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    ------=_NextPart_001_0001_8D2379EF.50925028-- ------=_NextPart_000_0000_78F7BBA9.6CC3A376-- From owner-ietf-pkix@mail.imc.org Tue Jul 12 08:59:37 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DsKML-0001oj-Aj for pkix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:59:37 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA18926 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6CC55oo094482; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:05:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-pkix@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j6CC55CY094481; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:05:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-pkix@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from host15.websitesource.com (host15.websitesource.com [209.239.32.38]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6CC55S6094471 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:05:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chokhani@orionsec.com) Received: from wchokhani3 (static-70-21-114-242.res.east.verizon.net [70.21.114.242]) by host15.websitesource.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6CC52qj021700 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:05:04 -0400 From: "Santosh Chokhani" To: Subject: RE: 3280bis: CRL validation: what is wrong and/or missing in section 6.3 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:04:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c586d9$ef452b00$9a00a8c0@hq.orionsec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <42D368CF.3080103@free.fr> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ietf-pkix@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Cooper, At a minimum, the cogent paragraph in the security consideration section should be enhanced to recommend use of name constraints when cross certifying with a CA in another PKI. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-pkix@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-pkix@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Jean-Marc Desperrier Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:53 AM To: ietf-pkix@imc.org Subject: Re: 3280bis: CRL validation: what is wrong and/or missing in section 6.3 David A. Cooper wrote: > Even though X.509 requires that names be unambiguous, there does seem > to be consensus within the PKIX WG that 3280bis should impose some > restrictions of the certification path used to validate a CRL in order > to address the concern that a name collision might occur despite > X.509's prohibition. However, at the moment, WG consensus seems to be > in favor of only requiring that the certification path for the CRL use > the same trust anchor as the certification path for the corresponding > CRL. There is language about this in the security considerations > section. In order for 3280bis to be even more restrictive, it would > need to be shown that there is WG consensus in favor of imposing such > restrictions. I support more restrictions. If you wish to be able to use cross-certification to interoperate with other PKI and not multiply the trust anchors used, "the same trust anchor" does not mean much constraint at all. From LindaAtkins@satans.com Thu Jul 14 10:17:07 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dt4WR-0007cZ-OF for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:17:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA12139 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dt4yw-0002sw-Ky for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:46:41 -0400 Received: from [221.126.139.49] (helo=65.246.255.50) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Dt4WD-0003Eu-Rh for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:16:54 -0400 Received: from vT8@localhost by QGV0.int (8.11.6/8.11.6); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:47:14 +0400 Message-ID: From: "Debbie Hearn" Reply-To: "Debbie Hearn" To: dnsop-archive@ietf.org Subject: MS Office 2003 Pro $69.95 XP Pro Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:42:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2730.2 X-Sender: LindaAtkins@satans.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--QZsUBbBMzKlcgg1sfv" X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: fb93e867a11a29ac1dc5018706b412ac nlO ----QZsUBbBMzKlcgg1sfv Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable E
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    ----QZsUBbBMzKlcgg1sfv-- From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Sun Jul 17 23:36:00 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DuMQB-0003XM-2e for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:36:00 -0400 Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (root@darkwing.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.13]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA14328 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6I1s1HU026680; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j6I1s1dW026678; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.kahlerlarson.org (tornado.kahlerlarson.org [69.31.8.106]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6I1rvu8026600 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.kahlerlarson.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2262010E6C7; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:53:51 -0400 From: "Larson, Matt" To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Cc: pbarber@verisign.com, David Meyer , sra@hactrn.net, =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson?= , Pekka Savola , "JINMEI Tatuya / ?$B?@L@C#:H" , Andras Salamon , Suzanne Woolf , Mark Andrews , Jaap Akkerhuis , Peter Koch , Kevin Darcy Subject: [dnsop] draft-ietf-dnsop-bad-dns-res-04.txt is now out Message-ID: <20050718015350.GC4864@tornado.kahlerlarson.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Larson, Matt" Folks, I just submitted a new version of draft-ietf-dnsop-bad-dns-res. If you just can't wait to read it, it's available here right now: http://www.verisignlabs.com/~matt/draft-ietf-dnsop-bad-dns-res-04.txt It appears we last called this document twice, both in June-July and November-December of last year. I believe this new version addresses all the comments received during both last call periods. An omnibus reply follows to address specific comments. I'd like to give my sincere thanks to everyone who read the document and made comments. I'm sorry it's taken so long to get a new version: full blame for the delay goes to me and not Piet Barber, my long-suffering co-author. Matt On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, ?lafur Gu?mundsson wrote: > I found one error, > Section 2.5.1 first paragraph > s/behind a firewall that prohibits queries to pass through/ > behind a firewall that allows queries to pass through/ Fixed. On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Pekka Savola wrote: > First, this document gives three sets of recommendations with > uppercase keywords. This raises two issues: > > 1) the category should be at least BCP, or the wording changed. > (You're making changes/enhancements to the standards track documents!) I don't have strong feelings about how it ends up being published. I disagree that the document recommends changes to standards track documents. Upon a careful re-reading, I believe this document offers implementation advice to iterative resolver developers and does not change the DNS protocol itself. > 2) have these changes been reviewed and/or adopted by DNSEXT WG? Not necessary in light of above, though comments from everyone are welcome. > o Do not make assumptions based on NS RRset order: all NS RRs should > be treated equally. (In the case of the "com" zone, for example, > most of the root servers return the NS record for > "a.gtld-servers.net" first in the authority section of referrals. > As a result, this server receives disproportionately more traffic > than the other 12 authoritative servers for "com".) > > ==> why don't they randomize it then? seems like it's the root > servers that should be fixed here! It's not a question of fixed or broken: you can't depend on RRset order. That being said, the current software on most of the roots does not randomize, which lends support to this advice: don't depend on RRset order. > ==> should be updated to have RFC3668 boilerplate > > ==> should move the keywords from the abstract to the Introduction. I'm using the latest xml2rfc which should address this. > ==> all the references are listed as Normative, while some (e.g., > [8]) certainly don't qualify as normative. Perhaps move [7] and [8] > to informative references? I made all the references Informative for now. > ==> in abstract, s/This Internet-Draft/This memo/ (and similar -- this > text should also apply when published as RFC!!) [the same in IANA > considerations] Done. > 2.9.1 Recommendation > > It would be desirable for the root name servers not to have to answer > these queries: they unnecessarily consume CPU resources and network > bandwidth. One possibility is for recursive name server > implementations to produce the Name Error response directly. We > suggest that implementors consider the option of synthesizing Name > Error responses at the recursive name server. The server could claim > authority for synthesized TLD zones corresponding to the first octet > of every possible IP address, e.g. 1., 2., through 255. This > behavior could be configurable in the (probably unlikely) event that > numeric TLDs are ever put into use. > > ==> does this work for v6 addresses? maybe need a bit rewording. Not applicable to IPv6 addresses for now, since the traffic in question results from IPv4 addresses. (Not everything in the IPv4 universe has an IPv6 analog...) On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, JINMEI Tatuya / ?$B?@L@C#:H wrote: > Below is my proposed text to address my concern. I'd first like to > proposed an additional paragraph at the end of section 2.2. And then > I'd propose some changes in the paragraph of Section 2.2.1. In the > proposed text I assume we can refer to > draft-ietf-dnsop-misbehavior-against-aaaa-02.txt to provide background > information, but I believe we can also convey the same point without > the reference if we do not want to have an additional reference. > > Thanks, > > JINMEI, Tatuya > Communication Platform Lab. > Corporate R&D Center, Toshiba Corp. > jinmei@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp > > 2.2 Repeated queries to lame servers > > [...] > > It should also be noted, however, that some authoritative name > server behave as lame servers only for queries of some specific > types [x]. In this case, it makes sense to retry the "lame" > servers for other types of queries, particularly when all known > authoritative name servers seem to be "lame". > > [x] draft-ietf-dnsop-misbehavior-against-aaaa-02.txt Thanks. I adopted this text almost as-is. > 2.2.1 Recommendation > > Iterative resolvers SHOULD cache name servers that they discover are > not authoritative for zones delegated to them (i.e. lame servers). > Lame servers MUST be cached against the specific query tuple name, class, server IP address>. Zone name can be derived from the > owner name of the NS record that was referenced to query the name > server that was discovered to be lame. Implementations that perform > lame server caching MUST refrain from sending queries to known lame > servers based on a time interval from when the server is discovered > to be lame as long as the implementations know non-lame servers. > A minimum interval of thirty minutes is RECOMMENDED. However, it > still makes sense to keep trying the lame server when all servers > are seem to be lame as a last resort, in order to workaround the > type-specific lame servers described in the previous section. Thanks. I reworked this text and put it in. On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, Andras Salamon wrote: > I've attached a diff containing suggested fixes for a few nits. > > The first is a missing 'by'. Got it. > The second is an insertion of a conditional into a MUST clause. Got it. > The third is replacement of 'zone name' with 'domain name associated > with the root of the zone'. As far as I can tell, zone name is not a > term defined in any of the DNS standards documents and should be more > clearly specified. I disagree with this one: I think the text as it stands is sufficiently clear. > The last item is a fix for a double 'the'; this may have been obscured > by the line unwrap. Got it. On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Suzanne Woolf wrote: > My only reservation is with the use of standards-track language in a > BCP. The recommendations are good and useful in substance, but I'm not > entirely comfortable that we're doing as much as we reasonably could > to discourage errant vendors in future. I like the emphasis provided by the capitalized RFC 2119 words, but I'm open to all alternatives. On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Mark Andrews wrote: > 2.6.1 Recommendation > > The following sentence is not true. > > But in any case, the > address record must still be present in this zone, either as > authoritative data or glue. Yes, you're right. > The classic example is the root zone where the address > records for the root servers are not part of the root zone. > The root zone contains glue for the NET servers and the NET > zone contain glue for ROOT-SERVERS.NET servers. > > I would make 'missing "in zone" address records' a fatal load > error. Error messages don't get read unless the server stops > serving the zone. A address record is not "in zone" if there > is a delegation between the top of zone and the owner name of > the address record. > > Note: this also catches the cases were people only put in > glue records. In a IPv4 only world one could often get > away with this. In a IPv4/IPv6 world this fails miserably. There were several opinions on this. I changed the recommendation in 2.6.1 and I'm open to suggestions. > 2.3 Inability to follow multiple levels of out-of-zone glue > > Should also say how to avoid this pactice. The simple rule > is that "a server SHOULD be an official server for the zone > it lives in". Historically this was the case. Something like: > > You can avoid triggering this problem by always having a server > offically serve (be listed in the NS RRset) the zone it lives in. Good idea. I added this. On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Jaap Akkerhuis wrote: > Executive Summary > > Although I think that most of it is fine, I have an issue with > section 2.9, "Queries for domain names resembling IP addresses". > I fear the recommendation(s) in 2.9.1 will create more problems > then they will solve. Therefore I propose to drop this section. I didn't drop this section, but... > Details: > > Section 2.9 makes the observation that the root servers receive a > lot of queries, which are actually IP numbers and notes that it > would be desirable that these queries won't end up at the root > servers at all. Therefore it is suggested that > > (1) ... implementors consider the option of synthesizing > Name Error responses at the iterative resolver. The server > could claim authority for synthesized TLD's corresponding > to the first octet of every possible IP address, e.g. 1., > 2., through 255. This behavior could be configurable in > the (probably unlikely) event that numeric TLDs are ever > put into use. > > or that > > (2) ... root servers delegate these domains to separate > servers which are currently already delegated the in-addr.arpa > zones corresponding to RFC 1918 for the AS 112 "black hole" > project. > > Suggestion (1): > > I consider it a bad idea that resolvers synthesize answers for > some class of specific names as suggested in (1), it is simply not > in the dns specifications. Making configurable in case numerical > become existing is not a good idea, because when they do, it will > be difficult, if not impossible, to have the configurations of all > caching forwarders changed timely and consistently whenever this > needs to be done. ...I agree with this. Synthesizing Name Error is bad in light of DNSSEC, which we creep every closer toward. I've deleted this suggestion and beg forgiveness. > Suggestion (2): > > This means the root server operators change the root zone data on > their own, bypassing the usual channels. I disagree here: the root operators don't ever change the root zone contents. Ever. They just publish what comes from IANA. I think if IANA wanted to add numeric TLDs and delegate them to the AS 112 servers (or wherever), it would be a good thing. I don't ever expect this to happen, but I don't think there's harm in mentioning the problem of these IPv4-address-like domain names and a possible solution. > Also: > > - The observation in 2.9 concentrates on ipv4 like addresses used > as names, but that is just a subset of the problem that too many > queries end up where they don't belong. There are other ones, > such as queries for ".localdomain" and I won't be surprised that > ipv6 like addresses are showing up as well. You're right, there are other problem strings that show up at the roots. I suppose the section could be expanded cover them, but you have to start somewhere (if you're going to start in the first place). > - Using technical tricks as suggested tolerates misbehaving resolvers > or bad configuration issues and thereby removes the motivations > of getting these things fixed. Where will this stop? The problem is that there is no motivation for the offenders to fix anything: with little or no cost they spew their junk at the roots, where it is aggregated and becomes a nuisance. > - If these solutions are going to adapted be anyway, there might > be impact on DNSSEC, which will require further study. Agreed. On Wed, 01 Dec 2004, Peter Koch wrote: > > domain (TLD) name servers. In some cases we recommend minor > > additions to the DNS protocol specification and corresponding changes > > in iterative resolver implementations to alleviate these unnecessary > > This promise would probably not warrant the BCP but instead the standards > track. However, as far as I understood the recommendations they are all > guidelines for resolver implementors and (recursive) server operators, so > BCP > is OK. > However, I'd suggest the wording be changed to reflect that the standard > itself, i.e. the on-the-wire protocol, remains unchanged. These are > guidelines. I believe the new abstract and introduction is now clear about the scope and intent of the document. > > rate. Some of the changes recommended affect the core DNS protocol > > specification, described principally in RFC 1034 [2], RFC 1035 [3] > > and RFC 2181 [4]. > > Since I may have missed those changes, could they please be clearly > identified? That text is now gone. > > 2.1 Aggressive requerying for delegation information > > > > There can be times when every name server in a zone's NS RRset is > > unreachable (e.g., during a network outage), unavailable (e.g., the > > name server process is not running on the server host) or > > ... or the host does not exist (name doesn't resolve) ... > > > For this query of the parent zone to be useful, the target zone's > > entire set of name servers would have to change AND the former set of > > name servers would have to be deconfigured or decommissioned AND the > > delegation information in the parent zone would have to be updated > > with the new set of name servers, all within the TTL of the target > > zone's NS RRset. We believe this scenario is uncommon: > > administrative best practices dictate that changes to a zone's set of > > name servers happen gradually when at all possible, with servers > > removed from the NS RRset left authoritative for the zone as long as > > possible. The scenarios that we can envision that would benefit from > > the parent requery behavior do not outweigh its damaging effects. > > Explicit "NS" queries should never happen (there were some implicit > assumptions > in this direction during the discussion of wildcard NS RRs), but there are > situations where some requery can be justified: I've mentioned that QTYPE=NS is not part of the RFC 1034 algorithm. That being said, I don't think we need to fear it. > 1) When the NS-RRset in the parent zone is larger than that sent > authoritatively from within the zone, additional information may be > discovered. This is a configuration problem, of course, but is not too > uncommon. > > 2) More importantly, consider a cache content like this: > > example.com. NS dns.example.com. > NS dns.example.net. > dns.example.net. A 192.0.2.42 > > The dns.example.com A RR has expired. Now, if dns.example.net is not > available, the zone is 'non-responsive'. To learn the address of > dns.example.com. there's no other way than to make use of the necessary > glue RR present in the COM zone, so there is justification for going > one step up. Another recommendation following from this could be that the > address records of nameservers in or below the zone served should not > have > TTLs lower than the NS RRs. I've noted this example. > > 2.1.1 Recommendation > > > > An iterative resolver MUST NOT send a query for the NS RRset of a > > non-responsive zone to any of the name servers for that zone's parent > > zone. For the purposes of this injunction, a non-responsive zone is > > defined as a zone for which every name server listed in the zone's NS > > RRset: > > 1. is not authoritative for the zone (i.e., lame), or, > > 2. returns a server failure response (RCODE=2), or, > > 3. is dead or unreachable according to section 7.2 of RFC 2308 [5]. > > This recommendation now can be adjusted accordingly. Explicit NS type > queries > can be recommended against reagrdless of the responsiveness of the zone. > They > have no place in the resolution process, do they? I've chosen to leave the recommendation as-is because it addresses a very specific bad behavior that I don't want to get lost if it were generalized. I believe I've still addressed your concern about QTYPE=NS. > > 2.2.1 Recommendation > > > > Iterative resolvers SHOULD cache name servers that they discover are > > s/cache name servers/cache the status of name servers/; Got it. > > not authoritative for zones delegated to them (i.e. lame servers). > > Lame servers MUST be cached against the specific query tuple > name, class, server IP address>. Zone name can be derived from the > > owner name of the NS record that was referenced to query the name > > server that was discovered to be lame. Implementations that perform > > lame server caching MUST refrain from sending queries to known lame > > servers based on a time interval from when the server is discovered > > to be lame. A minimum interval of thirty minutes is RECOMMENDED. > > In general I support this recommendation. Here's a corner case: > > dns.example.com is delegated (and detected) lame example.com but > is authoritative for sub.example.net > > During resolving www.sub.example.net dns.example.com must be skipped but > upon > receipt of the referral containing the reference to dns.example.com it > should > be eligible again. The problem is that one cannot tell in advance whether > www.sub.example.net is part of the example.net zone. The recommendation > could be given more precisely: > > old: MUST refrain from sending queries to known lame servers > > new: MUST refrain from sending queries whose QNAME is likely to be in the > lame zone (i.e. equals the zone name or is below the zone name and > not > positively identified to belong to a distinct zone) to known lame > servers This is a good point (i.e., don't consider subzones lame) and I put text in to that effect. > > 2.3 Inability to follow multiple levels of out-of-zone glue > > In this paragraph the term glue is used where 'additional data' would be > more > precise. This is a tough one terminology-wise. I decided I didn't like additional data, so I changed the text to "inability to follow multiple levels of indirection". > > new gTLDs will use name servers in other gTLDs, increasing the amount > > of inter-zone glue. > > Again, that's not glue then. s/glue/additional data/ Changed to "indirection" and side-stepped the terminology issue. > > 2.4 Aggressive retransmission when fetching glue > > > implementations take this address inclusion a step further with a > > feature called "glue fetching". A name server that implements glue > > While at least one popular implementation called this 'fetch-glue', it's > actually just additional section processing. Glue is just there (or it > isn't), > it can't be fetched. That should have been clarified by the AXFR draft, but > that's unfortunately in some indetermined state. > Sorry for the nitpicking here, but fuzzy or changing use of wording is > extremely counterproductive in educating DNS operators. And yes, that does > matter since they are part of our target audience here. So please let's > use 'additional data processing' in favor of 'glue'. > > The overall recommendation is fine, though. Because there's a precedent for the term "glue fetching" and because by even the most conservative defitnion, "glue" is an out-of-zone address record, I left most occurrences of "glue" in this section. We might have to agree to disagree. :-) > > 2.6.1 Recommendation > > > > An authoritative server can detect this situation. A trailing dot > > missing from an NS record's RDATA always results by definition in a > > name server name that exists somewhere under the SOA of the zone the > > I'd prefer the term 'zone apex' over SOA, since the latter is just an RR > type. Yes, good call: I don't know what I was thinking using SOA here. > > NS record appears in. Note that further levels of delegation are > > possible, so a missing trailing dot could inadvertently create a name > > server name that actually exists in a subzone. But in any case, the > > address record must still be present in this zone, either as > > authoritative data or glue. > > I disagree with this analysis. Given the zone > > example.net. NS dns.example.net > -> dns.example.net.example.net. > > Now, if a delegation at example.net.example.net. or net.example.net. exists, > there's no need that dns.example.net.example.net. be one of the > authoritative > servers, so the absence of a glue A RR does not indicate that the name > dns.example.net.example.net. does not exist. So, not only doesn't it have to > exist in the zone, it also need not be part of the zone file (using the AXFR > draft logic). Yes, you're as right as Mark Andrews was. I changed the recommendation a bit. > > An authoritative name server SHOULD report an error when one of a > > zone's NS records references a name server below the zone's SOA when > > s/zone's SOA/zone apex/ Changed. > > a corresponding address record does not exist in the zone. > > First, I'd suggest that any slave server only issue a warning but still load > the zone. A master should report an error if the target of the NS RR > is below the zone apex and an address record does not exist (because the > name is within the zone and neither A nor AAAA RRsets exist or because the > name doesn't exist) and a warning if the domain name belongs to a child > zone (regardless of any glue RR). I couldn't reconcile everyone's suggestions for this recommendation, so we'll have to see how everyone likes what I wrote in 2.6.1. > > 2.7.1 Recommendation > > > > Because of the additional load placed on a zone's parent's > > authoritative servers resulting from a zero TTL on a zone's NS RRset, > > under such circumstances authoritative name servers SHOULD issue a > > warning when loading a zone or refuse to load the zone altogether. > > A warning is OK at both a master and a slave, otherwise a slave should not > refuse a zone on these grounds. Causing harm sometimes heals, but the > slave administrator can't do much about this problem. Also, the > recommendation > should be clear in what to do (warning vs error), and a warning seems less > invasive here. Also, refusing to load a 0 TTL zone while silently accepting > TTLs of 1 second is probably hard to sell. > This is registry policy, though, and could already be implemented there ... I relaxed 2.7.1 a bit. > > 2.8.1 Recommendation > > > > Dynamic update agents SHOULD send SOA or NS queries to progressively > > higher-level zones to find the closest enclosing zone for a given > > s/zones/names/, since there's no need to send the query to higher zones. > The actual problem is that you don't know what zone the name belongs to. Changed. > > name to update. Only after the appropriate zone is found should the > > client send an UPDATE message to one of the zone's authoritative > > I'd restrict this recommendation to SOA queries only. NS queries are > currently > not necessary and shouldn't be introduced. Also, the SOA MNAME might be > helpful anyway. I didn't (and don't) see the harm in using NS queries here. Unless we can make a case for their being harmful, I'd like to leave the text as-is. > > 2.9 Queries for domain names resembling IP addresses > > > > The root name servers receive a significant number of A record > > queries where the qname is an IP address. The source of these > > s/is an IP address/looks like an IP address/ Changed. > > 2.9.1 Recommendation > > > to produce the Name Error response directly. We suggest that > > implementors consider the option of synthesizing Name Error responses > > at the iterative resolver. The server could claim authority for > > synthesized TLD zones corresponding to the first octet of every > > possible IP address, e.g. 1., 2., through 255. This behavior could > > be configurable in the (probably unlikely) event that numeric TLDs > > are ever put into use. > > That would be in conflict with DNSSEC, which isn't discussed in the security > considerations section. Instead of fiddling with these issues at the > iterative > resolver, why not recommend stub resolvers either produce a name error or > silently translate the query to the appropriate answer as gethostbyname() > has been doing for quite some time? Ack to the DNSSEC concern. Regarding the stub resolver change, in my opinion, we don't want to condone the bad behavior, which help from gethostbyname() would do. > > Another option is to delegate these numeric TLDs from the root zone > > to a separate set of servers to absorb the traffic. The "black hole > > servers" used by the the AS 112 > > Project [8], which are currently > > delegated the in-addr.arpa zones corresponding to RFC 1918 [7] > > private use address space, would be a possible choice to receive > > these delegations. > > While that's an interesting project, now we have two alternatives. Which > one is endorsed by the WG? > > > 2.10 Misdirected recursive queries > > > 2.10.1 Recommendation > > > > When the IP address of a name server that supposedly offers recursion > > is configured in a stub resolver using an interactive user interface, > > the resolver could send a test query to verify that the server indeed > > That invites Murphy. The particular test query should be specified here, > i.e. '.invalid'. To decrease root server load further, the > test query might be sent non-recursively although I'm not confident that > all implementations will offer RA if the query did not have RD set. I didn't specify a specific query because any query should work, right? > > The stub resolver could also report an error, either through a user > > interface or in a log file, if the queried server does not support > > recursion. Error reporting SHOULD be throttled to avoid a > > notification or log message for every response from a non-recursive > > server. > > Now, if there's state to keep anyway (for throttling), the answers should > be delayed, too. This might work for stateless stub resolvers, too. I don't understand what you mean about answers being delayed. > > 2.11 Suboptimal name server selection algorithm > > > 2.11.1 Recommendation > > > This list is not conclusive, but reflects the changes that would > > produce the most impact in terms of reducing disproportionate query > > load among a zone's authoritative servers. I.e., these changes would > > help spread the query load evenly. > > o Do not make assumptions based on NS RRset order: all NS RRs SHOULD > > be treated equally. (In the case of the "com" zone, for example, > > most of the root servers return the NS record for > > "a.gtld-servers.net" first in the authority section of referrals. > > Apparently as a result, this server receives disproportionately > > more traffic than the other 12 authoritative servers for "com".) > > Shouldn't the root servers also shuffle the NS RRset, as most of them (K and > the NSD instance of H don't) do for the '.'? Please see my comments above about depending on RRset order. > > 4. Security considerations > > A discussion of the 'synthesis hack' in 2.9 is missing here. No longer necessary since synthesis hack was dropped. > > 6 Normative References > > > [8] > > Whether or not a reference is normative in a BCP may be irrelevant, but > since > this is a moving target, it might better be under informational references. Ack. > Finally, there's one assumption made in 1.1 which is current practice but > not explicitly stated anywhere as far as I remember: the fact that > 'recursive > servers' or so called 'iterative resolvers' actually send only non-recursive > queries. RFC 1034 in its section '2.3. Assumptions about usage' only > addresses > the server side, allowing servers to not offer recursion. The client side > is covered later: > > Clients may request recursive service > from any name server, though they should depend upon receiving > it only from servers which have previously sent an RA, or > servers which have agreed to provide service through private > agreement or some other means outside of the DNS protocol > > So, since root, TLD and many large ISP or enterprise servers have disabled > recursion over time, we'd have arrived where we are. However, looking at > our servers' logs, there are still a number of recursive queries which do > not result from misdirected (stub) resolvers (covered in 2.10). So, an > additional recommendation would be helpful stating that 'recursive servers' > only issue queries with RD bit cleared. I couldn't figure out a good place to fit this in. It is a little esoteric. :-) On Fri, 03 Dec 2004, Kevin Darcy wrote: > Strongly agreed. SOA and zone apex are *not* interchangeable terms. This > is one of my pet peeves and I'm surprised I didn't notice it in my > previous readings of this ID. 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Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: [dnsop] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-issues-11.txt Message-Id: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:50:01 -0400 Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations Working Group of the IETF. Title : Operational Considerations and Issues with IPv6 DNS Author(s) : A. Durand, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-issues-11.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2005-7-19 This memo presents operational considerations and issues with IPv6 Domain Name System (DNS), including a summary of special IPv6 addresses, documentation of known DNS implementation misbehaviour, recommendations and considerations on how to perform DNS naming for service provisioning and for DNS resolver IPv6 support, considerations for DNS updates for both the forward and reverse trees, and miscellaneous issues. This memo is aimed to include a summary of information about IPv6 DNS considerations for those who have experience with IPv4 DNS. 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This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations Working Group of the IETF. Title : Observed DNS Resolution Misbehavior Author(s) : M. Larson, P. Barber Filename : draft-ietf-dnsop-bad-dns-res-04.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2005-7-19 This memo describes DNS iterative resolver behavior that results in a significant query volume sent to the root and top-level domain (TLD) name servers. We offer implementation advice to iterative resolver developers to alleviate these unnecessary queries. The recommendations made in this document are a direct byproduct of observation and analysis of abnormal query traffic patterns seen at two of the thirteen root name servers and all thirteen com/net TLD name servers. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsop-bad-dns-res-04.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: David Meyer --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please forward comments to Rob and me. Thanks, Dave & Rob --- Domain Name System Operations (dnsop) MONDAY, August 1, 1030-1230 (Morning Session II) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D CHAIR(s): David Meyer Rob Austein AGENDA o Administriva 5 minutes - Mailing list: majordomo@lists.uoregon.edu subscribe dnsop - Scribe(s)? Jabber Other=20 - Blue Sheets o Agenda Bashing 5 minutes Meyer =20 o Review and status of work items =20 Newly Approved -------------- draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-configuration (Info) 5 minutes Jeong, et al. AD Followup ------------------------------- draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-issues (Info) 5 minutes Savola AD is watching =20 -------------- draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-operational-practices (Info) 5 minutes Kolkman, et. al =20 Active Drafts ------------- draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-04.txt 10 minutes Wolfe draft-ietf-dnsop-bad-dns-res-03.txt 5 minutes Larson/Barber draft-ietf-dnsop-inaddr-required-06.txt 3 minutes Senie draft-ietf-dnsop-key-rollover-requirements-02.txt 5 minutes Guette, et al. Expired Drafts=20 -------------- draft-ietf-dnsop-respsize-01.txt=20 Vixie/Kato draft-kato-dnsop-local-zones-00.txt Vixie/Kato Potential WG Items ------------------ draft-durand-dnsop-dont-publish 3 minutes Durand draft-morishita-dnsop-anycast-node-requirements-01.txt Morishita 10 minutes draft-krishnaswamy-dnsop-dnssec-split-view-00.txt 5 minutes Krishnaswamy draft-fujiwara-dnsop-bad-dns-auth-02.txt 5 minutes Fujiwara, et al draft-fujiwara-dnsop-dns-transport-issue-00.txt 5 minutes Fujiwara draft-massar-dnsop-service-00.txt 10 minutes Massar =20 draft-minda-dnsop-using-in-bailiwick-nameservers-01.txt 5 minutes=20 Minda draft-morishita-dnsop-anycast-node-requirements-01.txt 10 minutes Morishita --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFC3sZwORgD1qCZ2KcRAv6DAJ9oijtd7PfShqmcCvoM85THcKxRMACgjcqH SERpSwGU4izq9M9BP3pKBU8= =r+Xq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE-- . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Jul 20 19:50:36 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DvOKi-0005wt-C0 for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:50:36 -0400 Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (root@darkwing.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.13]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA16758 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KMZb0V008682; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j6KMZb20008638; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcore.fi (netcore.fi [193.94.160.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KMZYmR008147 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j6KMZJ325906; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:35:19 +0300 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:35:19 +0300 (EEST) From: Pekka Savola To: David Meyer cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: [dnsop] draft-huston-6to4-reverse-dns-xx? In-Reply-To: <20050720214728.GA23449@1-4-5.net> Message-ID: References: <20050720214728.GA23449@1-4-5.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Pekka Savola On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, David Meyer wrote: > Please forward comments to Rob and me. What is the status of draft-huston-6to4-reverse-dns-xx? It was discussed a meeting or two back, I thought it was to become a WG item, but it has been expired for a long while now. As the approach seems sane, the web pages have already been out there for 1+ years, and this stuff is needed, this should move along ASAP. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Jul 20 20:21:55 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DvOp1-0008Mw-Gp for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:21:55 -0400 Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (root@darkwing.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.13]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA18255 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KMgORJ004067; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j6KMgNvl004054; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m106.maoz.com (m106.maoz.com [205.167.76.9]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KMgMTk003979 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m106.maoz.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KMgMkQ026147; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:42:22 -0700 Received: (from dmm@localhost) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.4/8.12.11/Submit) id j6KMgMr5026146; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:42:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: m106.maoz.com: dmm set sender to dmm@1-4-5.net using -f Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:42:22 -0700 From: David Meyer To: Pekka Savola Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: [dnsop] Re: draft-huston-6to4-reverse-dns-xx? Message-ID: <20050720224222.GA26133@1-4-5.net> References: <20050720214728.GA23449@1-4-5.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-public-key: http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/public-key.asc X-gpg-fingerprint: 2409 8B50 B389 A307 BA5C 2A16 3918 03D6 A099 D8A7 X-philosophy: "I find your lack of faith disturbing." -- Darth Vader, Star Wars Episode IV. Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: David Meyer --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 01:35:19AM +0300, Pekka Savola wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, David Meyer wrote: > > Please forward comments to Rob and me. >=20 > What is the status of draft-huston-6to4-reverse-dns-xx? It was=20 > discussed a meeting or two back, I thought it was to become a WG item,=20 > but it has been expired for a long while now. >=20 > As the approach seems sane, the web pages have already been out there=20 > for 1+ years, and this stuff is needed, this should move along ASAP. I'll try to find 5 minutes on the agenda for it. Dave --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFC3tNOORgD1qCZ2KcRAg6nAJ9OkaEmBekfqkaKPbJ5unDlvnG6igCfehDA nLSL65Do/kqBxaJPmP++DH0= =rmDQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb-- . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Jul 20 22:45:23 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DvR3p-00042q-Nm for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:45:23 -0400 Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (root@darkwing.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.13]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA01132 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6L1LkxP025491; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j6L1LkZc025465; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.alcatel-sbell.com.cn (nat1.alcatel-sbell.com.cn [202.96.203.177]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6L1LZTZ024568 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asbmail4.sbell.com.cn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.alcatel-sbell.com.cn (8.12.11/8.12.11/Alcanet1.0) with ESMTP id j6L1KOBh005172; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:20:26 +0800 Received: from asbmail2.sbell.com.cn ([172.24.208.62]) by asbmail4.sbell.com.cn with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:21:12 +0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Subject: [dnsop] =?gb2312?B?tPC4tDogW2Ruc29wXSBkcmFmdCBETlNPUCBhZ2VuZGEgZm9yIElFVEYgNjM=?= Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:21:11 +0800 Message-ID: <9570C1261494D54D9D3115BC2C83429AA2F4DD@asbmail2.sbell.com.cn> Thread-Topic: [dnsop] draft DNSOP agenda for IETF 63 Thread-Index: AcWNfNeO8BH1hDDGSgaIS3QnvDiZ5AAFR5OA From: "CTO YAN Renxiang" To: "David Meyer" Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2005 01:21:12.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B24D440:01C58D92] X-imss-version: 2.012 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@alcatel-sbell.com.cn X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by darkwing.uoregon.edu id j6L1LjTZ025421 Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "CTO YAN Renxiang" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id WAA01132 Dear Chairs We would like to have a slot to present the following item: - The I-D document name DNS update in IPv6 stateless configuration This draft is currently available from http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yan-ipv6-ra-dns-00.txt RGs, renxiang yan > -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE----- > =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu=20 > [mailto:owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu] =B4=FA=B1=ED David Meyer > =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2005=C4=EA7=D4=C221=C8=D5 5:47 > =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu > =B3=AD=CB=CD: agenda@ietf.org > =D6=F7=CC=E2: [dnsop] draft DNSOP agenda for IETF 63 >=20 >=20 > Please forward comments to Rob and me. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Dave & Rob >=20 > --- > Domain Name System Operations (dnsop) >=20 > MONDAY, August 1, 1030-1230 (Morning Session II)=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > CHAIR(s): David Meyer > Rob Austein >=20 > AGENDA >=20 > o Administriva =09 > 5 minutes >=20 > - Mailing list: majordomo@lists.uoregon.edu > subscribe dnsop >=20 > - Scribe(s)? > Jabber > Other=20 >=20 > - Blue Sheets >=20 > o Agenda Bashing 5 minutes > Meyer =20 >=20 > o Review and status of work items =20 >=20 > Newly Approved > -------------- > draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-configuration (Info) 5 minutes > Jeong, et al. >=20 > AD Followup > ------------------------------- > draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-issues (Info) 5 minutes > Savola >=20 > AD is watching =20 > -------------- > draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-operational-practices (Info) 5 minutes > Kolkman, et. al > =20 > Active Drafts > ------------- > draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-04.txt 10 minutes > Wolfe > draft-ietf-dnsop-bad-dns-res-03.txt =09 > 5 minutes > Larson/Barber > draft-ietf-dnsop-inaddr-required-06.txt 3 minutes > Senie > draft-ietf-dnsop-key-rollover-requirements-02.txt 5 minutes > Guette, et al. >=20 > Expired Drafts=20 > -------------- > draft-ietf-dnsop-respsize-01.txt=20 > Vixie/Kato > draft-kato-dnsop-local-zones-00.txt > Vixie/Kato >=20 > Potential WG Items > ------------------ > draft-durand-dnsop-dont-publish 3 minutes > Durand > draft-morishita-dnsop-anycast-node-requirements-01.txt > Morishita =09 > 10 minutes > draft-krishnaswamy-dnsop-dnssec-split-view-00.txt 5 minutes > Krishnaswamy > draft-fujiwara-dnsop-bad-dns-auth-02.txt 5 minutes > Fujiwara, et al > draft-fujiwara-dnsop-dns-transport-issue-00.txt 5 minutes > Fujiwara > draft-massar-dnsop-service-00.txt 10 minutes > Massar =20 > draft-minda-dnsop-using-in-bailiwick-nameservers-01.txt 5 minutes=20 > Minda > draft-morishita-dnsop-anycast-node-requirements-01.txt 10 minutes > Morishita >=20 >=20 >=20 =2E dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Jul 21 03:01:32 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DvV3k-0003DZ-GP for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:01:32 -0400 Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (root@darkwing.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.13]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA06180 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6L5RqUI027544; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j6L5RpxM027517; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.alcatel-sbell.com.cn (nat1.alcatel-sbell.com.cn [202.96.203.177]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6L5RjOh026887 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asbmail4.sbell.com.cn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.alcatel-sbell.com.cn (8.12.11/8.12.11/Alcanet1.0) with ESMTP id j6L5QBc2018847; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:26:50 +0800 Received: from asbmail2.sbell.com.cn ([172.24.208.62]) by asbmail4.sbell.com.cn with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:27:17 +0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Subject: [dnsop] re: draft DNSOP agenda for IETF 63 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:25:41 +0800 Message-ID: <9570C1261494D54D9D3115BC2C83429A0BB702@asbmail2.sbell.com.cn> Thread-Topic: re: draft DNSOP agenda for IETF 63 Thread-Index: AcWNfNeO8BH1hDDGSgaIS3QnvDiZ5AAFR5OAAAWiHGAAAhlDIA== From: "CTO YAN Renxiang" To: "Jaehoon Jeong" Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2005 05:27:17.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBDF95A0:01C58DB4] X-imss-version: 2.012 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@alcatel-sbell.com.cn X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by darkwing.uoregon.edu id j6L5RpOh027465 Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "CTO YAN Renxiang" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id DAA06180 Hi Paul, Thanks for your information. I haven't checked the history list in the DNSOP, and when I submitted the draft half year ago in IPv6 WG, I received few comment. The main and most important difference between our I-D is in the DNS=20 update operation. Update happens between host and DNS server, or router update the DNS for the host, similar to FQDN option. My main intension is= to=20 keep the security between router and DNS server. The problem of ND security is painful but I think SEND WG has don't a lot= in this area. I'm not going to start the discussion of ND service discovery here. But I= still think embedding DNS update in RA/RS may be better :-) RGs, Renxiang ----------------------- Renxiang Yan, Research Engineer Research & Innovation Center, Alcatel Shanghai Bell. ------------ > -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE----- > =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Jaehoon Jeong [mailto:jeong015@umn.edu]=20 > =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2005=C4=EA7=D4=C221=C8=D5 12:33 > =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: CTO YAN Renxiang > =B3=AD=CB=CD: 'David Meyer'; dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu > =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: draft DNSOP agenda for IETF 63 >=20 >=20 > Hi Renxiang Yan, >=20 > This is an interesting draft. > Actually, I published and presented a similar draft two years=20 > ago (in IETF-57 meeting):=20 > http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~jjeong/publications/ietf-internet -draft/draft-j > eong-ipv6-ra-dns- > autoconf-00.txt >=20 > In my memory, most of IPv6 and DNS people at the meeting=20 > didn't like my auto-configuration and auto-registration of=20 > DNS name based on RA/RS because of the ND Security and the=20 > availability of the DHCP Client FQDN Option. :-) >=20 > Also, many people disagreed that ND can be used for generic=20 > service discovery, such as proxy server and NTP server. But=20 > some of them agreed at the configuration of recursive DNS=20 > server addresses in IPv6 host which is based on IPv6 RA=20 > option for DNS server address as follows: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns- > configuration- > 06.txt >=20 > I am afraid that the previous discussion on ND-based service=20 > discovery will start again. >=20 > This is a piece of the DNSOP history from which I think you=20 > can get some information with regard to your work. >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > Regards, > Paul >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Jaehoon Paul Jeong, > Ph.D. Student, > Department of Computer Science > University of Minnesota at Twin Cities > Email: jjeong@cs.umn.edu > URI: http://www.cs.umn.edu/~jjeong/ > Phone: +1-612-624-6208(Office), 651-587-7774(Cell) >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu=20 > [mailto:owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu] > On Behalf Of CTO YAN Renxiang > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 8:21 PM > To: David Meyer > Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu > Subject: [dnsop] =B4=F0=B8=B4: [dnsop] draft DNSOP agenda for IETF 63 >=20 > Dear Chairs >=20 > We would like to have a slot to present the following item: >=20 > - The I-D document name > DNS update in IPv6 stateless configuration > This draft is currently available from=20 > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yan-ipv6-ra-dns-00.txt >=20 > RGs, > renxiang yan >=20 >=20 > > -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE----- > > =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu > > [mailto:owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu] =B4=FA=B1=ED David Meyer > > =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2005=C4=EA7=D4=C221=C8=D5 5:47 > > =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu > > =B3=AD=CB=CD: agenda@ietf.org > > =D6=F7=CC=E2: [dnsop] draft DNSOP agenda for IETF 63 > >=20 > >=20 > > Please forward comments to Rob and me. > >=20 > > Thanks, > >=20 > > Dave & Rob > >=20 > > --- > > Domain Name System Operations (dnsop) > >=20 > > MONDAY, August 1, 1030-1230 (Morning Session II) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >=20 > > CHAIR(s): David Meyer > > Rob Austein > >=20 > > AGENDA > >=20 > > o Administriva =09 > > 5 minutes > >=20 > > - Mailing list: majordomo@lists.uoregon.edu > > subscribe dnsop > >=20 > > - Scribe(s)? > > Jabber > > Other > >=20 > > - Blue Sheets > >=20 > > o Agenda Bashing 5 minutes > > Meyer =20 > >=20 > > o Review and status of work items =20 > >=20 > > Newly Approved > > -------------- > > draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-configuration (Info) 5 minutes > > Jeong, et al. > >=20 > > AD Followup > > ------------------------------- > > draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-issues (Info) 5 minutes > > Savola > >=20 > > AD is watching =20 > > -------------- > > draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-operational-practices (Info) 5 minutes > > Kolkman, et. al > > =20 > > Active Drafts > > ------------- > > draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-04.txt 10 minutes > > Wolfe > > draft-ietf-dnsop-bad-dns-res-03.txt =09 > > 5 minutes > > Larson/Barber > > draft-ietf-dnsop-inaddr-required-06.txt 3 minutes > > Senie > > draft-ietf-dnsop-key-rollover-requirements-02.txt=09 > 5 minutes > > Guette, et al. > >=20 > > Expired Drafts=20 > > -------------- > > draft-ietf-dnsop-respsize-01.txt=20 > > Vixie/Kato > > draft-kato-dnsop-local-zones-00.txt > > Vixie/Kato > >=20 > > Potential WG Items > > ------------------ > > draft-durand-dnsop-dont-publish 3 minutes > > Durand > > draft-morishita-dnsop-anycast-node-requirements-01.txt > > Morishita =09 > > 10 minutes > > draft-krishnaswamy-dnsop-dnssec-split-view-00.txt=09 > 5 minutes > > Krishnaswamy > > draft-fujiwara-dnsop-bad-dns-auth-02.txt 5 minutes > > Fujiwara, et al > > draft-fujiwara-dnsop-dns-transport-issue-00.txt 5 minutes > > Fujiwara > > draft-massar-dnsop-service-00.txt 10 minutes > > Massar =20 > > draft-minda-dnsop-using-in-bailiwick-nameservers-01.txt=20 > 5 minutes=20 > > Minda > > draft-morishita-dnsop-anycast-node-requirements-01.txt 10 minutes > > Morishita > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > . > dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ > web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html > mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html >=20 >=20 =2E dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Jul 21 10:52:17 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DvcPJ-0005Ns-Lz for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:52:17 -0400 Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (root@darkwing.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.13]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA07298 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LDiVQt021668; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j6LDiVeL021644; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtaout-m.tc.umn.edu (mtaout-m.tc.umn.edu [160.94.23.21]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6L4Y4HA023760 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from umncsjjeong (c-24-245-76-241.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [24.245.76.241]) by mtaout-m.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:34:03 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] c-24-245-76-241.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [24.245.76.241] #+TS+AU+HN Message-Id: From: "Jaehoon Jeong" To: "'CTO YAN Renxiang'" Cc: "'David Meyer'" , Subject: [dnsop] RE: draft DNSOP agenda for IETF 63 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:33:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <9570C1261494D54D9D3115BC2C83429AA2F4DD@asbmail2.sbell.com.cn> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWNfNeO8BH1hDDGSgaIS3QnvDiZ5AAFR5OAAAWiHGA= X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by darkwing.uoregon.edu id j6L4Y4HA023772 Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Jaehoon Jeong" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id KAA07298 Hi Renxiang Yan, This is an interesting draft. Actually, I published and presented a similar draft two years ago (in IETF-57 meeting): http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~jjeong/publications/ietf-internet-draft/draf= t-j eong-ipv6-ra-dns- autoconf-00.txt In my memory, most of IPv6 and DNS people at the meeting didn't like my auto-configuration and auto-registration of DNS name based on RA/RS becau= se of the ND Security and the availability of the DHCP Client FQDN Option. := -) Also, many people disagreed that ND can be used for generic service discovery, such as proxy server and NTP server. But some of them agreed a= t the configuration of recursive DNS server addresses in IPv6 host which is based on IPv6 RA option for DNS server address as follows: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-configurati= on- 06.txt I am afraid that the previous discussion on ND-based service discovery wi= ll start again. This is a piece of the DNSOP history from which I think you can get some information with regard to your work. Thanks. Regards, Paul =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Jaehoon Paul Jeong, Ph.D. Student, Department of Computer Science University of Minnesota at Twin Cities Email: jjeong@cs.umn.edu URI: http://www.cs.umn.edu/~jjeong/ Phone: +1-612-624-6208(Office), 651-587-7774(Cell) -----Original Message----- From: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu [mailto:owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu= ] On Behalf Of CTO YAN Renxiang Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 8:21 PM To: David Meyer Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: [dnsop] =B4=F0=B8=B4: [dnsop] draft DNSOP agenda for IETF 63 Dear Chairs We would like to have a slot to present the following item: - The I-D document name DNS update in IPv6 stateless configuration This draft is currently available from http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yan-ipv6-ra-dns-00.txt RGs, renxiang yan > -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE----- > =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu > [mailto:owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu] =B4=FA=B1=ED David Meyer > =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2005=C4=EA7=D4=C221=C8=D5 5:47 > =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu > =B3=AD=CB=CD: agenda@ietf.org > =D6=F7=CC=E2: [dnsop] draft DNSOP agenda for IETF 63 > > > Please forward comments to Rob and me. > > Thanks, > > Dave & Rob > > --- > Domain Name System Operations (dnsop) > > MONDAY, August 1, 1030-1230 (Morning Session II) > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > CHAIR(s): David Meyer > Rob Austein > > AGENDA > > o Administriva > 5 minutes > > - Mailing list: majordomo@lists.uoregon.edu > subscribe dnsop > > - Scribe(s)? > Jabber > Other > > - Blue Sheets > > o Agenda Bashing 5 minutes > Meyer > > o Review and status of work items > > Newly Approved > -------------- > draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-configuration (Info) 5 minutes > Jeong, et al. > > AD Followup > ------------------------------- > draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-issues (Info) 5 minutes > Savola > > AD is watching > -------------- > draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-operational-practices (Info) 5 minutes > Kolkman, et. al > > Active Drafts > ------------- > draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-04.txt 10 minutes > Wolfe > draft-ietf-dnsop-bad-dns-res-03.txt > 5 minutes > Larson/Barber > draft-ietf-dnsop-inaddr-required-06.txt 3 minutes > Senie > draft-ietf-dnsop-key-rollover-requirements-02.txt 5 minutes > Guette, et al. > > Expired Drafts > -------------- > draft-ietf-dnsop-respsize-01.txt > Vixie/Kato > draft-kato-dnsop-local-zones-00.txt > Vixie/Kato > > Potential WG Items > ------------------ > draft-durand-dnsop-dont-publish 3 minutes > Durand > draft-morishita-dnsop-anycast-node-requirements-01.txt > Morishita > 10 minutes > draft-krishnaswamy-dnsop-dnssec-split-view-00.txt 5 minutes > Krishnaswamy > draft-fujiwara-dnsop-bad-dns-auth-02.txt 5 minutes > Fujiwara, et al > draft-fujiwara-dnsop-dns-transport-issue-00.txt 5 minutes > Fujiwara > draft-massar-dnsop-service-00.txt 10 minutes > Massar > draft-minda-dnsop-using-in-bailiwick-nameservers-01.txt 5 minutes > Minda > draft-morishita-dnsop-anycast-node-requirements-01.txt 10 minutes > Morishita > > > =2E dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html =2E dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Jul 21 11:07:10 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dvcdi-0004HF-NN for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:07:10 -0400 Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (root@darkwing.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.13]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA08340 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LDm8qm002933; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j6LDm8K8002901; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcore.fi (netcore.fi [193.94.160.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LDm6oH002553 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j6LDm0Q11445 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:48:00 +0300 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:48:00 +0300 (EEST) From: Pekka Savola To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: [dnsop] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-issues-11.txt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Pekka Savola FYI -- This version tries to capture most of the IESG comments received so far, in particular the dialogue with Thomas Narten. I've yet to hear from him whether the current text is OK, but in the meantime I'd encourage the WG members interested in this doc to take a look especially in section 4.4 and appendix B. The main change has been to move background discussion of additional data to the appendix. (Remember, the document is already beyond IESG evaluation, so there can't be substantial revision, but if there are any errors etc. in there, these could probably be fixed.) On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Operational Considerations and Issues with > IPv6 DNS > Author(s) : A. Durand, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-issues-11.txt > Pages : 30 > Date : 2005-7-19 > > This memo presents operational considerations and issues with IPv6 > Domain Name System (DNS), including a summary of special IPv6 > addresses, documentation of known DNS implementation misbehaviour, > recommendations and considerations on how to perform DNS naming for > service provisioning and for DNS resolver IPv6 support, > considerations for DNS updates for both the forward and reverse > trees, and miscellaneous issues. This memo is aimed to include a > summary of information about IPv6 DNS considerations for those who > have experience with IPv4 DNS. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-issues-11.txt -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Jul 21 11:22:27 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DvcsU-0002VG-VT for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:22:27 -0400 Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (root@darkwing.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.13]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09384 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LDtCRY025405; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j6LDtCTH025383; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m106.maoz.com (m106.maoz.com [205.167.76.9]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LDtB9P025325 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m106.maoz.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LDsoWl004454; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:54:50 -0700 Received: (from dmm@localhost) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.4/8.12.11/Submit) id j6LDsodF004453; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:54:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: m106.maoz.com: dmm set sender to dmm@1-4-5.net using -f Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:54:50 -0700 From: David Meyer To: agenda@ietf.org Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: [dnsop] updated DNSOP agenda for IETF 63 Message-ID: <20050721135450.GA4440@1-4-5.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3MwIy2ne0vdjdPXF" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-public-key: http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/public-key.asc X-gpg-fingerprint: 2409 8B50 B389 A307 BA5C 2A16 3918 03D6 A099 D8A7 X-philosophy: "I find your lack of faith disturbing." -- Darth Vader, Star Wars Episode IV. Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: David Meyer --3MwIy2ne0vdjdPXF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Domain Name System Operations (dnsop) MONDAY, August 1, 1030-1230 (Morning Session II) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D CHAIR(s): David Meyer Rob Austein AGENDA o Administriva 5 minutes - Mailing list: majordomo@lists.uoregon.edu subscribe dnsop - Scribe(s)? Jabber Other=20 - Blue Sheets o Agenda Bashing 5 minutes Meyer =20 o Review and status of work items =20 Newly Approved -------------- draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-configuration (Info) 5 minutes Jeong, et al. AD Followup ------------------------------- draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-issues (Info) 5 minutes Savola AD is watching =20 -------------- draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-operational-practices (Info) 5 minutes Kolkman, et. al =20 Active Drafts ------------- draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-04.txt 10 minutes Wolfe draft-ietf-dnsop-bad-dns-res-03.txt 5 minutes Larson/Barber draft-ietf-dnsop-inaddr-required-06.txt 3 minutes Senie draft-ietf-dnsop-key-rollover-requirements-02.txt 5 minutes Guette, et al. 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From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Jul 21 12:47:52 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DveDA-0001JU-JI for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:47:52 -0400 Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (root@darkwing.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.13]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA17408 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LFFNWF028711; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j6LFFNaK028671; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from send01.jprs.co.jp (send01.jprs.co.jp [202.11.17.113]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LFFLV3028250 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from send01.jprs.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by send01.jprs.co.jp (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with SMTP id j6LFETR9011014; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:14:29 +0900 (JST) Received: (from ssh-tunnel [202.11.16.62]) by send01.jprs.co.jp (SMSSMTP 4.0.4.64) with SMTP id M2005072200142821989 ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:14:28 +0900 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:13:59 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20050722.001359.42415128.yasuhiro@jprs.co.jp> To: dmm@1-4-5.net Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu, agenda@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsop] draft DNSOP agenda for IETF 63 From: Yasuhiro Orange Morishita / =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCPzkyPEJZOSgbKEI=?= In-Reply-To: <20050720214728.GA23449@1-4-5.net> References: <20050720214728.GA23449@1-4-5.net> Organization: Japan Registry Service Co.,Ltd. (JPRS) X-Mailer: Mew version 4.1rc3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Yasuhiro Orange Morishita / =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCPzkyPEJZOSgbKEI=?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Dave-san, > Domain Name System Operations (dnsop) > > Potential WG Items > ------------------ > ... > draft-morishita-dnsop-anycast-node-requirements-01.txt > Morishita 10 minutes > ... > draft-morishita-dnsop-anycast-node-requirements-01.txt 10 minutes > Morishita My drafts are duplicated :). -- Yasuhiro 'Orange' Morishita DNS Technical Engineer Research and Development department, Japan Registry Services Co.,Ltd. (JPRS) E-Mail: yasuhiro@jprs.co.jp / orange@jprs.co.jp . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Jul 21 13:28:34 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DveqY-00031g-5q for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:28:34 -0400 Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (root@darkwing.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.13]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20306 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LGNd7x003111; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j6LGNdGg003107; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m106.maoz.com (m106.maoz.com [205.167.76.9]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LGNbpC003037 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m106.maoz.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LGNK6K009371; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:23:20 -0700 Received: (from dmm@localhost) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.4/8.12.11/Submit) id j6LGNF5k009370; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:23:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: m106.maoz.com: dmm set sender to dmm@1-4-5.net using -f Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:23:15 -0700 From: David Meyer To: Yasuhiro Orange Morishita / =?utf-8?B?5qOu5LiL5rOw5a6P?= Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu, agenda@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsop] draft DNSOP agenda for IETF 63 Message-ID: <20050721162315.GA9358@1-4-5.net> References: <20050720214728.GA23449@1-4-5.net> <20050722.001359.42415128.yasuhiro@jprs.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050722.001359.42415128.yasuhiro@jprs.co.jp> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-public-key: http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/public-key.asc X-gpg-fingerprint: 2409 8B50 B389 A307 BA5C 2A16 3918 03D6 A099 D8A7 X-philosophy: "I find your lack of faith disturbing." -- Darth Vader, Star Wars Episode IV. Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: David Meyer --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 12:13:59AM +0900, Yasuhiro Orange Morishita / =E6= =A3=AE=E4=B8=8B=E6=B3=B0=E5=AE=8F wrote: > Hello, Dave-san, >=20 > > Domain Name System Operations (dnsop) > >=20 > > Potential WG Items > > ------------------ > > ... > > draft-morishita-dnsop-anycast-node-requirements-01.txt > > Morishita 10 minutes > > ... > > draft-morishita-dnsop-anycast-node-requirements-01.txt 10 minutes > > Morishita >=20 > My drafts are duplicated :). Ack, thanks. 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This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations Working Group of the IETF. Title : DNS Response Size Issues Author(s) : P. Vixie, . Kato Filename : draft-ietf-dnsop-respsize-02.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2005-7-21 With a mandated default minimum maximum message size of 512 octets, the DNS protocol presents some special problems for zones wishing to expose a moderate or high number of authority servers (NS RRs). This document explains the operational issues caused by, or related to this response size limit. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsop-respsize-02.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. 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Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: David Meyer --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See also http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/IETF/IETF63/DNSOP/agenda Thanks, Dave --- Domain Name System Operations (dnsop) MONDAY, August 1, 1030-1230 (Morning Session II) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D CHAIR(s): David Meyer Rob Austein AGENDA o Administriva 5 minutes - Mailing list: majordomo@lists.uoregon.edu subscribe dnsop - Scribe(s)? Jabber Other=20 - Blue Sheets o Agenda Bashing 5 minutes Meyer =20 o Review and status of work items =20 Newly Approved -------------- draft-ietf-dnsop-ipv6-dns-configuration (Info) 5 minutes Jeong, et al. 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