From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 01 09:13:34 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhpBm-000763-53; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:13:34 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhpBi-00072e-Gk for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:13:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA24955 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.clb.oleane.net ([213.56.31.25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhpWC-0006ys-6n for iptel@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:34:40 -0500 Received: from Pavillonquatre ([194.3.133.88]) (authenticated) by smtp5.clb.oleane.net with ESMTP id jB1EDEA4007612 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:13:17 +0100 Message-Id: <200512011413.jB1EDEA4007612@smtp5.clb.oleane.net> From: "Chantal Ladouce" To: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:12:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcX2gUxKBk39ek/TSVa135PQUYb3lw== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 093efd19b5f651b2707595638f6c4003 Subject: [Iptel] Wireless/WiFi Convergence Conference - Call for Papers X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1431305701==" Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1431305701== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0131_01C5F689.AE83C1B0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0131_01C5F689.AE83C1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Wireless/WiFi Convergence Conference will be held in Paris on May 16 to May 19, 2006 http://www.upperside.fr/wirelessconvergence2006/wwconvergence2006cfp.htm It is still time to submit proposals. Organizers are looking for UMA papers. ------=_NextPart_000_0131_01C5F689.AE83C1B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The Wireless/WiFi Convergence = Conference will be held in Paris on May 16 to May 19, 2006

 

http://www.upperside.fr/wirelessconvergence2006/wwconvergence200= 6cfp.htm

 

It is still time to submit proposals. = Organizers are looking for UMA papers.

 

------=_NextPart_000_0131_01C5F689.AE83C1B0-- --===============1431305701== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel --===============1431305701==-- From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 01 09:35:01 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhpWX-0004nz-Sg; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:35:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhpWV-0004et-Hh for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:34:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA27560 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from web26703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.176.66]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ehpqx-0007rO-0h for Iptel@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:56:10 -0500 Received: (qmail 30022 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2005 14:34:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0Xng3DMVi1gATWVaZesS/XYGWHQ1nqmTIKcwN1SZmq077zeJbyogAPmA1kbpILWzLYwLcYmwpYjzSU4mY6MPmpS92k2XNCSIyY52ZdoMk5IESsikdlXMAyK+1f5Q8BRplbNB7lQOfxgreyPAz/T0iQhF3x4OIfF0rT8fj0nwDCI= ; Message-ID: <20051201143446.30020.qmail@web26703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [157.159.228.38] by web26703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:34:46 CET Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:34:46 +0100 (CET) From: zaghouani hamdi To: Iptel@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id JAA27560 Cc: Subject: [Iptel] how to add a route header X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org hi, I m using SER server. the architecture : SipPhone -- server_1 --- server2 I want to create a fonction that allow me to add a new header. I want to add a new route header, containing the sip address of server_2, in the message received by server_1 from SipPhone. I write the fonction below and it works(the route header is added to the sip message). to test my sip servers(small network), I m using SipPhone to regester.=20 the problem is that after registering and de-registering many times (random number)the server is shutting down (children process killed). ( for exemple , in the 7th registration the server shut down). I think that the problem is due to this fonction because when I dont put a " Route header" or I use the fonction "append_fh" in ser.cfg file instead of mine to add the header , I dont get this problem. My fonction is : =20 int add_hf(struct sip_msg *msg, char* prefix, char* content, char* suffix) { char* hf; struct lump* anchor; int len =3D strlen(content); if (prefix !=3D NULL) len +=3D strlen(prefix); if (suffix !=3D NULL) len +=3D strlen(suffix); hf =3D (char*)malloc(len * sizeof(char) + 1); =09 if (prefix !=3D NULL) strcat(hf, prefix); strcat(hf, content); if (suffix !=3D NULL) strcat(hf, suffix); hf[len+1] =3D '\0'; =09 parse_headers(msg, HDR_EOH, 0); anchor =3D anchor_lump(msg , msg->headers->name.s - msg->buf, 0, 0); insert_new_lump_before(anchor, hf, len, 0); return 1; } thinks a lot=20 Hamdi =09 =09 =09 _________________________________________________________________________= __=20 Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! 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Gurbani" Organization: Wireless Networks Research and Development User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPTEL WG X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 17bdfcaea25d1444baef0e24abc38874 Cc: Cullen Jennings Subject: [Iptel] Post-nits version of trunk-group submitted X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1742032732==" Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============1742032732== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090005010004080408040103" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090005010004080408040103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks: I have submitted the latest version of trunk-group, following the nits review. I would request the chairs to send this document to the IESG once it becomes available in the archives (I will ping the chairs privately when it is updated in the archives). The changes socialized on the working group list (please see http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/iptel/current/msg00973.html) have been incorporated in the final version. Until it becomes available in the IETF archives, you can get a copy from: http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group-05.txt http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group-05.html Additionally, for those interested in just the changes, a diff-marked copy between -04 and -05 is also available at: http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/tg-04-05-diffmarked.txt This concludes this particular I-D's arduous journey. On behalf of my co-author, I would like to thank all of those who have participated in the discussions as well as those who have helped review it. Thank you. - vijay -- Vijay K. 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Gurbani" Organization: Wireless Networks Research and Development User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPTEL WG X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1924de3f9fb68e58c31920136007eb1 Cc: Cullen Jennings Subject: [Iptel] Revised version of draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg submitted X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0799788417==" Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============0799788417== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010502080203040105050601" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010502080203040105050601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks: I have submitted the latest version of draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg. I will like to request the chairs to determine whether the WG will adopt this work as an agenda item. Three I-Ds in IPTEL depend on the establishment of a tel URI IANA registry -- draft-ietf- iptel-tel-enumdi, draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np and draft-ietf-iptel- trunk-group. Consequently, there may be a normative(?) dependency of these I-Ds as they go forward on this work. Until the draft becomes available in the archives, you can view it at: http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg-01.txt http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg-01.html Thanks, - vijay -- Vijay K. 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Gurbani" Subject: Re: [Iptel] Revised version of draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg submitted References: <43948D4F.9010901@lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <43948D4F.9010901@lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SongbirdInformation: support@songbird.com for more information X-Songbird: Found to be clean X-Songbird-From: richard@shockey.us X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF IPTEL WG , Cullen Jennings X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Vijay K. Gurbani wrote: > Folks: > > I have submitted the latest version of draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg. > > I will like to request the chairs to determine whether the WG > will adopt this work as an agenda item. well lets take a straw poll all in favor .. all opposed the in 'favor' have it .. First lets assume this is a WG item now. Given the level of dependencies here I think we can despense with too much debate and simply A. submit this to the AD's now B or go to WGLC. Three I-Ds in IPTEL depend > on the establishment of a tel URI IANA registry -- draft-ietf- > iptel-tel-enumdi, draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np and draft-ietf-iptel- > trunk-group. Consequently, there may be a normative(?) dependency > of these I-Ds as they go forward on this work. > > Until the draft becomes available in the archives, you can view > it at: > > http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg-01.txt > http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg-01.html > > Thanks, > > - vijay > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Iptel mailing list > Iptel@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Director - Member of Technical Staff NeuStar Inc. 46000 Center Oak Plaza - Sterling, VA 20166 sip:rshockey(at)iptel.org sip:57141(at)fwd.pulver.com ENUM +87810-13313-31331 PSTN Office +1 571.434.5651 PSTN Mobile +1 703.593.2683 Fax: +1 815.333.1237 or ; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 05 16:49:42 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjODO-00053e-7z; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:49:42 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjODN-00053P-4W for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:49:41 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA16920 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ihemail2.lucent.com ([192.11.222.163]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjOYh-0002ul-OF for iptel@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:11:46 -0500 Received: from ihmail.ih.lucent.com (h135-1-218-70.lucent.com [135.1.218.70]) by ihemail2.lucent.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jB5LnR6p025232; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:49:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from [135.185.173.147] (il0015vkg1.ih.lucent.com [135.185.173.147]) by ihmail.ih.lucent.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id jB5LnRR12721; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:49:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4394B5E7.8060304@lucent.com> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:49:27 -0600 From: "Vijay K. Gurbani" Organization: Wireless Networks Research and Development User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Shockey Subject: Re: [Iptel] Revised version of draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg submitted References: <43948D4F.9010901@lucent.com> <4394B1DE.3000303@shockey.us> In-Reply-To: <4394B1DE.3000303@shockey.us> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1e467ff145ef391eb7b594ef62b8301f Cc: IETF IPTEL WG , Cullen Jennings X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0405658664==" Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============0405658664== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020407020806070001070104" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020407020806070001070104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Shockey wrote: > well lets take a straw poll > > all in favor .. > > all opposed > > the in 'favor' have it .. > > First lets assume this is a WG item now. Wow! This is the fastest road to a WG agenda item I've ever had the pleasure of being a part of ;-) > Given the level of dependencies here I think we can despense with too > much debate and simply A. submit this to the AD's now B or go to WGLC. Any is fine with me ... if (A), it can proceed as a independent submission shepherded by the ADs, or if (B), I can re-submit as draft-ietfp-iptel-tel-reg-00. I will note that the draft has normative language, and I am not too sure whether independent submissions can become Proposed standards, or whether a WG needs to officially forward it to IESG for submission as a Proposed standard. Just let me know what to do and I can expeditiously do it... Thanks, - vijay -- Vijay K. 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RAA21560 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from sb7.songbird.com ([208.184.79.137]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjOv1-0004XR-RA for iptel@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:34:49 -0500 Received: from [10.31.13.106] (neustargw.va.neustar.com [209.173.53.233]) (authenticated bits=0) by sb7.songbird.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jB5MD28O032080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:13:03 -0800 Message-ID: <4394BB43.3080100@shockey.us> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:12:19 -0500 From: Richard Shockey User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Vijay K. Gurbani" Subject: Re: [Iptel] Revised version of draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg submitted References: <43948D4F.9010901@lucent.com> <4394B1DE.3000303@shockey.us> <4394B5E7.8060304@lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <4394B5E7.8060304@lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SongbirdInformation: support@songbird.com for more information X-Songbird: Found to be clean X-Songbird-From: richard@shockey.us X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b4a0a5f5992e2a4954405484e7717d8c Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF IPTEL WG , Cullen Jennings X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Vijay K. Gurbani wrote: > Richard Shockey wrote: > >> well lets take a straw poll >> >> all in favor .. >> >> all opposed >> >> the in 'favor' have it .. >> >> First lets assume this is a WG item now. > > > Wow! This is the fastest road to a WG agenda item I've ever had > the pleasure of being a part of ;-) > >> Given the level of dependencies here I think we can despense with too >> much debate and simply A. submit this to the AD's now B or go to WGLC. > > > Any is fine with me ... if (A), it can proceed as a independent > submission shepherded by the ADs, or if (B), I can re-submit as > draft-ietfp-iptel-tel-reg-00. Frankly I dont care which procedure to use but the need for a registry is clear and this document neatly solves the problem. Plus it would be very very helpful to move those other documents along into WGLC at the same time. > > I will note that the draft has normative language, and I am > not too sure whether independent submissions can become Proposed > standards, or whether a WG needs to officially forward it to > IESG for submission as a Proposed standard. > > Just let me know what to do and I can expeditiously do it... Well the WG chairs need to express some preference as to which tactics the prefer to use here but the desire to "get er done" is rather strong. > > Thanks, No ..thank you :-) > > - vijay -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Director - Member of Technical Staff NeuStar Inc. 46000 Center Oak Plaza - Sterling, VA 20166 sip:rshockey(at)iptel.org sip:57141(at)fwd.pulver.com ENUM +87810-13313-31331 PSTN Office +1 571.434.5651 PSTN Mobile +1 703.593.2683 Fax: +1 815.333.1237 or ; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 05 23:47:29 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjUjh-0007Q8-57; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:47:29 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjUje-0007PQ-Rb for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:47:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA02737 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjV52-0001Av-Fc for iptel@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:09:35 -0500 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Dec 2005 20:47:14 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,218,1131350400"; d="scan'208"; a="374380688:sNHT33421356" Received: from vtg-um-e2k4.sj21ad.cisco.com (vtg-um-e2k4.cisco.com [171.70.93.57]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jB64l6pj014780; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:47:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from 10.21.83.244 ([10.21.83.244]) by vtg-um-e2k4.sj21ad.cisco.com ([171.70.93.57]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:47:06 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:27:46 -0800 From: Cullen Jennings To: "Vijay K. Gurbani" , "iptel@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Post-nits version of trunk-group submitted Thread-Index: AcX6HWhApuAFnmYQEdqgngARJEEJ/A== In-Reply-To: <43948BC9.5010908@lucent.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [Iptel] Re: Post-nits version of trunk-group submitted X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org I'm not sure on how we want to do this but ... seems like we would not want an IANA registration in here if we are doing it in the other document. Alternatively, we could have the other document create the registry but not put any values in it then have this document put in it's values. I had originally gone the other way so that this document did not normatively depend on the one that did the IANA registration. I can see either way working but either way, I think we need to change one of the documents. On 12/5/05 10:49 AM, "Vijay K. Gurbani" wrote: > Folks: > > I have submitted the latest version of trunk-group, following the > nits review. > > I would request the chairs to send this document to the IESG > once it becomes available in the archives (I will ping the chairs > privately when it is updated in the archives). > > The changes socialized on the working group list (please > see http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/iptel/current/msg00973.html) > have been incorporated in the final version. > > Until it becomes available in the IETF archives, you can get a copy > from: > > http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group-05.txt > http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group-05.html > > Additionally, for those interested in just the changes, a > diff-marked copy between -04 and -05 is also available at: > > http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/tg-04-05-diffmarked.txt > > This concludes this particular I-D's arduous journey. On behalf of > my co-author, I would like to thank all of those who have > participated in the discussions as well as those who have helped > review it. > > Thank you. > > - vijay _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 05 23:47:29 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjUjh-0007Qo-Kf; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:47:29 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjUjf-0007Pa-PG for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:47:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA02741 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjV54-0001Ay-UR for iptel@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:09:36 -0500 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Dec 2005 20:47:11 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,218,1131350400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="681793505:sNHT2086905650" Received: from vtg-um-e2k4.sj21ad.cisco.com (vtg-um-e2k4.cisco.com [171.70.93.57]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jB64l6ph014780; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:47:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 10.21.83.244 ([10.21.83.244]) by vtg-um-e2k4.sj21ad.cisco.com ([171.70.93.57]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:47:06 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:22:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [Iptel] idnits draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-01 From: Cullen Jennings To: Lawrence Conroy , Stastny Richard , Richard Shockey Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Iptel] idnits draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-01 Thread-Index: AcX6HJ4x3PU9k2YPEdqgngARJEEJ/A== In-Reply-To: <91A6319C-3917-44C7-8451-BF11080356C8@insensate.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 31b28e25e9d13a22020d8b7aedc9832c Cc: "iptel@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0644145305==" Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --===============0644145305== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3216660433_2685787" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3216660433_2685787 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There still does not seem to be a 02 version of this draft in the directory. Sometime soon could you guys resubmit. You might want to make an informative reference to the document with the IANA registrations. On 11/1/05 5:16 PM, "lconroy" wrote: > Hi Cullen, folks, > Well spotted. > Why Internet-drafts ->silently<- dropped the original attempt at -02 > I have no idea. > herewith the new, improved, -02 draft with updated boilerplate. > (from experience, if we submit it as -03, then it will be rejected as > it replaces -01). > > I also include an html file with the -01 to -02 delta from rfcdiff. > > In terms of the review, yes - there is only one real change to the > body text, and that > was to remove a typo (see the delta web page for details). > > BTW, here is the idnits report on the new draft: > ----------------------------------------------- > idnits 1.82 > > tmp/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-02.txt: > > > Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html: > > Checking conformance with RFC 3978/3979 boilerplate... > > the boilerplate looks good. > No nits found. > > Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id- > guidelines.txt: > Nothing found here (but these checks do not cover all of > 1id-guidelines.txt yet). > > Miscellaneous warnings: > None. > > No nits found. > ----------------------------------------------- > > enjoy - this one will go into internet-drafts after IETF shadow. > > all the best, > Lawrence > > > On 29 Oct 2005, at 17:33, Cullen Jennings wrote: >> > Ok, I'm pretty sure I have tracked down what happened to this. The IPR >> > statement is wrong and it was rejected. It looks like it has the >> > 3667 IPR >> > boiler plate and it needs the 3978. Anything submitted after last May >> > without the 3978 has been rejected. >> > >> > Check you xml has ipr="full3978". Run idnits. XML2RFC will generate >> > many >> > things that contain all kinds of problems including lines too wide, >> > invalid >> > characters, and bad IPR. >> > >> > >>> >> From a review point of view, it looks like there is no difference >>> >> from the 01 version to the 02 version that got mailed to the list. >>> >> Is that correct? >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Iptel mailing list > Iptel@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel --B_3216660433_2685787 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [Iptel] idnits draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-01
There still does not seem to be a 02 version of this draft in the directory= . Sometime soon could you guys resubmit. You might want to make an informati= ve reference to the document with the IANA registrations.

On 11/1/05 5:16 PM, "lconroy" <lconroy@insensate.co.uk> wro= te:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:10.0px'>Hi Cullen, folks,
  Well spotted.
Why Internet-drafts ->silently<- dropped the original attempt at -02 =  
I have no idea.
herewith the new, improved, -02 draft with updated boilerplate.
(from experience, if we submit it as -03, then it will be rejected as  = ;
it replaces -01).

I also include an html file with the -01 to -02 delta from rfcdiff.

In terms of the review, yes - there is only one real change to the   body text, and that
was to remove a typo (see the delta web page for details).

BTW, here is the idnits report on the new draft:
-----------------------------------------------
idnits 1.82

tmp/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-02.txt:


   Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html:

     Checking conformance with RFC 3978/3979 boile= rplate...

     the boilerplate looks good.
     No nits found.

   Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-
guidelines.txt:
     Nothing found here (but these checks do not c= over all of
     1id-guidelines.txt yet).

   Miscellaneous warnings:
     None.

     No nits found.
-----------------------------------------------

enjoy - this one will go into internet-drafts after IETF shadow.

all the best,
   Lawrence

On 29 Oct 2005, at 17:33, Cullen Jennings wrote:
> Ok, I'm pretty sure I have tracked down what happened to this. The IPR=
> statement is wrong and it was rejected. It looks like it has the  = ;
> 3667 IPR
> boiler plate and it needs the 3978. Anything submitted after last May<= BR> > without the 3978 has been rejected.
>
> Check you xml has ipr=3D"full3978". Run idnits. XML2RFC will g= enerate  
> many
> things that contain all kinds of problems including lines too wide, &n= bsp;
> invalid
> characters, and bad IPR.
>
>
>> From a review point of view, it looks like there is no difference =  
>> from the 01 version to the 02 version that got mailed to the list.=  
>> Is that correct?
>
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 --B_3216660433_2685787-- --===============0644145305== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel --===============0644145305==-- From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 05 23:47:31 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjUjj-0007SQ-3E; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:47:31 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjUjh-0007Q7-21 for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:47:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA02744 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjV57-0001Ay-34 for iptel@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:09:37 -0500 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Dec 2005 20:47:15 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,218,1131350400"; d="scan'208"; a="681793534:sNHT832333206" Received: from vtg-um-e2k4.sj21ad.cisco.com (vtg-um-e2k4.cisco.com [171.70.93.57]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jB64l6pl014780; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from 10.21.83.244 ([10.21.83.244]) by vtg-um-e2k4.sj21ad.cisco.com ([171.70.93.57]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:47:08 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:38:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [Iptel] Revised version of draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg submitted From: Cullen Jennings To: Richard Shockey , "Vijay K. Gurbani" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Iptel] Revised version of draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg submitted Thread-Index: AcX6HuD0H3zjwmYSEdqgngARJEEJ/A== In-Reply-To: <4394BB43.3080100@shockey.us> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b4a0a5f5992e2a4954405484e7717d8c Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "iptel@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org There has been no comments that said we did not need this draft or comments that we had it all wrong. It is largely a procedural draft to register work we already have in progress. I think I am with Richard here. Let's move this forward as WG draft under the existing milestones. Please resubmit as a WG draft and I will request publication along with the other draft(s). On a side note, it is not clear to me that the other drafts have to normatively depend on this this draft. They could just have no IANA considerations and we make this draft depend on all of them (like it does right now). On 12/5/05 2:12 PM, "Richard Shockey" wrote: > Vijay K. Gurbani wrote: >> Richard Shockey wrote: >> >>> well lets take a straw poll >>> >>> all in favor .. >>> >>> all opposed >>> >>> the in 'favor' have it .. >>> >>> First lets assume this is a WG item now. >> >> >> Wow! This is the fastest road to a WG agenda item I've ever had >> the pleasure of being a part of ;-) >> >>> Given the level of dependencies here I think we can despense with too >>> much debate and simply A. submit this to the AD's now B or go to WGLC. >> >> >> Any is fine with me ... if (A), it can proceed as a independent >> submission shepherded by the ADs, or if (B), I can re-submit as >> draft-ietfp-iptel-tel-reg-00. > > Frankly I dont care which procedure to use but the need for a registry > is clear and this document neatly solves the problem. > > Plus it would be very very helpful to move those other documents along > into WGLC at the same time. > >> >> I will note that the draft has normative language, and I am >> not too sure whether independent submissions can become Proposed >> standards, or whether a WG needs to officially forward it to >> IESG for submission as a Proposed standard. >> >> Just let me know what to do and I can expeditiously do it... > > Well the WG chairs need to express some preference as to which tactics > the prefer to use here but the desire to "get er done" is rather strong. > >> >> Thanks, > > No ..thank you :-) > >> >> - vijay > _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 05 23:47:32 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjUjk-0007Tt-SC; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:47:32 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjUjk-0007TP-0B for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:47:32 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA02747 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:46:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjV59-0001B2-Ub for iptel@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:09:41 -0500 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Dec 2005 20:47:22 -0800 Received: from vtg-um-e2k4.sj21ad.cisco.com (vtg-um-e2k4.cisco.com [171.70.93.57]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jB64l6pr014780; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:47:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from 10.21.83.244 ([10.21.83.244]) by vtg-um-e2k4.sj21ad.cisco.com ([171.70.93.57]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:47:09 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:46:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [Iptel] Sending draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np to IESG From: Cullen Jennings To: Richard Shockey Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Iptel] Sending draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np to IESG Thread-Index: AcX6IAY1RLggRGYTEdqgngARJEEJ/A== In-Reply-To: <4363D877.8080401@shockey.us> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "iptel@ietf.org" , Alexander Mayrhofer , James Yu X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I hoping that someone can do a NITS review of this draft and send James comments so he can resubmit a version I can request publication on. Thanks, Cullen On 10/29/05 1:15 PM, "Richard Shockey" wrote: > Cullen Jennings wrote: >> I reviewed this and would like one other person to do a careful NITS review >> of of draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np-07 and send any typos to James and list. Can >> someone please volunteer for this. > > Sure .. I'll ask Alex Mayrhofer to take a look at it ASAP he's now ENUM > WG Secretary and Patrik and I are having him run the NITS review on all > our documents. > >> >> Once James submits a new version I plan to submit this to IESG the day it >> gets in the drafts directory which could be as early as Nov 7. This was >> already WGLC and the comments from WGLC were incorporated. >> >> Cullen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Iptel mailing list >> Iptel@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel >> > _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 06 05:30:43 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eja5r-0001ln-OW; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 05:30:43 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eja5p-0001le-RE for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 05:30:41 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA04984 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 05:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 213-152-49-123.dsl.eclipse.net.uk ([213.152.49.123] helo=norman.insensate.co.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjaRH-00030Q-4L for iptel@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 05:52:53 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by norman.insensate.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C424760AA; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:30:07 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: lconroy Subject: Re: [Iptel] Revised version of draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg submitted Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:30:06 +0000 To: Cullen Jennings , "Vijay K. Gurbani" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: iptel@ietf.org, Richard Shockey X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Hi Folks, me too :) Can I ASSUME that there will be a draft-iptel-tel-reg-00.txt out there RSN? Also, can I ASSUME that it will be as -jennings-tel-reg (i.e. include the IANA Registrations in itself)? Personally, I'd like that. I think that means we can include a 1 line IANA Considerations section with an informative ref. to this putative WG draft inside the -02 of enumdi - will this work? all the best, Lawrence On 6 Dec 2005, at 04:38, Cullen Jennings wrote: > There has been no comments that said we did not need this draft or > comments > that we had it all wrong. It is largely a procedural draft to > register work > we already have in progress. I think I am with Richard here. Let's > move this > forward as WG draft under the existing milestones. Please resubmit > as a WG > draft and I will request publication along with the other draft(s). > > On a side note, it is not clear to me that the other drafts have to > normatively depend on this this draft. They could just have no IANA > considerations and we make this draft depend on all of them (like > it does > right now). > > On 12/5/05 2:12 PM, "Richard Shockey" wrote: >> Vijay K. Gurbani wrote: >>> Richard Shockey wrote: >>>> well lets take a straw poll >>>> all in favor .. >>>> >>>> all opposed >>>> >>>> the in 'favor' have it .. >>>> First lets assume this is a WG item now. >>> Wow! This is the fastest road to a WG agenda item I've ever had >>> the pleasure of being a part of ;-) _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 06 05:35:20 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjaAK-0002xe-8V; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 05:35:20 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjaAJ-0002xE-F7 for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 05:35:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA05557 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 05:34:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from 213-152-49-123.dsl.eclipse.net.uk ([213.152.49.123] helo=norman.insensate.co.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjaVn-0003GT-Er for iptel@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 05:57:31 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by norman.insensate.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAD4760B4; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:35:09 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6BB94D63-F1F9-4455-9E5E-8C2DCBA4D846@insensate.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: lconroy Subject: Re: [Iptel] Revised version of draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg submitted Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:35:08 +0000 To: Cullen Jennings , "Vijay K. Gurbani" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: iptel@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Hi again folks, I of course was asking for a draft-ietf-iptel-tel-reg-00.txt. On 6 Dec 2005, at 10:30, lconroy wrote: > > Can I ASSUME that there will be a draft-iptel-tel-reg-00.txt out > there RSN? _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 06 06:23:44 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjavA-0001zZ-86; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 06:23:44 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ejav8-0001ym-Dc for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 06:23:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA13187 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 06:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.oefeg.at ([62.47.121.5]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjbGb-0005dk-Cy for iptel@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 06:45:54 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Iptel] Revised version of draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg submitted Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:27:14 +0100 Message-ID: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D461B227F@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> Thread-Topic: [Iptel] Revised version of draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg submitted Thread-Index: AcX6UXrJ4Wi/iLBQRZO/dTAz8ad/swABn7xQ From: "Stastny Richard" To: "lconroy" , "Cullen Jennings" , "Vijay K. Gurbani" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: iptel@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Me too Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: iptel-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:iptel-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > lconroy > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:35 AM > To: Cullen Jennings; Vijay K. Gurbani > Cc: iptel@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Iptel] Revised version of draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg > submitted >=20 > Hi again folks, > I of course was asking for a draft-ietf-iptel-tel-reg-00.txt. >=20 > On 6 Dec 2005, at 10:30, lconroy wrote: > > > > Can I ASSUME that there will be a draft-iptel-tel-reg-00.txt out > > there RSN? > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Iptel mailing list > Iptel@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 06 08:04:28 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjcUe-0005iw-P9; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:04:28 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjcUd-0005gw-GD for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:04:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA25126 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [193.80.224.123] (helo=kahua.nona.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejcq7-0000rm-5B for iptel@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:26:40 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (na.nona.net [::ffff:193.80.224.124]) (AUTH: PLAIN axelm, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by pahula with esmtp; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:04:12 +0100 id 0006836B.43958C4C.00000F79 Message-ID: <43958C2B.6040809@enum.at> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:03:39 +0100 From: Alexander Mayrhofer Organization: enum.at GmbH User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cullen Jennings Subject: Re: [Iptel] Sending draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np to IESG References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "iptel@ietf.org" , James Yu , Richard Shockey X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Cullen Jennings wrote: > Hi all, > > I hoping that someone can do a NITS review of this draft and send James > comments so he can resubmit a version I can request publication on. I'm going to review this. I'll try to do it by tomorrow, but i'm a bit "disconnected" here at the ITU ;) cheers alex _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 06 10:15:34 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjeXW-0003PF-Al; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:15:34 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjeXT-0003Of-ET for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:15:32 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11554 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ihemail2.lucent.com ([192.11.222.163]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejesy-0005az-6y for iptel@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:37:45 -0500 Received: from ihmail.ih.lucent.com (h135-1-218-70.lucent.com [135.1.218.70]) by ihemail2.lucent.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jB6FFFxb024801; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:15:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from [135.185.173.147] (il0015vkg1.ih.lucent.com [135.185.173.147]) by ihmail.ih.lucent.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id jB6FFER15713; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:15:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4395AB02.50806@lucent.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:15:14 -0600 From: "Vijay K. Gurbani" Organization: Wireless Networks Research and Development User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cullen Jennings Subject: Re: [Iptel] Re: Post-nits version of trunk-group submitted References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8a85b14f27c9dcbe0719e27d46abc1f8 Cc: "iptel@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0394500241==" Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============0394500241== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010701070401050403050107" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010701070401050403050107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cullen Jennings wrote: > I'm not sure on how we want to do this but ... seems like we would not want > an IANA registration in here if we are doing it in the other document. > Alternatively, we could have the other document create the registry but not > put any values in it then have this document put in it's values. I had > originally gone the other way so that this document did not normatively > depend on the one that did the IANA registration. I can see either way > working but either way, I think we need to change one of the documents. Cullen, all: In the spirit of least resistance, I will stick with what Cullen had in mind originally; i.e., the IANA registration for trunk-group, tel-enumdi, and tel-np (and rfc3966) will be done in tel-reg. I will put an empty IANA registration in trunk-group and resubmit. As an FYI, of the remaining two I-Ds, tel-np does not have any IANA Consideration sections (a nit) and tel-enumdi has an empty one. Thanks, - vijay -- Vijay K. 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Gurbani" Organization: Wireless Networks Research and Development User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cullen Jennings Subject: Re: [Iptel] Revised version of draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg submitted References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1924de3f9fb68e58c31920136007eb1 Cc: "iptel@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0878635626==" Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============0878635626== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030502050305090802000404" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030502050305090802000404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cullen Jennings wrote: > There has been no comments that said we did not need this draft or > comments that we had it all wrong. It is largely a procedural draft > to register work we already have in progress. I think I am with > Richard here. Let's move this forward as WG draft under the existing > milestones. Please resubmit as a WG draft and I will request > publication along with the other draft(s). OK, will do. > On a side note, it is not clear to me that the other drafts have to > normatively depend on this this draft. They could just have no IANA > considerations and we make this draft depend on all of them (like it > does right now). OK (see previous email on trunk-group thread). Thanks, - vijay -- Vijay K. 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KAA16270 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from sb7.songbird.com ([208.184.79.137]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjfVS-00071g-TA for iptel@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:17:32 -0500 Received: from [68.165.240.35] (h-68-165-240-35.mclnva23.covad.net [68.165.240.35]) (authenticated bits=0) by sb7.songbird.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jB6FtLVP007746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:55:27 -0800 Message-ID: <4395B445.3000504@shockey.us> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:54:45 -0500 From: Richard Shockey User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lconroy Subject: Re: [Iptel] Revised version of draft-jennings-iptel-tel-reg submitted References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SongbirdInformation: support@songbird.com for more information X-Songbird: Found to be clean X-Songbird-From: richard@shockey.us X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Cullen Jennings , iptel@ietf.org, "Vijay K. Gurbani" X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org lconroy wrote: > Hi Folks, > me too :) > > Can I ASSUME that there will be a draft-iptel-tel-reg-00.txt out there > RSN? Yes .. and everyting can go to WGLC > > Also, can I ASSUME that it will be as -jennings-tel-reg (i.e. include the > IANA Registrations in itself)? Personally, I'd like that. > > I think that means we can include a 1 line IANA Considerations section > with an informative ref. to this putative WG draft inside the -02 of > enumdi - will this work? Yes .. and resubmit ASAP > > all the best, > Lawrence > -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Director - Member of Technical Staff NeuStar Inc. 46000 Center Oak Plaza - Sterling, VA 20166 sip:rshockey(at)iptel.org sip:57141(at)fwd.pulver.com ENUM +87810-13313-31331 PSTN Office +1 571.434.5651 PSTN Mobile +1 703.593.2683 Fax: +1 815.333.1237 or ; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 07 10:38:37 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ek1NN-0000js-D2; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:38:37 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ek1NM-0000jn-Og for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:38:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA21087 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ihemail2.lucent.com ([192.11.222.163]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek1j4-0004JU-AY for iptel@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:01:03 -0500 Received: from ihmail.ih.lucent.com (h135-1-218-70.lucent.com [135.1.218.70]) by ihemail2.lucent.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jB7FcOJa012153; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:38:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from [135.185.173.147] (il0015vkg1.ih.lucent.com [135.185.173.147]) by ihmail.ih.lucent.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id jB7FcOd17152; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:38:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <439701F0.6060105@lucent.com> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:38:24 -0600 From: "Vijay K. Gurbani" Organization: Wireless Networks Research and Development User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPTEL WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Cullen Jennings Subject: [Iptel] draft-ietf-iptel-tel-reg-00 submitted X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Folks: I have submitted draft-ietf-iptel-tel-reg-00. Until it becomes available in the archives, you can get it from http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-reg-00.txt http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-reg-00.html Thanks. - vijay -- Vijay K. Gurbani vkg@{lucent.com,research.bell-labs.com,acm.org} Lucent Technologies/Bell Laboratories, 2000 Lucent Lane, Rm 6G-440 Naperville, Illinois 60566 Voice: +1 630 224 0216 _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 07 10:41:27 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ek1Q7-0001CM-1m; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:41:27 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ek1Q4-0001B1-Q8 for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:41:25 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA21395 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ihemail2.lucent.com ([192.11.222.163]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek1lm-0004PO-Ps for iptel@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:03:52 -0500 Received: from ihmail.ih.lucent.com (h135-1-218-70.lucent.com [135.1.218.70]) by ihemail2.lucent.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jB7FfDbR014181; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:41:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from [135.185.173.147] (il0015vkg1.ih.lucent.com [135.185.173.147]) by ihmail.ih.lucent.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id jB7FfDd19736; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:41:13 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43970299.7040609@lucent.com> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:41:13 -0600 From: "Vijay K. Gurbani" Organization: Wireless Networks Research and Development User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPTEL WG X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1924de3f9fb68e58c31920136007eb1 Cc: Cullen Jennings Subject: [Iptel] draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group-06 submitted X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1909040878==" Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============1909040878== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010904090404040000040007" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010904090404040000040007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks: I have submitted draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group-06. Until it is available in the archives, you can get a copy from: http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group-06.txt http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group-06.html The only change from -05 is the removal of matter in the "IANA consideration" section. It now simply reads: This specification requires no IANA actions beyond those specified in [7]. I understand that something along these lines are what the other authors of the I-Ds (enumdi and tel-np) are going to use. Thanks, - vijay -- Vijay K. 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 hi,

please, how can I add a "hdr_= field" in "sip_msg" structure ?.(I want to add a  "path" header).
what I did : I added the field in "sip_msg" structure and I comp= iled the SER server with "make all" and I run it.  when I try to r= egister with a SIP client , the server shutdown.

thinks a lot<= br>
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=20 T=E9l=E9chargez le ici !=20 =20 --0-674926603-1134056769=:14549-- --===============1557774829== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel --===============1557774829==-- From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 08 11:05:23 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkOGp-0007j5-09; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:05:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkOGg-0007iF-Sl for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:05:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA03336 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com ([192.11.222.161]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkOGV-0005yM-KY for iptel@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:05:06 -0500 Received: from ihmail.ih.lucent.com (h135-1-218-70.lucent.com [135.1.218.70]) by ihemail1.lucent.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jB8G4YCl006662; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:04:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from [135.185.173.147] (il0015vkg1.ih.lucent.com [135.185.173.147]) by ihmail.ih.lucent.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id jB8G4XJ14685; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:04:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43985991.2090005@lucent.com> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:04:33 -0600 From: "Vijay K. Gurbani" Organization: Wireless Networks Research and Development User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPTEL WG Subject: Re: [Iptel] Sending draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np to IESG References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ce732c7d36989a1bd55104ba259c40a1 Cc: Cullen Jennings , james.yu@neustar.biz X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2140014295==" Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============2140014295== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010101000103090603090709" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010101000103090603090709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cullen Jennings wrote: > Hi all, > > I hoping that someone can do a NITS review of this draft and send James > comments so he can resubmit a version I can request publication on. I know Alex graciously volunteered for this, but I was also able to find some time to do a nits review of tel-np. Hopefully, along with Alex's, this'll help the author as well. Overall, the document is well written and easy to read. The nits I found are listed below. 0) At various point in the document, a SHALL strength is used where (to me) a MUST strength is applicable (like adding the "npdi" parameter, removing the "cic" and so on). Is it intentional that SHALL has been used and not MUST? It could be that I am missing some history on this, since I have not tracked the draft from inception; and if so, please disregard this comment. 1) Since the I-D is > 10 pages long, I think a ToC is a good idea. 2) In preparation for IESG LC, take out "This work is being discussed on the iptel@ietf.org mailing list." 3) Since RFC3966 extols implementations to order parameters by lexicographical ordering, certain examples in Section 6 should be redone to have the ";npdi" parameter appear before the ";rn" parameter. 4) An "IANA Consideration" section should be added referring simply to draft-ietf-iptel-tel-reg-00. Thank you. - vijay -- Vijay K. 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zcars04f.nortelnetworks.com ([47.129.242.57]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkOV5-0006Rw-6B for iptel@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:20:09 -0500 Received: from zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com (zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.140.202.51]) by zcars04f.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id jB8GJmu02450; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from zcarhxs1.corp.nortel.com ([47.129.230.89]) by zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:19:12 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([47.130.16.237] RDNS failed) by zcarhxs1.corp.nortel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:19:11 -0500 Message-ID: <43985CFA.2090300@nortel.com> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:19:06 -0500 From: "Tom-PT Taylor" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Vijay K. Gurbani" Subject: Re: [Iptel] Sending draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np to IESG References: <43985991.2090005@lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <43985991.2090005@lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2005 16:19:11.0576 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FAA4D80:01C5FC13] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF IPTEL WG , Cullen Jennings , james.yu@neustar.biz X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org RFC 2119 makes MUST and SHALL equivalent. Vijay K. Gurbani wrote: > Cullen Jennings wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I hoping that someone can do a NITS review of this draft and send James >> comments so he can resubmit a version I can request publication on. > > > I know Alex graciously volunteered for this, but I was also able > to find some time to do a nits review of tel-np. Hopefully, along > with Alex's, this'll help the author as well. > > Overall, the document is well written and easy to read. The nits > I found are listed below. > > 0) At various point in the document, a SHALL strength is used > where (to me) a MUST strength is applicable (like adding the > "npdi" parameter, removing the "cic" and so on). Is it > intentional that SHALL has been used and not MUST? It could > be that I am missing some history on this, since I have not > tracked the draft from inception; and if so, please disregard > this comment. ... _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 08 11:36:57 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkOlM-0008JT-Vq; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:36:57 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkOlJ-0008Bu-3m for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:36:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA06690 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ihemail2.lucent.com ([192.11.222.163]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkOlF-00072r-SB for iptel@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:36:51 -0500 Received: from ihmail.ih.lucent.com (h135-1-218-70.lucent.com [135.1.218.70]) by ihemail2.lucent.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jB8GaYgY021554; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:36:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from [135.185.173.147] (il0015vkg1.ih.lucent.com [135.185.173.147]) by ihmail.ih.lucent.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id jB8GaYJ12784; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:36:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43986112.6010604@lucent.com> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:36:34 -0600 From: "Vijay K. Gurbani" Organization: Wireless Networks Research and Development User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom-PT Taylor Subject: Re: [Iptel] Sending draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np to IESG References: <43985991.2090005@lucent.com> <43985CFA.2090300@nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <43985CFA.2090300@nortel.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f884eb1d4ec5a230688d7edc526ea665 Cc: IETF IPTEL WG X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0054092883==" Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============0054092883== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030508070306040100040704" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030508070306040100040704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom-PT Taylor wrote: > RFC 2119 makes MUST and SHALL equivalent. So it does ... however, to the uninitiated reader of the specification, having a MUST somehow seems more authoritative than having a SHALL (I had to look up rfc2119, and I am a wee bit initiated in the ways of the IETF ...) I'll leave it up to the author to decide what to do. Thanks, - vijay -- Vijay K. 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This draft is a work item of the IP Telephony Working Group of the IETF. Title : Representing trunk groups in tel/sip Uniform Resource Identifiers (URIs) Author(s) : C. Jennings, V. Gurbani Filename : draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group-05.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2005-12-8 This document describes a standardized mechanism to convey trunk group-related information in sip and tel Uniform Resource Identifiers (URIs). An extension to the "tel" URI is defined for this purpose. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group-05.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2005-12-8113545.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group-05.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group-05.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2005-12-8113545.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel --NextPart-- From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 09 04:45:01 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkeoG-00059l-RA; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 04:45:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkeoF-00058l-4S for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 04:44:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA08653 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 04:43:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [193.80.224.123] (helo=kahua.nona.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkeoH-0004R0-W1 for iptel@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 04:45:02 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (na.nona.net [::ffff:193.80.224.124]) (AUTH: PLAIN axelm, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by pahula with esmtp; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:44:25 +0100 id 000682DE.439951FB.000046B5 Message-ID: <439951D9.5030005@enum.at> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:43:53 +0100 From: Alexander Mayrhofer Organization: enum.at GmbH User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "iptel@ietf.org" , James Yu Subject: Re: [Iptel] Sending draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np to IESG References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6640e3bbe8a4d70c4469bcdcbbf0921d Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Cullen Jennings , Richard Shockey X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Cullen Jennings wrote: > I hoping that someone can do a NITS review of this draft and send James > comments so he can resubmit a version I can request publication on. Hi, I've completed my review, here are my comments - disclaimer: I've not read any discussion about this draft, so if i'm repeating something that has already been addressed please excuse my ignorance. Summary: I think that technically this is pretty mature, however, certain parts of the text should be improved for clarity and brevity. Here we go: - The online ID-NITS checker reports that there is an issue with the IPR boilerplate. I've not investigated this in more detail. Additionally, it reports the missing IANA section. Here is the raw output: ---- idnits 1.74 iptel/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np-07.txt: Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html: * The document seems to lack an IANA Considerations section. Checking conformance with RFC 3978/3979 boilerplate... * The document seems to lack an RFC 3978 Section 5.1 IPR Disclosure Acknowledgement -- however, there's a paragraph with a matching beginning. Boilerplate error? Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.txt: Nothing found here (but these checks do not cover all of 1id-guidelines.txt yet). Miscellaneous warnings: None. Summary: 2 nits, 0 warnings Run idnits with the --verbose option for more detailed information. ---- - Title: I'm not really happy with the word "new" in the title. The RFC would still be named like that in 20 years (when, hoepfully, those parameters will no be new anymore at all) - my recommendation is to simply remove the word from the title, or even change the title to 'Number Portability Parameters for the "tel" URI' - Abstract: same issue with "new". Could be left out here as well. My feeling is that the abstract is a pretty long sentence. Probably it should be split after "... related information", and continue with "This information could...". As i'm not a native speaker, i'm unsure here, however. comments appreciated - Abstract, sentence mentioning the mailing list: This should be removed prior publication (or the RFC editors should be instructed to do so). - I'm missing a ToC - 2. Introduction: First para: Personally, i'd remove the word "the" in front of "telephony subscribers". "800 numbers in the North America" should be changed to "numbers within the 800 area code in the North American Numbering Plan". Generally, i don't think the sentence "The NP implementations in many countries..." is neccessary here, because it does not provide any additional information relevant for the protocol described (and readers can be expected to be familiar with ranges that support NP, anyways). Second/Third para: [disclaimer: I know close to nothing about SS7 etc.] Is this really specific to geographic numbers? In all countries? I think that this should be generalized. Also, are numbers really "located" at a carrier? I think that they are "serviced" or "initially allocated". I'm sure that other members of the group could provide more precise terms for this. 4th para: Is this specific to "freephone" only? Again, in which countries? Rephrasing this to "... identifies the current carrier of the respective phone number" (in what network? ahhh...). Does the second sentence also refer to free phone numbers? Personally, i'd reduce the introduction to a few sentences which explain what the parameters to be introduced are - the NP mechanics should already be explained in RFC3482 to which you are refering anyways. The last few sentences of the the introduction would become redundant if you'd introduce a more formal ToC. - I like the "abbreviations" section. It gives a good overview. However, you can safely remove "IETF" and "IP" from the lists as those two are considered well known abbreviations within the IETF, and don't need to be spelled out. - Formal syntax: The ABNF and the description what goes into the URI are a bit inconsistent. First, the "phonedigit" definition is never used (all relevant parameters contain "phonedigit-hex"), so it could be safely removed. Additionally, i don't understand why you have the following definitions there, since they just "rename" other definitions: rn, npdi, cic. What is the reason for introducing 2 names for those definitions? You should state which part of the "tel" URI definition is to be extended by those parameters (that would be the "par" definition in RFC3966, afais). The ABNF validator at http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/abnf.cgi suggests a few changes with regards to normalization, btw. - Section 5: Again, i'm not happy with the specifics regarding "freephone" and "geographic" number ranges. I'm sure that i don't have enough insight into number portability, but i suspect that those parameters might be useful in other scenarios as well (like mobile number portability). You are basically excluding such scenarios. I'd like to see comments from number portability gurus _outside_ the NANP here - they are for sure more competent in reviewing this than i am. - Section "5.2" - you are refering to section "5.3.4" which does not exist in the document. That should probably be "5.2.4". - Section 6, example "A": "service provide with" should be corrected to "service provider with" - Section 6, example "B": That should read "service providers" instead of "service provider's". - Section 6, example "G": "If the valid" should be "If valid" - generally, my impression is that there are a few "the"s in the example section where i would not expect them ('... value of the "rn" of "cic" ...') - again, i'm not a native speaker. - IANA section: Please include one, probably with "there are no considerations for IANA" with an explaination to the RFC editors that those parameters are already included in the upcoming tel URI parameter registry document. hope that helps cheers alex _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 09 15:50:32 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkpCK-0004o1-Do; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:50:32 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkpBt-0004h6-8t; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:50:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA28508; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [132.151.6.50] (helo=newodin.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkpC6-0002Vy-Lk; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:50:19 -0500 Received: from mlee by newodin.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkpBp-0006TN-RM; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:50:01 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:50:01 -0500 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b7b9551d71acde901886cc48bfc088a6 Cc: iptel@ietf.org Subject: [Iptel] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group-06.txt X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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James, any idea when we could have a rev that addressed these and Vijay's comments? I would really really like to have this sent to the AD before the holidays. Thanks, Cullen. PS - I agree that SHALL or MUST is left to your discretion - I'm happy either way. I will note that the MAY/SHOULD/MUST are used the most and many people seem more familiar with those. On 12/9/05 1:43 AM, "Alexander Mayrhofer" wrote: > Cullen Jennings wrote: > >> I hoping that someone can do a NITS review of this draft and send James >> comments so he can resubmit a version I can request publication on. > > Hi, > > I've completed my review, here are my comments - disclaimer: I've not read > any discussion about this draft, so if i'm repeating something that has > already been addressed please excuse my ignorance. > > Summary: I think that technically this is pretty mature, however, certain > parts of the text should be improved for clarity and brevity. Here we go: > > - The online ID-NITS checker reports that there is an issue with the IPR > boilerplate. I've not investigated this in more detail. Additionally, it > reports the missing IANA section. Here is the raw output: > > ---- > idnits 1.74 > > iptel/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np-07.txt: > > > Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html: > * The document seems to lack an IANA Considerations section. > Checking conformance with RFC 3978/3979 boilerplate... > * The document seems to lack an RFC 3978 Section 5.1 IPR Disclosure > Acknowledgement -- however, there's a paragraph with a matching > beginning. Boilerplate error? > > Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.txt: > Nothing found here (but these checks do not cover all of > 1id-guidelines.txt yet). > > Miscellaneous warnings: > None. > > Summary: 2 nits, 0 warnings > > Run idnits with the --verbose option for more detailed information. > ---- > > - Title: I'm not really happy with the word "new" in the title. The RFC > would still be named like that in 20 years (when, hoepfully, those parameters > will no be new anymore at all) - my recommendation is to simply remove the > word from the title, or even change the title to 'Number Portability > Parameters for the "tel" URI' > > - Abstract: same issue with "new". Could be left out here as well. My > feeling is that the abstract is a pretty long sentence. Probably it should > be split after "... related information", and continue with "This > information could...". As i'm not a native speaker, i'm unsure here, > however. comments appreciated > > - Abstract, sentence mentioning the mailing list: This should be removed > prior publication (or the RFC editors should be instructed to do so). > > - I'm missing a ToC > > - 2. Introduction: > > First para: Personally, i'd remove the word "the" in front of "telephony > subscribers". "800 numbers in the North America" should be changed to > "numbers within the 800 area code in the North American Numbering Plan". > Generally, i don't think the sentence "The NP implementations in many > countries..." is neccessary here, because it does not provide any additional > information relevant for the protocol described (and readers can be expected > to be familiar with ranges that support NP, anyways). > > Second/Third para: [disclaimer: I know close to nothing about SS7 etc.] Is > this really specific to geographic numbers? In all countries? I think that > this should be generalized. Also, are numbers really "located" at a carrier? > I think that they are "serviced" or "initially allocated". I'm sure that > other members of the group could provide more precise terms for this. > > 4th para: Is this specific to "freephone" only? Again, in which countries? > Rephrasing this to "... identifies the current carrier of the respective > phone number" (in what network? ahhh...). Does the second sentence also > refer to free phone numbers? > > Personally, i'd reduce the introduction to a few sentences which explain > what the parameters to be introduced are - the NP mechanics should already > be explained in RFC3482 to which you are refering anyways. > > The last few sentences of the the introduction would become redundant if > you'd introduce a more formal ToC. > > - I like the "abbreviations" section. It gives a good overview. However, you > can safely remove "IETF" and "IP" from the lists as those two are considered > well known abbreviations within the IETF, and don't need to be spelled out. > > - Formal syntax: The ABNF and the description what goes into the URI are a > bit inconsistent. First, the "phonedigit" definition is never used (all > relevant parameters contain "phonedigit-hex"), so it could be safely > removed. Additionally, i don't understand why you have the following > definitions there, since they just "rename" other definitions: rn, npdi, > cic. What is the reason for introducing 2 names for those definitions? > > You should state which part of the "tel" URI definition is to be extended by > those parameters (that would be the "par" definition in RFC3966, afais). > > The ABNF validator at http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/abnf.cgi suggests a few > changes with regards to normalization, btw. > > - Section 5: Again, i'm not happy with the specifics regarding "freephone" > and "geographic" number ranges. I'm sure that i don't have enough insight > into number portability, but i suspect that those parameters might be useful > in other scenarios as well (like mobile number portability). You are > basically excluding such scenarios. > > I'd like to see comments from number portability gurus _outside_ the NANP > here - they are for sure more competent in reviewing this than i am. > > - Section "5.2" - you are refering to section "5.3.4" which does not exist > in the document. That should probably be "5.2.4". > > - Section 6, example "A": "service provide with" should be corrected to > "service provider with" > - Section 6, example "B": That should read "service providers" instead of > "service provider's". > - Section 6, example "G": "If the valid" should be "If valid" - generally, > my impression is that there are a few "the"s in the example section where i > would not expect them ('... value of the "rn" of "cic" ...') - again, i'm > not a native speaker. > > - IANA section: Please include one, probably with "there are no > considerations for IANA" with an explaination to the RFC editors that those > parameters are already included in the upcoming tel URI parameter registry > document. > > hope that helps > > cheers > > alex _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 13 23:36:40 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmONc-0007B0-FL; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:36:40 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmONb-0007Av-BF for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:36:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA22612 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmOOi-0003KE-PF for iptel@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:37:50 -0500 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2005 20:36:29 -0800 Received: from vtg-um-e2k4.sj21ad.cisco.com (vtg-um-e2k4.cisco.com [171.70.93.57]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jBE4aOpf012768; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:36:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from 10.21.96.130 ([10.21.96.130]) by vtg-um-e2k4.sj21ad.cisco.com ([171.70.93.57]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:36:24 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:26:35 -0800 From: Cullen Jennings To: Richard Shockey , Stastny Richard , Lawrence Conroy Message-ID: Thread-Topic: iptel-tel-enumdi-02, one more try Thread-Index: AcYAXi94bh5KnWxREdq0TwARJEEJ/A== In-Reply-To: <436A0994.402@enum.at> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6cca30437e2d04f45110f2ff8dc1b1d5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "iptel@ietf.org" Subject: [Iptel] iptel-tel-enumdi-02, one more try X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Glad to see the document made it into the directory but I was sort of sad to see it had not taken into account Alex's comments (ok and mine too :-). Could you take a stab at fixing those up and just resubmit. It is probably 30 minutes work. I think it would be nice (and very clear for IANA) if the IANA section started with a sentence along lines of "This specification requires no IANA actions", then continued with rest of stuff that is there now. On 11/3/05 4:59 AM, "Alexander Mayrhofer" wrote: > All, > >> Cullen Jennings wrote: >>> The BNF does not add the enumdi to the par rule in the tel RFC. And >>> the IANA >>> registry question would also impact this. >>> >>> I'm also wondering if I am nuts thinking that the we need to say that >>> this >>> draft updates the par line. It makes sense to me but if others think >>> this is >>> not needed - let me know I am nuts. > > I second that we need to say this. The last sentence of the section (which, > btw, should mention "enumdi" instead of "enum-dip-indicator"?) should at > least specify where in the tel URI can appear. I like the style from > draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group, btw. > > I also think that "No considerations for IANA" should be clarified. Without > the background of the tel URI registry draft this is a imho bit misleading > (and, could be interpreted as an suggestion that tel URI parameters do not > need to be registered/coordinated at all [otoh, 3966 section 5.4 clarifies > this already]). > >>> Can we also get someone to do a NITS review of this draft. It the >>> review was >>> already done in the ENUM group then I am happy to skip it. > > My comments are as follows: > > - As Cullen already pointed out, there's a IPR Boilerplate issue. I've not > investigated this in detail. > > - Secion 1 has a small typo in it: "thisdocument" > > - Abbreviations: There are a lot of abbreviations which are never spelled > out. I've spotted "VoIP", "UAS", "UAC", "ENUM", "PSTN", "URI" (spelled out > in abstract only - is this ok?), "NAPTR", "RR" not to be on the list of well > known abbreviations. > > - Abstract: The second sentenct of the abstract is a bit too long for my > poor Engrish ;), would appreciate comments from native speakers here. In > addition, it only talks about "receiving" an enumdi URI which could lead to > the impression that the document is only about handling, but not creating > the parameter in URIs. Furthermore, the ID-Checklist mandates to not use any > citations in abstracts - Please remove references to RFCs from it. Please > expand any abbreviations - this could lead to cluttering of the first > sentence, maybe "SIP Proxies, H.323 gatekeepers and other VoIP elements" > should be simply replaced by "network elements". > > - Readability: Generally, there are a few rather long nested sentences. It > makes the document hard to read in some points. > > - URI examples: "<" and ">" are not part of the URI itself - they are a way > of embedding URIs in other protocols. Please remove them from the examples. > > - IANA considerations: see comment above. > > - ABNF is used in the document: Please change its reference to normative. > > cheers > > Alex Mayrhofer > enum.at _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 15 13:03:20 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmxRo-0004sJ-De; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:03:20 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmxRh-0004rn-Om for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:03:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA11412 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmxSx-0003ZR-3G for iptel@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:04:31 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com ([64.102.124.12]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2005 13:02:52 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,258,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="77808021:sNHT34981312" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jBFI2553007709; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:02:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:02:47 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([10.86.242.16]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:02:47 -0500 Message-ID: <43A1AFC6.2020004@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:02:46 -0500 From: Jonathan Rosenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cullen Jennings Subject: Re: [Iptel] Sending draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np to IESG References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 18:02:47.0241 (UTC) FILETIME=[C161C390:01C601A1] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9af087f15dbdd4c64ae6bbcdbc5b1d44 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "iptel@ietf.org" , James Yu , Richard Shockey X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org (not as chair) I think we should go for MUST; this is used much more often in the RAI set of specifications, and we should be consistent. Thanks, Jonathan R. Cullen Jennings wrote: > Alex thanks for the detail review. > > James, any idea when we could have a rev that addressed these and Vijay's > comments? I would really really like to have this sent to the AD before the > holidays. > > Thanks, Cullen. > > > PS - I agree that SHALL or MUST is left to your discretion - I'm happy > either way. I will note that the MAY/SHOULD/MUST are used the most and many > people seem more familiar with those. > > > > On 12/9/05 1:43 AM, "Alexander Mayrhofer" > wrote: > > >>Cullen Jennings wrote: >> >> >>>I hoping that someone can do a NITS review of this draft and send James >>>comments so he can resubmit a version I can request publication on. >> >>Hi, >> >>I've completed my review, here are my comments - disclaimer: I've not read >>any discussion about this draft, so if i'm repeating something that has >>already been addressed please excuse my ignorance. >> >>Summary: I think that technically this is pretty mature, however, certain >>parts of the text should be improved for clarity and brevity. Here we go: >> >>- The online ID-NITS checker reports that there is an issue with the IPR >>boilerplate. I've not investigated this in more detail. Additionally, it >>reports the missing IANA section. Here is the raw output: >> >>---- >>idnits 1.74 >> >>iptel/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np-07.txt: >> >> >> Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html: >> * The document seems to lack an IANA Considerations section. >> Checking conformance with RFC 3978/3979 boilerplate... >> * The document seems to lack an RFC 3978 Section 5.1 IPR Disclosure >> Acknowledgement -- however, there's a paragraph with a matching >> beginning. Boilerplate error? >> >> Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.txt: >> Nothing found here (but these checks do not cover all of >> 1id-guidelines.txt yet). >> >> Miscellaneous warnings: >> None. >> >> Summary: 2 nits, 0 warnings >> >> Run idnits with the --verbose option for more detailed information. >>---- >> >>- Title: I'm not really happy with the word "new" in the title. The RFC >>would still be named like that in 20 years (when, hoepfully, those parameters >>will no be new anymore at all) - my recommendation is to simply remove the >>word from the title, or even change the title to 'Number Portability >>Parameters for the "tel" URI' >> >>- Abstract: same issue with "new". Could be left out here as well. My >>feeling is that the abstract is a pretty long sentence. Probably it should >>be split after "... related information", and continue with "This >>information could...". As i'm not a native speaker, i'm unsure here, >>however. comments appreciated >> >>- Abstract, sentence mentioning the mailing list: This should be removed >>prior publication (or the RFC editors should be instructed to do so). >> >>- I'm missing a ToC >> >>- 2. Introduction: >> >>First para: Personally, i'd remove the word "the" in front of "telephony >>subscribers". "800 numbers in the North America" should be changed to >>"numbers within the 800 area code in the North American Numbering Plan". >>Generally, i don't think the sentence "The NP implementations in many >>countries..." is neccessary here, because it does not provide any additional >>information relevant for the protocol described (and readers can be expected >>to be familiar with ranges that support NP, anyways). >> >>Second/Third para: [disclaimer: I know close to nothing about SS7 etc.] Is >>this really specific to geographic numbers? In all countries? I think that >>this should be generalized. Also, are numbers really "located" at a carrier? >>I think that they are "serviced" or "initially allocated". I'm sure that >>other members of the group could provide more precise terms for this. >> >>4th para: Is this specific to "freephone" only? Again, in which countries? >>Rephrasing this to "... identifies the current carrier of the respective >>phone number" (in what network? ahhh...). Does the second sentence also >>refer to free phone numbers? >> >>Personally, i'd reduce the introduction to a few sentences which explain >>what the parameters to be introduced are - the NP mechanics should already >>be explained in RFC3482 to which you are refering anyways. >> >>The last few sentences of the the introduction would become redundant if >>you'd introduce a more formal ToC. >> >>- I like the "abbreviations" section. It gives a good overview. However, you >>can safely remove "IETF" and "IP" from the lists as those two are considered >>well known abbreviations within the IETF, and don't need to be spelled out. >> >>- Formal syntax: The ABNF and the description what goes into the URI are a >>bit inconsistent. First, the "phonedigit" definition is never used (all >>relevant parameters contain "phonedigit-hex"), so it could be safely >>removed. Additionally, i don't understand why you have the following >>definitions there, since they just "rename" other definitions: rn, npdi, >>cic. What is the reason for introducing 2 names for those definitions? >> >>You should state which part of the "tel" URI definition is to be extended by >>those parameters (that would be the "par" definition in RFC3966, afais). >> >>The ABNF validator at http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/abnf.cgi suggests a few >>changes with regards to normalization, btw. >> >>- Section 5: Again, i'm not happy with the specifics regarding "freephone" >>and "geographic" number ranges. I'm sure that i don't have enough insight >>into number portability, but i suspect that those parameters might be useful >>in other scenarios as well (like mobile number portability). You are >>basically excluding such scenarios. >> >>I'd like to see comments from number portability gurus _outside_ the NANP >>here - they are for sure more competent in reviewing this than i am. >> >>- Section "5.2" - you are refering to section "5.3.4" which does not exist >>in the document. That should probably be "5.2.4". >> >>- Section 6, example "A": "service provide with" should be corrected to >>"service provider with" >>- Section 6, example "B": That should read "service providers" instead of >>"service provider's". >>- Section 6, example "G": "If the valid" should be "If valid" - generally, >>my impression is that there are a few "the"s in the example section where i >>would not expect them ('... value of the "rn" of "cic" ...') - again, i'm >>not a native speaker. >> >>- IANA section: Please include one, probably with "there are no >>considerations for IANA" with an explaination to the RFC editors that those >>parameters are already included in the upcoming tel URI parameter registry >>document. >> >>hope that helps >> >>cheers >> >>alex > > > _______________________________________________ > Iptel mailing list > Iptel@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel > -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D. 600 Lanidex Plaza Cisco Fellow Parsippany, NJ 07054-2711 Cisco Systems jdrosen@cisco.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.cisco.com _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 15 14:19:43 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Emydj-0006f0-6X; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:19:43 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Emyda-0006dr-Vp for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:19:39 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20528 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Emyeu-0006QC-EK for iptel@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:20:58 -0500 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2005 11:19:16 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,258,1131350400"; d="scan'208"; a="378802369:sNHT35059464" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jBFJIWqF013501; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:19:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:19:09 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([10.86.242.16]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:19:09 -0500 Message-ID: <43A1C1AC.1070208@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:19:08 -0500 From: Jonathan Rosenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Vijay K. Gurbani" References: <439701F0.6060105@lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <439701F0.6060105@lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 19:19:09.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C947870:01C601AC] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 225414c974e0d6437992164e91287a51 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF IPTEL WG , Cullen Jennings Subject: [Iptel] Re: draft-ietf-iptel-tel-reg-00 submitted X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Thanks for the quick turnaround on all this stuff, guys. Here are some comments on the draft. A couple are more than just nits and may require some discussion: > This document creates an Internet Assigned Number Authority (IANA) > registry for the tel Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) parameters, s/for the tel/for tel and remove the comma at the end of the second line > It also lists the already existing parameters to > be used as initial values for that registry. I think this is better said thusly: It also populates the registry with the parameters defined in the tel URI specification, along with the parameters in extensions defined for number portability and trunk groups. > Jennings & Gurbani Expires June 9, 2006 [Page 1] > > Internet-Draft IANA Registry for TEL URI Parameters Dec 2005 s/TEL/tel > 1. Introduction > > RFC 3966 [1] allows new tel URI parameters, and new parameter values > to be defined. Suggest: The tel URI, defined in RFC 3966 [1], defines a URI that can be used to represent resources identified by telephone numbers. The tel URI, like many other URIs, provides extensibility through the definition of new URI parameters and new values for existing parameters. > RFCs defining tel URI parameters, or parameter values MUST register > them with IANA as described below. remove the comma > Registered tel URI parameters and their values are to be considered > "reserved words". In order to preserve interoperability, registered > parameters MUST be used in a manner consistent with that described in > their defining RFC. Implementations MUST NOT utilize "private" or > "locally defined" URI parameters that conflict with registered > parameters. this paragraph basically says to read the specs and be good. THats motherhood and apple-pie kind of stuff. I think you should remove the paragraph, it seems out of place anyway. > Some tel URI parameters only accept a set of predefined parameter > values while others can take any value. There are also parameters > that can not have any value. suggest for the last sentence: There are also parameters which take no values; they are used as flags. > Registering all parameter values for > all tel URI parameters of this type would require a large number of > sub-registries. this sentence doesn't work where its currently placed. The words "this type" would normally refer to the previous sentence. But they don't; the previous sentence talks about parameters with no values. I'd suggest: Those URI parameters which take on predefined values typically take on a large number of values. Registering each of those values, or creating a sub-registry for each such parameter, is not appropriate. > The tel URI parameter registry contains a column that indicates > whether or not each parameter only accepts a set of predefined > values. The column can contain Yes, No, or NA. Implementers of > parameters with a "yes" in that column need to find all the valid > parameter values in the RFCs provided as references. Parameters that > are not allowed to have a parameters have a value of "NA". So, what does "No" mean? None of the entries in the registry are "No". I originally thought No applied to parameters whose values were either infinite in scope, or were a finite set, but from a set not defined through enumeration (for example, the set of phone numbers). But, things like isub are "Yes", so I'm confused. > New tel URI parameters and new parameter values are registered by the > IANA. ...and new parameter values for existing URI parameters are registered... > When registering a new tel parameter or a new value for a > parameter, ..new value for an existing parameter... Actually, I'd suggest a different template for registering a new parameter vs. a new value for an existing parameter. In the former case, you need everything you've listed. In the latter case, you only provide the parameter name and the RFC number; you shouldn't provide a value for the "predefined value" column. Indeed, you can only register new values for parameters whose "preddefined value" columnb is "Yes", and the instructions to IANA need to state that. > As per the terminology in RFC 2434 [3], the registration policy for > tel URI parameters shall be "Specification Required". Hmm. Thats not what the intro says. It says: The tel URI parameters and values for these parameters MUST be documented in a standards-track RFC in order to be registered by IANA. If you read RFC2434, it says this about "specification required": Specification Required - Values and their meaning must be documented in an RFC or other permanent and readily available reference, in sufficient detail so that interoperability between independent implementations is possible. Examples: SCSP [SCSP] "specification required" allows for informational and experimental documents. The text in the intro really seems to imply "standards action", defined in RFC 2434 as: Standards Action - Values are assigned only for Standards Track RFCs approved by the IESG. Examples: MIME top level types [MIME-REG] Thanks, Jonahtan R. Vijay K. Gurbani wrote: > Folks: > > I have submitted draft-ietf-iptel-tel-reg-00. > > Until it becomes available in the archives, you can get it from > > http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-reg-00.txt > http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-reg-00.html > > Thanks. > > - vijay -- Jonathan D. 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Shah \(dhaval\)" To: "Cullen Jennings \(fluffy\)" , "Manjunath Bangalore \(manjax\)" , "Jonathan Rosenberg \(jdrosen\)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2005 05:26:44.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DB5A2D0:01C60201] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: iptel@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Unless I missed something, Jonathan? Thx, Dhaval=20 -----Original Message----- From: Cullen Jennings (fluffy)=20 Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 4:55 PM To: Manjunath Bangalore (manjax); Dhaval N. Shah (dhaval); Jonathan Rosenberg (jdrosen) Cc: iptel@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Iptel] 64th IETF Agenda=20 I think that Jonathan is going to need to review this one. On 10/27/05 9:52 AM, "Bangalore, Manjunath" wrote: > Cullen, >=20 > I just wanted to confirm that there are no other open issues besides=20 > positioning TGREP as a profile of TRIP. We have addressed all other=20 > feedback that was received when it was put out for WGLC sometime ago. >=20 > Can we get some assistance from yourself and Jonathan in addressing=20 > this one item? >=20 > Regards, > -Manjax > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: iptel-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:iptel-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Cullen Jennings > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:53 PM > To: Dhaval N Shah; Jonathan Rosenberg > Cc: iptel@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Iptel] 64th IETF Agenda >=20 >=20 > Hi Dhaval, >=20 > Unfortunately we did not request any agenda time. Jonathan and I did=20 > think (or did not realize) that there were any open issues that could=20 > not be solved on the list. My notes have that the major open issue is=20 > that we need to massage the draft to make it a profile of TRIP instead > of a different protocol. Are there other issues? Can we sort them out=20 > on the list? Any estimate of when we might get the next revision? The=20 > current one is from > 2001 >=20 > Cullen >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 10/17/05 4:36 PM, "Dhaval N. Shah (dhaval)" wrote: >=20 >> =20 >> Jonathan/Cullen, >>=20 >> We'd like a 15 minute slot in the IPTEL WG meeting in the upcoming=20 >> IETF to conclude any open issues for TGREP to move closer towards RFC >> status. >>=20 >> Thx, >> Dhaval and Manjunath >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Iptel mailing list >> Iptel@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Iptel mailing list > Iptel@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 16 05:42:09 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnD2P-0003wu-IT; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 05:42:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnD2N-0003wp-52 for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 05:42:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA00199 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 05:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxs2.siemens.at ([194.138.12.133]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnD3h-0000aW-4L for iptel@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 05:43:45 -0500 Received: from vies1k7x.sie.siemens.at ([158.226.129.83]) by mxs2.siemens.at with ESMTP id jBGAferP022901 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:41:40 +0100 Received: from nets139a.ww300.siemens.net ([158.226.129.97]) by vies1k7x.sie.siemens.at (8.12.11/8.12.1) with ESMTP id jBGAfdVe004868 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:41:40 +0100 Received: from nets13ha.ww300.siemens.net ([158.226.250.77]) by nets139a.ww300.siemens.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:41:39 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re:[Iptel] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-iptel-tel-reg-00.txt Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:41:38 +0100 Message-ID: <9546CD0F7CC5EE48BCCE583AC4FC864D021788C9@nets13ha.ww300.siemens.net> Thread-Topic: Re:[Iptel] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-iptel-tel-reg-00.txt Thread-Index: AcYCLUsurAxHsHYNRUKCN0o+tAAAcg== From: "Horvath Ernst" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2005 10:41:40.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C1953F0:01C6022D] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Vijay, I would have expected to find "phone-context" in the initial list of parameters. Is there any particular reason why it is not mentioned? If so, a note explaining the reason would help inexperienced readers like myself. Thanks, Ernst Horvath Siemens AG _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 16 07:57:22 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnF9G-0004RK-Ko; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:57:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnF9F-0004RF-Gc for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:57:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14497 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnFAr-0005WU-1K for iptel@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:59:01 -0500 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Dec 2005 04:57:12 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,261,1131350400"; d="scan'208"; a="685579950:sNHT34082928" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jBGCuaQg022169 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:57:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:56:10 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([10.86.242.16]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:56:09 -0500 Message-ID: <43A2B969.8010508@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:56:09 -0500 From: Jonathan Rosenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: list iptel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2005 12:56:09.0935 (UTC) FILETIME=[162565F0:01C60240] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ed68cc91cc637fea89623888898579ba Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Iptel] comments on trunk-group doc X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Well, first I have to apologize for the tardiness of these comments. I promised them ages ago and finally dedicated some time today to iptel matters and so got around to this. Unfortunately I have many substantive comments on the document, see below: > referred to as "trunks") between Time Division Multiplexed (TDM) > circuit switches. In large switches, a group of trunks that connects connect > vendor. Absent such guidelines, inter-operability will suffer as a > proxy vendor must conform to the expectations of a gateway as to interoperability > The trunk group information can be carried in either the "sip" URI or > the "tel" URI. Since trunks groups are intimately associated with trunk groups > 4. Requirements and rationale you should at least provide some introductory text here, saying that this section overviews some of the motivations for the design decisions that went into the development of the spec. > anyway). Furthermore, using the tel URL also allows this format to > be reused by non-SIP VoIP protocols (which could include anything tel URI, not URL > normative procedures of Section 19.1.6 of [3] can be used to derive > an equivalent "sip" URI from a "tel" URI, complete with the trunk here, you put the URI schemes in quotes, whereas this wasnt done before. Leave unquoted. > respectively, signifies the intent. A proxy (or any other > intermediary -- see next section) MAY insert a trunk group appears in > the R-URI; to the next downstream entity this signifies an egress (or > terminating) trunk group to be used. this section is really informative and shouldn't have any normative statements in it like this. Also, the sentence doesn't make sense, looks like "appears" is extraneous. Suggest: A trunk group parameter in the request URI is an indication from a SIP entity (for example, a proxy) to the next downstream entity that a specific egress trunk group should be used. > To the processing User Agent Server (UAS), a trunk group in the R-URI > implies that it should use the named trunk group for the outbound > call. If a UAS supports trunk groups but is not configured with the > particular trunk group identified in the R-URI, it SHOULD not use any > other trunk group other than the one requested. more normative text in a requirements section. Actually, this is pretty fundamental processing steps here. My suggestion is to create a seperate section, called "Client Behavior" (using client in the sip transaction sense), which describes rules by which any entity acting as a sip client can insert a tg parameter in the R-uri, and another section on Server Behavior, that discusses treatment on receipt. Then, make this section 4 entirely informative and move it below. As written now it is very confusing about what this is. Also, in terms of the specific normative strength here, this is a SHOULD. What would be the conditions by which you would ignore that tg parameter and send it elsewhere? Seems like ignoring it could cause interop problems. > A User Agent Client (UAC) that initiates a call and supports this > specification MAY include the trunk group in the Contact header. If > it does so, the trunk group in the Contact header represents the > originating trunk group. Subsequent requests destined to that UAC > MUST copy the trunk group from the Contact header into the R-URI. this is confusing. I think you are referring to mid-dialog reuqests, which will, as a consequence of rfc3261 processing, result in the contact appearing in the r-uri. If so, there is no need to re-specify rfc3261 behavior. I'll also note that this won't happen for non-dialog requests like MESSAGE, which can come through a pstn gateway (SMS to SIP), and can have a trunk group in the contact, so this text is not really accurate anyway. > Among other sources of request arrival (not shown in Figure) at the > proxy is GW1. I found this sentence confusing; GW1 is shown in the figure. "Not shown" apparently refers to other sources. But, they're not relevant anyway, so why mention it? > GW1 in Figure 1 is always cognizant of any requests that arrive over > trunk group TG1-1. If it wishes to propagate the ingress trunk group > to the proxy, it MUST arrange for the trunk group to appear in the > Contact header of the SIP request destined to the proxy. here too, normative statements seem out of scope for a section on reference architecture; these need to be collected into a section on behaviors of clients and servers. > the proxy MUST arrange for the trunk group to appear in the > SIP R-URI of the request destined to that gateway. as above > [2] Crocker, D. and P. Overell, "Augmented BNF for Syntax > Specifications: ABNF", RFC 2234, November 1997. update to 4234 > trunk-group-label = *1( unreserved / escaped / > trunk-group-unreserved ) shouldn't this be 1* and not *1 > trunk-group-unreserved is the intersection of param-unreserved > defined in [4] and user-unreserved defined in [3]. Since the There is no user-unreserved defined in the grammar. unreserved and escaped are used; you need to say where those are defined. unreserved is actually in BOTH 3966 and 3261 it seems; though thankfully they appear to be the same definition. > Since the > trunk group is an extension to the tel URI and will end up as the > user portion of a SIP URI, the ABNF for it has to ensure that it > can be adequately represented in both the constructs. > descriptor is defined in [4]. Hmm. This should not be needed. Note the grammar for the SIP URI: SIP-URI = "sip:" [ userinfo ] hostport uri-parameters [ headers ] userinfo = ( user / telephone-subscriber ) [ ":" password ] "@" note that userinfo can contain telephone-subscriber directly. That, through further definition, includes the extension characters for the tel URI. Thus, there is no need to perform this intersection as you have done. If it was needed, it would have been a bug in 3966. > If the receiver of a SIP request is not the owner of the domain (or > global prefix) specified in the "trunk-context", it MUST treat the > trunk group as if it was not there. It is my understanding that normally trunk group identifiers are scoped to the switch to which they are attached. That is, two switches in the same network can both use the same identifier. If so, the usage of descriptor as a scoping tool is a little odd; descriptor is meant to provide a scope for service providers or countries, where numbering plans are scoped. You could use a descriptor to define a switch, if you used a domain name equal to the host name of the machine, i.e., gw22.provider.net. But the phone number prefix would never be useful. So, if I am correct and trunk group identifiers are in fact scoped to a switch/gateway, this requires further discussion in the document at least. Another point on this text. Its not actually clear what it means to "treat the trunk group as if it were not there". What is the meaining of "trunk group" in this sentence? Do you mean the two URI parameters (i.e., ignore tgrp and trunk-context)? I would think that, if a gateway receives a request targeted to a trunk group that doesnt exist, its akin to get a request with a domain name that doesn't match your own, and you would reject with 404. > F1: > INVITE sip:+16305554554@example.com > ... > Contact: trunk-context=example.com@gw1.example.com> Well, I'll first quote draft-ietf-sip-guidelines here: For an example of how to construct a good examples section, see the message flows and message formatting defined in the Basic Call Flows specification [21]. Note that complete messages SHOULD be used. Be which says that you should use complete messages. The messages here are not only incomplete, they are gramatically wrong even for the pieces they show. Note the missing SIP/2.0 in the r-uri. The URI in the R-URI also omits user=phone which probably should be there. > reached GW1. Under normal circumstances (i.e., instances where the > calling party number is present in signaling), GW1 would derive a sip > URI to insert into the Contact header. This sip URI may contain, as > its user portion, the calling party number from from the incoming SS7 > signaling information. The trunk group information then becomes part > of the user portion as discussed previously. this is really an implementation choice; I actually don't think that this is that common. YMMV. Anyway, I think its important to point out that putting the phone number in the user part of the contact is optional and an implementation choice anyway. As such, the whole bit about handling incoming calls without a calling number is merely a statement of the obvious - your local implementation can put in whatever it wants, but obviously not the information thats not there... > Once the request is in the domain of example.net, the namespace > imposed by the "trunk-context" parameter in the Contact header > prevents collisions with similiar trunk groups maintained by the > example.net domain. this doesn't make sense. The contact in the invite is not used by the recipient in any way except to get the request routed back the originator, which uses the domain part of the SIP URI. The user part of the contact is only ever looked at by the entity that inserted it, so consequently namespace collisions are not an issue. The main use for the namespace scoping is really in the r-uri, I think, to make sure that a request goes to a trunk group on the gateway that houses it. Largely to deal with configuration problems. > 8. Security considerations > > The extension defined in this document does not add any additional > security concerns beyond those already enumerated in [3]. I disagree. Consider this; modifying the r-uri in a request in-transit would allow me to cause the gateway to use one specific trunk group over another. I can launch all kinds of nice attacks by making gateways use the wrong trunk group. For example, a service provider gets charged when they route inter-lata traffic over a local trunk. Or, there might be a toll-free trunk that I can force calls on and get free calls or something. Thus, integrity of this thing is important. Thanks, Jonathan R. -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D. 600 Lanidex Plaza Cisco Fellow Parsippany, NJ 07054-2711 Cisco Systems jdrosen@cisco.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.cisco.com _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 16 10:24:05 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnHRF-0006a0-I9; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:24:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnHRD-0006Zt-1q for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:24:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04006 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ihemail2.lucent.com ([192.11.222.163]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnHSo-00030G-Q3 for iptel@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:25:44 -0500 Received: from ihmail.ih.lucent.com (h135-1-218-70.lucent.com [135.1.218.70]) by ihemail2.lucent.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBGFNv54025140; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:23:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from [135.185.173.147] (il0015vkg1.ih.lucent.com [135.185.173.147]) by ihmail.ih.lucent.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id jBGFNvf25854; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:23:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43A2DC0D.6000708@lucent.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:23:57 -0600 From: "Vijay K. Gurbani" Organization: Wireless Networks Research and Development User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Horvath Ernst Subject: Re: [Iptel] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-iptel-tel-reg-00.txt References: <9546CD0F7CC5EE48BCCE583AC4FC864D021788C9@nets13ha.ww300.siemens.net> In-Reply-To: <9546CD0F7CC5EE48BCCE583AC4FC864D021788C9@nets13ha.ww300.siemens.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f884eb1d4ec5a230688d7edc526ea665 Cc: iptel@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0092720947==" Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============0092720947== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms040300020002080008020701" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040300020002080008020701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Horvath Ernst wrote: > Vijay, > > I would have expected to find "phone-context" in the initial list of > parameters. Is there any particular reason why it is not mentioned? If > so, a note explaining the reason would help inexperienced readers like > myself. Looks like an inadverdent omission. Will fix in next release. Thanks, - vijay -- Vijay K. 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Gurbani" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Rosenberg Subject: Re: [Iptel] comments on trunk-group doc References: <43A2B969.8010508@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <43A2B969.8010508@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: list iptel X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Jonathan: This is an ACK for the comments on trunk-group and tel-reg. Thanks for the detailed review of both. I'll follow-up with any ensuing discussions on the list, followed by revisions of both the docs. Thanks, - vijay _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 20 15:51:42 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EooSU-0007be-3z; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:51:42 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EooQw-0006so-FF; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:50:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA04322; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [132.151.6.50] (helo=newodin.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EooTN-0005Y8-8z; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:52:38 -0500 Received: from mlee by newodin.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EooQs-0008Su-47; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:50:02 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:50:02 -0500 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10ba05e7e8a9aa6adb025f426bef3a30 Cc: iptel@ietf.org Subject: [Iptel] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-03.txt X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Telephony Working Group of the IETF. Title : The ENUM Dip Indicator parameter for the "tel" URI Author(s) : R. Stastny, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-03.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2005-12-20 This document defines a new parameter "enumdi" for the "tel" Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) to support the handling of ENUM queries in VoIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) network elements. A VoIP network element may receive an URI containing an E.164 number, where that URI contains an "enumdi" parameter. The presence of the "enumdi" parameter indicates that an ENUM query has already been performed on the E.164 number by a previous VoIP network element. Equally, if a VoIP network element sends such an URI, it asserts that an ENUM query has been carried out on this number. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2005-12-20134108.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-03.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-03.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2005-12-20134108.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel --NextPart-- From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 20 17:37:08 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eoq6W-0000GV-5J; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:37:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eoq6U-0000GH-IP for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:37:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA09455 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from cypress.neustar.com ([209.173.57.84]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eoq8y-0000wh-V0 for iptel@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:39:42 -0500 Received: from stntsmtp1.cis.neustar.com (smartexch.neustar.com [10.31.13.79]) by cypress.neustar.com (8.12.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jBKMar63013723; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:36:53 GMT Received: from stntexch01.cis.neustar.com ([10.31.13.43]) by stntsmtp1.cis.neustar.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:35:26 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Iptel] Sending draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np to IESG Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:35:26 -0500 Message-ID: <165FCC93A820D240A62F98E028CEFED005DF2076@stntexch01.cis.neustar.com> Thread-Topic: [Iptel] Sending draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np to IESG Thread-Index: AcYAUIxtywBEx2xDEdqNnQARJEEJ/AFZGAuw From: "Yu, James" To: "Cullen Jennings" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2005 22:35:26.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC602780:01C605B5] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: iptel@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Cullen, I just submitted -08 version. This is to inform the list that the title of the I-D has changed. Any future reference to this document should reflect the new title in addition to the new version # and new date. James -----Original Message----- From: Cullen Jennings [mailto:fluffy@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:49 PM To: Alexander Mayrhofer; iptel@ietf.org; Yu, James Cc: Rich Shockey Subject: Re: [Iptel] Sending draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np to IESG Alex thanks for the detail review. James, any idea when we could have a rev that addressed these and Vijay's comments? I would really really like to have this sent to the AD before the holidays.=20 Thanks, Cullen. PS - I agree that SHALL or MUST is left to your discretion - I'm happy either way. I will note that the MAY/SHOULD/MUST are used the most and many people seem more familiar with those. _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 21 15:50:22 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EpAuk-0006Sf-1J; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:50:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EpAuS-0006Ks-GP; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:50:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA19452; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [132.151.6.50] (helo=newodin.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpAx7-0006fr-VE; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:52:50 -0500 Received: from mlee by newodin.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpAuQ-0005Xf-7L; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:50:02 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:50:02 -0500 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3002fc2e661cd7f114cb6bae92fe88f1 Cc: iptel@ietf.org Subject: [Iptel] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np-08.txt X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Telephony Working Group of the IETF. Title : Number Portability Parameters for the "tel" URI Author(s) : J. Yu Filename : draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np-08.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2005-12-21 This document defines five parameters in the "tel" Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) to carry the number portability (NP)-related information. Those parameters can be passed to the next-hop network node after an NP database dip has been performed. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np-08.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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