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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C806A7.6CEF3420-- From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 04 17:00:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IdXnI-0005U9-H7; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:59:40 -0400 Received: from geopriv by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IdXnG-0005Tt-Ra for geopriv-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:59:38 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IdXnG-0005TC-En for geopriv@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:59:38 -0400 Received: from mail.opengeospatial.org ([208.44.53.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IdXn6-0000B8-6y for geopriv@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:59:34 -0400 Received: from SusieandCarl (c-24-8-177-87.hsd1.co.comcast.net [24.8.177.87]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.opengeospatial.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l94KwWTl013956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:58:32 -0400 Message-ID: <00e401c806c9$5b2d7cc0$6401a8c0@SusieandCarl> From: "Carl Reed OGC Account" To: "Dawson, Martin" , "GEOPRIV" References: <47024D46.9040705@gmx.net><5FB585F183235B42A9E70095055136FB32DB08@DEMUEXC012.nsn-intra.net><5FB585F183235B42A9E70095055136FB32DCBD@DEMUEXC012.nsn-intra.net> Subject: Re: AW: [Geopriv] Re: Geolocation Policy Draft Update Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:49:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on mail.opengeospatial.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/4472/Thu Oct 4 10:45:39 2007 on mail.opengeospatial.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 825e642946eda55cd9bc654a36dab8c2 Cc: ext Sam Hartman , Tim Polk , Russ Housley , Chris Newman , eric.gray@ericsson.com X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org There is a huge amount of literature in the Geography/photogrammetry community about uncertainty and confidence in mapped data. One of the world experts on this topic lives a mile or so from me here in Colorado. I would look to that community if we are seeking a general solution and not one specific to cellular. Regards Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawson, Martin" To: "GEOPRIV" Cc: "Tim Polk" ; "Russ Housley" ; "ext Sam Hartman" ; "Chris Newman" ; Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:41 PM Subject: RE: AW: [Geopriv] Re: Geolocation Policy Draft Update > Any polygon is a representation of uncertainty iff the intent is to > communicate that the location of the *subject* of the application is > somewhere within that polygon. Of course a civic address is conveying > the same uncertainty information with respect to the point if the intent > is that the location is somewhere within that civic address. The only > difference is that one quantifies the geographic extent of the > uncertainty explicitly and the other only implicitly. > > Actually, I think it's only true that a PIDF-LO doesn't communicate > uncertainty if you're using it in an application that says that the > communicated shape exactly represents the actual subject of the > communication. I think the more common use case is the one described > above. > > It's silly to say that the communication of uncertainty is a cellular > thing. If I provide a polygon that represents the boundary of my > property with the intent of saying that the actual subject of the > exchange is somewhere (and anywhere) within that property, then I have > just communicated an uncertainty. The polygon clearly didn't have to be > determined in the context of cellular communications. > > I think there may be - not sure - some confusion with confidence; which > would actually apply a percentage value to the probability that the > subject is within the boundary of the provided polygon and not outside > it. Indeed, PIDF-LO does not provide a mechanism to communicate > confidence. But, also, I don't think that confidence need only apply to > cellular. For example, you might provide a more constrained polygon in a > property boundary scenario because 95% of the time the subject occupies > a 10% subset of the larger polygon. Again, this is nothing to do with > whether it's a cellular context or not. > > Cheers, > Martin > > -----Original Message----- > From: James M. Polk [mailto:jmpolk@cisco.com] > Sent: Friday, 5 October 2007 5:10 AM > To: Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - DE/Munich); Thomson, Martin; ext Sam > Hartman; Hannes Tschofenig > Cc: GEOPRIV; Tim Polk; Russ Housley; Chris Newman; > eric.gray@ericsson.com > Subject: Re: AW: [Geopriv] Re: Geolocation Policy Draft Update > > At 09:32 AM 10/4/2007, Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote: >> > >> > I'd argue that the assumption is bad. In the location >> > business, you need to be comfortable with a degree of >> > uncertainty. Virtually all results are some sort of >> > probability distribution, usually with uncertainty that is >> > significant enough to cause trouble. 50 metres 67% of the >> > time is pretty vague by many standards - and that's actually >> > pretty good in the overall spectrum of results for mobile >> > networks. Ignoring uncertainty just leads to bad results. >> >>Please note that PIDF-LO does not have an explicit way to express >>uncertainty. > > This is on purpose, because there are many ways of expressing > location without a means to determine uncertainty (at the end of a > wire, for example, or connected to a specific AP at a known location > as another). Forcing "uncertainty" where it doesn't belong (PIDF-LO > is *not_only* for cellular networks) does more harm than good - > because it starts to make techs guess what is the right percentage of > uncertainty. Further, the idea that uncertainty applies only to > coordinate representations is wrong. For example, I can give you a > linear ring of the 5 points of my house's property, with my > property's boundary being straight lines between each point (which is > true BTW) - and claim that is the same as my civic > address. Therefore, if there is uncertainty in my polygon of my > house, there is uncertainty in my civic street address I can give out > as well - yet time and time again this has been said to be untrue. > > James > > > _______________________________________________ > Geopriv mailing list > Geopriv@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This message is for the designated recipient only and may > contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. > If you have received it in error, please notify the sender > immediately and delete the original. Any unauthorized use of > this email is prohibited. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [mf2] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geopriv mailing list > Geopriv@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv > _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 04 17:25:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IdYCJ-0004ev-Vc; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:25:32 -0400 Received: from geopriv by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IdYCG-0004Xg-24 for geopriv-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:25:28 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IdYCC-0004RK-96 for geopriv@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:25:24 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IdYBu-0001nk-AU for geopriv@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:25:24 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Oct 2007 21:24:50 -0000 Received: from p54984810.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.1.4]) [84.152.72.16] by mail.gmx.net (mp035) with SMTP; 04 Oct 2007 23:24:50 +0200 X-Authenticated: #29516787 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+XKptw6dmXzpd0o4qYyKuB3ywj5rPw5+IwuIbugZ ih4iE7yKwe6oZc Message-ID: <47055A1E.5040501@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:24:46 +0200 From: Hannes Tschofenig User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Reed OGC Account Subject: Re: AW: [Geopriv] Re: Geolocation Policy Draft Update References: <47024D46.9040705@gmx.net><5FB585F183235B42A9E70095055136FB32DB08@DEMUEXC012.nsn-intra.net><5FB585F183235B42A9E70095055136FB32DCBD@DEMUEXC012.nsn-intra.net> <00e401c806c9$5b2d7cc0$6401a8c0@SusieandCarl> In-Reply-To: <00e401c806c9$5b2d7cc0$6401a8c0@SusieandCarl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93e7fb8fef2e780414389440f367c879 Cc: GEOPRIV , "Dawson, Martin" , Chris Newman , Russ Housley , Tim Polk , ext Sam Hartman , eric.gray@ericsson.com X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org It would be helpful to get in touch with these experts since we are discussing this topic now for years. An outsider could help us to move the work in the right direction -- and I am not really focusing on this document alone. This issue needs to get resolved asap. Ciao Hannes Carl Reed OGC Account wrote: > There is a huge amount of literature in the Geography/photogrammetry > community about uncertainty and confidence in mapped data. One of the > world experts on this topic lives a mile or so from me here in > Colorado. I would look to that community if we are seeking a general > solution and not one specific to cellular. > > Regards > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawson, Martin" > > To: "GEOPRIV" > Cc: "Tim Polk" ; "Russ Housley" > ; "ext Sam Hartman" ; > "Chris Newman" ; > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:41 PM > Subject: RE: AW: [Geopriv] Re: Geolocation Policy Draft Update > > >> Any polygon is a representation of uncertainty iff the intent is to >> communicate that the location of the *subject* of the application is >> somewhere within that polygon. Of course a civic address is conveying >> the same uncertainty information with respect to the point if the intent >> is that the location is somewhere within that civic address. The only >> difference is that one quantifies the geographic extent of the >> uncertainty explicitly and the other only implicitly. >> >> Actually, I think it's only true that a PIDF-LO doesn't communicate >> uncertainty if you're using it in an application that says that the >> communicated shape exactly represents the actual subject of the >> communication. I think the more common use case is the one described >> above. >> >> It's silly to say that the communication of uncertainty is a cellular >> thing. If I provide a polygon that represents the boundary of my >> property with the intent of saying that the actual subject of the >> exchange is somewhere (and anywhere) within that property, then I have >> just communicated an uncertainty. The polygon clearly didn't have to be >> determined in the context of cellular communications. >> >> I think there may be - not sure - some confusion with confidence; which >> would actually apply a percentage value to the probability that the >> subject is within the boundary of the provided polygon and not outside >> it. Indeed, PIDF-LO does not provide a mechanism to communicate >> confidence. But, also, I don't think that confidence need only apply to >> cellular. For example, you might provide a more constrained polygon in a >> property boundary scenario because 95% of the time the subject occupies >> a 10% subset of the larger polygon. Again, this is nothing to do with >> whether it's a cellular context or not. >> >> Cheers, >> Martin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James M. Polk [mailto:jmpolk@cisco.com] >> Sent: Friday, 5 October 2007 5:10 AM >> To: Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - DE/Munich); Thomson, Martin; ext Sam >> Hartman; Hannes Tschofenig >> Cc: GEOPRIV; Tim Polk; Russ Housley; Chris Newman; >> eric.gray@ericsson.com >> Subject: Re: AW: [Geopriv] Re: Geolocation Policy Draft Update >> >> At 09:32 AM 10/4/2007, Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote: >>> > >>> > I'd argue that the assumption is bad. In the location >>> > business, you need to be comfortable with a degree of >>> > uncertainty. Virtually all results are some sort of >>> > probability distribution, usually with uncertainty that is >>> > significant enough to cause trouble. 50 metres 67% of the >>> > time is pretty vague by many standards - and that's actually >>> > pretty good in the overall spectrum of results for mobile >>> > networks. Ignoring uncertainty just leads to bad results. >>> >>> Please note that PIDF-LO does not have an explicit way to express >>> uncertainty. >> >> This is on purpose, because there are many ways of expressing >> location without a means to determine uncertainty (at the end of a >> wire, for example, or connected to a specific AP at a known location >> as another). Forcing "uncertainty" where it doesn't belong (PIDF-LO >> is *not_only* for cellular networks) does more harm than good - >> because it starts to make techs guess what is the right percentage of >> uncertainty. Further, the idea that uncertainty applies only to >> coordinate representations is wrong. For example, I can give you a >> linear ring of the 5 points of my house's property, with my >> property's boundary being straight lines between each point (which is >> true BTW) - and claim that is the same as my civic >> address. Therefore, if there is uncertainty in my polygon of my >> house, there is uncertainty in my civic street address I can give out >> as well - yet time and time again this has been said to be untrue. >> >> James >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Geopriv mailing list >> Geopriv@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> This message is for the designated recipient only and may >> contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. >> If you have received it in error, please notify the sender >> immediately and delete the original. 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Hong Kong's Hang Sen was also up 3.89 percent -- gaining more than 1,= 000 points -- at 28,047.

(CNN) -- Darren Tuck, the man who gave police a tape depicting th= e rape of a 3-year-old girl, turned himself in Sunday to Nye County, Neva= da, authorities.

Witnesses told police that Gotbaum was "yelling and screaming" and ru= nning through the terminal Friday. She was arrested for disorderly conduc= t.

Investigators said officers went to check on her five to 10 minutes l= ater. Police policy requires that be done every 15 minutes.

So= meone close to Stiles told investigators Stiles is a "survivalist type" a= nd always carries a weapon, Nye County District Attorney Bob Beckett said=

Authorities have identified Chester A. Stiles, 37, as the suspect in = the tape. A resident of Pahrump, Nevada, he remains at-large, De Meo sai= d. Pahrump is about 60 miles west of Las Vegas.

"The degree of recovery in trading volume will largely decide how hig= h the market can go," he said.

Allen said he never witnessed Stiles physically assault anyone.

Finding Gotbaum "unconscious and not breathing," Hill said, officers = performed CPR.

"Sometime during the time she went into custody, she went into medica= l distress," he said.

"The mother has cooperated with us," De Meo said. "We believe that th= e mother was not aware of anything that went on with this young girl. It = was very sad for her to find this out."

"But I have seen him verbally and mentally assault many people," Alle= n told CNN. "He's good with mind games. He's good at twisting people's re= alities and manipulating people."

Stiles was a distant friend of the girl's family, De Meo said.

Allen said nobody realized the child had been abused.

Todd Allen, a Las Vegas resident, told CNN he once lived with the g= irl from the video and her mother. He said he recognizes his old apartmen= t from scenes in the video. He said he knows the suspect because Allen's = mother dated Stiles and the couple spent time together at Allen's apartme= nt. Watch Allen describe Stiles and the girl =BB

CNN and other news organizations did so until the child was found, an= d De Meo asked media to stop showing the picture.

Carol Ann Gotbaum may have accidentally strangled herself while tryin= g to get out of her handcuffs, Phoenix Police Department spokesman Sgt. A= ndy Hill said Saturday.

"She's what you'd expect a little girl in elementary school to be lik= e," he said. "You would never know something like that happened. Ever."

The Dow Jones industrial average added nearly 192 points to end at an= all-time high of 14,087.55 points on Monday amid hopes that banks have p= ut the worst of the recent 'credit crunch' behind them and expectations t= hat the Federal Reserve will continue to cut interest rates.

Gotbaum was the mother of three young children and the daughter-in-la= w of longtime New York City Public Advocate Betsy Gotbaum.

Betsy Gotbaum called Carol Ann Gotbaum "a wonderful, wonderful person= " and a great mother. She said the family was dealing with the situation = "the best way we can."

A spokeswoman for the Maricopa County medical examiner said an autops= y would be conducted Monday morning.

"According to investigators, it appeared as though Ms. Gotbaum had po= ssibly tried to manipulate the handcuffs from behind her to the front, go= t tangled up in the process, and they ended up around her neck area," he = said.

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<130526AC-BE13-4D78-B49F-461240E01528@osafoundation.org> In-Reply-To: <130526AC-BE13-4D78-B49F-461240E01528@osafoundation.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2007 13:28:50.0691 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAA88530:01C80753] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Cc: GEOPRIV X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org ext Lisa Dusseault wrote: > > Does this mean that generally as used by Geopriv, that the Extensible > Markup Language is *not* extensible? Yikes. There should be language > about where extension elements *may not* appear, and clients should > elsewhere be able to handle extension elements by just ignoring them. > > If that's not the case, I've seriously misunderstood your message. > > Thanks, > Lisa > I've ranted about xml extensions too many times, so sorry to continue... In many cases we have adopted a model where the first submitted schema _must_ be the most liberal one, then the following extension schemas just basically limit the baseline schema. All of this is done so that we accomplish forwards and backwards compatibility. So when defining the baseline schema a lot of carefulness is needed if there's a requirement to fulfill this. Unfortunately, quite many schemas have been done with the w3c schema 1.0 tool, which doesn't allow flexible extensions unlike relax ng which seems to be gaining popularity in ietf finally. However, even using relax doesn't change the fact that the baseline must be liberal. 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Polk" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2007 07:55:03.0627 (UTC) FILETIME=[B34011B0:01C80A49] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1121; t=1191916503; x=1192780503; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1004; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jmpolk@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22James=20M.=20Polk=22=20 |Subject:=20Issue=20with=20section=20in=20geopriv-pdif-lo-profile-09 |Sender:=20; bh=q9UCVKo+fX3x2JPyWyQNgs8yM8UdRRD5rZcUBTSb7k8=; b=BCfygSJZSijIJnTVAV7miIn8FM45bWadhfwVyyCIZgBCi87ZVg9P1SsA0Ti9Yk3lxP6sMyO6 2OShITXj485xqCrizPn50LDyl8zMjNGTMMq3svmzYQzBhdmF/dwh4CNeqv1QVyyGk46/qBVFXL 9ZhTSX63kQEeFx1nvgZt47JUY=; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=jmpolk@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Subject: [Geopriv] Issue with section in geopriv-pdif-lo-profile-09 X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org I guess I haven't read it this way in the past, but am noticing this now. Section 3.4 of draft-ietf-geopriv-pdif-lo-profile-09 is showing how "Vanessa" can lie about her location. This is in stark contrast to what this WG agreed to do during the formation of the WG, and I haven't read or been part of any discussion within the WG reaching consensus that position (different usage ;-) had changed. Since this ID is discussing the PIDF-LO defined in RFC 4119, it is about Presence communications (the P in PIDF-LO). Specifically related to section 3.4, a more appropriate solution for Vanessa to indicate she doesn't want to be disturbed using Presence is to indicate "she doesn't want to be disturbed", *not* to lie about where she is. Since this ID is a profile doc (a "how to use" type of doc), I believe this subsection is inappropriate for each of the above reasons, and should be changed. James BTW - it is obvious a device can provide false location, but we shouldn't be advocating it or giving any examples of how this is done -- especially for a Standards Track document. _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 09 04:21:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfALG-0003ME-P4; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:21:26 -0400 Received: from geopriv by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IfALF-0003M5-O4 for geopriv-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:21:25 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfALF-0003Lv-Bw for geopriv@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:21:25 -0400 Received: from smtp3.andrew.com ([198.135.207.235] helo=andrew.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfALE-0000sI-Sk for geopriv@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:21:25 -0400 X-SEF-Processed: 5_0_0_910__2007_10_09_03_31_18 X-SEF-16EBA1E9-99E8-4E1D-A1CA-4971F5510AF: 1 Received: from aopexbh2.andrew.com [10.86.20.25] by smtp3.andrew.com - SurfControl E-mail Filter (5.2.1); Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:31:18 -0500 Received: from AHQEX1.andrew.com ([10.86.20.21]) by aopexbh2.andrew.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 03:21:24 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Geopriv] Issue with section in geopriv-pdif-lo-profile-09 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 03:20:28 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Geopriv] Issue with section in geopriv-pdif-lo-profile-09 Thread-Index: AcgKSv7IZScEuMMtSVC04qe1CGZr/AAAjmYg References: From: "Winterbottom, James" To: "James M. Polk" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2007 08:21:24.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[61755C60:01C80A4D] X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Thanks James.=0D=0A=0D=0AWe will correct that.=0D=0A=0D=0ACheers=0D=0AJames=0D= =0A=0D=0A=0D=0A> -----Original Message-----=0D=0A> From: James M. Polk [mai= lto:jmpolk@cisco.com]=0D=0A> Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 5:55 PM=0D=0A> T= o: geopriv@ietf.org=0D=0A> Subject: [Geopriv] Issue with section in geopriv= -pdif-lo-profile-09=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> I guess I haven't read it this way in = the past, but am noticing this=0D=0A> now. Section 3.4 of draft-ietf-geopri= v-pdif-lo-profile-09 is showing=0D=0A> how "Vanessa" can lie about her loca= tion. This is in stark contrast=0D=0A> to what this WG agreed to do during= the formation of the WG, and I=0D=0A> haven't read or been part of any dis= cussion within the WG reaching=0D=0A> consensus that position (different us= age ;-) had changed.=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> Since this ID is discussing the PIDF-= LO defined in RFC 4119, it is=0D=0A> about Presence communications (the P i= n PIDF-LO). Specifically=0D=0A> related to section 3.4, a more appropriate = solution for Vanessa to=0D=0A> indicate she doesn't want to be=0D=0A> distu= rbed using Presence is to indicate "she doesn't want to be=0D=0A> disturbed= ", *not* to lie about where she is.=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> Since this ID is a pro= file doc (a "how to use" type of doc), I=0D=0A> believe this subsection is = inappropriate for each of the above=0D=0A> reasons, and should be changed.=0D= =0A>=20=0D=0A> James=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> BTW - it is obvious a device can prov= ide false location, but we=0D=0A> shouldn't be advocating it or giving any = examples of how this is done=0D=0A> -- especially for a Standards Track doc= ument.=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> _________________________________________= ______=0D=0A> Geopriv mailing list=0D=0A> Geopriv@ietf.org=0D=0A> https://w= ww1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv=0D=0A=0D=0A--------------------------= ----------------------------------------------------------------------=0D=0A= This message is for the designated recipient only and may=0D=0Acontain priv= ileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. =20=0D=0AIf you have= received it in error, please notify the sender=0D=0Aimmediately and delete= the original. 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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C80A8D.58E02450-- From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 09 08:09:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfDsi-0002Jq-Dx; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:08:12 -0400 Received: from geopriv by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IfDsh-0002Jf-4k for geopriv-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:08:11 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfDsg-0002DE-Lp for geopriv@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:08:10 -0400 Received: from aismt07p.bellsouth.com ([139.76.165.213]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfDsg-0008MP-C1 for geopriv@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:08:10 -0400 Received: from ([139.76.131.87]) by aismt07p.bellsouth.com with ESMTP id KP-AXPTB.186116721; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:07:56 -0400 Received: from 01NC27689010625.AD.BLS.COM ([90.144.44.200]) by 01GAF5142010623.AD.BLS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:07:56 -0400 Received: from 01NC27689010641.AD.BLS.COM ([90.144.44.103]) by 01NC27689010625.AD.BLS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:07:55 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2929 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:07:54 -0400 Message-ID: <7582BC68E4994F4ABF0BD4723975C3FA05E34F3C@crexc41p> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: HELD 'expires' parameter thread-index: AcgKbQYNr5g9z0YzRh21GGA/7aY7Mg== From: "Stark, Barbara" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2007 12:07:56.0014 (UTC) FILETIME=[06B298E0:01C80A6D] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Subject: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Right now, expires is defined only for use with a returned location reference. I was wondering if there might be value in also allowing it to be returned with a value. The meaning would be that the device needs to do another query to update its location, before 'expires'.=20 In phonebcp-02, there's a recommendation that devices which don't expect to roam should refresh location daily, and those that can be expected to roam should refresh more frequently. The problem is that many devices don't know that they're part of a roaming network. But the access network often does know. So, if we use 'expires' with location values, the access network could let the device know that more frequent refreshes are appropriate. Just a thought. Barbara ***** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to = which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or = privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other = use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by = persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If = you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the = material from all computers. GA623 _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv From DOUGNitka@campusfive.com Tue Oct 09 08:56:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfEd2-00074P-3C for geopriv-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:56:04 -0400 Received: from e181177212.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.181.177.212] helo=[78.51.75.153]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfEcr-0001TX-DH for geopriv-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:55:53 -0400 Received: from saxonia ([104.179.141.99] helo=saxonia) by [78.51.75.153] (sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1) with esmtpa id 1Bizst-000CSD-Je for geopriv-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:55:17 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c80a73$921510b0$994b334e@saxonia> From: "DOUG Nitka" To: Subject: erneissa Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:54:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C80A84.559DE0B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C80A84.559DE0B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.nichh.com/ Evening geopriv-archive WAnt to be a p0rnstar, now you can! DOUG Nitka ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C80A84.559DE0B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C80A84.559DE0B0-- From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 09 09:12:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfErm-00049W-Ho; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:11:18 -0400 Received: from geopriv by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IfErl-00049K-5f for geopriv-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:11:17 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfErk-000485-Qm for geopriv@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:11:16 -0400 Received: from mx11.bbn.com ([128.33.0.80]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfErg-0001ri-Eq for geopriv@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:11:12 -0400 Received: from mail.bbn.com ([128.33.1.19]) by mx11.bbn.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IfErf-0000Fx-6N; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:11:12 -0400 Received: from col-dhcp33-244-153.bbn.com ([128.33.244.153] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.bbn.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IfErf-0001cp-RY; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:11:11 -0400 Message-ID: <470B7DEC.60704@bbn.com> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:11:08 -0400 From: Richard Barnes User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Stark, Barbara" Subject: Re: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter References: <7582BC68E4994F4ABF0BD4723975C3FA05E34F3C@crexc41p> In-Reply-To: <7582BC68E4994F4ABF0BD4723975C3FA05E34F3C@crexc41p> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Cc: geopriv@ietf.org X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org That seems reasonable, but it might overlap/conflict with the "retention-expires" rule in the returned PIDF-LO. Slightly different semantics, but I think the effect is the same. --Richard Stark, Barbara wrote: > Right now, expires is defined only for use with a returned location > reference. I was wondering if there might be value in also allowing it > to be returned with a value. The meaning would be that the device needs > to do another query to update its location, before 'expires'. > > In phonebcp-02, there's a recommendation that devices which don't expect > to roam should refresh location daily, and those that can be expected to > roam should refresh more frequently. The problem is that many devices > don't know that they're part of a roaming network. But the access > network often does know. So, if we use 'expires' with location values, > the access network could let the device know that more frequent > refreshes are appropriate. > > Just a thought. > Barbara > > ***** > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. GA623 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geopriv mailing list > Geopriv@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv > > _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 09 09:39:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfFJ9-0002gw-7h; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:39:35 -0400 Received: from geopriv by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IfFJ7-0002gh-Sp for geopriv-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:39:33 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfFJ7-0002gU-J7 for geopriv@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:39:33 -0400 Received: from aismt07p.bellsouth.com ([139.76.165.213]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfFJ0-0008V2-Bf for geopriv@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:39:33 -0400 Received: from ([139.76.131.83]) by aismt07p.bellsouth.com with ESMTP id KP-AXPTB.186126974; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:38:55 -0400 Received: from 01NC27689010625.AD.BLS.COM ([90.144.44.200]) by 01GAF5142010622.AD.BLS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:38:54 -0400 Received: from 01NC27689010641.AD.BLS.COM ([90.144.44.103]) by 01NC27689010625.AD.BLS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:38:54 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2929 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:38:53 -0400 Message-ID: <7582BC68E4994F4ABF0BD4723975C3FA05E34FA8@crexc41p> In-Reply-To: <470B7DEC.60704@bbn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter thread-index: AcgKdfF9Vyqg7Uv/RpW8kvC5sI3ivAAA4Cjg References: <7582BC68E4994F4ABF0BD4723975C3FA05E34F3C@crexc41p> <470B7DEC.60704@bbn.com> From: "Stark, Barbara" To: "Richard Barnes" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2007 13:38:54.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC5DBEC0:01C80A79] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d0bdc596f8dd1c226c458f0b4df27a88 Cc: geopriv@ietf.org X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Thanks. I'd overlooked that parameter in the PIDF-LO. You're right -- that PIDF-LO parameter can meet this need. Barbara=20 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barnes [mailto:rbarnes@bbn.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:11 AM To: Stark, Barbara Cc: geopriv@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter That seems reasonable, but it might overlap/conflict with the=20 "retention-expires" rule in the returned PIDF-LO. Slightly different=20 semantics, but I think the effect is the same. --Richard Stark, Barbara wrote: > Right now, expires is defined only for use with a returned location > reference. I was wondering if there might be value in also allowing it > to be returned with a value. The meaning would be that the device needs > to do another query to update its location, before 'expires'.=20 >=20 > In phonebcp-02, there's a recommendation that devices which don't expect > to roam should refresh location daily, and those that can be expected to > roam should refresh more frequently. The problem is that many devices > don't know that they're part of a roaming network. But the access > network often does know. So, if we use 'expires' with location values, > the access network could let the device know that more frequent > refreshes are appropriate. >=20 > Just a thought. > Barbara >=20 > ***** >=20 > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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GA622 _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 09 12:08:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfHdC-0008J1-QE; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:08:26 -0400 Received: from geopriv by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IfHdB-0008In-AL for geopriv-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:08:25 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfHdB-0008If-0l for geopriv@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:08:25 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfHd4-0003mP-N8 for geopriv@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:08:24 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,249,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="405032860" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Oct 2007 09:08:00 -0700 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l99G7x7h007648 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:07:59 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l99G7xZo005237 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:07:59 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:07:59 -0700 Received: from jmpolk-wxp.cisco.com ([10.21.123.234]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:07:59 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:07:57 -0500 To: geopriv@ietf.org From: "James M. Polk" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2007 16:07:59.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FDD06C0:01C80A8E] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=985; t=1191946079; x=1192810079; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jmpolk@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22James=20M.=20Polk=22=20 |Subject:=20Question=20about=20non-labeled=20field=20usage=20within=20RFC 4119/4776 |Sender:=20; bh=2iMoo1P9inOF2MmlUe8C/UVdIf6/wtE+2gDkF5cf5Yo=; b=r0y/sHJSIceDDp1t6o3rC+ga6ZbcJ1aQ36BBCj3HKQ7MhNpkHaWZyGB77LLH507PdDLv60gQ rr5v2T7ka07eygV1CZPLyqoUkXbOWw+qVg19YYcRmJLzfMhlPxlhmv2i; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=jmpolk@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Subject: [Geopriv] Question about non-labeled field usage within RFC4119/4776 X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org All I'm looking for views on how the non-labeled CATypes are used within the XML of the PIDF-LO. For example, CAType=25 is for building, but is the XML for this (if one chooses to use it): Building-1 ? I'm also confused about something between RFC4119 and 4776 that I'm sure was discussed, but I don't remember its outcome. This has to do with the example given in RFC4119 for "Low Library" as , yet in RFC4776, "Low Library" is under CAType=25 (and LMK is showing "Columbia University"). It seems like the usage is RFC4776 makes more sense, but I don't know what to do with the non-labeled (specifically the ones without a ~3-letter character describer string) I don't remember if we ever got down to these lower level aspects of the differences between RFC4119 and 4776. I think this may have fallen between the cracks of the differences between NENA and PIDF, with no resolution. I hope I'm wrong. Thanks James _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 09 13:11:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfIcB-00086h-9j; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:11:27 -0400 Received: from geopriv by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IfIc9-00083W-56 for geopriv-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:11:25 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfIc8-00081y-Hn for geopriv@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:11:24 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfIc7-0005CP-BF for geopriv@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:11:24 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,249,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="11547377" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Oct 2007 10:11:22 -0700 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l99HBMUx001075 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:11:22 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l99HBMZv024450 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:11:22 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:11:17 -0700 Received: from jmpolk-wxp.cisco.com ([10.21.123.234]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:11:16 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:11:15 -0500 To: geopriv@ietf.org From: "James M. Polk" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2007 17:11:16.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[673EAF80:01C80A97] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1300; t=1191949882; x=1192813882; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jmpolk@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22James=20M.=20Polk=22=20 |Subject:=20Fwd=3A=20Question=20about=20non-labeled=20field=20usage=20wit hin=20RFC4119/4776 |Sender:=20; bh=S1Zy5x0rDQq0V1bUUBCcjVNdutUwFc00pT0mw3A29to=; b=lJ4FC3ofdpRvR73xx0Q9ZhPn1SI+a91wGY7BNq9Gk16oi9VB/rgVb0zOIElMVfMTiawXnC9r i/xvtgAGZl5osmL1Rlry6Pv9yp/sBRVig1ypsaw0hexZqN6ACxgTqFTf; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=jmpolk@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Subject: [Geopriv] Fwd: Question about non-labeled field usage within RFC4119/4776 X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org never mind ... 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This has to >do with the example given in RFC4119 for "Low Library" as , yet >in RFC4776, "Low Library" is under CAType=25 (and LMK is showing >"Columbia University"). > >It seems like the usage is RFC4776 makes more sense, but I don't >know what to do with the non-labeled (specifically the ones without >a ~3-letter character describer string) > >I don't remember if we ever got down to these lower level aspects of >the differences between RFC4119 and 4776. I think this may have >fallen between the cracks of the differences between NENA and PIDF, >with no resolution. 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If you're in the US or anywhere else, join your new casino paradise. http://bestgoldencasino.net/ From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 09 17:52:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfMzc-00076Q-I0; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:51:56 -0400 Received: from geopriv by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IfMzb-00076F-KU for geopriv-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:51:55 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfMzb-000764-AZ for geopriv@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:51:55 -0400 Received: from smtp3.andrew.com ([198.135.207.235] helo=andrew.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfMzV-0005WG-5N for geopriv@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:51:55 -0400 X-SEF-Processed: 5_0_0_910__2007_10_09_17_01_21 X-SEF-16EBA1E9-99E8-4E1D-A1CA-4971F5510AF: 1 Received: from aopexbh2.andrew.com [10.86.20.25] by smtp3.andrew.com - SurfControl E-mail Filter (5.2.1); Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:01:21 -0500 Received: from AHQEX1.andrew.com ([10.86.20.21]) by aopexbh2.andrew.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:51:26 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:51:24 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7582BC68E4994F4ABF0BD4723975C3FA05E34FA8@crexc41p> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter Thread-Index: AcgKdfF9Vyqg7Uv/RpW8kvC5sI3ivAAA4CjgABDqmQA= References: <7582BC68E4994F4ABF0BD4723975C3FA05E34F3C@crexc41p><470B7DEC.60704@bbn.com> <7582BC68E4994F4ABF0BD4723975C3FA05E34FA8@crexc41p> From: "Winterbottom, James" To: "Stark, Barbara" , "Richard Barnes" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2007 21:51:26.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A731140:01C80ABE] X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a Cc: geopriv@ietf.org X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org This isn't really the aim of retention-expires parameter.=0D=0Aretention-ex= pires indicates the point in time after which a recipient is=0D=0Ano longer= permitted to hold the location object, it does not provide any=0D=0Aindica= tor as to whether the Target is still at the location or not. I=0D=0Adon't = think that over-loading its value to indicate that the Target=0D=0Ashould r= e-acquire its location is a good idea.=0D=0A=0D=0AI think we either need a = separate indicator in the PIDF-LO, or a=0D=0Aparameter in the HELD location= Response message.=0D=0A=0D=0ACheers=0D=0AJames=20=0D=0A=0D=0A> -----Origina= l Message-----=0D=0A> From: Stark, Barbara [mailto:bs7652@att.com]=0D=0A> S= ent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 11:39 PM=0D=0A> To: Richard Barnes=0D=0A> Cc: = geopriv@ietf.org=0D=0A> Subject: RE: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter=0D=0A= >=20=0D=0A> Thanks. I'd overlooked that parameter in the PIDF-LO. You're ri= ght --=0D=0A> that PIDF-LO parameter can meet this need.=0D=0A> Barbara=0D=0A= >=20=0D=0A> -----Original Message-----=0D=0A> From: Richard Barnes [mailto:= rbarnes@bbn.com]=0D=0A> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:11 AM=0D=0A> To: = Stark, Barbara=0D=0A> Cc: geopriv@ietf.org=0D=0A> Subject: Re: [Geopriv] HE= LD 'expires' parameter=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> That seems reasonable, but it might= overlap/conflict with the=0D=0A> "retention-expires" rule in the returned = PIDF-LO. Slightly different=0D=0A> semantics, but I think the effect is th= e same.=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> --Richard=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> Sta= rk, Barbara wrote:=0D=0A> > Right now, expires is defined only for use with= a returned location=0D=0A> > reference. I was wondering if there might be = value in also allowing=0D=0Ait=0D=0A> > to be returned with a value. The me= aning would be that the device=0D=0A> needs=0D=0A> > to do another query to= update its location, before 'expires'.=0D=0A> >=0D=0A> > In phonebcp-02, t= here's a recommendation that devices which don't=0D=0A> expect=0D=0A> > to = roam should refresh location daily, and those that can be=0D=0Aexpected=0D=0A= > to=0D=0A> > roam should refresh more frequently. The problem is that many=0D= =0Adevices=0D=0A> > don't know that they're part of a roaming network. But = the access=0D=0A> > network often does know. So, if we use 'expires' with = location=0D=0A> values,=0D=0A> > the access network could let the device kn= ow that more frequent=0D=0A> > refreshes are appropriate.=0D=0A> >=0D=0A> >= Just a thought.=0D=0A> > Barbara=0D=0A> >=0D=0A> > *****=0D=0A> >=0D=0A> >= The information transmitted is intended only for the person or=0D=0Aentity=0D= =0A> to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary,=0D= =0A> and/or privileged material. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C80ADF.AB11E2C0-- From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 10 00:03:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfSmT-0004PC-KC; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:02:45 -0400 Received: from geopriv by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IfSmS-0004Ot-Fm for geopriv-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:02:44 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfSmS-0004Ol-5h for geopriv@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:02:44 -0400 Received: from ns3.neustar.com ([156.154.24.138]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfSmR-0003qn-TQ for geopriv@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:02:44 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (stiedprweb1.va.neustar.com [10.91.34.42]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FDB175C1; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:02:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mirror by ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IfSmM-00087F-20; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:02:38 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: martin.thomson@andrew.com From: IETF I-D Submission Tool Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:02:38 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: geopriv@ietf.org, james.winterbottom@andrew.com Subject: [Geopriv] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-geopriv-pdif-lo-profile-10 X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-geopriv-pdif-lo-profile-10.txt has been successfuly submitted by Martin Thomson and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-ietf-geopriv-pdif-lo-profile Revision: 10 Title: GEOPRIV PIDF-LO Usage Clarification, Considerations and Recommendations Creation_date: 2007-10-10 WG ID: geopriv Number_of_pages: 31 Abstract: The Presence Information Data Format Location Object (PIDF-LO) specification provides a flexible and versatile means to represent location information. There are, however, circumstances that arise when information needs to be constrained in how it is represented. In these circumstances the range of options that need to be implemented are reduced. There is growing interest in being able to use location information contained in a PIDF-LO for routing applications. To allow successful interoperability between applications, location information needs to be normative and more tightly constrained than is currently specified in the RFC 4119 (PIDF-LO). This document makes recommendations on how to constrain, represent and interpret locations in a PIDF-LO. It further recommends a subset of GML that is mandatory to implement by applications involved in location based routing. 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This draft is a work item of the Geographic Location/Privacy Working Group of the IETF. Title : GEOPRIV PIDF-LO Usage Clarification, Considerations and Recommendations Author(s) : J. Winterbottom, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-geopriv-pdif-lo-profile-10.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2007-10-10 The Presence Information Data Format Location Object (PIDF-LO) specification provides a flexible and versatile means to represent location information. There are, however, circumstances that arise when information needs to be constrained in how it is represented. In these circumstances the range of options that need to be implemented are reduced. There is growing interest in being able to use location information contained in a PIDF-LO for routing applications. To allow successful interoperability between applications, location information needs to be normative and more tightly constrained than is currently specified in the RFC 4119 (PIDF-LO). 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We carry all the expensive brands for a very small precentage of the cost. www.urheggv.com From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 10 10:27:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfcWs-00026v-5C; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:27:18 -0400 Received: from geopriv by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IfcWq-00023V-TF for geopriv-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:27:16 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfcWq-0001zC-2u for geopriv@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:27:16 -0400 Received: from mx12.bbn.com ([128.33.0.81]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfcWm-0006QH-2V for geopriv@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:27:15 -0400 Received: from mail.bbn.com ([128.33.1.19]) by mx12.bbn.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IfcWj-0005S2-4q; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:27:09 -0400 Received: from dhcp89-089-119.bbn.com ([128.89.89.119] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.bbn.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IfcWj-0002KA-Eo; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:27:09 -0400 Message-ID: <470CE0F1.2040807@bbn.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:25:53 -0400 From: Matt Lepinski Organization: BBN User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Winterbottom, James" Subject: Re: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter References: <7582BC68E4994F4ABF0BD4723975C3FA05E34F3C@crexc41p><470B7DEC.60704@bbn.com> <7582BC68E4994F4ABF0BD4723975C3FA05E34FA8@crexc41p> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ff0adf256e4dd459cc25215cfa732ac1 Cc: geopriv@ietf.org X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org James, I agree that the retention-expires parameter doesn't really have the semantics that Barbara indicated. However, what is not clear to me is how the access network knows at the time of the HELD request, how long the returned location is valid. In many scenarios this would depend on how much the device is going to be moving, and I don't see device movement as being very predictable by the access network. This is a general issue with location-by-value. In many scenarios neither the device nor the access network is in a position to predict how long a location returned by HELD will be valid. - Matt Lepinski :-> Winterbottom, James wrote: >This isn't really the aim of retention-expires parameter. >retention-expires indicates the point in time after which a recipient is >no longer permitted to hold the location object, it does not provide any >indicator as to whether the Target is still at the location or not. I >don't think that over-loading its value to indicate that the Target >should re-acquire its location is a good idea. > >I think we either need a separate indicator in the PIDF-LO, or a >parameter in the HELD locationResponse message. > >Cheers >James > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Stark, Barbara [mailto:bs7652@att.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 11:39 PM >>To: Richard Barnes >>Cc: geopriv@ietf.org >>Subject: RE: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter >> >>Thanks. I'd overlooked that parameter in the PIDF-LO. You're right -- >>that PIDF-LO parameter can meet this need. >>Barbara >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Richard Barnes [mailto:rbarnes@bbn.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:11 AM >>To: Stark, Barbara >>Cc: geopriv@ietf.org >>Subject: Re: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter >> >>That seems reasonable, but it might overlap/conflict with the >>"retention-expires" rule in the returned PIDF-LO. Slightly different >>semantics, but I think the effect is the same. >> >>--Richard >> >> >> >>Stark, Barbara wrote: >> >> >>>Right now, expires is defined only for use with a returned location >>>reference. I was wondering if there might be value in also allowing >>> >>> >it > > >>>to be returned with a value. The meaning would be that the device >>> >>> >>needs >> >> >>>to do another query to update its location, before 'expires'. >>> >>>In phonebcp-02, there's a recommendation that devices which don't >>> >>> >>expect >> >> >>>to roam should refresh location daily, and those that can be >>> >>> >expected > > >>to >> >> >>>roam should refresh more frequently. The problem is that many >>> >>> >devices > > >>>don't know that they're part of a roaming network. But the access >>>network often does know. So, if we use 'expires' with location >>> >>> >>values, >> >> >>>the access network could let the device know that more frequent >>>refreshes are appropriate. >>> >>>Just a thought. >>>Barbara >>> >>>***** >>> >>>The information transmitted is intended only for the person or >>> >>> >entity > > >>to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, >>and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination >> >> >or > > >>other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this >> >> >information > > >>by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is >> >> >prohibited. > > >>If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete >> >> >the > > >>material from all computers. 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Any unauthorized use of >this email is prohibited. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >[mf2] > > > >_______________________________________________ >Geopriv mailing list >Geopriv@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv > > > _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 10 10:53:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfcwI-00056G-QT; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:53:34 -0400 Received: from geopriv by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IfcwH-000537-P8 for geopriv-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:53:33 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfcwH-00052z-FN for geopriv@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:53:33 -0400 Received: from smtp3.andrew.com ([198.135.207.235] helo=andrew.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfcwB-0004Pp-8q for geopriv@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:53:33 -0400 X-SEF-Processed: 5_0_0_910__2007_10_10_10_03_16 X-SEF-16EBA1E9-99E8-4E1D-A1CA-4971F5510AF: 1 Received: from aopexbh1.andrew.com [10.86.20.24] by smtp3.andrew.com - SurfControl E-mail Filter (5.2.1); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:03:15 -0500 Received: from AOPEX4.andrew.com ([10.86.20.22]) by aopexbh1.andrew.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:53:20 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:53:16 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <470CE0F1.2040807@bbn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter Thread-Index: AcgLSeQzNNQE7tQFSB6J8dDPeNNGwwAAmSTg References: <7582BC68E4994F4ABF0BD4723975C3FA05E34F3C@crexc41p><470B7DEC.60704@bbn.com> <7582BC68E4994F4ABF0BD4723975C3FA05E34FA8@crexc41p> <470CE0F1.2040807@bbn.com> From: "Dawson, Martin" To: "Matt Lepinski" , "Winterbottom, James" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2007 14:53:20.0479 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C8D86F0:01C80B4D] X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: c83ccb5cc10e751496398f1233ca9c3a Cc: geopriv@ietf.org X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org I tend to agree Matt. Certainly the location in a mobile network is=0D=0Are= ally only valid instantaneously - so the application needs to judge=0D=0Awh= ether the value is too old to be trusted. And even for a fixed network=0D=0A= attachment, the network can't anticipate whether or not the device is=0D=0A= going to immediately detach and move a considerable distance as soon as=0D=0A= the location is provided.=0D=0A=0D=0AI think the goal is really to give the= recipient of the location=0D=0Ainformation - and this could be the device = itself - an indication of the=0D=0Anature of the point of attachment. Contr= asting a residential DSL=0D=0Aconnection with a mobile WiMAX connection, th= e location associated with=0D=0Athe former effectively never changes while = for the latter it can change=0D=0Amoment to moment. It's useful for the app= lication to know this as it=0D=0Aprovides anecdotal information that is use= ful in deciding when or=0D=0Awhether to request an update to location - amo= ngst other things.=0D=0A=0D=0AI do wonder whether a nature-of-network indic= ator which simply said=0D=0A"fixed" or "mobile" would not be sufficient.=0D= =0A=0D=0ACheers,=0D=0AMartin=0D=0A=0D=0A-----Original Message-----=0D=0AFro= m: Matt Lepinski [mailto:mlepinski@bbn.com]=20=0D=0ASent: Thursday, 11 Octo= ber 2007 12:26 AM=0D=0ATo: Winterbottom, James=0D=0ACc: geopriv@ietf.org=0D= =0ASubject: Re: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter=0D=0A=0D=0AJames,=0D=0A=0D= =0AI agree that the retention-expires parameter doesn't really have the=20=0D= =0Asemantics that Barbara indicated.=0D=0A=0D=0AHowever, what is not clear = to me is how the access network knows at the=20=0D=0Atime of the HELD reque= st, how long the returned location is valid. In=20=0D=0Amany scenarios this= would depend on how much the device is going to be=20=0D=0Amoving, and I d= on't see device movement as being very predictable by the=0D=0A=0D=0Aaccess= network.=0D=0A=0D=0AThis is a general issue with location-by-value. In man= y scenarios=20=0D=0Aneither the device nor the access network is in a posit= ion to predict=20=0D=0Ahow long a location returned by HELD will be valid.=0D= =0A=0D=0A- Matt Lepinski :->=0D=0A=0D=0AWinterbottom, James wrote:=0D=0A=0D= =0A>This isn't really the aim of retention-expires parameter.=0D=0A>retenti= on-expires indicates the point in time after which a recipient=0D=0Ais=0D=0A= >no longer permitted to hold the location object, it does not provide=0D=0A= any=0D=0A>indicator as to whether the Target is still at the location or no= t. I=0D=0A>don't think that over-loading its value to indicate that the Tar= get=0D=0A>should re-acquire its location is a good idea.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>I thi= nk we either need a separate indicator in the PIDF-LO, or a=0D=0A>parameter= in the HELD locationResponse message.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Cheers=0D=0A>James=20=0D= =0A>=0D=0A> =20=0D=0A>=0D=0A>>-----Original Message-----=0D=0A>>From: Stark= , Barbara [mailto:bs7652@att.com]=0D=0A>>Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 11:3= 9 PM=0D=0A>>To: Richard Barnes=0D=0A>>Cc: geopriv@ietf.org=0D=0A>>Subject: = RE: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>Thanks. I'd overlooke= d that parameter in the PIDF-LO. You're right --=0D=0A>>that PIDF-LO parame= ter can meet this need.=0D=0A>>Barbara=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>-----Original Message= -----=0D=0A>>From: Richard Barnes [mailto:rbarnes@bbn.com]=0D=0A>>Sent: Tue= sday, October 09, 2007 9:11 AM=0D=0A>>To: Stark, Barbara=0D=0A>>Cc: geopriv= @ietf.org=0D=0A>>Subject: Re: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter=0D=0A>>=0D= =0A>>That seems reasonable, but it might overlap/conflict with the=0D=0A>>"= retention-expires" rule in the returned PIDF-LO. Slightly different=0D=0A>= >semantics, but I think the effect is the same.=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>--Richard=0D= =0A>>=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>Stark, Barbara wrote:=0D=0A>> =20=0D=0A>>=0D= =0A>>>Right now, expires is defined only for use with a returned location=0D= =0A>>>reference. I was wondering if there might be value in also allowing=0D= =0A>>> =20=0D=0A>>>=0D=0A>it=0D=0A> =20=0D=0A>=0D=0A>>>to be returned w= ith a value. The meaning would be that the device=0D=0A>>> =20=0D=0A>>>=0D= =0A>>needs=0D=0A>> =20=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>>to do another query to update its = location, before 'expires'.=0D=0A>>>=0D=0A>>>In phonebcp-02, there's a reco= mmendation that devices which don't=0D=0A>>> =20=0D=0A>>>=0D=0A>>expect=0D= =0A>> =20=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>>to roam should refresh location daily, and thos= e that can be=0D=0A>>> =20=0D=0A>>>=0D=0A>expected=0D=0A> =20=0D=0A>=0D= =0A>>to=0D=0A>> =20=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>>roam should refresh more frequently. = The problem is that many=0D=0A>>> =20=0D=0A>>>=0D=0A>devices=0D=0A> =0D= =0A>=0D=0A>>>don't know that they're part of a roaming network. But the acc= ess=0D=0A>>>network often does know. So, if we use 'expires' with location=0D= =0A>>> =20=0D=0A>>>=0D=0A>>values,=0D=0A>> =20=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>>the ac= cess network could let the device know that more frequent=0D=0A>>>refreshes= are appropriate.=0D=0A>>>=0D=0A>>>Just a thought.=0D=0A>>>Barbara=0D=0A>>>=0D= =0A>>>*****=0D=0A>>>=0D=0A>>>The information transmitted is intended only f= or the person or=0D=0A>>> =20=0D=0A>>>=0D=0A>entity=0D=0A> =20=0D=0A>=0D= =0A>>to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary,=0D= =0A>>and/or privileged material. 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Any unauthoriz= ed use of=0D=0Athis email is prohibited.=0D=0A-----------------------------= -------------------------------------------------------------------=0D=0A[m= f2]=0D=0A _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 10 11:52:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfdrD-00073O-Rn; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:52:23 -0400 Received: from geopriv by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IfdrD-0006zk-9S for geopriv-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:52:23 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfdrC-0006zQ-SL for geopriv@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:52:22 -0400 Received: from aismt06p.bellsouth.com ([139.76.165.211]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfdrC-0000gp-47 for geopriv@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:52:22 -0400 Received: from ([139.76.131.31]) by aismt06p.bellsouth.com with ESMTP id KP-AXPRN.31170340; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:52:07 -0400 Received: from 01NC27689010626.AD.BLS.COM ([90.144.44.201]) by 01GAF5142010625.AD.BLS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:52:07 -0400 Received: from 01NC27689010641.AD.BLS.COM ([90.144.44.103]) by 01NC27689010626.AD.BLS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:52:06 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2929 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:52:05 -0400 Message-ID: <7582BC68E4994F4ABF0BD4723975C3FA05FFC11B@crexc41p> In-Reply-To: <470CE0F1.2040807@bbn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter thread-index: AcgLSbaYywaxWBrXSV28QwgDTW1TLQACgq7w References: <7582BC68E4994F4ABF0BD4723975C3FA05E34F3C@crexc41p><470B7DEC.60704@bbn.com> <7582BC68E4994F4ABF0BD4723975C3FA05E34FA8@crexc41p> <470CE0F1.2040807@bbn.com> From: "Stark, Barbara" To: "Matt Lepinski" , "Winterbottom, James" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2007 15:52:06.0864 (UTC) FILETIME=[82712D00:01C80B55] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2a9ffb6f997442a3b543bcdaf483b990 Cc: geopriv@ietf.org X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org The access network knows whether the access network technology is fixed (twisted pair, coax, fiber) or not (like WiMAX or metro mesh Wi-Fi). For fixed, the 24 hour default is perfectly reasonable. For RF, it may not be, because devices may move around. The end device may be behind a bridge device or router that connects to the access network, in which case it wouldn't know the nature of the access network. Right now, phonebcp suggests 24 hours, unless the device has reason to believe it may be mobile. If the device doesn't know the nature of the access network, then it will probably just use 24 hours. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Matt Lepinski [mailto:mlepinski@bbn.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:26 AM To: Winterbottom, James Cc: Stark, Barbara; Richard Barnes; geopriv@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter James, I agree that the retention-expires parameter doesn't really have the=20 semantics that Barbara indicated. However, what is not clear to me is how the access network knows at the=20 time of the HELD request, how long the returned location is valid. In=20 many scenarios this would depend on how much the device is going to be=20 moving, and I don't see device movement as being very predictable by the access network. This is a general issue with location-by-value. In many scenarios=20 neither the device nor the access network is in a position to predict=20 how long a location returned by HELD will be valid. - Matt Lepinski :-> Winterbottom, James wrote: >This isn't really the aim of retention-expires parameter. >retention-expires indicates the point in time after which a recipient is >no longer permitted to hold the location object, it does not provide any >indicator as to whether the Target is still at the location or not. I >don't think that over-loading its value to indicate that the Target >should re-acquire its location is a good idea. > >I think we either need a separate indicator in the PIDF-LO, or a >parameter in the HELD locationResponse message. > >Cheers >James=20 > > =20 > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Stark, Barbara [mailto:bs7652@att.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 11:39 PM >>To: Richard Barnes >>Cc: geopriv@ietf.org >>Subject: RE: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter >> >>Thanks. I'd overlooked that parameter in the PIDF-LO. You're right -- >>that PIDF-LO parameter can meet this need. >>Barbara >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Richard Barnes [mailto:rbarnes@bbn.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:11 AM >>To: Stark, Barbara >>Cc: geopriv@ietf.org >>Subject: Re: [Geopriv] HELD 'expires' parameter >> >>That seems reasonable, but it might overlap/conflict with the >>"retention-expires" rule in the returned PIDF-LO. Slightly different >>semantics, but I think the effect is the same. >> >>--Richard >> >> >> >>Stark, Barbara wrote: >> =20 >> >>>Right now, expires is defined only for use with a returned location >>>reference. I was wondering if there might be value in also allowing >>> =20 >>> >it > =20 > >>>to be returned with a value. The meaning would be that the device >>> =20 >>> >>needs >> =20 >> >>>to do another query to update its location, before 'expires'. >>> >>>In phonebcp-02, there's a recommendation that devices which don't >>> =20 >>> >>expect >> =20 >> >>>to roam should refresh location daily, and those that can be >>> =20 >>> >expected > =20 > >>to >> =20 >> >>>roam should refresh more frequently. The problem is that many >>> =20 >>> >devices > =20 > >>>don't know that they're part of a roaming network. But the access >>>network often does know. 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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C80BF6.03593F20-- From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 11 12:38:47 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig13F-0006Uy-8U; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:38:21 -0400 Received: from geopriv by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig13E-0006Ur-1B for geopriv-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:38:20 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig13D-0006Uj-Mr for geopriv@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:38:19 -0400 Received: from ns3.neustar.com ([156.154.24.138]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig13D-0005M2-G0 for geopriv@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:38:19 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (stiedprweb1.va.neustar.com [10.91.34.42]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F56B175A5; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:38:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mirror by ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig137-0002xP-KT; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:38:13 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: rmarshall@telecomsys.com From: IETF I-D Submission Tool Message-Id: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:38:13 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: geopriv@ietf.org Subject: [Geopriv] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-geopriv-lbyr-requirements-01 X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-geopriv-lbyr-requirements-01.txt has been successfuly submitted by Roger Marshall and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-ietf-geopriv-lbyr-requirements Revision: 01 Title: Requirements for a Location-by-Reference Mechanism Creation_date: 2007-10-11 WG ID: geopriv Number_of_pages: 15 Abstract: This document defines terminology and provides requirements relating to Location-by-Reference approach to handling location information within signaling and other Internet messaging. The IETF Secretariat. _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 11 12:40:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig15O-0007Em-Md; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:40:34 -0400 Received: from geopriv by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig15N-0007EV-Tq for geopriv-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:40:33 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig15N-0007Bb-Fm; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:40:33 -0400 Received: from ns0.neustar.com ([156.154.16.158]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig15L-000244-Tz; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:40:33 -0400 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns0.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCAFA32893; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:40:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig14r-0002QL-QA; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:40:01 -0400 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:40:01 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b280b4db656c3ca28dd62e5e0b03daa8 Cc: geopriv@ietf.org Subject: [Geopriv] I-D Action:draft-ietf-geopriv-lbyr-requirements-01.txt X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe:

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