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_______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Mon Mar 5 07:17:07 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id HAA12149 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 07:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2077444346; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 07:17:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from seq-1 (unknown [193.212.218.226]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 741CF44336 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 07:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:21:13 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jostein Trones To: "'iptel@lists.bell-labs.com'" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0A56E.C48A2FB0" Subject: [IPTEL] Packet Switched vs Line Switched Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:21:12 +0100 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A56E.C48A2FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi! I am not an expert in IP Telephony. But I have a wide technical background, and have followed this area for some time. When it comes to the fundamental difference between Packet Switched and Line Switched networks, will any standards developed by the IPTEL/IETF take these matters into account? I am especially thinking of factors like being able to cope with loss of packets, priority over other traffic etc. In other words: How can we assure good quality when not having a Line Switched network? I am sorry if these questions are a bit to "wide" for this fora. I have had a look in the archives, but haven't found much on this. Maybe someone here can point me in the right direction for more information? Thank you very much, Jostein Trones ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A56E.C48A2FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Packet Switched vs Line Switched

Hi!

I am not an expert in IP Telephony. = But I have a wide technical background, and have followed this area for = some time.

When it comes to the fundamental = difference between Packet Switched and Line Switched networks, will any = standards developed by the IPTEL/IETF take these matters into account? = I am especially thinking of factors like being able to cope with loss = of packets, priority over other traffic etc. In other words: How can we = assure good quality when not having a Line Switched network?

I am sorry if these questions are a = bit to "wide" for this fora. I have had a look in the = archives, but haven't found much on this. Maybe someone here can point = me in the right direction for more information?

Thank you very much,

Jostein Trones

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A56E.C48A2FB0-- _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Mon Mar 5 18:29:04 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA10013 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CEC4437C; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:29:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from cs.columbia.edu (cs.columbia.edu [128.59.16.20]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AF14437C for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from bart.cs.columbia.edu (bart.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.19.191]) by cs.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14384 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hgs@localhost) by bart.cs.columbia.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id SAA08668; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:28:07 -0500 (EST) From: Henning Schulzrinne Message-Id: <200103052328.SAA08668@bart.cs.columbia.edu> To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com List: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Subject: [IPTEL] Call for Participation: IPtel 2001 workshop Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:28:07 -0500 (EST) Call for Participation 2nd IP Telephony Workshop April 2-3, 2001 - Columbia University, New York City http://www.fokus.gmd.de/events/iptel2001/ Objectives ---------- Internet telephony is rapidly evolving from research to design and deployment. The IP Telephony Workshop aims at bringing together researchers, developers, vendors and service providers active in this area and stimulate discussion on innovation, research, implementation, deployment experiences and future directions. Scope & Topics -------------- Original technical articles related to IP telephony will be presented. We received forty papers addressing QoS research (12), service creation and call control (8), firewall/NAT traversal issues (3), conferencing (3), IP interworking with PSTN and wireless (3), QoS testing and measurement (2), instant messaging and presence (2), security (1), administration mechanisms (1), performance analysis (1), etc. Twenty submissions will be accepted, presented and published in the proceedings. Important Dates --------------- Program published March 15th, 2001 Registration deadline March 23rd, 2001 Workshop April 2nd-3rd, 2001 iptel2001 Organizing Committee ------------------------------ Program Chair H. Schulzrinne Columbia University Program Committee M. Arango Sun Microsystems F. Baker Cisco W. Bauerfeld T-Nova G. Bond AT&T Research S. Bradner Harvard University G. Carle GMD FOKUS J. Crowcroft UCL C. Huitema Microsoft G. S. Kuo National Central University, Taiwan J. Kuthan GMD Fokus T. Magedanz IKV++ GmbH W. Marshall AT&T Research D. Medhi University of Missouri-Kansas City D. Oran Cisco J. Ott University of Bremen T. La Porta Bell Labs B. Rosen Marconi J. Rosenberg dynamicsoft H. Sinnreich MCI WorldCom R. Steinmetz Technical University of Darmstadt H. Stüttgen NEC CCRLE W. Wimmreuter Siemens L. Wolf University of Karlsruhe A. Wolisz Technical University of Berlin M. Zitterbart Technical University of Braunschweig Contact Address --------------- Please send all your inquiries regarding iptel2001 to iptel2001@egroups.com. Registration ------------ The registration is now open. Participants are asked to register in advance at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/iptel2001/iptel2001/reg/ The registration deadline is March 23rd, 2001. See our registration website for more details. Accommodation ------------- New York city offers many hotels in different price ranges. Our accommodation web page contains pointers to some nearby hotels, however, attendees are responsible for booking their own accommodation. http://www.fokus.gmd.de/events/iptel2001/accommodation/ Exhibition ---------- To demonstrate how research and development become reality there will be an exhibition co-located with the workshop. A limited number of teams from industry as well as from academia and research will be given space to present their software and hardware, both products and prototypes. If you are interested in presenting your products or prototypes at iptel2001, please send an e-mail to iptel2001@egroups.com. Please include a short description of what you plan to display and special requirements if you have any. We will provide tables, power strips, Ethernet/802.11b wireless Internet connectivity (no firewall/NAT) and space for your booth if needed. _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Mon Mar 5 19:20:07 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id TAA11223 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8142E443B6; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:20:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from raptor.access.net.id (unknown [202.180.0.14]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584C344336 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAHATEL (pteredon129.access.net.id [202.180.8.129]) by raptor.access.net.id (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f25NtsE23305; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 06:55:54 +0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010306065509.00ae9c80@pop3.access.net.id> X-Sender: teddyap@pop3.access.net.id X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: Jostein Trones From: president@access.net.id Subject: Re: [IPTEL] Packet Switched vs Line Switched Cc: "'iptel@lists.bell-labs.com'" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 06:55:09 +0700 Folks, In Indonesia, My company MAHATEL, has specific license from Gov: Fixed Network Telecom Operator Based On Packet Switched System IP & F/R Switches incl. DataCom Network must be developed. I am sure that it has good carrier quality voice grade as well. Regards, -teddy At 01:21 PM 3/5/01 +0100, Jostein Trones wrote: <...> In other words: How >can we assure good quality when not having a Line Switched network? "" for >this fora. I have had a look in the archives, but haven't found much on >this. Maybe someone here can point me in the right direction for more >information? Thank you very much, Jostein Trones _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 6 09:36:07 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA13071 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0A8443CE; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:36:01 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from telchemy.com (unknown [4.21.228.251]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB435443CB for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from TELWS104 [209.186.12.167] by telchemy.com (SMTPD32-6.04) id A56C1460190; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:34:20 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Alan Clark" To: "'Jostein Trones'" Cc: Subject: RE: [IPTEL] Packet Switched vs Line Switched QoS Message-ID: <002401c0a64a$53732660$6801a8c0@telchemy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010306065509.00ae9c80@pop3.access.net.id> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:32:51 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There has been some work in ETSI TIPHON WG5 (www.etsi.org) and ANSI TIA TR41 in this area. This encompasses both design guidelines for VoIP networks and methods for real time monitoring of call quality. I can provide more details if you are interested. Alan Clark -----Original Message----- From: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com [mailto:iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com]On Behalf Of president@access.net.id Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:55 PM To: Jostein Trones Cc: 'iptel@lists.bell-labs.com' Subject: Re: [IPTEL] Packet Switched vs Line Switched Folks, In Indonesia, My company MAHATEL, has specific license from Gov: Fixed Network Telecom Operator Based On Packet Switched System IP & F/R Switches incl. DataCom Network must be developed. I am sure that it has good carrier quality voice grade as well. Regards, -teddy At 01:21 PM 3/5/01 +0100, Jostein Trones wrote: <...> In other words: How >can we assure good quality when not having a Line Switched network? "" for >this fora. I have had a look in the archives, but haven't found much on >this. Maybe someone here can point me in the right direction for more >information? Thank you very much, Jostein Trones _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 6 20:31:06 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id UAA06164 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:31:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3FF443C5; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:31:01 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from redball.dynamicsoft.com (redball.dynamicsoft.com [216.173.40.51]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD8C44336 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from DYN-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com ([216.173.40.50]) by redball.dynamicsoft.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id UAA27515 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by DYN-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:33:09 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Rosenberg To: "List Iptel (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [IPTEL] Agenda requests Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:33:08 -0500 Folks, The deadline for posting the agendas for IETF 50 is approaching. If you want a slot at the iptel meeting, and haven't yet told me, please do so. I'll be sending out a proposed agenda shortly. Also, an update on CPL. CPL is currently blocked within IESG pending the resolution of an issue with our use of iCalendar. The IESG is concerned that the use of a subset will hurt interoperability. Specifically, a calendaring tool that is fully compliant to rfc2445 will not be able to push its recurrence rules for a meeting into a CPL. Doing this was a key reason we chose iCalendar to begin with. So, to resolve this, a few of us have started discussions on the calsch list regarding our concerns with a complete implementation (the largest one being the O(1) compute time requirement). Many calsch members were very sympathetic to our concerns and issues, and list discussion was good. There will be further discussion on the subject during the calsch meeting at IETF 50. So, if you would like to give some input on this subject, please come to the calsch meeting. I don't think we will be discussing this during iptel, but I'll advise if that changes. Also, I suspect we will not need our full 2.5 hour slot. So, I have informed the secretariat that it would be OK to move us to a one hour slot. If this happens, I will advise the list immediately, as this will likely result in a change in the day/time of the group meeting. Thanks, Jonathan R. --- Jonathan D. Rosenberg 72 Eagle Rock Ave. Chief Scientist First Floor dynamicsoft East Hanover, NJ 07936 jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.dynamicsoft.com _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 6 21:15:06 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id VAA06994 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFBA443E2; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:15:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from rwcxch02.clarent.com (unknown [208.205.112.130]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFD844336 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by rwcxch02.clarent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:12:27 -0800 Received: from rwcjfmule01 (10.1.1.2 [10.1.1.2]) by rwcxch02.clarent.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id GDV1RYKX; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:12:18 -0800 From: Jean-Francois Mule Reply-To: Jean-Francois Mule To: alan@telchemy.com, "'Jostein Trones'" Cc: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Subject: RE: [IPTEL] Packet Switched vs Line Switched QoS Message-ID: <01f101c0a6ac$1ade83f0$1600a8c0@rwcjfmule01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <002401c0a64a$53732660$6801a8c0@telchemy.com> Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:12:47 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit with or without the IPR claims? just curious... > -----Original Message----- > From: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com > [mailto:iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com]On Behalf Of Alan Clark > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:33 AM > To: 'Jostein Trones' > Cc: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com > Subject: RE: [IPTEL] Packet Switched vs Line Switched QoS > > > > There has been some work in ETSI TIPHON WG5 (www.etsi.org) > and ANSI TIA TR41 > in this area. This encompasses both design guidelines for > VoIP networks and > methods for real time monitoring of call quality. I can provide more > details if you are interested. > > Alan Clark > > -----Original Message----- > From: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com > [mailto:iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com]On Behalf Of > president@access.net.id > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:55 PM > To: Jostein Trones > Cc: 'iptel@lists.bell-labs.com' > Subject: Re: [IPTEL] Packet Switched vs Line Switched > > > Folks, > In Indonesia, My company MAHATEL, has specific license from Gov: > Fixed Network Telecom Operator Based On Packet Switched System > > IP & F/R Switches incl. DataCom Network must be developed. > I am sure that it has good carrier quality voice grade as well. > Regards, -teddy > > At 01:21 PM 3/5/01 +0100, Jostein Trones wrote: > <...> > In other words: How > >can we assure good quality when not having a Line Switched > network? "" for > >this fora. I have had a look in the archives, but haven't > found much on > >this. Maybe someone here can point me in the right direction for more > >information? Thank you very much, Jostein Trones > > > > _______________________________________________ > IPTEL mailing list > IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com > http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel > > > _______________________________________________ > IPTEL mailing list > IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com > http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Wed Mar 7 09:30:07 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA05459 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F5E44337; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:30:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from telchemy.com (unknown [4.21.228.251]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06AB44336 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from TELWS104 [209.186.12.167] by telchemy.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A57C7C01A8; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 09:28:12 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Alan Clark" To: "'Jean-Francois Mule'" , "'Jostein Trones'" Cc: Subject: RE: [IPTEL] Packet Switched vs Line Switched QoS Message-ID: <002801c0a712$a0d11200$6801a8c0@telchemy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <01f101c0a6ac$1ade83f0$1600a8c0@rwcjfmule01> Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:26:40 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To clarify Jean-Francois' reference - as is normal practice we disclosed to both ETSI and TIA that we have patent applications related to real-time QoS monitoring of VoIP, and made the statements required by these organizations (see their respective web sites). I'm sure that he is aware that PSQM, PESQ and most of the voice and image coding algorithms are also patented - in some cases by multiple companies. - Alan -----Original Message----- From: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com [mailto:iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com]On Behalf Of Jean-Francois Mule Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 9:13 PM To: alan@telchemy.com; 'Jostein Trones' Cc: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Subject: RE: [IPTEL] Packet Switched vs Line Switched QoS with or without the IPR claims? just curious... > -----Original Message----- > From: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com > [mailto:iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com]On Behalf Of Alan Clark > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:33 AM > To: 'Jostein Trones' > Cc: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com > Subject: RE: [IPTEL] Packet Switched vs Line Switched QoS > > > > There has been some work in ETSI TIPHON WG5 (www.etsi.org) > and ANSI TIA TR41 > in this area. This encompasses both design guidelines for > VoIP networks and > methods for real time monitoring of call quality. I can provide more > details if you are interested. > > Alan Clark > > -----Original Message----- > From: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com > [mailto:iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com]On Behalf Of > president@access.net.id > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:55 PM > To: Jostein Trones > Cc: 'iptel@lists.bell-labs.com' > Subject: Re: [IPTEL] Packet Switched vs Line Switched > > > Folks, > In Indonesia, My company MAHATEL, has specific license from Gov: > Fixed Network Telecom Operator Based On Packet Switched System > > IP & F/R Switches incl. DataCom Network must be developed. > I am sure that it has good carrier quality voice grade as well. > Regards, -teddy > > At 01:21 PM 3/5/01 +0100, Jostein Trones wrote: > <...> > In other words: How > >can we assure good quality when not having a Line Switched > network? "" for > >this fora. I have had a look in the archives, but haven't > found much on > >this. Maybe someone here can point me in the right direction for more > >information? Thank you very much, Jostein Trones > > > > _______________________________________________ > IPTEL mailing list > IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com > http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel > > > _______________________________________________ > IPTEL mailing list > IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com > http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Mon Mar 12 02:16:05 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id CAA05389 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 02:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E15D44341; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 02:16:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from redball.dynamicsoft.com (redball.dynamicsoft.com [216.173.40.51]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95B344336 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 02:15:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from DYN-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com ([216.173.40.50]) by redball.dynamicsoft.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id CAA03558 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 02:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by DYN-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 02:17:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Rosenberg To: "List Iptel (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [IPTEL] FW: CALSCH Agenda for IETF 50 Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 02:17:29 -0500 Folks, We are officially on the calsch agenda for discussing CPL during IETF 50. Please feel free to attend the calsch discussions if you are interested in contributing to these discussions. Thanks, Jonathan R. --- Jonathan D. Rosenberg 72 Eagle Rock Ave. Chief Scientist First Floor dynamicsoft East Hanover, NJ 07936 jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.dynamicsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Mahoney [mailto:bobmah@mit.edu] Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 7:16 AM To: agenda@ietf.org Cc: ietf-calendar@imc.org Subject: CALSCH Agenda for IETF 50 1. Agenda Tweaks -Bob Mahoney The usual bashing 2. IPTEL/CALSCH issues -John Stracke Overview of major issues (Will also be covered in WG dinners and such) 3. CAP status -Steve Mansour/George Babics 4. CALSCH.ORG web site -Bob Mahoney 5. Have we bit off more than we can chew? -Steve Mansour Are the sheer size of the documents & scope of effort impeding adoption? 6. "Guide to Internet Calendaring" Last Call -Bob/George 7. RFC updates and status -TBA 7. Plans for further informal meetings during the week. 8. Adjourn. _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 13 01:15:06 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id BAA02424 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27EC74433B; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:15:03 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from redball.dynamicsoft.com (redball.dynamicsoft.com [216.173.40.51]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2636144336 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from DYN-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com ([216.173.40.50]) by redball.dynamicsoft.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id BAA17422 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by DYN-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:16:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Rosenberg To: "List Iptel (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [IPTEL] agenda for IETF 50 Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:16:19 -0500 Folks, Here is the current agenda for IETF 50: Agenda for iptel working group IETF 50 ------- 1. Agenda Bashing [Rosenberg] - 5 mins 2. CPL Status and Update [Rosenberg] - 5 mins 3. TRIP Open Issue [Rosenberg] - 10 mins 4. Transit Network Selection [Walker] - 10 mins 5. TRIP MIB Update and Issues [Walker] - 10 mins 6. Service Codes [Peterson] - 10 mins 7. New Charter discussion [Rosenberg] - 30 mins Comments welcome. I'll be sending out a charter proposal shortly for perusal and comment before the meeting. Thanks, Jonathan R. --- Jonathan D. Rosenberg 72 Eagle Rock Ave. Chief Scientist First Floor dynamicsoft East Hanover, NJ 07936 jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.dynamicsoft.com _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Wed Mar 14 16:19:05 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA04609 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F26C4434B; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:19:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from redball.dynamicsoft.com (redball.dynamicsoft.com [216.173.40.51]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5376844349 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from DYN-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com ([216.173.40.50]) by redball.dynamicsoft.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id QAA10808; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by DYN-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:21:05 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Rosenberg To: "List Iptel (E-mail)" Cc: "Lennox, Jonathan (E-mail)" , "Schulzrinne, Henning (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C0ACCC.AD07E31C" Subject: [IPTEL] FW: CALSCH Agenda for IETF 50 Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:21:04 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C0ACCC.AD07E31C Content-Type: text/plain Folks, Here is the outline of the presentation John Stracke, who participates in calsch, will be giving regarding CPL and iCalendar during the calsch meeting. -Jonathan R. --- Jonathan D. Rosenberg 72 Eagle Rock Ave. Chief Scientist First Floor dynamicsoft East Hanover, NJ 07936 jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.dynamicsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: John Stracke [mailto:francis@ecal.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 3:13 PM To: ietf-calendar@imc.org Subject: Re: CALSCH Agenda for IETF 50 Bob Mahoney wrote: > 2. IPTEL/CALSCH issues -John Stracke > Overview of major issues > (Will also be covered in WG dinners and such) Attached is the outline of what I'll be covering. Please let me know if there's anything unclear, or if you think it's too long, or something. -- /==============================================================\ |John Stracke | http://www.ecal.com |My opinions are my own.| |Chief Scientist |=============================================| |eCal Corp. |"You gotta learn to dance before you learn to| |francis@ecal.com|crawl!" -- Meatloaf, "Everything Louder than | | |Everything Else" | \==============================================================/ ------_=_NextPart_000_01C0ACCC.AD07E31C Content-Type: text/html; name="outline.html" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="outline.html" IPTEL's use of iCalendar

IPTEL's use of iCalendar

  • Why IPTEL uses iCalendar
    • CPL (Call Processing Language) needs to know which rules apply when.
    • In essence, that's a recurring event: this rule applies at these times.
    • Rather than invent recurrence rules from scratch, CPL uses a subset of iCalendar's.
    • Hope is that a user's CPL rules can be populated from their calendar: "Don't call me while I'm in meetings".
  • What the problem is
    • The full iCalendar RECUR semantics are too much for CPL
      • CPL has to run in a telephony switch. CPU and memory are expensive.
      • CPL has to run in bounded time. BYSETPOS and COUNT cannot be evaluated in bounded time.
      • Also, iCalendar can specify a recurring event whose instances overlap. Nightmare.
    • So CPL defines a subset of the recurrence rules
      • Eliminates all sub-day parameters (SECONDLY, MINUTELY, HOURLY, BYSECOND, BYMINUTE, BYHOUR).
      • Eliminates BYSETPOS, COUNT.
      • Restricts DURATION to be less than 24 hours.
    • Meets CPL's needs, but cannot interoperate
      • A calendar user can specify recurrences which their IPTEL switch cannot implement.
      • If the switch and the CS are connecting behind the scenes, it will be difficult to give the user a good explanation.
      • User will wind up believing the switch just doesn't work.
      • Some users may not encounter the problem. This is worse, because, sooner or later, they will; and then it'll be a surprise.
  • The subset solution
    • iCalendar's recurrence rules are too much for calendars, too.
      • Possible to define extremely complex rules. Example:
        • occurs every 79 seconds,
        • also occurs at 3:15:25 PM on the 12th, 37th, and 159th days of the year,
        • but does not occur unless it's 13 or 23 seconds after the minute,
        • and does not occur on the second Tuesday of the month.
      • How can UI express this clearly?
      • Worse, how can the user edit it?
      • CUA's RRULE editor will work only on a subset; no other option.
      • Different CUAs will use different subsets. Might not test features outside their subset properly. Interop nightmare.
    • Suggestion: define a subset.
      • Pare down the semantics to something manageable.
      • draft-stracke-calsch-rrule-subset-XX.txt defines subset from CPL
      • Might conceivably need to be simplified still more, but this is a start.
    • My preference: this subset should become the only set.
      • When we rev 2445, we should throw out the parts that don't fit.
      • Otherwise, we still have interop problems, when a 2445bis CUA gets an iCalendar from a 2445 CUA.
------_=_NextPart_000_01C0ACCC.AD07E31C-- _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Thu Mar 15 11:10:26 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA02096 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:10:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746A3443A0; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:09:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from redball.dynamicsoft.com (redball.dynamicsoft.com [216.173.40.51]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7293A4439E for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from DYN-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com ([216.173.40.50]) by redball.dynamicsoft.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id LAA21573 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by DYN-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:10:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Rosenberg To: "List Iptel (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C0AD6A.79A22158" Subject: [IPTEL] FW: CALSCH Agenda for IETF 50 Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:10:38 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C0AD6A.79A22158 Content-Type: text/plain Here is the unpublished draft that John Stracke, who is involved in calsch, and Jonathan Lennox, have co-authored. It defines the iCalendar subset indpendently of CPL. -Jonathan R. --- Jonathan D. Rosenberg 72 Eagle Rock Ave. Chief Scientist First Floor dynamicsoft East Hanover, NJ 07936 jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.dynamicsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: John Stracke [mailto:francis@ecal.com] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:17 AM To: ietf-calendar@imc.org Subject: Re: CALSCH Agenda for IETF 50 John Stracke wrote: * Bob Mahoney wrote: > > > 2. IPTEL/CALSCH issues -John Stracke > > Overview of major issues > > (Will also be covered in WG dinners and such) > > Attached is the outline of what I'll be covering. And here's the (unsubmitted) Draft it mentions. -- /=================================================================\ |John Stracke | http://www.ecal.com |My opinions are my own. | |Chief Scientist |================================================| |eCal Corp. |I'm not imaginary. I'm ontologically challenged.| |francis@ecal.com| | \=================================================================/ ------_=_NextPart_000_01C0AD6A.79A22158 Content-Type: text/plain; name="draft-stracke-calsch-rrule-subset-XX.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="draft-stracke-calsch-rrule-subset-XX.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Internet Engineering Task Force J. Stracke INTERNET DRAFT eCal draft-stracke-calsch-rrule-subset-XX.txt J. Lennox Columbia Univ. February 2001 Expires: August 2001 A Simplified Subset of iCalendar RRULEs 1. Status of this Memo This document is an Internet-Draft and is in full conformance with all provisions of Section 10 of RFC2026. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet- Drafts. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other docu- ments at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. Distribution of this document is unlimited. Please send comments to francis@ecal.com or to the ietf-calendar@imc.org discussion list (subscription address ietf-calendar-request@imc.org; "SUBSCRIBE" or "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body). 2. Copyright Notice Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2000). All Rights Reserved. 3. Abstract This document sets forth a subset of the RRULE syntax for [iCalen- dar]. The problem which motivated this subset is that iCalendar's recurring-event rules are extremely complex; it is difficult to = eval- uate them, and well-nigh impossible to build a usable user interface Stracke, Lennox [Page = 1] =0C RRULE Subset December = 2000 to edit them. 4. Introduction [iCalendar]'s recurrence rules are extremely complex. For example, it is possible to specify an event which: * occurs every 79 seconds, * also occurs at 3:15:25 PM on the 12th, 37th, and 159th days of the year, * but does not occur unless it's 13 or 23 seconds after the minute, * and does not occur on the second Tuesday of the month. While it is certainly feasible (though difficult) to write computer code which interprets such rules, it is extremely hard to be sure = one has written this code correctly. Furthermore, it is probably impos- sible to create a user interface which can display (let alone edit) these rules in a comprehensible fashion. (For one thing, note that the "not unless it's 13 or 23 seconds after the minute" part con- flicts with the "3:15:25 PM" part. It is, of course, possible to write code which examines the rule for such conflicts; but then one has to figure out how to explain them to the user. A proper UI pre- vents the user from making mistakes in the first place; and that becomes nearly impossible when the mistakes are so hard to explain.) In order to make the user interface comprehensible, each CUA will probably expose only a subset of the available recurrence features = to the user. The risk, then, is that different CUAs will expose = differ- ent subsets, and will not be properly tested for iCalendar objects which stray outside those subsets. Even if they expand those = iCalen- dar objects correctly, they may not display the full recurrence rule correctly, since that would require complicating the UI. If that happens, the user will wind up seeing that the recurrence rule for their repeating event says it occurs every Monday, but the calendar does not show the event on every Monday; there are gaps. Confusing the users like this effectively means that there will not be = interop- erability: even if the underlying iCalendar implementations under- stand each other, the users don't. Finally, evaluating these rules is highly CPU-intensive. If one = uses the COUNT parameter, for example, to state that the event occurs no more than 25 times, then, every time the user wishes to see their calendar, the CUA (Calendar User Agent) must evaluate that rule up = to 25 times. This is sort of acceptable when it's just the CUA getting involved; but, if the CUA is making a query against a CS (Calendar Store) for all the user's events within a given range, that's an Stracke, Lennox [Page = 2] =0C RRULE Subset December = 2000 extremely expensive request, computationally, to impose on a server. Servers which support such queries will not scale, unless they pre- expand their recurring events. This approach can work, but it has its own problems; it is expensive in disk space, and may create so many database entries that the database slows down. (Or, of course, it may not; the point is simply that, as things stand, this approach is the only viable one; with cheaper evaluation, we have more options, more opportunities to find the Right Thing.) The iptel working group, in defining their Call Processing Language ([CPL]), needed a way of specifying which processing rules apply when. They wanted to reuse the iCalendar specification, but they found the cost of evaluating the recurrence rules to be too high to perform in a telephony switch. So, instead, they used a subset of iCalendar recurrence rules, in which the switch can answer the ques- tion "which rule applies right now?" in O(1) time. This document lays out that subset in iCalendar terms. 5. Subset Definition In this subset, not all of the parameters defined in [iCalendar]'s section 4.3.10 (which defines the value type RECUR) are allowed. = The allowed parameters are: * FREQ * INTERVAL * UNTIL * BYDAY * BYMONTHDAY * BYYEARDAY * BYWEEKNO * BYMONTH * WKST In addition, the FREQ parameter is more restricted than in [iCal- endar]; the only legal values are DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY, and YEARLY (SECONDLY, MINUTELY, and HOURLY were removed). Finally, the event's DURATION must be less than 24 hours. 6. Subset Motivation (This section is non-normative.) The COUNT and BYSETPOS parameters have been removed in order to make sure that it is possible to evaluate a rule in O(1) time; since = COUNT Stracke, Lennox [Page = 3] =0C RRULE Subset December = 2000 and BYSETPOS rely on the concept of "Nth instance of the event", = they require the implementation to loop through and evaluate at least the first N instances. If necessary, similar functionality can be obtained via UNTIL and EXDATE or RDATE. In addition, limiting FREQ's values and removing BYSECOND, BYMINUTE, and BYHOUR makes it impossible to specify an event which recurs more often than once per day. Combined with the restriction that the event's duration must be less than 24 hours, this makes sure that no two instances of a recurring event can overlap. Overlapping instances would complicate the evaluation algorithm and prevent it from being O(1); and, in any case, a user interface would be hard- pressed to display an event with overlapping instances in a coherent fashion. It might be possible to come up with some other way of = pre- venting overlapping instances, but this one is simple to understand (both for implementors and for users). It is worth pointing out that the O(1) algorithm is not quite con- stant time; for example, if the VEVENT contains both an RRULE and an EXRULE, evaluation will take twice as long. If it contains N EXDATEs, evaluation will go up by an O(N) factor (the same applies for RDATEs, of course). 7. Conclusions The subset specified here is much simpler to work with than the full RECUR syntax of [iCalendar], without greatly limiting functionality; if we modify iCalendar to be limited to this subset, it ought to be easier to achieve full interoperability. It will also be simpler = for users to understand, and for implementations to evaluate. 8. Security Considerations This document specifies a subset of [iCalendar], and accordingly inherits all of iCalendar's security analysis. It seems intuitively obvious (warning: handwaving ahead) that adopting this subset cannot introduce new security risks; that any risk present in this subset = is also present in the original iCalendar specification. 9. An Algorithm for Resolving Time Switches (This section is non-normative. It is taken from Appendix A of [CPL].) Stracke, Lennox [Page = 4] =0C RRULE Subset December = 2000 The following algorithm resolves, in constant time, whether a given instant falls within a repetition of a time-switch recurrence. Open- source Java code implementing this algorithm is available on the world wide web at . 1. Compute the time of the call, in the timezone of the time switch. (No step after this needs to consider time zones -- all calculations are done using continuously-running standard Gregorian time.) 2. If the call time is earlier than dtstart, fail NOMATCH. 3. If the call time is less than duration after dtstart, succeed MATCH. 4. Determine the smallest unit specified in a byxxx rule or by the freq. Call this the Minimum Unit. Determine the previous instant (before the call time) when all the time units = smaller than the minimum unit are the same as those of dtstart. (For all minimum units, the time-of-day must be the same as dtstart. If the minimum unit is a week, the day-of-the-week must be the same as dtstart. If the minimum unit is a month, the day-of-the-month must be the same as dtstart. If the = mini- mum unit is a year, the month and day-of-month must both be the same as dtstart. (Note that this means it may be = necessary to roll back more than one minimum unit -- if the minimum = unit is a month, then some months do not have a 31st (or 30th or 29th) day; if the minimum unit is a year, then some years do not have a February 29th. In the Gregorian calendar, it is never necessary to roll back more than two months, or eight years (four years between 1904 and 2096).) Call this instant the Candidate Start Time. 5. If the time between the candidate start time and the call = time is more than the duration, fail NOMATCH. 6. If the candidate start time is later than the until parameter of the recurrence, fail NOMATCH. 7. Call the unit of the freq parameter of the recurrence the = Fre- quency Unit. Determine the frequency unit enclosing the Can- didate Start Time, and that enclosing dtstart. Calculate the number of frequency units that have passed between these two times. If this is not a multiple of the interval parameter, fail NOMATCH. Stracke, Lennox [Page = 5] =0C RRULE Subset December = 2000 8. For every byxxx rule, confirm that the candidate start time matches one of the options specified by that byxxx rule. If not, fail NOMATCH. 9. Succeed MATCH. 10. Authors' Addresses: John Stracke Chief Scientist eCal Corp. Email: francis@ecal.com Jonathan Lennox Dept. of Computer Science Columbia University 1214 Amsterdam Avenue, MC 0401 New York, NY 10027 USA Email: lennox@cs.columbia.edu 11. References [iCAL] Dawson, Stenerson, "Internet Calendaring and Scheduling Core Object Specification (iCalendar)", RFC 2445, November 1998. [CPL] Lennox, Schulzrinne, "CPL: A Language for User Control of = Internet Telephony Services", draft-ietf-iptel-cpl-04.txt, November 2000. Work in progress. Stracke, Lennox [Page = 6] =0C ------_=_NextPart_000_01C0AD6A.79A22158-- _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Thu Mar 15 11:31:06 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA02499 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB854439B; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:31:01 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from drago1.ubiquity.net (news.ubiquity.net [194.202.146.92]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 40B6044395 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from gecko.ubiquity.net by drago1.ubiquity.net via smtpd (for share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 16:30:09 UT Received: from ubiquity.net by ubiquity.net with ESMTP (8.8.8+Sun/25-eef) id QAA05972; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:30:06 GMT Message-ID: <3AB0EE0E.F34D4B07@ubiquity.net> From: James Undery X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Rosenberg Cc: "List Iptel (E-mail)" Subject: Re: [IPTEL] FW: CALSCH Agenda for IETF 50 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:30:06 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: > Here is the unpublished draft that John Stracke, who is involved in calsch, > and Jonathan Lennox, have co-authored. It defines the iCalendar subset > indpendently of CPL. The obvious comment is that in section 5, DURATION must also be positive. James Undery _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Fri Mar 16 09:41:10 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA04318 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:41:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B49E4444C; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:41:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from itecid1.telecom-co.net (unknown [200.21.27.173]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A322A443E7 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from katherine ([200.21.27.235]) by itecid1.telecom-co.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA11918; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:40:45 -0500 (GMT) Message-ID: <032001c0ae26$c7b25f80$eb1b15c8@telecomco.net> From: "Katherine" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mauricio_Bola=F1os?= , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_031C_01C0ADFC.DE8CD7F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [IPTEL] help for a service in CPL Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:38:34 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_031C_01C0ADFC.DE8CD7F0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_031D_01C0ADFC.DE8FE530" ------=_NextPart_001_031D_01C0ADFC.DE8FE530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all! I'm trying to develop a service of user location using CPL in a = networking architecture SIP. I'm not expert in CPL and for this reason I = need help to correct a script for the xml code. The service of intelligent user location has, such as final goal, to = give the user the posibility of others users to localize him/her in = different places depending of the hours during the day, for example, in = the case Mary wants to be localized since 00:00:00 hours until 06:00:00 = in the Mary@IBM.com location and since 18:00:00 until 12:00:00 in the = Mary12@Epson.com location.=20 The explanation of my design is as follow: The first address-switch asks for the host where reside the service. If = the domain is ITEC-telecom.com.co, to pass second address-switch, = otherwise the call is reject.=20 The second address-switch asks for the user. If the user is Mary, the = call reach to the first time switch, otherwise the call is reject. The first time switch indicate that the user will be localized since the = 00:00:00 hours until 6 hours after in the Mary@IBM.com location.=20 If the local time is not accord with the time established in the = time-switch, the call will reach the second time-switch. The second time-switch indicate that the user will be localized since = the 06:00:00 hours until 12:00:00 hours. If the local time is accord = with this interval, the user will be localized in the Mary12@Epson.com = location, otherwise the call will be reject. The proxy action signalling has three outputs. The busy and failure = outputs correspond to the events: response 486 and 3xx respectively in = the SIP protocol, the noanswer output go to a subaction called Mail, = that contains a location node and a redirect action signalling. The cpl diagram and the xml code with its respective dtd are attached. I need to know if this design and if the xml code are right. Thanks in advance Katherine Morera Olarte Research Division ITEC-TELECOM Bogot=E1 Colombia ------=_NextPart_001_031D_01C0ADFC.DE8FE530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all!

I'm trying to develop a service of = user=20 location using CPL in a networking architecture SIP. I'm not expert in = CPL and=20 for this reason I need help to correct a script for the xml = code.
 
The service of intelligent user = location has, such=20 as final goal, to give the user the posibility of others users to = localize=20 him/her in different places depending of the hours during the day, for = example,=20 in the case Mary wants to be localized since 00:00:00 hours until = 06:00:00 in=20 the Mary@IBM.com location and since = 18:00:00=20 until 12:00:00 in the Mary12@Epson.com=20 location.
 
The explanation of my design is as=20 follow:
 
The first address-switch asks for the = host where=20 reside the service. If the domain is ITEC-telecom.com.co, to pass second = address-switch, otherwise the call is reject.
 
The second address-switch asks for the = user. If the=20 user is Mary, the call reach to the first time switch, otherwise the = call is=20 reject.
 
The first time switch indicate that the = user will=20 be localized since the 00:00:00 hours until 6 hours after in the Mary@IBM.com location.
 
If  the local time is not accord = with the time=20 established in the time-switch, the call will reach the second=20 time-switch.
 
The second time-switch indicate that = the user will=20 be localized since the 06:00:00 hours until 12:00:00 hours. If the local time is accord with this interval, = the user will=20 be localized in the Mary12@Epson.com=20 location, otherwise the call will be reject.
 
The proxy action signalling has three = outputs. The=20 busy and failure outputs correspond to the events: response 486 and 3xx=20 respectively in the SIP protocol, the noanswer output go to a subaction = called=20 Mail, that contains a location node and a redirect action=20 signalling.
 
The cpl diagram and the xml code with = its=20 respective dtd are attached.
 
I need to know if this design and if = the xml code=20 are right.
 
Thanks in advance
 
 
Katherine Morera Olarte
Research = Division
ITEC-TELECOM
Bogot=E1=20 Colombia
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------=_NextPart_000_031C_01C0ADFC.DE8CD7F0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="CPL2.dtd" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="CPL2.dtd" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_031C_01C0ADFC.DE8CD7F0-- _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Fri Mar 16 11:40:07 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA06647 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:40:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EFE44473; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:40:03 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from itecid1.telecom-co.net (unknown [200.21.27.173]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD90344474 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from katherine ([200.21.27.235]) by itecid1.telecom-co.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA13789; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:07:32 -0500 (GMT) Message-ID: <038701c0ae32$e63bf220$eb1b15c8@telecomco.net> From: "Katherine" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlos_Monta=F1a?= , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mauricio_Bola=F1os?= , , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0383_01C0AE08.FD42D1C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [IPTEL] Help of a service in cpl Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:05:19 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0383_01C0AE08.FD42D1C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0384_01C0AE08.FD42D1C0" ------=_NextPart_001_0384_01C0AE08.FD42D1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all! I'm trying to develop a service of user location using CPL in a = networking architecture SIP. I'm not expert in CPL and for this reason I = need help to correct a script for the xml code. The service of intelligent user location has, such as final goal, to = give the user the posibility of others users to localize him/her in = different places depending of the hours during the day, for example, in = the case Mary wants to be localized since 00:00:00 hours until 06:00:00 = in the Mary@IBM.com location and since 18:00:00 until 12:00:00 in the = Mary12@Epson.com location.=20 The explanation of my design is as follow: The first address-switch asks for the host where reside the service. If = the domain is ITEC-telecom.com.co, to pass second address-switch, = otherwise the call is reject.=20 =20 The second address-switch asks for the user. If the user is Mary, the = call reach to the first time switch, otherwise the call is reject. The first time switch indicate that the user will be localized since the = 00:00:00 hours until 6 hours after in the Mary@IBM.com location.=20 If the local time is not accord with the time established in the = time-switch, the call will reach the second time-switch. The second time-switch indicate that the user will be localized since = the 06:00:00 hours until 12:00:00 hours. If the local time is accord = with this interval, the user will be localized in the Mary12@Epson.com = location, otherwise the call will be reject. The proxy action signalling has three outputs. The busy and failure = outputs correspond to the events: response 486 and 3xx respectively in = the SIP protocol, the noanswer output go to a subaction called Mail, = that contains a location node and a redirect action signalling. The cpl diagram and the xml code with its respective dtd are attached. I need to know if this design and if the xml code are right. =20 Thanks in advance =20 Katherine Morera Olarte Research Division ITEC-TELECOM Bogot=E1 Colombia http://itec.telecom-co.net ------=_NextPart_001_0384_01C0AE08.FD42D1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all!

I'm trying to develop a service of = user=20 location using CPL in a networking architecture SIP. I'm not expert in = CPL and=20 for this reason I need help to correct a script for the xml = code.
 
The service of intelligent user = location has, such=20 as final goal, to give the user the posibility of others users to = localize=20 him/her in different places depending of the hours during the day, for = example,=20 in the case Mary wants to be localized since 00:00:00 hours until = 06:00:00 in=20 the Mary@IBM.com location and since = 18:00:00=20 until 12:00:00 in the Mary12@Epson.com=20 location.
 
The explanation of my design is as=20 follow:
 
The first address-switch asks for the = host where=20 reside the service. If the domain is ITEC-telecom.com.co, to pass second = address-switch, otherwise the call is reject.
 
The second address-switch asks for the = user. If the=20 user is Mary, the call reach to the first time switch, otherwise the = call is=20 reject.
 
The first time switch indicate that the = user will=20 be localized since the 00:00:00 hours until 6 hours after in the Mary@IBM.com location.
 
If  the local time is not accord = with the time=20 established in the time-switch, the call will reach the second=20 time-switch.
 
The second time-switch indicate that = the user will=20 be localized since the 06:00:00 hours until 12:00:00 hours. If the local time is accord with this interval, = the user will=20 be localized in the Mary12@Epson.com=20 location, otherwise the call will be reject.
 
The proxy action signalling has three = outputs. The=20 busy and failure outputs correspond to the events: response 486 and 3xx=20 respectively in the SIP protocol, the noanswer output go to a subaction = called=20 Mail, that contains a location node and a redirect action=20 signalling.
 
The cpl diagram and the xml code with = its=20 respective dtd are attached.
 
I need to know if this design and if = the xml code=20 are right.
 
Thanks in advance
 
 
Katherine Morera Olarte
Research = Division
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------=_NextPart_000_0383_01C0AE08.FD42D1C0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="CPL2.dtd" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="CPL2.dtd" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0383_01C0AE08.FD42D1C0-- _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Sat Mar 17 18:33:04 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA10322 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:33:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5440D44350; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:33:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from redball.dynamicsoft.com (redball.dynamicsoft.com [216.173.40.51]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6124044336 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from DYN-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com ([216.173.40.50]) by redball.dynamicsoft.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id SAA22103 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by DYN-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:34:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Rosenberg To: "List Iptel (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [IPTEL] draft of new charter proposal Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:34:25 -0500 Folks, One of the items on our agenda Monday is the discussion of the new charter. To facilitate the discussion, the proposed charter is enclosed here for your perusal. Comments received from some folks who saw an early version of this was that there was interest in owning the tel URL, and specifying some extensions to it (James' LNP and freephone extensions), and moving it to draft. Comments welcome. Thanks, JOnathan R. IP Telephony (iptel) Working Group Chair: Jonathan Rosenberg Transport Area Directors: Scott Bradner Allison Mankin Transport Area Advisor: Scott Bradner Description The focus of the IP Telephony (iptel) group is on the problems related to propagation of routing information for VoIP protocols. Specifically, both SIP and H.323 have the notion of signaling intermediaries (proxies in SIP and gatekeepers in H.323). When these devices receive call establishment messages, they must make a routing decision on where to forward the call setup messages. The iptel group has already defined a protocol, Telephony Routing over IP (TRIP), which solves one aspect of this problem. Specifically, it handles the case where calls need to be routed between providers. It allows for the exchange of routing information between these providers, so that policies can be applied to the resulting data to create a forwarding information base. However, this protocol does not address all the scenarios of route information exchange between servers. The group will therefore generate several additional documents that cover cases that are not handled by TRIP. The first document is an informational framework and requirements RFC that discusses these various route exchange cases - specifically, intra-domain route propagation, gateway to server route exchange (also known as gateway registrations), and service routing. This document will discuss a framework for how these pieces fit together, and fit with the existing TRIP framework, and will also define requirements for protocols to address these additional cases. An analysis of the security requirements for these scenarios will also be part of the document. The group will also specify a standards track protocol (most likely a set of new attributes and usage case for TRIP) for the gateway registration scenario. This case is the most well understood and also in the most urgent need of standardization; proprietary solutions are beginning to get deployed, and these solutions are both architecturally unsound and not interoperable. The group will generate a MIB document for TRIP, and will generate a guidelines document that elaborates on typical configuration and policy setups for proper usage of TRIP. Note that the group is not working on elevating TRIP to Draft Standard at this time. Deliverables: 1. A Proposed Standard TRIP MIB specification, based heavily on the existing BGP-4 MIB documents. 2. A TRIP Usage Guidelines BCP RFC 3. A VoIP Route Exchange Framework and Requirements document, to be published as an Informational RFC 4. A proposed standard RFC for gateway to server route exchange. Milestones: Sep 01 : Gateway to Server Route Exchange document submitted to IESG for consideration as proposed standard. Sep 01: VoIP Route Exchange Framework and Requirements document submitted to IESG for consideration as Informational RFC Dec 01: TRIP MIB Document submitted to IESG for consideration as proposed standard Feb 02: TRIP Usage Guidelines Document submitted to IESG for consideration as BCP --- Jonathan D. Rosenberg 72 Eagle Rock Ave. Chief Scientist First Floor dynamicsoft East Hanover, NJ 07936 jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.dynamicsoft.com _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Sun Mar 18 10:41:34 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id KAA08543 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391F744341; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:41:19 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from cs.columbia.edu (cs.columbia.edu [128.59.16.20]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504A144337 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from bart.cs.columbia.edu (bart.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.19.191]) by cs.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09396 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hgs@localhost) by bart.cs.columbia.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id KAA03227; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:38:09 -0500 (EST) From: Henning Schulzrinne Message-Id: <200103181538.KAA03227@bart.cs.columbia.edu> To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com List: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Subject: [IPTEL] Call for Participation: Internet Telephony Workshop 2001 April 2/3 Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:38:09 -0500 (EST) Call for Participation 2nd IP Telephony Workshop April 2-3, 2001 - Columbia University, New York City http://www.fokus.gmd.de/events/iptel2001/ Objectives ---------- Internet telephony is rapidly evolving from research to design and deployment. The IP Telephony Workshop aims at bringing together researchers, developers, vendors and service providers active in this area and stimulate discussion on innovation, research, implementation, deployment experiences and future directions. Scope & Topics -------------- Original technical articles related to IP telephony will be presented, on topics ranging from quality of service, voice measurements, deployment experiences, accounting, security, service and feature interaction. The keynote address will be given by Prof. Dave Farber from the University of Pennsylvania. Important Dates --------------- Registration deadline March 23rd, 2001 Workshop April 2nd-3rd, 2001 iptel2001 Organizing Committee ------------------------------ Program Chair H. Schulzrinne Columbia University Program Committee M. Arango Sun Microsystems F. Baker Cisco W. Bauerfeld T-Nova G. Bond AT&T Research S. Bradner Harvard University G. Carle GMD FOKUS J. Crowcroft UCL C. Huitema Microsoft G. S. Kuo National Central University, Taiwan J. Kuthan GMD Fokus T. Magedanz IKV++ GmbH W. Marshall AT&T Research D. Medhi University of Missouri-Kansas City D. Oran Cisco J. Ott University of Bremen T. La Porta Bell Labs B. Rosen Marconi J. Rosenberg dynamicsoft H. Sinnreich MCI WorldCom R. Steinmetz Technical University of Darmstadt H. Stüttgen NEC CCRLE W. Wimmreuter Siemens L. Wolf University of Karlsruhe A. Wolisz Technical University of Berlin Contact Address --------------- Please send all your inquiries regarding iptel2001 to iptel2001@egroups.com. Registration ------------ The registration is now open. Participants are asked to register in advance at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/iptel2001/iptel2001/reg/ The registration deadline is March 23rd, 2001. See our registration website for more details. Accommodation ------------- New York city offers many hotels in different price ranges. Our accommodation web page contains pointers to some nearby hotels, however, attendees are responsible for booking their own accommodation. http://www.fokus.gmd.de/events/iptel2001/accommodation/ Exhibition ---------- To demonstrate how research and development become reality there will be an exhibition co-located with the workshop. A limited number of teams from industry as well as from academia and research will be given space to present their software and hardware, both products and prototypes. If you are interested in presenting your products or prototypes at iptel2001, please send an e-mail to iptel2001@egroups.com. Please include a short description of what you plan to display and special requirements if you have any. We will provide tables, power strips, Ethernet/802.11b wireless Internet connectivity (no firewall/NAT) and space for your booth if needed. _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 20 09:39:08 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA07573 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2852C4437F; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:39:03 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from localhost.localdomain (pcp000702pcs.wireless.meeting.ietf.org [135.222.64.202]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382AD44336 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:29:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ecal.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2K5a8B03970; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:36:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3AB6D6D4.7AF17EFE@ecal.com> From: John Stracke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i586) X-Accept-Language: en, de, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: calsch WG , iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [IPTEL] Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:04:36 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We talked about the CPL/iCalendar issue at the calsch dinner tonight. The outcome (such as it is): * Some of us, at least, like the idea of cutting back iCalendar's RECUR semantics to match the CPL semantics (as I described in the informal Draft I posted last Monday). * The changes: o In order to prevent overlapping instances, which complicate evaluation: + Recurring events cannot have a DURATION over 24 hours. + The interval between instances must be less than 24 hours. + All the RECUR parameters for sub-day values (e.g., BYSEC, BYMIN, BYHOUR) are removed. o COUNT and BYSETPOS are removed, so that you don't have to step through the instances linearly in order to evaluate the rule. * Possible impact on existing (or potential) applications: o No overlapping instances--can anybody provide a plausible scenario where you'd want them? o Unable to schedule sub-day recurrences--is this a problem? They were apparently put in for people who wanted to schedule bandwidth allocation at a very fine granularity; is anybody still interested in this? o COUNT can be replaced with UNTIL. o BYSETPOS can be replaced with EXDATEs. So. Please think it over so we can discuss it in the meeting Wednesday. (If you're not here, it'd be helpful if you can post before the meeting.) -- /==============================================================\ |John Stracke | http://www.ecal.com |My opinions are my own.| |Chief Scientist |=============================================| |eCal Corp. |This space intentionally not left blank. | |francis@ecal.com| | \==============================================================/ _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 20 09:42:19 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA07670 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDBC4438B; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:39:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from pivsbh1.ms.com (pivsbh1.ms.com [199.89.64.103]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C81D44336 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by pivsbh1.ms.com (8.9.3/fw v1.30) id IAA21839; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1) by pivsbh1 via smap (4.1) id sma.9850933071.021830; Tue, 20 Mar 01 08:01:47 -0500 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by pivsbh1.ms.com (8.9.3/8.11.2) id IAA21801; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(144.14.206.187) by pivsbh1 via smap (4.1) id sma.9850933051.021763; Tue, 20 Mar 01 08:01:45 -0500 Received: from msdw.com (vpn2766036.morgan.com [172.27.66.36]) by pismh4.ms.com (8.8.5/imap+ldap v2.4) with ESMTP id IAA06031; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:01:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB754BA.880F293C@msdw.com> From: David Madeo Reply-To: David.Madeo@msdw.com Organization: Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD MS4.75 V20000913.1 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Stracke Cc: calsch WG , iptel@lists.bell-labs.com References: <3AB6D6D4.7AF17EFE@ecal.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms24960309373B4D10199F8F3D" Subject: [IPTEL] Re: Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:01:46 -0500 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms24960309373B4D10199F8F3D Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------8F237154C511476F9C919E6E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8F237154C511476F9C919E6E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Stracke wrote: > We talked about the CPL/iCalendar issue at the calsch dinner > tonight. The outcome (such as it is): > > + The interval between instances must be less than > 24 hours. I'm assuming this is reversed and should be "more". Otherwise my weekly meetings are going to be a bit difficult. A counter example would be the pill that I have to take every four hours. > * Possible impact on existing (or potential) applications: > o No overlapping instances--can anybody provide a > plausible scenario where you'd want them? Our training dept schedules multiple instances of the "same" class which sometimes overlap. I could easily be swayed by the argument that there should be multiple "threads" on a per instructor basis, or perhaps by room. Just pointing out one possibility. > o Unable to schedule sub-day recurrences--is this a > problem? They were apparently put in for people who > wanted to schedule bandwidth allocation at a very fine > granularity; is anybody still interested in this? 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Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842B644392; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:39:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from cisco.com (nordic.cisco.com [144.254.116.47]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E99544336 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [135.222.95.169] (ssh-ams1.cisco.com [144.254.74.55]) by cisco.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23772; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:30:42 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: pfaltstr@127.0.0.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AB754BA.880F293C@msdw.com> References: <3AB6D6D4.7AF17EFE@ecal.com> <3AB754BA.880F293C@msdw.com> To: David Madeo , John Stracke From: Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Cc: calsch WG , iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [IPTEL] Re: Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:30:32 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 08.01 -0500 01-03-20, David Madeo wrote: >John Stracke wrote: > >> We talked about the CPL/iCalendar issue at the calsch dinner >> tonight. The outcome (such as it is): >> >> + The interval between instances must be less than >> 24 hours. > >I'm assuming this is reversed and should be "more". Otherwise my >weekly meetings are going to be a bit difficult. >A counter example would be the pill that I have to take every four >hours. Question: Is not the requirement for O(1) that the interval between events have to be longer than the length of the event itself? I.e. removing support for sub-24h recurrances seems too arbitrary if not really needed. > > * Possible impact on existing (or potential) applications: >> o No overlapping instances--can anybody provide a >> plausible scenario where you'd want them? > >Our training dept schedules multiple instances of the "same" class >which sometimes overlap. I could easily be swayed by the argument >that there should be multiple "threads" on a per instructor basis, or >perhaps by room. Just pointing out one possibility. The need for non-overlapping events is the largest requirement for O(1) isn't it? Because of this I think it should be stated as the main goal for these changes. paf -- Patrik Fältström Internet Engineering Task Force Area Director, Applications Area http://www.ietf.org Phone: (Stockholm) +46-8-6859131 (San Jose) +1-408-525-8509 PGP: 2DFC AAF6 16F0 F276 7843 2DC1 BC79 51D9 7D25 B8DC _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 20 09:52:39 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA08026 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B792B443AC; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:50:01 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from cs.columbia.edu (cs.columbia.edu [128.59.16.20]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38723443AB for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from bart.cs.columbia.edu (bart.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.19.191]) by cs.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03869; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.columbia.edu (bart.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.19.191]) by bart.cs.columbia.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17542; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:49:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB7990D.3AF869C0@cs.columbia.edu> From: Henning Schulzrinne Organization: Columbia University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Stracke Cc: calsch WG , iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Subject: Re: [IPTEL] Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar References: <3AB6D6D4.7AF17EFE@ecal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:53:17 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One related item discussed was whether some elements (such as COUNT) can be retained if CPL-implementing servers are "willing" to convert COUNT to UNTIL when the CPL script is uploaded, so that the actual call handling is still O(1). This obviously makes sense only if the upload frequency is significantly lower than the call frequency. John Stracke wrote: > > We talked about the CPL/iCalendar issue at the calsch dinner > tonight. The outcome (such as it is): > > * Some of us, at least, like the idea of cutting back > iCalendar's RECUR semantics to match the CPL semantics (as I > described in the informal Draft I posted last Monday). > * The changes: > o In order to prevent overlapping instances, which > complicate evaluation: > + Recurring events cannot have a DURATION over 24 > hours. > + The interval between instances must be less than > 24 hours. > + All the RECUR parameters for sub-day values (e.g., > BYSEC, BYMIN, BYHOUR) are removed. > o COUNT and BYSETPOS are removed, so that you don't have > to step through the instances linearly in order to > evaluate the rule. > * Possible impact on existing (or potential) applications: > o No overlapping instances--can anybody provide a > plausible scenario where you'd want them? > o Unable to schedule sub-day recurrences--is this a > problem? They were apparently put in for people who > wanted to schedule bandwidth allocation at a very fine > granularity; is anybody still interested in this? > o COUNT can be replaced with UNTIL. > o BYSETPOS can be replaced with EXDATEs. > > So. Please think it over so we can discuss it in the meeting > Wednesday. (If you're not here, it'd be helpful if you can post > before the meeting.) > > -- > /==============================================================\ > |John Stracke | http://www.ecal.com |My opinions are my own.| > |Chief Scientist |=============================================| > |eCal Corp. |This space intentionally not left blank. | > |francis@ecal.com| | > \==============================================================/ > > _______________________________________________ > IPTEL mailing list > IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com > http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 20 10:58:09 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id KAA10683 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF39443BF; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:54:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7973344398 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from seasnake.red.iplanet.com (seasnake.red.iplanet.com [192.18.124.85]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KF57920406; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:05:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (sera-nuq-205-217-228-94.mcom.com [205.217.228.94]) by seasnake.red.iplanet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24169224; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:10:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3AB77183.53C3B387@netscape.com> From: Steve Mansour X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Cc: David Madeo , John Stracke , calsch WG , iptel@lists.bell-labs.com References: <3AB6D6D4.7AF17EFE@ecal.com> <3AB754BA.880F293C@msdw.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------771BC2432BC928B142B2216F" Subject: [IPTEL] Re: Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:04:35 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------771BC2432BC928B142B2216F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Patrik Fältström wrote: > At 08.01 -0500 01-03-20, David Madeo wrote: > >John Stracke wrote: > > > >> We talked about the CPL/iCalendar issue at the calsch dinner > >> tonight. The outcome (such as it is): > >> > >> + The interval between instances must be less than > >> 24 hours. > > > >I'm assuming this is reversed and should be "more". Otherwise my > >weekly meetings are going to be a bit difficult. > >A counter example would be the pill that I have to take every four > >hours. > > Question: Is not the requirement for O(1) that the interval between > events have to be longer than the length of the event itself? yes, that is the spirit of what we're after. Even durations must be shorter than the recurrence interval. It turns out that one of the editor's implementation was driving the need for the 24hr number in the proposal. > I.e. removing support for sub-24h recurrances seems too arbitrary if > not really needed. > > > > * Possible impact on existing (or potential) applications: > >> o No overlapping instances--can anybody provide a > >> plausible scenario where you'd want them? > > > >Our training dept schedules multiple instances of the "same" class > >which sometimes overlap. I could easily be swayed by the argument > >that there should be multiple "threads" on a per instructor basis, or > >perhaps by room. Just pointing out one possibility. > > The need for non-overlapping events is the largest requirement for > O(1) isn't it? Overlapping events are common. I think the need is for non-overlapping recurrences. -Steve --------------771BC2432BC928B142B2216F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="sman.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Steve Mansour Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="sman.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:Mansour;Steve tel;fax:408-276-4930 tel;work:408-276-4268 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Netscape version:2.1 email;internet:sman@netscape.com title:Judge, Jury, and Executioner adr;quoted-printable:;;501 East Middlefield Road=0D=0AMS: MV-054;Mountain View;CA;94043; x-mozilla-cpt:;-10552 fn:Steve Mansour end:vcard --------------771BC2432BC928B142B2216F-- _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 20 11:05:26 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA11034 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088C6443CB; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:54:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from cisco.com (nordic.cisco.com [144.254.116.47]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EAF44336 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [135.222.95.169] (ssh-ams1.cisco.com [144.254.74.55]) by cisco.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05564; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:17:01 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: pfaltstr@127.0.0.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AB77183.53C3B387@netscape.com> References: <3AB6D6D4.7AF17EFE@ecal.com> <3AB754BA.880F293C@msdw.com> <3AB77183.53C3B387@netscape.com> To: Steve Mansour From: Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Cc: David Madeo , John Stracke , calsch WG , iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [IPTEL] Re: Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:16:31 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 07.04 -0800 01-03-20, Steve Mansour wrote: >Patrik Fältström wrote: > > > Question: Is not the requirement for O(1) that the interval between >> events have to be longer than the length of the event itself? > >yes, that is the spirit of what we're after. Even durations must be >shorter than the recurrence interval. It turns out that one of the >editor's implementation was driving the need for the 24hr number in >the proposal. So, you are saying that my suggestion to change the 24h limit to instead a comparison between the length of the event and the length of the interval? > > The need for non-overlapping events is the largest requirement for >> O(1) isn't it? > >Overlapping events are common. I think the need is for non-overlapping >recurrences. Of course. My mistake. This was what I wanted to write... paf -- Patrik Fältström Internet Engineering Task Force Area Director, Applications Area http://www.ietf.org Phone: (Stockholm) +46-8-6859131 (San Jose) +1-408-525-8509 PGP: 2DFC AAF6 16F0 F276 7843 2DC1 BC79 51D9 7D25 B8DC _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 20 11:10:45 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA11274 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:10:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D6A443D1; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:54:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from localhost.localdomain (pcp000702pcs.wireless.meeting.ietf.org [135.222.64.202]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8267844336 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ecal.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2KFT5v04966; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:29:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3AB77741.D9E3C548@ecal.com> From: John Stracke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i586) X-Accept-Language: en, de, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: calsch WG Cc: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com References: <3AB6D6D4.7AF17EFE@ecal.com> <3AB754BA.880F293C@msdw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [IPTEL] Re: Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:29:05 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Patrik Fältström wrote: > Question: Is not the requirement for O(1) that the interval between > events have to be longer than the length of the event itself? > > I.e. removing support for sub-24h recurrances seems too arbitrary if > not really needed. We thought about that; but a straightforward limit like this is much easier to explain to a user, and incorporate in a UI. > The need for non-overlapping events is the largest requirement for > O(1) isn't it? Yes. > Because of this I think it should be stated as the main goal for these changes. OK. -- /==============================================================\ |John Stracke | http://www.ecal.com |My opinions are my own.| |Chief Scientist |=============================================| |eCal Corp. |Think of it as evolution in action. | |francis@ecal.com| | \==============================================================/ _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 20 11:16:05 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA11493 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7EB443D7; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:54:15 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from localhost.localdomain (pcp000702pcs.wireless.meeting.ietf.org [135.222.64.202]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7B744398 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ecal.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2KFXLv04991; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:33:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3AB77840.8134F167@ecal.com> From: John Stracke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i586) X-Accept-Language: en, de, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: calsch WG Cc: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com References: <3AB6D6D4.7AF17EFE@ecal.com> <3AB754BA.880F293C@msdw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [IPTEL] Re: Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:33:21 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Madeo wrote: > John Stracke wrote: > > > + The interval between instances must be less than > > 24 hours. > > I'm assuming this is reversed and should be "more". Yes. > Otherwise my > weekly meetings are going to be a bit difficult. > A counter example would be the pill that I have to take every four > hours. Yeah, we thought of that one. The problem is that such usages are really the 5% case; and supporting them complicates the 95% case. Your every-four-hours event could be implemented as six related every-twenty-four-hours events--ugly, but the current recurrence grammar is even uglier. > > o No overlapping instances--can anybody provide a > > plausible scenario where you'd want them? > > Our training dept schedules multiple instances of the "same" class > which sometimes overlap. I could easily be swayed by the argument > that there should be multiple "threads" on a per instructor basis, or > perhaps by room. Yes, that's what we were thinking of. -- /=================================================================\ |John Stracke | http://www.ecal.com |My opinions are my own. | |Chief Scientist |================================================| |eCal Corp. |I'm not imaginary. I'm ontologically challenged.| |francis@ecal.com| | \=================================================================/ _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 20 11:21:25 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA11749 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA147443DC; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:54:18 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from Arista.iris.com (arista.iris.com [198.112.211.42]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E04444366 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:31:12 -0500 (EST) To: Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Cc: David Madeo , John Stracke , calsch WG , iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V60_03012001 March 01, 2001 Message-ID: From: Bruce_Kahn@iris.com X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Arista/Iris(Build V507_02052001 |February 5, 2001) at 03/20/2001 10:33:04 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: [IPTEL] Re: Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:31:33 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id LAA11749 Patrik replied: > Question: Is not the requirement for O(1) that the interval between > events have to be longer than the length of the event itself? > > I.e. removing support for sub-24h recurrances seems too arbitrary if > not really needed. It may be part of the IPTEL but its not part of CALSCH's requirements. I dont see any rationale for this need so Im not sure _why_ it would exist. > >Our training dept schedules multiple instances of the "same" class > >which sometimes overlap. I could easily be swayed by the argument > >that there should be multiple "threads" on a per instructor basis, or > >perhaps by room. Just pointing out one possibility. > > The need for non-overlapping events is the largest requirement for > O(1) isn't it? Perhaps Im just not focused enough on O(1) but I do not see how restricting to non-overlapping entries makes the performace faster. I can understand restricting the use or values in, say, an RRULEs due to potentially heavy roll times. I dont see how overlapping, explicit RDATEs violates or prohibits O(1) so can someone please codify why? Similar example to Daves: A theatre lists a movie once but it may have overlapping show times. It is not that logical to have them PUBLISH movie times based on each individual thatre; its more logical to just list all the showing times for a title. A museum or company that conducts tours may have staggered schedules. Instead of scheduling on a tour guide by tour guide basis, they are scheduling on a tour by tour schedule. Bruce =========================================================================== Bruce Kahn INet: Bruce_Kahn@iris.com Iris Associates Phone: 978.392.5335 Westford, MA, USA 01886 FAX: and nothing but the FAX... Standard disclaimers apply, even where prohibited by law... owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org wrote on 03/20/2001 09:30:32 AM: > At 08.01 -0500 01-03-20, David Madeo wrote: > >John Stracke wrote: > > > >> We talked about the CPL/iCalendar issue at the calsch dinner > >> tonight. The outcome (such as it is): > >> > >> + The interval between instances must be less than > >> 24 hours. > > > >I'm assuming this is reversed and should be "more". Otherwise my > >weekly meetings are going to be a bit difficult. > >A counter example would be the pill that I have to take every four > >hours. > > > > > * Possible impact on existing (or potential) applications: > >> o No overlapping instances--can anybody provide a > >> plausible scenario where you'd want them? > > > >Our training dept schedules multiple instances of the "same" class > >which sometimes overlap. I could easily be swayed by the argument > >that there should be multiple "threads" on a per instructor basis, or > >perhaps by room. Just pointing out one possibility. > > The need for non-overlapping events is the largest requirement for > O(1) isn't it? > > Because of this I think it should be stated as the main goal for > these changes. > > paf > > > -- > Patrik Fältström Internet Engineering Task Force > Area Director, Applications Area http://www.ietf.org > Phone: (Stockholm) +46-8-6859131 (San Jose) +1-408-525-8509 > PGP: 2DFC AAF6 16F0 F276 7843 2DC1 BC79 51D9 7D25 B8DC _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 20 11:56:27 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA13232 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:56:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F0444411; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:34:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from cs.columbia.edu (cs.columbia.edu [128.59.16.20]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE9344403 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:33:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from bart.cs.columbia.edu (bart.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.19.191]) by cs.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12738; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:33:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.columbia.edu (bart.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.19.191]) by bart.cs.columbia.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18066; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:33:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB7B18C.56C0D4CC@cs.columbia.edu> From: Henning Schulzrinne Organization: Columbia University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Cc: John Stracke , calsch WG , iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Subject: Re: [IPTEL] Re: Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar References: <3AB6D6D4.7AF17EFE@ecal.com> <3AB754BA.880F293C@msdw.com> <3AB77741.D9E3C548@ecal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:37:48 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > You are the ones making the decision, but I think you should think > very hard wether you want this kind of limitation (a fixed limit) > when the overlap is the most important thing, and the problem you try > to solve. > > An application can still prohibit the user from entering whatever if > it wants to... I don't think the latter option is viable. If application A allows it, but application B doesn't, then shipping CPL or calsch elements from A to B is going to be very confusing to the user. How would the B user change the interval from 4 to 5 hours? As I said before, the O(1) requirement can be relaxed somewhat if reasonable expansion or translation is possible when the CPL arrives at the server. The question is whether any existing UI support these corner-cases. _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 20 11:59:24 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA13358 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9C0443E7; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:54:26 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from cisco.com (nordic.cisco.com [144.254.116.47]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06228443C9 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [135.222.95.169] (ssh-ams1.cisco.com [144.254.74.55]) by cisco.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11393; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:43:38 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: pfaltstr@127.0.0.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AB77741.D9E3C548@ecal.com> References: <3AB6D6D4.7AF17EFE@ecal.com> <3AB754BA.880F293C@msdw.com> <3AB77741.D9E3C548@ecal.com> To: John Stracke , calsch WG From: Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Cc: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [IPTEL] Re: Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:41:57 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 09.29 -0600 01-03-20, John Stracke wrote: >Patrik Fältström wrote: > >> Question: Is not the requirement for O(1) that the interval between > > events have to be longer than the length of the event itself? > > > > I.e. removing support for sub-24h recurrances seems too arbitrary if > > not really needed. > >We thought about that; but a straightforward limit like this is much easier to >explain to a user, and incorporate in a UI. ...but it means that you can never have recurrance rules which handle the "medication problem"...or a recurrance rule which tells when the busses are leaving for a social event (starting 17:00, every 15 minutes, 5 times). You are the ones making the decision, but I think you should think very hard wether you want this kind of limitation (a fixed limit) when the overlap is the most important thing, and the problem you try to solve. An application can still prohibit the user from entering whatever if it wants to... paf _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 20 12:01:52 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA13506 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B59F443E1; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:54:22 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C875443C8 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from seasnake.red.iplanet.com (seasnake.red.iplanet.com [192.18.124.85]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KFi9927135; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:44:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (sera-nuq-205-217-228-72.mcom.com [205.217.228.72]) by seasnake.red.iplanet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24252187; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:49:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3AB77AA8.33919371@netscape.com> From: Steve Mansour X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Cc: David Madeo , John Stracke , calsch WG , iptel@lists.bell-labs.com References: <3AB6D6D4.7AF17EFE@ecal.com> <3AB754BA.880F293C@msdw.com> <3AB77183.53C3B387@netscape.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------42291FB2DA82C29B839554C6" Subject: [IPTEL] Re: Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:43:36 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------42291FB2DA82C29B839554C6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Patrik Fältström wrote: > At 07.04 -0800 01-03-20, Steve Mansour wrote: > >Patrik Fältström wrote: > > > > > Question: Is not the requirement for O(1) that the interval between > >> events have to be longer than the length of the event itself? > > > >yes, that is the spirit of what we're after. Even durations must be > >shorter than the recurrence interval. It turns out that one of the > >editor's implementation was driving the need for the 24hr number in > >the proposal. > > So, you are saying that my suggestion to change the 24h limit to > instead a comparison between the length of the event and the length > of the interval? > That is what I would prefer. Seems like the right thing to do. I know that there were people who wanted recurrence intervals less than 24 hours when we were writing iCalendar. Seems like it would be a bad move to pull that capability away -- especially if we have no alternative way to describe recurrence intervals less than a day. As far as removing the COUNT, this is bad but I understand their reasoning, and at least there is a way to get pretty much the same functionality using UNTIL. I will be interested to see how the group at large reacts to this proposal. -Steve --------------42291FB2DA82C29B839554C6 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="sman.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Steve Mansour Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="sman.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:Mansour;Steve tel;fax:408-276-4930 tel;work:408-276-4268 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Netscape version:2.1 email;internet:sman@netscape.com title:Judge, Jury, and Executioner adr;quoted-printable:;;501 East Middlefield Road=0D=0AMS: MV-054;Mountain View;CA;94043; x-mozilla-cpt:;-10552 fn:Steve Mansour end:vcard --------------42291FB2DA82C29B839554C6-- _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 20 12:09:25 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA13855 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:09:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE46644435; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:53:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 166F5443FD for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:55:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from seasnake.red.iplanet.com (seasnake.red.iplanet.com [192.18.124.85]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KFtk929009; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (sera-nuq-205-217-228-72.mcom.com [205.217.228.72]) by seasnake.red.iplanet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24117045; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:00:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3AB77D65.B9A4BBA6@netscape.com> From: Steve Mansour X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Stracke Cc: calsch WG , iptel@lists.bell-labs.com References: <3AB6D6D4.7AF17EFE@ecal.com> <3AB754BA.880F293C@msdw.com> <3AB77741.D9E3C548@ecal.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A9E8CE0A501CC4EF7B7E0048" Subject: [IPTEL] Re: Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:55:17 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A9E8CE0A501CC4EF7B7E0048 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John Stracke wrote: > Patrik Fältström wrote: > > > Question: Is not the requirement for O(1) that the interval between > > events have to be longer than the length of the event itself? > > > > I.e. removing support for sub-24h recurrances seems too arbitrary if > > not really needed. > > We thought about that; but a straightforward limit like this is much easier to > explain to a user, and incorporate in a UI. That is true. But a UI of an application can enforce the 24 hr limit without imposing that limit on iCalendar. -Steve --------------A9E8CE0A501CC4EF7B7E0048 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="sman.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Steve Mansour Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="sman.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:Mansour;Steve tel;fax:408-276-4930 tel;work:408-276-4268 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Netscape version:2.1 email;internet:sman@netscape.com title:Judge, Jury, and Executioner adr;quoted-printable:;;501 East Middlefield Road=0D=0AMS: MV-054;Mountain View;CA;94043; x-mozilla-cpt:;-10552 fn:Steve Mansour end:vcard --------------A9E8CE0A501CC4EF7B7E0048-- _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 20 12:13:13 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA14031 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4A44440A; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:16:47 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from redball.dynamicsoft.com (redball.dynamicsoft.com [216.173.40.51]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D9C44416 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from DYN-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com ([216.173.40.50]) by redball.dynamicsoft.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id LAA20380; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by DYN-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:11:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Rosenberg To: "'Bruce_Kahn@iris.com'" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Patri?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?k_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Cc: David Madeo , John Stracke , calsch WG , iptel@lists.bell-labs.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [IPTEL] RE: Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:11:15 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id MAA14031 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce_Kahn@iris.com [mailto:Bruce_Kahn@iris.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:32 AM > To: Patrik Fältström > Cc: David Madeo; John Stracke; calsch WG; iptel@lists.bell-labs.com > Subject: Re: Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar > > > > Patrik replied: > > Question: Is not the requirement for O(1) that the interval between > > events have to be longer than the length of the event itself? > > > > I.e. removing support for sub-24h recurrances seems too arbitrary if > > not really needed. > > It may be part of the IPTEL but its not part of CALSCH's > requirements. I > dont see any rationale for this need so Im not sure _why_ it > would exist. > > > >Our training dept schedules multiple instances of the "same" class > > >which sometimes overlap. I could easily be swayed by the argument > > >that there should be multiple "threads" on a per > instructor basis, or > > >perhaps by room. Just pointing out one possibility. > > > > The need for non-overlapping events is the largest requirement for > > O(1) isn't it? > > Perhaps Im just not focused enough on O(1) but I do not see > how restricting > to non-overlapping entries makes the performace faster. I > can understand > restricting the use or values in, say, an RRULEs due to > potentially heavy > roll times. I dont see how overlapping, explicit RDATEs violates or > prohibits O(1) so can someone please codify why? > > Similar example to Daves: > A theatre lists a movie once but it may have overlapping show > times. It is > not that logical to have them PUBLISH movie times based on > each individual > thatre; its more logical to just list all the showing times > for a title. > A museum or company that conducts tours may have staggered schedules. > Instead of scheduling on a tour guide by tour guide basis, they are > scheduling on a tour by tour schedule. I'll let others comment on the computational implications of overlapping events. Another issue is problem space. For the CPL application, we are interested in mapping people's schedules to call processing rules, i.e., "don't call me when I'm in this meeting". For schedules for people, I don't see how there would ever be overlapping recurring instances. Even if there were, it seems we could handle this like we are handling COUNT, which is to expand them to N sets of non-overlapping recurrences. -Jonathan R. _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 20 12:36:32 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA14929 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:36:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851C84443E; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:53:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8930944391 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from seasnake.red.iplanet.com (seasnake.red.iplanet.com [192.18.124.85]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KG4n900609; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:04:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (sera-nuq-205-217-228-72.mcom.com [205.217.228.72]) by seasnake.red.iplanet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24177504; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:09:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3AB77F83.22ADEA46@netscape.com> From: Steve Mansour X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce_Kahn@iris.com Cc: Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= , David Madeo , John Stracke , calsch WG , iptel@lists.bell-labs.com References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------EA2407A238775198406E1D50" Subject: [IPTEL] Re: Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:04:19 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EA2407A238775198406E1D50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce_Kahn@iris.com wrote: > Patrik replied: > > Question: Is not the requirement for O(1) that the interval between > > events have to be longer than the length of the event itself? > > > > I.e. removing support for sub-24h recurrances seems too arbitrary if > > not really needed. > > It may be part of the IPTEL but its not part of CALSCH's requirements. I > dont see any rationale for this need so Im not sure _why_ it would exist. > > > >Our training dept schedules multiple instances of the "same" class > > >which sometimes overlap. I could easily be swayed by the argument > > >that there should be multiple "threads" on a per instructor basis, or > > >perhaps by room. Just pointing out one possibility. > > > > The need for non-overlapping events is the largest requirement for > > O(1) isn't it? > > Perhaps Im just not focused enough on O(1) but I do not see how restricting > to non-overlapping entries makes the performace faster. I can understand > restricting the use or values in, say, an RRULEs due to potentially heavy > roll times. I dont see how overlapping, explicit RDATEs violates or > prohibits O(1) so can someone please codify why? > > Similar example to Daves: > A theatre lists a movie once but it may have overlapping show times. but they will be in different locations. > It is > not that logical to have them PUBLISH movie times based on each individual > thatre; its more logical to just list all the showing times for a title. I don't know. It doesn't seems more logical to me if I was generating PUBLISH events. How would you list the LOCATIONs ? > A museum or company that conducts tours may have staggered schedules. > Instead of scheduling on a tour guide by tour guide basis, they are > scheduling on a tour by tour schedule. So in other words, the tour is 2 hours, there's two of them every day, they start at 10:00 and 10:30 ? This could be done with two separate recurring meetings as well. May not be as elegant, but then I can't envision the UI that would allow you to create such meetings as a single event. Seems like there is a reasonable workaround for the overlapping recurrences. A clarification stating that recurrence intervals must be greater than the duration of the event seems like it does a lot more good than harm. -Steve --------------EA2407A238775198406E1D50 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="sman.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Steve Mansour Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="sman.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:Mansour;Steve tel;fax:408-276-4930 tel;work:408-276-4268 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Netscape version:2.1 email;internet:sman@netscape.com title:Judge, Jury, and Executioner adr;quoted-printable:;;501 East Middlefield Road=0D=0AMS: MV-054;Mountain View;CA;94043; x-mozilla-cpt:;-10552 fn:Steve Mansour end:vcard --------------EA2407A238775198406E1D50-- _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 20 12:43:34 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA15248 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:43:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956C744443; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:53:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from mauve.mrochek.com (mauve.mrochek.com [209.55.107.55]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB7C44439 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com by mauve.mrochek.com (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01K1ETULRPTS00157Q@mauve.mrochek.com> for iptel@lists.bell-labs.com; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:27:07 -0800 (PST) From: ned.freed@mrochek.com In-reply-to: "Your message dated Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:41:57 -0600" To: Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Cc: John Stracke , calsch WG , iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Message-id: <01K1EW040HFQ00157Q@mauve.mrochek.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <3AB6D6D4.7AF17EFE@ecal.com> <3AB754BA.880F293C@msdw.com> <3AB77741.D9E3C548@ecal.com> <3AB77741.D9E3C548@ecal.com> Subject: [IPTEL] Re: Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:16:52 -0800 (PST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > > > Question: Is not the requirement for O(1) that the interval between > > > events have to be longer than the length of the event itself? > > > I.e. removing support for sub-24h recurrances seems too arbitrary if > > > not really needed. > > We thought about that; but a straightforward limit like this is much easier to > > explain to a user, and incorporate in a UI. I don't agree. Part of explaining a limitation is justifying it. It may be a bit easier to say or imply in a UI that short recurrances aren't allowed, but it is pretty hard to justify. Whereas prohibiting overlap may manifest in a more obvious way but seems a lot more natural. > ...but it means that you can never have recurrance rules which handle > the "medication problem"...or a recurrance rule which tells when the > busses are leaving for a social event (starting 17:00, every 15 > minutes, 5 times). ... or when the tour starts every 15 minutes. ... or when the presentation at the trade show begins 5 minutes after the hour, every hour. ... or when the film loop restarts every hour on the hour. Heck, they make single-hand standup clocks specifically to show this sort of stuff. It is a _common_ schedule for things to have. > You are the ones making the decision, but I think you should think > very hard wether you want this kind of limitation (a fixed limit) > when the overlap is the most important thing, and the problem you try > to solve. I agree. Ned _______________________________________________ IPTEL mailing list IPTEL@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue Mar 20 13:15:32 2001 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id NAA16727 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:15:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EAC544395; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:12:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from cs.columbia.edu (cs.columbia.edu [128.59.16.20]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1064436C for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:11:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from conrail.cs.columbia.edu (conrail.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.19.147]) by cs.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21391; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from lennox@localhost) by conrail.cs.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA72828; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:11:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lennox) From: Jonathan Lennox MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: <15031.40268.310931.789352@conrail.cs.columbia.edu> To: calsch WG , iptel@lists.bell-labs.com In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 19.34.1 Subject: [IPTEL] Re: Current thinking on CPL/iCalendar Sender: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: iptel-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: iptel@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://lists.bell-labs.com/pipermail/iptel/ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:11:24 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id NAA16727 On Tuesday, March 20 2001, "Bruce_Kahn@iris.com" wrote to "Patrik Fältström, David Madeo, John Stracke, calsch WG, iptel@lists.bell-labs.com" saying: > Perhaps Im just not focused enough on O(1) but I do not see how restricting > to non-overlapping entries makes the performace faster. I can understand > restricting the use or values in, say, an RRULEs due to potentially heavy > roll times. I dont see how overlapping, explicit RDATEs violates or > prohibits O(1) so can someone please codify why? They don't. The prohibition is on overlapping recurrences within an RRULE, not on overlapping recurrences within an entire RECUR. (For IPTel folks: this means "the prohibition is on overlapping recurrences within a