Research In Motion Ltd Office +1 847-793-0861 x20824 BlackBerry Mobile +1 847 809 8636 http://www.rim.com/ Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld ----- Original Message ----- From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: 69attendees@ietf.org <69attendees@ietf.org> Sent: Wed Jul 25 13:21:44 2007 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions I disagree on the Brazil situation. I've been there for several meetings = and never had any issue, same with African locations. The chances to get a problem are probably statistically the same in most = of the locations, specially for such a big group. We had terrorism warnings = in Paris, the same as there are bombs some times in Spain, same as = pickpockets everywhere. For me is much a bigger thread, talking from a statistical = point of view, spending so much time with immigration in an unpredictable way. Regards, Jordi > De: Andrew Allen > Responder a: > Fecha: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:42:40 -0400 > Para: Eric Burger , Nico , = JORDI > PALET MARTINEZ > CC: <69attendees@ietf.org> > Conversaci=F3n: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions > Asunto: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions >=20 >=20 > While I personally agree with Eric that Thailand is a nice place for a > meeting. There was a big problem at a recent standards meeting of > another body because many delegates from several companies were unable > to attend because of "security concerns". >=20 > While I agree with Eric that Bangkok at least is "relatively safe > (unless you do unsafe things, but that gets you in trouble = everywhere)" > currently there is some political instability in that country and also = a > low level guerilla war in the southern provinces. Whilst my view is = such > concerns are exaggerated the fact is that several companies did not > allow their delegates to attend the meeting probably because of > insurance and liability issues. >=20 > I think such issues may also be relevant to some of the other African > and South American destinations that some other people are proposing = on > this thread. I know that another standards body was planning to have a > meeting in Brazil with Rio or San Paulo being the envisioned > destinations but they ended up in the far less interesting capital > Brazilia because of these kinds of issues. >=20 > I think this would be as big an issue as the problem of some people > being unable to get visas for the US. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Burger [mailto:eburger@bea.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:21 AM > To: Nico; JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions >=20 > I would offer we go to Thailand: >=20 > Relatively well connected by air from everywhere >=20 > Relatively safe (unless you do unsafe things, but that gets you in > trouble > everywhere) >=20 > Absolutely inexpensive >=20 >=20 > On 7/25/07 10:05 AM, "Nico" wrote: >=20 >> On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:50:02AM -0500, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >>> However, hotels and food is also cheaper in LAC and Africa. Now is > also >>> cheaper in US for people using Euros in the own countries, but this > is not >>> always the same. >>=20 >> For sufficiently long trips (and IETF meetings qualify) hotel and = food >> costs tend to be the bigger expense. But don't think that reality > will >> match expectations: off-hotel food was quite good and inexpensive in >> Prague, but hotel costs and hotel food were outrageous. >>=20 >> Also, the Paris meeting produced a number of complaints about >> pickpocketing and such security problems; I'd expect to hear similar >> things about a meeting in Rio, say (but a meeting in Rio would be > nice, >> IMO). >>=20 >> Nico >=20 >=20 > Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may = contain > information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and = affiliated > entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted = and/or > legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the = individual > or entity named in this message. 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Chicago Style Hot Dogs I had lunch at "Hot Dougs". They have a great chicago style hot dog along with every other kind of sausage in a bun that anyone could want. Prices are low (e.g., the one I had was $1.75) See: http://www.hotdougs.com/ The only down side is that the taxi fare was larger than the cost of the food. With a larger group it wouldn't be a problem. To paraphase the Michelin guide, it was worth the journey. Deep Dish Pizza I shared a deep dish pizza at Pizzeria Due at: 619 North Wabash Ave. Chicago, IL 60611 Phone: 312-943-2400 We had a large "Numero Uno" that was more then enough for four people. Worth the walk. Bob _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 15:04:01 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDm9Q-0000wy-GS; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:04:00 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDm9O-0000wk-8S for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:03:58 -0400 Received: from mail153.messagelabs.com ([216.82.253.51]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDm9N-0006rk-PD for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:03:58 -0400 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: Phil.Roberts@motorola.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-153.messagelabs.com!1185390236!4409917!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [129.188.136.8] Received: (qmail 30605 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2007 19:03:56 -0000 Received: from motgate8.mot.com (HELO motgate8.mot.com) (129.188.136.8) by server-15.tower-153.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2007 19:03:56 -0000 Received: from il06exr04.mot.com (il06exr04.mot.com [129.188.137.134]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motorola) with ESMTP id l6PJ3uca018794 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:03:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from il06vts03.mot.com (il06vts03.mot.com [129.188.137.143]) by il06exr04.mot.com (8.13.1/Vontu) with SMTP id l6PJ3tZw008647 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:03:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from de01exm67.ds.mot.com (de01exm67.am.mot.com [10.176.8.18]) by il06exr04.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l6PJ3tRF008640 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:03:55 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Two food reports Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:02:48 -0400 Message-ID: <9018559E7B637042AFBA86C7BE62706F01788F93@de01exm67.ds.mot.com> In-Reply-To: <2B7F7A8F-EC7D-4641-BF07-99F17E71B592@nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Two food reports Thread-Index: AcfO7X0vnuDnu5ilSlO1TwVkzehaZwAANNVg References: <2B7F7A8F-EC7D-4641-BF07-99F17E71B592@nokia.com> From: "Roberts Phil-APR042" To: , <69attendees@ietf.org> X-Vontu: Pass X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Frango mints are 75% off at Fields now.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hinden@nokia.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 1:56 PM > To: 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Two food reports >=20 > Sorry to change the subject from meeting locations, etc., but I have > two food recommendations. >=20 > Chicago Style Hot Dogs >=20 > I had lunch at "Hot Dougs". They have a great chicago style hot dog > along with every other kind of sausage in a bun that anyone could > want. Prices are low (e.g., the one I had was $1.75) See: >=20 > http://www.hotdougs.com/ >=20 > The only down side is that the taxi fare was larger than the cost of > the food. With a larger group it wouldn't be a problem. To > paraphase the Michelin guide, it was worth the journey. >=20 > Deep Dish Pizza >=20 > I shared a deep dish pizza at Pizzeria Due at: >=20 > 619 North Wabash Ave. > Chicago, IL 60611 > Phone: 312-943-2400 >=20 > We had a large "Numero Uno" that was more then enough for four > people. Worth the walk. >=20 > Bob >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 15:08:01 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmDG-0005bA-0i; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:07:58 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmDE-0005b3-NW for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:07:56 -0400 Received: from hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net ([216.37.94.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmDE-0006xv-Br for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:07:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 28569 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jul 2007 18:47:45 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 27535, pid: 28519, t: 0.8142s scanners: clamav: 0.90.2/m: spam: 3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.0 required=6.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_95 autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.28.168.55?) (drmime@sbcglobal.net@67.97.210.2) by hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net with ESMTPA; 25 Jul 2007 18:47:44 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: <521481.47871.qm@web27804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8DD99EE1-F7D4-4144-B5B4-96C2F6FF7FF1@guppylake.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Nathaniel Borenstein Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:55:13 -0400 To: Barry Leiba X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 Between the decibel level at the social event last night and the =20 jackhammers and other construction noise throughout the meetings, I =20 will always think of this as the Obnoxiously Loud IETF. -- Nathaniel On Jul 25, 2007, at 7/25/071:00 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: >> There was one better social though which is not easy to top >> (#45 Oslo, huge garden at the sea, nice summer weather, >> barbecue) > > I missed that one, but my favourite was Paris, at the Mus=E9e =20 > d'Orsay. Prague was nice too. > > What they both had going for them was that one could actually talk =20 > with people. I'd like to put a bug in the collective ear of =20 > organizers to choose places where one can, at least as an option, =20 > find a semi-quiet place to talk. I liked the band last night -- =20 > they were good. But there really was no way to have a reasonable =20 > conversation, and that is, to me, what a social event is about. > > Barry > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 15:12:32 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmHg-0006vK-7a; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:12:32 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmHf-0006vC-AO for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:12:31 -0400 Received: from robin.verisign.com ([65.205.251.75]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmHe-000764-PH for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:12:31 -0400 Received: from MOU1WNEXCN03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (mailer6.verisign.com [65.205.251.33]) by robin.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l6PJCKsD010346; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:12:21 -0700 Received: from MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.25.13.157]) by MOU1WNEXCN03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:12:20 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Social Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:10:22 -0700 Message-ID: <198A730C2044DE4A96749D13E167AD370134184F@MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <8DD99EE1-F7D4-4144-B5B4-96C2F6FF7FF1@guppylake.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Social Thread-Index: AcfO7yGZ82KjZnsHT9uRScloqo59GAAAB9pA From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" To: "Nathaniel Borenstein" , "Barry Leiba" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2007 19:12:20.0780 (UTC) FILETIME=[B97C86C0:01C7CEEF] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I suggest that next time we keep the event at the same location, skip = the band and have the tech support crew give a demonstration / lecture = on the sound gear, mixing desks, lighting rigs and so on. The band was pretty good but there were more folk drooling over the two = mixing desks than watching the dancers.=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathaniel Borenstein [mailto:nsb@guppylake.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:55 PM > To: Barry Leiba > Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social >=20 > +1 >=20 > Between the decibel level at the social event last night and=20 > the jackhammers and other construction noise throughout the=20 > meetings, I will always think of this as the Obnoxiously Loud=20 > IETF. -- Nathaniel >=20 > On Jul 25, 2007, at 7/25/071:00 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: >=20 > >> There was one better social though which is not easy to top > >> (#45 Oslo, huge garden at the sea, nice summer weather, > >> barbecue) > > > > I missed that one, but my favourite was Paris, at the Mus=E9e=20 > d'Orsay. =20 > > Prague was nice too. > > > > What they both had going for them was that one could actually talk=20 > > with people. I'd like to put a bug in the collective ear of=20 > organizers=20 > > to choose places where one can, at least as an option, find a=20 > > semi-quiet place to talk. I liked the band last night -- they were=20 > > good. But there really was no way to have a reasonable=20 > conversation,=20 > > and that is, to me, what a social event is about. > > > > Barry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >=20 _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 15:17:56 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmMu-0004vA-2S; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:17:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmMs-0004v1-Nc for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:17:54 -0400 Received: from c243-111.rim.net ([216.9.243.111]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmMs-0002Jz-7d for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:17:54 -0400 Importance: normal Priority: normal Received: from ngw02ykf.rim.net ([10.102.108.31]) by c243-111.rim.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:17:53 -0400 Received: from XCH20YKF.rim.net ([10.102.100.35]) by ngw02ykf.rim.net (SAVSMTP 3.1.6.45) with SMTP id M2007072515175319289 ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:17:53 -0400 Received: from XCH47YKF.rim.net ([10.64.31.217]) by XCH20YKF.rim.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:17:53 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2826 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:17:52 -0400 Message-ID: <61968779B8AC4C4BAB421D4C12F008C0070CFA20@XCH47YKF.rim.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Social thread-index: AcfO7yGZ82KjZnsHT9uRScloqo59GAAAB9pAAABPjk0= From: "Andrew Allen" To: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2007 19:17:53.0337 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FB4B290:01C7CEF0] X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: cf3becbbd6d1a45acbe2ffd4ab88bdc2 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I'm pretty sure that is an exageration. Personally the only mixing I noticed was the barmaid mixing the drinks = and people mixing it up on the dance floor! -------------------------- Andrew Allen Manager Standards Research In Motion Ltd Office +1 847-793-0861 x20824 BlackBerry Mobile +1 847 809 8636 http://www.rim.com/ Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld ----- Original Message ----- From: Hallam-Baker, Phillip To: Nathaniel Borenstein ; Barry Leiba = Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org <69attendees@ietf.org> Sent: Wed Jul 25 15:10:22 2007 Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Social I suggest that next time we keep the event at the same location, skip = the band and have the tech support crew give a demonstration / lecture = on the sound gear, mixing desks, lighting rigs and so on. The band was pretty good but there were more folk drooling over the two = mixing desks than watching the dancers.=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathaniel Borenstein [mailto:nsb@guppylake.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:55 PM > To: Barry Leiba > Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social >=20 > +1 >=20 > Between the decibel level at the social event last night and=20 > the jackhammers and other construction noise throughout the=20 > meetings, I will always think of this as the Obnoxiously Loud=20 > IETF. -- Nathaniel >=20 > On Jul 25, 2007, at 7/25/071:00 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: >=20 > >> There was one better social though which is not easy to top > >> (#45 Oslo, huge garden at the sea, nice summer weather, > >> barbecue) > > > > I missed that one, but my favourite was Paris, at the Mus=E9e=20 > d'Orsay. =20 > > Prague was nice too. > > > > What they both had going for them was that one could actually talk=20 > > with people. I'd like to put a bug in the collective ear of=20 > organizers=20 > > to choose places where one can, at least as an option, find a=20 > > semi-quiet place to talk. I liked the band last night -- they were=20 > > good. But there really was no way to have a reasonable=20 > conversation,=20 > > and that is, to me, what a social event is about. > > > > Barry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >=20 _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --------------------------------------------------------------------- This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential = information, privileged material (including material protected by the = solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute = non-public information. 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Prague was nice too. > > What they both had going for them was that one could actually talk =20 > with people. I'd like to put a bug in the collective ear of =20 > organizers to choose places where one can, at least as an option, =20 > find a semi-quiet place to talk. I liked the band last night -- =20 > they were good. But there really was no way to have a reasonable =20 > conversation, and that is, to me, what a social event is about. > > Barry > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --------------------------------------------------------------------- This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential = information, privileged material (including material protected by the = solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute = non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than = the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this = transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete = this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or = reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not = authorized and may be unlawful. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 15:25:50 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmUY-0000La-Db; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:25:50 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmUW-0000LU-UF for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:25:48 -0400 Received: from smtp121.sat.emailsrvr.com ([66.216.121.121]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmUV-0002RS-6i for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:25:48 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id 9563C1B4339; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46A7A577.3060403@isoc.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:33:11 -0400 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Allen Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social References: <61968779B8AC4C4BAB421D4C12F008C0070CFA21@XCH47YKF.rim.net> In-Reply-To: <61968779B8AC4C4BAB421D4C12F008C0070CFA21@XCH47YKF.rim.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 03fb21b15d5177c512a4caa19876f30a Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0670790443==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0670790443== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060009010701070309070908" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060009010701070309070908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All; We brought the issue of the construction to the attention of the hotel=20 and were assured yesterday that there would be no noise from the 5th=20 floor project. Specifically they said: My sincere apologies for the noise during the meetings today. The Hotel=20 Manager, Dean Lane, has addressed the issue of the jack hammering and=20 other construction related noise with the General Contractor for the=20 Restoration Project. In order to complete a key component of the work, the crew has been=20 instructed to work only between the hours of 6:00 am and 9:00 am on the=20 5th floor. At 9:00 am all construction on the 5th floor will cease for=20 the day. Any work that is happening in this area will not affect the=20 guest room floors. Additionally, a directive has been given to the workers on the guest=20 room floors that no work is to start before 8:00 am. This coincides=20 with your breakfast start time of 8:00 am, so hopefully your guests will=20 not be impacted by any noise related issues. Today, after some drilling and hammering returned, the hotel was told to=20 stop. They apologized again and addressed this with the Project Manager=20 and the individuals that were responsible for the drilling / hammering=20 have been moved. We will monitor this further. If the noise recurs notify mtd@ietf.org=20 for the quickest response. Ray Pelletier IAD Andrew Allen wrote: >"Obnoxiously Loud IETF" a badge we wear with pride! >-------------------------- >Andrew Allen >Manager Standards >Research In Motion Ltd >Office +1 847-793-0861 x20824 >BlackBerry Mobile +1 847 809 8636 >http://www.rim.com/ > >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Nathaniel Borenstein >To: Barry Leiba >Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org <69attendees@ietf.org> >Sent: Wed Jul 25 14:55:13 2007 >Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social > >+1 > >Between the decibel level at the social event last night and the =20 >jackhammers and other construction noise throughout the meetings, I =20 >will always think of this as the Obnoxiously Loud IETF. -- Nathaniel > >On Jul 25, 2007, at 7/25/071:00 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: > > =20 > >>>There was one better social though which is not easy to top >>> (#45 Oslo, huge garden at the sea, nice summer weather, >>> barbecue) >>> =20 >>> >>I missed that one, but my favourite was Paris, at the Mus=C3=A9e =20 >>d'Orsay. Prague was nice too. >> >>What they both had going for them was that one could actually talk =20 >>with people. I'd like to put a bug in the collective ear of =20 >>organizers to choose places where one can, at least as an option, =20 >>find a semi-quiet place to talk. I liked the band last night -- =20 >>they were good. But there really was no way to have a reasonable =20 >>conversation, and that is, to me, what a social event is about. >> >>Barry >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>69ATTENDEES mailing list >>69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >> =20 >> > > >_______________________________________________ >69ATTENDEES mailing list >69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential i= nformation, privileged material (including material protected by the soli= citor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public in= formation. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended = recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error,= please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from = your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this tr= ansmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful= . > >_______________________________________________ >69ATTENDEES mailing list >69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > =20 > --------------060009010701070309070908 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All;

We brought the issue of the construction to the attention of the hotel and were assured yesterday that there would be no noise from the 5th floor project.

Specifically they said:
My sincere apologies for the noise during the meetings today.  The Hotel Manager, Dean Lane, has addressed the issue of the jack hammering and other construction related noise with the General Contractor for the Restoration Project.

In order to complete a key component of the work, the crew has been instructed to work only between the hours of 6:00 am and 9:00 am on the 5th floor.  At 9:00 am all construction on the 5th floor will cease for the day.  Any work that is happening in this area will not affect the guest room floors.

Additionally, a directive has been given to the workers on the guest room floors that no work is to start before 8:00 am.  This coincides with your breakfast start time of 8:00 am, so hopefully your guests will not be impacted by any noise related issues.

Today, after some drilling and hammering returned, the hotel was told to stop.  They apologized again and addressed this with the Project Manager and the individuals that were responsible for the drilling / hammering have been moved.

We will monitor this further.  If the noise recurs notify mtd@ietf.org for the quickest response.

Ray Pelletier
IAD


Andrew Allen wrote: 
"Obnoxiously Loud IETF" a badge we wear with pride!
--------------------------
Andrew Allen
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Office +1 847-793-0861 x20824
BlackBerry Mobile  +1 847 809 8636
http://www.rim.com/

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----- Original Message -----
From: Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@guppylake.com>
To: Barry Leiba <leiba@watson.ibm.com>
Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org <69attendees@ietf.org>
Sent: Wed Jul 25 14:55:13 2007
Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social

+1

Between the decibel level at the social event last night and the  
jackhammers and other construction noise throughout the meetings, I  
will always think of this as the Obnoxiously Loud IETF.  -- Nathaniel

On Jul 25, 2007, at 7/25/071:00 PM, Barry Leiba wrote:

  
There was one better social though which is not easy to top
 (#45 Oslo, huge garden at the sea, nice summer weather,
 barbecue)
      
I missed that one, but my favourite was Paris, at the Musée  
d'Orsay.  Prague was nice too.

What they both had going for them was that one could actually talk  
with people. I'd like to put a bug in the collective ear of  
organizers to choose places where one can, at least as an option,  
find a semi-quiet place to talk.  I liked the band last night --  
they were good.  But there really was no way to have a reasonable  
conversation, and that is, to me, what a social event is about.

Barry


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--------------060009010701070309070908-- --===============0670790443== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============0670790443==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 15:51:53 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmti-0003e8-Hk; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:51:50 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmth-0003dv-No for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:51:49 -0400 Received: from [2001:418:1:0:230:48ff:fe82:537e] (helo=nagasaki.bogus.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmth-0002wW-Ef for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:51:49 -0400 Received: from [130.129.85.251] ([130.129.85.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6PJpl7G076854; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:51:48 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <46A7A9D3.70802@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:51:47 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nico Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions References: <20070724231104.GA1719@Sun.COM> <200707250510.l6P5AubK081147@drugs.dv.isc.org> <20070725162718.012c3079.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> <20070725143139.GC1584@Sun.COM> In-Reply-To: <20070725143139.GC1584@Sun.COM> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.90.2/3763/Wed Jul 25 15:37:41 2007 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Nico wrote: > Aha! That might be the reason, then, for not stamping visitors' > passports: so they can't stay legally. (But I seriously doubt it.) > > (The immig officer who barely stamped my passport barely even looked at > it or at me. I was astounded. Still am.) > The french authorities knew as do the US authorities before your plane took off for it's destination who was on board... If they wanted to talk to you, they would have found you. There's no particular reason a security perimeter needs to be visible to be work unless the principle goal is theater rather than effectiveness. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 15:54:55 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmwg-0007hD-8i; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:54:54 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmwf-0007h6-BP for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:54:53 -0400 Received: from lemland.kurtis.pp.se ([2001:670:87:2::25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmwe-000301-U9 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:54:53 -0400 Received: from [172.28.168.46] (unknown [67.97.210.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by lemland.kurtis.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEA378C08 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:54:51 +0300 (EEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <05335C77-FC15-46DC-B640-C255D85B754D@kurtis.pp.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: 69attendees@ietf.org From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:54:23 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Construction noise X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org As has been observed by people on this list there have been disturbances due to construction noise during the meeting. NSS/IETF had been assured beforehand that this would not happen. The construction work is on the 5th floor, so between the floors where we are meeting. Yesterday the hotel assured NSS that construction work would not happen outside 6am-9am. Unfortunately this morning there was again construction noise that disturbed the meeting. As soon as notified the IAD contacted NSS who complained to the hotel staff and the project manager. We have again been re-assured that this will not reocure. The IAOC, IAD and NSS takes this very seriously so please notify us immediately if there are more disturbance from the construction so that we can take this up with the hotel. Hopefully this will not be needed. On behalf of the IAOC, - kurtis - _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 16:25:43 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDnQQ-00039F-Du; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:25:38 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDnQN-000397-5w for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:25:35 -0400 Received: from ns0.neustar.com ([156.154.16.158]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDnQM-0003eK-QN for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:25:35 -0400 Received: from stntexch12.cis.neustar.com (exchange.va.neustar.com [10.31.13.31]) by ns0.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E09328E4; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:25:04 +0000 (GMT) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Social Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:25:02 -0400 Message-ID: <886DD03D15173C43BCE98EA662A0101A031C9BF0@stntexch12.cis.neustar.com> In-Reply-To: <198A730C2044DE4A96749D13E167AD370134184F@MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Social Thread-Index: AcfO7yGZ82KjZnsHT9uRScloqo59GAAAB9pAAACOFdA= References: <8DD99EE1-F7D4-4144-B5B4-96C2F6FF7FF1@guppylake.com> <198A730C2044DE4A96749D13E167AD370134184F@MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> From: "Rosen, Brian" To: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" , "Nathaniel Borenstein" , "Barry Leiba" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6cca30437e2d04f45110f2ff8dc1b1d5 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org The board was pretty sweet, but the tech was very bad; I really wanted = to vault over the bar and take over. He really did not have the balance = right for most of the night, some of the mics (the harp for example) = overloaded, and the EQ settings for some of the instruments were = terrible. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Hallam-Baker, Phillip [mailto:pbaker@verisign.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 3:10 PM > To: Nathaniel Borenstein; Barry Leiba > Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Social >=20 > I suggest that next time we keep the event at the same location, skip = the > band and have the tech support crew give a demonstration / lecture on = the > sound gear, mixing desks, lighting rigs and so on. >=20 > The band was pretty good but there were more folk drooling over the = two > mixing desks than watching the dancers. >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nathaniel Borenstein [mailto:nsb@guppylake.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:55 PM > > To: Barry Leiba > > Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social > > > > +1 > > > > Between the decibel level at the social event last night and > > the jackhammers and other construction noise throughout the > > meetings, I will always think of this as the Obnoxiously Loud > > IETF. -- Nathaniel > > > > On Jul 25, 2007, at 7/25/071:00 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: > > > > >> There was one better social though which is not easy to top > > >> (#45 Oslo, huge garden at the sea, nice summer weather, > > >> barbecue) > > > > > > I missed that one, but my favourite was Paris, at the Mus=E9e > > d'Orsay. > > > Prague was nice too. > > > > > > What they both had going for them was that one could actually talk > > > with people. I'd like to put a bug in the collective ear of > > organizers > > > to choose places where one can, at least as an option, find a > > > semi-quiet place to talk. I liked the band last night -- they = were > > > good. But there really was no way to have a reasonable > > conversation, > > > and that is, to me, what a social event is about. > > > > > > Barry > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > > > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 16:38:26 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDncl-0004F4-GO; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:38:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDnck-0004Eh-57 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:38:22 -0400 Received: from usaga01-in.huawei.com ([206.16.17.211]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDnci-0003uA-GB for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:38:22 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (usaga01-in [172.18.4.6]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JLR008HE5BVXM@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s73602 (dhcp-16f7.ietf69.org [130.129.22.247]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JLR00G1N5BRIZ@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:35:10 -0500 From: Spencer Dawkins Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social To: 69attendees@ietf.org Message-id: <193f01c7cefb$4d583cd0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <61968779B8AC4C4BAB421D4C12F008C0070CFA21@XCH47YKF.rim.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Andrew, > "Obnoxiously Loud IETF" a badge we wear with pride! With apologies to Mel Brooks/"Blazing Saddles", "we don't need no stinkin' badges..." I'm thinking a more persistent appearance, somewhere between "t-shirts" and "tattoos"... Spencer _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 16:47:06 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDnlA-0002Xf-IT; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:47:04 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDnl9-0002XV-5T for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:47:03 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com ([171.71.176.117]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDnl8-0000fz-Pu for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:47:03 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2007 13:47:02 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAGdTp0arR7PD/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,581,1175497200"; d="scan'208"; a="188576982:sNHT64981953" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6PKl2u0011990; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:47:02 -0700 Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.177.199]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6PKl1Sc029421; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:47:01 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:46:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Spencer Dawkins Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social In-Reply-To: <193f01c7cefb$4d583cd0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> Message-ID: References: <61968779B8AC4C4BAB421D4C12F008C0070CFA21@XCH47YKF.rim.net> <193f01c7cefb$4d583cd0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=802; t=1185396422; x=1186260422; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; z=From:=20Ole=20Jacobsen=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[69ATTENDEES]=20Social |Sender:=20; bh=sJdN1K14URr7rTRfBgRtN/2Ow0zEfbIBqBxg6XunVH0=; b=QLEFF7ZB8Wq9SMT8gW5jvE1LSHv9atAjkn4tuz7yIe52Dn1sZEThpkr0jfrH2i4+Zwtxvwir kf4OOjXPyzxdNeKD4pXLKMR9Ql+oLStCMd4v1wEgLsNTPaviDBO2U9E8; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=ole@cisco.com; dkim=pass (sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org The original is in Treasure of Sierra Madre: http://www.darryl.com/badges/ 1935 vs 1974 Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > Hi, Andrew, > > > "Obnoxiously Loud IETF" a badge we wear with pride! > > With apologies to Mel Brooks/"Blazing Saddles", > > "we don't need no stinkin' badges..." > > I'm thinking a more persistent appearance, somewhere between "t-shirts" and > "tattoos"... > > Spencer > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 16:55:06 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDnst-0001OG-LM; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:55:03 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDnss-0001O9-35 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:55:02 -0400 Received: from minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu ([128.2.185.161]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDnsr-0004Cm-Pl for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:55:02 -0400 Received: from minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu id aa14733; 25 Jul 2007 16:54 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:54:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey Hutzelman X-X-Sender: To: "Rosen, Brian" Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Social In-Reply-To: <886DD03D15173C43BCE98EA662A0101A031C9BF0@stntexch12.cis.neustar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Rosen, Brian wrote: > The board was pretty sweet, but the tech was very bad; I really wanted > to vault over the bar and take over. He really did not have the > balance right for most of the night, some of the mics (the harp for > example) overloaded, and the EQ settings for some of the instruments > were terrible. It could have been worse. At least there _was_ a mixing board, unlike the room I've been having meetings in all week, where three microphones are simply wired together with 'Y' cables and then plugged into the same input on the portable speaker/amp. It's working surprisingly well, considering, but I miss the ability to individually adjust the mic levels. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 17:10:19 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDo7Z-0002gX-Ak; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:10:13 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDo7W-0002gJ-Dt for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:10:10 -0400 Received: from mailhost.jlc.net ([199.201.159.9]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDo7W-0004am-4z for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:10:10 -0400 Received: by mailhost.jlc.net (Postfix, from userid 104) id 014F923F0D2; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:10:07 -0400 From: John Leslie To: Jeffrey Hutzelman Message-ID: <20070725211007.GB69207@verdi> References: <886DD03D15173C43BCE98EA662A0101A031C9BF0@stntexch12.cis.neustar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Cc: "Rosen, Brian" , 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Audio mix (or lack thereof) X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Rosen, Brian wrote: > >> The board was pretty sweet, but the tech was very bad; I really wanted >> to vault over the bar and take over... I can attest that Brian has the experience to do so. ;^) > > It could have been worse. At least there _was_ a mixing board, unlike the > room I've been having meetings in all week, where three microphones are > simply wired together with 'Y' cables and then plugged into the same input > on the portable speaker/amp. I have been careful to _avoid_ looking at the audio setup (simple pain avoidance). But this is ridiculous. We should have enough clout with the hotels to supply our own mixers (in the name of the broadcast mix); and we _really_ should be making the broadcast mix useful for remote participation. -- John Leslie _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 19:47:21 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDqZZ-0002dS-Kg; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:47:17 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDqZX-0002Zb-Pq for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:47:16 -0400 Received: from smtp141.iad.emailsrvr.com ([207.97.245.141]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDqZW-0007Qs-H0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:47:15 -0400 Received: by relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id 0988913D58 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46A7E2BF.4000008@isoc.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:54:39 -0400 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] RFC Author License Execution Opportunity X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org All; Steve, Dave Crocker, Fred Baker, Harald Alvestrand, IBM and other RFC authors have executed an RFC Non-Exclusive License to the IETF Trust, the substantive wording of which is below. The document can be found at: http://trustee.ietf.org/authorlic.html If you are interested and willing to do the same, I will be in Parlor A from 10 - 12 Thursday for that purpose. I look forward to seeing you. Ray NOW THEREFORE, without limiting the effect of any prior license, assignment or transfer, Licensor hereby grants to Licensee, under all Licensor's Rights, without warranty of any kind, and Licensee accepts, a non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, paid-up, royalty-free right and license retroactive to the date of creation of the documents, including the right to sublicense, to reproduce, publish, distribute, modify, translate, excerpt, combine and create derivative works of the Documents and any portions thereof in any and all media, and otherwise to exploit Licensor's Rights in and to the Documents and any portions thereof in any manner whatsoever. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 19:56:37 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDqia-0003Pn-CA; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:56:36 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDqiY-0003Ms-Go for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:56:34 -0400 Received: from smtp141.iad.emailsrvr.com ([207.97.245.141]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDqiY-0004Wm-4i for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:56:34 -0400 Received: by relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id C162B13D73 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46A7E4EE.20206@isoc.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:03:58 -0400 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Renovation Noise X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org All; We have pressed the hotel concerning their renovations on our meeting=20 and I wanted to share their response with you. This is a matter which will be of particular concern and monitoring as=20 we contract with other venues and conduct future meetings. Ray IAD I wanted to have all of the information before replying to your e-mail. = I have had an opportunity to meet with the Restoration Project Manager an= d the Hotel Property Operations Manager in regard to your concerns below.= =20 First and foremost, I sincerely apologize for the noise that your attende= es experienced over night. I have been advised by our Hotel Property Op= erations Manager that there was an emergency situation on the roof of the= hotel last night that affected our air handlers. For the safety of our = guests, this is something that could not have waited until morning to rep= air. Please know that at no time was anyone in danger, but the situation= needed to be addressed at the moment. A letter of apology will be sent = up to the guest indicated below along with an amenity this evening. This= was a unplanned repair as we have no construction occurring in the hotel= overnight.=20 In regard to the meeting room noise, I have met with Restoration Project = Manager. We have previously requested that all work on the 5th floor was= to be completed by 9:00 am. With the amount of construction crews that = we have in the building at the moment, it is my impression that one of th= e crews did not understand the directive of foreman to not work in the ar= eas that would affect your meetings. The Restoration Project Manager ha= s given me her assurance that no further work would take place on the 5th= floor.=20 In order to combat any further instances, I will have managers "floating"= to each of your meeting rooms while they are in session for the remainde= r of the week to ensure that the level of noise that impacted your meetin= gs today does not happen for the final days of your meeting.=20 Again, I apologize for the inconvenience and disturbance this has caused.= If there is anything further I can do, please do not hesitate to contac= t me. =20 Dean Lane Hotel Manager - The Palmer House Hilton=AE _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 21:12:30 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDrtw-0008Cf-PS; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:12:24 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDrtv-0008CY-G9 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:12:23 -0400 Received: from hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net ([216.37.94.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDrtv-0005iV-6H for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:12:23 -0400 Received: (qmail 1802 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jul 2007 01:04:45 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 1762, pid: 1798, t: 0.6150s scanners: clamav: 0.90.2/m: spam: 3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.0 required=6.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_80 autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from unknown (HELO jys3105121962) (z24109@67.97.210.2) by hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net with ESMTPA; 26 Jul 2007 01:04:44 -0000 Message-ID: <014901c7cf22$03ec3d40$4fa81cac@jys3105121962> From: "Tina TSOU" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> References: <46A7E4EE.20206@isoc.org> Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Renovation Noise Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:12:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I forgot the website address where we can download our picture with the skyline taken in the social event. The photographer gave us a piece of blue paper, where the web information is printed. If anyone have it, would you send it out? Thanks:) B. R. Tina Messengers: MSN: tinatsou6@hotmail.com Yahoo: tina_tsou Skype: tinaTSOU Jabber: tina@jabber.org Google talk: tinatsou6@gmail.com _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 22:02:15 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDsg6-00036f-2f; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:02:10 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDsg5-00036a-85 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:02:09 -0400 Received: from clyde.disa.mil ([164.117.144.159]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDsg4-0006dJ-Rg for 69attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:02:09 -0400 Received: from herzegovina.disanet.disa-u.mil ([164.117.144.227]) by clyde.disa.mil with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:02:08 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Chicago Photo Souvenir URL (UNCLASSIFIED) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:02:06 -0400 Message-ID: <16BB45580B7F6A4D9CF65674DD7214F601D80C3B@herzegovina.disanet.disa-u.mil> In-Reply-To: <014901c7cf22$03ec3d40$4fa81cac@jys3105121962> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Chicago Photo Souvenir URL (UNCLASSIFIED) Thread-Index: AcfPIiCTCe4v6LNnTjqk00KmCgP65wABijvg References: <46A7E4EE.20206@isoc.org> <014901c7cf22$03ec3d40$4fa81cac@jys3105121962> From: "Nhan, Howard CIV DISA GES-E" To: "Tina TSOU" , <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2007 02:02:08.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8A28370:01C7CF28] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7da5a831c477fb6ef97f379a05fb683c Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0141766073==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0141766073== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C7CF07.6FEB22B0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C7CF07.6FEB22B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE http://moenning.smugmug.com/gallery/3061843 I was told the pictures will be available this Friday. -----Original Message----- From: Tina TSOU [mailto:tena@huawei.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:12 PM To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Renovation Noise Hi all, I forgot the website address where we can download our picture with the skyline taken in the social event. The photographer gave us a piece of blue paper, where the web information is printed. If anyone have it, would you send it out? Thanks:) B. R. 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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:17:56 -0400 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org >I'm getting 20% packetloss at the moment on the hotelnetwork. >Anybody knows what's going on ? There's a 24-hour support phone number on the little card attached to the ethernet cable; did you try them? Bill _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 09:48:03 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE3hB-000684-Gl; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:48:01 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE3h9-00067y-Gz for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:47:59 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE3h9-0004Qe-5w for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:47:59 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A77198680; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:47:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5A319867D; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:47:56 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <46A8A60C.4080103@piuha.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:47:56 -0500 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Antoin Verschuren Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Hotelnetwork slow ? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I noticed it too, but this morning it worked well again. I assumed the issue was all of us returning from dinner around the same time and checking on e-mail... Jari Antoin Verschuren kirjoitti: > I'm getting 20% packetloss at the moment on the hotelnetwork. > Anybody knows what's going on ? > > Antoin. > > ------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 10:07:57 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE40N-0006Qc-SM; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:07:51 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE40M-0006Lw-FZ for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:07:50 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com ([208.184.79.10]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE40L-0004rx-WA for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:07:50 -0400 Received: from [130.129.85.90] ([130.129.85.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6QE7QWh017870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:07:29 -0700 Message-ID: <46A89CE0.9030105@bbiw.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:08:48 -0500 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Pelletier Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Renovation Noise References: <46A7E4EE.20206@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: <46A7E4EE.20206@isoc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SongbirdInformation: support@songbird.com for more information X-Songbird: Clean X-Songbird-From: dcrocker@bbiw.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ray Pelletier wrote: > it is my impression that one > of the crews did not understand the directive of foreman to not work in > the areas that would affect your meetings. ... > In order to combat any further instances, I will have managers > "floating" to each of your meeting rooms while they are in session for The most important thing is making sure the disruptions to not recur, of course. That said, I think it worth clarifying at least one of the experiences. On the other side of the wall from our meeting, a guy started up with a jack-hammer. (Roughly half-size, which still ain't petite.) I went back to him and explained the problem. He was polite but shrugged and said he was just doing his job. My point is that he clearly had no instructions about the situation, which means that whatever the hotel, the Project Manager, and the team supervisors were doing, it has not made its way down to the workers. Perhaps the story the hotel gave you is correct and perhaps it is merely the predictable story that would be used to try to save a bit of face. Either way it represent a basic failure to anticipate a completely predictable problem. The most likely explanation is that they are up against a deadline and hoped to push their work as far as they could get away with. d/ ps. Then, of course, there's the matter of no hard-wire internet access last night, with the service reporting too many logings, and no wireless. (Normally wireless from my room is marginally, but sometimes it's just gone.) -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 10:23:47 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE4Fi-00022x-Po; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:23:42 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE4Fh-00022P-Ao for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:23:41 -0400 Received: from mail85.messagelabs.com ([216.82.240.99]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE4Fg-0005UJ-U4 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:23:41 -0400 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: jgunn6@csc.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-85.messagelabs.com!1185459819!42254635!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [20.137.52.151] Received: (qmail 8878 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2007 14:23:39 -0000 Received: from amer-mta07.csc.com (HELO amer-mta07.csc.com) (20.137.52.151) by server-2.tower-85.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 26 Jul 2007 14:23:39 -0000 Received: from amer-gw09.amer.csc.com (amer-gw09.amer.csc.com [20.6.39.245]) by amer-mta07.csc.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id l6QENrVV021261; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:23:53 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <46A8A60C.4080103@piuha.net> To: Jari Arkko Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Hotelnetwork slow ? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes 652HF83 November 04, 2004 From: Janet P Gunn Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:23:32 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on AMER-GW09/SRV/CSC(Release 7.0.2FP1 HF180|March 29, 2007) at 07/26/2007 10:22:18 AM, Serialize complete at 07/26/2007 10:22:18 AM X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bdc523f9a54890b8a30dd6fd53d5d024 Cc: Antoin Verschuren , 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1566711819==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1566711819== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 004F0EAD85257324_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004F0EAD85257324_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I got a message saying "There are too many users log on. Try again later." Janet Jari Arkko wrote on 07/26/2007 09:47:56 AM: > I noticed it too, but this morning it worked well again. > I assumed the issue was all of us returning from dinner > around the same time and checking on e-mail... > > Jari > > Antoin Verschuren kirjoitti: > > I'm getting 20% packetloss at the moment on the hotelnetwork. > > Anybody knows what's going on ? > > > > Antoin. > > > > ------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --=_alternative 004F0EAD85257324_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"


I got a message saying "There are too many users log on.  Try again later."

Janet

Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote on 07/26/2007 09:47:56 AM:

> I noticed it too, but this morning it worked well again.
> I assumed the issue was all of us returning from dinner
> around the same time and checking on e-mail...
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> Jari
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> Antoin Verschuren kirjoitti:
> > I'm getting 20% packetloss at the moment on the hotelnetwork.
> > Anybody knows what's going on ?
> >
> > Antoin.
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> > _______________________________________________
> > 69ATTENDEES mailing list
> > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org
> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees
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 --=_alternative 004F0EAD85257324_=-- --===============1566711819== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============1566711819==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 10:35:28 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE4R0-0003cI-8Y; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:35:22 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE4Qz-0003cC-AZ for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:35:21 -0400 Received: from coconut.itojun.org ([2001:240:501:0:204:23ff:fecb:8908]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE4Qy-0007Tc-Ta for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:35:21 -0400 Received: by coconut.itojun.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id D4247233C5; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:35:18 +0900 (JST) To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Hotelnetwork slow ? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:23:32 -0400" References: X-Mailer: Cue version 0.8 (070521-1856/itojun) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20070726143518.D4247233C5@coconut.itojun.org> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:35:18 +0900 (JST) From: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org > I got a message saying "There are too many users log on. Try again > later." we are behind NAT box which does not scale, what do you expect ;-) itojun _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 11:40:35 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE5S3-0005Sb-TJ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:40:31 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE5S3-0005SV-2w for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:40:31 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com ([72.14.204.233]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE5S1-0001Bv-U3 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:40:31 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id o21so238932qba for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:40:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id:sender; b=gXjLVeCqWuQPjgJgMETYvesbqwKDPGIKOlRlUq331EIvecKPKVna2dDmv0J7M+qnZJl2S4JHtW4HP7Ic+Rx1mNgOyfqnzk7jMLhNteU8F19SxG/ZXgPS+8NroUEYLwdrgY5TbBiIr9jvaIw479XScR5QxtAxaLBy08N7XhIA6oM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id:sender; b=KSUy3pn/ZaaCXaxm4oFEI2R6843hHb8X1gIDX+Djuylh4tyQ6EVpBrNzERXgDJH0/CEVOaYXoaCaBZdT65UP5KbOQJPskA6v7IpUramHKuNrbP0fcHgL/PISpAbQ42GMdWlHNYRvJBig+QWAq4JSDlwFZVtxG42sgc3iwVoczTU= Received: by 10.140.249.20 with SMTP id w20mr594969rvh.1185464429120; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?130.129.99.249? ( [130.129.99.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g39sm3545286rvb.2007.07.26.08.40.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:40:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Julien Laganier To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Meetings in other regions Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:40:23 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <20070725000445.c247af0e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: <20070725000445.c247af0e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707261740.24001.julien.IETF@laposte.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Wednesday 25 July 2007, Thierry Ernst wrote: > >As for Africa, ICANN had a very good venue in > > Marrakech. Might want to go back there.. > > I would vote for Marrakech (lovely place) but this > would mean that all IETFers would have a stamp on > their passport from a country that would make US > immigration more mistrusted. FWIW that's never been an issue for me. --julien _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 12:10:33 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE5v2-0007Kb-PU; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:10:28 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE5v2-0007KW-87 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:10:28 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE5v1-0000nu-RX for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:10:28 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Jul 2007 18:10:27 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAADpkqEaQ/uCKh2dsb2JhbACPaAEBAQgKJw X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,584,1175464800"; d="scan'208"; a="149098858:sNHT41843362" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6QGAQf0023028; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:10:26 +0200 Received: from xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-332.cisco.com [144.254.231.87]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6QGAQkt027638; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:10:26 GMT Received: from xmb-ams-33c.emea.cisco.com ([144.254.231.91]) by xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:10:26 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Renovation Noise Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:10:21 +0200 Message-ID: <70672088D7D2CE409FB05DDD7B73D381408871@xmb-ams-33c.emea.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <014901c7cf22$03ec3d40$4fa81cac@jys3105121962> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Renovation Noise Thread-Index: AcfPIhznhdvmIJbQSBetK6IgelnSpAAfVL8g From: "Gunter Van de Velde \(gvandeve\)" To: "Tina TSOU" , <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2007 16:10:26.0529 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A7FBD10:01C7CF9F] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=815; t=1185466226; x=1186330226; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=gvandeve@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Gunter=20Van=20de=20Velde=20\(gvandeve\)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[69ATTENDEES]=20Renovation=20Noise |Sender:=20; bh=vUDGJPnwDFxg1eCNaY0C0nuZ5zdUDc70gFJlSroSJtk=; b=cQJrcCeoOHTraUazEksK+psDFhXUijsX1PZxev0RxQRMbnUkYmgLoz0Os8+4wCNnlIHnT7XY CuWAtpk1g+C7uoAsZ3RndhuYxUCB1aqbiWxumvrgQjGmZ+uZmcQ17gSL; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=gvandeve@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org http://moenning.smugmug.com/gallery/3061843 G/=20 -----Original Message----- From: Tina TSOU [mailto:tena@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:12 PM To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Renovation Noise Hi all, I forgot the website address where we can download our picture with the skyline taken in the social event. The photographer gave us a piece of blue paper, where the web information is printed. If anyone have it, would you send it out? Thanks:) B. R. Tina Messengers: MSN: tinatsou6@hotmail.com Yahoo: tina_tsou Skype: tinaTSOU Jabber:=20 tina@jabber.org Google talk: tinatsou6@gmail.com=20 _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 14:08:11 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE7ku-0003CI-M7; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:08:08 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE7ks-0003Bw-3E for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:08:06 -0400 Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com ([135.245.0.33]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE7kr-0004KC-0h for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:08:05 -0400 Received: from ilexp02.ndc.lucent.com (h135-3-39-2.lucent.com [135.3.39.2]) by ihemail1.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id l6QI7kb4027310 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:08:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DEEXP02.DE.lucent.com ([135.248.187.66]) by ilexp02.ndc.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:07:50 -0500 Received: from DEEXC1U02.de.lucent.com ([135.248.187.30]) by DEEXP02.DE.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:07:46 +0200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:07:41 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46A50B85.2030208@acm.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Anyone else having trouble contacting the jabber server for our WGs and BOFs? Thread-Index: AcfNZcLFwlQsDPshRACXSe1Iiv4xMwCSf+VA References: <46A4FB22.4020407@kniveton.com><20070723192545.GG29612@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <46A50B85.2030208@acm.org> From: "Wijnen, Bert \(Bert\)" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2007 18:07:47.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEF51AA0:01C7CFAF] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.33 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 01485d64dfa90b45a74269b3ca9d5574 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Anyone else having trouble contacting the jabber server for our WGs and BOFs? X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I seem unable to connect right now Bert Wijnen =20 _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 14:52:43 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE8S0-0000Yn-UZ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:52:40 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE8Rz-0000WB-JR for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:52:39 -0400 Received: from vic20.blipp.com ([217.75.101.38]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE8Ry-0006L4-1C for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:52:39 -0400 Received: by vic20.blipp.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 27F21EF5B1; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:52:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:52:35 +0200 From: Patrik Wallstrom To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Anyone else having trouble contacting the jabber server for our WGs and BOFs? Message-ID: <20070726185235.GA12679@vic20.blipp.com> References: <46A50B85.2030208@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: Foodfight Stockholm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote: > I seem unable to connect right now I haven't been able to connect since yesterday afternoon. -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-733173956 _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 14:55:31 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE8Ul-0002bL-Ib; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:55:31 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE8Uj-0002Xt-QX for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:55:29 -0400 Received: from relay.cooperix.net ([192.139.46.41] helo=cod.sandelman.ca) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE8Ui-0006Nm-FS for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:55:29 -0400 Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (dhcp-1359.ietf69.org [130.129.19.89]) by cod.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521051843B for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:35:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from marajade.sandelman.ca (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317DC4E798 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:55:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Richardson To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Renovation Noise In-Reply-To: Message from Dave Crocker of "Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:08:48 CDT." <46A89CE0.9030105@bbiw.net> References: <46A7E4EE.20206@isoc.org> <46A89CE0.9030105@bbiw.net> X-Mailer: MH-E 7.82; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 19) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:55:27 -0500 Message-ID: <16230.1185476127@marajade.sandelman.ca> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Dave" == Dave Crocker writes: Dave> My point is that he clearly had no instructions about the situation, which Dave> means that whatever the hotel, the Project Manager, and the team supervisors Dave> were doing, it has not made its way down to the workers. It also means that the conference people were simply not in the loop about the construction schedule when they sold us the space. Did we get a very good rate on this space? If the per-nite room rate had been $100 instead of $182, I would complain less, and I also wouldn't care if the in-room network was useful or not. (Go see IPsec WG mailing list. The very busy NAT BEHAVE'd in a way that I hadn't seen before, but which turns out to be valid, and I had to fix my running code...) Dave> ps. Then, of course, there's the matter of no hard-wire internet access last Dave> night, with the service reporting too many logings, and no Dave> wireless. (Normally wireless from my room is marginally, but sometimes it's Dave> just gone.) We used to have no in-room network, and if you wanted some, you went down to the terminal room at 3am, and chatted with the other people who weren't asleep. That's what I did... because the above NAT problem kept me from getting to my remote end points to upgrade them so that I could work through the NAT. - -- ] Bear: "Me, I'm just the shape of a bear." | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xelerance.com http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQEVAwUBRqjuHYCLcPvd0N1lAQLOcQf/dul+CyNFqmd7n9dPsZZlRN+SxO6avSMC tq/zAQPKwmECox9q/ohnTu+Iyx14SDXXOaC102lGOkM8e+vGHkWVnEKH42JZIoc2 QGVjI8dc7lX8zkJOnuinZuq//2+Pf36bnvsvgpSNnSx4+aHSPg+aiK7WntBol8iO beCDMcvZeTsF9b7vifuhQd1EQ2Ndm8r7riQh2/Fhltl5QxuROyP+LUoBSvOmLqk7 Qe1F1ee5LznxXroMseRdIIciyxfPvDhBlqUhEPA3elZDqpwZ5AM7qpuSY86N0LUW uyotQTxCh9h1/7nzzL2ndgdBJoYGe9Qb+puMwwNBu10t1pOo/Ftt7A== =0Zkc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 15:33:22 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE95M-0006Fy-Tf; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:33:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE95K-0006DJ-Pn for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:33:18 -0400 Received: from [2001:418:1:0:230:48ff:fe83:725e] (helo=hiroshima.bogus.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE95J-0007F9-GS for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:33:18 -0400 Received: from hiroshima.bogus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hiroshima.bogus.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6QJXGZ1074100 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:33:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from llynch@civil-tongue.net) Received: from localhost (llynch@localhost) by hiroshima.bogus.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l6QJXGSS074097 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:33:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from llynch@civil-tongue.net) X-Authentication-Warning: hiroshima.bogus.com: llynch owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:33:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Lucy Lynch X-X-Sender: llynch@hiroshima.bogus.com To: 69attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20070726122522.H73719@hiroshima.bogus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] housekeeping note X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org All - http://www.civil-tongue.net/~llynch/blue-sheets.jpg First guess: idr and autoconf have merged! But no, this is why everyone needs to sign those ubiquious blue sheets. WG room assignments for this meeting are based on the attendance as recorded at the last meeting - if you want/need more room - sign the sheets! - Lucy _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 16:06:00 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE9aw-0003vl-W5; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:05:58 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE9aw-0003vg-AZ for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:05:58 -0400 Received: from ns1.neustar.com ([2001:503:c779:1a::9c9a:108a]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE9aw-00081e-0N for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:05:58 -0400 Received: from [156.154.4.126] (unknown [156.154.4.126]) by ns1.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922B326EC6 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:05:57 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <46A8FEA5.3050404@neustar.biz> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:05:57 -0700 From: Jeff Hodges User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Social References: <46A76E1E.7070307@uninett.no> In-Reply-To: <46A76E1E.7070307@uninett.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 i haven't done socials for years as gen rule, i did this one cuz of the venue & there b music. turns out Big Fun is the drummer's (Bill Archer) band (i chatted briefly with him after show and he said "all I do is music, no day job, get to do what i love..."): http://carmelme.com/billarcher/ http://carmelme.com/bigfun/ =JeffH _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 18:39:11 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEBz7-0006JF-St; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:39:05 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEBz6-0006G4-Qg for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:39:04 -0400 Received: from numenor.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEBz6-0001Tm-Er for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:39:04 -0400 Received: from totoro.qualcomm.com (totoro.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.158]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l6QMd24f003155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:39:03 -0700 Received: from [[130.129.85.220]] (vpn-10-50-16-124.qualcomm.com [10.50.16.124]) by totoro.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l6QMd0gZ019534 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <16230.1185476127@marajade.sandelman.ca> References: <46A7E4EE.20206@isoc.org> <46A89CE0.9030105@bbiw.net> <16230.1185476127@marajade.sandelman.ca> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X X-message-flag: Warning: Outlook in use. Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:34:57 -0700 To: 69attendees@ietf.org From: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Renovation Noise Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org At 1:55 PM -0500 7/26/07, Michael Richardson wrote: > The very busy NAT I checked the box for "public IP address" when I got in-room access. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when he is called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason. --Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 19:40:36 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IECwa-0003UF-Ul; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:40:32 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IECwY-0003Tb-M1 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:40:30 -0400 Received: from owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.68.129]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IECwY-0002gB-54 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:40:30 -0400 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6QNeKgh018790 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:40:20 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.189]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6QNdEXd021374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:39:14 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l6QNdEaI031130 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:39:14 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l6QNdEtI031129 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:39:14 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:39:14 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Renovation Noise Message-ID: <20070726233914.GB31085@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <46A7E4EE.20206@isoc.org> <46A89CE0.9030105@bbiw.net> <16230.1185476127@marajade.sandelman.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Null-Tag: 13d4390d77bd1b59c9291e2392baa93d X-Null-Tag: 6911ede1809281e4cfd1f3ef43002881 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 03:34:57PM -0700, Randall Gellens wrote: > At 1:55 PM -0500 7/26/07, Michael Richardson wrote: > > > The very busy NAT > > I checked the box for "public IP address" when I got in-room access. Ah, so it's you that's got it! "You are #213 in line for a public IP address. Please hold." -- Tim _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 19:57:18 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEDCm-00046i-Iv; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:57:16 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEDCl-00046b-DK for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:57:15 -0400 Received: from ns0.neustar.com ([156.154.16.158]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEDCl-0003tq-8Z for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:57:15 -0400 Received: from [156.154.4.164] (unknown [156.154.4.164]) by ns0.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DA5328F6 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:57:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:57:14 -0700 From: Jeff Hodges User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6d62ab47271805379d7172ee693a45db Subject: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org who was it that brought the hand drums this eve (yes, i shud know yer name, sorry)? thx, =Jeff _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 20:07:28 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEDMd-0002EY-Mt; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:07:27 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEDMc-0002ET-G5 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:07:26 -0400 Received: from rommie.caida.org ([192.172.226.78] helo=caida.org) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEDMc-0003OS-7C for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:07:26 -0400 Received: by caida.org (Postfix, from userid 2222) id 3EB33BD8B; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:07:22 -0700 From: Sebastian Castro To: 69attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20070727000722.GA67044@rommie.caida.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Subject: [69ATTENDEES] [OT] Compact Flash card reader needed X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sorry for the Off Topic, My memory cards are almost full with pictures and i left my CF card reader at home. Any of the attendants has a CF card reader I could use for some minutes to empty one card? Thanks in advance Sebastian _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 20:26:10 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEDeh-0006Gl-Nr; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:26:07 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEDeg-0006Ga-Gg for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:26:06 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEDeg-0003k3-6e for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:26:06 -0400 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Jul 2007 20:26:06 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAP/XqEZAZnme/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,585,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="66289464:sNHT25056328" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6R0Q57C017283 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:26:05 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6R0Q5WI028739 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:26:05 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:26:05 -0400 Received: from [10.86.242.63] ([10.86.242.63]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:26:05 -0400 Message-ID: <46A93BA7.1070908@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:26:15 -0400 From: Jonathan Rosenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2007 00:26:05.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[B827AED0:01C7CFE4] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=827; t=1185495965; x=1186359965; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jdrosen@cisco.com; z=From:=20Jonathan=20Rosenberg=20 |Subject:=20Sandwiches=20on=20Tuesday=20outside=20of=20Red=20Lacquer=20-= 20please=20pay=20if=20you=0A=20took |Sender:=20 |To:=2069attendees@ietf.org; bh=Ck4LAn4HWFBOfugIwWnNFgWaS+XSvcF445GwIbA+PXI=; b=C91ueZlqCBFPk/E3u8VfGw3kwWrwK1FHLW3hHJlhUPTufDmQ+0M5lh+l9IF38oWmEDfyQoY5 DXonibR9IFgAaMQ+Mz0gBwvcexKtzvItc2j2JU6GvV5R0LiWrYZMfj/C; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=jdrosen@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Sandwiches on Tuesday outside of Red Lacquer - please pay if you took X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I ran an ICE tutorial session during Tuesday lunch, outside of Red Lacquer. Sandwiches were provided for lunch from room service. This cost me $20/head, and people participating were asked to reimburse me for it. Though all of the food was taken, I am several hundred dollars short. So, I suspect there were folks that wandered in from the hall, took sandwiches, and wandered out, not realizing that they needed to pay. If you were one such person, please contact me. Thanks, Jonathan R. -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D. 600 Lanidex Plaza Cisco Fellow Parsippany, NJ 07054-2711 Cisco Systems jdrosen@cisco.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.cisco.com _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 22:49:07 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEFt0-00075m-AN; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:49:02 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEFsz-00075D-Nn for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:49:01 -0400 Received: from relay.cooperix.net ([192.139.46.41] helo=cod.sandelman.ca) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEFsv-00071n-9f for 69attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:48:57 -0400 Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (unknown [67.97.210.2]) by cod.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100AD1843C; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from marajade.sandelman.ca (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D2A4E798; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:48:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Renovation Noise In-Reply-To: Message from Randall Gellens of "Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:34:57 PDT." 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Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Jeff Hodges wrote: > who was it that brought the hand drums this eve (yes, i shud know yer name, > sorry)? > > thx, > > =Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 27 07:14:03 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IENlZ-00068y-Ua; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:13:53 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IENlY-00068t-TO for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:13:52 -0400 Received: from hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net ([216.37.94.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IENlY-0001ZM-0l for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:13:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 7960 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jul 2007 11:06:10 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 7437, pid: 7884, t: 2.6088s scanners: clamav: 0.90.2/m: spam: 3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.2 required=6.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_99, STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from unknown (HELO s73602) (s73602@67.97.210.2) by hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net with ESMTPA; 27 Jul 2007 11:06:08 -0000 Message-ID: <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 06:10:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Jeff, > On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Jeff Hodges wrote: > >> who was it that brought the hand drums this eve (yes, i shud know yer >> name, >> sorry)? > > Jeff, > > That would be Spencer Dawkins and we all just sort of join in... > > Ole And thanks to others who joined in, at this and previous IETFs. This was the first IETF where we had attendee kids joining us - Mary Barnes' youngest, on Monday night, IIRC. I look forward to having Darwin join us. And please note that there is no audition required - we have enough to share... This tradition started at IETF 41 in LA. I had attended JavaOne the previous week in San Francisco, and had purchased a doumbek that I happened to be carrying when I met Aaron Falk - Aaron is also a drummer, so while we were co=chairing PILC, we started every working group meeting with a short drumming break. Although we were also drumming at plenaries, we stopped this practice as a courtesy during the ADMIN-REST period, because everyone who had been participating in ADMIN-REST discussions seemed to arrive at the plenary with a severe headache. My favorite memories, and there have been a bunch of them, were (1) drumming at the park outside the hotel in Oslo at about 1 AM (in late July, it was still "day"-light) and the only reason we stopped at 1 AM was because it started to rain, (2) drumming at the park outside the hotel in Washington, DC (Aaron had driven his family down, so was able to bring a large djembe in the car), (3) drumming at the entertainment park during the social in Orlando - I still had my doumbek cover then, and someone left a dollar bill on it while we were playing. That's the entire salary I've collected as a drummer after turning 18, and Aaron and I tore it in half - I still have my half. (4) getting stopped in airport security in Yokohama (aluminum doumbeks look quite "interesting" when you x-ray the bag they are in - I was best able to explain to the nice Japanese security types by just playing the drums, standing in the checkpoint area). I've mostly moved to small frame drums for IETFs, because they are so easy to pack. At this IETF, I had four frame drums (three nested), one tambourine, one Pandeiro (looks like a tambourine, but the jingles are "choked", so they don't have the same bright tinkling sound), and a brass doumbek - and could carry all of them in one hand. So - a couple of things "in advance" - (1) I'd like to invite people to bring small hand drums to Vancouver - see you there, and (2) I'd like to apologize to my current co-chair, Eric Burger, who was not warned about my drumming past during discussions with Jon about adding me as co-chair. Thanks, Spencer _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 27 07:26:21 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IENxb-0006dN-Dc; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:26:19 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IENxa-0006Z4-A9 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:26:18 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com ([171.71.176.117]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IENxZ-0001ln-NI for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:26:18 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 Jul 2007 04:26:17 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAGNzqUarR7MV/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,588,1175497200"; d="scan'208"; a="189662250:sNHT27658080" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6RBQGSQ029351; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 04:26:16 -0700 Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.177.199]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6RBQGSc005040; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:26:16 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 04:25:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Spencer Dawkins Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? In-Reply-To: <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> Message-ID: References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3627; t=1185535576; x=1186399576; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1004; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; z=From:=20Ole=20Jacobsen=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[69ATTENDEES]=20hand=20drums? |Sender:=20; bh=qBzvllbYSaPDWc8EPtN+JUmdoh/GsX7Loqpax3lR+Cg=; b=L8X98HIEjrUav/hgkvu0U5gX1QB+2co4zsE49QxEIG2RN+xTypAQkC+hBfnU5R3Xrak6gOyK CEL4KIhYAImwNRbZhylaj+t7oWZtMizs6avfdwuB4jZH3AGAIWdWy5zmPo21NxRC2HRSsDjpdH aYAcv19WVtDqgdiax7lii+Egw=; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=ole@cisco.com; dkim=pass (sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5011df3e2a27abcc044eaa15befcaa87 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org, Tom Vest X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org One of these days, the planets will align and our ad-hoc APRICOT band, "The Packet Droppers," will join Spencer and co for a pre-plenary concert. Until then, you'll have to make do with some pictures: http://www.yikes.com/~ole/PD-Bali/index.html Or maybe we should just combine IETF and APRICOT :-) :-) Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > Hi, Jeff, > > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Jeff Hodges wrote: > > > > > who was it that brought the hand drums this eve (yes, i shud know yer > > > name, > > > sorry)? > > > > Jeff, > > > > That would be Spencer Dawkins and we all just sort of join in... > > > > Ole > > And thanks to others who joined in, at this and previous IETFs. This was the > first IETF where we had attendee kids joining us - Mary Barnes' youngest, on > Monday night, IIRC. I look forward to having Darwin join us. > > And please note that there is no audition required - we have enough to > share... > > This tradition started at IETF 41 in LA. I had attended JavaOne the previous > week in San Francisco, and had purchased a doumbek that I happened to be > carrying when I met Aaron Falk - Aaron is also a drummer, so while we were > co=chairing PILC, we started every working group meeting with a short drumming > break. > > Although we were also drumming at plenaries, we stopped this practice as a > courtesy during the ADMIN-REST period, because everyone who had been > participating in ADMIN-REST discussions seemed to arrive at the plenary with a > severe headache. > > My favorite memories, and there have been a bunch of them, were > > (1) drumming at the park outside the hotel in Oslo at about 1 AM (in late > July, it was still "day"-light) and the only reason we stopped at 1 AM was > because it started to rain, > > (2) drumming at the park outside the hotel in Washington, DC (Aaron had driven > his family down, so was able to bring a large djembe in the car), > > (3) drumming at the entertainment park during the social in Orlando - I still > had my doumbek cover then, and someone left a dollar bill on it while we were > playing. That's the entire salary I've collected as a drummer after turning > 18, and Aaron and I tore it in half - I still have my half. > > (4) getting stopped in airport security in Yokohama (aluminum doumbeks look > quite "interesting" when you x-ray the bag they are in - I was best able to > explain to the nice Japanese security types by just playing the drums, > standing in the checkpoint area). > > I've mostly moved to small frame drums for IETFs, because they are so easy to > pack. At this IETF, I had four frame drums (three nested), one tambourine, one > Pandeiro (looks like a tambourine, but the jingles are "choked", so they don't > have the same bright tinkling sound), and a brass doumbek - and could carry > all of them in one hand. > > So - a couple of things "in advance" - > > (1) I'd like to invite people to bring small hand drums to Vancouver - see you > there, and > > (2) I'd like to apologize to my current co-chair, Eric Burger, who was not > warned about my drumming past during discussions with Jon about adding me as > co-chair. > > Thanks, > > Spencer > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 27 09:53:24 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEQFt-0000DY-9O; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:53:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEQFs-0000DT-HY for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:53:20 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEQFr-0004gB-4W for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:53:20 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u2so2182006uge for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 06:53:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=le+/LEw/YTqO3lEERqOY6LD1rloWihPHkacI0q9kFBEeAEw/cQL1QyTcF5f0bmgknbd3N737ilS5SHRQ4LrUPe0drnzfz6jL3c0q50+LLKP0zq9s6eyZknqmr5TD3vTYWfqChx/x4NV9y4iPkoZVPf1aucSBwTd5xg+Su+bq2mY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=mHdbY3HV7dmwYyKNiFWOG6jDFgLQhiebdy6yi1jVNqNRdkTX8y/xZYvoEpUXEP6PQZOFSnLt+MqElr42j/Ch3nbmTVnJ7a49uUtLqv9pGTYceQjEYJFSEf6wSQO5Oy6ywBUCFDXMFRwCu1LncYIt1llVrjTLMr54LgdqcLFNvz0= Received: by 10.66.220.12 with SMTP id s12mr2965763ugg.1185544398079; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 06:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.238.6 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 06:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88ac5c710707270653r290679a6j140c1b5deb5ade48@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:53:17 -0500 From: "Richard Barnes" To: 69attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d2b46e3b2dfbff2088e0b72a54104985 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] IETF in the local news X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org This article was in the local paper this morning. Saw it in hard copy on the IETF message board, but here's an electronic version. Copied from: --Richard www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/premium/printedition/Friday/chi-fri_netheadsjul27,0,2758439.story chicagotribune.com Their mission: A better Internet A loose-knit group of 'netheads' gathers in Chicago to tackle some of the problems vexing the Web By Jon Van Tribune staff reporter July 27, 2007 Click here to find out more! The guys who decide how the Internet should work (a few are women) want you to know they don't run the Internet. Nobody does. Despite its tremendous influence on Web technology, the Internet Engineering Task Force goes to great lengths to be loosey-goosey, almost hippylike. It is a purely voluntary group with no dues, no board of directors and no headquarters. "Our mission is to make the Internet work better," said Russell Housley of Herndon, Va., one of some 1,200 engineers from the U.S. and 40 other countries who gathered in Chicago this week to swap ideas. Earlier this year they met in Prague, Czech Republic, and later they will meet in Vancouver. The engineers make suggestions in the form of technical language protocols with arcane acronyms like TCP and DKIM, and they have developed a system for reviewing, approving and publishing standards. But they have no power to enforce anything. Ordinary people who use the Web would have no idea what these engineers talk about -- or that they even exist. But it was not difficult to spot the "netheads" as they gathered in meeting rooms at Chicago's Palmer House Hilton or sat in the hotel's coffee shops and eateries. Nearly every one is tapping away on a laptop computer as he talks, eats or listens to others. "Nothing beats two guys sitting in a bar drawing on a cocktail napkin over a beer," said Housley. One project the engineers have worked on is aimed at decreasing phony e-mail messages asking you to provide your bank, PayPal or some other legitimate-sounding outfit with personal financial information. This form of spam, known as phishing, seeks to trick unsuspecting people by appearing to come from their bank or other place where they do business. A new task force standard attaches a signature to real communications from an actual business, enabling computer servers to identify and discard the phonies. "If a server gets 70 e-mails from PayPal and only five have the real signature, then only five go through and the other 65 don't," said Barry Leiba, who has worked with other engineers for about 30 months on the new standard. "Some companies are starting to adopt the standard, and we hope that within a year people will see fewer phishing spams," said Leiba. "The consumer doesn't have to do anything. Users don't understand the details and don't have answers. We don't want to involve them in this." Leiba's day job is working as a senior technical staff member for Internet messaging with IBM Research. Like most of the engineers who work on Internet standards he does so with his company's blessing. "I'm not here representing IBM," he said. "We are looking for what will improve the Internet, not what promotes our company's interest. Our companies all have a general interest in seeing the Internet work better." While most of the volunteers are engineers, anyone can attend a meeting of the task force, listen to what is said and make suggestions, and while they need not be professional engineers, they do have to have a deep understanding of technical issues and language. "No one is going to ask to see your diploma," said Olaf Kolkman, chief of NLnet Labs in Amsterdam. "Anyone can participate." Kolkman said some people he has never met have made comments and suggestions online that have been incorporated into standards. Some engineers who attend the meetings have no affiliation with any company. A few made big bucks during the dot-com boom, retired early and participate in the task force as a hobby, said Housley. The engineers discuss suggestions and reach what they call a "rough consensus and running code," meaning that most go along with a solution that works. All the work is published online as engineers make comments and revisions. Tasks on their plate include revising standards so that equipment exploring Mars can send photos back to the Internet for researchers to see immediately. Problem is, computers are used to things happening in seconds or milliseconds and it takes about four minutes for a bit to travel from here to Mars, so adjustments are in order. There's also a push to improve Internet telephony so that calls aren't dropped because computers lose track of the identity of the machines they are communicating with. The group, started with a meeting of 21 people in 1986, strives for a type of anarchy that mirrors the Internet itself but does rely on a certain amount of organized support. The Internet Society, a not-for-profit organization based in Reston, Va., provides logistical support for task force gatherings and recruits sponsors. Cell phone-maker Motorola Inc. picked up much of the tab for the Chicago meeting, and AT&T Inc. donated high-speed lines to bolster the Palmer House Hilton's communications systems. Bringing 1,200 Internet-obsessed engineers into a hotel for a week creates a communications demand that would cause an ordinary system to crash in an hour or two, said Steven Schroedl, founder of Verilan Networks in Portland, Ore., who brought a crew of five and literally a ton of equipment to beef up the hotel's wireless Internet. They added switches to a dozen electrical closets in the hotel and installed 30 access points for wireless Internet. "If you brought this group into a hotel without doing this," said Schroedl, "it would be a disaster. At this meeting, it doesn't matter how nice the venue or whether the food is good. It could be Paris or Prague, but if they can't get on the network, all they'll ever remember is how bad it was." - - - Five Internet priorities *Stop phishing spam *Improve communication with Mars probes *Improve telephony *Optimize video transmission *Adjust technology to allow basic functions (like e-mail) in Africa, South America _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 27 11:04:00 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IERM9-0001qi-B1; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:03:53 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IERM8-0001qd-K7 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:03:52 -0400 Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IERM7-0006Il-6M for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:03:52 -0400 Received: from totoro.qualcomm.com (totoro.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.158]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l6RF3nq2014705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:03:49 -0700 Received: from [[172.28.170.144]] (vpn-10-50-16-118.qualcomm.com [10.50.16.118]) by totoro.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l6RF3kn3018248; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6416.1185504535@marajade.sandelman.ca> References: <46A7E4EE.20206@isoc.org> <46A89CE0.9030105@bbiw.net> <16230.1185476127@marajade.sandelman.ca> <6416.1185504535@marajade.sandelman.ca> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X X-message-flag: Warning: Outlook in use. 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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:06:25 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707271106.25882.michael_graff@isc.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Friday 27 July 2007 06:10:27 Spencer Dawkins wrote: > (4) getting stopped in airport security in Yokohama (aluminum doumbeks look > quite "interesting" when you x-ray the bag they are in - I was best able to > explain to the nice Japanese security types by just playing the drums, > standing in the checkpoint area). I have a cast aluminum dumbek (same drum, different spelling) which I take to Pennsic (http://www.pennsicwar.org/) every year, for the large SCA (http://www.sca.org/) event there. Once, when flying back, they were trying some sort of AI out at the Pittsburgh airport machines, and apparently I triggered some unexpected results. I had used all available space in packing up, and filled the drum with dirty clothes, since they certainly won't hurt the drum. It turns out when filled the X-Ray AI decided I had a nuclear warhead. Without it, it was "unknown object." Clearly, since I was carrying it, it wasn't what the AI thought, so it was funny, not scarry. --Michael _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 27 12:10:37 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IESOg-0006gf-37; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:10:34 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IESOe-0006gY-Gd for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:10:32 -0400 Received: from usaga01-in.huawei.com ([206.16.17.211]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IESOe-0008FI-5e for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:10:32 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (usaga01-in [172.18.4.6]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JLU008EKI9IZO@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s73602 (dhcp-16f7.ietf69.org [130.129.22.247]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JLU008OPI9GWN@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:07:17 -0500 From: Spencer Dawkins Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? To: 69attendees@ietf.org Message-id: <1ebc01c7d068$34956290$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> <200707271106.25882.michael_graff@isc.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Apparently the ruleset to detect "dirty bombs" still needs a little tuning, perhaps? Spencer > On Friday 27 July 2007 06:10:27 Spencer Dawkins wrote: >> (4) getting stopped in airport security in Yokohama (aluminum doumbeks >> look >> quite "interesting" when you x-ray the bag they are in - I was best able >> to >> explain to the nice Japanese security types by just playing the drums, >> standing in the checkpoint area). > > I have a cast aluminum dumbek (same drum, different spelling) which I take > to > Pennsic (http://www.pennsicwar.org/) every year, for the large SCA > (http://www.sca.org/) event there. Once, when flying back, they were > trying > some sort of AI out at the Pittsburgh airport machines, and apparently I > triggered some unexpected results. > > I had used all available space in packing up, and filled the drum with > dirty > clothes, since they certainly won't hurt the drum. It turns out when > filled > the X-Ray AI decided I had a nuclear warhead. Without it, it was "unknown > object." Clearly, since I was carrying it, it wasn't what the AI thought, > so > it was funny, not scarry. > > --Michael > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 27 12:15:22 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IESTI-0002ff-Jx; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:15:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IESTH-0002fQ-ET for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:15:19 -0400 Received: from smtp131.sat.emailsrvr.com ([66.216.121.131]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IESTG-00085o-2D for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:15:19 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by relay3.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id 5D6161B4B8D; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46AA1BD8.5090407@isoc.org> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:22:48 -0400 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spencer Dawkins Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> <200707271106.25882.michael_graff@isc.org> <1ebc01c7d068$34956290$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <1ebc01c7d068$34956290$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Any chance of adding a guitar and a keyboard? Ray Spencer Dawkins wrote: > Apparently the ruleset to detect "dirty bombs" still needs a little > tuning, perhaps? > > Spencer > > >> On Friday 27 July 2007 06:10:27 Spencer Dawkins wrote: >> >>> (4) getting stopped in airport security in Yokohama (aluminum >>> doumbeks look >>> quite "interesting" when you x-ray the bag they are in - I was best >>> able to >>> explain to the nice Japanese security types by just playing the drums, >>> standing in the checkpoint area). >> >> >> I have a cast aluminum dumbek (same drum, different spelling) which I >> take to >> Pennsic (http://www.pennsicwar.org/) every year, for the large SCA >> (http://www.sca.org/) event there. Once, when flying back, they were >> trying >> some sort of AI out at the Pittsburgh airport machines, and apparently I >> triggered some unexpected results. >> >> I had used all available space in packing up, and filled the drum >> with dirty >> clothes, since they certainly won't hurt the drum. It turns out when >> filled >> the X-Ray AI decided I had a nuclear warhead. Without it, it was >> "unknown >> object." Clearly, since I was carrying it, it wasn't what the AI >> thought, so >> it was funny, not scarry. >> >> --Michael >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 27 12:26:50 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IESeM-0003SD-6F; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:26:46 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IESeL-0003Ry-1S for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:26:45 -0400 Received: from white.flame.org ([204.152.186.144]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IESeJ-0008LQ-9P for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:26:44 -0400 Received: from white.flame.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.flame.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB18B327A74; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-17a8.ietf69.org (dhcp-17a8.ietf69.org [130.129.23.168]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by white.flame.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4601B327A72; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:26:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Graff To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:26:42 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> <200707271106.25882.michael_graff@isc.org> <1ebc01c7d068$34956290$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <1ebc01c7d068$34956290$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707271126.42247.michael_graff@isc.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Friday 27 July 2007 11:07:17 Spencer Dawkins wrote: > Apparently the ruleset to detect "dirty bombs" still needs a little tunin= g, > perhaps? =46rom what the talkative pre-TSA worker told me, the machines were used to= scan=20 incoming items for various military bases (well, that was the AI's purpose)= =20 and they got the machines from storage. Among other things that it had=20 detected shampoo/conditioner sets (it didn't expect to see two slightly=20 different bottles) and any coiled wires (which it would call "springs.") The first, and last, TSA agent I've actually enjoyed talking with. =2D-Michael _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 27 12:38:57 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IESq6-0003ga-J7; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:38:54 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IESq4-0003gV-9x for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:38:52 -0400 Received: from mailgate-internal1.sri.com ([128.18.84.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IESq3-0000Cz-KP for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:38:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (HELO mailgate-internal1.SRI.COM) (127.0.0.1) by mailgate-internal1.sri.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2007 16:38:50 -0000 Received: from srimail1.sri.com ([128.18.30.11]) by mailgate-internal1.SRI.COM (SMSSMTP 4.1.11.41) with SMTP id M2007072709385003516 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:38:50 -0700 Received: from [130.129.84.101] by mail.sri.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JLU00M7NJKP93ET@mail.sri.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:38:50 -0500 From: Ed Jankiewicz Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? In-reply-to: <46AA1BD8.5090407@isoc.org> To: Ray Pelletier Message-id: <46AA1F9A.8010101@sri.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> <200707271106.25882.michael_graff@isc.org> <1ebc01c7d068$34956290$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> <46AA1BD8.5090407@isoc.org> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d8ae4fd88fcaf47c1a71c804d04f413d Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org given the vagaries of getting instruments hand-carried on airplane cabins, I hesitate to pack any more than a travel guitar or a uke. small but quiet. But if I know there would be some interest in jamming, I might take a chance and bring my well-traveled and nearly indestructible mostly plastic Ovation... For Vancouver and future meetings, might I suggest that anyone who feels up to packing/carrying an instrument do so, and we will look for opportunities for ad hoc musical aggregations? Ray Pelletier wrote: > Any chance of adding a guitar and a keyboard? > Ray > > Spencer Dawkins wrote: > >> Apparently the ruleset to detect "dirty bombs" still needs a little >> tuning, perhaps? >> >> Spencer >> >> >>> On Friday 27 July 2007 06:10:27 Spencer Dawkins wrote: >>> >>>> (4) getting stopped in airport security in Yokohama (aluminum >>>> doumbeks look >>>> quite "interesting" when you x-ray the bag they are in - I was best >>>> able to >>>> explain to the nice Japanese security types by just playing the drums, >>>> standing in the checkpoint area). >>> >>> >>> I have a cast aluminum dumbek (same drum, different spelling) which >>> I take to >>> Pennsic (http://www.pennsicwar.org/) every year, for the large SCA >>> (http://www.sca.org/) event there. Once, when flying back, they >>> were trying >>> some sort of AI out at the Pittsburgh airport machines, and >>> apparently I >>> triggered some unexpected results. >>> >>> I had used all available space in packing up, and filled the drum >>> with dirty >>> clothes, since they certainly won't hurt the drum. It turns out >>> when filled >>> the X-Ray AI decided I had a nuclear warhead. Without it, it was >>> "unknown >>> object." Clearly, since I was carrying it, it wasn't what the AI >>> thought, so >>> it was funny, not scarry. >>> >>> --Michael >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees -- Ed Jankiewicz - SRI International Fort Monmouth Branch Office - IPv6 Research Supporting DISA Standards Engineering Branch 732-389-1003 or ed.jankiewicz@sri.com _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 27 12:42:41 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEStl-00081a-1r; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:42:41 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEStj-00081V-SP for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:42:39 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEStj-0000dR-HM for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:42:39 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 Jul 2007 18:42:38 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAPq8qUaQ/uCLZmdsb2JhbACPaQsKJA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,589,1175464800"; d="scan'208"; a="149200493:sNHT27269760" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6RGgcAN021952 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:42:38 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6RGgckt019936 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:42:38 GMT Received: from [10.21.127.227] (sjc-vpn6-2019.cisco.com [10.21.127.227]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16118 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:42:37 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46AA2084.8000008@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:42:44 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070509 SeaMonkey/1.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=297; t=1185554558; x=1186418558; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20food |Sender:=20; bh=0rKLm2pEmJ9C80At2Q+DgbS31J4NsyhjTiZEGh/A508=; b=SrWOn1qSAbogel15B1uq72ZlD3DixvftWs+j81qhXLSUd2LDRcip3+a6jMkqFD56TzmSu6Xr RR13/SkWoLh4H3d2XIKkPeFCLgTfB6GFBz5x7EuJUDVUvXObSfx3lGJM; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] food X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Nobody seems to have mentioned the breakfast and break arrangements, so I for one wanted to say that I found the quality, selection and layout were great. And I liked how the big tables made it much easier to sit down and talk. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 27 13:24:10 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IETXo-00011f-0L; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:24:04 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IETXn-00011a-2X for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:24:03 -0400 Received: from dog.tcb.net ([64.78.150.133]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IETXm-0001hL-Qc for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:24:02 -0400 Received: by dog.tcb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 033372680BA; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.2.0.25] (65.42.208.133 [65.42.208.133]) (authenticated-user smtp) (TLSv1/SSLv3 AES128-SHA 128/128) by dog.tcb.net with SMTP; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:24:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from danny@tcb.net) X-Avenger: version=0.7.8; receiver=dog.tcb.net; client-ip=65.42.208.133; client-port=65054; syn-fingerprint=65535:53:1:64:M1460,N,W0,N,N,T,S MacOS 10.4.8; data-bytes=0 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1B716C85-8898-4B79-8545-5D8101283956@tcb.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Danny McPherson Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Hotelnetwork slow ? Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:23:58 -0600 To: Antoin Verschuren X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 25, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Antoin Verschuren wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > I'm getting 20% packetloss at the moment on the hotelnetwork. > Anybody knows what's going on ? 20%? Performance is improving considerably ;-) -danny _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 27 13:41:55 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEToz-0008JS-PN; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:41:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEToy-0008JG-P4 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:41:48 -0400 Received: from keys.pgpeng.com ([63.251.255.74]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEToy-0001jZ-Ab for 69attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:41:48 -0400 Received: from keys.pgpeng.com (keys.pgpeng.com [127.0.0.1]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal) with ESMTP id 7F0EA3B5365; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pgpeng.com ([63.251.255.75]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:41:47 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:41:47 -0700 Received: from [63.251.255.74] (account derek HELO keys.pgpeng.com) by pgpeng.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPSA id 1928127; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:41:47 -0700 Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org ([75.22.22.164]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:41:47 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:41:47 -0700 Message-ID: <46AA2E56.2020103@pgp.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:41:42 -0400 From: Derek Atkins User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Aitken Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] food References: <46AA2084.8000008@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46AA2084.8000008@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Paul Aitken wrote: > Nobody seems to have mentioned the breakfast and break arrangements, so > I for one wanted to say that I found the quality, selection and layout > were great. Except for the lack of Orange Juice. I couldn't find any OJ any morning. I could find apple juice, cranberry juice cocktails, fruit punch, water, soda, but no OJ. > And I liked how the big tables made it much easier to sit down and talk. -derek -- Derek Atkins Principal Software Engineer PGP Corporation 4 Farragut Ave Somerville, MA 02144 +1 617 623 3745 | warlord@pgp.com PGP Corporation -- Rest Secured.(TM) PGP Fingerprint: 0FEE 5EA1 FF22 E0C9 4FFE 631A 9232 FF93 1C80 1DB7 This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto) by others is strictly prohibited. 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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:53:14 -0400 To: Ole Jacobsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: himself@maxhyperbole.com, randombaselesslitigation@nonorthogonal.net, register@maxhyperbole.com, tvest@eyeconomics.com, tvest@thewealthofnetworks.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.businessontheweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - eyeconomics.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6640e3bbe8a4d70c4469bcdcbbf0921d Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Would these be acceptable for Vancouver? (part of the Packet Droppers Road Rig) http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx? ObjectId=890&ParentId=60 Tom On Jul 27, 2007, at 7:25 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > > One of these days, the planets will align and our ad-hoc APRICOT band, > "The Packet Droppers," will join Spencer and co for a pre-plenary > concert. Until then, you'll have to make do with some pictures: > > http://www.yikes.com/~ole/PD-Bali/index.html > > Or maybe we should just combine IETF and APRICOT :-) :-) > > Ole > > > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > > > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > >> Hi, Jeff, >> >>> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Jeff Hodges wrote: >>> >>>> who was it that brought the hand drums this eve (yes, i shud >>>> know yer >>>> name, >>>> sorry)? >>> >>> Jeff, >>> >>> That would be Spencer Dawkins and we all just sort of join in... >>> >>> Ole >> >> And thanks to others who joined in, at this and previous IETFs. >> This was the >> first IETF where we had attendee kids joining us - Mary Barnes' >> youngest, on >> Monday night, IIRC. I look forward to having Darwin join us. >> >> And please note that there is no audition required - we have >> enough to >> share... >> >> This tradition started at IETF 41 in LA. I had attended JavaOne >> the previous >> week in San Francisco, and had purchased a doumbek that I happened >> to be >> carrying when I met Aaron Falk - Aaron is also a drummer, so while >> we were >> co=chairing PILC, we started every working group meeting with a >> short drumming >> break. >> >> Although we were also drumming at plenaries, we stopped this >> practice as a >> courtesy during the ADMIN-REST period, because everyone who had been >> participating in ADMIN-REST discussions seemed to arrive at the >> plenary with a >> severe headache. >> >> My favorite memories, and there have been a bunch of them, were >> >> (1) drumming at the park outside the hotel in Oslo at about 1 AM >> (in late >> July, it was still "day"-light) and the only reason we stopped at >> 1 AM was >> because it started to rain, >> >> (2) drumming at the park outside the hotel in Washington, DC >> (Aaron had driven >> his family down, so was able to bring a large djembe in the car), >> >> (3) drumming at the entertainment park during the social in >> Orlando - I still >> had my doumbek cover then, and someone left a dollar bill on it >> while we were >> playing. That's the entire salary I've collected as a drummer >> after turning >> 18, and Aaron and I tore it in half - I still have my half. >> >> (4) getting stopped in airport security in Yokohama (aluminum >> doumbeks look >> quite "interesting" when you x-ray the bag they are in - I was >> best able to >> explain to the nice Japanese security types by just playing the >> drums, >> standing in the checkpoint area). >> >> I've mostly moved to small frame drums for IETFs, because they are >> so easy to >> pack. At this IETF, I had four frame drums (three nested), one >> tambourine, one >> Pandeiro (looks like a tambourine, but the jingles are "choked", >> so they don't >> have the same bright tinkling sound), and a brass doumbek - and >> could carry >> all of them in one hand. >> >> So - a couple of things "in advance" - >> >> (1) I'd like to invite people to bring small hand drums to >> Vancouver - see you >> there, and >> >> (2) I'd like to apologize to my current co-chair, Eric Burger, who >> was not >> warned about my drumming past during discussions with Jon about >> adding me as >> co-chair. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Spencer >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >> >> _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 28 08:57:37 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IElrG-00051e-Vq; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:57:22 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IElrG-00051Y-3J for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:57:22 -0400 Received: from hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net ([216.37.94.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IElrF-0002Tn-NN for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:57:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 4015 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jul 2007 12:49:40 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 4010, pid: 4011, t: 0.5771s scanners: clamav: 0.90.2/m: spam: 3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.3 required=6.2 tests=BAYES_99,RDNS_NONE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (67.97.210.2) by hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net with SMTP; 28 Jul 2007 12:49:39 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <472D8228-534D-4953-B18F-DABF47B98D96@cira.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matt Pounsett Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:56:53 -0500 To: Tom Vest X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2007-Jul-27, at 13:53, Tom Vest wrote: > Would these be acceptable for Vancouver? > > (part of the Packet Droppers Road Rig) > > http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx? > ObjectId=890&ParentId=60 We have a road rig? Tom, you've been holding out! :) Since we're all adding to the percussives, I should see if I can find a safe way to pack my bodhran. Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGqz0cae4z2vjbC8sRAmEGAKCv5ZFORfW7Vjrh0sbQ4mpueIkfYACdFIgF 9M7M4tj63ybnjFbbSS1ti/s= =heVw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 28 11:11:20 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEnwn-00013W-3C; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:11:13 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEnwm-00013R-6D for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:11:12 -0400 Received: from dsl001-129-069.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([72.1.129.69] helo=vicuna.estacado.net) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEnwl-00078y-Q9 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:11:12 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.6] (adsl-68-94-12-71.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [68.94.12.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by vicuna.estacado.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6SFB48T019661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:11:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@estacado.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <472D8228-534D-4953-B18F-DABF47B98D96@cira.ca> References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> <472D8228-534D-4953-B18F-DABF47B98D96@cira.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F657B2A-36B8-43DE-9259-151B34D78BCF@estacado.net> Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:11:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 28, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Matt Pounsett wrote: > On 2007-Jul-27, at 13:53, Tom Vest wrote: > >> Would these be acceptable for Vancouver? >> >> (part of the Packet Droppers Road Rig) >> >> http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx? >> ObjectId=890&ParentId=60 > > We have a road rig? Tom, you've been holding out! :) > Since we're all adding to the percussives, I should see if I can > find a safe way to pack my bodhran. > This is starting to sound like a lot of fun. Does anyone have thoughts about how to mix louder or amplified instruments in with the smaller (read: not very loud) hand drums. Perhaps the people posting on the House of Blues sub-thread on sound reinforcement have thoughts on the matter? Also if anyone has further thoughts on how to travel with these things and not causing a nuclear scare, it might be helpful. Would it make sense to ship a drum to the hotel in advance of arrival? _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 28 12:03:54 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEolh-0003LO-EV; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:03:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEolg-0003LH-5z for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:03:48 -0400 Received: from ns1.neustar.com ([2001:503:c779:1a::9c9a:108a]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEolf-0004UI-Q7 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:03:48 -0400 Received: from stntexch12.cis.neustar.com (exchange.va.neustar.com [10.31.13.31]) by ns1.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C4A26E77; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:03:47 +0000 (GMT) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:03:45 -0400 Message-ID: <886DD03D15173C43BCE98EA662A0101A031CA03B@stntexch12.cis.neustar.com> In-Reply-To: <9F657B2A-36B8-43DE-9259-151B34D78BCF@estacado.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? Thread-Index: AcfRKb12OSL3ueFOTYmkYnu28dlFDAABjEtw References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz><1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com><472D8228-534D-4953-B18F-DABF47B98D96@cira.ca> <9F657B2A-36B8-43DE-9259-151B34D78BCF@estacado.net> From: "Rosen, Brian" To: "Ben Campbell" X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sure. You need a sound system. A standard concert rig would do it. You mic everything (or jack into the amp if the performer is happy with that) and mix. Getting good sound on a hand drum can be tricky, but definitely doable. Not something I carry to IETFs. Actually, the only stuff I have at home wouldn't do well on any airplane ride, but normal gig stuff would. It can be rented pretty easily. I'm game to run it, but we'd have to come up with a viable way to rent something. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Campbell [mailto:ben@estacado.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:11 AM > Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? >=20 >=20 > On Jul 28, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Matt Pounsett wrote: > > On 2007-Jul-27, at 13:53, Tom Vest wrote: > > > >> Would these be acceptable for Vancouver? > >> > >> (part of the Packet Droppers Road Rig) > >> > >> http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx? > >> ObjectId=3D890&ParentId=3D60 > > > > We have a road rig? Tom, you've been holding out! :) > > Since we're all adding to the percussives, I should see if I can > > find a safe way to pack my bodhran. > > >=20 > This is starting to sound like a lot of fun. Does anyone have > thoughts about how to mix louder or amplified instruments in with the > smaller (read: not very loud) hand drums. Perhaps the people posting > on the House of Blues sub-thread on sound reinforcement have thoughts > on the matter? >=20 > Also if anyone has further thoughts on how to travel with these > things and not causing a nuclear scare, it might be helpful. Would it > make sense to ship a drum to the hotel in advance of arrival? >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 28 12:34:48 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEpFR-00050q-0R; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:34:33 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEpFP-00050l-MT for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:34:31 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEpFO-00016Q-HT for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:34:31 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2007 18:34:31 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAE4Nq0aQ/uCLZmdsb2JhbACPZQsKJA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,194,1183327200"; d="scan'208"; a="149249626:sNHT31557638" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6SGYTCX001509; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:34:29 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6SGYTkt001382; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:34:29 GMT Received: from lwood-wxp01.cisco.com (rtp-vpn3-240.cisco.com [10.82.216.240]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02905; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 17:34:27 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200707281634.RAA02905@cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 17:33:55 +0100 To: "Richard Barnes" , 69attendees@ietf.org From: Lloyd Wood Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] IETF in the local news In-Reply-To: <88ac5c710707270653r290679a6j140c1b5deb5ade48@mail.gmail.co m> References: <88ac5c710707270653r290679a6j140c1b5deb5ade48@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=7453; t=1185640469; x=1186504469; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=lwood@cisco.com; z=From:=20Lloyd=20Wood=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[69ATTENDEES]=20IETF=20in=20the=20local=20news |Sender:=20; bh=vs+jAarNQHqQv1+AyN72gokPrjSmw5KLg/9IJUhf5sw=; b=HnYme3d9rPv4SIMDFcDb9bG5iC67BA9yhlnS/UU4yBw7AudIDgMBn/IC6u8ggS6xwrLGLRnp gLK4Blv29OqDrGIkDNUV9Q/xKqRgniF+XzZhSb0K1GzMw8UdpgQ6KRTu; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=lwood@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ee80a2074afbfe28d15369f4e74e579d Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org At Friday 27/07/2007 08:53 -0500, Richard Barnes wrote: >This article was in the local paper this morning. Saw it in hard copy >on the IETF message board, but here's an electronic version. Copied >from: > >--Richard Worth pointing out that the article made page 1 of the Chicago Tribune, left-hand column. An article in the same issue debates celebrity deaths, and whether they should feature on the front page. Thus, the IETF meet ranks with Marilyn Monroe. L. >www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/premium/printedition/Friday/chi-fri_netheadsjul27,0,2758439.story > >chicagotribune.com > >Their mission: A better Internet >A loose-knit group of 'netheads' gathers in Chicago to tackle some of >the problems vexing the Web > >By Jon Van > >Tribune staff reporter > >July 27, 2007 >Click here to find out more! > >The guys who decide how the Internet should work (a few are women) >want you to know they don't run the Internet. Nobody does. > >Despite its tremendous influence on Web technology, the Internet >Engineering Task Force goes to great lengths to be loosey-goosey, >almost hippylike. It is a purely voluntary group with no dues, no >board of directors and no headquarters. > >"Our mission is to make the Internet work better," said Russell >Housley of Herndon, Va., one of some 1,200 engineers from the U.S. and >40 other countries who gathered in Chicago this week to swap ideas. >Earlier this year they met in Prague, Czech Republic, and later they >will meet in Vancouver. > >The engineers make suggestions in the form of technical language >protocols with arcane acronyms like TCP and DKIM, and they have >developed a system for reviewing, approving and publishing standards. >But they have no power to enforce anything. > >Ordinary people who use the Web would have no idea what these >engineers talk about -- or that they even exist. > >But it was not difficult to spot the "netheads" as they gathered in >meeting rooms at Chicago's Palmer House Hilton or sat in the hotel's >coffee shops and eateries. Nearly every one is tapping away on a >laptop computer as he talks, eats or listens to others. > >"Nothing beats two guys sitting in a bar drawing on a cocktail napkin >over a beer," said Housley. > >One project the engineers have worked on is aimed at decreasing phony >e-mail messages asking you to provide your bank, PayPal or some other >legitimate-sounding outfit with personal financial information. This >form of spam, known as phishing, seeks to trick unsuspecting people by >appearing to come from their bank or other place where they do >business. > >A new task force standard attaches a signature to real communications >from an actual business, enabling computer servers to identify and >discard the phonies. > >"If a server gets 70 e-mails from PayPal and only five have the real >signature, then only five go through and the other 65 don't," said >Barry Leiba, who has worked with other engineers for about 30 months >on the new standard. > >"Some companies are starting to adopt the standard, and we hope that >within a year people will see fewer phishing spams," said Leiba. "The >consumer doesn't have to do anything. Users don't understand the >details and don't have answers. We don't want to involve them in >this." > >Leiba's day job is working as a senior technical staff member for >Internet messaging with IBM Research. Like most of the engineers who >work on Internet standards he does so with his company's blessing. > >"I'm not here representing IBM," he said. "We are looking for what >will improve the Internet, not what promotes our company's interest. >Our companies all have a general interest in seeing the Internet work >better." > >While most of the volunteers are engineers, anyone can attend a >meeting of the task force, listen to what is said and make >suggestions, and while they need not be professional engineers, they >do have to have a deep understanding of technical issues and language. > >"No one is going to ask to see your diploma," said Olaf Kolkman, chief >of NLnet Labs in Amsterdam. "Anyone can participate." > >Kolkman said some people he has never met have made comments and >suggestions online that have been incorporated into standards. Some >engineers who attend the meetings have no affiliation with any >company. A few made big bucks during the dot-com boom, retired early >and participate in the task force as a hobby, said Housley. > >The engineers discuss suggestions and reach what they call a "rough >consensus and running code," meaning that most go along with a >solution that works. All the work is published online as engineers >make comments and revisions. > >Tasks on their plate include revising standards so that equipment >exploring Mars can send photos back to the Internet for researchers to >see immediately. Problem is, computers are used to things happening in >seconds or milliseconds and it takes about four minutes for a bit to >travel from here to Mars, so adjustments are in order. > >There's also a push to improve Internet telephony so that calls aren't >dropped because computers lose track of the identity of the machines >they are communicating with. > >The group, started with a meeting of 21 people in 1986, strives for a >type of anarchy that mirrors the Internet itself but does rely on a >certain amount of organized support. > >The Internet Society, a not-for-profit organization based in Reston, >Va., provides logistical support for task force gatherings and >recruits sponsors. Cell phone-maker Motorola Inc. picked up much of >the tab for the Chicago meeting, and AT&T Inc. donated high-speed >lines to bolster the Palmer House Hilton's communications systems. > >Bringing 1,200 Internet-obsessed engineers into a hotel for a week >creates a communications demand that would cause an ordinary system to >crash in an hour or two, said Steven Schroedl, founder of Verilan >Networks in Portland, Ore., who brought a crew of five and literally a >ton of equipment to beef up the hotel's wireless Internet. > >They added switches to a dozen electrical closets in the hotel and >installed 30 access points for wireless Internet. > >"If you brought this group into a hotel without doing this," said >Schroedl, "it would be a disaster. At this meeting, it doesn't matter >how nice the venue or whether the food is good. It could be Paris or >Prague, but if they can't get on the network, all they'll ever >remember is how bad it was." > >- - - > >Five Internet priorities > >*Stop phishing spam > >*Improve communication with Mars probes > >*Improve telephony > >*Optimize video transmission > >*Adjust technology to allow basic functions (like e-mail) in Africa, >South America > >_______________________________________________ >69ATTENDEES mailing list >69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees Cisco router in space tested: ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/lwood/cleo/README.html -- Lloyd Wood lwood@cisco.com http://www.cisco.com/go/space space initiatives manager, Cisco Systems Global Government Solutions Group 11 New Square, Bedfont Lakes, London. +44-20-8824-4236 cell:+44-7730-711075 _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 28 19:12:47 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEvSi-0004NQ-CI; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:12:40 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEvSg-0004NK-9F for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:12:38 -0400 Received: from usaga01-in.huawei.com ([206.16.17.211]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEvSe-0007N5-DX for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:12:38 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (usaga01-in [172.18.4.6]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JLW00HF7WGZ29@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s73602 (cpe-72-190-0-23.tx.res.rr.com [72.190.0.23]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JLW00G0NWGTI9@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:09:22 -0500 From: Spencer Dawkins Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? To: Ray Pelletier Message-id: <00b301c7d16c$560b1af0$6901a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> <200707271106.25882.michael_graff@isc.org> <1ebc01c7d068$34956290$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> <46AA1BD8.5090407@isoc.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Ray, > Any chance of adding a guitar and a keyboard? > Ray We should continue in the great IETF tradition of "permissive, not proscriptive", I'm thinking. It's not like anyone ever auditioned for ANY of this... Part of the trick seems to be "breaking down quickly and quietly", but I'd think that anything that works on this would work for us. I'm thinking http://www.yamaha.com/drums/hipgig.html?CTID=5040578&CNTYP=PRODUCT may be a little over the top (mostly because I can't imagine breaking them down without cymbal noise), but no telling what people will show up with. See you in Vancouver... Spencer _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 28 19:22:30 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEvcB-0001JK-JT; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:22:27 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEvc9-0001Ib-1w for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:22:25 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com ([171.71.176.117]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEvc7-0007e3-Bs for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:22:23 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2007 16:22:23 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAO9sq0arR7PE/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,194,1183359600"; d="scan'208"; a="190443530:sNHT22573287" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6SNMMtd029384; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:22:22 -0700 Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.177.199]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6SNMMA1025442; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:22:22 GMT Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:21:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Spencer Dawkins Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? In-Reply-To: <00b301c7d16c$560b1af0$6901a8c0@china.huawei.com> Message-ID: References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> <200707271106.25882.michael_graff@isc.org> <1ebc01c7d068$34956290$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> <46AA1BD8.5090407@isoc.org> <00b301c7d16c$560b1af0$6901a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=242; t=1185664942; x=1186528942; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; z=From:=20Ole=20Jacobsen=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[69ATTENDEES]=20hand=20drums? |Sender:=20; bh=3sHQFbRVNnPxkr/A8dgcbWjS7R14ml0bidrw34lAyBU=; b=nzyPoym/+iw9aqwWRA1ogPSyTtdTEPRc1kuGglKWncDxV73zxg23Znq62RM+hbgRW4akf/w3 bc233Df1uxQU7OLuS0XD4xnZ2wBYeIj5SK/9crj097K9oJpnqz3VsH8U; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=ole@cisco.com; dkim=pass (sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org I could torture everyone with an accordion :-) Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 28 23:03:12 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEz3f-0000M3-Ng; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:03:03 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEz3e-0000Lw-QO for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:03:02 -0400 Received: from e34.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.152]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEz3e-0004dM-D0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:03:02 -0400 Received: from d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.106]) by e34.co.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6T331J5001911 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:03:01 -0400 Received: from d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (d03av01.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.167]) by d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v8.4) with ESMTP id l6T330N1202648 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:03:01 -0600 Received: from d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6T330Ux029854 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:03:00 -0600 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (wecm-9-67-150-114.wecm.ibm.com [9.67.150.114]) by d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6T32lFE029695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:02:58 -0600 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id l6T32Lhm014229; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:02:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200707290302.l6T32Lhm014229@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: Lloyd Wood Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] IETF in the local news In-reply-to: <200707281634.RAA02905@cisco.com> References: <88ac5c710707270653r290679a6j140c1b5deb5ade48@mail.gmail.com> <200707281634.RAA02905@cisco.com> Comments: In-reply-to Lloyd Wood message dated "Sat, 28 Jul 2007 17:33:55 +0100." Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:02:21 -0500 From: Thomas Narten X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org The Tribune print edition also included a picture of folk hard at work. Well, um, actually it was picture of the bar/lobby from the floor above. :-) The folk I could postively identify sure looked like Mark Andrews, David Hankins and David Meyer. Thomas _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 29 11:12:17 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFARJ-0001eN-QO; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:12:13 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFARI-0001eF-AW for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:12:12 -0400 Received: from hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net ([216.37.94.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFARH-0004Yv-WF for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:12:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 29064 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jul 2007 15:04:29 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 29058, pid: 29060, t: 0.6027s scanners: clamav: 0.90.2/m: spam: 3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.0 required=6.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_80, STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from unknown (HELO jys3105121962) (z24109@67.97.210.2) by hiltonsmtp.worldspice.net with ESMTPA; 29 Jul 2007 15:04:28 -0000 Message-ID: <001801c7d1f2$d36fd180$c8aa1cac@jys3105121962> From: "Tina TSOU" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> References: <88ac5c710707270653r290679a6j140c1b5deb5ade48@mail.gmail.com> <200707281634.RAA02905@cisco.com> <200707290302.l6T32Lhm014229@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:12:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="gb2312"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] individual foreinger tourist shopping tax refund in US X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi guys, Is it possible for an individual foreigner tourist to get tax refund after shopping in US? If yes, how? I searched in the internet, but did not find exact guidance for it. Many thanks. B. R. Tina Messengers: MSN: tinatsou6@hotmail.com Yahoo: tina_tsou Skype: tinaTSOU Jabber: tina@jabber.org Google talk: tinatsou6@gmail.com _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 29 12:51:01 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFBya-0003OW-C3; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:50:40 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFByY-0003OJ-L0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:50:38 -0400 Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFByY-00006d-7G for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:50:38 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.42] (pool-71-105-86-112.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.105.86.112]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6TGjJNZ001198; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46ACC417.4020804@isi.edu> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:45:11 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tina TSOU Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] individual foreinger tourist shopping tax refund in US References: <88ac5c710707270653r290679a6j140c1b5deb5ade48@mail.gmail.com> <200707281634.RAA02905@cisco.com> <200707290302.l6T32Lhm014229@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <001801c7d1f2$d36fd180$c8aa1cac@jys3105121962> In-Reply-To: <001801c7d1f2$d36fd180$c8aa1cac@jys3105121962> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0310222438==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0310222438== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2E20469165FC701AFDE1F81B" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2E20469165FC701AFDE1F81B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tina TSOU wrote: > Hi guys, > Is it possible for an individual foreigner tourist to get tax refund > after shopping in US? If yes, how? I searched in the internet, but did > not find exact guidance for it. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added_tax US state sales taxes are on the transaction between a seller with operations in that state and the buyer in that same state. The tax can be avoided by: - the buyer being in a state where the seller is not incorporated (e.g., over the Internet, phone, mail) - buying in a state with no sales tax http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States Otherwise, the consumer - regardless of where they reside - is intended to pay sales tax. I.e., if you have something shipped outside the US, you might avoid tax, but not if you receive it in person there. Whether you pay such tax, and how much sometimes, depends on what you purchase. Joe --------------enig2E20469165FC701AFDE1F81B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGrMQXE5f5cImnZrsRAqzAAJ9UNk3M8iuosBMhRh1Yj2Tsu6MHVACfaV7Q 0+D1+wW+CQCe66vJXMZEHQo= =vsYU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig2E20469165FC701AFDE1F81B-- --===============0310222438== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============0310222438==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 29 13:45:55 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFCpt-0001sI-Ob; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:45:45 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFCps-0001sC-CV for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:45:44 -0400 Received: from mailgate-internal1.sri.com ([128.18.84.103]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFCpr-0001QY-Uw for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:45:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (HELO mailgate-internal1.SRI.COM) (127.0.0.1) by mailgate-internal1.sri.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2007 17:45:42 -0000 Received: from srimail1.sri.com ([128.18.30.11]) by mailgate-internal1.SRI.COM (SMSSMTP 4.1.11.41) with SMTP id M2007072910454228435 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:45:42 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (nj-71-0-103-194.dyn.embarqhsd.net [71.0.103.194]) by mail.sri.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JLY00M24BZT974U@mail.sri.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:45:32 -0500 From: Ed Jankiewicz Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? In-reply-to: To: Ole Jacobsen Message-id: <46ACD23C.3000301@sri.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> <200707271106.25882.michael_graff@isc.org> <1ebc01c7d068$34956290$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> <46AA1BD8.5090407@isoc.org> <00b301c7d16c$560b1af0$6901a8c0@china.huawei.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org typically in horror movies, a wheezy pipe organ sound is used for spooky scoring. Occasionally an accordion is used to signal the presence of a polkageist. but seriously folks - for Philly next year, I'll be within driving distance and can supply some equipment. Perhaps there is someone in the Vancouver vicinity that could do the same? The idea of renting locally is good, but my experience with renting sound equipment is that it is usually overpriced and under-engineered. Ole Jacobsen wrote: > I could torture everyone with an accordion :-) > > > > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > -- Ed Jankiewicz - SRI International Fort Monmouth Branch Office - IPv6 Research Supporting DISA Standards Engineering Branch 732-389-1003 or ed.jankiewicz@sri.com _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 29 14:33:29 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFDZz-00052j-T5; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:33:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFDZz-00052e-16 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:33:23 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFDZy-00022d-7Z for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:33:23 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2007 20:33:15 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAO56rEaQ/uCLZmdsb2JhbACPaAsKJA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,196,1183327200"; d="scan'208"; a="149289317:sNHT33750496" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6TIXD6V015115; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:33:13 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6TIXCkt015635; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:33:13 GMT Received: from lwood-wxp01.cisco.com (ams3-vpn-dhcp83.cisco.com [10.61.64.83]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04162; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:33:12 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200707291833.TAA04162@cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:32:39 +0100 To: Ed Jankiewicz , Ole Jacobsen From: Lloyd Wood Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? 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And bagpipes. L. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 29 14:51:09 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFDr1-0006KC-1H; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:50:59 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFDqz-0006K2-Rt for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:50:57 -0400 Received: from homer.w3.org ([128.30.52.30]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFDqz-0002QH-Jo for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:50:57 -0400 Received: from raktajino.does-not-exist.org (homer.w3.org [128.30.52.30]) by homer.w3.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1644EFEF; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roessler by raktajino.does-not-exist.org with local (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1IFDqz-0006yZ-3e; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:50:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:50:56 -0400 From: Thomas Roessler To: Lloyd Wood Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? Message-ID: <20070729185056.GE2974@raktajino.does-not-exist.org> Mail-Followup-To: Lloyd Wood , Ed Jankiewicz , Ole Jacobsen , 69attendees@ietf.org References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> <200707271106.25882.michael_graff@isc.org> <1ebc01c7d068$34956290$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> <46AA1BD8.5090407@isoc.org> <00b301c7d16c$560b1af0$6901a8c0@china.huawei.com> <46ACD23C.3000301@sri.com> <200707291833.TAA04162@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200707291833.TAA04162@cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-07-16) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 2007-07-29 19:32:39 +0100, Lloyd Wood wrote: > we need more foot drums. > > And bagpipes. I'll take the jackhammer. Cheers, -- Thomas Roessler, W3C _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 29 16:57:23 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFFpI-0005BP-9j; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:57:20 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFFpH-0005BK-JK for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:57:19 -0400 Received: from virtual3.netaktiv.com ([80.67.170.53] helo=mail.bortzmeyer.org) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFFpH-0005Hb-9h for 69attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:57:19 -0400 Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 5001424080E; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:57:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fetiche (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B1E0317CCD; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:47:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:47:22 -0500 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Paul Aitken Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] food Message-ID: <20070729204722.GA9952@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <46AA2084.8000008@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46AA2084.8000008@cisco.com> X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 05:42:44PM +0100, Paul Aitken wrote a message of 14 lines which said: > Nobody seems to have mentioned the breakfast and break arrangements, > so I for one wanted to say that I found the quality, selection and > layout were great. I fully agree. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 30 05:30:33 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFRa7-0006cu-QG; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:30:27 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFRa5-0006cm-7l for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:30:25 -0400 Received: from tcmail31.telekom.de ([217.6.95.238]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFRa4-0005v0-Ie for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:30:25 -0400 Received: from S4DE8PSAANQ.mitte.t-com.de by tcmail31.telekom.de with ESMTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:30:22 +0200 Received: from S4DE8PSAAGM.mitte.t-com.de ([10.151.180.12]) by S4DE8PSAANQ.mitte.t-com.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:30:22 +0200 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:30:21 +0200 Message-Id: <1B309B6DC3B05440ACC14187BCB308A40162323A@S4DE8PSAAGM.mitte.t-com.de> In-Reply-To: <46AA1F9A.8010101@sri.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? Thread-Index: AcfQbKoe3NRUvDEGRnaYipBBtBiEnwCH3Keg From: "Von-Hugo, Dirk" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2007 09:30:22.0264 (UTC) FILETIME=[407E9380:01C7D28C] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8de5f93cb2b4e3bee75302e9eacc33db Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi folks That's the idea how to replace the social event in case no host will be = found - let's have a session ... Regards Dirk =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Ed Jankiewicz [mailto:edward.jankiewicz@sri.com]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Juli 2007 18:39 An: Ray Pelletier Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org Betreff: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? given the vagaries of getting instruments hand-carried on airplane=20 cabins, I hesitate to pack any more than a travel guitar or a uke. =20 small but quiet. But if I know there would be some interest in jamming, = I might take a chance and bring my well-traveled and nearly=20 indestructible mostly plastic Ovation... For Vancouver and future meetings, might I suggest that anyone who feels = up to packing/carrying an instrument do so, and we will look for=20 opportunities for ad hoc musical aggregations? Ray Pelletier wrote: > Any chance of adding a guitar and a keyboard? > Ray > > Spencer Dawkins wrote: > >> Apparently the ruleset to detect "dirty bombs" still needs a little=20 >> tuning, perhaps? >> >> Spencer >> >> >>> On Friday 27 July 2007 06:10:27 Spencer Dawkins wrote: >>> >>>> (4) getting stopped in airport security in Yokohama (aluminum=20 >>>> doumbeks look >>>> quite "interesting" when you x-ray the bag they are in - I was best = >>>> able to >>>> explain to the nice Japanese security types by just playing the = drums, >>>> standing in the checkpoint area). >>> >>> >>> I have a cast aluminum dumbek (same drum, different spelling) which=20 >>> I take to >>> Pennsic (http://www.pennsicwar.org/) every year, for the large SCA >>> (http://www.sca.org/) event there. Once, when flying back, they=20 >>> were trying >>> some sort of AI out at the Pittsburgh airport machines, and=20 >>> apparently I >>> triggered some unexpected results. >>> >>> I had used all available space in packing up, and filled the drum=20 >>> with dirty >>> clothes, since they certainly won't hurt the drum. It turns out=20 >>> when filled >>> the X-Ray AI decided I had a nuclear warhead. Without it, it was=20 >>> "unknown >>> object." Clearly, since I was carrying it, it wasn't what the AI=20 >>> thought, so >>> it was funny, not scarry. >>> >>> --Michael >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --=20 Ed Jankiewicz - SRI International Fort Monmouth Branch Office - IPv6 Research=20 Supporting DISA Standards Engineering Branch 732-389-1003 or ed.jankiewicz@sri.com=20 _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 30 06:18:26 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFSKT-0006MI-PW; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:18:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFSKS-0006MC-JG for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:18:20 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFSKR-0008J6-9y for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:18:20 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2007 12:18:17 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAC9YrUaQ/uCKh2dsb2JhbACPaQEBCQon X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,198,1183327200"; d="scan'208"; a="149332436:sNHT84193528" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6UAIGeg027986; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:18:16 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6UAIFkt000662; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:18:15 GMT Received: from [144.254.153.55] (dhcp-144-254-153-55.cisco.com [144.254.153.55]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07208; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:18:06 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46ADBADE.6020704@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:18:06 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.5) Gecko/20070719 SeaMonkey/1.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tlr@w3.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? 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Sacrilege! -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 30 07:20:29 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFTIZ-00043Y-2L; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:20:27 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFTIY-00043T-77 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:20:26 -0400 Received: from usaga01-in.huawei.com ([206.16.17.211]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFTIW-0003Gg-70 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:20:26 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (usaga01-in [172.18.4.6]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JLZ000CIOTZXJ@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 04:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s73602 (cpe-72-190-0-23.tx.res.rr.com [72.190.0.23]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JLZ001PHOTVQ4@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 04:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:17:00 -0500 From: Spencer Dawkins Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? To: Paul Aitken , tlr@w3.org Message-id: <011a01c7d29b$26e95c20$6901a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> <200707271106.25882.michael_graff@isc.org> <1ebc01c7d068$34956290$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> <46AA1BD8.5090407@isoc.org> <00b301c7d16c$560b1af0$6901a8c0@china.huawei.com> <46ACD23C.3000301@sri.com> <200707291833.TAA04162@cisco.com> <20070729185056.GE2974@raktajino.does-not-exist.org> <46ADBADE.6020704@cisco.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org With apologies to Jon Postel ... From: "Paul Aitken" > Thomas Roessler wrote: > >>> And bagpipes. >> >> I'll take the jackhammer. > > Sacrilege! I think if we agree now to be conservative in what we take to the IETF meetings and liberal in what we're willing to listen to once we get there, the result may be the best we can achieve in a group of a thousand or so people ;-) Thanks, Spencer, who promises to back off exponentially if everyone else will, too... _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 30 09:26:54 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFVGp-0001Bb-Nn; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:26:47 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFVGm-0001BI-NR; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:26:44 -0400 Received: from [202.99.23.227] (helo=people.com.cn) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFVGl-00056E-Tg; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:26:44 -0400 Received: from people.com.cn([127.0.0.1]) by people.com.cn(AIMC 2.9.5.8) with SMTP id jm13646adf4bb; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:38:35 +0800 Received: from megatron.ietf.org([156.154.16.145]) by people.com.cn(AIMC 2.9.5.8) with SMTP id jmb346a92898; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:50:43 +0800 Received: from megatron.ietf.org([156.154.16.145]) by people.com.cn(AIMC 2.9.5.8) with SMTP id AISP action; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:50:43 +0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IE6r3-00016v-UO; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:10:25 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRGm-00013q-6K; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:46:12 -0400 Received: from lemland.kurtis.pp.se ([2001:670:87:2::25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDRGk-0002ea-UK; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:46:12 -0400 Received: from [130.129.21.232] (dhcp-15e8.ietf69.org [130.129.21.232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by lemland.kurtis.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331BB78D27; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:46:09 +0300 (EEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, 69attendees@ietf.org From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:46:03 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:10:20 -0400 X-BeenThere: ietf-announce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list X-AIMC-AUTH: (null) X-AIMC-MAILFROM: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org X-AIMC-AUTH: (null) X-AIMC-MAILFROM: kurtis@kurtis.pp.se X-Auto-Forward: jaglee@people.com.cn jag@kw.com.cn X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: Subject: [69ATTENDEES] IAOC office hours X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org The IAOC will again be holding open office hours in Parlor A on Wednesday 16.00-17.00 Thursday 16.00-17.00 On behalf of the IAOC - kurtis - _______________________________________________ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 30 12:40:32 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFYIC-0004O3-Q4; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:40:24 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFYIB-0004Nx-DW for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:40:23 -0400 Received: from ns3.neustar.com ([156.154.24.138]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFYIB-0001HI-5M for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:40:23 -0400 Received: from [10.31.13.118] (unknown [10.31.13.118]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF84F17610 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:39:52 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <46AE1444.5010301@neustar.biz> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:39:32 -0700 From: Jeff Hodges User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tom Vest wrote: > Would these be acceptable for Vancouver? > > (part of the Packet Droppers Road Rig) > > http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=890&ParentId=60 yeah, but they might be overkill too ;) Ben Campbell wrote: > > Does anyone have thoughts > about how to mix louder or amplified instruments in with the smaller > (read: not very loud) hand drums. well, if the roland v-drum set pointed to above is the only stuff requiring an amp, it can be easily accommodated with just a simple "keyboard amp" (guitar amps don't have the necessary range). I have a set of v-drums, and they can be turned down such that they aren't any louder than the hand percussives. They are ambiently pretty quiet as compared to other electronic drum pads -- because their heads are mesh and don't resonate (very much). =JeffH _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 30 16:14:52 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFbdh-0005N7-VU; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:14:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFbdg-0005N0-JR for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:14:48 -0400 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.176]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFbdf-00087V-4l for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:14:48 -0400 Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout06/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id l6UKEkqC001050; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.150.186.170] (laptop170.icsi.berkeley.edu [192.150.186.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin07/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id l6UKEfaJ022240; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:14:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <46A7E2BF.4000008@isoc.org> References: <46A7E2BF.4000008@isoc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3da0441b9dba27ebee1c57ad1eee9f07@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sally Floyd Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] RFC Author License Execution Opportunity Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:14:41 -0700 To: Ray Pelletier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ray - > Steve, Dave Crocker, Fred Baker, Harald Alvestrand, IBM and other RFC > authors have executed an RFC Non-Exclusive License to the IETF Trust, > the substantive wording of which is below. The document can be found > at: http://trustee.ietf.org/authorlic.html If we didn't manage to do this at IETF, should we print it out and send it in? Or just wait until the next IETF? - Sally http://www.icir.org/floyd/ _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 30 22:24:33 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFhPG-00047w-Tf; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:24:18 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFhPF-00047k-VL for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:24:17 -0400 Received: from edge.sunlabs.com ([204.153.12.50] helo=mail-mta.sunlabs.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFhPD-0002RW-T0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:24:17 -0400 Received: from mail.sunlabs.com ([152.70.2.186]) by dps.sfvic.sunlabs.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.02 (built Aug 25 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JM000FHUUO9IL00@dps.sfvic.sunlabs.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.150.16.21] ([192.18.43.225]) by mail.sunlabs.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.02 (built Aug 25 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0JM00097TUO7KV00@mail.sunlabs.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:25:06 -0700 From: Radia Perlman To: 69attendees@ietf.org Message-id: <46AE9D82.2080502@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Subject: [69ATTENDEES] Networking at IETF meetings X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org One of the most valuable parts of an IETF meeting is meeting people you don't already know. Lunches and dinners are great opportunities for this. I notice, though, that there are a lot of shy people that either wind up eating alone, or with their colleagues. Some dinner groups actually want to be exclusive, because they are specifically there to talk about some arcane thing. But a lot of groups are happy to include others. I'd suggest that in future IETFs there be a canonical meeting place for groups of people that are happy to include other people, and that it be clear that if you see a group of IETF types hanging around that spot at approximately mealtimes, it is explicitly encouraged for people to wander up to groups and say "can I join you for dinner?" Snooty groups would be encouraged to gather someplace else. Radia _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 30 22:59:36 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFhxN-0008HB-T1; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:59:33 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFhxN-0008H6-0x for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:59:33 -0400 Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([68.142.229.93]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFhxM-0004db-LE for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:59:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 98557 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2007 02:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.11?) (andybierman@att.net@75.50.187.99 with plain) by smtp112.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2007 02:59:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: y_BWb7cVM1nbRIg_uTcCuwJLX2xiT1MJbsFRlY7V3G5EMWYS6kf7SMlFlFy4OViIfxkPQJL9Ouiq8IuFybPJCX4rREVSheeUq2HhJyr71ofndmZjQDQpQw-- Message-ID: <46AEA541.7040205@andybierman.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:58:09 -0700 From: Andy Bierman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Radia Perlman Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Networking at IETF meetings References: <46AE9D82.2080502@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <46AE9D82.2080502@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Radia Perlman wrote: > One of the most valuable parts of an IETF > meeting is meeting people you don't already know. Lunches and > dinners are great opportunities for this. > I notice, though, > that there are a lot of shy people that either wind up eating alone, > or with their colleagues. > > Some dinner groups actually want to be exclusive, because they are > specifically there to talk about some arcane thing. But a lot of > groups are happy to include others. > > I'd suggest that in future IETFs there be a canonical meeting place > for groups of people that are happy to include other people, and > that it be clear that if you see a group of IETF types hanging around > that spot at approximately mealtimes, it is explicitly encouraged for > people to wander up to groups and say "can I join you for dinner?" > Since Prague, where the price of beer outside the hotel was 5X cheaper than inside the hotel, people seem to hang out less in the hotel bar. > Snooty groups would be encouraged to gather someplace else. > Not that I am volunteering to help, but... It seems to me the veteran people have plenty of planned social events, such as the WG Chairs Beer Night (my favorite :-). There should be a Monday night Newbies social event. > Radia Andy _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 30 23:02:41 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFi0O-0001hU-8o; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:02:40 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFi0N-0001hP-1K for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:02:39 -0400 Received: from relay.imagine.ie ([87.232.1.41]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFi0M-0004jQ-F0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:02:38 -0400 Received: from mail1.int.imagine.ie (mail1 [87.232.1.152]) by relay.imagine.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EBD415D; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:02:37 +0100 (IST) Received: from [10.87.48.2] (dsl-102-234.cust.imagine.ie [87.232.102.234]) by mail1.int.imagine.ie (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l6V32ZCZ032129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:02:35 +0100 Message-ID: <46AEA6C0.2080006@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:04:32 +0100 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Radia Perlman Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Networking at IETF meetings References: <46AE9D82.2080502@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <46AE9D82.2080502@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Hold at 8.00] X-Canit-Stats-ID: 11981953 - c141cedfcee6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 87.232.1.52 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org As anti-social as I am (in absolute terms, relatively gregarious in IETF-terms:-), I think that Radia's is a great idea. Some of the best IETF evenings I've enjoyed have involved outrageously silly misunderstandings of some random person's opinions (incl. mine:-) - almost all of which have been far better than any $8 welcome-reception beer. I'd tweak Radia's suggestion to start from a booze-place from which expeditions to food could be launched, but basically an unabmiguous yes to willful dinner mingling at IETFs... (...so long as each diner is happy to appear silly. I can offer guidance: IMO, willingness to appear silly is the most common characteristic of IETF-folks to whom I personallly pay attention. They, and I, don't of course, always recall this:-) S. Radia Perlman wrote: > One of the most valuable parts of an IETF > meeting is meeting people you don't already know. Lunches and > dinners are great opportunities for this. > I notice, though, > that there are a lot of shy people that either wind up eating alone, > or with their colleagues. > > Some dinner groups actually want to be exclusive, because they are > specifically there to talk about some arcane thing. But a lot of > groups are happy to include others. > > I'd suggest that in future IETFs there be a canonical meeting place > for groups of people that are happy to include other people, and > that it be clear that if you see a group of IETF types hanging around > that spot at approximately mealtimes, it is explicitly encouraged for > people to wander up to groups and say "can I join you for dinner?" > > Snooty groups would be encouraged to gather someplace else. > > Radia > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 30 23:07:54 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFi5O-0004JD-Jy; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:07:50 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFi5N-0004DH-CI for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:07:49 -0400 Received: from szxga04-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.7]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFi5M-0004px-Gv for 69attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:07:49 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (szxga04-in [172.24.2.12]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JM000L9VWNUUB@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:07:06 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JM00096EWNTXC@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:07:06 +0800 (CST) Received: from z24109a ([10.70.76.134]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JM000333WNTN6@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:07:05 +0800 (CST) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:07:06 +0800 From: Tina TSOU Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? To: Jeff Hodges , 69attendees@ietf.org Message-id: <006e01c7d31f$e0331700$864c460a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <46A934DA.3000300@neustar.biz> <1d9401c7d03e$c1560ba0$fb0111ac@china.huawei.com> <46AE1444.5010301@neustar.biz> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, My instrument is not easily portable, as it is a piano. If we could find a piano or keyboard in the hotel bar to borrow and move it, I would join you. Would you let us know which melody we gonna play? I'd better practice it in advance. B. R. Tina +86-755-28972912 (Office) +86-13922884380 (Mobile) Messengers: MSN: tinatsou6@hotmail.com Yahoo: tina_tsou Skype: tinaTSOU Jabber: tina@jabber.org Google talk: tinatsou6@gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Hodges" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] hand drums? > Tom Vest wrote: > > Would these be acceptable for Vancouver? > > > > (part of the Packet Droppers Road Rig) > > > > http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=890&ParentId=60 > > yeah, but they might be overkill too ;) > > > Ben Campbell wrote: > > > > Does anyone have thoughts > > about how to mix louder or amplified instruments in with the smaller > > (read: not very loud) hand drums. > > well, if the roland v-drum set pointed to above is the only stuff > requiring an amp, it can be easily accommodated with just a simple > "keyboard amp" (guitar amps don't have the necessary range). I have a set > of v-drums, and they can be turned down such that they aren't any louder > than the hand percussives. They are ambiently pretty quiet as compared to > other electronic drum pads -- because their heads are mesh and don't > resonate (very much). > > > =JeffH > > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 31 05:12:42 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFnmS-00049x-Qb; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:12:40 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFnmR-00049s-S0 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:12:39 -0400 Received: from smtpout.sgsi.ucl.ac.be ([130.104.5.77] helo=smtp1.sgsi.ucl.ac.be) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFnmQ-0006Yb-P2 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:12:39 -0400 Received: from smtp1.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F250E90D3; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:12:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.104.228.72] (unknown [130.104.228.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: iannone@smtp1.sgsi.ucl.ac.be) by smtp1.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:12:38 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <46AEA6C0.2080006@cs.tcd.ie> References: <46AE9D82.2080502@sun.com> <46AEA6C0.2080006@cs.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Message-Id: <1BD24C5C-D0C4-4FDB-8901-5C0A1941F901@uclouvain.be> From: Luigi Iannone Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Networking at IETF meetings Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:13:15 +0200 To: Stephen Farrell X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Sgsi-Spamcheck: Authenticated, X-SGSI-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SGSI-From: luigi.iannone@uclouvain.be X-SGSI-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e367d58950869b6582535ddf5a673488 Cc: Radia Perlman , 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1251809084==" Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1251809084== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-26--739918290 --Apple-Mail-26--739918290 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed As a newbie IMO a web page announcing a meeting point and a most likely target =20 Pub/Restaurant will be a nice initiative. If there are volunteers, each evening someone can propose something =20 different. Luigi Le 31-juil.-07 =E0 05:04, Stephen Farrell a =E9crit : > > As anti-social as I am (in absolute terms, relatively > gregarious in IETF-terms:-), I think that Radia's is > a great idea. > > Some of the best IETF evenings I've enjoyed have involved > outrageously silly misunderstandings of some random person's > opinions (incl. mine:-) - almost all of which have been far > better than any $8 welcome-reception beer. > > I'd tweak Radia's suggestion to start from a booze-place from > which expeditions to food could be launched, but basically an > unabmiguous yes to willful dinner mingling at IETFs... > > (...so long as each diner is happy to appear silly. I can > offer guidance: IMO, willingness to appear silly is the most > common characteristic of IETF-folks to whom I personallly pay > attention. They, and I, don't of course, always recall this:-) > > S. > > Radia Perlman wrote: >> One of the most valuable parts of an IETF >> meeting is meeting people you don't already know. Lunches and >> dinners are great opportunities for this. >> I notice, though, >> that there are a lot of shy people that either wind up eating alone, >> or with their colleagues. >> Some dinner groups actually want to be exclusive, because they are >> specifically there to talk about some arcane thing. But a lot of >> groups are happy to include others. >> I'd suggest that in future IETFs there be a canonical meeting place >> for groups of people that are happy to include other people, and >> that it be clear that if you see a group of IETF types hanging around >> that spot at approximately mealtimes, it is explicitly encouraged for >> people to wander up to groups and say "can I join you for dinner?" >> Snooty groups would be encouraged to gather someplace else. >> Radia >> _______________________________________________ >> 69ATTENDEES mailing list >> 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees Luigi Iannone luigi.iannone@uclouvain.be --Apple-Mail-26--739918290 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 As a newbie=A0

IMO a web page announcing a = meeting point and a most likely target Pub/Restaurant will be a nice = initiative.

If = there are volunteers, each evening someone can propose something = different.

Luigi=A0=A0


=A0
Le = 31-juil.-07 =E0 05:04, Stephen Farrell a =E9crit :


As = anti-social as I am (in absolute terms, relatively
gregarious in IETF-terms:-), I think that Radia's = is
a great idea.

Some of the = best IETF evenings I've enjoyed have involved
outrageously silly misunderstandings of some random = person's
opinions (incl. mine:-) - almost = all of which have been far
better than = any $8 welcome-reception beer.

I'd tweak Radia's suggestion to = start from a booze-place from
which = expeditions to food could be launched, but basically an
unabmiguous yes to willful dinner mingling at = IETFs...

(...so long as each diner is happy to appear silly. = I can
offer guidance: IMO, willingness = to appear silly is the most
common = characteristic of IETF-folks to whom I personallly pay
attention. They, and I, don't of course, always = recall this:-)

S.
Radia Perlman wrote:
=
One of the most valuable = parts of an IETF
meeting is meeting people you = don't already know. Lunches and
dinners are = great opportunities for this.
I notice, = though,
that there are a lot of shy = people that either wind up eating alone,
or with = their colleagues.
Some dinner groups actually want = to be exclusive, because they are
specifically = there to talk about some arcane thing. But a lot of
groups are happy to include others.
I'd suggest that in future IETFs there be a = canonical meeting place
for groups of = people that are happy to include other people, and
that it be clear that if you see a group of IETF = types hanging around
that spot at approximately = mealtimes, it is explicitly encouraged for
people = to wander up to groups and say "can I join you for dinner?"
Snooty groups would be encouraged to gather = someplace else.
Radia
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=

Luigi = Iannone



= --Apple-Mail-26--739918290-- --===============1251809084== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees --===============1251809084==-- From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 31 05:39:37 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFoCV-0001YA-57; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:39:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFoCT-0001Xy-8x for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:39:33 -0400 Received: from ns1.nict.go.jp ([133.243.3.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFoCR-0007Bc-9w for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:39:33 -0400 Received: from gw1.nict.go.jp (gw1.nict.go.jp [133.243.18.250]) by ns1.nict.go.jp with ESMTP id l6V9Zjv1007151 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:35:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from gw1.nict.go.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw1.nict.go.jp with ESMTP id l6V9ZiTH014959 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:35:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail1.nict.go.jp (mail.nict.go.jp [133.243.18.3]) by gw1.nict.go.jp with ESMTP id l6V9Zivu014954 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:35:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail1.nict.go.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.nict.go.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F8B421C for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:35:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from nictkafle (5gou2f-dhcp28.nict.go.jp [133.243.146.188]) by mail1.nict.go.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790C84225 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:35:44 +0900 (JST) From: "Ved Kafle" To: <69attendees@ietf.org> Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Networking at IETF meetings Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:37:44 +0900 Message-ID: <000501c7d356$7252ddb0$bc92f385@nictkafle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1BD24C5C-D0C4-4FDB-8901-5C0A1941F901@uclouvain.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d2e37451f7f22841e3b6f40c67db0f X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org The idea of having some volunteers for helping participants to meet each other is good. I had met some participants, specially from Asian countries, who wanted to meet other participants for some research discussions. But, they could not do that because of the following two possible reasons: First, they were shy to introduce themselves to others (in their home country, usually a third person introduces two persons.) Second, they were not quite sure whether the person they intended to meet would respond well when the responder was talking to others.=20 We may think of such volunteering jobs as well. Ved -----Original Message----- From: Luigi Iannone [mailto:luigi.iannone@uclouvain.be]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:13 PM To: Stephen Farrell Cc: Radia Perlman; 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Networking at IETF meetings As a newbie=20 IMO a web page announcing a meeting point and a most likely target Pub/Restaurant will be a nice initiative. If there are volunteers, each evening someone can propose something different. Luigi =20 Le 31-juil.-07 =E0 05:04, Stephen Farrell a =E9crit : As anti-social as I am (in absolute terms, relatively gregarious in IETF-terms:-), I think that Radia's is a great idea. Some of the best IETF evenings I've enjoyed have involved outrageously silly misunderstandings of some random person's opinions (incl. mine:-) - almost all of which have been far better than any $8 welcome-reception beer. I'd tweak Radia's suggestion to start from a booze-place from which expeditions to food could be launched, but basically an unabmiguous yes to willful dinner mingling at IETFs... (...so long as each diner is happy to appear silly. I can offer guidance: IMO, willingness to appear silly is the most common characteristic of IETF-folks to whom I personallly pay attention. They, and I, don't of course, always recall this:-) S. Radia Perlman wrote: One of the most valuable parts of an IETF meeting is meeting people you don't already know. Lunches and dinners are great opportunities for this. I notice, though, that there are a lot of shy people that either wind up eating alone, or with their colleagues. Some dinner groups actually want to be exclusive, because they are specifically there to talk about some arcane thing. But a lot of groups are happy to include others. I'd suggest that in future IETFs there be a canonical meeting place for groups of people that are happy to include other people, and that it be clear that if you see a group of IETF types hanging around that spot at approximately mealtimes, it is explicitly encouraged for people to wander up to groups and say "can I join you for dinner?" Snooty groups would be encouraged to gather someplace else. Radia _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees Luigi Iannone luigi.iannone@uclouvain.be _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 31 08:09:49 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFqXn-00086k-Oo; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:09:43 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFqXm-00086T-RN for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:09:42 -0400 Received: from smtp161.iad.emailsrvr.com ([207.97.245.161]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFqXl-0005S0-L8 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:09:42 -0400 Received: by relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id 68F7B6A5CBA; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46AF2855.50703@isoc.org> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:17:25 -0400 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sally Floyd Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] RFC Author License Execution Opportunity References: <46A7E2BF.4000008@isoc.org> <3da0441b9dba27ebee1c57ad1eee9f07@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <3da0441b9dba27ebee1c57ad1eee9f07@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: 69attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sally Floyd wrote: > Ray - > >> Steve, Dave Crocker, Fred Baker, Harald Alvestrand, IBM and other RFC >> authors have executed an RFC Non-Exclusive License to the IETF Trust, >> the substantive wording of which is below. The document can be >> found at: http://trustee.ietf.org/authorlic.html > > > If we didn't manage to do this at IETF, should we print it out > and send it in? Or just wait until the next IETF? Sally, Rather than wait, you could print, sign and send the license (found above) for me to countersign on behalf of the Trust. Send to me as a pdf via email, or mail to Internet Society, 1775 Wiehle Ave, Suite 102, Reston, VA 20190 USA I'd be happy to return a copy for your records. Ray > > - Sally > http://www.icir.org/floyd/ > > > _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 31 12:43:41 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFuos-0002Ux-A9; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:43:38 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFuor-0002Us-49 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:43:37 -0400 Received: from repmmg02.bea.com ([66.248.192.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFuop-0006yO-P3 for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:43:37 -0400 Received: from repmmr02.bea.com (repmmr02.bea.com [10.160.30.72]) by repmmg02.bea.com (Switch-3.2.7/Switch-3.2.7) with ESMTP id l6VGhYVV030054 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:43:34 -0700 Received: from repbex01.amer.bea.com (repbex01.bea.com [10.160.26.98]) by repmmr02.bea.com (Switch-3.2.7/Switch-3.2.7) with ESMTP id l6VGgjAs001766 for <69attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:42:56 -0700 Received: from 10.34.5.152 ([10.34.5.152]) by repbex01.amer.bea.com ([10.160.26.98]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:43:25 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:05:33 -0700 Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Networking at IETF meetings From: Eric Burger To: <69attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Networking at IETF meetings Thread-Index: AcfThD3XfGR86j93EdydpQAWy4mm/w== In-Reply-To: <000501c7d356$7252ddb0$bc92f385@nictkafle> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable x-BEA-PMX-Instructions: AV x-BEA-MM: Internal-To-External X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: dbb8771284c7a36189745aa720dc20ab X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Like all good ideas, I am sure we can "borrow" ideas from Neighborhood Welcome Committees or the Dating / Personals industries. I would offer (hope) that we would have more than 8 people interested in such an activity. As a relatively old IETF guy, I would still welcome the opportunity to meet with new meeting attendees. Perhaps a virtual sign-up sheet with interests, who is already going, and venue information? Yet another Wiki for Henrik to setup :-) On 7/31/07 4:37 AM, "Ved Kafle" wrote: > The idea of having some volunteers for helping participants to meet each > other is good. > I had met some participants, specially from Asian countries, who wanted > to meet other participants for some research discussions. > But, they could not do that because of the following two possible > reasons: > First, they were shy to introduce themselves to others (in their home > country, usually a third person introduces two persons.) > Second, they were not quite sure whether the person they intended to > meet would respond well when the responder was talking to others. >=20 > We may think of such volunteering jobs as well. >=20 > Ved >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Luigi Iannone [mailto:luigi.iannone@uclouvain.be] > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:13 PM > To: Stephen Farrell > Cc: Radia Perlman; 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Networking at IETF meetings >=20 >=20 > As a newbie=20 >=20 >=20 > IMO a web page announcing a meeting point and a most likely target > Pub/Restaurant will be a nice initiative. >=20 >=20 > If there are volunteers, each evening someone can propose something > different. >=20 >=20 > Luigi =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Le 31-juil.-07 =E0 05:04, Stephen Farrell a =E9crit : >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > As anti-social as I am (in absolute terms, relatively > gregarious in IETF-terms:-), I think that Radia's is > a great idea. >=20 >=20 > Some of the best IETF evenings I've enjoyed have involved > outrageously silly misunderstandings of some random person's > opinions (incl. mine:-) - almost all of which have been far > better than any $8 welcome-reception beer. >=20 >=20 > I'd tweak Radia's suggestion to start from a booze-place from > which expeditions to food could be launched, but basically an > unabmiguous yes to willful dinner mingling at IETFs... >=20 >=20 > (...so long as each diner is happy to appear silly. I can > offer guidance: IMO, willingness to appear silly is the most > common characteristic of IETF-folks to whom I personallly pay > attention. They, and I, don't of course, always recall this:-) >=20 >=20 > S. >=20 >=20 > Radia Perlman wrote: > One of the most valuable parts of an IETF > meeting is meeting people you don't already know. Lunches and > dinners are great opportunities for this. > I notice, though, > that there are a lot of shy people that either wind up eating alone, > or with their colleagues. > Some dinner groups actually want to be exclusive, because they are > specifically there to talk about some arcane thing. But a lot of > groups are happy to include others. > I'd suggest that in future IETFs there be a canonical meeting place > for groups of people that are happy to include other people, and > that it be clear that if you see a group of IETF types hanging around > that spot at approximately mealtimes, it is explicitly encouraged for > people to wander up to groups and say "can I join you for dinner?" > Snooty groups would be encouraged to gather someplace else. > Radia > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >=20 >=20 > Luigi Iannone >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > luigi.iannone@uclouvain.be >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may contain inf= ormation of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and affiliated entiti= es, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted and/or legally p= rivileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity n= amed in this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have recei= ved this message in error, please immediately return this by email and then= delete it. _______________________________________________ 69ATTENDEES mailing list 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees From 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 31 12:58:39 2007 Return-path: <69attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFv3O-0005ZX-P5; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:58:38 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFv3N-0005ZR-6B for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:58:37 -0400 Received: from smtpa.juniper.net ([207.17.137.120]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFv3L-0007TL-RS for 69attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:58:37 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO proton.jnpr.net) ([10.10.2.37]) by smtpa.juniper.net with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2007 09:58:34 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,204,1183359600"; d="scan'208"; a="47141267:sNHT64452036" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [69ATTENDEES] Networking at IETF meetings Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:58:36 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [69ATTENDEES] Networking at IETF meetings Thread-Index: AcfThD3XfGR86j93EdydpQAWy4mm/wADoVxg References: <000501c7d356$7252ddb0$bc92f385@nictkafle> From: "Stephen Hanna" To: "Eric Burger" , <69attendees@ietf.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 20f22c03b5c66958bff5ef54fcda6e48 Cc: X-BeenThere: 69attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: for attendees at 69th IETF <69attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 69attendees-bounces@ietf.org With the "Keep It Simple" principle in mind, I think we can just say that people who want an ad-hoc meal should meet at the IETF Message Board at meal times. This better suits the ad-hoc, casual, last-minute nature of the situation than a complicated online sign-up sheet. The message board also provides a convenient place for a sign saying "Happily Educational and Yeasty Mealtime Ad-hoc Networking (heyman)" or some such clever acronym, along with a humorous description of the ad-hoc meeting protocol. Thanks, Steve -----Original Message----- From: Eric Burger [mailto:eburger@bea.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 1:06 PM To: 69attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Networking at IETF meetings Like all good ideas, I am sure we can "borrow" ideas from Neighborhood Welcome Committees or the Dating / Personals industries. I would offer (hope) that we would have more than 8 people interested in such an activity. As a relatively old IETF guy, I would still welcome = the opportunity to meet with new meeting attendees. Perhaps a virtual = sign-up sheet with interests, who is already going, and venue information? Yet another Wiki for Henrik to setup :-) On 7/31/07 4:37 AM, "Ved Kafle" wrote: > The idea of having some volunteers for helping participants to meet = each > other is good. > I had met some participants, specially from Asian countries, who = wanted > to meet other participants for some research discussions. > But, they could not do that because of the following two possible > reasons: > First, they were shy to introduce themselves to others (in their home > country, usually a third person introduces two persons.) > Second, they were not quite sure whether the person they intended to > meet would respond well when the responder was talking to others. >=20 > We may think of such volunteering jobs as well. >=20 > Ved >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Luigi Iannone [mailto:luigi.iannone@uclouvain.be] > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:13 PM > To: Stephen Farrell > Cc: Radia Perlman; 69attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [69ATTENDEES] Networking at IETF meetings >=20 >=20 > As a newbie=20 >=20 >=20 > IMO a web page announcing a meeting point and a most likely target > Pub/Restaurant will be a nice initiative. >=20 >=20 > If there are volunteers, each evening someone can propose something > different. >=20 >=20 > Luigi =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Le 31-juil.-07 =E0 05:04, Stephen Farrell a =E9crit : >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > As anti-social as I am (in absolute terms, relatively > gregarious in IETF-terms:-), I think that Radia's is > a great idea. >=20 >=20 > Some of the best IETF evenings I've enjoyed have involved > outrageously silly misunderstandings of some random person's > opinions (incl. mine:-) - almost all of which have been far > better than any $8 welcome-reception beer. >=20 >=20 > I'd tweak Radia's suggestion to start from a booze-place from > which expeditions to food could be launched, but basically an > unabmiguous yes to willful dinner mingling at IETFs... >=20 >=20 > (...so long as each diner is happy to appear silly. I can > offer guidance: IMO, willingness to appear silly is the most > common characteristic of IETF-folks to whom I personallly pay > attention. They, and I, don't of course, always recall this:-) >=20 >=20 > S. >=20 >=20 > Radia Perlman wrote: > One of the most valuable parts of an IETF > meeting is meeting people you don't already know. Lunches and > dinners are great opportunities for this. > I notice, though, > that there are a lot of shy people that either wind up eating alone, > or with their colleagues. > Some dinner groups actually want to be exclusive, because they are > specifically there to talk about some arcane thing. But a lot of > groups are happy to include others. > I'd suggest that in future IETFs there be a canonical meeting place > for groups of people that are happy to include other people, and > that it be clear that if you see a group of IETF types hanging around > that spot at approximately mealtimes, it is explicitly encouraged for > people to wander up to groups and say "can I join you for dinner?" > Snooty groups would be encouraged to gather someplace else. > Radia > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees >=20 >=20 > Luigi Iannone >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > luigi.iannone@uclouvain.be >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 69ATTENDEES mailing list > 69ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/69attendees Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may contain = information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and affiliated = entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted and/or = legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual = or entity named in this message. 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