From acmorton@att.com Thu Feb 16 05:43:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D69621F84F7 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:43:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.916 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.916 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.578, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b4b6+cipsnWs for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:43:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com (mail119.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.195]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AEB21F873D for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:43:11 -0800 (PST) X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1329399790!15847629!1 X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] X-StarScan-Version: 6.5.5; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 22747 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2012 13:43:10 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-6.tower-119.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 16 Feb 2012 13:43:10 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1GDhd1U017436 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:43:40 -0500 Received: from sflint02.pst.cso.att.com (sflint02.pst.cso.att.com [144.154.234.229]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1GDhZNu017302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:43:35 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by sflint02.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:42:53 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1GDgpNn002352 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:42:53 -0500 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1GDgmXa002231 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:42:50 -0500 Message-Id: <201202161342.q1GDgmXa002231@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (dn135-16-251-71.dhcpn.ugn.att.com[135.16.251.71](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20120216134033gw100e4l8qe>; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:40:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.16.251.71] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:43:50 -0500 To: bmwg@ietf.org From: Al Morton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-RSA-Action: allow Cc: Ronald Bonica , Dan Romascanu Subject: [bmwg] BMWG Status X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:43:15 -0000 BMWG,

This is a belated new year status message, as we see the calendar says
February (or your local-language equivalent) already!

First, I'm sure we all welcome Benoit Claise as incoming Area
Director. Benoit's background in performance and measurement
will certainly match well with our charter, so we can expect
his comments will continue Ron's and Dan's combined track record of
timely and relevant advice.

As we closed the book on 2011, two Working Group Last Calls ended
successfully:
draft-ietf-bmwg-ipflow-meth-07
draft-ietf-bmwg-protection-meth-09
I've moved these drafts to "Publication Requested" state,
and editors should expect to do some clean-up following
Ron's AD-level review, at least.

We also agreed at our IETF-82 session to begin a WGLC on
draft-ietf-bmwg-2544-as-01
I've received yet another off-list comment that this memo's
statement continues to be relevant and needed, so the WGLC
will begin ASAP.

I've heard that many of our other active drafts are being
updated right now, so we should all plan to review new
drafts before too long.

So far, only draft-ietf-bmwg-imix-genome-01
has been updated (Thanks to Ilya Varlashkin for comments).

Beyond reviewing drafts as we always do, the following item
was identified for action in our IETF-82 minutes:
"Obtain Operator feedback on methods and metrics in BGP drafts"
I'd like to know if any progress was made on this.

Also, if anyone plans to attend one of the operator conferences
before we meet in Paris, and would be willing to solicit some
first-hand feedback on our on-going work, let us know!

regards,
Al
bmwg chair

From acmorton@att.com Fri Feb 17 08:54:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7BC21F86C9 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:54:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.34 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.34 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.456, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W1fsKVL7wzq4 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:54:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com (mail119.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.195]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AC421F86C8 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:54:44 -0800 (PST) X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1329497683!16154820!1 X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] X-StarScan-Version: 6.5.5; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 14590 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2012 16:54:43 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-5.tower-119.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 17 Feb 2012 16:54:43 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1HGtDRq025131 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:55:13 -0500 Received: from sflint02.pst.cso.att.com (sflint02.pst.cso.att.com [144.154.234.229]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1HGt60v025029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:55:06 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by sflint02.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:54:25 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1HGsP72027176 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:54:25 -0500 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1HGsMKQ027116 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:54:22 -0500 Message-Id: <201202171654.q1HGsMKQ027116@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (vpn-135-70-134-127.vpn.mwst.att.com[135.70.134.127](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20120217165207gw100e4lcie>; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:52:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.134.127] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:55:24 -0500 To: bmwg@ietf.org From: Al Morton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-RSA-Action: allow Cc: Ronald Bonica Subject: [bmwg] WGLC: draft-ietf-bmwg-2544-as-01 X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:54:45 -0000 BMWG, This message begins a Last call on the draft titled: RFC 2544 Applicability Statement: Use on Production Networks Considered Harmful http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bmwg-2544-as-01 The Last Call will end on March 12, 2012 (coincident with the revised draft submission deadline for IETF-83). We've been discussing this topic in BMWG for over a year. As agreed when taking this draft as a BMWG chartered item, AD Advisor Ron Bonica will call consensus on this WGLC (since the current chair is a co-author). Please weigh-in on whether or not this Internet-Draft should be given to the Area Directors and IESG for consideration and publication as an Informational RFC. Send your comments to this list and/or Ronald Bonica . Al bmwg chair From dnewman@networktest.com Fri Feb 17 11:24:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6628221F8642 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:24:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E-B2KewyYNCv for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.networktest.com (mail3.networktest.com [69.55.234.104]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9648121F8637 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [69.55.234.104]) by mail3.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1912560D4 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.networktest.com ([69.55.234.104]) by localhost (mail3.networktest.com [69.55.234.104]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 91644-04 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp134.eng.networktest.com (ns.networktest.com [205.147.16.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dnewman@networktest.com) by mail3.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A03F2560D3 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:24:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3EA959.6090800@networktest.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:24:09 -0800 From: David Newman Organization: Network Test Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bmwg@ietf.org References: <201202171654.q1HGsMKQ027116@alpd052.aldc.att.com> In-Reply-To: <201202171654.q1HGsMKQ027116@alpd052.aldc.att.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [bmwg] WGLC: draft-ietf-bmwg-2544-as-01 X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:24:12 -0000 On 2/17/12 8:55 AM, Al Morton wrote: > Please weigh-in on whether or not this Internet-Draft > should be given to the Area Directors and IESG for consideration and > publication as an Informational RFC. Send your comments > to this list and/or Ronald Bonica . I support the advancement of this document to the ADs and IESG. dn From bmwg@wjcerveny.com Sun Feb 19 18:33:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D5821F85FB for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:33:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 47KbK03asxCt for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:33:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC8E21F85F1 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:33:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.42]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F08621200 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.160]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:33:37 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :references:to; s=smtpout; bh=JIiJkXqaOHEoOvQlg9+c2ZQuttg=; b=Bo +YFusotTVCnJzv4SoYSnsvJG0AXfH41Xg2vLKz4nc8WouE3CzNwIGURmaXs5r8B9 /MbUHfuB3Pvw+jUoG9dhw93Am1qjF4zFnCExX4H9mj1yjAb/CcHTJs+mXt6fE2S2 bqRKp4YsK8wDVYp+WraAI90liMeE5YLng9kySpYXU= X-Sasl-enc: v2UByXyFrwSTniqdfA7m5w9aeKZZhah0hjkFixmO8IRD 1329705216 Received: from [192.168.1.107] (24-247-83-222.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com [24.247.83.222]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 939B68E0167; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:33:36 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Bill Cerveny In-Reply-To: <201202171654.q1HGsMKQ027116@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:33:46 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <511EEB2A-810E-4C6C-BE7A-FDA8692D00B0@wjcerveny.com> References: <201202171654.q1HGsMKQ027116@alpd052.aldc.att.com> To: Al Morton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: Ronald Bonica , bmwg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [bmwg] WGLC: draft-ietf-bmwg-2544-as-01 X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 02:33:38 -0000 Most (all) comments below are grammatical in nature: Phrase "device under test" and acronymn "DUT" used interchangeably and = "DUT" not defined on first usage: " =85 it is clearly desirable to = contain all DUT traffic within the ITE." in section 5 Actually come to = think of it, what is "DUT traffic"? Maybe use a more generic "test = traffic" here instead of "DUT traffic"? 1) Introduction:=20 When I first saw statement, "can only be reliably produced" I wanted to = change it to "can only be reliably replicated" or even to something like = "can only be reliably produced (and reproduced)". But original usage may = be OK (open for comment). Text '=85 the term "real-world" to refer production =85' should probably = be '=85 the term "real-world" to refer to production =85' (added second = "to") 5) Advisory on RFC 2544 Methods in Real-world Networks Minor tweak: "It is possible that some of the tests may prove to be = valid =85": Possibly change to "It is possible that some of the tests = may prove valid =85"=20 6) What to do without RFC 2544 The paragraph: " Other standards may help to fill gaps in telecommunication service testing. For example, the IETF has many standards intended to assist with network operation, administration and maintenance (OAM), the ITU-T Study Group 12 has a recommendation on service activation test methodology " The comma after "(OAM)" seems like it should be least be a semi-colon = and perhaps a period followed by 'The ITU-T =85' as a new sentence. 7) Security Considerations Minor, minor tweak: Add "a" between "to testing in" and "laboratory = ITE" as such "to testing in a laboratory ITE", since I think "ITE" is = singular. Otherwise, looks good, Bill Cerveny On Feb 17, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Al Morton wrote: > BMWG, >=20 > This message begins a Last call on the draft titled: >=20 > RFC 2544 Applicability Statement: > Use on Production Networks Considered Harmful >=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bmwg-2544-as-01 >=20 > The Last Call will end on March 12, 2012 (coincident with > the revised draft submission deadline for IETF-83). >=20 > We've been discussing this topic in BMWG for over a year. >=20 > As agreed when taking this draft as a BMWG chartered item, > AD Advisor Ron Bonica will call consensus on this WGLC > (since the current chair is a co-author). >=20 > Please weigh-in on whether or not this Internet-Draft > should be given to the Area Directors and IESG for consideration and > publication as an Informational RFC. Send your comments > to this list and/or Ronald Bonica . >=20 > Al > bmwg chair=20 > _______________________________________________ > bmwg mailing list > bmwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bmwg From KGreen@ixiacom.com Sun Feb 19 21:24:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DED21F8667 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:24:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HvCKYs2niSMF for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from VA3EHSOBE003.bigfish.com (va3ehsobe006.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.16]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4358821F8665 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail59-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.247) by VA3EHSOBE003.bigfish.com (10.7.40.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:24:44 +0000 Received: from mail59-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail59-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FB54A01D4; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:24:44 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: -26 X-BigFish: PS-26(zz9371I542Mzz1202hzz8275ch1033IL8275dhz2fh2a8h668h839h944h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.244.229; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:CH1PRD0610HT003.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail59-va3: domain of ixiacom.com designates 157.56.244.229 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.244.229; envelope-from=KGreen@ixiacom.com; helo=CH1PRD0610HT003.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ; .outlook.com ; Received: from mail59-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail59-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1329715482529791_11231; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS032.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.249]) by mail59-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7216C420249; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1PRD0610HT003.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (157.56.244.229) by VA3EHSMHS032.bigfish.com (10.7.99.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:24:42 +0000 Received: from CH1PRD0610MB381.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.7.229]) by CH1PRD0610HT003.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.151.38]) with mapi id 14.16.0117.001; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:24:44 +0000 From: Kenneth Green To: Al Morton , "bmwg@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [bmwg] WGLC: draft-ietf-bmwg-2544-as-01 Thread-Index: AQHM7ZTeTpIh6uArhkyXK0VAj/oGL5ZFQ01A Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:24:43 +0000 Message-ID: References: <201202171654.q1HGsMKQ027116@alpd052.aldc.att.com> In-Reply-To: <201202171654.q1HGsMKQ027116@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Accept-Language: en-AU, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [65.127.193.130] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-AuthMechanism: 04 X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-AuthSource: CH1PRD0610HT003.namprd06.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-SCL: -1 X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-messagesource: StoreDriver X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-BCC: X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-rules-execution-history: Support - Juniper X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-processed-by-journaling: Journal Agent X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-ContentConversionOptions: False; 00160000; True; ; iso-8859-1 X-OrganizationHeadersPreserved: CH1PRD0610HT003.namprd06.prod.outlook.com X-FOPE-CRA-Verdict: 157.56.244.229$juniper.net%12218%4%ixiacom.com%False%False%0$ X-OriginatorOrg: ixiacom.com Cc: Ronald Bonica Subject: Re: [bmwg] WGLC: draft-ietf-bmwg-2544-as-01 X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:24:50 -0000 There still seems to be some mixed usage of the phrases "production", "acti= ve" and "real-world". My recollection was that earlier discussion resolved to replace "real-world= " with "production". I see no explanation given of the differences amongst = these three adjectives and if indeed there is none, then using only one wil= l improve clarity. Suggested edits: 5. Advisory... OLD: And as discussed above, the tests will never produce a reliable or acc= urate benchmarking result. NEW: And as discussed above, the tests will never produce a reliable or acc= urate benchmarking result on a production (?real-world? ?active?) network. Regards, Kenneth Kenneth Green Solution Architect Ixia -----Original Message----- From: bmwg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:bmwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Al = Morton Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2012 3:55 AM To: bmwg@ietf.org Cc: Ronald Bonica Subject: [bmwg] WGLC: draft-ietf-bmwg-2544-as-01 BMWG, This message begins a Last call on the draft titled: RFC 2544 Applicability Statement: Use on Production Networks Considered Harmful http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bmwg-2544-as-01 The Last Call will end on March 12, 2012 (coincident with the revised draft= submission deadline for IETF-83). We've been discussing this topic in BMWG for over a year. As agreed when taking this draft as a BMWG chartered item, AD Advisor Ron B= onica will call consensus on this WGLC (since the current chair is a co-aut= hor). Please weigh-in on whether or not this Internet-Draft should be given to th= e Area Directors and IESG for consideration and publication as an Informati= onal RFC. 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