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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6123C.0E117280-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Jan 05 12:14:34 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuYh8-0006fa-1y for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:14:34 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA11956 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:13:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E81C4300EF for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:14:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg-mail.tigertech.net (zoidberg-mail.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EB8430063 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F96739805D for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate5.mot.com (motgate5.mot.com [144.189.100.105]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E1C398050 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:14:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from az33exr01.mot.com (az33exr01.mot.com [10.64.251.231]) by motgate5.mot.com (8.12.11/Motgate5) with ESMTP id k05HNekE004630 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:23:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm70.ds.mot.com (de01exm70.am.mot.com [10.176.8.26]) by az33exr01.mot.com (8.13.5/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k05HUItf025168 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:30:19 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] issue: distributed authenticators (review of eap-keying-08 by mats naslund) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:12:55 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] issue: distributed authenticators (review of eap-keying-08 by mats naslund) Thread-Index: AcX2OE+nrqfXADKzR2KyVAsVX3AZSAb4eBLA From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: "Jari Arkko" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Mats_N=E4slund_=28KI/EAB=29=22?= X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mats, These are the exact types of issues we are trying to address in HOAKEY = "group". You have a BS that does not necessarily have pass-through authenticator = or even AAA client functionality, but terminates the link encryption = (802.16e) in your case and this means TSKs that are established between = peer and authenticator are not relevant for access link. We started to = introduce a new term link session key (LSK) for that purpose in our = initial PS draft. Looking at the definition of LSK in the initial PS = draft=20 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nakhjiri-aaa-hokey-ps-00.txt I think that definition also needs to be revised. But the point is that = the draft is trying to address the issues with using EAP keying = terminology and methodology for design of handover key management. The PMK is also confusing, and I think it is only mentioned because = 802.11 uses it. Madjid Transient Session Keys (TSKs) Session keys used to protect data exchanged in a session between the peer and authenticator after the EAP authentication has successfully completed. TSKs are appropriate for the lower layer ciphersuite negotiated between the ports of the EAP peer and authenticator. Examples of TSK derivation are provided in Appendix B. MN: Here I have some trouble... This seems to mandate that protection = (on the network side) MUST be terminated in the authenticator. In WiMAX, the authenticator is in the AGW, but the session protection is = in the BS. I.e. it is not clear why both PMK and TSK should be shared between the = same two entities... Doesn't one shared key suufice? TSKs are permitted to be accessed only by the EAP peer and authenticator. Since the TSKs can be determined from the transported MN: does this imply that the authenticator always needs to be in the = "base station"? (since the base station will know TSKs) _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Jan 05 12:24:19 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuYqZ-0003I5-1R for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:24:19 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA13384 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:23:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E09043012E for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:24:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg-mail.tigertech.net (zoidberg-mail.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EF3430063 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC93398041 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate7.mot.com (motgate7.mot.com [129.188.136.7]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B4B398050 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from az33exr04.mot.com ([10.64.251.234]) by motgate7.mot.com (8.12.11/Motgate7) with ESMTP id k05HoHHB025523 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:50:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm70.ds.mot.com (de01exm70.am.mot.com [10.176.8.26]) by az33exr04.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k05HWbZG013346 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:32:38 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] issue: key separation (review of eap-keying-08 by matsnaslund) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:22:48 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] issue: key separation (review of eap-keying-08 by matsnaslund) Thread-Index: AcX2OL0h3iPbPajPQFi/8ydSEUV3JQb419UA From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: "Jari Arkko" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Mats_N=E4slund_=28KI/EAB=29=22?= X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Question:=20 Say, I have a local key distribution center (LKDC) within the network = that can receive the MSK or something similar from the AAA/EAP server = and generate other keys (say for handover). I am guessing the = requirement below mean this LKDC has to be a AAA client or even more = specific a collocated AAA client/ pass-through authenticator? so that = the AAA layer receives the MSK? -----Original Message----- From: Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:33 PM To: eap@frascone.com Cc: "Mats N=E4slund (KI/EAB)" Subject: [eap] issue: key separation (review of eap-keying-08 by = matsnaslund) Submitter name: Mats Naslund Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com Reference: (this email) Document: Keying Framework Comment type: T Priority: 1 Section: multiple Rationale/Explanation of issue: In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, lower layers other than AAA MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP methods. This implies that EAP keying material or parameters passed down to a lower layer are for the exclusive use of that lower layer and MUST NOT be used within another lower layer. This prevents compromise of one lower layer from compromising other applications using EAP keying parameters. MN: I guess this is "key separation"... But if this is a MUST = requirement, why not here standardize a way to do it? I.e. lower_layer_key =3D f(MSK, layer_ID). In order to provide method independence, key management of exported or derived keys SHOULD NOT be provided within EAP methods. MN: does this exclude that EAP can provide key separation? Since neither EAP nor EAP methods provide key management support, it is RECOMMENDED that key management facilities be provided within the Secure Association Protocol. This includes: MN: But if the MSK is always sent to the SA protocol, it really does not = help if the SA protocol does e.g. key separation. Compromise of the = "entity" hosting the SA protocol would still compromise the MSK. I guess = I am asking: is there a "middle layer" missing, between EAP and the SA = procotol that takes care of key separation? _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Jan 05 12:41:07 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuZ6o-0007eW-Rc for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:41:07 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA15649 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94909430157 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:41:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg-mail.tigertech.net (zoidberg-mail.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D9E430063 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610F439805A for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B064398041 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from az33exr04.mot.com (az33exr04.mot.com [10.64.251.234]) by motgate.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate) with ESMTP id k05HeZc9016261 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:40:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm70.ds.mot.com (de01exm70.am.mot.com [10.176.8.26]) by az33exr04.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k05HnKlZ024346 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:49:20 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP keying material Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:39:30 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP keying material Thread-Index: AcX3DfIz+oZBx+loQNKTKD/HsBaIlQbD7tzg From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: "Bernard Aboba" , , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let me see if I understand this. Peer--------authenticator-----------EAP server AAA client------AAA server=20 The way I understand it, the authenticator is simply a pass-through, so it is visible to the peer according the EAP documentation, so the peer knows the authenticator ID. The authenticator does not really have to have AAA functionality to assist EAP, does it. It is the really the AAA client that encapsulates the EAP signaling into AAA protocol Since AAA function is really not visible to the peer, the AAA client does not have to be visible to the peer. The AAA client is the entity that deals with AAA server and hence receives the transported EAP keying material (not the authenticator, right?). The "co-resident" requirement seems to only serve the purpose of fixing the channel binding issue, since the peer sees the authenticator, while the server sees the AAA client. I think this limits the usage of EAP keying. If I have a key distribution center that wants to say do handover keying and if I want the KDC to receive the master keys from EAP server, it means KDC must be a AAA client and the above requirement means a KDC cannot be geographically separate from the authenticator. All this because we are trying to solve the channel binding problem?? Any comments? Madjid=20 -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:59 AM To: jsalowey@cisco.com; eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP keying material I think the issue here is similar to the one brought up in Issue 313. An EAP authenticator may be constructed in a variety of ways. Whether the authenticator has multiple ports or a single port, involves multiple CPUs or a single CPU, or even is constructed using lightweight APs and a WLAN switch is not relevant to EAP. For EAP purposes, an Authenticator is an entity that identifies itself with a single authenticator identity, both within the lower layer as well as in AAA. Neither the EAP peer nor the AAA server care about the details of how the authenticator is constructed, and neither should this document. So when the document says that the "Authenticator and AAA cilent are co-resident" it means that both the Authenticator and AAA client share the same authenticator identity. This is required, because if it were not true then Channel Bindings would fail to verify. That's probably all we can or should say on this subject. >From: "Salowey, Joe" >To: >Subject: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP keying material >Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:14:01 -0800 > >Submitter name: Joe Salowey >Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com Date first submitted:=20 >12/1/2005 >Reference: >Document: Keying Framework >Comment type: 'T'echnical >Priority: '1' Should fix >Section: 2.2 >Rationale/Explanation of issue: > >The document states > >"In order to prevent the compromise of > transported EAP keying material and parameters, the AAA client and > EAP authenticator MUST be co-resident." > >It could be possible for the EAP authenticator to use another secure=20 >protocol other than a AAA protocol to transport EAP key material. > >Requested change: > >"In order to prevent the compromise of > transported EAP keying material and parameters they MUST be=20 >securely transmitted from the entity that hosts the EAP server to the=20 >entity that hosts the EAP authenticator and makes use of the key material." >_________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Jan 05 12:42:35 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuZ8F-0000jt-GP for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:42:35 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA15847 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:41:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C6A430167 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:42:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from he84-x.tigertech.net (he84-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.84]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECAB0430063 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:41:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB73780C11E for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:41:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate8.mot.com (motgate8.mot.com [129.188.136.8]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFE080C108 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:41:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from il06exr04.mot.com (il06exr04.mot.com [129.188.137.134]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motgate7) with ESMTP id k05Htd09020506 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:55:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm70.ds.mot.com (de01exm70.am.mot.com [10.176.8.26]) by il06exr04.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k05HqB6r000814 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:52:11 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP keying material Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:40:44 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP keying material Thread-Index: AcX2zBeFJwaHrbEUS9m8U0pL+tnmrAbUvdoQ From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: "Salowey, Joe" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't see how the proposed change makes anything any different?=20 -----Original Message----- From: Salowey, Joe [mailto:jsalowey@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 5:14 PM To: eap@frascone.com Subject: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP keying material Submitter name: Joe Salowey Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com Date first submitted: 12/1/2005 Reference: Document: Keying Framework Comment type: 'T'echnical Priority: '1' Should fix Section: 2.2 Rationale/Explanation of issue: The document states=20 "In order to prevent the compromise of transported EAP keying material and parameters, the AAA client and EAP authenticator MUST be co-resident." It could be possible for the EAP authenticator to use another secure protocol other than a AAA protocol to transport EAP key material. =20 Requested change: "In order to prevent the compromise of transported EAP keying material and parameters they MUST be securely transmitted from the entity that hosts the EAP server to the entity that hosts the EAP authenticator and makes use of the key material." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From clevelandoffroad@aast-sailing.com Thu Jan 05 18:43:36 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Euelc-00012h-S5 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:43:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA11822 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpe-071-068-110-133.carolina.res.rr.com ([71.68.110.133] helo=localhost) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuerK-0003sF-VJ for eap-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:49:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c6127b$e6da9580$0100007f@localhost> From: "Seth Cooper" To: Subject: Need S0ftware? 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My recommendation is that the request be DENIED. A specification for EAP MAKE was first posted to the IETF archive on September 17, 2001 by Romain Berrendonner and Herve Chabanne of SAGEM SA. This specification describes two exchanges, one known as MAKE1 and another one, described as MAKE2: http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-berrendo-chabanne-pppext-eapmake-00.txt The EAP MAKE Specification was subsequently revised: http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-berrendo-chabanne-pppext-eapmake-01.txt Subsequently, IANA allocated EAP Type Code 27 for EAP MAKE on the request of Mr. Romain Berrendonner: http://www.iana.org/assignments/eap-numbers Given that a Type Code has already been allocated to EAP MAKE, a request for an additional Type Code allocation for the same protocol would represent a "block allocation" as described in RFC 3748, Section 6.2: Allocation of blocks of method Types (more than one for a given purpose) should require IETF Consensus. Given that EAP MAKE has not gone through an IETF consensus determination, this requirement has not been met, and the recommendation is that the request be DENIED. Note: Requesting allocation of IANA parameters for a protocol with the same name as one with a completed or outstanding IANA request is inherently problematic. Such a request, if granted, is likely to cause confusion among implementers and users, and so such requests are to be discouraged. Possible points of confusion include: a. Confusion about which protocol parameters are to be used for implementation with which protocol version. The IANA allocation web page for EAP Type Codes does not reference the protocol specification, only the protocol name, the Type Code and the name of the requester. b. Confusion with respect to application of IANA allocation policies. If the protcols in question are on different tracks (Informational vs. Experimental or Standards Track) it is possible that a request may receive an allocation originally intended for another protocol using the same name, but attaining a different status. This would enable a non-standards track protocol to steal the name and protocol allocation of a standards track protocol. c. Confusion with respect to implementations. In addition to referring to RFCs, users often refer to protocols by name. Allowing two protocols to utilize the same name creates the potential for confusion about which protocol is being implemented, potentially resulting in confusion between vendors and customers, as well as interoperability problems in the field. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From alchemyguild@cix.co.uk Sun Jan 08 00:33:59 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvTBm-0000tL-Rc for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:33:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA00488 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpe-72-128-113-200.wi.res.rr.com ([72.128.113.200]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvTI0-00026r-H5 for eap-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:40:25 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 5:34: 7 +0480 From: "Leah Tomlinson" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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Please click below and check out our offer. http://dij.vugij.info/?dbF2aab9ef9923ba2d84bd10992f1945 From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sun Jan 08 13:26:19 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvfFD-0006dC-Qd for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:26:19 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10250 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33608430126 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg-mail.tigertech.net (zoidberg-mail.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497A343006D for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB2A39804D for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f29.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.39]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844D8398024 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:25:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:25:55 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:25:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.38.139.227] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:25:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 18:25:55.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6A3FEF0:01C61480] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Isue 310: Definitions X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com The text of Issue 310 is available here: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20310 The Proposed Resolution is as follows: In Section 1.2, change the definition of PMK to the following: Pairwise Master Key (PMK) Lower layers use MSK in lower-layer dependent manner. For instance, in [IEEE-802.11i] Octets 0-31 of the MSK are known as the Pairwise Master Key (PMK). In [IEEE-802.11i] the TKIP and AES CCMP ciphersuites derive their Transient Session Keys (TSKs) solely from the PMK, whereas the WEP ciphersuite as noted in [RFC3580], derives its TSKs from both halves of the MSK. In [802.16e], the MSK is truncated to 40 octets for PMK and 20 octets for PMK2. Change the term "AAA server" to "backend authentication server" throughout the document. In Appendix A, change: " [RFC2716] specifies that the MSK is divided into two halves, corresponding to the "Peer to Authenticator Encryption Key" (Enc- RECV-Key, 32 octets, also known as the PMK) and "Authenticator to Peer Encryption Key" (Enc-SEND-Key, 32 octets). In [RFC2548], the Enc-RECV-Key (the PMK) is transported in the MS-MPPE-Recv-Key attribute, and the Enc-SEND-Key is transported in the MS-MPPE-Send- Key attribute." To: " [RFC2716] specifies that the MSK is divided into two halves, corresponding to the "Peer to Authenticator Encryption Key" (Enc- RECV-Key, 32 octets) and "Authenticator to Peer Encryption Key" (Enc-SEND-Key, 32 octets). In [RFC2548], the Enc-RECV-Key is transported in the MS-MPPE-Recv-Key attribute, and the Enc-SEND-Key is transported in the MS-MPPE-Send- Key attribute." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sun Jan 08 13:27:24 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvfGG-0006mM-A7 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:27:24 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10315 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FDA430073 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg-mail.tigertech.net (zoidberg-mail.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196BD43006D for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C97739804D for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from omc2-s30.bay6.hotmail.com (omc2-s30.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.249.40]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3942C398024 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:27:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.42]) by omc2-s30.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:27:05 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:27:04 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:27:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.38.139.227] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:27:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 18:27:04.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FF7FB80:01C61481] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 311: EAP and Authorization X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com The text of Issue 311 is available here: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20311 The proposed resolution is as follows: In Section 1.3, change: " The EAP server also stores the peer's identity and/or other information necessary to decide whether access to some service should be granted. The peer stores information necessary to choose which secret to use for which service. If authentication is based on proof of possession of the private key corresponding to the public key contained within a certificate, the parties store the EAP method to be used and the trust anchors used to validate the certificates. The EAP server also stores the peer's identity and/or other information necessary to decide whether access to some service should be granted. The peer stores information necessary to choose which certificate to use for which service." To: "The EAP server also stores the peer's identity as well as other information associated with it. This information may be used to determine whether access to some service should be granted. The peer stores information necessary to choose which secret to use for which service. If authentication is based on proof of possession of the private key corresponding to the public key contained within a certificate, the parties store the EAP method to be used and the trust anchors used to validate the certificates. The EAP server also stores the peer's identity and the peer stores information necessary to choose which certificate to use for which service." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sun Jan 08 13:28:33 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvfHN-00076i-80 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:28:33 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10388 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26AF94300FE for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:28:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from he84-x.tigertech.net (he84-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.84]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B9143006D for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4C080C0FC for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f10.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.20]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E270080C0EA for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:28:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:28:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:28:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.38.139.227] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:28:16 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 18:28:16.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[4AF03230:01C61481] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 312: Editorial Review X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com The text of Issue 312 is available here: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20312 The proposed resolution is as follows: In the Abstract, change: " The Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP), defined in [RFC3748], enables extensible network access authentication. This document provides a framework for the generation, transport and usage of keying material generated by EAP authentication algorithms, known as "methods". It also specifies the EAP key hierarchy." To: " The Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP), defined in [RFC3748], enables extensible network access authentication. This document provides a framework for the transport and usage of keying material generated by EAP authentication algorithms, known as "methods". It also specifies the EAP key hierarchy." In Section 1, change: " This document provides a framework for the generation, transport and usage of keying material generated by EAP authentication algorithms, known as "methods". In EAP keying material is generated by EAP methods. Part of this keying material may be used by EAP methods themselves and part of this material may be exported. The exported keying material may be transported by AAA protocols or transformed by Secure Association Protocols into session keys which are used by lower layer ciphersuites. This document describes each of these elements and provides a system-level security analysis. It also specifies the EAP key hierarchy." To: " This document provides a framework for the transport and usage of keying material generated by EAP authentication algorithms, known as "methods". In EAP, keying material is generated by EAP methods. Part of this keying material may be used by EAP methods themselves and part of this material may be exported. The exported keying material may be transported by AAA protocols or used by Secure Association Protocols in the generation or transport of session keys which are used by lower layer ciphersuites. This document describes each of these elements and provides a system-level security analysis. It also specifies the EAP key hierarchy." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sun Jan 08 13:29:55 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvfIh-0007JS-ON for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:29:55 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10450 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:28:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAC74300BC for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:29:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from he84-x.tigertech.net (he84-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.84]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171D243006D for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:29:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE08580C0FB for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:29:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f24.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.34]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114B280C0FC for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:29:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:29:35 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:29:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.38.139.227] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:29:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 18:29:35.0864 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A1C2780:01C61481] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution of Issue 313: Distributed Authenticators X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com The text of Issue 313 is available here: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20313 The proposed resolution is as follows: In Section 1.2, change the definition of Transient Session Keys to the following: Transient Session Keys (TSKs) Session keys used to protect data exchanged after EAP authentication has successfully completed, using the ciphersuite negotiated between the EAP peer and authenticator. In Section 2.4.1, delete the following text: " AAA protocols such as RADIUS [RFC3579] and Diameter [RFC4072] provide a mechanism for the identification of AAA clients; since the EAP authenticator and AAA client are always co-resident, this mechanism can be applied to the identification of EAP authenticators. RADIUS requires that an Access-Request packet contain one or more of the NAS-Identifier, NAS-IP-Address and NAS-IPv6-Address attributes. Since a NAS may have more than one IP address associated with it, the NAS-Identifier attribute is RECOMMENDED for the unambiguous identification of the EAP authenticator. From the point of view of the AAA server, EAP keying material and parameters are transported to the NAS identified by the NAS- Identifier attribute. Since the NAS/ EAP authenticator MUST NOT share EAP keying material or parameters with another party, if the EAP peer or AAA server detects use of EAP keying material and parameters outside the scope defined by the NAS-Identifier, the keying material MUST be considered compromised." Insert a new Section prior to Section 2.4.2, including the following text: 2.4.2 Authenticator Architecture "The EAP method conversation is between the EAP peer and server, as identified by the Peer-ID and Server-ID. The authenticator identity, if considered at all by the EAP method, is treated as an opaque blob for the purposes of Channel bindings. However, the Secure Association Protocol conversation is between the peer and the authenticator, and therefore the authenticator and peer identities are relevant to that exchange, and define the scope of use of the EAP keying material passed down to the lower layer. Since an authenticator may have many ports, the authenticator identifier used within the Secure Association Protocol exchange SHOULD be distinct from any port identifier (e.g. MAC address). Similarly, where a peer may have multiple ports, and sharing of EAP keying material and parameters between peer ports of the same link type is allowed, the peer identifier used within the Secure Association Protocol exchange SHOULD also be distinct from any port identifier. While EAP Keying Material passed down to the lower layer is not intrinsically bound to particular authenticator and peer ports, Transient Session Keys MAY be bound to particular authenticator and peer ports by the Secure Association Protocol. However, a lower layer MAY also permit TSKs to be used on multiple peer and/or authenticator ports, providing that TSK freshness is guaranteed (such as by keeping replay counter state within the authenticator). This specification does not impose constraints on the architecture of the EAP authenticator or peer. Any of the authenticator architectures described in [RFC4118] can be used. For example, it is possible for multiple base stations and a "controller" (e.g. WLAN switch) to comprise a single EAP authenticator. In such a situation, the "base station identity" is irrelevant to the EAP method conversation, except perhaps as an opaque blob to be used in Channel Bindings. Many base stations can share the same authenticator identity. AAA protocols such as RADIUS [RFC3579] and Diameter [RFC4072] provide a mechanism for the identification of AAA clients; since the EAP authenticator and AAA client are always co-resident, this mechanism is applicable to the identification of EAP authenticators. RADIUS [RFC2865] requires that an Access-Request packet contain one or more of the NAS-Identifier, NAS-IP-Address and NAS-IPv6-Address attributes. Since a NAS may have more than one IP address, the NAS-Identifier attribute is RECOMMENDED for the unambiguous identification of the EAP authenticator. >From the point of view of the AAA server, EAP keying material and parameters are transported to the EAP authenticator identified by the NAS-Identifier attribute. Since an EAP authenticator MUST NOT share EAP keying material or parameters with another party, if the EAP peer or AAA server detects use of EAP keying material and parameters outside the scope defined by the NAS-Identifier, the keying material MUST be considered compromised." Add to the Informative References: [RFC4118] Yang, L., Zerfos, P. and E. Sadot, "Architecture Taxonomy for Control and Provisioning of Wireless Access Points (CAPWAP)", RFC 4118, June 2005 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sun Jan 08 13:31:25 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvfK9-0007fJ-Rl for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:31:25 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10528 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC56430104 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:31:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from he84-x.tigertech.net (he84-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.84]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71E443006D for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:31:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D980A80C0FB for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:31:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f9.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515C080C0EA for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:31:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:31:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:31:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.38.139.227] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:31:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 18:31:06.0098 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFE4C520:01C61481] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 314: AAA-Key Confusion X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com The text of Issue 314 is available here: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20314 The Proposed Resolution is as follows: In Section 1.2, change: "AAA-Key A key derived by the peer and EAP server, used by the peer and authenticator in the derivation of Transient Session Keys (TSKs). Where a backend authentication server is present, the AAA-Key is transported from the backend authentication server to the authenticator. In existing usage, the AAA-Key is always derived from the MSK and so can be referred to using the MSK name. AAA-Key = MSK(0,63)." To: "AAA-Key The term "AAA-Key" is synonymous with MSK." In Section 2.1, change: " An additional step (phase 1b) is required in deployments which include a backend authentication server, in order to transport keying material from the backend authentication server to the authenticator. In order to obey the principle of Mode Independence, where a backend server is present AAA Key transport needs to provide the exported EAP keying material and/or derived keys required for derivation of the TSKs. Since existing TSK derivation techniques depend solely on the MSK, in existing AAA implementations, this is the only keying material replicated in the AAA key transport phase 1b. " To: " An additional step (phase 1b) is required in deployments which include a backend authentication server, in order to transport keying material from the backend authentication server to the authenticator. In order to obey the principle of Mode Independence, where a backend server is present, all keying material which us required by the lower layer needs to be transported from the EAP server to the authenticator. Since existing TSK derivation techniques depend solely on the MSK, in existing implementations, this is the only keying material replicated in the AAA key transport phase 1b. " _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sun Jan 08 13:32:23 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvfL5-0007po-7B for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:32:23 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10579 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBEA43011B for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:32:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from he84-x.tigertech.net (he84-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.84]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C5143007C for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75A780C0FB for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f6.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.16]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D3080C0EA for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:32:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:32:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.38.139.227] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:32:06 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 18:32:06.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[D416F990:01C61481] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 315: Ciphersuites and Key Lengths X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com The text of Issue 315 is available here: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20315 The proposed resolution is as follows: Within Section 1.4.4 change: " Ciphersuite Independence is a consequence of the principles of Mode Independence and Media Independence." To: "Ciphersuite Independence is a requirement for Media Independence. Since lower layer ciphersuites vary between media, media independence requires that EAP keying material needs to be large enough (with sufficient entropy) to handle any ciphersuite." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sun Jan 08 13:34:15 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvfMt-0008Dt-DR for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:34:15 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10655 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:32:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D027430106 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:34:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1CFA4300A7 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2671398049 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:34:03 -0800 (PST) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 00:01:01 ago Received: from hotmail.com (unknown [65.54.161.27]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3167A398007 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:34:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:33:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:32:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.38.139.227] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:32:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 18:33:00.0329 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3FB0990:01C61481] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 316: Counter Length X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com The text of Issue 316 is available here: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20316 The Proposed Resolution is as follows: The proposed resolution is as follows: In Section 5.8, change: "Lower Layer The lower layer Secure Association Protocol MUST generate a fresh session key for each session, even if the keying material and parameters provided by EAP methods are cached, or the peer or authenticator lacks a high entropy random number generator. A RECOMMENDED method is for the peer and authenticator to each provide a nonce or counter of at least 128 bits, used in session key derivation. " To: "Lower Layer The lower layer Secure Association Protocol MUST generate a fresh session key for each session, even if the keying material and parameters provided by EAP methods are cached, or the peer or authenticator lack a high entropy random number generator. A RECOMMENDED method is for the peer and authenticator to each provide a nonce or counter used in session key derivation. If a nonce is used, it is RECOMMENDED that it be at least 128 bits." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sun Jan 08 13:35:08 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvfNi-0008Hx-T1 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:35:08 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10677 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3C143011B for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:35:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from he84-x.tigertech.net (he84-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.84]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8C8430118 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A0680C0FC for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f33.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.43]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E5380C0EA for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:34:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:34:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.38.139.227] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:34:23 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 18:34:23.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[25B3C440:01C61482] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution to issue 318: Transient Session Keys X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com The text of Issue 318 is enclosed below. The proposed resolution is to accept the proposed changes. Issue 318: Transient Session Keys Submitter name: Bernard Aboba Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com Date Submitted: November 30, 2005 Reference: Document: Keying-08 Comment type: T Priority: S Section: 2.3 Rationale/Explanation of issue: There is no section of the document that talks directly about generation of transient session keys. Here is a suggested rewrite of Section 2.3: 2.3 Transient Session Keys Existing EAP lower layers handle the caching of EAP keying material and the generation of transient session keys in different ways: PPP PPP, defined in [RFC1661] does not support caching of EAP keying material or parameters. PPP ciphersuites derive their TSKs directly from the MSK, as described in [RFC2716]. This method is NOT RECOMMENDED, since were PPP to support caching, this could result in stale TSKs. As a result, once the PPP session is terminated, EAP keying material and parameters MUST be discarded. Since caching of EAP keying material is not permitted, within PPP there is no way to handle TSK rekey without EAP re-authentication. Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS) is only possible within PPP if the negotiated EAP method supports this. IKEv2 IKEv2, defined in [IKEv2] only uses EAP keying material for authentication purposes and not key derivation. As a result, the keying material derived within IKEv2 is independent of the EAP keying material and rekey of IPsec SAs can be handled without requiring EAP re-authentiation. Since generation of keying material is independent of EAP, within IKEv2 it is possible to negotiate PFS, regardless of the EAP method that is used. IKEv2 does not cache EAP keying material or parameters, nor does it utilize the EAP Key-Lifetime parameter to determine the lifetime of IPsec SAs. As result, once IKEv2 authentication completes it is assumed that EAP keying material and parameters are discarded. IEEE 802.11i IEEE 802.11i enables caching of the MSK, but not the EMSK, IV, Peer-ID, Server-ID, or Session-ID. More details are about the structure of the cache are available in [IEEE-802.11i]. In IEEE 802.11i, TSKs are derived from the MSK using the 4-way handshake, which includes a nonce exchange. This guarantees TSK freshness even if the MSK is reused. The 4-way handshake also enables TSK rekey without EAP re-authentication. PFS is only possible within IEEE 802.11i if the negotiated EAP method supports this. IEEE 802.1X-2004 IEEE 802.1X-2004, defined in [IEEE-802.1X-2004] does not support caching of EAP keying material or parameters. Therefore once EAP authentication completes, it is assumed that EAP keying material and parameters are discarded. IEEE 802.16e IEEE 802.16e, defined in [IEEE-802.16e] supports caching of the MSK, but not the EMSK, IV, Peer-ID, Server-ID or Session-ID. In IEEE 802.16e, TSKs are generated by the authenticator without any contribution by the peer. The TSKs are encrypted, authenticated and integrity protected using the MSK. As a result, TSK rekey is possible without EAP re-authentication. PFS is not possible even if the negotiated EAP method supports it. AAA Existing AAA implementations supporting RADIUS/EAP [RFC3579] or Diameter EAP [RFC4072] do not support caching of EAP keying material or parameters. In existing AAA client, proxy and server implementations, exported EAP keying material (MSK, EMSK and IV) as well as parameters and derived keys are not cached and MUST be presumed lost after the AAA exchange completes. In order to avoid key reuse, the AAA layer MUST delete transported keys once they are sent. The AAA layer MUST NOT retain keys that it has previously sent. For example, a AAA layer that has transported the MSK MUST delete it, and keys MUST NOT be derived from the MSK from that point forward." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sun Jan 08 13:36:17 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvfOr-0000Ae-Kh for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:36:17 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10751 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B25430118 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:36:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from he84-x.tigertech.net (he84-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.84]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101254300A8 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058F580C0FC for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f34.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.44]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7272780C0EA for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:35:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:35:38 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:35:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.38.139.227] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:35:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 18:35:38.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[52191F80:01C61482] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 319: Requirement on transport of EAP Keying Materia X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com The text of Issue 319 is available here: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20319 The Proposed Resolution is as follows: In Section 2.2, delete: "In order to prevent the compromise of transported EAP keying material and parameters, the AAA client and EAP authenticator MUST be co-resident." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sun Jan 08 13:37:08 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvfPg-0000EQ-8o for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:37:08 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10800 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45E84300FE for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC654300A8 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:36:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E2539804D for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:36:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f4.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.14]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECD5398024 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:36:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:36:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.38.139.227] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:36:49 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 18:36:49.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CBDB7F0:01C61482] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 321: IV X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com The text of Issue 321 is available here: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20321 The proposed resolution is as follows: Section 1.3: In Figure 1, add (Deprecated) to the IV Derivation box and (Optional) to the IV arrow. Section 1.3.1 Change: "MSK, EMSK and IV Names" To: "MSK and EMSK names" _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sun Jan 08 13:38:24 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvfQu-0000Xl-2p for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:38:24 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10866 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:37:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C914300CD for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:38:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C5E4300A8 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D6F80C0FB for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f2.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.12]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D9F80C0EA for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:37:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:37:54 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:37:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.38.139.227] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:37:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 18:37:54.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[A394A690:01C61482] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com The text of Issue 323 is available here: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20323 The proposed resolution is as follows: Change the text in Section 2.3 to the following: "AAA Existing AAA client, proxy and server implementations supporting RADIUS/EAP [RFC3579] or Diameter EAP [RFC4072] do not support caching of EAP keying material or parameters. In existing AAA client, proxy and server implementations, exported EAP keying material (MSK, EMSK and IV) as well as parameters and derived keys are not cached and MUST be presumed lost after the AAA exchange completes. In order to avoid key reuse, the AAA layer MUST delete transported keys once they are sent. The AAA layer MUST NOT retain keys that it has previously sent. For example, a AAA layer that has transported the MSK MUST delete it, and keys MUST NOT be derived from the MSK from that point forward." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sun Jan 08 13:39:31 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvfRz-0000hk-F9 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:39:31 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10929 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3CD4300DC for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:39:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5923243006D for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D65A80C0FE for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f7.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.17]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A586D80C0FB for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:39:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:39:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.38.139.227] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:39:06 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 18:39:07.0394 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEC4B620:01C61482] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 324: Typos X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com The text of Issue 324 is enclosed below. The proposed resolution is to accept the proposed editorial changes. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C614C3.D3E9A200-- From 20leeg@ci.winston-salem.nc.us Mon Jan 09 02:59:21 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Evrw1-0006qb-Rv for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:59:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA24291 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from host184-40.pool8291.interbusiness.it ([82.91.40.184]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Evs2S-00044M-Bt for eap-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:06:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 7:59:18 -0060 From: "Ramona Healy" <20leeg@ci.winston-salem.nc.us> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.6.07) CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: "Ramona Healy" <20leeg@ci.winston-salem.nc.us> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <0878939299.20060109075918@ci.winston-salem.nc.us> To: eap-archive@ietf.org Subject: re: Alert - Inv Information MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dark Dynamite Inc. (DKDY OTCBB) Announces Huge Contract To Increase Theme Park Visitors and Annual Revenues. Friday January 6, 11:30 am ET Symbol: DKDY Previous: $1.61 Fridays High: $2.00 Last Trade: $1.93 Price Increase: 51.52% Fridays Volume: 237,636 Shares Short Term: $3.10 - 3.50 Long Term: $5.75 - $6.00 Indicator: Strong Buy Friday Morning DKDY announced the agreement to begin nightly banquets in April 2006 that are expected to increase visitors to the park by over 18000 per month, doubling its annual attendance and creating an increase in revenues by over $3.4 million dollars. This announcement sparked a large increase in trading where the volume increase by 2000% over normal daily volumes and the price climbed from $1.61 to a high of $2.00, then closed at $1.93 at end of day. The announcement hit the market later in trading and thus the full impact of this announcement is yet to be seen. We believe DKDY will show huge growth continuing on through Monday bringing large returns in daily trading for our members. Last week was an exciting open to the 2006 Trading year, DKDY will continue to carry that excitement by bringing huge revenues to investors again this week. Read below the details of the agreement, planned banquet, and the theme park that is drawing so much attention to this rapidly increasing stock. Be sure to get in on this stock first thing Monday before the climb continues. The News On DKDY Dark Dynamite Inc. has reached a cooperation agreement with GreenTree Financial Group Inc. (''GreenTree''), a professional financial consulting firm focusing on China investment & financing businesses, for initiating a large-scale outdoor Qin dynasty Cultural Dinner Show program for performing Qin dynasty dancers and songs in the Theme Park of Qin E-Pang Palace (''the Theme Park'') from April 2006. 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From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 09 03:03:13 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Evrzl-0007NL-E8 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:03:13 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA24466 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E714300F5 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E165430071 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:02:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5551580C106 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:02:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C7E80C0EA for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:02:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CE1898D3; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:02:52 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43C218CA.1080601@piuha.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:03:22 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Otto Subject: Re: [eap] EAP-AKA Key derivation References: <200601070946.38246.t.otto@sharevolution.de> In-Reply-To: <200601070946.38246.t.otto@sharevolution.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clarifying question: Is the problem that the KDF specification is unclear, or that a NIST publication is needed to implement it? Thomas Otto wrote: >Hi all, > >EAP-AKA uses the DSS key derivation function (KDF) to derive >export keying material. > >Although the draft describes the KDF briefly (see below), I would >not be able to ... say implement this function. Rather I would have >to look in NIST publication what the SHS actually is ... :-( > >So, does anyone know why this burden is in EAP-AKA? > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 09 03:40:38 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvsZy-0005BR-4t for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:40:38 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA26492 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A514300E1 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E940643006D for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5352398049 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A5B39803C for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:40:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [213.54.79.99] (helo=212.227.126.177) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2ov-1EvsZZ1kXc-0002Em; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:40:14 +0100 From: Thomas Otto To: eap@frascone.com, Jari Arkko Subject: Re: [eap] EAP-AKA Key derivation Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:40:08 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <200601070946.38246.t.otto@sharevolution.de> <43C218CA.1080601@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <43C218CA.1080601@piuha.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601090940.09803.t.otto@sharevolution.de> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:3105fcefe481186a11ed9e9de1ccc56f X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jari, all, > Clarifying question: > > Is the problem that the KDF specification is unclear, > or that a NIST publication is needed to implement it? I was wondering why EAP-SIM and EAP-AKA use such a complicated key derivation function. I do not know what the Secure Hash Standard is, so I would have to read in NIST documents about it. I think the construction used by IKEv2 prf+(K,S) = T1 + T2 + T3 + T4 + ... where T1 = prf (K, S + 0x01) T2 = prf(K, T1 + S + 0x02) T3 = prf(K, T2 + S + 0x03) T4 = prf(K, T3 + S + 0x04) ... is more convenient for key derivation. It seems to work nicely. Note that DSS-KDF has already patched one time, namely after Daniel Bleichenbacher found an attack on the first version. Apparently, the construction of the KDF has been long time not well understood. What I am just interested in, is the reason of the authors of EAP-SIM and EAP-AKA for having adopted the DSS-KDF. Thomas _________ PS. The IPsec Working Group has discussed the IKEv2-KDF very extensively, e.g. in November 2002 here http://www.vpnc.org/ietf-ipsec/02.ipsec/msg02655.html > > Thomas Otto wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >EAP-AKA uses the DSS key derivation function (KDF) to derive > >export keying material. > > > >Although the draft describes the KDF briefly (see below), I would > >not be able to ... say implement this function. Rather I would have > >to look in NIST publication what the SHS actually is ... :-( > > > >So, does anyone know why this burden is in EAP-AKA? _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 09 08:02:27 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvwfL-0002DF-Ar for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:02:27 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA12582 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597DC430162 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:02:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7BC430073 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5992E80C10F for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f4.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.14]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD85480C0EB for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:02:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:02:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.182.139.247] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43C218CA.1080601@piuha.net> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: jari.arkko@piuha.net, t.otto@sharevolution.de Subject: Re: [eap] EAP-AKA Key derivation Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 05:02:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 13:02:03.0395 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2BD1D30:01C6151C] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com It is very common for IETF specifications to reference cryptographic functions defined outside of the IETF. Examples include AES and DES, both of which are defined in NIST documents. >From: Jari Arkko >To: Thomas Otto >CC: eap@frascone.com >Subject: Re: [eap] EAP-AKA Key derivation >Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:03:22 +0200 > >Clarifying question: > >Is the problem that the KDF specification is unclear, >or that a NIST publication is needed to implement it? > >Thomas Otto wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >>EAP-AKA uses the DSS key derivation function (KDF) to derive >>export keying material. >> >>Although the draft describes the KDF briefly (see below), I would >>not be able to ... say implement this function. Rather I would have >>to look in NIST publication what the SHS actually is ... :-( >> >>So, does anyone know why this burden is in EAP-AKA? >> >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 09 08:05:30 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvwiI-0002c4-Bn for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:05:30 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA13024 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B9D430108 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D989D430073 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:05:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD49080C10F for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:05:14 -0800 (PST) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 18:32:11 ago Received: from hotmail.com (unknown [65.54.161.27]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4230780C0EB for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:05:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:05:12 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:05:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.182.139.247] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601090940.09803.t.otto@sharevolution.de> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: t.otto@sharevolution.de, eap@frascone.com, jari.arkko@piuha.net Subject: Re: [eap] EAP-AKA Key derivation Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 05:05:11 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 13:05:12.0264 (UTC) FILETIME=[53503C80:01C6151D] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com >What I am just interested in, is the reason of the authors of EAP-SIM >and EAP-AKA for having adopted the DSS-KDF. I'm actually more concerned about the ability to negotiate KDFs. As you note, KDFs are increasingly encountering security issues. Unless they can be negotiated, this is going to cause a problem. As I understand it, the IETF is going to be looking at negotiation of KDFs within protocols such as TLS or IKE. Also, the implication is that future protocols should enable KDF negotiation. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From adodson_we@tvesplanada.tv.br Mon Jan 09 09:57:12 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvySO-0007M6-Tw for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:57:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA19850 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [221.150.50.188] (helo=ciepi.it) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvyYq-0007BJ-Ie for eap-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:03:57 -0500 Received: (from tomcat@localhost) by 51.174.197.163 (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j1CHmn2V795109 for TO_EMAIL; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:44:48 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:44:48 +0100 From: "Angie Dodson" X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.413 (Entity 5.946) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap-archive@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: (-2.406) BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 222.228.75.141 X-Scanned-By: SpamAssassin 3.139714, File::Scan 0.05, Archive::Zip 1.02 X-Recipient: Subject: Busy cails-htabs at Unbelievable Prices Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----NextBound311743118932086125819808" X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 93e7fb8fef2e780414389440f367c879 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------NextBound311743118932086125819808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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(node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1EvzPB2q1d-0008IS; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:57:58 +0100 From: Thomas Otto To: eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] EAP-AKA Key derivation Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:57:56 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601091657.56791.t.otto@sharevolution.de> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:3105fcefe481186a11ed9e9de1ccc56f X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bernard, all, > It is very common for IETF specifications to reference cryptographic > functions defined outside of the IETF. Examples include AES and DES, both > of which are defined in NIST documents. This may be, but in the IETF, also appropriate mechanisms have been developed. As I said before, for instance the prf+ in IKEv2. So why abstain from using this PRF? The HMAC construction seems much more comprehensible than the DSS-PRF. Is there a particular advantage which I haven't recognized? IS the DSS-PRF built-in in the USIM, for instance? This would be an argument, to re-use the implementation. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 09 11:08:52 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvzZk-0007xT-HV for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:08:52 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA27123 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:07:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6534300A7 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:08:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE20430076 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:08:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FEE80C113 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9C480C0EA for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:08:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [213.54.79.99] (helo=212.227.126.177) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1EvzZS1UEz-0001JH; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:08:35 +0100 From: Thomas Otto To: eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] EAP-AKA Key derivation Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:08:31 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601091708.31837.t.otto@sharevolution.de> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:3105fcefe481186a11ed9e9de1ccc56f X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bernard, all, > I'm actually more concerned about the ability to negotiate KDFs. As you > note, KDFs are increasingly encountering security issues. Unless they can > be negotiated, this is going to cause a problem. > > As I understand it, the IETF is going to be looking at negotiation of KDFs > within protocols such as TLS or IKE. Also, the implication is that future > protocols should enable KDF negotiation. Indeed negotiation seems to be an crucial feature of protocols. I think all this what we discuss here is preparational work for the upcoming EMU work ... if the goal is to standardize EAP methods, then this and similar questions will arise. Let's look at TLS. At the beginning of the handshake, cryptographic parameters are negotiated (actually, a bundle of key exchange, encryption and hash algorithm). But unfortunately, the pseudo-random function relies on MD5 and SHA1. TLS misses to negotiate a PRF. And this is what TLS suffers from. So, I agree with your argument, to consider KDF negotiation as very important feature. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 09 11:43:36 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ew07M-0004kX-7E for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:43:36 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00364 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7BEC430148 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC43430076 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:43:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A45280C0EA for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:43:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A5A80C0EB for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Jan 2006 08:43:17 -0800 Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k09GhHQi009884; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:43:17 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] EAP-AKA Key derivation Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:49:35 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69067275F8@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] EAP-AKA Key derivation Thread-Index: AcYVNl5kCctH5n7LRRmDobX5EvnufQABAxhg From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Thomas Otto" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At the time of development of EAP-AKA and EAP-SIM we received comments on using a standard PRF. This was the recommendation from NIST on a PRF so we adopted it. I don't believe it to be any better or worse than PRF+ using HMAC-SHA1 used in IKEv2 but at the time PRF+ was not standardized. SIM manufacturers have built EAP-SIM into smart cards, I don't remember if this came as a request from them or not.=20 Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Otto [mailto:t.otto@sharevolution.de]=20 > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:58 AM > To: eap@frascone.com > Subject: Re: [eap] EAP-AKA Key derivation >=20 > Hi Bernard, all, =20 >=20 > > It is very common for IETF specifications to reference cryptographic > > functions defined outside of the IETF. Examples include=20 > AES and DES, both > > of which are defined in NIST documents. >=20 > This may be, but in the IETF, also appropriate mechanisms=20 > have been developed. > As I said before, for instance the prf+ in IKEv2.=20 >=20 > So why abstain from using this PRF? The HMAC construction=20 > seems much more > comprehensible than the DSS-PRF.=20 >=20 > Is there a particular advantage which I haven't recognized?=20 > IS the DSS-PRF=20 > built-in in the USIM, for instance? 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Requested change: Add the following description in Section 2.3: " PANA PANA [I-D.ietf-pana-pana] supports caching of the MSK, but not the EMSK, IV, Session-ID, Peer-ID or Server-ID. In the PANA model [I-D.ietf-pana-framework], TSKs are generated using a Secure Association Protocol between the peer and and authenticator port (which is referred to as an Enforcement Point), where both link-layer specific key exchange protocols and IKE can be used as the Secure Association Protocol depending on whether link-layer ciphering or IPsec is used between the peer and the authenticator port. The key scope and lifetime of the TSKs are communicated from the authenticator to the peer. The key scope is specified as a list of device identifiers of the Enforcement Points. Depending on the Secure Association Protocol in use, TSK rekey is possible without EAP re-authentication. 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If the TSKs are generated via an IKE DH exchange, with the MSK used only for authentication (as in IKEv2/EAP) then the TSKs are not dependent on the MSK and PFS is possible, right? > between the peer and and authenticator port Not sure I understand this. The SAP exchange is between the peer and authenticator, not between specific ports. However, a result of the SAP exchange can be derivation of TSKs which are bound to specific ports. > Point), where both link-layer specific key exchange protocols and > IKE can be used as the Secure Association Protocol depending on > whether link-layer ciphering or IPsec is used between the peer > and the authenticator port. What is a "link-layer specific key exchange protocol"? Are we talking about existing SAPs such as 802.11i 4-way handshake, or something else? > The key scope and lifetime of the > TSKs are communicated from the authenticator to the peer. How? IKE does not define explicit lifetimes, nor does it care about key scope because it doesn't support caching. > The key scope is specified as a list of device identifiers of the > Enforcement Points. 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------=_NextPart_000_0000_ENTOKFOE.XWVNVIMQ-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 06:49:16 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwI04-0004Mc-FC for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:49:16 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24201 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572FE4300B0 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:49:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6A143005F for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:49:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5503398048 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:49:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E342C398039 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:48:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [213.54.96.248] (helo=212.227.126.177) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2ov-1EwHzm0Y2I-0002Be; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:48:58 +0100 From: Thomas Otto To: "Salowey, Joe" , eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] EAP-AKA Key derivation Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:49:00 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69067275F8@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69067275F8@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601101249.01085.t.otto@sharevolution.de> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:3105fcefe481186a11ed9e9de1ccc56f X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Just for curiosity, I looked at implementations of the IKEv2 PRF and DSS-PRF. EAP-FAST uses the IKEv2 PRF. EAP-SIM and AKA uses the DSS-PRF. The opensource project wpa_supplicant has implemented these KDFs. My feeling has been that the DSS-PRF is not as efficient ... however, at least for the particular implementation of wpa_supplicant, this is NOT true. The bottom-line (for the urgent reader): ==> The DSS-PRF is about 7-8x faster (regardless if 140 or 512 byte output). For the interested reader: The machine tested is an Amilo notebook, 1024 MB RAM, 1.7 GHz Intel Pentium M. --------------------------- parameters: 140 outputsize / byte iterations: 100000 Testing EAP-SIM PRF ... 100000 iterations: 1.783396 seconds Testing EAP-FAST PRF ... 100000 iterations: 12.632675 seconds The ratio IKEv2-KDF / DSS-KDF = 7.083494 ------------------- parameters: 512 outputsize / byte iterations: 100000 Testing EAP-SIM PRF ... 100000 iterations: 5.855131 seconds Testing EAP-FAST PRF ... 100000 iterations: 47.793291 seconds The ratio IKEv2-KDF / DSS-KDF = 8.162634------- The source file is available here: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013790/prftest.c This file must be copied into the wpa_supplicant directory, it can be compiled with $ gcc -MMD -O2 -Wall -g -I. -I../utils -I../hostapd prftest.c sha1.c md5.c common.c -o prftest.o _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 11:21:41 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwMFc-0004M6-55 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:21:41 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA18160 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:20:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D361B4300C9 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABC343005F for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493D839804E for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from toshi17.tari.toshiba.com (mgw.toshibaamericaresearch.com [165.254.55.12]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74145398052 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (toshi17.tari.toshiba.com [172.30.24.10]) by toshi17.tari.toshiba.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AGL674002837; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:21:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from yohba@tari.toshiba.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:20:54 -0500 To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework Message-ID: <20060110162034.GC10013@steelhead> References: <20060110030201.GK4581@steelhead> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 From: Yoshihiro Ohba X-Dispatcher: imput version 20050308(IM148) Lines: 68 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.424 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, FORGED_RCVD_HELO Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 10:59:25PM -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote: > > TSKs are generated using a Secure Association Protocol > > Can you elaborate on this? If the TSKs are generated via an IKE DH > exchange, with the MSK used only for authentication (as in IKEv2/EAP) then > the TSKs are not dependent on the MSK and PFS is possible, right? Yes. When IKE is used as the SAP, the IKE PSK derived from MSK is used only for peer entity authentication for IKE DH and thus PFS is possible. On the other hand when IEEE 802.11i 4-way handshake is used as the SAP, PFS is possible if the negotiated EAP method supports this. > > > between the peer and and authenticator port > > Not sure I understand this. The SAP exchange is between the peer and > authenticator, not between specific ports. However, a result of the SAP > exchange can be derivation of TSKs which are bound to specific ports. Since an authenticator port part of authenticator, it does not seem to conflict with the statement that the SAP exchange is between the peer and authenticator. > > > Point), where both link-layer specific key exchange protocols and > > IKE can be used as the Secure Association Protocol depending on > > whether link-layer ciphering or IPsec is used between the peer > > and the authenticator port. > > What is a "link-layer specific key exchange protocol"? Are we talking > about existing SAPs such as 802.11i 4-way handshake, or something else? Yes, 802.11i 4-way handshake is a link-layer specific key exchange protocol. > > > > The key scope and lifetime of the > > TSKs are communicated from the authenticator to the peer. > > How? IKE does not define explicit lifetimes, nor does it care about key > scope because it doesn't support caching. The lifetime of PANA session is carried in PANA message. This lifetime is the same as the authorization lifetime which is also same as the lifetime of the MSK. Then, draft-ietf-pana-ipsec specifies that when IKE is used as the SAP, the lifetime of the IKE SA is bound to the lifetime of the MSK. Regarding the key scope, it is important for the peer to know which authenticator ports (Enforcement Points) belong to the authenticator the peer is communicating. This fact does not seem to depend on the type of the SAP. The list of EPs clearly defines the key scope. > > > > The key scope is specified as a list of device identifiers of the > > Enforcement Points. > > This doesn't make sense where IKE is used as the SAP unless we are talking > about MOBIKE (which can move SAs between addresses). Even without mobility, the peer can choose any one or more of EPs to secure data traffic using IPsec (e.g., for load balancing purpose). The list of EPs can make sense to help the peer to know the choices. 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------=_NextPart_000_0000_ETFMEBZO.PDUAXSJB-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 11:35:44 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwMTI-0000zE-A4 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:35:44 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA19372 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:34:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8024300A8 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:35:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772A243005F for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66ABF80C118 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f14.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.24]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05D380C0E8 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:35:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:35:29 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:35:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.182.139.247] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060110162034.GC10013@steelhead> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: yohba@tari.toshiba.com Subject: Re: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:35:29 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 16:35:29.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE266910:01C61603] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com >Yes. When IKE is used as the SAP, the IKE PSK derived from MSK is >used only for peer entity authentication for IKE DH and thus PFS is >possible. On the other hand when IEEE 802.11i 4-way handshake is used >as the SAP, PFS is possible if the negotiated EAP method supports >this. The IEEE 802.11i standard does not support PANA, so how can this work? A single "virtual AP" either allows "open" authentication, or it requires 802.11i, but it can't do both simultaneously. Therefore PANA cannot be used for the initial authentication, since PANA traffic will be dropped by the AP prior to completion of 802.1X. >Since an authenticator port part of authenticator, it does not seem to >conflict with the statement that the SAP exchange is between the peer and >authenticator. Are you saying that the exchange isn't between ports, but just between the authenticator and peer? > > How? IKE does not define explicit lifetimes, nor does it care about key > > scope because it doesn't support caching. > >The lifetime of PANA session is carried in PANA message. This >lifetime is the same as the authorization lifetime which is also same >as the lifetime of the MSK. Since IKEv2 does not support caching of EAP keying parameters, including the MSK, the PANA lifetime cannot be used; the MSK is discarded by IKEv2 regardless of what is in the PANA lifetime. >Then, draft-ietf-pana-ipsec specifies >that when IKE is used as the SAP, the lifetime of the IKE SA is bound >to the lifetime of the MSK. The IPsec SA lifetime is determined by IKE, not PANA. Since IKE discards the MSK after it completes, there is no notion of an MSK lifetime in IKE. >Regarding the key scope, it is important for the peer to know which >authenticator ports (Enforcement Points) belong to the authenticator >the peer is communicating. This fact does not seem to depend on the >type of the SAP. The list of EPs clearly defines the key scope. So PANA attempts to modify the IPsec SADB? _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 13:08:49 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwNvN-0006ZB-6B for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:08:49 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA25815 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21714300FE for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EEAA430100 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:08:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0397A80C101 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:08:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D901280C102 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01887898E7; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:08:06 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43C3E269.5000709@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:35:53 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yoshi, Bernard, >It would be useful to add some >description on how PANA handle the caching of EAP keying material and >the generation of transient session keys. Yes,this would be useful. Thanks for the input. >> TSKs are generated using a Secure Association Protocol > > > Can you elaborate on this? If the TSKs are generated via an IKE DH > exchange, with the MSK used only for authentication (as in IKEv2/EAP) > then the TSKs are not dependent on the MSK and PFS is possible, right? Yes. But PANA does not mandate IKE, it could also run with some yet-to-be-designed L2 mechanism that does not offer PFS. >> between the peer and and authenticator port > > > Not sure I understand this. The SAP exchange is between the peer and > authenticator, not between specific ports. However, a result of the > SAP exchange can be derivation of TSKs which are bound to specific ports. In PANA, the authenticator can be "distributed", i.e., consist of the point where the EAP/AAA handling happens, and multiple enforcement points where the L2/L3 crypto for the actual session is terminated. Anyway, the term "port" is somewhat confusing here... not well defined. >> Point), where both link-layer specific key exchange protocols and >> IKE can be used as the Secure Association Protocol depending on >> whether link-layer ciphering or IPsec is used between the peer >> and the authenticator port. > > > What is a "link-layer specific key exchange protocol"? Are we talking > about existing SAPs such as 802.11i 4-way handshake, or something else? 802.11i is mentioned as a specific example in the documents, but I don't know if the details of how to use PANA with it are written down anywhere. The details about IKE usage are in draft-ietf-pana-ipsec. It might be an idea to explain the pana/ike case here, and not the open-ended other possible scenarios. > >> The key scope and lifetime of the >> TSKs are communicated from the authenticator to the peer. > > > How? IKE does not define explicit lifetimes, nor does it care about > key scope because it doesn't support caching. Identifiers of the parties and session are delivered to the enforcement point. The client also knows them. Lifetime can be known by the enforcement point and locally enforced, but as you note it can not be communicated to the client under IKEv2. > >> The key scope is specified as a list of device identifiers of the >> Enforcement Points. > > > This doesn't make sense where IKE is used as the SAP unless we are > talking about MOBIKE (which can move SAs between addresses). According to draft-ietf-pana-ipsec, from the enforcement point's point of view, the scope is exactly one EP. --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 15:21:21 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwPzd-0001JT-20 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:21:21 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05278 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD1B4300BF for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45ADC430082 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3077339805D for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBED398048 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0AKKqub002824; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:20:52 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id k0AKKqHQ017636; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:20:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id FAA17605 ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:20:52 +0900 Received: from mx2.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0AKKpU9015900; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:20:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpoa.po.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id k0AKKpiD025308; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:20:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead ([172.30.24.104]) by mail.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 (built Apr 28 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0ISW00AVL8IJXNI0@mail.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:20:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EwPyu-0003Rx-Tt; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:20:36 -0800 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:20:36 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework In-reply-to: To: Bernard Aboba Message-id: <20060110202036.GA12771@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline References: <20060110162034.GC10013@steelhead> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 08:35:29AM -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote: > >Yes. When IKE is used as the SAP, the IKE PSK derived from MSK is > >used only for peer entity authentication for IKE DH and thus PFS is > >possible. On the other hand when IEEE 802.11i 4-way handshake is used > >as the SAP, PFS is possible if the negotiated EAP method supports > >this. > > The IEEE 802.11i standard does not support PANA, so how can this work? > > A single "virtual AP" either allows "open" authentication, or it requires > 802.11i, but it can't do both simultaneously. Therefore PANA cannot be > used for the initial authentication, since PANA traffic will be dropped by > the AP prior to completion of 802.1X. I don't think 802.11i prohibits any IP traffic to pass throuth uncontrolled port before 4-way handshake. In fact, there is a description in section 5.4.2.2 of IEEE 802.11i 2004 specification: " IEEE 802.1X Supplicants and Authenticators exchange protocol information via the IEEE 802.1X Uncontrolled Port. It is expected that most other protocol exchanges will make use of the IEEE 802.1X Controlled Ports. However, a given protocol may need to bypass the authorization function and make use of the IEEE 802.1X Uncontrolled Port. " Section 10.2.2 of draft-ietf-pana-framework-05.txt has general description on IEEE 802.11i usage in PANA. > > >> How? IKE does not define explicit lifetimes, nor does it care about key > >> scope because it doesn't support caching. > > > >The lifetime of PANA session is carried in PANA message. This > >lifetime is the same as the authorization lifetime which is also same > >as the lifetime of the MSK. > > Since IKEv2 does not support caching of EAP keying parameters, including > the MSK, the PANA lifetime cannot be used; the MSK is discarded by IKEv2 > regardless of what is in the PANA lifetime. When IKEv2 is used as the SAP for PANA, the usage is different from that of running EAP over IKEv2. In the PANA usage, IKE pre-shared key and IKE SA lifetime are dynamically configured and unconfigured using EAP parameters obtained by running PANA/EAP, while those parameters are most likely be statically configured in non-PANA IKEv2 usage. > > >Regarding the key scope, it is important for the peer to know which > >authenticator ports (Enforcement Points) belong to the authenticator > >the peer is communicating. This fact does not seem to depend on the > >type of the SAP. The list of EPs clearly defines the key scope. > > So PANA attempts to modify the IPsec SADB? > Yes. Yoshihiro Ohba _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 15:31:19 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwQ9H-0004SJ-OT for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:31:19 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05860 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732C743009F for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:31:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB71430082 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED43398048 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from orsfmr003.jf.intel.com (fmr18.intel.com [134.134.136.17]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8C4398052 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from orsfmr100.jf.intel.com (orsfmr100.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.16]) by orsfmr003.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-outer.mc,v 1.1 2004/09/17 17:50:56 root Exp $) with ESMTP id k0AKUxk6026407; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:30:59 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.206]) by orsfmr100.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-inner.mc,v 1.2 2004/09/17 18:05:01 root Exp $) with SMTP id k0AKU1xp014573; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:30:59 GMT Received: from orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.56]) by orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.7.47) with SMTP id M2006011012305916777 ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:30:59 -0800 Received: from orsmsx401.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.207]) by orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:30:59 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:30:58 -0800 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework thread-index: AcYWI4iAewHadsfMS8aPWTt5pAErOwAAOojQ From: "Walker, Jesse" To: "Yoshihiro Ohba" , "Bernard Aboba" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 20:30:59.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[C438AC40:01C61624] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 10.7.209.16 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.376 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_POST X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yoshihiro > I don't think 802.11i prohibits any IP traffic to pass throuth > uncontrolled port before 4-way handshake. In fact, there is a > description in section 5.4.2.2 of IEEE 802.11i 2004 specification: [Walker, Jesse] This is not true. 802.1X frames are the only type of data 802.11i allows to pass over the link prior to key confirmation. IP traffic is not encapsulated with the 802.1X Ethertype, so is expressly blocked. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 15:48:04 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwQPP-0000fw-Hc for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:48:04 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA06864 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27AB14300E2 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:47:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D77430082 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D6580C122 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:47:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D954680C120 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:47:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from wall11.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.90.149]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0AKlaub007329; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:47:36 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by wall11.toshiba.co.jp id k0AKmCeF004752; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:48:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp11.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.90.148] by wall11.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id FAA04726; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:48:11 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp11.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0AKlZru014818; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:47:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpoa.po.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id k0AKlZsA020955; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:47:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead ([172.30.24.104]) by mail.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 (built Apr 28 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0ISW00AGM9R5XNJ0@mail.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:47:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EwQOp-0003WT-9L; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:47:23 -0800 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:47:23 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework In-reply-to: To: "Walker, Jesse" Message-id: <20060110204723.GC12771@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline References: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Jesse, On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:30:58PM -0800, Walker, Jesse wrote: > Yoshihiro > > > I don't think 802.11i prohibits any IP traffic to pass throuth > > uncontrolled port before 4-way handshake. In fact, there is a > > description in section 5.4.2.2 of IEEE 802.11i 2004 specification: > [Walker, Jesse] This is not true. 802.1X frames are the only type of > data 802.11i allows to pass over the link prior to key confirmation. IP > traffic is not encapsulated with the 802.1X Ethertype, so is expressly > blocked. Can you point out which text in the 802.11i specification states this specific behavior? How can we interpret the quoted text in section 5.4.2.2? In any case, another way is to use multiple (virtual) APs, one operating in 'open' authentication running PANA and the other operating in 802.11i, and switching from the former AP to the latter after PANA authentication. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C61652.6AB4C900-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 15:59:54 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwQaw-0003A4-93 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:59:54 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA08228 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047184300BC for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:59:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B08430082 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:59:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716E880C117 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:59:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from orsfmr003.jf.intel.com (fmr18.intel.com [134.134.136.17]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9260E80C11C for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:59:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from orsfmr100.jf.intel.com (orsfmr100.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.16]) by orsfmr003.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-outer.mc,v 1.1 2004/09/17 17:50:56 root Exp $) with ESMTP id k0AKxZk6031010; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:59:35 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.206]) by orsfmr100.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-inner.mc,v 1.2 2004/09/17 18:05:01 root Exp $) with SMTP id k0AKwSxj024760; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:59:35 GMT Received: from orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.60]) by orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.7.47) with SMTP id M2006011012593419110 ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:59:34 -0800 Received: from orsmsx401.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.207]) by orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:59:34 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:59:33 -0800 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework thread-index: AcYWJ+Cl/kORPwAKREaHsCYRtant6AAALxaQ From: "Walker, Jesse" To: "Yoshihiro Ohba" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 20:59:34.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2B65530:01C61628] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 10.7.209.16 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.376 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_POST X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are numerous places, but you can start with clause 5.9.2.1, which gives an expository overview of the process. > -----Original Message----- > From: Yoshihiro Ohba [mailto:yohba@tari.toshiba.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:47 PM > To: Walker, Jesse > Cc: Yoshihiro Ohba; Bernard Aboba; eap@frascone.com > Subject: Re: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework >=20 > Jesse, >=20 > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:30:58PM -0800, Walker, Jesse wrote: > > Yoshihiro > > > > > I don't think 802.11i prohibits any IP traffic to pass throuth > > > uncontrolled port before 4-way handshake. In fact, there is a > > > description in section 5.4.2.2 of IEEE 802.11i 2004 specification: > > [Walker, Jesse] This is not true. 802.1X frames are the only type of > > data 802.11i allows to pass over the link prior to key confirmation. IP > > traffic is not encapsulated with the 802.1X Ethertype, so is expressly > > blocked. >=20 > Can you point out which text in the 802.11i specification states this > specific behavior? How can we interpret the quoted text in section > 5.4.2.2? >=20 > In any case, another way is to use multiple (virtual) APs, one > operating in 'open' authentication running PANA and the other > operating in 802.11i, and switching from the former AP to the latter > after PANA authentication. >=20 > Regards, > Yoshihiro Ohba _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 16:05:18 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwQg9-0004a2-RJ for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:05:18 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08831 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585D243010F for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:05:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C073430082 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:05:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5BC39804F for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:05:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f22.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.32]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E545F398038 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:05:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:05:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:05:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [131.107.0.104] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: jesse.walker@intel.com, yohba@tari.toshiba.com Subject: RE: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:05:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 21:05:02.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[85FBCDE0:01C61629] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com >There are numerous places, but you can start with clause 5.9.2.1, which >gives an expository overview of the process. >IP traffic is not encapsulated with the 802.1X Ethertype, so is >expressly blocked. Right. >In any case, another way is to use multiple (virtual) APs, one >operating in 'open' authentication running PANA and the other >operating in 802.11i, and switching from the former AP to the latter >after PANA authentication. That is also forbidden in IEEE 802.11i, which includes the authorizations as part of the PMKSA context. Therefore it is not permitted to use authorizations provided for one virtual AP with another virtual AP. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 16:28:25 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwR2X-0005EQ-7q for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:28:25 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA10838 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1474300A9 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:28:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2B0430063 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB7380C125 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACE880C105 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:28:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0ALS1ub013959; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:28:01 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id k0ALS2Zh018043; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:28:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id GAA18010 ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:28:02 +0900 Received: from mx2.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0ALS0dI001228; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:28:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpoa.po.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id k0ALS0af017814; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:28:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead ([172.30.24.104]) by mail.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 (built Apr 28 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0ISW00AJIBMFXNK0@mail.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:28:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EwR1n-0003cq-J1; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:27:39 -0800 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:27:39 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework In-reply-to: To: "Walker, Jesse" Message-id: <20060110212739.GD12771@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline References: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:59:33PM -0800, Walker, Jesse wrote: > There are numerous places, but you can start with clause 5.9.2.1, which > gives an expository overview of the process. This partially answers to my questions, but I think the 802.11i specification is vague about the behavior you mentioned. For example, in the following text in clause 5.9.2.1: " Upon successful completion of the 4-Way Handshake, the Authenticator and Supplicant have authenticated each other; and the IEEE 802.1X Controlled Ports are unblocked to permit general data traffic. " - What is the definition of "general data traffic"? - The above text does not say anything about whether any data frame other than 802.1X messages is not allowed to pass through uncontrolled port. Yoshihiro Ohba > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Yoshihiro Ohba [mailto:yohba@tari.toshiba.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:47 PM > > To: Walker, Jesse > > Cc: Yoshihiro Ohba; Bernard Aboba; eap@frascone.com > > Subject: Re: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework > > > > Jesse, > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:30:58PM -0800, Walker, Jesse wrote: > > > Yoshihiro > > > > > > > I don't think 802.11i prohibits any IP traffic to pass throuth > > > > uncontrolled port before 4-way handshake. In fact, there is a > > > > description in section 5.4.2.2 of IEEE 802.11i 2004 specification: > > > [Walker, Jesse] This is not true. 802.1X frames are the only type of > > > data 802.11i allows to pass over the link prior to key confirmation. > IP > > > traffic is not encapsulated with the 802.1X Ethertype, so is > expressly > > > blocked. > > > > Can you point out which text in the 802.11i specification states this > > specific behavior? How can we interpret the quoted text in section > > 5.4.2.2? > > > > In any case, another way is to use multiple (virtual) APs, one > > operating in 'open' authentication running PANA and the other > > operating in 802.11i, and switching from the former AP to the latter > > after PANA authentication. > > > > Regards, > > Yoshihiro Ohba > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 16:43:01 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwRGf-00029P-Dc for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:43:01 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA11439 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB884300AE for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:42:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2082430063 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96501398038 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from orsfmr004.jf.intel.com (fmr19.intel.com [134.134.136.18]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF10739804F for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from orsfmr100.jf.intel.com (orsfmr100.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.16]) by orsfmr004.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-outer.mc,v 1.1 2004/09/17 17:50:56 root Exp $) with ESMTP id k0ALgeM2025540; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:42:40 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.206]) by orsfmr100.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-inner.mc,v 1.2 2004/09/17 18:05:01 root Exp $) with SMTP id k0ALgUxR010097; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:42:40 GMT Received: from orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.60]) by orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.7.47) with SMTP id M2006011013424023143 ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:42:40 -0800 Received: from orsmsx401.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.207]) by orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:42:39 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:42:38 -0800 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework thread-index: AcYWLS0t7bOd4q4CRwenu87IrHP7PAAABVPA From: "Walker, Jesse" To: "Yoshihiro Ohba" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 21:42:39.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[C796E6E0:01C6162E] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 10.7.209.16 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.376 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_POST X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yoshihiro, > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:59:33PM -0800, Walker, Jesse wrote: > > There are numerous places, but you can start with clause 5.9.2.1, which > > gives an expository overview of the process. >=20 > This partially answers to my questions, but I think the 802.11i > specification is vague about the behavior you mentioned. >=20 > For example, in the following text in clause 5.9.2.1: >=20 > " > Upon successful completion of the 4-Way Handshake, the Authenticator > and Supplicant have authenticated each other; and the IEEE 802.1X > Controlled Ports are unblocked to permit general data traffic. > " >=20 > - What is the definition of "general data traffic"? [Walker, Jesse] General data traffic are MSDUs received through the UNITDATA.request interface that have an Ethertype different from 802.1X. >=20 > - The above text does not say anything about whether any data frame > other than 802.1X messages is not allowed to pass through uncontrolled > port. [Walker, Jesse] You can find the answer reading 802.1X Clause 8. The answer is no. All data traffic passes through the control port. The uncontrolled port passes only frames of Ethertype 802.1X. >=20 > Yoshihiro Ohba >=20 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Yoshihiro Ohba [mailto:yohba@tari.toshiba.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:47 PM > > > To: Walker, Jesse > > > Cc: Yoshihiro Ohba; Bernard Aboba; eap@frascone.com > > > Subject: Re: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework > > > > > > Jesse, > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:30:58PM -0800, Walker, Jesse wrote: > > > > Yoshihiro > > > > > > > > > I don't think 802.11i prohibits any IP traffic to pass throuth > > > > > uncontrolled port before 4-way handshake. In fact, there is a > > > > > description in section 5.4.2.2 of IEEE 802.11i 2004 specification: > > > > [Walker, Jesse] This is not true. 802.1X frames are the only type of > > > > data 802.11i allows to pass over the link prior to key confirmation. > > IP > > > > traffic is not encapsulated with the 802.1X Ethertype, so is > > expressly > > > > blocked. > > > > > > Can you point out which text in the 802.11i specification states this > > > specific behavior? How can we interpret the quoted text in section > > > 5.4.2.2? > > > > > > In any case, another way is to use multiple (virtual) APs, one > > > operating in 'open' authentication running PANA and the other > > > operating in 802.11i, and switching from the former AP to the latter > > > after PANA authentication. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Yoshihiro Ohba > > > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 16:44:32 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwRI8-0002PI-Si for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:44:32 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA11499 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:43:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661EF430082 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3817A4300EE for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:44:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0BB398048 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:44:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6641639804F for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from az33exr01.mot.com (az33exr01.mot.com [10.64.251.231]) by ftpbox.mot.com (Motorola/Ftpbox) with ESMTP id k0ALi1XP012505 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm70.ds.mot.com (de01exm70.am.mot.com [10.176.8.26]) by az33exr01.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k0AM0aRx000090 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:00:37 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:42:44 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache Thread-Index: AcYUgqwwmpJv23CTQSGo2t9nn/AfzABqUDNA From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: "Bernard Aboba" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am not sure whether I should post an issue of my own, or respond to the proposal provided by Bernard to resolve this issue. I have two issues with revising the text the way Bernard suggested:=20 1)Why do we mean by "existing implementations" and why does it matter? This document should provide requirements going forward. Is "caching MSK/EMSK" a MUST NOT, a SHOULD NOT, or something else? And why are we making a requirement based on the statement on "existing implementations"? 2) The text requires deleting of a key (I am assuming this includes AMSK) after transport to avoid key reuse. While, Yoshihiro's issue on this text is that he assumes existence of a key holder (KDC) in the architecture.=20 2a) I am not sure why a KDC is better trusted than a AAA layer entity (specifically a AAA client or a AAA server). =20 2b) This means you cannot use EAP keying for bootstrapping keys for a network protocol such as MIP, because after transport to the first entity you must delete it. We did have a discussion on this in last IETF. Unless, you actually move the AMSK to a non-AAA layer entity (such as KDC) you cannot do that. I personally think the KDC should either be a AAA client or in touch with one, if it is to receive keys from the AAA infrastructure. Plus removing keys after transport is really different from not caching them at all (I don't agree with either), as Yoshiro has asked in his issue text. This actually forces people to introduce a KDC in the network. Is that the intention? Thanks, Madjid Text from Yoshihiro The following text in section 2.3 of eap-keying draft talks about not caching the keys at AAA layer, but mostly in terms of AAA servers. I think the text should be revised so that any AAA layer entity including AAA client and AAA proxy does not cache the keys. (Note: I explicitly mention that AAA proxy does not cache the keys as well. This might be related to the ongoing hokey discussion where KDC in the visiting domain is going to be introduced. Having said that, I think that the KDC, which is expected to cache the keys, should be defined outside the AAA layer.) -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 12:38 PM To: eap@frascone.com Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache The text of Issue 323 is available here: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20323 The proposed resolution is as follows: Change the text in Section 2.3 to the following: "AAA Existing AAA client, proxy and server implementations supporting RADIUS/EAP [RFC3579] or Diameter EAP [RFC4072] do not support caching of EAP keying material or parameters. In existing AAA client, proxy and server implementations, exported EAP keying material (MSK, EMSK and IV) as well as parameters and derived keys are not cached and MUST be presumed lost after the AAA exchange completes. In order to avoid key reuse, the AAA layer MUST delete transported keys once they are sent. The AAA layer MUST NOT retain keys that it has previously sent. For example, a AAA layer that has transported the MSK MUST delete it, and keys MUST NOT be derived from the MSK from that point forward." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 16:45:53 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwRJR-0002fP-Fq for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:45:53 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA11542 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B7A43010B for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:45:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43EA430063 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:45:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB7E80C122 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:45:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B9A80C119 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:45:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0ALj9ub016512; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:45:09 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id k0ALjAFQ028611; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:45:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id GAA28577 ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:45:10 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0ALj9SW004988; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:45:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpoa.po.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id k0ALj8Aw009655; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:45:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead ([172.30.24.104]) by mail.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 (built Apr 28 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0ISW00AVYCEJXNK0@mail.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:45:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EwRIA-0003fn-0j; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:44:34 -0800 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:44:32 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework In-reply-to: To: Bernard Aboba Message-id: <20060110214432.GE12771@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline References: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 01:05:01PM -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote: > >In any case, another way is to use multiple (virtual) APs, one > >operating in 'open' authentication running PANA and the other > >operating in 802.11i, and switching from the former AP to the latter > >after PANA authentication. > > That is also forbidden in IEEE 802.11i, which includes the authorizations > as part of the PMKSA context. Therefore it is not permitted to use > authorizations provided for one virtual AP with another virtual AP. The authorization provided for the 'open' authentication AP is given free regardless of the PANA authentication result (the authoriation for this AP is given even before starting PANA authentication). On the other hand, the authorization provided for other APs are given only after successful PANA authentication. So I don't understand what is the issue here. Yoshihiro Ohba _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 16:51:31 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwROs-0004aN-Ed for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:51:31 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA11693 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:50:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16405430101 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6F7430094 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F16C39805A for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate3.mot.com (motgate3.mot.com [144.189.100.103]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E87A398038 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:51:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from az33exr04.mot.com (az33exr04.mot.com [10.64.251.234]) by motgate3.mot.com (8.12.11/Motgate3) with ESMTP id k0AM9Y28017942 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:09:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm70.ds.mot.com (de01exm70.am.mot.com [10.176.8.26]) by az33exr04.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k0ALxv4P001226 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:59:58 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to issue 318: Transient Session Keys Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:49:47 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Proposed Resolution to issue 318: Transient Session Keys Thread-Index: AcYUgkUU0j4w+ZCsQUKeL5/6ieUL0QBrSDvQ From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: "Bernard Aboba" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Same response as that to issue 323 on caching EAP generated keys.=20 Either remove or mention explicitly which implementations (there are counterexamples in the TSK text):=20 "In existing AAA client, proxy and server implementations, exported EAP keying material (MSK, EMSK and IV) as well as parameters and derived keys are not cached and MUST be presumed lost after the AAA exchange completes." Change MUST to SHOULD or MAY:=20 "In order to avoid key reuse, the AAA layer MUST delete transported keys once they are sent. The AAA layer MUST NOT retain keys that it has previously sent. For example, a AAA layer that has transported the MSK MUST delete it, and keys MUST NOT be derived from the MSK from that point forward." Madjid -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 12:34 PM To: eap@frascone.com Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution to issue 318: Transient Session Keys The text of Issue 318 is enclosed below. The proposed resolution is to accept the proposed changes. Issue 318: Transient Session Keys Submitter name: Bernard Aboba Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com Date Submitted: November 30, 2005 Reference: Document: Keying-08 Comment type: T Priority: S Section: 2.3 Rationale/Explanation of issue: There is no section of the document that talks directly about generation of transient session keys. Here is a suggested rewrite of Section 2.3: 2.3 Transient Session Keys Existing EAP lower layers handle the caching of EAP keying material and the generation of transient session keys in different ways: PPP PPP, defined in [RFC1661] does not support caching of EAP keying material or parameters. PPP ciphersuites derive their TSKs directly from the MSK, as described in [RFC2716]. This method is NOT RECOMMENDED, since were PPP to support caching, this could result in stale TSKs. As a result, once the PPP session is terminated, EAP keying material and parameters MUST be discarded. Since caching of EAP keying material is not permitted, within PPP there is no way to handle TSK rekey without EAP re-authentication. Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS) is only possible within PPP if the negotiated EAP method supports this. IKEv2 IKEv2, defined in [IKEv2] only uses EAP keying material for authentication purposes and not key derivation. As a result, the keying material derived within IKEv2 is independent of the EAP keying material and rekey of IPsec SAs can be handled without requiring EAP re-authentiation. Since generation of keying material is independent of EAP, within IKEv2 it is possible to negotiate PFS, regardless of the EAP method that is used. IKEv2 does not cache EAP keying material or parameters, nor does it utilize the EAP Key-Lifetime parameter to determine the lifetime of IPsec SAs. As result, once IKEv2 authentication completes it is assumed that EAP keying material and parameters are discarded. IEEE 802.11i IEEE 802.11i enables caching of the MSK, but not the EMSK, IV, Peer-ID, Server-ID, or Session-ID. More details are about the structure of the cache are available in [IEEE-802.11i]. In IEEE 802.11i, TSKs are derived from the MSK using the 4-way handshake, which includes a nonce exchange. This guarantees TSK freshness even if the MSK is reused. The 4-way handshake also enables TSK rekey without EAP re-authentication. PFS is only possible within IEEE 802.11i if the negotiated EAP method supports this. IEEE 802.1X-2004 IEEE 802.1X-2004, defined in [IEEE-802.1X-2004] does not support caching of EAP keying material or parameters. Therefore once EAP authentication completes, it is assumed that EAP keying material and parameters are discarded. IEEE 802.16e IEEE 802.16e, defined in [IEEE-802.16e] supports caching of the MSK, but not the EMSK, IV, Peer-ID, Server-ID or Session-ID. In IEEE 802.16e, TSKs are generated by the authenticator without any contribution by the peer. The TSKs are encrypted, authenticated and integrity protected using the MSK. As a result, TSK rekey is possible without EAP re-authentication. PFS is not possible even if the negotiated EAP method supports it. AAA Existing AAA implementations supporting RADIUS/EAP [RFC3579] or Diameter EAP [RFC4072] do not support caching of EAP keying material or parameters. In existing AAA client, proxy and server implementations, exported EAP keying material (MSK, EMSK and IV) as well as parameters and derived keys are not cached and MUST be presumed lost after the AAA exchange completes. In order to avoid key reuse, the AAA layer MUST delete transported keys once they are sent. The AAA layer MUST NOT retain keys that it has previously sent. For example, a AAA layer that has transported the MSK MUST delete it, and keys MUST NOT be derived from the MSK from that point forward." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 16:56:31 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwRTj-0005w0-3x for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:56:31 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA12131 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2234300FA for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:56:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E550C430063 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9BB398062 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate7.mot.com (motgate7.mot.com [129.188.136.7]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECCD398060 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:56:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from az33exr02.mot.com ([10.64.251.232]) by motgate7.mot.com (8.12.11/Motgate7) with ESMTP id k0AMMn2d000849 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:22:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm70.ds.mot.com (de01exm70.am.mot.com [10.176.8.26]) by az33exr02.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k0AM68km018911 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:06:08 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 314: AAA-Key Confusion Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:54:53 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 314: AAA-Key Confusion Thread-Index: AcYUggSlsdTwy4MmQ1qCx47fzYo4tgBrgy6A From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: "Bernard Aboba" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Other parts of text seems to rightfully imply that the keys are transported at the AAA layer, i.e. from AAA server through possibly AAA proxies to AAA client, so why are we saying "transported from the EAP server to the authenticator"?? Should say "AAA server to the AAA client" or "from the home AAA server to the authenticator through the AAA client". Madjid -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 12:31 PM To: eap@frascone.com Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 314: AAA-Key Confusion The text of Issue 314 is available here: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20314 The Proposed Resolution is as follows: In Section 2.1, change: " An additional step (phase 1b) is required in deployments which include a backend authentication server, in order to transport keying material from the backend authentication server to the authenticator. In order to obey the principle of Mode Independence, where a backend server is present AAA Key transport needs to provide the exported EAP keying material and/or derived keys required for derivation of the TSKs. Since existing TSK derivation techniques depend solely on the MSK, in existing AAA implementations, this is the only keying material replicated in the AAA key transport phase 1b. " To: " An additional step (phase 1b) is required in deployments which include a backend authentication server, in order to transport keying material from the backend authentication server to the authenticator. In order to obey the principle of Mode Independence, where a backend server is present, all keying material which us required by the lower layer needs to be transported from the EAP server to the authenticator. Since existing TSK derivation techniques depend solely on the MSK, in existing implementations, this is the only keying material replicated in the AAA key transport phase 1b. " _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 16:58:24 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwRVY-0006gN-Kb for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:58:24 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA12287 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B094300A9 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:58:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6302A4300A7 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:58:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D7880C105 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:58:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f8.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.18]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FD880C108 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:58:08 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:58:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [131.107.0.73] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: Madjid.Nakhjiri@motorola.com, eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:58:08 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 21:58:08.0652 (UTC) FILETIME=[F12394C0:01C61630] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com >1)Why do we mean by "existing implementations" and why does it matter? The focus of this work item is on describing the behavior of RFC 3748, 4072 and 3579 implementations. >This document should provide requirements going forward. Is "caching >MSK/EMSK" a MUST NOT, a SHOULD NOT, or something else? Caching of MSK/EMSK is a MUST NOT for RFC 4072 and 3579 implementations. >2) The text requires deleting of a key (I am assuming this includes >AMSK) after transport to avoid key reuse. The text refers to any key that is transported, so yes it would also apply to an AMSK. This follows from the security assumptions and AAA Key Management requirements. Unless those requirements are met, this document will not be approved by the IESG. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 17:02:34 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwRZa-0007Mx-OA for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:02:34 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12559 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FD54300FF for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:02:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A488F430063 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A13398056 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f10.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.20]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04750398053 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:02:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:02:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [131.107.0.73] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: Madjid.Nakhjiri@motorola.com, eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 314: AAA-Key Confusion Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:02:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 22:02:13.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[82F4AEC0:01C61631] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com >Other parts of text seems to rightfully imply that the keys are >transported at the AAA layer, i.e. from AAA server through possibly AAA >proxies to AAA client, so why are we saying "transported from the EAP >server to the authenticator"?? Transport from the EAP server to the EAP authenticator is required for mode independence. In this instance the AAA protocol is only a mechanism to enable that transport. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 18:25:08 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwSrP-0006eR-HW for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:25:08 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA18719 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4896B430122 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE33430063 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42228398038 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21071398053 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:24:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from wall11.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.90.149]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0ANOiub016936; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:24:44 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by wall11.toshiba.co.jp id k0ANPKJa024853; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:25:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp11.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.90.148] by wall11.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id JAA24804; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:25:19 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp11.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0ANOhcP027589; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:24:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpoa.po.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id k0ANOhie025497; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:24:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead ([172.30.24.104]) by mail.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 (built Apr 28 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0ISW00CNDH0UYW00@mail.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:24:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EwSqk-0003vl-1j; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:24:22 -0800 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:24:21 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework In-reply-to: To: "Walker, Jesse" Message-id: <20060110232421.GF12771@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline References: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Jesse, On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 01:42:38PM -0800, Walker, Jesse wrote: > > " > > Upon successful completion of the 4-Way Handshake, the Authenticator > > and Supplicant have authenticated each other; and the IEEE 802.1X > > Controlled Ports are unblocked to permit general data traffic. > > " > > > > - What is the definition of "general data traffic"? > [Walker, Jesse] General data traffic are MSDUs received through the > UNITDATA.request interface that have an Ethertype different from 802.1X. (This should have been clearly stated in the specification.) > > > > - The above text does not say anything about whether any data frame > > other than 802.1X messages is not allowed to pass through uncontrolled > > port. > [Walker, Jesse] You can find the answer reading 802.1X Clause 8. The > answer is no. All data traffic passes through the control port. The > uncontrolled port passes only frames of Ethertype 802.1X. I read clause 8 of 802.1aa-D6.1 (sorry, I don't have the latest 802.1X draft standard), but I was not able to find the description on the behavior you answered. I rather found the following text in clause 6.4 of 802.1aa-D6.1: " It is expected that most protocol exchanges conducted by other functions of the System will make use of one or more of the System's controlled Ports. However, a given protocol may need to bypass the authorization function and make use of the uncontrolled Port. " I also found several descriptions in Appendix C of 802.1aa-D6.1 on allowing DHCP traffic to be forwarded to unauthenticated VLAN after authentication failure. Isn't the DHCP traffic in this case passing throuth the uncontrolled port? Regards, Yoshihiro Ohba > > > > > Yoshihiro Ohba > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Yoshihiro Ohba [mailto:yohba@tari.toshiba.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:47 PM > > > > To: Walker, Jesse > > > > Cc: Yoshihiro Ohba; Bernard Aboba; eap@frascone.com > > > > Subject: Re: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework > > > > > > > > Jesse, > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:30:58PM -0800, Walker, Jesse wrote: > > > > > Yoshihiro > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think 802.11i prohibits any IP traffic to pass throuth > > > > > > uncontrolled port before 4-way handshake. In fact, there is a > > > > > > description in section 5.4.2.2 of IEEE 802.11i 2004 > specification: > > > > > [Walker, Jesse] This is not true. 802.1X frames are the only > type of > > > > > data 802.11i allows to pass over the link prior to key > confirmation. > > > IP > > > > > traffic is not encapsulated with the 802.1X Ethertype, so is > > > expressly > > > > > blocked. > > > > > > > > Can you point out which text in the 802.11i specification states > this > > > > specific behavior? How can we interpret the quoted text in > section > > > > 5.4.2.2? > > > > > > > > In any case, another way is to use multiple (virtual) APs, one > > > > operating in 'open' authentication running PANA and the other > > > > operating in 802.11i, and switching from the former AP to the > latter > > > > after PANA authentication. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Yoshihiro Ohba > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 18:28:00 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwSuD-000774-U3 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:28:00 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA18907 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30724300FD for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457D2430082 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:27:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CC080C104 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:27:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7593F80C11F for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:27:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [85.97.3.104] (helo=sysadmin13c23c) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1EwSti0dHR-0000yu; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:27:31 -0500 From: "Alper Yegin" To: "'Bernard Aboba'" , Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 311: EAP and Authorization Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:27:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-index: AcYUgSwbti4UvE9RSJumvTEcJYQwwgBudTyA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1EwSti0dHR-0000yu@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:abf7a4bb310ea4dfc9b6841113e2970f X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > To: > > "The EAP server also stores the peer's identity as well as other > information > associated with it. This information may be used to determine whether > access > to some service should be granted. Do we really have to say this last sentence? It is mixing up authentication (what EAP server does) with authorization (what, e.g., RADIUS server does). Alper > The peer > stores information necessary to choose which secret to use for which > service. > > If authentication is based on proof of possession of the private key > corresponding to the public key contained within a certificate, the > parties store the EAP method to be used and the trust anchors used to > validate the certificates. The EAP server also stores the peer's > identity and the peer stores information > necessary to choose which certificate to use for which service." > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 10 18:29:17 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwSvV-0007Gp-Sp for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:29:17 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA18957 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A594300A8 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2307430094 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B540639805A for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.um.es (mail.um.es [155.54.212.109]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0F7398036 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E0923C9DE; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:28:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.um.es ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (xenon2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01596-01-60; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:28:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from [207.3.232.114] (dibulibu.um.es [155.54.1.250]) by mail.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0519623C927; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:27:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43C4433D.7090004@dif.um.es> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:29:01 -0500 From: Rafa Marin Lopez Organization: University of Murcia User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050727) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Walker, Jesse" Subject: Re: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at telemat.um.es X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Jesse Only a short question for clarification. As Yoshi has commented in section 5.4.2.2 in 802.11i we can find: " IEEE 802.1X Supplicants and Authenticators exchange protocol information via the IEEE 802.1X Uncontrolled Port. It is expected that most other protocol exchanges will make use of the IEEE 802.1X Controlled Ports. However, a given protocol may need to bypass the authorization function and make use of the IEEE 802.1X Uncontrolled Port. " Then when we read "However, a given protocol may need to bypass the authorization function and make use of the IEEE 802.1X Uncontrolled Port." we should understand "a given protocol" as only 802.1X frames , right? Regards. Walker, Jesse wrote: >There are numerous places, but you can start with clause 5.9.2.1, which >gives an expository overview of the process. > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Yoshihiro Ohba [mailto:yohba@tari.toshiba.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:47 PM >>To: Walker, Jesse >>Cc: Yoshihiro Ohba; Bernard Aboba; eap@frascone.com >>Subject: Re: [eap] PANA and EAP keying framework >> >>Jesse, >> >>On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:30:58PM -0800, Walker, Jesse wrote: >> >> >>>Yoshihiro >>> >>> >>> >>>>I don't think 802.11i prohibits any IP traffic to pass throuth >>>>uncontrolled port before 4-way handshake. In fact, there is a >>>>description in section 5.4.2.2 of IEEE 802.11i 2004 specification: >>>> >>>> >>>[Walker, Jesse] This is not true. 802.1X frames are the only type of >>>data 802.11i allows to pass over the link prior to key confirmation. >>> >>> >IP > > >>>traffic is not encapsulated with the 802.1X Ethertype, so is >>> >>> >expressly > > >>>blocked. >>> >>> >>Can you point out which text in the 802.11i specification states this >>specific behavior? How can we interpret the quoted text in section >>5.4.2.2? >> >>In any case, another way is to use multiple (virtual) APs, one >>operating in 'open' authentication running PANA and the other >>operating in 802.11i, and switching from the former AP to the latter >>after PANA authentication. >> >>Regards, >>Yoshihiro Ohba >> >> >_________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ Rafael Marin Lopez Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia 30071 Murcia - Spain Telf: +34968367645 e-mail: rafa@dif.um.es ------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From wnbullm@tahari.com Tue Jan 10 22:27:37 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwWe9-0005LX-Om for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:27:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA06673 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from static-70-107-254-106.ny325.east.verizon.net ([70.107.254.106]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwWkx-0003Lt-JZ for eap-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:34:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:27:17 -0800 Message-ID: <82037f250b2.82037f250b263dedce813@tahari.com> To: eap-archive@ietf.org Subject: Re[5]: From: "Harmon Burt" X-Sender: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C616C2.34169700-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 05:21:43 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewd6t-0003ao-Ht for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:21:43 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA29850 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3878A430117 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:21:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1561430048 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3B280C006 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915A980C118 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:21:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04B4898E9; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:21:16 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43C4DC39.4030709@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:21:45 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 314: AAA-Key Confusion References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks ok. s/us/is/ Bernard Aboba wrote: > The text of Issue 314 is available here: > http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20314 > > The Proposed Resolution is as follows: > > In Section 1.2, change: > > "AAA-Key > A key derived by the peer and EAP server, used by the peer and > authenticator in the derivation of Transient Session Keys (TSKs). > Where a backend authentication server is present, the AAA-Key is > transported from the backend authentication server to the > authenticator. In existing usage, the AAA-Key is always derived > from the MSK and so can be referred to using the MSK name. AAA-Key > = MSK(0,63)." > > To: > > "AAA-Key > The term "AAA-Key" is synonymous with MSK." > > In Section 2.1, change: > > " An additional step (phase 1b) is required in deployments which > include a backend authentication server, in order to transport keying > material from the backend authentication server to the authenticator. > In order to obey the principle of Mode Independence, where a backend > server is present AAA Key transport needs to provide the exported EAP > keying material and/or derived keys required for derivation of the > TSKs. Since existing TSK derivation techniques depend solely on the > MSK, in existing AAA implementations, this is the only keying > material replicated in the AAA key transport phase 1b. " > > To: > > " An additional step (phase 1b) is required in deployments which > include a backend authentication server, in order to transport keying > material from the backend authentication server to the authenticator. > In order to obey the principle of Mode Independence, where a backend > server is present, all keying material which us required by the lower > layer needs to > be transported from the EAP server to the authenticator. > Since existing TSK derivation techniques depend solely on the > MSK, in existing implementations, this is the only keying > material replicated in the AAA key transport phase 1b. " > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 05:22:32 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewd7g-00043p-FS for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:22:32 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA29915 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C28430115 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:22:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088EE430048 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F109C80C117 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FA680C006 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B5A898E9; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:22:16 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43C4DC76.1090601@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:22:46 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 315: Ciphersuites and Key Lengths References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok. Bernard Aboba wrote: > The text of Issue 315 is available here: > http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20315 > > The proposed resolution is as follows: > > Within Section 1.4.4 change: > > " Ciphersuite Independence is a consequence of the principles of Mode > Independence and Media Independence." > > To: > > "Ciphersuite Independence is a requirement for Media Independence. > Since lower > layer ciphersuites vary between media, media independence requires that > EAP keying material needs to be large enough (with sufficient entropy) to > handle any ciphersuite." > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 05:23:51 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewd8x-00050p-Oa for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:23:51 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA29992 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734CA430115 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8994430048 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D03F80C116 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14CE80C006 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA8F898E9; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:23:30 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43C4DCC1.1090208@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:01 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 316: Counter Length References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok. Bernard Aboba wrote: > The text of Issue 316 is available here: > http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20316 > > The Proposed Resolution is as follows: > > The proposed resolution is as follows: > > In Section 5.8, change: > > "Lower Layer > The lower layer Secure Association Protocol MUST generate a fresh > session key for each session, even if the keying material and > parameters provided by EAP methods are cached, or the peer or > authenticator lacks a high entropy random number generator. A > RECOMMENDED method is for the peer and authenticator to each > provide a nonce or counter of at least 128 bits, used in session > key derivation. " > > To: > > "Lower Layer > The lower layer Secure Association Protocol MUST generate a fresh > session key for each session, even if the keying material and > parameters provided by EAP methods are cached, or the peer or > authenticator lack a high entropy random number generator. A > RECOMMENDED method is for the peer and authenticator to each > provide a nonce or counter used in session key derivation. > If a nonce is used, it is RECOMMENDED that it be at least 128 bits." > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 05:52:51 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewdb1-0004hp-Cq for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:52:51 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA01611 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7604300EE for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:52:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D00E430048 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335A880C116 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD5080C10E for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A597898E9; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:52:35 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43C4E392.9050800@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:53:06 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] Proposed Resolution to issue 318: Transient Session Keys References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is mostly OK, but I have a few problems below: > the EAP method that is used. IKEv2 does not cache EAP keying > material or parameters, nor does it utilize the EAP Key-Lifetime > parameter to determine the lifetime of IPsec SAs. As result, > once IKEv2 authentication completes it is assumed that > EAP keying material and parameters are discarded. Hmm. This seems a bit problematic to me. In current AAA, we do not have separate MSK and session lifetime attributes; we just have one lifetime attribute. The description above focuses only on the key lifetime aspects. But I would actually like a security gateway to limit the lifetime of the SAs to Session-Timeout in RADIUS, even if the lifetime can not be communicated to the client. > In order to avoid key reuse, the AAA layer MUST delete transported > keys once they are sent. The AAA layer MUST NOT retain keys that > it has previously sent. For example, a AAA > layer that has transported the MSK MUST delete it, and keys MUST > NOT be derived from the MSK from that point forward." I believe we discussed this a bit in IETF-64 hokey bar bof. The conclusion seemed to be that there are scenarios where you need to deliver a symmetric key to two network elements from AAA, and that we should support them. The requirement in above text is more suited to cases where the EAP-derived keys are used between the client and a single network element. So, should we say something that allows delivery of a key to one or more parties, and only then deleting it? OTOH, in the practical cases that I have seen for such symmetric keys would have been better served by AAA-generated random key than anything that has to do with EAP. --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 05:54:39 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewdcl-0005Cg-No for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:54:39 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA01671 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:53:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3194300FD for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:54:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04FE7430048 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:54:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F2B80C116 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:54:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E854980C119 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC64898E9; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:54:17 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43C4E3F7.7020303@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:54:47 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 319: Requirement on transport of EAP Keying Materia References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok. Bernard Aboba wrote: > The text of Issue 319 is available here: > http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20319 > > The Proposed Resolution is as follows: > > In Section 2.2, delete: > > "In order to prevent the compromise of > transported EAP keying material and parameters, the AAA client and > EAP authenticator MUST be co-resident." > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 05:55:26 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwddW-0005KF-1r for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:55:26 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA01750 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A915543010F for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754A04300A5 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:54:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E8F80C116 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:54:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88AF80C10E for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:54:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE4A898EA; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:54:37 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43C4E40C.1000302@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:55:08 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 321: IV References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok. Bernard Aboba wrote: > The text of Issue 321 is available here: > http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20321 > > The proposed resolution is as follows: > > Section 1.3: > > In Figure 1, add (Deprecated) to the IV Derivation box and > (Optional) to the IV arrow. > > Section 1.3.1 > > Change: > > "MSK, EMSK and IV Names" > > To: > > "MSK and EMSK names" > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From ryan_panos@abbeysupholstery.com Wed Jan 11 07:20:50 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EweyA-0004RX-Ij for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:20:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA06995 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [60.48.89.198] (helo=localhost) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ewf4y-0000bC-GI for eap-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:27:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c616d3$641a6600$0100007f@localhost> From: "Wesley Stewart" To: Subject: Buy OEM Software Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:20:25 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C616D3.641A6600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 093efd19b5f651b2707595638f6c4003 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C616D3.641A6600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable.TOP.10.NEW.TITLES.ON.SALE.NOW!.1.Office.Pro.2003.2.Adobe.Photoshop.9.0.3.Windows.XP.Pro.4.Adobe.Acrobat.7.Pro.5.Flash.MX.2004.6.Corel.Draw.12.7.Norton.Antivirus.2005.8.Windows.2003.Se ListPrice: $550.00 OurPrice: $69.95 YouSave: $480.05 ( 87%) Availability: Available for INSTANT download! 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C616D3.641A6600-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 09:00:40 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwgWl-00027O-VR for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:00:40 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA14228 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4C8430115 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:00:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E59C43008F for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0AD80C115 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598FB80C114 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from wall11.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.90.149]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0BE0Jub015849; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:00:19 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by wall11.toshiba.co.jp id k0BE0ssw011816; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:00:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp11.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.90.148] by wall11.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id ZAA11775; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:00:54 +0900 Received: from mx2.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp11.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0BE0ImM025056; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:00:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpoa.po.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id k0BE0HDR005702; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:00:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead ([172.30.24.104]) by mail.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 (built Apr 28 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0ISX00EKNLKCH530@mail.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:00:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EwgW3-0004eR-N2; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:59:55 -0800 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:59:55 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 314: AAA-Key Confusion In-reply-to: To: Bernard Aboba Message-id: <20060111135955.GA17574@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline References: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 10:31:05AM -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote: > The text of Issue 314 is available here: > http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20314 > > The Proposed Resolution is as follows: > > In Section 1.2, change: > > "AAA-Key > A key derived by the peer and EAP server, used by the peer and > authenticator in the derivation of Transient Session Keys (TSKs). > Where a backend authentication server is present, the AAA-Key is > transported from the backend authentication server to the > authenticator. In existing usage, the AAA-Key is always derived > from the MSK and so can be referred to using the MSK name. AAA-Key > = MSK(0,63)." > > To: > > "AAA-Key > The term "AAA-Key" is synonymous with MSK." This does not work for draft-ohba-eap-aaakey-binding-01 where AAA-Key = KDF(MSK, AAA-Key-name|key-binding-blob). Yoshihiro Ohba > > In Section 2.1, change: > > " An additional step (phase 1b) is required in deployments which > include a backend authentication server, in order to transport keying > material from the backend authentication server to the authenticator. > In order to obey the principle of Mode Independence, where a backend > server is present AAA Key transport needs to provide the exported EAP > keying material and/or derived keys required for derivation of the > TSKs. Since existing TSK derivation techniques depend solely on the > MSK, in existing AAA implementations, this is the only keying > material replicated in the AAA key transport phase 1b. " > > To: > > " An additional step (phase 1b) is required in deployments which > include a backend authentication server, in order to transport keying > material from the backend authentication server to the authenticator. > In order to obey the principle of Mode Independence, where a backend > server is present, all keying material which us required by the lower > layer needs to > be transported from the EAP server to the authenticator. > Since existing TSK derivation techniques depend solely on the > MSK, in existing implementations, this is the only keying > material replicated in the AAA key transport phase 1b. " > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 10:09:08 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewhb2-0005s1-3k for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:09:08 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA18964 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A750A430114 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:09:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0376C43008F for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:08:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE8180C0F2 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com (ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.196]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7D680C006 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:08:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BBF0AEE404; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:08:47 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "David Mitton" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:08:46 -0500 Received: from [10.100.100.54] by ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for david@mitton.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:08:46 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 10.100.100.54 X-Originating-Server: ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060111150847.BBF0AEE404@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Subject: [eap] 801.1x wired testing? X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is difficult to figure out with many features like this not well docum= ented in marketing datasheets, so I'd thought to toss it to this list: If one desired to test 801.X _wired_ EAP support,=20 what would be some of the most _inexpensive_ devices you could obtain these= days? (ie. I don't want to buy a $nK rack device just for testing) You can reply off list, if you wish. Dave. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 10:51:02 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwiFa-0003Me-H1 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:51:02 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA21539 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466304300E2 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:51:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55AE643008F for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459B039805E for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF2839801C for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EF4898E9; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:50:40 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43C5296E.2000104@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:51:10 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] Review of EAP MAKE Type Allocation Request References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bernard Aboba wrote > Given that a Type Code has already been allocated to EAP MAKE, a > request for an additional Type Code allocation for the same protocol > would represent a "block allocation" as described in RFC 3748, I agree that this is confusing. We can't have the same know, or we'll never figure out later what is going on. From a quick review of draft-berrendo and draft-vanderveen, however, it seems that these are different protocols. If Michaela submitted her draft and request under a different name (say, EAP Flarion MAKE), would that remove this particular problem? --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 11:43:32 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewj4O-0002fe-F1 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:43:32 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA25260 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB3E4300CD for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27B343008F for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CEA80C117 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate8.mot.com (motgate8.mot.com [129.188.136.8]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5EA80C10F for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:43:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from il06exr03.mot.com (il06exr03.mot.com [129.188.137.133]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motgate7) with ESMTP id k0BGusJV026019 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:56:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm70.ds.mot.com (de01exm70.am.mot.com [10.176.8.26]) by il06exr03.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k0BGu7or023703 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:56:08 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 314: AAA-Key Confusion Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:41:37 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 314: AAA-Key Confusion Thread-Index: AcYWMYdTsa8CMPH/RY2O9ZiR8rESEAAm5rJQ From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: "Bernard Aboba" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am struggling to understand the minimum logical functionality of pass-through authentictor, does it include receiving keys from EAP server? If AAA protocol is the only mechanism, then it is the AAA client that receives the keys, not the authenticator.=20 I look at both EAP RFC 3748 and EAP keying and I only find:=20 "authenticator The end of the link initiating EAP authentication. The term authenticator is used in [IEEE-802.1X], and has the same meaning in this document." Which does not include receiving keys. If a keying architecture has a KDC that needs to receive a key such as MSK from the EAP server (and later act as a key holder), would it have to be colocated with the authenticator? Or it only needs to have AAA client functionality? I would think the latter.=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:02 PM To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 314: AAA-Key Confusion >Other parts of text seems to rightfully imply that the keys are=20 >transported at the AAA layer, i.e. from AAA server through possibly AAA >proxies to AAA client, so why are we saying "transported from the EAP=20 >server to the authenticator"?? Transport from the EAP server to the EAP authenticator is required for mode independence. In this instance the AAA protocol is only a mechanism to enable that transport. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 11:57:13 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwjHc-0008V4-VM for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:57:13 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA26558 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BD443013E for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:57:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E3A4300BD for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:56:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A56680C114 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:56:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [144.189.100.101]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A002680C105 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from az33exr01.mot.com (az33exr01.mot.com [10.64.251.231]) by motgate2.mot.com (8.12.11/Motgate2) with ESMTP id k0BHEfKu023425 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:14:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm70.ds.mot.com (de01exm70.am.mot.com [10.176.8.26]) by az33exr01.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k0BHDSHW015691 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:13:29 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:55:32 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache Thread-Index: AcYWMQBcwWns5kHcQYKuU62k56likwAnOXJA From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: "Bernard Aboba" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If caching of MSK/EMSK is a MUST NOT for 4072 and 3579 and not for 3748, then why don't we state it so? And why do we make the caching a MUST NOT in a general case? Also, if the focus is document the existing behavior of the 3 RFCs below, rather than providing guidance for future uses of EAP keying, then the document should not state: "This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the Internet community,..." On the front page.=20 Because the way it is, it is not very accommodating for future uses of EAP keying framework. Having to remove the cache of a key after transport of say from AAA server to AAA client, will not allow the AAA server to use that key for further keying. A simple example is if you want to bootstrap a key for two agents, each of them behind one separate AAA client (take an AR and an HA in MIPv6 example),=20 Agent 1<--AAA client1<------AAA server---->AAA client 2---->agent 2 if you have RADIUS and move the key based on the request from one client, you have to delete it, then you cannot send it to the second AAA client.=20 Is there anywhere in the AAA key management requirement that says AAA server cannot be trusted with the keys? Madjid -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:58 PM To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache >1)Why do we mean by "existing implementations" and why does it matter? The focus of this work item is on describing the behavior of RFC 3748, 4072 and 3579 implementations. >This document should provide requirements going forward. Is "caching=20 >MSK/EMSK" a MUST NOT, a SHOULD NOT, or something else? Caching of MSK/EMSK is a MUST NOT for RFC 4072 and 3579 implementations. >2) The text requires deleting of a key (I am assuming this includes >AMSK) after transport to avoid key reuse. The text refers to any key that is transported, so yes it would also apply to an AMSK. This follows from the security assumptions and AAA Key Management requirements. 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----TLLoJpRCDqLDUGIxkT-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 12:27:03 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwjkU-0003yh-Rq for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:27:03 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28594 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58CD84300BC for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:27:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE91A430077 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:26:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D0A80C11A for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:26:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f33.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.43]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A4D80C117 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:26:33 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:26:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.182.139.247] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43C4E392.9050800@piuha.net> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: jari.arkko@piuha.net Subject: Re: [eap] Proposed Resolution to issue 318: IKEv2 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:26:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 17:26:33.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AB87F90:01C616D4] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com >>the EAP method that is used. IKEv2 does not cache EAP keying >>material or parameters, nor does it utilize the EAP Key-Lifetime >>parameter to determine the lifetime of IPsec SAs. As result, >>once IKEv2 authentication completes it is assumed that >>EAP keying material and parameters are discarded. > >Hmm. This seems a bit problematic to me. In current AAA, >we do not have separate MSK and session lifetime attributes; >we just have one lifetime attribute. The description above >focuses only on the key lifetime aspects. But I would actually >like a security gateway to limit the lifetime of the SAs to >Session-Timeout in RADIUS, even if the lifetime can not be >communicated to the client. The above paragraph is referring only to the Key-Lifetime parameter exported by EAP methods, not to the Session-Timeout attribute. With VPN, Session-Timeout is used to limit the VPN session time. However, the point is that in this case Session-Timeout does not represent the MSK lifetime, which is zero (e.g. MSK is not cached). Potential rewrite: the EAP method that is used. IKEv2 does not cache EAP keying material or parameters. As result, once IKEv2 authentication completes it is assumed that EAP keying material and parameters are discarded. The Session-Timeout attribute is therefore interpretted as a limit on the VPN session time, rather than an indication of the MSK key lifetime. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 12:38:34 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewjve-00054n-Je for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:38:34 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29208 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C80430163 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:38:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2014300A5 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:38:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED6839801F for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:38:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f3.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.13]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0879F398059 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:38:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:38:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.182.139.247] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43C5296E.2000104@piuha.net> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: jari.arkko@piuha.net Subject: Re: [eap] Review of EAP MAKE Type Allocation Request Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:38:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 17:38:13.0170 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBEBA120:01C616D5] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com >If Michaela submitted her draft and request under a different name (say, >EAP Flarion MAKE), would that remove this particular problem? I'm told that the authors have chose to rename the protocol EAP-SAKE. That does take care of this issue (although the renamed document would still need to go through Expert Review). _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 12:52:36 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewk9E-0002cM-PO for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:52:36 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA00113 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610F843019F for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:52:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C35F43008F for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:52:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E95980C117 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:52:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA3880C115 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:52:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0DFA898E8; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:52:14 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43C545ED.40102@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:52:45 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] Proposed Resolution to issue 318: IKEv2 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > The above paragraph is referring only to the Key-Lifetime parameter > exported by EAP methods, not to the Session-Timeout attribute. With > VPN, Session-Timeout is used to limit the VPN session time. However, > the point is that in this case Session-Timeout does not represent the > MSK lifetime, which is zero (e.g. MSK is not cached). Yes. OK. > Potential rewrite: > > the EAP method that is used. IKEv2 does not cache EAP keying > material or parameters. As result, > once IKEv2 authentication completes it is assumed that > EAP keying material and parameters are discarded. > The Session-Timeout attribute is therefore interpretted as a > limit on the VPN session time, rather than an indication of the > MSK key lifetime. Works for me. s/etted/eted/, I think. --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 14:19:33 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwlVN-00011r-ND for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:19:33 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA04815 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9069B430137 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:19:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0334343004F for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E378C80C114 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.flarion.com (mail.flarion.com [63.103.94.23]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C6B80C118 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ftmailserver.flariontech.com ([10.10.1.140]) by mail.flarion.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:19:07 -0500 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Review of EAP MAKE Type Allocation Request X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:19:11 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Review of EAP MAKE Type Allocation Request Thread-Index: AcYW1dci2EbvPUB1QxeZ4bhoy4GGIQADcs1w From: "Vanderveen, Michaela" To: "Bernard Aboba" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 19:19:07.0668 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4AEB540:01C616E3] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >If Michaela submitted her draft and request under a different name = (say,=20 >EAP Flarion MAKE), would that remove this particular problem? 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If you are not the intended recipient please contact the = sender and delete all copies. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From nanaravenscr@insead.fr Wed Jan 11 14:59:26 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewm7x-0004Ty-QN for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:59:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA08234 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [82.155.61.233] (helo=insead.fr) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwmEr-0005lA-8H for eap-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:06:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c616e9$795d5a70$cb27a8c0@neurotic> Reply-To: "Nana Ravenscroft" From: "Nana Ravenscroft" To: "Fredrik Baier" Subject: Re: proliferate unasked Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:59:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C616BF.90875270" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d16ce744298aacf98517bc7c108bd198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C616BF.90875270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 http://www.honiaris.com =20 X V C S V A a I I o A m n A A m L b a G L a I i x R I =20 U e =20 A S =20 M n $ $ $ $ =20 $ 1 3 3 1 $ 2 , , , , 1 , 4 7 7 1 , 8 2 5 5 2 2 9 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C616BF.90875270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C616BF.90875270-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 19:14:57 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewq7F-0003Ry-K7 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:14:57 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA29285 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70B443011A for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:14:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC72430077 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C297398052 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB1C39805D for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:14:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from az33exr03.mot.com (az33exr03.mot.com [10.64.251.233]) by motgate.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate) with ESMTP id k0C0EeF9022583 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:14:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm70.ds.mot.com (de01exm70.am.mot.com [10.176.8.26]) by az33exr03.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k0C0R8iC003324 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:27:09 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA Key Caching effectively prohibited? Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:13:20 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA Key Caching effectively prohibited? Thread-Index: AcXiaiY27Atkwl0sSQimO0NwGMwbgg0oivpA From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: "Jari Arkko" , "Bernard Aboba" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com, aboba@internaut.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Question: Does EAP keying allow sending keys to an entity other than the initial authenticator, e.g. another AAA client or a key holder?=20 Or Does the EAP keying framework that prohibits keys being sent to an entity other than the initial authenticator? Thanks, Madjid -----Original Message----- From: Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:34 PM To: Bernard Aboba Cc: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; aboba@internaut.com; eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] RE: Issue: AAA Key Caching effectively prohibited? Bernard Aboba wrote: > Under Joe's proposal, an AMSK created during the original exchange can > be cached in the AAA server. One way that "Key Request" could work=20 > would be for the EAP peer to request that a key be sent to the new=20 > authenticator. It would make this request by contacting the new=20 > authenticator, which would generate a AAA request. The EAP peer would=20 > mutually authenticate to the AAA server, demonstrate possession of the > cached AMSK, and then request that a key derived from that AMSK be > sent to the new EAP authenticator. Via the AAA request the new EAP=20 > authenticator would mutually authenticate to the AAA Server. > > So we have: > > a. Authentication of parties: EAP peer- AAA server; EAP=20 > authenticator - EAP server; EAP peer-authenticator (through a=20 > subsequent SAP exchange) > > b. Freshness. Presumably the EAP peer - AAA server exchange includes=20 > nonces exchanged by both parties to ensure freshness of the derived=20 > keys. Also the SAP exchange would include a nonce exchange. > > c. "Channel binding": The EAP peer requests that a key be sent via=20 > the entity that it wants the key sent to. The new authenticator=20 > identifies itself to the AAA server, allowing the EAP peer and AAA=20 > server to verify that it is telling the same information to both the=20 > AAA server and EAP peer. I like this. What do we need to make this possible in the keying framework? - Say EMSK is kept in method layer - Possibly say that EMSK can be deleted after AAA has made its declaration of what application keys its going to need (assuming we always know what applications are authorized a priori - but I think that's a good assumption). - Clarify the caching and parent death rules for AMSks. --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 11 20:00:05 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewqov-0007QY-O9 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:00:05 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA01846 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AA04300D2 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90927430077 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:59:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF6D80C113 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:59:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (omr1.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.51]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9503E80C0F4 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:59:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10309 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 00:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail4) (205.178.146.50) by omr1.mgt.bos.netsol.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 00:59:45 -0000 Received: from 69.109.126.164 (unverified [69.109.126.164]) by webmail4 (VisualOffice 4.01) with WEBMAIL id 24190; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:59:45 +0000 From: "Renwei Li" To: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" , "Jari Arkko" , "Bernard Aboba" Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mintersoft VisualOffice, Build 4.01.1003 X-Originating-IP: [69.109.126.164] Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:59:45 +0000 Subject: Re: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA Key Caching effectively prohibited? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.531 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com, aboba@internaut.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If we do so, we are effectively creating a scenario (Authenticated-)Man-in-the-Middle? Sounds familiar? Regards, Renwei >-----Original Message----- >From: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 [mailto:Madjid.Nakhjiri@motorola.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 07:13 PM >To: 'Jari Arkko', 'Bernard Aboba' >Cc: eap@frascone.com, aboba@internaut.com >Subject: RE: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA Key Caching effectively prohibited? > >Question: Does EAP keying allow sending keys to an entity other than the >initial authenticator, e.g. another AAA client or a key holder? >Or Does the EAP keying framework that prohibits keys being sent to an >entity other than the initial authenticator? > > >Thanks, > >Madjid > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net] >Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:34 PM >To: Bernard Aboba >Cc: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; aboba@internaut.com; eap@frascone.com >Subject: Re: [eap] RE: Issue: AAA Key Caching effectively prohibited? > >Bernard Aboba wrote: > >> Under Joe's proposal, an AMSK created during the original exchange can > >> be cached in the AAA server. One way that "Key Request" could work >> would be for the EAP peer to request that a key be sent to the new >> authenticator. It would make this request by contacting the new >> authenticator, which would generate a AAA request. The EAP peer would >> mutually authenticate to the AAA server, demonstrate possession of the > >> cached AMSK, and then request that a key derived from that AMSK be >> sent to the new EAP authenticator. Via the AAA request the new EAP >> authenticator would mutually authenticate to the AAA Server. >> >> So we have: >> >> a. Authentication of parties: EAP peer- AAA server; EAP >> authenticator - EAP server; EAP peer-authenticator (through a >> subsequent SAP exchange) >> >> b. Freshness. Presumably the EAP peer - AAA server exchange includes >> nonces exchanged by both parties to ensure freshness of the derived >> keys. Also the SAP exchange would include a nonce exchange. >> >> c. "Channel binding": The EAP peer requests that a key be sent via >> the entity that it wants the key sent to. The new authenticator >> identifies itself to the AAA server, allowing the EAP peer and AAA >> server to verify that it is telling the same information to both the >> AAA server and EAP peer. > >I like this. What do we need to make this possible in the keying >framework? > >- Say EMSK is kept in method layer > >- Possibly say that EMSK can be deleted after AAA has made > its declaration of what application keys its going to need > (assuming we always know what applications are authorized > a priori - but I think that's a good assumption). > >- Clarify the caching and parent death rules for AMSks. > >--Jari > > >_________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From postmaster@interfax.msk.su Wed Jan 11 20:40:41 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwrSD-00007E-PG; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:40:41 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA03877; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from u01126071.ictv.ne.jp ([202.177.126.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwrZA-0000E3-SJ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:47:54 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([202.177.126.71]) by msn.com (Sendmail 8.7.1) with ESMTP (SSL) id IYT50258 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:08:23 -0600 Message-ID: <430o633v.8500574@msn.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=bash; d=msn.com; b=UMzlVm2FwqjdHOWcRw5lljwq204QKgqfaOsIRq5BfZZdZzDaCq9FCrWjX1AiAzTlMgpEozabGTV4ghX3; X-Display: Full X-List: rangy.usenet Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:08:23 -0600 From: "Elma Toney" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: drafts@ietf.org Subject: Re-finance before rates skyrocket Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_62656703==.OLA" X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: ee80a2074afbfe28d15369f4e74e579d This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_62656703==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Jan 12 00:41:40 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwvDP-0008Qz-Ky for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:41:39 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA22097 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5144F4300DB for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8416D43004F for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB9480C104 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7C980C0F1 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFF2898E4 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:41:15 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43C5EC1A.3010705@piuha.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:41:46 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com References: <200601120151.k0C1pli07138@boreas.isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <200601120151.k0C1pli07138@boreas.isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Subject: [eap] FW: RFC 4186 on Extensible Authentication Protocol Method for Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM) Subscriber Identity Modules (EAP-SIM) X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote: >A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > RFC 4186 > > Title: Extensible Authentication Protocol Method for > Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM) > Subscriber Identity Modules (EAP-SIM) > Author(s): H. Haverinen, Ed., J. Salowey, Ed. > Status: Informational > Date: January 2006 > Mailbox: henry.haverinen@nokia.com, jsalowey@cisco.com > Pages: 92 > Characters: 220807 > Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None > > I-D Tag: draft-haverinen-pppext-eap-sim-16.txt > > URL: ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc4186.txt > > >This document specifies an Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) >mechanism for authentication and session key distribution using the >Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM) Subscriber Identity >Module (SIM). GSM is a second generation mobile network standard. >The EAP-SIM mechanism specifies enhancements to GSM authentication >and key agreement whereby multiple authentication triplets can be >combined to create authentication responses and session keys of >greater strength than the individual GSM triplets. The mechanism >also includes network authentication, user anonymity support, result >indications, and a fast re-authentication procedure. > >This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does >not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this >memo is unlimited. > >This announcement is sent to the IETF list and the RFC-DIST list. >Requests to be added to or deleted from the IETF distribution list >should be sent to IETF-REQUEST@IETF.ORG. Requests to be >added to or deleted from the RFC-DIST distribution list should >be sent to RFC-DIST-REQUEST@RFC-EDITOR.ORG. > >Details on obtaining RFCs via FTP or EMAIL may be obtained by sending >an EMAIL message to rfc-info@RFC-EDITOR.ORG with the message body >help: ways_to_get_rfcs. For example: > > To: rfc-info@RFC-EDITOR.ORG > Subject: getting rfcs > > help: ways_to_get_rfcs > >Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the >author of the RFC in question, or to RFC-Manager@RFC-EDITOR.ORG. Unless >specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for >unlimited distribution. > >Submissions for Requests for Comments should be sent to >RFC-EDITOR@RFC-EDITOR.ORG. Please consult RFC 2223, Instructions to RFC >Authors, for further information. > > >Joyce K. Reynolds and Sandy Ginoza >USC/Information Sciences Institute > >... > >Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant Mail Reader >implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version >of the RFCs. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >IETF-Announce mailing list >IETF-Announce@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Jan 12 00:42:33 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwvEH-0000Qm-Tc for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:42:33 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA22136 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE95430135 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D65743009A for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:41:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2F8398060 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:41:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338E539805B for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:41:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3959898E9 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:41:22 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43C5EC21.5000109@piuha.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:41:53 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com References: <200601120153.k0C1rHi07499@boreas.isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <200601120153.k0C1rHi07499@boreas.isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Subject: [eap] FW: RFC 4187 on Extensible Authentication Protocol Method for 3rd Generation Authentication and Key Agreement (EAP-AKA) X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote: >A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > RFC 4187 > > Title: Extensible Authentication Protocol Method for 3rd > Generation Authentication and Key Agreement > (EAP-AKA) > Author(s): J. Arkko, H. Haverinen > Status: Informational > Date: January 2006 > Mailbox: jari.Arkko@ericsson.com, henry.haverinen@nokia.com > Pages: 79 > Characters: 194958 > Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None > > I-D Tag: draft-arkko-pppext-eap-aka-15.txt > > URL: ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc4187.txt > > >This document specifies an Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) >mechanism for authentication and session key distribution that uses >the Authentication and Key Agreement (AKA) mechanism. AKA is used in >the 3rd generation mobile networks Universal Mobile >Telecommunications System (UMTS) and CDMA2000. AKA is based on >symmetric keys, and typically runs in a Subscriber Identity Module, >which is a UMTS Subscriber Identity Module, USIM, or a (Removable) >User Identity Module, (R)UIM, similar to a smart card. > >EAP-AKA includes optional identity privacy support, optional result >indications, and an optional fast re-authentication procedure. > >This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does >not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this >memo is unlimited. > >This announcement is sent to the IETF list and the RFC-DIST list. >Requests to be added to or deleted from the IETF distribution list >should be sent to IETF-REQUEST@IETF.ORG. Requests to be >added to or deleted from the RFC-DIST distribution list should >be sent to RFC-DIST-REQUEST@RFC-EDITOR.ORG. > >Details on obtaining RFCs via FTP or EMAIL may be obtained by sending >an EMAIL message to rfc-info@RFC-EDITOR.ORG with the message body >help: ways_to_get_rfcs. For example: > > To: rfc-info@RFC-EDITOR.ORG > Subject: getting rfcs > > help: ways_to_get_rfcs > >Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the >author of the RFC in question, or to RFC-Manager@RFC-EDITOR.ORG. Unless >specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for >unlimited distribution. > >Submissions for Requests for Comments should be sent to >RFC-EDITOR@RFC-EDITOR.ORG. Please consult RFC 2223, Instructions to RFC >Authors, for further information. > > >Joyce K. Reynolds and Sandy Ginoza >USC/Information Sciences Institute > >... > >Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant Mail Reader >implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version >of the RFCs. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >IETF-Announce mailing list >IETF-Announce@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Jan 12 01:13:11 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewvhv-0000BD-0J for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:13:11 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA23947 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F424300B3 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:13:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE1C43004F for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83762398060 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f15.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.25]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01A539805B for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:12:55 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:12:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [131.107.0.87] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: MCV@flarion.com, jari.arkko@piuha.net Subject: RE: [eap] Review of EAP MAKE Type Allocation Request Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:12:55 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2006 06:12:55.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A48B5E0:01C6173F] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com >>Indeed, we are going to re-name this method. If there are any experts >willing to review it, then we can re-publish it next week or so. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C617FC.1F3E1E80-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Jan 12 19:22:57 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ExCiX-0006eG-E8 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:22:57 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA12426 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789D643011C for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:22:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E554D43009A for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E3380C129 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE4680C113 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:22:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0D0MIub013886; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:22:18 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id k0D0MJLH013616; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:22:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id KAA13591 ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:22:19 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0D0MHxr015917; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:22:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpoa.po.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id k0D0MHlL017712; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:22:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead ([172.30.24.104]) by mail.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 (built Apr 28 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0IT000ICN90R6H80@mail.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:22:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ExChP-0008Hk-UV; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:21:47 -0800 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:21:45 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] Issue: Comments on draft-ietf-eap-keying-08b.txt section 1 To: Jari Arkko Message-id: <20060113002145.GV25454@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 04:09:19PM +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: > >-- > >There are two styles of channel bindings that may be supported by EAP > >methods. The text in this section describes exportable channel bindings. > >There is also the approach where the bindings are non exportable. In > >this case the method does a binary comparision of the channelbindings or > >hash of the channel bindings and fails if the result does not match. I > >can see the possibility of a method supporting both styles. Should we > >include both? > > > > > Not sure -- I don't have a requirement for that. Others? I am much in favor of including both. Yoshihiro Ohba _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Jan 12 20:13:15 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ExDVC-0007mh-Dv for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:13:15 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA15811 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00A24300EB for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:13:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC01343009A for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C6D398069 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate8.mot.com (motgate8.mot.com [129.188.136.8]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9450398068 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:12:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from il06exr04.mot.com (il06exr04.mot.com [129.188.137.134]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motgate7) with ESMTP id k0D1QlOr023795 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:26:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm70.ds.mot.com (de01exm70.am.mot.com [10.176.8.26]) by il06exr04.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k0D1NL6r010833 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:23:21 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA Key Caching effectively prohibited? Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:11:23 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA Key Caching effectively prohibited? Thread-Index: AcYXE4CWtL1tfpZkSOq/aNPQ9Hce0QAypF/Q From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: "Renwei Li" , "Jari Arkko" , "Bernard Aboba" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com, aboba@internaut.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not really sure what you mean by creating a scenario. This is a real life deployment. 11r has defined key holders.=20 And what is wrong with trusted man in the middles? -----Original Message----- From: Renwei Li [mailto:renwei@anqsystems.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:00 PM To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; Jari Arkko; Bernard Aboba Cc: eap@frascone.com; aboba@internaut.com Subject: Re: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA Key Caching effectively prohibited? If we do so, we are effectively creating a scenario (Authenticated-)Man-in-the-Middle? Sounds familiar?=20 Regards, Renwei >-----Original Message----- >From: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 [mailto:Madjid.Nakhjiri@motorola.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 07:13 PM >To: 'Jari Arkko', 'Bernard Aboba' >Cc: eap@frascone.com, aboba@internaut.com >Subject: RE: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA Key Caching effectively prohibited? > >Question: Does EAP keying allow sending keys to an entity other than=20 >the initial authenticator, e.g. another AAA client or a key holder? >Or Does the EAP keying framework that prohibits keys being sent to an=20 >entity other than the initial authenticator? > > >Thanks, > >Madjid > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net] >Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:34 PM >To: Bernard Aboba >Cc: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; aboba@internaut.com; eap@frascone.com >Subject: Re: [eap] RE: Issue: AAA Key Caching effectively prohibited? > >Bernard Aboba wrote: > >> Under Joe's proposal, an AMSK created during the original exchange=20 >> can > >> be cached in the AAA server. One way that "Key Request" could work=20 >> would be for the EAP peer to request that a key be sent to the new=20 >> authenticator. It would make this request by contacting the new=20 >> authenticator, which would generate a AAA request. The EAP peer would >> mutually authenticate to the AAA server, demonstrate possession of=20 >> the > >> cached AMSK, and then request that a key derived from that AMSK be >> sent to the new EAP authenticator. Via the AAA request the new EAP=20 >> authenticator would mutually authenticate to the AAA Server. >> >> So we have: >> >> a. Authentication of parties: EAP peer- AAA server; EAP=20 >> authenticator - EAP server; EAP peer-authenticator (through a=20 >> subsequent SAP exchange) >> >> b. Freshness. Presumably the EAP peer - AAA server exchange includes >> nonces exchanged by both parties to ensure freshness of the derived=20 >> keys. Also the SAP exchange would include a nonce exchange. >> >> c. "Channel binding": The EAP peer requests that a key be sent via=20 >> the entity that it wants the key sent to. The new authenticator=20 >> identifies itself to the AAA server, allowing the EAP peer and AAA=20 >> server to verify that it is telling the same information to both the=20 >> AAA server and EAP peer. > >I like this. 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Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:43:27 -0800 Message-ID: <0604335B7764D141945E20215310596006ADCE9D@orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA KeyCaching effectively prohibited? Thread-Index: AcYXE4CWtL1tfpZkSOq/aNPQ9Hce0QAypF/QAFSWmiA= From: "Sood, Kapil" To: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" , "Renwei Li" , "Jari Arkko" , "Bernard Aboba" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2006 17:43:29.0528 (UTC) FILETIME=[07B94780:01C61932] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 10.7.209.16 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com, aboba@internaut.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 11r does not have a 'trusted' man-in-the-middle. 11r still bases its security model on that the AAA Key (MSK) gets delivered to the authorized Authenticator only. This is the authenticator through which the STA performed the full EAP authentication. This is called R0 Key holder (R0KH) in 11r draft. R0KH derives the PMK-R0 from the MSK with domain specific parameters binding. R0KH also derives multiple PMK-R1 keys (11r key hierarchy) from the PMK-R0, for distribution to other authenticators (called R1 key holders) within the same administrative domain (called mobility domain in 11r). A local trusted party (say, MDC - Mobility Domain Controller) helps establish mutual authentication between these authenticators (key holders in 11r) and derives mutual Key Encryption Keys (KEKs). These KEKs will be used for secure delivery of PMK-R1 keys from R0KH to R1KHs. AAA server may not have any knowledge of this key hierarchy (by design), and distribution. Best Regards, =20 Kapil. 503.264.3759 > -----Original Message----- > From: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 [mailto:Madjid.Nakhjiri@motorola.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:11 PM > To: Renwei Li; Jari Arkko; Bernard Aboba > Cc: eap@frascone.com; aboba@internaut.com > Subject: RE: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA KeyCaching effectively > prohibited? >=20 > Not really sure what you mean by creating a scenario. This is a real > life deployment. 11r has defined key holders. > And what is wrong with trusted man in the middles? >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Renwei Li [mailto:renwei@anqsystems.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:00 PM > To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; Jari Arkko; Bernard Aboba > Cc: eap@frascone.com; aboba@internaut.com > Subject: Re: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA Key > Caching effectively prohibited? >=20 > If we do so, we are effectively creating a scenario > (Authenticated-)Man-in-the-Middle? Sounds familiar? >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Renwei >=20 >=20 > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 [mailto:Madjid.Nakhjiri@motorola.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 07:13 PM > >To: 'Jari Arkko', 'Bernard Aboba' > >Cc: eap@frascone.com, aboba@internaut.com > >Subject: RE: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA Key > Caching effectively prohibited? > > > >Question: Does EAP keying allow sending keys to an entity other than > >the initial authenticator, e.g. another AAA client or a key holder? > >Or Does the EAP keying framework that prohibits keys being sent to an > >entity other than the initial authenticator? > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Madjid > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net] > >Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:34 PM > >To: Bernard Aboba > >Cc: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; aboba@internaut.com; eap@frascone.com > >Subject: Re: [eap] RE: Issue: AAA Key Caching effectively prohibited? > > > >Bernard Aboba wrote: > > > >> Under Joe's proposal, an AMSK created during the original exchange > >> can > > > >> be cached in the AAA server. One way that "Key Request" could work > >> would be for the EAP peer to request that a key be sent to the new > >> authenticator. It would make this request by contacting the new > >> authenticator, which would generate a AAA request. The EAP peer would >=20 > >> mutually authenticate to the AAA server, demonstrate possession of > >> the > > > >> cached AMSK, and then request that a key derived from that AMSK be > >> sent to the new EAP authenticator. Via the AAA request the new EAP > >> authenticator would mutually authenticate to the AAA Server. > >> > >> So we have: > >> > >> a. Authentication of parties: EAP peer- AAA server; EAP > >> authenticator - EAP server; EAP peer-authenticator (through a > >> subsequent SAP exchange) > >> > >> b. Freshness. Presumably the EAP peer - AAA server exchange includes >=20 > >> nonces exchanged by both parties to ensure freshness of the derived > >> keys. Also the SAP exchange would include a nonce exchange. > >> > >> c. "Channel binding": The EAP peer requests that a key be sent via > >> the entity that it wants the key sent to. The new authenticator > >> identifies itself to the AAA server, allowing the EAP peer and AAA > >> server to verify that it is telling the same information to both the > >> AAA server and EAP peer. > > > >I like this. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C61A62.AE4C7000-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sun Jan 15 22:04:14 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyKfG-0003gQ-1N for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:04:14 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA06100 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376884300FA for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3226430048 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:03:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15AF80C0EF for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:03:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8659B80C111 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:03:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Jan 2006 19:03:51 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,369,1131350400"; d="scan'208"; a="392033102:sNHT35578634" Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k0G33pQi024783; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:03:51 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 311: EAP and Authorization Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:10:12 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69067B6907@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 311: EAP and Authorization Thread-Index: AcYUggaiVzmC9lhIRJGe/sy+2u1+ZQFx0xGw From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Bernard Aboba" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:27 AM > To: eap@frascone.com > Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 311: EAP and Authorization >=20 > The text of Issue 311 is available here: > http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues3.html#Issue%20311 >=20 > The proposed resolution is as follows: >=20 > In Section 1.3, change: >=20 > " The EAP server also > stores the peer's identity and/or other information necessary to > decide whether access to some service should be granted. The peer > stores information necessary to choose which secret to use=20 > for which > service. >=20 > If authentication is based on proof of possession of the=20 > private key > corresponding to the public key contained within a certificate, the > parties store the EAP method to be used and the trust=20 > anchors used to > validate the certificates. The EAP server also stores the peer's > identity and/or other information necessary to decide=20 > whether access > to some service should be granted. The peer stores information > necessary to choose which certificate to use for which service." >=20 > To: >=20 > "The EAP server also stores the peer's identity as well as=20 > other information > associated with it. This information may be used to determine=20 > whether access > to some service should be granted. The peer > stores information necessary to choose which secret to use for which > service. >=20 > If authentication is based on proof of possession of the private key > corresponding to the public key contained within a certificate, the > parties store the EAP method to be used and the trust anchors used to > validate the certificates. The EAP server also stores the peer's > identity=20 [Joe] why is it necessary that the EAP server store the peer's identity in this case?=20 > and the peer stores information > necessary to choose which certificate to use for which service." >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap >=20 > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap >=20 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sun Jan 15 22:16:04 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyKqi-0006Xp-Ld for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:16:04 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA06688 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4F7430093 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:16:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCBC430048 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:15:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC92C398051 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:15:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BF2398066 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Jan 2006 19:15:41 -0800 Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k0G3Ffjt024826; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:15:41 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:22:03 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69067B6908@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache Thread-Index: AcYWMQBcwWns5kHcQYKuU62k56likwAnOXJAAN8KyIA= From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" , "Bernard Aboba" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 [mailto:Madjid.Nakhjiri@motorola.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:56 AM > To: Bernard Aboba; eap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache >=20 >=20 > If caching of MSK/EMSK is a MUST NOT for 4072 and 3579 and=20 > not for 3748, > then why don't we state it so? And why do we make the caching=20 > a MUST NOT > in a general case? >=20 > Also, if the focus is document the existing behavior of the 3 RFCs > below, rather than providing guidance for future uses of EAP keying, > then the document should not state: >=20 > "This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the > Internet community,..." > On the front page.=20 > Because the way it is, it is not very accommodating for future uses of > EAP keying framework. Having to remove the cache of a key after > transport of say from AAA server to AAA client, will not allow the AAA > server to use that key for further keying. A simple example is if you > want to bootstrap a key for two agents, each of them behind=20 > one separate > AAA client (take an AR and an HA in MIPv6 example),=20 >=20 > Agent 1<--AAA client1<------AAA server---->AAA client 2---->agent 2 > if you have RADIUS and move the key based on the request from one > client, you have to delete it, then you cannot send it to the=20 > second AAA > client.=20 >=20 [Joe] Why do you want to use the same key in both places? > Is there anywhere in the AAA key management requirement that says AAA > server cannot be trusted with the keys? >=20 [Joe] If I understand the current text correctly it is stating that an entity should not simultaneously cache and transport a key. In general this is good practice because it prevents reuse of a key, if you are going to give someone else a key for a specific purpose you should not hold onto it for another use. While I don't agree with a MUST NOT cache transported keys, I would question why you would want to do this. It seems that the current text allows one to cache a key and export keys derived from it. Perhaps the text should explicitly say so.=20 > Madjid > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:58 PM > To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; eap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache >=20 > >1)Why do we mean by "existing implementations" and why does=20 > it matter? >=20 > The focus of this work item is on describing the behavior of=20 > RFC 3748, > 4072 and 3579 implementations. >=20 > >This document should provide requirements going forward. Is "caching=20 > >MSK/EMSK" a MUST NOT, a SHOULD NOT, or something else? >=20 > Caching of MSK/EMSK is a MUST NOT for RFC 4072 and 3579=20 > implementations. >=20 > >2) The text requires deleting of a key (I am assuming this includes > >AMSK) after transport to avoid key reuse. >=20 > The text refers to any key that is transported, so yes it would also > apply to an AMSK. This follows from the security assumptions and AAA > Key Management requirements. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C61B30.D60A0980-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 16 21:44:53 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eygq5-0002Gq-3o for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:44:53 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA07296 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1824300A2 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128C943005F for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:44:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45A3398024 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav3.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.75]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391DE39801F for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:44:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:44:34 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 131.107.0.103 by BAY106-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:44:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [131.107.0.103] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: "'Salowey, Joe'" , Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 311: EAP and Authorization Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:44:35 -0800 Message-ID: <002901c61b0f$f381d770$49883b9d@ntdev.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYUggaiVzmC9lhIRJGe/sy+2u1+ZQFx0xGwADGdsMA= In-Reply-To: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69067B6907@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2006 02:44:34.0829 (UTC) FILETIME=[F36093D0:01C61B0F] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > To: > > "The EAP server also stores the peer's identity as well as > other information > associated with it. This information may be used to determine > whether access > to some service should be granted. The peer > stores information necessary to choose which secret to use for which > service. > > If authentication is based on proof of possession of the private key > corresponding to the public key contained within a certificate, the > parties store the EAP method to be used and the trust anchors used to > validate the certificates. The EAP server also stores the peer's > identity [Joe] why is it necessary that the EAP server store the peer's identity in this case? [BA] I guess to associate it with the authorizations. The peer identity is included in the certificate altSubjectName, so it isn't needed for other reasons. Is there a way to make that more clear? > and the peer stores information > necessary to choose which certificate to use for which service." > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 16 21:47:05 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EygsD-0003ZQ-7A for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:47:05 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA07463 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC87430137 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006CB43014A for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A73398024 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav9.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.81]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD0C39801F for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:46:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:46:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 131.107.0.103 by BAY106-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:46:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [131.107.0.103] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: "'Salowey, Joe'" , Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:46:25 -0800 Message-ID: <002a01c61b10$3531a330$49883b9d@ntdev.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYWMQBcwWns5kHcQYKuU62k56likwAnOXJAAN8KyIAAMXykAA== In-Reply-To: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69067B6908@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2006 02:46:25.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[358FC8C0:01C61B10] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Joe] Why do you want to use the same key in both places? 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Do you have some text to suggest? _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 16 21:56:47 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eyh1b-0006cT-72 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:56:47 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA07993 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128C24300B4 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54D5430058 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:56:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB10080C10A for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:56:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav8.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.80]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B06080C0F2 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:56:32 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 131.107.0.103 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:56:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [131.107.0.103] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: "'Sood, Kapil'" , "'Jari Arkko'" Subject: RE: [eap] sending keys to authenticator? (EMSK or man-in-the-middle not needed for fast handoff) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:56:32 -0800 Message-ID: <002c01c61b11$9f4856f0$49883b9d@ntdev.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYXE4CWtL1tfpZkSOq/aNPQ9Hce0QAypF/QAFSWmiAAeAEF0A== In-Reply-To: <0604335B7764D141945E20215310596006ADCE9D@orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2006 02:56:32.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F59E320:01C61B11] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IEEE 802.11r D1.0 (which has just passed its first letter ballot) is available for inspection here: http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/11/private/Draft_Standards/11r/P802.11r-D 1.0.pdf If you'd like the archive password, please contact the chairs. As Kapil notes, 802.11r relies only on the MSK, and is based on existing EAP and AAA RFCs, including RFC 3579, 3580, 3748 and 4072. The 802.11r specification addresses a number of issues that came up in 802.11i and also are discussed in the EAP Key Management Framework document, including: 1. Key lifetime synchronization. 802.11r includes the key lifetime in the 4-way handshake, so that all parties can be aware of when the key hierarchy expires. 2. Key scope definition. 802.11r includes advertisement of the NAS-Identifier (known as the R1KH-ID). -----Original Message----- From: Sood, Kapil [mailto:kapil.sood@intel.com] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:43 AM To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; Renwei Li; Jari Arkko; Bernard Aboba Cc: eap@frascone.com; aboba@internaut.com Subject: RE: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: 11r does not have a 'trusted' man-in-the-middle. 11r still bases its security model on that the AAA Key (MSK) gets delivered to the authorized Authenticator only. This is the authenticator through which the STA performed the full EAP authentication. This is called R0 Key holder (R0KH) in 11r draft. R0KH derives the PMK-R0 from the MSK with domain specific parameters binding. R0KH also derives multiple PMK-R1 keys (11r key hierarchy) from the PMK-R0, for distribution to other authenticators (called R1 key holders) within the same administrative domain (called mobility domain in 11r). A local trusted party (say, MDC - Mobility Domain Controller) helps establish mutual authentication between these authenticators (key holders in 11r) and derives mutual Key Encryption Keys (KEKs). These KEKs will be used for secure delivery of PMK-R1 keys from R0KH to R1KHs. AAA server may not have any knowledge of this key hierarchy (by design), and distribution. 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(v3.5) Business Reply-To: Christiana Soto X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <45057105944.20060117213119@kl-design.com> To: eap-archive@ietf.org Subject: 01-17-06 Inv Information MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After announcing they cleaned $1,000,000.00 worth of debt off their books, investors start rally !! **INVESTOR WATCH ISSUED FOR TUESDAY 17th, BIG MOVE COULD HAPPEN** SYMBOL: MWIS.OB Friday Close: $0.165 Friday Volume: 120,000 Short Term: $0.50 - $0.75 Long Term: $1.50 - $1.75 With Volume up and the forward movement of this great company, we believe we will see HUGE increase in price tuesday. Get your buy in first thing and get what you can before it climbs. Be sure you read the release below and comments from the Diector of Syntek Capital, then, get on MWIS first thing Tuesday Morning! Past Venture Capital Investor Agreed to Waive Old Debt in Exchange for Restricted Shares Jan 9, 2006 8:14:00 AM m-Wise, Inc. (OTCBB:MWIS), a leading technology provider of mobile content solutions for operators, ASPs and content providers, today announced that venture capital firm Syntek Capital, A.G. has entered into a termination and release agreement converting $1 million of debt to m-Wise common stock. Under the terms of the agreement, m-Wise will issue a minimum of 5,561,994 shares of common stock in exchange for terminating m-Wise's 3.5 year-old debt to Syntek Capital. The conversion of this debt was for restricted shares at market value with no discount relative to the 30 days average trading price of the common stock. Furthermore, m-Wise will issue Syntek a warrant of 5,263,158 shares of common stock at an exercise price of $0.19 per share, which can be exercised for up to a period of three years. Shay Ben-Asulin, chairman of m-Wise said, "We are very happy that a strategic investor like Syntek Capital saw the opportunity in our current stock price and took a long-term position in m-Wise. The management of m-Wise believes that increasing our shareholder's equity, coupled with completing several business transactions shortly, will result in excellent return to Syntek and all our shareholders." Ronni Benatoff, director of Syntek Capital said, "We are pleased to begin the New Year confirming our support to m-Wise. Syntek Capital has a strategy to investing only in companies with solid core and sustainable businesses. We have long recognized the potential of m-Wise's technology and believe in its future growth potential." ..Whatever you do WATCH MWIS... From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 17 16:28:54 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyyNq-0001WJ-PP for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:28:54 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA26071 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1A3430118 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328D243009F for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:28:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4507E39803E for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:28:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav6.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.78]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CF6398059 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:28:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:28:15 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 131.107.0.103 by BAY106-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:28:14 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [131.107.0.103] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:28:10 -0800 Message-ID: <000801c61bac$ea3737d0$49883b9d@ntdev.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Thread-Index: AcYbrOokarB6RpjTSNa43Ip898Ysmw== X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2006 21:28:15.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED177460:01C61BAC] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.751 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, HTML_MESSAGE, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] EAP WG Last Call on Network Discovery and Selection Problem Statement Document X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1610783785==" Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1610783785== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C61B69.DC13F7D0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C61B69.DC13F7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an announcement of EAP WG call on the "Network Discovery and Selection Problem Statement" document before sending it on to the IESG for publication as an Informational RFC. 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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C61B69.DC13F7D0-- --===============1610783785== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap --===============1610783785==-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 17 19:19:43 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ez139-0005dr-N1 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:19:43 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA14429 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240AD4300F8 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:19:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C81430058 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:19:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF23398044 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:19:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786BE398073 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:19:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so46176wri for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:19:07 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dkKy0JlbWHypDGKboZwhGHaeUXp+5lBl2E66YQXAJk0pKkSFG24Dg5NOxasM1v8c+ZmGhSP5scTbdT82WhZQ6sZclIYiKDbaZiymdD2pcL3GuDRT7Q2I+Tp1Q2eQl0dBYAuZ9A4L3QosT9tmPtccIYEJqd+Z5Zt1U07YC/UBcQE= Received: by 10.54.151.17 with SMTP id y17mr242924wrd; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:19:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.80.1 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:19:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:19:07 -0800 From: Clint Chaplin To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] sending keys to authenticator? (EMSK or man-in-the-middle not needed for fast handoff) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0604335B7764D141945E20215310596006ADCE9D@orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.024 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=RCVD_BY_IP Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All: Please do not contact me expecting the IEEE 802.11 private area password; I am not authorized to hand that out. The IEEE private area is open only to voters or nearly voters of IEEE 802.11, as per IEEE 802.11 policies and procedures. Sorry. On 1/16/06, Bernard Aboba wrote: > IEEE 802.11r D1.0 (which has just passed its first letter ballot) is > available for inspection here: > http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/11/private/Draft_Standards/11r/P802.11= r-D > 1.0.pdf > > If you'd like the archive password, please contact the chairs. > > As Kapil notes, 802.11r relies only on the MSK, and is based on existing = EAP > and AAA RFCs, including RFC 3579, 3580, 3748 and 4072. > > The 802.11r specification addresses a number of issues that came up in > 802.11i and also are discussed in the EAP Key Management Framework docume= nt, > including: > > 1. Key lifetime synchronization. 802.11r includes the key lifetime in th= e > 4-way handshake, so that all parties can be aware of when the key hierarc= hy > expires. > > 2. Key scope definition. 802.11r includes advertisement of the > NAS-Identifier (known as the R1KH-ID). > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sood, Kapil [mailto:kapil.sood@intel.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:43 AM > To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; Renwei Li; Jari Arkko; Bernard Aboba > Cc: eap@frascone.com; aboba@internaut.com > Subject: RE: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: > > 11r does not have a 'trusted' man-in-the-middle. 11r still bases its > security model on that the AAA Key (MSK) gets delivered to the > authorized Authenticator only. This is the authenticator through which > the STA performed the full EAP authentication. This is called R0 Key > holder (R0KH) in 11r draft. R0KH derives the PMK-R0 from the MSK with > domain specific parameters binding. > > R0KH also derives multiple PMK-R1 keys (11r key hierarchy) from the > PMK-R0, for distribution to other authenticators (called R1 key holders) > within the same administrative domain (called mobility domain in 11r). > A local trusted party (say, MDC - Mobility Domain Controller) helps > establish mutual authentication between these authenticators (key > holders in 11r) and derives mutual Key Encryption Keys (KEKs). 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C61C7B.415FF280-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 18 12:12:44 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EzGrT-0005Ks-RT for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:12:44 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA04631 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA2D430123 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:12:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F4143005F for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:12:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79CE080C0E8 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:12:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581C680C129 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:12:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FBC8989F; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:12:25 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA3B8989E; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:12:24 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43CE7715.1070307@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:12:53 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: Bernard Aboba Subject: [eap] EAP WG final meeting and progress X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to the charter of the WG, we have two work items left to complete: the keying framework and the network selection problem definition document. The former has been in WGLC, and we are currently attempting to come to a final conclusion on how the raised issues are solved. We just started a WGLC on the problem definition document. We would REALLY like to close these the remaining items and not leave them hanging around any longer. We ask for everyone's help in bringing these tasks to completion; please post opinions about how to resolve the remaining open issues in the keying framework, and please review the other document. But we are actually quite close to making this happen. So here's our plan: we are currently hoping that we have closed these documents and given them to our AD and the IESG for review before March. If this happens, we will NOT reserve a slot for EAP WG in IETF-64, particularly when there will be other possibilities for discussion in related topics, such as EMU and possibly some of the handover keying BOFs. Should we for some reason not complete everything before IETF-64, however, we will devote the meeting only for the resolution of the remaining issues. After IETF-64, we do not expect EAP WG to meet, and will consider closing the WG down later. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 18 12:39:55 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EzHHn-0007Nl-7i for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:39:55 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA07368 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE614300AD for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D04430063 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:39:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152CB80C141 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:39:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C445C80C119 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:39:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFA78989F; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:39:35 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265138989E; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:39:35 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43CE7D73.2070404@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:40:03 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: Bernard Aboba Subject: [eap] Process for the network selection problem definition document X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In IETF-64, we had a presentation of the EAP network selection problem document. This presentation was followed by a discussion of whether some larger effort (e.g. a BOF) is needed in this area in the IETF. There was also a discussion of whether the topic is appropriate for EAP WG to work on. We have also received a liason statement on the network selection topic after IETF-64 from IEEE 802.11u. Originally, the network selection problem definition document grew out of the need to understand what the IETF should do for the request that we received from 3GPP to publish draft-adrangi. We did publish it later, but a lot of the analysis of what the problem really is and what limitations mechanisms such as draft-adrangi have went into the network selection document. The chairs and AD have now discussed what to do. We have noted that EAP WG's charter specifically requires us to produce this problem definition document -- it was added to the charter at the time that we needed the analysis. Changing this would require a recharterting, and IESG discussion of the new charter. The chairs also believe that the IETF in fact needs an official document that contains the analysis, because then it can be communicated and referred to. As a result, the one thing that we can do under the current charter is to complete the document. Therefore, we are starting WGLC on this document. (See separate e-mail.) Please post also any comments relating the scope of the document during the last call. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 18 13:53:03 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EzIQZ-0002uZ-BA for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:53:03 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA12764 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148DD430194 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:53:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3013D4300AD for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F8680C0E8 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate8.mot.com (motgate8.mot.com [129.188.136.8]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D6180C136 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from il06exr02.mot.com (il06exr02.mot.com [129.188.137.132]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motgate7) with ESMTP id k0IJ6cQp025278 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:06:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm70.ds.mot.com (de01exm70.am.mot.com [10.176.8.26]) by il06exr02.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k0IJ3rPe005309 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:03:54 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:50:51 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache Thread-Index: AcYWMQBcwWns5kHcQYKuU62k56likwAnOXJAAN8KyIAAhVydwA== From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: "Salowey, Joe" , "Bernard Aboba" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Joe, =20 -----Original Message----- From: Salowey, Joe [mailto:jsalowey@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:22 PM To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; Bernard Aboba; eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache > Also, if the focus is document the existing behavior of the 3 RFCs=20 > below, rather than providing guidance for future uses of EAP keying,=20 > then the document should not state: >=20 > "This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the > Internet community,..." > On the front page.=20 > Because the way it is, it is not very accommodating for future uses of > EAP keying framework. Having to remove the cache of a key after=20 > transport of say from AAA server to AAA client, will not allow the AAA > server to use that key for further keying. A simple example is if you=20 > want to bootstrap a key for two agents, each of them behind one=20 > separate AAA client (take an AR and an HA in MIPv6 example), >=20 > Agent 1<--AAA client1<------AAA server---->AAA client 2---->agent 2 if > you have RADIUS and move the key based on the request from one client, > you have to delete it, then you cannot send it to the second AAA=20 > client. >=20 [Joe] Why do you want to use the same key in both places? Madjid>>Think the Proxy Mobile IP example. We need a shared key between the proxy mobile node, PMN (an entity within the network, not the peer) and home agent, HA. So that the PMN can send authenticated messages to the HA and vice versa. > Is there anywhere in the AAA key management requirement that says AAA > server cannot be trusted with the keys? >=20 [Joe] If I understand the current text correctly it is stating that an entity should not simultaneously cache and transport a key. In general this is good practice because it prevents reuse of a key, if you are going to give someone else a key for a specific purpose you should not hold onto it for another use. While I don't agree with a MUST NOT cache transported keys, I would question why you would want to do this. It seems that the current text allows one to cache a key and export keys derived from it. Perhaps the text should explicitly say so.=20 Madjid>> Well this is an example why you do need to hold on to it (not for another use however). I think these strict requirements should be put to test for each specific usage scenario. > Madjid > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:58 PM > To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; eap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache >=20 > >1)Why do we mean by "existing implementations" and why does=20 > it matter? >=20 > The focus of this work item is on describing the behavior of=20 > RFC 3748, > 4072 and 3579 implementations. >=20 > >This document should provide requirements going forward. Is "caching=20 > >MSK/EMSK" a MUST NOT, a SHOULD NOT, or something else? >=20 > Caching of MSK/EMSK is a MUST NOT for RFC 4072 and 3579=20 > implementations. >=20 > >2) The text requires deleting of a key (I am assuming this includes > >AMSK) after transport to avoid key reuse. >=20 > The text refers to any key that is transported, so yes it would also > apply to an AMSK. This follows from the security assumptions and AAA > Key Management requirements. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C61CA9.D5E14980-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 18 17:45:52 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EzM3r-0004Lo-E5 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:45:52 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA17554 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:44:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E694300B2 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:45:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFDF43006D for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE61C398022 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:45:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate5.mot.com (motgate5.mot.com [144.189.100.105]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E2A39802C for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:45:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from az33exr04.mot.com (az33exr04.mot.com [10.64.251.234]) by motgate5.mot.com (8.12.11/Motgate5) with ESMTP id k0IMt1GW022989 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm70.ds.mot.com (de01exm70.am.mot.com [10.176.8.26]) by az33exr04.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k0IMsAZ6009472 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:54:11 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA KeyCaching effectively prohibited? Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:43:28 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA KeyCaching effectively prohibited? Thread-Index: AcYXE4CWtL1tfpZkSOq/aNPQ9Hce0QAypF/QAFSWmiAA0ysiUA== From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: "Sood, Kapil" , "Renwei Li" , "Jari Arkko" , "Bernard Aboba" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com, aboba@internaut.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kapil, Thanks for the explanation. I actually happened to read D0.09 before people sent me D1.0. Yes, I agree with your assessments below. However two points: 1) Reading D0.09 I was not sure if the authenticator had to be in R0KH. At least D0.09 was fuzzy on whether the authenticator is in R0KH or R1KH. It seems that they had made that clear in D1.0. so I give up on 802.11r example. So based on what you are saying R0KH is an authenticator and not "a trusted man-in-the middle").=20 2) The question for the EAP group, is: is it absolutely necessary to send the MSK to the authenticator. I think in RFC 3748 that was an optional thing. Here we follow on that and make it mandatory? We are also saying authenticator and AAA client has the same identifier (logically same) because MSK is carried over AAA protocol (AAA req.) and because EAP needs to stay mode independent (EAP req.). I see this as a restriction, why can't we allow MSK to go a key holder that is simply a AAA client. If during the initial authentication, the authenticator/ AAA client that interacts with the peer indicates the ID of this key holder as an entity that covers that whole domain (I believe it is called mobility domain in 802.11r), then sure we have a trusted man-in-the middle. Ok, 11r does not have that because R0KH is the authenticator, but Now the question is whether 802.11r handles R0KH handovers? Thanks, Madjid -----Original Message----- From: Sood, Kapil [mailto:kapil.sood@intel.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:43 AM To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; Renwei Li; Jari Arkko; Bernard Aboba Cc: eap@frascone.com; aboba@internaut.com Subject: RE: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA KeyCaching effectively prohibited? 11r does not have a 'trusted' man-in-the-middle. 11r still bases its security model on that the AAA Key (MSK) gets delivered to the authorized Authenticator only. This is the authenticator through which the STA performed the full EAP authentication. This is called R0 Key holder (R0KH) in 11r draft. R0KH derives the PMK-R0 from the MSK with domain specific parameters binding. R0KH also derives multiple PMK-R1 keys (11r key hierarchy) from the PMK-R0, for distribution to other authenticators (called R1 key holders) within the same administrative domain (called mobility domain in 11r). A local trusted party (say, MDC - Mobility Domain Controller) helps establish mutual authentication between these authenticators (key holders in 11r) and derives mutual Key Encryption Keys (KEKs). These KEKs will be used for secure delivery of PMK-R1 keys from R0KH to R1KHs. AAA server may not have any knowledge of this key hierarchy (by design), and distribution. Best Regards, =20 Kapil. 503.264.3759 > -----Original Message----- > From: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 [mailto:Madjid.Nakhjiri@motorola.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:11 PM > To: Renwei Li; Jari Arkko; Bernard Aboba > Cc: eap@frascone.com; aboba@internaut.com > Subject: RE: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA KeyCaching effectively > prohibited? >=20 > Not really sure what you mean by creating a scenario. This is a real=20 > life deployment. 11r has defined key holders. > And what is wrong with trusted man in the middles? >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Renwei Li [mailto:renwei@anqsystems.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:00 PM > To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; Jari Arkko; Bernard Aboba > Cc: eap@frascone.com; aboba@internaut.com > Subject: Re: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA Key > Caching effectively prohibited? >=20 > If we do so, we are effectively creating a scenario=20 > (Authenticated-)Man-in-the-Middle? Sounds familiar? >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Renwei >=20 >=20 > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 [mailto:Madjid.Nakhjiri@motorola.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 07:13 PM > >To: 'Jari Arkko', 'Bernard Aboba' > >Cc: eap@frascone.com, aboba@internaut.com > >Subject: RE: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA Key > Caching effectively prohibited? > > > >Question: Does EAP keying allow sending keys to an entity other than=20 > >the initial authenticator, e.g. another AAA client or a key holder? > >Or Does the EAP keying framework that prohibits keys being sent to an > >entity other than the initial authenticator? > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Madjid > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net] > >Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:34 PM > >To: Bernard Aboba > >Cc: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; aboba@internaut.com; eap@frascone.com > >Subject: Re: [eap] RE: Issue: AAA Key Caching effectively prohibited? > > > >Bernard Aboba wrote: > > > >> Under Joe's proposal, an AMSK created during the original exchange=20 > >> can > > > >> be cached in the AAA server. One way that "Key Request" could work > >> would be for the EAP peer to request that a key be sent to the new=20 > >> authenticator. It would make this request by contacting the new=20 > >> authenticator, which would generate a AAA request. The EAP peer would >=20 > >> mutually authenticate to the AAA server, demonstrate possession of=20 > >> the > > > >> cached AMSK, and then request that a key derived from that AMSK be > >> sent to the new EAP authenticator. Via the AAA request the new EAP > >> authenticator would mutually authenticate to the AAA Server. > >> > >> So we have: > >> > >> a. Authentication of parties: EAP peer- AAA server; EAP=20 > >> authenticator - EAP server; EAP peer-authenticator (through a=20 > >> subsequent SAP exchange) > >> > >> b. Freshness. Presumably the EAP peer - AAA server exchange includes >=20 > >> nonces exchanged by both parties to ensure freshness of the derived > >> keys. Also the SAP exchange would include a nonce exchange. > >> > >> c. "Channel binding": The EAP peer requests that a key be sent via > >> the entity that it wants the key sent to. The new authenticator=20 > >> identifies itself to the AAA server, allowing the EAP peer and AAA=20 > >> server to verify that it is telling the same information to both the > >> AAA server and EAP peer. > > > >I like this. 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softbank219206136010.bbtec.net with esmtp id 1EzZHj-000U8S-80 for eap-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:53:03 +0900 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:50:56 +0900 From: Tony Witt X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.44) Business Reply-To: Tony Witt X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <19602218285.20060119215056@dprobe.com> To: eap-archive@ietf.org Subject: ATTENTION - News Release MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 4.9 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CWTD's announcement has created a fantastic stir in the market. Investors have been pushing up the volume and the price has been following. The announcement hit late Friday and has only started to create its waves this morning. Today we watched as the price climbed to a high of $1.59 from Fridays close of $1.36. Tomorrow we expect much of the same pushing the price to $2.00 and UP. Take a look at today's stats and review last weeks announcement. Company: China World Trade Corporation Symbol: CWTD Previous: $1.59 Wed High: $1.80 Short Term: $2.50 Note: Volume And Price Increase CWTD's corporate services are spread across the scale through their many divisions. Working with some of the largest corporations in the Asian market, combined with strategic alliances gives the foundation to continue expanding the their market share. How We See It: This company has continued to generate a growing interest among investors. Each time it releases news on its expansion or strategic changes, the stock soars giving both day traders and long term investors fantastic returns on there investments. We are looking forward to another climb in price and volume tomorrow. If you have not already jumped on this stock we think you should take advantage of it in the morning before it climbs any higher. For those of you have already gotten on board, tomorrow enjoy another prosperous day. Our Viewpoint: Last time this stock released an announcement like this it climbed in price and volume and made many of our members a healthy return on their investment. Make sure you get in on CWTD first thing Thursday. (OTCBB:CWTD):Closed January 30, 2004 at $1.50. Closed February 17th at $7.90, Up 426%, we see the same thing happening again... From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Jan 19 11:56:26 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ezd5G-0005qS-KP for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:56:26 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA06622 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D707C430109 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:56:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4BF43005A for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED3C398042 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824DD398025 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Jan 2006 08:55:59 -0800 Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k0JGtwWF000355; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:55:58 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:02:22 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69067B6FD4@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache Thread-Index: AcYWMQBcwWns5kHcQYKuU62k56likwAnOXJAAN8KyIAAhVydwAAuQ53g From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" , "Bernard Aboba" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 [mailto:Madjid.Nakhjiri@motorola.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:51 AM > To: Salowey, Joe; Bernard Aboba; eap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache >=20 > Hi Joe, =20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Salowey, Joe [mailto:jsalowey@cisco.com]=20 > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:22 PM > To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; Bernard Aboba; eap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache > > Also, if the focus is document the existing behavior of the 3 RFCs=20 > > below, rather than providing guidance for future uses of=20 > EAP keying,=20 > > then the document should not state: > >=20 > > "This document specifies an Internet standards track=20 > protocol for the > > Internet community,..." > > On the front page.=20 > > Because the way it is, it is not very accommodating for=20 > future uses of >=20 > > EAP keying framework. Having to remove the cache of a key after=20 > > transport of say from AAA server to AAA client, will not=20 > allow the AAA >=20 > > server to use that key for further keying. A simple example=20 > is if you=20 > > want to bootstrap a key for two agents, each of them behind one=20 > > separate AAA client (take an AR and an HA in MIPv6 example), > >=20 > > Agent 1<--AAA client1<------AAA server---->AAA client=20 > 2---->agent 2 if >=20 > > you have RADIUS and move the key based on the request from=20 > one client, >=20 > > you have to delete it, then you cannot send it to the second AAA=20 > > client. > >=20 >=20 > [Joe] Why do you want to use the same key in both places? >=20 > Madjid>>Think the Proxy Mobile IP example. We need a shared=20 > key between > the proxy mobile node, PMN (an entity within the network, not=20 > the peer) > and home agent, HA. So that the PMN can send authenticated messages to > the HA and vice versa. >=20 [Joe] Ok, it seems this key would be different than the mobile nodes key and that the PMNs don't all ned to share the same key.=20 > > Is there anywhere in the AAA key management requirement=20 > that says AAA > > server cannot be trusted with the keys? > >=20 >=20 > [Joe] If I understand the current text correctly it is stating that an > entity should not simultaneously cache and transport a key. =20 > In general > this is good practice because it prevents reuse of a key, if you are > going to give someone else a key for a specific purpose you should not > hold onto it for another use. While I don't agree with a MUST NOT > cache transported keys, I would question why you would want=20 > to do this. > It seems that the current text allows one to cache a key and=20 > export keys > derived from it. Perhaps the text should explicitly say so.=20 >=20 > Madjid>> Well this is an example why you do need to hold on to it (not > for another use however). I think these strict requirements should be > put to test for each specific usage scenario. >=20 [Joe] yes, you need to hold onto the key, but instead of transporting the "cached" key you transport keys derived from the cached key. Does this meet the requirements of your usage scenario? =20 > > Madjid > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:58 PM > > To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; eap@frascone.com > > Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache > >=20 > > >1)Why do we mean by "existing implementations" and why does=20 > > it matter? > >=20 > > The focus of this work item is on describing the behavior of=20 > > RFC 3748, > > 4072 and 3579 implementations. > >=20 > > >This document should provide requirements going forward.=20 > Is "caching=20 > > >MSK/EMSK" a MUST NOT, a SHOULD NOT, or something else? > >=20 > > Caching of MSK/EMSK is a MUST NOT for RFC 4072 and 3579=20 > > implementations. > >=20 > > >2) The text requires deleting of a key (I am assuming this includes > > >AMSK) after transport to avoid key reuse. > >=20 > > The text refers to any key that is transported, so yes it would also > > apply to an AMSK. This follows from the security=20 > assumptions and AAA > > Key Management requirements. Unless those requirements are=20 > met, this > > document will not be approved by the IESG. > >=20 > >=20 > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >=20 > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap >=20 > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap >=20 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Jan 19 13:53:01 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ezeu5-0004N4-M8 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:53:01 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA16012 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145EE430127 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:52:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAA343005A for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A779398042 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F171C398023 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:52:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i7so288165wra for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:52:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rVHmUydCrWK5ESE4glMjniO8m9UGi+mIjk5DIJlRq0lf1xAkaYg+bfNPTQlJOVsMVmges80jvPXRqUrzfJEuylv8EYUxnwRWlXTH/9/8VXv1D982CUdi2m/1YuAEXap85wXdl1Z2bq5Z+9BcJfOO+Y9mLUIBSYOog4JvOwCJNXs= Received: by 10.54.135.7 with SMTP id i7mr2918640wrd; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.78.15 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:52:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:52:33 -0800 From: Clint Chaplin To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 Subject: Re: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA KeyCaching effectively prohibited? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.024 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=RCVD_BY_IP Cc: eap@frascone.com, aboba@internaut.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Now the question is whether 802.11r handles R0KH handovers?" Strictly speaking, 802.11r will require the transmission of keying material from an R0KH to an R1KH. Obviously, there are some security requirements on this transmission, and we are putting there requirements into the next version of the draft. Actually specifying/ddeveloping such a handover mechanism is outside the scope of IEEE 802.11 TGr; we can only touch PHY and MAC.=20 However, there is an engineerin team that has been formed to develop such a mechanism, with the goal of creating an RFC. On 1/18/06, Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 wrote: > Hi Kapil, > > Thanks for the explanation. I actually happened to read D0.09 before > people sent me D1.0. Yes, I agree with your assessments below. However > two points: > > 1) Reading D0.09 I was not sure if the authenticator had to be in R0KH. > At least D0.09 was fuzzy on whether the authenticator is in R0KH or > R1KH. It seems that they had made that clear in D1.0. so I give up on > 802.11r example. So based on what you are saying R0KH is an > authenticator and not "a trusted man-in-the middle"). > > 2) The question for the EAP group, is: is it absolutely necessary to > send the MSK to the authenticator. I think in RFC 3748 that was an > optional thing. Here we follow on that and make it mandatory? We are > also saying authenticator and AAA client has the same identifier > (logically same) because MSK is carried over AAA protocol (AAA req.) and > because EAP needs to stay mode independent (EAP req.). I see this as a > restriction, why can't we allow MSK to go a key holder that is simply a > AAA client. > If during the initial authentication, the authenticator/ AAA client that > interacts with the peer indicates the ID of this key holder as an entity > that covers that whole domain (I believe it is called mobility domain in > 802.11r), then sure we have a trusted man-in-the middle. Ok, 11r does > not have that because R0KH is the authenticator, but > > Now the question is whether 802.11r handles R0KH handovers? > > Thanks, > > Madjid > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sood, Kapil [mailto:kapil.sood@intel.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:43 AM > To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; Renwei Li; Jari Arkko; Bernard Aboba > Cc: eap@frascone.com; aboba@internaut.com > Subject: RE: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA > KeyCaching effectively prohibited? > > 11r does not have a 'trusted' man-in-the-middle. 11r still bases its > security model on that the AAA Key (MSK) gets delivered to the > authorized Authenticator only. This is the authenticator through which > the STA performed the full EAP authentication. This is called R0 Key > holder (R0KH) in 11r draft. R0KH derives the PMK-R0 from the MSK with > domain specific parameters binding. > > R0KH also derives multiple PMK-R1 keys (11r key hierarchy) from the > PMK-R0, for distribution to other authenticators (called R1 key holders) > within the same administrative domain (called mobility domain in 11r). > A local trusted party (say, MDC - Mobility Domain Controller) helps > establish mutual authentication between these authenticators (key > holders in 11r) and derives mutual Key Encryption Keys (KEKs). These > KEKs will be used for secure delivery of PMK-R1 keys from R0KH to R1KHs. > AAA server may not have any knowledge of this key hierarchy (by design), > and distribution. > > Best Regards, > > Kapil. > 503.264.3759 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 [mailto:Madjid.Nakhjiri@motorola.com] > > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:11 PM > > To: Renwei Li; Jari Arkko; Bernard Aboba > > Cc: eap@frascone.com; aboba@internaut.com > > Subject: RE: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA > KeyCaching effectively > > prohibited? > > > > Not really sure what you mean by creating a scenario. This is a real > > life deployment. 11r has defined key holders. > > And what is wrong with trusted man in the middles? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Renwei Li [mailto:renwei@anqsystems.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:00 PM > > To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; Jari Arkko; Bernard Aboba > > Cc: eap@frascone.com; aboba@internaut.com > > Subject: Re: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA Key > > > Caching effectively prohibited? > > > > If we do so, we are effectively creating a scenario > > (Authenticated-)Man-in-the-Middle? Sounds familiar? > > > > Regards, > > > > Renwei > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 [mailto:Madjid.Nakhjiri@motorola.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 07:13 PM > > >To: 'Jari Arkko', 'Bernard Aboba' > > >Cc: eap@frascone.com, aboba@internaut.com > > >Subject: RE: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA > Key > > Caching effectively prohibited? > > > > > >Question: Does EAP keying allow sending keys to an entity other than > > >the initial authenticator, e.g. another AAA client or a key holder? > > >Or Does the EAP keying framework that prohibits keys being sent to an > > > >entity other than the initial authenticator? > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Madjid > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net] > > >Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:34 PM > > >To: Bernard Aboba > > >Cc: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; aboba@internaut.com; eap@frascone.com > > >Subject: Re: [eap] RE: Issue: AAA Key Caching effectively prohibited? > > > > > >Bernard Aboba wrote: > > > > > >> Under Joe's proposal, an AMSK created during the original exchange > > >> can > > > > > >> be cached in the AAA server. One way that "Key Request" could work > > > >> would be for the EAP peer to request that a key be sent to the new > > >> authenticator. It would make this request by contacting the new > > >> authenticator, which would generate a AAA request. The EAP peer > would > > > > >> mutually authenticate to the AAA server, demonstrate possession of > > >> the > > > > > >> cached AMSK, and then request that a key derived from that AMSK be > > >> sent to the new EAP authenticator. Via the AAA request the new > EAP > > >> authenticator would mutually authenticate to the AAA Server. > > >> > > >> So we have: > > >> > > >> a. Authentication of parties: EAP peer- AAA server; EAP > > >> authenticator - EAP server; EAP peer-authenticator (through a > > >> subsequent SAP exchange) > > >> > > >> b. Freshness. Presumably the EAP peer - AAA server exchange > includes > > > > >> nonces exchanged by both parties to ensure freshness of the derived > > > >> keys. Also the SAP exchange would include a nonce exchange. > > >> > > >> c. "Channel binding": The EAP peer requests that a key be sent via > > > >> the entity that it wants the key sent to. The new authenticator > > >> identifies itself to the AAA server, allowing the EAP peer and AAA > > >> server to verify that it is telling the same information to both > the > > >> AAA server and EAP peer. > > > > > >I like this. What do we need to make this possible in the keying > > >framework? > > > > > >- Say EMSK is kept in method layer > > > > > >- Possibly say that EMSK can be deleted after AAA has made > > > its declaration of what application keys its going to need > > > (assuming we always know what applications are authorized > > > a priori - but I think that's a good assumption). > > > > > >- Clarify the caching and parent death rules for AMSks. > > > > > >--Jari > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > > >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > > > > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > -- Clint (JOATMON) Chaplin Wireless Security Technologist Wireless Standards Manager _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From erica@edstrom.com Thu Jan 19 23:22:49 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EznnV-0002CO-1V for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:22:49 -0500 Received: from 82-47-172-173.cable.ubr08.brad.blueyonder.co.uk (82-47-172-173.cable.ubr08.brad.blueyonder.co.uk [82.47.172.173]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id XAA02926 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from revelation@microsoft.com) by microsoft.com (6.01.2/2.0.95/Submit) id testicular; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:52:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:38:21 -0500 Message-Id: <9026.0076@microsoft.com> To: eap-archive@ietf.org Subject: Amazing, Adrienne From: Efren Craft Reply-To: brendon@ftpbox.mot.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------=84870704907" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --------=84870704907 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

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(v3.62.14) Business Reply-To: Claud Braun X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <31989121495.20060120161036@disneyana-exchange.com> To: eap-archive@ietf.org Subject: ATTENTION - Update Notification MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKDY Climbs from a low of $0.65 Last Month to a High Today of $1.72 ***TIME FOR A INVESTOR ALERT*** Symbol: DKDY Date: 20 Jan 2006 Current Price: $1.72 Short Term: $2.75+ Long Term: $3.75 - $4.25 Since Dec 19, and DKDY made initial annoucements of the agreement to begin nightly banquets in April 2006 at Qin E - Pang Palace (''the T h e m e P a r k''), they have climbed nearly 300% providing traders with huge returns on their investments. As per contract agreements DKDY now recieves an Initial Investment of $296,000 To Initiate the nightly dance banquets In April. Mr. Lei Ming, Chairman and President of Dark Dynamite Inc., commented, "The Dinner Show will revitalise the Qin dynasty dances and songs from over 2200 years ago, which is unparalleled in China... It is estimated that the Dinner Show will bring in an increase of 18,000 tourists per month, as well as a income growth of $3,420,000." DKDY has been managing the operations of the park and thus benifit from the increase in park revenues and traffic due to the banquets, dance shows, and the new highway making the park more accessable to tourists. Our Take On It. DKDY is a solid company with a number of influencial divisions internationally. There climb from $0.65 has certainly excited our members and brought them great returns. With Announcements of their curent projects proceeding as planned and increases in revenue following we expect to see more price jumps tomorrow and Wed. The News: DKDY is in schedule and recieving initial investments of $296,000 USD to produced the banquets listed in last weeks announcement. Last Week DKDY announced the agreement to begin nightly banquets in April 2006 that are expected to increase visitors to the park by over 18000 per month, doubling its annual attendance and creating an increase in re venues by over $3,400,000.00. Happy Trading Members! Enjoy the Ride, it's a good one.. 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(v3.51.10) CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: "Chase Goodman" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <9618629304.20060120083730@0500m.com> To: eap-archive@ietf.org Subject: Chase MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good day, commander, Goodman Good Bye Goodman Goodman Goodman Goodman Goodman Goodman Goodman Goodman Goodman Goodman From bd5sba@chti.com.tw Fri Jan 20 05:42:35 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eztj0-0007Vc-Vp for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:42:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA29654 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [221.198.215.122] (helo=billgates) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eztrh-00072e-Sp for eap-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:51:36 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:17:53 -0480 From: "Courtney Doherty" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.6.07) CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: "Courtney Doherty" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1080364286.20010121151753@chti.com.tw> To: eap-archive@ietf.org Subject: re: market News MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CWTD Price and Volume Climbs All Week. Todays Annoucement Will Push It Farther Company: China World Trade Corporation Symbol: CWTD Wed Close: $1.59 Thurs High: $1.76 Short Term: $2.25 - $2.50 Interest: Hot News Release Indicator: S T R O N G B U Y CWTD, has had several recent annoucements and the stock has been pushing up steadly bring our members a constant healthy return on there investment. Tomorrow will be no different. As we have informed you over the last week, CWTD offers a number of diverse services for corporations of all sizes and specificly those in Asia who are moving into the international market (go to the website read about them as there are to many cover in this release). This fact makes todays annoucement so exciting. Today CWTD annouced they had great success in the recent "World Financial Trade Forum". This kind of event exposes them to a larger client base and helps them expand their already large client base. Tuesday this week we saw a 23 Cent jump in price and a 176% increase in Heavy Trading after the annoucment of the new CEO. With this annoucement we expect the same kind of Jump come Friday morning, and an end of day frenzy before the market closes for the weekend so get in on it early. Just read up on there release today. China World Trade Corporation Organizes The World Trade Financial Forum with Xinhua PR Newswire - Jan 19, 2006 TIANHE, GUANGZHOU, China, Jan. 19 /Xinhua-PRNewswire/ -- China World Trade Corporation (OTC Bulletin Board: CWTD) ("CWTD") announced today the successful completion of the World Trade Financial Forum, held on December 18, 2005 at Beijing's Landmark Tower building in China. "We are extremely pleased with the large number of participants at the World Trade Financial Forum," said Mr. William Tsang, Chairman of CWTD. "The conference was well-attended and included many small-and-medium-sized enterprises seeking to access the international capital markets. Many of the attendees gave positive feedback about the high quality of the presenting speakers and the invaluable information provided. This was yet another event that further demonstrates the execution of our vision to bridge the Chinese business community and the international markets. One of our main strategic initiatives will be to continue organize such high profile events to benefit the business community while at the same time further branding CWTD as a comprehensive platform in providing business value added services." The Forum was jointly held by CWTD and Xinhua PR Newswire. Guest keynote speakers included well-respected professionals from varied fields such as legal, accounting and financial public relations all jointly focused on addressing the opportunities and challenges for listed Chinese companies seeking to raise funds and becoming a publicly listed company in the U.S. Statistics published on one of the leading Chinese internet portals revealed the growing needs of Chinese enterprises seeking initial public offerings in the various capital markets around the world. In 2004, there were approximately 84 initial public offerings of Chinese companies, representing a 75% increase over 2003. Highlights of the Forum include keynote presentation from Mr. Yujie Chen, Director of Xinhua PR Newswire, Mr. Arnold Tinter, Accountant from Tinter Scheifley Tang, LLP and Mr. Stephen E. Rounds from the Law Office of Stephen E Rounds. Members, This show, hosted by CWTD, was focused on exactly the services CWTD offers. You can imagine what a huge increase of clientelle this successful show will generate. Get in on e CWTD and have a great trading day. 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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:26:18 -0800 Message-ID: <008601c61e32$0f93f270$19013b0a@ntdev.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Thread-Index: AcYdKYIWgVdOEUq4Tsy448UokruYOgBBwu7Q X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2006 02:26:23.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[12928C70:01C61E32] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com, aboba@internaut.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >"Now the question is whether 802.11r handles R0KH handovers?" > >Strictly speaking, 802.11r will require the transmission of keying >material from an R0KH to an R1KH. Obviously, there are some security >requirements on this transmission, and we are putting there >requirements into the next version of the draft. IEEE 802.11rD1.0 supports a variety of handover techniques. These include "over the air" and "over the DS" modes. The "over the DS" mode allows the PTK to be established over the DS, and also enables the PMK/PTK lifetime to be established as well as synchronization of key scope, so it is more complete than IEEE 802.11i pre-authentication. As I understand it, a STA roaming within the Mobility Domain can expect "fast BSS transition" services to be operative, but the quality of those services may vary. For example, if the handover is being done between TAPs utilizing the same R1KH-ID (NAS-ID), then the PMK-R1 is likely to be available on the TAP and handover is likely to be very fast. If a transition is within the MD but between different R1KH-IDs (but the same R0KH-ID) then it is possible that the PMK-R1 has already been "pushed" so that handover will be very fast. However, it is also possible that the PMK-R1 will need to be "pulled" in which case extra delays will result. If a transition is within the MD but between different R0KH-IDs, then EAP authentication will be needed. However, I don't think this case really makes much sense since a Mobility Domain is by definition the set of TAPs within which handover is possible without EAP authentication. That would lead me to think that all TAPs within an MD should have the same R0KH-ID. But perhaps this is a misunderstanding/wishfull thinking. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C61E78.FDD2D780-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sat Jan 21 01:31:05 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F0CHB-0000Rw-79 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:31:05 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA05015 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4B7430161 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75E04300BD for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:30:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9171780C100 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:30:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3B880C0FB for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:30:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46336898A6; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:30:34 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A6A89852; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:30:33 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43D1D526.7090101@piuha.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:31:02 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com, secmech@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Subject: [eap] FW: WG Action: EAP Method Update (emu) X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The EMU WG has been created. There's a new list (see below), please subscribe to it. --Jari IESG Secretary wrote: >A new IETF working group has been formed in the Security Area. For additional >information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. > >+++ > >EAP Method Update (emu) >======================== > >Current Status: Active Working Group > >Chairs: >Jari Arkko >Joe Salowey > >Security Area Director(s): >Russ Housley >Sam Hartman > >Security Area Advisor: >Sam Hartman > >Mailing Lists: >General Discussion: emu@ietf.org >To Subscribe: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/emu >Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/emu/current/index.html > > >Description of Working Group: > >The Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) [RFC 3748] is a network >access authentication framework used in the PPP, 802.11, 802.16, VPN, >PANA, and in some functions in 3G networks. EAP itself is a simple >protocol and actual authentication happens in EAP methods. > >Over 40 different EAP methods exist. Most of this methods are >proprietary methods and only a few methods are documented in RFCs. The >lack of documented, open specifications is a deployment and >interoperability problem. In addition, none of the EAP methods in the >standards track implement features such as key derivation that are >required for many modern applications. This poses a problem for, among >other things, the selection of a mandatory to implement EAP method in >new network access technologies. For example, no standards track >methods meet new requirements such as those posed in RFC 4017, which >documents IEEE 802.11 requirements for EAP methods. > >This group is chartered to work on the following types of mechanisms to >meet RFC 3748 and RFC 4017 requirements: > >- An update to RFC 2716 to bring EAP-TLS into standards track, clarify >specification, interoperability, and implementation issues gathered over >the years, and update the document to meet the requirements of RFC 3748, >RFC 4017, and EAP keying framework documents. Backwards compatibility with >RFC 2716 is a requirement. > >- Enhanced functionality to enable a TLS-based EAP method to support >authentication methods beyond certificates, channel bindings and other >optional functions required in RFC 4017. So as to enable RFC 2716bis to >focus solely on clarifications to the existing protocol, this effort >will be handled in a separate document. Depending on an analysis of the >behavior of existing implementations, it is possible that this effort >may be able to use the existing EAP-TLS type code, or it may need to be >handled via assignment of a new EAP Type Code. > >- A mechanism based on strong shared secrets that meets RFC 3748 and RFC >4017 requirements. This mechanism should strive to be simple and >compact for implementation in resource constrained environments. > >- A mechanism meeting RFC 3748 and RFC 4017 requirements that makes use >of existing password databases such as AAA databases. The implementation >should strive to be usable in resource constrained environments. > >In order to facilitate the development of the shared secret and password >based methods design teams will be formed. 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From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sun Jan 22 22:03:24 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F0rzH-00032e-NV for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:03:24 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA08620 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7AC430168 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:03:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5E743006B for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:03:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E20398061 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:03:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D751C398063 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:03:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i7so877634wra for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:03:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ljJ6ZJ2I/z7lwrXSa3ey3PIBkLedGx9ooTby2/YYquTzPuJ0JTkQsOjc61c+laUnAoPyoIagUTXpqYVSzu8tlDtUqgfxbuyaXJnPChWrHqeiCOY0jGQdM2nCs42wnC/dd0Ooq39aDwYLCIWdnqvtsh86NQnuhL+7dZMOszQTcsE= Received: by 10.54.135.7 with SMTP id i7mr7051149wrd; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:03:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.78.15 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:03:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:03:00 -0800 From: Clint Chaplin To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] sending keys to authenticator?: was: Issue: AAA KeyCaching effectively prohibited? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.024 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=RCVD_BY_IP Cc: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 , eap@frascone.com, aboba@internaut.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The current draft of IEEE 802.11r allows the use of multiple R0KH, each of which can (and should!) have a different R0KH-ID. I can think of at least one architecture where this might be desirable: LWAPP style arcitecture where each switch had it's own R0KH. On 1/20/06, Bernard Aboba wrote: > > >"Now the question is whether 802.11r handles R0KH handovers?" > > > >Strictly speaking, 802.11r will require the transmission of keying > >material from an R0KH to an R1KH. Obviously, there are some security > >requirements on this transmission, and we are putting there > >requirements into the next version of the draft. > > IEEE 802.11rD1.0 supports a variety of handover techniques. > > These include "over the air" and "over the DS" modes. The "over the DS" > mode allows the PTK to be established over the DS, and also enables the > PMK/PTK lifetime to be established as well as synchronization of key scop= e, > so it is more complete than IEEE 802.11i pre-authentication. > > As I understand it, a STA roaming within the Mobility Domain can expect > "fast BSS transition" services to be operative, but the quality of those > services may vary. For example, if the handover is being done between TA= Ps > utilizing the same R1KH-ID (NAS-ID), then the PMK-R1 is likely to be > available on the TAP and handover is likely to be very fast. > > If a transition is within the MD but between different R1KH-IDs (but the > same R0KH-ID) then it is possible that the PMK-R1 has already been "pushe= d" > so that handover will be very fast. However, it is also possible that th= e > PMK-R1 will need to be "pulled" in which case extra delays will result. > > If a transition is within the MD but between different R0KH-IDs, then EAP > authentication will be needed. However, I don't think this case really > makes much sense since a Mobility Domain is by definition the set of TAPs > within which handover is possible without EAP authentication. That would > lead me to think that all TAPs within an MD should have the same R0KH-ID. > But perhaps this is a misunderstanding/wishfull thinking. 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    ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C62005.ADD54B80-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 23 00:21:20 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F0u8l-0000wj-Vq for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:21:20 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA16713 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FA4430097 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EEB43006B for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B80C39803E for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f31.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.41]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE08039801B for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:20:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:20:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.54.40.254] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:20:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 05:20:57.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA4BA8A0:01C61FDC] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Re: Issue 326: Identifiers X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id AAA16713 Question: can you supply text for the additional material on "Identifie= r=20 attributes"? How about the following: "The combination of the Peer-ID and Server-ID may uniquely specify the endpoints of the EAP method exchange when they are provided." Issue 326: Identifiers Submitter name: Joe Salowey Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com Date Submitted: December 1, 2005 Reference: Document: Keying-08 Comment type: T Priority: 1 Section: 1 Rationale/Explanation of issue: " EAP methods also MAY export method-specific peer and server identifiers (peer-ID and server-ID), a method-specific EAP conversation identifier known as the Method-ID, and the lifetime of the exported keys, known the Key-Lifetime. EAP methods MAY also support the import and export of Channel Bindings. New EAP method specifications MUST define the Peer-ID, Server-ID and Method-ID. The combination of the Peer-ID and Server-ID uniquely specifies the endpoints of the EAP method exchange." It seems that additional data associated with the identity should be exported to satisfy section 1.3. Suggestion is to add this and call them identity attributes. In this paragraph it states that the "Peer-ID and Server-ID uniquely specifies the=A0=A0endpoints of the EAP method exchange", however further= down=20 it states that these quantities may be null. This is contradictory. Suggested modification to above text: "The combination of the Peer-ID and Server-ID may uniquely specify the endpoints of the EAP method exchange if the method supports unique IDs." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 23 00:23:40 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F0uB2-0001G5-Js for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:23:40 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA16807 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA8D43013A for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB7543006B for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BF480C0F4 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f21.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.31]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA17A80C0ED for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:23:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:23:18 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:23:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.54.40.254] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:23:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 05:23:18.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E638570:01C61FDD] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Proposed resolution to Issue 327: PANA and the EAP Key management framework X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com The text of Issue 327 is enclosed below. The intent of Section 2.3 is to review use of EAP within documents that have already been published. PANA is still under review, and it appears that there are a number of issues that still need to be ironed out. Therefore, I'd suggest that we omit discussion of PANA in this document. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Issue 327: PANA and EAP Keying Framework Submitter name: Yoshihro Ohba Submitter email address: yohba@tari.toshiba.com Date Submitted: January 9, 2006 Reference: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap/msg03860.html Document: Keying-08 Comment type: T Priority: 1 Section: 2.3 Rationale/Explanation of issue: It would be useful to add some description on how PANA handle the caching of EAP keying material and the generation of transient session keys. Requested change: Add the following description in Section 2.3: "PANA PANA [I-D.ietf-pana-pana] supports caching of the MSK, but not the EMSK, IV, Session-ID, Peer-ID or Server-ID. In the PANA model [I-D.ietf-pana-framework], TSKs are generated using a Secure Association Protocol between the peer and and authenticator port (which is referred to as an Enforcement Point), where both link-layer specific key exchange protocols and IKE can be used as the Secure Association Protocol depending on whether link-layer ciphering or IPsec is used between the peer and the authenticator port. The key scope and lifetime of the TSKs are communicated from the authenticator to the peer. The key scope is specified as a list of device identifiers of the Enforcement Points. Depending on the Secure Association Protocol in use, TSK rekey is possible without EAP re-authentication." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 23 00:26:13 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F0uDV-0001bJ-MM for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:26:13 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA16977 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F8F4300F2 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:26:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7660043006B for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:25:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FDB39803E for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:25:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f29.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.39]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD66839801B for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:25:52 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:25:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.54.40.254] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:25:51 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 05:25:52.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A266D50:01C61FDD] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Re: Issue 325: Channel Bindings X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com It sounds like we have agreed to further develop the text on channel bindings. Can someone supply text? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Issue 325: Channel Bindings Submitter name: Joe Salowey Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com Date Submitted: December 1, 2005 Reference: Document: Keying-08 Comment type: T Priority: 1 Section: 1.3, 1.4 Rationale/Explanation of issue: Section 1.3 There are two styles of channel bindings that may be supported by EAP methods. The text in this section describes exportable channel bindings. There is also the approach where the bindings are non exportable. In this case the method does a binary comparison of the channel bindings or hash of the channel bindings and fails if the result does not match. I can see the possibility of a method supporting both styles. Should we include both? Section 1.4 Exportable channel binding are references in this section, non-exportable ones are not. If we make changes to this affect above then we should change it here as well. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 23 00:29:37 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F0uGn-0002DX-An for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:29:37 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA17095 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1547143013A for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:29:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4C743006B for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:29:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D9E398064 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f5.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.15]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41734398062 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:29:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:29:14 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:29:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.54.40.254] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:29:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 05:29:14.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2DF45F0:01C61FDD] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Re: Issue 322: Key Scope X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id AAA17095 Has this issue been addressed in -09, or are more changes needed? Issue 322: Key Scope Submitter name: Joe Salowey Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com Date Submitted: December 1, 2005 Reference: Document: Keying-08 Comment type: T Priority: 1 Section: 2.4 Rationale/Explanation of issue: The key scope section is a little hard to understand. --- There is a lot of discussion about authenticator architecture which probably should be pulled into a separate section on authenticator architecture. --- The key scope recommendations should specify which key it refers to. I believe it refers to the AAA-key. --- There could be some more generic text about key scoping that describes the requirements in the lower layer such as: - Identify what parameters in the lower layer define the key scope - In phase 0 communicate lower layer parameters that identify the key scope between Peer and Authenticator - If channel bindings are supported then include these parameters in the channel bindings in phase 1a - The peer can now use the key scope parameters to determine if it has correct keys for phase 2 lower layer protocol interactions =A0 Requested change: Move the description of authenticator architecture to its own section ---- Include in the key scoping section introduction (2.4) something along the lines of the following text: "Since authenticator architectures and deployment scenarios vary the usable scope of the keys derived by the peer and server and sent to the authenticator vary. By defining a key scope a lower layer can take advantage of key caches in the system to optimize lower layer interactions. In order to address key scoping the following needs to be specified by the lower layer: - Identify what parameters in the lower layer define the key scope - In phase 0 communicate lower layer parameters that identify the key scope between Peer and Authenticator - If channel bindings are supported then include these parameters in the channel bindings in phase 1a - The peer can now use the key scope parameters to determine if it has correct keys for phase 2 lower layer protocol interactions" The following sections describe key scoping with respect to the AAA-Key that is sent to the authenticator for lower layer protection. It is possible that a lower layer may define other keys and key uses which need to have scoping applied. --- Make it clear that remaining parts of sections 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 refer to the AAA-Key. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 23 00:41:02 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F0uRq-0003u0-0s for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:41:02 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA17704 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDEF7430118 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:41:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A7743006B for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A279E80C0EE for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f33.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.43]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF04A80C0F4 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:40:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:40:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.54.40.254] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:40:46 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 05:40:47.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F9C48B0:01C61FDF] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Proposed Resolution of Issue 320: Use of term Lower Layer X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id AAA17704 The text of Issue 320 is enclosed below. The proposed resolution is to=20 accept the changes, with modifications to one of the suggestions as follo= ws: Change "The exception to the "no sharing" rule is the AAA layer. On EAP server, keying material requested by and passed down to the AAA layer may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be maintained. " To "On the EAP server, keying material requested by and passed down to the A= AA=20 layer may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be maintain= ed. However, the EMSK MUST NOT be transported by the AAA layer." -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------------------------------- Issue 320: Use of term lower layer Submitter name: Joe Salowey Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com Date Submitted: December 1, 2005 Reference: Document: Keying-08 Comment type: E Priority: 1 Section: 2 Rationale/Explanation of issue: The term lower layer is used inconsistently in the document. Lower layer should refer to the protocol between the EAP Peer and the EAP Authenticator. It is between these entities that the security association protocol is typically run. The MSK is transported to the lower layer. AAA is not an EAP lower layer except in the special case where the AAA client and server are acting as the EAP Peer and EAP Authenticator for some reason (an example of this could was in EUSM). Entities other than the lower layer may obtain keys derived from the EMSK. Requested change: Section 2.1 ----------- change "Of these phases, Phase 0, 1b and Phase 2 are handled by a lower layer." To "Of these phases, Phase 0, 1b and Phase 2 are handled external to EAP. Phases 0 and 2 are handled by the lower layer protocol and phase 1b is typically handled by a AAA protocol." Section 2.2 ------------ (remove references to IV) --- Change "The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to the lower layer, nor is it permitted to pass any quantity to the lower layer from which the EMSK could be computed without breaking some cryptographic assumption, such as inverting a one-way function." To "The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to an entity outside the EAP server or peer, nor is it permitted to pass any quantity to an entity outside the = EAP server or peer from which the EMSK could be computed without breaking som= e=20 cryptographic assumption, such as inverting a one-way function." --- Change "In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, lower layers other than AAA MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP methods. " To "In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, =A0lower layers MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP =A0methods." --- Change "EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer other than AAA MUST NOT be transported to another entity." To "EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer MUST NOT be transported to another entity." --- Change "The exception to the "no sharing" rule is the AAA layer. On EAP server, keying material requested by and passed down to the AAA layer may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be maintained. " To "The AAA layer may transport keys that are exported from the EAP server. On the EAP server, keying material requested by and passed down to the AA= A=20 layer may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be=20 maintained." ----------- Section 2.3 ----------- Change "The caching behavior of existing EAP lower layers is as follows:" To "The caching behavior of existing EAP lower layers and AAA layers is as follows:" _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From LauraJensen@jennalyn.net Mon Jan 23 01:40:09 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F0vN2-0005PH-13 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:40:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA21650 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F0vWJ-0002SA-7g for eap-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:49:44 -0500 Received: from c-24-14-128-144.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.14.128.144]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1F0vMt-0000rA-BE; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:40:01 -0500 Received: from zD8@localhost by XCC.int (8.11.6/8.11.6); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:41:24 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Sarah Knight" Reply-To: "Sarah Knight" To: eap-archive@ietf.org, ts@ietf.org Subject: Huge $avings on ALL best-selling Microsoft titles Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:34:24 +0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2730.2 X-Sender: LauraJensen@jennalyn.net Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--tuNqSApyhy7AMOF1iFRs" X-Spam-Score: 3.7 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: f60fbf3dbcaca652b6d10036f0630412 EQO ----tuNqSApyhy7AMOF1iFRs Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable T
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C62039.3E794F00-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 23 10:21:09 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F13VE-0001tT-WA for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:21:09 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA26678 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D554300D7 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:21:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E2E430058 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:20:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BBB80C10C for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:20:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f8.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.18]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F54980C0FF for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:20:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:20:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.54.40.74] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com, eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution of Issue 320: Use of term Lower Layer Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:20:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 15:20:49.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[977A1FC0:01C62030] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id KAA26678 Additional changes required to resolve this issue: Change: "Existing EAP lower layers handle the caching of EAP keying material and the generation of transient session keys in different ways:" To: "Existing EAP lower layers and AAA layers handle the caching of EAP keyin= g material and the generation of transient session keys in different ways:" Change "Lower Layer" to "Lower Layer or AAA" in Figure 3. >The text of Issue 320 is enclosed below. The proposed resolution is to=20 >accept the changes, with modifications to one of the suggestions as=20 >follows: > >Change > >"The exception to the "no sharing" rule is the AAA layer. On EAP >server, keying material requested by and passed down to the AAA layer >may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the >authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying >material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication >conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be >maintained. " > >To > >"On the EAP server, keying material requested by and passed down to the = AAA=20 >layer >may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the >authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying >material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication >conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be=20 >maintained. >However, the EMSK MUST NOT be transported by the AAA layer." > >------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------- >Issue 320: Use of term lower layer >Submitter name: Joe Salowey >Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com >Date Submitted: December 1, 2005 >Reference: >Document: Keying-08 >Comment type: E >Priority: 1 >Section: 2 >Rationale/Explanation of issue: >The term lower layer is used inconsistently in the document. > >Lower layer should refer to the protocol between the EAP Peer and the >EAP Authenticator. It is between these entities that the security >association protocol is typically run. The MSK is transported to the >lower layer. > >AAA is not an EAP lower layer except in the special case where the AAA >client and server are acting as the EAP Peer and EAP Authenticator for >some reason (an example of this could was in EUSM). Entities other than >the lower layer may obtain keys derived from the EMSK. > >Requested change: > >Section 2.1 >----------- >change > >"Of these phases, Phase 0, 1b and Phase 2 are handled by a lower layer." > >To > >"Of these phases, Phase 0, 1b and Phase 2 are handled external to EAP. >Phases 0 and 2 are handled by the lower layer protocol and phase 1b is >typically handled by a AAA protocol." > >Section 2.2 >------------ >(remove references to IV) >--- >Change > >"The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to the lower layer, nor is it permitted >to pass any quantity to the lower layer from which the EMSK could be >computed without breaking some cryptographic assumption, such as >inverting a one-way function." > >To > >"The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to an entity outside the EAP server or >peer, nor is it permitted to pass any quantity to an entity outside the= =20 >EAP >server or peer from which the EMSK could be computed without breaking so= me=20 >cryptographic assumption, such as >inverting a one-way function." >--- >Change > >"In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, >lower layers other than AAA MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP >methods. " > >To > >"In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, >=A0lower layers MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP >=A0methods." >--- >Change > >"EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer other >than AAA MUST NOT be transported to another entity." > >To > >"EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer MUST NOT >be transported to another entity." >--- >Change > >"The exception to the "no sharing" rule is the AAA layer. On EAP >server, keying material requested by and passed down to the AAA layer >may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the >authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying >material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication >conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be >maintained. " > >To > >"The AAA layer may transport keys that are exported from the EAP server. >On the EAP server, keying material requested by and passed down to the A= AA=20 >layer >may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the >authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying >material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication >conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be=20 >maintained." > >----------- >Section 2.3 >----------- > >Change >"The caching behavior of existing EAP lower layers is as follows:" > >To > >"The caching behavior of existing EAP lower layers and AAA layers is as >follows:" > > >_________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 23 10:32:04 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F13fo-0004xs-Em for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:32:04 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA27454 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295FB430076 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:32:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4262430058 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:31:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1BB39805F for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:31:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f20.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.30]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACFC398010 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:31:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:31:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.54.40.74] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com, eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution of Issue 320: Use of term Lower Layer Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:31:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 15:31:45.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DFF92E0:01C62032] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id KAA27454 One more: Change the first two paragraphs of Section 2.2 to: "As illustrated in Figure 3, on completion of EAP authentication, EAP=20 methods export the Master Session Key (MSK), Extended Master Session Key (EMSK), Peer-ID, Server-ID, Session-ID and Key-Lifetime to the EAP peer or authenticator=20 layers. The Initialization Vector (IV) is deprecated. The EAP peer and authenticator layers MUST NOT modify or cache keying material or parameters (including Channel Bindings) passing in either direction between the EAP method layer and the EAP layer. The EAP layer also MUST NOT cache keying material or parameters (including Channel Bindings) passed to it, whether by the EAP=20 peer/authenticator layer, the lower layer or the AAA layer." >Additional changes required to resolve this issue: > >Change: > >"Existing EAP lower layers handle the caching of EAP keying >material and the generation of transient session keys in >different ways:" > >To: > >"Existing EAP lower layers and AAA layers handle the caching of EAP keyi= ng >material and the generation of transient session keys in >different ways:" > >Change "Lower Layer" to "Lower Layer or AAA" in Figure 3. > >>The text of Issue 320 is enclosed below. The proposed resolution is to= =20 >>accept the changes, with modifications to one of the suggestions as=20 >>follows: >> >>Change >> >>"The exception to the "no sharing" rule is the AAA layer. On EAP >>server, keying material requested by and passed down to the AAA layer >>may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the >>authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying >>material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication >>conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be >>maintained. " >> >>To >> >>"On the EAP server, keying material requested by and passed down to the= =20 >>AAA layer >>may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the >>authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying >>material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication >>conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be=20 >>maintained. >>However, the EMSK MUST NOT be transported by the AAA layer." >> >>-----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------- >>Issue 320: Use of term lower layer >>Submitter name: Joe Salowey >>Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com >>Date Submitted: December 1, 2005 >>Reference: >>Document: Keying-08 >>Comment type: E >>Priority: 1 >>Section: 2 >>Rationale/Explanation of issue: >>The term lower layer is used inconsistently in the document. >> >>Lower layer should refer to the protocol between the EAP Peer and the >>EAP Authenticator. It is between these entities that the security >>association protocol is typically run. The MSK is transported to the >>lower layer. >> >>AAA is not an EAP lower layer except in the special case where the AAA >>client and server are acting as the EAP Peer and EAP Authenticator for >>some reason (an example of this could was in EUSM). Entities other tha= n >>the lower layer may obtain keys derived from the EMSK. >> >>Requested change: >> >>Section 2.1 >>----------- >>change >> >>"Of these phases, Phase 0, 1b and Phase 2 are handled by a lower layer.= " >> >>To >> >>"Of these phases, Phase 0, 1b and Phase 2 are handled external to EAP. >>Phases 0 and 2 are handled by the lower layer protocol and phase 1b is >>typically handled by a AAA protocol." >> >>Section 2.2 >>------------ >>(remove references to IV) >>--- >>Change >> >>"The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to the lower layer, nor is it permitted >>to pass any quantity to the lower layer from which the EMSK could be >>computed without breaking some cryptographic assumption, such as >>inverting a one-way function." >> >>To >> >>"The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to an entity outside the EAP server or >>peer, nor is it permitted to pass any quantity to an entity outside th= e=20 >>EAP >>server or peer from which the EMSK could be computed without breaking s= ome=20 >>cryptographic assumption, such as >>inverting a one-way function." >>--- >>Change >> >>"In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, >>lower layers other than AAA MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP >>methods. " >> >>To >> >>"In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, >>=A0lower layers MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP >>=A0methods." >>--- >>Change >> >>"EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer other >>than AAA MUST NOT be transported to another entity." >> >>To >> >>"EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer MUST NOT >>be transported to another entity." >>--- >>Change >> >>"The exception to the "no sharing" rule is the AAA layer. On EAP >>server, keying material requested by and passed down to the AAA layer >>may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the >>authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying >>material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication >>conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be >>maintained. " >> >>To >> >>"The AAA layer may transport keys that are exported from the EAP server. >>On the EAP server, keying material requested by and passed down to the = AAA=20 >>layer >>may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the >>authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying >>material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication >>conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be=20 >>maintained." >> >>----------- >>Section 2.3 >>----------- >> >>Change >>"The caching behavior of existing EAP lower layers is as follows:" >> >>To >> >>"The caching behavior of existing EAP lower layers and AAA layers is as >>follows:" >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >>http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap >> >>Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 23 11:34:03 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F14dn-0003J8-OJ for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:34:03 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA01163 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4E74300D9 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:34:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADA8430058 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43721398061 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:33:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f10.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.20]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DA839805F for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:33:30 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:33:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.54.40.74] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:33:29 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 16:33:30.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE5F0C90:01C6203A] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Maryline.Maknavicius@int-evry.fr Subject: [eap] Re: Issue 309: Review X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com The issue of the meaning of "lower layer" was also brought up in Issue 320. Are those changes sufficient to clarify the issue? Does the following change address the re-key issue? In Section 3.2, change: " As a result, while the lifetime of calculated keys can be less than or equal that of the exported keys they are derived from, it cannot be greater. For example, TSK re-key may occur prior to EAP re- authentication." To: " As a result, while the lifetime of calculated keys can be less than or equal that of the exported keys they are derived from, it cannot be greater. For example, when EAP re-authentication occurs, TSK re-key will also occur. However, this does not prohibit TSK re-key from occurring prior to expiration of the lifetime of exported keys. For example, TSK re-key may occur prior to EAP re-authentication." Here is some additional material on the EAP conversation phases: Add the following material to Section 2.1: Existing EAP lower layers implement phase 0, 2a and 2b in different ways: PPP PPP, defined in [RFC1661] does not support discovery, nor does it include a Secure Association Protocol. PPPOE PPPOE, defined in [RFC2516], includes support for a Discovery stage (phase 0). In this step, the EAP peer sends a PPPoE Active Discovery Initiation (PADI) packet to the broadcast address, indicating the service it is requesting. The Access Concentrator replies with a PPPOE Active Discovery Offer (PADO) packet containing its name, the service name and an indication of the services offered by the concentrator. The discovery phase is not secured. PPPOE, like PPP, does not include a Secure Association Protocol. IKEv2 IKEv2, defined in [RFC4306], handles the derivation of unicast security associations (phase 2a), while the derivation of multicast security associations (phase 2b) is handled in a separate group key management protocol, as described in [RFC4046]. Several mechanisms have been proposed for discovery of IPsec security gateways. [RFC2230] discusses the use of KX Resource Records (RRs) for IPsec gateway discovery. However, while KX RRs are supported by many DNS server implementations, they have not yet been widely deployed. Alternatively, DNS SRV [RFC2782] can be used for this purpose. Where DNS is used for gateway location, DNS security mechanisms such as DNSSEC ([RFC2535], [RFC2931]), TSIG [RFC2845], and Simple Secure Dynamic Update [RFC3007] are available. IEEE 802.11i IEEE 802.11, defined in [IEEE-802.11], handles discovery via the Beacon and Probe Request/Response mechanisms. EAP authenticators periodically announce their service names (SSIDs) as well as capabilities using Beacon frames. Alternatively, EAP peers can query for authenticators by sending a Probe Request to the broadcast address. The 4-way handshake defined in [IEEE-802.11i] enables the derivation of unicast (phase 2a) and multicast/broadcast (phase 2b) secure associations. Note that since the group key exchange transports a group key from the authenticator to the peer, two 4-way handshakes may be required in order to support peer-to-peer communications. IEEE 802.1X-2004 IEEE 802.1X-2004, defined in [IEEE-802.1X-2004] does not support discovery (phase 0), nor does it provide for derivation of unicast or multicast secure associations. IEEE 802.16e IEEE 802.16e, defined in [IEEE-802.16e] {need more text. Any volunteers?} ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Issue 309: Review Submitter name: Maryline Maknavicius Submitter email address: Maryline.Maknavicius@int-evry.fr Date first submitted: 11/09/2005 Reference: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap/msg03755.html Document: KEYING-08 Comment type: T Priority: S Section: Various Rationale/Explanation of issue Please find hereafter few comments on draft-ietf-eap-keying-08. 1. IMHO the meaning of "lower layer" should be clarified and make consistent through all the document. For instance, figure 3 and section 2.3 consider lower layer as including AAA, while figure 4 and associated explanations of section 2.2 consider AAA and lower layers separately. For instance, this does not help understanding section 2.4.1 : "[a] The lower layer MAY specify additional restrictions on key usage, such as limiting the use of EAP keying material and parameters on the EAP peer to the port over which on the EAP conversation was conducted." where I guess lower layer does not correspond to AAA, but I may have misunderstood. To clarify, I think a definition of "lower layers" is needed in section 1.2. 2. In section 2.1, a typical conversation with phases is given with no details on what applies for specific lower layer protocols like IKEv2, PPP, IEEE 802.11i... However, in section 2.3 (caching), explanations are personalized to each lower layer protocol, giving clues on how this framework should integrate in each protocol. I feel like a section (or an appendix) is missing on how this framework applies to current lower layer protocols. 3. Other clarifications needed in section 3.2: " As a result, while the lifetime of calculated keys can be less than or equal that of the exported keys they are derived from, it cannot be greater. For example, TSK re-key may occur prior to EAP re- authentication." I do not understand how the last sentence ("TSK re-key may occur prior to EAP re-authentication") illustrates that exported keys have greater/same lifetime than derived keys. 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>I see IPv4 addresses a lot as well... but only right at the edge of >network (at the far right of the path) Usually there is something else >nearby in the Path header field which is equivalent to POSTED. Well I posted my evidence in http://www.imc.org/ietf-usefor/mail-archive/msg01772.html, and indeed there was one site (uni-berline.de) that regularly did it when injecting, but there were others (over 1% of my sample) where it was in the middle. Here is a bunch of Paths with IP addresses in the middle. I have truncated the irelevant part of the Path up to the site of interest, and I have folded manually so you can see them. Path: ...!worldnet.att.net!207.14.113.17!news.alt.net!usenet Path: ...!worldnet.att.net!216.196.98.144!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com! nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.nildram.net! news.nildram.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Path: ...!worldnet.att.net!198.6.0.85!ash.uu.net!sl-news. Path: ...!worldnet.att.net!198.6.0.86!ash.uu.net!sl-news. Path: ...!worldnet.att.net!216.196.98.144!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com! border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com! local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.nildram.net!news.nildram.net.POSTED! not-for-mail Path: ...!worldnet.att.net!216.196.98.144!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com! border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com! local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.pipex.net!news.pipex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Path: ...!worldnet.att.net!216.196.98.144!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com! border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com! local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.nildram.net!news.nildram.net.POSTED! not-for-mail Path: ...!worldnet.att.net!207.14.113.17!news.alt.net!usenet Path: ...!worldnet.att.net!207.14.113.17!news.alt.net!usenet Path: ...!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!news.kjsl.com! news-peer-lilac.gradwell.net!not-for-mail Path: ...!worldnet.att.net!207.14.113.17!news.alt.net!usenet Path: ...!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!news.kjsl.com! news-peer-lilac.gradwell.net!news-peer.gradwell.net!news.markshouse.net Path: ...!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net! news.kjsl.com!news-peer-lilac.gradwell.net!not-for-mail Path: ...!worldnet.att.net!207.14.113.17!news.alt.net!usenet Path: ...!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net! news.kjsl.com!news-peer-lilac.gradwell.net!not-for-mail Path: ...!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!news.kjsl.com! news-peer-lilac.gradwell.net!not-for-mail Path: ...!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!news.kjsl.com! news-peer-lilac.gradwell.net!not-for-mail Path: ...!worldnet.att.net!129.250.169.16!pln-e!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com! newsp.newsguy.com!psp.co.uk!tfl Path: ...!worldnet.att.net!207.14.113.17!news.alt.net!usenet In the case of the worldnet.att.net, it is immediately apparent that the following IP adress correlates with the host received-from. 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Server 6.1 (built Apr 28 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0ITK007NMMMRHDB0@mail.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:28:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F1C2J-0006gW-OK; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:27:51 -0800 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:27:51 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] Re: Issue 325: Channel Bindings In-reply-to: To: Bernard Aboba Message-id: <20060124002751.GE22119@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline References: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com I had a discussion with Mohan and we have a doubt about usefulness of exportable channel binding. It appears that relying solely on the binary comparison does not prevent a rogue NAS from advertising the same incorrect parameters for both peer and authentication server. In fact it is stated in draft-arkko-eap-service-identity-auth-04.txt: " It is important to make a distinction between channel bindings and authenticating information related to the the pass-through authenticator. Channel bindings only ensure that the same information is available to the EAP peer and the AAA server. This alone does not prevent an authenticator from impersonating another authenticator if the AAA server blindly accepts any information received from the authenticator. To provide authentication, the AAA server has to verify that the information actually corresponds to the entity the AAA-Key is sent to. " On the other hand, the current Channel Binding definition in section 1.3 of eap-keying states: " Channel Bindings include lower layer parameters that are verified for consistency between the EAP peer and server. " This definition also seems to imply that the aspects of authenticating information related to the pass-through authenticator is not included in the "verification" process. But I think that the definition of Channel Binding should be revised to include the functionality of authenticating information related to the pass-through authenticator so that it can even prevent a rogue NAS from advertising the same incorrect parameters for both peer and authentication server, otherwise, Channel Binding is just incomplete. Along this line, it appears that the only way to prevent this is pre-configuring lower-layer parameters on a server. If so, exchanging lower-layer parameters in EAP methods does not make sense. On the other hand, draft-ohba-eap-aaakey-binding is incomplete as well because the solution still relies on the EAP authenticator to send a blob to the server. This seems to be a fundamental issue and we are currently working on a new channel binding I-D to address the above point I made (to be submitted in a few days.) Regards, Yoshihiro Ohba On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 09:25:51PM -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote: > It sounds like we have agreed to further develop the text on channel > bindings. Can someone supply text? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Issue 325: Channel Bindings > Submitter name: Joe Salowey > Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com > Date Submitted: December 1, 2005 > Reference: > Document: Keying-08 > Comment type: T > Priority: 1 > Section: 1.3, 1.4 > Rationale/Explanation of issue: > Section 1.3 > > There are two styles of channel bindings that may be supported by EAP > methods. The text in this section describes exportable channel bindings. > There is also the approach where the bindings are non exportable. In > this case the method does a binary comparison of the channel bindings or > hash of the channel bindings and fails if the result does not match. I > can see the possibility of a method supporting both styles. Should we > include both? > > Section 1.4 > > Exportable channel binding are references in this section, > non-exportable ones are not. If we make changes to this affect above > then we should change it here as well. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 23 20:54:17 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1DNx-0000mF-Fl for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:54:17 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA24231 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762B04300E5 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:54:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE05430076 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:54:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D1480C11A for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:54:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f5.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.15]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A609280C0F8 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:53:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:53:58 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:53:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [131.107.0.74] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060124002751.GE22119@steelhead> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: yohba@tari.toshiba.com Subject: Re: [eap] Re: Issue 325: Channel Bindings Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:53:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2006 01:53:58.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A694F80:01C62089] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Good point. Channel bindings is not just about verifying that the peer and server are told the same information by the authenticator. It is also about enabling the validation of the information itself. In practice, the validation will often require pre-configuration on the first-hop AAA server. For example, a first-hop proxy may need to: a. Validate the NAS-IP-Address/NAS-IPv6-Address/NAS-Identifier against the source IP address in the AAA packet b. Check the Called-Station-ID and other attributes against a pre-configured entry for the NAS c. Compare the Calling-Station-ID attribute against pre-configured entries for that User-Name, etc. All of this pre-configuration is expensive, and something of a management headache. As a result, it is not entirely clear to me that operators will be motivated to implement it, at least until the problem becomes big enough (e.g. fraud losses become substantial). >From: Yoshihiro Ohba >To: Bernard Aboba >CC: eap@frascone.com >Subject: Re: [eap] Re: Issue 325: Channel Bindings >Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:27:51 -0500 > >I had a discussion with Mohan and we have a doubt about usefulness of >exportable channel binding. It appears that relying solely on the >binary comparison does not prevent a rogue NAS from advertising the >same incorrect parameters for both peer and authentication server. >In fact it is stated in draft-arkko-eap-service-identity-auth-04.txt: > >" > It is important to make a distinction between channel bindings and > authenticating information related to the the pass-through > authenticator. Channel bindings only ensure that the same > information is available to the EAP peer and the AAA server. This > alone does not prevent an authenticator from impersonating another > authenticator if the AAA server blindly accepts any information > received from the authenticator. To provide authentication, the AAA > server has to verify that the information actually corresponds to the > entity the AAA-Key is sent to. >" > >On the other hand, the current Channel Binding definition in section >1.3 of eap-keying states: > >" > Channel Bindings include lower layer parameters that are verified for > consistency between the EAP peer and server. >" > >This definition also seems to imply that the aspects of authenticating >information related to the pass-through authenticator is not included >in the "verification" process. > >But I think that the definition of Channel Binding should be revised >to include the functionality of authenticating information related to >the pass-through authenticator so that it can even prevent a rogue NAS >from advertising the same incorrect parameters for both peer and >authentication server, otherwise, Channel Binding is just incomplete. >Along this line, it appears that the only way to prevent this is >pre-configuring lower-layer parameters on a server. If so, exchanging >lower-layer parameters in EAP methods does not make sense. On the >other hand, draft-ohba-eap-aaakey-binding is incomplete as well >because the solution still relies on the EAP authenticator to send a >blob to the server. > >This seems to be a fundamental issue and we are currently working on a >new channel binding I-D to address the above point I made (to be >submitted in a few days.) > >Regards, >Yoshihiro Ohba > > > >On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 09:25:51PM -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote: > > It sounds like we have agreed to further develop the text on channel > > bindings. Can someone supply text? > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Issue 325: Channel Bindings > > Submitter name: Joe Salowey > > Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com > > Date Submitted: December 1, 2005 > > Reference: > > Document: Keying-08 > > Comment type: T > > Priority: 1 > > Section: 1.3, 1.4 > > Rationale/Explanation of issue: > > Section 1.3 > > > > There are two styles of channel bindings that may be supported by EAP > > methods. The text in this section describes exportable channel bindings. > > There is also the approach where the bindings are non exportable. In > > this case the method does a binary comparison of the channel bindings or > > hash of the channel bindings and fails if the result does not match. I > > can see the possibility of a method supporting both styles. Should we > > include both? > > > > Section 1.4 > > > > Exportable channel binding are references in this section, > > non-exportable ones are not. If we make changes to this affect above > > then we should change it here as well. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Jan 23 21:27:40 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1DuG-0002dj-MB for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:27:40 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA26489 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE629430102 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:27:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0DB7430076 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8EE680C110 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F70280C122 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:27:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0O2RHub024620; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:27:17 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id k0O2RIac009979; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:27:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id MAA09956 ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:27:18 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0O2RGKs011996; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:27:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpoa.po.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id k0O2RDfH012815; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:27:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead ([172.30.24.104]) by mail.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 (built Apr 28 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0ITK00ERES526130@mail.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:27:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F1DtR-00070d-P7; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:26:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:26:49 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] Re: Issue 325: Channel Bindings In-reply-to: To: Bernard Aboba Message-id: <20060124022649.GI22119@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline References: <20060124002751.GE22119@steelhead> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 05:53:57PM -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote: > Good point. Channel bindings is not just about verifying that the peer > and server are told the same information by the authenticator. It is > also about enabling the validation of the information itself. > > In practice, the validation will often require pre-configuration on the > first-hop AAA server. For example, a first-hop proxy may need to: > > a. Validate the NAS-IP-Address/NAS-IPv6-Address/NAS-Identifier against > the source IP address in the AAA packet > > b. Check the Called-Station-ID and other attributes against a > pre-configured entry for the NAS > > c. Compare the Calling-Station-ID attribute against pre-configured > entries for that User-Name, etc. > > All of this pre-configuration is expensive, and something of a > management headache. As a result, it is not entirely clear to me that > operators will be motivated to implement it, at least until the problem > becomes big enough (e.g. fraud losses become substantial). Sure. This would lead to a requirement that the Channel Binding is an optional feature anyways. This means that some negotiation must occur between EAP peer and authentication server about the use of this functionality. This negotiation can be naturally provided by EAP methods since they run between EAP peer and EAP server where the EAP server is typically implemented on the authentication server. I think that this negotiation capability should be a requirement for an EAP method to claim Channel Binding support, rather than the one currently described in section 7.2.1 of RFC 3748, which is incomplete. (My personal opinion is that it is a bit early to close the EAP WG before completely solving the Channel Binding problem which seems to be also important for future work such as handover keying and preauth...) Regards, Yoshihiro Ohba > > > > > >From: Yoshihiro Ohba > >To: Bernard Aboba > >CC: eap@frascone.com > >Subject: Re: [eap] Re: Issue 325: Channel Bindings > >Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:27:51 -0500 > > > >I had a discussion with Mohan and we have a doubt about usefulness of > >exportable channel binding. It appears that relying solely on the > >binary comparison does not prevent a rogue NAS from advertising the > >same incorrect parameters for both peer and authentication server. > >In fact it is stated in draft-arkko-eap-service-identity-auth-04.txt: > > > >" > > It is important to make a distinction between channel bindings and > > authenticating information related to the the pass-through > > authenticator. Channel bindings only ensure that the same > > information is available to the EAP peer and the AAA server. This > > alone does not prevent an authenticator from impersonating another > > authenticator if the AAA server blindly accepts any information > > received from the authenticator. To provide authentication, the AAA > > server has to verify that the information actually corresponds to the > > entity the AAA-Key is sent to. > >" > > > >On the other hand, the current Channel Binding definition in section > >1.3 of eap-keying states: > > > >" > > Channel Bindings include lower layer parameters that are verified for > > consistency between the EAP peer and server. > >" > > > >This definition also seems to imply that the aspects of authenticating > >information related to the pass-through authenticator is not included > >in the "verification" process. > > > >But I think that the definition of Channel Binding should be revised > >to include the functionality of authenticating information related to > >the pass-through authenticator so that it can even prevent a rogue NAS > >from advertising the same incorrect parameters for both peer and > >authentication server, otherwise, Channel Binding is just incomplete. > >Along this line, it appears that the only way to prevent this is > >pre-configuring lower-layer parameters on a server. If so, exchanging > >lower-layer parameters in EAP methods does not make sense. On the > >other hand, draft-ohba-eap-aaakey-binding is incomplete as well > >because the solution still relies on the EAP authenticator to send a > >blob to the server. > > > >This seems to be a fundamental issue and we are currently working on a > >new channel binding I-D to address the above point I made (to be > >submitted in a few days.) > > > >Regards, > >Yoshihiro Ohba > > > > > > > >On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 09:25:51PM -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote: > >> It sounds like we have agreed to further develop the text on channel > >> bindings. Can someone supply text? > >> > >> > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Issue 325: Channel Bindings > >> Submitter name: Joe Salowey > >> Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com > >> Date Submitted: December 1, 2005 > >> Reference: > >> Document: Keying-08 > >> Comment type: T > >> Priority: 1 > >> Section: 1.3, 1.4 > >> Rationale/Explanation of issue: > >> Section 1.3 > >> > >> There are two styles of channel bindings that may be supported by EAP > >> methods. The text in this section describes exportable channel > >bindings. > >> There is also the approach where the bindings are non exportable. In > >> this case the method does a binary comparison of the channel bindings > >or > >> hash of the channel bindings and fails if the result does not match. > >I > >> can see the possibility of a method supporting both styles. 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DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] NETSEL Issue: Terminology issues X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Issue: Terminology issues Submitter name: Bernard aboba Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com Date Submitted: January 24, 2006 Reference: Document: NETSEL-03 Comment type: E Priority: S Section: Various Rationale/Explanation of issue: This document needs a terminology section. In particular, the term "network selection" is not defined, and appears to be used to refer to a number of fundamentally different problems. In looking at usage in other standards bodies (such as IEEE 802.11), the term has been used in a number of contexts, and at times it is hard to tell what context the document is discussing. For example: a. The term "Network Selection" has sometimes been used to describe the problem of choosing between interfaces. For example, one interface may be CDMA, and another may be 802.11; which interface should be used for outgoing traffic? I would propose that we call this "interface selection". b. The term has also been used to describe the problem of choosing between "points of attachment". For example, there are three APs out there, which one should my 802.11 interface choose? In this context, the term "network" may actually refer to a desire to avoid having to change IP addresses by retaining attachment to the same IP network or prefix. Perhaps the term "handoff candidate selection" might better describe this problem? c. Sometimes the term appears to be used as a synonym for "identity selection". Note that RFC 4284 is entitled "Identity Selection Hints for EAP"; the document does not use the term "network selection" except in reference to external work, such as this problem statement document. Given the confusion caused by conflicting usage of the term "network selection" I would recommend that the authors consider adding a terminology section in which this and other terms can be defined. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 24 20:03:13 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1Z45-0006Cz-LT for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:03:13 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA23281 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ADCA430113 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:03:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC90C430092 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:02:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F5C80C144 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:02:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f1.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.11]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674D480C137 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:02:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:02:51 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 01:02:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [131.107.0.71] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:02:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2006 01:02:51.0075 (UTC) FILETIME=[108FA130:01C6214B] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] NETSEL Issue: Reference Update X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Issue: Reference Update Submitter name: Bernard aboba Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com Date Submitted: January 24, 2006 Reference: Document: NETSEL-03 Comment type: E Priority: S Section: Various Rationale/Explanation of issue: A number of the references in the draft have now been updated. These include: [I-D.ietf-ipsec-ikev2] - now published as RFC 4306. [I-D.adrangi-eap-network-discovery] - now published as RFC 4284. [I-D.ietf-radext-rfc2486bis] - now published as RFC 4282. [IEEE.802.11-1999] - now updated as [IEEE.802.11-2003]. 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--------------JavaMail.648430328363-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 25 02:26:39 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1f35-0000gq-9a for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:26:39 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA17092 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B3D4300D2 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:26:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2506C43005A for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:26:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D4B80C006 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:26:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A0680C0F7 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:26:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2006 23:26:05 -0800 Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k0P7Q5WF017773; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:26:05 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution of Issue 320: Use of term Lower Layer Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:32:32 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE690683CA9D@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] Proposed Resolution of Issue 320: Use of term Lower Layer Thread-Index: AcYgMwlFwxBs/753T3WI0EqIjGouZgBTXt1Q From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Bernard Aboba" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This looks good to me. =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:32 AM > To: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com; eap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution of Issue 320: Use of=20 > term Lower Layer >=20 > One more: >=20 > Change the first two paragraphs of Section 2.2 to: >=20 > "As illustrated in Figure 3, on completion of EAP authentication, EAP=20 > methods > export the Master Session Key (MSK), Extended > Master Session Key (EMSK), Peer-ID, > Server-ID, Session-ID and Key-Lifetime to the EAP peer or=20 > authenticator=20 > layers. The > Initialization Vector (IV) is > deprecated. >=20 > The EAP peer and authenticator layers MUST NOT modify or cache > keying material or parameters (including Channel Bindings) > passing in either direction between > the EAP method layer and the EAP layer. > The EAP layer also MUST NOT cache keying material or parameters > (including Channel Bindings) passed to it, whether by the EAP=20 > peer/authenticator > layer, the lower layer or the AAA layer." >=20 > >Additional changes required to resolve this issue: > > > >Change: > > > >"Existing EAP lower layers handle the caching of EAP keying > >material and the generation of transient session keys in > >different ways:" > > > >To: > > > >"Existing EAP lower layers and AAA layers handle the caching=20 > of EAP keying > >material and the generation of transient session keys in > >different ways:" > > > >Change "Lower Layer" to "Lower Layer or AAA" in Figure 3. > > > >>The text of Issue 320 is enclosed below. The proposed=20 > resolution is to=20 > >>accept the changes, with modifications to one of the suggestions as=20 > >>follows: > >> > >>Change > >> > >>"The exception to the "no sharing" rule is the AAA layer. On EAP > >>server, keying material requested by and passed down to the=20 > AAA layer > >>may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the > >>authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying > >>material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication > >>conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be > >>maintained. " > >> > >>To > >> > >>"On the EAP server, keying material requested by and passed=20 > down to the=20 > >>AAA layer > >>may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the > >>authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying > >>material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication > >>conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be=20 > >>maintained. > >>However, the EMSK MUST NOT be transported by the AAA layer." > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------- > >>Issue 320: Use of term lower layer > >>Submitter name: Joe Salowey > >>Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com > >>Date Submitted: December 1, 2005 > >>Reference: > >>Document: Keying-08 > >>Comment type: E > >>Priority: 1 > >>Section: 2 > >>Rationale/Explanation of issue: > >>The term lower layer is used inconsistently in the document. > >> > >>Lower layer should refer to the protocol between the EAP=20 > Peer and the > >>EAP Authenticator. It is between these entities that the security > >>association protocol is typically run. The MSK is=20 > transported to the > >>lower layer. > >> > >>AAA is not an EAP lower layer except in the special case=20 > where the AAA > >>client and server are acting as the EAP Peer and EAP=20 > Authenticator for > >>some reason (an example of this could was in EUSM). =20 > Entities other than > >>the lower layer may obtain keys derived from the EMSK. > >> > >>Requested change: > >> > >>Section 2.1 > >>----------- > >>change > >> > >>"Of these phases, Phase 0, 1b and Phase 2 are handled by a=20 > lower layer." > >> > >>To > >> > >>"Of these phases, Phase 0, 1b and Phase 2 are handled=20 > external to EAP. > >>Phases 0 and 2 are handled by the lower layer protocol and=20 > phase 1b is > >>typically handled by a AAA protocol." > >> > >>Section 2.2 > >>------------ > >>(remove references to IV) > >>--- > >>Change > >> > >>"The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to the lower layer, nor is=20 > it permitted > >>to pass any quantity to the lower layer from which the EMSK could be > >>computed without breaking some cryptographic assumption, such as > >>inverting a one-way function." > >> > >>To > >> > >>"The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to an entity outside the EAP=20 > server or > >>peer, nor is it permitted to pass any quantity to an=20 > entity outside the=20 > >>EAP > >>server or peer from which the EMSK could be computed=20 > without breaking some=20 > >>cryptographic assumption, such as > >>inverting a one-way function." > >>--- > >>Change > >> > >>"In order to preserve the security of keys derived within=20 > EAP methods, > >>lower layers other than AAA MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP > >>methods. " > >> > >>To > >> > >>"In order to preserve the security of keys derived within=20 > EAP methods, > >>=A0lower layers MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP > >>=A0methods." > >>--- > >>Change > >> > >>"EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer other > >>than AAA MUST NOT be transported to another entity." > >> > >>To > >> > >>"EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower=20 > layer MUST NOT > >>be transported to another entity." > >>--- > >>Change > >> > >>"The exception to the "no sharing" rule is the AAA layer. On EAP > >>server, keying material requested by and passed down to the=20 > AAA layer > >>may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the > >>authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying > >>material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication > >>conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be > >>maintained. " > >> > >>To > >> > >>"The AAA layer may transport keys that are exported from=20 > the EAP server. > >>On the EAP server, keying material requested by and passed=20 > down to the AAA=20 > >>layer > >>may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the > >>authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying > >>material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication > >>conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be=20 > >>maintained." > >> > >>----------- > >>Section 2.3 > >>----------- > >> > >>Change > >>"The caching behavior of existing EAP lower layers is as follows:" > >> > >>To > >> > >>"The caching behavior of existing EAP lower layers and AAA=20 > layers is as > >>follows:" > >> > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > >>http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >> > >>Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > > > > >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap >=20 > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap >=20 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 25 02:42:51 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1fIp-0006sy-BA for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:42:51 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA17740 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:41:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CA24300A4 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82CA43005A for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6CE80C139 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F356A80C135 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2006 23:42:36 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,215,1136188800"; d="scan'208"; a="396049428:sNHT31459808" Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k0P7gaWF025990; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:42:36 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:49:03 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE690683CA9E@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache Thread-Index: AcYWMQBcwWns5kHcQYKuU62k56likwAnOXJAAN8KyIAAMXykAAGcU36Q From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Bernard Aboba" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about: "In order to prevent keys from exposure beyond their intended usage a key should not typically be both transported and cached by an entity. An entity may cache a key for the purpose of deriving additional keys for other uses. In this case they cached key should only be used for key derivation purposes and the key derivation function should provide cryptographic separation between the derived keys and the cached key." > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:Bernard_Aboba@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:46 PM > To: Salowey, Joe; eap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache >=20 > [Joe] Why do you want to use the same key in both places? >=20 > [BA] I don't know why that would be necessary or desirable. =20 >=20 > [Joe] If I understand the current text correctly it is stating that an > entity should not simultaneously cache and transport a key. =20 > In general > this is good practice because it prevents reuse of a key, if you are > going to give someone else a key for a specific purpose you should not > hold onto it for another use. While I don't agree with a MUST NOT > cache transported keys, I would question why you would want=20 > to do this. > It seems that the current text allows one to cache a key and=20 > export keys > derived from it. Perhaps the text should explicitly say so.=20 >=20 > [BA] That sounds reasonable. 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    ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C621AD.A355B600-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 25 03:00:06 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1fZW-0003sU-3S for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:00:06 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA18693 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82174300A5 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D03443005A for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C391398073 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C077D398072 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:59:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2006 23:59:38 -0800 Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k0P7xbjt023331; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:59:37 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Re: Issue 326: Identifiers Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:06:04 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE690683CA9F@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] Re: Issue 326: Identifiers Thread-Index: AcYf3bZmuMNelQCETZS+B4q3JKvrTwBpZI9A From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Bernard Aboba" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:21 PM > To: eap@frascone.com > Subject: [eap] Re: Issue 326: Identifiers >=20 > Question: can you supply text for the additional material=20 > on "Identifier=20 > attributes"? [Joe] How about: "The EAP method may export additional identity attributes that are = associated with the authenticated identity. These attributes may be = obtained from exchanged credentials such as certificates attributes, = from information stored in a database entry associated with the = identity, or from a trusted third party. This information may be used = for authorization purposes in the lower layer or the AAA layer. " >=20 > How about the following: >=20 > "The combination of the Peer-ID and Server-ID may uniquely specify the > endpoints of the EAP method exchange when they are provided." >=20 [Joe] Looks OK. >=20 >=20 > Issue 326: Identifiers > Submitter name: Joe Salowey > Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com > Date Submitted: December 1, 2005 > Reference: > Document: Keying-08 > Comment type: T > Priority: 1 > Section: 1 > Rationale/Explanation of issue: >=20 > " EAP methods also MAY export method-specific peer and server > identifiers (peer-ID and server-ID), a method-specific EAP > conversation identifier known as the Method-ID, and the lifetime of > the exported keys, known the Key-Lifetime. EAP methods MAY also > support the import and export of Channel Bindings. New EAP method > specifications MUST define the Peer-ID, Server-ID and=20 > Method-ID. The > combination of the Peer-ID and Server-ID uniquely specifies the > endpoints of the EAP method exchange." >=20 > It seems that additional data associated with the identity should be > exported to satisfy section 1.3. Suggestion is to add this and call > them identity attributes. >=20 > In this paragraph it states that the "Peer-ID and Server-ID uniquely > specifies the=A0=A0endpoints of the EAP method exchange", however=20 > further down=20 > it states > that these quantities may be null. This is contradictory. Suggested > modification to above text: >=20 > "The combination of the Peer-ID and Server-ID may uniquely specify the > endpoints of the EAP method exchange if the method supports=20 > unique IDs." >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap >=20 > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap >=20 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 25 03:05:28 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1fei-0006I0-AW for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:05:28 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA19016 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3754300E9 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:05:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3450C43005A for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:05:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B389398022 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20F1398076 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Jan 2006 00:05:05 -0800 Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k0P854WF006458; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:05:04 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 311: EAP and Authorization Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:11:32 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE690683CAA0@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 311: EAP and Authorization Thread-Index: AcYUggaiVzmC9lhIRJGe/sy+2u1+ZQFx0xGwADGdsMABnW3Y8A== From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Bernard Aboba" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:Bernard_Aboba@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:45 PM > To: Salowey, Joe; eap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 311: EAP and=20 > Authorization >=20 > > To: > >=20 > > "The EAP server also stores the peer's identity as well as=20 > > other information > > associated with it. This information may be used to determine=20 > > whether access > > to some service should be granted. The peer > > stores information necessary to choose which secret to use for which > > service. > >=20 > > If authentication is based on proof of possession of the private key > > corresponding to the public key contained within a certificate, the > > parties store the EAP method to be used and the trust=20 > anchors used to > > validate the certificates. The EAP server also stores the peer's > > identity=20 >=20 > [Joe] why is it necessary that the EAP server store the=20 > peer's identity > in this case?=20 >=20 > [BA] I guess to associate it with the authorizations. The=20 > peer identity is > included in the certificate altSubjectName, so it isn't=20 > needed for other > reasons. Is there a way to make that more clear? >=20 [Joe] I don't think the EAP server needs to store the identity. It may store attributes associated with identity, however this could also be maintained outside the EAP Server or in the certificate itself. I think we should be clear that in general the EAP server does not perform authorization itself, but it may have access to authorization/naming information that can be exported to and used by the lower layer or AAA layer for authorization.=20 > > and the peer stores information > > necessary to choose which certificate to use for which service." > >=20 > >=20 > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >=20 > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From oouvzhyrgca@der.com Wed Jan 25 04:04:01 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1gZN-0006vf-1b for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:04:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA22073 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from alyon-151-1-50-101.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr ([83.197.234.101] helo=PC1) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F1gj2-000849-1D for eap-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:14:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c6218e$42edc830$65eac553@PC2> From: "Barrera Connie" To: eap-archive@ietf.org Subject: Re[8]:This is Moving .93 in 3 days Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:03:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C62196.A4B23030" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 7e439b86d3292ef5adf93b694a43a576 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C62196.A4B23030 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01C62196.A4B23030" ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C62196.A4B23030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Parrish=20 Corine ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C62196.A4B23030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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02:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077D5398069 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB4D398015 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [85.101.17.88] (helo=sysadmin13c23c) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1F1i6k2CKd-0000aZ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:42:40 -0500 From: "Alper Yegin" To: "'Bernard Aboba'" , Subject: RE: [eap] NETSEL Issue: Terminology issues Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:42:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-index: AcYhSjP6dcke+B7gSLqrUnqu1+Ts2AAUVMlw Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1F1i6k2CKd-0000aZ@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:abf7a4bb310ea4dfc9b6841113e2970f X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > This document needs a terminology section. I agree. > b. The term has also been used to describe the problem of choosing between > "points > of attachment". For example, there are three APs out there, which one > should my > 802.11 interface choose? In this context, the term "network" may actually > refer > to a desire to avoid having to change IP addresses by retaining attachment > to the same IP network or prefix. Perhaps the term "handoff > candidate selection" might better describe this problem? In fact even this type of selection can be broken down into 2 or 3. Selecting L1/L2 network, selecting L3 network, and even selecting a (Mobile IP) home network. Alper _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 25 06:07:20 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1iUi-0004CJ-4b for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:07:20 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA01305 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B654300D2 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:07:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3AE43005A for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C021398069 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F21E398022 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0D1898BC; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:06:56 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10EF898B9; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:06:55 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43D75BEB.40503@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:07:23 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alper Yegin , "'Bernard Aboba'" Subject: Re: [eap] NETSEL Issue: Terminology issues References: <0MKoyl-1F1i6k2CKd-0000aZ@mrelay.perfora.net> In-Reply-To: <0MKoyl-1F1i6k2CKd-0000aZ@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alper Yegin wrote: >>b. The term has also been used to describe the problem of choosing between >>"points >>of attachment". For example, there are three APs out there, which one >>should my >>802.11 interface choose? In this context, the term "network" may actually >>refer >>to a desire to avoid having to change IP addresses by retaining attachment >>to the same IP network or prefix. Perhaps the term "handoff >>candidate selection" might better describe this problem? >> >> > >In fact even this type of selection can be broken down into 2 or 3. >Selecting L1/L2 network, selecting L3 network, and even selecting a (Mobile >IP) home network. > > Yes. Just looking at the layering may not reveal all details; even at L2 we have both the selection of a particular access device, the selection of which access operator's network to use to begin with, and the selection of various things for the access control part. At L3 we may or may not have something to select, depending on scenario and whether some of the lower-level selections already determine what we will get at L2. I like the handoff candidate selection term. 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Several instances throughout the document, different domain names. > [eronendimacs] Reference name looks different from the others. Consider using, e.g., [Eronen04]. > Mishra, A., "Improving the latnecy of the Probe Phase Typo > tells the network which mediting network it has decided to choose) Typo (meditating network? :-) > Identity. The Alternative NAI is quaranteed to be an unknown NAI Typo > [RFC2486] Aboba, B. and M. Beadles, "The Network Access Identifier", > RFC 2486, January 1999. Refer to RFC 4282 instead. > [I-D.ietf-radext-rfc2486bis] > Aboba, B., "The Network Access Identifier", > draft-ietf-radext-rfc2486bis-01 (work in progress), > October 2004. See above. > [I-D.adrangi-eap-network-discovery] > Adrangi, F., "Mediating Network Discovery in the > Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP)", > draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-14 (work in progress), > August 2005. 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Expires April 26, 2006 [Page 3] The new editors need to be put here, too. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 25 08:58:39 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1lAV-0002w8-8Z for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:58:39 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA14036 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C518F430105 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F0143014A for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:58:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC92398069 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:58:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31C2398073 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4F589900 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:58:03 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4159898C1 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:58:02 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43D78406.3080604@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:58:30 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Subject: [eap] issue: jari's netsel-03 review, introduction improvements X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > o There is more than one available network attachment point, and the > different points may have different characteristics. Add ", or even be from different providers". > o The user has multiple sets of credentials. For instance, the user > could have one set of credentials from a public service provider > and another set from his company. Ok. > o There is more than one way to provide roaming between the access > and home network, and service parameters or pricing differs > between them. For instance, the access network could have both a > direct relationship with the home network and an indirect > relationship through a roaming consortium. > > > o The roaming relationships between access and home networks are so > complicated that current AAA protocols can not route the requests > to the home network unaided, just based on the domain in the given > Network Access Identifier (NAI) [RFC2486] [I-D.ietf-radext- > rfc2486bis]. > > > o Payload packets get routed or tunneled differently, based on which > particular roaming relationship variation is used. This may have > an impact on the available services or their pricing. Suggest combining these under a roaming effect item. > o Virtual Operators share the same infrastructure, such as wireless > access points. Put this after the first bullet, or maybe as a part of the first bullet. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 25 08:59:00 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1lAq-00032O-HY for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:59:00 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA14069 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51196430128 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60758430133 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:58:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8F880C130 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:58:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE9A80C11A for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718E289900 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:58:18 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057D8898C1 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:58:18 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43D78415.3010306@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:58:45 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Subject: [eap] issue: jari's netsel-03 review, section 2 improvements X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The Access Network Discovery problem has been extensively studied, > see for instance the results of the IETF Seamoby WG, IEEE > specifications on 802.11 wireless LAN beaconing and probing process, > studies (such as [Fixingapsel]) on the effectiveness of these > mechanisms, and so on. Maybe you could start with a reference to 802.11 as well as some other (e.g. GSM cellular), then continue with the Seamoby things; the main body of the work has been imho in the link layers. > 2.1 Access Network Discovery This section is very 802.11 focused. It might make sense to mention other link layers, too. For instance, cellular link layers typically employ very network-centric mechanisms for directing clients to the most suitable attachment point. > While there > is Standards Track RFC specifying the interpretation of the field > beyond the NUL character, [I-D.adrangi-eap-network-discovery] is > widely expected to be used. While there is NO Standards Track RFC? Also, don't say anything about what usage expectations there are. Just state that the spec exists. > For instance, the Redirect feature could be used to provide > a centralized routing function for AAA, without having to know all > home network names in all access networks. There should be some truth-in-advertising disclaimer here. We don't know how to set the security up for that in practice, and even if we did, it might not match business practices. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 25 08:59:32 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1lBL-00038w-GB for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:59:32 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA14143 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:57:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13AF6430116 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052D5430109 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:58:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D32398070 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:58:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1989D39803A for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B09589900 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:58:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D905898C1 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:58:25 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43D7841D.8040409@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:58:53 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Subject: [eap] issue: jari's netsel-03 review, scope X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The document may attempt to state too much. Suggest narrowing the scope a little bit, not claiming this document has a recommendation on what to do in this area -- just the definition of problem, as well as some analysis of the limitations of certain types of solutions. Specifically, in the abstract: > The document presents also some > existing mechanisms which help solve at least parts of the problem, > and gives some suggestions on how to proceed for the rest. Maybe rewrite this as "The document also provides a discussion of the limitations of certain classes of solutions, including some that have been previously defined." > Section 4 discusses existing mechanisms which help solve at least > parts of the problem. Section 5 gives some suggestions on how to > proceed for the rest. Same here. > 2.4 Payload Routing While interesting, I wonder if we should spend energy looking at this sub-problem. 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From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 25 14:44:51 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1qZW-00060u-UA for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:44:51 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA17824 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17CA4300E2 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:44:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D00F430054 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:44:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F7380C10C for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:44:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418FD80C0EC for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:44:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D0389901 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:44:30 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B9E89900 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:44:30 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43D7D53A.8020600@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:44:58 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Subject: [eap] issue: jari's netsel-03 review, section 3 improvements X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe Section 3 would be better cast as "issues" than "constraints". The topics should be grouped under subsection items and discussed in more depth. For instance, there are a few items that relate to AAA protocol operations (different protocols, both client and server initiated transactions, etc). Another topic is efficiency constraints, including avoiding unnecessary polling with multiple networks, packet size issues etc. A third topic could be backwards compatibility and deployment considerations. It would also be useful if specific examples could be presented, for instance, about the use of RFC 4284 mechanisms taken to extremes and what implications that would have. Material from current Sections 4 and 5 could in part be moved here. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 25 14:45:36 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1qaG-00068P-Ij for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:45:36 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA17877 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D80E430106 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:45:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D528A4300B2 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8977398035 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC436398072 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:44:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B2C89901 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:44:44 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDCD89900 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:44:43 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43D7D546.4090507@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:45:10 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Subject: [eap] issue: jari's netsel-03 review, section 4 improvements X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps this section could be moved before 3, and shortened by moving some of the discussion of the limitations of the existing mechanisms to the issues Section (currently Section 3, Design Constraints). > A number of (small) improvements to payload routing control are > currently in progress in the IETF RADEXT WG. These include better > filtering and redirection support [I-D.ietf-radext-ieee802]. RADEXT Is it really still there? I think there was a discussion on the filtering parts to be removed... check this. > WG is also working on an new revision of the NAI specification > [I-D.ietf-radext-rfc2486bis]. This revision clarifies the use of the > '!' syntax in a NAI to route requests via specified mediating > networks. Old stuff. > 4.3 3GPP This only deals with the I-WLAN functionality of 3GPP networks. It would be interesting to see a paragraph or two about the cellular network selection mechanisms, at least a statement about the principles on which it operates. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 25 14:45:56 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1qaa-00069p-Jj for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:45:56 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA17896 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E1F430113 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D014300F7 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:44:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D8639802E for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:44:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFEB398035 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0653E89901 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:44:52 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA25389900 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:44:51 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43D7D54E.1020702@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:45:18 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Subject: [eap] issue: jari's netsel-03 review, section 5 improvements X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would significantly shorten this Section and focus mainly on concluding some of the main findings of the problem definition and the dicussion on issues. Some of the discussion should be moved to the issue section. An example of something to keep: > o Nevertheless, many of the problems discussed in this draft are > very hard when one considers them in an environment that requires > a potentially large number of networks, fast handoffs, and > automatic decisions. An example of something to move to the issue section: o "Phone-book" based approaches such as RFC 3017 appear attractive due to their ability to provide sufficient information for automatic selection decisions. However, there is no experience on applying such approaches to wireless access. The number of WLAN access points is significantly higher than the number of dial-in POPs; the distributed nature of the access network has created a more complicated business and roaming structure, and the expected rate of change in the information is high. As noted in [pri04] and [I-D.groeting-eap-netselection-results], a large fraction of current WLAN access points operate on the default SSID, which may make the use of the phone book approach hard. An example of something to remove: > ... the IETF should in any case initiate work that > enables support for channel bindings in methods. Preferably, popular > methods should be updated, ensuring compatibility with existing > deployments. The representation of link layer parameters within EAP > should utilize a common framework, to make it easier to define new > link layers and keep the selection of EAP methods independent of the > link layer. A number of proposals exist in this space, but none of > them have yet been adopted by the EAP WG as work items. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 25 14:50:43 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1qfD-0007kA-9f for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:50:43 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA18346 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5CB4300AE for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:50:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8E843005F for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:50:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392E080C10C for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:50:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1840B80C0EC for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C9389901; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:50:22 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E4589900; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:50:22 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43D7D69A.1000601@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:50:50 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com, jouni.korhonen@teliasonera.com, "Bari, Farooq" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Subject: [eap] jari's netsel-03 review, summary X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This concludes my review. Overall, I think the document has a lot of good material, but needs a slightly tighter scope. For instance, I belive the discussion on payload routing is something that we could probably leave to others. Otherwise, the problem definition as such is in good shape. Where the document needs most work is in the description of the "issues" or "limitations" relating to various approaches to network selection. Material from Sections 3-5 should be gathered in one place for an in-depth discussion of the issues, and then the "existing work" and "conclusions" sections can be shorter. The document should also stop short of recommending specific IETF (or any other) activities, and focus on understanding the implications of the problems and some basic solution approaches. RFC 4284 should be used as an example when discussing some of the limitations. --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 25 15:09:09 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1qx3-0007iS-Li for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:09:09 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA19653 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9804300E2 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF634300A4 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0DB80C102 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from cingular.com (extmail04.cingular.com [170.35.209.245]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA51780C13C for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:08:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ([135.214.26.238]) by extmail04.cingular.com with ESMTP with TLS id KP-VXK07.85383793; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:05:13 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [eap] NETSEL Issue: Terminology issues Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:04:56 -0800 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] NETSEL Issue: Terminology issues Thread-Index: AcYhSkKn2ypUErHCSZiUn7dj1phVXwAnyp4w To: "Bernard Aboba" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2006 20:04:56.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CE8BC80:01C621EA] From: "Bari, Farooq" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.375 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, HTML_MESSAGE X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1514310253==" Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1514310253== content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C621EA.9CB98B9E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C621EA.9CB98B9E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a start, my understanding of how 3GPP has been using similar terms is as follows =20 1. Network Selection: selection between the operators/ISPs 2. Access Technology Selection: selection between access technologies like 802.11, UMTS etc 3. Domain Selection: selection between e.g. circuit switched voice and SIP based IMS for voice delivery =20 We can of course choose to define them differently. =20 Farooq Bari Cingular Wireless Core Network Standards =20 farooq.bari@cingular.com +1 425 580 5526 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:56 PM > To: eap@frascone.com > Subject: [eap] NETSEL Issue: Terminology issues >=20 > Issue: Terminology issues > Submitter name: Bernard aboba > Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com > Date Submitted: January 24, 2006 > Reference: > Document: NETSEL-03 > Comment type: E > Priority: S > Section: Various > Rationale/Explanation of issue: >=20 > This document needs a terminology section. >=20 > In particular, the term "network selection" is not defined, and appears to > be used to refer to a number of fundamentally different problems. >=20 > In looking at usage in other standards bodies (such as IEEE 802.11), the > term has been used in a number of contexts, and at times it is hard to tell > what context the document is discussing. For example: >=20 > a. The term "Network Selection" has sometimes been used to describe the > problem of > choosing between interfaces. For example, one interface may be CDMA, and > another > may be 802.11; which interface should be used for outgoing traffic? I > would > propose that we call this "interface selection". >=20 > b. The term has also been used to describe the problem of choosing between > "points > of attachment". For example, there are three APs out there, which one > should my > 802.11 interface choose? In this context, the term "network" may actually > refer > to a desire to avoid having to change IP addresses by retaining attachment > to the same IP network or prefix. Perhaps the term "handoff > candidate selection" might better describe this problem? >=20 > c. Sometimes the term appears to be used as a synonym for > "identity selection". Note that RFC 4284 is entitled "Identity Selection > Hints > for EAP"; the document does not use the term "network selection" except > in reference to external work, such as this problem statement document. >=20 > Given the confusion caused by conflicting usage of the term "network > selection" I would recommend that the authors consider adding a terminology > section in which this and other terms can be defined. >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap >=20 > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap ------_=_NextPart_001_01C621EA.9CB98B9E Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    As a start, my understanding of how 3GPP has = been using similar terms is as follows

     

    1.       = Network Selection: selection between the operators/ISPs

    2.       = Access Technology Selection: selection between access technologies like 802.11, = UMTS etc

    3.       = Domain Selection: selection between e.g. circuit switched voice and SIP based = IMS for voice delivery

     

    We can of course choose to define them = differently.

     

    Farooq Bari

    Cingular = Wireless

    Core Network = Standards

     

    farooq.bari@cingular.com

    +1 425 580 5526

     

    > -----Original = Message-----

    > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]

    > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, = 2006 4:56 PM

    > To: eap@frascone.com

    > Subject: [eap] NETSEL = Issue: Terminology issues

    >

    > Issue: Terminology = issues

    > Submitter name: Bernard = aboba

    > Submitter email address: = aboba@internaut.com

    > Date Submitted: January 24, = 2006

    > Reference:

    > Document: NETSEL-03

    > Comment type: E

    > Priority: S

    > Section: Various

    > Rationale/Explanation of = issue:

    >

    > This document needs a terminology = section.

    >

    > In particular, the term "network selection" is not defined, and appears to

    > be  used to refer to a number of fundamentally different problems.

    >

    > In looking at usage in other standards = bodies (such as IEEE 802.11), the

    > term has been used in a number of = contexts, and at times it is hard to tell

    > what context the document is = discussing.  For example:

    >

    > a. The term "Network = Selection" has sometimes been used to describe the

    > problem of

    > choosing between interfaces.  For = example, one interface may be CDMA, and

    > another

    > may be 802.11;  which interface = should be used for outgoing traffic?  I

    > would

    > propose that we call this = "interface selection".

    >

    > b. The term has also been used to = describe the problem of choosing between

    > "points

    > of attachment".  For example, = there are three APs out there, which one

    > should my

    > 802.11 interface choose?  In this = context, the term "network" may actually

    > refer

    > to a desire to avoid having to change IP addresses by retaining attachment

    > to the same IP network or prefix.  = Perhaps the term "handoff

    > candidate selection" might better = describe this problem?

    >

    > c. Sometimes the term appears to be used = as a synonym for

    > "identity = selection".   Note that RFC 4284 is entitled "Identity Selection

    > Hints

    > for EAP"; the document does not use = the term "network selection"  except

    > in reference to external work, such as = this problem statement document.

    >

    > Given the confusion caused by = conflicting usage of the term "network

    > selection" I would recommend that = the authors consider adding a terminology

    > section in which this and other terms = can be defined.

    >

    >

    > = _________________________________________________________________<= /font>

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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C621EA.9CB98B9E-- --===============1514310253== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap --===============1514310253==-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 25 16:03:59 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1ro7-0002Hl-C6 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:03:59 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA23268 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:02:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC83843011E for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:03:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F84430054 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170E8398040 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f4.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.14]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D2539801A for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:03:32 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:03:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [131.107.0.87] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43D75BEB.40503@piuha.net> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: jari.arkko@piuha.net, alper.yegin@yegin.org Subject: Re: [eap] NETSEL Issue: Terminology issues Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:03:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2006 21:03:32.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCBF9E30:01C621F2] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com >Yes. Just looking at the layering may not reveal all details; >even at L2 we have both the selection of a particular access >device, the selection of which access operator's network to >use to begin with, and the selection of various things for >the access control part. At L3 we may or may not have something >to select, depending on scenario and whether some of the >lower-level selections already determine what we will >get at L2. > >I like the handoff candidate selection term. But this may >not be the only thing that L2 does. I agree that we need to describe the different aspects of this problem in more detail. With respect to L3 "selection" I think we may also need more material. 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Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:01:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm70.ds.mot.com (de01exm70.am.mot.com [10.176.8.26]) by az33exr03.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k0PM4Plj024482 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:04:26 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:51:21 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache Thread-Index: AcYWMQBcwWns5kHcQYKuU62k56likwAnOXJAAN8KyIAAhVydwAAuQ53gATfTuSA= From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: "Salowey, Joe" , "Bernard Aboba" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Joe,=20 -----Original Message----- From: Salowey, Joe [mailto:jsalowey@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:02 AM To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; Bernard Aboba; eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] Proposed Resolution to Issue 323: AAA Key Cache >=20 > [Joe] Why do you want to use the same key in both places? >=20 > Madjid>>Think the Proxy Mobile IP example. We need a shared > key between > the proxy mobile node, PMN (an entity within the network, not the=20 > peer) and home agent, HA. So that the PMN can send authenticated=20 > messages to the HA and vice versa. >=20 [Joe] Ok, it seems this key would be different than the mobile nodes key and that the PMNs don't all ned to share the same key.=20 Madjid2>>In the PMIP example, the MN does not need to have access to the PMIP-key. It is to be shared between the PMN and HA. And yes, the way we envisioning it, only one PMN is to hold the key (you may want to call that anchoring). Please see,=20 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nakhjiri-pmip-key-01.txt For more info. > [Joe] If I understand the current text correctly it is stating that an > entity should not simultaneously cache and transport a key. =20 > In general > this is good practice because it prevents reuse of a key, if you are > going to give someone else a key for a specific purpose you should not > hold onto it for another use. While I don't agree with a MUST NOT > cache transported keys, I would question why you would want=20 > to do this. > It seems that the current text allows one to cache a key and=20 > export keys > derived from it. Perhaps the text should explicitly say so.=20 >=20 > Madjid>> Well this is an example why you do need to hold on to it (not > for another use however). I think these strict requirements should be > put to test for each specific usage scenario. >=20 [Joe] yes, you need to hold onto the key, but instead of transporting the "cached" key you transport keys derived from the cached key. Does this meet the requirements of your usage scenario? =20 Madjid>>not without unnecessary additional steps. You still need to send the same key to two different places, regardless of how many levels of hierarchy you generate, unless you say,=20 I have to generate a parent-key (Kp) and child-key (Kc) and use Kc for my application (say PMIP). To comply with deleting the transported key, you will derive Kc from Kp and send the Kc over to one agent, you must delete Kc now, then you send Kp to another agent and make sure the second agent knows _EXACTLY_ how to generate Kc from Kp and at the end, agent1 and agent 2 can share Kc. All this seems to be very unnecessary, just because we require transported key to be deleted. Madjid _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 25 16:59:50 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1sgA-0007p0-ON for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:59:50 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA26912 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E5743010E for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:59:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96C8430054 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B9E80C10C for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate8.mot.com (motgate8.mot.com [129.188.136.8]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C00480C102 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:59:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from il06exr02.mot.com (il06exr02.mot.com [129.188.137.132]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motgate7) with ESMTP id k0PMDucY029160 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:13:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm70.ds.mot.com (de01exm70.am.mot.com [10.176.8.26]) by il06exr02.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k0PMBFKc020436 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:11:15 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:59:29 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: PMIP keying draft ready: Use of EAP keying for PMIP Thread-Index: AcYWMQBcwWns5kHcQYKuU62k56likwAnOXJAAN8KyIAAhVydwAAuQ53gATgxBEA= From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 Subject: [eap] PMIP keying draft ready: Use of EAP keying for PMIP X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, As promised in the last IETF, we are providing an example of EAP keying framework could be used to solve the key bootstrapping problem for proxy Mobile IP. This intends to show an example of how keys from EAP AMSK may be generated from an EAP method and how AMSK can be used to bootstrap keys between a proxy Mobile node and a Mobile IP home agent. It also shows an example of why we think caching a key even after transport may be needed. Thanks, Madjid Nakhjiri http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nakhjiri-pmip-key-01.txt Abstract This document intends to provide a first pass example of how the EAP=20 keying framework may be used for bootstrapping keys between two=20 agents performing a network service such as Proxy Mobile IP function. Care is taken so that the solution is aligned as closely as possible=20 to the guidelines provided by the EAP Keying framework [EAPKEY].=20 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Jan 25 17:49:41 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1tSP-0006Cs-GR for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:49:41 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA00903 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:48:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AF8430114 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:49:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29D9430054 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A9E80C0EC for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C7F80C102 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0PMn9ub028456; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:49:09 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id k0PMnAgn007296; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:49:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id HAA07261 ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:49:09 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id k0PMn8XX014321; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:49:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpoa.po.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id k0PMn8TE007053; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:49:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead ([172.30.24.104]) by mail.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 (built Apr 28 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0ITO00KLU7DLQ860@mail.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:49:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F1tRY-0002Y5-37; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:48:48 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:48:48 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] Re: Issue 325: Channel Bindings In-reply-to: To: Bernard Aboba Message-id: <20060125224847.GL5048@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline References: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com The new channel binding draft I mentioned was submitted. Until it appears in the IETF I-D repository, a copy is available at: http://www.opendiameter.org/draft-ohba-eap-channel-binding-00.txt Yoshihiro Ohba On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 09:25:51PM -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote: > It sounds like we have agreed to further develop the text on channel > bindings. Can someone supply text? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Issue 325: Channel Bindings > Submitter name: Joe Salowey > Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com > Date Submitted: December 1, 2005 > Reference: > Document: Keying-08 > Comment type: T > Priority: 1 > Section: 1.3, 1.4 > Rationale/Explanation of issue: > Section 1.3 > > There are two styles of channel bindings that may be supported by EAP > methods. The text in this section describes exportable channel bindings. > There is also the approach where the bindings are non exportable. In > this case the method does a binary comparison of the channel bindings or > hash of the channel bindings and fails if the result does not match. I > can see the possibility of a method supporting both styles. Should we > include both? > > Section 1.4 > > Exportable channel binding are references in this section, > non-exportable ones are not. 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The market interest in DKDY continues to grow as information about the theme park and its upcoming events, pushing the stock to new hights daily. About the park 1974 brought the discovery of the world famous Terricaota Warriors and Horses and the uncovering of the Qin Dynasty's greatest achievements. This site has been China's most visited landmark and draws nearly $350,000,000.00 anually. For thousands of years the Qin Dynasty boasted the legend of the E Pang Palace and was believed simply to be a myth. Recent discoveries have unearthed the lobby to the legendary Palace and has been developed into a theme park designed to take tourists back in time to this once great dynasty. After having visited the relics and sites of the "Natural History Museum", The Museum of Terra Cotta Warriors and Horses; praised as "the eighth major miracle of the world; the Mausoleum of Emperor Qin Shi Huang, the City Wall of the Ming Dynasty, the 3000 year old Banpo Village Remains, and the Forest of Stone Steles, tourists will now be taken back in time to a nightly banquet and dance show held in the palace lobby of the legandary E-Pang Palace capable of holding 10,000 visiters which is in the middle of the park. These nightly banquets are expected to double the yearly visitors to the park and increase revenues by $3.4 million annually. There is no wonder this stock has been taking off, as they draw closer to the new evening programs to go in place in early April. After todays trading we expect to see the stock continue a buy frezy with a substantial increase in price as we close the trading week tomorrow. 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(p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6FB89908; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:52:08 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43DF2553.3070301@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:52:35 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jouni.korhonen@teliasonera.com Subject: Re: [eap] issue: jari's netsel-03 review, section 4 improvements References: <5D25AEFB114D034FBDC8B156FCA78E038A48BD@SEHAN021MB.tcad.telia.se> In-Reply-To: <5D25AEFB114D034FBDC8B156FCA78E038A48BD@SEHAN021MB.tcad.telia.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jouni.korhonen@teliasonera.com wrote: >Would it be enough to discuss about cellular side PLMN >selection as it is pretty much what the I-WLAN network >selection tries to copy. > > I think so. Keep it high level, however. And I was under the impression that the I-WLAN and cellular network selections have subtle differences, and this is in fact the cause of some of the problems. For instance, in cellular roaming I thought we are dealing at the level of "cellular access operator" - "cellular home operator" whereas in I-WLAN we have added a layer and made it "WLAN access operator" - "local cellular operator" - "cellular home operator". --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 31 04:40:10 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3rza-0003vg-66 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:40:10 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA29402 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432384300F3 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964F2430058 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:39:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EEAF39805D for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:39:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f34.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.44]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5FC39805A for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:39:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:39:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.18.180.167] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43DF2553.3070301@piuha.net> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: jari.arkko@piuha.net, jouni.korhonen@teliasonera.com Subject: Re: [eap] issue: jari's netsel-03 review, section 4 improvements Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:39:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2006 09:39:05.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D125790:01C6264A] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com >Would it be enough to discuss about cellular side PLMN selection as it is >pretty much what the I-WLAN network selection tries to copy. I would like to see a general discussion of this, since use of terms like "network selection" can leave the reader vague about what is intended. >I think so. Keep it high level, however. And I >was under the impression that the I-WLAN and >cellular network selections have subtle differences, >and this is in fact the cause of some of the >problems. For instance, in cellular roaming >I thought we are dealing at the level of "cellular >access operator" - "cellular home operator" whereas >in I-WLAN we have added a layer and made it "WLAN >access operator" - "local cellular operator" - "cellular >home operator". I think that is correct -- but any of these terms is more exact than the term "network". For example, multiple operators may authorize access to the same prefix via use of VLAN attributes, for example. In that situation, the use of the term "network selection" can become particularly confusing, since it may not be clear whether the thing being selected is the operator, the authorized VLAN, or the SSID (which some IEEE 802.11 folks also like to call a "network"). _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 31 04:46:03 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3s5J-0006aL-IB for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:46:03 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA29831 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110AC4300EC for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:45:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC9A430058 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CCB80C149 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f5.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.15]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBB480C12D for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:45:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:45:36 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:45:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.18.180.167] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43DE858C.8060108@dif.um.es> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: rafa@dif.um.es Subject: Re: [eap] Strawman -10 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:45:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2006 09:45:36.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[163347E0:01C6264B] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com >In figure 3, EMSK seems now exported to AAA layer or Lower layer. 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    = ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C62648.CB6962A0-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 31 10:39:28 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3xbM-0000Ym-4m for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:39:28 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA27534 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:37:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDD94300F3 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50764430058 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:38:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51998398062 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:38:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.um.es (mail.um.es [155.54.212.109]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649F6398049 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:38:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA181FAA8F; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:38:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.um.es ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (xenon1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27084-01-11; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:38:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from [207.3.232.162] (dibulibu.um.es [155.54.1.250]) by mail.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFAF1FAAB9; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:38:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43DF84CA.1050500@dif.um.es> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:39:54 -0500 From: Rafa Marin Lopez Organization: University of Murcia User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050727) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] Strawman -10 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at telemat.um.es X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bernard Aboba wrote: >> In figure 3, EMSK seems now exported to AAA layer or Lower layer. Is >> that correct? > > > The text forbidding the export was removed in Issue 320 with the > following proposed change, so it would appear to me that the export is > now allowed. I see. But I was wondering for example in the case of standalone authenticator : will only MSK be available to lower layer as usual or both (MSK,EMSK) now? Thanks. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Change > > "The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to the lower layer, nor is it permitted > to pass any quantity to the lower layer from which the EMSK could be > computed without breaking some cryptographic assumption, such as > inverting a one-way function." > > To > > "The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to an entity outside the EAP server or > peer, nor is it permitted to pass any quantity to an entity outside > the EAP > server or peer from which the EMSK could be computed without breaking > some cryptographic assumption, such as inverting a one-way function." > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ Rafael Marin Lopez Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia 30071 Murcia - Spain Telf: +34968367645 e-mail: rafa@dif.um.es ------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 31 11:55:43 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3yn9-0004bK-5L for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:55:43 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA06360 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C954300AE for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2114843005F for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B6580C142 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F36080C141 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:55:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 31 Jan 2006 08:55:10 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,240,1136188800"; d="scan'208"; a="398760541:sNHT32909248" Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k0VGtAWF021050; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:55:10 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Strawman -10 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:01:41 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69068C1FF0@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] Strawman -10 Thread-Index: AcYmfWJFtRC7Qj8ORpGZGtMqrUbmjAACTdIQ From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Rafa Marin Lopez" , "Bernard Aboba" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rafa Marin Lopez [mailto:rafa@dif.um.es]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:40 AM > To: Bernard Aboba > Cc: eap@frascone.com > Subject: Re: [eap] Strawman -10 >=20 > Bernard Aboba wrote: >=20 > >> In figure 3, EMSK seems now exported to AAA layer or Lower=20 > layer. Is=20 > >> that correct? > > > > > > The text forbidding the export was removed in Issue 320 with the=20 > > following proposed change, so it would appear to me that=20 > the export is=20 > > now allowed. >=20 > I see. But I was wondering for example in the case of standalone=20 > authenticator : will only MSK be available to lower layer as usual or=20 > both (MSK,EMSK) now? >=20 [Joe] In order to preserve mode independence the EMSK must not be directly consumed by the lower layer. The lower layer must not require direct access to the EMSK to function. However, the lower layer may rely upon keys derived from the EMSK. =20 > Thanks. >=20 > > > >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------=20 > > > > Change > > > > "The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to the lower layer, nor is=20 > it permitted > > to pass any quantity to the lower layer from which the EMSK could be > > computed without breaking some cryptographic assumption, such as > > inverting a one-way function." > > > > To > > > > "The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to an entity outside the EAP=20 > server or > > peer, nor is it permitted to pass any quantity to an=20 > entity outside=20 > > the EAP > > server or peer from which the EMSK could be computed=20 > without breaking=20 > > some cryptographic assumption, such as inverting a one-way=20 > function." > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 > --=20 > ------------------------------------------------------ > Rafael Marin Lopez > Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia > 30071 Murcia - Spain > Telf: +34968367645 e-mail: rafa@dif.um.es > ------------------------------------------------------ >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap >=20 > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap >=20 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 31 12:02:14 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3ytS-0006MF-6m for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:02:14 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA06707 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8422E4300AF for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:02:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861B7430073 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7519880C14D for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f9.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24C080C144 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:01:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:01:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:01:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.18.180.167] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43DF84CA.1050500@dif.um.es> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: rafa@dif.um.es Subject: Re: [eap] Strawman -10 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:01:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2006 17:01:45.0690 (UTC) FILETIME=[0457ABA0:01C62688] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com >>The text forbidding the export was removed in Issue 320 with the following >>proposed change, so it would appear to me that the export is now allowed. > >I see. But I was wondering for example in the case of standalone >authenticator : will only MSK be available to lower layer as usual or both >(MSK,EMSK) now? Note that the language relating to transport of the EMSK has not been touched so that restriction remains. In the passthrough case, the authenticator lower layer will not receive the EMSK, whereas it will receive it in the standalone case. Since the peer does not know which case is being run, this implies that the lower layer cannot derive the TSKs directly from the EMSK, but only from a quantity that is always available within the authenticator lower layer. As long as the keys that the lower layer depends on are always available on the authenticator, this doesn't violate mode independence from the peer's point of view. I'm not sure it necessarily violates it on the authenticator either, as long as the EMSK is destroyed after computation of the AMSK. If that is done, the end cryptographic state on the authenticator is the same in either the pass-through or standalone case. One advantage of this approach is that it keeps implementation of cryptography out of the EAP layer. Allowing cryptographic operations in the EAP layer is a problem because EAP does not support cryptographic negotiation, so that negotiation of cryptographic algorithms such as PRFs would require changes to existing EAP methods. By doing those calculations in the lower layer, instead, the Secure Association Protocol can negotiate the cryptographic algorithms and this problem is avoided. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From IngridHyde@theeweddingshop.com Tue Jan 31 12:09:59 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3z0d-0007kF-4X for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:09:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA07360 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:07:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F3zBI-0003UO-Iv for eap-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:20:45 -0500 Received: from cpe-66-67-196-3.rochester.res.rr.com ([66.67.196.3]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1F3z08-0001Wc-UY for eap-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:09:09 -0500 Received: from nRT@localhost by 11vE.int (8.11.6/8.11.6); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:49:39 +0600 Message-ID: From: "Jennifer Linn Anastassakis" Reply-To: "Jennifer Linn Anastassakis" To: paa14143@ietf.org Subject: MS Office XP Pro $49.95 XP Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:43:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2730.2 X-Sender: SamanthaYoung@swahilicustoms.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--oZA22KEVODxG5C1K" X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Scan-Signature: a4cdc653ecdd96665f2aa1c1af034c9e Ms3x9ucNWujIaSaruQ ----oZA22KEVODxG5C1K Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable y
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C62678.2E2167B0-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 31 15:24:18 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F4230-0005eS-A8 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:24:18 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA25017 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:22:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA8F4300DF for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:23:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A631430071 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD3E80C146 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6572B80C13C for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 31 Jan 2006 12:23:31 -0800 Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k0VKNUKT025385; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:23:31 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Strawman -10 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:30:02 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69068C20FF@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] Strawman -10 Thread-Index: AcYmopx5GfkfcucySp+774ceYSuD6QAAKo3w From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Bernard Aboba" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:05 PM > To: Salowey, Joe > Cc: eap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [eap] Strawman -10 >=20 > >[Joe] In order to preserve mode independence the EMSK must not be > >directly consumed by the lower layer. The lower layer must=20 > not require > >direct access to the EMSK to function. However, the lower layer may > >rely upon keys derived from the EMSK. >=20 > I'm confused. You submitted a change to remove the material from the=20 > document that relates to lower layer usage of the EMSK. Your=20 > change was=20 > accepted, so the document no longer restricts usage of the=20 > EMSK by the lower=20 > layer. >=20 [Joe] I must not have been clear. That was not my intent, which change request was this? The EMSK must not be directly used by the lower layer. If it is then you might as well just eliminate it since it serves the same purpose as the MSK. =20 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 31 16:01:57 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F42dR-0007tT-2M for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:01:57 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA27291 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F25C430071 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20A9430058 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB9780C11D for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3979880C146 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:00:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBFE8990C; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:00:54 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81918990B; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:00:53 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43DFD01F.5040302@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:01:19 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Salowey, Joe" Subject: Re: [eap] Strawman -10 References: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69068C20FF@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69068C20FF@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Salowey, Joe wrote > The EMSK must not be directly used by the lower >layer. If it is then you might as well just eliminate it since it >serves the same purpose as the MSK. > > Agreed. And no, at least I don't want to eliminate the EMSK. --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 31 16:37:45 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F43C5-0002rd-LZ for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:37:45 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA02916 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4DE430058 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58249430058 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:37:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7C180C143 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:37:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f22.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.32]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EE280C146 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:37:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:37:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:37:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.18.180.151] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69068C20FF@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: jsalowey@cisco.com Subject: RE: [eap] Strawman -10 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:37:06 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2006 21:37:06.0818 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BB3BE20:01C626AE] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com >[Joe] I must not have been clear. That was not my intent, which change >request was this? The EMSK must not be directly used by the lower >layer. If it is then you might as well just eliminate it since it >serves the same purpose as the MSK. Issue 320, which you submitted on December 1, 2005 removes the prohibition on lower layers obtaining the EMSK. It is possible to say that the EMSK "must not be directly used by the lower layer" without prohibiting lower layer access to the EMSK. So those two statements are not necessarily inconsistent. For example, the lower layer could be allowed to obtain the EMSK but be prohibited from transporting it or using it directly. The difference is subtle, but potentially important for issues such as crypto-agility. Allowing the lower layer to obtain the EMSK enables the lower layer to negotiate the PRFs used in AMSK generation, whereas this is not possible if AMSK generation is handled in the EAP layer. It also maintains backward compatibility so that a lower layer using the AMSK can be introduced without requiring changes to existing EAP implementations. As long as the EAP peer does not need to be aware of whether the authenticator is configured in standalone or pass-through mode, I think that the requirements of mode independence have been met. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 31 16:43:20 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F43HU-0005Ii-7X for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:43:20 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA03330 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3194300A7 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:43:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AFA430058 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8856F80C141 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.um.es (mail.um.es [155.54.212.109]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDEA580C146 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C7623C8D8; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:42:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.um.es ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (xenon2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08276-01-65; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:42:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from [207.3.232.162] (dibulibu.um.es [155.54.1.250]) by mail.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C6623C810; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:42:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43DFDA1A.8000604@dif.um.es> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:43:54 -0500 From: Rafa Marin Lopez Organization: University of Murcia User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050727) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] Strawman -10 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at telemat.um.es X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bernard Aboba wrote: >>> The text forbidding the export was removed in Issue 320 with the >>> following proposed change, so it would appear to me that the export >>> is now allowed. >> >> >> I see. But I was wondering for example in the case of standalone >> authenticator : will only MSK be available to lower layer as usual or >> both (MSK,EMSK) now? > > > Note that the language relating to transport of the EMSK has not been > touched so that restriction remains. Yes i noticed that. My thought was that, depending on the case, authenticator lower layer would receive MSK, EMSK or not. Your answers confirm that. > > In the passthrough case, the authenticator lower layer will not > receive the EMSK, whereas it will receive it in the standalone case. > Since the peer does not know which case is being run, this implies > that the lower layer cannot derive the TSKs directly from the EMSK, > but only from a quantity that is always available within the > authenticator lower layer. In the case of pass-through authenticator, MSK is available, but when you say quantity (of EMSK I guess), you mean any AMSK derived from EMSK?? . > > As long as the keys that the lower layer depends on are always > available on the authenticator, this doesn't violate mode independence > from the peer's point of view. I'm not sure it necessarily violates > it on the authenticator either, as long as the EMSK is destroyed after > computation of the AMSK. Well, actually, lower layer authenticator implementation should expect (MSK,EMSK) in the case EAP method is executed by the standalone authenticator or (MSK,AMSK) in the case EAP method is executed by backend authentication server. If it receives (MSK,EMSK) should create AMSK and delete EMSK. If it receives (MSK,AMSK) , that's all, correct? > If that is done, the end cryptographic state on the authenticator is > the same in either the pass-through or standalone case. About the end state, I agree. > > One advantage of this approach is that it keeps implementation of > cryptography out of the EAP layer. Allowing cryptographic operations > in the EAP layer is a problem because EAP does not support > cryptographic negotiation, so that negotiation of cryptographic > algorithms such as PRFs would require changes to existing EAP > methods. By doing those calculations in the lower layer, instead, the > Secure Association Protocol can negotiate the cryptographic algorithms > and this problem is avoided. This makes sense for me. Personally I think clarifying this in some place might be useful. Thanks. > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ Rafael Marin Lopez Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia 30071 Murcia - Spain Telf: +34968367645 e-mail: rafa@dif.um.es ------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Jan 31 16:46:39 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F43Kh-0006Ry-C6 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:46:39 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA03481 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDEC4300DB for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:46:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC006430058 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:46:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A7180C141 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:46:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.um.es (mail.um.es [155.54.212.109]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF0E80C11D for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:46:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F3D1FAB24; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:46:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.um.es ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (xenon1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21867-01-40; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:46:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from [207.3.232.162] (dibulibu.um.es [155.54.1.250]) by mail.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC041FAAB3; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:46:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43DFDAF1.8050401@dif.um.es> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:47:29 -0500 From: Rafa Marin Lopez Organization: University of Murcia User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050727) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Salowey, Joe" Subject: Re: [eap] Strawman -10 References: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69068C1FF0@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69068C1FF0@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at telemat.um.es X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>I see. But I was wondering for example in the case of standalone >>authenticator : will only MSK be available to lower layer as usual or >>both (MSK,EMSK) now? >> >> >> > >[Joe] In order to preserve mode independence the EMSK must not be >directly consumed by the lower layer. The lower layer must not require >direct access to the EMSK to function. However, the lower layer may >rely upon keys derived from the EMSK. > > Then my question is what layer is going to derive keys (i.e. AMSK) from EMSK? EAP layer?. > > > >>Thanks. >> >> >> >>> >>> >>-------------------------------------------------------------- >>-------------------------------------------------------------- >>------------ >> >> >>>Change >>> >>>"The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to the lower layer, nor is >>> >>> >>it permitted >> >> >>>to pass any quantity to the lower layer from which the EMSK could be >>>computed without breaking some cryptographic assumption, such as >>>inverting a one-way function." >>> >>>To >>> >>>"The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to an entity outside the EAP >>> >>> >>server or >> >> >>>peer, nor is it permitted to pass any quantity to an >>> >>> >>entity outside >> >> >>>the EAP >>>server or peer from which the EMSK could be computed >>> >>> >>without breaking >> >> >>>some cryptographic assumption, such as inverting a one-way >>> >>> >>function." >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Rafael Marin Lopez >>Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia >>30071 Murcia - Spain >>Telf: +34968367645 e-mail: rafa@dif.um.es >>------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >>http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap >> >>Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap >> >> >> > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ Rafael Marin Lopez Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia 30071 Murcia - Spain Telf: +34968367645 e-mail: rafa@dif.um.es ------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From crouch@bearingservice.com Tue Jan 31 16:55:53 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F43Tb-0002Tr-UY; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:55:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA04158; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from arc68-2-82-240-42-75.fbx.proxad.net ([82.240.42.75]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F43eP-0007bc-8E; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:07:02 -0500 Received: (from tomcat@localhost) by 82.240.42.75 (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j2CHmn6V985673 for diffserv-interest-admin@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:55:19 -0600 Message-ID: <616r277g.4187481@132.151.6.1> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:55:19 -0600 From: "Rosanne Zimmerman" X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.478 (Entity 5.001) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diffserv-interest-admin@ietf.org, dinaras@ietf.org, directory-web-archive@ietf.org, disman@ietf.org, disman-admin@ietf.org, dmin@ietf.org, dn@ietf.org, drafts@ietf.org, e3@ietf.org, eamoby@ietf.org, eap-archive@ietf.org, edu-team@ietf.org, edu-team-web-archive@ietf.org, entmib@ietf.org, entmib-admin@ietf.org, enum@ietf.org, enum-admin@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: (-2.731) BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 82.240.42.75 X-Scanned-By: SpamAssassin 3.332879, File::Scan 0.40, Archive::Zip 1.19 X-Recipient: Subject: Notification: Loww ratess Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_15469175==.OLA" X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 7da5a831c477fb6ef97f379a05fb683c This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_15469175==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Strawman -10 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:01:26 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69068C2179@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] Strawman -10 Thread-Index: AcYmr2q6H5C2xcvrR8Ow6Ifa4NQB1AAAA5dA From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Bernard Aboba" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:37 PM > To: Salowey, Joe > Cc: eap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [eap] Strawman -10 >=20 > >[Joe] I must not have been clear. That was not my intent,=20 > which change > >request was this? The EMSK must not be directly used by the lower > >layer. If it is then you might as well just eliminate it since it > >serves the same purpose as the MSK. >=20 > Issue 320, which you submitted on December 1, 2005 removes=20 > the prohibition=20 > on lower layers obtaining the EMSK. >=20 > It is possible to say that the EMSK "must not be directly=20 > used by the lower=20 > layer" without prohibiting lower layer access to the EMSK. =20 > So those two=20 > statements are not necessarily inconsistent. >=20 [Joe] yes. From an implementation point of view it is possible, however architecturally there needs to be separation. In a particular local authenticator implementation the lower layer may have access to the EMSK, however things should not be defined such that a lower layer must have access to the EMSK.=20 > For example, the lower layer could be allowed to obtain the=20 > EMSK but be=20 > prohibited from transporting it or using it directly. >=20 > The difference is subtle, but potentially important for=20 > issues such as=20 > crypto-agility. Allowing the lower layer to obtain the EMSK=20 > enables the=20 > lower layer to negotiate the PRFs used in AMSK generation,=20 > whereas this is=20 > not possible if AMSK generation is handled in the EAP layer. It also=20 > maintains backward compatibility so that a lower layer using=20 > the AMSK can be=20 > introduced without requiring changes to existing EAP implementations. >=20 > As long as the EAP peer does not need to be aware of whether the=20 > authenticator is configured in standalone or pass-through=20 > mode, I think that=20 > the requirements of mode independence have been met. [Joe] This worries me. It ties the key derivation to the lower layer, which could be problematic. A goal of the EMSK to AMSK derivation is to contain the problem of a misbehaving lower layer to the lower layer itself. A lower layer that determines the key derivation algorithm conflicts with this goal. What happens if there are multiple AMSKs being derived for different purposes? 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AcYmsK5W+AvKGwZkT6Sls7H3GsZn/gAHW8mA From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Rafa Marin Lopez" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rafa Marin Lopez [mailto:rafa@dif.um.es]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:47 PM > To: Salowey, Joe > Cc: Bernard Aboba; eap@frascone.com > Subject: Re: [eap] Strawman -10 >=20 >=20 > >>I see. But I was wondering for example in the case of standalone=20 > >>authenticator : will only MSK be available to lower layer=20 > as usual or=20 > >>both (MSK,EMSK) now? > >> > >> =20 > >> > > > >[Joe] In order to preserve mode independence the EMSK must not be > >directly consumed by the lower layer. The lower layer must=20 > not require > >direct access to the EMSK to function. However, the lower layer may > >rely upon keys derived from the EMSK. =20 > > =20 > > > Then my question is what layer is going to derive keys (i.e.=20 > AMSK) from=20 > EMSK? EAP layer?. >=20 [Joe] I would say the EAP layer (if there is such a thing). If you don't like the EAP layer then it would be something like an EMSK management layer or component. Not the lower layer.=20 > > > > =20 > > > >>Thanks. > >> > >> =20 > >> > >>> =20 > >>> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------- > >>-------------------------------------------------------------- > >>------------=20 > >> =20 > >> > >>>Change > >>> > >>>"The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to the lower layer, nor is=20 > >>> =20 > >>> > >>it permitted > >> =20 > >> > >>>to pass any quantity to the lower layer from which the=20 > EMSK could be > >>>computed without breaking some cryptographic assumption, such as > >>>inverting a one-way function." > >>> > >>>To > >>> > >>>"The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to an entity outside the EAP=20 > >>> =20 > >>> > >>server or > >> =20 > >> > >>>peer, nor is it permitted to pass any quantity to an=20 > >>> =20 > >>> > >>entity outside=20 > >> =20 > >> > >>>the EAP > >>>server or peer from which the EMSK could be computed=20 > >>> =20 > >>> > >>without breaking=20 > >> =20 > >> > >>>some cryptographic assumption, such as inverting a one-way=20 > >>> =20 > >>> > >>function." > >> =20 > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> =20 > >>> > >>--=20 > >>------------------------------------------------------ > >>Rafael Marin Lopez > >>Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia > >>30071 Murcia - Spain > >>Telf: +34968367645 e-mail: rafa@dif.um.es > >>------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > >>http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >> > >>Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > >> > >> =20 > >> > > > > > > =20 > > >=20 >=20 > --=20 > ------------------------------------------------------ > Rafael Marin Lopez > Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia > 30071 Murcia - Spain > Telf: +34968367645 e-mail: rafa@dif.um.es > ------------------------------------------------------ >=20 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From Gupufjx@world.std.com Tue Jan 31 22:56:49 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F496v-0004Kr-Kh; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:56:49 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA03243; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:55:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:55:04 -0500 (EST) From: Gupufjx@world.std.com Message-Id: <200602010355.WAA03243@ietf.org> Received: from [222.213.105.176] (helo=42999008) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F49Hr-0003X5-Hj; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:08:10 -0500 Brma: raj [192.0.2.182] BrmaSmtpAuthUser: coachwork Received: from storc5 (soignee [192.0.2.188]) (authenticated bits=8) by 222.213.105.176 (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jA3FRwV1[7 X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 2eba37fe9c77781b0ecb0a74d8c65128