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id jB9AIgnq012171 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 02:18:42 -0800 Received: by unknown.office.denic.de (Postfix, from userid 501) id 347741DAED4; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:18:36 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:18:36 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNSOP WG Subject: [dnsop] Draft DNSOP Vancouver minutes Message-ID: <20051209101836.GE383@unknown.office.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1206/Thu Dec 8 11:56:45 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Dear WG, the draft minutes of our Vancouver meeting have been uploaded and are available at as well as in this message. Apologies for the delay and thanks to Sam Weiler for for doing an excellent job. Thanks also to George Michaelson for being the Jabber scribe. Please submit comments and corrections asap; the proceedings will be frozen on December 26. -Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- DNSOP WG IETF64 Meeting Minutes (draft) Date: 8 November 2005, 15:10-17:10 [PST] Scribe: Sam Weiler Jabber Scribe: George Michaelson Chairs: Rob Austein & Peter Koch ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Process changes The chairs asked for agreement on a temporary moratorium on new work items until items on current agendas are gone, either through publication or killing documents. Before the next IETF, they hope to go through each of the current work items and kill those that the WG won't commit to reviewing (approx. five individuals). Then, for new work, if the WG can't get N (5?) people to review an item, we don't take it on. While agreeing that a simple "hummm" should not be sufficient for taking on new work, Olaf expressed the concern that requiring an empty stack before taking on new work may be bad. He asked that if new items are useful we go ahead and accept them (after applying the gating function based on number of reviewers). The chairs agreed to this modification Two other suggestions were made: Pekka Savola suggested that every author proposing a draft should publicly review 5 other docs. And Liman suggested assigning small teams to shepherd (new) docs, rather than a single editor. No objections were raised to the chairs' proposal. Documents past last WG The chairs listed the docs beyond WG last call, per the agenda. The chairs called for a show of hands for those who had read draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-operational-practices and think we should advance it. David Kessens explained that ipv6-dns-issues passed IESG except for one AD. The doc will be on next IESG telechat agenda to try to clear that Discuss. Mohsen asked for clarification about the state of ipv6-dns-configuration, and the chair confirmed that this WG is done with it -- the IESG just wanted it as input for chartering decisions. Active drafts draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-05.txt There was a WGLC on the serverid draft and the editor believes all substantive comments have been addressed in current draft. The draft is waiting for the chairs to advance it; no further work is needed in the WG at this time. Olaf raised the question of whether this work is still needed since the NSID draft in DNSEXT has now progressed. The chairs asked if any in the room thought the draft was not needed (no hands), who supported publications (modest humm), who opposed (silence), and who had read it (some hands). draft-ietf-dnsop-inaddr-required-07.txt For inaddr-required, less than a handful of those present acknowledged having read the CURRENT version of the draft. There were 4-6 people willing to commit to reading the draft, though some of those specifically declined to agree that the draft was worth advancing. The chairs will take the decision of what to do with the draft to the list. draft-ietf-dnsop-respsize-02.txt The chairs called for a show of hands for those who had read the LATEST version of the respsize draft and thought it was ready for last call. They asked those uncomfortable with advancing it to send comments to the list. Expired drafts draft-huston-6to4-reverse-dns-03.txt This was a product of an IAB IPv6 ad hoc group that suggested this WG review it and publish it as informational. This has not been published elsewhere, but it has gotten substantial review, and the service it describes is now up and running. Pekka Savola expressed concerns about whether this document accurately describes the service as it's running and will continue to run. Geoff assured us that this does accurately describe the current service, but that there are no reassurances the service won't change in the future. The service is in the last stages of testing, not productions, so issues that arise during WGLC can still be considered. Ed Lewis also expressed concerns that we were being asked to rubber stamp others' work. David Kessens reassured the WG that we can indeed make changes to the document -- this isn't a request for rubber stamping. Sam Weiler and Lars-Johan Liman asked why DNSOP was being asked to review this, rather than the IAB publishing it directly or the editor sending it in as an individual submission. It was explained that the IAB has asked us to take this on -- they'd rather see us publish it. David Kessens expressed a preference against individual submissions, in part because of the RFC Editor's ISR delays. The chairs called for reviewers and some committed. draft-fujiwara-dnsop-dns-transport-issue-00.txt The editor is withdrawing the draft. Potential new items. draft-andrews-full-service-resolvers-01.txt Mark gave a brief presentation (see slides in the proceedings) arguing that having an RFC will help encourage some vendors to do this. The chairs asked that the detailed discussion of the names on the list be deferred. They clarified that this is NOT a protocol change and offered an alternate explanation: it's like replicating AS112 on all recursive resolvers. Olaf pointed out that the registry lacks an allocation policy and as asked to send text fixing that. Peter Lothberg started a brief discussion of alternatives to NXDOMAIN answers (such as answering the queries) and Bill Manning told of his experiences doing that. When he first proposed standing up dedicated servers for this, the IANA said this was ludicrous -- these queries would never make it out onto the live net. This was a safety net. When they actually tried it, there was a huge number of queries and Bill got an "exorbitant" number of threats from important people. There was some discussion of whether this "blacklist" needs to be updated regularly, and Mark explained that one must be careful about what names are added -- removal from the list is difficult. Olafur and David Hankins spoke up in support of the draft and committed to review it. The chairs called for other reviewers. draft-minda-dnsop-using-in-bailiwick-nameservers-01.txt draft-morishita-dnsop-anycast-node-requirements-01.txt The editors of these documents weren't present; discussion should go to the list. draft-durand-dnsop-dont-publish-01.txt Very few comments have been made about it on the list and it's not clear how interested the WG is. There was discussion of whether to mention split-brain configuration in the draft -- consensus seems to be strongly in favor of doing so, recognizing that split brain is a fact of life. The chairs encouraged the editor to submit a new version within 8-10 weeks, which should be about the time that the WG has finished its review of existing items and is ready to consider new work. draft-kurtis-tld-ops-00.txt The editor didn't get a revision in by the draft cutoff and promised to do better next time. draft-krishnaswamy-dnsop-dnssec-split-view-01.txt This draft has gotten very few comments on the list (there were no responses to a query from Ed Lewis in August). The chairs called for reviewers, and 5-6 people volunteered. draft-pappas-dnsop-long-ttl-00.txt The chairs pointed out this document, which will be discussed on the list later. They're particularly concerned with how this interacts with DNSSEC and would especially appreciate review by TLD operators and registries. Charter and direction The chairs pointed out that the previous charter focuses on work in three areas: 1) IPv4/v6 coexistence 2) DNSSEC 3) general DNS operations The chairs asked if there are any other big areas that need to be included, and Ed Lewis mentioned the resolver and measurement of the effects of DNS operational changes. Any other business draft-kato-dnsop-local-zones-00.txt There was a brief discussion of whether Kato-san's local zones draft should be merged into Andrews' draft. Liman spoke up for keeping them separate. draft-conroy-enum-edns0-01.txt The question was raised of how to support other working groups, in particular reviewing this draft. Patrik, as an ENUM chair asked if we need a doc saying "you should do EDNS0" (some phone handsets aren't.) and, if so, should we do that in DNSOP, in ENUM, or in ENUM reviewed in DNSOP? Rob thinks DNSOP should go ahead and review it, to save the IESG the hassle of sending it to us later in the process. Patrik asked for a coeditor and Liman volunteered. There was discussion of the scope of the document: whether it should include both operational and implementation requirements and, since this touches clients, servers, and middleboxes, whether the doc would grow unwieldy. It was suggested that a big doc would do ENUM a disservice -- they need a short, terse doc with lots of requirements to use to beat implementers. ENUM and other WGs that need such a document should write it themselves, with our review, and if we want a bigger, more comprehensive document, we can reuse text from their documents. (Mark Andrews volunteered to review a DNS firewalls rules document.) Following up on the discussion of draft-andrews-full-service-resolvers and Bill Manning's stories, Dave Hankins mentioned that as a contact for AS112 advertised address space, he regularly gets phone calls from folks who think they're under attack. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C601EA.5368F400-- From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Dec 15 18:35:40 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1En2dP-0007KV-PA for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:35:40 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (mailapps.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA02010 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:34:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+ZJFl76/kwt1DaIjn/tgmq/jl/UNMAmqw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBFMnjEs012933; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:49:45 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBFMnjKi012932; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:49:45 -0800 Received: from postman.ripe.net (postman.ripe.net [193.0.0.199]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBFMniBs012927 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:49:44 -0800 Received: by postman.ripe.net (Postfix, from userid 4008) id E6179241F6; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:49:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from cod.ripe.net (cod.ripe.net [193.0.1.202]) by postman.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0387C241EB; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:49:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from cow.ripe.net (cow.ripe.net [193.0.1.239]) by cod.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86023726A3; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:49:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (brettcarr@localhost) by cow.ripe.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jBFMnKur002106; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:49:20 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: cow.ripe.net: brettcarr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:49:20 +0100 (CET) From: Brett Carr To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Cc: woolf@isc.org, david.conrad@nominum.com Subject: [dnsop] draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-05.txt review Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-RIPE-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-RIPE-Spam-Status: N 0.000000 / -5.9 X-RIPE-Signature: 292932a48f6d4e671fa6e548d3b6fc4f X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1210/Thu Dec 15 07:23:22 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Hello, please find below notes from my review of draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-05.txt First of all let me say that I think this is a very informative and well put together document. I have only 3 comments, 2 for additional information to be added and 1 for grammar. > 2. Existing Conventions > Recent versions of the commonly deployed Berkeley Internet Name > Domain implementation of the DNS protocol suite from the Internet > Systems Consortium [BIND] support a way of identifying a particular > server via the use of a standards-compliant, if somewhat unusual, DNS > query. Specifically, a query to a late model BIND server for a TXT Maybe it is worth adding in here what version of bind this support started in rather than just mentioning 'late model BIND' server. Might be useful for people reading the document and running BIND to instantly know whether there server supports this functionality. >2.2. Disadvantages > At the same time, there are some serious drawbacks to the CHAOS/TXT > query mechanism that argue against standardizing it as it currently > operates. > 1. It requires an additional query to correlate between the answer > to a DNS query under normal conditions and the supposed identity > of the server receiving the query. There are a number of > situations in which this simply isn't reliable. I think that a slight expansion on 'a number of situations' here might be useful, either some general expansion on what is meant or a couple of examples. and lastly >1. Introduction and Rationale > Identifying which name server is responding to queries is often > useful, particularly in attempting to diagnose name server > difficulties. This is most obviously useful for authoritative > nameservers in the attempt to diagnose the source or prevalence of > inaccurate data, but can also conceivably be useful for caching > resolvers. However, relying on the IP address of the name server has > become more problematic due the deployment of various load balancing > solutions, including the use of shared unicast addresses as > documented in [RFC3258]. due the deployment of various load balancing should read: due to the deployment of various load balancing My apologies if that is too picky, never having done an IETF review before I'm not sure where to draw the line :) With these additions I would definitley regard this document as very useful and would support it moving forwards. Brett... -- Brett Carr Ripe Network Coordination Centre System Engineer -- Operations Group Singel 258 Amsterdam NL http://www.ripe.net GPG Key fingerprint = F20D B2A7 C91D E370 44CF F244 B6A1 EF48 E743 F7D8 . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Dec 15 20:33:48 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1En4Tj-00018t-RX for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:33:48 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (mailapps.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA12482 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18BJVIEeMmlpSSU44CFp4Zb+3XFtTGpRSs@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBG0mXXq015166; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:48:33 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBG0mXbw015165; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:48:33 -0800 Received: from parsley.amaranth.net (parsley.amaranth.net [204.10.1.23]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBG0mXH9015160 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:48:33 -0800 Received: from ancho.senie.com (c-24-34-19-2.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.34.19.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by parsley.amaranth.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBG0mSFl020855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:48:31 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20051215193020.0766f6c8@senie.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:47:12 -0500 To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu From: Daniel Senie Subject: [dnsop] draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-05.txt comments Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1210/Thu Dec 15 07:23:22 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on parsley.amaranth.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk I read Brad's comments on this draft with interest. I've had some concerns about the mechanism recommended by this draft for some time, and would urge a bit of expansion in one area. I would like to see at least an optional, but standardized way to include an identifier in all response packets sent by the server, provided there's room in the packets. This could be accomplished by placing the information in the additionals section after ensuring the addition would not cause an overflow. The thinking is simple: if the DNS server is able to tag all outbound packets with some uniqueness information, then there is no ambiguity concerning tracking down which server responded. Any mechanism that relies on a subsequent query will provide a less than perfect indication of the server involved, as load balancing or similar could in fact shift focus to a new server. When I've raised this issue previously, the response has been that the result of the subsequent query will be "good enough." The introduction section of the document indicates folks are already using the mechanism offered by BIND (which requires an additional query) and that a rationale for this document is to codify practice. The introduction also goes on to talk about there being shortcomings. A requirements document must look forward and lay out the goals for a sufficient solution. It is understood that the existing practice has drawbacks, and so at this time I can't support having a requirements document that settles for solutions that are not sufficient to solve the problem. That this document does not explore more possible solutions says to me this is NOT a requirements document as written. If this document is reworked, it could indeed be a useful document. A separate document could and should explore the present practice as one possible solution to a set of requirements, just as other possible solutions could and should be documented. The merits of the approaches could then be compared to the requirements, and weighed. It may well be that more than one mechanism could or should be considered together to provide the best possible solution given constraints that exist. Dan -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel Senie dts@senie.com Amaranth Networks Inc. http://www.amaranth.com "George Orwell was only off by 20 years. Had he titled his book 2004 instead of 1984, he'd have been hailed as prescient. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength." -dts . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Fri Dec 16 03:14:09 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnAjB-0001GF-9P for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:14:09 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (mailapps.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA16627 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/MqOatuvWVJz6Vfs6gSkkDe5O2R9vqm8M@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBG7dqFt019759; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:39:52 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBG7dqFq019758; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:39:52 -0800 Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBG7dpPG019753 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:39:52 -0800 Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6A725973F; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:39:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29083-04; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:38:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (163.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.163]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F6B259730; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:38:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:42:35 +0100 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand To: Daniel Senie , dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: [dnsop] draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-05.txt comments Message-ID: <83851C3028B76767410C216B@svartdal.hjemme.alvestrand.no> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20051215193020.0766f6c8@senie.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20051215193020.0766f6c8@senie.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1210/Thu Dec 15 07:23:22 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan, it seems to me that you're advocating splitting the document into two: - Section 1-2, discussing the present mechanism - Section 3, discussing requirements for a "permanent solution" In the "section 3" document, you would also like to discuss the option of tagging all outgoing DNS responses with the server ID. Is that what you are proposing? (BTW, I don't, off the bat, support such a split. It's "just too many documents" - I'd prefer to get this one out the door.) Harald --On torsdag, desember 15, 2005 19:47:12 -0500 Daniel Senie wrote: > I read Brad's comments on this draft with interest. I've had some > concerns about the mechanism recommended by this draft for some time, and > would urge a bit of expansion in one area. I would like to see at least > an optional, but standardized way to include an identifier in all > response packets sent by the server, provided there's room in the > packets. This could be accomplished by placing the information in the > additionals section after ensuring the addition would not cause an > overflow. > > The thinking is simple: if the DNS server is able to tag all outbound > packets with some uniqueness information, then there is no ambiguity > concerning tracking down which server responded. Any mechanism that > relies on a subsequent query will provide a less than perfect indication > of the server involved, as load balancing or similar could in fact shift > focus to a new server. When I've raised this issue previously, the > response has been that the result of the subsequent query will be "good > enough." > > The introduction section of the document indicates folks are already > using the mechanism offered by BIND (which requires an additional query) > and that a rationale for this document is to codify practice. The > introduction also goes on to talk about there being shortcomings. A > requirements document must look forward and lay out the goals for a > sufficient solution. It is understood that the existing practice has > drawbacks, and so at this time I can't support having a requirements > document that settles for solutions that are not sufficient to solve the > problem. That this document does not explore more possible solutions says > to me this is NOT a requirements document as written. > > If this document is reworked, it could indeed be a useful document. A > separate document could and should explore the present practice as one > possible solution to a set of requirements, just as other possible > solutions could and should be documented. The merits of the approaches > could then be compared to the requirements, and weighed. It may well be > that more than one mechanism could or should be considered together to > provide the best possible solution given constraints that exist. > > Dan > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Daniel Senie dts@senie.com > Amaranth Networks Inc. http://www.amaranth.com > > "George Orwell was only off by 20 years. Had he titled his book > 2004 instead of 1984, he'd have been hailed as prescient. > War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength." -dts > > . > dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ > web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html > mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html > . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Fri Dec 16 04:02:48 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnBUD-00055X-W5 for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:02:48 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (mailapps.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA19631 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+Ls3c7b8BRAY/moq5IUBzFthGB5YncmzM@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBG8OBxY020238; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:24:11 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBG8OBew020237; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:24:11 -0800 Received: from aptop.autonomica.net (aptop.autonomica.se [192.71.80.93]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBG8OAW5020232 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:24:11 -0800 Received: from aptop.autonomica.net (aptop.autonomica.net [127.0.0.1]) by aptop.autonomica.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG8O6E6000665; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:24:07 +0100 (MET) To: Peter Koch Cc: IETF DNSOP WG Subject: Re: [dnsop] Proposed moratorium and timeline for the DNSOP WG References: <20051201221125.GA20395@denics7.denic.de> From: Lars-Johan Liman Date: 16 Dec 2005 09:24:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20051201221125.GA20395@denics7.denic.de> Message-ID: <22u0d9v49l.fsf@aptop.autonomica.net> Lines: 31 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1210/Thu Dec 15 07:23:22 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Peter, I went back to have a look at the list of drafts, and as I was reparsing your message was a bit confused by the following passage in your proposal (which BTW is a good initiative): pk@denic.de: > The dnsop wg will consider new work items if at least N individuals > commit to review documents before WG Last Call (including > revisions). > ... OK, I get this part. > No new work items will be accepted until before the IETF65 -00 > cutoff. Huh? "until before the IETF65 cutoff"??? We are at "before cutoff" _now_, and we've been so for all of my life and then some. :-) This must be a typo. What did you actually mean to say? :-) "until after"? "until 2 weeks before"? Cheers, /Liman . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Fri Dec 16 05:18:08 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnCfA-0003s5-1E for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 05:18:08 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (mailapps.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA27375 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 05:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/gulUh8QyA5PRsBUkvofk8xVqci55BHsk@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBG9eA2b022423; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:40:10 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBG9eAvV022422; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:40:10 -0800 Received: from denic.de (fw-d-whp.denic.de [81.91.160.27]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBG9e99J022415 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:40:10 -0800 Received: by unknown.office.denic.de (Postfix, from userid 501) id 0B3A51E656D; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:39:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:39:57 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNSOP WG Subject: Re: [dnsop] Proposed moratorium and timeline for the DNSOP WG Message-ID: <20051216093957.GA404@unknown.office.denic.de> References: <20051201221125.GA20395@denics7.denic.de> <22u0d9v49l.fsf@aptop.autonomica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <22u0d9v49l.fsf@aptop.autonomica.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1210/Thu Dec 15 07:23:22 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 09:24:06AM +0100, Lars-Johan Liman wrote: > your proposal (which BTW is a good initiative): thanks for your support. We are, by the way, still looking for volunteer reviewers to reach the "5 people" threshold for almost all of the documents. > "until before the IETF65 cutoff"??? > > We are at "before cutoff" _now_, and we've been so for all of my > life and then some. :-) > > This must be a typo. What did you actually mean to say? :-) Apologies for the ambiguity. It's the poet's liberty to put the exact span "in ellipsis" :-) What it was meant to say is that new work items should be accepted only close to the cut-off, but still early enough to meet that deadline, so > "until 2 weeks before"? comes close. -Peter . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Fri Dec 16 10:20:50 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnHO6-00055T-D3 for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:20:50 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (mailapps.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA03662 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/chyUOTta6kxe8boXqJovwVCgUYKsGPy0@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBGEinDN026108; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:44:49 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBGEinFx026107; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:44:49 -0800 Received: from parsley.amaranth.net (parsley.amaranth.net [204.10.1.23]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBGEimtp026102 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:44:48 -0800 Received: from ancho.senie.com (c-24-34-19-2.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.34.19.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by parsley.amaranth.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBGEicpf013604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:44:39 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20051216090351.078e4160@senie.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:36:19 -0500 To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand , dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu From: Daniel Senie Subject: Re: [dnsop] draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-05.txt comments In-Reply-To: <83851C3028B76767410C216B@svartdal.hjemme.alvestrand.no> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20051215193020.0766f6c8@senie.com> <83851C3028B76767410C216B@svartdal.hjemme.alvestrand.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1210/Thu Dec 15 07:23:22 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on parsley.amaranth.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk At 02:42 AM 12/16/2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: >Dan, > >it seems to me that you're advocating splitting the document into two: > >- Section 1-2, discussing the present mechanism >- Section 3, discussing requirements for a "permanent solution" > >In the "section 3" document, you would also like to discuss the >option of tagging all outgoing DNS responses with the server ID. >Is that what you are proposing? I'm proposing either that the document be split, OR that the discussion of the present mechanism be removed or reduced to a representation of one of the possible methods that could be considered AFTER discussing the actual requirements. The document does not read like a requirements document, but rather a "here's a solution, how do we make it a bit more generic" with no consideration for whether the solution meets a set of requirements. Another option would be to rename and retarget the document as a documentation of a current practice, and publish it as informational. This would be similar to some of the NAT WG documents where we were explaining an existing mechanism and attempting to provide a common terminology for it rather than specifying a new protocol. >(BTW, I don't, off the bat, support such a split. It's "just too >many documents" - I'd prefer to get this one out the door.) While I understand the desire to get documents out the door, and not increase the document count, I think it would be a mistake to publish this document as written, because it gives the impression that the historical solution is in fact sufficient without providing for a more thorough analysis of other techiques. While I too would like to see the backlog of drafts in this WG cleared, it seems to me that focusing discussion provides a way to improve the documents and generate debate that may not have taken place and which may be warranted. > Harald > >--On torsdag, desember 15, 2005 19:47:12 -0500 Daniel Senie > wrote: > >>I read Brad's comments on this draft with interest. I've had some >>concerns about the mechanism recommended by this draft for some time, and >>would urge a bit of expansion in one area. I would like to see at least >>an optional, but standardized way to include an identifier in all >>response packets sent by the server, provided there's room in the >>packets. This could be accomplished by placing the information in the >>additionals section after ensuring the addition would not cause an >>overflow. >> >>The thinking is simple: if the DNS server is able to tag all outbound >>packets with some uniqueness information, then there is no ambiguity >>concerning tracking down which server responded. Any mechanism that >>relies on a subsequent query will provide a less than perfect indication >>of the server involved, as load balancing or similar could in fact shift >>focus to a new server. When I've raised this issue previously, the >>response has been that the result of the subsequent query will be "good >>enough." >> >>The introduction section of the document indicates folks are already >>using the mechanism offered by BIND (which requires an additional query) >>and that a rationale for this document is to codify practice. The >>introduction also goes on to talk about there being shortcomings. A >>requirements document must look forward and lay out the goals for a >>sufficient solution. It is understood that the existing practice has >>drawbacks, and so at this time I can't support having a requirements >>document that settles for solutions that are not sufficient to solve the >>problem. That this document does not explore more possible solutions says >>to me this is NOT a requirements document as written. >> >>If this document is reworked, it could indeed be a useful document. A >>separate document could and should explore the present practice as one >>possible solution to a set of requirements, just as other possible >>solutions could and should be documented. The merits of the approaches >>could then be compared to the requirements, and weighed. It may well be >>that more than one mechanism could or should be considered together to >>provide the best possible solution given constraints that exist. >> >>Dan >>-- >>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>Daniel Senie dts@senie.com >>Amaranth Networks Inc. http://www.amaranth.com >> >> "George Orwell was only off by 20 years. Had he titled his book >> 2004 instead of 1984, he'd have been hailed as prescient. >> War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength." -dts >> >>. >>dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ >>web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html >>mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html > > > . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Fri Dec 16 10:29:29 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnHWS-0007pH-Jq for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:29:28 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (mailapps.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04586 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19fesqZfVLo3fRvZ1aroroHgeynd4A2kfE@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBGEpx9A026168; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:51:59 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBGEpxli026167; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:51:59 -0800 Received: from mail.verisignlabs.com (cliffie.verisignlabs.com [65.201.175.9]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBGEpwO6026162 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:51:58 -0800 Received: from [10.131.244.197] ([::ffff:216.168.239.87]) (AUTH: PLAIN davidb, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,RC4-SHA) by mail.verisignlabs.com with esmtp; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:51:58 -0500 id 003C8D7B.43A2D48E.00000797 In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20051215193020.0766f6c8@senie.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20051215193020.0766f6c8@senie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Blacka Subject: Re: [dnsop] draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-05.txt comments Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:51:56 -0500 To: Daniel Senie X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1210/Thu Dec 15 07:23:22 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 15, 2005, at 7:47 PM, Daniel Senie wrote: > The thinking is simple: if the DNS server is able to tag all > outbound packets with some uniqueness information, then there is no > ambiguity concerning tracking down which server responded. Any > mechanism that relies on a subsequent query will provide a less > than perfect indication of the server involved, as load balancing > or similar could in fact shift focus to a new server. When I've > raised this issue previously, the response has been that the result > of the subsequent query will be "good enough." Daniel, Are you aware of draft-ietf-dnsext-nsid-00.txt? -- David Blacka Sr. Engineer VeriSign Applied Research . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Fri Dec 16 11:03:03 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnI2x-0000OP-5R for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:03:03 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (mailapps.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA08519 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:02:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19xqkRx/0MAr0sOsU7sqKHwHrn1u8EsSE8@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBGFO9tS026681; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:24:09 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBGFO98U026680; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:24:09 -0800 Received: from parsley.amaranth.net (parsley.amaranth.net [204.10.1.23]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBGFO8T8026675 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:24:08 -0800 Received: from ancho.senie.com (c-24-34-19-2.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.34.19.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by parsley.amaranth.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBGFO6E7020667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:24:07 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20051216100621.078e5cf8@senie.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:23:59 -0500 To: David Blacka From: Daniel Senie Subject: Re: [dnsop] draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-05.txt comments Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20051215193020.0766f6c8@senie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1210/Thu Dec 15 07:23:22 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on parsley.amaranth.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk At 09:51 AM 12/16/2005, David Blacka wrote: >On Dec 15, 2005, at 7:47 PM, Daniel Senie wrote: > >>The thinking is simple: if the DNS server is able to tag all >>outbound packets with some uniqueness information, then there is no >>ambiguity concerning tracking down which server responded. Any >>mechanism that relies on a subsequent query will provide a less >>than perfect indication of the server involved, as load balancing >>or similar could in fact shift focus to a new server. When I've >>raised this issue previously, the response has been that the result >>of the subsequent query will be "good enough." > >Daniel, > >Are you aware of draft-ietf-dnsext-nsid-00.txt? I wasn't. Just reviewed it. Basically is what I personally believe is the correct and sufficient solution. That it's in the queue of another WG does, I think, strengthen my argument that the draft under discussion in DNSOP is in fact not a good requirements document. . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Fri Dec 16 11:35:22 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnIYD-0002qD-OT for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:35:22 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (mailapps.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA12088 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19wysnPh2Iki2WEXmpbAI0LG6tA0uBaCTg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBGFr3aD026988; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:53:03 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBGFr3X1026987; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:53:03 -0800 Received: from open.nlnetlabs.nl (open.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBGFr2tr026982 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:53:03 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1:211:2fff:fed7:7378]) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGFr1MI007654; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:53:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20051215193020.0766f6c8@senie.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20051215193020.0766f6c8@senie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-9--325130298" Message-Id: Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Olaf M. Kolkman" Subject: Re: [dnsop] draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-05.txt comments Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:52:55 +0100 To: Daniel Senie X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on open.nlnetlabs.nl X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1210/Thu Dec 15 07:23:22 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-9--325130298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Dan, On Dec 16, 2005, at 01:47 , Daniel Senie wrote: > I read Brad's comments on this draft with interest. I've had some > concerns about the mechanism recommended by this draft for some > time, and would urge a bit of expansion in one area. I would like > to see at least an optional, but standardized way to include an > identifier in all response packets sent by the server, provided > there's room in the packets. This could be accomplished by placing > the information in the additionals section after ensuring the > addition would not cause an overflow. How can you be sure that that "extra information" does not break existing clients or makes middle boxes drop the packet on the floor? I think that including an identifier in _all_ response packets sent by a server _only_ provided there is room in the packets is a _bad_ idea. The request to have the identifier in "all" response packets is already in section 3: That is, it needs to allow the query for the server's identifying information to be part of a normal, operational query. The detail here is that the client needs to request for the additional information, thereby indicating it can deal with that extra information returned. It could be argued that failsafe behavior in the presence of broken middle-boxes is a requirement that should be made explicit. I am agnostic about the need for such argument. Note that the propose implementation of this mechanism (draft-ietf- dnsext-nsid-00.txt, which, except for one minor issue, has finished last call in DNSEXT) uses EDNS which has the appropriate failure mechanism. BTW. I committed to review this document. Which I just did. I agree with the content, I support this being published. But I find the first sentence of requirement 2 in section 3 almost incomprehensible: 2. The new mechanism SHOULD not require dedicated namespaces or other reserved values outside of the existing protocol mechanisms for these, i.e. the OPT pseudo-RR. I suggest a rewrite. 2-a. The new mechanism SHOULD not require dedicated namespaces. 2-b. The new mechanism SHOULD not require reserved values outside of the existing protocol mechanisms such as EDNS0. I think that means the same :-) --Olaf ----------------------------------------------------------- Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ --Apple-Mail-9--325130298 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) Comment: This message is locally signed. iD8DBQFDouLctN/ca3YJIocRAkxfAJwMrP3VhPeSPv3CAZjPldQoIRD01QCgqkxn kscHG4qx127FN2QiAljLlbA= =Jglc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-9--325130298-- . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Fri Dec 16 11:44:46 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnIhH-0006OK-Sh for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:44:45 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (mailapps.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA13239 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/jRN4pG3SrWWiglCbZJ4NCaF9pPAROxFI@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBGG3PDp027139; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:03:25 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBGG3Pkg027138; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:03:25 -0800 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [204.152.187.5]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBGG3PhA027133 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:03:25 -0800 Received: by farside.isc.org (Postfix, from userid 10265) id 4B4CCE605C; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:03:25 +0000 From: Suzanne Woolf To: Daniel Senie Cc: David Blacka , dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: [dnsop] draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-05.txt comments Message-ID: <20051216160325.GA86592@farside.isc.org> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20051215193020.0766f6c8@senie.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20051216100621.078e5cf8@senie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20051216100621.078e5cf8@senie.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1210/Thu Dec 15 07:23:22 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 10:23:59AM -0500, Daniel Senie wrote: > At 09:51 AM 12/16/2005, David Blacka wrote: > >Are you aware of draft-ietf-dnsext-nsid-00.txt? > > I wasn't. Just reviewed it. Basically is what I personally believe is > the correct and sufficient solution. That it's in the queue of > another WG does, I think, strengthen my argument that the draft under > discussion in DNSOP is in fact not a good requirements document. Actually, NSID was written from the same inputs as the current serverid: the discussion in DNSOP and elsewhere on the need to document the existing mechanism, its limitations, and proposed parameters for what a better one would look like. In other words, the serverid document has in fact already served the specific purpose of documenting requirements. A protocol document was then written around a mechanism for meeting the requirements, in a group that does protocol work (DNSEXT). Documenting where NSID came from is IMHO still worthwhile, although the original intent was to have serverid published by now. However, arguing that serverid is useless because NSID exists gets chronology and causality both exactly backwards. . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Fri Dec 16 11:55:41 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnIrt-00088y-1h for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:55:41 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (mailapps.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA14572 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/ICB9s4yHVRzecR/fPpqdlKzHn6A+IWBk@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBGGD0jU027272; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:13:00 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBGGD0qS027271; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:13:00 -0800 Received: from parsley.amaranth.net (parsley.amaranth.net [204.10.1.23]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBGGCxAw027266 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:13:00 -0800 Received: from ancho.senie.com (c-24-34-19-2.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.34.19.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by parsley.amaranth.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBGGCmA6027626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:12:57 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20051216110123.07acb270@senie.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:06:35 -0500 To: "Olaf M. Kolkman" From: Daniel Senie Subject: Re: [dnsop] draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-05.txt comments Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20051215193020.0766f6c8@senie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1210/Thu Dec 15 07:23:22 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on parsley.amaranth.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk At 10:52 AM 12/16/2005, Olaf M. Kolkman wrote: >*** PGP SIGNATURE VERIFICATION *** >*** Status: Unknown Signature >*** Signer: Unknown Key (0x76092287) >*** Signed: 12/16/2005 10:53:00 AM >*** Verified: 12/16/2005 11:01:07 AM >*** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE *** > > >Hello Dan, > >On Dec 16, 2005, at 01:47 , Daniel Senie wrote: > >>I read Brad's comments on this draft with interest. I've had some >>concerns about the mechanism recommended by this draft for some >>time, and would urge a bit of expansion in one area. I would like >>to see at least an optional, but standardized way to include an >>identifier in all response packets sent by the server, provided >>there's room in the packets. This could be accomplished by placing >>the information in the additionals section after ensuring the >>addition would not cause an overflow. > >How can you be sure that that "extra information" does not break >existing clients or makes middle boxes drop >the packet on the floor? I think that including an identifier in >_all_ response packets sent by a server _only_ provided there is room >in the packets is a _bad_ idea. Good, some debate. Today, the server can send information in the additionals section. It's not clear to me whether or not additional information there would or would not affect resolver libraries. I suspect that any such approach would need to be worked on and debated by DNSEXT. My concern is that if this is a requirements document, then requiring some means of identification in the packets is one of the possible solutions that should be discussed. >The request to have the identifier in "all" response packets is >already in section 3: > That is, it needs to allow the query for the server's identifying > information to be part of a normal, operational query. > >The detail here is that the client needs to request for the >additional information, thereby indicating it can deal with that >extra information returned. It could be argued that failsafe behavior >in the presence of broken middle-boxes is a requirement that should >be made explicit. I am agnostic about the need for such argument. > >Note that the propose implementation of this mechanism (draft-ietf- >dnsext-nsid-00.txt, which, except for one minor issue, has finished >last call in DNSEXT) uses EDNS which has the appropriate failure >mechanism. Good. Especially good if that document is close to publication, as it could be referenced by this one. (Indeed there are NO references in this draft to anything else, something that probably could be improved upon). >BTW. I committed to review this document. Which I just did. > >I agree with the content, I support this being published. But I find >the first sentence of requirement 2 in section 3 >almost incomprehensible: > > 2. The new mechanism SHOULD not require dedicated namespaces or > other reserved values outside of the existing protocol >mechanisms > for these, i.e. the OPT pseudo-RR. > >I suggest a rewrite. > > 2-a. The new mechanism SHOULD not require dedicated namespaces. > > 2-b. The new mechanism SHOULD not require reserved values outside > of the existing protocol mechanisms such as EDNS0. > >I think that means the same :-) > >--Olaf > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >Olaf M. Kolkman >NLnet Labs >http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ > > > > > >*** END PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE *** . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Fri Dec 16 12:24:57 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnJKB-0001N8-PU for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:24:57 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (mailapps.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA19044 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18BvIM1DmuOSegyrequiJRZr84A7qHC81U@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBGGhxY5027853; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:43:59 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBGGhxBl027852; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:43:59 -0800 Received: from open.nlnetlabs.nl (open.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBGGhwMr027847 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:43:58 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1:211:2fff:fed7:7378]) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGGhvC8008185; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:43:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20051216110123.07acb270@senie.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20051215193020.0766f6c8@senie.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20051216110123.07acb270@senie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-10--322073833" Message-Id: Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Olaf M. Kolkman" Subject: Re: [dnsop] draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-05.txt comments Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:43:52 +0100 To: Daniel Senie X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on open.nlnetlabs.nl X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1210/Thu Dec 15 07:23:22 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-10--322073833 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > My concern is that if this is a requirements document, then > requiring some means of identification in the packets is one of the > possible solutions that should be discussed. I tried to argue that the text that is currently in section 3 is sufficient. This comes from section 3 of the document: >> That is, it needs to allow the query for the server's >> identifying >> information to be part of a normal, operational query. > Good. Especially good if that document is close to publication, as > it could be referenced by this one. (Indeed there are NO references > in this draft to anything else, something that probably could be > improved upon). That document describes an implementation of _these_ requirements :-) --Olaf ----------------------------------------------------------- Olaf M. 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Just reviewed it. Basically is what I personally believe is > the correct and sufficient solution. That it's in the queue of > another WG does, I think, strengthen my argument that the draft under > discussion in DNSOP is in fact not a good requirements document. I have reviewed draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-05.txt, and I actually had an opposite reaction to that outlined above: it seemed to me that it _was_ a good requirements doc, because it first set out what the current support is, and then outlined (in section 3) why that is inadequate for the purposes. In particular, it points out that a subsequent request from the same resolver will not necessarily provide good information about the service queried by some previous resolver request. That seems to me to motivate the requirement in 3.1, which is that there must be some mechanism to allow for the identifying information to be part of a normal query. (This also strikes the right balance in not requiring that the information _always_ comes back, since such information might break existing resolvers.) I do have an editorial nit about this doc, BTW, which is that the references don't seem to be in it (or at least, not the copy I read, which is at ). There's a reference to [RFC3258] on p2, a reference to [BIND] on p3, and a reference to [RFC1034] on p4. Other than that, I support this document going forward. 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Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:04:48 +0800 Message-ID: <9570C1261494D54D9D3115BC2C83429A0BB799@asbmail2.sbell.com.cn> Thread-Topic: [dnsop] draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid-05.txt comments Thread-Index: AcYDIwX/WnYy5WprSHWiONeW+5qLwABRkfXQ From: "CTO YAN Renxiang" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2005 07:05:43.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0D78080:01C6046A] X-imss-version: 2.034 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@alcatel-sbell.com.cn X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1212/Sun Dec 18 03:09:50 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailapps.uoregon.edu id jBJ75u9F016820 Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, all, Suppose there is a DNS server A for domain "example.com". If I need to configure a sub-domain named " abc.example.com" in DNS server B, can I use a standard way to configure them remotely? i.e. adding a NS record in server A and configure the zone file in server B? any additional configuration needed? Thanks. Regards, -Renxiang . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Mon Dec 19 04:59:52 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoHo6-0006Nk-D0 for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:59:52 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (mailapps.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA17649 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19Ixh1hRBitJ4SDwMe9PAiQRcn+qGoJXWg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBJ9Fkmc019950; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:15:46 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBJ9Fk5T019949; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:15:46 -0800 Received: from aptop.autonomica.net (2-1-3-18a.spa.sth.bostream.se [82.182.146.229]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBJ9FiAr019944 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:15:45 -0800 Received: from aptop.autonomica.net (aptop.autonomica.net [127.0.0.1]) by aptop.autonomica.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJ9FgmH001454 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:15:45 +0100 (MET) To: IETF DNSOP WG Subject: Re: [dnsop] Proposed moratorium and timeline for the DNSOP WG References: <20051201221125.GA20395@denics7.denic.de> <22u0d9v49l.fsf@aptop.autonomica.net> <20051216093957.GA404@unknown.office.denic.de> From: Lars-Johan Liman Date: 19 Dec 2005 10:15:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20051216093957.GA404@unknown.office.denic.de> Message-ID: <22y82ho3b5.fsf@aptop.autonomica.net> Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1212/Sun Dec 18 03:09:50 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk pk@denic.de: > Apologies for the ambiguity. It's the poet's liberty to put the exact > span "in ellipsis" :-) What it was meant to say is that new work items should > be accepted only close to the cut-off, but still early enough to meet that > deadline, so >> "until 2 weeks before"? > comes close. Thanks for the clarification. Sounds good. Cheers, /Liman . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Mon Dec 19 05:01:58 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoHqA-0006pN-7i for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 05:01:58 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (mailapps.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA17908 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 05:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/ttuHWg94hSS2X7kK9T/CJhLkapdWBqtY@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBJ9JaJ4019990; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:19:36 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBJ9Japp019989; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:19:36 -0800 Received: from aptop.autonomica.net (2-1-3-18a.spa.sth.bostream.se [82.182.146.229]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBJ9JZG3019984 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:19:36 -0800 Received: from aptop.autonomica.net (aptop.autonomica.net [127.0.0.1]) by aptop.autonomica.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJ9JNUd001457; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:19:24 +0100 (MET) To: "CTO YAN Renxiang" Cc: Subject: Re: [dnsop] Is there a standard way to configure a sub-domain? References: <9570C1261494D54D9D3115BC2C83429A0BB799@asbmail2.sbell.com.cn> From: Lars-Johan Liman Date: 19 Dec 2005 10:19:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <9570C1261494D54D9D3115BC2C83429A0BB799@asbmail2.sbell.com.cn> Message-ID: <22u0d5o350.fsf@aptop.autonomica.net> Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1212/Sun Dec 18 03:09:50 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Renxiang.Yan@alcatel-sbell.com.cn: > Suppose there is a DNS server A for domain "example.com". > If I need to configure a sub-domain named " abc.example.com" > in DNS server B, can I use a standard way to configure them > remotely? i.e. adding a NS record in server A and configure the > zone file in server B? any additional configuration needed? No, there is no standardized way ... yet. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1213/Mon Dec 19 06:48:34 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk >>>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:05:07 +1100, >>>>> Mark Andrews said: >> 255.255.255.255.IN-ADDR.ARPA /* IPv4 BROADCAST */ >> >> ==> should the whole 255.IN-ADDR.ARPA be covered? should 0.0.0.0 be >> covered ? what about site-local v4/v6 multicast addresses? > I was being conservative. I'll follow w.g. advice on this. > As for general multicast the reverse space for IPv4 multicast is > currently populated. Mac OS X seems to try resolving 0.0.0.0.in-addr.arpa for some applications (e.g., in the "w" command). So, covering 0.0.0.0 is effective at least in practice. I personally also think it's justified according to the sence of RFC3330, which reads: 0.0.0.0/8 - Addresses in this block refer to source hosts on "this" network. Address 0.0.0.0/32 may be used as a source address for this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ host on this network; other addresses within 0.0.0.0/8 may be used to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ refer to specified hosts on this network [RFC1700, page 4]. I think the semantics is effectively the same as that for 127.0.0.1 (or 127/8): 127.0.0.0/8 - This block is assigned for use as the Internet host loopback address. A datagram sent by a higher level protocol to an address anywhere within this block should loop back inside the host. This is ordinarily implemented using only 127.0.0.1/32 for loopback, but no addresses within this block should ever appear on any network anywhere [RFC1700, page 5]. and the full-service-resolvers draft already covers 127/8. JINMEI, Tatuya Communication Platform Lab. Corporate R&D Center, Toshiba Corp. jinmei@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Dec 21 17:10:34 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EpCAM-0000mh-Pk for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:10:34 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (mailapps.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA18392 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/W0Q65ww/uzmTwrXUwYztL+jDAmMDIhBQ@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBLLNIZw017970; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:23:18 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBLLNIJh017969; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:23:18 -0800 Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBLLNHcQ017964 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:23:18 -0800 Received: from roaming3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.233]) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1EpBQV-0001Mj-QQ for dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:23:11 -0500 Received: by roaming3.int.libertyrms.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id AAEAA132AC1; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:22:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:22:45 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: [dnsop] Proposed moratorium and timeline for the DNSOP WG Message-ID: <20051221212245.GU1424@roaming3.int.libertyrms.com> Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan Mail-Followup-To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu References: <20051201221125.GA20395@denics7.denic.de> <20051206200426.GI25006@dba3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051206200426.GI25006@dba3> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1213/Mon Dec 19 06:48:34 2005 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 03:04:26PM -0500, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > > 2005-Dec-19 draft-ietf-dnsop-respsize > > 2006-Jan-08 > > No promise, but I intend to review this. I reviewed . I have, to begin with, a couple of nits. First, according to the doc it will expire before Jan 8. I don't know whether that's a problem. Second, the discussion in section 3.2 has "yellow" in the parenthetical remarks about the simulator program, but uses "orange" in the text. More substantively, I also wonder whether people believe that the uptake of IDNs (in particular) has been big enough that the "new estimates" caveat at the end of section 3 now needs to be taken into consideration. My sense is, "not really", but I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. I do know there are some registries that are pretty actively promoting IDNA registrations; but I am not so far convinced that the rate of adoption has been so big as to invalidate the assumptions of the draft, and I don't see that the labels resulting from most of those registrations are causing significant bulk in most zones. Other than that, I think this is a useful contribution. According to the tracker, there was some question about it going under BCP or Informational. I would support the latter (I don't think there's enough positive guidance here to call it a BCP). A -- ---- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 +1 416 646 3304 x4110 . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Dec 22 08:39:29 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EpQfJ-0004pd-53 for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:39:29 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (mailapps.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA12058 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+Bp/uCtsHoMVyImyPDJ/+3h81jxKuQSRQ@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBMCtUAg031290; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:55:31 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBMCtUHw031289; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:55:30 -0800 Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBMCtUZj031284 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:55:30 -0800 Received: from dba3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.12] helo=dba3.int.libertyrms.info ident=postfix) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1EpPye-0007Ax-Oc for dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:55:24 -0500 Received: by dba3.int.libertyrms.info (ca.afilias.info, from userid 1019) id BDBD713744; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:55:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:55:19 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Review of draft-ietf-dnsop-respsize (was Re: [dnsop] Proposed. . .) 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C60860.60C45500-- From nicholas@scandinavianseed.biz Sat Dec 24 03:13:29 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eq4Wu-00015A-Vv for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 03:13:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA18494 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 03:12:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from fr-chp-c3-06-213245223108.chello.fr ([213.245.223.108] helo=friend) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eq4a5-0005bF-6E for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 03:16:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c60861$e399df80$0100007f@papa> From: "Alexander" To: Subject: We offer a variety of different licenses and discounts that can help you get the most out of its software budget Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:13:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------ms060103030201040808040000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 2b3349545af520ba354ccdc9e1a03fc1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------ms060103030201040808040000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------ms040802080806030704040608" --------------ms040802080806030704040608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Years Discount for OEM Software -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Special #1 : Windows XP Professional with=20 SP2 Full Version, Office 2003 Professional (1 CD Edition) sale price: $59.95 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Special #2 : Microsoft Windows XP Pro, Microsoft Office XP Pro sale price: $49.95 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- =20 Special #3:=20 Office 2003 Professional (1 CD Edition) sale price: $69.95 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- And others... --------------ms040802080806030704040608 Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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<55710.196.200.121.14.1135517416.squirrel@mailbg.com> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 15:30:16 +0200 (EET) Subject: Funds for Investments in China From: "adams" Reply-To: idioma4@wapda.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Scan-Signature: f4c2cf0bccc868e4cc88dace71fb3f44 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Phone: +234-802-764-045 Email: iddiweb@atlas.cz I am the chairman of the contract award committee of the National Petroleum Corporation here in Nigerian, for security reasons, I may not wish to disclose how I got your email address for now. After due deliberation with my partner, I decided to forward to you this business proposal, we want you to assist us receive the sum of Twenty eight million, six hundred thousand united state bills(us28.6m) into your account. This fund resulted from an over-invoiced contract awarded by us under the budget allocation to my ministry and the bill was approved for payment by the concerned ministries. The contract was executed, commissioned and the contractor was paid his actual cost of the contract. Now, we are left with the balance of us28.6m as the over invoiced amount, which we have deliberately over estimated for our own use. Please note that the law forbids civil servants to operate or own foreign accounts hence this contact, we have agreed to share the money in the following percentages: 30 for you, 60 for us 10 for tax as may be required by your government. Note that this transaction is very much free from all sorts of risk hence the business was carefully planned before it was successfully executed and we the officials involved in the deal have put many years in service to our ministry. We have been exercising patience for this privilege for so long not until the presidential announcement last week, that all foreign contractors owed be paid forthwith, this will enable the presidency reconcile our debt ratio with the outside world and to most of us, this is a lifetime blessing we cannot afford to miss. Upon indication of your interest to fully co-operate with us, a paymentapplication/information form will be sent to you via email for completion. Be informed also that the above mentioned FORM V when properly completed by you and return via email, will enable us seek/secure approval of the fund from the concerned government quarters/ministries within 1-2 banking days. As soon as we confirm receipt of this money in your nominated bank account, my partner and I will come over to your country to arrange for our own share and possibly invest part of this money in your country. Let honesty and trust be our watchword throughout this transaction. I shall furnish you with some details about myself. Your prompt reply will be highly appreciated. Best regards. Idi Adams St Michaels From ams4@atlas.cz Mon Dec 26 02:09:09 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EqmTl-0005KA-0z for dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 02:09:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA13646 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 02:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.stih4e.com ([213.137.61.230] helo=mailbg.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EqmXL-0004w7-Cz for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 02:12:51 -0500 Received: (qmail 14140 invoked by uid 500); 25 Dec 2005 15:37:22 +0200 Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Received: from 196.200.121.14 (SquirrelMail authenticated user iddiweb@mailbg.com) by mailbg.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 15:37:22 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <60561.196.200.121.14.1135517842.squirrel@mailbg.com> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 15:37:22 +0200 (EET) Subject: Funds for Investments in China From: "adams" Reply-To: idioma4@wapda.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Scan-Signature: f4c2cf0bccc868e4cc88dace71fb3f44 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Phone: +234-802-764-045 Email: iddiweb@atlas.cz I am the chairman of the contract award committee of the National Petroleum Corporation here in Nigerian, for security reasons, I may not wish to disclose how I got your email address for now. After due deliberation with my partner, I decided to forward to you this business proposal, we want you to assist us receive the sum of Twenty eight million, six hundred thousand united state bills(us28.6m) into your account. This fund resulted from an over-invoiced contract awarded by us under the budget allocation to my ministry and the bill was approved for payment by the concerned ministries. The contract was executed, commissioned and the contractor was paid his actual cost of the contract. Now, we are left with the balance of us28.6m as the over invoiced amount, which we have deliberately over estimated for our own use. Please note that the law forbids civil servants to operate or own foreign accounts hence this contact, we have agreed to share the money in the following percentages: 30 for you, 60 for us 10 for tax as may be required by your government. Note that this transaction is very much free from all sorts of risk hence the business was carefully planned before it was successfully executed and we the officials involved in the deal have put many years in service to our ministry. We have been exercising patience for this privilege for so long not until the presidential announcement last week, that all foreign contractors owed be paid forthwith, this will enable the presidency reconcile our debt ratio with the outside world and to most of us, this is a lifetime blessing we cannot afford to miss. Upon indication of your interest to fully co-operate with us, a paymentapplication/information form will be sent to you via email for completion. Be informed also that the above mentioned FORM V when properly completed by you and return via email, will enable us seek/secure approval of the fund from the concerned government quarters/ministries within 1-2 banking days. As soon as we confirm receipt of this money in your nominated bank account, my partner and I will come over to your country to arrange for our own share and possibly invest part of this money in your country. Let honesty and trust be our watchword throughout this transaction. I shall furnish you with some details about myself. Your prompt reply will be highly appreciated. Best regards. 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