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As a result of a series of IPFIX interoperability testing events the WG has produced guidelines for IPFIX implementation and testing as well as recommendations for handling special cases such as bidirectional flow reporting and reducing redundancy in flow records. Practical experiences with IPFIX implementations exposed new requirements for the IPFIX protocol that so far have not been addressed by the WG. The major current goal of the WG is developing solutions that meet the new requirements without modifying the core IPFIX protocol specifications. 1. The IPFIX WG has developed a MIB module for monitoring IPFIX implementations. Means for configuring these devices have not been standardized yet. The WG will develop an XML-based configuration data model that can be used for configuring IPFIX devices and for storing, modifying and managing IPFIX configurations parameter sets. This work will be performed in close collaboration with the NETCONF WG. 2. 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As a result of a series of IPFIX interoperability testing events the WG has produced guidelines for IPFIX implementation and testing as well as recommendations for handling special cases such as bidirectional flow reporting and reducing redundancy in flow records. Practical experiences with IPFIX implementations exposed new requirements for the IPFIX protocol that so far have not been addressed by the WG. The major current goal of the WG is developing solutions that meet the new requirements without modifying the core IPFIX protocol specifications. 1. The IPFIX WG has developed a MIB module for monitoring IPFIX implementations. Means for configuring these devices have not been standardized yet. The WG will develop an XML-based configuration data model that can be used for configuring IPFIX devices and for storing, modifying and managing IPFIX configurations parameter sets. This work will be performed in close collaboration with the NETCONF WG. 2. 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I will sum up about Problem statement and Framework and present it. > e) IPFIX Mediation (Kobayashi Atsushi, Christoph Sommer) (45 min) > - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-00.txt > - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-03.txt > The goals here are to produce two documents: > - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement' > - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework' > Early needs for this are the ability to aggregate > and anonymise large amounts of flow data > And also, I have submitted following draft. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kobayashi-ipfix-multicast-measure-00.txt I would like to discuss about multicast flow, again. I or co-author Haruhiko Nishida will prepare for presentation about it in next time slot. Is it OK? It takes about 10 minutes. > 5. Any Other Business =10 min Best Regards, Atsushi KOBAYASHI On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:11:18 +1300 Nevil Brownlee wrote: > Hi all: > > Thanks for all the feedback, I've updated the agenda for our > session in Vancouver, it's at > http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/agenda/ipfix.txt > > Those presenting, please remember to email me copies of your slides > a day or two *before* you present them to the meeting, so that I > can put them on the 'Meeting Materials' web page. > > Cheers, Nevil > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand > > > > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5637 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 14 11:25:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsL35-0002qu-7s; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:25:07 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsL34-0002pi-5z for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:25:06 -0500 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([2001:fa8::25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsL31-0003oe-Dt for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:25:06 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115] (may be forged)) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEGOpoG078477; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:24:52 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:24:53 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] Vancouver agenda, take two In-Reply-To: <5363D13D-A348-4442-A280-4F7C755CFB10@auckland.ac.nz> References: <5363D13D-A348-4442-A280-4F7C755CFB10@auckland.ac.nz> Message-Id: <20071115010838.3DCC.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:24:52 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8a67952aa972b528dd04570d58ad8fe Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear Nevil and all, I have enough time to present about IPFIX Mediators. I will sum up about Problem statement and Framework and present it. > e) IPFIX Mediation (Kobayashi Atsushi, Christoph Sommer) (45 min) > - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-00.txt > - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-03.txt > The goals here are to produce two documents: > - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement' > - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework' > Early needs for this are the ability to aggregate > and anonymise large amounts of flow data > And also, I have submitted following draft. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kobayashi-ipfix-multicast-measure-00.txt I would like to discuss about multicast flow, again. I or co-author Haruhiko Nishida will prepare for presentation about it in next time slot. Is it OK? It takes about 10 minutes. > 5. Any Other Business =10 min Best Regards, Atsushi KOBAYASHI On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:11:18 +1300 Nevil Brownlee wrote: > Hi all: > > Thanks for all the feedback, I've updated the agenda for our > session in Vancouver, it's at > http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/agenda/ipfix.txt > > Those presenting, please remember to email me copies of your slides > a day or two *before* you present them to the meeting, so that I > can put them on the 'Meeting Materials' web page. > > Cheers, Nevil > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand > > > > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5637 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 14 11:55:31 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsLWU-0006Ud-Bo; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:55:30 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsLWT-0006Sj-Fb for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:55:29 -0500 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([192.16.178.5]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsLWS-0000Yu-ON for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:55:29 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115] (may be forged)) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEGtQMY078625 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:55:26 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:55:26 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: ipfix@ietf.org Message-Id: <20071115014835.3DCE.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:55:26 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Subject: [IPFIX] multicast flow X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, I have submited following draft. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kobayashi-ipfix-multicast-measure-00.txt Now, multicast operation confronts several problems. There are not enough tools. It is difficult that network operatos monitor the multicast service condition. IPFIX/PSAMP must play a role for multicast operation. So, I have searched the past multicast flow discussion in IPFIX and already published RFC3917. RFC3917 say 5.7. Multicast Flows For multicast flows containing packets replicated to multiple output interfaces, the metering process should be able to maintain discrete flow records per different output interface. For example, the metering process should be able to report an incoming multicast packet that is replicated to four output interfaces in four different flow records that differ by the output interface. After reading the past IPFIX-ML archive and IETF54's slide about multicast flow, I see that collecting output interface indeses is hard in term of several factors, router's architecture and non-fixed format. http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipfix/current/msg01042.html http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/02jul/slides/ipfix-1/sld008.htm But, I think that the above solution is burden on Collector and Exporter. If access router that has thousands of subscribers exports replicated Flow Records, it seems to overload up both devices. To export output interface indexes, we can consider another solution, such as option templates. Once more, let's start discussion about multicast flow. Best Regards, Atsushi KOBAYASHI --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5637 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 14 11:55:31 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsLWU-0006Ud-Bo; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:55:30 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsLWT-0006Sj-Fb for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:55:29 -0500 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([192.16.178.5]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsLWS-0000Yu-ON for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:55:29 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115] (may be forged)) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEGtQMY078625 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:55:26 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:55:26 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: ipfix@ietf.org Message-Id: <20071115014835.3DCE.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:55:26 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Subject: [IPFIX] multicast flow X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, I have submited following draft. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kobayashi-ipfix-multicast-measure-00.txt Now, multicast operation confronts several problems. There are not enough tools. It is difficult that network operatos monitor the multicast service condition. IPFIX/PSAMP must play a role for multicast operation. So, I have searched the past multicast flow discussion in IPFIX and already published RFC3917. RFC3917 say 5.7. Multicast Flows For multicast flows containing packets replicated to multiple output interfaces, the metering process should be able to maintain discrete flow records per different output interface. For example, the metering process should be able to report an incoming multicast packet that is replicated to four output interfaces in four different flow records that differ by the output interface. After reading the past IPFIX-ML archive and IETF54's slide about multicast flow, I see that collecting output interface indeses is hard in term of several factors, router's architecture and non-fixed format. http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipfix/current/msg01042.html http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/02jul/slides/ipfix-1/sld008.htm But, I think that the above solution is burden on Collector and Exporter. If access router that has thousands of subscribers exports replicated Flow Records, it seems to overload up both devices. To export output interface indexes, we can consider another solution, such as option templates. Once more, let's start discussion about multicast flow. 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Introduction". > You don't have to mention what IPFIX is about and why it was created > (and mention UDP, TCP or even SCTP) and so on. Just link to the > relevant RFCs. Done: I reorganised and simplified the introduction. > 2) Sec 3.1.1. > "The transmitted data might be observed on-line with an appropriate > tool such as Wireshark (www.wireshark.org)." > > Please write the words "network sniffer" oder "packet sniffer" or > something else there, so everybody knows what you are trying to say. Good, done. > 3) Sec 3.2.1. > > "The tester MUST create a Template with a few fixed-size Information > Elements..." > > and later > > " MUST use various Information Elements in the Template so that each > data type...is used at least once" > > How about make that simply: > > "The tester MUST create Templates with fixed-size IEs where each data > type defined in ... is used at least once." Good suggestion, done. > 4) 3.5.1. Large number of Records for one Template > > "The tester MUST export many Data Records to the Collecting Process" > > how about add: "in order to put the Collecting Process under stress" > or somesuch to make clear why this test is to be performed? Well, it's in the "Stress/Load tests" section... But done. > 5) 3.6.5. > > Illegal use of reduced size encoding/ <- I think this "/" is superfluous. Fixed. > That's about it. > Cheers! > Ronny Thanks for your feedback! -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 18 16:32:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItrkO-0004s5-6b; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:32:08 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItrkN-0004s0-SH for ipfix@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:32:07 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItrkN-0005A7-Cz for ipfix@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:32:07 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,434,1188770400"; d="scan'208";a="158072217" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2007 22:32:07 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lAILW7vN027971; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:32:07 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lAILW6Um021748; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:32:06 GMT Received: from [10.61.65.77] (ams3-vpn-dhcp333.cisco.com [10.61.65.77]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01670; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:32:01 GMT Message-ID: <4740AF69.7090207@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:32:25 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071030 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christoph Sommer Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-ipfix-testing-02 References: <192642C9-9355-4DE1-AB9B-55B1FB52C5D9@auckland.ac.nz> <4725B269.5030901@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> In-Reply-To: <4725B269.5030901@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2130; t=1195421527; x=1196285527; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20WG=20Last=20Call=20for=20draft-ietf-ipfix-t esting-02 |Sender:=20; bh=qa77B+x7dldajgDZgNQrU8suCrT7VhTu9C7DY1Kt52c=; b=IDEj3EGl58VsTvyIbujXBKxhoImZEtQlURYe8YZu8FFKZYCRHOmfTRP4brnV6DJjjqeTLN7A LB0KB1T65V/HcLSS1sF4whFs1x/sGhvFphaY4w4fJhycbncSUfqUssoj; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Christoph, Thanks for reviewing the draft. > Following Paul's invitation, here's my nitpicking: > 3.1.1 par1) The first sentence seems to be missing a word somewhere Fixed. > 3.1.1 par2) Maybe add a short note that testing SCTP/TCP connectivity > may safely be skipped when testing UDP export, as recommended in par > 5 Clarified. > 3.2.1 par3) Maybe it could be made clearer that this test only > mandates testing with the 20 defined abstract data types, not all > 150+ types defined. The Infomodel document uses the terminology > "abstract data types" so as to reduce confusion with IEs Clarified. > 3.3.3 par1) Why the restriction to export the IEs either (1) > consecutively or (2) with other IEs in between? There doesn't seem to > be any other way than either 1 or 2. Should this be read as two > separate tests that both have to be performed? Divided into two tests. > 3.5.5, 3.5.6) These don't look like stress tests, but more like > connection tests, so they are a perfect fit for 3.1 (which currently > only consists of 3.1.1) In 3.1.1 we're only concerned with testing basic 1:1 connectivity before we can get underway with anything else. None of the other tests are possible without some basic connectivity. Whereas in tests 3.5.5 and 3.5.6 we're concerned with testing 1:N and N:1 connectivity to ensure that the Exporting Process is able to send data to multiple collectors (if so designed) and that the Collecting Process doesn't fail when multiple Exporting Processes are connected. So I kept them in the stress test section. > 3.6.4 d) For a stream-oriented (rather than message-oriented) > transport protocol, it might be hard to check if there is more data > than indicated available in a stream. This test might need to be > relaxed for TCP connections That's a very good point, thanks. I've clarified this and indicated that some of the tests aren't applicable to TCP transport. Please review the -03 draft to see whether you're happy with the changes. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 18 16:32:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItrkO-0004s5-6b; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:32:08 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItrkN-0004s0-SH for ipfix@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:32:07 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItrkN-0005A7-Cz for ipfix@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:32:07 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,434,1188770400"; d="scan'208";a="158072217" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2007 22:32:07 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lAILW7vN027971; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:32:07 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lAILW6Um021748; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:32:06 GMT Received: from [10.61.65.77] (ams3-vpn-dhcp333.cisco.com [10.61.65.77]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01670; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:32:01 GMT Message-ID: <4740AF69.7090207@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:32:25 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071030 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christoph Sommer Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-ipfix-testing-02 References: <192642C9-9355-4DE1-AB9B-55B1FB52C5D9@auckland.ac.nz> <4725B269.5030901@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> In-Reply-To: <4725B269.5030901@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2130; t=1195421527; x=1196285527; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20WG=20Last=20Call=20for=20draft-ietf-ipfix-t esting-02 |Sender:=20; bh=qa77B+x7dldajgDZgNQrU8suCrT7VhTu9C7DY1Kt52c=; b=IDEj3EGl58VsTvyIbujXBKxhoImZEtQlURYe8YZu8FFKZYCRHOmfTRP4brnV6DJjjqeTLN7A LB0KB1T65V/HcLSS1sF4whFs1x/sGhvFphaY4w4fJhycbncSUfqUssoj; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Christoph, Thanks for reviewing the draft. > Following Paul's invitation, here's my nitpicking: > 3.1.1 par1) The first sentence seems to be missing a word somewhere Fixed. > 3.1.1 par2) Maybe add a short note that testing SCTP/TCP connectivity > may safely be skipped when testing UDP export, as recommended in par > 5 Clarified. > 3.2.1 par3) Maybe it could be made clearer that this test only > mandates testing with the 20 defined abstract data types, not all > 150+ types defined. The Infomodel document uses the terminology > "abstract data types" so as to reduce confusion with IEs Clarified. > 3.3.3 par1) Why the restriction to export the IEs either (1) > consecutively or (2) with other IEs in between? There doesn't seem to > be any other way than either 1 or 2. Should this be read as two > separate tests that both have to be performed? Divided into two tests. > 3.5.5, 3.5.6) These don't look like stress tests, but more like > connection tests, so they are a perfect fit for 3.1 (which currently > only consists of 3.1.1) In 3.1.1 we're only concerned with testing basic 1:1 connectivity before we can get underway with anything else. None of the other tests are possible without some basic connectivity. Whereas in tests 3.5.5 and 3.5.6 we're concerned with testing 1:N and N:1 connectivity to ensure that the Exporting Process is able to send data to multiple collectors (if so designed) and that the Collecting Process doesn't fail when multiple Exporting Processes are connected. So I kept them in the stress test section. > 3.6.4 d) For a stream-oriented (rather than message-oriented) > transport protocol, it might be hard to check if there is more data > than indicated available in a stream. This test might need to be > relaxed for TCP connections That's a very good point, thanks. I've clarified this and indicated that some of the tests aren't applicable to TCP transport. Please review the -03 draft to see whether you're happy with the changes. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 18 16:40:36 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Itrsa-0004MO-2l; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:40:36 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItrsX-0004Ly-8n; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:40:33 -0500 Received: from ns3.neustar.com ([156.154.24.138]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItrsW-0005Px-Re; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:40:33 -0500 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4DA175AC; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:40:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Itrs2-0006kY-1O; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:40:02 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:40:02 -0500 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a2c12dacc0736f14d6b540e805505a86 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ipfix-testing-03.txt X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Flow Information Export Working Group of the IETF. Title : IP Flow Information eXport (IPFIX) Testing Author(s) : C. Schmoll, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ipfix-testing-03.txt Pages : 41 Date : 2007-11-18 This document presents a list of tests that implementers of IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) compliant Exporting Processes and Collecting Processes should perform on their IPFIX Exporting Process and/or Collecting Process. This document has been created to help implementers test the functionality of their IPFIX Exporting Process and/or Collecting Process. 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for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:03:19 -0500 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuQsw-0006hy-NQ for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:03:19 -0500 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAKB3HZd023134 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:03:17 +0100 Message-ID: <4742BEBB.8080603@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:02:19 +0100 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ipfix@ietf.org" X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.6.0.34; VDF: 7.0.0.236; host: mx06) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7fa173a723009a6ca8ce575a65a5d813 Subject: [IPFIX] New IPFIX configuration draft available X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0322849161==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============0322849161== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060606080403090901010905" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060606080403090901010905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, Benoit and me finished a new version of the IPFIX configuration draft. We received three valuable reviews - thank you! - and tried to address most of the raised issues. The draft can be downloaded from the following link: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/fileadmin/RI/members/muenz/documen= ts/draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt An HTML version is also available: http://www.history-project.net/publications/200711_draft-muenz-ipfix-conf= iguration-03.html Unfortunately, I missed yesterday's submission deadline. Nevertheless, I submitted the draft to internet-drafts@ietf.org for publication and we will see when it is published. Sorry for the bad time management. Regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:28:08 -0500 Received: from no-more.cisco.com ([64.104.206.251] helo=av-tac-apt.cisco.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuT94-0002Rh-U9 for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:28:08 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-apt.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id lAKDS3I20260; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:28:03 +1100 (EST) Received: from [10.61.66.203] (ams3-vpn-dhcp715.cisco.com [10.61.66.203]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id lAKDRrI05086; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:27:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4742E0D9.2010009@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:27:53 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kobayashi atsushi Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 References: <20070822005259.F189.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <46CBF32F.2010606@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <20070824020413.B07F.AKOBA@nttv6.net> In-Reply-To: <20070824020413.B07F.AKOBA@nttv6.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3971661e40967acfc35f708dd5f33760 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0761557899==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0761557899== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080806050709020609080100" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080806050709020609080100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Kobayashi-san, Gerhard, > >>> - 5.4 CacheParameters Class >>> If we select the "immediate" type, the IPFIX datagram might have only >>> one flow records. Generally, the load of router depends on the volume of >>> IPFIX packets. Preferably, it is better that IPFIX datagram has multiple >>> flow records. To mitigate it, I hope that this class has the maximum >>> timer until it exports them. >>> Even if we select "immediate", it can wait until time out, or the flow >>> records are filled in the IPFIX packet. >>> >> Good point. In former versions (-00,-01), I had introduced two Exporting >> Process parameters: >> >> >> 1500 >> 500 >> >> >> The first specifies the maximum IPFIX message size, which can be useful >> to avoid fragmentation in the case of UDP. Yet, as devices can query the >> MTU autonomously, we omitted this parameter in -02. >> >> The second parameter was to specify a maximum export delay which allows >> the Exporting Process to wait for more records if the IPFIX message is >> not yet filled. I think this corresponds to the timer you are referring to. >> We omitted this parameter because Flexible Netflow does not allow to >> configure it. In our implementation (Vermont), we do have both of these >> parameters, and we would extend the configuration data model with >> device-specific parameters in order to configure them. >> >> Yet, if more people think that we need something like maxExportDelay, we >> can add such a parameter in the standard configuration data model. >> >> > > I agree 2 parameters, maxPacketSize and maxExportDelay. > I'm wondering if this is such as good idea to add those parameters. The propability to need maxExportDelay in real live is very low. I've seen the need _in my lab_ when we test a single ping, and there is a single flow to be exported: not quite enough to fill in the export packet. But I've never seen the need in real live. However, if such a timer is implemented in our boxes, it's not configurable. Btw, for the immediate cache type, the goal is send a packet as far as possible. A typical case is for security (note that immediate cache type should only be used in seldom situations). So having a maximum timer before the export goes a little bit against the goal. In the posted draft, here is what we wrote: o Request for additional parameters concerning the composition of IPFIX messages at the exporter, e.g. how long may the exporter wait until an expired record is exported? Waiting may be useful in order to fill up IPFIX messages. We (the authors) decided not to add such parameters for the following reasons: 1) the composition of IPFIX messages has not been described as configurable or managable in any other IPFIX document, and 2) today's configuration possibilities depend very much on the device or manufacturer. We propose to use device or manufacturer-dependent extensions of the configuration data model. Note that we missed the deadline for the draft submission by 20 minutes... :( Regards, Benoit. --------------080806050709020609080100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Kobayashi-san, Gerhard,

- 5.4 CacheParameters Class
If we select the "immediate" type, the IPFIX datagram might have only
one flow records. Generally, the load of router depends on the volume of
IPFIX packets. Preferably, it is better that IPFIX datagram has multiple
flow records. To mitigate it, I hope that this class has the maximum
timer until it exports them.
Even if we select "immediate", it can wait until time out, or the flow
records are filled in the IPFIX packet.
      
Good point. In former versions (-00,-01), I had introduced two Exporting
Process parameters:

       <ipfixPacketRestrictions>
         <maxPacketSize>1500</maxPacketSize>
         <maxExportDelay unit="msec">500</maxExportDelay>
       </ipfixPacketRestrictions>

The first specifies the maximum IPFIX message size, which can be useful
to avoid fragmentation in the case of UDP. Yet, as devices can query the
MTU autonomously, we omitted this parameter in -02.

The second parameter was to specify a maximum export delay which allows
the Exporting Process to wait for more records if the IPFIX message is
not yet filled. I think this corresponds to the timer you are referring to.
We omitted this parameter because Flexible Netflow does not allow to
configure it. In our implementation (Vermont), we do have both of these
parameters, and we would extend the configuration data model with
device-specific parameters in order to configure them.

Yet, if more people think that we need something like maxExportDelay, we
can add such a parameter in the standard configuration data model.

    

I agree 2 parameters, maxPacketSize and maxExportDelay.
  
I'm wondering if this is such as good idea to add those parameters.
The propability to need maxExportDelay in real live is very low. I've seen the need in my lab when we test a single ping, and there is a single flow to be exported: not quite enough to fill in the export packet. But I've never seen the need in real live. However, if such a timer is implemented in our boxes, it's not configurable.
Btw, for the immediate cache type, the goal is send a packet as far as possible. A typical case is for security (note that immediate cache type should only be used in seldom situations). So having a maximum timer before the export goes a little bit against the goal.
In the posted draft, here is what we wrote:
   o  Request for additional parameters concerning the composition of
      IPFIX messages at the exporter, e.g. how long may the exporter
      wait until an expired record is exported?  Waiting may be useful
      in order to fill up IPFIX messages.
      We (the authors) decided not to add such parameters for the
      following reasons: 1) the composition of IPFIX messages has not
      been described as configurable or managable in any other IPFIX
      document, and 2) today's configuration possibilities depend very
      much on the device or manufacturer.  We propose to use device or
      manufacturer-dependent extensions of the configuration data model.
Note that we missed the deadline for the draft submission by 20 minutes... :(

Regards, Benoit.
--------------080806050709020609080100-- --===============0761557899== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============0761557899==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 20 08:28:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuT97-00089Y-Lr; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:28:09 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuT96-00089O-4V for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:28:08 -0500 Received: from no-more.cisco.com ([64.104.206.251] helo=av-tac-apt.cisco.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuT94-0002Rh-U9 for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:28:08 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-apt.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id lAKDS3I20260; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:28:03 +1100 (EST) Received: from [10.61.66.203] (ams3-vpn-dhcp715.cisco.com [10.61.66.203]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id lAKDRrI05086; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:27:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4742E0D9.2010009@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:27:53 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kobayashi atsushi Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 References: <20070822005259.F189.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <46CBF32F.2010606@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <20070824020413.B07F.AKOBA@nttv6.net> In-Reply-To: <20070824020413.B07F.AKOBA@nttv6.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3971661e40967acfc35f708dd5f33760 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0761557899==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0761557899== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080806050709020609080100" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080806050709020609080100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Kobayashi-san, Gerhard, > >>> - 5.4 CacheParameters Class >>> If we select the "immediate" type, the IPFIX datagram might have only >>> one flow records. Generally, the load of router depends on the volume of >>> IPFIX packets. Preferably, it is better that IPFIX datagram has multiple >>> flow records. To mitigate it, I hope that this class has the maximum >>> timer until it exports them. >>> Even if we select "immediate", it can wait until time out, or the flow >>> records are filled in the IPFIX packet. >>> >> Good point. In former versions (-00,-01), I had introduced two Exporting >> Process parameters: >> >> >> 1500 >> 500 >> >> >> The first specifies the maximum IPFIX message size, which can be useful >> to avoid fragmentation in the case of UDP. Yet, as devices can query the >> MTU autonomously, we omitted this parameter in -02. >> >> The second parameter was to specify a maximum export delay which allows >> the Exporting Process to wait for more records if the IPFIX message is >> not yet filled. I think this corresponds to the timer you are referring to. >> We omitted this parameter because Flexible Netflow does not allow to >> configure it. In our implementation (Vermont), we do have both of these >> parameters, and we would extend the configuration data model with >> device-specific parameters in order to configure them. >> >> Yet, if more people think that we need something like maxExportDelay, we >> can add such a parameter in the standard configuration data model. >> >> > > I agree 2 parameters, maxPacketSize and maxExportDelay. > I'm wondering if this is such as good idea to add those parameters. The propability to need maxExportDelay in real live is very low. I've seen the need _in my lab_ when we test a single ping, and there is a single flow to be exported: not quite enough to fill in the export packet. But I've never seen the need in real live. However, if such a timer is implemented in our boxes, it's not configurable. Btw, for the immediate cache type, the goal is send a packet as far as possible. A typical case is for security (note that immediate cache type should only be used in seldom situations). So having a maximum timer before the export goes a little bit against the goal. In the posted draft, here is what we wrote: o Request for additional parameters concerning the composition of IPFIX messages at the exporter, e.g. how long may the exporter wait until an expired record is exported? Waiting may be useful in order to fill up IPFIX messages. We (the authors) decided not to add such parameters for the following reasons: 1) the composition of IPFIX messages has not been described as configurable or managable in any other IPFIX document, and 2) today's configuration possibilities depend very much on the device or manufacturer. We propose to use device or manufacturer-dependent extensions of the configuration data model. Note that we missed the deadline for the draft submission by 20 minutes... :( Regards, Benoit. --------------080806050709020609080100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Kobayashi-san, Gerhard,

- 5.4 CacheParameters Class
If we select the "immediate" type, the IPFIX datagram might have only
one flow records. Generally, the load of router depends on the volume of
IPFIX packets. Preferably, it is better that IPFIX datagram has multiple
flow records. To mitigate it, I hope that this class has the maximum
timer until it exports them.
Even if we select "immediate", it can wait until time out, or the flow
records are filled in the IPFIX packet.
      
Good point. In former versions (-00,-01), I had introduced two Exporting
Process parameters:

       <ipfixPacketRestrictions>
         <maxPacketSize>1500</maxPacketSize>
         <maxExportDelay unit="msec">500</maxExportDelay>
       </ipfixPacketRestrictions>

The first specifies the maximum IPFIX message size, which can be useful
to avoid fragmentation in the case of UDP. Yet, as devices can query the
MTU autonomously, we omitted this parameter in -02.

The second parameter was to specify a maximum export delay which allows
the Exporting Process to wait for more records if the IPFIX message is
not yet filled. I think this corresponds to the timer you are referring to.
We omitted this parameter because Flexible Netflow does not allow to
configure it. In our implementation (Vermont), we do have both of these
parameters, and we would extend the configuration data model with
device-specific parameters in order to configure them.

Yet, if more people think that we need something like maxExportDelay, we
can add such a parameter in the standard configuration data model.

    

I agree 2 parameters, maxPacketSize and maxExportDelay.
  
I'm wondering if this is such as good idea to add those parameters.
The propability to need maxExportDelay in real live is very low. I've seen the need in my lab when we test a single ping, and there is a single flow to be exported: not quite enough to fill in the export packet. But I've never seen the need in real live. However, if such a timer is implemented in our boxes, it's not configurable.
Btw, for the immediate cache type, the goal is send a packet as far as possible. A typical case is for security (note that immediate cache type should only be used in seldom situations). So having a maximum timer before the export goes a little bit against the goal.
In the posted draft, here is what we wrote:
   o  Request for additional parameters concerning the composition of
      IPFIX messages at the exporter, e.g. how long may the exporter
      wait until an expired record is exported?  Waiting may be useful
      in order to fill up IPFIX messages.
      We (the authors) decided not to add such parameters for the
      following reasons: 1) the composition of IPFIX messages has not
      been described as configurable or managable in any other IPFIX
      document, and 2) today's configuration possibilities depend very
      much on the device or manufacturer.  We propose to use device or
      manufacturer-dependent extensions of the configuration data model.
Note that we missed the deadline for the draft submission by 20 minutes... :(

Regards, Benoit.
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C82B7B.5B45EC20-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 20 15:47:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iua0U-0007nK-G8; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:47:42 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iua0T-0007nA-7i for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:47:41 -0500 Received: from moe.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.35] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iua0S-0003Si-Pv for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:47:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95488480173 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:47:19 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moe.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CQUygxWrnX+N for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:47:19 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC5948016E for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:47:14 +1300 (NZDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: ipfix@ietf.org From: Nevil Brownlee Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:47:13 +1300 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Subject: [IPFIX] New version of IPFIX Implementation Guidelines X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: Elisa has produced a new version of this draft, we believe it addresses the concerns raised by IESG members. Alas, I missed the draft deadline for the Vancouver IETF - I'll publish it shortly after the Vancouver. Meantime, you can get a copy from here: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~nevil/ipfix/draft-ietf-ipfix- implementation-guidelines-08.txt Cheers, Nevil --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 20 15:47:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iua0U-0007nK-G8; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:47:42 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iua0T-0007nA-7i for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:47:41 -0500 Received: from moe.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.35] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iua0S-0003Si-Pv for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:47:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95488480173 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:47:19 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moe.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CQUygxWrnX+N for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:47:19 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC5948016E for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:47:14 +1300 (NZDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: ipfix@ietf.org From: Nevil Brownlee Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:47:13 +1300 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Subject: [IPFIX] New version of IPFIX Implementation Guidelines X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: Elisa has produced a new version of this draft, we believe it addresses the concerns raised by IESG members. Alas, I missed the draft deadline for the Vancouver IETF - I'll publish it shortly after the Vancouver. Meantime, you can get a copy from here: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~nevil/ipfix/draft-ietf-ipfix- implementation-guidelines-08.txt Cheers, Nevil --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 20 15:58:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuaAU-0002oX-FM; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:58:02 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuaAT-0002hT-M4 for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:58:01 -0500 Received: from moe.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.35] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuaAO-0001yS-Gg for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:58:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F08F4802E4 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:57:55 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moe.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KKJztj58AgQp for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:57:55 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A42480176 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:57:55 +1300 (NZDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1D86915F-B553-4F77-AE65-7C794A601781@auckland.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: ipfix@ietf.org From: Nevil Brownlee Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:57:54 +1300 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Subject: [IPFIX] Agenda for Vancouver X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: I've put a slightly revised version of the agenda on the IETF agenda page, i.e. at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/agenda/ipfix.txt Please note that since neither Juergen or Nevil will be at the IETF meeting in person, Simon Leinen has kindly agreed to chair the IPFIX session. Also, note the PSAMP drafts are currently under review. Since the IPFIX drafts have normative references to them, we need more people to send in reviews of all four of the PSAMP drafts. Now that everyone has a little time before Vancouver, do please try to have a look at them, and send some comments to either the PSAMP or IPFIX mailing lists. Cheers, Nevil --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 20 15:58:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuaAU-0002oX-FM; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:58:02 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuaAT-0002hT-M4 for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:58:01 -0500 Received: from moe.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.35] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuaAO-0001yS-Gg for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:58:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F08F4802E4 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:57:55 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moe.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KKJztj58AgQp for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:57:55 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A42480176 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:57:55 +1300 (NZDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1D86915F-B553-4F77-AE65-7C794A601781@auckland.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: ipfix@ietf.org From: Nevil Brownlee Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:57:54 +1300 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Subject: [IPFIX] Agenda for Vancouver X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: I've put a slightly revised version of the agenda on the IETF agenda page, i.e. at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/agenda/ipfix.txt Please note that since neither Juergen or Nevil will be at the IETF meeting in person, Simon Leinen has kindly agreed to chair the IPFIX session. Also, note the PSAMP drafts are currently under review. Since the IPFIX drafts have normative references to them, we need more people to send in reviews of all four of the PSAMP drafts. Now that everyone has a little time before Vancouver, do please try to have a look at them, and send some comments to either the PSAMP or IPFIX mailing lists. Cheers, Nevil --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 20 16:21:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuaWk-0005Ud-0E; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:21:02 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuaWh-0005Hx-Vo for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:21:00 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuaWh-0004sU-AQ for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:20:59 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,443,1188770400"; d="scan'208";a="158305206" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Nov 2007 22:20:58 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lAKLKwfq005377; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:20:58 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lAKLKrUm024049; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:20:53 GMT Received: from [10.61.82.186] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4795.cisco.com [10.61.82.186]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03454; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:20:50 GMT Message-ID: <47434FD2.3000003@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:21:22 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071030 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] Agenda for Vancouver References: <1D86915F-B553-4F77-AE65-7C794A601781@auckland.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <1D86915F-B553-4F77-AE65-7C794A601781@auckland.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=432; t=1195593658; x=1196457658; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20Agenda=20for=20Vancouver |Sender:=20; bh=tjS5JD24uKQz814x2jaMb8vM8symfcjmdyc+8CgeDPY=; b=owSkNQwdQ0pZzJE0B05jPdw3iiApK70IyW30bAkVZSStHMpXb+UJGMYkBQ3CAfk8dD0MaHrJ ELArCLuLkGQfeV6MeJgEGsqO9RIYiRWO4jJ6l/F+ilLAaV80MlLrHmQj; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Nevil, > I've put a slightly revised version of the agenda on the IETF agenda > page, i.e. at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/agenda/ipfix.txt Unfortunately your addition is a bit awry :-( Section 4 = 12 + 4 + 12 + 8 + 45 = 81 mins. Giving a total of 5 + 5 + 20 + 81 + 5 + 5 + 4 = 125 mins. - which doesn't quite fit in the 1300 - 1500 timeslot. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 20 16:21:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuaWk-0005Ud-0E; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:21:02 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuaWh-0005Hx-Vo for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:21:00 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuaWh-0004sU-AQ for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:20:59 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,443,1188770400"; d="scan'208";a="158305206" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Nov 2007 22:20:58 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lAKLKwfq005377; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:20:58 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lAKLKrUm024049; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:20:53 GMT Received: from [10.61.82.186] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4795.cisco.com [10.61.82.186]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03454; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:20:50 GMT Message-ID: <47434FD2.3000003@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:21:22 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071030 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] Agenda for Vancouver References: <1D86915F-B553-4F77-AE65-7C794A601781@auckland.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <1D86915F-B553-4F77-AE65-7C794A601781@auckland.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=432; t=1195593658; x=1196457658; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20Agenda=20for=20Vancouver |Sender:=20; bh=tjS5JD24uKQz814x2jaMb8vM8symfcjmdyc+8CgeDPY=; b=owSkNQwdQ0pZzJE0B05jPdw3iiApK70IyW30bAkVZSStHMpXb+UJGMYkBQ3CAfk8dD0MaHrJ ELArCLuLkGQfeV6MeJgEGsqO9RIYiRWO4jJ6l/F+ilLAaV80MlLrHmQj; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Nevil, > I've put a slightly revised version of the agenda on the IETF agenda > page, i.e. at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/agenda/ipfix.txt Unfortunately your addition is a bit awry :-( Section 4 = 12 + 4 + 12 + 8 + 45 = 81 mins. Giving a total of 5 + 5 + 20 + 81 + 5 + 5 + 4 = 125 mins. - which doesn't quite fit in the 1300 - 1500 timeslot. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 20 18:48:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IucpN-0000tL-0y; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:48:25 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IucpL-0000sj-AM; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:48:23 -0500 Received: from moe.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.35] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IucpG-0000IK-OS; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:48:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E5248038D; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:48:13 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moe.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tMoCsJV7Uap6; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:48:12 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB0E480346; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:48:12 +1300 (NZDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: "Dan (Dan) Romascanu" , iesg-secretary@ietf.org Message-Id: <7887D90F-F82B-483D-B507-6C71BD9AAD2C@auckland.ac.nz> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-399443678 From: Nevil Brownlee Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:48:12 +1300 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 43317e64100dd4d87214c51822b582d1 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] Shepherd document for IPFIX Testing I-D X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org --Apple-Mail-10-399443678 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Dan: Herewith my shepherd document for draft-ietf-ipfix-testing-03.txt. Please start the IESG process to publish it as an Informational RFC. Thanks, Nevil --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand --Apple-Mail-10-399443678 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/octet-stream; x-unix-mode=0644; name=ipfix-testing.shepherd Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ipfix-testing.shepherd Shepherd Document for draft-ietf-ipfix-testing-03.txt Title: IP Flow Information eXport (IPFIX) Testing Editors: Carsten Schmoll, Paul Aitken, Benoit Claise Reviewers: Nevil Brownlee, Ronnie Lampert, Christoph Sommer As required by RFC-to-be draft-ietf-proto-wgchair-doc-shepherding, this is the current template for the Document Shepherd Write-Up. Changes are expected over time. This version is dated February 1, 2007. (1.a) Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Has the Document Shepherd personally reviewed this version of the document and, in particular, does he or she believe this version is ready for forwarding to the IESG for publication? Nevil Brownlee. I have reviewed this draft, I believe it is ready to forward to the IESG for publication. (1.b) Has the document had adequate review both from key WG members and from key non-WG members? Does the Document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? This is version 3 of the draft, it has had extensive review by the WG members, and by others from the PSAMP WG. These reviews seem sufficiently thorough to me. (1.c) Does the Document Shepherd have concerns that the document needs more review from a particular or broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, someone familiar with AAA, internationalization or XML? No. The draft only addresses questions about rigorous testing on IPFIX implementations. (1.d) Does the Document Shepherd have any specific concerns or issues with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. Has an IPR disclosure related to this document been filed? If so, please include a reference to the disclosure and summarize the WG discussion and conclusion on this issue. This document uses RFC2119-style keywords a lot, particularly MUST. That's becuase it's authors (and the IPFIX WG) want to make it clear exactly what's needed when performing the tests described. (1.e) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? This document has strong consensus within the IPFIX and PSAMP Working Groups. (1.f) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is entered into the ID Tracker.) No. (1.g) Has the Document Shepherd personally verified that the document satisfies all ID nits? (See http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html and http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. Has the document met all formal review criteria it needs to, such as the MIB Doctor, media type and URI type reviews? Idnits tool Version: 2.05.01 found no nits. The draft is IPFIX-centric, it needs no other formal checks. (1.h) Has the document split its references into normative and informative? Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the strategy for their completion? Are there normative references that are downward references, as described in [RFC3967]? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure for them [RFC3967]. Yes and yes. This draft depends on the IPFIX Protocol and IPFIX Info Model, and the PSAMP Protocol drafts; all these drafts are held up waiting for the PSAMP drafts. The PSAMP editors/authors have spent the last six months or more working on the IPFIX documents - those are now (nearly) complete, so they will now work on PSAMP. We expect the PSAMP documents to be submitted to IESG soon. (1.i) Has the Document Shepherd verified that the document IANA consideration section exists and is consistent with the body of the document? If the document specifies protocol extensions, are reservations requested in appropriate IANA registries? Are the IANA registries clearly identified? If the document creates a new registry, does it define the proposed initial contents of the registry and an allocation procedure for future registrations? Does it suggest a reasonable name for the new registry? See [RFC2434]. If the document describes an Expert Review process has Shepherd conferred with the Responsible Area Director so that the IESG can appoint the needed Expert during the IESG Evaluation? This draft raises no IANA Considerations. (1.j) Has the Document Shepherd verified that sections of the document that are written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc., validate correctly in an automated checker? There are no such sections. (1.k) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up? Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary This document presents a list of tests that implementors of IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) compliant Exporting Processes and Collecting Processes should perform on their IPFIX Exporting Process and/or Collecting Process. It has been created to help implementors test the functionality of their IPFIX Exporting Process and/or Collecting Process. The goal of these tests is to ensure that all important functions are covered by tests and thereby to gain a level of confidence in the Exporting Process and Collecting Process that allows the implementor to perform interoperability tests with other IPFIX Exporting Processes and Collecting Processes. Working Group Summary Like the 'IPFIX Implementation Guidelines' document, this document draws on experience gained from IPFIX interopability events. It will be useful to implementors who need to enusre that their IPFIX implementations really do work correctly. Document Quality This document has been reviewed by by the IPFIX and PSAMP Working Group Chairs. Personnel Shepherd: Nevil Brownlee Area Director: Dan Romascanu IANA Expert: Not needed (end) --Apple-Mail-10-399443678 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --Apple-Mail-10-399443678-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 20 18:48:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IucpN-0000tL-0y; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:48:25 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IucpL-0000sj-AM; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:48:23 -0500 Received: from moe.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.35] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IucpG-0000IK-OS; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:48:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E5248038D; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:48:13 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moe.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tMoCsJV7Uap6; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:48:12 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB0E480346; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:48:12 +1300 (NZDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: "Dan (Dan) Romascanu" , iesg-secretary@ietf.org Message-Id: <7887D90F-F82B-483D-B507-6C71BD9AAD2C@auckland.ac.nz> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-399443678 From: Nevil Brownlee Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:48:12 +1300 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 43317e64100dd4d87214c51822b582d1 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] Shepherd document for IPFIX Testing I-D X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org --Apple-Mail-10-399443678 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Dan: Herewith my shepherd document for draft-ietf-ipfix-testing-03.txt. Please start the IESG process to publish it as an Informational RFC. Thanks, Nevil --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand --Apple-Mail-10-399443678 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/octet-stream; x-unix-mode=0644; name=ipfix-testing.shepherd Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ipfix-testing.shepherd Shepherd Document for draft-ietf-ipfix-testing-03.txt Title: IP Flow Information eXport (IPFIX) Testing Editors: Carsten Schmoll, Paul Aitken, Benoit Claise Reviewers: Nevil Brownlee, Ronnie Lampert, Christoph Sommer As required by RFC-to-be draft-ietf-proto-wgchair-doc-shepherding, this is the current template for the Document Shepherd Write-Up. Changes are expected over time. This version is dated February 1, 2007. (1.a) Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Has the Document Shepherd personally reviewed this version of the document and, in particular, does he or she believe this version is ready for forwarding to the IESG for publication? Nevil Brownlee. I have reviewed this draft, I believe it is ready to forward to the IESG for publication. (1.b) Has the document had adequate review both from key WG members and from key non-WG members? Does the Document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? This is version 3 of the draft, it has had extensive review by the WG members, and by others from the PSAMP WG. These reviews seem sufficiently thorough to me. (1.c) Does the Document Shepherd have concerns that the document needs more review from a particular or broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, someone familiar with AAA, internationalization or XML? No. The draft only addresses questions about rigorous testing on IPFIX implementations. (1.d) Does the Document Shepherd have any specific concerns or issues with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. Has an IPR disclosure related to this document been filed? If so, please include a reference to the disclosure and summarize the WG discussion and conclusion on this issue. This document uses RFC2119-style keywords a lot, particularly MUST. That's becuase it's authors (and the IPFIX WG) want to make it clear exactly what's needed when performing the tests described. (1.e) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? This document has strong consensus within the IPFIX and PSAMP Working Groups. (1.f) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is entered into the ID Tracker.) No. (1.g) Has the Document Shepherd personally verified that the document satisfies all ID nits? (See http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html and http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. Has the document met all formal review criteria it needs to, such as the MIB Doctor, media type and URI type reviews? Idnits tool Version: 2.05.01 found no nits. The draft is IPFIX-centric, it needs no other formal checks. (1.h) Has the document split its references into normative and informative? Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the strategy for their completion? Are there normative references that are downward references, as described in [RFC3967]? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure for them [RFC3967]. Yes and yes. This draft depends on the IPFIX Protocol and IPFIX Info Model, and the PSAMP Protocol drafts; all these drafts are held up waiting for the PSAMP drafts. The PSAMP editors/authors have spent the last six months or more working on the IPFIX documents - those are now (nearly) complete, so they will now work on PSAMP. We expect the PSAMP documents to be submitted to IESG soon. (1.i) Has the Document Shepherd verified that the document IANA consideration section exists and is consistent with the body of the document? If the document specifies protocol extensions, are reservations requested in appropriate IANA registries? Are the IANA registries clearly identified? If the document creates a new registry, does it define the proposed initial contents of the registry and an allocation procedure for future registrations? Does it suggest a reasonable name for the new registry? See [RFC2434]. If the document describes an Expert Review process has Shepherd conferred with the Responsible Area Director so that the IESG can appoint the needed Expert during the IESG Evaluation? This draft raises no IANA Considerations. (1.j) Has the Document Shepherd verified that sections of the document that are written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc., validate correctly in an automated checker? There are no such sections. (1.k) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up? Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary This document presents a list of tests that implementors of IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) compliant Exporting Processes and Collecting Processes should perform on their IPFIX Exporting Process and/or Collecting Process. It has been created to help implementors test the functionality of their IPFIX Exporting Process and/or Collecting Process. The goal of these tests is to ensure that all important functions are covered by tests and thereby to gain a level of confidence in the Exporting Process and Collecting Process that allows the implementor to perform interoperability tests with other IPFIX Exporting Processes and Collecting Processes. Working Group Summary Like the 'IPFIX Implementation Guidelines' document, this document draws on experience gained from IPFIX interopability events. It will be useful to implementors who need to enusre that their IPFIX implementations really do work correctly. Document Quality This document has been reviewed by by the IPFIX and PSAMP Working Group Chairs. 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On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:27:53 +0100 Benoit Claise wrote: > Dear Kobayashi-san, Gerhard, > > > >>> - 5.4 CacheParameters Class > >>> If we select the "immediate" type, the IPFIX datagram might have only > >>> one flow records. Generally, the load of router depends on the volume of > >>> IPFIX packets. Preferably, it is better that IPFIX datagram has multiple > >>> flow records. To mitigate it, I hope that this class has the maximum > >>> timer until it exports them. > >>> Even if we select "immediate", it can wait until time out, or the flow > >>> records are filled in the IPFIX packet. > >>> > >> Good point. In former versions (-00,-01), I had introduced two Exporting > >> Process parameters: > >> > >> > >> 1500 > >> 500 > >> > >> > >> The first specifies the maximum IPFIX message size, which can be useful > >> to avoid fragmentation in the case of UDP. Yet, as devices can query the > >> MTU autonomously, we omitted this parameter in -02. > >> > >> The second parameter was to specify a maximum export delay which allows > >> the Exporting Process to wait for more records if the IPFIX message is > >> not yet filled. I think this corresponds to the timer you are referring to. > >> We omitted this parameter because Flexible Netflow does not allow to > >> configure it. In our implementation (Vermont), we do have both of these > >> parameters, and we would extend the configuration data model with > >> device-specific parameters in order to configure them. > >> > >> Yet, if more people think that we need something like maxExportDelay, we > >> can add such a parameter in the standard configuration data model. > >> > >> > > > > I agree 2 parameters, maxPacketSize and maxExportDelay. > > > I'm wondering if this is such as good idea to add those parameters. > The propability to need maxExportDelay in real live is very low. I've > seen the need _in my lab_ when we test a single ping, and there is a > single flow to be exported: not quite enough to fill in the export > packet. But I've never seen the need in real live. However, if such a > timer is implemented in our boxes, it's not configurable. I see what you mention. But I can image "maxExportDelay" is 0 by the term of "immediate". It seems to export observed packet immediately. But, If "maxExportDelay" is 0, I am afraid that it overloads up Exporter. At least, Exporter should have the timer to export efficiently, even if this is not configurable parameter. > Btw, for the immediate cache type, the goal is send a packet as far as > possible. A typical case is for security (note that immediate cache type > should only be used in seldom situations). So having a maximum timer > before the export goes a little bit against the goal. > In the posted draft, here is what we wrote: > This goal seems to be too little. I would like to use "immediate" type by measuring the packets loss. For example, by filtering streaming IPTV packet, and exporting them immediately, we can trace the sequence number of RTP header. Definitely, it can be used as trouble shooting tool, when customer asks the network condition. It might become powerful tool. It is not seldom situation. To achieve the above solution, how to configure the IPFIX parameters is important. > o Request for additional parameters concerning the composition of > IPFIX messages at the exporter, e.g. how long may the exporter > wait until an expired record is exported? Waiting may be useful > in order to fill up IPFIX messages. > We (the authors) decided not to add such parameters for the > following reasons: 1) the composition of IPFIX messages has not > been described as configurable or managable in any other IPFIX > document, and 2) today's configuration possibilities depend very > much on the device or manufacturer. We propose to use device or > manufacturer-dependent extensions of the configuration data model. > I think above description is probably needed in the PSAMP protocol draft. Best Regards, Atsushi KOBAYASHI > Note that we missed the deadline for the draft submission by 20 > minutes... :( > > Regards, Benoit. --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5637 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 21 02:03:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iujcg-00048F-D5; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:03:46 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iujcd-000482-OE for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:03:43 -0500 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([2001:fa8::25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iujcb-0002du-8a for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:03:43 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-3-141.nttv6.com [192.47.163.141]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAL73Ztb099245; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:03:36 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:03:38 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Benoit Claise Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 In-Reply-To: <4742E0D9.2010009@cisco.com> References: <20070824020413.B07F.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <4742E0D9.2010009@cisco.com> Message-Id: <20071121140033.8592.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [192.16.178.5]); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:03:37 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a87a9cdae4ac5d3fbeee75cd0026d632 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear Benoit and Gerhard, Please see in-line. On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:27:53 +0100 Benoit Claise wrote: > Dear Kobayashi-san, Gerhard, > > > >>> - 5.4 CacheParameters Class > >>> If we select the "immediate" type, the IPFIX datagram might have only > >>> one flow records. Generally, the load of router depends on the volume of > >>> IPFIX packets. Preferably, it is better that IPFIX datagram has multiple > >>> flow records. To mitigate it, I hope that this class has the maximum > >>> timer until it exports them. > >>> Even if we select "immediate", it can wait until time out, or the flow > >>> records are filled in the IPFIX packet. > >>> > >> Good point. In former versions (-00,-01), I had introduced two Exporting > >> Process parameters: > >> > >> > >> 1500 > >> 500 > >> > >> > >> The first specifies the maximum IPFIX message size, which can be useful > >> to avoid fragmentation in the case of UDP. Yet, as devices can query the > >> MTU autonomously, we omitted this parameter in -02. > >> > >> The second parameter was to specify a maximum export delay which allows > >> the Exporting Process to wait for more records if the IPFIX message is > >> not yet filled. I think this corresponds to the timer you are referring to. > >> We omitted this parameter because Flexible Netflow does not allow to > >> configure it. In our implementation (Vermont), we do have both of these > >> parameters, and we would extend the configuration data model with > >> device-specific parameters in order to configure them. > >> > >> Yet, if more people think that we need something like maxExportDelay, we > >> can add such a parameter in the standard configuration data model. > >> > >> > > > > I agree 2 parameters, maxPacketSize and maxExportDelay. > > > I'm wondering if this is such as good idea to add those parameters. > The propability to need maxExportDelay in real live is very low. I've > seen the need _in my lab_ when we test a single ping, and there is a > single flow to be exported: not quite enough to fill in the export > packet. But I've never seen the need in real live. However, if such a > timer is implemented in our boxes, it's not configurable. I see what you mention. But I can image "maxExportDelay" is 0 by the term of "immediate". It seems to export observed packet immediately. But, If "maxExportDelay" is 0, I am afraid that it overloads up Exporter. At least, Exporter should have the timer to export efficiently, even if this is not configurable parameter. > Btw, for the immediate cache type, the goal is send a packet as far as > possible. A typical case is for security (note that immediate cache type > should only be used in seldom situations). So having a maximum timer > before the export goes a little bit against the goal. > In the posted draft, here is what we wrote: > This goal seems to be too little. I would like to use "immediate" type by measuring the packets loss. For example, by filtering streaming IPTV packet, and exporting them immediately, we can trace the sequence number of RTP header. Definitely, it can be used as trouble shooting tool, when customer asks the network condition. It might become powerful tool. It is not seldom situation. To achieve the above solution, how to configure the IPFIX parameters is important. > o Request for additional parameters concerning the composition of > IPFIX messages at the exporter, e.g. how long may the exporter > wait until an expired record is exported? Waiting may be useful > in order to fill up IPFIX messages. > We (the authors) decided not to add such parameters for the > following reasons: 1) the composition of IPFIX messages has not > been described as configurable or managable in any other IPFIX > document, and 2) today's configuration possibilities depend very > much on the device or manufacturer. We propose to use device or > manufacturer-dependent extensions of the configuration data model. > I think above description is probably needed in the PSAMP protocol draft. Best Regards, Atsushi KOBAYASHI > Note that we missed the deadline for the draft submission by 20 > minutes... :( > > Regards, Benoit. --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5637 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 21 05:08:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IumV5-00048s-En; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:08:07 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IumV3-00048n-Pq for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:08:05 -0500 Received: from mx05.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.4]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IumV2-0002VS-Hc for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:08:05 -0500 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx05.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lALA7t3A017035; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:07:57 +0100 Message-ID: <47440342.5050801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:06:58 +0100 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kobayashi atsushi Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 References: <20070824020413.B07F.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <4742E0D9.2010009@cisco.com> <20071121140033.8592.AKOBA@nttv6.net> In-Reply-To: <20071121140033.8592.AKOBA@nttv6.net> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.6.0.34; VDF: 7.0.0.241; host: mx05) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a92270ba83d7ead10c5001bb42ec3221 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1639852970==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============1639852970== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050709010407070800030001" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050709010407070800030001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Kobayashi, >>> I agree 2 parameters, maxPacketSize and maxExportDelay. >>> =20 >> I'm wondering if this is such as good idea to add those parameters. >> The propability to need maxExportDelay in real live is very low. I've >> seen the need _in my lab_ when we test a single ping, and there is a >> single flow to be exported: not quite enough to fill in the export >> packet. But I've never seen the need in real live. However, if such a >> timer is implemented in our boxes, it's not configurable. >=20 > I see what you mention. But I can image "maxExportDelay" is 0 by the > term of "immediate". It seems to export observed packet immediately.=20 > But, If "maxExportDelay" is 0, I am afraid that it overloads up Exporte= r. > At least, Exporter should have the timer to export efficiently, even if= > this is not configurable parameter. >=20 >> Btw, for the immediate cache type, the goal is send a packet as far as= >> possible. A typical case is for security (note that immediate cache ty= pe >> should only be used in seldom situations). So having a maximum timer >> before the export goes a little bit against the goal. >> In the posted draft, here is what we wrote: >> >=20 > This goal seems to be too little. I would like to use "immediate" type > by measuring the packets loss.=20 > For example, by filtering streaming IPTV packet, and exporting them > immediately, we can trace the sequence number of RTP header. Definitely= , > it can be used as trouble shooting tool, when customer asks the network= > condition. It might become powerful tool. It is not seldom situation. >=20 > To achieve the above solution, how to configure the IPFIX parameters is= > important. >=20 >> o Request for additional parameters concerning the composition of >> IPFIX messages at the exporter, e.g. how long may the exporter >> wait until an expired record is exported? Waiting may be useful= >> in order to fill up IPFIX messages. >> We (the authors) decided not to add such parameters for the >> following reasons: 1) the composition of IPFIX messages has not >> been described as configurable or managable in any other IPFIX >> document, and 2) today's configuration possibilities depend very= >> much on the device or manufacturer. We propose to use device or= >> manufacturer-dependent extensions of the configuration data mode= l. >> >=20 > I think above description is probably needed in the PSAMP protocol draf= t. My understanding of the IPFIX packet composition at the Exporting Process is the following: The output of the Metering Process is a stream of records. These records can be PSAMP or IPFIX records. For the Exporting Process, this difference does not matter. The records enter some kind of export buffer in the Exporting Process. The Exporting Process asynchronously polls the buffer and exports the records in the most efficient way, i.e it tries to put as many records as possible in one packet, eventually applies reducing redundancy mechanisms etc. As long as the export buffer does not "run out of records", the Exporting Process will continuously do its job, and there is no need to worry about small IPFIX packets. Yet, at some point, the Exporting Process might manage to empty the export buffer. After, it is in idle mode waiting for new records from the Metering Process. Assumed that the output of the Metering Process occurs rather in a bursty way, i.e. more than one record are usually written into the export buffer at once, the Exporting Process will resume to operate as described before. Again no worry about small packets= =2E The only situation where we have to worry about small packets is when a single record is written into the empty export buffer and after this there is long silence. This corresponds to Benoit's example. So, what do you expect from the Exporting Process? I would say: Wait a very small moment and then export the record. This very small moment does not have to be configurable, it can be a timer with constant timeout, and this timeout can be implementation-specific. What I also want to point out: The discussed problem is independent from the "immediate" cache type. It may also occur with any other cache type (see Benoit's example). Regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:08:05 -0500 Received: from mx05.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.4]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IumV2-0002VS-Hc for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:08:05 -0500 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx05.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lALA7t3A017035; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:07:57 +0100 Message-ID: <47440342.5050801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:06:58 +0100 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kobayashi atsushi Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 References: <20070824020413.B07F.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <4742E0D9.2010009@cisco.com> <20071121140033.8592.AKOBA@nttv6.net> In-Reply-To: <20071121140033.8592.AKOBA@nttv6.net> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.6.0.34; VDF: 7.0.0.241; host: mx05) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a92270ba83d7ead10c5001bb42ec3221 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1639852970==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============1639852970== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050709010407070800030001" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050709010407070800030001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Kobayashi, >>> I agree 2 parameters, maxPacketSize and maxExportDelay. >>> =20 >> I'm wondering if this is such as good idea to add those parameters. >> The propability to need maxExportDelay in real live is very low. I've >> seen the need _in my lab_ when we test a single ping, and there is a >> single flow to be exported: not quite enough to fill in the export >> packet. But I've never seen the need in real live. However, if such a >> timer is implemented in our boxes, it's not configurable. >=20 > I see what you mention. But I can image "maxExportDelay" is 0 by the > term of "immediate". It seems to export observed packet immediately.=20 > But, If "maxExportDelay" is 0, I am afraid that it overloads up Exporte= r. > At least, Exporter should have the timer to export efficiently, even if= > this is not configurable parameter. >=20 >> Btw, for the immediate cache type, the goal is send a packet as far as= >> possible. A typical case is for security (note that immediate cache ty= pe >> should only be used in seldom situations). So having a maximum timer >> before the export goes a little bit against the goal. >> In the posted draft, here is what we wrote: >> >=20 > This goal seems to be too little. I would like to use "immediate" type > by measuring the packets loss.=20 > For example, by filtering streaming IPTV packet, and exporting them > immediately, we can trace the sequence number of RTP header. Definitely= , > it can be used as trouble shooting tool, when customer asks the network= > condition. It might become powerful tool. It is not seldom situation. >=20 > To achieve the above solution, how to configure the IPFIX parameters is= > important. >=20 >> o Request for additional parameters concerning the composition of >> IPFIX messages at the exporter, e.g. how long may the exporter >> wait until an expired record is exported? Waiting may be useful= >> in order to fill up IPFIX messages. >> We (the authors) decided not to add such parameters for the >> following reasons: 1) the composition of IPFIX messages has not >> been described as configurable or managable in any other IPFIX >> document, and 2) today's configuration possibilities depend very= >> much on the device or manufacturer. We propose to use device or= >> manufacturer-dependent extensions of the configuration data mode= l. >> >=20 > I think above description is probably needed in the PSAMP protocol draf= t. My understanding of the IPFIX packet composition at the Exporting Process is the following: The output of the Metering Process is a stream of records. These records can be PSAMP or IPFIX records. For the Exporting Process, this difference does not matter. The records enter some kind of export buffer in the Exporting Process. The Exporting Process asynchronously polls the buffer and exports the records in the most efficient way, i.e it tries to put as many records as possible in one packet, eventually applies reducing redundancy mechanisms etc. As long as the export buffer does not "run out of records", the Exporting Process will continuously do its job, and there is no need to worry about small IPFIX packets. Yet, at some point, the Exporting Process might manage to empty the export buffer. After, it is in idle mode waiting for new records from the Metering Process. Assumed that the output of the Metering Process occurs rather in a bursty way, i.e. more than one record are usually written into the export buffer at once, the Exporting Process will resume to operate as described before. Again no worry about small packets= =2E The only situation where we have to worry about small packets is when a single record is written into the empty export buffer and after this there is long silence. This corresponds to Benoit's example. So, what do you expect from the Exporting Process? I would say: Wait a very small moment and then export the record. This very small moment does not have to be configurable, it can be a timer with constant timeout, and this timeout can be implementation-specific. What I also want to point out: The discussed problem is independent from the "immediate" cache type. It may also occur with any other cache type (see Benoit's example). Regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz Computer Networks and Internet Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science University of Tuebingen Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz --------------ms050709010407070800030001 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJdTCC AxUwggJ+oAMCAQICEGU5u1eI8WeEkIox6PdwkFAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UE BhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMT I1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA3MDIxMzEwMzMxOVoX DTA4MDIxMzEwMzMxOVowbDEOMAwGA1UEBBMFTXVlbnoxEDAOBgNVBCoTB0dlcmhhcmQxFjAU BgNVBAMTDUdlcmhhcmQgTXVlbnoxMDAuBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWIW11ZW56QGluZm9ybWF0aWsu 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for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:30:11 -0500 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([192.16.178.5]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IunmU-000507-Tm for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:30:11 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-3-141.nttv6.com [192.47.163.141]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lALBU52x000784; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:30:07 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:30:08 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 In-Reply-To: <47440342.5050801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <20071121140033.8592.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <47440342.5050801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Message-Id: <20071121200125.85AD.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [192.16.178.5]); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:30:07 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear Gerhard, I agree your opinion. On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:06:58 +0100 Gerhard Muenz wrote: > I would say: Wait a very small moment and then export the record. This > very small moment does not have to be configurable, it can be a timer > with constant timeout, and this timeout can be implementation-specific. > Yes. What I want to say is that it might be problems if this timer is 0. In this case, exporting process continues to export short IPFIX packets including one Flow Record. I imaged above situation from "immediate". Whether implementation-specific, I would like Exporter to have such short moment timer. > What I also want to point out: The discussed problem is independent from > the "immediate" cache type. It may also occur with any other cache type > (see Benoit's example). Yes. Surely, it is independent from cache type. I thought that the effect of timer 0 becomes larger in "immediate" case, because number of Flow Records is larger. It is not necessary that the timer is configurable parameter. BTW, I can't find "Benoit's example". Regards, Atsushi KOBAYASHI > Regards, > Gerhard --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5637 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 21 06:30:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IunmX-000326-QI; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:30:13 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IunmV-0002xC-Ra for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:30:11 -0500 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([192.16.178.5]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IunmU-000507-Tm for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:30:11 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-3-141.nttv6.com [192.47.163.141]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lALBU52x000784; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:30:07 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:30:08 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 In-Reply-To: <47440342.5050801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <20071121140033.8592.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <47440342.5050801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Message-Id: <20071121200125.85AD.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [192.16.178.5]); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:30:07 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear Gerhard, I agree your opinion. On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:06:58 +0100 Gerhard Muenz wrote: > I would say: Wait a very small moment and then export the record. This > very small moment does not have to be configurable, it can be a timer > with constant timeout, and this timeout can be implementation-specific. > Yes. What I want to say is that it might be problems if this timer is 0. In this case, exporting process continues to export short IPFIX packets including one Flow Record. I imaged above situation from "immediate". Whether implementation-specific, I would like Exporter to have such short moment timer. > What I also want to point out: The discussed problem is independent from > the "immediate" cache type. It may also occur with any other cache type > (see Benoit's example). Yes. Surely, it is independent from cache type. I thought that the effect of timer 0 becomes larger in "immediate" case, because number of Flow Records is larger. It is not necessary that the timer is configurable parameter. BTW, I can't find "Benoit's example". Regards, Atsushi KOBAYASHI > Regards, > Gerhard --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5637 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 21 06:47:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iuo3c-00071l-AV; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:47:52 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iuo3b-00071T-3w for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:47:51 -0500 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iuo3a-0005Zu-Dq for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:47:50 -0500 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lALBljtR000303; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:47:46 +0100 Message-ID: <47441AA8.5080102@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:46:48 +0100 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kobayashi atsushi Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 References: <20071121140033.8592.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <47440342.5050801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <20071121200125.85AD.AKOBA@nttv6.net> In-Reply-To: <20071121200125.85AD.AKOBA@nttv6.net> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.6.0.34; VDF: 7.0.0.242; host: mx06) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 057ebe9b96adec30a7efb2aeda4c26a4 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1588642266==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============1588642266== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090300010007070000050208" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090300010007070000050208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Kobayashi, > BTW, I can't find "Benoit's example". Benoit wrote: "I've seen the need in my lab when we test a single ping, and there is a single flow to be exported: not quite enough to fill in the export packet= =2E" As I understand, the situation was as follows: A single ICMP packet caused a single record, which was not exported until more records were finally available to fill the packet. Now, a timer prevents such blocking of the exporter. Regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:47:51 -0500 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iuo3a-0005Zu-Dq for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:47:50 -0500 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lALBljtR000303; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:47:46 +0100 Message-ID: <47441AA8.5080102@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:46:48 +0100 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kobayashi atsushi Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 References: <20071121140033.8592.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <47440342.5050801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <20071121200125.85AD.AKOBA@nttv6.net> In-Reply-To: <20071121200125.85AD.AKOBA@nttv6.net> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.6.0.34; VDF: 7.0.0.242; host: mx06) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 057ebe9b96adec30a7efb2aeda4c26a4 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1588642266==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============1588642266== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090300010007070000050208" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090300010007070000050208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Kobayashi, > BTW, I can't find "Benoit's example". Benoit wrote: "I've seen the need in my lab when we test a single ping, and there is a single flow to be exported: not quite enough to fill in the export packet= =2E" As I understand, the situation was as follows: A single ICMP packet caused a single record, which was not exported until more records were finally available to fill the packet. Now, a timer prevents such blocking of the exporter. Regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071030 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 References: <20070824020413.B07F.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <4742E0D9.2010009@cisco.com> <20071121140033.8592.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <47440342.5050801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <47440342.5050801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3245; t=1195658564; x=1196522564; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20ipfix-configuration-02 |Sender:=20; bh=VphUISPkG4MVlASkpUWlCdkVPuQ/OaCRgT7LG7LC6/0=; b=QvvoQ0Wo1eVXlsmIiqcdgN72+kWjTaWPxfxqu00h3ElE+ZS7NOK1R0lvxd+XbIySW0UjbCdA Jw9XOtHlAP3zOuRezt8SFTmQXrSsuQLWKqeXi/DBnUZTjKCx+AfXrxRC; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d8ae4fd88fcaf47c1a71c804d04f413d Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Gerhard, > My understanding of the IPFIX packet composition at the Exporting > Process is the following: > > The output of the Metering Process is a stream of records. These records > can be PSAMP or IPFIX records. For the Exporting Process, this > difference does not matter. > > The records enter some kind of export buffer in the Exporting Process. Possibly, though not necessarily. That's an implementation detail. > The Exporting Process asynchronously polls the buffer and exports the > records in the most efficient way, i.e it tries to put as many records > as possible in one packet, eventually applies reducing redundancy > mechanisms etc. It might not. A simple device may export one flow per packet. It's not very efficient, though there's nothing against it in IPFIX. > As long as the export buffer does not "run out of records", the > Exporting Process will continuously do its job, and there is no need to > worry about small IPFIX packets. > > Yet, at some point, the Exporting Process might manage to empty the > export buffer. After, it is in idle mode waiting for new records from > the Metering Process. Assumed that the output of the Metering Process > occurs rather in a bursty way, i.e. more than one record are usually > written into the export buffer at once, the Exporting Process will > resume to operate as described before. Again no worry about small packets. I disagree. It's quite possible to imagine the Metering Process filling the export buffer, writing one entry in the queue then going off for a moment to discover whether there are further entries to enqueue. So while it appears almost continuous, there is a small gap between queued entries. Make it as infinitely short as you like; there's a small gap. Meanwhile, the Exporting Process wakens during that gap and discovers just one record is enqueued. With perfect sync of the MP and EP (eg, due to process scheduling) what you'd get is an export stream consisting of single Data Records per packet. So the scheme you describe inherently relies upon the Exporting Process waiting a small amount of time to see whether there's any further data to be exported - which means that data isn't being exported from the box as absolutely fast as possible. Clearly there's a trade-off between speed and efficiency. > The only situation where we have to worry about small packets is when a > single record is written into the empty export buffer and after this > there is long silence. This corresponds to Benoit's example. So, what do > you expect from the Exporting Process? > > I would say: Wait a very small moment and then export the record. This > very small moment does not have to be configurable, it can be a timer > with constant timeout, and this timeout can be implementation-specific. Indeed, it seems that such a timer would be better understood and designed by the system implementor than by the user. > What I also want to point out: The discussed problem is independent from > the "immediate" cache type. It may also occur with any other cache type > (see Benoit's example). Agreed. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 21 10:22:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IurPa-0006wh-80; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:22:46 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IurPZ-0006sC-Aj for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:22:45 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IurPY-0004O8-PC for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:22:45 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,447,1188770400"; d="scan'208";a="158425785" Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Nov 2007 16:22:44 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lALFMilQ025813; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:22:44 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lALFMcZZ009516; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:22:39 GMT Received: from [144.254.153.50] (dhcp-144-254-153-50.cisco.com [144.254.153.50]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14088; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:22:37 GMT Message-ID: <47444D60.1020802@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:23:12 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071030 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 References: <20070824020413.B07F.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <4742E0D9.2010009@cisco.com> <20071121140033.8592.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <47440342.5050801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <47440342.5050801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3245; t=1195658564; x=1196522564; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20ipfix-configuration-02 |Sender:=20; bh=VphUISPkG4MVlASkpUWlCdkVPuQ/OaCRgT7LG7LC6/0=; b=QvvoQ0Wo1eVXlsmIiqcdgN72+kWjTaWPxfxqu00h3ElE+ZS7NOK1R0lvxd+XbIySW0UjbCdA Jw9XOtHlAP3zOuRezt8SFTmQXrSsuQLWKqeXi/DBnUZTjKCx+AfXrxRC; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d8ae4fd88fcaf47c1a71c804d04f413d Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Gerhard, > My understanding of the IPFIX packet composition at the Exporting > Process is the following: > > The output of the Metering Process is a stream of records. These records > can be PSAMP or IPFIX records. For the Exporting Process, this > difference does not matter. > > The records enter some kind of export buffer in the Exporting Process. Possibly, though not necessarily. That's an implementation detail. > The Exporting Process asynchronously polls the buffer and exports the > records in the most efficient way, i.e it tries to put as many records > as possible in one packet, eventually applies reducing redundancy > mechanisms etc. It might not. A simple device may export one flow per packet. It's not very efficient, though there's nothing against it in IPFIX. > As long as the export buffer does not "run out of records", the > Exporting Process will continuously do its job, and there is no need to > worry about small IPFIX packets. > > Yet, at some point, the Exporting Process might manage to empty the > export buffer. After, it is in idle mode waiting for new records from > the Metering Process. Assumed that the output of the Metering Process > occurs rather in a bursty way, i.e. more than one record are usually > written into the export buffer at once, the Exporting Process will > resume to operate as described before. Again no worry about small packets. I disagree. It's quite possible to imagine the Metering Process filling the export buffer, writing one entry in the queue then going off for a moment to discover whether there are further entries to enqueue. So while it appears almost continuous, there is a small gap between queued entries. Make it as infinitely short as you like; there's a small gap. Meanwhile, the Exporting Process wakens during that gap and discovers just one record is enqueued. With perfect sync of the MP and EP (eg, due to process scheduling) what you'd get is an export stream consisting of single Data Records per packet. So the scheme you describe inherently relies upon the Exporting Process waiting a small amount of time to see whether there's any further data to be exported - which means that data isn't being exported from the box as absolutely fast as possible. Clearly there's a trade-off between speed and efficiency. > The only situation where we have to worry about small packets is when a > single record is written into the empty export buffer and after this > there is long silence. This corresponds to Benoit's example. So, what do > you expect from the Exporting Process? > > I would say: Wait a very small moment and then export the record. This > very small moment does not have to be configurable, it can be a timer > with constant timeout, and this timeout can be implementation-specific. Indeed, it seems that such a timer would be better understood and designed by the system implementor than by the user. > What I also want to point out: The discussed problem is independent from > the "immediate" cache type. It may also occur with any other cache type > (see Benoit's example). Agreed. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 21 12:46:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuteV-0004NA-Od; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:46:19 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuteU-0004N4-Jt for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:46:18 -0500 Received: from faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de ([131.188.34.45]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuteU-0001i4-7u for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:46:18 -0500 Received: from faui7s0.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui7s0.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.37.210]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0594A8F for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:46:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from [131.188.37.96] (faui7m16 [131.188.37.96]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by faui7s0.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9E2B002F for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:46:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47446EEB.2010605@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:46:19 +0100 From: Christoph Sommer User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Subject: [IPFIX] new drafts on IPFIX Flow Aggregation X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, I'd like to announce the availability of a new version of the IPFIX Aggregation draft. In order to make it compliant with the current focus of the IPFIX WG and the forthcoming IPFIX Mediator, we removed all the proposed extensions to the IPFIX protocol and info model and concentrated on the aggregation functionality. The new draft is available at . The extensions that are further improving the transport of aggregated flows as well as additional IEs supporting port ranges, IP networks, and rule hierarchies are now collected in a new draft available at . We appreciate any comments and suggestions discussed here, at the mailing list. Furthermore, we will present both drafts in Vancouver. Best regards, Christoph Sommer _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 21 12:46:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuteV-0004NA-Od; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:46:19 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuteU-0004N4-Jt for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:46:18 -0500 Received: from faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de ([131.188.34.45]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuteU-0001i4-7u for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:46:18 -0500 Received: from faui7s0.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui7s0.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.37.210]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0594A8F for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:46:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from [131.188.37.96] (faui7m16 [131.188.37.96]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by faui7s0.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9E2B002F for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:46:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47446EEB.2010605@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:46:19 +0100 From: Christoph Sommer User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Subject: [IPFIX] new drafts on IPFIX Flow Aggregation X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, I'd like to announce the availability of a new version of the IPFIX Aggregation draft. In order to make it compliant with the current focus of the IPFIX WG and the forthcoming IPFIX Mediator, we removed all the proposed extensions to the IPFIX protocol and info model and concentrated on the aggregation functionality. The new draft is available at . The extensions that are further improving the transport of aggregated flows as well as additional IEs supporting port ranges, IP networks, and rule hierarchies are now collected in a new draft available at . We appreciate any comments and suggestions discussed here, at the mailing list. Furthermore, we will present both drafts in Vancouver. 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One describes problem statement regarding "IPFIX Mediation". In particular, I and co-authors focus on the problems which might happen in the large-scale networks. We would like to progress this draft "problem statement" to complete it as IPFIX work. "Problems with Flow Collection in Large-Scale Networks" http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00 And also, I updated "IPFIX Mediators" draft based on valuable comments. In particular, Paul's comments are greatly appreciated. In next step, I would like to achieve "Framework for IPFIX Mediation" draft by extracting the framework part of following table of content. "Reference Model for IPFIX Mediators" http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01 1. Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2. Terminology . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3. Framework for IPFIX Mediators . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 3.1. Internal Components Model . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 3.1.1. Collecting Process . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 3.1.2. Metering Process . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 3.1.3. Exporting Process . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13 3.1.4. Storing Process . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13 3.2. IPFIX Protocol Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14 3.2.1. Export Time Issue . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14 3.2.2. Observation Domain ID Management . . . . . . . . . . . 14 3.2.3. Template Management . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 3.2.4. Transport Session Management . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 3.2.5. Option Template Management . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 3.2.6. Reporting of Exporter Information . . . . . . . . . . 16 4. Solution Scenarios with IPFIX Mediators . . . . . . . . . . . 17 Any comments are welcome. 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I made this little summary for myself, to understand what the next bottleneck(s) is/are in IPFIX and as a consequence in PSAMP
Then I thought about sharing this info, as it might be useful for others as well...

IPFIX
Drafts in the RFC-editor queue:
                                                                    STATE                                                          DEPENDENCIES
    draft-ietf-ipfix-info                                    AUTH, but I replied so will become EDIT      IPFIX-PROTO: in queue
    draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol                             EDIT                                                             IPIFX-INFO: in queue
    draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow                                EDIT                                                              IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO: in queue
    draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture                        EDIT                                                              IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO, IPFIX-AS: in queue
    draft-ietf-ipfix-as                                      MISSREF                                                      IPFIX-INFO, IPFIX-PROTO: in queue
                                                                                                                                          Missing PSAMP-INFO
    draft-ietf-ipfix-reducing-redundancy         MISSREF                                                      IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO: in queue
                                                                                                                                         Missing PSAMP-PROTO

Drafts not yet in the RFC-editor queue:
                                                                    STATUS                                                      DEPENDENCIES
    draft-ietf-ipfix-implementation-guidelines   In last call, version posted                             IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO: in queue
                                                                    (but missed the deadline)
    draft-ietf-ipfix-testing                                In last call, new version posted                      IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO,
                                                                                                                                        IPFIX-ARCH, IPFIX-AS: in queue
    draft-ietf-ipfix-mib                                    One more version needed before the last call IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO: in queue


PSAMP
Drafts not yet in the RFC-editor queue:
                                                                    STATUS                                                     
    draft-ietf-psamp-framework                     IESG review
    draft-ietf-psamp-sample-tech                   IESG review
    draft-ietf-psamp-protocol                         IESG review,
                                                                    Received some feedback from Dan and Suresh Krishnan, addressed already
                                                                    Will receive some more feedback from the transport area directors
    draft-ietf-psamp-info                                WG Last call
                                                                    Juergen: "I will not close the call without knowing of at least
                                                                                 three solid reviews from non-authors"


In conclusion: the next bottleneck is [PSAMP-INFO].
Some more reviews would be appreciated in order to have the first series of IPFIX RFCs

Regards, Benoit.

--------------060609030806030705000702-- --===============1703221688== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1703221688==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 22 11:45:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IvFAs-0006H7-Uq; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:45:11 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IvFAr-0006Da-My; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:45:09 -0500 Received: from no-more.cisco.com ([64.104.206.251] helo=av-tac-apt.cisco.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IvFAq-0004tp-LE; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:45:09 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-apt.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id lAMGj1j11747; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:45:03 +1100 (EST) Received: from [10.61.82.26] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4635.cisco.com [10.61.82.26]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id lAMGiqI14391; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:44:58 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4745B204.70400@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:44:52 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ipfix@ietf.org" , psamp@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e472ca43d56132790a46d9eefd95f0a5 Cc: Subject: [IPFIX] IPFIX and PSAMP status X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1703221688==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1703221688== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060609030806030705000702" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060609030806030705000702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, I made this little summary for myself, to understand what the next bottleneck(s) is/are in IPFIX and as a consequence in PSAMP Then I thought about sharing this info, as it might be useful for others as well... _IPFIX_ Drafts in the RFC-editor queue: _STATE_ _DEPENDENCIES_ draft-ietf-ipfix-info AUTH, but I replied so will become EDIT IPFIX-PROTO: in queue draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol EDIT IPIFX-INFO: in queue draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow EDIT IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO: in queue draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture EDIT IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO, IPFIX-AS: in queue draft-ietf-ipfix-as MISSREF IPFIX-INFO, IPFIX-PROTO: in queue Missing PSAMP-INFO draft-ietf-ipfix-reducing-redundancy MISSREF IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO: in queue Missing PSAMP-PROTO Drafts not yet in the RFC-editor queue: _STATUS_ _DEPENDENCIES___ draft-ietf-ipfix-implementation-guidelines In last call, version posted IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO: in queue (but missed the deadline) draft-ietf-ipfix-testing In last call, new version posted IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO, IPFIX-ARCH, IPFIX-AS: in queue draft-ietf-ipfix-mib One more version needed before the last call IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO: in queue _PSAMP_ Drafts not yet in the RFC-editor queue: _STATUS_ __ draft-ietf-psamp-framework IESG review draft-ietf-psamp-sample-tech IESG review draft-ietf-psamp-protocol IESG review, Received some feedback from Dan and Suresh Krishnan, addressed already Will receive some more feedback from the transport area directors draft-ietf-psamp-info WG Last call Juergen: "I will not close the call without knowing of at least three solid reviews from non-authors" In conclusion: the next bottleneck is [PSAMP-INFO]. Some more reviews would be appreciated in order to have the first series of IPFIX RFCs Regards, Benoit. --------------060609030806030705000702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

I made this little summary for myself, to understand what the next bottleneck(s) is/are in IPFIX and as a consequence in PSAMP
Then I thought about sharing this info, as it might be useful for others as well...

IPFIX
Drafts in the RFC-editor queue:
                                                                    STATE                                                          DEPENDENCIES
    draft-ietf-ipfix-info                                    AUTH, but I replied so will become EDIT      IPFIX-PROTO: in queue
    draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol                             EDIT                                                             IPIFX-INFO: in queue
    draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow                                EDIT                                                              IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO: in queue
    draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture                        EDIT                                                              IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO, IPFIX-AS: in queue
    draft-ietf-ipfix-as                                      MISSREF                                                      IPFIX-INFO, IPFIX-PROTO: in queue
                                                                                                                                          Missing PSAMP-INFO
    draft-ietf-ipfix-reducing-redundancy         MISSREF                                                      IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO: in queue
                                                                                                                                         Missing PSAMP-PROTO

Drafts not yet in the RFC-editor queue:
                                                                    STATUS                                                      DEPENDENCIES
    draft-ietf-ipfix-implementation-guidelines   In last call, version posted                             IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO: in queue
                                                                    (but missed the deadline)
    draft-ietf-ipfix-testing                                In last call, new version posted                      IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO,
                                                                                                                                        IPFIX-ARCH, IPFIX-AS: in queue
    draft-ietf-ipfix-mib                                    One more version needed before the last call IPFIX-PROTO, IPFIX-INFO: in queue


PSAMP
Drafts not yet in the RFC-editor queue:
                                                                    STATUS                                                     
    draft-ietf-psamp-framework                     IESG review
    draft-ietf-psamp-sample-tech                   IESG review
    draft-ietf-psamp-protocol                         IESG review,
                                                                    Received some feedback from Dan and Suresh Krishnan, addressed already
                                                                    Will receive some more feedback from the transport area directors
    draft-ietf-psamp-info                                WG Last call
                                                                    Juergen: "I will not close the call without knowing of at least
                                                                                 three solid reviews from non-authors"


In conclusion: the next bottleneck is [PSAMP-INFO].
Some more reviews would be appreciated in order to have the first series of IPFIX RFCs

Regards, Benoit.

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