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------=SPLITOR00A_001_22026500D-- From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 2 10:55:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3B63A6AC4; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:55:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955FE3A6AC4 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:55:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.467 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.467 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.929, BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kCoc9jo8Hl-3 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com (paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com [208.17.35.58]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00483A6AAE for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([10.52.116.31]) by paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id KP-NTF18.61032989; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:55:19 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by PAOAKEXCSMTP02.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:55:20 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:54:58 -0400 Message-ID: <45AEC6EF95942140888406588E1A660205B9E31F@PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: (Off-Topic) DNSSEC Technical Testing Thread-Index: Ackkt/vrXZ9GtSzhRd2qtxpvnx+UEA== From: "Livingood, Jason" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2008 17:55:20.0094 (UTC) FILETIME=[09090BE0:01C924B8] Subject: [DNSOP] (Off-Topic) DNSSEC Technical Testing X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Yesterday, we attended a DNSSEC policy meeting in Washington, where we announced that we've started a DNSSEC technical trial at Comcast. We tend to be rather hands-on learners, so we implemented a DNSSEC-capable resolver in our production network. Anyone on the public Internet is welcome to point to our server and test against it. Please contact us if you'd like error logs (should you have problems), would like keys added, or have other questions. The IP is 68.87.64.154, and trial info is available at info at http://www.dnssec.comcast.net. We plan to test Unbound, BIND, and Nominum resolvers, and will share test results (before & after activation/use of DNSSEC). We also plan to document what we experience and issues we face, for the benefit of others in the community. Regards, Jason Jason Livingood National Engineering & Technical Operations Comcast Cable Communications _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 2 10:55:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3B63A6AC4; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:55:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955FE3A6AC4 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:55:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.467 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.467 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.929, BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kCoc9jo8Hl-3 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com (paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com [208.17.35.58]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00483A6AAE for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([10.52.116.31]) by paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id KP-NTF18.61032989; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:55:19 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by PAOAKEXCSMTP02.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:55:20 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:54:58 -0400 Message-ID: <45AEC6EF95942140888406588E1A660205B9E31F@PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: (Off-Topic) DNSSEC Technical Testing Thread-Index: Ackkt/vrXZ9GtSzhRd2qtxpvnx+UEA== From: "Livingood, Jason" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2008 17:55:20.0094 (UTC) FILETIME=[09090BE0:01C924B8] Subject: [DNSOP] (Off-Topic) DNSSEC Technical Testing X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Yesterday, we attended a DNSSEC policy meeting in Washington, where we announced that we've started a DNSSEC technical trial at Comcast. We tend to be rather hands-on learners, so we implemented a DNSSEC-capable resolver in our production network. Anyone on the public Internet is welcome to point to our server and test against it. Please contact us if you'd like error logs (should you have problems), would like keys added, or have other questions. The IP is 68.87.64.154, and trial info is available at info at http://www.dnssec.comcast.net. We plan to test Unbound, BIND, and Nominum resolvers, and will share test results (before & after activation/use of DNSSEC). We also plan to document what we experience and issues we face, for the benefit of others in the community. Regards, Jason Jason Livingood National Engineering & Technical Operations Comcast Cable Communications _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 2 11:52:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFA43A68E1; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:52:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4789B3A6A8A for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:52:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1GSgIyjZhFpM for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newtla.xelerance.com (newtla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.143]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476203A67B1 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tla.xelerance.com (tla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.130]) by newtla.xelerance.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B18ABEA3; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:44:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: "Livingood, Jason" In-Reply-To: <45AEC6EF95942140888406588E1A660205B9E31F@PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com> Message-ID: References: <45AEC6EF95942140888406588E1A660205B9E31F@PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LFD 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] (Off-Topic) DNSSEC Technical Testing X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Livingood, Jason wrote: > The IP is 68.87.64.154, and trial info is available at info at > http://www.dnssec.comcast.net. We plan to test Unbound, BIND, and > Nominum resolvers, and will share test results (before & after > activation/use of DNSSEC). We also plan to document what we experience > and issues we face, for the benefit of others in the community. Thanks! I added you to the map on http://www.xelerance.com/dnssec/ Paul (info will appear soon as non-google map there as well) _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 2 11:52:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFA43A68E1; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:52:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4789B3A6A8A for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:52:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1GSgIyjZhFpM for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newtla.xelerance.com (newtla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.143]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476203A67B1 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tla.xelerance.com (tla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.130]) by newtla.xelerance.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B18ABEA3; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:44:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: "Livingood, Jason" In-Reply-To: <45AEC6EF95942140888406588E1A660205B9E31F@PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com> Message-ID: References: <45AEC6EF95942140888406588E1A660205B9E31F@PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LFD 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] (Off-Topic) DNSSEC Technical Testing X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Livingood, Jason wrote: > The IP is 68.87.64.154, and trial info is available at info at > http://www.dnssec.comcast.net. We plan to test Unbound, BIND, and > Nominum resolvers, and will share test results (before & after > activation/use of DNSSEC). We also plan to document what we experience > and issues we face, for the benefit of others in the community. Thanks! I added you to the map on http://www.xelerance.com/dnssec/ Paul (info will appear soon as non-google map there as well) _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From An-borstlij@Delta.com Sun Oct 12 08:38:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D623A69C7 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -35.671 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-35.671 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.482, BAYES_99=3.5, GB_PHARMACY=1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.526, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_2=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id srL7I1ilYHJ8 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway.yonkerspublicschools.org (gateway.yonkerspublicschools.org [69.74.224.11]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98DB73A6984 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:39:55 -0400 To: dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org From: Mosso's Pharmacy Subject: You will be amazed by the new features Message-ID: <8f2402e9b3a1ae5e85e136b8f30812b1@newsletter.Delta.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: PHPMailer [version 1.73] X-Mailer: phplist v2.10.4 X-MessageID: 2836 X-ListMember: dnsop-archive@megatron.ietf.org Precedence: bulk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Mosso's Pharmacy



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From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 16 05:41:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3773A6AE6; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:41:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6503A6AE6 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:41:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.565 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.565 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.684, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0QhLkhaF2M0U for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0B33A6955 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from denic.de ([10.122.65.106]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KqSBH-0001s9-FC; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:42:32 +0200 Received: by unknown.office.denic.de (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5C0A0838E0E; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:42:19 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNSOP WG Message-ID: <20081016124219.GB59401@unknown.office.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: [DNSOP] dnsop meeting at IETF73 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Dear WG, the tentative agenda for Minnepolis gives us a two-hour slot on Wednesday: Date: Wednesday, 19 November 2008 Time: 13:00 - 15:00 (UTC-6) //csi, iccrg, p2psip, mpls, manet, nea, tsvarea Please let Rob and me know of any items you'd like to see on the agenda, an early version of which has been posted to: As always, the scheduling is preliminary and subject to change. Also, this meeting runs into Friday afternoon! If you have issues with the meeting slot and/or the collisions listed above, let the chairs know. No promises, but with good justification there's a chance to have the wg meeting rescheduled. Also, please note the cutoff dates listed at A non-authoritative excerpt is here: 2008-10-20, Mon, 24:00 UTC - WG Chair approval for Version -00 submissions 2008-10-22, Wed, 24:00 UTC - Cutoff for requests to reschedule WG meetings 2008-10-27, Mon, 24:00 UTC - Final agenda to be published. 2008-10-27, Mon, 24:00 UTC - Internet Draft Cut-off for -00 versions 2008-11-04, Tue, 01:00 UTC - Final Internet Draft Cut-off 2008-11-06, Thu, 01:00 UTC - Draft Working Group agendas due 2008-11-11, Tue, 01:00 UTC - Revised Working Group agendas due 2008-11-16- 2008-11-21 - IETF 73 Scheduled times are based on close of business PDT/PST, thus the change in November. -Peter _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 16 05:41:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3773A6AE6; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:41:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6503A6AE6 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:41:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.565 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.565 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.684, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0QhLkhaF2M0U for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0B33A6955 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from denic.de ([10.122.65.106]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KqSBH-0001s9-FC; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:42:32 +0200 Received: by unknown.office.denic.de (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5C0A0838E0E; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:42:19 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNSOP WG Message-ID: <20081016124219.GB59401@unknown.office.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: [DNSOP] dnsop meeting at IETF73 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Dear WG, the tentative agenda for Minnepolis gives us a two-hour slot on Wednesday: Date: Wednesday, 19 November 2008 Time: 13:00 - 15:00 (UTC-6) //csi, iccrg, p2psip, mpls, manet, nea, tsvarea Please let Rob and me know of any items you'd like to see on the agenda, an early version of which has been posted to: As always, the scheduling is preliminary and subject to change. Also, this meeting runs into Friday afternoon! If you have issues with the meeting slot and/or the collisions listed above, let the chairs know. No promises, but with good justification there's a chance to have the wg meeting rescheduled. Also, please note the cutoff dates listed at A non-authoritative excerpt is here: 2008-10-20, Mon, 24:00 UTC - WG Chair approval for Version -00 submissions 2008-10-22, Wed, 24:00 UTC - Cutoff for requests to reschedule WG meetings 2008-10-27, Mon, 24:00 UTC - Final agenda to be published. 2008-10-27, Mon, 24:00 UTC - Internet Draft Cut-off for -00 versions 2008-11-04, Tue, 01:00 UTC - Final Internet Draft Cut-off 2008-11-06, Thu, 01:00 UTC - Draft Working Group agendas due 2008-11-11, Tue, 01:00 UTC - Revised Working Group agendas due 2008-11-16- 2008-11-21 - IETF 73 Scheduled times are based on close of business PDT/PST, thus the change in November. -Peter _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 17 15:23:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D7C28C14C; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:23:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C094928C13D; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:23:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.199, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_DEF_WHITELIST=-15] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rq1kCGKA7P7E; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bosco.isi.edu (bosco.isi.edu [128.9.168.207]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF3428C122; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bosco.isi.edu (Postfix, from userid 70) id 5B68B168CAE; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:24:06 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20081017222406.5B68B168CAE@bosco.isi.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [DNSOP] BCP 140, RFC 5358 on Preventing Use of Recursive Nameservers in Reflector Attacks X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. BCP 140 RFC 5358 Title: Preventing Use of Recursive Nameservers in Reflector Attacks Author: J. Damas, F. Neves Status: Best Current Practice Date: October 2008 Mailbox: Joao_Damas@isc.org, fneves@registro.br Pages: 7 Characters: 14957 See Also: BCP0140 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-06.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5358.txt This document describes ways to prevent the use of default configured recursive nameservers as reflectors in Denial of Service (DoS) attacks. It provides recommended configuration as measures to mitigate the attack. This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. This document is a product of the Domain Name System Operations Working Group of the IETF. BCP: This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. 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The RFC Editor Team USC/Information Sciences Institute _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 17 15:23:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D7C28C14C; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:23:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C094928C13D; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:23:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.199, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_DEF_WHITELIST=-15] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rq1kCGKA7P7E; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bosco.isi.edu (bosco.isi.edu [128.9.168.207]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF3428C122; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bosco.isi.edu (Postfix, from userid 70) id 5B68B168CAE; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:24:06 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20081017222406.5B68B168CAE@bosco.isi.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [DNSOP] BCP 140, RFC 5358 on Preventing Use of Recursive Nameservers in Reflector Attacks X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. BCP 140 RFC 5358 Title: Preventing Use of Recursive Nameservers in Reflector Attacks Author: J. Damas, F. Neves Status: Best Current Practice Date: October 2008 Mailbox: Joao_Damas@isc.org, fneves@registro.br Pages: 7 Characters: 14957 See Also: BCP0140 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-06.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5358.txt This document describes ways to prevent the use of default configured recursive nameservers as reflectors in Denial of Service (DoS) attacks. It provides recommended configuration as measures to mitigate the attack. This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. This document is a product of the Domain Name System Operations Working Group of the IETF. BCP: This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. To subscribe or unsubscribe, see http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-dist For searching the RFC series, see http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcsearch.html. For downloading RFCs, see http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html. Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the author of the RFC in question, or to rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org. Unless specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for unlimited distribution. The RFC Editor Team USC/Information Sciences Institute _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 10:38:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AC03A69B9; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:38:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC3D3A69B9 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:38:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.846 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.846 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id klinMEWu8lFE for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boo.jadickinson.co.uk (82-68-198-190.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.68.198.190]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF273A6804 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.17] (unknown [192.168.1.17]) by boo.jadickinson.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC69FDF8D7 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:38:02 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: John Dickinson To: dnsop@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:38:02 +0000 References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Stephen Morris, Roy Arends and I have just submitted http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 This draft describes a design for a name server control protocol that addresses the requirements set out in draft-ietf-dnsop-name-server- management-reqs-01.txt. John Begin forwarded message: > A new version of I-D, draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver- > control-00.txt has been successfuly submitted by John Dickinson and > posted to the IETF repository. > > Filename: draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control > Revision: 00 > Title: Design for a Nameserver Control Protocol > Creation_date: 2008-10-27 > WG ID: Independent Submission > Number_of_pages: 39 > > Abstract: > This document presents a design for a nameserver control protocol > (NSCP). > > A common data model for describing the configuration and operation of > a basic, but usable, generic name server is defined. This is > expressed in a formal modeling language (YANG) and can be used as the > basis of a set of NETCONF operations and capabilities. > > The data model described is extensible and will allow for the > creation of additional capabilities, ensuring that the protocol can > support all the features of a name server. > > > > The IETF Secretariat. > > _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 10:38:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AC03A69B9; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:38:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC3D3A69B9 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:38:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.846 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.846 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id klinMEWu8lFE for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boo.jadickinson.co.uk (82-68-198-190.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.68.198.190]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF273A6804 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.17] (unknown [192.168.1.17]) by boo.jadickinson.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC69FDF8D7 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:38:02 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: John Dickinson To: dnsop@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:38:02 +0000 References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Stephen Morris, Roy Arends and I have just submitted http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 This draft describes a design for a name server control protocol that addresses the requirements set out in draft-ietf-dnsop-name-server- management-reqs-01.txt. John Begin forwarded message: > A new version of I-D, draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver- > control-00.txt has been successfuly submitted by John Dickinson and > posted to the IETF repository. > > Filename: draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control > Revision: 00 > Title: Design for a Nameserver Control Protocol > Creation_date: 2008-10-27 > WG ID: Independent Submission > Number_of_pages: 39 > > Abstract: > This document presents a design for a nameserver control protocol > (NSCP). > > A common data model for describing the configuration and operation of > a basic, but usable, generic name server is defined. This is > expressed in a formal modeling language (YANG) and can be used as the > basis of a set of NETCONF operations and capabilities. > > The data model described is extensible and will allow for the > creation of additional capabilities, ensuring that the protocol can > support all the features of a name server. > > > > The IETF Secretariat. > > _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 11:27:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DE73A68A8; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:27:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768F63A68D0 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:27:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.159 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.159 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX=1.439, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zXG6sgx-Y7rA for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AABE3A687D for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:27:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=eKT7BWHKUQQeixq8qAEHH/nnJGEpA3rXpwTuWexCduBolAIViGgXUznKMxLHr+dn; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.125.79.23] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KuWoC-0000lZ-7B; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:27:21 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "John Dickinson" , References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:01:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798d7679adb41394f3856ddf98cfcc5297350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.125.79.23 Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Yeah and like the other DNSSEC I-D's I dfound numerous things in it that would violate the controls put in place by US Patent 6,370,629 of which I am one of the two owners and controlling parties to that IP. This was posted originally with IPR201 but evidently no one bothers to check and see what IPR Notices are in place BEFORE they start to publish work here in the IETF that is already patent controlled, and for which the IETF has been told in no uncertain terms that the IETF will NOT be granted use of this IP under any terms at this time. Todd Glassey Patent Rights Owner - US 6370629 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Dickinson" To: Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:38 AM Subject: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 > Hi, > > Stephen Morris, Roy Arends and I have just submitted > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 > > This draft describes a design for a name server control protocol that > addresses the requirements set out in draft-ietf-dnsop-name-server- > management-reqs-01.txt. > > John > > Begin forwarded message: > >> A new version of I-D, draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver- >> control-00.txt has been successfuly submitted by John Dickinson and >> posted to the IETF repository. >> >> Filename: draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control >> Revision: 00 >> Title: Design for a Nameserver Control Protocol >> Creation_date: 2008-10-27 >> WG ID: Independent Submission >> Number_of_pages: 39 >> >> Abstract: >> This document presents a design for a nameserver control protocol >> (NSCP). >> >> A common data model for describing the configuration and operation of >> a basic, but usable, generic name server is defined. This is >> expressed in a formal modeling language (YANG) and can be used as the >> basis of a set of NETCONF operations and capabilities. >> >> The data model described is extensible and will allow for the >> creation of additional capabilities, ensuring that the protocol can >> support all the features of a name server. >> >> >> >> The IETF Secretariat. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 11:27:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DE73A68A8; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:27:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768F63A68D0 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:27:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.159 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.159 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX=1.439, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zXG6sgx-Y7rA for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AABE3A687D for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:27:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=eKT7BWHKUQQeixq8qAEHH/nnJGEpA3rXpwTuWexCduBolAIViGgXUznKMxLHr+dn; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.125.79.23] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KuWoC-0000lZ-7B; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:27:21 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "John Dickinson" , References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:01:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798d7679adb41394f3856ddf98cfcc5297350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.125.79.23 Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Yeah and like the other DNSSEC I-D's I dfound numerous things in it that would violate the controls put in place by US Patent 6,370,629 of which I am one of the two owners and controlling parties to that IP. This was posted originally with IPR201 but evidently no one bothers to check and see what IPR Notices are in place BEFORE they start to publish work here in the IETF that is already patent controlled, and for which the IETF has been told in no uncertain terms that the IETF will NOT be granted use of this IP under any terms at this time. Todd Glassey Patent Rights Owner - US 6370629 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Dickinson" To: Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:38 AM Subject: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 > Hi, > > Stephen Morris, Roy Arends and I have just submitted > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 > > This draft describes a design for a name server control protocol that > addresses the requirements set out in draft-ietf-dnsop-name-server- > management-reqs-01.txt. > > John > > Begin forwarded message: > >> A new version of I-D, draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver- >> control-00.txt has been successfuly submitted by John Dickinson and >> posted to the IETF repository. >> >> Filename: draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control >> Revision: 00 >> Title: Design for a Nameserver Control Protocol >> Creation_date: 2008-10-27 >> WG ID: Independent Submission >> Number_of_pages: 39 >> >> Abstract: >> This document presents a design for a nameserver control protocol >> (NSCP). >> >> A common data model for describing the configuration and operation of >> a basic, but usable, generic name server is defined. This is >> expressed in a formal modeling language (YANG) and can be used as the >> basis of a set of NETCONF operations and capabilities. >> >> The data model described is extensible and will allow for the >> creation of additional capabilities, ensuring that the protocol can >> support all the features of a name server. >> >> >> >> The IETF Secretariat. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 12:11:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7483B28C205; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:11:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795293A6BB7 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:11:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iGvY9OmMROsf for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outpost.ds9a.nl (outpost.ds9a.nl [85.17.220.215]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C073A6BB6 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by outpost.ds9a.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 066CB82E2F; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:11:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:11:10 +0100 From: bert hubert To: TS Glassey Message-ID: <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> Mail-Followup-To: bert hubert , TS Glassey , dnsop@ietf.org References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:01:13AM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: > Yeah and like the other DNSSEC I-D's I dfound numerous things in it that > would violate the controls put in place by US Patent 6,370,629 of which I > am one of the two owners and controlling parties to that IP. Please start litigating. I've looked at this patent and the other one you mentioned in the context of DNSSEC, and based on earlier discussions with a patent attorney, your claims don't look like they would stand up at least in Dutch courts. draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control does not even mention a geographical location, nor does it mention anything that is time controlled. If I recall correctly, making bogus IPR claims is a punishable offense at least in Germany - SCO suffered that fate. So either litigate or refrain from intimidating us. Bert -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 12:11:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7483B28C205; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:11:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795293A6BB7 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:11:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iGvY9OmMROsf for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outpost.ds9a.nl (outpost.ds9a.nl [85.17.220.215]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C073A6BB6 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by outpost.ds9a.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 066CB82E2F; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:11:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:11:10 +0100 From: bert hubert To: TS Glassey Message-ID: <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> Mail-Followup-To: bert hubert , TS Glassey , dnsop@ietf.org References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:01:13AM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: > Yeah and like the other DNSSEC I-D's I dfound numerous things in it that > would violate the controls put in place by US Patent 6,370,629 of which I > am one of the two owners and controlling parties to that IP. Please start litigating. I've looked at this patent and the other one you mentioned in the context of DNSSEC, and based on earlier discussions with a patent attorney, your claims don't look like they would stand up at least in Dutch courts. draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control does not even mention a geographical location, nor does it mention anything that is time controlled. If I recall correctly, making bogus IPR claims is a punishable offense at least in Germany - SCO suffered that fate. So either litigate or refrain from intimidating us. Bert -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 12:28:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F7C3A6BC6; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:28:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0553A67D4; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:28:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.159 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.159 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX=1.439, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hLx58Wn29Qri; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D403A6B88; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:28:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=NgZEpF31gmipFuaqaDqdM/50pSw7YgWmKEQ60KEh/GgiP7MMPyAmubfmr9jGD2eT; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.125.79.23] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KuXlQ-0003Cw-6O; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:28:32 -0400 Message-ID: <00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "bert hubert" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:26:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79d00bcd54f03be72fe91f2686dbaf4463350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.125.79.23 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "bert hubert" To: "TS Glassey" Cc: Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:01:13AM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: >> Yeah and like the other DNSSEC I-D's I dfound numerous things in it that >> would violate the controls put in place by US Patent 6,370,629 of which I >> am one of the two owners and controlling parties to that IP. > > Please start litigating. I've looked at this patent and the other one you > mentioned in the context of DNSSEC, and based on earlier discussions with > a > patent attorney, your claims don't look like they would stand up at least > in > Dutch courts. Burt - as to litigating, lets get the general counsel of NETLABS into this convo RIGHT NOW because that is exactly my intent sir. > > draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control does not even mention a > geographical location, nor does it mention anything that is time > controlled. > > If I recall correctly, making bogus IPR claims is a punishable offense at > least in Germany - SCO suffered that fate. > > So either litigate or refrain from intimidating us. Be advised that the IETF process REQUIRES ME TO NOTICE THE IETF EACH TIME SOMETHING IS PUBLISHED WHICH INFRINGES ON THE PATENT, per the direct words of BCP78 and its supporting documents. So if you object take it up with the IPR WG and the IESG for making it mandatory for me to notify the IETF each time one of you does something to infringe on our patent rights. > > Bert > > -- > http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software > http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 12:28:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F7C3A6BC6; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:28:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0553A67D4; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:28:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.159 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.159 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX=1.439, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hLx58Wn29Qri; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D403A6B88; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:28:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=NgZEpF31gmipFuaqaDqdM/50pSw7YgWmKEQ60KEh/GgiP7MMPyAmubfmr9jGD2eT; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.125.79.23] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KuXlQ-0003Cw-6O; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:28:32 -0400 Message-ID: <00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "bert hubert" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:26:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79d00bcd54f03be72fe91f2686dbaf4463350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.125.79.23 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "bert hubert" To: "TS Glassey" Cc: Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:01:13AM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: >> Yeah and like the other DNSSEC I-D's I dfound numerous things in it that >> would violate the controls put in place by US Patent 6,370,629 of which I >> am one of the two owners and controlling parties to that IP. > > Please start litigating. I've looked at this patent and the other one you > mentioned in the context of DNSSEC, and based on earlier discussions with > a > patent attorney, your claims don't look like they would stand up at least > in > Dutch courts. Burt - as to litigating, lets get the general counsel of NETLABS into this convo RIGHT NOW because that is exactly my intent sir. > > draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control does not even mention a > geographical location, nor does it mention anything that is time > controlled. > > If I recall correctly, making bogus IPR claims is a punishable offense at > least in Germany - SCO suffered that fate. > > So either litigate or refrain from intimidating us. Be advised that the IETF process REQUIRES ME TO NOTICE THE IETF EACH TIME SOMETHING IS PUBLISHED WHICH INFRINGES ON THE PATENT, per the direct words of BCP78 and its supporting documents. So if you object take it up with the IPR WG and the IESG for making it mandatory for me to notify the IETF each time one of you does something to infringe on our patent rights. > > Bert > > -- > http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software > http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 12:41:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11A83A6AF9; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:41:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E24A3A6AB0; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:41:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 51yg09HOPHhh; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outpost.ds9a.nl (outpost.ds9a.nl [85.17.220.215]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE4D3A68D0; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by outpost.ds9a.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2179982E2F; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:41:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:41:55 +0100 From: bert hubert To: TS Glassey Message-ID: <20081027194155.GB10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> Mail-Followup-To: bert hubert , TS Glassey , dnsop@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> <00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:26:39PM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: > >Please start litigating. I've looked at this patent and the other one you > >mentioned in the context of DNSSEC, and based on earlier discussions with > >a > >patent attorney, your claims don't look like they would stand up at least > >in > >Dutch courts. > > Burt - as to litigating, lets get the general counsel of NETLABS into this > convo RIGHT NOW because that is exactly my intent sir. I suggest you calm down - at which point you might realise I'm not a party in this. If you want to serve any papers on me, you'll find my address on http://netherlabs.nl Bert -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 12:41:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11A83A6AF9; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:41:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E24A3A6AB0; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:41:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 51yg09HOPHhh; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outpost.ds9a.nl (outpost.ds9a.nl [85.17.220.215]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE4D3A68D0; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by outpost.ds9a.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2179982E2F; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:41:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:41:55 +0100 From: bert hubert To: TS Glassey Message-ID: <20081027194155.GB10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> Mail-Followup-To: bert hubert , TS Glassey , dnsop@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> <00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:26:39PM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: > >Please start litigating. I've looked at this patent and the other one you > >mentioned in the context of DNSSEC, and based on earlier discussions with > >a > >patent attorney, your claims don't look like they would stand up at least > >in > >Dutch courts. > > Burt - as to litigating, lets get the general counsel of NETLABS into this > convo RIGHT NOW because that is exactly my intent sir. I suggest you calm down - at which point you might realise I'm not a party in this. If you want to serve any papers on me, you'll find my address on http://netherlabs.nl Bert -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 12:44:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF763A694D; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:44:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7242D3A68D0 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:44:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xx3-NPEPq0zQ for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newtla.xelerance.com (newtla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.143]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0123A694D for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tla.xelerance.com (tla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.130]) by newtla.xelerance.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F63C2D1; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:48:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: bert hubert In-Reply-To: <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> Message-ID: References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LFD 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, TS Glassey Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, bert hubert wrote: > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:01:13AM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: >> Yeah and like the other DNSSEC I-D's I dfound numerous things in it that >> would violate the controls put in place by US Patent 6,370,629 of which I >> am one of the two owners and controlling parties to that IP. > > Please start litigating. I've looked at this patent and the other one you > mentioned in the context of DNSSEC, and based on earlier discussions with a > patent attorney, your claims don't look like they would stand up at least in > Dutch courts. I agree. The patent is irrelevant. One example of prior art I can come up with already is Netscape restricting its SSL download in the 90's to US citizens only, based on geogrpahical locations of IP addresses, back in the early day before the Wassenaar Agreement relaxed US export controls, a decade before the filing of this patent in 2002. And last I looked, my DNSSEC servers and clients don't have a GPS, the only part of the "invention" that might possible hold (IANAL) But the Patent Holder seems to think using a physical key to lock out everyone "geospatially located outside my house" seems to violate their patent. I have no idea how DNSSEC possibly relates to this. Paul _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 12:44:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF763A694D; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:44:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7242D3A68D0 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:44:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xx3-NPEPq0zQ for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newtla.xelerance.com (newtla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.143]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0123A694D for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tla.xelerance.com (tla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.130]) by newtla.xelerance.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F63C2D1; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:48:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: bert hubert In-Reply-To: <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> Message-ID: References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LFD 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, TS Glassey Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, bert hubert wrote: > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:01:13AM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: >> Yeah and like the other DNSSEC I-D's I dfound numerous things in it that >> would violate the controls put in place by US Patent 6,370,629 of which I >> am one of the two owners and controlling parties to that IP. > > Please start litigating. I've looked at this patent and the other one you > mentioned in the context of DNSSEC, and based on earlier discussions with a > patent attorney, your claims don't look like they would stand up at least in > Dutch courts. I agree. The patent is irrelevant. One example of prior art I can come up with already is Netscape restricting its SSL download in the 90's to US citizens only, based on geogrpahical locations of IP addresses, back in the early day before the Wassenaar Agreement relaxed US export controls, a decade before the filing of this patent in 2002. And last I looked, my DNSSEC servers and clients don't have a GPS, the only part of the "invention" that might possible hold (IANAL) But the Patent Holder seems to think using a physical key to lock out everyone "geospatially located outside my house" seems to violate their patent. I have no idea how DNSSEC possibly relates to this. Paul _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 12:45:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD53D3A6998; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:45:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBD63A697B for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:45:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6iPjnLwSdmx7 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newtla.xelerance.com (newtla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.143]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143C33A6998 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tla.xelerance.com (tla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.130]) by newtla.xelerance.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A46C2D1; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:50:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: TS Glassey In-Reply-To: <00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> Message-ID: References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> <00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LFD 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, TS Glassey wrote: > Be advised that the IETF process REQUIRES ME TO NOTICE THE IETF EACH TIME > SOMETHING IS PUBLISHED WHICH INFRINGES ON THE PATENT, per the direct words of Is that why you are writing emails a month into the future? Paul _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 12:45:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD53D3A6998; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:45:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBD63A697B for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:45:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6iPjnLwSdmx7 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newtla.xelerance.com (newtla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.143]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143C33A6998 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tla.xelerance.com (tla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.130]) by newtla.xelerance.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A46C2D1; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:50:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: TS Glassey In-Reply-To: <00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> Message-ID: References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> <00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LFD 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, TS Glassey wrote: > Be advised that the IETF process REQUIRES ME TO NOTICE THE IETF EACH TIME > SOMETHING IS PUBLISHED WHICH INFRINGES ON THE PATENT, per the direct words of Is that why you are writing emails a month into the future? Paul _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 12:54:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5EE3A6B99; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:54:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4413A6B72 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:54:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.879 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.879 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.719, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iNFY3HeGzl3C for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:54:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2483A697B for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:54:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lydnqTaao9iTlOMhf0owJe1k3JXlm7rUUaJtggWY5u0NfI9KW/k2HvHc24ozotxO; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.125.79.23] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KuYAd-0005Wi-Hu; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:54:35 -0400 Message-ID: <012901c9386d$f2b1a950$2000a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "Paul Wouters" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com><002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1><20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl><00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:53:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7909a2995d2f95928d95ec77dd764632b2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.125.79.23 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org No that is because of microsoft's new security fixes. But since there is no time-stamping process used to insure the integrity of the IETF's posting it seems that you folks dont want anyone who is constrained by the IETF's MUST DISCLOSE PATENT CONTROLS to do that. If you did then you would already know that this patent controls the use of a network-location as a crypto element of entitlement or authentication. Todd Glassey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wouters" To: "TS Glassey" Cc: Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 > On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, TS Glassey wrote: > >> Be advised that the IETF process REQUIRES ME TO NOTICE THE IETF EACH TIME >> SOMETHING IS PUBLISHED WHICH INFRINGES ON THE PATENT, per the direct >> words of > > Is that why you are writing emails a month into the future? > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 12:54:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5EE3A6B99; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:54:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4413A6B72 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:54:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.879 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.879 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.719, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iNFY3HeGzl3C for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:54:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2483A697B for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:54:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lydnqTaao9iTlOMhf0owJe1k3JXlm7rUUaJtggWY5u0NfI9KW/k2HvHc24ozotxO; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.125.79.23] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KuYAd-0005Wi-Hu; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:54:35 -0400 Message-ID: <012901c9386d$f2b1a950$2000a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "Paul Wouters" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com><002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1><20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl><00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:53:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7909a2995d2f95928d95ec77dd764632b2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.125.79.23 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org No that is because of microsoft's new security fixes. But since there is no time-stamping process used to insure the integrity of the IETF's posting it seems that you folks dont want anyone who is constrained by the IETF's MUST DISCLOSE PATENT CONTROLS to do that. If you did then you would already know that this patent controls the use of a network-location as a crypto element of entitlement or authentication. Todd Glassey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wouters" To: "TS Glassey" Cc: Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 > On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, TS Glassey wrote: > >> Be advised that the IETF process REQUIRES ME TO NOTICE THE IETF EACH TIME >> SOMETHING IS PUBLISHED WHICH INFRINGES ON THE PATENT, per the direct >> words of > > Is that why you are writing emails a month into the future? > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 13:15:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B433A6BE2; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:15:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851B43A6B89; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:15:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.022 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.022 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.576, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id luNJmRJutCQa; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A103A6879; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:14:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=CmlLJTqdmm2CXAlxEq3/zXfJ0zVTrWFLm4nHOHt2DeyOAhO/OMeCd0oO+TQRvY8H; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.125.79.23] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KuYAe-0005Wi-4J; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:54:36 -0400 Message-ID: <012a01c9386d$f309db70$2000a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "bert hubert" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com><002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1><20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl><00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027194155.GB10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:55:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79807422d0dd24673bd29456b7628b3da7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.125.79.23 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org You know Bert, the IETF requires I formally disclose this same info each time a new infringing work is published, so take it up with them if you have an issue. Todd Glassey ----- Original Message ----- From: "bert hubert" To: "TS Glassey" Cc: ; Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:26:39PM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: >> >Please start litigating. I've looked at this patent and the other one >> >you >> >mentioned in the context of DNSSEC, and based on earlier discussions >> >with >> >a >> >patent attorney, your claims don't look like they would stand up at >> >least >> >in >> >Dutch courts. >> >> Burt - as to litigating, lets get the general counsel of NETLABS into >> this >> convo RIGHT NOW because that is exactly my intent sir. > > I suggest you calm down - at which point you might realise I'm not a party > in this. If you want to serve any papers on me, you'll find my address on > http://netherlabs.nl > > Bert > > -- > http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software > http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 13:15:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B433A6BE2; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:15:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851B43A6B89; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:15:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.022 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.022 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.576, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id luNJmRJutCQa; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A103A6879; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:14:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=CmlLJTqdmm2CXAlxEq3/zXfJ0zVTrWFLm4nHOHt2DeyOAhO/OMeCd0oO+TQRvY8H; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.125.79.23] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KuYAe-0005Wi-4J; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:54:36 -0400 Message-ID: <012a01c9386d$f309db70$2000a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "bert hubert" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com><002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1><20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl><00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027194155.GB10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:55:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79807422d0dd24673bd29456b7628b3da7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.125.79.23 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org You know Bert, the IETF requires I formally disclose this same info each time a new infringing work is published, so take it up with them if you have an issue. Todd Glassey ----- Original Message ----- From: "bert hubert" To: "TS Glassey" Cc: ; Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:26:39PM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: >> >Please start litigating. I've looked at this patent and the other one >> >you >> >mentioned in the context of DNSSEC, and based on earlier discussions >> >with >> >a >> >patent attorney, your claims don't look like they would stand up at >> >least >> >in >> >Dutch courts. >> >> Burt - as to litigating, lets get the general counsel of NETLABS into >> this >> convo RIGHT NOW because that is exactly my intent sir. > > I suggest you calm down - at which point you might realise I'm not a party > in this. If you want to serve any papers on me, you'll find my address on > http://netherlabs.nl > > Bert > > -- > http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software > http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 16:21:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331C13A6BBC; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:21:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF1A3A6813 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:21:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.115, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QiTQdjNSZdUf for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4BF3A6B3D for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:21:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=EaGEU4c+/7rOsvJAJ7mYZm0uoZ5Z0mjklY3XmDucWDqzeJEQU3ZaLnZepziMGuU6; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.180.133.66] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KubON-0000uo-SA; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:21:00 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c9388a$c8de6470$6401a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "Paul Wouters" , "bert hubert" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com><002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1><20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:21:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79bd18ef1b5b34ee02e4ee45c259768501350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.180.133.66 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wouters" To: "bert hubert" Cc: ; "TS Glassey" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, bert hubert wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:01:13AM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: >>> Yeah and like the other DNSSEC I-D's I dfound numerous things in it that >>> would violate the controls put in place by US Patent 6,370,629 of which >>> I >>> am one of the two owners and controlling parties to that IP. >> >> Please start litigating. I've looked at this patent and the other one you >> mentioned in the context of DNSSEC, and based on earlier discussions with >> a >> patFrom dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 16:21:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331C13A6BBC; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:21:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF1A3A6813 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:21:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.115, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QiTQdjNSZdUf for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4BF3A6B3D for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:21:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=EaGEU4c+/7rOsvJAJ7mYZm0uoZ5Z0mjklY3XmDucWDqzeJEQU3ZaLnZepziMGuU6; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.180.133.66] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KubON-0000uo-SA; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:21:00 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c9388a$c8de6470$6401a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "Paul Wouters" , "bert hubert" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com><002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1><20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:21:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79bd18ef1b5b34ee02e4ee45c259768501350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.180.133.66 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wouters" To: "bert hubert" Cc: ; "TS Glassey" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, bert hubert wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:01:13AM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: >>> Yeah and like the other DNSSEC I-D's I dfound numerous things in it that >>> would violate the controls put in place by US Patent 6,370,629 of which >>> I >>> am one of the two owners and controlling parties to that IP. >> >> Please start litigating. I've looked at this patent and the other one you >> mentioned in the context of DNSSEC, and based on earlier discussions with >> a >> pent attorney, your claims don't look like they would stand up at least >> in >> Dutch courts. > > I agree. The patent is irrelevant. Then you personally are assuming all professional liability for this working group if you are wrong since you just formally advised everyone on this list to ignore the patent's coverage. Nice move... since you literally are not qualified to tell people that, whereas I am allowed to assert that these technologies are protected by our patent as the patent's protector. The ONLY person who can formally say otherwise by the way is a lawyer. > One example of prior art I can come up > with already is Netscape restricting its SSL download in the 90's to US > citizens only, based on geogrpahical locations of IP addresses, back in > the early day before the Wassenaar Agreement relaxed US export controls, > a decade before the filing of this patent in 2002. 1) The SSL restrictions comes from a single product which accomplished this process. The SSL process is a simple tool which provides modular usage of itself as a tool, based on the key/pki model used. By the way Paul - I am negotiating with Network Solutions on their ownership of the US Navy's SSL patent as well. 2) The controlling access, patent is a derivative of an already filed patent and was originally filed in 1999 and issued in 2002 not filed in 2002 as you mistakenly represented here. The thing that ties it all together is the location value being asserted through the inclusion of the location-tool (the GPS reciever). > > And last I looked, my DNSSEC servers and clients don't have a GPS, the > only > part of the "invention" that might possible hold (IANAL). They dont need to - they just need to have location-broadcasts which use signed location data. > > But the Patent Holder seems to think using a physical key to lock out > everyone > "geospatially located outside my house" seems to violate their patent. > > I have no idea how DNSSEC possibly relates to this. Which further document's why its improper for you Paul to be giving people legal advice here. The US Government issued the patent so they and six other jurisdictions thought it was OK and there wasn't prior art preventing its implementation. And yes Paul I can and will document how the patent pertains to DNSSEC and any number of other processes which now use secured-location information as part of their keying process for administering their practical security policy. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop atent attorney, your claims don't look like they would stand up at least >> in >> Dutch courts. > > I agree. The patent is irrelevant. Then you personally are assuming all professional liability for this working group if you are wrong since you just formally advised everyone on this list to ignore the patent's coverage. Nice move... since you literally are not qualified to tell people that, whereas I am allowed to assert that these technologies are protected by our patent as the patent's protector. The ONLY person who can formally say otherwise by the way is a lawyer. > One example of prior art I can come up > with already is Netscape restricting its SSL download in the 90's to US > citizens only, based on geogrpahical locations of IP addresses, back in > the early day before the Wassenaar Agreement relaxed US export controls, > a decade before the filing of this patent in 2002. 1) The SSL restrictions comes from a single product which accomplished this process. The SSL process is a simple tool which provides modular usage of itself as a tool, based on the key/pki model used. By the way Paul - I am negotiating with Network Solutions on their ownership of the US Navy's SSL patent as well. 2) The controlling access, patent is a derivative of an already filed patent and was originally filed in 1999 and issued in 2002 not filed in 2002 as you mistakenly represented here. The thing that ties it all together is the location value being asserted through the inclusion of the location-tool (the GPS reciever). > > And last I looked, my DNSSEC servers and clients don't have a GPS, the > only > part of the "invention" that might possible hold (IANAL). They dont need to - they just need to have location-broadcasts which use signed location data. > > But the Patent Holder seems to think using a physical key to lock out > everyone > "geospatially located outside my house" seems to violate their patent. > > I have no idea how DNSSEC possibly relates to this. Which further document's why its improper for you Paul to be giving people legal advice here. The US Government issued the patent so they and six other jurisdictions thought it was OK and there wasn't prior art preventing its implementation. And yes Paul I can and will document how the patent pertains to DNSSEC and any number of other processes which now use secured-location information as part of their keying process for administering their practical security policy. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 16:24:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F013A6BD6; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:24:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E323A6BD6 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:24:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.762 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.762 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.836, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WwXSZOXZ4wwG for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE6B3A6BC5 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:23:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=uAJn+6wPGUDEqYbmUbbma/DqHin84NwOEH/0T9LIzaUdrmtQwuQqtFHJeaGh3Dar; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.180.133.66] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KubRC-0000X4-IK; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:23:54 -0500 Message-ID: <004701c9388b$30fff460$6401a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "Paul Wouters" , "bert hubert" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:24:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794c198bd5bcb18136d4b0c7f43da3963d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.180.133.66 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Rude legalese phone call, possibly related to "patent infringement" X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org No Paul that is an out and out LIE - I made that call and what I asked for was the legal department and whoever answered the phone refused to provide information as to who that was unless I justified the conversation. I was told I would have to 'specify which XCelera Products and processes' before I was to be transfered to a legal representative of the company without the individual identifying themselves. Be advised that your General Counsel will be formally hearing from me tomorrow and we will ESCALATE THIS MATTER. Todd Glassey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wouters" To: "bert hubert" Cc: ; "TS Glassey" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:10 PM Subject: Rude legalese phone call, possibly related to "patent infringement" > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Paul Wouters wrote: > > > Just to inform the IETF community, > > Xelerance received a call from a person who refused to identify himself, > who threatened with law suits and would only say it was a matter of > "patent infringement". This person refused to reveal his name, his client > or the product of Xelerance that was deemed to be infringing. It is most > likely this person tried to pretend he was a lawyer, without actually > saying he wasn't. > > He was informed to conduct further communication in writing. > > I will keep the IETF informed if this indeeds relates to DNSSEC's supposed > violation of geospatial cryptography. > > Paul > >>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:01:13AM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: >>>> Yeah and like the other DNSSEC I-D's I dfound numerous things in it >>>> that >>>> would violate the controls put in place by US Patent 6,370,629 of which >>>> I >>>> am one of the two owners and controlling parties to that IP. >>> >>> Please start litigating. I've looked at this patent and the other one >>> you >>> mentioned in the context of DNSSEC, and based on earlier discussions >>> with a >>> patent attorney, your claims don't look like they would stand up at >>> least >>> in >>> Dutch courts. >> >> I agree. The patent is irrelevant. One example of prior art I can come up >> with already is Netscape restricting its SSL download in the 90's to US >> citizens only, based on geogrpahical locations of IP addresses, back in >> the early day before the Wassenaar Agreement relaxed US export controls, >> a decade before the filing of this patent in 2002. >> >> And last I looked, my DNSSEC servers and clients don't have a GPS, the >> only >> part of the "invention" that might possible hold (IANAL) >> >> But the Patent Holder seems to think using a physical key to lock out >> everyone >> "geospatially located outside my house" seems to violate their patent. >> >> I have no idea how DNSSEC possibly relates to this. >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> DNSOP mailing list >> DNSOP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1750 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 6:14 PM _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 16:24:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F013A6BD6; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:24:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E323A6BD6 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:24:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.762 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.762 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.836, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WwXSZOXZ4wwG for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE6B3A6BC5 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:23:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=uAJn+6wPGUDEqYbmUbbma/DqHin84NwOEH/0T9LIzaUdrmtQwuQqtFHJeaGh3Dar; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.180.133.66] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KubRC-0000X4-IK; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:23:54 -0500 Message-ID: <004701c9388b$30fff460$6401a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "Paul Wouters" , "bert hubert" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:24:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794c198bd5bcb18136d4b0c7f43da3963d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.180.133.66 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Rude legalese phone call, possibly related to "patent infringement" X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org No Paul that is an out and out LIE - I made that call and what I asked for was the legal department and whoever answered the phone refused to provide information as to who that was unless I justified the conversation. I was told I would have to 'specify which XCelera Products and processes' before I was to be transfered to a legal representative of the company without the individual identifying themselves. Be advised that your General Counsel will be formally hearing from me tomorrow and we will ESCALATE THIS MATTER. Todd Glassey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wouters" To: "bert hubert" Cc: ; "TS Glassey" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:10 PM Subject: Rude legalese phone call, possibly related to "patent infringement" > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Paul Wouters wrote: > > > Just to inform the IETF community, > > Xelerance received a call from a person who refused to identify himself, > who threatened with law suits and would only say it was a matter of > "patent infringement". This person refused to reveal his name, his client > or the product of Xelerance that was deemed to be infringing. It is most > likely this person tried to pretend he was a lawyer, without actually > saying he wasn't. > > He was informed to conduct further communication in writing. > > I will keep the IETF informed if this indeeds relates to DNSSEC's supposed > violation of geospatial cryptography. > > Paul > >>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:01:13AM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: >>>> Yeah and like the other DNSSEC I-D's I dfound numerous things in it >>>> that >>>> would violate the controls put in place by US Patent 6,370,629 of which >>>> I >>>> am one of the two owners and controlling parties to that IP. >>> >>> Please start litigating. I've looked at this patent and the other one >>> you >>> mentioned in the context of DNSSEC, and based on earlier discussions >>> with a >>> patent attorney, your claims don't look like they would stand up at >>> least >>> in >>> Dutch courts. >> >> I agree. The patent is irrelevant. One example of prior art I can come up >> with already is Netscape restricting its SSL download in the 90's to US >> citizens only, based on geogrpahical locations of IP addresses, back in >> the early day before the Wassenaar Agreement relaxed US export controls, >> a decade before the filing of this patent in 2002. >> >> And last I looked, my DNSSEC servers and clients don't have a GPS, the >> only >> part of the "invention" that might possible hold (IANAL) >> >> But the Patent Holder seems to think using a physical key to lock out >> everyone >> "geospatially located outside my house" seems to violate their patent. >> >> I have no idea how DNSSEC possibly relates to this. >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> DNSOP mailing list >> DNSOP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1750 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 6:14 PM _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 16:25:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF1E28C21B; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:25:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D952528C20B for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:25:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SelzePz-TK3N for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newtla.xelerance.com (newtla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.143]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97E228C16C for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tla.xelerance.com (tla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.130]) by newtla.xelerance.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55237C427; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:10:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: bert hubert In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LFD 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, TS Glassey Subject: [DNSOP] Rude legalese phone call, possibly related to "patent infringement" X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Paul Wouters wrote: Just to inform the IETF community, Xelerance received a call from a person who refused to identify himself, who threatened with law suits and would only say it was a matter of "patent infringement". This person refused to reveal his name, his client or the product of Xelerance that was deemed to be infringing. It is most likely this person tried to pretend he was a lawyer, without actually saying he wasn't. He was informed to conduct further communication in writing. I will keep the IETF informed if this indeeds relates to DNSSEC's supposed violation of geospatial cryptography. Paul >> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:01:13AM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: >>> Yeah and like the other DNSSEC I-D's I dfound numerous things in it that >>> would violate the controls put in place by US Patent 6,370,629 of which I >>> am one of the two owners and controlling parties to that IP. >> >> Please start litigating. I've looked at this patent and the other one you >> mentioned in the context of DNSSEC, and based on earlier discussions with a >> patent attorney, your claims don't look like they would stand up at least >> in >> Dutch courts. > > I agree. The patent is irrelevant. One example of prior art I can come up > with already is Netscape restricting its SSL download in the 90's to US > citizens only, based on geogrpahical locations of IP addresses, back in > the early day before the Wassenaar Agreement relaxed US export controls, > a decade before the filing of this patent in 2002. > > And last I looked, my DNSSEC servers and clients don't have a GPS, the only > part of the "invention" that might possible hold (IANAL) > > But the Patent Holder seems to think using a physical key to lock out > everyone > "geospatially located outside my house" seems to violate their patent. > > I have no idea how DNSSEC possibly relates to this. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop > _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 16:25:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF1E28C21B; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:25:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D952528C20B for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:25:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SelzePz-TK3N for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newtla.xelerance.com (newtla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.143]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97E228C16C for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tla.xelerance.com (tla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.130]) by newtla.xelerance.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55237C427; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:10:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: bert hubert In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LFD 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, TS Glassey Subject: [DNSOP] Rude legalese phone call, possibly related to "patent infringement" X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Paul Wouters wrote: Just to inform the IETF community, Xelerance received a call from a person who refused to identify himself, who threatened with law suits and would only say it was a matter of "patent infringement". This person refused to reveal his name, his client or the product of Xelerance that was deemed to be infringing. It is most likely this person tried to pretend he was a lawyer, without actually saying he wasn't. He was informed to conduct further communication in writing. I will keep the IETF informed if this indeeds relates to DNSSEC's supposed violation of geospatial cryptography. Paul >> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:01:13AM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: >>> Yeah and like the other DNSSEC I-D's I dfound numerous things in it that >>> would violate the controls put in place by US Patent 6,370,629 of which I >>> am one of the two owners and controlling parties to that IP. >> >> Please start litigating. I've looked at this patent and the other one you >> mentioned in the context of DNSSEC, and based on earlier discussions with a >> patent attorney, your claims don't look like they would stand up at least >> in >> Dutch courts. > > I agree. The patent is irrelevant. One example of prior art I can come up > with already is Netscape restricting its SSL download in the 90's to US > citizens only, based on geogrpahical locations of IP addresses, back in > the early day before the Wassenaar Agreement relaxed US export controls, > a decade before the filing of this patent in 2002. > > And last I looked, my DNSSEC servers and clients don't have a GPS, the only > part of the "invention" that might possible hold (IANAL) > > But the Patent Holder seems to think using a physical key to lock out > everyone > "geospatially located outside my house" seems to violate their patent. > > I have no idea how DNSSEC possibly relates to this. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop > _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 16:29:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9830528C20B; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:29:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943D028C20B for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:29:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BRBlCTs0Os0f for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyteen.hactrn.net (cyteen.hactrn.net [IPv6:2002:425c:4242:0:210:5aff:fe86:1f54]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE8428C193 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thrintun.hactrn.net (thrintun.hactrn.net [IPv6:2002:425c:4242:0:219:d1ff:fe12:5d30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "thrintun.hactrn.net", Issuer "Grunchweather Associates" (verified OK)) by cyteen.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70A152845A for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thrintun.hactrn.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by thrintun.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5BC22807 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:29:10 -0400 From: Rob Austein To: dnsop@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <004701c9388b$30fff460$6401a8c0@tsg1> References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> <004701c9388b$30fff460$6401a8c0@tsg1> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/21.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Message-Id: <20081027232910.2B5BC22807@thrintun.hactrn.net> Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Rude legalese phone call, possibly related to "patent infringement" X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Ok, that's enough. Todd, you have made your point that you believe you have IPR in this space. Noted. Now everyone please stop this, immediately. This is not a forum for legal debates, let alone insults, and claims that Todd might or might not have against various implementors are between him and the implementors, to be settled elsewhere. Stop, now. _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 16:29:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9830528C20B; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:29:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943D028C20B for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:29:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BRBlCTs0Os0f for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyteen.hactrn.net (cyteen.hactrn.net [IPv6:2002:425c:4242:0:210:5aff:fe86:1f54]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE8428C193 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thrintun.hactrn.net (thrintun.hactrn.net [IPv6:2002:425c:4242:0:219:d1ff:fe12:5d30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "thrintun.hactrn.net", Issuer "Grunchweather Associates" (verified OK)) by cyteen.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70A152845A for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thrintun.hactrn.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by thrintun.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5BC22807 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:29:10 -0400 From: Rob Austein To: dnsop@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <004701c9388b$30fff460$6401a8c0@tsg1> References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> <004701c9388b$30fff460$6401a8c0@tsg1> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/21.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Message-Id: <20081027232910.2B5BC22807@thrintun.hactrn.net> Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Rude legalese phone call, possibly related to "patent infringement" X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Ok, that's enough. Todd, you have made your point that you believe you have IPR in this space. Noted. Now everyone please stop this, immediately. This is not a forum for legal debates, let alone insults, and claims that Todd might or might not have against various implementors are between him and the implementors, to be settled elsewhere. Stop, now. _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 16:57:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629663A6A66; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:57:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C2A3A6A66 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:57:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qMcPWHo+Wdin for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newtla.xelerance.com (newtla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.143]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331883A689A for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tla.xelerance.com (tla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.130]) by newtla.xelerance.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25822C427; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:01:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: TS Glassey In-Reply-To: <003901c9388a$c8de6470$6401a8c0@tsg1> Message-ID: References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com><002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1><20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> <003901c9388a$c8de6470$6401a8c0@tsg1> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LFD 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, bert hubert Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, TS Glassey wrote: >> I agree. The patent is irrelevant. > > Then you personally are assuming all professional liability for this working > group if you are wrong since you just formally advised everyone on this list > to ignore the patent's coverage. It is interesting that you claim such far reaching affects of statements made on mailinglists, especially seeing that in 2003 you yourself claimed: know that I am not a lawyer and thus not qualified to advise prospective implementors about the implications of this court decision, You can't have the cake and eat it too Todd. Bullying Xelerance by phone is not going to make a difference (Google confirmed the ranting call was made my a phone number associated with a "Todd Glassley")[*] > Which further document's why its improper for you Paul to be giving people > legal advice here. Indeed. If I were to be giving legal advise, I would surely be charging $600/hour for that, instead of giving it away on public mailing lists. > The US Government issued the patent so they and six other > jurisdictions thought it was OK and there wasn't prior art preventing its > implementation. I'm a Dutch citizen working for a Canadian company. There are limits to what Canadians (who don't do software patents) allow to be jerked around with by the US. Remember RIM? I can see a connectioFrom dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 16:57:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629663A6A66; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:57:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C2A3A6A66 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:57:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qMcPWHo+Wdin for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newtla.xelerance.com (newtla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.143]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331883A689A for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tla.xelerance.com (tla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.130]) by newtla.xelerance.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25822C427; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:01:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: TS Glassey In-Reply-To: <003901c9388a$c8de6470$6401a8c0@tsg1> Message-ID: References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com><002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1><20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> <003901c9388a$c8de6470$6401a8c0@tsg1> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LFD 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, bert hubert Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, TS Glassey wrote: >> I agree. The patent is irrelevant. > > Then you personally are assuming all professional liability for this working > group if you are wrong since you just formally advised everyone on this list > to ignore the patent's coverage. It is interesting that you claim such far reaching affects of statements made on mailinglists, especially seeing that in 2003 you yourself claimed: know that I am not a lawyer and thus not qualified to advise prospective implementors about the implications of this court decision, You can't have the cake and eat it too Todd. Bullying Xelerance by phone is not going to make a difference (Google confirmed the ranting call was made my a phone number associated with a "Todd Glassley")[*] > Which further document's why its improper for you Paul to be giving people > legal advice here. Indeed. If I were to be giving legal advise, I would surely be charging $600/hour for that, instead of giving it away on public mailing lists. > The US Government issued the patent so they and six other > jurisdictions thought it was OK and there wasn't prior art preventing its > implementation. I'm a Dutch citizen working for a Canadian company. There are limits to what Canadians (who don't do software patents) allow to be jerked around with by the US. Remember RIM? I can see a connection between RIM disconnecting DC from coverage, and the USG's role into removing DNSSEC from .gov and .mil. It will be interesting indeed. > And yes Paul I can and will document how the patent pertains to DNSSEC and > any number of other processes which now use secured-location information as > part of their keying process for administering their practical security > policy. Excellent. I shall await that information. Untill then, I'm not spending more time on this matter. Paul [*] Either that, or by a comedian forging caller-id, though the latter seems less likely. _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop n between RIM disconnecting DC from coverage, and the USG's role into removing DNSSEC from .gov and .mil. It will be interesting indeed. > And yes Paul I can and will document how the patent pertains to DNSSEC and > any number of other processes which now use secured-location information as > part of their keying process for administering their practical security > policy. Excellent. I shall await that information. Untill then, I'm not spending more time on this matter. Paul [*] Either that, or by a comedian forging caller-id, though the latter seems less likely. _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 22:54:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949723A6864; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:54:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855C43A6803 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:54:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sejctjdFsUrC for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaun.rfc1035.com (shaun.rfc1035.com [195.54.233.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415BE3A6864 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-25-210.ripemtg.ripe.net (account jim [193.0.25.210] verified) by shaun.rfc1035.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.4) with ESMTPSA id 371224; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:54:38 +0000 From: Jim Reid To: TS Glassey In-Reply-To: <003901c9388a$c8de6470$6401a8c0@tsg1> X-Priority: 3 References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com><002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1><20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> <003901c9388a$c8de6470$6401a8c0@tsg1> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:53:32 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: "dnsop@ietf.org WG" Subject: [DNSOP] childishness and more patents bullshit X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Oct 27, 2008, at 23:21, TS Glassey wrote: > Which further document's why its improper for you Paul to be giving > people legal advice here. The US Government issued the patent so > they and six other jurisdictions thought it was OK and there wasn't > prior art preventing its implementation. People get patents for all sorts of stupid nonsense. That doesn't mean their patent stands up or is in any way enforceable, even in the jurisdiction where the patent was granted. That's something for the patent lawyers and the courts to decide. There's no point debating this any further here. Please take this childish "my patent's better than your internet draft" name-calling somewhere else. _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 22:54:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949723A6864; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:54:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855C43A6803 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:54:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sejctjdFsUrC for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaun.rfc1035.com (shaun.rfc1035.com [195.54.233.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415BE3A6864 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-25-210.ripemtg.ripe.net (account jim [193.0.25.210] verified) by shaun.rfc1035.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.4) with ESMTPSA id 371224; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:54:38 +0000 From: Jim Reid To: TS Glassey In-Reply-To: <003901c9388a$c8de6470$6401a8c0@tsg1> X-Priority: 3 References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com><002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1><20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> <003901c9388a$c8de6470$6401a8c0@tsg1> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:53:32 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: "dnsop@ietf.org WG" Subject: [DNSOP] childishness and more patents bullshit X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Oct 27, 2008, at 23:21, TS Glassey wrote: > Which further document's why its improper for you Paul to be giving > people legal advice here. The US Government issued the patent so > they and six other jurisdictions thought it was OK and there wasn't > prior art preventing its implementation. People get patents for all sorts of stupid nonsense. That doesn't mean their patent stands up or is in any way enforceable, even in the jurisdiction where the patent was granted. That's something for the patent lawyers and the courts to decide. There's no point debating this any further here. Please take this childish "my patent's better than your internet draft" name-calling somewhere else. _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 29 13:57:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A54928C3C2; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:57:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB2B3A6B3A; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:57:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TQFmqooTyolT; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.enyo.de (mail.enyo.de [IPv6:2001:14b0:202:1::a7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89323A6930; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from deneb.vpn.enyo.de ([212.9.189.177] helo=deneb.enyo.de) by mail.enyo.de with esmtp id 1KvI63-0006fR-6m; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:56:55 +0100 Received: from fw by deneb.enyo.de with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KvI62-0003Lb-MV; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:56:54 +0100 From: Florian Weimer To: "TS Glassey" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> <00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:56:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: <00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> (TS Glassey's message of "Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:26:39 -0800") Message-ID: <87ej1zglwp.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org, bert hubert Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org * TS Glassey: > Be advised that the IETF process REQUIRES ME TO NOTICE THE IETF EACH > TIME SOMETHING IS PUBLISHED WHICH INFRINGES ON THE PATENT, per the > direct words of BCP78 and its supporting documents. So if you object > take it up with the IPR WG and the IESG for making it mandatory for me > to notify the IETF each time one of you does something to infringe on > our patent rights. Out of curiosity, why are you interested in contributing to the IETF, if you don't want to contribute anything you deem of value? The disclosure requirements only apply to IETF contributors. So if you stop contributing to the IETF, those requirements disappear. _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 29 13:57:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A54928C3C2; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:57:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB2B3A6B3A; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:57:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TQFmqooTyolT; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.enyo.de (mail.enyo.de [IPv6:2001:14b0:202:1::a7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89323A6930; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from deneb.vpn.enyo.de ([212.9.189.177] helo=deneb.enyo.de) by mail.enyo.de with esmtp id 1KvI63-0006fR-6m; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:56:55 +0100 Received: from fw by deneb.enyo.de with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KvI62-0003Lb-MV; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:56:54 +0100 From: Florian Weimer To: "TS Glassey" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> <00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:56:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: <00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> (TS Glassey's message of "Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:26:39 -0800") Message-ID: <87ej1zglwp.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org, bert hubert Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org * TS Glassey: > Be advised that the IETF process REQUIRES ME TO NOTICE THE IETF EACH > TIME SOMETHING IS PUBLISHED WHICH INFRINGES ON THE PATENT, per the > direct words of BCP78 and its supporting documents. So if you object > take it up with the IPR WG and the IESG for making it mandatory for me > to notify the IETF each time one of you does something to infringe on > our patent rights. Out of curiosity, why are you interested in contributing to the IETF, if you don't want to contribute anything you deem of value? The disclosure requirements only apply to IETF contributors. So if you stop contributing to the IETF, those requirements disappear. _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 29 14:12:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFD13A6D10; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:12:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75B83A6D10 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:12:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.463 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.463 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wDACauyCbwFy for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56923A6B0A for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([10.52.116.30]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id 5503620.18015734; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:11:56 -0500 Received: from PACDCEXCMB06.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.22]) by PAOAKEXCSMTP01.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:11:54 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:11:32 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45AEC6EF95942140888406588E1A660205B9E31F@PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [DNSOP] (Off-Topic) DNSSEC Technical Testing Thread-Index: Ackkt/vrXZ9GtSzhRd2qtxpvnx+UEAVUppqw References: <45AEC6EF95942140888406588E1A660205B9E31F@PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com> From: "Griffiths, Chris" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2008 21:11:54.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7F74070:01C93A0A] Subject: Re: [DNSOP] (Off-Topic) DNSSEC Technical Testing X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org We have enabled an additional DNSSEC enabled resolver on our production network which the community is free to test against. The IP address is 68.87.68.170 and further information can be found at www.dnssec.comcast.net. Thanks Chris Griffiths Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. >-----Original Message----- >From: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dnsop-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >Of Livingood, Jason >Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:55 PM >To: dnsop@ietf.org; namedroppers@ops.ietf.org >Subject: [DNSOP] (Off-Topic) DNSSEC Technical Testing > >Yesterday, we attended a DNSSEC policy meeting in Washington, where we >announced that we've started a DNSSEC technical trial at Comcast. We >tend to be rather hands-on learners, so we implemented a DNSSEC-capable >resolver in our production network. Anyone on the public Internet is >welcome to point to our server and test against it. Please contact us >if you'd like error logs (should you have problems), would like keys >added, or have other questions. > >The IP is 68.87.64.154, and trial info is available at info at >http://www.dnssec.comcast.net. We pFrom dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 29 14:12:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFD13A6D10; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:12:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75B83A6D10 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:12:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.463 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.463 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wDACauyCbwFy for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56923A6B0A for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([10.52.116.30]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id 5503620.18015734; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:11:56 -0500 Received: from PACDCEXCMB06.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.22]) by PAOAKEXCSMTP01.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:11:54 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:11:32 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45AEC6EF95942140888406588E1A660205B9E31F@PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [DNSOP] (Off-Topic) DNSSEC Technical Testing Thread-Index: Ackkt/vrXZ9GtSzhRd2qtxpvnx+UEAVUppqw References: <45AEC6EF95942140888406588E1A660205B9E31F@PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com> From: "Griffiths, Chris" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2008 21:11:54.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7F74070:01C93A0A] Subject: Re: [DNSOP] (Off-Topic) DNSSEC Technical Testing X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org We have enabled an additional DNSSEC enabled resolver on our production network which the community is free to test against. The IP address is 68.87.68.170 and further information can be found at www.dnssec.comcast.net. Thanks Chris Griffiths Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. >-----Original Message----- >From: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dnsop-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >Of Livingood, Jason >Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:55 PM >To: dnsop@ietf.org; namedroppers@ops.ietf.org >Subject: [DNSOP] (Off-Topic) DNSSEC Technical Testing > >Yesterday, we attended a DNSSEC policy meeting in Washington, where we >announced that we've started a DNSSEC technical trial at Comcast. We >tend to be rather hands-on learners, so we implemented a DNSSEC-capable >resolver in our production network. Anyone on the public Internet is >welcome to point to our server and test against it. Please contact us >if you'd like error logs (should you have problems), would like keys >added, or have other questions. > >The IP is 68.87.64.154, and trial info is available at info at >http://www.dnssec.comcast.net. We plalan to test Unbound, BIND, and >Nominum resolvers, and will share test results (before & after >activation/use of DNSSEC). We also plan to document what we experience >and issues we face, for the benefit of others in the community. > >Regards, >Jason > >Jason Livingood >National Engineering & Technical Operations >Comcast Cable Communications >_______________________________________________ >DNSOP mailing list >DNSOP@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop n to test Unbound, BIND, and >Nominum resolvers, and will share test results (before & after >activation/use of DNSSEC). We also plan to document what we experience >and issues we face, for the benefit of others in the community. > >Regards, >Jason > >Jason Livingood >National Engineering & Technical Operations >Comcast Cable Communications >_______________________________________________ >DNSOP mailing list >DNSOP@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 29 14:15:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84AE3A6D35; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:15:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DF728C3F5; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:15:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.034 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.034 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.564, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0E6SOaUgguh2; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC0528C3F4; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:15:05 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TDtEvQsr+awRWHZ4EszGgkRcbkhIHpFoM/LWswfhzje6kB+ELXH2p3i3IwU4HU1w; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.125.79.23] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KvINa-00004x-Cg; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:15:02 -0400 Message-ID: <021301c93a0b$86120930$2000a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "Florian Weimer" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com><002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1><20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl><00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> <87ej1zglwp.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:03:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7925ae24bd6996218896b6572484249581350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.125.79.23 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org, bert hubert Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Florian If you are asking me "why I am participating if I wont 'Give the IETF' my IP", the answer is I am formally protecting that IP and obeying the requirements that I inform the IETF of each new IPR infraction per the notice policy in place today. Todd Glassey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Weimer" To: "TS Glassey" Cc: "bert hubert" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 >* TS Glassey: > >> Be advised that the IETF process REQUIRES ME TO NOTICE THE IETF EACH >> TIME SOMETHING IS PUBLISHED WHICH INFRINGES ON THE PATENT, per the >> direct words of BCP78 and its supporting documents. So if you object >> take it up with the IPR WG and the IESG for making it mandatory for me >> to notify the IETF each time one of you does something to infringe on >> our patent rights. > > Out of curiosity, why are you interested in contributing to the IETF, > if you don't want to contribute anything you deem of value? > > The disclosure requirements only apply to IETF contributors. So if > you stop contributing to the IETF, those requirements disappear. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1754 - Release Date: 10/29/2008 7:45 AM _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 29 14:15:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84AE3A6D35; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:15:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DF728C3F5; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:15:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.034 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.034 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.564, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0E6SOaUgguh2; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC0528C3F4; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:15:05 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TDtEvQsr+awRWHZ4EszGgkRcbkhIHpFoM/LWswfhzje6kB+ELXH2p3i3IwU4HU1w; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.125.79.23] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KvINa-00004x-Cg; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:15:02 -0400 Message-ID: <021301c93a0b$86120930$2000a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "Florian Weimer" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com><002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1><20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl><00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> <87ej1zglwp.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:03:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7925ae24bd6996218896b6572484249581350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.125.79.23 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org, bert hubert Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Florian If you are asking me "why I am participating if I wont 'Give the IETF' my IP", the answer is I am formally protecting that IP and obeying the requirements that I inform the IETF of each new IPR infraction per the notice policy in place today. Todd Glassey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Weimer" To: "TS Glassey" Cc: "bert hubert" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 >* TS Glassey: > >> Be advised that the IETF process REQUIRES ME TO NOTICE THE IETF EACH >> TIME SOMETHING IS PUBLISHED WHICH INFRINGES ON THE PATENT, per the >> direct words of BCP78 and its supporting documents. So if you object >> take it up with the IPR WG and the IESG for making it mandatory for me >> to notify the IETF each time one of you does something to infringe on >> our patent rights. > > Out of curiosity, why are you interested in contributing to the IETF, > if you don't want to contribute anything you deem of value? > > The disclosure requirements only apply to IETF contributors. So if > you stop contributing to the IETF, those requirements disappear. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1754 - Release Date: 10/29/2008 7:45 AM _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 29 14:18:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365AD3A6D25; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:18:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53A93A6D25; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:18:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kcKs54CwBGtF; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.enyo.de (mail.enyo.de [IPv6:2001:14b0:202:1::a7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4F03A6B2D; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from deneb.vpn.enyo.de ([212.9.189.177] helo=deneb.enyo.de) by mail.enyo.de with esmtp id 1KvIRC-0007Dn-Iz; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:18:46 +0100 Received: from fw by deneb.enyo.de with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KvIRC-0003Rm-4P; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:18:46 +0100 From: Florian Weimer To: "TS Glassey" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> <00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> <87ej1zglwp.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <021301c93a0b$86120930$2000a8c0@tsg1> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:18:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <021301c93a0b$86120930$2000a8c0@tsg1> (TS Glassey's message of "Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:03:56 -0700") Message-ID: <8763nbgkw9.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org, bert hubert Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org * TS Glassey: > Florian > If you are asking me "why I am participating if I wont 'Give the IETF' > my IP", the answer is I am formally protecting that IP and obeying the > requirements that I inform the IETF of each new IPR infraction per the > notice policy in place today. This requirement is only created by your continued contributions to the IETF. The IETF hasn't got any power to force you to do anything, as long as you leave it alone. Once you start contributing in some way or other, it's different. So simply stop contributing. Problem solved. _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 29 14:18:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365AD3A6D25; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:18:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53A93A6D25; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:18:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kcKs54CwBGtF; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.enyo.de (mail.enyo.de [IPv6:2001:14b0:202:1::a7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4F03A6B2D; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from deneb.vpn.enyo.de ([212.9.189.177] helo=deneb.enyo.de) by mail.enyo.de with esmtp id 1KvIRC-0007Dn-Iz; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:18:46 +0100 Received: from fw by deneb.enyo.de with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KvIRC-0003Rm-4P; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:18:46 +0100 From: Florian Weimer To: "TS Glassey" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com> <002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1> <20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl> <00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1> <87ej1zglwp.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <021301c93a0b$86120930$2000a8c0@tsg1> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:18:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <021301c93a0b$86120930$2000a8c0@tsg1> (TS Glassey's message of "Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:03:56 -0700") Message-ID: <8763nbgkw9.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org, bert hubert Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org * TS Glassey: > Florian > If you are asking me "why I am participating if I wont 'Give the IETF' > my IP", the answer is I am formally protecting that IP and obeying the > requirements that I inform the IETF of each new IPR infraction per the > notice policy in place today. This requirement is only created by your continued contributions to the IETF. The IETF hasn't got any power to force you to do anything, as long as you leave it alone. Once you start contributing in some way or other, it's different. So simply stop contributing. Problem solved. _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 29 14:25:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49EA28C3FC; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:25:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A968428C3EC; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:25:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.105 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.105 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.493, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zj88T8znYAOh; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C557928C0FB; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:25:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=MZ574/Q/SZPBzpaVGLbLUDv4A711dk9JIUk77AREWVyTQJ/TNUT8JSDgDrZMJcV+; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.125.79.23] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KvIX0-0000tW-Um; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:24:47 -0400 Message-ID: <024d01c93a0c$e256aec0$2000a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "Florian Weimer" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com><002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1><20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl><00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1><87ej1zglwp.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de><021301c93a0b$86120930$2000a8c0@tsg1> <8763nbgkw9.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:25:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7998e9927841edacf260fbc4fdf1912d0d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.125.79.23 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org, bert hubert Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org No Florian - the requirement is created by the IETF's continued violation of the IPR space that the patent creates period. Once people stop filing infringing works with the IETF and violating my IP Rights then this matter will be closed right? Todd Glassey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Weimer" To: "TS Glassey" Cc: "bert hubert" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 >* TS Glassey: > >> Florian >> If you are asking me "why I am participating if I wont 'Give the IETF' >> my IP", the answer is I am formally protecting that IP and obeying the >> requirements that I inform the IETF of each new IPR infraction per the >> notice policy in place today. > > This requirement is only created by your continued contributions to > the IETF. The IETF hasn't got any power to force you to do anything, > as long as you leave it alone. Once you start contributing in some > way or other, it's different. > > So simply stop contributing. Problem solved. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1754 - Release Date: 10/29/2008 7:45 AM _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 29 14:25:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49EA28C3FC; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:25:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A968428C3EC; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:25:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.105 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.105 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.493, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zj88T8znYAOh; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C557928C0FB; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:25:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=MZ574/Q/SZPBzpaVGLbLUDv4A711dk9JIUk77AREWVyTQJ/TNUT8JSDgDrZMJcV+; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.125.79.23] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KvIX0-0000tW-Um; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:24:47 -0400 Message-ID: <024d01c93a0c$e256aec0$2000a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "Florian Weimer" References: <20081027160900.95AD33A6A0E@core3.amsl.com><002f01c950c6$477eaa80$2000a8c0@tsg1><20081027191110.GA10670@outpost.ds9a.nl><00a701c950ce$d43e0850$2000a8c0@tsg1><87ej1zglwp.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de><021301c93a0b$86120930$2000a8c0@tsg1> <8763nbgkw9.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:25:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7998e9927841edacf260fbc4fdf1912d0d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.125.79.23 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org, bert hubert Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org No Florian - the requirement is created by the IETF's continued violation of the IPR space that the patent creates period. Once people stop filing infringing works with the IETF and violating my IP Rights then this matter will be closed right? Todd Glassey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Weimer" To: "TS Glassey" Cc: "bert hubert" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 >* TS Glassey: > >> Florian >> If you are asking me "why I am participating if I wont 'Give the IETF' >> my IP", the answer is I am formally protecting that IP and obeying the >> requirements that I inform the IETF of each new IPR infraction per the >> notice policy in place today. > > This requirement is only created by your continued contributions to > the IETF. The IETF hasn't got any power to force you to do anything, > as long as you leave it alone. Once you start contributing in some > way or other, it's different. > > So simply stop contributing. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1754 - Release Date: 10/29/2008 7:45 AM _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 29 22:43:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50253A68CE; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F933A68C1; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:43:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.505 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.505 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.744, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bIn0bw1lRg+7; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B143A68A7; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KvQJ0-0006r5-N2; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:42:50 +0100 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1KvQH5-0006ys-BN; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:40:51 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:40:51 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: TS Glassey , Florian Weimer Message-ID: <20081030054051.GA26376@x27.adm.denic.de> References: <8763nbgkw9.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <024d01c93a0c$e256aec0$2000a8c0@tsg1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <024d01c93a0c$e256aec0$2000a8c0@tsg1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: IETF DNSOP WG Subject: [DNSOP] /admin/ Re: draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Todd, Florian, All, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 02:25:21PM -0700, TS Glassey wrote: > No Florian - the requirement is created by the IETF's continued violation > of the IPR space that the patent creates period. Once people stop filing > infringing works with the IETF and violating my IP Rights then this matter > will be closed right? I fail to see how this discussion could be appropriately continued on the DNSOP WG's mailing list. Please reread Rob's earlier note and take this off-line. -Peter [co-chair hat on] _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 29 22:43:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50253A68CE; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F933A68C1; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:43:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.505 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.505 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.744, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bIn0bw1lRg+7; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B143A68A7; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KvQJ0-0006r5-N2; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:42:50 +0100 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1KvQH5-0006ys-BN; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:40:51 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:40:51 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: TS Glassey , Florian Weimer Message-ID: <20081030054051.GA26376@x27.adm.denic.de> References: <8763nbgkw9.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <024d01c93a0c$e256aec0$2000a8c0@tsg1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <024d01c93a0c$e256aec0$2000a8c0@tsg1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: IETF DNSOP WG Subject: [DNSOP] /admin/ Re: draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Todd, Florian, All, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 02:25:21PM -0700, TS Glassey wrote: > No Florian - the requirement is created by the IETF's continued violation > of the IPR space that the patent creates period. Once people stop filing > infringing works with the IETF and violating my IP Rights then this matter > will be closed right? I fail to see how this discussion could be appropriately continued on the DNSOP WG's mailing list. Please reread Rob's earlier note and take this off-line. -Peter [co-chair hat on] _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop