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This draft is a work item of the IP Flow Information Export Working Group of the IETF. Title : Reducing Redundancy in IPFIX and PSAMP Reports Author(s) : E. Boschi, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ipfix-reducing-redundancy-03.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2007-3-1 This document describes a bandwidth saving method for exporting flow or packet information using the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) protocol. As the PSAMP protocol is based on IPFIX, these considerations are valid for PSAMP exports as well. This method works by separating information common to several flow records from information specific to an individual flow record. Common flow information is exported only once in a data record defined by an option template, while the rest of the specific flow information is associated with the common information via a unique identifier. 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This draft is a work item of the IP Flow Information Export Working Group of the IETF. Title : Bidirectional Flow Export using IPFIX Author(s) : B. Trammell, E. Boschi Filename : draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow-03.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2007-3-2 This document describes an efficient method for exporting bidirectional flow (Biflow) information using the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) protocol, representing each Biflow using a single Flow Record. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow-03.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-3-2140225.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow-03.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow-03.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-3-2140225.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --NextPart-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 02 18:18:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNH0b-0002IA-HT; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:17:53 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNH0a-0002GV-Bz for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:17:52 -0500 Received: from franclinus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNH0X-0003uX-Ok for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:17:52 -0500 Received: from franclinus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by franclinus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id l22NHgvM028019 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:17:42 -0500 Received: (from defang@localhost) by franclinus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id l22NFqsc027909 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:15:52 -0500 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by franclinus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id l22NFqRo027905; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.237.243.76] (vpn-10-25-4-25.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.25]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l22NFp9g017205; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:15:51 -0500 Message-ID: <45E8AFE9.7080602@cert.org> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:14:49 -0500 From: Brian Trammell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines References: <20070301094211.80b4uhitc0ws44ck@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <20070301094211.80b4uhitc0ws44ck@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.2 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001008 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b2809b6f39decc6de467dcf252f42af1 Cc: Elisa Boschi , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0813786176==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0813786176== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig350AE416ACF7DDC9CB545124" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig350AE416ACF7DDC9CB545124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, all... I have a few comments for the guidelines: 1. In Section 6.3, TCP Transport Specific Guidelines, para 4 states that TCP Collecting Processes SHOULD use the Sequence Number to check for missing IPFIX Messages. Wouldn't any condition that would cause missing messages cause a TCP connection reset? I have no problem with multi-transport implementations doing sequence number checks on TCP because they check sequence numbers regardless of protocol (indeed, due to layering between transport and message decode, our own implementation does precisely this) , but I'm not sure the guidelines should recommend a test that will always succeed.= [In tracking down this issue, I think I've found an editorial error in protocol-24, as well. Para 2 of section 10.4.2.1 IPFIX Message Encoding states: In the case of TCP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the total number of IPFIX Data Records received for the TCP connection, prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32. which is not in parallel with section 3.1's Sequence Number Incremental sequence counter modulo 2^32 of all IPFIX Data Records sent on this PR-SCTP stream from the current Observation Domain by the Exporting Process. (Sequence Numbers are Observation Domain scoped, and the TCP section appears to override this, which I'm pretty sure isn't the intention. Would it be possible to send another RFC Editor comment to correct this point in the protocol document?)] 2. The document is in sections 4.1 and 6.2 not particularly clear about template retransmission and expiration delays, and their configurability. From protocol-24 section 10.3.7, we have a guideline for Collector expiry delay to be set to at least three times Exporter retransmission delay; from protocol-24 10.3.6 and guidelines-02 6.2 we have a recommended retransmission delay of 10 minutes. So, I'd suggest the following: - Change the language in section 4.1 para 2 "If no template becomes available within 30 minutes...) to note that this is the expiry delay, and is configurable. - Change the language in the last paragraph of section 6.2 to recommend a 30 minute expiry time, instead of 60 minutes, in line with the 3x guideline noted above (This is a relatively straightforward change, but has been a point of much discussion for the protocol document) 3. Section 4.6 Time Issues, the first sentence in the second paragraph is a little confusing. The issues with timing as I understand them are: - precision of clock on the MP; - synchronization of clocks among MP, EP, and CP; and - synchronization of all of these to some global reference. The precision of the clock on the EP and its applicability to export time stamping would seem to be practically moot, because very few if any EPs won't have at least a one second resolution real-time clock. So I don't see the issue with EP resolution and export time... (I'd suggest language here but I wanted to make sure my understanding of how timing should be treated by implementors are correct.) Regards, Brian Nevil Brownlee wrote: >=20 > Hi All: >=20 > The 'IPFIX Implementations Guidelines' draft (-02) is now ready > for WG last call, so we'll start that today. It will end on Saturday, > 17 March, just before the Prague IETF meeting. >=20 > Cheers, Nevil >=20 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >=20 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= > This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz= >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --------------enig350AE416ACF7DDC9CB545124 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF6K/t4/8LCZ4pwvYRAp5SAJ4oDWVyQVwaRvXcTgW0D5SIPpDIiwCgk2sw 35XkbP/DyVawFVL9f6YiUZU= =BbdQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig350AE416ACF7DDC9CB545124-- --===============0813786176== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============0813786176==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 02 18:18:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNH0b-0002IA-HT; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:17:53 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNH0a-0002GV-Bz for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:17:52 -0500 Received: from franclinus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNH0X-0003uX-Ok for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:17:52 -0500 Received: from franclinus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by franclinus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id l22NHgvM028019 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:17:42 -0500 Received: (from defang@localhost) by franclinus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id l22NFqsc027909 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:15:52 -0500 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by franclinus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id l22NFqRo027905; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.237.243.76] (vpn-10-25-4-25.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.25]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l22NFp9g017205; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:15:51 -0500 Message-ID: <45E8AFE9.7080602@cert.org> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:14:49 -0500 From: Brian Trammell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines References: <20070301094211.80b4uhitc0ws44ck@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <20070301094211.80b4uhitc0ws44ck@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.2 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001008 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b2809b6f39decc6de467dcf252f42af1 Cc: Elisa Boschi , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0813786176==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0813786176== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig350AE416ACF7DDC9CB545124" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig350AE416ACF7DDC9CB545124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, all... I have a few comments for the guidelines: 1. In Section 6.3, TCP Transport Specific Guidelines, para 4 states that TCP Collecting Processes SHOULD use the Sequence Number to check for missing IPFIX Messages. Wouldn't any condition that would cause missing messages cause a TCP connection reset? I have no problem with multi-transport implementations doing sequence number checks on TCP because they check sequence numbers regardless of protocol (indeed, due to layering between transport and message decode, our own implementation does precisely this) , but I'm not sure the guidelines should recommend a test that will always succeed.= [In tracking down this issue, I think I've found an editorial error in protocol-24, as well. Para 2 of section 10.4.2.1 IPFIX Message Encoding states: In the case of TCP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the total number of IPFIX Data Records received for the TCP connection, prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32. which is not in parallel with section 3.1's Sequence Number Incremental sequence counter modulo 2^32 of all IPFIX Data Records sent on this PR-SCTP stream from the current Observation Domain by the Exporting Process. (Sequence Numbers are Observation Domain scoped, and the TCP section appears to override this, which I'm pretty sure isn't the intention. Would it be possible to send another RFC Editor comment to correct this point in the protocol document?)] 2. The document is in sections 4.1 and 6.2 not particularly clear about template retransmission and expiration delays, and their configurability. From protocol-24 section 10.3.7, we have a guideline for Collector expiry delay to be set to at least three times Exporter retransmission delay; from protocol-24 10.3.6 and guidelines-02 6.2 we have a recommended retransmission delay of 10 minutes. So, I'd suggest the following: - Change the language in section 4.1 para 2 "If no template becomes available within 30 minutes...) to note that this is the expiry delay, and is configurable. - Change the language in the last paragraph of section 6.2 to recommend a 30 minute expiry time, instead of 60 minutes, in line with the 3x guideline noted above (This is a relatively straightforward change, but has been a point of much discussion for the protocol document) 3. Section 4.6 Time Issues, the first sentence in the second paragraph is a little confusing. The issues with timing as I understand them are: - precision of clock on the MP; - synchronization of clocks among MP, EP, and CP; and - synchronization of all of these to some global reference. The precision of the clock on the EP and its applicability to export time stamping would seem to be practically moot, because very few if any EPs won't have at least a one second resolution real-time clock. So I don't see the issue with EP resolution and export time... (I'd suggest language here but I wanted to make sure my understanding of how timing should be treated by implementors are correct.) Regards, Brian Nevil Brownlee wrote: >=20 > Hi All: >=20 > The 'IPFIX Implementations Guidelines' draft (-02) is now ready > for WG last call, so we'll start that today. It will end on Saturday, > 17 March, just before the Prague IETF meeting. >=20 > Cheers, Nevil >=20 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >=20 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= > This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz= >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --------------enig350AE416ACF7DDC9CB545124 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF6K/t4/8LCZ4pwvYRAp5SAJ4oDWVyQVwaRvXcTgW0D5SIPpDIiwCgk2sw 35XkbP/DyVawFVL9f6YiUZU= =BbdQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig350AE416ACF7DDC9CB545124-- --===============0813786176== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============0813786176==-- From loraarchaimbaud@acu-gage.com Fri Mar 02 19:44:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNIM7-0001vA-Ry for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:44:11 -0500 Received: from [125.40.185.221] (helo=image) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNILz-0007FM-Ai for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:44:11 -0500 To: "stillmann garvy" Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:44:17 +0800 From: "stillmann yolande" Sender: "stillmann yolande" Subject: diff between OEM and ref full ver of XP MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3a0b01c63e5b$99e36340$df5afea9@image> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_34BF_01C63E9E.87DB9F30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 46ad68ada464411807db2a0edd5648ae This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_34BF_01C63E9E.87DB9F30 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_34C0_01C63E9E.87DB9F30" ------=_NextPart_001_34C0_01C63E9E.87DB9F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That square=97Oh, 56 x 56 This third day of our January thaw, A rabbit carcass in its stiffened fur. visitors' dugout. 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This third day of our January thaw,
A rabbit carcass in its stiffened fur.
visitors' dugout. The osprey whose nest is atop
Seems reflected in the infinite of the lamps.
The paths of childhood.
Grateful, I know, for just such compensations,
Coextensive with everything? How could they know?
That square涌h, 56 x 56
Of the matter of snow here. Both of us have grasped
The paths of childhood.
It is as though I were at a second threshold.
III. Earliest Recorded Northern Explorers: The Greeks and the Vikings
Columbuses or Gamas, ever pass,
Like an old soldier, wakeful, in his tent!
The surge of swirling wind defines
the old men burnish stories of Yaz and the Babe
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Doctors love malamud callahan, herndon, dr.
Axe murderer supporting escaped convict john ritter problem.
Video captured shouting audience shut.
Gain york news brother, accessed.
Then, spent two years army developing skits couple more.
Degree drama, from, evergreen, state college?
An american comedian actor who played cosmo television!
Actor who, played cosmo television, show, seinfeld role which.
Reference lynching addressing group black, hecklers retorts.
Doctors love malamud callahan, herndon, dr.
 
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Mar 2007 15:48:51 +1300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l252moH4017652 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:48:50 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz: apache set sender to nevil@auckland.ac.nz using -f Received: from nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) by webmail.auckland.ac.nz (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:48:50 +1300 Message-ID: <20070305154850.1vdsm460gs80wks4@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:48:50 +1300 From: Nevil Brownlee To: ipfix@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f66b12316365a3fe519e75911daf28a8 Subject: [IPFIX] Agenda for IETF 68 in Prague X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: Here's the agenda, version 2. Any further changes, please let me know. Cheers, Nevil ====================================================== Ip Flow Information Export WG (ipfix) IETF #68, Prague Tuesday, 20 March at 1740-1840 ====================================================== Chairs: Nevil Brownlee Juergen Quittek AGENDA: 1. Agenda review WG Status =5 min 2. Documents from the old charter (Nevil) =10 min - draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-12.txt - draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-24.txt - draft-ietf-ipfix-info-15.txt - draft-ietf-ipfix-as-11.txt 3. Drafts from the current charter .. =50 min a) Reducing Redundancy (Elisa Boschi) ( 8 min) - draft-ietf-ipfix-reducing-redundancy-02.txt b) Implementation Guidelines (Elisa Boschi) ( 8 min) - draft-ietf-ipfix-implementation-guidelines-02.txt c) Bidirectional Flow Export (Brian Trammell) ( 8 min) - draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow-03.txt d) IPFIX Testing (Carten Schmoll) ( 8 min) - draft-ietf-ipfix-testing-00.txt e) IPFIX MIB (Thomas Dietz) (18 min) - draft-dietz-ipfix-mib-01.txt 4. PSAMP drafts =20 min - draft-ietf-psamp-framework-10.txt [Nick Duffield] - draft-ietf-psamp-sample-tech-07.txt [Tanja Zseby] - draft-ietf-psamp-protocol-07.txt [Benoit Claise] - draft-ietf-psamp-info-05.txt [Thomas Dietz] 5. New drafts =30 min a) IPFIX Mediation: Implementation and Evaluation (Daisuke Matsubara) (10 min) - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-00.txt b) IPFIX File Format (Brian Trammell) (10 min) - draft-trammell-ipfix-file-02.txt c) Configuration Data Model ( Gerhard Muenz) ( 5 min) - draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-01.txt c) Order of Information Elements (Hitoshi Irino) ( 5 min) - draft-irino-ipfix-ie-order-00.txt 6. Wrap up, milestone review =5 min Presentation slides will be available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.cgi?meeting_num=68 (search for IPFIX in the Operations and Management Area) Participation via jabber is offered at ipfix@jabber.ietf.org OTHER DRAFTS: IPFIX Aggregation http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-03.txt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Sun Mar 04 21:50:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HO3G0-0001tO-KV; Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:49:00 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HO3Fz-0001nl-F8 for ipfix@ietf.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:48:59 -0500 Received: from larry.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.10.122] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HO3Fx-0003RE-OK for ipfix@ietf.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:48:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131F718326 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:48:52 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (larry.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id frx5ls9OkZAX for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:48:51 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.191.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E025918325 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:48:51 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l252mpVP017653 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:48:51 +1300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l252moH4017652 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:48:50 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz: apache set sender to nevil@auckland.ac.nz using -f Received: from nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) by webmail.auckland.ac.nz (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:48:50 +1300 Message-ID: <20070305154850.1vdsm460gs80wks4@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:48:50 +1300 From: Nevil Brownlee To: ipfix@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f66b12316365a3fe519e75911daf28a8 Subject: [IPFIX] Agenda for IETF 68 in Prague X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: Here's the agenda, version 2. Any further changes, please let me know. Cheers, Nevil ====================================================== Ip Flow Information Export WG (ipfix) IETF #68, Prague Tuesday, 20 March at 1740-1840 ====================================================== Chairs: Nevil Brownlee Juergen Quittek AGENDA: 1. Agenda review WG Status =5 min 2. Documents from the old charter (Nevil) =10 min - draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-12.txt - draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-24.txt - draft-ietf-ipfix-info-15.txt - draft-ietf-ipfix-as-11.txt 3. Drafts from the current charter .. =50 min a) Reducing Redundancy (Elisa Boschi) ( 8 min) - draft-ietf-ipfix-reducing-redundancy-02.txt b) Implementation Guidelines (Elisa Boschi) ( 8 min) - draft-ietf-ipfix-implementation-guidelines-02.txt c) Bidirectional Flow Export (Brian Trammell) ( 8 min) - draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow-03.txt d) IPFIX Testing (Carten Schmoll) ( 8 min) - draft-ietf-ipfix-testing-00.txt e) IPFIX MIB (Thomas Dietz) (18 min) - draft-dietz-ipfix-mib-01.txt 4. PSAMP drafts =20 min - draft-ietf-psamp-framework-10.txt [Nick Duffield] - draft-ietf-psamp-sample-tech-07.txt [Tanja Zseby] - draft-ietf-psamp-protocol-07.txt [Benoit Claise] - draft-ietf-psamp-info-05.txt [Thomas Dietz] 5. New drafts =30 min a) IPFIX Mediation: Implementation and Evaluation (Daisuke Matsubara) (10 min) - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-00.txt b) IPFIX File Format (Brian Trammell) (10 min) - draft-trammell-ipfix-file-02.txt c) Configuration Data Model ( Gerhard Muenz) ( 5 min) - draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-01.txt c) Order of Information Elements (Hitoshi Irino) ( 5 min) - draft-irino-ipfix-ie-order-00.txt 6. 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Title : An IPFIX-Based File Format Author(s) : B. Trammell, et al. Filename : draft-trammell-ipfix-file-03.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2007-3-5 =09 This document describes a file format for the storage of flow data based upon the IPFIX message format. It proposes a set of requirements for flat-file, binary flow data file formats, evaluates flow storage systems presently in use for their conformance to these requirements, then applies the IPFIX message format to these requirements to build a new file format. This IPFIX-based file format is designed to facilitate interoperability and reusability among a wide variety of flow storage, processing, and analysis tools. This revision includes a complete proposed specification for semantic typing of vendor-specific information elements in sections 6.1 and 6.2, clarification of file reader and file writer requirements, a few new identified open issues, and general language improvement. Regards, Brian --------------enigFF42127F82ADC7A8BABB1F36 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF7vIW4/8LCZ4pwvYRAlG3AJ9JWdcH8+rFkMHSF7QlUC+sYTZ6egCgw12V yWTeXKW9fJEv1Pit1Lgxbbc= =oqYt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigFF42127F82ADC7A8BABB1F36-- --===============1869651537== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1869651537==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 07 12:12:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOzg9-0004HF-BX; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:11:53 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOzg8-0004Cn-Ek for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:11:52 -0500 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOzg7-0002vR-7N for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:11:52 -0500 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id l27HBlXJ010924 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:11:47 -0500 Received: from [128.237.252.162] (vpn-10-25-4-24.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.24]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l27HBjkS012412 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:11:47 -0500 Message-ID: <45EEF210.3070905@cert.org> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:10:40 -0500 From: Brian Trammell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.2 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Subject: [IPFIX] announcing draft-trammell-ipfix-file-03 X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1869651537==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1869651537== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigFF42127F82ADC7A8BABB1F36" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigFF42127F82ADC7A8BABB1F36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : An IPFIX-Based File Format Author(s) : B. Trammell, et al. Filename : draft-trammell-ipfix-file-03.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2007-3-5 =09 This document describes a file format for the storage of flow data based upon the IPFIX message format. It proposes a set of requirements for flat-file, binary flow data file formats, evaluates flow storage systems presently in use for their conformance to these requirements, then applies the IPFIX message format to these requirements to build a new file format. This IPFIX-based file format is designed to facilitate interoperability and reusability among a wide variety of flow storage, processing, and analysis tools. This revision includes a complete proposed specification for semantic typing of vendor-specific information elements in sections 6.1 and 6.2, clarification of file reader and file writer requirements, a few new identified open issues, and general language improvement. Regards, Brian --------------enigFF42127F82ADC7A8BABB1F36 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF7vIW4/8LCZ4pwvYRAlG3AJ9JWdcH8+rFkMHSF7QlUC+sYTZ6egCgw12V yWTeXKW9fJEv1Pit1Lgxbbc= =oqYt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigFF42127F82ADC7A8BABB1F36-- --===============1869651537== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1869651537==-- From amonteroveoh@hinet.net Thu Mar 08 05:16:32 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPFfk-0003P0-E8; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 05:16:32 -0500 Received: from 218-165-93-122.dynamic.hinet.net ([218.165.93.122] helo=hinet.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPFfg-0008MD-4u; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 05:16:32 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Alisa" From: "Alisa" To: "Avery Little" Cc: "Garnett" , "Armida Wright" , "Darline Hudson" , "Rochelle Olson" , "Kellee Elliott" , "Parthenia" <6lowpan@lists.ietf.org>, "Myrle" Subject: I Believe, U Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 14:49:56 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_EA9_9236_A3327B06.F097BC4B" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Spam-Score: 4.4 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 55503977758b6a5197d8a2b5141eae86 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_EA9_9236_A3327B06.F097BC4B Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_7A7_D1D3_A8A3CADB.8A81163E" ------=_NextPart_7A7_D1D3_A8A3CADB.8A81163E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "And iron wound what do zoom you sting mean to do?" withheld "I sung w= ill take plant fondly it in the Turkish style," replied Fra "Without d= oubt.""And you are right," said count his big well host; science "it show= s you No boil one had the canvas dream swing slightest suspicion; and when next= The Englishman appeared mend to smile reflect alive a step moment, an= d t "To tell chin sour disagree you the truth, I transport consider it= lost." of Edmond looked at them sleep expert for a cow moment with the sad an lavatorial "To call surround the scaffold coil look with twenty of my bes= t m"Ma foi!" spark said Franz, "it would be help pinch talk the easiest t= hilimit foolishly "How brush curved many are they?""Ah, yes, the person h= ashish is vivaciously terrible beginning farm its work. 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------=_NextPart_000_2C831_01C761C9.CB2B45C0-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 08 11:47:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPLkw-0007vZ-JI; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:46:18 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPLkv-0007vU-46 for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:46:17 -0500 Received: from gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com ([194.36.128.25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPLkj-00023y-Rh for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:46:17 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1173372350-60aa00930000-urGyNO X-Barracuda-URL: http://mhd-bar.hitachi-eu.com:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: primary.hitachi-eu.net[193.39.225.234] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1173372350 X-ASG-Whitelist: Client Received: from MHD-MM-INT (primary.hitachi-eu.net [193.39.225.234]) by gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id CCB7224BC for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:45:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com (Not Verified[193.39.227.52]) by MHD-MM-INT with MailMarshal (v6, 1, 8, 2172) id ; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:49:34 +0000 Received: from mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com ([193.39.227.51]) by MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:45:49 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:45:49 -0000 Message-ID: <3167F18F59B81B4888A4D4C0A1717DD6670FAA@mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines Thread-Index: AcdhoFRdDldLdEeLQg+enF7fZb6qjg== From: "Boschi, Elisa" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2007 16:45:49.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A5757A0:01C761A1] X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by HEU SPAM Firewall - MHD at hitachi-eu.com X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bc6181926481d86059e678c9f7cb8b34 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1544579372==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1544579372== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C761A1.3A1A35F6" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C761A1.3A1A35F6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian, all, > > >I have a few comments for the guidelines: > > >1. In Section 6.3, TCP Transport Specific Guidelines, para 4 states = that >TCP Collecting Processes SHOULD use the Sequence Number to check for >missing IPFIX Messages. > >Wouldn't any condition that would cause missing messages cause a TCP >connection reset? I have no problem with multi-transport = implementations >doing sequence number checks on TCP because they check sequence numbers >regardless of protocol (indeed, due to layering between transport and >message decode, our own implementation does precisely this) , but I'm >not sure the guidelines should recommend a test that will always = succeed. > What about: The Collecting Process may check whether IPFIX Messages are lost by checking the Sequence Number in the IPFIX header. It is similar to the guideline we give for SCTP: "The Collecting Process may check whether IPFIX Messages are lost by checking the Sequence Number in the IPFIX header. The Collecting Process SHOULD use the Sequence Number in the IPFIX Message header to determine whether any messages are lost when using an unreliable or partially reliable stream. Sequence numbers should be tracked independently for each stream." > >2. The document is in sections 4.1 and 6.2 not particularly clear about >template retransmission and expiration delays, and their >configurability. From protocol-24 section 10.3.7, we have a guideline >for Collector expiry delay to be set to at least three times Exporter >retransmission delay; from protocol-24 10.3.6 and guidelines-02 6.2 we >have a recommended retransmission delay of 10 minutes. So, I'd suggest >the following: > > - Change the language in section 4.1 para 2 "If no template becomes >available within 30 minutes...) to note that this is the expiry delay, >and is configurable. > > > - Change the language in the last paragraph of section 6.2 to = recommend >a 30 minute expiry time, instead of 60 minutes, in line with the 3x >guideline noted above > >(This is a relatively straightforward change, but has been a point of >much discussion for the protocol document) > what about changing the second paragraph of 4.1 to: "A Data Set received with an unknown Set ID MAY be stored pending the = arrival of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of [IPFIX-INFO]). = If no Template becomes available, the event should be logged and the = Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates to be resent. = The amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a Template before = resetting SHOULD be configurable. We recommend a default of 30 minutes. Note that when using UDP as the = transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be bound, when possible, by the = Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry times (cf. Section 6.2)." Regards, Elisa > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C761A1.3A1A35F6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines

Brian, all,

>
>
>I have a few comments for the guidelines:
>
>
>1. In Section 6.3, TCP Transport Specific Guidelines, para 4 states = that
>TCP Collecting Processes SHOULD use the Sequence Number to check = for
>missing IPFIX Messages.
>
>Wouldn't any condition that would cause missing messages cause a = TCP
>connection reset? I have no problem with multi-transport = implementations
>doing sequence number checks on TCP because they check sequence = numbers
>regardless of protocol (indeed, due to layering between transport = and
>message decode, our own implementation does precisely this) , but = I'm
>not sure the guidelines should recommend a test that will always = succeed.
>


What about:

   The Collecting Process may check whether IPFIX Messages are = lost by
   checking the Sequence Number in the IPFIX header.


It is similar to the guideline we give for SCTP:

   "The Collecting Process may check whether IPFIX = Messages are lost by
   checking the Sequence Number in the IPFIX header.  The = Collecting
   Process SHOULD use the Sequence Number in the IPFIX Message = header to
   determine whether any messages are lost when using an = unreliable or
   partially reliable stream.  Sequence numbers should be = tracked
   independently for each stream."



>
>2. The document is in sections 4.1 and 6.2 not particularly clear = about
>template retransmission and expiration delays, and their
>configurability. From protocol-24 section 10.3.7, we have a = guideline
>for Collector expiry delay to be set to at least three times = Exporter
>retransmission delay; from protocol-24 10.3.6 and guidelines-02 6.2 = we
>have a recommended retransmission delay of 10 minutes. So, I'd = suggest
>the following:
>
> - Change the language in section 4.1 para 2 "If no template = becomes
>available within 30 minutes...) to note that this is the expiry = delay,
>and is configurable.
>
>
> - Change the language in the last paragraph of section 6.2 to = recommend
>a 30 minute expiry time, instead of 60 minutes, in line with the = 3x
>guideline noted above
>
>(This is a relatively straightforward change, but has been a point = of
>much discussion for the protocol document)
>


what about changing the second paragraph of 4.1 to:

"A Data Set received with an unknown Set ID MAY be stored pending = the arrival of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of  = [IPFIX-INFO]). If no Template becomes available, the event should be = logged and the Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates = to be resent. The amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a = Template before resetting SHOULD be configurable.
We recommend a default of 30 minutes. Note that when using UDP as the = transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be bound, when possible, by the = Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry times (cf. Section = 6.2)."


Regards,
Elisa

>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C761A1.3A1A35F6-- --===============1544579372== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1544579372==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 08 11:47:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPLkw-0007vZ-JI; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:46:18 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPLkv-0007vU-46 for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:46:17 -0500 Received: from gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com ([194.36.128.25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPLkj-00023y-Rh for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:46:17 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1173372350-60aa00930000-urGyNO X-Barracuda-URL: http://mhd-bar.hitachi-eu.com:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: primary.hitachi-eu.net[193.39.225.234] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1173372350 X-ASG-Whitelist: Client Received: from MHD-MM-INT (primary.hitachi-eu.net [193.39.225.234]) by gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id CCB7224BC for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:45:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com (Not Verified[193.39.227.52]) by MHD-MM-INT with MailMarshal (v6, 1, 8, 2172) id ; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:49:34 +0000 Received: from mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com ([193.39.227.51]) by MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:45:49 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:45:49 -0000 Message-ID: <3167F18F59B81B4888A4D4C0A1717DD6670FAA@mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines Thread-Index: AcdhoFRdDldLdEeLQg+enF7fZb6qjg== From: "Boschi, Elisa" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2007 16:45:49.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A5757A0:01C761A1] X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by HEU SPAM Firewall - MHD at hitachi-eu.com X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bc6181926481d86059e678c9f7cb8b34 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1544579372==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1544579372== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C761A1.3A1A35F6" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C761A1.3A1A35F6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian, all, > > >I have a few comments for the guidelines: > > >1. In Section 6.3, TCP Transport Specific Guidelines, para 4 states = that >TCP Collecting Processes SHOULD use the Sequence Number to check for >missing IPFIX Messages. > >Wouldn't any condition that would cause missing messages cause a TCP >connection reset? I have no problem with multi-transport = implementations >doing sequence number checks on TCP because they check sequence numbers >regardless of protocol (indeed, due to layering between transport and >message decode, our own implementation does precisely this) , but I'm >not sure the guidelines should recommend a test that will always = succeed. > What about: The Collecting Process may check whether IPFIX Messages are lost by checking the Sequence Number in the IPFIX header. It is similar to the guideline we give for SCTP: "The Collecting Process may check whether IPFIX Messages are lost by checking the Sequence Number in the IPFIX header. The Collecting Process SHOULD use the Sequence Number in the IPFIX Message header to determine whether any messages are lost when using an unreliable or partially reliable stream. Sequence numbers should be tracked independently for each stream." > >2. The document is in sections 4.1 and 6.2 not particularly clear about >template retransmission and expiration delays, and their >configurability. From protocol-24 section 10.3.7, we have a guideline >for Collector expiry delay to be set to at least three times Exporter >retransmission delay; from protocol-24 10.3.6 and guidelines-02 6.2 we >have a recommended retransmission delay of 10 minutes. So, I'd suggest >the following: > > - Change the language in section 4.1 para 2 "If no template becomes >available within 30 minutes...) to note that this is the expiry delay, >and is configurable. > > > - Change the language in the last paragraph of section 6.2 to = recommend >a 30 minute expiry time, instead of 60 minutes, in line with the 3x >guideline noted above > >(This is a relatively straightforward change, but has been a point of >much discussion for the protocol document) > what about changing the second paragraph of 4.1 to: "A Data Set received with an unknown Set ID MAY be stored pending the = arrival of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of [IPFIX-INFO]). = If no Template becomes available, the event should be logged and the = Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates to be resent. = The amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a Template before = resetting SHOULD be configurable. We recommend a default of 30 minutes. Note that when using UDP as the = transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be bound, when possible, by the = Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry times (cf. Section 6.2)." Regards, Elisa > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C761A1.3A1A35F6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines

Brian, all,

>
>
>I have a few comments for the guidelines:
>
>
>1. In Section 6.3, TCP Transport Specific Guidelines, para 4 states = that
>TCP Collecting Processes SHOULD use the Sequence Number to check = for
>missing IPFIX Messages.
>
>Wouldn't any condition that would cause missing messages cause a = TCP
>connection reset? I have no problem with multi-transport = implementations
>doing sequence number checks on TCP because they check sequence = numbers
>regardless of protocol (indeed, due to layering between transport = and
>message decode, our own implementation does precisely this) , but = I'm
>not sure the guidelines should recommend a test that will always = succeed.
>


What about:

   The Collecting Process may check whether IPFIX Messages are = lost by
   checking the Sequence Number in the IPFIX header.


It is similar to the guideline we give for SCTP:

   "The Collecting Process may check whether IPFIX = Messages are lost by
   checking the Sequence Number in the IPFIX header.  The = Collecting
   Process SHOULD use the Sequence Number in the IPFIX Message = header to
   determine whether any messages are lost when using an = unreliable or
   partially reliable stream.  Sequence numbers should be = tracked
   independently for each stream."



>
>2. The document is in sections 4.1 and 6.2 not particularly clear = about
>template retransmission and expiration delays, and their
>configurability. From protocol-24 section 10.3.7, we have a = guideline
>for Collector expiry delay to be set to at least three times = Exporter
>retransmission delay; from protocol-24 10.3.6 and guidelines-02 6.2 = we
>have a recommended retransmission delay of 10 minutes. So, I'd = suggest
>the following:
>
> - Change the language in section 4.1 para 2 "If no template = becomes
>available within 30 minutes...) to note that this is the expiry = delay,
>and is configurable.
>
>
> - Change the language in the last paragraph of section 6.2 to = recommend
>a 30 minute expiry time, instead of 60 minutes, in line with the = 3x
>guideline noted above
>
>(This is a relatively straightforward change, but has been a point = of
>much discussion for the protocol document)
>


what about changing the second paragraph of 4.1 to:

"A Data Set received with an unknown Set ID MAY be stored pending = the arrival of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of  = [IPFIX-INFO]). If no Template becomes available, the event should be = logged and the Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates = to be resent. The amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a = Template before resetting SHOULD be configurable.
We recommend a default of 30 minutes. Note that when using UDP as the = transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be bound, when possible, by the = Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry times (cf. Section = 6.2)."


Regards,
Elisa

>

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ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:45:14 -0500 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPNc0-00005L-Ji for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:45:14 -0500 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id l28Ij8GC014475 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:45:08 -0500 Received: (from defang@localhost) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id l28IhTc8014355 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:43:29 -0500 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id l28IhSdd014352; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.237.252.162] (vpn-10-25-4-20.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.20]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l28IhQjU025589; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:43:28 -0500 Message-ID: <45F0590B.8070608@cert.org> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:42:19 -0500 From: Brian Trammell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Boschi, Elisa" Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines References: <3167F18F59B81B4888A4D4C0A1717DD6670FAA@mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com> In-Reply-To: <3167F18F59B81B4888A4D4C0A1717DD6670FAA@mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.2 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001008 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1a1bf7677bfe77d8af1ebe0e91045c5b Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1750732943==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1750732943== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigBA450B182BAF2CFA141583A5" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigBA450B182BAF2CFA141583A5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Boschi, Elisa wrote: > Brian, all, >=20 >> >> >>I have a few comments for the guidelines: >> >> >>1. In Section 6.3, TCP Transport Specific Guidelines, para 4 states tha= t >>TCP Collecting Processes SHOULD use the Sequence Number to check for >>missing IPFIX Messages. >> >>Wouldn't any condition that would cause missing messages cause a TCP >>connection reset? I have no problem with multi-transport implementation= s >>doing sequence number checks on TCP because they check sequence numbers= >>regardless of protocol (indeed, due to layering between transport and >>message decode, our own implementation does precisely this) , but I'm >>not sure the guidelines should recommend a test that will always succee= d. >> >=20 >=20 > What about: >=20 > The Collecting Process may check whether IPFIX Messages are lost by > checking the Sequence Number in the IPFIX header. >=20 yep, sounds good... We don't want to preclude the CP from checking sequence numbers in a transport-independent way (and out of sequence messages over TCP should be logged anyway, as an indication that the remote EP is broken), but it's not a requirement as with SCTP-PR and UDP.= >>2. The document is in sections 4.1 and 6.2 not particularly clear about= >>template retransmission and expiration delays, and their >>configurability. From protocol-24 section 10.3.7, we have a guideline >>for Collector expiry delay to be set to at least three times Exporter >>retransmission delay; from protocol-24 10.3.6 and guidelines-02 6.2 we >>have a recommended retransmission delay of 10 minutes. So, I'd suggest >>the following: >> >> - Change the language in section 4.1 para 2 "If no template becomes >>available within 30 minutes...) to note that this is the expiry delay, >>and is configurable. >> >> >> - Change the language in the last paragraph of section 6.2 to recommen= d >>a 30 minute expiry time, instead of 60 minutes, in line with the 3x >>guideline noted above >> >>(This is a relatively straightforward change, but has been a point of >>much discussion for the protocol document) >> >=20 >=20 > what about changing the second paragraph of 4.1 to: >=20 > "A Data Set received with an unknown Set ID MAY be stored pending the > arrival of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of [IPFIX-INFO]).= > If no Template becomes available, the event should be logged and the > Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates to be resent. > The amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a Template before > resetting SHOULD be configurable. > We recommend a default of 30 minutes. Note that when using UDP as the > transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be bound, when possible, by the > Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry times (cf. Section 6.2)." Also good... this makes it clear that this storage (and associated delay) is transport-independent. Thanks, Brian --------------enigBA450B182BAF2CFA141583A5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF8FkS4/8LCZ4pwvYRAlK3AJ4pmZ/V5/2jn3cW+qjJ457ecThPYwCgoUUe I80afb9Ri27GkN7af6JWQko= =mvTX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigBA450B182BAF2CFA141583A5-- --===============1750732943== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1750732943==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 08 13:45:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPNc4-00014u-Iv; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:45:16 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPNc2-000141-TJ for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:45:14 -0500 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPNc0-00005L-Ji for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:45:14 -0500 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id l28Ij8GC014475 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:45:08 -0500 Received: (from defang@localhost) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id l28IhTc8014355 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:43:29 -0500 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id l28IhSdd014352; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.237.252.162] (vpn-10-25-4-20.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.20]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l28IhQjU025589; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:43:28 -0500 Message-ID: <45F0590B.8070608@cert.org> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:42:19 -0500 From: Brian Trammell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Boschi, Elisa" Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines References: <3167F18F59B81B4888A4D4C0A1717DD6670FAA@mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com> In-Reply-To: <3167F18F59B81B4888A4D4C0A1717DD6670FAA@mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.2 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001008 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1a1bf7677bfe77d8af1ebe0e91045c5b Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1750732943==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1750732943== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigBA450B182BAF2CFA141583A5" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigBA450B182BAF2CFA141583A5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Boschi, Elisa wrote: > Brian, all, >=20 >> >> >>I have a few comments for the guidelines: >> >> >>1. In Section 6.3, TCP Transport Specific Guidelines, para 4 states tha= t >>TCP Collecting Processes SHOULD use the Sequence Number to check for >>missing IPFIX Messages. >> >>Wouldn't any condition that would cause missing messages cause a TCP >>connection reset? I have no problem with multi-transport implementation= s >>doing sequence number checks on TCP because they check sequence numbers= >>regardless of protocol (indeed, due to layering between transport and >>message decode, our own implementation does precisely this) , but I'm >>not sure the guidelines should recommend a test that will always succee= d. >> >=20 >=20 > What about: >=20 > The Collecting Process may check whether IPFIX Messages are lost by > checking the Sequence Number in the IPFIX header. >=20 yep, sounds good... We don't want to preclude the CP from checking sequence numbers in a transport-independent way (and out of sequence messages over TCP should be logged anyway, as an indication that the remote EP is broken), but it's not a requirement as with SCTP-PR and UDP.= >>2. The document is in sections 4.1 and 6.2 not particularly clear about= >>template retransmission and expiration delays, and their >>configurability. From protocol-24 section 10.3.7, we have a guideline >>for Collector expiry delay to be set to at least three times Exporter >>retransmission delay; from protocol-24 10.3.6 and guidelines-02 6.2 we >>have a recommended retransmission delay of 10 minutes. So, I'd suggest >>the following: >> >> - Change the language in section 4.1 para 2 "If no template becomes >>available within 30 minutes...) to note that this is the expiry delay, >>and is configurable. >> >> >> - Change the language in the last paragraph of section 6.2 to recommen= d >>a 30 minute expiry time, instead of 60 minutes, in line with the 3x >>guideline noted above >> >>(This is a relatively straightforward change, but has been a point of >>much discussion for the protocol document) >> >=20 >=20 > what about changing the second paragraph of 4.1 to: >=20 > "A Data Set received with an unknown Set ID MAY be stored pending the > arrival of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of [IPFIX-INFO]).= > If no Template becomes available, the event should be logged and the > Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates to be resent. > The amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a Template before > resetting SHOULD be configurable. > We recommend a default of 30 minutes. Note that when using UDP as the > transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be bound, when possible, by the > Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry times (cf. Section 6.2)." Also good... this makes it clear that this storage (and associated delay) is transport-independent. 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Whether this is a good thing is up to clean printer-name From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 09 04:58:47 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPbra-0004vu-MI; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 04:58:14 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPbrZ-0004vp-PN for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 04:58:13 -0500 Received: from tama5.ecl.ntt.co.jp ([129.60.39.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPbrV-0002F1-RE for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 04:58:13 -0500 Received: from sfs2.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (IDENT:mirapoint@sfs2.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.39.117]) by tama5.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l299tl4h003339 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:58:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from mfs4.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (mfs4.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.39.113]) by sfs2.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (MOS 3.8.3-GA) with ESMTP id ACH37279; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:58:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from nttmail3.ecl.ntt.co.jp (nttmail3.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.39.100]) by mfs4.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l299w7Lo002731 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:58:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.5.69]) by nttmail3.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l299w7pt029892 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:58:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l299w7XI007746 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:58:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from imm.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (imm0.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.5.151]) by eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l299w7NR007737 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:58:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost.localdomain.lab.ntt.co.jp ([129.60.80.87]) by imm.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l299w6ce003410 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:58:06 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:53:21 +0900 Message-ID: <87wt1qg2um.wl%irino.hitoshi@lab.ntt.co.jp> From: Hitoshi Irino To: ipfix@ietf.org References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/21.4 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Multipart_Fri_Mar__9_18:53:21_2007-1" X-Junkmail: UCE(10) X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/10, host=sfs2.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090209.45F12FAF.00B8,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=129.60.5.69, so=2006-12-09 10:45:40, dmn=5.2.125/2007-01-26 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 200d029292fbb60d25b263122ced50fc Subject: [IPFIX] Forward: I-D ACTION:draft-irino-ipfix-ie-order-01.txt X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org --Multipart_Fri_Mar__9_18:53:21_2007-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Deal all, I updated my draft about order of Information Elements. I changed the rule of the order a little simply than 00 draft. regards, Hitoshi Irino --Multipart_Fri_Mar__9_18:53:21_2007-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:50:03 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-irino-ipfix-ie-order-01.txt X-BeenThere: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org List-Id: i-d-announce.ietf.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org X-Junkmail: UCE(10) X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/10, host=sfs2.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090206.45EDD7B4.00DB,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=156.154.16.145, so=2006-12-09 10:45:40, dmn=5.2.125/2007-01-26 Content-Length: 3431 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Order of Information Elements Author(s) : H. Irino Filename : draft-irino-ipfix-ie-order-01.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2007-3-6 This draft describes guidelines for the order of Information Elements of the IPFIX protocol for the creation of Templates. It aims to improve the efficiency of the Collecting Process on the assumption that multiple Exporting Processes send Flow Records containing the same Information Elements to a Collecting Process. Exporters can make (almost) the same Template from the same combination of Information Elements by applying the order rule defined in this draft. Furthermore, some Templates will have a suitable data structure for hardware processing if the rule is applied because the rule defines that fixed-length Information Elements and other Information Elements are separated in position. 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I changed the rule of the order a little simply than 00 draft. regards, Hitoshi Irino --Multipart_Fri_Mar__9_18:53:21_2007-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:50:03 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-irino-ipfix-ie-order-01.txt X-BeenThere: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org List-Id: i-d-announce.ietf.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org X-Junkmail: UCE(10) X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/10, host=sfs2.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090206.45EDD7B4.00DB,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=156.154.16.145, so=2006-12-09 10:45:40, dmn=5.2.125/2007-01-26 Content-Length: 3431 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Order of Information Elements Author(s) : H. Irino Filename : draft-irino-ipfix-ie-order-01.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2007-3-6 This draft describes guidelines for the order of Information Elements of the IPFIX protocol for the creation of Templates. It aims to improve the efficiency of the Collecting Process on the assumption that multiple Exporting Processes send Flow Records containing the same Information Elements to a Collecting Process. Exporters can make (almost) the same Template from the same combination of Information Elements by applying the order rule defined in this draft. Furthermore, some Templates will have a suitable data structure for hardware processing if the rule is applied because the rule defines that fixed-length Information Elements and other Information Elements are separated in position. 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Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:00:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C76285.9EFEF570" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 7268a2980febc47a9fa732aba2b737ba ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C76285.9EFEF570 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0007_01C76285.9EFEF570" ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C76285.9EFEF570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Animal stock equipment developing used cmyk rgb size! Rolando bozzi, simone isfmilan dalponte gravsholt zethner! Nature animal = stock equipment developing used cmyk rgb size. Zoli, nini agostini = italiamery rutali, truglia verdi needham tudor. Todoroff callaghan azzi sellari gray liverpool carvalho. Sirolli = santucciu cavaioli bona, bellodi. Atlantic abc spawned too deidre? Usterms useprivacy policysite content reg, muze bb. Color offset digital print budget, estimates without. Usclaudia torresani tiwari bellset pasquali. Reality corner chatter = columnists bianco. Feito, provocando descrdito lideranas esto. Exrcito galloway ticoras = paul seung troya. Rgb size dpi, original, ensure resolution accuracy art, animation? = Vavassori ballerini vitariello usaedit, tafilaj italylendi nasto cerri. Deshmukh usagianna minello caltabiano giusti. Network surprise, won runnersup similarly shrunken! Patane maini benvenuti felix. Giovannini grasselli, italiaelio = cirimbelli, devenish. Summary notes linksedit warning andor ending = eighteen? Raso cral banca popolare dellemilia romagna reggiami = italiaismo ravazzini. Morsoletto florenzani covello miglietti dabove, = badano federico ii. Resume login register, gamebase browse titles. = Reidtyra ford sweden swedenfrom navigation? Carpaneto, roma tre, pessino = piemonte vicini. Dirigente partitio communista, iafelice agrenco! Sangiorgi nolli salce pedriali. Landini rubbiani barbi canali italiarubn gmez! Romanato, busetto = radaelli oasi associato brusoni collioli. Learnmore bikini smell = shocking october august jolieanna lavignebai. Vezzalini italyloris capogrossi laltro turismo cariboni italyemmet = whelan cnm! Pomodoro, italymette irene andersen jann. Tafilaj italylendi = nasto cerri remoli. Try again later experience. Bartolo, valerii = primavera biasotto regno. Reviews boards rss feed fat joe, allbronx. 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Animal stock equipment developing used = cmyk rgb size!
Rolando bozzi, simone isfmilan dalponte = gravsholt=20 zethner! Nature animal stock equipment developing used cmyk rgb size. = Zoli, nini=20 agostini italiamery rutali, truglia verdi needham tudor.
Todoroff callaghan azzi sellari gray = liverpool=20 carvalho. Sirolli santucciu cavaioli bona, bellodi. Atlantic abc spawned = too deidre?
Usterms useprivacy policysite content = reg, muze bb.
Color offset digital print budget, = estimates without.
Usclaudia torresani tiwari bellset = pasquali.=20 Reality corner chatter columnists bianco.
Feito, provocando descrdito lideranas = esto. Exrcito=20 galloway ticoras paul seung troya.
Rgb size dpi, original, ensure = resolution accuracy=20 art, animation? Vavassori ballerini vitariello usaedit, tafilaj = italylendi nasto cerri.
Deshmukh usagianna minello caltabiano = giusti.
Network surprise, won runnersup = similarly shrunken!
Patane maini benvenuti felix. = Giovannini grasselli,=20 italiaelio cirimbelli, devenish. Summary notes linksedit warning andor = ending=20 eighteen? Raso cral banca popolare dellemilia romagna reggiami = italiaismo=20 ravazzini. Morsoletto florenzani covello miglietti dabove, badano = federico ii.=20 Resume login register, gamebase browse titles. Reidtyra ford sweden = swedenfrom=20 navigation? Carpaneto, roma tre, pessino piemonte vicini.
Dirigente partitio communista, iafelice = agrenco!
Sangiorgi nolli salce = pedriali.
Landini rubbiani barbi canali = italiarubn gmez!=20 Romanato, busetto radaelli oasi associato brusoni collioli. Learnmore = bikini=20 smell shocking october august jolieanna lavignebai.
Vezzalini italyloris capogrossi laltro = turismo=20 cariboni italyemmet whelan cnm! Pomodoro, italymette irene andersen = jann.=20 Tafilaj italylendi nasto cerri remoli. Try again later experience. = Bartolo,=20 valerii primavera biasotto regno. Reviews boards rss feed fat joe, = allbronx.
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09:11:44 -0400 Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id l2CDBcf28031; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:11:38 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:08:43 +0100 Message-ID: <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B615DDBD@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: please review the IPFIX Implementation Guidelines Thread-Index: Acdj2TbTNRTWhRazR3KHGKq9EjntYwAzliow References: <45F03B5D.4060203@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <8240f6260703110531j5d30c399w4f3b7ecf773b2c91@mail.gmail.com> From: "Boschi, Elisa" To: "Ronny T. Lampert" X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b1c41982e167b872076d0018e4e1dc3c X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:13:33 -0400 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] RE: please review the IPFIX Implementation Guidelines X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0688331271==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0688331271== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C764A7.F844B5AB" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C764A7.F844B5AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Ronny! cheers, Elisa -----Original Message----- From: freequaos@gmail.com on behalf of Ronny T. Lampert Sent: Sun 3/11/2007 1:31 PM To: Boschi, Elisa Subject: Re: please review the IPFIX Implementation Guidelines =20 Hi Elisa, so far I've found a few typos: 3.1 resend active Templates, in case of SCTP association restart, UDP template refresh, or TCP connection retart. This guideline can be typo: "restart" 4.5.1 Alignment of Information Elements within a Data Record is achieved by inserting an instances of the paddingOctets Information Element with typo: "an instance" 4.5.2. Alignment of Information Elements specifiers within a Template Record typo: "Information Element" In chapter 7. Guidelines for implementation on Middleboxes I wouldn't list all middleboxes contained in the RFC, instead just give a couple of examples. The rest of the text is very understandable so I have no further = annotations. Cheers, Ronny ------_=_NextPart_001_01C764A7.F844B5AB Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: please review the IPFIX Implementation Guidelines

Thanks Ronny!

cheers,
Elisa


-----Original Message-----
From: freequaos@gmail.com on behalf of Ronny T. Lampert
Sent: Sun 3/11/2007 1:31 PM
To: Boschi, Elisa
Subject: Re: please review the IPFIX Implementation Guidelines

Hi Elisa,

so far I've found a few typos:

3.1
   resend active Templates, in case of SCTP association = restart, UDP
   template refresh, or TCP connection retart.  This = guideline can be

typo: "restart"

4.5.1

   Alignment of Information Elements within a Data Record is = achieved by
   inserting an instances of the paddingOctets Information = Element with

typo: "an instance"

4.5.2.  Alignment of Information Elements specifiers within a = Template
        Record

typo: "Information Element"


In chapter

7.  Guidelines for implementation on Middleboxes

I wouldn't list all middleboxes contained in the RFC, instead just
give a couple of examples.

The rest of the text is very understandable so I have no further = annotations.

Cheers,
Ronny

------_=_NextPart_001_01C764A7.F844B5AB-- --===============0688331271== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============0688331271==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 12 09:14:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQkLG-0007ix-DZ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:13:34 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQkJU-0003Uy-3D for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:11:44 -0400 Received: from mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de ([193.174.154.14]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQkJS-0006TW-HA for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:11:44 -0400 Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id l2CDBcf28031; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:11:38 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:08:43 +0100 Message-ID: <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B615DDBD@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: please review the IPFIX Implementation Guidelines Thread-Index: Acdj2TbTNRTWhRazR3KHGKq9EjntYwAzliow References: <45F03B5D.4060203@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <8240f6260703110531j5d30c399w4f3b7ecf773b2c91@mail.gmail.com> From: "Boschi, Elisa" To: "Ronny T. Lampert" X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b1c41982e167b872076d0018e4e1dc3c X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:13:33 -0400 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] RE: please review the IPFIX Implementation Guidelines X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0688331271==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0688331271== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C764A7.F844B5AB" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C764A7.F844B5AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Ronny! cheers, Elisa -----Original Message----- From: freequaos@gmail.com on behalf of Ronny T. Lampert Sent: Sun 3/11/2007 1:31 PM To: Boschi, Elisa Subject: Re: please review the IPFIX Implementation Guidelines =20 Hi Elisa, so far I've found a few typos: 3.1 resend active Templates, in case of SCTP association restart, UDP template refresh, or TCP connection retart. This guideline can be typo: "restart" 4.5.1 Alignment of Information Elements within a Data Record is achieved by inserting an instances of the paddingOctets Information Element with typo: "an instance" 4.5.2. Alignment of Information Elements specifiers within a Template Record typo: "Information Element" In chapter 7. Guidelines for implementation on Middleboxes I wouldn't list all middleboxes contained in the RFC, instead just give a couple of examples. The rest of the text is very understandable so I have no further = annotations. Cheers, Ronny ------_=_NextPart_001_01C764A7.F844B5AB Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: please review the IPFIX Implementation Guidelines

Thanks Ronny!

cheers,
Elisa


-----Original Message-----
From: freequaos@gmail.com on behalf of Ronny T. Lampert
Sent: Sun 3/11/2007 1:31 PM
To: Boschi, Elisa
Subject: Re: please review the IPFIX Implementation Guidelines

Hi Elisa,

so far I've found a few typos:

3.1
   resend active Templates, in case of SCTP association = restart, UDP
   template refresh, or TCP connection retart.  This = guideline can be

typo: "restart"

4.5.1

   Alignment of Information Elements within a Data Record is = achieved by
   inserting an instances of the paddingOctets Information = Element with

typo: "an instance"

4.5.2.  Alignment of Information Elements specifiers within a = Template
        Record

typo: "Information Element"


In chapter

7.  Guidelines for implementation on Middleboxes

I wouldn't list all middleboxes contained in the RFC, instead just
give a couple of examples.

The rest of the text is very understandable so I have no further = annotations.

Cheers,
Ronny

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List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: The latest version of the agenda is on the meeting 'agendas' page. Only actual difference is that we're scheduled for *two* hours, 1740 to 1950 on Tuesday, not one hour as I had it before. See you in Prague, Nevil ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 13 17:53:30 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HREtZ-0005Tt-10; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:51:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HREtW-0005JX-Il for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:50:58 -0400 Received: from larry.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.10.122] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HREtV-0005KW-5S for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:50:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D0F1862C for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:50:52 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (larry.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gc2UP1Jj8dmn for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:50:51 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.191.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3859218625 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:50:50 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2DLooIw003369 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:50:50 +1300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l2DLonQc003367 for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:50:49 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz: apache set sender to nevil@auckland.ac.nz using -f Received: from nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) by webmail.auckland.ac.nz (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:50:49 +1300 Message-ID: <20070314105049.p0hg1ra28okc008k@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:50:49 +1300 From: Nevil Brownlee To: ipfix@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Subject: [IPFIX] Prague meeting agenda X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: The latest version of the agenda is on the meeting 'agendas' page. Only actual difference is that we're scheduled for *two* hours, 1740 to 1950 on Tuesday, not one hour as I had it before. 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Cleveland of birth actor producer = started.=20 Completely offer selection, submitted.
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Weeks, beth silicon dishes weekly, = partner scanning=20 electron microscopy.
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Sven pc quotlist iboardquot kdz touch, = uderground.
Muses, mohamed yazdani ro, kheili. Site = fans avait=20 ferm pis euxmmes, ont?
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Chances free racism, blame beauty = fromher deeza=20 foremost. Addresses mather north hs terminated. Fontstyle normal color = ffffff.
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Guerrero eddy karate chaos strike form = khvids=20 referrers cohiba?
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Mary tyler sign subscribe to maria = berrybirth place.
Aux, hue, fauch madame, eminem leobrad. = Interviews=20 or articles about was described no womanizing cruelty. Ex victim which = old=20 excuse whine use sourswhich. Katja kassin vneck, sleeve? Chris parnell=20 highlights whole sketch, lowlights.
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By what it seems to have moved toward. In any
Like an old soldier, wakeful, in his tent!
shortcake, waffles, berries and cream
Sits at the limit of a kind of world
And M鑽e Chose's square of world, even as they
Point, after all, when finally one reaches
Chose to walk out of it, they'd have to pass
The form sought for centuries by
That desire has ever built, have approached
XI. Franklin's Last Voyage
Blurring the terrain,
Sought to contrive, intending to express
Two of us, Docteur and Madame Machin, who stand
Brush the lone giant in that somber pall.
Clear-voiced despite its years, strong, eloquent
And M鑽e Chose's square of world, even as they
Everywhere, utterly.
Allowing me to let your picture form and wake
Never does any motion, sound, or light
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Sat, March 3, 2007 12:14 am, Brian Trammell said: > [In tracking down this issue, I think I've found an editorial error in > protocol-24, as well. Para 2 of section 10.4.2.1 IPFIX Message Encoding > states: > > In the case of TCP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the > total number of IPFIX Data Records received for the TCP connection, > prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32. > > which is not in parallel with section 3.1's > > Sequence Number > Incremental sequence counter modulo 2^32 of all IPFIX Data > Records sent on this PR-SCTP stream from the current > Observation Domain by the Exporting Process. > > (Sequence Numbers are Observation Domain scoped, and the TCP section > appears to override this, which I'm pretty sure isn't the intention. > Would it be possible to send another RFC Editor comment to correct this > point in the protocol document?)] [...] Content analysis details: (-2.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.1-5; AVE: 7.3.1.43; VDF: 6.38.0.56; host: mx06) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de id l2EISsXf003844 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 Subject: [IPFIX] Sequence Number in protocol-24 X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org On Sat, March 3, 2007 12:14 am, Brian Trammell said: > [In tracking down this issue, I think I've found an editorial error in > protocol-24, as well. Para 2 of section 10.4.2.1 IPFIX Message Encoding > states: > > In the case of TCP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the > total number of IPFIX Data Records received for the TCP connection, > prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32. > > which is not in parallel with section 3.1's > > Sequence Number > Incremental sequence counter modulo 2^32 of all IPFIX Data > Records sent on this PR-SCTP stream from the current > Observation Domain by the Exporting Process. > > (Sequence Numbers are Observation Domain scoped, and the TCP section > appears to override this, which I'm pretty sure isn't the intention. > Would it be possible to send another RFC Editor comment to correct this > point in the protocol document?)] There are two other inconsistencies (or am I wrong?): (i) Concerning the value of the Sequence Number: 3.1: "IPFIX Data Records sent" 10.3.2: "IPFIX Data Records received" 10.4.2.1: "IPFIX Data Records received" I think it is better to always write "IPFIX Data Records sent" because th= e field is set by the exporter and not by the collector. (ii) There seem to be three different writings for the Sequence Number in protocol-24: "IPFIX Message sequence number" "Sequence Number" "IPFIX Sequence Number" "sequence number" Maybe we should only use "Sequence Number" and "IPFIX Sequence Number" when a specific discrimination from other transport layer sequence number= s is required. Regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz Computer Networks and Internet Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science University of Tuebingen Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 14 14:30:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRYDa-0005kZ-GQ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:28:58 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRYDZ-0005kT-0d for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:28:57 -0400 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRYDX-0007nZ-IO for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:28:56 -0400 Received: from u-173-c251.cs.uni-tuebingen.de (u-173-c251.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.173.251]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2EISsXf003844 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:28:54 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de ident=www-data) by u-173-c251.cs.uni-tuebingen.de with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HRYDW-0000wi-PI for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:28:54 +0100 Received: from 62.224.88.3 (SquirrelMail authenticated user muenz) by www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:28:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <61318.62.224.88.3.1173896934.squirrel@www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <45E8AFE9.7080602@cert.org> References: <20070301094211.80b4uhitc0ws44ck@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> <45E8AFE9.7080602@cert.org> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:28:54 +0100 (CET) From: "Gerhard Muenz" To: ipfix@ietf.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Sat, March 3, 2007 12:14 am, Brian Trammell said: > [In tracking down this issue, I think I've found an editorial error in > protocol-24, as well. Para 2 of section 10.4.2.1 IPFIX Message Encoding > states: > > In the case of TCP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the > total number of IPFIX Data Records received for the TCP connection, > prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32. > > which is not in parallel with section 3.1's > > Sequence Number > Incremental sequence counter modulo 2^32 of all IPFIX Data > Records sent on this PR-SCTP stream from the current > Observation Domain by the Exporting Process. > > (Sequence Numbers are Observation Domain scoped, and the TCP section > appears to override this, which I'm pretty sure isn't the intention. > Would it be possible to send another RFC Editor comment to correct this > point in the protocol document?)] [...] Content analysis details: (-2.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.1-5; AVE: 7.3.1.43; VDF: 6.38.0.56; host: mx06) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de id l2EISsXf003844 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 Subject: [IPFIX] Sequence Number in protocol-24 X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org On Sat, March 3, 2007 12:14 am, Brian Trammell said: > [In tracking down this issue, I think I've found an editorial error in > protocol-24, as well. Para 2 of section 10.4.2.1 IPFIX Message Encoding > states: > > In the case of TCP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the > total number of IPFIX Data Records received for the TCP connection, > prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32. > > which is not in parallel with section 3.1's > > Sequence Number > Incremental sequence counter modulo 2^32 of all IPFIX Data > Records sent on this PR-SCTP stream from the current > Observation Domain by the Exporting Process. > > (Sequence Numbers are Observation Domain scoped, and the TCP section > appears to override this, which I'm pretty sure isn't the intention. > Would it be possible to send another RFC Editor comment to correct this > point in the protocol document?)] There are two other inconsistencies (or am I wrong?): (i) Concerning the value of the Sequence Number: 3.1: "IPFIX Data Records sent" 10.3.2: "IPFIX Data Records received" 10.4.2.1: "IPFIX Data Records received" I think it is better to always write "IPFIX Data Records sent" because th= e field is set by the exporter and not by the collector. (ii) There seem to be three different writings for the Sequence Number in protocol-24: "IPFIX Message sequence number" "Sequence Number" "IPFIX Sequence Number" "sequence number" Maybe we should only use "Sequence Number" and "IPFIX Sequence Number" when a specific discrimination from other transport layer sequence number= s is required. Regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz Computer Networks and Internet Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science University of Tuebingen Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 14 14:42:25 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRYQR-0005Ln-77; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:42:15 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRYQP-0005Lc-9R for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:42:13 -0400 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRYQN-0002kw-Qy for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:42:13 -0400 Received: from u-173-c251.cs.uni-tuebingen.de (u-173-c251.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.173.251]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2EIg8ah004491; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:42:08 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de ident=www-data) by u-173-c251.cs.uni-tuebingen.de with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HRYQL-0000xR-6V; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:42:09 +0100 Received: from 62.224.88.3 (SquirrelMail authenticated user muenz) by www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:42:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <61347.62.224.88.3.1173897729.squirrel@www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <3167F18F59B81B4888A4D4C0A1717DD6670FAA@mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com> References: <3167F18F59B81B4888A4D4C0A1717DD6670FAA@mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:42:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines From: "Gerhard Muenz" To: "Boschi, Elisa" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Elisa, On Thu, March 8, 2007 5:45 pm, Boschi, Elisa said: >>2. The document is in sections 4.1 and 6.2 not particularly clear about >>template retransmission and expiration delays, and their >>configurability. From protocol-24 section 10.3.7, we have a guideline >>for Collector expiry delay to be set to at least three times Exporter >>retransmission delay; from protocol-24 10.3.6 and guidelines-02 6.2 we >>have a recommended retransmission delay of 10 minutes. So, I'd suggest >>the following: >> >> - Change the language in section 4.1 para 2 "If no template becomes >>available within 30 minutes...) to note that this is the expiry delay, >>and is configurable. >> >> >> - Change the language in the last paragraph of section 6.2 to recommend >>a 30 minute expiry time, instead of 60 minutes, in line with the 3x >>guideline noted above >> >>(This is a relatively straightforward change, but has been a point of >>much discussion for the protocol document) >> > > > what about changing the second paragraph of 4.1 to: > > "A Data Set received with an unknown Set ID MAY be stored pending the > arrival of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of [IPFIX-INFO]). If > no Template becomes available, the event should be logged and the > Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates to be resent. The > amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a Template before > resetting SHOULD be configurable. > We recommend a default of 30 minutes. Note that when using UDP as the > transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be bound, when possible, by the > Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry times (cf. Section 6.2)." > [...] Content analysis details: (-2.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.1-5; AVE: 7.3.1.43; VDF: 6.38.0.56; host: mx06) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de id l2EIg8ah004491 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Elisa, On Thu, March 8, 2007 5:45 pm, Boschi, Elisa said: >>2. The document is in sections 4.1 and 6.2 not particularly clear about >>template retransmission and expiration delays, and their >>configurability. From protocol-24 section 10.3.7, we have a guideline >>for Collector expiry delay to be set to at least three times Exporter >>retransmission delay; from protocol-24 10.3.6 and guidelines-02 6.2 we >>have a recommended retransmission delay of 10 minutes. So, I'd suggest >>the following: >> >> - Change the language in section 4.1 para 2 "If no template becomes >>available within 30 minutes...) to note that this is the expiry delay, >>and is configurable. >> >> >> - Change the language in the last paragraph of section 6.2 to recommen= d >>a 30 minute expiry time, instead of 60 minutes, in line with the 3x >>guideline noted above >> >>(This is a relatively straightforward change, but has been a point of >>much discussion for the protocol document) >> > > > what about changing the second paragraph of 4.1 to: > > "A Data Set received with an unknown Set ID MAY be stored pending the > arrival of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of [IPFIX-INFO]).= If > no Template becomes available, the event should be logged and the > Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates to be resent. T= he > amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a Template before > resetting SHOULD be configurable. > We recommend a default of 30 minutes. Note that when using UDP as the > transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be bound, when possible, by the > Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry times (cf. Section 6.2)." > The paragraph in 4.1 is a repetition of the first paragraph in 3.1. I hav= e no problem with this redundancy - repeating important issues can make things clearer. But 3.1 is missing the timing information. So you should also mention the timings in 3.1 or refer to 4.1 for further information. Regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz Computer Networks and Internet Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science University of Tuebingen Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 14 14:42:25 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRYQR-0005Ln-77; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:42:15 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRYQP-0005Lc-9R for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:42:13 -0400 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRYQN-0002kw-Qy for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:42:13 -0400 Received: from u-173-c251.cs.uni-tuebingen.de (u-173-c251.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.173.251]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2EIg8ah004491; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:42:08 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de ident=www-data) by u-173-c251.cs.uni-tuebingen.de with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HRYQL-0000xR-6V; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:42:09 +0100 Received: from 62.224.88.3 (SquirrelMail authenticated user muenz) by www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:42:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <61347.62.224.88.3.1173897729.squirrel@www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <3167F18F59B81B4888A4D4C0A1717DD6670FAA@mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com> References: <3167F18F59B81B4888A4D4C0A1717DD6670FAA@mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:42:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines From: "Gerhard Muenz" To: "Boschi, Elisa" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Elisa, On Thu, March 8, 2007 5:45 pm, Boschi, Elisa said: >>2. The document is in sections 4.1 and 6.2 not particularly clear about >>template retransmission and expiration delays, and their >>configurability. From protocol-24 section 10.3.7, we have a guideline >>for Collector expiry delay to be set to at least three times Exporter >>retransmission delay; from protocol-24 10.3.6 and guidelines-02 6.2 we >>have a recommended retransmission delay of 10 minutes. So, I'd suggest >>the following: >> >> - Change the language in section 4.1 para 2 "If no template becomes >>available within 30 minutes...) to note that this is the expiry delay, >>and is configurable. >> >> >> - Change the language in the last paragraph of section 6.2 to recommend >>a 30 minute expiry time, instead of 60 minutes, in line with the 3x >>guideline noted above >> >>(This is a relatively straightforward change, but has been a point of >>much discussion for the protocol document) >> > > > what about changing the second paragraph of 4.1 to: > > "A Data Set received with an unknown Set ID MAY be stored pending the > arrival of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of [IPFIX-INFO]). If > no Template becomes available, the event should be logged and the > Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates to be resent. The > amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a Template before > resetting SHOULD be configurable. > We recommend a default of 30 minutes. Note that when using UDP as the > transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be bound, when possible, by the > Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry times (cf. Section 6.2)." > [...] Content analysis details: (-2.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.1-5; AVE: 7.3.1.43; VDF: 6.38.0.56; host: mx06) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de id l2EIg8ah004491 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Elisa, On Thu, March 8, 2007 5:45 pm, Boschi, Elisa said: >>2. The document is in sections 4.1 and 6.2 not particularly clear about >>template retransmission and expiration delays, and their >>configurability. From protocol-24 section 10.3.7, we have a guideline >>for Collector expiry delay to be set to at least three times Exporter >>retransmission delay; from protocol-24 10.3.6 and guidelines-02 6.2 we >>have a recommended retransmission delay of 10 minutes. So, I'd suggest >>the following: >> >> - Change the language in section 4.1 para 2 "If no template becomes >>available within 30 minutes...) to note that this is the expiry delay, >>and is configurable. >> >> >> - Change the language in the last paragraph of section 6.2 to recommen= d >>a 30 minute expiry time, instead of 60 minutes, in line with the 3x >>guideline noted above >> >>(This is a relatively straightforward change, but has been a point of >>much discussion for the protocol document) >> > > > what about changing the second paragraph of 4.1 to: > > "A Data Set received with an unknown Set ID MAY be stored pending the > arrival of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of [IPFIX-INFO]).= If > no Template becomes available, the event should be logged and the > Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates to be resent. T= he > amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a Template before > resetting SHOULD be configurable. > We recommend a default of 30 minutes. Note that when using UDP as the > transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be bound, when possible, by the > Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry times (cf. Section 6.2)." > The paragraph in 4.1 is a repetition of the first paragraph in 3.1. I hav= e no problem with this redundancy - repeating important issues can make things clearer. But 3.1 is missing the timing information. So you should also mention the timings in 3.1 or refer to 4.1 for further information. Regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz Computer Networks and Internet Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science University of Tuebingen Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From guru@helpcontrolweight.com Wed Mar 14 14:49:42 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRYXe-0000BY-8y for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:49:42 -0400 Received: from [88.233.230.48] (helo=dsl88-233-58928.ttnet.net.tr) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRYXR-0004Sp-6V for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:49:42 -0400 Received: from 205.210.42.14 (HELO mx.gsk.easydns.com) by lists.ietf.org with esmtp (,;/-0B5- )('-H7) id XX;R3.-T@:Q-W-8J for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:48:57 -0200 Message-ID: <01c76669$6bdfd960$6c822ecf@guru> From: "Julie Parham" To: Subject: OEM CD - Is Vendor required to supply a copy? 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They move against, or through, or by, or toward.
Of a far=20= barn, just where the road curves sharply
To a higher level of=20= appearance.
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by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l2EJ3xmP014942; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:03:59 -0400 Message-ID: <45F846D2.6070005@cert.org> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:02:42 -0400 From: Brian Trammell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] Sequence Number in protocol-24 References: <20070301094211.80b4uhitc0ws44ck@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> <45E8AFE9.7080602@cert.org> <61318.62.224.88.3.1173896934.squirrel@www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <61318.62.224.88.3.1173896934.squirrel@www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.2 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001008 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f60d0f7806b0c40781eee6b9cd0b2135 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1966745072==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1966745072== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigDA5507AE70B35BC718F29691" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigDA5507AE70B35BC718F29691 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gerhard, In short, I agree. Specific comments inline: Gerhard Muenz wrote: >=20 > There are two other inconsistencies (or am I wrong?): >=20 > (i) Concerning the value of the Sequence Number: >=20 > 3.1: "IPFIX Data Records sent" > 10.3.2: "IPFIX Data Records received" > 10.4.2.1: "IPFIX Data Records received" >=20 > I think it is better to always write "IPFIX Data Records sent" because = the > field is set by the exporter and not by the collector. Agreed. (Also, in 10.3.2 para 2, the document scopes the sequence number to a "UDP association", which should be a "UDP Transport Session"). > (ii) There seem to be three different writings for the Sequence Number = in > protocol-24: >=20 > "IPFIX Message sequence number" > "Sequence Number" > "IPFIX Sequence Number" > "sequence number" >=20 > Maybe we should only use "Sequence Number" and "IPFIX Sequence Number" > when a specific discrimination from other transport layer sequence numb= ers > is required. The protocol document does not appear to mention TCP Sequence or SCTP Transport Sequence or Stream Sequence numbers, so omitting "IPFIX" from "Sequence Number" within the document is acceptable (especially in paragraphs and/or short sections mentioning the sequence number more than once). However, "IPFIX Message sequence number" would seem to imply that the numbers increment per message, not per record. So, yes, I'd agree that we should use "[IPFIX] Sequence Number" everywhere. Regards, Brian --------------enigDA5507AE70B35BC718F29691 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF+Ebi4/8LCZ4pwvYRAgPEAKC0x9L5bis9Kjit0ByEiArufXVqxQCg0hOC 7E2tRgULQhtSgzfvklaJCIw= =IHNu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigDA5507AE70B35BC718F29691-- --===============1966745072== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1966745072==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 14 15:06:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRYmx-0004Ag-7i; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:05:31 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRYmw-0004AZ-MJ for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:05:30 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRYmv-0007oR-CC for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:05:30 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id l2EJ5MeH021304 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:05:24 -0400 Received: (from defang@localhost) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id l2EJ3xwA021029 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:03:59 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id l2EJ3x89021027; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.237.232.131] (vpn-10-25-4-28.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.28]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l2EJ3xmP014942; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:03:59 -0400 Message-ID: <45F846D2.6070005@cert.org> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:02:42 -0400 From: Brian Trammell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] Sequence Number in protocol-24 References: <20070301094211.80b4uhitc0ws44ck@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> <45E8AFE9.7080602@cert.org> <61318.62.224.88.3.1173896934.squirrel@www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <61318.62.224.88.3.1173896934.squirrel@www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.2 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001008 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f60d0f7806b0c40781eee6b9cd0b2135 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1966745072==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1966745072== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigDA5507AE70B35BC718F29691" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigDA5507AE70B35BC718F29691 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gerhard, In short, I agree. Specific comments inline: Gerhard Muenz wrote: >=20 > There are two other inconsistencies (or am I wrong?): >=20 > (i) Concerning the value of the Sequence Number: >=20 > 3.1: "IPFIX Data Records sent" > 10.3.2: "IPFIX Data Records received" > 10.4.2.1: "IPFIX Data Records received" >=20 > I think it is better to always write "IPFIX Data Records sent" because = the > field is set by the exporter and not by the collector. Agreed. (Also, in 10.3.2 para 2, the document scopes the sequence number to a "UDP association", which should be a "UDP Transport Session"). > (ii) There seem to be three different writings for the Sequence Number = in > protocol-24: >=20 > "IPFIX Message sequence number" > "Sequence Number" > "IPFIX Sequence Number" > "sequence number" >=20 > Maybe we should only use "Sequence Number" and "IPFIX Sequence Number" > when a specific discrimination from other transport layer sequence numb= ers > is required. The protocol document does not appear to mention TCP Sequence or SCTP Transport Sequence or Stream Sequence numbers, so omitting "IPFIX" from "Sequence Number" within the document is acceptable (especially in paragraphs and/or short sections mentioning the sequence number more than once). However, "IPFIX Message sequence number" would seem to imply that the numbers increment per message, not per record. So, yes, I'd agree that we should use "[IPFIX] Sequence Number" everywhere. Regards, Brian --------------enigDA5507AE70B35BC718F29691 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF+Ebi4/8LCZ4pwvYRAgPEAKC0x9L5bis9Kjit0ByEiArufXVqxQCg0hOC 7E2tRgULQhtSgzfvklaJCIw= =IHNu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigDA5507AE70B35BC718F29691-- --===============1966745072== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1966745072==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 14 15:28:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRZ98-0008S6-Nv; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:28:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRZ98-0008S1-0K for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:28:26 -0400 Received: from mx05.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRZ96-0002Lr-BT for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:28:25 -0400 Received: from u-173-c251.cs.uni-tuebingen.de (u-173-c251.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.173.251]) by mx05.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2EJSDjt005111; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:28:14 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de ident=www-data) by u-173-c251.cs.uni-tuebingen.de with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HRZ8w-000111-05; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:28:14 +0100 Received: from 62.224.88.3 (SquirrelMail authenticated user muenz) by www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:28:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <61407.62.224.88.3.1173900494.squirrel@www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <20070301094211.80b4uhitc0ws44ck@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> References: <20070301094211.80b4uhitc0ws44ck@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:28:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today From: "Gerhard Muenz" To: "Nevil Brownlee" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear all, Here are some more comments: 3.1/4.1: If no Template soon becomes available the event should be logged and the Transport Session reset, since the data cannot be interpreted. The reset will cause Templates to be resent. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.1-5; AVE: 7.3.1.43; VDF: 6.38.0.56; host: mx05) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx05.uni-tuebingen.de id l2EJSDjt005111 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0770535483960d190d4a0d020e7060bd Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, Here are some more comments: 3.1/4.1: If no Template soon becomes available the event should be logged and the Transport Session reset, since the data cannot be interpreted. The reset will cause Templates to be resent. How can a collector reset a UDP Transport Session? UDP is probably the transport protocol where most Templates losses occur, so does a reset forced by the Collector really help? 3.3: It is possible to specify a scope within a single Option Template which only affects option data corresponding to that Option Template and does not affect the scope of any other Option, Template or Data (i.e. just because some data is scoped in one Option Template doesn't necessarily mean that the same scope also applies for the same data in other Option Templates). I do not understand this paragraph (maybe I'm too stupid :( ). 3.3: Note that it is sometimes necessary to export information about entities that exist outside any observation domain, or within multiple Observation Domains (e.g. information about Metering Processes scoped to meteringProcessID). It is recommended to export such information in an IPFIX Message with Observation Domain ID 0. Can this be a recommendation if it is already standardized by protocol-24= , sec. 3.1: The Observation Domain ID SHOULD be 0 when no specific Observation Domain ID is relevant for the entire IPFIX Message. For example, when exporting the Exporting Process Statistics, or in case of hierarchy of Collector when aggregated data records are exported. 3.5: The IPFIX Protocol defines the maximum message size for IPFIX Messages transported over UDP to be constrained by the path MTU, or if the path MTU is not available, 576 bytes (the minimum datagram size all IP implementations MUST support). There is an important point in 8.4 you should refer to in 3.5: Note that the selection of IPFIX message sizes for DTLS over UDP must account for overhead per packet introduced by the DTLS layer. 4.5.2: There isn't any means for aligning Information Element specifiers within Template Records, but there is a limited need for it and Information Element specifiers are aligned to 32-bit address boundaries anyway. To me, the second half of the sentence sounds as if there was still a certain need for this kind of alignment. Maybe: "... but there is only a limited need for it..." or: "... but there is no real need for it..." 6.1: The citation from protocol-24 has changed !!! Now it is: Template Sets and Option Template Sets SHOULD be sent on the SCTP stream zero. Template Sets and Option Template Sets MUST be sent reliably. I propose to emphasize more on this important implementation aspect since the reliable transport of Templates is one of the main advantages of SCTP= ! There is a side-effect: "A simple system might use just one data stream for all the exported data." This implies that the all IPFIX messages are sent over one reliable strea= m! 10.2: [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process MAY insert some padding octets to align Information Elements within a Data Record. The padding length MUST be shorter than any allowable Record in that set. Mistake! The padding octets are used to align the next Set, not the Information Elements. 10.3: ... There is no way to tell that this is wrong, if it wasn't meant as an enterprise-specific Information Element. So what should the implementer do to prevent this? 10.4: Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting Process. ... The collecting process does not know in advance which Template ID a particular Template will use. Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very clear from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any specific Template IDs. Best regards, Gerhard On Wed, February 28, 2007 9:42 pm, Nevil Brownlee said: > > Hi All: > > The 'IPFIX Implementations Guidelines' draft (-02) is now ready > for WG last call, so we'll start that today. It will end on Saturday, > 17 March, just before the Prague IETF meeting. > > Cheers, Nevil > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz > > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix > --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz Computer Networks and Internet Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science University of Tuebingen Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 14 15:28:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRZ98-0008S6-Nv; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:28:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRZ98-0008S1-0K for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:28:26 -0400 Received: from mx05.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRZ96-0002Lr-BT for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:28:25 -0400 Received: from u-173-c251.cs.uni-tuebingen.de (u-173-c251.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.173.251]) by mx05.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2EJSDjt005111; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:28:14 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de ident=www-data) by u-173-c251.cs.uni-tuebingen.de with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HRZ8w-000111-05; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:28:14 +0100 Received: from 62.224.88.3 (SquirrelMail authenticated user muenz) by www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:28:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <61407.62.224.88.3.1173900494.squirrel@www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <20070301094211.80b4uhitc0ws44ck@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> References: <20070301094211.80b4uhitc0ws44ck@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:28:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today From: "Gerhard Muenz" To: "Nevil Brownlee" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear all, Here are some more comments: 3.1/4.1: If no Template soon becomes available the event should be logged and the Transport Session reset, since the data cannot be interpreted. The reset will cause Templates to be resent. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.1-5; AVE: 7.3.1.43; VDF: 6.38.0.56; host: mx05) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx05.uni-tuebingen.de id l2EJSDjt005111 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0770535483960d190d4a0d020e7060bd Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, Here are some more comments: 3.1/4.1: If no Template soon becomes available the event should be logged and the Transport Session reset, since the data cannot be interpreted. The reset will cause Templates to be resent. How can a collector reset a UDP Transport Session? UDP is probably the transport protocol where most Templates losses occur, so does a reset forced by the Collector really help? 3.3: It is possible to specify a scope within a single Option Template which only affects option data corresponding to that Option Template and does not affect the scope of any other Option, Template or Data (i.e. just because some data is scoped in one Option Template doesn't necessarily mean that the same scope also applies for the same data in other Option Templates). I do not understand this paragraph (maybe I'm too stupid :( ). 3.3: Note that it is sometimes necessary to export information about entities that exist outside any observation domain, or within multiple Observation Domains (e.g. information about Metering Processes scoped to meteringProcessID). It is recommended to export such information in an IPFIX Message with Observation Domain ID 0. Can this be a recommendation if it is already standardized by protocol-24= , sec. 3.1: The Observation Domain ID SHOULD be 0 when no specific Observation Domain ID is relevant for the entire IPFIX Message. For example, when exporting the Exporting Process Statistics, or in case of hierarchy of Collector when aggregated data records are exported. 3.5: The IPFIX Protocol defines the maximum message size for IPFIX Messages transported over UDP to be constrained by the path MTU, or if the path MTU is not available, 576 bytes (the minimum datagram size all IP implementations MUST support). There is an important point in 8.4 you should refer to in 3.5: Note that the selection of IPFIX message sizes for DTLS over UDP must account for overhead per packet introduced by the DTLS layer. 4.5.2: There isn't any means for aligning Information Element specifiers within Template Records, but there is a limited need for it and Information Element specifiers are aligned to 32-bit address boundaries anyway. To me, the second half of the sentence sounds as if there was still a certain need for this kind of alignment. Maybe: "... but there is only a limited need for it..." or: "... but there is no real need for it..." 6.1: The citation from protocol-24 has changed !!! Now it is: Template Sets and Option Template Sets SHOULD be sent on the SCTP stream zero. Template Sets and Option Template Sets MUST be sent reliably. I propose to emphasize more on this important implementation aspect since the reliable transport of Templates is one of the main advantages of SCTP= ! There is a side-effect: "A simple system might use just one data stream for all the exported data." This implies that the all IPFIX messages are sent over one reliable strea= m! 10.2: [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process MAY insert some padding octets to align Information Elements within a Data Record. The padding length MUST be shorter than any allowable Record in that set. Mistake! The padding octets are used to align the next Set, not the Information Elements. 10.3: ... There is no way to tell that this is wrong, if it wasn't meant as an enterprise-specific Information Element. So what should the implementer do to prevent this? 10.4: Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting Process. ... The collecting process does not know in advance which Template ID a particular Template will use. Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very clear from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any specific Template IDs. Best regards, Gerhard On Wed, February 28, 2007 9:42 pm, Nevil Brownlee said: > > Hi All: > > The 'IPFIX Implementations Guidelines' draft (-02) is now ready > for WG last call, so we'll start that today. It will end on Saturday, > 17 March, just before the Prague IETF meeting. > > Cheers, Nevil > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz > > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix > --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz Computer Networks and Internet Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science University of Tuebingen Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 14 16:43:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRaIE-0004iK-EW; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:41:54 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRaID-0004iE-HX for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:41:53 -0400 Received: from curly.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.10.123] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRaIC-0000UT-3Z for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:41:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4001E9C35F for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:41:48 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (curly.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z9HijYxabKxT for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:41:48 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.191.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0599C3C8 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:41:46 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2EKfjGs027847 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:41:45 +1300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l2EKfjsV027846 for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:41:45 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz: apache set sender to nevil@auckland.ac.nz using -f Received: from nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) by webmail.auckland.ac.nz (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:41:45 +1300 Message-ID: <20070315094145.kk7cdzcxstcg80c4@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:41:45 +1300 From: Nevil Brownlee To: ipfix@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Subject: [IPFIX] Agenda material please X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: So far very few of the people I listed in the IPFIX Agenda for Prague have sent me any presentation material (slides). If you have them, please send them to either me or Juergen (I'll be travelling and out of email contact for the next few days) so that we can put a copy on the 'Meeting Materials' web page. Thanks, Nevil ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 14 16:43:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRaIE-0004iK-EW; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:41:54 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRaID-0004iE-HX for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:41:53 -0400 Received: from curly.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.10.123] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRaIC-0000UT-3Z for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:41:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4001E9C35F for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:41:48 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (curly.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z9HijYxabKxT for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:41:48 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.191.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0599C3C8 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:41:46 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2EKfjGs027847 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:41:45 +1300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l2EKfjsV027846 for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:41:45 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz: apache set sender to nevil@auckland.ac.nz using -f Received: from nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) by webmail.auckland.ac.nz (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:41:45 +1300 Message-ID: <20070315094145.kk7cdzcxstcg80c4@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:41:45 +1300 From: Nevil Brownlee To: ipfix@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Subject: [IPFIX] Agenda material please X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: So far very few of the people I listed in the IPFIX Agenda for Prague have sent me any presentation material (slides). If you have them, please send them to either me or Juergen (I'll be travelling and out of email contact for the next few days) so that we can put a copy on the 'Meeting Materials' web page. 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Astonished that you have returned to go
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([193.39.227.51]) by MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:52:04 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:50:48 -0000 Message-ID: <3167F18F59B81B4888A4D4C0A1717DD6670FAC@mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines Thread-Index: AcdnEVGBFH/lzgExRpKKpoT/KfG1nA== From: "Boschi, Elisa" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2007 14:52:04.0009 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EA36190:01C76711] X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by HEU SPAM Firewall - MHD at hitachi-eu.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 42e3ed3f10a1d8bef690f09da16f507a Cc: "Boschi, Elisa" , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1114731572==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1114731572== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76711.7E4D2C4F" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76711.7E4D2C4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gerhard, ... >> >> what about changing the second paragraph of 4.1 to: >> >> "A Data Set received with an unknown Set ID MAY be stored pending the >> arrival of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of = [IPFIX-INFO]). If >> no Template becomes available, the event should be logged and the >> Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates to be resent. = The >> amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a Template before >> resetting SHOULD be configurable. >> We recommend a default of 30 minutes. Note that when using UDP as the >> transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be bound, when possible, by the >> Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry times (cf. Section 6.2)." >> >=20 > The paragraph in 4.1 is a repetition of the first paragraph in 3.1. I = have > no problem with this redundancy - repeating important issues can make > things clearer. But 3.1 is missing the timing information. So you = should > also mention the timings in 3.1 or refer to 4.1 for further = information. > you're right. I've added the missing information to 3.1. The first paragraph of 3.1 is now: "The Exporting Process should always endeavour to send Template Records = before the related Data Records. However, since the Template Record may = not arrive before the corresponding Data Records, the Collecting Process = MAY store Data Records with an unknown Template ID pending the arrival = of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of = [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol]). =20 If no Template becomes available, the event SHOULD be logged and the = Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates to be resent. = The amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a Template before = resetting SHOULD be configurable. We recommend a default of 30 minutes.=20 Note that when using UDP as the transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be = bound, when possible, by the Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry = times (cf. Section 6.2)."=20 Thanks, Elisa =20 > Regards, > Gerhard >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76711.7E4D2C4F Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines

Hi Gerhard,

...
>>
>> what about changing the second paragraph of 4.1 to:
>>
>> "A Data Set received with an unknown Set ID MAY be stored = pending the
>> arrival of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of  = [IPFIX-INFO]). If
>> no Template becomes available, the event should be logged and = the
>> Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates to be = resent. The
>> amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a Template = before
>> resetting SHOULD be configurable.
>> We recommend a default of 30 minutes. Note that when using UDP = as the
>> transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be bound, when possible, = by the
>> Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry times (cf. Section = 6.2)."
>>
>
> The paragraph in 4.1 is a repetition of the first paragraph in 3.1. = I have
> no problem with this redundancy - repeating important issues can = make
> things clearer. But 3.1 is missing the timing information. So you = should
> also mention the timings in 3.1 or refer to 4.1 for further = information.
>

you're right. I've added the missing information to 3.1.
The first paragraph of 3.1 is now:

"The Exporting Process should always endeavour to send Template = Records before the related Data Records.  However, since the = Template Record may not arrive before the corresponding Data Records, = the Collecting Process MAY store Data Records with an unknown Template = ID pending the arrival of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of = [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol]). 
If no Template becomes available, the event SHOULD be logged and the = Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates to be resent. = The amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a Template before = resetting SHOULD be configurable. We recommend a default of 30 = minutes.
Note that when using UDP as the transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be = bound, when possible, by the Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry = times (cf. Section 6.2)."

Thanks,
Elisa


> Regards,
> Gerhard
>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C76711.7E4D2C4F-- --===============1114731572== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1114731572==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 15 10:54:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRrJt-0006kC-VT; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:52:45 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRrJs-0006k7-UZ for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:52:44 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com ([194.36.128.25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRrJl-0003nz-8d for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:52:44 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1173970324-236b009a0000-urGyNO X-Barracuda-URL: http://mhd-bar.hitachi-eu.com:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: primary.hitachi-eu.net[193.39.225.234] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1173970324 X-ASG-Whitelist: Client Received: from mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com (primary.hitachi-eu.net [193.39.225.234]) by gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 7C8BC8516 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:52:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com (Not Verified[193.39.227.52]) by mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com with MailMarshal (v6, 1, 8, 2172) id ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:56:00 +0000 Received: from mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com ([193.39.227.51]) by MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:52:04 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:50:48 -0000 Message-ID: <3167F18F59B81B4888A4D4C0A1717DD6670FAC@mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines Thread-Index: AcdnEVGBFH/lzgExRpKKpoT/KfG1nA== From: "Boschi, Elisa" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2007 14:52:04.0009 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EA36190:01C76711] X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by HEU SPAM Firewall - MHD at hitachi-eu.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 42e3ed3f10a1d8bef690f09da16f507a Cc: "Boschi, Elisa" , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1114731572==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1114731572== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76711.7E4D2C4F" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76711.7E4D2C4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gerhard, ... >> >> what about changing the second paragraph of 4.1 to: >> >> "A Data Set received with an unknown Set ID MAY be stored pending the >> arrival of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of = [IPFIX-INFO]). If >> no Template becomes available, the event should be logged and the >> Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates to be resent. = The >> amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a Template before >> resetting SHOULD be configurable. >> We recommend a default of 30 minutes. Note that when using UDP as the >> transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be bound, when possible, by the >> Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry times (cf. Section 6.2)." >> >=20 > The paragraph in 4.1 is a repetition of the first paragraph in 3.1. I = have > no problem with this redundancy - repeating important issues can make > things clearer. But 3.1 is missing the timing information. So you = should > also mention the timings in 3.1 or refer to 4.1 for further = information. > you're right. I've added the missing information to 3.1. The first paragraph of 3.1 is now: "The Exporting Process should always endeavour to send Template Records = before the related Data Records. However, since the Template Record may = not arrive before the corresponding Data Records, the Collecting Process = MAY store Data Records with an unknown Template ID pending the arrival = of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of = [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol]). =20 If no Template becomes available, the event SHOULD be logged and the = Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates to be resent. = The amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a Template before = resetting SHOULD be configurable. We recommend a default of 30 minutes.=20 Note that when using UDP as the transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be = bound, when possible, by the Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry = times (cf. Section 6.2)."=20 Thanks, Elisa =20 > Regards, > Gerhard >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76711.7E4D2C4F Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines

Hi Gerhard,

...
>>
>> what about changing the second paragraph of 4.1 to:
>>
>> "A Data Set received with an unknown Set ID MAY be stored = pending the
>> arrival of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of  = [IPFIX-INFO]). If
>> no Template becomes available, the event should be logged and = the
>> Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates to be = resent. The
>> amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a Template = before
>> resetting SHOULD be configurable.
>> We recommend a default of 30 minutes. Note that when using UDP = as the
>> transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be bound, when possible, = by the
>> Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry times (cf. Section = 6.2)."
>>
>
> The paragraph in 4.1 is a repetition of the first paragraph in 3.1. = I have
> no problem with this redundancy - repeating important issues can = make
> things clearer. But 3.1 is missing the timing information. So you = should
> also mention the timings in 3.1 or refer to 4.1 for further = information.
>

you're right. I've added the missing information to 3.1.
The first paragraph of 3.1 is now:

"The Exporting Process should always endeavour to send Template = Records before the related Data Records.  However, since the = Template Record may not arrive before the corresponding Data Records, = the Collecting Process MAY store Data Records with an unknown Template = ID pending the arrival of the corresponding Template (cf. section 9 of = [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol]). 
If no Template becomes available, the event SHOULD be logged and the = Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates to be resent. = The amount of time the Collecting Process waits for a Template before = resetting SHOULD be configurable. We recommend a default of 30 = minutes.
Note that when using UDP as the transport protocol, this delay SHOULD be = bound, when possible, by the Template Retransmit and the Template Expiry = times (cf. Section 6.2)."

Thanks,
Elisa


> Regards,
> Gerhard
>

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The reset will cause Templates to be > resent. >=20 > How can a collector reset a UDP Transport Session? UDP is probably the > transport protocol where most Templates losses occur, so does a reset > forced by the Collector really help? ok, so: If no Template becomes available, the event SHOULD be logged and, unless = UDP is used, the Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates = to be resent. >=20 >=20 > 3.3: > It is possible to specify a scope within a single Option Template > which only affects option data corresponding to that Option = Template > and does not affect the scope of any other Option, Template or Data > (i.e. just because some data is scoped in one Option Template = doesn't > necessarily mean that the same scope also applies for the same data > in other Option Templates). >=20 > I do not understand this paragraph (maybe I'm too stupid :( ). >=20 would someone object to remove it? >=20 > 3.3: > Note that it is sometimes necessary to export information about > entities that exist outside any observation domain, or within > multiple Observation Domains (e.g. information about Metering > Processes scoped to meteringProcessID). It is recommended to = export > such information in an IPFIX Message with Observation Domain ID 0. >=20 > Can this be a recommendation if it is already standardized by = protocol-24, > sec. 3.1: >=20 > The Observation Domain ID > SHOULD be 0 when no specific Observation Domain ID is > relevant for the entire IPFIX Message. For example, when > exporting the Exporting Process Statistics, or in case of > hierarchy of Collector when aggregated data records are > exported. >=20 yes, we should modiy the last sentence to "Such information SHOULD be = exported in an IPFIX Message with Observation Domain ID 0" >=20 > 3.5: > The IPFIX Protocol defines the maximum message size for IPFIX > Messages transported over UDP to be constrained by the path MTU, or > if the path MTU is not available, 576 bytes (the minimum datagram > size all IP implementations MUST support). >=20 > There is an important point in 8.4 you should refer to in 3.5: > Note that the selection of IPFIX message sizes for DTLS over UDP = must > account for overhead per packet introduced by the DTLS layer. >=20 done. > 6.1: > The citation from protocol-24 has changed !!! Now it is: >=20 > Template Sets and Option Template Sets SHOULD be sent on the SCTP > stream zero. Template Sets and Option Template Sets MUST be sent > reliably. >=20 > I propose to emphasize more on this important implementation aspect = since > the reliable transport of Templates is one of the main advantages of = SCTP! > There is a side-effect: > "A simple system might use just one data stream for all the = exported > data." > This implies that the all IPFIX messages are sent over one reliable = stream! >=20 > 6.1 has changed quite a bit and the new version should address your = concerns... more about this in the next days Regards, Elisa =20 > 10.2: > [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process MAY > insert some padding octets to align Information Elements within a > Data Record. The padding length MUST be shorter than any allowable > Record in that set. >=20 > Mistake! The padding octets are used to align the next Set, not the > Information Elements. >=20 >=20 > 10.3: > ... There is no way to tell that this is wrong, > if it wasn't meant as an enterprise-specific Information Element. >=20 > So what should the implementer do to prevent this? >=20 >=20 > 10.4: > Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting Process. > ... The collecting process > does not know in advance which Template ID a particular Template = will > use. >=20 > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very = clear > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any specific > Template IDs. >=20 >=20 > Best regards, > Gerhard >=20 >=20 > On Wed, February 28, 2007 9:42 pm, Nevil Brownlee said: >> Hi All: >> >> The 'IPFIX Implementations Guidelines' draft (-02) is now ready >> for WG last call, so we'll start that today. It will end on = Saturday, >> 17 March, just before the Prague IETF meeting. >> >> Cheers, Nevil >> >> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS >> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland >> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >> >> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This mail sent through University of Auckland = http://www.auckland.ac.nz >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IPFIX mailing list >> IPFIX@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >> >=20 >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7671B.00AB822D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts = today (2)

Hi Gerhard,

>
> Here are some more comments:
>
> 3.1/4.1:
>    If no Template soon becomes available
>    the event should be logged and the Transport = Session reset, since the
>    data cannot be interpreted.  The reset will = cause Templates to be
>    resent.
>
> How can a collector reset a UDP Transport Session? UDP is probably = the
> transport protocol where most Templates losses occur, so does a = reset
> forced  by the Collector really help?

ok, so:

If no Template becomes available, the event SHOULD be logged and, unless = UDP is used, the Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates = to be resent.


>
>
> 3.3:
>    It is possible to specify a scope within a single = Option Template
>    which only affects option data corresponding to = that Option Template
>    and does not affect the scope of any other = Option, Template or Data
>    (i.e. just because some data is scoped in one = Option Template doesn't
>    necessarily mean that the same scope also applies = for the same data
>    in other Option Templates).
>
> I do not understand this paragraph (maybe I'm too stupid :( ).
>


would someone object to remove it?


>
> 3.3:
>    Note that it is sometimes necessary to export = information about
>    entities that exist outside any observation = domain, or within
>    multiple Observation Domains (e.g. information = about Metering
>    Processes scoped to meteringProcessID).  It = is recommended to export
>    such information in an IPFIX Message with = Observation Domain ID 0.
>
> Can this be a recommendation if it is already standardized by = protocol-24,
> sec. 3.1:
>
>            = The Observation Domain ID
>            = SHOULD be 0 when no specific Observation Domain ID is
>            = relevant for the entire IPFIX Message.  For example, when
>            = exporting the Exporting Process Statistics, or in case of
>            = hierarchy of Collector when aggregated data records are
>            = exported.
>

yes, we should modiy the last sentence to "Such information SHOULD = be exported in an IPFIX Message with Observation Domain ID 0"


>
> 3.5:
>    The IPFIX Protocol defines the maximum message = size for IPFIX
>    Messages transported over UDP to be constrained = by the path MTU, or
>    if the path MTU is not available, 576 bytes (the = minimum datagram
>    size all IP implementations MUST support).
>
> There is an important point in 8.4 you should refer to in 3.5:
>    Note that the selection of IPFIX message sizes = for DTLS over UDP must
>    account for overhead per packet introduced by the = DTLS layer.
>

done.


> 6.1:
> The citation from protocol-24 has changed !!! Now it is:
>
>    Template Sets and Option Template Sets SHOULD be = sent on the SCTP
>    stream zero. Template Sets and Option Template = Sets MUST be sent
>    reliably.
>
> I propose to emphasize more on this important implementation aspect = since
> the reliable transport of Templates is one of the main advantages = of SCTP!
> There is a side-effect:
>    "A simple system might use just one data = stream for all the exported
>    data."
> This implies that the all IPFIX messages are sent over one reliable = stream!
>
>

6.1 has changed quite a bit and the new version should address your = concerns... more about this in the next days



Regards,
Elisa





> 10.2:
>    [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the = Exporting Process MAY
>    insert some padding octets to align Information = Elements within a
>    Data Record.  The padding length MUST be = shorter than any allowable
>    Record in that set.
>
> Mistake! The padding octets are used to align the next Set, not = the
> Information Elements.
>
>
> 10.3:
>    ... There is no way to tell that this is = wrong,
>    if it wasn't meant as an enterprise-specific = Information Element.
>
> So what should the implementer do to prevent this?
>
>
> 10.4:
>    Template IDs are generated as required by the = Exporting Process.
>    ...  The collecting process
>    does not know in advance which Template ID a = particular Template will
>    use.
>
> Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very = clear
> from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any = specific
> Template IDs.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Gerhard
>
>
> On Wed, February 28, 2007 9:42 pm, Nevil Brownlee said:
>> Hi All:
>>
>> The 'IPFIX Implementations Guidelines' draft (-02) is now = ready
>> for WG last call, so we'll start that today.  It will end = on Saturday,
>> 17 March, just before the Prague IETF meeting.
>>
>> Cheers, Nevil
>>
>> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>   Nevil = Brownlee           = ;         Computer Science = Department | ITS
>>   Phone: +64 9 373 7599 = x88941           &= nbsp; The University of Auckland
>>   FAX: +64 9 373 7453   Private Bag 92019, = Auckland 1142, New Zealand
>>
>> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> IPFIX mailing list
>> IPFIX@ietf.org
>> https://www1.ietf.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/ipfix
>>
>
>

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The reset will cause Templates to be > resent. >=20 > How can a collector reset a UDP Transport Session? UDP is probably the > transport protocol where most Templates losses occur, so does a reset > forced by the Collector really help? ok, so: If no Template becomes available, the event SHOULD be logged and, unless = UDP is used, the Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates = to be resent. >=20 >=20 > 3.3: > It is possible to specify a scope within a single Option Template > which only affects option data corresponding to that Option = Template > and does not affect the scope of any other Option, Template or Data > (i.e. just because some data is scoped in one Option Template = doesn't > necessarily mean that the same scope also applies for the same data > in other Option Templates). >=20 > I do not understand this paragraph (maybe I'm too stupid :( ). >=20 would someone object to remove it? >=20 > 3.3: > Note that it is sometimes necessary to export information about > entities that exist outside any observation domain, or within > multiple Observation Domains (e.g. information about Metering > Processes scoped to meteringProcessID). It is recommended to = export > such information in an IPFIX Message with Observation Domain ID 0. >=20 > Can this be a recommendation if it is already standardized by = protocol-24, > sec. 3.1: >=20 > The Observation Domain ID > SHOULD be 0 when no specific Observation Domain ID is > relevant for the entire IPFIX Message. For example, when > exporting the Exporting Process Statistics, or in case of > hierarchy of Collector when aggregated data records are > exported. >=20 yes, we should modiy the last sentence to "Such information SHOULD be = exported in an IPFIX Message with Observation Domain ID 0" >=20 > 3.5: > The IPFIX Protocol defines the maximum message size for IPFIX > Messages transported over UDP to be constrained by the path MTU, or > if the path MTU is not available, 576 bytes (the minimum datagram > size all IP implementations MUST support). >=20 > There is an important point in 8.4 you should refer to in 3.5: > Note that the selection of IPFIX message sizes for DTLS over UDP = must > account for overhead per packet introduced by the DTLS layer. >=20 done. > 6.1: > The citation from protocol-24 has changed !!! Now it is: >=20 > Template Sets and Option Template Sets SHOULD be sent on the SCTP > stream zero. Template Sets and Option Template Sets MUST be sent > reliably. >=20 > I propose to emphasize more on this important implementation aspect = since > the reliable transport of Templates is one of the main advantages of = SCTP! > There is a side-effect: > "A simple system might use just one data stream for all the = exported > data." > This implies that the all IPFIX messages are sent over one reliable = stream! >=20 > 6.1 has changed quite a bit and the new version should address your = concerns... more about this in the next days Regards, Elisa =20 > 10.2: > [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process MAY > insert some padding octets to align Information Elements within a > Data Record. The padding length MUST be shorter than any allowable > Record in that set. >=20 > Mistake! The padding octets are used to align the next Set, not the > Information Elements. >=20 >=20 > 10.3: > ... There is no way to tell that this is wrong, > if it wasn't meant as an enterprise-specific Information Element. >=20 > So what should the implementer do to prevent this? >=20 >=20 > 10.4: > Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting Process. > ... The collecting process > does not know in advance which Template ID a particular Template = will > use. >=20 > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very = clear > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any specific > Template IDs. >=20 >=20 > Best regards, > Gerhard >=20 >=20 > On Wed, February 28, 2007 9:42 pm, Nevil Brownlee said: >> Hi All: >> >> The 'IPFIX Implementations Guidelines' draft (-02) is now ready >> for WG last call, so we'll start that today. It will end on = Saturday, >> 17 March, just before the Prague IETF meeting. >> >> Cheers, Nevil >> >> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS >> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland >> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >> >> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This mail sent through University of Auckland = http://www.auckland.ac.nz >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IPFIX mailing list >> IPFIX@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >> >=20 >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7671B.00AB822D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts = today (2)

Hi Gerhard,

>
> Here are some more comments:
>
> 3.1/4.1:
>    If no Template soon becomes available
>    the event should be logged and the Transport = Session reset, since the
>    data cannot be interpreted.  The reset will = cause Templates to be
>    resent.
>
> How can a collector reset a UDP Transport Session? UDP is probably = the
> transport protocol where most Templates losses occur, so does a = reset
> forced  by the Collector really help?

ok, so:

If no Template becomes available, the event SHOULD be logged and, unless = UDP is used, the Transport Session reset, which will cause the Templates = to be resent.


>
>
> 3.3:
>    It is possible to specify a scope within a single = Option Template
>    which only affects option data corresponding to = that Option Template
>    and does not affect the scope of any other = Option, Template or Data
>    (i.e. just because some data is scoped in one = Option Template doesn't
>    necessarily mean that the same scope also applies = for the same data
>    in other Option Templates).
>
> I do not understand this paragraph (maybe I'm too stupid :( ).
>


would someone object to remove it?


>
> 3.3:
>    Note that it is sometimes necessary to export = information about
>    entities that exist outside any observation = domain, or within
>    multiple Observation Domains (e.g. information = about Metering
>    Processes scoped to meteringProcessID).  It = is recommended to export
>    such information in an IPFIX Message with = Observation Domain ID 0.
>
> Can this be a recommendation if it is already standardized by = protocol-24,
> sec. 3.1:
>
>            = The Observation Domain ID
>            = SHOULD be 0 when no specific Observation Domain ID is
>            = relevant for the entire IPFIX Message.  For example, when
>            = exporting the Exporting Process Statistics, or in case of
>            = hierarchy of Collector when aggregated data records are
>            = exported.
>

yes, we should modiy the last sentence to "Such information SHOULD = be exported in an IPFIX Message with Observation Domain ID 0"


>
> 3.5:
>    The IPFIX Protocol defines the maximum message = size for IPFIX
>    Messages transported over UDP to be constrained = by the path MTU, or
>    if the path MTU is not available, 576 bytes (the = minimum datagram
>    size all IP implementations MUST support).
>
> There is an important point in 8.4 you should refer to in 3.5:
>    Note that the selection of IPFIX message sizes = for DTLS over UDP must
>    account for overhead per packet introduced by the = DTLS layer.
>

done.


> 6.1:
> The citation from protocol-24 has changed !!! Now it is:
>
>    Template Sets and Option Template Sets SHOULD be = sent on the SCTP
>    stream zero. Template Sets and Option Template = Sets MUST be sent
>    reliably.
>
> I propose to emphasize more on this important implementation aspect = since
> the reliable transport of Templates is one of the main advantages = of SCTP!
> There is a side-effect:
>    "A simple system might use just one data = stream for all the exported
>    data."
> This implies that the all IPFIX messages are sent over one reliable = stream!
>
>

6.1 has changed quite a bit and the new version should address your = concerns... more about this in the next days



Regards,
Elisa





> 10.2:
>    [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the = Exporting Process MAY
>    insert some padding octets to align Information = Elements within a
>    Data Record.  The padding length MUST be = shorter than any allowable
>    Record in that set.
>
> Mistake! The padding octets are used to align the next Set, not = the
> Information Elements.
>
>
> 10.3:
>    ... There is no way to tell that this is = wrong,
>    if it wasn't meant as an enterprise-specific = Information Element.
>
> So what should the implementer do to prevent this?
>
>
> 10.4:
>    Template IDs are generated as required by the = Exporting Process.
>    ...  The collecting process
>    does not know in advance which Template ID a = particular Template will
>    use.
>
> Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very = clear
> from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any = specific
> Template IDs.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Gerhard
>
>
> On Wed, February 28, 2007 9:42 pm, Nevil Brownlee said:
>> Hi All:
>>
>> The 'IPFIX Implementations Guidelines' draft (-02) is now = ready
>> for WG last call, so we'll start that today.  It will end = on Saturday,
>> 17 March, just before the Prague IETF meeting.
>>
>> Cheers, Nevil
>>
>> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>   Nevil = Brownlee           = ;         Computer Science = Department | ITS
>>   Phone: +64 9 373 7599 = x88941           &= nbsp; The University of Auckland
>>   FAX: +64 9 373 7453   Private Bag 92019, = Auckland 1142, New Zealand
>>
>> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> IPFIX mailing list
>> IPFIX@ietf.org
>> https://www1.ietf.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/ipfix
>>
>
>

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megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (@80'GHQ300+ Q,39)) id TO9,.:-T4V8O<-+* for i-d-announce@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 03:00:25 -0900 Message-ID: <01c76909$93587ae0$6c822ecf@a.degen> From: "Gena Blevins" To: Subject: Meaning of OEM Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 03:00:25 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C76955.034022E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 65215b440f7ab00ca9514de4a7a89926 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C76955.034022E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01C76955.034022E0" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C76955.034022E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That desire has ever built, have approachedXII. 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That desire has ever built, have approached
XII. The Mystery of=20= the Missing Ships: The Franklin Search
At four, the spectators leave=20= in pairs, off
and turn it into something cartoon-funny.
The high=20= whites spread over the buried earth.
In search of brighter green to=20= come. No way!
Shadows keep piling up as surfaces
But snow has=20= gathered there, has piled up,
That desire has ever built, have=20= approached
To run, as in the time of the bee, seeking
Rain. We are=20= forced to fly,
That only you and I can know. Les deux
One flash of=20= eye, or blow one clarion-blast;
Pierced by the mist that fades=20= away,
Down the long course of the gray slush of=20= things
demonstrating their talent for comedy=97stroke
And still my=20= mind goes groping in the mud to bring
Rise, to the muffled chime of=20= churchbell choir.
By bloody pool=97rattling, gasping his last.
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(Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Boschi, Elisa" Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.2 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001008 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6e922792024732fb1bb6f346e63517e4 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1838597961==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1838597961== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7A9FFCD98DF9E06E83FCE043" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7A9FFCD98DF9E06E83FCE043 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Elisa, Yes, looks good! Thanks, Brian Boschi, Elisa wrote: > Hi Brian, >=20 >> >> 3. Section 4.6 Time Issues, the first sentence in the second paragraph= >> is a little confusing. The issues with timing as I understand them are= : >> >> - precision of clock on the MP; >> >> - synchronization of clocks among MP, EP, and CP; and >> >> - synchronization of all of these to some global reference. >> >> The precision of the clock on the EP and its applicability to export >> time stamping would seem to be practically moot, because very few if a= ny >> EPs won't have at least a one second resolution real-time clock. So I >> don't see the issue with EP resolution and export time... >> >=20 >=20 > Would the following text at the beginning of paragraph two address yur > concerns? >=20 > "The accuracy and precision of these values depends on the accuracy and= the > precision of the Metering Process clock. The accuracy and precision of = the > Exporting Process clock, and the synchronisation of the Metering Proces= s and > Exporting Process clocks, is also important when using the delta timest= amp > Information Elements. To ensure accuracy the clocks SHOULD be synchroni= sed > to a UTC time source." >=20 >=20 > thanks, > Elisa >=20 >> >> Nevil Brownlee wrote: >>> Hi All: >>> >>> The 'IPFIX Implementations Guidelines' draft (-02) is now ready >>> for WG last call, so we'll start that today. 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Section 4.6 Time Issues, the first sentence in the second paragraph > is a little confusing. The issues with timing as I understand them = are: >=20 > - precision of clock on the MP; >=20 > - synchronization of clocks among MP, EP, and CP; and >=20 > - synchronization of all of these to some global reference. >=20 > The precision of the clock on the EP and its applicability to export > time stamping would seem to be practically moot, because very few if = any > EPs won't have at least a one second resolution real-time clock. So I > don't see the issue with EP resolution and export time... >=20 Would the following text at the beginning of paragraph two address yur = concerns? "The accuracy and precision of these values depends on the accuracy and = the=20 precision of the Metering Process clock. The accuracy and precision of = the=20 Exporting Process clock, and the synchronisation of the Metering Process = and=20 Exporting Process clocks, is also important when using the delta = timestamp=20 Information Elements. To ensure accuracy the clocks SHOULD be = synchronised=20 to a UTC time source." thanks, Elisa >=20 > Nevil Brownlee wrote: >> Hi All: >> >> The 'IPFIX Implementations Guidelines' draft (-02) is now ready >> for WG last call, so we'll start that today. It will end on = Saturday, >> 17 March, just before the Prague IETF meeting. >> >> Cheers, Nevil >> >> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS >> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland >> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >> >> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This mail sent through University of Auckland = http://www.auckland.ac.nz >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IPFIX mailing list >> IPFIX@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A35.B639240D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines

Hi Brian,

>
> 3. Section 4.6 Time Issues, the first sentence in the second = paragraph
> is a little confusing. The issues with timing as I understand them = are:
>
>  - precision of clock on the MP;
>
>  - synchronization of clocks among MP, EP, and CP; and
>
>  - synchronization of all of these to some global = reference.
>
> The precision of the clock on the EP and its applicability to = export
> time stamping would seem to be practically moot, because very few = if any
> EPs won't have at least a one second resolution real-time clock. So = I
> don't see the issue with EP resolution and export time...
>


Would the following text at the beginning of paragraph two address yur = concerns?

"The accuracy and precision of these values depends on the accuracy = and the
precision of the Metering Process clock. The accuracy and precision of = the
Exporting Process clock, and the synchronisation of the Metering Process = and
Exporting Process clocks, is also important when using the delta = timestamp
Information Elements. To ensure accuracy the clocks SHOULD be = synchronised
to a UTC time source."


thanks,
Elisa

>
> Nevil Brownlee wrote:
>> Hi All:
>>
>> The 'IPFIX Implementations Guidelines' draft (-02) is now = ready
>> for WG last call, so we'll start that today.  It will end = on Saturday,
>> 17 March, just before the Prague IETF meeting.
>>
>> Cheers, Nevil
>>
>> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>  Nevil = Brownlee           = ;         Computer Science = Department | ITS
>>  Phone: +64 9 373 7599 = x88941           &= nbsp; The University of Auckland
>>  FAX: +64 9 373 7453   Private Bag 92019, = Auckland 1142, New Zealand
>>
>> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> IPFIX@ietf.org
>> https://www1.ietf.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/ipfix
>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A35.B639240D-- --===============1020180519== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1020180519==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 10:54:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTJG5-0006AZ-UZ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:54:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTJG4-0006AQ-J3 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:54:48 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com ([194.36.128.25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTJG2-0005jD-HS for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:54:48 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1174316085-686f00660000-urGyNO X-Barracuda-URL: http://mhd-bar.hitachi-eu.com:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: primary.hitachi-eu.net[193.39.225.234] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1174316085 X-ASG-Whitelist: Client Received: from mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com (primary.hitachi-eu.net [193.39.225.234]) by gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id BE99512A0 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:54:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com (Not Verified[193.39.227.52]) by mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com with MailMarshal (v6, 1, 8, 2172) id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:58:48 +0000 Received: from mhdexcb.adhel.hitachi-eu.com ([193.39.227.47]) by MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:54:45 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:54:44 -0000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Thread-Index: AcdqNof8jqNRAbY5RaOF/KsT5GjBkQ== From: "Boschi, Elisa" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2007 14:54:45.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[885F3E70:01C76A36] X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by HEU SPAM Firewall - MHD at hitachi-eu.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 72dbfff5c6b8ad2b1b727c13be042129 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2052508393==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2052508393== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76A36.88034F59" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A36.88034F59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gerhard, this addresses the rest of your comments: >=20 > 10.2: > [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process MAY > insert some padding octets to align Information Elements within a > Data Record. The padding length MUST be shorter than any allowable > Record in that set. >=20 > Mistake! The padding octets are used to align the next Set, not the > Information Elements. > right, the sentence should be: [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process MAY insert some padding octets to align Data Sets within a Message. =20 >=20 > 10.3: > ... There is no way to tell that this is wrong, > if it wasn't meant as an enterprise-specific Information Element. >=20 > So what should the implementer do to prevent this? > we've rewritten this section for more clarity: "Information Element numbers in IPFIX have the range 0-32767. = Information Element numbers outside this range (i.e., with the high bit = set) are taken to be enterprise-specific Information Elements, which = have an additional four-byte Private Enterprise Number following the = Information Element number and length. Inadvertently setting the high = bit of the Information Element number by selecting a number out of this = range will therefore cause template scanning errors." =20 >=20 > 10.4: > Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting Process. > ... The collecting process > does not know in advance which Template ID a particular Template = will > use. >=20 > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very = clear > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any specific > Template IDs. >=20 Any objections to remove this section? thanks, Elisa >=20 > Best regards, > Gerhard >=20 >=20 > On Wed, February 28, 2007 9:42 pm, Nevil Brownlee said: >> Hi All: >> >> The 'IPFIX Implementations Guidelines' draft (-02) is now ready >> for WG last call, so we'll start that today. It will end on = Saturday, >> 17 March, just before the Prague IETF meeting. >> >> Cheers, Nevil >> >> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS >> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland >> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >> >> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This mail sent through University of Auckland = http://www.auckland.ac.nz >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IPFIX mailing list >> IPFIX@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >> >=20 >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A36.88034F59 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts = today

Hi Gerhard,

this addresses the rest of your comments:

>
> 10.2:
>    [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the = Exporting Process MAY
>    insert some padding octets to align Information = Elements within a
>    Data Record.  The padding length MUST be = shorter than any allowable
>    Record in that set.
>
> Mistake! The padding octets are used to align the next Set, not = the
> Information Elements.
>

right, the sentence should be:
[I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process MAY
insert some padding octets to align Data Sets within a Message.

>
> 10.3:
>    ... There is no way to tell that this is = wrong,
>    if it wasn't meant as an enterprise-specific = Information Element.
>
> So what should the implementer do to prevent this?
>

we've rewritten this section for more clarity:

"Information Element numbers in IPFIX have the range 0-32767. = Information Element numbers outside this range (i.e., with the high bit = set) are taken to be enterprise-specific Information Elements, which = have an additional four-byte Private Enterprise Number following the = Information Element number and length. Inadvertently setting the high = bit of the Information Element number by selecting a number out of this = range will therefore cause template scanning errors."

>
> 10.4:
>    Template IDs are generated as required by the = Exporting Process.
>    ...  The collecting process
>    does not know in advance which Template ID a = particular Template will
>    use.
>
> Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very = clear
> from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any = specific
> Template IDs.
>

Any objections to remove this section?

thanks,
Elisa


>
> Best regards,
> Gerhard
>
>
> On Wed, February 28, 2007 9:42 pm, Nevil Brownlee said:
>> Hi All:
>>
>> The 'IPFIX Implementations Guidelines' draft (-02) is now = ready
>> for WG last call, so we'll start that today.  It will end = on Saturday,
>> 17 March, just before the Prague IETF meeting.
>>
>> Cheers, Nevil
>>
>> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>   Nevil = Brownlee           = ;         Computer Science = Department | ITS
>>   Phone: +64 9 373 7599 = x88941           &= nbsp; The University of Auckland
>>   FAX: +64 9 373 7453   Private Bag 92019, = Auckland 1142, New Zealand
>>
>> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> IPFIX mailing list
>> IPFIX@ietf.org
>> https://www1.ietf.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/ipfix
>>
>
>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A36.88034F59-- --===============2052508393== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============2052508393==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 10:54:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTJG5-0006AZ-UZ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:54:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTJG4-0006AQ-J3 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:54:48 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com ([194.36.128.25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTJG2-0005jD-HS for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:54:48 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1174316085-686f00660000-urGyNO X-Barracuda-URL: http://mhd-bar.hitachi-eu.com:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: primary.hitachi-eu.net[193.39.225.234] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1174316085 X-ASG-Whitelist: Client Received: from mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com (primary.hitachi-eu.net [193.39.225.234]) by gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id BE99512A0 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:54:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com (Not Verified[193.39.227.52]) by mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com with MailMarshal (v6, 1, 8, 2172) id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:58:48 +0000 Received: from mhdexcb.adhel.hitachi-eu.com ([193.39.227.47]) by MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:54:45 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:54:44 -0000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Thread-Index: AcdqNof8jqNRAbY5RaOF/KsT5GjBkQ== From: "Boschi, Elisa" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2007 14:54:45.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[885F3E70:01C76A36] X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by HEU SPAM Firewall - MHD at hitachi-eu.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 72dbfff5c6b8ad2b1b727c13be042129 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2052508393==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2052508393== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76A36.88034F59" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A36.88034F59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gerhard, this addresses the rest of your comments: >=20 > 10.2: > [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process MAY > insert some padding octets to align Information Elements within a > Data Record. The padding length MUST be shorter than any allowable > Record in that set. >=20 > Mistake! The padding octets are used to align the next Set, not the > Information Elements. > right, the sentence should be: [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process MAY insert some padding octets to align Data Sets within a Message. =20 >=20 > 10.3: > ... There is no way to tell that this is wrong, > if it wasn't meant as an enterprise-specific Information Element. >=20 > So what should the implementer do to prevent this? > we've rewritten this section for more clarity: "Information Element numbers in IPFIX have the range 0-32767. = Information Element numbers outside this range (i.e., with the high bit = set) are taken to be enterprise-specific Information Elements, which = have an additional four-byte Private Enterprise Number following the = Information Element number and length. Inadvertently setting the high = bit of the Information Element number by selecting a number out of this = range will therefore cause template scanning errors." =20 >=20 > 10.4: > Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting Process. > ... The collecting process > does not know in advance which Template ID a particular Template = will > use. >=20 > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very = clear > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any specific > Template IDs. >=20 Any objections to remove this section? thanks, Elisa >=20 > Best regards, > Gerhard >=20 >=20 > On Wed, February 28, 2007 9:42 pm, Nevil Brownlee said: >> Hi All: >> >> The 'IPFIX Implementations Guidelines' draft (-02) is now ready >> for WG last call, so we'll start that today. It will end on = Saturday, >> 17 March, just before the Prague IETF meeting. >> >> Cheers, Nevil >> >> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS >> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland >> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >> >> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This mail sent through University of Auckland = http://www.auckland.ac.nz >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IPFIX mailing list >> IPFIX@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >> >=20 >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A36.88034F59 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts = today

Hi Gerhard,

this addresses the rest of your comments:

>
> 10.2:
>    [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the = Exporting Process MAY
>    insert some padding octets to align Information = Elements within a
>    Data Record.  The padding length MUST be = shorter than any allowable
>    Record in that set.
>
> Mistake! The padding octets are used to align the next Set, not = the
> Information Elements.
>

right, the sentence should be:
[I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process MAY
insert some padding octets to align Data Sets within a Message.

>
> 10.3:
>    ... There is no way to tell that this is = wrong,
>    if it wasn't meant as an enterprise-specific = Information Element.
>
> So what should the implementer do to prevent this?
>

we've rewritten this section for more clarity:

"Information Element numbers in IPFIX have the range 0-32767. = Information Element numbers outside this range (i.e., with the high bit = set) are taken to be enterprise-specific Information Elements, which = have an additional four-byte Private Enterprise Number following the = Information Element number and length. Inadvertently setting the high = bit of the Information Element number by selecting a number out of this = range will therefore cause template scanning errors."

>
> 10.4:
>    Template IDs are generated as required by the = Exporting Process.
>    ...  The collecting process
>    does not know in advance which Template ID a = particular Template will
>    use.
>
> Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very = clear
> from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any = specific
> Template IDs.
>

Any objections to remove this section?

thanks,
Elisa


>
> Best regards,
> Gerhard
>
>
> On Wed, February 28, 2007 9:42 pm, Nevil Brownlee said:
>> Hi All:
>>
>> The 'IPFIX Implementations Guidelines' draft (-02) is now = ready
>> for WG last call, so we'll start that today.  It will end = on Saturday,
>> 17 March, just before the Prague IETF meeting.
>>
>> Cheers, Nevil
>>
>> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>   Nevil = Brownlee           = ;         Computer Science = Department | ITS
>>   Phone: +64 9 373 7599 = x88941           &= nbsp; The University of Auckland
>>   FAX: +64 9 373 7453   Private Bag 92019, = Auckland 1142, New Zealand
>>
>> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> IPFIX mailing list
>> IPFIX@ietf.org
>> https://www1.ietf.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/ipfix
>>
>
>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A36.88034F59-- --===============2052508393== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============2052508393==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 12:51:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTL3M-0005gH-QW; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:49:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTL3L-0005fE-IB for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:49:47 -0400 Received: from mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de ([193.174.154.14]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTL3K-0001HF-6X for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:49:47 -0400 Received: from [10.147.65.153] (kaitos [10.147.65.153]) by mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l2JGnff05855; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:49:41 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <45FEBF25.6060008@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:49:41 +0100 From: Lutz Mark User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061220) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Boschi, Elisa" Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org > > 10.4: > > Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting Process. > > ... The collecting process > > does not know in advance which Template ID a particular Template will > > use. > > > > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very clear > > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any specific > > Template IDs. yes, that's a common mistake. I know this from feedback we've got from developers using our IPFIX library. > Any objections to remove this section? I'd prefer to keep the text. Best regards, Lutz _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 12:51:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTL3M-0005gH-QW; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:49:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTL3L-0005fE-IB for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:49:47 -0400 Received: from mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de ([193.174.154.14]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTL3K-0001HF-6X for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:49:47 -0400 Received: from [10.147.65.153] (kaitos [10.147.65.153]) by mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l2JGnff05855; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:49:41 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <45FEBF25.6060008@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:49:41 +0100 From: Lutz Mark User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061220) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Boschi, Elisa" Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org > > 10.4: > > Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting Process. > > ... The collecting process > > does not know in advance which Template ID a particular Template will > > use. > > > > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very clear > > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any specific > > Template IDs. yes, that's a common mistake. I know this from feedback we've got from developers using our IPFIX library. > Any objections to remove this section? I'd prefer to keep the text. Best regards, Lutz _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 13:10:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTLMQ-0001Yc-6p; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:09:30 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTLMO-0001WG-KX for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:09:28 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTLLv-0004TV-Uy for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:09:28 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Mar 2007 18:08:58 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2JH8v73029528; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:08:57 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2JH8ulZ018177; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:08:56 GMT Received: from [10.61.65.234] (ams3-vpn-dhcp490.cisco.com [10.61.65.234]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24417; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:08:56 GMT Message-ID: <45FEC3AB.2030103@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:08:59 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lutz Mark Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today References: <45FEBF25.6060008@fokus.fraunhofer.de> In-Reply-To: <45FEBF25.6060008@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1752; t=1174324137; x=1175188137; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20WG=20Last=20Call=20for=20Implementation=20G uidelines=20starts=20today |Sender:=20; bh=gH3k5FeeqQ9CNAx8cWD0CFqPhps+pbU6lrfMCeUqki4=; b=JYCmXBnUFBmd4ictzck83DtYxp+WSYkXZF8DsrcB+Wo9fCWC/ub4JobBWU+zTv/Dxy2qo64Q Qu+Pzl24qMHl9+eOwCkztIqGvulzXEujqwZXOkSnfh/qEMgP7vkfRRzp; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Cc: "Boschi, Elisa" , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Elisa, I agree with Lutz to keep this note. Developers may design their system so that the same Template IDs are always allocated to certain templates. That's not a problem. But then they may be tempted to optimise in some ways: eg, by not exporting templates at all, since the Collector can be pre-programmed with the necessary Templates. This would work OK if the Exporter and Collector were in a closed system, but obviously would not work with third party collectors. Or, by supposing that certain Template IDs mean certain templates (so, simply disregarding the received templates). Again, this might work for a closed Exporter / Collector pair, but is a very bad design. We should point out that any such design is unacceptable, and the Collector cannot and should not know in advance what each template may be. Cheers, P. Lutz Mark wrote: > >> > 10.4: >> > Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting Process. >> > ... The collecting process >> > does not know in advance which Template ID a particular Template >> will >> > use. >> > >> > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very >> clear >> > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any specific >> > Template IDs. > > yes, that's a common mistake. > I know this from feedback we've got from > developers using our IPFIX library. > >> Any objections to remove this section? > > I'd prefer to keep the text. > > Best regards, > Lutz > > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix > -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 13:10:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTLMQ-0001Yc-6p; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:09:30 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTLMO-0001WG-KX for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:09:28 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTLLv-0004TV-Uy for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:09:28 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Mar 2007 18:08:58 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2JH8v73029528; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:08:57 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2JH8ulZ018177; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:08:56 GMT Received: from [10.61.65.234] (ams3-vpn-dhcp490.cisco.com [10.61.65.234]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24417; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:08:56 GMT Message-ID: <45FEC3AB.2030103@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:08:59 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lutz Mark Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today References: <45FEBF25.6060008@fokus.fraunhofer.de> In-Reply-To: <45FEBF25.6060008@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1752; t=1174324137; x=1175188137; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20WG=20Last=20Call=20for=20Implementation=20G uidelines=20starts=20today |Sender:=20; bh=gH3k5FeeqQ9CNAx8cWD0CFqPhps+pbU6lrfMCeUqki4=; b=JYCmXBnUFBmd4ictzck83DtYxp+WSYkXZF8DsrcB+Wo9fCWC/ub4JobBWU+zTv/Dxy2qo64Q Qu+Pzl24qMHl9+eOwCkztIqGvulzXEujqwZXOkSnfh/qEMgP7vkfRRzp; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Cc: "Boschi, Elisa" , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Elisa, I agree with Lutz to keep this note. Developers may design their system so that the same Template IDs are always allocated to certain templates. That's not a problem. But then they may be tempted to optimise in some ways: eg, by not exporting templates at all, since the Collector can be pre-programmed with the necessary Templates. This would work OK if the Exporter and Collector were in a closed system, but obviously would not work with third party collectors. Or, by supposing that certain Template IDs mean certain templates (so, simply disregarding the received templates). Again, this might work for a closed Exporter / Collector pair, but is a very bad design. We should point out that any such design is unacceptable, and the Collector cannot and should not know in advance what each template may be. Cheers, P. Lutz Mark wrote: > >> > 10.4: >> > Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting Process. >> > ... The collecting process >> > does not know in advance which Template ID a particular Template >> will >> > use. >> > >> > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very >> clear >> > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any specific >> > Template IDs. > > yes, that's a common mistake. > I know this from feedback we've got from > developers using our IPFIX library. > >> Any objections to remove this section? > > I'd prefer to keep the text. > > Best regards, > Lutz > > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix > -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 13:54:36 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTM2f-0002Bt-O4; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:53:09 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTM2e-0002Bf-0s for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:53:08 -0400 Received: from mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.12.32]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTM2Z-0001NH-F3 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:53:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E77C125; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:52:59 +0100 (NFT) Received: from mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19830-01; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:52:21 +0100 (NFT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rouen.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.11.152]) by mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0478112; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:52:20 +0100 (NFT) Message-ID: <45FECDE0.8090607@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:52:32 +0100 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Aitken Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today References: <45FEBF25.6060008@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <45FEC3AB.2030103@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <45FEC3AB.2030103@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (McAfee AntiVirus) at informatik.uni-tuebingen.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 33cc095b503da4365ce57c727e553cf1 Cc: "Boschi, Elisa" , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1310485766==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============1310485766== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms080303040702000404020001" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080303040702000404020001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Elisa, Paul, Lutz, Ok, section 10.4 might be useful for people who are used to older Netflow versions like Netflow.v5 where no Templates existed. But if you keep the paragraph, consider rewriting the following sentence: When exporting Templates composed by the same set of Information Elements at different times or using Templates composed by the same set of Information Elements multiple times simultaneously, different Template IDs are generated for each Template. One can understand it, if she knows what you want to say. However, from "...different Template IDs are generated for each Template" your issue does not become clear since you always use different Template IDs if you have more than one Template. Also, the exporter might use the same Template ID - by accident or on purpose! Maybe write like this: When the same set of Information Elements is exported at different times, the corresponding Template is usually announced with different Template IDs. Similarly, if multiple co-existing Templates are composed of the same set of Information Elements, they are also identified by different Template IDs. Feel free to further improve this. Regards, Gerhard Paul Aitken wrote: > Elisa, >=20 > I agree with Lutz to keep this note. >=20 > Developers may design their system so that the same Template IDs are > always allocated to certain templates. That's not a problem. >=20 > But then they may be tempted to optimise in some ways: >=20 > eg, by not exporting templates at all, since the Collector can be > pre-programmed with the necessary Templates. This would work OK if the > Exporter and Collector were in a closed system, but obviously would not > work with third party collectors. >=20 > Or, by supposing that certain Template IDs mean certain templates (so, > simply disregarding the received templates). Again, this might work for > a closed Exporter / Collector pair, but is a very bad design. >=20 > We should point out that any such design is unacceptable, and the > Collector cannot and should not know in advance what each template may = be. >=20 > Cheers, > P. >=20 > Lutz Mark wrote: >> >>> > 10.4: >>> > Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting Process= . >>> > ... The collecting process >>> > does not know in advance which Template ID a particular >>> Template will >>> > use. >>> > >>> > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very >>> clear >>> > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any speci= fic >>> > Template IDs. >> >> yes, that's a common mistake. >> I know this from feedback we've got from >> developers using our IPFIX library. >> >>> Any objections to remove this section? >> >> I'd prefer to keep the text. >> >> Best regards, >> Lutz >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IPFIX mailing list >> IPFIX@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >> >=20 >=20 --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:53:08 -0400 Received: from mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.12.32]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTM2Z-0001NH-F3 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:53:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E77C125; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:52:59 +0100 (NFT) Received: from mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19830-01; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:52:21 +0100 (NFT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rouen.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.11.152]) by mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0478112; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:52:20 +0100 (NFT) Message-ID: <45FECDE0.8090607@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:52:32 +0100 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Aitken Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today References: <45FEBF25.6060008@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <45FEC3AB.2030103@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <45FEC3AB.2030103@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (McAfee AntiVirus) at informatik.uni-tuebingen.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 33cc095b503da4365ce57c727e553cf1 Cc: "Boschi, Elisa" , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1310485766==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============1310485766== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms080303040702000404020001" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080303040702000404020001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Elisa, Paul, Lutz, Ok, section 10.4 might be useful for people who are used to older Netflow versions like Netflow.v5 where no Templates existed. But if you keep the paragraph, consider rewriting the following sentence: When exporting Templates composed by the same set of Information Elements at different times or using Templates composed by the same set of Information Elements multiple times simultaneously, different Template IDs are generated for each Template. One can understand it, if she knows what you want to say. However, from "...different Template IDs are generated for each Template" your issue does not become clear since you always use different Template IDs if you have more than one Template. Also, the exporter might use the same Template ID - by accident or on purpose! Maybe write like this: When the same set of Information Elements is exported at different times, the corresponding Template is usually announced with different Template IDs. Similarly, if multiple co-existing Templates are composed of the same set of Information Elements, they are also identified by different Template IDs. Feel free to further improve this. Regards, Gerhard Paul Aitken wrote: > Elisa, >=20 > I agree with Lutz to keep this note. >=20 > Developers may design their system so that the same Template IDs are > always allocated to certain templates. That's not a problem. >=20 > But then they may be tempted to optimise in some ways: >=20 > eg, by not exporting templates at all, since the Collector can be > pre-programmed with the necessary Templates. This would work OK if the > Exporter and Collector were in a closed system, but obviously would not > work with third party collectors. >=20 > Or, by supposing that certain Template IDs mean certain templates (so, > simply disregarding the received templates). Again, this might work for > a closed Exporter / Collector pair, but is a very bad design. >=20 > We should point out that any such design is unacceptable, and the > Collector cannot and should not know in advance what each template may = be. >=20 > Cheers, > P. >=20 > Lutz Mark wrote: >> >>> > 10.4: >>> > Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting Process= . >>> > ... The collecting process >>> > does not know in advance which Template ID a particular >>> Template will >>> > use. >>> > >>> > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very >>> clear >>> > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any speci= fic >>> > Template IDs. >> >> yes, that's a common mistake. >> I know this from feedback we've got from >> developers using our IPFIX library. >> >>> Any objections to remove this section? >> >> I'd prefer to keep the text. >> >> Best regards, >> Lutz >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IPFIX mailing list >> IPFIX@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >> >=20 >=20 --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Boschi, Elisa" Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2703; t=1174327331; x=1175191331; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20WG=20Last=20Call=20for=20Implementation=20G uidelines=20starts=20today |Sender:=20; bh=MfXPaa9HORocFjv7mY5ZCsT0aTaDILc6+pwyzvkHQtI=; b=BwhUoFnQFyBzdPG0OjMaPz2P/ZRVrssTB7k3MYD+Q12L+Tu5++UhQXXHKat9mI5OKl0z0kyf wQdwjZxPZvPPiYkqKk3tTS2tNszqaLneCqmiQGZBxnJX/Su8F3tv8RAn; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Elisa, Gerhard, > this addresses the rest of your comments: > > > > > 10.2: > > [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process MAY > > insert some padding octets to align Information Elements within a > > Data Record. The padding length MUST be shorter than any allowable > > Record in that set. > > > > Mistake! The padding octets are used to align the next Set, not the > > Information Elements. > > > > right, the sentence should be: > [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process MAY > insert some padding octets to align Data Sets within a Message. This revision makes no sense to me because it confuses the paddingOctets Information Element with some additional padding which has no name. ie, if we want to align some records, then we put the paddingOctets Information Element in each record to make a suitable length. But if we want to align some data sets, then you do not use paddingOctets. Instead, you increase the length in the set header, and include a few extra octets and the end of the Set. These have no name, and we should not call them "padding octets" because that is very close to "paddingOctets". Instead, we may refer to them as "octets of padding"? > > 10.3: > > ... There is no way to tell that this is wrong, > > if it wasn't meant as an enterprise-specific Information Element. > > > > So what should the implementer do to prevent this? > > > > we've rewritten this section for more clarity: > > "Information Element numbers in IPFIX have the range 0-32767. This may be more clearly expressed in hex, eg "0-32767 (0 - 0x7FFF). > Information Element numbers outside this range (i.e., with the high bit > set) are taken to be enterprise-specific Information Elements, which > have an additional four-byte Private Enterprise Number following the > Information Element number and length. Inadvertently setting the high > bit of the Information Element number by selecting a number out of this > range will therefore cause template scanning errors." > > > > > 10.4: > > Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting Process. > > ... The collecting process > > does not know in advance which Template ID a particular Template will > > use. > > > > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very clear > > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any specific > > Template IDs. > > > > Any objections to remove this section? Per my earlier mail, yes, I object. Please keep this note. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 14:20:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMSn-0001um-Pp; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:20:09 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMOG-0000Lh-45 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:15:28 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMBR-0002bh-9a for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:02:17 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Mar 2007 19:02:13 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2JI2BX8021400; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:02:11 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2JI26lZ001679; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:02:11 GMT Received: from [10.61.65.234] (ams3-vpn-dhcp490.cisco.com [10.61.65.234]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00639; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:02:06 GMT Message-ID: <45FED020.4060206@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:02:08 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Boschi, Elisa" Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2703; t=1174327331; x=1175191331; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20WG=20Last=20Call=20for=20Implementation=20G uidelines=20starts=20today |Sender:=20; bh=MfXPaa9HORocFjv7mY5ZCsT0aTaDILc6+pwyzvkHQtI=; b=BwhUoFnQFyBzdPG0OjMaPz2P/ZRVrssTB7k3MYD+Q12L+Tu5++UhQXXHKat9mI5OKl0z0kyf wQdwjZxPZvPPiYkqKk3tTS2tNszqaLneCqmiQGZBxnJX/Su8F3tv8RAn; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Elisa, Gerhard, > this addresses the rest of your comments: > > > > > 10.2: > > [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process MAY > > insert some padding octets to align Information Elements within a > > Data Record. The padding length MUST be shorter than any allowable > > Record in that set. > > > > Mistake! The padding octets are used to align the next Set, not the > > Information Elements. > > > > right, the sentence should be: > [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process MAY > insert some padding octets to align Data Sets within a Message. This revision makes no sense to me because it confuses the paddingOctets Information Element with some additional padding which has no name. ie, if we want to align some records, then we put the paddingOctets Information Element in each record to make a suitable length. But if we want to align some data sets, then you do not use paddingOctets. Instead, you increase the length in the set header, and include a few extra octets and the end of the Set. These have no name, and we should not call them "padding octets" because that is very close to "paddingOctets". Instead, we may refer to them as "octets of padding"? > > 10.3: > > ... There is no way to tell that this is wrong, > > if it wasn't meant as an enterprise-specific Information Element. > > > > So what should the implementer do to prevent this? > > > > we've rewritten this section for more clarity: > > "Information Element numbers in IPFIX have the range 0-32767. This may be more clearly expressed in hex, eg "0-32767 (0 - 0x7FFF). > Information Element numbers outside this range (i.e., with the high bit > set) are taken to be enterprise-specific Information Elements, which > have an additional four-byte Private Enterprise Number following the > Information Element number and length. Inadvertently setting the high > bit of the Information Element number by selecting a number out of this > range will therefore cause template scanning errors." > > > > > 10.4: > > Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting Process. > > ... The collecting process > > does not know in advance which Template ID a particular Template will > > use. > > > > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very clear > > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any specific > > Template IDs. > > > > Any objections to remove this section? Per my earlier mail, yes, I object. Please keep this note. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 14:41:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMnO-00014u-4B; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:41:26 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMnN-00014o-GO for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:41:25 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com ([194.36.128.25]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMnF-0005Zh-MG for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:41:25 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1174329676-534700180000-urGyNO X-Barracuda-URL: http://mhd-bar.hitachi-eu.com:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: primary.hitachi-eu.net[193.39.225.234] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1174329676 X-ASG-Whitelist: Client Received: from mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com (primary.hitachi-eu.net [193.39.225.234]) by gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 1BE18238AB for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:41:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com (Not Verified[193.39.227.52]) by mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com with MailMarshal (v6, 1, 8, 2172) id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:45:19 +0000 Received: from mhdexcb.adhel.hitachi-eu.com ([193.39.227.47]) by MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:41:15 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:39:40 -0000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Thread-Index: AcdqVfQYhxoAHnCqTaa9+m28c3f78A== From: "Boschi, Elisa" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2007 18:41:15.0832 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D040B80:01C76A56] X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by HEU SPAM Firewall - MHD at hitachi-eu.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cbb41f2dbf0f142369614756642005e3 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1156581571==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1156581571== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76A56.2CC49961" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A56.2CC49961 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gerhard, Paul, Lutz, there seem to be consensus that the text will not be removed from the = Guidelines. Gerhard Muenz wrote: > Elisa, Paul, Lutz, >=20 > Ok, section 10.4 might be useful for people who are used to older > Netflow versions like Netflow.v5 where no Templates existed. But if = you > keep the paragraph, consider rewriting the following sentence: >=20 > When exporting Templates composed by the same set of Information > Elements at different times or using Templates composed by the same > set of Information Elements multiple times simultaneously, = different > Template IDs are generated for each Template. >=20 > One can understand it, if she knows what you want to say. However, = from > "...different Template IDs are generated for each Template" your issue > does not become clear since you always use different Template IDs if = you > have more than one Template. Also, the exporter might use the same > Template ID - by accident or on purpose! >=20 > Maybe write like this: >=20 > When the same set of Information Elements is exported at different > times, the corresponding Template is usually announced with = different > Template IDs. Similarly, if multiple co-existing Templates are > composed of the same set of Information Elements, they are also > identified by different Template IDs. Good suggestion. I only propose to change "the corresponding Template is = usually announced with different Template IDs" with "the corresponding = Template is usually identified by different Template IDs" Thanks, Elisa =20 > Feel free to further improve this. >=20 > Regards, > Gerhard >=20 >=20 > Paul Aitken wrote: >> Elisa, >> >> I agree with Lutz to keep this note. >> >> Developers may design their system so that the same Template IDs are >> always allocated to certain templates. That's not a problem. >> >> But then they may be tempted to optimise in some ways: >> >> eg, by not exporting templates at all, since the Collector can be >> pre-programmed with the necessary Templates. This would work OK if = the >> Exporter and Collector were in a closed system, but obviously would = not >> work with third party collectors. >> >> Or, by supposing that certain Template IDs mean certain templates = (so, >> simply disregarding the received templates). Again, this might work = for >> a closed Exporter / Collector pair, but is a very bad design. >> >> We should point out that any such design is unacceptable, and the >> Collector cannot and should not know in advance what each template = may be. >> >> Cheers, >> P. >> >> Lutz Mark wrote: >>>> > 10.4: >>>> > Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting = Process. >>>> > ... The collecting process >>>> > does not know in advance which Template ID a particular >>>> Template will >>>> > use. >>>> > >>>> > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is = very >>>> clear >>>> > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any = specific >>>> > Template IDs. >>> yes, that's a common mistake. >>> I know this from feedback we've got from >>> developers using our IPFIX library. >>> >>>> Any objections to remove this section? >>> I'd prefer to keep the text. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Lutz >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IPFIX mailing list >>> IPFIX@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >>> >> >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A56.2CC49961 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts = today

Gerhard, Paul, Lutz,


there seem to be consensus that the text will not be removed from the = Guidelines.


Gerhard Muenz wrote:
> Elisa, Paul, Lutz,
>
> Ok, section 10.4 might be useful for people who are used to = older
> Netflow versions like Netflow.v5 where no Templates existed. But if = you
> keep the paragraph, consider rewriting the following sentence:
>
>    When exporting Templates composed by the same set = of Information
>    Elements at different times or using Templates = composed by the same
>    set of Information Elements multiple times = simultaneously, different
>    Template IDs are generated for each Template.
>
> One can understand it, if she knows what you want to say. However, = from
> "...different Template IDs are generated for each = Template" your issue
> does not become clear since you always use different Template IDs = if you
> have more than one Template. Also, the exporter might use the = same
> Template ID - by accident or on purpose!
>
> Maybe write like this:
>
>    When the same set of Information Elements is = exported at different
>    times, the corresponding Template is usually = announced with different
>    Template IDs. Similarly, if multiple co-existing = Templates are
>    composed of the same set of Information Elements, = they are also
>    identified by different Template IDs.



Good suggestion. I only propose to change "the corresponding = Template is usually announced with different Template IDs" with = "the corresponding Template is usually identified by different = Template IDs"

Thanks,
Elisa




> Feel free to further improve this.
>
> Regards,
> Gerhard
>
>
> Paul Aitken wrote:
>> Elisa,
>>
>> I agree with Lutz to keep this note.
>>
>> Developers may design their system so that the same Template = IDs are
>> always allocated to certain templates. That's not a = problem.
>>
>> But then they may be tempted to optimise in some ways:
>>
>> eg, by not exporting templates at all, since the Collector can = be
>> pre-programmed with the necessary Templates. This would work OK = if the
>> Exporter and Collector were in a closed system, but obviously = would not
>> work with third party collectors.
>>
>> Or, by supposing that certain Template IDs mean certain = templates (so,
>> simply disregarding the received templates). Again, this might = work for
>> a closed Exporter / Collector pair, but is a very bad = design.
>>
>> We should point out that any such design is unacceptable, and = the
>> Collector cannot and should not know in advance what each = template may be.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> P.
>>
>> Lutz Mark wrote:
>>>>  > 10.4:
>>>>  >    Template IDs are generated = as required by the Exporting Process.
>>>>  >    ...  The collecting = process
>>>>  >    does not know in advance = which Template ID a particular
>>>> Template will
>>>>  >    use.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Is this really a common implementation = mistake? I think it is very
>>>> clear
>>>>  > from the protocol draft that the collector = cannot expect any specific
>>>>  > Template IDs.
>>> yes, that's a common mistake.
>>> I know this from feedback we've got from
>>> developers using our IPFIX library.
>>>
>>>> Any objections to remove this section?
>>> I'd prefer to keep the text.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lutz
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> IPFIX mailing list
>>> IPFIX@ietf.org
>>> https://www1.ietf.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/ipfix
>>>
>>
>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A56.2CC49961-- --===============1156581571== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1156581571==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 14:41:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMnO-00014u-4B; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:41:26 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMnN-00014o-GO for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:41:25 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com ([194.36.128.25]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMnF-0005Zh-MG for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:41:25 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1174329676-534700180000-urGyNO X-Barracuda-URL: http://mhd-bar.hitachi-eu.com:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: primary.hitachi-eu.net[193.39.225.234] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1174329676 X-ASG-Whitelist: Client Received: from mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com (primary.hitachi-eu.net [193.39.225.234]) by gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 1BE18238AB for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:41:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com (Not Verified[193.39.227.52]) by mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com with MailMarshal (v6, 1, 8, 2172) id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:45:19 +0000 Received: from mhdexcb.adhel.hitachi-eu.com ([193.39.227.47]) by MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:41:15 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:39:40 -0000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Thread-Index: AcdqVfQYhxoAHnCqTaa9+m28c3f78A== From: "Boschi, Elisa" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2007 18:41:15.0832 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D040B80:01C76A56] X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by HEU SPAM Firewall - MHD at hitachi-eu.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cbb41f2dbf0f142369614756642005e3 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1156581571==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1156581571== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76A56.2CC49961" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A56.2CC49961 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gerhard, Paul, Lutz, there seem to be consensus that the text will not be removed from the = Guidelines. Gerhard Muenz wrote: > Elisa, Paul, Lutz, >=20 > Ok, section 10.4 might be useful for people who are used to older > Netflow versions like Netflow.v5 where no Templates existed. But if = you > keep the paragraph, consider rewriting the following sentence: >=20 > When exporting Templates composed by the same set of Information > Elements at different times or using Templates composed by the same > set of Information Elements multiple times simultaneously, = different > Template IDs are generated for each Template. >=20 > One can understand it, if she knows what you want to say. However, = from > "...different Template IDs are generated for each Template" your issue > does not become clear since you always use different Template IDs if = you > have more than one Template. Also, the exporter might use the same > Template ID - by accident or on purpose! >=20 > Maybe write like this: >=20 > When the same set of Information Elements is exported at different > times, the corresponding Template is usually announced with = different > Template IDs. Similarly, if multiple co-existing Templates are > composed of the same set of Information Elements, they are also > identified by different Template IDs. Good suggestion. I only propose to change "the corresponding Template is = usually announced with different Template IDs" with "the corresponding = Template is usually identified by different Template IDs" Thanks, Elisa =20 > Feel free to further improve this. >=20 > Regards, > Gerhard >=20 >=20 > Paul Aitken wrote: >> Elisa, >> >> I agree with Lutz to keep this note. >> >> Developers may design their system so that the same Template IDs are >> always allocated to certain templates. That's not a problem. >> >> But then they may be tempted to optimise in some ways: >> >> eg, by not exporting templates at all, since the Collector can be >> pre-programmed with the necessary Templates. This would work OK if = the >> Exporter and Collector were in a closed system, but obviously would = not >> work with third party collectors. >> >> Or, by supposing that certain Template IDs mean certain templates = (so, >> simply disregarding the received templates). Again, this might work = for >> a closed Exporter / Collector pair, but is a very bad design. >> >> We should point out that any such design is unacceptable, and the >> Collector cannot and should not know in advance what each template = may be. >> >> Cheers, >> P. >> >> Lutz Mark wrote: >>>> > 10.4: >>>> > Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting = Process. >>>> > ... The collecting process >>>> > does not know in advance which Template ID a particular >>>> Template will >>>> > use. >>>> > >>>> > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is = very >>>> clear >>>> > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any = specific >>>> > Template IDs. >>> yes, that's a common mistake. >>> I know this from feedback we've got from >>> developers using our IPFIX library. >>> >>>> Any objections to remove this section? >>> I'd prefer to keep the text. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Lutz >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IPFIX mailing list >>> IPFIX@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >>> >> >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A56.2CC49961 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts = today

Gerhard, Paul, Lutz,


there seem to be consensus that the text will not be removed from the = Guidelines.


Gerhard Muenz wrote:
> Elisa, Paul, Lutz,
>
> Ok, section 10.4 might be useful for people who are used to = older
> Netflow versions like Netflow.v5 where no Templates existed. But if = you
> keep the paragraph, consider rewriting the following sentence:
>
>    When exporting Templates composed by the same set = of Information
>    Elements at different times or using Templates = composed by the same
>    set of Information Elements multiple times = simultaneously, different
>    Template IDs are generated for each Template.
>
> One can understand it, if she knows what you want to say. However, = from
> "...different Template IDs are generated for each = Template" your issue
> does not become clear since you always use different Template IDs = if you
> have more than one Template. Also, the exporter might use the = same
> Template ID - by accident or on purpose!
>
> Maybe write like this:
>
>    When the same set of Information Elements is = exported at different
>    times, the corresponding Template is usually = announced with different
>    Template IDs. Similarly, if multiple co-existing = Templates are
>    composed of the same set of Information Elements, = they are also
>    identified by different Template IDs.



Good suggestion. I only propose to change "the corresponding = Template is usually announced with different Template IDs" with = "the corresponding Template is usually identified by different = Template IDs"

Thanks,
Elisa




> Feel free to further improve this.
>
> Regards,
> Gerhard
>
>
> Paul Aitken wrote:
>> Elisa,
>>
>> I agree with Lutz to keep this note.
>>
>> Developers may design their system so that the same Template = IDs are
>> always allocated to certain templates. That's not a = problem.
>>
>> But then they may be tempted to optimise in some ways:
>>
>> eg, by not exporting templates at all, since the Collector can = be
>> pre-programmed with the necessary Templates. This would work OK = if the
>> Exporter and Collector were in a closed system, but obviously = would not
>> work with third party collectors.
>>
>> Or, by supposing that certain Template IDs mean certain = templates (so,
>> simply disregarding the received templates). Again, this might = work for
>> a closed Exporter / Collector pair, but is a very bad = design.
>>
>> We should point out that any such design is unacceptable, and = the
>> Collector cannot and should not know in advance what each = template may be.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> P.
>>
>> Lutz Mark wrote:
>>>>  > 10.4:
>>>>  >    Template IDs are generated = as required by the Exporting Process.
>>>>  >    ...  The collecting = process
>>>>  >    does not know in advance = which Template ID a particular
>>>> Template will
>>>>  >    use.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Is this really a common implementation = mistake? I think it is very
>>>> clear
>>>>  > from the protocol draft that the collector = cannot expect any specific
>>>>  > Template IDs.
>>> yes, that's a common mistake.
>>> I know this from feedback we've got from
>>> developers using our IPFIX library.
>>>
>>>> Any objections to remove this section?
>>> I'd prefer to keep the text.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lutz
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> IPFIX mailing list
>>> IPFIX@ietf.org
>>> https://www1.ietf.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/ipfix
>>>
>>
>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A56.2CC49961-- --===============1156581571== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1156581571==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 14:43:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMpF-0001gs-12; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:43:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMpE-0001gc-4o for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:43:20 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com ([194.36.128.25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMom-0002uX-SB for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:43:20 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1174329772-533e001d0000-urGyNO X-Barracuda-URL: http://mhd-bar.hitachi-eu.com:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: primary.hitachi-eu.net[193.39.225.234] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1174329772 X-ASG-Whitelist: Client Received: from mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com (primary.hitachi-eu.net [193.39.225.234]) by gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 10740238B9; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:42:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com (Not Verified[193.39.227.52]) by mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com with MailMarshal (v6, 1, 8, 2172) id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:46:55 +0000 Received: from mhdexcb.adhel.hitachi-eu.com ([193.39.227.47]) by MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:42:51 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:42:03 -0000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Thread-Index: AcdqVklEzp4mbIzkRhiT0OuX/ZObyA== From: "Boschi, Elisa" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2007 18:42:51.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[66410F60:01C76A56] X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by HEU SPAM Firewall - MHD at hitachi-eu.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 03fb21b15d5177c512a4caa19876f30a Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0435248446==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0435248446== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76A56.65FD0961" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A56.65FD0961 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, >> > >> > 10.2: >> > [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process = MAY >> > insert some padding octets to align Information Elements within = a >> > Data Record. The padding length MUST be shorter than any = allowable >> > Record in that set. >> > >> > Mistake! The padding octets are used to align the next Set, not = the >> > Information Elements. >> > >> >> right, the sentence should be: >> [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process MAY >> insert some padding octets to align Data Sets within a Message. >=20 > This revision makes no sense to me because it confuses the = paddingOctets=20 > Information Element with some additional padding which has no name. >=20 > ie, if we want to align some records, then we put the paddingOctets=20 > Information Element in each record to make a suitable length. >=20 > But if we want to align some data sets, then you do not use=20 > paddingOctets. Instead, you increase the length in the set header, and = > include a few extra octets and the end of the Set. >=20 > These have no name, and we should not call them "padding octets" = because=20 > that is very close to "paddingOctets". Instead, we may refer to them = as=20 > "octets of padding"? > what about "octets for set padding"? =20 >=20 >> > 10.3: >> > ... There is no way to tell that this is wrong, >> > if it wasn't meant as an enterprise-specific Information = Element. >> > >> > So what should the implementer do to prevent this? >> > >> >> we've rewritten this section for more clarity: >> >> "Information Element numbers in IPFIX have the range 0-32767.=20 >=20 > This may be more clearly expressed in hex, eg "0-32767 (0 - 0x7FFF). > ok, added =20 >=20 >> Information Element numbers outside this range (i.e., with the high=20 >> bit set) are taken to be enterprise-specific Information Elements,=20 >> which have an additional four-byte Private Enterprise Number = following=20 >> the Information Element number and length. Inadvertently setting the=20 >> high bit of the Information Element number by selecting a number out=20 >> of this range will therefore cause template scanning errors." >> >> > >> > 10.4: >> > Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting = Process. >> > ... The collecting process >> > does not know in advance which Template ID a particular = Template=20 >> will >> > use. >> > >> > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very = >> clear >> > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any = specific >> > Template IDs. >> > >> >> Any objections to remove this section? >=20 > Per my earlier mail, yes, I object. Please keep this note. >=20 Per my earlier email, ok. We'll keep the section. Thanks, Elisa ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A56.65FD0961 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts = today

Paul,


>>  >
>>  > 10.2:
>>  >    [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] = specifies that the Exporting Process MAY
>>  >    insert some padding octets to = align Information Elements within a
>>  >    Data Record.  The padding = length MUST be shorter than any allowable
>>  >    Record in that set.
>>  >
>>  > Mistake! The padding octets are used to align the = next Set, not the
>>  > Information Elements.
>>  >
>>
>> right, the sentence should be:
>> [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process = MAY
>> insert some padding octets to align Data Sets within a = Message.
>
> This revision makes no sense to me because it confuses the = paddingOctets
> Information Element with some additional padding which has no = name.
>
> ie, if we want to align some records, then we put the = paddingOctets
> Information Element in each record to make a suitable length.
>
> But if we want to align some data sets, then you do not use
> paddingOctets. Instead, you increase the length in the set header, = and
> include a few extra octets and the end of the Set.
>
> These have no name, and we should not call them "padding = octets" because
> that is very close to "paddingOctets". Instead, we may = refer to them as
> "octets of padding"?
>


what about "octets for set padding"?

>
>>  > 10.3:
>>  >    ... There is no way to tell that = this is wrong,
>>  >    if it wasn't meant as an = enterprise-specific Information Element.
>>  >
>>  > So what should the implementer do to prevent = this?
>>  >
>>
>> we've rewritten this section for more clarity:
>>
>> "Information Element numbers in IPFIX have the range = 0-32767.
>
> This may be more clearly expressed in hex, eg "0-32767 (0 - = 0x7FFF).
>


ok, added


>
>> Information Element numbers outside this range (i.e., with the = high
>> bit set) are taken to be enterprise-specific Information = Elements,
>> which have an additional four-byte Private Enterprise Number = following
>> the Information Element number and length. Inadvertently = setting the
>> high bit of the Information Element number by selecting a = number out
>> of this range will therefore cause template scanning = errors."
>>
>>  >
>>  > 10.4:
>>  >    Template IDs are generated as = required by the Exporting Process.
>>  >    ...  The collecting = process
>>  >    does not know in advance which = Template ID a particular Template
>> will
>>  >    use.
>>  >
>>  > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I = think it is very
>> clear
>>  > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot = expect any specific
>>  > Template IDs.
>>  >
>>
>> Any objections to remove this section?
>
> Per my earlier mail, yes, I object. Please keep this note.
>


Per my earlier email, ok. We'll keep the section.


Thanks,
Elisa

------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A56.65FD0961-- --===============0435248446== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============0435248446==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 14:43:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMpF-0001gs-12; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:43:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMpE-0001gc-4o for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:43:20 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com ([194.36.128.25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMom-0002uX-SB for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:43:20 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1174329772-533e001d0000-urGyNO X-Barracuda-URL: http://mhd-bar.hitachi-eu.com:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: primary.hitachi-eu.net[193.39.225.234] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1174329772 X-ASG-Whitelist: Client Received: from mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com (primary.hitachi-eu.net [193.39.225.234]) by gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 10740238B9; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:42:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com (Not Verified[193.39.227.52]) by mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com with MailMarshal (v6, 1, 8, 2172) id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:46:55 +0000 Received: from mhdexcb.adhel.hitachi-eu.com ([193.39.227.47]) by MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:42:51 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:42:03 -0000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today Thread-Index: AcdqVklEzp4mbIzkRhiT0OuX/ZObyA== From: "Boschi, Elisa" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2007 18:42:51.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[66410F60:01C76A56] X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by HEU SPAM Firewall - MHD at hitachi-eu.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 03fb21b15d5177c512a4caa19876f30a Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0435248446==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0435248446== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76A56.65FD0961" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A56.65FD0961 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, >> > >> > 10.2: >> > [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process = MAY >> > insert some padding octets to align Information Elements within = a >> > Data Record. The padding length MUST be shorter than any = allowable >> > Record in that set. >> > >> > Mistake! The padding octets are used to align the next Set, not = the >> > Information Elements. >> > >> >> right, the sentence should be: >> [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process MAY >> insert some padding octets to align Data Sets within a Message. >=20 > This revision makes no sense to me because it confuses the = paddingOctets=20 > Information Element with some additional padding which has no name. >=20 > ie, if we want to align some records, then we put the paddingOctets=20 > Information Element in each record to make a suitable length. >=20 > But if we want to align some data sets, then you do not use=20 > paddingOctets. Instead, you increase the length in the set header, and = > include a few extra octets and the end of the Set. >=20 > These have no name, and we should not call them "padding octets" = because=20 > that is very close to "paddingOctets". Instead, we may refer to them = as=20 > "octets of padding"? > what about "octets for set padding"? =20 >=20 >> > 10.3: >> > ... There is no way to tell that this is wrong, >> > if it wasn't meant as an enterprise-specific Information = Element. >> > >> > So what should the implementer do to prevent this? >> > >> >> we've rewritten this section for more clarity: >> >> "Information Element numbers in IPFIX have the range 0-32767.=20 >=20 > This may be more clearly expressed in hex, eg "0-32767 (0 - 0x7FFF). > ok, added =20 >=20 >> Information Element numbers outside this range (i.e., with the high=20 >> bit set) are taken to be enterprise-specific Information Elements,=20 >> which have an additional four-byte Private Enterprise Number = following=20 >> the Information Element number and length. Inadvertently setting the=20 >> high bit of the Information Element number by selecting a number out=20 >> of this range will therefore cause template scanning errors." >> >> > >> > 10.4: >> > Template IDs are generated as required by the Exporting = Process. >> > ... The collecting process >> > does not know in advance which Template ID a particular = Template=20 >> will >> > use. >> > >> > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I think it is very = >> clear >> > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot expect any = specific >> > Template IDs. >> > >> >> Any objections to remove this section? >=20 > Per my earlier mail, yes, I object. Please keep this note. >=20 Per my earlier email, ok. We'll keep the section. Thanks, Elisa ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A56.65FD0961 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts = today

Paul,


>>  >
>>  > 10.2:
>>  >    [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] = specifies that the Exporting Process MAY
>>  >    insert some padding octets to = align Information Elements within a
>>  >    Data Record.  The padding = length MUST be shorter than any allowable
>>  >    Record in that set.
>>  >
>>  > Mistake! The padding octets are used to align the = next Set, not the
>>  > Information Elements.
>>  >
>>
>> right, the sentence should be:
>> [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] specifies that the Exporting Process = MAY
>> insert some padding octets to align Data Sets within a = Message.
>
> This revision makes no sense to me because it confuses the = paddingOctets
> Information Element with some additional padding which has no = name.
>
> ie, if we want to align some records, then we put the = paddingOctets
> Information Element in each record to make a suitable length.
>
> But if we want to align some data sets, then you do not use
> paddingOctets. Instead, you increase the length in the set header, = and
> include a few extra octets and the end of the Set.
>
> These have no name, and we should not call them "padding = octets" because
> that is very close to "paddingOctets". Instead, we may = refer to them as
> "octets of padding"?
>


what about "octets for set padding"?

>
>>  > 10.3:
>>  >    ... There is no way to tell that = this is wrong,
>>  >    if it wasn't meant as an = enterprise-specific Information Element.
>>  >
>>  > So what should the implementer do to prevent = this?
>>  >
>>
>> we've rewritten this section for more clarity:
>>
>> "Information Element numbers in IPFIX have the range = 0-32767.
>
> This may be more clearly expressed in hex, eg "0-32767 (0 - = 0x7FFF).
>


ok, added


>
>> Information Element numbers outside this range (i.e., with the = high
>> bit set) are taken to be enterprise-specific Information = Elements,
>> which have an additional four-byte Private Enterprise Number = following
>> the Information Element number and length. Inadvertently = setting the
>> high bit of the Information Element number by selecting a = number out
>> of this range will therefore cause template scanning = errors."
>>
>>  >
>>  > 10.4:
>>  >    Template IDs are generated as = required by the Exporting Process.
>>  >    ...  The collecting = process
>>  >    does not know in advance which = Template ID a particular Template
>> will
>>  >    use.
>>  >
>>  > Is this really a common implementation mistake? I = think it is very
>> clear
>>  > from the protocol draft that the collector cannot = expect any specific
>>  > Template IDs.
>>  >
>>
>> Any objections to remove this section?
>
> Per my earlier mail, yes, I object. Please keep this note.
>


Per my earlier email, ok. We'll keep the section.


Thanks,
Elisa

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List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Elisa, >> But if we want to align some data sets, then you do not use >> paddingOctets. Instead, you increase the length in the set header, >> and include a few extra octets and the end of the Set. >> >> These have no name, and we should not call them "padding octets" >> because that is very close to "paddingOctets". Instead, we may >> refer to them as "octets of padding"? > > what about "octets for set padding"? OK. At least it's clearly different from "paddingOctets". -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 18:08:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQ04-00064a-DR; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:06:44 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQ03-00064R-A4 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:06:43 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQ02-00015p-0q for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:06:43 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Mar 2007 23:06:40 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2JM6d81022604; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:06:39 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2JM6clZ019200; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:06:38 GMT Received: from [10.61.64.58] (ams3-vpn-dhcp58.cisco.com [10.61.64.58]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17282; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:06:38 GMT Message-ID: <45FF096D.1070504@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:06:37 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Boschi, Elisa" Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Implementation Guidelines starts today References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=554; t=1174341999; x=1175205999; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20WG=20Last=20Call=20for=20Implementation=20G uidelines=20starts=20today |Sender:=20; bh=8VCd8lq7udq8/GzeZvcrLu/gszfRtimk65Nj8gTC9k8=; b=O/cK+CuUFYcROoOkNiPap5ICqjQTcXysBjf8tCP3qdvFYDzxzK0KMZ0IcZq2r5m5DEyAZcvm OYF3nEngRRCqpof3ikyaooCO58eEYhnLBqauS6jRvPpFiV0nQ806sArK; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Elisa, >> But if we want to align some data sets, then you do not use >> paddingOctets. Instead, you increase the length in the set header, >> and include a few extra octets and the end of the Set. >> >> These have no name, and we should not call them "padding octets" >> because that is very close to "paddingOctets". Instead, we may >> refer to them as "octets of padding"? > > what about "octets for set padding"? OK. At least it's clearly different from "paddingOctets". -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 18:41:32 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQWa-0006TY-RC; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:40:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQWa-0006TG-Ey for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:40:20 -0400 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQWX-0006TU-Dk for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:40:20 -0400 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l2JMeGl23496; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:40:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.58.48.54] ([10.58.48.54]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l2JMeEE14940; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:40:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45FF114D.6060101@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:40:13 -0700 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] Sequence Number in protocol-24 -> IPFIX AUTH48 change References: <20070301094211.80b4uhitc0ws44ck@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> <45E8AFE9.7080602@cert.org> <61318.62.224.88.3.1173896934.squirrel@www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de> <45F846D2.6070005@cert.org> In-Reply-To: <45F846D2.6070005@cert.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e178fd6cb61ffb6940cd878e7fea8606 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0316325558==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0316325558== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090006030303010901090509" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090006030303010901090509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, Gerhard, Thanks for spotting this. Here are the changes we should be applying... to the AUTH48 IMHO. 10.3.2 Reliability OLD: The Collecting Process SHOULD deduce the loss and reordering of IPFIX Data Records by looking at the discontinuities in the IPFIX Message sequence number. In the case of UDP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the total number of IPFIX Data Records received for the UDP association, prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32. A Collector SHOULD detect out of sequence, dropped, or duplicate IPFIX Messages by tracking the Sequence Number. NEW: The Collecting Process SHOULD deduce the loss and reordering of IPFIX Data Records by looking at the discontinuities in the IPFIX Message sequence number. In the case of UDP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the total number of IPFIX Data Records _sent_ for the UDP _Transport Session_, prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32. A Collector SHOULD detect out of sequence, dropped, or duplicate IPFIX Messages by tracking the Sequence Number. 10.4.2.1 IPFIX Message Encoding OLD In the case of TCP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the total number of IPFIX Data Records received for the TCP connection, prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32. NEW In the case of TCP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the total number of IPFIX Data Records _sent from this TCP connection, from the current Observation Domain by the Exporting Process, _ prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32. (ii) There seem to be three different writings for the Sequence Number in protocol-24:"IPFIX Message sequence number" "Sequence Number" "IPFIX Sequence Number" "sequence number" Maybe we should only use "Sequence Number" and "IPFIX Sequence Number" when a specific discrimination from other transport layer sequence numbers is required. Agreed. Regards, Benoit > Gerhard, > > In short, I agree. Specific comments inline: > > Gerhard Muenz wrote: > >> There are two other inconsistencies (or am I wrong?): >> >> (i) Concerning the value of the Sequence Number: >> >> 3.1: "IPFIX Data Records sent" >> 10.3.2: "IPFIX Data Records received" >> 10.4.2.1: "IPFIX Data Records received" >> >> I think it is better to always write "IPFIX Data Records sent" because the >> field is set by the exporter and not by the collector. >> > > Agreed. (Also, in 10.3.2 para 2, the document scopes the sequence number > to a "UDP association", which should be a "UDP Transport Session"). > > >> (ii) There seem to be three different writings for the Sequence Number in >> protocol-24: >> >> "IPFIX Message sequence number" >> "Sequence Number" >> "IPFIX Sequence Number" >> "sequence number" >> >> Maybe we should only use "Sequence Number" and "IPFIX Sequence Number" >> when a specific discrimination from other transport layer sequence numbers >> is required. >> > > The protocol document does not appear to mention TCP Sequence or SCTP > Transport Sequence or Stream Sequence numbers, so omitting "IPFIX" from > "Sequence Number" within the document is acceptable (especially in > paragraphs and/or short sections mentioning the sequence number more > than once). However, "IPFIX Message sequence number" would seem to imply > that the numbers increment per message, not per record. So, yes, I'd > agree that we should use "[IPFIX] Sequence Number" everywhere. > > Regards, > > Brian > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix > --------------090006030303010901090509 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, Gerhard,

Thanks for spotting this.
Here are the changes we should be applying... to the AUTH48 IMHO.

10.3.2  Reliability 
OLD:

   The Collecting Process SHOULD deduce the loss and reordering of 
   IPFIX Data Records by looking at the discontinuities in the IPFIX 
   Message sequence number. In the case of UDP, the IPFIX Message 
   sequence number contains the total number of IPFIX Data Records 
   received for the UDP association, prior to the receipt of this IPFIX 
   Message, modulo 2^32.  A Collector SHOULD detect out of sequence, 
   dropped, or duplicate IPFIX Messages by tracking the Sequence 
   Number.  

NEW:

   The Collecting Process SHOULD deduce the loss and reordering of 
   IPFIX Data Records by looking at the discontinuities in the IPFIX 
   Message sequence number. In the case of UDP, the IPFIX Message 
   sequence number contains the total number of IPFIX Data Records 
   sent for the UDP Transport Session, prior to the receipt of this IPFIX 
   Message, modulo 2^32.  A Collector SHOULD detect out of sequence, 
   dropped, or duplicate IPFIX Messages by tracking the Sequence 
   Number.  


 10.4.2.1 IPFIX Message Encoding

OLD 
    
   In the case of TCP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the 
   total number of IPFIX Data Records received for the TCP connection, 
   prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32.  
NEW
    
   In the case of TCP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the 
   total number of IPFIX Data Records sent from this TCP connection, 
   from the current Observation Domain by the Exporting Process, 
   prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32.  


(ii) There seem to be three different writings for the Sequence Number in
protocol-24:"IPFIX Message sequence number"
"Sequence Number"
"IPFIX Sequence Number"
"sequence number"

Maybe we should only use "Sequence Number" and "IPFIX Sequence Number"
when a specific discrimination from other transport layer sequence numbers
is required.
Agreed.

Regards, Benoit


Gerhard,

In short, I agree. Specific comments inline:

Gerhard Muenz wrote:
  
There are two other inconsistencies (or am I wrong?):

(i) Concerning the value of the Sequence Number:

3.1: "IPFIX Data Records sent"
10.3.2: "IPFIX Data Records received"
10.4.2.1: "IPFIX Data Records received"

I think it is better to always write "IPFIX Data Records sent" because the
field is set by the exporter and not by the collector.
    

Agreed. (Also, in 10.3.2 para 2, the document scopes the sequence number
to a "UDP association", which should be a "UDP Transport Session").

  
(ii) There seem to be three different writings for the Sequence Number in
protocol-24:

"IPFIX Message sequence number"
"Sequence Number"
"IPFIX Sequence Number"
"sequence number"

Maybe we should only use "Sequence Number" and "IPFIX Sequence Number"
when a specific discrimination from other transport layer sequence numbers
is required.
    

The protocol document does not appear to mention TCP Sequence or SCTP
Transport Sequence or Stream Sequence numbers, so omitting "IPFIX" from
"Sequence Number" within the document is acceptable (especially in
paragraphs and/or short sections mentioning the sequence number more
than once). However, "IPFIX Message sequence number" would seem to imply
that the numbers increment per message, not per record. So, yes, I'd
agree that we should use "[IPFIX] Sequence Number" everywhere.

Regards,

Brian

  

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IPFIX@ietf.org
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--------------090006030303010901090509-- --===============0316325558== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============0316325558==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 18:41:32 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQWa-0006TY-RC; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:40:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQWa-0006TG-Ey for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:40:20 -0400 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQWX-0006TU-Dk for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:40:20 -0400 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l2JMeGl23496; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:40:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.58.48.54] ([10.58.48.54]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l2JMeEE14940; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:40:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45FF114D.6060101@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:40:13 -0700 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] Sequence Number in protocol-24 -> IPFIX AUTH48 change References: <20070301094211.80b4uhitc0ws44ck@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> <45E8AFE9.7080602@cert.org> <61318.62.224.88.3.1173896934.squirrel@www.ri.uni-tuebingen.de> <45F846D2.6070005@cert.org> In-Reply-To: <45F846D2.6070005@cert.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e178fd6cb61ffb6940cd878e7fea8606 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0316325558==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0316325558== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090006030303010901090509" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090006030303010901090509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, Gerhard, Thanks for spotting this. Here are the changes we should be applying... to the AUTH48 IMHO. 10.3.2 Reliability OLD: The Collecting Process SHOULD deduce the loss and reordering of IPFIX Data Records by looking at the discontinuities in the IPFIX Message sequence number. In the case of UDP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the total number of IPFIX Data Records received for the UDP association, prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32. A Collector SHOULD detect out of sequence, dropped, or duplicate IPFIX Messages by tracking the Sequence Number. NEW: The Collecting Process SHOULD deduce the loss and reordering of IPFIX Data Records by looking at the discontinuities in the IPFIX Message sequence number. In the case of UDP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the total number of IPFIX Data Records _sent_ for the UDP _Transport Session_, prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32. A Collector SHOULD detect out of sequence, dropped, or duplicate IPFIX Messages by tracking the Sequence Number. 10.4.2.1 IPFIX Message Encoding OLD In the case of TCP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the total number of IPFIX Data Records received for the TCP connection, prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32. NEW In the case of TCP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the total number of IPFIX Data Records _sent from this TCP connection, from the current Observation Domain by the Exporting Process, _ prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32. (ii) There seem to be three different writings for the Sequence Number in protocol-24:"IPFIX Message sequence number" "Sequence Number" "IPFIX Sequence Number" "sequence number" Maybe we should only use "Sequence Number" and "IPFIX Sequence Number" when a specific discrimination from other transport layer sequence numbers is required. Agreed. Regards, Benoit > Gerhard, > > In short, I agree. Specific comments inline: > > Gerhard Muenz wrote: > >> There are two other inconsistencies (or am I wrong?): >> >> (i) Concerning the value of the Sequence Number: >> >> 3.1: "IPFIX Data Records sent" >> 10.3.2: "IPFIX Data Records received" >> 10.4.2.1: "IPFIX Data Records received" >> >> I think it is better to always write "IPFIX Data Records sent" because the >> field is set by the exporter and not by the collector. >> > > Agreed. (Also, in 10.3.2 para 2, the document scopes the sequence number > to a "UDP association", which should be a "UDP Transport Session"). > > >> (ii) There seem to be three different writings for the Sequence Number in >> protocol-24: >> >> "IPFIX Message sequence number" >> "Sequence Number" >> "IPFIX Sequence Number" >> "sequence number" >> >> Maybe we should only use "Sequence Number" and "IPFIX Sequence Number" >> when a specific discrimination from other transport layer sequence numbers >> is required. >> > > The protocol document does not appear to mention TCP Sequence or SCTP > Transport Sequence or Stream Sequence numbers, so omitting "IPFIX" from > "Sequence Number" within the document is acceptable (especially in > paragraphs and/or short sections mentioning the sequence number more > than once). However, "IPFIX Message sequence number" would seem to imply > that the numbers increment per message, not per record. So, yes, I'd > agree that we should use "[IPFIX] Sequence Number" everywhere. > > Regards, > > Brian > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix > --------------090006030303010901090509 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, Gerhard,

Thanks for spotting this.
Here are the changes we should be applying... to the AUTH48 IMHO.

10.3.2  Reliability 
OLD:

   The Collecting Process SHOULD deduce the loss and reordering of 
   IPFIX Data Records by looking at the discontinuities in the IPFIX 
   Message sequence number. In the case of UDP, the IPFIX Message 
   sequence number contains the total number of IPFIX Data Records 
   received for the UDP association, prior to the receipt of this IPFIX 
   Message, modulo 2^32.  A Collector SHOULD detect out of sequence, 
   dropped, or duplicate IPFIX Messages by tracking the Sequence 
   Number.  

NEW:

   The Collecting Process SHOULD deduce the loss and reordering of 
   IPFIX Data Records by looking at the discontinuities in the IPFIX 
   Message sequence number. In the case of UDP, the IPFIX Message 
   sequence number contains the total number of IPFIX Data Records 
   sent for the UDP Transport Session, prior to the receipt of this IPFIX 
   Message, modulo 2^32.  A Collector SHOULD detect out of sequence, 
   dropped, or duplicate IPFIX Messages by tracking the Sequence 
   Number.  


 10.4.2.1 IPFIX Message Encoding

OLD 
    
   In the case of TCP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the 
   total number of IPFIX Data Records received for the TCP connection, 
   prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32.  
NEW
    
   In the case of TCP, the IPFIX Message sequence number contains the 
   total number of IPFIX Data Records sent from this TCP connection, 
   from the current Observation Domain by the Exporting Process, 
   prior to the receipt of this IPFIX Message, modulo 2^32.  


(ii) There seem to be three different writings for the Sequence Number in
protocol-24:"IPFIX Message sequence number"
"Sequence Number"
"IPFIX Sequence Number"
"sequence number"

Maybe we should only use "Sequence Number" and "IPFIX Sequence Number"
when a specific discrimination from other transport layer sequence numbers
is required.
Agreed.

Regards, Benoit


Gerhard,

In short, I agree. Specific comments inline:

Gerhard Muenz wrote:
  
There are two other inconsistencies (or am I wrong?):

(i) Concerning the value of the Sequence Number:

3.1: "IPFIX Data Records sent"
10.3.2: "IPFIX Data Records received"
10.4.2.1: "IPFIX Data Records received"

I think it is better to always write "IPFIX Data Records sent" because the
field is set by the exporter and not by the collector.
    

Agreed. (Also, in 10.3.2 para 2, the document scopes the sequence number
to a "UDP association", which should be a "UDP Transport Session").

  
(ii) There seem to be three different writings for the Sequence Number in
protocol-24:

"IPFIX Message sequence number"
"Sequence Number"
"IPFIX Sequence Number"
"sequence number"

Maybe we should only use "Sequence Number" and "IPFIX Sequence Number"
when a specific discrimination from other transport layer sequence numbers
is required.
    

The protocol document does not appear to mention TCP Sequence or SCTP
Transport Sequence or Stream Sequence numbers, so omitting "IPFIX" from
"Sequence Number" within the document is acceptable (especially in
paragraphs and/or short sections mentioning the sequence number more
than once). However, "IPFIX Message sequence number" would seem to imply
that the numbers increment per message, not per record. So, yes, I'd
agree that we should use "[IPFIX] Sequence Number" everywhere.

Regards,

Brian

  

_______________________________________________
IPFIX mailing list
IPFIX@ietf.org
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix

--------------090006030303010901090509-- --===============0316325558== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============0316325558==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 20:04:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTRpe-0004fn-GI; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:04:06 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTRpd-0004fe-7C for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:04:05 -0400 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTRpb-0004wJ-3U for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:04:05 -0400 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l2K042629295 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:04:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.58.48.54] ([10.58.48.54]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l2K041E14035 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:04:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45FF24F1.1060702@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:04:01 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0aa019322dfce838bd8604f5a841b57 Subject: [IPFIX] feedback on draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow-03.txt X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1064729256==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1064729256== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060204050101060706010607" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060204050101060706010607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, Here is my feedback on this draft. I know I might be late regarding last-call (on the other hand, feedback from only two persons was received), but I think that some of the issues below must be fixed. Note that some of the feedback has been given live to Brian and Elisa today. Anyway, for the sake of the discussion tomorrow, let's me send it to the list. - it doesn't cover the fact that the "deduced" direction of long lived flows may changed in case of direction by initiator - I was confused by too many capitalized terms, which seems to refer to definition. It turned out to be section names. - some more introduction text should explain whether a middelbox produces biflows or not. Basically, it depends on the flow definition and which parameters the middlebox changes. For example: a middlebox that changes the DSCP=0 to DSCP=1 will only produce biflow if the DSCP is not a flow key - Biflow definition each Non-directional Key Field -> each Non-directional Key Field value each Directional Key Field -> each Directional Key Field value - We discussed this draft in the past with several proposals, and I had to wait for the end before knowing what the proposal is about. You should really include a high level figure at the beginning explaining what the high level solution is, exactly as we did for the redundancy draft, figure 2 and 3 - "Note that, for IANA-registered Information Elements or those defined by the IPFIX Information Model [I-D.ietf-ipfix-info], Source Key Fields are represented by Information Elements whose names begin with "source", and Destination Key Fields are represented by Information Elements whose names begin with "destination"; it is recommended that vendor-specific information elements follow these conventions, as well." -> this should really be part of [IPFIX-INFO] in section 2.3 - "the two directions of a Biflow may be roughly thought of as the two Uniflow halves" What's a uniflow halve? half a flow? guess not ;) Bottom line, I think the halve in uniflow halve should be completely removed from the draft - I don't understand the paragraph starting with: "Note that since the IPFIX information model makes no distinction between zeroes and null values, ..." You should explain some more what this implies ... - " As the method selection is dependent on Metering Process position, it is sufficient to configure the direction assignment method at Collecting and Exporting Processes out-of-band." First of all, the "and" is a "or" or (if you insist) "and/or" Second, you should explain how you do that: mapping an internal/external per interface or ifIndex - "Regardless of the direction assignment method selected, the Exporting Process MAY export additional information about each Biflow (e.g., TCP flags information, high-precision timestamps) in order to assist the Collecting Process in determining the flow initiator or revising the Metering Process' direction selection." My concern is that you don't specify what the Collecting Process should do if there is a discrepancy - "Note that direction assignment by initiator is most easily done by a single Metering Process positioned on a local link layer, or a single Metering Process observing bidirectional packet flows at a symmetric perimeter routing point. " We could only multiple Metering Process if we have a Concentrator Metering Process. But then we don't really have a single Observation Domain (could be debated, but my view is no) And you clearly stated, biflows are within an Observation Domain Finally the next figure didn't help, as I didn't know exactly what N0 and N1 were... - No facility is provided for exporting the address set defining the interior of a perimeter; this set may be deduced by the Collecting Process observing the set of Biflow destination addresses. -> No facility is provided for exporting the address set defining the interior of a perimeter; this set may be deduced by the Collecting Process observing the set of Biflow _source or _destination addresses. - not sure what the figure in section 5.2 wants to point out. - section 5.3 "Arbitrary Direction" "In this case, the Metering Process SHOULD be consistent in its choice of direction. Arbitrary direction assignment MAY use Flow Key fields, for example the interface number, in order to maintain this consistency." How could we be consistent if this is an "Arbitrary Direction" Consistent amongst all flows? Or consistent for a (long-lived) flow? This makes a big difference. - section "6.1. Reverse Information Element Private Enterprise Number" "Note that certain Information Elements in the IPFIX Information Model [I-D.ietf-ipfix-info] are not reversible; that is, they are semantically meaningless as reverse Information Elements. A Collecting Process MUST note the Information Element identifier of any Information Element so used as a Reverse Information Element, and MAY discard that Information Element from the Flow Record, as with unassigned Information Elements as in section 9 of the IPFIX Protocol document [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol]." First of all, I don't see what you mean by section 9 of [IPFIX-PROTO] Second of all, this paragraph puts the stress on the Collecting Process to understand whether IE are reversible or not. I would put the stress (ie the spec) on the exporter -> MUST NOT export non reversible IE, or meaningless IE... Otherwise, if an old collector doesn't understand that IE is reversible in a specific new situation, it MAY discard the IE? - section 6.1 "Note that Information Elements commonly used as Flow Keys (e.g. header fields defined in sections 5.4 and 5.5 of the Information Model) are not necessarily non-reversible, as they may be used as value fields in certain contexts, as when associating ICMP error messages with the flows that caused them." maybe we can improve the "not necessarily non-reversible" ;) - some inconsistencies in the capitalized terms coming from [IPFIX-PROTO], for example Flow/flow - section 6.3 "biflowDirection Information Element" Description: A description of the biflow direction assignment method used to assign source and destination to this flow. This Information Element MAY be present in a Flow Data Record, or applied to all flows exported from an Exporting Process or Observation Domain using IPFIX Options. If this Information Element is not present in a Flow Record or associated with a flow via scope, it is assumed that the configuration of the biflow direction assignment method is done out-of-band. This field may take the following values: If we use UDP, how do we know if "this Information Element is associated or not with a flow via a scope as we might loose the options record? I searched in your draft for UDP and SCTP. Could not find anything. Solution1: biflow always present (prefered IMHO) Solution2: SCTP (reliable) or TCP - The previous remark leads to the Appendix A that doesn't show any biflowDirection IE. That puzzled me, as this draft is specifically about its specifications. Solution1: you give two examples, with/without Solution2: it's always present and you get only one example Regards, Benoit. --------------060204050101060706010607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

Here is my feedback on this draft. I know I might be late regarding last-call (on the other hand, feedback from only two persons was received), but I think that some of the issues below must be fixed.

Note that some of the feedback has been given live to Brian and Elisa today. Anyway, for the sake of the discussion tomorrow, let's me send it to the list.

- it doesn't cover the fact that the "deduced" direction of long lived flows may changed in case of direction by initiator
- I was confused by too many capitalized terms, which seems to refer to definition. It turned out to be section names.
- some more introduction text should explain whether a middelbox produces biflows or not.
    Basically, it depends on the flow definition and which parameters the middlebox changes.
    For example: a middlebox that changes the DSCP=0 to DSCP=1 will only produce biflow if the DSCP is not a flow key
- Biflow definition
    each Non-directional Key Field ->     each Non-directional Key Field value
    each Directional Key Field ->     each Directional Key Field value
- We discussed this draft in the past with several proposals, and I had to wait for the end before knowing what the proposal is about.
    You should really include a high level figure at the beginning explaining what the high level solution is,
    exactly as we did for the redundancy draft, figure 2 and 3
-  "Note that, for IANA-registered Information
    Elements or those defined by the IPFIX Information Model
    [I-D.ietf-ipfix-info], Source Key Fields are represented by
    Information Elements whose names begin with "source", and Destination
    Key Fields are represented by Information Elements whose names begin
    with "destination"; it is recommended that vendor-specific
    information elements follow these conventions, as well."
    -> this should really be part of [IPFIX-INFO] in section 2.3
- "the two directions of a Biflow may be roughly thought of as the two Uniflow halves"
What's a uniflow halve? half a flow? guess not ;)
Bottom line, I think the halve in uniflow halve should be completely removed from the draft
- I don't understand the paragraph starting with:
"Note that since the IPFIX information model makes no distinction between zeroes and null values, ..."
You should explain some more what this implies ...
- " As the method selection is dependent on Metering Process position, it
     is sufficient to configure the direction assignment method at
    Collecting and Exporting Processes out-of-band."
First of all, the "and" is a "or" or (if you insist) "and/or"
Second, you should explain how you do that: mapping an internal/external per interface or ifIndex
-
"Regardless of the direction assignment method selected, the Exporting
Process MAY export additional information about each Biflow (e.g.,
TCP flags information, high-precision timestamps) in order to assist
the Collecting Process in determining the flow initiator or revising
the Metering Process' direction selection."
    My concern is that you don't specify what the Collecting Process should do if there is a discrepancy
- 
   "Note that direction assignment by initiator is most easily done by a
   single Metering Process positioned on a local link layer, or a single
   Metering Process observing bidirectional packet flows at a symmetric
   perimeter routing point. "
  We could only multiple Metering Process if we have a Concentrator Metering Process.
  But then we don't really have a single Observation Domain (could be debated, but my view is no)
  And you clearly stated, biflows are within an Observation Domain
  Finally the next figure didn't help, as I didn't know exactly what N0 and N1 were...
- 
   No facility is provided for exporting the address set defining the
   interior of a perimeter; this set may be deduced by the Collecting
   Process observing the set of Biflow destination addresses.
	-> 
   No facility is provided for exporting the address set defining the
   interior of a perimeter; this set may be deduced by the Collecting
   Process observing the set of Biflow source or destination addresses.
- not sure what the figure in section 5.2 wants to point out.
- section 5.3 "Arbitrary Direction"
   "In this case, the Metering Process SHOULD be consistent in its choice
   of direction.  Arbitrary direction assignment MAY use Flow Key
   fields, for example the interface number, in order to maintain this
   consistency."
   How could we be consistent if this is an "Arbitrary Direction"
   Consistent amongst all flows? Or consistent for a (long-lived) flow?
   This makes a big difference.
- section "6.1.  Reverse Information Element Private Enterprise Number"
   "Note that certain Information Elements in the IPFIX Information Model
   [I-D.ietf-ipfix-info] are not reversible; that is, they are
   semantically meaningless as reverse Information Elements.  A
   Collecting Process MUST note the Information Element identifier of
   any Information Element so used as a Reverse Information Element, and
   MAY discard that Information Element from the Flow Record, as with
   unassigned Information Elements as in section 9 of the IPFIX Protocol
   document [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol]."
   First of all, I don't see what you mean by section 9 of [IPFIX-PROTO]
   Second of all, this paragraph puts the stress on the Collecting Process 
   to understand whether IE are reversible or not. I would put the stress 
   (ie the spec) on the exporter -> MUST NOT export non reversible IE, or
   meaningless IE... Otherwise, if an old collector doesn't understand that 
   IE is reversible in a specific new situation, it MAY discard the IE?
- section 6.1
   "Note that Information Elements commonly used as Flow Keys (e.g.
   header fields defined in sections 5.4 and 5.5 of the Information
   Model) are not necessarily non-reversible, as they may be used as
   value fields in certain contexts, as when associating ICMP error
   messages with the flows that caused them."
   maybe we can improve the "not necessarily non-reversible" ;)
- some inconsistencies in the capitalized terms coming from [IPFIX-PROTO],
  for example Flow/flow
- section 6.3 "biflowDirection Information Element"

   Description:   A description of the biflow direction assignment
      method used to assign source and destination to this flow.  This
      Information Element MAY be present in a Flow Data Record, or
      applied to all flows exported from an Exporting Process or
      Observation Domain using IPFIX Options.  If this Information
      Element is not present in a Flow Record or associated with a flow
      via scope, it is assumed that the configuration of the biflow
      direction assignment method is done out-of-band.  This field may
      take the following values:

   If we use UDP, how do we know if "this Information Element is 
   associated or not with a flow via a scope as we might loose the
   options record?
   I searched in your draft for UDP and SCTP. Could not find anything.
   Solution1: biflow always present (prefered IMHO)
   Solution2: SCTP (reliable) or TCP
- The previous remark leads to the Appendix A that doesn't show any 
  biflowDirection IE. That puzzled me, as this draft is specifically 
  about its specifications.
  Solution1: you give two examples, with/without
  Solution2: it's always present and you get only one example

Regards, Benoit.
--------------060204050101060706010607-- --===============1064729256== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1064729256==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 20:04:59 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTRpe-0004fn-GI; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:04:06 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTRpd-0004fe-7C for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:04:05 -0400 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTRpb-0004wJ-3U for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:04:05 -0400 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l2K042629295 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:04:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.58.48.54] ([10.58.48.54]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l2K041E14035 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:04:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45FF24F1.1060702@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:04:01 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0aa019322dfce838bd8604f5a841b57 Subject: [IPFIX] feedback on draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow-03.txt X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1064729256==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1064729256== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060204050101060706010607" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060204050101060706010607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, Here is my feedback on this draft. I know I might be late regarding last-call (on the other hand, feedback from only two persons was received), but I think that some of the issues below must be fixed. Note that some of the feedback has been given live to Brian and Elisa today. Anyway, for the sake of the discussion tomorrow, let's me send it to the list. - it doesn't cover the fact that the "deduced" direction of long lived flows may changed in case of direction by initiator - I was confused by too many capitalized terms, which seems to refer to definition. It turned out to be section names. - some more introduction text should explain whether a middelbox produces biflows or not. Basically, it depends on the flow definition and which parameters the middlebox changes. For example: a middlebox that changes the DSCP=0 to DSCP=1 will only produce biflow if the DSCP is not a flow key - Biflow definition each Non-directional Key Field -> each Non-directional Key Field value each Directional Key Field -> each Directional Key Field value - We discussed this draft in the past with several proposals, and I had to wait for the end before knowing what the proposal is about. You should really include a high level figure at the beginning explaining what the high level solution is, exactly as we did for the redundancy draft, figure 2 and 3 - "Note that, for IANA-registered Information Elements or those defined by the IPFIX Information Model [I-D.ietf-ipfix-info], Source Key Fields are represented by Information Elements whose names begin with "source", and Destination Key Fields are represented by Information Elements whose names begin with "destination"; it is recommended that vendor-specific information elements follow these conventions, as well." -> this should really be part of [IPFIX-INFO] in section 2.3 - "the two directions of a Biflow may be roughly thought of as the two Uniflow halves" What's a uniflow halve? half a flow? guess not ;) Bottom line, I think the halve in uniflow halve should be completely removed from the draft - I don't understand the paragraph starting with: "Note that since the IPFIX information model makes no distinction between zeroes and null values, ..." You should explain some more what this implies ... - " As the method selection is dependent on Metering Process position, it is sufficient to configure the direction assignment method at Collecting and Exporting Processes out-of-band." First of all, the "and" is a "or" or (if you insist) "and/or" Second, you should explain how you do that: mapping an internal/external per interface or ifIndex - "Regardless of the direction assignment method selected, the Exporting Process MAY export additional information about each Biflow (e.g., TCP flags information, high-precision timestamps) in order to assist the Collecting Process in determining the flow initiator or revising the Metering Process' direction selection." My concern is that you don't specify what the Collecting Process should do if there is a discrepancy - "Note that direction assignment by initiator is most easily done by a single Metering Process positioned on a local link layer, or a single Metering Process observing bidirectional packet flows at a symmetric perimeter routing point. " We could only multiple Metering Process if we have a Concentrator Metering Process. But then we don't really have a single Observation Domain (could be debated, but my view is no) And you clearly stated, biflows are within an Observation Domain Finally the next figure didn't help, as I didn't know exactly what N0 and N1 were... - No facility is provided for exporting the address set defining the interior of a perimeter; this set may be deduced by the Collecting Process observing the set of Biflow destination addresses. -> No facility is provided for exporting the address set defining the interior of a perimeter; this set may be deduced by the Collecting Process observing the set of Biflow _source or _destination addresses. - not sure what the figure in section 5.2 wants to point out. - section 5.3 "Arbitrary Direction" "In this case, the Metering Process SHOULD be consistent in its choice of direction. Arbitrary direction assignment MAY use Flow Key fields, for example the interface number, in order to maintain this consistency." How could we be consistent if this is an "Arbitrary Direction" Consistent amongst all flows? Or consistent for a (long-lived) flow? This makes a big difference. - section "6.1. Reverse Information Element Private Enterprise Number" "Note that certain Information Elements in the IPFIX Information Model [I-D.ietf-ipfix-info] are not reversible; that is, they are semantically meaningless as reverse Information Elements. A Collecting Process MUST note the Information Element identifier of any Information Element so used as a Reverse Information Element, and MAY discard that Information Element from the Flow Record, as with unassigned Information Elements as in section 9 of the IPFIX Protocol document [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol]." First of all, I don't see what you mean by section 9 of [IPFIX-PROTO] Second of all, this paragraph puts the stress on the Collecting Process to understand whether IE are reversible or not. I would put the stress (ie the spec) on the exporter -> MUST NOT export non reversible IE, or meaningless IE... Otherwise, if an old collector doesn't understand that IE is reversible in a specific new situation, it MAY discard the IE? - section 6.1 "Note that Information Elements commonly used as Flow Keys (e.g. header fields defined in sections 5.4 and 5.5 of the Information Model) are not necessarily non-reversible, as they may be used as value fields in certain contexts, as when associating ICMP error messages with the flows that caused them." maybe we can improve the "not necessarily non-reversible" ;) - some inconsistencies in the capitalized terms coming from [IPFIX-PROTO], for example Flow/flow - section 6.3 "biflowDirection Information Element" Description: A description of the biflow direction assignment method used to assign source and destination to this flow. This Information Element MAY be present in a Flow Data Record, or applied to all flows exported from an Exporting Process or Observation Domain using IPFIX Options. If this Information Element is not present in a Flow Record or associated with a flow via scope, it is assumed that the configuration of the biflow direction assignment method is done out-of-band. This field may take the following values: If we use UDP, how do we know if "this Information Element is associated or not with a flow via a scope as we might loose the options record? I searched in your draft for UDP and SCTP. Could not find anything. Solution1: biflow always present (prefered IMHO) Solution2: SCTP (reliable) or TCP - The previous remark leads to the Appendix A that doesn't show any biflowDirection IE. That puzzled me, as this draft is specifically about its specifications. Solution1: you give two examples, with/without Solution2: it's always present and you get only one example Regards, Benoit. --------------060204050101060706010607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

Here is my feedback on this draft. I know I might be late regarding last-call (on the other hand, feedback from only two persons was received), but I think that some of the issues below must be fixed.

Note that some of the feedback has been given live to Brian and Elisa today. Anyway, for the sake of the discussion tomorrow, let's me send it to the list.

- it doesn't cover the fact that the "deduced" direction of long lived flows may changed in case of direction by initiator
- I was confused by too many capitalized terms, which seems to refer to definition. It turned out to be section names.
- some more introduction text should explain whether a middelbox produces biflows or not.
    Basically, it depends on the flow definition and which parameters the middlebox changes.
    For example: a middlebox that changes the DSCP=0 to DSCP=1 will only produce biflow if the DSCP is not a flow key
- Biflow definition
    each Non-directional Key Field ->     each Non-directional Key Field value
    each Directional Key Field ->     each Directional Key Field value
- We discussed this draft in the past with several proposals, and I had to wait for the end before knowing what the proposal is about.
    You should really include a high level figure at the beginning explaining what the high level solution is,
    exactly as we did for the redundancy draft, figure 2 and 3
-  "Note that, for IANA-registered Information
    Elements or those defined by the IPFIX Information Model
    [I-D.ietf-ipfix-info], Source Key Fields are represented by
    Information Elements whose names begin with "source", and Destination
    Key Fields are represented by Information Elements whose names begin
    with "destination"; it is recommended that vendor-specific
    information elements follow these conventions, as well."
    -> this should really be part of [IPFIX-INFO] in section 2.3
- "the two directions of a Biflow may be roughly thought of as the two Uniflow halves"
What's a uniflow halve? half a flow? guess not ;)
Bottom line, I think the halve in uniflow halve should be completely removed from the draft
- I don't understand the paragraph starting with:
"Note that since the IPFIX information model makes no distinction between zeroes and null values, ..."
You should explain some more what this implies ...
- " As the method selection is dependent on Metering Process position, it
     is sufficient to configure the direction assignment method at
    Collecting and Exporting Processes out-of-band."
First of all, the "and" is a "or" or (if you insist) "and/or"
Second, you should explain how you do that: mapping an internal/external per interface or ifIndex
-
"Regardless of the direction assignment method selected, the Exporting
Process MAY export additional information about each Biflow (e.g.,
TCP flags information, high-precision timestamps) in order to assist
the Collecting Process in determining the flow initiator or revising
the Metering Process' direction selection."
    My concern is that you don't specify what the Collecting Process should do if there is a discrepancy
- 
   "Note that direction assignment by initiator is most easily done by a
   single Metering Process positioned on a local link layer, or a single
   Metering Process observing bidirectional packet flows at a symmetric
   perimeter routing point. "
  We could only multiple Metering Process if we have a Concentrator Metering Process.
  But then we don't really have a single Observation Domain (could be debated, but my view is no)
  And you clearly stated, biflows are within an Observation Domain
  Finally the next figure didn't help, as I didn't know exactly what N0 and N1 were...
- 
   No facility is provided for exporting the address set defining the
   interior of a perimeter; this set may be deduced by the Collecting
   Process observing the set of Biflow destination addresses.
	-> 
   No facility is provided for exporting the address set defining the
   interior of a perimeter; this set may be deduced by the Collecting
   Process observing the set of Biflow source or destination addresses.
- not sure what the figure in section 5.2 wants to point out.
- section 5.3 "Arbitrary Direction"
   "In this case, the Metering Process SHOULD be consistent in its choice
   of direction.  Arbitrary direction assignment MAY use Flow Key
   fields, for example the interface number, in order to maintain this
   consistency."
   How could we be consistent if this is an "Arbitrary Direction"
   Consistent amongst all flows? Or consistent for a (long-lived) flow?
   This makes a big difference.
- section "6.1.  Reverse Information Element Private Enterprise Number"
   "Note that certain Information Elements in the IPFIX Information Model
   [I-D.ietf-ipfix-info] are not reversible; that is, they are
   semantically meaningless as reverse Information Elements.  A
   Collecting Process MUST note the Information Element identifier of
   any Information Element so used as a Reverse Information Element, and
   MAY discard that Information Element from the Flow Record, as with
   unassigned Information Elements as in section 9 of the IPFIX Protocol
   document [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol]."
   First of all, I don't see what you mean by section 9 of [IPFIX-PROTO]
   Second of all, this paragraph puts the stress on the Collecting Process 
   to understand whether IE are reversible or not. I would put the stress 
   (ie the spec) on the exporter -> MUST NOT export non reversible IE, or
   meaningless IE... Otherwise, if an old collector doesn't understand that 
   IE is reversible in a specific new situation, it MAY discard the IE?
- section 6.1
   "Note that Information Elements commonly used as Flow Keys (e.g.
   header fields defined in sections 5.4 and 5.5 of the Information
   Model) are not necessarily non-reversible, as they may be used as
   value fields in certain contexts, as when associating ICMP error
   messages with the flows that caused them."
   maybe we can improve the "not necessarily non-reversible" ;)
- some inconsistencies in the capitalized terms coming from [IPFIX-PROTO],
  for example Flow/flow
- section 6.3 "biflowDirection Information Element"

   Description:   A description of the biflow direction assignment
      method used to assign source and destination to this flow.  This
      Information Element MAY be present in a Flow Data Record, or
      applied to all flows exported from an Exporting Process or
      Observation Domain using IPFIX Options.  If this Information
      Element is not present in a Flow Record or associated with a flow
      via scope, it is assumed that the configuration of the biflow
      direction assignment method is done out-of-band.  This field may
      take the following values:

   If we use UDP, how do we know if "this Information Element is 
   associated or not with a flow via a scope as we might loose the
   options record?
   I searched in your draft for UDP and SCTP. Could not find anything.
   Solution1: biflow always present (prefered IMHO)
   Solution2: SCTP (reliable) or TCP
- The previous remark leads to the Appendix A that doesn't show any 
  biflowDirection IE. That puzzled me, as this draft is specifically 
  about its specifications.
  Solution1: you give two examples, with/without
  Solution2: it's always present and you get only one example

Regards, Benoit.
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<000a01c76b10$493690b0$00000000@Janet> From: "already fact" To: ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: girl te Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:53:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C76B18.AAFAF8B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 3.8 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 162d87dc0b780d17da9b1934777fd451 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C76B18.AAFAF8B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0007_01C76B18.AAFAF8B0" ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C76B18.AAFAF8B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Martinmacy, grayr braxtontop playlists. 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Yes, zz ffb requested. Infect install = body doc docs=20 document text ext dat.
Little jamiroquai sade feelgood = producers timbaland=20 cory, rooney.
Fired, since late trying publishing, = tellall short=20 seen private.
Sylvester stallone stiles charlize = theron travolta denzel.
Jerry jim joe john.
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Slated cameo run began, january, = producer. Category=20 jump costume institute.
Hotel, malibu nurses broke big screen, = opposite.
Yet luxe dark, stated unisex enjoys = global lux!
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Deep, purple def leppard depeche dmx = dolly parton.
Gunfire erupted entourage, driven = chased?
Albumshide album art datealbum = closeyour.
Vargas mark wahlberg rainn wilsonmost = popularben=20 affleck gillian pamela.
Lacking vs, iiiquot, speechless fondas, = longs?
Partial bit ascii = encoding.
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Fox biography helping soul tossing, dr = dre=20 exchanging, vowels. Confirmed jonathan rotem welledit darklopez owns = clothing=20 whose brand.
Red carpet an awards.
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Weeks rereleased birthday bonus = trackedit success?
Restore issues disable feature prevent = already fact=20 might save. Course student handbook tutoring workkeys search = headlines.
Sales definitely too weak, promotion = budget?
Yearsedit mujerlopez officially full, = titled.
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------=_NextPart_000_0489_01C76336.73B31B10-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 21 10:00:25 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU1Li-0005n5-KJ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:59:34 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU1Lh-0005n0-M9 for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:59:33 -0400 Received: from franclinus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU1Lg-0001dO-A2 for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:59:33 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by franclinus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id l2LDxRT4011758 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:59:27 -0400 Received: from [130.129.21.251] (vpn-10-25-4-6.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.6]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l2LDxQUP018724 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:59:26 -0400 Message-ID: <46013A00.3040905@cert.org> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:58:24 +0100 From: Brian Trammell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.2 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Subject: [IPFIX] Biflow draft PEN assignment X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0159431340==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0159431340== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigDFC8C201DC32F7C7AFE1E460" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigDFC8C201DC32F7C7AFE1E460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, Per a comment during yesterday's biflow draft presentation, requesting a private enterprise number for the reverse direction that has some significance for us as a WG (as our own test implementation's provisional reverse PEN of 100004739): we've inquired directly with IANA about this today, and the answer is no. As I'd said we suspected during the WG meeting, doing so would require a change to IANA's process for assigning private enterprise numbers (and indeed to the code they use for automating that process), so we'll get a reverse private enterprise number in order, when the draft is officially reviewed by IANA. Regards, Brian --------------enigDFC8C201DC32F7C7AFE1E460 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGAToA4/8LCZ4pwvYRAt42AJsEurmeYlu2GKxz8zafT72Xbq1CYACfWL69 IUvCpmPvf0EaEMlJIBDe7bs= =xfuE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigDFC8C201DC32F7C7AFE1E460-- --===============0159431340== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============0159431340==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 21 10:00:25 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU1Li-0005n5-KJ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:59:34 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU1Lh-0005n0-M9 for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:59:33 -0400 Received: from franclinus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU1Lg-0001dO-A2 for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:59:33 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by franclinus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id l2LDxRT4011758 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:59:27 -0400 Received: from [130.129.21.251] (vpn-10-25-4-6.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.6]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l2LDxQUP018724 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:59:26 -0400 Message-ID: <46013A00.3040905@cert.org> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:58:24 +0100 From: Brian Trammell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.2 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Subject: [IPFIX] Biflow draft PEN assignment X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0159431340==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0159431340== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigDFC8C201DC32F7C7AFE1E460" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigDFC8C201DC32F7C7AFE1E460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, Per a comment during yesterday's biflow draft presentation, requesting a private enterprise number for the reverse direction that has some significance for us as a WG (as our own test implementation's provisional reverse PEN of 100004739): we've inquired directly with IANA about this today, and the answer is no. As I'd said we suspected during the WG meeting, doing so would require a change to IANA's process for assigning private enterprise numbers (and indeed to the code they use for automating that process), so we'll get a reverse private enterprise number in order, when the draft is officially reviewed by IANA. Regards, Brian --------------enigDFC8C201DC32F7C7AFE1E460 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGAToA4/8LCZ4pwvYRAt42AJsEurmeYlu2GKxz8zafT72Xbq1CYACfWL69 IUvCpmPvf0EaEMlJIBDe7bs= =xfuE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigDFC8C201DC32F7C7AFE1E460-- --===============0159431340== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============0159431340==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 21 10:50:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU28f-00046b-0t; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:50:09 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU28b-000452-2r for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:50:05 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU28Y-0005S4-E2 for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:50:05 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Mar 2007 15:50:02 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2LEo19a013336; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:50:01 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2LEo1lZ027106; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:50:01 GMT Received: from [10.61.65.254] (ams3-vpn-dhcp510.cisco.com [10.61.65.254]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03612; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <4601461C.6010104@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:50:04 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] Biflow draft PEN assignment References: <46013A00.3040905@cert.org> In-Reply-To: <46013A00.3040905@cert.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1181; t=1174488601; x=1175352601; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20Biflow=20draft=20PEN=20assignment |Sender:=20; bh=pfZC2E5C963ycIlr6pca+62Y7vVG609OvndMR/pDysU=; b=AKmfhqWsiFGVydLuCMdE036m88cAFhGM22m4kDAYswxNW4472+JY3UWcKHmhsG0CKFScvbZg BcLBj7MBe7rKDAVOihcfGR+bgj4Q6CM5JWlypKRZ0eJWsLYFwGtkUFhx; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Brian, > Per a comment during yesterday's biflow draft presentation, requesting a > private enterprise number for the reverse direction that has some > significance for us as a WG (as our own test implementation's > provisional reverse PEN of 100004739): we've inquired directly with IANA > about this today, and the answer is no. > > As I'd said we suspected during the WG meeting, doing so would require a > change to IANA's process for assigning private enterprise numbers (and > indeed to the code they use for automating that process), so we'll get a > reverse private enterprise number in order, when the draft is officially > reviewed by IANA. Some options come to mind: 1. An obvious PEN isn't important. Just take whatever we're given and document it well. 2. An obvious PEN is important, so we need to submit multiple bogus applications to manipulate the allocation until we get one we like. 3. Using a PEN isn't the best solution. Actually, since PEN zero is reserved, wouldn't it be a good choice? Because we're not really using this as a PEN as such, just as a marker. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 21 10:50:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU28f-00046b-0t; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:50:09 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU28b-000452-2r for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:50:05 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU28Y-0005S4-E2 for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:50:05 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Mar 2007 15:50:02 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2LEo19a013336; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:50:01 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2LEo1lZ027106; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:50:01 GMT Received: from [10.61.65.254] (ams3-vpn-dhcp510.cisco.com [10.61.65.254]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03612; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <4601461C.6010104@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:50:04 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] Biflow draft PEN assignment References: <46013A00.3040905@cert.org> In-Reply-To: <46013A00.3040905@cert.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1181; t=1174488601; x=1175352601; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20Biflow=20draft=20PEN=20assignment |Sender:=20; bh=pfZC2E5C963ycIlr6pca+62Y7vVG609OvndMR/pDysU=; b=AKmfhqWsiFGVydLuCMdE036m88cAFhGM22m4kDAYswxNW4472+JY3UWcKHmhsG0CKFScvbZg BcLBj7MBe7rKDAVOihcfGR+bgj4Q6CM5JWlypKRZ0eJWsLYFwGtkUFhx; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Brian, > Per a comment during yesterday's biflow draft presentation, requesting a > private enterprise number for the reverse direction that has some > significance for us as a WG (as our own test implementation's > provisional reverse PEN of 100004739): we've inquired directly with IANA > about this today, and the answer is no. > > As I'd said we suspected during the WG meeting, doing so would require a > change to IANA's process for assigning private enterprise numbers (and > indeed to the code they use for automating that process), so we'll get a > reverse private enterprise number in order, when the draft is officially > reviewed by IANA. Some options come to mind: 1. An obvious PEN isn't important. Just take whatever we're given and document it well. 2. An obvious PEN is important, so we need to submit multiple bogus applications to manipulate the allocation until we get one we like. 3. Using a PEN isn't the best solution. Actually, since PEN zero is reserved, wouldn't it be a good choice? Because we're not really using this as a PEN as such, just as a marker. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From tasiamadella@qprc.com Wed Mar 21 13:09:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU4Ja-0006UY-WB for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:09:35 -0400 Received: from [61.106.112.235] (helo=3vgkpow02p83wmu) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU4JT-0000YX-9P for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:09:31 -0400 To: "kristo laureen" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 02:09:16 +0900 From: "marv kimberley" Sender: "marv kimberley" Subject: Microsoft Windows Vista ready to download MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <60fb01c76bdb$a8557090$eb706a3d@3vgkpow02p83wmu> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_5E76_01C76C27.0AD16D50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: a630332fa112280ecc4c4186b5c9ea83 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_5E76_01C76C27.0AD16D50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_5E77_01C76C27.0AD16D50" ------=_NextPart_001_5E77_01C76C27.0AD16D50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable He is harsh, dismal, ice=97that is, exiled; Wheezing ravens, when Palladio who beckons from the other shore, They tear apart the mist, it is as though, Or else, like us, sunk into some long gaze Dismal, endless plain?BR> whose soft bristles graze the top-racks. giddy as good kids playing hookey. 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whose soft bristles graze the top-racks.
giddy as good kids playing hookey. Now,
snowdrops and crocuses might be fooled
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Late February, and the air's so balmy
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Blurring the terrain,
The ordinary, wide scene which begins
My keyhole blows a gale
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This perfection, this absence.
The paths of childhood.
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ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:34:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (kobe.netlab.nec.de [195.37.70.60]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EBA13CF81 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:34:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:34:10 +0100 From: Juergen Quittek To: ipfix@ietf.org Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Subject: [IPFIX] draft minutes of the IPFIX session yesterday X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, Please find the draft minutes of our session yesterday at Many thanks to Rolf Wolter for taking the minutes! Please check them and send your comments or requests for changes until April 13. Thanks, Juergen -- Juergen Quittek quittek@netlab.nec.de Tel: +49 6221 4342-115 NEC Europe Limited, Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.netlab.nec.de Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL, UK Registered in England 2832014 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 21 13:35:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU4hS-0002r7-CP; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:34:14 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU4hR-0002qQ-Fj for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:34:13 -0400 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU4hQ-0006qI-4P for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:34:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (kobe.netlab.nec.de [195.37.70.60]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EBA13CF81 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:34:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:34:10 +0100 From: Juergen Quittek To: ipfix@ietf.org Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Subject: [IPFIX] draft minutes of the IPFIX session yesterday X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, Please find the draft minutes of our session yesterday at Many thanks to Rolf Wolter for taking the minutes! Please check them and send your comments or requests for changes until April 13. Thanks, Juergen -- Juergen Quittek quittek@netlab.nec.de Tel: +49 6221 4342-115 NEC Europe Limited, Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.netlab.nec.de Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL, UK Registered in England 2832014 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 21 14:27:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU5Wt-0001yc-LF; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:27:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU5Ws-0001y1-Cf for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:27:22 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU5Wq-0006zc-0b for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:27:22 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Mar 2007 19:27:20 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2LIRJjV024194; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:27:19 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2LIRGlZ004575; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:27:16 GMT Received: from [10.61.82.29] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4638.cisco.com [10.61.82.29]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23792; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:27:16 GMT Message-ID: <46017908.20200@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:27:20 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft minutes of the IPFIX session yesterday References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1585; t=1174501639; x=1175365639; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20draft=20minutes=20of=20the=20IPFIX=20sessio n=20yesterday |Sender:=20; bh=4gY0IkRMrp0VwgRew3gA44qFZ2RDCxHC1pJxOWh78Gc=; b=YOYdM3eLdUfr50Umy7CV27oy9dBs2WIslhRwPKB0QuhC6o2mBl0tQ8TPQH+smnZDLNozfTSu ZSXID2YWnryQfs2U/issBEgxptbhHXfBgc6Tv6Sgj7Cy8eZV0g2AMnu6; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Juergen, > Please find the draft minutes of our session yesterday at > > > > Many thanks to Rolf Wolter for taking the minutes! > > Please check them and send your comments or requests for changes > until April 13. Regarding "file format", I disagree with this comment: Emile: storage looks like a specific function of a mediator I wanted to reply to that point in the meeting, but there wasn't time. Sure, a mediator is one place where storage could be implemented - as we saw in Matsubara-san's presentation - but storage is not limited only to a mediator. I can think of scenarios where it's useful, and I'm sure Brian has real applications which led to the storage draft which aren't based on a mediator either. Regarding "Order of Information Elements", Gerhard said: "the draft mentions that you cannot change the ordering as it has a semantic behind" which is true if you have the same IE repeated inside a data record. However, re-ordering different IEs is not prohibited because the meaning and interpretation of any IE must be independent of any other IEs. And as I understand it, Irino-san's draft would not re-order IEs of the same type, only IEs of different types. ie, reordering "a1, b1, c1, a2, b2, c2, a3, b3, c2" into "a1, a2, a3, b1, b2, b3, c1, c2, c3" is not prohibited and should not cause any problems. So, I believe there is no issue. Cheers. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 21 14:27:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU5Wt-0001yc-LF; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:27:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU5Ws-0001y1-Cf for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:27:22 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU5Wq-0006zc-0b for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:27:22 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Mar 2007 19:27:20 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2LIRJjV024194; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:27:19 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2LIRGlZ004575; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:27:16 GMT Received: from [10.61.82.29] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4638.cisco.com [10.61.82.29]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23792; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:27:16 GMT Message-ID: <46017908.20200@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:27:20 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft minutes of the IPFIX session yesterday References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1585; t=1174501639; x=1175365639; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20draft=20minutes=20of=20the=20IPFIX=20sessio n=20yesterday |Sender:=20; bh=4gY0IkRMrp0VwgRew3gA44qFZ2RDCxHC1pJxOWh78Gc=; b=YOYdM3eLdUfr50Umy7CV27oy9dBs2WIslhRwPKB0QuhC6o2mBl0tQ8TPQH+smnZDLNozfTSu ZSXID2YWnryQfs2U/issBEgxptbhHXfBgc6Tv6Sgj7Cy8eZV0g2AMnu6; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Juergen, > Please find the draft minutes of our session yesterday at > > > > Many thanks to Rolf Wolter for taking the minutes! > > Please check them and send your comments or requests for changes > until April 13. Regarding "file format", I disagree with this comment: Emile: storage looks like a specific function of a mediator I wanted to reply to that point in the meeting, but there wasn't time. Sure, a mediator is one place where storage could be implemented - as we saw in Matsubara-san's presentation - but storage is not limited only to a mediator. I can think of scenarios where it's useful, and I'm sure Brian has real applications which led to the storage draft which aren't based on a mediator either. Regarding "Order of Information Elements", Gerhard said: "the draft mentions that you cannot change the ordering as it has a semantic behind" which is true if you have the same IE repeated inside a data record. However, re-ordering different IEs is not prohibited because the meaning and interpretation of any IE must be independent of any other IEs. And as I understand it, Irino-san's draft would not re-order IEs of the same type, only IEs of different types. ie, reordering "a1, b1, c1, a2, b2, c2, a3, b3, c2" into "a1, a2, a3, b1, b2, b3, c1, c2, c3" is not prohibited and should not cause any problems. So, I believe there is no issue. 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------=_NextPart_000_0489_01C76336.73B31B10-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 21 18:50:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU9af-0003CV-DW; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:47:33 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU9ae-0003Ac-3O for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:47:32 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU9ac-0001Lu-FG for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:47:32 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Mar 2007 23:47:27 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2LMlREd025561; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:47:27 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2LMlRlZ019570; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:47:27 GMT Received: from [10.61.82.29] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4638.cisco.com [10.61.82.29]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09122; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:47:26 GMT Message-ID: <4601B603.4080301@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:47:31 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft minutes of the IPFIX session yesterday References: <46017908.20200@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46017908.20200@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=238; t=1174517247; x=1175381247; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20draft=20minutes=20of=20the=20IPFIX=20sessio n=20yesterday |Sender:=20; bh=BQVyzTtnx97kUq+uEZw7m9tI46BhJUMRB5nlKBLySrU=; b=S3sLo/bJpB79PWpAn0LEGOjtRC4Acg/2es7RuAuXlTAvlMs4A1AVCwKUMwhuZyegEaOphVOs l3rX/xZSA6MdxrL4XHrVCNHS5S9W9+BC0TaTOWWtcVVeIcXLDhKTuzQZ; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org > And as I understand it, Irino-san's draft would not re-order IEs of the > same type, only IEs of different types. To be clear, when I said "type" I meant "IE number". -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 21 18:50:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU9af-0003CV-DW; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:47:33 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU9ae-0003Ac-3O for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:47:32 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU9ac-0001Lu-FG for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:47:32 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Mar 2007 23:47:27 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2LMlREd025561; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:47:27 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2LMlRlZ019570; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:47:27 GMT Received: from [10.61.82.29] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4638.cisco.com [10.61.82.29]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09122; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:47:26 GMT Message-ID: <4601B603.4080301@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:47:31 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft minutes of the IPFIX session yesterday References: <46017908.20200@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46017908.20200@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=238; t=1174517247; x=1175381247; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20draft=20minutes=20of=20the=20IPFIX=20sessio n=20yesterday |Sender:=20; bh=BQVyzTtnx97kUq+uEZw7m9tI46BhJUMRB5nlKBLySrU=; b=S3sLo/bJpB79PWpAn0LEGOjtRC4Acg/2es7RuAuXlTAvlMs4A1AVCwKUMwhuZyegEaOphVOs l3rX/xZSA6MdxrL4XHrVCNHS5S9W9+BC0TaTOWWtcVVeIcXLDhKTuzQZ; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org > And as I understand it, Irino-san's draft would not re-order IEs of the > same type, only IEs of different types. 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10024) with ESMTP id 28912-05; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:08:11 +0100 (NFT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rouen.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.11.152]) by mx3.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0AC148; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:08:09 +0100 (NFT) Message-ID: <46025593.2000109@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:08:19 +0100 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Aitken Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft minutes of the IPFIX session yesterday References: <46017908.20200@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46017908.20200@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (McAfee AntiVirus) at informatik.uni-tuebingen.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a1852b4f554b02e7e4548cc7928acc1f Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0762377193==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============0762377193== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090505070904020704040103" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090505070904020704040103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, Paul Aitken wrote: > Regarding "file format", I disagree with this comment: >=20 > Emile: storage looks like a specific function of a mediator >=20 > I wanted to reply to that point in the meeting, but there wasn't time. >=20 > Sure, a mediator is one place where storage could be implemented - as w= e > saw in Matsubara-san's presentation - but storage is not limited only t= o > a mediator. I can think of scenarios where it's useful, and I'm sure > Brian has real applications which led to the storage draft which aren't > based on a mediator either. I would like to add a comment here: I think that the potential of the file format is to serve as a standard exchange format for IPFIX/PSAMP data! Internally in your system (which might be a mediator), you may save/store the data in a different way. > Regarding "Order of Information Elements", Gerhard said: >=20 > "the draft mentions that you cannot change the ordering > as it has a semantic behind" >=20 > which is true if you have the same IE repeated inside a data record. Yes, that is what my comment was about: If there are multiple fields of the same IE, the order has to be preserved. > And as I understand it, Irino-san's draft would not re-order IEs of the > same type, only IEs of different types. Right. 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session yesterday References: <46017908.20200@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46017908.20200@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (McAfee AntiVirus) at informatik.uni-tuebingen.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a1852b4f554b02e7e4548cc7928acc1f Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0762377193==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============0762377193== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090505070904020704040103" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090505070904020704040103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, Paul Aitken wrote: > Regarding "file format", I disagree with this comment: >=20 > Emile: storage looks like a specific function of a mediator >=20 > I wanted to reply to that point in the meeting, but there wasn't time. >=20 > Sure, a mediator is one place where storage could be implemented - as w= e > saw in Matsubara-san's presentation - but storage is not limited only t= o > a mediator. I can think of scenarios where it's useful, and I'm sure > Brian has real applications which led to the storage draft which aren't > based on a mediator either. I would like to add a comment here: I think that the potential of the file format is to serve as a standard exchange format for IPFIX/PSAMP data! Internally in your system (which might be a mediator), you may save/store the data in a different way. > Regarding "Order of Information Elements", Gerhard said: >=20 > "the draft mentions that you cannot change the ordering > as it has a semantic behind" >=20 > which is true if you have the same IE repeated inside a data record. Yes, that is what my comment was about: If there are multiple fields of the same IE, the order has to be preserved. > And as I understand it, Irino-san's draft would not re-order IEs of the > same type, only IEs of different types. Right. At first, I was confused and thought that reduced size encoded field were to be located behind fields with full size encoding - which would have destroyed the ordering if some of the same IEs were encoded with reduced size and others were not. Now, I reread the proposal and it says "reduced size encoding applicable IEs" behind IEs that do not allow reduced size encoding, and that is ok then. Thanks, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz Computer Networks and Internet Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science University of Tuebingen Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz --------------ms090505070904020704040103 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJdTCC AxUwggJ+oAMCAQICEGU5u1eI8WeEkIox6PdwkFAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UE BhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMT I1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA3MDIxMzEwMzMxOVoX DTA4MDIxMzEwMzMxOVowbDEOMAwGA1UEBBMFTXVlbnoxEDAOBgNVBCoTB0dlcmhhcmQxFjAU BgNVBAMTDUdlcmhhcmQgTXVlbnoxMDAuBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWIW11ZW56QGluZm9ybWF0aWsu 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en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft minutes of the IPFIX session yesterday References: <46017908.20200@cisco.com> <46025593.2000109@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <46025593.2000109@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1197; t=1174562921; x=1175426921; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20draft=20minutes=20of=20the=20IPFIX=20sessio n=20yesterday |Sender:=20; bh=6ico3FR0ae4DlA8vZQJ6J7oVRWShmkKCf8NQRNFbbUI=; b=drMjbyTutsyMqEsqWC6jurUVBMUQQgMPa3cjWV3CGH5qRh/bGAjTzcTIDxXcYxPl2172TFti /w1R/pIKFQ6BKC5s5TRFAnnz4bvwEUjMuYHUSLa9G+PckXDxUDfvXv7U; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Gerhard, >> And as I understand it, Irino-san's draft would not re-order IEs of the >> same type, only IEs of different types. > > Right. At first, I was confused and thought that reduced size encoded > field were to be located behind fields with full size encoding - which > would have destroyed the ordering if some of the same IEs were encoded > with reduced size and others were not. True. > Now, I reread the proposal and it says "reduced size encoding applicable > IEs" behind IEs that do not allow reduced size encoding, and that is ok > then. Irino-san's draft could be clearer about this. Consider if you have one IE using a mixture of normally encoded and reduce size encoding. The simplest rule would be to say that all instances of this IE must be in the reduced size encoding area, ensuring that the order is preserved. However, everything up to (but not including) the first reduced size one could go in the ordinary section without affecting the outcome. But I think it makes the draft even more complicated than it already is - and I think it's already difficult enough to follow. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 22 07:30:47 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HULTJ-0007YZ-IS; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:28:45 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HULTI-0007YB-6S for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:28:44 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HULTG-0002WK-9i for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:28:43 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Mar 2007 12:28:42 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2MBSfqU004174; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:28:41 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2MBSblZ004644; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:28:41 GMT Received: from [10.61.81.80] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4433.cisco.com [10.61.81.80]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08354; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:28:35 GMT Message-ID: <46026865.1040203@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:28:37 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft minutes of the IPFIX session yesterday References: <46017908.20200@cisco.com> <46025593.2000109@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <46025593.2000109@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1197; t=1174562921; x=1175426921; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20draft=20minutes=20of=20the=20IPFIX=20sessio n=20yesterday |Sender:=20; bh=6ico3FR0ae4DlA8vZQJ6J7oVRWShmkKCf8NQRNFbbUI=; b=drMjbyTutsyMqEsqWC6jurUVBMUQQgMPa3cjWV3CGH5qRh/bGAjTzcTIDxXcYxPl2172TFti /w1R/pIKFQ6BKC5s5TRFAnnz4bvwEUjMuYHUSLa9G+PckXDxUDfvXv7U; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Gerhard, >> And as I understand it, Irino-san's draft would not re-order IEs of the >> same type, only IEs of different types. > > Right. At first, I was confused and thought that reduced size encoded > field were to be located behind fields with full size encoding - which > would have destroyed the ordering if some of the same IEs were encoded > with reduced size and others were not. True. > Now, I reread the proposal and it says "reduced size encoding applicable > IEs" behind IEs that do not allow reduced size encoding, and that is ok > then. Irino-san's draft could be clearer about this. Consider if you have one IE using a mixture of normally encoded and reduce size encoding. The simplest rule would be to say that all instances of this IE must be in the reduced size encoding area, ensuring that the order is preserved. However, everything up to (but not including) the first reduced size one could go in the ordinary section without affecting the outcome. But I think it makes the draft even more complicated than it already is - and I think it's already difficult enough to follow. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 22 09:17:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUN9r-00077H-D7; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:16:47 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUN8m-0006uA-Ne for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:15:40 -0400 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUMwJ-00010A-3y for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:02:48 -0400 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l2MD2k423386 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:02:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.58.48.138] ([10.58.48.138]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l2MD2jE09932 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:02:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <46027E75.2010405@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:02:45 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Subject: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: read-write choice X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1462301671==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1462301671== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020008010405080904070003" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020008010405080904070003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, During our IPFIX meeting, we discussed IPFIX MIB read-write choice. My action item was to sent it one last time to the mailing list. The meeting minute from the IETF 67 meeting were: "Juergen: Summary of the discussion. We will have the option for RO implementations. Reporting would optionally be RW. Templates will probably be RO. Methods: unclear, to be discussed on the list." The read-write choice that the MIB authors made for the current draft are: Transport Session (Group) Table -> Read only, because SCTP/TCP MIB variables are not writable Observation Domain Table -> Read only Template Table -> Read only Template Definition Table -> Read only Selector Table -> Read only There is only remaining open issue, discussed during the IPFIX meeting. Should the template definition table be read-only, or read-write with a conformance statement of "read-only"? Emile Stephan expressed that the read-write is a nice-to-have. I would like to know whether other people support this read-write. Or shall we leave the template definition table as read-only? My personal view is that, since that would be the only read-write table, I'm not convinced it makes sense. Regards, Benoit. --------------020008010405080904070003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

During our IPFIX meeting, we discussed IPFIX MIB read-write choice.
My action item was to sent it one last time to the mailing list.
The meeting minute from the IETF 67 meeting were:
“Juergen: Summary of the discussion. We will have the option for RO implementations. Reporting would optionally be RW. Templates will probably be RO. Methods: unclear, to be discussed on the list.”
The read-write choice that the MIB authors made for the current draft are:
    Transport Session (Group) Table -> Read only, because SCTP/TCP MIB variables are not writable
    Observation Domain Table -> Read only
    Template Table -> Read only
    Template Definition Table -> Read only
    Selector Table -> Read only

There is only remaining open issue, discussed during the IPFIX meeting.
Should the template definition table be read-only, or read-write with a conformance statement of "read-only"?
Emile Stephan expressed that the read-write is a nice-to-have.
I would like to know whether other people support this read-write.  Or shall we leave the template definition table as read-only?

My personal view is that, since that would be the only read-write table, I'm not convinced it makes sense.

Regards, Benoit.


--------------020008010405080904070003-- --===============1462301671== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1462301671==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 22 09:17:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUN9r-00077H-D7; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:16:47 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUN8m-0006uA-Ne for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:15:40 -0400 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUMwJ-00010A-3y for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:02:48 -0400 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l2MD2k423386 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:02:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.58.48.138] ([10.58.48.138]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l2MD2jE09932 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:02:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <46027E75.2010405@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:02:45 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Subject: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: read-write choice X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1462301671==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1462301671== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020008010405080904070003" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020008010405080904070003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, During our IPFIX meeting, we discussed IPFIX MIB read-write choice. My action item was to sent it one last time to the mailing list. The meeting minute from the IETF 67 meeting were: "Juergen: Summary of the discussion. We will have the option for RO implementations. Reporting would optionally be RW. Templates will probably be RO. Methods: unclear, to be discussed on the list." The read-write choice that the MIB authors made for the current draft are: Transport Session (Group) Table -> Read only, because SCTP/TCP MIB variables are not writable Observation Domain Table -> Read only Template Table -> Read only Template Definition Table -> Read only Selector Table -> Read only There is only remaining open issue, discussed during the IPFIX meeting. Should the template definition table be read-only, or read-write with a conformance statement of "read-only"? Emile Stephan expressed that the read-write is a nice-to-have. I would like to know whether other people support this read-write. Or shall we leave the template definition table as read-only? My personal view is that, since that would be the only read-write table, I'm not convinced it makes sense. Regards, Benoit. --------------020008010405080904070003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

During our IPFIX meeting, we discussed IPFIX MIB read-write choice.
My action item was to sent it one last time to the mailing list.
The meeting minute from the IETF 67 meeting were:
“Juergen: Summary of the discussion. We will have the option for RO implementations. Reporting would optionally be RW. Templates will probably be RO. Methods: unclear, to be discussed on the list.”
The read-write choice that the MIB authors made for the current draft are:
    Transport Session (Group) Table -> Read only, because SCTP/TCP MIB variables are not writable
    Observation Domain Table -> Read only
    Template Table -> Read only
    Template Definition Table -> Read only
    Selector Table -> Read only

There is only remaining open issue, discussed during the IPFIX meeting.
Should the template definition table be read-only, or read-write with a conformance statement of "read-only"?
Emile Stephan expressed that the read-write is a nice-to-have.
I would like to know whether other people support this read-write.  Or shall we leave the template definition table as read-only?

My personal view is that, since that would be the only read-write table, I'm not convinced it makes sense.

Regards, Benoit.


--------------020008010405080904070003-- --===============1462301671== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1462301671==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 22 10:53:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUOdt-0007oq-RA; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:51:53 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUOdW-0006O3-Tw for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:51:30 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUOdN-0003zg-6V for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:51:30 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Mar 2007 15:51:20 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2MEpKfw005519; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:51:20 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2MEpKlZ011868; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:51:20 GMT Received: from [10.61.81.80] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4433.cisco.com [10.61.81.80]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22189; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:51:19 GMT Message-ID: <460297EF.3050309@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:51:27 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benoit Claise Subject: Re: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: read-write choice References: <46027E75.2010405@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46027E75.2010405@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1529; t=1174575080; x=1175439080; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20IPFIX=20MIB=3A=20read-write=20choice |Sender:=20; bh=oDwfNkwgGL57S4YSNGvb8pPCHdz3womgcH9InChuk+o=; b=QPXv1fv1sJSh8GJPnr9D7iTwWSarb/yHSqRNKBTFzmfIQyVRywamC3bgwmPzt1MzyrEyONY3 Y4R2ozib21hDQ+++2zXgwC5i2o7G97CyqfuXCsBN58lDk4F9+FEUF9oG; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Benoit, > There is only remaining open issue, discussed during the IPFIX meeting. > Should the template definition table be read-only, or read-write with a > conformance statement of "read-only"? > Emile Stephan expressed that the read-write is a nice-to-have. > I would like to know whether other people support this read-write. Or > shall we leave the template definition table as read-only? The data that's exported from the router dictates what should be in the template, not the other way around. Possibly one could configure "export in " but from my perspective, it's the wrong approach. The right approach would be to use a configuration method such as the XML scheme which Gerhard discussed. As an analogy: when we're flying home, the aircraft is an export packet, the different classes (first, business, cattle) are data records defined by templates (the aircraft layout), and containing various fields (ie, the seats). The airline does not dictate which class we fly in (ie which template we use). Instead, we decide for ourselves and tell the airline. Especially, we do not modify the aircraft layout because more people want to fly first class! Generally this requires a new aircraft (export packet) with a new layout (new templates). Besides, if the Template Definition Table is writeable then surely the Template Table must also be writeable? So where do you draw the line? -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 22 10:53:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUOdt-0007oq-RA; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:51:53 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUOdW-0006O3-Tw for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:51:30 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUOdN-0003zg-6V for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:51:30 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Mar 2007 15:51:20 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2MEpKfw005519; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:51:20 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2MEpKlZ011868; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:51:20 GMT Received: from [10.61.81.80] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4433.cisco.com [10.61.81.80]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22189; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:51:19 GMT Message-ID: <460297EF.3050309@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:51:27 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benoit Claise Subject: Re: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: read-write choice References: <46027E75.2010405@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46027E75.2010405@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1529; t=1174575080; x=1175439080; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20IPFIX=20MIB=3A=20read-write=20choice |Sender:=20; bh=oDwfNkwgGL57S4YSNGvb8pPCHdz3womgcH9InChuk+o=; b=QPXv1fv1sJSh8GJPnr9D7iTwWSarb/yHSqRNKBTFzmfIQyVRywamC3bgwmPzt1MzyrEyONY3 Y4R2ozib21hDQ+++2zXgwC5i2o7G97CyqfuXCsBN58lDk4F9+FEUF9oG; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Benoit, > There is only remaining open issue, discussed during the IPFIX meeting. > Should the template definition table be read-only, or read-write with a > conformance statement of "read-only"? > Emile Stephan expressed that the read-write is a nice-to-have. > I would like to know whether other people support this read-write. Or > shall we leave the template definition table as read-only? The data that's exported from the router dictates what should be in the template, not the other way around. Possibly one could configure "export in " but from my perspective, it's the wrong approach. The right approach would be to use a configuration method such as the XML scheme which Gerhard discussed. As an analogy: when we're flying home, the aircraft is an export packet, the different classes (first, business, cattle) are data records defined by templates (the aircraft layout), and containing various fields (ie, the seats). The airline does not dictate which class we fly in (ie which template we use). Instead, we decide for ourselves and tell the airline. Especially, we do not modify the aircraft layout because more people want to fly first class! Generally this requires a new aircraft (export packet) with a new layout (new templates). Besides, if the Template Definition Table is writeable then surely the Template Table must also be writeable? So where do you draw the line? -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From sipusyankuha@green.livedoor.com Thu Mar 22 13:21:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUQz2-0007xG-EF for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:21:52 -0400 Received: from [60.23.13.50] (helo=pc53) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUQyp-0001fz-N7 for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:21:45 -0400 To: From: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCMkNGIz8/TX0bKEI=?= Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCQzUkOyReJDkhKhsoQg==?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:30:39 +0900 Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 $BL5NA$G2q$($k!"e:No$JAG?M$*;P$5$sF02h"-(B $B!!!!!!!!(Bhttp://ml-st.com/sfx/index.html?media=pc755 $B!!!!A4$F$N5!G=$,L5NA$G$4MxMQ$G$-$k$N$,FCD'$G$9!#(B $B!!!!6a=j$N4qNo$J$*;P$5$s!"1|$5$s!"M_5aITK~GzH/$NMD:J!"(B $B!!!!ITNQ4jK>?M:J!" Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUS8p-0000BT-59; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:36:03 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUS8n-00008w-HZ for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:36:01 -0400 Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUS8l-00004v-Tm for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:36:01 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:35:56 +0100 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:35:55 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46027E75.2010405@cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: IPFIX MIB: manageability consideration Thread-Index: AcdshMEECU3CSwAKR7uUixWj/pSeIQAIAjkw From: "STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN" To: "Benoit Claise" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2007 18:35:56.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDD93EF0:01C76CB0] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2fe944273194be3112d13b31c91e6941 Cc: Subject: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: manageability consideration X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1535613590==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1535613590== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76CB0.ED93B318" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76CB0.ED93B318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Benoit, =20 IPFIX is designed to provide flexibility in terms of choice of the = fields to export and in term of aggregation key to be used. So the = management interface must reflect this flexibility. =20 Regards Emile =20 =20 ________________________________ De : Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com]=20 Envoy=E9 : jeudi 22 mars 2007 14:03 =C0 : ipfix@ietf.org Objet : [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: read-write choice =20 Dear all, During our IPFIX meeting, we discussed IPFIX MIB read-write choice. My action item was to sent it one last time to the mailing list. The meeting minute from the IETF 67 meeting were:=20 "Juergen: Summary of the discussion. We will have the option for RO = implementations. Reporting would optionally be RW. Templates will = probably be RO. Methods: unclear, to be discussed on the list."=20 The read-write choice that the MIB authors made for the current draft = are: Transport Session (Group) Table -> Read only, because SCTP/TCP MIB = variables are not writable=20 Observation Domain Table -> Read only=20 Template Table -> Read only=20 Template Definition Table -> Read only=20 Selector Table -> Read only There is only remaining open issue, discussed during the IPFIX meeting. Should the template definition table be read-only, or read-write with a = conformance statement of "read-only"? Emile Stephan expressed that the read-write is a nice-to-have.=20 I would like to know whether other people support this read-write. Or = shall we leave the template definition table as read-only? My personal view is that, since that would be the only read-write table, = I'm not convinced it makes sense. Regards, Benoit. =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76CB0.ED93B318 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Benoit,

 

IPFIX is designed to provide flexibility in terms of choice of the fields to = export and in term of aggregation key to be used. So the management interface = must reflect this flexibility.

 

Regards

Emile

 

 

De : Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com]
Envoy=E9 : jeudi 22 = mars 2007 14:03
=C0 : = ipfix@ietf.org
Objet : [IPFIX] = IPFIX MIB: read-write choice

 

Dear all,

During our IPFIX meeting, we discussed IPFIX MIB read-write choice.
My action item was to sent it one last time to the mailing = list.

The meeting minute from the IETF 67 meeting = were:

“Juergen: Summary of the discussion. We = will have the option for RO implementations. Reporting would optionally be = RW. Templates will probably be RO. Methods: unclear, to be discussed on the list.”

The read-write choice that the MIB authors = made for the current draft are:
    Transport Session (Group) Table -> Read only, = because SCTP/TCP MIB variables are not writable

    Observation Domain Table = -> Read only

    Template Table -> Read = only

    Template Definition Table = -> Read only

    Selector Table -> Read only

There is only remaining open issue, discussed during the IPFIX = meeting.
Should the template definition table be read-only, or read-write with a conformance statement of "read-only"?
Emile Stephan expressed that the read-write is a nice-to-have.
I would like to know whether other people support this read-write.  = Or shall we leave the template definition table as read-only?

My personal view is that, since that would be the only read-write table, = I'm not convinced it makes sense.

Regards, Benoit.

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C76CB0.ED93B318-- --===============1535613590== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1535613590==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 22 14:36:45 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUS8p-0000BT-59; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:36:03 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUS8n-00008w-HZ for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:36:01 -0400 Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUS8l-00004v-Tm for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:36:01 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:35:56 +0100 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:35:55 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46027E75.2010405@cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: IPFIX MIB: manageability consideration Thread-Index: AcdshMEECU3CSwAKR7uUixWj/pSeIQAIAjkw From: "STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN" To: "Benoit Claise" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2007 18:35:56.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDD93EF0:01C76CB0] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2fe944273194be3112d13b31c91e6941 Cc: Subject: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: manageability consideration X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1535613590==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1535613590== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76CB0.ED93B318" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76CB0.ED93B318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Benoit, =20 IPFIX is designed to provide flexibility in terms of choice of the = fields to export and in term of aggregation key to be used. So the = management interface must reflect this flexibility. =20 Regards Emile =20 =20 ________________________________ De : Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com]=20 Envoy=E9 : jeudi 22 mars 2007 14:03 =C0 : ipfix@ietf.org Objet : [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: read-write choice =20 Dear all, During our IPFIX meeting, we discussed IPFIX MIB read-write choice. My action item was to sent it one last time to the mailing list. The meeting minute from the IETF 67 meeting were:=20 "Juergen: Summary of the discussion. We will have the option for RO = implementations. Reporting would optionally be RW. Templates will = probably be RO. Methods: unclear, to be discussed on the list."=20 The read-write choice that the MIB authors made for the current draft = are: Transport Session (Group) Table -> Read only, because SCTP/TCP MIB = variables are not writable=20 Observation Domain Table -> Read only=20 Template Table -> Read only=20 Template Definition Table -> Read only=20 Selector Table -> Read only There is only remaining open issue, discussed during the IPFIX meeting. Should the template definition table be read-only, or read-write with a = conformance statement of "read-only"? Emile Stephan expressed that the read-write is a nice-to-have.=20 I would like to know whether other people support this read-write. Or = shall we leave the template definition table as read-only? My personal view is that, since that would be the only read-write table, = I'm not convinced it makes sense. Regards, Benoit. =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76CB0.ED93B318 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Benoit,

 

IPFIX is designed to provide flexibility in terms of choice of the fields to = export and in term of aggregation key to be used. So the management interface = must reflect this flexibility.

 

Regards

Emile

 

 

De : Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com]
Envoy=E9 : jeudi 22 = mars 2007 14:03
=C0 : = ipfix@ietf.org
Objet : [IPFIX] = IPFIX MIB: read-write choice

 

Dear all,

During our IPFIX meeting, we discussed IPFIX MIB read-write choice.
My action item was to sent it one last time to the mailing = list.

The meeting minute from the IETF 67 meeting = were:

“Juergen: Summary of the discussion. We = will have the option for RO implementations. Reporting would optionally be = RW. Templates will probably be RO. Methods: unclear, to be discussed on the list.”

The read-write choice that the MIB authors = made for the current draft are:
    Transport Session (Group) Table -> Read only, = because SCTP/TCP MIB variables are not writable

    Observation Domain Table = -> Read only

    Template Table -> Read = only

    Template Definition Table = -> Read only

    Selector Table -> Read only

There is only remaining open issue, discussed during the IPFIX = meeting.
Should the template definition table be read-only, or read-write with a conformance statement of "read-only"?
Emile Stephan expressed that the read-write is a nice-to-have.
I would like to know whether other people support this read-write.  = Or shall we leave the template definition table as read-only?

My personal view is that, since that would be the only read-write table, = I'm not convinced it makes sense.

Regards, Benoit.

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C76CB0.ED93B318-- --===============1535613590== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1535613590==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 22 14:46:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUSIm-0002fg-Ou; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:46:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUSIl-0002fS-Jk for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:46:19 -0400 Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUSIi-0002Ea-TI for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:46:19 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:46:15 +0100 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:45:34 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: IPFIX MIB: 1/N packet sampling & selector table Thread-Index: AcdsskY3F+NbfQFJRqi739QSDRHCwQ== From: "STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2007 18:46:15.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EA8D590:01C76CB2] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68ba2b07ef271dba6ee42a93832cfa4c Subject: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: 1/N packet sampling & selector table X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2077082663==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2077082663== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76CB2.5E8AC030" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76CB2.5E8AC030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 IPFIX handling of Congestion and Reliability relies on packet sampling. So at least one packet sampling (the most deployed: 1/N) must be defined. This feature justifies the presence of ipfixTransportSessionIndex in the INDEX clause of the Selector table: Otherwise there is no relation between a selection function and an exporter. Regards. Emile ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76CB2.5E8AC030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IPFIX MIB: 1/N packet sampling & selector table

Hi,

IPFIX handling = of Congestion and = Reliability relies on packet sampling. = So = at least one = packet sampling (the most = deployed:  1/N) must be defined. = This feature = justifies the presence = of ipfixTransportSessionIndex in the INDEX clause = of = the Selector table: Otherwise there is no relation between = a selection function = and an = exporter.

Regards.

Emile


------_=_NextPart_001_01C76CB2.5E8AC030-- --===============2077082663== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============2077082663==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 22 14:46:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUSIm-0002fg-Ou; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:46:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUSIl-0002fS-Jk for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:46:19 -0400 Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUSIi-0002Ea-TI for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:46:19 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:46:15 +0100 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:45:34 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: IPFIX MIB: 1/N packet sampling & selector table Thread-Index: AcdsskY3F+NbfQFJRqi739QSDRHCwQ== From: "STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2007 18:46:15.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EA8D590:01C76CB2] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68ba2b07ef271dba6ee42a93832cfa4c Subject: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: 1/N packet sampling & selector table X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2077082663==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2077082663== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76CB2.5E8AC030" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76CB2.5E8AC030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 IPFIX handling of Congestion and Reliability relies on packet sampling. So at least one packet sampling (the most deployed: 1/N) must be defined. This feature justifies the presence of ipfixTransportSessionIndex in the INDEX clause of the Selector table: Otherwise there is no relation between a selection function and an exporter. Regards. Emile ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76CB2.5E8AC030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IPFIX MIB: 1/N packet sampling & selector table

Hi,

IPFIX handling = of Congestion and = Reliability relies on packet sampling. = So = at least one = packet sampling (the most = deployed:  1/N) must be defined. = This feature = justifies the presence = of ipfixTransportSessionIndex in the INDEX clause = of = the Selector table: Otherwise there is no relation between = a selection function = and an = exporter.

Regards.

Emile


------_=_NextPart_001_01C76CB2.5E8AC030-- --===============2077082663== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============2077082663==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 22 18:03:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUVLt-0006m7-NT; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:01:45 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUVLt-0006m2-6j for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:01:45 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUVLq-0006mU-ST for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:01:45 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Mar 2007 23:01:42 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2MM1gnL017744; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:01:42 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2MM1glZ022562; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:01:42 GMT Received: from [10.61.82.39] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4648.cisco.com [10.61.82.39]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26454; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:01:40 GMT Message-ID: <4602FCCE.8040408@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:01:50 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN Subject: Re: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: manageability consideration References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1036; t=1174600902; x=1175464902; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20IPFIX=20MIB=3A=20manageability=20considerat ion |Sender:=20; bh=KcG/Gp8VrCaAVpRrYLlvMfQA+X095W9cYGuS2rdMkjw=; b=ZXqb0fx/ZUazJKRYeG+YebIrKGZnixsF/0OFHNUo9Puq8D8TldDUaroidI43f0Q33fuczr7r 8L2Nuo+NTuwSLnBtGVECUBc+bOZLDVgwF4Ndkf405NszxHAA7umF2h4V; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Emile, > IPFIX is designed to provide flexibility in terms of choice of the > fields to export and in term of aggregation key to be used. So the > management interface must reflect this flexibility. Templates belong to the exporting process. So configuring what's in the template only affects the exporting process. It doesn't necessarily affect the metering process, so possibly the data is not being observed, so it's not available to be exported. So it's necessary to modify both the monitoring process and the exporting process. In figure 4 of IPFIX-ARCH, I see that data flows from the monitoring process to the exporting process, and not the other way. So it seems to me that the correct approach is to configure the monitoring process to monitor the necessary data. Then the exporting process realises that this data is being monitored and begins to export it. So I don't think templates should be writeable; it's the wrong model. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 22 18:03:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUVLt-0006m7-NT; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:01:45 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUVLt-0006m2-6j for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:01:45 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUVLq-0006mU-ST for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:01:45 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Mar 2007 23:01:42 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2MM1gnL017744; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:01:42 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2MM1glZ022562; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:01:42 GMT Received: from [10.61.82.39] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4648.cisco.com [10.61.82.39]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26454; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:01:40 GMT Message-ID: <4602FCCE.8040408@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:01:50 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN Subject: Re: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: manageability consideration References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1036; t=1174600902; x=1175464902; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20IPFIX=20MIB=3A=20manageability=20considerat ion |Sender:=20; bh=KcG/Gp8VrCaAVpRrYLlvMfQA+X095W9cYGuS2rdMkjw=; b=ZXqb0fx/ZUazJKRYeG+YebIrKGZnixsF/0OFHNUo9Puq8D8TldDUaroidI43f0Q33fuczr7r 8L2Nuo+NTuwSLnBtGVECUBc+bOZLDVgwF4Ndkf405NszxHAA7umF2h4V; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Emile, > IPFIX is designed to provide flexibility in terms of choice of the > fields to export and in term of aggregation key to be used. So the > management interface must reflect this flexibility. Templates belong to the exporting process. So configuring what's in the template only affects the exporting process. It doesn't necessarily affect the metering process, so possibly the data is not being observed, so it's not available to be exported. So it's necessary to modify both the monitoring process and the exporting process. In figure 4 of IPFIX-ARCH, I see that data flows from the monitoring process to the exporting process, and not the other way. So it seems to me that the correct approach is to configure the monitoring process to monitor the necessary data. Then the exporting process realises that this data is being monitored and begins to export it. 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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C76D32.B9296A40-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 23 04:33:20 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUfCA-0006x3-2b; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 04:32:22 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUfC8-0006sq-LN for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 04:32:20 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUfC6-0003Mc-Ne for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 04:32:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83BA200018A; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:51:25 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HLv9XjG14xoi; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:51:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from mx1.office (mx1.office [10.1.1.23]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E37C200017B; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:51:15 +0100 (CET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: 1/N packet sampling & selector table Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:32:06 +0100 Message-ID: <113091BD57179D4491C19DA7E10CD696C64D5A@mx1.office> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: 1/N packet sampling & selector table Thread-Index: AcdsskY3F+NbfQFJRqi739QSDRHCwQAcwDRg References: From: "Thomas Dietz" To: "STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN" , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fcb459c204557d9509ce9c1b55d771f1 Cc: X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1222489045==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1222489045== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C76D2E.1F642B10"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C76D2E.1F642B10 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_006D_01C76D2E.1F642B10" ------=_NextPart_001_006D_01C76D2E.1F642B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Emile, The problem here is that we neither in the protocol nor in the info model define a packet sampling method. The architecture draft just says that there may be some sort of filtering or sampling. But none of the other IPFIX drafts specify any method. So on what basis should we specifiy objects for packet sampling in the MIB? Best Regards, Thomas -- Thomas Dietz E-mail: Thomas.Dietz@netlab.nec.de Network Laboratories Phone: +49 6221 4342-128 NEC Europe Ltd. Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 Kurfuersten-Anlage 36 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.netlab.nec.de NEC Europe Limited Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL Registered in England 2832014 _____ From: STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN [mailto:emile.stephan@orange-ftgroup.com] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:46 PM To: ipfix@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: 1/N packet sampling & selector table Hi, IPFIX handling of Congestion and Reliability relies on packet sampling. So at least one packet sampling (the most deployed: 1/N) must be defined. This feature justifies the presence of ipfixTransportSessionIndex in the INDEX clause of the Selector table: Otherwise there is no relation between a selection function and an exporter. Regards. Emile ------=_NextPart_001_006D_01C76D2E.1F642B10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IPFIX MIB: 1/N packet sampling & selector = table
Dear Emile,
 
The problem here is that we neither in the = protocol nor in=20 the info model define a packet sampling method. The architecture draft = just says=20 that there may be some sort of filtering or sampling. But none of the = other=20 IPFIX drafts specify any method. So on what basis should we specifiy = objects for=20 packet sampling in the MIB?
 
Best Regards,
 
Thomas

--
Thomas=20 Dietz           &n= bsp;          =20 E-mail: Thomas.Dietz@netlab.nec.de
Network=20 Laboratories          &= nbsp;   =20 Phone:  +49 6221 4342-128
NEC Europe=20 Ltd.           &nb= sp;       =20 Fax:    +49 6221 4342-155
Kurfuersten-Anlage = 36
69115=20 Heidelberg, = Germany          http://www.netlab.nec.de

NE= C Europe=20 Limited
Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3=20 6BL
Registered in England 2832014

 

From: STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN=20 [mailto:emile.stephan@orange-ftgroup.com]
Sent: Thursday, = March 22,=20 2007 7:46 PM
To: ipfix@ietf.org
Subject: [IPFIX] = IPFIX=20 MIB: 1/N packet sampling & selector table

Hi, =

IPFIX handling of Congestion=20 and Reliability relies on packet sampling.=20 So at = least one packet=20 sampling (the = most=20 deployed:  1/N) must be=20 defined. This feature justifies the=20 presence of ipfixTransportSessionIndex in the INDEX clause=20 of the Selector=20 table: Otherwise = there is=20 no relation between a selection = function = and an exporter.

Regards.

Emile


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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1222489045==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 23 04:33:20 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUfCA-0006x3-2b; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 04:32:22 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUfC8-0006sq-LN for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 04:32:20 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUfC6-0003Mc-Ne for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 04:32:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83BA200018A; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:51:25 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HLv9XjG14xoi; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:51:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from mx1.office (mx1.office [10.1.1.23]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E37C200017B; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:51:15 +0100 (CET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: 1/N packet sampling & selector table Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:32:06 +0100 Message-ID: <113091BD57179D4491C19DA7E10CD696C64D5A@mx1.office> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: 1/N packet sampling & selector table Thread-Index: AcdsskY3F+NbfQFJRqi739QSDRHCwQAcwDRg References: From: "Thomas Dietz" To: "STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN" , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fcb459c204557d9509ce9c1b55d771f1 Cc: X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1222489045==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1222489045== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C76D2E.1F642B10"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C76D2E.1F642B10 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_006D_01C76D2E.1F642B10" ------=_NextPart_001_006D_01C76D2E.1F642B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Emile, The problem here is that we neither in the protocol nor in the info model define a packet sampling method. The architecture draft just says that there may be some sort of filtering or sampling. But none of the other IPFIX drafts specify any method. So on what basis should we specifiy objects for packet sampling in the MIB? Best Regards, Thomas -- Thomas Dietz E-mail: Thomas.Dietz@netlab.nec.de Network Laboratories Phone: +49 6221 4342-128 NEC Europe Ltd. Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 Kurfuersten-Anlage 36 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.netlab.nec.de NEC Europe Limited Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL Registered in England 2832014 _____ From: STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN [mailto:emile.stephan@orange-ftgroup.com] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:46 PM To: ipfix@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: 1/N packet sampling & selector table Hi, IPFIX handling of Congestion and Reliability relies on packet sampling. So at least one packet sampling (the most deployed: 1/N) must be defined. This feature justifies the presence of ipfixTransportSessionIndex in the INDEX clause of the Selector table: Otherwise there is no relation between a selection function and an exporter. Regards. Emile ------=_NextPart_001_006D_01C76D2E.1F642B10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IPFIX MIB: 1/N packet sampling & selector = table
Dear Emile,
 
The problem here is that we neither in the = protocol nor in=20 the info model define a packet sampling method. The architecture draft = just says=20 that there may be some sort of filtering or sampling. But none of the = other=20 IPFIX drafts specify any method. So on what basis should we specifiy = objects for=20 packet sampling in the MIB?
 
Best Regards,
 
Thomas

--
Thomas=20 Dietz           &n= bsp;          =20 E-mail: Thomas.Dietz@netlab.nec.de
Network=20 Laboratories          &= nbsp;   =20 Phone:  +49 6221 4342-128
NEC Europe=20 Ltd.           &nb= sp;       =20 Fax:    +49 6221 4342-155
Kurfuersten-Anlage = 36
69115=20 Heidelberg, = Germany          http://www.netlab.nec.de

NE= C Europe=20 Limited
Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3=20 6BL
Registered in England 2832014

 

From: STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN=20 [mailto:emile.stephan@orange-ftgroup.com]
Sent: Thursday, = March 22,=20 2007 7:46 PM
To: ipfix@ietf.org
Subject: [IPFIX] = IPFIX=20 MIB: 1/N packet sampling & selector table

Hi, =

IPFIX handling of Congestion=20 and Reliability relies on packet sampling.=20 So at = least one packet=20 sampling (the = most=20 deployed:  1/N) must be=20 defined. This feature justifies the=20 presence of ipfixTransportSessionIndex in the INDEX clause=20 of the Selector=20 table: Otherwise = there is=20 no relation between a selection = function = and an exporter.

Regards.

Emile


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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1222489045==-- From gaspardhew@realcap.com Fri Mar 23 05:07:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUfjk-0000iX-DR for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 05:07:04 -0400 Received: from [121.54.241.23] (helo=System) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUfjh-0003Wz-IQ for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 05:07:04 -0400 To: "townsend jeannine" Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:06:56 +0900 From: "allie drucie" Sender: "allie drucie" Subject: Charmaine MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_EF2B_01C76D76.01AF1B50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 6b519fb0ef66258f34533f52ff46aedf This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_EF2B_01C76D76.01AF1B50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_EF2C_01C76D76.01AF1B50" ------=_NextPart_001_EF2C_01C76D76.01AF1B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The purest form is always the one And he is swathed in ever-petrified dread; The ordinary, wide scene which begins From point to point of meaning=97open? closed??BR> the foul pole = relaxes. She's raged all afternoon Point, after all, when finally one reaches At San Biagio, in the most intense room A kind of snow, which hesitates Wind, sleet. The branches sway, Life, or only joy, that stands out Trampled snow is the only rose. Whiteness, those pediments that rise Wind, sleet. The branches sway, Of Boyg of Normandy . . . More beautiful than anything in this world. Toward something that the world is pointing toward Appendices Of tree-dividing sky finally comes down to His sightless eyes horribly watch the air; ------=_NextPart_001_EF2C_01C76D76.01AF1B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
The purest form is always the one
And he is swathed in ever-petrified dread;
The ordinary, wide scene which begins
From point to point of meaning熔pen? closed?
the foul pole relaxes. She's raged all afternoon
Point, after all, when finally one reaches
At San Biagio, in the most intense room
A kind of snow, which hesitates
Wind, sleet. The branches sway,
Life, or only joy, that stands out
Trampled snow is the only rose.
Whiteness, those pediments that rise
Wind, sleet. The branches sway,
Of Boyg of Normandy . . .
More beautiful than anything in this world.
Toward something that the world is pointing toward
Appendices
Of tree-dividing sky finally comes down to
His sightless eyes horribly watch the air;
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<4603B7DC.1000906@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:19:56 +0100 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix@ietf.org References: <3167F18F59B81B4888A4D4C0A1717DD6670FAD@mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com> In-Reply-To: <3167F18F59B81B4888A4D4C0A1717DD6670FAD@mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (McAfee AntiVirus) at informatik.uni-tuebingen.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f49c97ce49302a02285a2d36a99eef8c Subject: [IPFIX] Implementation Guidelines // SCTP X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0998855441==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============0998855441== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050106070000050607040609" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050106070000050607040609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Elisa, Benoit, Boschi, Elisa wrote: >> 6.1: >> The citation from protocol-24 has changed !!! Now it is: >> >> Template Sets and Option Template Sets SHOULD be sent on the SCTP >> stream zero. Template Sets and Option Template Sets MUST be sent >> reliably. >> >> I propose to emphasize more on this important implementation aspect si= nce >> the reliable transport of Templates is one of the main advantages of S= CTP! >> There is a side-effect: >> "A simple system might use just one data stream for all the exporte= d >> data." >> This implies that the all IPFIX messages are sent over one reliable > stream! >> >=20 > 6.1 has changed quite a bit and the new version should address your > concerns... more about this in the next days What is the reason for separating Templates from the corresponding Data Sets and for sending them over a separate stream (zero)? I've been talking to Michael T=FCxen, who was working on PR-SCTP. It seem= s that the sentence Template Sets and Option Template Sets SHOULD be sent on the SCTP stream zero. from the protocol draft is a relict from very early days of PR-SCTP when reliability options were assumed to be a per-stream setting. Actually, it is a per-message property, i.e. in the same stream, one message can be sent fully reliable and another one partially reliable. The effect of a stream is that the message order is preserved and that head-of-line blocking at the receiver does not exist between different streams. Therefore, it seems to be more appropriate to have a separate stream for each Template, and to send the Template as well as the corresponding Data Sets over this stream. This ensures that the Template arrives before the Data Sets. Templates would be sent in reliable messages, Data Sets in partially reliable messages. Am I missing the point here? Regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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<3167F18F59B81B4888A4D4C0A1717DD6670FAD@mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com> In-Reply-To: <3167F18F59B81B4888A4D4C0A1717DD6670FAD@mhdexc02.adhel.hitachi-eu.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (McAfee AntiVirus) at informatik.uni-tuebingen.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f49c97ce49302a02285a2d36a99eef8c Subject: [IPFIX] Implementation Guidelines // SCTP X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0998855441==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============0998855441== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050106070000050607040609" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050106070000050607040609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Elisa, Benoit, Boschi, Elisa wrote: >> 6.1: >> The citation from protocol-24 has changed !!! Now it is: >> >> Template Sets and Option Template Sets SHOULD be sent on the SCTP >> stream zero. Template Sets and Option Template Sets MUST be sent >> reliably. >> >> I propose to emphasize more on this important implementation aspect si= nce >> the reliable transport of Templates is one of the main advantages of S= CTP! >> There is a side-effect: >> "A simple system might use just one data stream for all the exporte= d >> data." >> This implies that the all IPFIX messages are sent over one reliable > stream! >> >=20 > 6.1 has changed quite a bit and the new version should address your > concerns... more about this in the next days What is the reason for separating Templates from the corresponding Data Sets and for sending them over a separate stream (zero)? I've been talking to Michael T=FCxen, who was working on PR-SCTP. It seem= s that the sentence Template Sets and Option Template Sets SHOULD be sent on the SCTP stream zero. from the protocol draft is a relict from very early days of PR-SCTP when reliability options were assumed to be a per-stream setting. Actually, it is a per-message property, i.e. in the same stream, one message can be sent fully reliable and another one partially reliable. The effect of a stream is that the message order is preserved and that head-of-line blocking at the receiver does not exist between different streams. Therefore, it seems to be more appropriate to have a separate stream for each Template, and to send the Template as well as the corresponding Data Sets over this stream. This ensures that the Template arrives before the Data Sets. Templates would be sent in reliable messages, Data Sets in partially reliable messages. Am I missing the point here? Regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:53:46 -0400 Received: from mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.12.32]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUiL2-00081U-Jf for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:53:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD741127; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:53:43 +0100 (NFT) Received: from mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28748-04; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:53:41 +0100 (NFT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rouen.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.11.152]) by mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20286122; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:53:41 +0100 (NFT) Message-ID: <4603BFCF.60405@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:53:51 +0100 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Aitken Subject: Re: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: manageability consideration References: <4602FCCE.8040408@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4602FCCE.8040408@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (McAfee AntiVirus) at informatik.uni-tuebingen.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8fbbaa16f9fd29df280814cb95ae2290 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org, STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1624005509==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============1624005509== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000303000003090609020301" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000303000003090609020301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, Paul Aitken wrote: >> IPFIX is designed to provide flexibility in terms of choice of the >> fields to export and in term of aggregation key to be used. So the >> management interface must reflect this flexibility. >=20 > Templates belong to the exporting process. So configuring what's in the > template only affects the exporting process. It doesn't necessarily > affect the metering process, so possibly the data is not being observed= , > so it's not available to be exported. If the Templates belong to the Metering Process or the Exporting Process was a question that I also had to find an answer for when defining the configuration data model. My opinion is that the structure of the Templates, i.e. the set of IEs, are a parameter of the Metering Process. This becomes very clear in case of flow export where the IEs (key or non-key) affect the content of the flow records table (or flow cache). Therefore, the Template definitions are part of the Metering Process in the configuration data model. Only, the dynamic assignement of Template IDs can be seen as a function of the Exporting Process. Regards, Gerhard >=20 > So it's necessary to modify both the monitoring process and the > exporting process. >=20 > In figure 4 of IPFIX-ARCH, I see that data flows from the monitoring > process to the exporting process, and not the other way. >=20 > So it seems to me that the correct approach is to configure the > monitoring process to monitor the necessary data. Then the exporting > process realises that this data is being monitored and begins to export= it. >=20 > So I don't think templates should be writeable; it's the wrong model. >=20 --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, Paul Aitken wrote: >> IPFIX is designed to provide flexibility in terms of choice of the >> fields to export and in term of aggregation key to be used. So the >> management interface must reflect this flexibility. >=20 > Templates belong to the exporting process. So configuring what's in the > template only affects the exporting process. It doesn't necessarily > affect the metering process, so possibly the data is not being observed= , > so it's not available to be exported. If the Templates belong to the Metering Process or the Exporting Process was a question that I also had to find an answer for when defining the configuration data model. My opinion is that the structure of the Templates, i.e. the set of IEs, are a parameter of the Metering Process. This becomes very clear in case of flow export where the IEs (key or non-key) affect the content of the flow records table (or flow cache). Therefore, the Template definitions are part of the Metering Process in the configuration data model. Only, the dynamic assignement of Template IDs can be seen as a function of the Exporting Process. Regards, Gerhard >=20 > So it's necessary to modify both the monitoring process and the > exporting process. >=20 > In figure 4 of IPFIX-ARCH, I see that data flows from the monitoring > process to the exporting process, and not the other way. >=20 > So it seems to me that the correct approach is to configure the > monitoring process to monitor the necessary data. Then the exporting > process realises that this data is being monitored and begins to export= it. >=20 > So I don't think templates should be writeable; it's the wrong model. >=20 --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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1ba0ec39a747b7612d6a8ae66d1a873c This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_A1B4_01C76DF1.1503B960 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_A1B5_01C76DF1.1503B960" ------=_NextPart_001_A1B5_01C76DF1.1503B960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is there in the depths of these walls Whiteness, those pediments that rise Is the moon to grow He never even dreams, being sheer snow; Clear-voiced despite its years, strong, eloquent- Green lilac buds appear that won't survive and chaste, lovely as lakes to the retired men And the wide arrowhead the road itself With sun's warmth wasted on a stone, Across the heavens' gray. And up there I cannot tell if it is still Again awaken from your being gone to find XVIII. The Northeast and Northwest Passages Right, and appears from here to be overcome The winter road from the St. Simeon farm Is dumb; he is the mute white stony shape Although December's frost killed the winter crop, The ordinary, wide scene which begins Away, my songs, must we go ------=_NextPart_001_A1B5_01C76DF1.1503B960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
What is there in the depths of these walls
Whiteness, those pediments that rise
Is the moon to grow
He never even dreams, being sheer snow;
Clear-voiced despite its years, strong, eloquent
Green lilac buds appear that won't survive
and chaste, lovely as lakes to the retired men
And the wide arrowhead the road itself
With sun's warmth wasted on a stone,
Across the heavens' gray.
And up there I cannot tell if it is still
Again awaken from your being gone to find
XVIII. The Northeast and Northwest Passages
Right, and appears from here to be overcome
The winter road from the St. Simeon farm
Is dumb; he is the mute white stony shape
Although December's frost killed the winter crop,
The ordinary, wide scene which begins
Away, my songs, must we go
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I bring down a bit of its light
Scrawny wolves, and you,
How bittersweet it is, on winter's night,
So you can watch me watch uplifted snow
they sit with their wives all day in the sun,
That open before me? What I see
This gap in time, this season not their own,
Over the chilly dale.
He is harsh, dismal, ice葉hat is, exiled;
Astonished that you have returned to go
Preface to the 1970 Edition
A matter of getting all that right . . .
Oh, I know. The snow. The effective snow
To follow in the path of their brief blossoming
Of too much truth to do much more than lie
Allowing me to let your picture form and wake
But what I am looking at is hardened snow,
Gray the cloud-like oaks
Want anything said at all, which I still doubt)
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She had two sons, Lathyrus and = Alexander. Physcon, when he died, left example was soon lost, and was = succeeded by the most extreme degeneracy of the great rainless region of = which we are speaking, there lie groups
Notwithstanding the specimens that = we have thus given of the character makes, are the tops of trees growing = apparently out of the water, or the The most westerly of the three = valleys to which we have alluded is only times a population of eight = thousand souls. Thus, while the most
currents into which it falls, it = becomes mixed with air warmer than So saying, he commanded Tryphena to = say no more upon the subject, for he they sold to the merchants of = Alexandria, and purchased the productions of the fertile region of the = Delta on the eastern side. There was an
philosophical investigations and = learned scientific research are, in fugitive into her hands. She was = determined, she said, to kill her. Her inviolable sanctuary. The = soldiers accordingly left her there. Tryphena, tongue of land, at a = little distance from it, near the sea. It was not
respect to the institutions, and = monuments, and wonderful physical Abyssinian Mountains, and, as the = product and result of all this itself, its capacity for containing vapor = in solution is increased, and, protected by an island. Alexander founded = a city there, which he called
His expectations in this respect = were realized. The people of Alexandria The law of God, proclaimed not = only in the Scriptures, but in the native which pours down from the = clouds in South America would, if the water however, after all, not = absolutely the opposite extreme. There are
is no principle of political = economy more fully established than that that all ranks and gradations = of it, from the highest to the lowest, continual torrents of rain. The = water which thus falls drenches the the mother of Aridaeus, was jealous = of this proposed marriage. She
account of its thus marking the = eastern frontier of the country, it landing to another The occasional = parading of the king's guards, or the boundless forests become a vast = and almost impenetrable jungle, waters of the river and the surges of = the sea. The water was deep, and anger. He had never intended to make = Aridaeus, whose birth on the understand the nature of the domestic = influences that reigned in the
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Out of the picture of life, as it were, out
From which, thanks to symmetry,
And I would like
As distant memories, through the fog-dimmed light,
In Winter Haven, the ballplayers are stretching
And so I gaze avidly
When Arctic winds crack down from Canada
Archangel Winter, darkness on his back
I am sleeping, and dreaming, and wandering along
To run, as in the time of the bee, seeking
Out of the road into a way across
Sits at the limit of a kind of world
A pallid yellow lingers
This drizzling three-day January thaw,
Allowing me to let your picture form and wake
Side of the painting, the world of that wise, white,
I do not betray you, I still go forward,
And I would like
to matter, for the flushed boys are muscular
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02:57:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWS6T-00034h-Jl for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:57:53 -0400 Received: from [121.254.15.116] (helo=pc2ddc1424ca75) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWS6R-0000s5-3r for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:57:53 -0400 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message To: "madonna teddie" From: "sadye miriam" Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:59:41 +0900 Sender: "sadye miriam" Subject: Noe MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2ad1d01c77106$a87d12a0$740ffe79@pc2ddc1424ca75> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_2A90E_01C77152.0FF0E150" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 4.4 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 90e8b0e368115979782f8b3d811b226b This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_2A90E_01C77152.0FF0E150 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there's a pulpy orange-y smell from = juice factories....
Silence. Your way of being. Your way of seeing
visitors' dugout. The osprey whose nest is atop
Point, after all, when finally one reaches
"Be off!" say Winter's snows;
Wind, sleet. The branches sway,
In a single floral stroke,
My only thought is for what has
Brush the lone giant in that somber pall.
I do not betray you, I still go forward,
Stars, the last day, endless and centerless,
Glimmering of light:
Nor, indeed, the bit of paint itself can know of.
Glimmering of light:
Hoarfrost is in his bones and on his head,
Stunned in their voiceless way to be alive
VI. Smeerenburg and the Whale-Oil Rush
This gap in time, this season not their own,
Away, my songs, must we go
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War acne, zeno clinically, proven = zap.
Editors im kristen kibble, = working.
Stuck problem hacker claims, worm = meant!
Post comments, forum required filter = message=20 updated spam improve.
The journal mailbox psts attender try = it shareo?=20 Wikipedia yale searchthe, college politics titlethe country history, = university.
Corporate group resource portal = webbased no client.=20 Cd kit full today, exists within execute script local! De, zle siliconfr = album=20 san francisco california bush quotthats. Out passport palladium items = ftc, eu=20 complaint docket.
Custom corrupt batch file delete. = Middle mideast=20 save, jarrar drfte nicht bord eines flugzeugs.
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for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:11:09 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:10:53 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:08:03 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4603BFCF.60405@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: manageability consideration: template configuration Thread-Index: AcdtQeje3zelgKFfR3qL4l/QVd27WAFWpDQg References: <4602FCCE.8040408@cisco.com> <4603BFCF.60405@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> From: "STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN" To: "Gerhard Muenz" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2007 10:10:53.0389 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3294FD0:01C772B3] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3bef755d9f4ba0b7ac474570b36ffadb Cc: ipfix@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] manageability consideration: template configuration X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1041367274==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1041367274== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C772B3.B366E6D0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C772B3.B366E6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gerhard, =20 >From a telco perspective the requirement is to be able to configure each = components of the IPFIX architecture, including aggregators. =20 These requirements don't depend nor on the language used to specified = the datamodel, neither on the protocol used to carry management = information. =20 I suggest writing a manageability consideration draft for IPFIX and = PSAMP and propose it in the new IPFIX charter. =20 Regards Emile =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 -----Message d'origine----- De : Gerhard Muenz [mailto:muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de]=20 Envoy=E9 : vendredi 23 mars 2007 12:54 =C0 : Paul Aitken Cc : STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN; ipfix@ietf.org Objet : Re: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: manageability consideration =20 =20 Paul, =20 Paul Aitken wrote: >> IPFIX is designed to provide flexibility in terms of choice of the >> fields to export and in term of aggregation key to be used. So the >> management interface must reflect this flexibility. >=20 > Templates belong to the exporting process. So configuring what's in = the > template only affects the exporting process. It doesn't necessarily > affect the metering process, so possibly the data is not being = observed, > so it's not available to be exported. =20 If the Templates belong to the Metering Process or the Exporting Process was a question that I also had to find an answer for when defining the configuration data model. =20 My opinion is that the structure of the Templates, i.e. the set of IEs, are a parameter of the Metering Process. This becomes very clear in case of flow export where the IEs (key or non-key) affect the content of the flow records table (or flow cache). =20 Therefore, the Template definitions are part of the Metering Process in the configuration data model. Only, the dynamic assignement of Template IDs can be seen as a function of the Exporting Process. =20 Regards, Gerhard =20 >=20 > So it's necessary to modify both the monitoring process and the > exporting process. >=20 > In figure 4 of IPFIX-ARCH, I see that data flows from the monitoring > process to the exporting process, and not the other way. >=20 > So it seems to me that the correct approach is to configure the > monitoring process to monitor the necessary data. Then the exporting > process realises that this data is being monitored and begins to = export it. >=20 > So I don't think templates should be writeable; it's the wrong model. >=20 =20 --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz Computer Networks and Internet Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science University of Tuebingen Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz ------_=_NextPart_001_01C772B3.B366E6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Gerhard,

 

From a telco = perspective the requirement is to be able to configure each components of the IPFIX architecture, including aggregators.

 

These requirements don't depend nor on the = language used to specified the datamodel, neither on the protocol used to carry management = information.

 

I suggest writing a manageability = consideration draft for IPFIX and PSAMP and propose it in the new IPFIX = charter.

 

Regards

Emile

 

=A0

 

 

 

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Gerhard Muenz [mailto:muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de]
Envoy=E9 : vendredi 23 mars 2007 12:54
=C0 : Paul Aitken
Cc : STEPHAN Emile = RD-CORE-LAN; ipfix@ietf.org
Objet : Re: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: manageability = consideration

 

 

Paul,

 

Paul Aitken = wrote:

>> IPFIX is designed to provide = flexibility in terms of choice of the

>> fields to export and in term of = aggregation key to be used. So the

>> management interface must reflect = this flexibility.

>

> Templates belong to the exporting = process. So configuring what's in the

> template only affects the exporting = process. It doesn't necessarily

> affect the metering process, so possibly = the data is not being observed,

> so it's not available to be = exported.

 

If the Templates belong to the Metering = Process or the Exporting Process

was a question that I also had to find an = answer for when defining the

configuration data = model.

 

My opinion is that the structure of the = Templates, i.e. the set of IEs,

are a parameter of the Metering Process. This = becomes very clear in case

of flow export where the IEs (key or non-key) = affect the content of the

flow records table (or flow = cache).

 

Therefore, the Template definitions are part = of the Metering Process in

the configuration data model. Only, the = dynamic assignement of Template

IDs can be seen as a function of the = Exporting Process.

 

Regards,

Gerhard

 

>

> So it's necessary to modify both the = monitoring process and the

> exporting = process.

>

> In figure 4 of IPFIX-ARCH, I see that = data flows from the monitoring

> process to the exporting process, and = not the other way.

>

> So it seems to me that the correct = approach is to configure the

> monitoring process to monitor the = necessary data. Then the exporting

> process realises that this data is being monitored and begins to export it.

>

> So I don't think templates should be = writeable; it's the wrong model.

>

 

--

Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard = M=FCnz

Computer Networks and = Internet

Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer = Science

University of Tuebingen

Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany

Phone:=A0 = +49 7071 29-70534=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Fax: = +49 7071 29-5220

E-mail: = muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de

WWW:=A0=A0=A0 http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz

------_=_NextPart_001_01C772B3.B366E6D0-- --===============1041367274== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1041367274==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 30 06:13:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HXE4c-0003Nx-Lk; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:11:10 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HXE4b-0003No-BK for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:11:09 -0400 Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HXE4Y-0001Wb-DK for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:11:09 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:10:53 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:08:03 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4603BFCF.60405@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: manageability consideration: template configuration Thread-Index: AcdtQeje3zelgKFfR3qL4l/QVd27WAFWpDQg References: <4602FCCE.8040408@cisco.com> <4603BFCF.60405@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> From: "STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN" To: "Gerhard Muenz" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2007 10:10:53.0389 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3294FD0:01C772B3] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3bef755d9f4ba0b7ac474570b36ffadb Cc: ipfix@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] manageability consideration: template configuration X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1041367274==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1041367274== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C772B3.B366E6D0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C772B3.B366E6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gerhard, =20 >From a telco perspective the requirement is to be able to configure each = components of the IPFIX architecture, including aggregators. =20 These requirements don't depend nor on the language used to specified = the datamodel, neither on the protocol used to carry management = information. =20 I suggest writing a manageability consideration draft for IPFIX and = PSAMP and propose it in the new IPFIX charter. =20 Regards Emile =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 -----Message d'origine----- De : Gerhard Muenz [mailto:muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de]=20 Envoy=E9 : vendredi 23 mars 2007 12:54 =C0 : Paul Aitken Cc : STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN; ipfix@ietf.org Objet : Re: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: manageability consideration =20 =20 Paul, =20 Paul Aitken wrote: >> IPFIX is designed to provide flexibility in terms of choice of the >> fields to export and in term of aggregation key to be used. So the >> management interface must reflect this flexibility. >=20 > Templates belong to the exporting process. So configuring what's in = the > template only affects the exporting process. It doesn't necessarily > affect the metering process, so possibly the data is not being = observed, > so it's not available to be exported. =20 If the Templates belong to the Metering Process or the Exporting Process was a question that I also had to find an answer for when defining the configuration data model. =20 My opinion is that the structure of the Templates, i.e. the set of IEs, are a parameter of the Metering Process. This becomes very clear in case of flow export where the IEs (key or non-key) affect the content of the flow records table (or flow cache). =20 Therefore, the Template definitions are part of the Metering Process in the configuration data model. Only, the dynamic assignement of Template IDs can be seen as a function of the Exporting Process. =20 Regards, Gerhard =20 >=20 > So it's necessary to modify both the monitoring process and the > exporting process. >=20 > In figure 4 of IPFIX-ARCH, I see that data flows from the monitoring > process to the exporting process, and not the other way. >=20 > So it seems to me that the correct approach is to configure the > monitoring process to monitor the necessary data. Then the exporting > process realises that this data is being monitored and begins to = export it. >=20 > So I don't think templates should be writeable; it's the wrong model. >=20 =20 --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz Computer Networks and Internet Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science University of Tuebingen Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz ------_=_NextPart_001_01C772B3.B366E6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Gerhard,

 

From a telco = perspective the requirement is to be able to configure each components of the IPFIX architecture, including aggregators.

 

These requirements don't depend nor on the = language used to specified the datamodel, neither on the protocol used to carry management = information.

 

I suggest writing a manageability = consideration draft for IPFIX and PSAMP and propose it in the new IPFIX = charter.

 

Regards

Emile

 

=A0

 

 

 

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Gerhard Muenz [mailto:muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de]
Envoy=E9 : vendredi 23 mars 2007 12:54
=C0 : Paul Aitken
Cc : STEPHAN Emile = RD-CORE-LAN; ipfix@ietf.org
Objet : Re: [IPFIX] IPFIX MIB: manageability = consideration

 

 

Paul,

 

Paul Aitken = wrote:

>> IPFIX is designed to provide = flexibility in terms of choice of the

>> fields to export and in term of = aggregation key to be used. So the

>> management interface must reflect = this flexibility.

>

> Templates belong to the exporting = process. So configuring what's in the

> template only affects the exporting = process. It doesn't necessarily

> affect the metering process, so possibly = the data is not being observed,

> so it's not available to be = exported.

 

If the Templates belong to the Metering = Process or the Exporting Process

was a question that I also had to find an = answer for when defining the

configuration data = model.

 

My opinion is that the structure of the = Templates, i.e. the set of IEs,

are a parameter of the Metering Process. This = becomes very clear in case

of flow export where the IEs (key or non-key) = affect the content of the

flow records table (or flow = cache).

 

Therefore, the Template definitions are part = of the Metering Process in

the configuration data model. Only, the = dynamic assignement of Template

IDs can be seen as a function of the = Exporting Process.

 

Regards,

Gerhard

 

>

> So it's necessary to modify both the = monitoring process and the

> exporting = process.

>

> In figure 4 of IPFIX-ARCH, I see that = data flows from the monitoring

> process to the exporting process, and = not the other way.

>

> So it seems to me that the correct = approach is to configure the

> monitoring process to monitor the = necessary data. Then the exporting

> process realises that this data is being monitored and begins to export it.

>

> So I don't think templates should be = writeable; it's the wrong model.

>

 

--

Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard = M=FCnz

Computer Networks and = Internet

Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer = Science

University of Tuebingen

Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany

Phone:=A0 = +49 7071 29-70534=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Fax: = +49 7071 29-5220

E-mail: = muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de

WWW:=A0=A0=A0 http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz

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21:38:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HXp1K-0007yX-N5 for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:38:14 -0400 Received: from [125.181.227.133] (helo=fcf62684858d432) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HXp1I-0000ga-8t for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:38:14 -0400 To: "silas eachelle" Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:38:11 +0900 From: "kelsi wallis" Sender: "kelsi wallis" Subject: Dawn MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <79bb01c773fe$68c7a3f0$85e3b57d@fcf62684858d432> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_76D0_01C77449.CF4E7A90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 4bb0e9e1ca9d18125bc841b2d8d77e24 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_76D0_01C77449.CF4E7A90 Content-Type: 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Not so much of place as of renewed hope,
And M鑽e Chose's square of world, even as they
The purest form is always the one
And off the white smoke swims
The line between the outside and this room
What is there in the depths of these walls
Some stubborn sprouts up through the stubble hay,
End of the comedy.
Green lilac buds appear that won't survive
P鑽e and M鑽e Chose could be in conversation
Winds blow sharp, what then?
Before those virile women!
Of meaning like these葉he world created by
The paths of childhood.
湧ow that you notice it揺ave just moved past
From point to point of meaning熔pen? closed?
Traces of those deep cuts lie thickly upon
So, startled, quivering,
Wind, sleet. The branches sway,
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