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Shahid = Raza
PhD, Senior = Researcher

Networked Embedded Systems = group
Swedish Institute of Computer Science (SICS)
SICS Swedish = ICT, Stockholm, = Sweden
Ph. No. +46 768831797

Research Interests: IoT, Security, = WSNs
Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-mariager-6lo-v6over-dect-ule-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHPTrT6nqZJ2UOZLkyo6L8Od/MsH5sBiyVg Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:45:17 +0000 Message-ID: <21042_1396622718_533EC57E_21042_2778_1_8F1D83ADCC1AC94186A867BEE9B7D91306E122A1@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <20140402204851.29941.52954.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20140402204851.29941.52954.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.197.38.2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.0.3.2322014, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2014.4.4.52715 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6lo/o-WiOYcpts76og4UEjfPFmi59Qc Subject: Re: [6lo] New Version Notification for draft-mariager-6lo-v6over-dect-ule-02.txt X-BeenThere: 6lo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list 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ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197A61A06F0 for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 03:26:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.312 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.312 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fGXHQmZ6jIhz for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 03:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-da01.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.24]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF3C1A018D for <6lo@ietf.org>; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 03:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.56]) by mgw-da01.nokia.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id s37APV6F026238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Apr 2014 13:25:32 +0300 Received: from 008-AM1MPN1-051.mgdnok.nokia.com ([169.254.1.12]) by 008-AM1MMR1-001.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.56]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.002; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 10:25:31 +0000 From: To: , Thread-Topic: Comments on draft-ietf-6lo-btle-00 Thread-Index: Ac9IgprZdpBKHuPxR0ij8vNKky8yVwBMnLFQAiVgg0A= Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 10:25:31 +0000 Message-ID: <916CE6CF87173740BC8A2CE44309696204A2DA51@008-AM1MPN1-051.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <529718aa87a44aae8cd0124670f926ed@BY2PR03MB412.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <916CE6CF87173740BC8A2CE44309696204A09BF1@008-AM1MPN1-053.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <916CE6CF87173740BC8A2CE44309696204A09BF1@008-AM1MPN1-053.mgdnok.nokia.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.22.204.121] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Nokia-AV: Clean Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6lo/pYnUOptDpIB6L24Q-Cds4h4M3Ks Cc: 6lo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6lo] Comments on draft-ietf-6lo-btle-00 X-BeenThere: 6lo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for the 6lo WG for Internet Area issues in IPv6 over constrained node networks." <6lo.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 10:26:17 -0000 Dave, Returning to this point: >>> As described in the >>> Section 3.2 the master will not forward link-local multicast messages=20 >>> to other slaves connected to the master. >>This is unclear. Is the link presented to IP as a multicast-capable=20 >>interface or not? =A0If not, then "link-local" doesn't belong in the=20 >>quote and of course a bunch of protocols just won't work (just like they = don't work on any other NBMA link). >>It seems odd to say that it will forward multicast messages of scopes=20 >>greater than link local, but not forward link-local ones. >The text indeed seems to be confusing. I think the master should not forwa= rd multicast of greater scopes either... >The IP link-local multicasting is actually a topic I could discuss further= with my coauthors and also take to BT SIG discussions - to >gauge views in= there (e.g. on service discovery on top of IP...). After some (but not very many discussions) it seems that it might be wisest= to change this to allow multicast (link-local and so forth) in order to al= low e.g. IP-based service discovery protocols to operate. I think it goes without saying that in order to conserve batteries, it woul= d be important to minimize unwanted multicast traffic sent to constrained n= odes. Do you think if any text on that regard should be added herein? E.g. = about MLD snooping? Best regards, Teemu From nobody Mon Apr 7 06:00:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FE71A0701 for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 06:00:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.312 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.312 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zuYjYMZeVSea for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 06:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-da02.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.26]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47241A06FB for <6lo@ietf.org>; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 06:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.47]) by mgw-da02.nokia.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id s37CxAQt027353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=OK) for <6lo@ietf.org>; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 15:59:57 +0300 Received: from 008-AM1MPN1-051.mgdnok.nokia.com ([169.254.1.12]) by 008-AM1MMR1-013.mgdnok.nokia.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.002; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 12:59:29 +0000 From: To: <6lo@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: Opinions for draft-savolainen-6lo-optimal-transmission-window-00 ? Thread-Index: Ac9SYO0sNrjpXUaVQqKKri0AdIaPNw== Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 12:59:29 +0000 Message-ID: <916CE6CF87173740BC8A2CE44309696204A2DC11@008-AM1MPN1-051.mgdnok.nokia.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.22.204.121] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Nokia-AV: Clean Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6lo/-uEcCT7cUVfv6kDR6Ke6yWFnaDU Subject: [6lo] Opinions for draft-savolainen-6lo-optimal-transmission-window-00 ? X-BeenThere: 6lo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for the 6lo WG for Internet Area issues in IPv6 over constrained node networks." <6lo.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 13:00:14 -0000 (retransmission with few mods) At the IETF#89 6lo WG meeting I had following questions regarding http://to= ols.ietf.org/id/draft-savolainen-6lo-optimal-transmission-window-00.txt (fo= r which the following IPR disclosure has been made: https://datatracker.iet= f.org/ipr/1802/ ): 1) Any thoughts on the presented problem? 2) Do you know of other access networks where such costs are present? 3) Any thoughts on the proposed solution and its usefulness? 4) Is the work under the scope of this WG - or would e.g. 6man be better? I would like to solicit opinions from the WG to the abovementioned question= . ------- Below some additional thoughts from me: One comment during the WG session was that why the gateway could not postpo= ne a packet. In case of CoAP the default retransmission timeout is 2-3 seco= nds (ACK_TIMEOUT * ACK_RANDOM_FACTOR). This provides very little room for g= ateway to maneuver as it has to leave some time for the actual round trip t= ime. If the gateway could add only one second of additional latency, it wou= ld not really help at all due 3GPP networks' design. If local nodes would b= e already transmitting very close to each other they would already avoid th= e radio activation costs - and if transmitting far from each other, the one= second would not make any difference. The postponing would start helping o= nly if packets could be delayed for tens of seconds or minutes (or tens of = minutes). But I don't believe clients would be able to accept such latencie= s without using some delay tolerant protocols. If packets, such as IP packets or perhaps CoAP packets, would be colored fo= r QoS handling, then things would be different. But that kind of schemes ar= e not in place AFAIK. Proxies could provide some help, but would come with all the trouble of pro= xying. The draft proposal allows window intervals that should apply to several sce= narios.=20 - For example, if the gateway is a mobile handset with half an hour interva= l used for waking up internal applications, the handset could share this in= terval to devices it is acting as gateway for - hence during a single wake-= up cycle internal apps would be woken up to do their tricks and served 6low= pan nodes to transmit their resource updates. - In another example, in some deployment where more frequent updates are ne= eded, a headless battery-powered gateway could configure 30 second window i= nterval for local nodes, and possibly save significantly (e.g. when compare= d to waking up every 15 seconds due unsynchronized local nodes). The incentive for 6lowpan nodes (or other types of nodes) to follow the tr= ansmission window guidance for periodic communications is clear: the longer= the battery on the gateway lasts, the longer the node using the gateway *h= as* Internet connectivity.. The proposed solution will help as long as there are at least two periodica= lly communicating nodes: - a mobile handset with email/IM/etc app and a laptop connected through it = (e.g. via WiFi tethering) - a mobile handset with email/IM/etc and one 6lowpan node connected through= it (e.g. via BT tethering) - a headless gateway and two 6lowpan nodes connected through it (e.g. 802.1= 5.4) Best regards, Teemu From nobody Mon Apr 7 06:46:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532D01A0708 for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 06:46:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hp7s09n3t0W9 for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 06:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2lp0204.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.204]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07AB41A0426 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 06:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BY2PR03MB412.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.141.25) by BY2PR03MB412.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.141.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.913.9; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 13:46:38 +0000 Received: from BY2PR03MB412.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.141.25]) by BY2PR03MB412.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.141.25]) with mapi id 15.00.0913.002; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 13:46:38 +0000 From: Dave Thaler To: "Savolainen Teemu (Nokia-CTO/Tampere)" , "draft-ietf-6lo-btle@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Comments on draft-ietf-6lo-btle-00 Thread-Index: Ac9IgprZdpBKHuPxR0ij8vNKky8yVwBMnLFQAiVgg0AAB08HcA== Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 13:46:37 +0000 Message-ID: <75cff94a449642c39a36a0fe9ebcf2ed@BY2PR03MB412.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> References: <529718aa87a44aae8cd0124670f926ed@BY2PR03MB412.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <916CE6CF87173740BC8A2CE44309696204A09BF1@008-AM1MPN1-053.mgdnok.nokia.com>, <916CE6CF87173740BC8A2CE44309696204A2DA51@008-AM1MPN1-051.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <916CE6CF87173740BC8A2CE44309696204A2DA51@008-AM1MPN1-051.mgdnok.nokia.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [76.112.113.148] x-forefront-prvs: 0174BD4BDA x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009001)(428001)(377454003)(189002)(199002)(74502001)(80976001)(83072002)(47446002)(76482001)(56776001)(95416001)(92566001)(76786001)(81816001)(47736001)(74662001)(81542001)(76576001)(81342001)(31966008)(49866001)(85852003)(74316001)(98676001)(16236675002)(66066001)(93516002)(81686001)(54356001)(47976001)(46102001)(94316002)(99396002)(74366001)(54316002)(4396001)(86362001)(33646001)(93136001)(95666003)(69226001)(87936001)(85306002)(83322001)(2656002)(97336001)(59766001)(74876001)(77982001)(94946001)(63696002)(80022001)(20776003)(87266001)(97186001)(50986001)(19580405001)(56816005)(65816001)(79102001)(53806001)(74706001)(19580395003)(76796001)(90146001)(24736002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR03MB412; H:BY2PR03MB412.namprd03.prod.outlook.com; FPR:BC7CD427.AF125C61.3D19C8B.8ED8E960.202D9; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (: microsoft.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_75cff94a449642c39a36a0fe9ebcf2edBY2PR03MB412namprd03pro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.onmicrosoft.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6lo/Lo4_djWyHJV9rVNNwoz8Ntd_8SY Cc: "6lo@ietf.org" <6lo@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [6lo] Comments on draft-ietf-6lo-btle-00 X-BeenThere: 6lo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for the 6lo WG for Internet Area issues in IPv6 over constrained node networks." <6lo.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 13:46:51 -0000 --_000_75cff94a449642c39a36a0fe9ebcf2edBY2PR03MB412namprd03pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes I think it should mention MLD snooping as either a MUST or a SHOULD. Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Savolainen Teemu (Nokia-CTO/Tampere) Sent: =FD4/=FD7/=FD2014 6:25 AM To: Dave Thaler; draft-ietf-6lo-btle@tools.ie= tf.org Cc: 6lo@ietf.org Subject: RE: Comments on draft-ietf-6lo-btle-00 Dave, Returning to this point: >>> As described in the >>> Section 3.2 the master will not forward link-local multicast messages >>> to other slaves connected to the master. >>This is unclear. Is the link presented to IP as a multicast-capable >>interface or not? If not, then "link-local" doesn't belong in the >>quote and of course a bunch of protocols just won't work (just like they = don't work on any other NBMA link). >>It seems odd to say that it will forward multicast messages of scopes >>greater than link local, but not forward link-local ones. >The text indeed seems to be confusing. I think the master should not forwa= rd multicast of greater scopes either... >The IP link-local multicasting is actually a topic I could discuss further= with my coauthors and also take to BT SIG discussions - to >gauge views in= there (e.g. on service discovery on top of IP...). After some (but not very many discussions) it seems that it might be wisest= to change this to allow multicast (link-local and so forth) in order to al= low e.g. IP-based service discovery protocols to operate. I think it goes without saying that in order to conserve batteries, it woul= d be important to minimize unwanted multicast traffic sent to constrained n= odes. Do you think if any text on that regard should be added herein? E.g. = about MLD snooping? Best regards, Teemu --_000_75cff94a449642c39a36a0fe9ebcf2edBY2PR03MB412namprd03pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes I think i= t should mention MLD snooping as either a MUST or a SHOULD.

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Savolainen Teemu (Nokia-CTO/Tamper= e)
Sent: =FD4/= =FD7/=FD2014 6:25 AM
To: Dave Thaler; draft-ietf-6lo-btle@t= ools.ietf.org
Cc: 6lo@ietf.org
Subject: RE: C= omments on draft-ietf-6lo-btle-00

Dave,

Returning to this point:

>>> As described in the
>>> Section 3.2 the master will not forward link-local multicast m= essages
>>> to other slaves connected to the master.
>>This is unclear. Is the link presented to IP as a multicast-capable=
>>interface or not? If not, then "link-local" doesn't= belong in the
>>quote and of course a bunch of protocols just won't work (just like= they don't work on any other NBMA link).
>>It seems odd to say that it will forward multicast messages of scop= es
>>greater than link local, but not forward link-local ones.
>The text indeed seems to be confusing. I think the master should not fo= rward multicast of greater scopes either...
>The IP link-local multicasting is actually a topic I could discuss furt= her with my coauthors and also take to BT SIG discussions - to >gauge vi= ews in there (e.g. on service discovery on top of IP...).

After some (but not very many discussions) it seems that it might be wisest= to change this to allow multicast (link-local and so forth) in order to al= low e.g. IP-based service discovery protocols to operate.

I think it goes without saying that in order to conserve batteries, it woul= d be important to minimize unwanted multicast traffic sent to constrained n= odes. Do you think if any text on that regard should be added herein? E.g. = about MLD snooping?

Best regards,

Teemu

--_000_75cff94a449642c39a36a0fe9ebcf2edBY2PR03MB412namprd03pro_-- From nobody Mon Apr 7 07:34:44 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E551A045A for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 07:34:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.012 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DoK3xKLNVISW for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 07:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.saloits.com (saloits.com [208.42.140.127]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B4A1A070F for <6lo@ietf.org>; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 07:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.255.119] (thinkpad2.saloits.com [192.168.255.119]) by mail.saloits.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id s37EXgBM012131; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 09:33:43 -0500 Message-ID: <5342B744.3020506@saloits.com> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 09:33:40 -0500 From: "Timothy J. Salo" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "draft-ietf-6lo-btle@tools.ietf.org" References: <529718aa87a44aae8cd0124670f926ed@BY2PR03MB412.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <529718aa87a44aae8cd0124670f926ed@BY2PR03MB412.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6lo/2U5W7h6WhwAz8NAnCHYwRLvMp40 Cc: "6lo@ietf.org" <6lo@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [6lo] Comments on draft-ietf-6lo-btle-00 X-BeenThere: 6lo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for the 6lo WG for Internet Area issues in IPv6 over constrained node networks." <6lo.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 14:34:42 -0000 > or not? If not, then "link-local" doesn't belong in the quote and of > course a bunch of protocols just won't work > (just like they don't work on any other NBMA link). Typically some sort of multicast/broadcast emulation has been provided for NBMA links. For ATM, RFC 2684 specified a multicast address resolution server (MARS), which could be used in conjunction with a multicast server, while the ATM Forum's LAN Emulation included a multicast/broadcast emulation service. I don't recall that a multicast emulation service was provided for frame relay, but frame relay was largely used as an inexpensive replacement for point-to-point leased lines, not as a LAN. I have, somewhat tongue-in-cheek, called this the IETF's "make everything look like an Ethernet strategy". Well, I thought it was a joke, until someone proposed this for manets. In all fairness, I believe this was proposed by a netconf person, not a manet person. But, perhaps the lesson is that much of the IETF doesn't really think much about non-tradition media and networks. -tjs From nobody Mon Apr 7 15:56:44 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40221A0816 for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 15:56:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.347, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BxvlzJwftSjo for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 15:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emea01-db3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com 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<6lo.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 15:17:29 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IPv6 over Networks of Resource-constrained Nodes Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definition of Managed Objects for IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Networks (6LoWPANs) Authors : Juergen Schoenwaelder Anuj Sehgal Tina Tsou Cathy Zhou Filename : draft-ietf-6lo-lowpan-mib-01.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2014-04-08 Abstract: This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it defines objects for managing IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Networks (6LoWPANs). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6lo-lowpan-mib/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6lo-lowpan-mib-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6lo-lowpan-mib-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Apr 8 08:21:36 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B0E1A042D for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 8 Apr 2014 08:21:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.878 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.878 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CoBmrVt2fKJ7 for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 8 Apr 2014 08:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB361A0420 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Tue, 8 Apr 2014 08:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D9DFD7 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Tue, 8 Apr 2014 17:21:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id qip4P-Ww6VSL for <6lo@ietf.org>; Tue, 8 Apr 2014 17:21:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS for <6lo@ietf.org>; Tue, 8 Apr 2014 17:21:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3056520033 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Tue, 8 Apr 2014 17:21:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IDj2rtuoMBl2; Tue, 8 Apr 2014 17:21:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8C62002F; Tue, 8 Apr 2014 17:21:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 163AC2C2C7EE; Tue, 8 Apr 2014 17:21:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 17:21:25 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: 6lo@ietf.org Message-ID: <20140408152125.GA6864@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: 6lo@ietf.org, Anuj Sehgal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6lo/ubnzLJt-XdiD2jzupcOzoVHXl4c Cc: Anuj Sehgal Subject: [6lo] draft-ietf-6lo-lowpan-mib-01 posted X-BeenThere: 6lo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: "Mailing list for the 6lo WG for Internet Area issues in IPv6 over constrained node networks." <6lo.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 15:21:34 -0000 Hi, we have posted a revision of the LOWPAN-MIB: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6lo-lowpan-mib-01 The only change is the introduction of a table providing per interface statistics. We believe the document is technically complete and ready for WG last call. /js and Anuj -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Apr 10 12:33:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767DF1A02F4 for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 12:33:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CcXTHsb8YwwB for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 12:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2lp0241.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.241]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C489C1A02E9 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 12:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BY2PR04MB807.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (10.141.224.149) by BY2PR04MB807.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (10.141.224.149) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.913.9; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:33:21 +0000 Received: from BY2PR04MB807.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.224.149]) by BY2PR04MB807.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.224.149]) with mapi id 15.00.0913.002; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:33:21 +0000 From: "Popa, Daniel" To: Samita Chakrabarti Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-popa-6lo-6loplc-ipv6-over-ieee19012-networks-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHPTH3uN6k++4VAmUymxNY98WU6Bpr6ZbRggAGLRcCAD12BQg== Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:33:21 +0000 Message-ID: <08850213-2B8A-4676-BF67-18B003766DDC@itron.com> References: <20140331010944.28854.74680.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [90.84.145.80] x-forefront-prvs: 0177904E6B x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019001)(6009001)(428001)(24454002)(35754003)(13464003)(51704005)(55784002)(377424004)(199002)(189002)(53754006)(377454003)(80022001)(77982001)(66066001)(46102001)(92726001)(79102001)(4396001)(33656001)(83072002)(20776003)(86362001)(2656002)(15202345003)(82746002)(87936001)(31966008)(80976001)(85852003)(81342001)(83716003)(81542001)(19580395003)(99286001)(19580405001)(76482001)(74502001)(99396002)(76176999)(50986999)(74662001)(83322001)(15975445006)(92566001)(54356999)(77096999)(36756003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR04MB807; H:BY2PR04MB807.namprd04.prod.outlook.com; FPR:ECF0FDAD.AFF2E301.D5D0F379.46E55251.205A2; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (: itron.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: itron.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6lo/SEbSEGz8jbrOydYi-CXkioHC-j8 Cc: "6lo-chairs@tools.ietf.org" <6lo-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, Cisco-Johnathan Hui , "6lo@ietf.org" <6lo@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [6lo] New Version Notification for draft-popa-6lo-6loplc-ipv6-over-ieee19012-networks-00.txt X-BeenThere: 6lo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for the 6lo WG for Internet Area issues in IPv6 over constrained node networks." <6lo.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:33:27 -0000 Hi Samita, Thank you for your feedback. Responses within your lines. Regards, Daniel Sent from my iPhone > On 1 avr. 2014, at 03:14, "Samita Chakrabarti" wrote: >=20 > Hi Daniel/Jonathan: >=20 >=20 > This work seems to make sense to me for PLC communication. >=20 > Out of curiosity, is it Homeplug that might be interested in this draft? = Do you have any plans/dependency of your draft with another SDO? >=20 DP> Indeed, HomePlug has started a certification and interoperability progr= am for IEEE 1901.2 technology, called Netricity. DP> I expect this draft will be used in the work done in Netricity program.= But how exactly this draft will be used by Netricity will depend on the ch= oice of Netricity WG members. > By reading the draft briefly , I see there are two major differences : no= fragmentation at 6lowpan layer is recommended and the MTU size at MAC la= yer is 1280 byte and at L2, IEEE 1901.2 takes care of the fragmentation due= to lower PHY MTU size. >=20 > Other thing I notice that it mandates (MUST) RFC6282. >=20 > Question: Why is the fragmentation "NOT RECOMMMENDED" as opposed to "MUS= T NOT" ? >=20 DP> We initially used "MUST NOT" but then changed our mind and decided to f= irst get feedback from 6lo WG and other users of the 1901.2 technology on t= his item. Here, even if we believe 6lowpan fragmentation must not be used, = we want to be sure we did not miss any use case where 6LowPan fragmentation= may be required on top of 1901.2 MAC fragmentation. > The draft mentions that PLC supports Mesh and star topology support like = IEEE 802.15.4. Does 6lowpan implementation on IEEE 1901.2 use any mesh L2 = implementation underneath? DP> We do not want to broaden the scope of the draft beyond specifying the = use of 6LowPan header compression and fragmentation of IPv6 packets, when t= ransmitting IPv6 packets over 1901.2 networks. DP> we believe that the decision on how the routing will work in these netw= orks, route over or mesh under, is the prerogative of system implementers a= nd/or industry alliances that will define profiles. >=20 > Does 6lo-over-PLC need RFC6577 support at all? Please add a section on i= ts impact on 6lowpan-nd. If it is used, then what sections are used. If it = does not, then please provide a few lines of explanations and describe how = the IPv6 addresses are assigned and the nodes are rebooted with IPv6 addres= ses and communicate with each other. >=20 DP> Again, our preference is to not go beyond specification of use of 6LowP= an IPv6 header compression and fragmentation.=20 DP> We expect that the behaviors you mentioned ( IPv6 addr config, use or n= ot of IPv6 neighbor discovery optimizations, etc.) will be specified by ind= ustry alliances and/or system implementers. DP> We can add a few lines in the applicability statement section, stating = the above explained obiective. Will this satisfy your questions?=20 > Also please review the 6lowpan-mib document and see if that can be used f= or this stack as well ?=20 >=20 DP> We will review it. > Best regards, > -Samita >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: 6lo [mailto:6lo-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Popa, Daniel > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:51 PM > To: 6lo@ietf.org > Cc: '6lo-chairs@tools.ietf.org'; Cisco-Johnathan Hui > Subject: [6lo] TR: New Version Notification for draft-popa-6lo-6loplc-ipv= 6-over-ieee19012-networks-00.txt >=20 > Hello all, >=20 > A new draft has been submitted to 6lo WG with the objective of getting WG= adoption. =20 >=20 > This draft describes the transmission of IPv6 packets over IEEE 1901.2 na= rrowband powerline communication networks.=20 >=20 > Regards, > Daniel >=20 >=20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] Envoy=E9 = : lundi 31 mars 2014 03:10 =C0 : Popa, Daniel; Jonathan W. Hui Objet : New = Version Notification for draft-popa-6lo-6loplc-ipv6-over-ieee19012-networks= -00.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-popa-6lo-6loplc-ipv6-over-ieee19012-networks-= 00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Daniel Popa and posted to the IETF rep= ository. >=20 > Name: draft-popa-6lo-6loplc-ipv6-over-ieee19012-networks > Revision: 00 > Title: 6LoPLC: Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 1901.2 Narro= wband Powerline Communication Networks > Document date: 2014-03-31 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 5 > URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-popa-6lo-6loplc= -ipv6-over-ieee19012-networks-00.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-popa-6lo-6loplc-ip= v6-over-ieee19012-networks/ > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-popa-6lo-6loplc-ipv6-ove= r-ieee19012-networks-00 >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > This document updates [RFC 4944], "Transmission of IPv6 Packets over > IEEE 802.15.4 Networks", and [RFC 6282], "Compression Format for IPv6 > Datagrams over IEEE 802.15.4-Based Networks", and specifies the > 6LoPLC technology: the transmission of IPv6 packets over IEEE 1901.2 > narrowband powerline communication networks. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 6lo mailing list > 6lo@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lo From nobody Mon Apr 14 15:21:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3F51A0687 for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:21:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.378 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.378 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t6uKXx5q-sa5 for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ve0-x22c.google.com (mail-ve0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22c]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4957F1A023B for <6lo@ietf.org>; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id jx11so8157328veb.17 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:21:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=herberg.name; s=dkim; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dWFqihX8Zge2cmQYA0vBHhCAJMLMMSX8EIcwBQIpTJA=; b=0bnBnHUcsXo7d9RXKkrYAgs/1ECPLd27kdCRE8FTHVkfcZ2r9b0luLE/wDm4DO0vur AxCpHMHrFg130wtVU8y9zOjgwJ/ygwwlnVf+CG0DgzGaSFTc71Esb+6fvTTvfGnxEcyy f6BBTUiWFkwzOe8pDiNz32mw8g2ep30m77DlY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dWFqihX8Zge2cmQYA0vBHhCAJMLMMSX8EIcwBQIpTJA=; b=KfIp3ah4sKOCpx5xHF8UxQ7M/Xh+vtJHR8PqaWev3f62PShwdPSYq8rqwlUrzfeCJh mSOrg/XNaWveFPh2TIXWnwzXgoRzX615l0NJldKruAsNP2R6oYBQO7uHzH3owrZpUkkx L8iqEGdt/3ENFk5lL7WhcNDJJTV/gD3IlUu5BeoeGt9WrE5HNyFDjtCGeIimVtXlgGaX pQOEQTgLkBiZ6uhGu/AN36mK58QWZ5PhqhYfWe4u1gcFFupho1wuqGzxoCQWeuv8kNd4 w0X9HUwRLOiF9wE/bEC/vBDOabW4ZfyJtDTPetaSCKxzW5xWXc6oqJ3ObQGbVMkx5NW5 B+xg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnUk06vYuPMu6Ly5hwGHgaM4M1QcRKmGeUtQoplpAMbTP33N+vKCBR3xndlwfLsc03wPxCw MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.187.9 with SMTP id fo9mr38416371vec.4.1397514062474; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.21.129 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:21:02 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ulrich Herberg To: "6lo@ietf.org" <6lo@ietf.org>, Juergen Schoenwaelder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6lo/vFs4HhsQmG2UsqqME2hiT2auFMo Subject: [6lo] WGLC of draft-ietf-6lo-lowpan-mib-01 X-BeenThere: 6lo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for the 6lo WG for Internet Area issues in IPv6 over constrained node networks." <6lo.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 22:21:07 -0000 This email initiates a WGLC of draft-ietf-6lo-lowpan-mib-01. 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Thanks Ulrich From nobody Thu Apr 24 22:58:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D021A0323; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 22:58:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.672 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.672 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_IS_IT_OUR_ACCOUNT=4.2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, LOTS_OF_MONEY=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BoeD29RaJsMz; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 22:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B58D1A02F9; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 22:58:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=17291; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1398405498; x=1399615098; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=zmu2wFCnv6eqQkD7j8UeNTpxlfO83RHF/9kGYzTpvG4=; b=lN3MAiH43hy6KTB6DC5PzzbLbU1B2JYL8GvTtWPzZtjO8+5dipQkTjjX HzM0+XAtJaF2gPr9Nm3pkhbcpOzXmyM7B6ym3Fd+6k5sTnDZQYPtVVgPV IMDZdu5B5dehTR9F98EYmpRjxGDZjJ87rWEg6Kzmn121azN90bhMOwMpW c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgQFAPv4WVOtJA2L/2dsb2JhbAA/FwOCQkRPV8QhgRcWdIInAQQtGw0RExIBKgoBAww8JAIBAQMODYg5DTarKxGfFBeOFRMtBBABBweDDIEVBIU6lQORJIJeU4FyOXg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,925,1389744000"; d="scan'208,217";a="320043277" Received: from alln-core-6.cisco.com ([173.36.13.139]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Apr 2014 05:58:16 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com [173.36.12.77]) by alln-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s3P5wGdt026042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2014 05:58:16 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.229]) by xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com ([173.36.12.77]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 00:58:16 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: Agenda webex 25 April 2014 Thread-Index: Ac9gS0vmRXqWhKkHTauvu5YCnKeHZg== Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 05:58:15 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 05:58:00 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.61.213.232] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD84261AF90xmbrcdx01ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6lo/raSEP0ViZ_Y00QCpZprX78jkKpY Cc: roll , "6lo@ietf.org" <6lo@ietf.org> Subject: [6lo] Agenda webex 25 April 2014 X-BeenThere: 6lo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for the 6lo WG for Internet Area issues in IPv6 over constrained node networks." <6lo.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 05:58:28 -0000 --_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD84261AF90xmbrcdx01ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, For today's call I'm cc'ing 6lo and ROLL since we'll be discussing a possib= ility to make a joined plugfest in Toronto. Below is the proposed agenda for this call: Agenda * Administrivia [10 min] * Approval agenda * Approval minutes last call * IETF 90 in Toronto: Registration opened; * PlugFest ? * draft-sudhaakar-6tisch-coap last call complete * 6MAN: draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl [10min] * Status on 6top discussions [10min] * Terminology discussion [20min] * Next meetings [2min] * AOB [1min] You will find the details of the call including slides etc at https://bitbu= cket.org/6tisch/meetings/wiki/140425_webex Feel free to propose any changes to the agenda by replying in this e-mail, = or at the beginning of the call. Remember that this call will be recorded. Pascal & Thomas ---- Topic: 6TiSCH Bi-Weekly Time: 8:00 am, Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco, GMT-07:00) Meeting Number: 206 802 913 Meeting Password: sixtus ------------------------------------------------------- To start the online meeting ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://ciscosales.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?ED=3D219615007&UID= =3D481905242&PW=3DNZTRkNDAwOTE1&RT=3DMiMyMw%3D%3D 2. Log in to your account. 3. Click "Start Now". 4. Follow the instructions that appear on your screen. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ALERT:Toll-Free Dial Restrictions for (408) and (919) Area Codes ---------------------------------------------------------------- The affected toll free numbers are: (866) 432-9903 for the San Jose/Milpita= s area and (866) 349-3520 for the RTP area. Please dial the local access number for your area from the list below: - San Jose/Milpitas (408) area: 525-6800 - RTP (919) area: 392-3330 ------------------------------------------------------- To join the teleconference only ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Dial into Cisco WebEx (view all Global Access Numbers at http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html 2. Follow the prompts to enter the Meeting Number (listed above) or Access = Code followed by the # sign. San Jose, CA: +1.408.525.6800 RTP: +1.919.392.3330 US/Canada: +1.866.432.9903 United Kingdom: +44.20.8824.0117 India: +91.80.4350.1111 Germany: +49.619.6773.9002 Japan: +81.3.5763.9394 China: +86.10.8515.5666 To check whether you have the appropriate players installed for UCF (Univer= sal Communications Format) rich media files, go to https://ciscosales.webex= .com/ciscosales/systemdiagnosis.php http://www.webex.com CCM:+14085256800x206802913 --_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD84261AF90xmbrcdx01ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear All,

For today’s call I’m cc’ing 6lo an= d ROLL since we’ll be discussing a possibility to make a joined plugf= est in Toronto.

Below is the proposed agenda for this call:

Agenda

Administrivia [10 min]
- Approval agenda
- Approval minutes last call
- PlugFest ?
- draft-sudhaakar-6tisch-coap last call complete
6MAN: draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl [10min]
Status on 6top discussions [10min]
Terminology discussion [20min]
Next meetings [2min]
AOB [1min]

You will find the details of the call including slid= es etc at https://bitbucket.org/6tisch/meetings/wiki/140425_webex<= /a>

Feel free to propose any changes to the agenda by re= plying in this e-mail, or at the beginning of the call.

Remember that this call will be recorded.=

Pascal & Thomas

----

Topic: 6TiSCH Bi-Weekly

Time: 8:00 am, Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco,= GMT-07:00)

Meeting Number: 206 802 913

Meeting Password: sixtus

----------------------------------------------------= ---

To start the online meeting

----------------------------------------------------= ---

1. Go to https://ciscosales.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?ED=3D219615007&UID=3D4819= 05242&PW=3DNZTRkNDAwOTE1&RT=3DMiMyMw%3D%3D

2. Log in to your account.

3. Click "Start Now".

4. Follow the instructions that appear on your scree= n.

----------------------------------------------------= ------------

ALERT:Toll-Free Dial Restrictions for (408) and (919= ) Area Codes

----------------------------------------------------= ------------

The affected toll free numbers are: (866) 432-9903 f= or the San Jose/Milpitas area and (866) 349-3520 for the RTP area.

Please dial the local access number for your area fr= om the list below:

- San Jose/Milpitas (408) area: 525-6800<= /p>

- RTP (919) area: 392-3330

----------------------------------------------------= ---

To join the teleconference only

----------------------------------------------------= ---

1. Dial into Cisco WebEx (view all Global Access Num= bers at

http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/con= ferencing/index.html

2. Follow the prompts to enter the Meeting Number (l= isted above) or Access Code followed by the # sign.

San Jose, CA: +1.408.525.6800 RTP: +1.919.39= 2.3330

US/Canada: +1.866.432.9903 United Kingdom: += 44.20.8824.0117

India: +91.80.4350.1111 Germany: +49.619.677= 3.9002

Japan: +81.3.5763.9394 China: +86.10.8515.56= 66

To check whether you have the appropriate players in= stalled for UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files, go to htt= ps://ciscosales.webex.com/ciscosales/systemdiagnosis.php

http://www.webex.co= m

CCM:+14085256800x206802913

--_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD84261AF90xmbrcdx01ciscoc_-- From nobody Fri Apr 25 12:15:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9338D1A0365 for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:15:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.378 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.378 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H-frXFBayIey for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x235.google.com (mail-vc0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::235]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85AD51A02F2 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id id10so5181290vcb.26 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:14:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=herberg.name; s=dkim; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=g/Eeaz3VPhB84XHy7y+Qi1kzBuSF5ldVPlf9mw8VctM=; b=yQg3o3WDiquMESszQTNNImZ83iO+3EBBjTyClH4DHGRVmhy9KTgqWXdCNn7dh6SZ4C 40hXFNoLxObBnVSePvS5rSGI3HcFewHZdss36p7SXTRVtG0/Lnwq5a4FvKq3QMYzJb6t Hu7xD8+ZHyFKZ/f1wwjKhDU2XDSsMlmFOda04= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=g/Eeaz3VPhB84XHy7y+Qi1kzBuSF5ldVPlf9mw8VctM=; b=FZQNr+lscNuxj+6lZ1EUAFwV3oNc2EvGzno7cmKMFuHwB8DU0TQyAREf2Mbiq0/BTA Z+V5LE4ckn/IbOprY07cV5yOhG1JkEgf1MKl1KhmD8WW/YyNXQNml+7Ugo4b5ohYEFyi WZwxkgVHEY87PArRBhg74iyCjyG00rs6RncSgPw3vDDygrb2aS4BUXYsoejZ6j/OdIzO +lvUDA/Zrs8z1DC+9rTKJBAxjqgk99Ba9gv0HiKP8qww6Qi0FnzzqhrzNZnTLikqE+HA mrGhUYs+snrsTRLgsfMHgUmAjtgBLfn6s6R/IbbzOu8jPF3A2oEpZuR8d4wvC9UwtPqI TRmA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnPshE4ZqbDh7HfPTdfjXNT0gF5eDjgI25zx38RkoGOg5YeJ49rpd7Lm6L9UrP4zleGwLEw MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.12.66 with SMTP id w2mr7970764vcw.15.1398453295705; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.21.129 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:14:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:14:55 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ulrich Herberg To: "6lo@ietf.org" <6lo@ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6lo/S4QTnKS-wFOyunAeBs03yowezIA Subject: Re: [6lo] WGLC of draft-ietf-6lo-lowpan-mib-01 X-BeenThere: 6lo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for the 6lo WG for Internet Area issues in IPv6 over constrained node networks." <6lo.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 19:15:04 -0000 Gentle reminder: The WGLC ends in three days. Please send comments by April 28. Best regards Ulrich On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Ulrich Herberg wrote: > This email initiates a WGLC of draft-ietf-6lo-lowpan-mib-01. Please > send your comments and reviews to the 6lo list by April 28. > > > Thanks > Ulrich From nobody Wed Apr 30 04:34:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8EAD1A0821 for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 04:34:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.443 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.443 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PPHcskKYJtIP for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 04:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.27]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE1E1A6F49 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 04:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roundcube.xs4all.nl (roundcube11.xs4all.net [194.109.20.209]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s3UBYOcb065853 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 13:34:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stokcons@xs4all.nl) Received: from a82-95-140-48.adsl.xs4all.nl ([82.95.140.48]) by roundcube.xs4all.nl with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Wed, 30 Apr 2014 13:34:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 13:34:24 +0200 From: peter van der Stok To: 6lo@ietf.org Organization: vanderstok consultancy Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <082b02ac1f2fff9aa935620b739042c5@xs4all.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@xs4all.nl (0zGekl5ochQ4YEM4oEc+hWRe3Lt9/OaS) User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6lo/qNrFiP5FdXqqTEqSXYFV-50qZvY Subject: Re: [6lo] WGLC of draft-ietf-6lo-lowpan-mib-01 X-BeenThere: 6lo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org List-Id: "Mailing list for the 6lo WG for Internet Area issues in IPv6 over constrained node networks." <6lo.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:34:33 -0000 Hi Juergen, Thanks for introducing the sequences with interface separation. To reduce storage space I want to propose a modification. I see that objects are defined with name lowpanObject, and that a SEQUENCE lowpanIfStatsTable with sequence attributes lowpanIfObject is defined. I wonder whether the lowpanObjects cannot be suppressed because their contents is the same as the value of all lowpanIfObjects summed over all interfaces. Given that for small devices only one interface is present this modification would save quite some space for those. For larger devices the extra transport of the value of all interfaces instead of the sum seems acceptable to me. Greetings, Peter Ulrich Herberg schreef op 2014-04-25 21:14: > Gentle reminder: The WGLC ends in three days. Please send comments by > April 28. > > Best regards > Ulrich > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Ulrich Herberg > wrote: >> This email initiates a WGLC of draft-ietf-6lo-lowpan-mib-01. Please >> send your comments and reviews to the 6lo list by April 28. >> >> >> Thanks >> Ulrich > > _______________________________________________ > 6lo mailing list > 6lo@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lo From nobody Wed Apr 30 05:03:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8BB1A0727 for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 05:02:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vtRbFKNTALga for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 05:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBA31A0831 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 05:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594641110; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:02:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id zXyXO-K7MyoU; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:02:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:02:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6541620069; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:02:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HDKp9glDGbot; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:02:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6D120048; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:02:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4A6D32CC5CEC; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:02:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:02:04 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Message-ID: <20140430120204.GA30859@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org, 6lo@ietf.org References:

<082b02ac1f2fff9aa935620b739042c5@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <082b02ac1f2fff9aa935620b739042c5@xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6lo/SbxoVQ8EB_5mQM-iHBowILqFKbg Cc: 6lo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6lo] WGLC of draft-ietf-6lo-lowpan-mib-01 X-BeenThere: 6lo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: "Mailing list for the 6lo WG for Internet Area issues in IPv6 over constrained node networks." <6lo.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 12:02:59 -0000 On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 01:34:24PM +0200, peter van der Stok wrote: > Hi Juergen, > > Thanks for introducing the sequences with interface separation. > To reduce storage space I want to propose a modification. > I see that objects are defined with name lowpanObject, and that a > SEQUENCE lowpanIfStatsTable with > sequence attributes lowpanIfObject is defined. > > I wonder whether the lowpanObjects cannot be suppressed because their > contents is the same as the value of all lowpanIfObjects summed over all > interfaces. > > Given that for small devices only one interface is present this > modification would save quite some space for those. > For larger devices the extra transport of the value of all interfaces > instead of the sum seems acceptable to me. But then you require that _all_ implementations support per interface statistics. The current setup allows per interface statistics but does not require them. Note that you can sum things up in the agent if you happen to have per interface statistics and hence additional storage is not required for the counters. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed Apr 30 06:36:46 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1676D1A08CB for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:36:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.673 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.673 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DEAR_SOMETHING=1.973, J_CHICKENPOX_46=0.6] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kR5Nx5P5npYv for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com (uillean.fuaim.com [206.197.161.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3084C1A08C8 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (clairseach-high.fuaim.com [206.197.161.158]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F393E880DB for <6lo@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1025238104.rudm2.ra.johnshopkins.edu (addr16212925014.ippl.jhmi.edu [162.129.250.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by clairseach.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5677871B0001 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5360FC68.3050008@innovationslab.net> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 09:36:40 -0400 From: Brian Haberman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "6lo@ietf.org" <6lo@ietf.org> References: <98CD33A61CF47E4382945F1FE4F34C361C02A76E66@Bowmore.bluetooth.local> In-Reply-To: <98CD33A61CF47E4382945F1FE4F34C361C02A76E66@Bowmore.bluetooth.local> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <98CD33A61CF47E4382945F1FE4F34C361C02A76E66@Bowmore.bluetooth.local> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Jdw8WOuafiRAPalJsBSbGnWLpBjTsTsUk" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6lo/hUu5mImCM188TTg3PeZYyO55s-g Subject: [6lo] Update from BT SIG X-BeenThere: 6lo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for the 6lo WG for Internet Area issues in IPv6 over constrained node networks." <6lo.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 13:36:45 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Jdw8WOuafiRAPalJsBSbGnWLpBjTsTsUk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, We received the following e-mail from the BT SIG executive director related to the IPv6 over BTLE draft. Regards, Brian -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Progress Related to IETF Request Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: wg-alias-bounces@tools.ietf.org Resent-To: samita.chakrabarti@ericsson.com, ulrich@herberg.name,, brian@innovationslab.net, ted.lemon@nominum.com, ted.lemon@nominum.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:35:54 -0700 From: Mark Powell To: 6lo-chairs@tools.ietf.org <6lo-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, int-ads@tools.ietf.org CC: Peter Cook Dear Internet Engineering Task Force and IETF Internet Area Directors, In December, 2012 the Bluetooth SIG received the following correspondence from you, which in part stated: "The development of this solution is technically advanced, with two prototype implementations (by Nokia and by Marcel de Kogel as part of his MSc thesis work - Marcel has made his implementation publicly available). IETF standardization-wise the document is in the IESG process, and hence in the late stages as well. This solution has one major open item: it requires an allocation of a new fixed L2CAP Channel Identifier (to distinguish IPv6 from other BT-LE traffic). As the IETF and BT SIG do not have official liaisons, we are approaching you with this email to ask if, and how, it would be possible to have a fixed channel identifier allocated for the IPv6 over Bluetooth Low-Energy specification." The Bluetooth SIG has responded to your request by doing the following: 1. Accommodated for your request in the Bluetooth Core Specification v4.1 by introducing a new L2CAP feature called Connection Oriented Channels. 2. The Internet Working Group is developing an "Internet Protocol Support Service" (IPSS) and "Internet Protocol Support Profile" (IPSP). The Bluetooth SIG believes these specifications will meet your requirements. IPSS does not allocate a fixed L2CAP channel for 6LoWPAN, instead it proposes to use L2CAP Connection Oriented Channels. It is therefore recommended that the IETF reference these specifications. The Bluetooth SIG intends to perform interoperability testing on these features this summer and fall. Final adoption of the specifications can occur approximately six weeks after completing this interoperability testing. Best regards, Mark Powell Executive Director | Bluetooth Special Interest Group, Inc. m: +1.425.999.7122 o: +1.425.691.3530 skype: mark.powell e: mpowell@bluetooth.com | www.bluetooth.com | www.bluetooth.org | ________________________________ CONFIDENTIAL: This email message and any information attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. Any unauthorized disclosure, use, copying, or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the Author and destroy the original transmission without reading or saving. Thank you. --Jdw8WOuafiRAPalJsBSbGnWLpBjTsTsUk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.20 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJTYPxoAAoJEBOZRqCi7goqOSEH/07WmGeMWKp5yv0qP9MauWPD pfAEQGFgBBeGYZmEllB0rI03TtVdEqoZKWuMCTVv0nwIDb+2qitmQEgcl/9kn7RI wYADbvn0gozAplOxqdS+Uz8kNy42qo0fH8zmz02P4vHViw+6yTyoKAUH5oNnefwo 1qp+QNOIJeQjH2KHlqnOvLuXI4h8JvfaJzYHif/ZVTjxvZlX1CB3orKX9ZuTMXc/ BaeVS2hMpgqLQkoau2tQYXeIr9yhAlbOXEqsKL4ntBPMQgZJ97r3XmAElg8AZ3hb C2mKcWckd1+AZMp0XGbnR+hmZe6b5WVJblF/kDg1KV5BuEgKNlZoIEpgUcq5zrQ= =9ev9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Jdw8WOuafiRAPalJsBSbGnWLpBjTsTsUk-- From nobody Wed Apr 30 07:30:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EECA1A08F6 for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 07:30:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.672 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.672 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DEAR_SOMETHING=1.973, J_CHICKENPOX_46=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m0GnMLVA2k48 for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 07:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nok-msg-2.service.capgemini.fi (nok-msg-2.service.capgemini.fi [145.247.12.203]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035311A08D3 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 07:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown (HELO NOKWDCFIEXCH02P.nnok.nokia.com) ([10.50.38.50]) by noi-msg-2.service.capgemini.fi with ESMTP; 30 Apr 2014 17:30:51 +0300 Received: from NOKWDCFIEXCH02P.nnok.nokia.com (10.50.38.50) by NOKWDCFIEXCH02P.nnok.nokia.com (10.50.38.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.775.38; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:30:51 +0300 Received: from NOKWDCFIEXCH02P.nnok.nokia.com ([fe80::99d1:400a:d939:3ebe]) by NOKWDCFIEXCH02P.nnok.nokia.com ([fe80::99d1:400a:d939:3ebe%17]) with mapi id 15.00.0775.031; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:30:50 +0300 From: "Savolainen Teemu (Nokia-CTO/Tampere)" To: ext Brian Haberman , "6lo@ietf.org" <6lo@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [6lo] Update from BT SIG Thread-Index: AQHPZHlJMsAD7yc7E0qt1YGrFavFG5sqNi4A Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:30:50 +0000 Message-ID: <6ac5d58a35c848e8b0b82f9e04ecdfb5@NOKWDCFIEXCH02P.nnok.nokia.com> References: <98CD33A61CF47E4382945F1FE4F34C361C02A76E66@Bowmore.bluetooth.local> <5360FC68.3050008@innovationslab.net> In-Reply-To: <5360FC68.3050008@innovationslab.net> Accept-Language: fi-FI, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.50.31.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6lo/WRG_sZiKm23GYVRiMaSFYs98gDI Subject: Re: [6lo] Update from BT SIG X-BeenThere: 6lo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for the 6lo WG for Internet Area issues in IPv6 over constrained node networks." <6lo.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:30:56 -0000 Thank you Brian, We have been updating the draft-ietf-6lo-btle to take into account below me= ntioned changes, i.e. switch to use Connection Oriented Channels and all it= implies. Updates have also been made to handle various offline comments received fro= m BT SIG, including some branding related changes, and comments from Dave T= haler, and so on. I plan to upload revised draft on Friday. Best regards, Teemu -----Original Message----- From: 6lo [mailto:6lo-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Brian Haberman Sent: 30. huhtikuuta 2014 16:37 To: 6lo@ietf.org Subject: [6lo] Update from BT SIG All, We received the following e-mail from the BT SIG executive director re= lated to the IPv6 over BTLE draft. Regards, Brian -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Progress Related to IETF Request Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: wg-alias-bounces@tools.ietf.org Resent-To: samita.chakrabarti@ericsson.com, ulrich@herberg.name,, brian@inn= ovationslab.net, ted.lemon@nominum.com, ted.lemon@nominum.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:35:54 -0700 From: Mark Powell To: 6lo-chairs@tools.ietf.org <6lo-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, int-ads@tools.ie= tf.org CC: Peter Cook Dear Internet Engineering Task Force and IETF Internet Area Directors, In December, 2012 the Bluetooth SIG received the following correspondence f= rom you, which in part stated: "The development of this solution is technically advanced, with two prototy= pe implementations (by Nokia and by Marcel de Kogel as part of his MSc thes= is work - Marcel has made his implementation publicly available). IETF stan= dardization-wise the document is in the IESG process, and hence in the late= stages as well. This solution has one major open item: it requires an allocation of a new f= ixed L2CAP Channel Identifier (to distinguish IPv6 from other BT-LE traffic= ). As the IETF and BT SIG do not have official liaisons, we are approaching yo= u with this email to ask if, and how, it would be possible to have a fixed = channel identifier allocated for the IPv6 over Bluetooth Low-Energy specifi= cation." The Bluetooth SIG has responded to your request by doing the following: 1. Accommodated for your request in the Bluetooth Core Specification v4.1 by introducing a new L2CAP feature called Connection Ori= ented Channels. 2. The Internet Working Group is developing an "Internet Protocol Support Service" (IPSS) and "Internet Protocol Support Profile" (IPSP). The Bluetooth SIG believes these specifications will meet your requi= rements. IPSS does not allocate a fixed L2CAP channel for 6LoWPAN, instead = it proposes to use L2CAP Connection Oriented Channels. It is therefore recommended that the IETF reference these specificat= ions. The Bluetooth SIG intends to perform interoperability testing on these feat= ures this summer and fall. Final adoption of the specifications can occur a= pproximately six weeks after completing this interoperability testing. Best regards, Mark Powell Executive Director | Bluetooth Special Interest Group, Inc. m: +1.425.999.7122 o: +1.425.691.3530 skype: mark.powell e: mpowell@bluetooth.com | www.bluetooth.com= | www.bluetooth.org= | ________________________________ CONFIDENTIAL: This email message and any information attached to it may con= tain confidential information that is legally privileged. Any unauthorized = disclosure, use, copying, or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you ar= e not the intended recipient, please notify the Author and destroy the orig= inal transmission without reading or saving. Thank you. From nobody Wed Apr 30 07:36:44 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02AA81A08D7 for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 07:36:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.378 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.378 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pbRClvi41_Ob for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 07:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x236.google.com (mail-vc0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F231A08D1 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 07:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id lf12so2363068vcb.27 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 07:36:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=herberg.name; s=dkim; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=sPXU8VjJB71ZiLt2oxZUhw+5UXjsaVROwr5UlQBRjLI=; b=dUXVLeI0mSLX7txSG3CO9YLDai2eTJjg+/t8SzlzjrZ5KJBsU3Vcs8hiTFjE6YAd51 pQikgS1Virp70x1PGx3aWZ6ml+lFFVO3N1SGRq0IkHz5+FJXG4ZLJRH+Syzp5zVIjIQL yHKFzynwsbMUuUHzBQ68z1nmM6/FzrT1PTghE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=sPXU8VjJB71ZiLt2oxZUhw+5UXjsaVROwr5UlQBRjLI=; b=f5plfM6a5TZp4MudyUtPfgZqu+lWWi5QFuk0VBcIzilWABl2W2Biai3a+NdqTDyKLM WJAb85hQId/ZRl/c6/aoLJoTZ72BG3sLP1uPTXIo+tazes6lJn4xUFzG6hiSJkCo9PE6 vxArjEUViIsiGljBKBH9q3gx9R5KkoarukpG2CGQRDOxfqpVjSsITeBObe6TfpcwK5pK aLf5tjHGc7SFWdjNtj01j3j73sf15Np8Iy92sDvUYyHStzykHoV6kdWrCN4KoIB4ojlF SY0ZKm7Q7dThPJdIJ8u/ZisS/rXr1pwwQpINUeVYtS2hBVKqee4bjPgVZZX9k+tu2yym ATng== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn0iqQ/yL2W4flP20NV49K0V3Li2LdgtxSjXF6v1SEDQaM3HupHRowWoYwB+kbC7qyI1PaD MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.88.8 with SMTP id bc8mr485695veb.39.1398868601145; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 07:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.21.129 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 07:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 07:36:41 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ulrich Herberg To: "6lo@ietf.org" <6lo@ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6lo/PIMtSKw5t897zTVaDP7Gz4TRfn8 Cc: Samita Chakrabarti Subject: [6lo] More feedback on draft-ietf-6lo-lowpan-mib-01 required X-BeenThere: 6lo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for the 6lo WG for Internet Area issues in IPv6 over constrained node networks." <6lo.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:36:44 -0000 Hi, the WGLC of draft-ietf-6lo-lowpan-mib-01 has completed with only one comment from Peter and otherwise no indication of support from the WG. It is not possible from this outcome to determine consensus. I ask the WG participants to express whether or not they support publication of this document, and to send any other comments or feedback. Best regards Ulrich From nobody Wed Apr 30 18:43:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC661A09B2 for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 18:42:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8rGwTggesXaE for <6lo@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 18:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web01.jbserver.net (web01.jbserver.net [IPv6:2a00:8240:6:a::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F165B1A09A9 for <6lo@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 18:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [186.134.71.66] (helo=[192.168.123.127]) by web01.jbserver.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Wfg15-0003qi-PL; Thu, 01 May 2014 03:42:28 +0200 Message-ID: <5361A67D.4010508@si6networks.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:42:21 -0300 From: Fernando Gont User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 6lo@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6lo/ff0r62uXd4At05tWx5bSWiF5dj4 Cc: 6lo-chairs@tools.ietf.org, "draft-ietf-6man-default-iids@tools.ietf.org" , Dave Thaler Subject: [6lo] Generation of IPv6 IIDs X-BeenThere: 6lo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for the 6lo WG for Internet Area issues in IPv6 over constrained node networks." <6lo.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 01:42:41 -0000 Folks, We recently contacted the 6lo chairs asking whether there were any 6lo-related documents that should be mentioned in the "Updates" of our I-D: . We briefly discussed this off-list, and they suggested that raised this on this list. Here's the summary of our exchange: Samita and Ulrich kindly noted that at least some 6lo document does IPv6 address compression on the assumption that the IID contains the underlying hardware address. On the other hand we noted that: * Some OSes (notably Microsoft Windows) have moved away from embedding MAC addresses in the IIDs (to mitigate the issues discussed in ). * Additionally, there's an existing 6man recommendation (in RFC 7136) against expecting any semantics in the IPv6 IIDs -- the IID should be treated as a string of opaque bits. Dave Thaler had already posted some related comments on this list that are related to this issue. Please see: * As noted by Dave (and also by myself), there seem to be some statements in 6lo documents which seem to go against some 6man recommendations. That said, in the specific case of header compression, you might have a case to go against the "SHOULD NOT" in -- although expecting specific semantics in the IPv6 IIDs still goes against RFC 7136. All the above said, we still wonder if there are any 6lo-related documents we should include in the "Updates" of draft-ietf-6man-default-iids. P.S.: I apologize if some of the above comments are not that timely... but I was not following the 6lo work. Thanks! Best regards, -- Fernando Gont SI6 Networks e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492