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Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:59 PM

Subject: for Portia

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Subject: Re: Finishing Off IDWG In-Reply-To: <20060207040043.GA6439@cs.hmc.edu> Message-ID: References: <20060207040043.GA6439@cs.hmc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="279708161-2023122022-1141307585=:30044" Content-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on trinetra.ncb.ernet.in X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=3.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on trinetra.ncb.ernet.in X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 C:98.7678 ) X-pstn-settings: 3 (1.0000:1.0000) s gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from [db-null] Sender: owner-idwg-l@hmc.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d890c9ddd0b0a61e8c597ad30c1c2176 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --279708161-2023122022-1141307585=:30044 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-ID: Dear Mike, I am sorry, I had drafted this mail earlier but could not send it due to XYZ reasons.... Anyway, let me be brief and to the point. We are a security group working on IDS and other issues. We have primarily used IDMEF and our sensors and servers communicate using the protocol. As far as the importance and usability of standardisation goes, we feel IDMEF has gone a long way in describing and framing the requirements. However efforts can be carried out on enabling this to become a standard (realisig the importance of a standard). Already there have been mails regarding use of Snort-IDMEF module (which I have personally used as part of correlation activities) and Prelude IDS are some of the major open source IDS beig in use. I feel there has been some less discussions on how interoperability part of the IDMEF capable IDS haven's been thoroughly investigated. Also as part of our work, we have suggested some modifications earlier to IDMEF which we couldnt get any response. That mail was sent by our group member Srinivas G. The mail is attache with this mail. This is our view based on our experience and requirements of a standardised protocol, which we feel is very much essential and very well look forward to let it proceed as an experimental RFC. Regards, Mayank Bhatnagar mayank@ncb.ernet.in 68 Electronics City , CDAC (Formerly NCST), Bangalore-560100. Ph: 080-2852 3300/2852 0239-1200 Fax: 080-2852 2590 __________________________________________________________________________ On Mon, 6 Feb 2006, Mike Erlinger wrote: > > Hi Everyone > > IDWG was on my list of things to do after the New Year. Sam Hartman, > the Security Area Director beat me to it. Basically, the IDWG Working > Group has been idle for over a year; IDMEF is still an Internet Draft; > the IESG has issues with the use of both DTD and Schemas in IDMEF. > > Herve Debar, the primary author of IDMEF, is willing to make changes > recommended by the IESG. He has sent out email to the list asking > for information about the use of IDMEF and whether a DTD or Schema > is the better choice. He will use the responses to drive a new > document. Once we have a new document, Sam will assist > us in getting IDMEF published as an Experimental RFC. This would > finish the IDWG Working Group efforts and the Working Group would > be closed. > > So, very soon Herve will post a new Internet Draft to the mailing > list. I will then post the ID to the ID database. Once this is > done, I would ask people to read the document and post any typo > issues (since IDMEF passed a Working Group last call and was > forwarded to the AD and IESG, we are past making serious > modifications to the IDMEF, except as directed by the IESG). > > Once the Working Group is happy with the document, I would ask > that it be published as an Experimental RFC. > > mike > > -- > Mike Erlinger, Professor and Chair Computer Science > www: http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~mike > email: mike@cs.hmc.edu > smail: Computer Science Dept., Harvey Mudd College, > 301 E. 12th Street, Claremont, CA, 91711 > 909-621-8912, FAX: 909-607-8364 > "As for the future, your task is not to foresee, but to enable it" > --279708161-2023122022-1141307585=:30044 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII; NAME=idmef-srini Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: ATTACHMENT; FILENAME=idmef-srini DQpEYXRlOiBUdWUsIDI1IEphbiAyMDA1IDIwOjU3OjA3ICswNTMwIChJU1Qp 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k2SClMVJ001345 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:47:22 -0800 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail2.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.7/Submit) id k2SClLwU001344 for idwg-l-out; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:47:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: mail2.ac.hmc.edu: majordomo set sender to owner-idwg-l@mail2.ac.hmc.edu using -f Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx80.postini.com [64.18.2.82]) by mail2.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id k2SClFVJ001330 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:47:16 -0800 Received: from source ([213.191.85.38]) by exprod7mx80.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:47:15 PST Received: from [193.134.216.2] (account hatman@postmail.ch HELO jwg-lt032) by data.daybyday.de (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b2) with ESMTP-TLS id 152796255; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:47:13 +0200 Subject: Re: [internet-drafts-reply@ietf.org: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-idwg-idmef-xml-16.txt] - Analyzer path tracking From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?jo=EBl?= Winteregg To: mike@cs.hmc.edu Cc: intrusion detection wg In-Reply-To: <20060323021024.GA2608@cs.hmc.edu> References: <20060323021024.GA2608@cs.hmc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:47:10 +0200 Message-Id: <1143550031.3305.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 C:98.7678 ) X-pstn-settings: 3 (1.0000:1.0000) s gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from [db-null] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail2.ac.hmc.edu id k2SClLVJ001342 Sender: owner-idwg-l@hmc.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mail2.ac.hmc.edu id k2SClMVJ001345 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21bf7a2f1643ae0bf20c1e010766eb78 Hi, I'm writing you because i'm not sure to understand very well a part of the new draft (analyzer path tracking). I have been looking the draft 12 and i found out that path tracking was available using multiple Analyzer attribute in the Analyzer class (as shown below), even if the the section 4.2.4.1 was saying: "The Analyzer class identifies the analyzer from which the alert or heartbeat message originates. Only one analyzer may be encoded for each alert or heartbeat, and that MUST be the analyzer at which the alert or heartbeat originated. Although the IDMEF data model does not prevent the use of hierarchical intrusion detection systems (where alerts get relayed up the tree), it does not provide any way to record the identity of the "relay" analyzers along the path from the originating analyzer to the manager that ultimately receives the alert". relay 10818 /usr/bin/relay localhost

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snort 13386 /usr/bin/snort The draft 12 was saying: Analyzer Zero or one. Information about the analyzer from which the message may have gone through. The idea behind this mechanism is that when a manager receives an alert and want to forward it to another manalyzer, it needs to substitute the original analyzer information with its own. To preserve the original analyzer information, it may be included in the new analyzer definition. This will allow analyzer path tracking. The 2 last sentences seems to be very important because they really explain how/where will be stored the original analyzer description (the new Analyzer include the other one and not the opposit).=20 In the new draft (16), i don't really understand the same thing... It's possible that is coming from my bad english understanding :-( so sorry if it's the case... Analyzer Zero or one. Information about the analyzer from which the message may have gone through. The idea behind this mechanism is that when a manager receives an alert and want to forward it to another manalyzer, it needs to substitute the original analyzer. Does the forwarding analyzer really substitue its information in the Analyzer attribute of the Analyzer class ? it shouldn't be the Analyzer class itself ? Hope my question is understandable ... Regards and thanks for your help, Jo=EBl.W Le mercredi 22 mars 2006 =E0 18:10 -0800, Mike Erlinger a =E9crit : > fyi >=20 > mike >=20 > pi=E8ce jointe message de courriel > > -------- Message transf=E9r=E9 -------- > > Sujet: No Subject > > Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:23:53 +0100 > >=20 > > >From mike Wed Mar 22 15:50:13 2006 > > Return-Path: > > X-Original-To: mike@cs.hmc.edu > > Delivered-To: mike@cs.hmc.edu > > Received: from mail2.ac.hmc.edu (Mail.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.22]) > > by turing.cs.hmc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4217253201 > > for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:50:08 -0800 (PST) > > Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx69.postini.com [64.18.2.71]) > > by mail2.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id k2MNo7VJ000518 > > for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:50:07 -0800 > > Received: from source ([209.173.53.84]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7mx69.= postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; > > Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:50:07 PST > > Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [= 10.31.47.10]) > > by willow.neustar.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k2MNo29W024929 > > (version=3DTLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=3DDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=3D256 verify= =3DNO); 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Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:13:59 +0200 Subject: Re: [internet-drafts-reply@ietf.org: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-idwg-idmef-xml-16.txt] - Analyzer path tracking From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?jo=EBl?= Winteregg To: mike@cs.hmc.edu Cc: intrusion detection wg In-Reply-To: <1143550031.3305.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060323021024.GA2608@cs.hmc.edu> <1143550031.3305.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:13:58 +0200 Message-Id: <1143551639.3305.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 C:98.7678 ) X-pstn-settings: 3 (1.0000:1.0000) s gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from [db-null] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail2.ac.hmc.edu id k2SDE2VJ003294 Sender: owner-idwg-l@hmc.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mail2.ac.hmc.edu id k2SDE2VJ003299 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 612a16ba5c5f570bfc42b3ac5606ac53 Hi, it's me again... Sorry to spam a bit ;-) I just did a Huge mistake in my last mail. I didn't read the end of the Analyzer attribute defintion of the new draft (soooory), which say: Analyzer Zero or one. Information about the analyzer from which the message may have gone through. The idea behind this mechanism is that when a manager receives an alert and want to forward it to another manalyzer, it needs to substitute the original analyzer information with its own. To preserve the original analyzer information, it may be included in the new analyzer definition. This will allow analyzer path tracking. Now everything is clear cause the Analyzer class as said by the draft: "[..] identifies the analyzer from which the alert or heartbeat message originates[..]" So the Analyzer attribute of the Analyzer class will save the path... I get it :-) As an excuse, i can just mention that there is a little mistake in how you wrote "analyzer" in the Analyzer description section ;-). It's written "manalyzer". I still don't really understand why the draft say that path tracking isn't available in the Analyzer class description ? Even so the fact that analyzer attribute allow it...: "The Analyzer class identifies the analyzer from which the alert or heartbeat message originates. Only one analyzer may be encoded for each alert or heartbeat, and that MUST be the analyzer at which the alert or heartbeat originated. Although the IDMEF data model does not prevent the use of hierarchical intrusion detection systems (where alerts get relayed up the tree), it does not provide any way to record the identity of the "relay" analyzers along the path from the originating analyzer to the manager that ultimately receives the alert." Sorry for my mistake and thanks for your help, Jo=EBl.W Le mardi 28 mars 2006 =E0 14:47 +0200, jo=EBl Winteregg a =E9crit : > Hi, >=20 > I'm writing you because i'm not sure to understand very well a part of > the new draft (analyzer path tracking). I have been looking the draft 1= 2 > and i found out that path tracking was available using multiple Analyze= r > attribute in the Analyzer class (as shown below), even if the the > section 4.2.4.1 was saying: > "The Analyzer class identifies the analyzer from which the alert or > heartbeat message originates. Only one analyzer may be encoded for eac= h > alert or heartbeat, and that MUST be the analyzer at which the alert or > heartbeat originated. Although the IDMEF data model does not prevent > the use of hierarchical intrusion detection systems (where alerts get > relayed up the tree), it does not provide any way to record the identit= y > of the "relay" analyzers along the path from the originating analyzer t= o > the manager that ultimately receives the alert". >=20 >=20 > ostype=3D"Linux" osversion=3D"Debian"> > > relay > 10818 > /usr/bin/relay > > > > localhost >

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> > > snort > 13386 > /usr/bin/snort > > > >=20 > The draft 12 was saying: > Analyzer > Zero or one. Information about the analyzer from which the > message may have gone through. The idea behind this mechanism is > that when a manager receives an alert and want to forward it to > another manalyzer, it needs to substitute the original analyzer > information with its own. To preserve the original analyzer > information, it may be included in the new analyzer definition. > This will allow analyzer path tracking. >=20 > The 2 last sentences seems to be very important because they really > explain how/where will be stored the original analyzer description (the > new Analyzer include the other one and not the opposit).=20 >=20 > In the new draft (16), i don't really understand the same thing... It's > possible that is coming from my bad english understanding :-( so sorry > if it's the case... >=20 > Analyzer >=20 > Zero or one. Information about the analyzer from which the > message may have gone through. The idea behind this mechanism is > that when a manager receives an alert and want to forward it to > another manalyzer, it needs to substitute the original analyzer. >=20 >=20 > Does the forwarding analyzer really substitue its information in the > Analyzer attribute of the Analyzer class ? it shouldn't be the Analyzer > class itself ? >=20 > Hope my question is understandable ... >=20 > Regards and thanks for your help, >=20 >=20 > Jo=EBl.W >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Le mercredi 22 mars 2006 =E0 18:10 -0800, Mike Erlinger a =E9crit : > > fyi > >=20 > > mike > >=20 > > pi=E8ce jointe message de courriel > > > -------- Message transf=E9r=E9 -------- > > > Sujet: No Subject > > > Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:23:53 +0100 > > >=20 > > > >From mike Wed Mar 22 15:50:13 2006 > > > Return-Path: > > > X-Original-To: mike@cs.hmc.edu > > > Delivered-To: mike@cs.hmc.edu > > > Received: from mail2.ac.hmc.edu (Mail.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.22]) > > > by turing.cs.hmc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4217253201 > > > for ; 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