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From ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org Fri Aug 03 18:20:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IH5Va-0003wM-AX for ietf-dkim-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:20:34 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com ([208.184.79.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IH5VY-0003lZ-QE for ietf-dkim-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:20:34 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com (sb7.songbird.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l73MHlK6017378; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:17:55 -0700 Received: from mx.agitos.de (mx.agitos.de [81.92.164.75]) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l73MHiKE017375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:17:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 10250 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2007 22:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO agiroot) (sager@agitos.de@84.153.43.58) by mx.agitos.de with ESMTPA; 3 Aug 2007 22:17:54 -0000 Message-ID: <004301c7d61c$21682450$1600a8c0@agiroot> From: "Florian Sager" To: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 00:17:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Subject: [ietf-dkim] user-based keys / another protocol X-BeenThere: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DKIM Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1057648325==" Sender: ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org Errors-To: ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 37af5f8fbf6f013c5b771388e24b09e7 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1057648325== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C7D62C.E4AE1EF0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C7D62C.E4AE1EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In June 2006 Eric Allman wrote: >From eric+dkim at sendmail.org Thu Jun 1 07:36:07 2006 >Date: Thu Jun 1 07:36:57 2006 >Subject: [ietf-dkim] base-03: Key lookup parameters > >The point of passing i=3D is to allow extension in the future to=20 >possible per-user keying. You wouldn't do this in DNS, but another=20 >protocol should be able to handle it easily. >eric In the last days I was thinking about an easy way to deploy multiple = selectors/public keys (e.g. for per-user keying) to different DNS = servers in an environment of a mailserver with multiple virtual mail = domains: a typical webhosting scenario with DNS-zones at different = providers. At the point of view of an administrator it seems to be best that public = keys have to be provided directly by the authorities signing outgoing = mail (reason: cost efficiency). I outlined s.th. at = http://dkim-connector.agitos.de/trac/wiki/DeploymentVersionTwo to = support this idea. I'm sure this kind of deployment was already = considered earlier - is there any information available about that? Looking for "another protocol" Eric mentioned in the email above I = couldn't find any more hints in the mailing list archives. Is there something in progress? Best regards, Florian ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C7D62C.E4AE1EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In June 2006 Eric Allman wrote:

>From eric+dkim at sendmail.org Thu Jun 1 07:36:07 = 2006
>Date: Thu=20 Jun 1 07:36:57 2006
>Subject: [ietf-dkim] base-03: Key lookup=20 parameters
>

>The point of passing i=3D is to allow extension in the future = to=20
>possible per-user keying. You wouldn't do this in DNS, but = another=20
>protocol should be able to handle it easily.
>eric

In the last days I was thinking about an easy way to deploy = multiple=20 selectors/public keys (e.g. for per-user keying) to different DNS = servers in an=20 environment of a mailserver with multiple virtual mail domains: a = typical=20 webhosting scenario with DNS-zones at different providers.

At the point of view of an administrator it seems to be best that = public=20 keys have to be provided directly by the authorities signing outgoing = mail=20 (reason: cost efficiency).

I outlined s.th. at h= ttp://dkim-connector.agitos.de/trac/wiki/DeploymentVersionTwo to= =20 support this idea. I'm sure this kind of deployment was already = considered=20 earlier - is there any information available about that?

Looking for "another protocol" Eric mentioned in the email above I = couldn't=20 find any more hints in the mailing list archives.

Is there something in progress?

Best regards,

Florian

------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C7D62C.E4AE1EF0-- --===============1057648325== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html --===============1057648325==-- From ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org Fri Aug 03 19:29:22 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IH6aA-0003Hi-60 for ietf-dkim-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:29:22 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com ([208.184.79.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IH6a8-0004iX-DZ for ietf-dkim-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:29:21 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com (sb7.songbird.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l73NSVMK025440; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:28:31 -0700 Received: from harry.mail-abuse.org (Harry.Mail-Abuse.ORG [168.61.5.27]) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l73NSTBR025437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:28:29 -0700 Received: from [168.61.10.150] (SJC-Office-DHCP-150.Mail-Abuse.ORG [168.61.10.150]) by harry.mail-abuse.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB77D4146B; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:28:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <004301c7d61c$21682450$1600a8c0@agiroot> References: <004301c7d61c$21682450$1600a8c0@agiroot> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1C3F9F49-CA88-4368-BC77-67B520439BD5@mail-abuse.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Douglas Otis Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] user-based keys / another protocol Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:28:39 -0700 To: Florian Sager X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org X-BeenThere: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DKIM Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org Errors-To: ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 On Aug 3, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Florian Sager wrote: > In June 2006 Eric Allman wrote: > >> From eric+dkim at sendmail.org Thu Jun 1 07:36:07 2006 >> Date: Thu Jun 1 07:36:57 2006 >> Subject: [ietf-dkim] base-03: Key lookup parameters >> >> The point of passing i= is to allow extension in the future to >> possible per-user keying. You wouldn't do this in DNS, but another >> protocol should be able to handle it easily. >> eric > > In the last days I was thinking about an easy way to deploy > multiple selectors/public keys (e.g. for per-user keying) to > different DNS servers in an environment of a mailserver with > multiple virtual mail domains: a typical webhosting scenario with > DNS-zones at different providers. > > At the point of view of an administrator it seems to be best that > public keys have to be provided directly by the authorities signing > outgoing mail (reason: cost efficiency). > I outlined s.th. at http://dkim-connector.agitos.de/trac/wiki/ > DeploymentVersionTwo to support this idea. I'm sure this kind of > deployment was already considered earlier - is there any > information available about that? Per user keys would be a bad idea. Consider how TPA-SSP can replace key distribution: http://www1.tools.ietf.org/wg/dkim/draft-otis-dkim-tpa-ssp-01.txt Rather than distributing keys, the mail-server is authorized in a simple and scalable fashion instead. This better protects DKIM from a calamity when a private key becomes compromised at a highly shared MTA. Using TPA-SSP, the resulting security warning would be limited to a single domain. When distributing keys are employed, a single compromised server might then impact thousands of domains. A compromised server is not that uncommon. Reporting thousands of domains have been compromised when a single server has been compromised key will result in a much greater loss of confidence. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-8-15151110.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dkim-ssp-requirements-05.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-dkim-ssp-requirements-05.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-8-15151110.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html --NextPart-- From ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org Wed Aug 15 16:30:36 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILPVk-00069U-Ra for ietf-dkim-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:30:36 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com ([208.184.79.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILPVk-0000fM-Aj for ietf-dkim-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:30:36 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com (sb7.songbird.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7FKRKf0002690; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:27:20 -0700 Received: from [192.168.3.200] (gateway.gilbert.onramp.ca [198.163.180.242]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7FKRD5R002665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:27:17 -0700 Message-ID: <46C361B3.7070208@dcrocker.net> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:27:31 -0400 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Thomas Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dkim-ssp-requirements-05.txt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org X-BeenThere: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF DKIM Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org Errors-To: ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Michael, What has changed? d/ Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Domain Keys Identified Mail Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Requirements for a DKIM Signing Practices Protocol > Author(s) : M. Thomas > Filename : draft-ietf-dkim-ssp-requirements-05.txt > Pages : 24 > Date : 2007-8-15 -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html From ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org Thu Aug 16 20:10:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILpPe-0005x8-Hr for ietf-dkim-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:10:02 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com ([208.184.79.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILpPd-0000SQ-3M for ietf-dkim-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:10:02 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com (sb7.songbird.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7H069jj029544; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:06:12 -0700 Received: from [10.253.242.168] (m010f36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.15.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7H057Ej029216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:05:08 -0700 Message-ID: <46C49D39.50308@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:53:45 -0400 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DKIM IETF WG X-Priority: 2 (High) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [ietf-dkim] DKIM 1st Interoperability Event -- 24-25 Oct 2007, Dallas X-BeenThere: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF DKIM Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org Errors-To: ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 Folks, The first DKIM Interoperability Testing Event is now officially set for: Wednesday, 24 Oct 2007 - 1:30-7:00 pm and Thursday, 25 Oct 2007 - 8:30-4:30pm at the Dallas Alt-N offices, quite near the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport. If you have not yet declared your interest to participant, but wish to, please let me know. Equally important is joining the event mailing list at interop@dkim.org. To subscribe, go to: The list archive already contains assorted, exciting postings about event logistics, and the like. Remote participation will be permitted, but physical presence is strongly encouraged. Note that it will be possible for a participant to be at the site, but use their remote facilities for the testing -- particularly handy for service providers with their own implementations. To be specific: the purpose of the event is to do direct interoperability testing. The details of the testing are being developed by those intending to participate, using the event mailing list, beforehand. Typical Internet protocol interoperability events are for conducting engineering testing, rather than as a milestone formality such as "certification". It will also have only a small amount of joint marketing. Participants are specifically prohibited from using the results to suggest one vendor's superiority over another. What happens at an interop stays at an interop... The schedule is designed to permit participants from North America to be away from home for only one night, traveling the morning of the first day and returning the evening of the second. Ten organizations have already indicated their intent to participate. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html From ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org Fri Aug 17 11:40:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IM3wB-0007G5-0N for ietf-dkim-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:40:35 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com ([208.184.79.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IM3w9-0008N6-It for ietf-dkim-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:40:34 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com (sb7.songbird.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7HFbMc4018825; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:37:31 -0700 Received: from [10.253.242.168] (m010f36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.15.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7H05DLW029235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:05:14 -0700 Message-ID: <46C4A2BA.60403@bbiw.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:17:14 -0400 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:37:21 -0700 Subject: [ietf-dkim] Survey: Reputation string, to use from DKIM X-BeenThere: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DKIM Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org Errors-To: ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org X-Spam-Score: 4.1 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Folks, I've had a brief exchange, with a few folks recently, that suggests quite a bit of ambiguity about the DKIM-related information to be used for assessing reputation/accreditation. Simply put: When you validate a DKIM signature, what information do you (intend to) use for querying your reputation/accreditation data bases? So I'd like to ask folks to privately send me their own views on what string or strings are intended to be used. I am asking for private replies only to me so that each response is essentially free of influence from others. I will then summarize the results and we can start enjoying a bit of discussion about them. To be clear: Of course a site making reputation assessments can and will use whatever they wish. So the issue is not restricting their freedom. Rather, the question is about DKIM's precise (standardized) semantics. Note that DKIM -base declares that the purpose of DKIM is to "permit a signing domain to assert responsibility for a message". So the purpose of this survey is to ask what string you believe is intended to represent that responsibility? Thanks. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html From ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org Fri Aug 17 12:43:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IM4v3-0001I8-7b for ietf-dkim-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:43:29 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com ([208.184.79.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IM4v1-0002Eh-Uh for ietf-dkim-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:43:29 -0400 Received: from mail.songbird.com (sb7.songbird.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7HGe0vL000433; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:40:09 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ppp-67-124-91-165.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.124.91.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7HGRHiN030124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:27:18 -0700 Message-ID: <46C5CC75.1060703@bbiw.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:27:33 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; References: <46C4A2BA.60403@bbiw.net> In-Reply-To: <46C4A2BA.60403@bbiw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:39:58 -0700 Subject: [ietf-dkim] Re: Survey: Reputation string, to use from DKIM X-BeenThere: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DKIM Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org Errors-To: ietf-dkim-bounces@mipassoc.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Dave Crocker wrote: > Simply put: > > When you validate a DKIM signature, what information do you > (intend to) use for querying your reputation/accreditation > data bases? Folks, I appreciate the responses I'm getting. Unfortunately I was not clear enough about what I am asking for. Most folks seem to be a bit confused. So let me clarify: I am looking for you to tell me exactly what DKIM field(s) you would use. Please cite using a single letter and an equal sign. That is, the parameter value(s) as specified in the DKIM -base documentn(RFC 4871). It's ok if you haven't implemented anything yet. I'm asking about your reading and understanding of the specification document, not your software engineering work. There are no wrong answers. I am trying to understand the variations of interpretations. I already know the variations are significant. That is what prompted my sending out this query. So the goal is to find out as much as possible about them. Which fields do folks think they should/would use? Do any specific fields dominate the community's understanding? Please note that this does not involve correlating the information with any other RFC2822 or RFC2821 fields. That is a higher-level function that occurs beyond the task of basic signature validation. So your response to the current query would be the information that you might feed into this later correlation. The scope of information from which you should draw is strictly about DKIM-specific parameters in the DKIM-Signature field of a message and the DKIM TXT RR in the DNS. In other words, what is specified in RFC4871. Thanks! d/ ps. 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