From adslmib-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 8 09:10:40 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA15759 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DJtOi-0004bN-MC for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:19:45 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DJtFt-0006tV-PT; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:10:38 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DJtFr-0006sZ-MH for adslmib@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:10:35 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA15751 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.pesa.com ([216.180.38.252]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DJtOc-0004b4-4v for adslmib@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:19:39 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:10:24 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Next Generation ADSL (ADSL2) poll Thread-Index: AcU8PFMJzAY8kTtDROyo/lbMNN+yhw== From: "Ray, Robert" To: "ADSL MIB \(E-mail\) \(E-mail\)" X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b280b4db656c3ca28dd62e5e0b03daa8 Subject: [Adslmib] Next Generation ADSL (ADSL2) poll X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0425135823==" Sender: adslmib-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: adslmib-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a87a9cdae4ac5d3fbeee75cd0026d632 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0425135823== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C53C3C.5359A6B0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53C3C.5359A6B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Moti and Menechem's draft for ADSL2 is available online at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-morgenstern-ngadsl-mib-00.txt I need a show of hands from the working group community as to who, is interested in this work, who will contribute to this work, and who = plans on using the product of this work. Having only three attendees in Minneapolis for Moti's presentation was not a very convincing display of interest. Please respond, to the list (not just to me), as soon as you can. Bob Ray ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53C3C.5359A6B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Next Generation ADSL (ADSL2) poll

Moti and Menechem's draft for ADSL2 is = available online at:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-morgenstern-ngadsl-mib-= 00.txt

I need a show of hands from the working = group community as to who,
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on using the product of this = work.

Having only three attendees in = Minneapolis for Moti's presentation was
not a very convincing display of = interest.

Please respond, to the list (not just = to me), as soon as you can.

Bob Ray



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When it is ready for comments, I plan to provide input.  Paradyne currently using an enterprise MIB module based on an interpretation of an early version of TR-090.  My take is that an IETF MIB module is needed to support ADSL2 and ADSL2plus.

My understanding is that there were some actions items from the 62nd IETF meeting.  I have indicated what I thought the actions were in blue below.

Thanks for moving this forward!

Best Regards,
Clay


ADSLMIB Working Group - Minutes
62nd IETF, Minneapolis, MN USA
March 7, 2005

2.  Faye noted that the draft and TR-090 do not support a
method of connecting multiple channels to the interface MIB.
She suggested that we petition IANA to provide another ADSL
interface type, adsl_channel, in addition to the ones
already assigned (fast and interleaved). 
Moti noted that while the model uses an index to identify
the channel in question, that he was not adverse to having
another interface type layered into the draft.  The attendees
agreed to "take it to the list".
3.  Faye pointed out a problem with multi-channel bandwidth
limitation, stating that the summation of the available
maximum bandwidth allocations should be equal to the maximum
available on the line.  Otherwise, it was an "oversubscription"
issue. 
Bob Ray pointed out that the aggregate maximum-per-
channel bandwidth (sum of channels) defined in the channel
as line impairment would render useless any assignment.
Moti stated that this discussion was pointless in that,
in his opinion and experience, no one ever subdivided an
adsl line is this way; that it was over-engineering, a
solution in search of a problem.
The chair urged the issue be "taken to the list".
4.  Faye mentioned that the draft does not maintain separate
objects for ATU-C and ATU-R as RFC 2662 does.  She argued
that having them separate was "nicer".  Moti said that the
use of the word "nicer" was subjective and he wouldn't try
to base a decision on it because of that.  Bob Ray noted that
the approach of using an index has been used in the RFC 3276
and RFC 3728. 
The chair urged the issue be "taken to the list".
7.  Faye commented that the name of Moti's draft needed to be
better than "next generation", or "ng".  Moti stated that he
didn't want to name it adsl2 as that implied restrictions as
to the scope of adsl variants the draft might address. 
Faye suggested that the issue be "taken to the list" and all
concurred.
8.  Faye again mentioned the lack of separate objects for
ATU-C and ATU-R, stating that having another index object
made it difficult to implement RFC 3276.  "Too many indices".
In response, Moti asked if there were any implementation reports
on RFC 2662 [note: a working group milestone that should be
addressed very soon now].  There was mention of two or three.
9.  Moti then discussed things that are missing in his draft.
    - test management support.  Moti is adamant that "tests"
      and "diagnostics" are distinct.  Faye asked pointedly
      if there is any user data being passed when a diagnostic
      is being run. 
    - sub-carrier snr measurement time.
    - psd masks.
Moti stated that these omissions were not because he didn't think
they should be omitted, rather that that they were complex and
required more thought.
Faye suggested that the issue about interface status during
diagnostics (up, down, under test) be taken to the list.
10. Moti briefly discussed the data returned by the diagnostics
and that it made sense, in his opinion, to have them returned
as OCTET STRINGs of fixed size rather than have an index.  It was
agreed that this was the better approach (given the overhead
associated with walking an array of bytes).  It was also noted
that the bit ordering within these values needs to be specified
in the draft.
11.  Faye noted that if the draft used ifIndex for channel
identification (see note 2, above), that Moti's "templates"
would not be needed.  Moti commented that "profile" and
"template" mean the same thing in the draft.
When Moti and Bob didn't understand how channel templates
wouldn't be needed, Faye agreed to produce an example illustrating
her point.  "On the list".
12.  There was a brief discussion as to whether the draft needed
to address ATM objects.  It was decided to leave this "for the
list".


On 4/8/2005 9:10 AM, Ray, Robert wrote:
Next Generation ADSL (ADSL2) poll

Moti and Menechem's draft for ADSL2 is available online at:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-morgenstern-ngadsl-mib-00.txt

I need a show of hands from the working group community as to who,
is interested in this work, who will contribute to this work, and who plans
on using the product of this work.

Having only three attendees in Minneapolis for Moti's presentation was
not a very convincing display of interest.

Please respond, to the list (not just to me), as soon as you can.

Bob Ray 




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Hi Bob,

Formally referring to your mail, me and M. Dodge are obviously ready to
contribute to the work.

I was as well as you very disappointed by the extremely low participation
in my presentation, but that doesn't change my opinion. For the sake of
successful migration into ADSL2 a reference MIB published by the IETF is
very much important.

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Moti and Menechem's draft for ADSL2 is available online at:


http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-morgenstern-ngadsl-mib-00.txt


I need a show of hands from the working group community as to who,
is interested in this work, who will contribute to this work, and who plans

on using the product of this work.


Having only three attendees in Minneapolis for Moti's presentation was
not a very convincing display of interest.


Please respond, to the list (not just to me), as soon as you can.


Bob Ray



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Next Generation ADSL (ADSL2) pollHi Bob,
We're very interested in all aspects you mention.
Would ideally like to actively contribute to the draft as we
have a lot of experience with ADSL2 and ADSL2 Plus management.
Please let us know how best to proceed.
Kindest Regards,
Umberto Bonollo
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NEC Australia
&
Scott Baillie
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Our contact e-mail: umberto.bonollo@nec.com.au
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  Moti and Menechem's draft for ADSL2 is available online at:

  http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-morgenstern-ngadsl-mib-00.txt

  I need a show of hands from the working group community as to who,
  is interested in this work, who will contribute to this work, and who
plans
  on using the product of this work.

  Having only three attendees in Minneapolis for Moti's presentation was
  not a very convincing display of interest.

  Please respond, to the list (not just to me), as soon as you can.

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In cataloging the responses

(http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/adslmib/current/index.html)

I see:

Moti Morgenstern and Menachem Dodge of ECI Telecom will WORK on the =
draft.
Umberto Bonollo and Scott Baillie of NEC Australia will WORK on the =
draft.
Clay Sikes of Paradyne will COMMENT to the draft.

If you plan on implementing the result of the work, even if you don't
comment to the draft or otherwise contribute materially, please speak up
(to the working group list).

Have I missed anyone?  I'll continue gathering names until Friday (April =
15)
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amend
the charter.

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Bob,

I'll help out in anyway I can.  That includes more than just comments.

- Clay

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>In cataloging the responses
>
>(http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/adslmib/current/index.html)
>
>I see:
>
>Moti Morgenstern and Menachem Dodge of ECI Telecom will WORK on the draft.
>Umberto Bonollo and Scott Baillie of NEC Australia will WORK on the draft.
>Clay Sikes of Paradyne will COMMENT to the draft.
>
>If you plan on implementing the result of the work, even if you don't
>comment to the draft or otherwise contribute materially, please speak up
>(to the working group list).
>
>Have I missed anyone?  I'll continue gathering names until Friday (April 15)
>and then ask the Area Director if we have displayed enough interest to amend
>the charter.
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>Bob Ray
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Bob,

ADTRAN will be interested in considering the ADSL2 MIB for implementation (Field of Dreams?).


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In cataloging the responses

(http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/adslmib/current/index.html)

I see:

Moti Morgenstern and Menachem Dodge of ECI Telecom will WORK on the draft.
Umberto Bonollo and Scott Baillie of NEC Australia will WORK on the draft.
Clay Sikes of Paradyne will COMMENT to the draft.

If you plan on implementing the result of the work, even if you don't
comment to the draft or otherwise contribute materially, please speak up
(to the working group list).

Have I missed anyone?  I'll continue gathering names until Friday (April 15)
and then ask the Area Director if we have displayed enough interest to amend
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>Bob,
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>ADTRAN will be interested in considering the ADSL2 MIB for =
implementation (Field of Dreams?).
>
>Philip N. Bergstresser

Thank you, Phil.  I assume this means you will review and comment to the =

draft?  If so, then the current list is:

Moti Morgenstern and Menachem Dodge of ECI Telecom will WORK on the =
draft.
Umberto Bonollo and Scott Baillie of NEC Australia will WORK on the =
draft.
Clay Sikes of Paradyne will WORK on the draft.
Phil Bergstresser of ADTRAN will REVIEW the draft.

Anyone else?

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Bob,
    I'm afraid you read more into my statement than was intended. I was
being very literal. I am unable to make any commitment beyond what I said.
Your inference is generous but wrong. We will consider using the MIB as
released, which could be of value for implementation evaluation, but are not
"committing" to support its development.
    Perhaps for some the reference to the movie "Field of Dreams" was
obscure. The subtitle is "If you build it, they will come", referring to the
dream to build a baseball stadium on a rural farm, and the potential for
fans to find it and make the dream a success. That latter aspect is more
like our likely role.

Philip N. Bergstresser
Design Engineer, SNMP NMS
ADTRAN, Inc.
901 Explorer Blvd, 
Huntsville, AL  35806
(256) 963-8399


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>Bob,
>
>ADTRAN will be interested in considering the ADSL2 MIB for implementation
(Field of Dreams?).
>
>Philip N. Bergstresser

Thank you, Phil.  I assume this means you will review and comment to the 
draft?  If so, then the current list is:

Moti Morgenstern and Menachem Dodge of ECI Telecom will WORK on the draft.
Umberto Bonollo and Scott Baillie of NEC Australia will WORK on the draft.
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Phil Bergstresser of ADTRAN will REVIEW the draft.

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Duly noted.  Sorry for the confusion.

Bob Ray

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Bob,
    I'm afraid you read more into my statement than was intended. I was
being very literal. I am unable to make any commitment beyond what I =
said.
Your inference is generous but wrong. We will consider using the MIB as
released, which could be of value for implementation evaluation, but are =
not
"committing" to support its development.
    Perhaps for some the reference to the movie "Field of Dreams" was
obscure. The subtitle is "If you build it, they will come", referring to =
the
dream to build a baseball stadium on a rural farm, and the potential for
fans to find it and make the dream a success. That latter aspect is more
like our likely role.

Philip N. Bergstresser
Design Engineer, SNMP NMS
ADTRAN, Inc.
901 Explorer Blvd,=20
Huntsville, AL  35806
(256) 963-8399


-----Original Message-----
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>Bob,
>
>ADTRAN will be interested in considering the ADSL2 MIB for =
implementation
(Field of Dreams?).
>
>Philip N. Bergstresser

Thank you, Phil.  I assume this means you will review and comment to the =

draft?  If so, then the current list is:

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draft.
Umberto Bonollo and Scott Baillie of NEC Australia will WORK on the =
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All,



Version -10 has been submitted and is available on the IETF ADSL MIB
page.   This version addresses the issues Bert raised on 4/7/2005. In
particular, the following changes were made:


    
  
  1. The title was changed from ...G.shdsl.bis Lines back to what it
was in RFC3276.
    2. 
  
  2. The Heading on the body pages was changed back to
HDSL2-SHDSL-LINE MIB.
    3. 
  
  3. Reorganized the sections so the TOC has a better look.
    
  
    4. 
  
  4. The new version of xml2rfc updated the IPR boilerplate, but also
accounts for some white-space changes. Some lines now end with a hyphen.
    5. 
  
  5. "The Internet-Standard Management Framework"  section was moved
such that it is the first section.
    6. 
  
  6. The two "Introduction" sections, which existed in RFC3276 were
combined and changed to "Overview."
    7. 
  
  7. The term "module" was added after "MIB" in places where it was
needed.
    8. 
  
  8. The "Conformance and Compliance" section was removed.
    9. 
  
  9. The module dates were updated
    10. 
  
  10. The agent compliance statements were reworked in the module.
    11. 
  
  11. The new version of xml2rfc add a comma when there are 3 or more
authors in references.
    12. 
  
  12. Imported  RFC 2578 and RFC2579 references from xml.resource.org
since the duplicate authors in the list was corrected.
    
  
    13. 


Best Regards,

Clay Sikes 





On 4/7/2005 12:15 PM, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:


  

    
    Ping
    
  

  
Summary: I am not sure what to expect in
rev 10. Can Clay send me a

  
 

  
prelimenary version before I complete my
checking?

  
 

  
I have these serious concerns:

  
 

  
- why do we have a section 5? 

  
  The authoritative compliance and
conformance is specified in the MODULE-COMPLIANCE

  
  and it turns out that section 5 is not in
sync with that MODULE-COMPLIANCE. So people

  
  may get confused, no? I would remove
section 5.

  
 

  
- I see (PAGE 58/59):

  
     hdsl2ShdslLineMibCompliance
MODULE-COMPLIANCE

        STATUS  current

        DESCRIPTION

  
        "The section outlines compliance
requirements for this MIB."

       

  
  Mmmm ... this
is not a "section" is it? But I see it was also in RFC3276.

  
  Better wording might be:

  
 

  
      DESCRIPTION
  
        "The compliance statement for SNMP
entities which implement this

  
         MIB module."

  

  
  

  
  But more important, you seem to have
changed the MODULE-COMPLIANCE of RFC3276.

  
  Normally we keep the old
MODULE-COMPLIANCE statement (maybe adapted to make

  
  sure that old implementations can keep
their compliance with that statement) and then

  
  we add a new one that defines the new
MODULE-COMPLIANCE for new/updated

  
  implementations that also support the new
objects and new options of the new MIB

  
  Module. The old MODULE-COMPLIANCE is then
often changed to a deprecated state.

  
  Was that not discussed? Or is that what
you have in rev 10?

  
  I will send separately a smidiff output
with annotations.

  
  And I will await an answer to what you
have in rev 10. Maybe Clay can send me 

  
  prelimenary rev 10 before I continue to
do more checking.

  
 

  
If you do a rev 10, then I also have some
additional nits you may want to address.

  
 

  
- you may want to think about the title of
the document.

  
  The RFC-Editor will probably not be happy
with the abbreviation/acronym

  
  in the title:

  
   Definitions of Managed Objects for
G.shdsl.bis Lines

  
  It was in fact spelled out in RFC3276. So
do we have an issue with that?

  
 

  
- There are 2 sections titled:
"Introduction". Namely sect 1 and sect 3

  
  Can one of the title be changed?

  
 

  
- In the document, I see various occurences
of the word "MIB" as a noun".

  
  In general, we prefer to use "MIB module"
in such cases. There is one

  
  MIB, which is composed of many MIB
modules. This MIB module is just

  
  one of them. When you use "MIB objects",
or "MIB groups" or such,

  
  then that is fine.

  
 

  
Bert

  






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http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4069.txt?number=3D4069
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4070.txt?number=3D4070

Very good work.  I think everyone on the list appreciates=20
your efforts in seeing these two documents through (and I am
personally very glad that you have agreed to work on the=20
ADSL2/ADSLplus effort).

Thank you.

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Hello Bob,

    Thank you kindly for your good wishes and I am very pleased
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    Many thanks and much appreciation is owed to Randy and Bert
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and to you Bob, as co-editor for your help and assistance whenever I needed
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    My appreciation to the RFC editor for their work in finalising the RFC.

    I look forward to working together with everyone on the ADSL2/ADSLplus
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    Best Regards,

    Menachem.


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http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4069.txt?number=4069
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        RFC 4070

        Title:      Definitions of Managed Object Extensions
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                    Line Coding
        Author(s):  M. Dodge, B. Ray
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        Title:      Definitions of Managed Object Extensions
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                    Coding
        Author(s):  M. Dodge, B. Ray
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This document defines a portion of the Management Information Base
(MIB) module for use with network management protocols in the
Internet community.  In particular, it describes objects used for
managing the Line Code Specific parameters of Very High Speed
Digital Subscriber Line (VDSL) interfaces using Single Carrier
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VDSL-LINE-MIB, RFC 3728, which handles line code independent
objects.

This document is a product of the ADSL MIB Working Group of the IETF.

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Below is the report from the IESG Telechat Last Thursday.
So the new charter is not yet approved. Such will probably
happen on May 26th, unless we get (unexpected) serious
objections before that time.

I would suggest that the WG starts/continues the work to 
complete the work described by the charter.

Bert

------------ ADSLMIB WG rechartering status in IESG:

o ADSL MIB (adslmib) - 1 of 1
Token: Bert Wijnen

The IESG decided that the charter must go for External Review.  The Secretariat
will send a Working Group Review: RECHARTER announcement, with a separate
message to new-work. The Secretariat will place it back on the agenda for the
next IESG Teleconference (05/26/2005).

------------ The charter as proposed:

ADSL MIB (adslmib)
------------------
 
Last Modified: 2005-5-12

Current Status: Active Working Group

Chair(s):
Bob Ray 
Michael Sneed 

Operations and Management Area Director(s):
Bert Wijnen 
David Kessens 

Operations and Management Area Advisor:
Bert Wijnen 

Technical Advisor(s):
Randy Presuhn 

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Description of Working Group:
 
The working group will define a set of managed objects to be used for
management of newer versions of Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line
(ADSL), called ADSL2 and ADSLplus, as defined in ITU-T Recommendation
G.997.1 (2003) and ITU-T Recommendation G.997.1 Amendment 1 (December
12, 2003). The MIB defined by this group will be generated using SMIv2,
will be consistent with the SNMP management framework, and will describe
the relationship of the objects defined to existing MIBs such as those
described in other work products of this Working Group, the interfaces
MIB, and the AToM MIB.
 
The working group will consider the input of the DSL forum and the ITU
in the definition of this MIB.

(New) Goals and Milestones:
 
 [.. dropped all the DONE items for now]
 
 May 05   Initial WG Internet-Draft covering ADSL2 management objects.
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Okay.  Please remember the g.sdhsl.bis draft too!

Thank you,
Bob Ray

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Subject: [Adslmib] IESG/IABl WG Review: Recharter of ADSL MIB (adslmib)


Below is the report from the IESG Telechat Last Thursday.
So the new charter is not yet approved. Such will probably
happen on May 26th, unless we get (unexpected) serious
objections before that time.

I would suggest that the WG starts/continues the work to
complete the work described by the charter.

Bert

------------ ADSLMIB WG rechartering status in IESG:

o ADSL MIB (adslmib) - 1 of 1
Token: Bert Wijnen

The IESG decided that the charter must go for External Review.  The
Secretariat
will send a Working Group Review: RECHARTER announcement, with a separate
message to new-work. The Secretariat will place it back on the agenda for
the
next IESG Teleconference (05/26/2005).

------------ The charter as proposed:

ADSL MIB (adslmib)
------------------

Last Modified: 2005-5-12

Current Status: Active Working Group

Chair(s):
Bob Ray 
Michael Sneed 

Operations and Management Area Director(s):
Bert Wijnen 
David Kessens 

Operations and Management Area Advisor:
Bert Wijnen 

Technical Advisor(s):
Randy Presuhn 

Mailing Lists:
General Discussion: adslmib@ietf.org
To Subscribe: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib
Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/adslmib/index.html

Description of Working Group:

The working group will define a set of managed objects to be used for
management of newer versions of Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line
(ADSL), called ADSL2 and ADSLplus, as defined in ITU-T Recommendation
G.997.1 (2003) and ITU-T Recommendation G.997.1 Amendment 1 (December
12, 2003). The MIB defined by this group will be generated using SMIv2,
will be consistent with the SNMP management framework, and will describe
the relationship of the objects defined to existing MIBs such as those
described in other work products of this Working Group, the interfaces
MIB, and the AToM MIB.

The working group will consider the input of the DSL forum and the ITU
in the definition of this MIB.

(New) Goals and Milestones:

 [.. dropped all the DONE items for now]

 May 05   Initial WG Internet-Draft covering ADSL2 management objects.
 June 05  Integrate working group changes and produce revised draft.
 Sept 05  Complete WG last call on ADSL2 MIB.
 Oct 05   Submit ADSL2 MIB to IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard.
 Dec 05   Re-charter or close down.

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putting it on IESG agenda as we speak. 
That is for next IESG telechat on May 26th.

Bert

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Ray [mailto:robertray@knology.net]
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 15:34
> To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); Bob Ray; Michael Sneed
> Cc: Adslmib (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [Adslmib] IESG/IABl WG Review: Recharter of ADSL MIB
> (adslmib)
> 
> 
> Okay.  Please remember the g.sdhsl.bis draft too!
> 
> Thank you,
> Bob Ray
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: adslmib-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:adslmib-bounces@ietf.org]On
> Behalf Of Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 8:28 AM
> To: Bob Ray; Michael Sneed
> Cc: Adslmib (E-mail)
> Subject: [Adslmib] IESG/IABl WG Review: Recharter of ADSL MIB 
> (adslmib)
> 
> 
> Below is the report from the IESG Telechat Last Thursday.
> So the new charter is not yet approved. Such will probably
> happen on May 26th, unless we get (unexpected) serious
> objections before that time.
> 
> I would suggest that the WG starts/continues the work to
> complete the work described by the charter.
> 
> Bert
> 
> ------------ ADSLMIB WG rechartering status in IESG:
> 
> o ADSL MIB (adslmib) - 1 of 1
> Token: Bert Wijnen
> 
> The IESG decided that the charter must go for External Review.  The
> Secretariat
> will send a Working Group Review: RECHARTER announcement, 
> with a separate
> message to new-work. The Secretariat will place it back on 
> the agenda for
> the
> next IESG Teleconference (05/26/2005).
> 
> ------------ The charter as proposed:
> 
> ADSL MIB (adslmib)
> ------------------
> 
> Last Modified: 2005-5-12
> 
> Current Status: Active Working Group
> 
> Chair(s):
> Bob Ray 
> Michael Sneed 
> 
> Operations and Management Area Director(s):
> Bert Wijnen 
> David Kessens 
> 
> Operations and Management Area Advisor:
> Bert Wijnen 
> 
> Technical Advisor(s):
> Randy Presuhn 
> 
> Mailing Lists:
> General Discussion: adslmib@ietf.org
> To Subscribe: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib
> Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/adslmib/index.html
> 
> Description of Working Group:
> 
> The working group will define a set of managed objects to be used for
> management of newer versions of Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line
> (ADSL), called ADSL2 and ADSLplus, as defined in ITU-T Recommendation
> G.997.1 (2003) and ITU-T Recommendation G.997.1 Amendment 1 (December
> 12, 2003). The MIB defined by this group will be generated 
> using SMIv2,
> will be consistent with the SNMP management framework, and 
> will describe
> the relationship of the objects defined to existing MIBs such as those
> described in other work products of this Working Group, the interfaces
> MIB, and the AToM MIB.
> 
> The working group will consider the input of the DSL forum and the ITU
> in the definition of this MIB.
> 
> (New) Goals and Milestones:
> 
>  [.. dropped all the DONE items for now]
> 
>  May 05   Initial WG Internet-Draft covering ADSL2 management objects.
>  June 05  Integrate working group changes and produce revised draft.
>  Sept 05  Complete WG last call on ADSL2 MIB.
>  Oct 05   Submit ADSL2 MIB to IESG for consideration as 
> Proposed Standard.
>  Dec 05   Re-charter or close down.
> 
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Hi,
=20
   We would like to know that is there standard MIB has cover some
counters related to ATM Cell in G.997.1, such as
=20
=20
NE-HEC-violation-Count

(HEC-P)

Count of number of occurrences of a near-end hec anomaly in the ATM Data
Path

NE-Delineated-total-cell-count (CD-P)

Near-End count of the total number of cells passed through the cell
delineation and HEC function process operating on the ATM data Path
while in SYNC state

NE-Usr-Total-Cell-Count

(CU-P)

=20

Near-End count of the total number cells delivered to ATU-C

NE-Idle-Cell-Bit-Error-Count (IBE-P)

Near-End count of the number of bit errors in the idle cell payload
received in the ATM data path at the near end.

FE-HEC-violation-Count

(HEC-P)

Count of number of occurrences of the far-end hec anomaly in the ATM
Data Path

FE-Delineated-total-cell-count (CD-P)

Far-End count of the total number of cells passed through the cell
delineation and HEC function process operating on the ATM data Path
while in SYNC state

FE-Usr-Total-Cell-Count

(CU-P)

=20

Far-End count of the total number cells delivered to ATU-R

FE-Idle-Cell-Bit-Error-Count (IBE-P)

Far-End count of the number of bit errors in the idle cell payload
received in the ATM data path at the far end.

=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
Thanks,
=20
Frank
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Hi,


 


   We=20
would like to know that is there standard MIB has cover some counters =
related to=20
ATM Cell in G.997.1, such as


 


 




      
NE-HEC-violation-Count

      
(HEC-P)

    
      
Count of =
number of=20
      occurrences of a near-end hec anomaly in the ATM Data=20
      Path

      
NE-Delineated-total-cell-count=20
      (CD-P)

    
      
Near-End =
count of the=20
      total number of cells passed through the cell delineation and HEC =
function=20
      process operating on the ATM data Path while in SYNC=20
      state

      
NE-Usr-Total-Cell-Count

      
(CU-P)

      
 

    
      
Near-End =
count of the=20
      total number cells delivered to =
ATU-C

      
NE-Idle-Cell-Bit-Error-Count=20
      (IBE-P)

    
      
Near-End =
count of the=20
      number of bit errors in the idle cell payload received in the ATM =
data=20
      path at the near end.

      
FE-HEC-violation-Count

      
(HEC-P)

    
      
Count of =
number of=20
      occurrences of the far-end hec anomaly in the ATM Data=20
      Path

      
FE-Delineated-total-cell-count=20
      (CD-P)

    
      
Far-End =
count of the=20
      total number of cells passed through the cell delineation and HEC =
function=20
      process operating on the ATM data Path while in SYNC=20
      state

      
FE-Usr-Total-Cell-Count

      
(CU-P)

      
 

    
      
Far-End =
count of the=20
      total number cells delivered to =
ATU-R

      
FE-Idle-Cell-Bit-Error-Count=20
      (IBE-P)

    
      
Far-End =
count of the=20
      number of bit errors in the idle cell payload received in the ATM =
data=20
      path at the far=20
end.

  
  

    

  

    

  

    

  

    

  

    

  

    

  

    

  

    


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


Thanks,


 


Frank


 


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Hi.
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You might peruse the documents produced by the AToM MIB working group.
=20
http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/OLD/atommib-charter.html
=20
Regards,
Bob Ray

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Hi,
=20
   We would like to know that is there standard MIB has cover some =
counters related to ATM Cell in G.997.1, such as
=20
=20


NE-HEC-violation-Count

(HEC-P)

Count of number of occurrences of a near-end hec anomaly in the ATM Data =
Path


NE-Delineated-total-cell-count (CD-P)

Near-End count of the total number of cells passed through the cell =
delineation and HEC function process operating on the ATM data Path =
while in SYNC state


NE-Usr-Total-Cell-Count

(CU-P)

=20

Near-End count of the total number cells delivered to ATU-C


NE-Idle-Cell-Bit-Error-Count (IBE-P)

Near-End count of the number of bit errors in the idle cell payload =
received in the ATM data path at the near end.


FE-HEC-violation-Count

(HEC-P)

Count of number of occurrences of the far-end hec anomaly in the ATM =
Data Path


FE-Delineated-total-cell-count (CD-P)

Far-End count of the total number of cells passed through the cell =
delineation and HEC function process operating on the ATM data Path =
while in SYNC state


FE-Usr-Total-Cell-Count

(CU-P)

=20

Far-End count of the total number cells delivered to ATU-R


FE-Idle-Cell-Bit-Error-Count (IBE-P)

Far-End count of the number of bit errors in the idle cell payload =
received in the ATM data path at the far end.

=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
Thanks,
=20
Frank
=20


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Hi.


 


You=20
might peruse the documents produced by the AToM MIB working=20
group.


 


http:=
//www.ietf.org/html.charters/OLD/atommib-charter.html

 


Regards,


Bob=20
Ray



  
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Hi,

  
 

  
   We=20
  would like to know that is there standard MIB has cover some counters =
related=20
  to ATM Cell in G.997.1, such as

  
 

  
 

  

  
        
NE-HEC-violation-Count

        
(HEC-P)

      
        
Count =
of number of=20
        occurrences of a near-end hec anomaly in the ATM Data=20
        Path

        
NE-Delineated-total-cell-count=20
        (CD-P)

      
        
Near-End count of=20
        the total number of cells passed through the cell delineation =
and HEC=20
        function process operating on the ATM data Path while in SYNC=20
        state

        
NE-Usr-Total-Cell-Count

        
(CU-P)

        
 

      
        
Near-End count of=20
        the total number cells delivered to=20
    ATU-C

        
NE-Idle-Cell-Bit-Error-Count=20
        (IBE-P)

      
        
Near-End count of=20
        the number of bit errors in the idle cell payload received in =
the ATM=20
        data path at the near =
end.

        
FE-HEC-violation-Count

        
(HEC-P)

      
        
Count =
of number of=20
        occurrences of the far-end hec anomaly in the ATM Data=20
        Path

        
FE-Delineated-total-cell-count=20
        (CD-P)

      
        
Far-End =
count of=20
        the total number of cells passed through the cell delineation =
and HEC=20
        function process operating on the ATM data Path while in SYNC=20
        state

        
FE-Usr-Total-Cell-Count

        
(CU-P)

        
 

      
        
Far-End =
count of=20
        the total number cells delivered to=20
    ATU-R

        
FE-Idle-Cell-Bit-Error-Count=20
        (IBE-P)

      
        
Far-End =
count of=20
        the number of bit errors in the idle cell payload received in =
the ATM=20
        data path at the far=20
  end.

    
    

      

    

      

    

      

    

      

    

      

    

      

    

      

    

      

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
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A modified charter has been submitted for the ADSL MIB (adslmib) working group
in the Operations and Management Area of the IETF. The IESG has not made any
determination as yet. The modified charter is provided below for informational
purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list
(iesg@ietf.org) by May 25th.

+++

ADSL MIB (adslmib)
------------------

Current Status: Active Working Group

Chair(s):
Bob Ray 
Michael Sneed 

Operations and Management Area Director(s):
Bert Wijnen 
David Kessens 

Operations and Management Area Advisor:
Bert Wijnen 

Technical Advisor(s):
Randy Presuhn 

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Description of Working Group:

The working group will define a set of managed objects to be used for
management of newer versions of Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line
(ADSL), called ADSL2 and ADSLplus, as defined in ITU-T Recommendation
G.997.1 (2003) and ITU-T Recommendation G.997.1 Amendment 1 (December
12, 2003). The MIB defined by this group will be generated using SMIv2,
will be consistent with the SNMP management framework, and will describe
the relationship of the objects defined to existing MIBs such as those
described in other work products of this Working Group, the interfaces
MIB, and the AToM MIB.

The working group will consider the input of the DSL forum and the ITU
in the definition of this MIB.

(New) Goals and Milestones:

[.. dropped all the DONE items for now]

May 05 Initial WG Internet-Draft covering ADSL2 management objects.
June 05 Integrate working group changes and produce revised draft.
Sept 05 Complete WG last call on ADSL2 MIB.
Oct 05 Submit ADSL2 MIB to IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard.
Dec 05 Re-charter or close down.

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The IESG just approved the new WG charter.

FOrmal announcement will come from IESG secretariat in the
next couple of days (maybe a bit later because of US Memorial Day)

Bert

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the ADSL MIB Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Definitions of Managed Objects for High Bit-Rate DSL 
			  - 2nd generation (HDSL2) and Single-Pair High-Speed 
			  Digital Subscriber Line (SHDSL) Lines
	Author(s)	: C. Sikes, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-adslmib-gshdslbis-11.txt
	Pages		: 76
	Date		: 2005-5-26
	
This document defines a Management Information Base (MIB) module for
   use with network management protocols in the Internet community.  In
   particular, it describes objects used for managing High Bit-Rate
   Digital Subscriber Line (DSL) - 2nd generation (HDSL2) and Single-
   Pair High-Speed Digital Subscriber Line (SHDSL) interfaces.  This
   document introduces extensions to several objects and textual
   conventions defined in HDSL2-SHDSL-Line MIB (RFC 3276).  This
   document obsoletes RFC 3276.

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