From isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Jul 02 08:54:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I5LPj-00049O-W9; Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:54:00 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I5LPi-00049G-7T for isms@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:53:58 -0400 Received: from moab.few.eur.nl ([130.115.112.12]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I5LPd-00023l-Gl for isms@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:53:58 -0400 Received: from mo061115 (mo-061115.staff.few.eur.nl [130.115.113.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by moab.few.eur.nl (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l62Crjs3006105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:53:46 +0200 (MEST) From: "Editors IJRM" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:53:44 +0200 Organization: IJRM Message-ID: <001101c7bca8$0713e360$fd717382@staff.few.eur.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C7BCB8.CA9CB360" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ace8qAXgsLAvzPujQK+AR0Fa7+4Yyw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Disclaimer-FEW-EN: <001101c7bca8$0713e360$fd717382@staff.few.eur.nl> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 130.115.112.12 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ed37b243475b9c4ffb6a3f90050819d Subject: [Isms] REMINDER - IJRM Marketing and Health Special Issue due date X-BeenThere: isms@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the ISMS working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C7BCB8.CA9CB360 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0013_01C7BCB8.CA9CB360" ------=_NextPart_001_0013_01C7BCB8.CA9CB360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Announcement/REMINDER Please be reminded that the submission deadline for the IJRM special issue on Marketing and Health is September 1, 2007. Please see the attached original announcement for further information. Papers should be submitted either at http://ees.elsevier.com/ijrm or per email to editors-ijrm@few.eur.nl. Thank you very much. Cecilia Nalagon Editorial Assistant, IJRM H15-06 Erasmus University Rotterdam PO Box 1738 3000 DR Rotterdam tel: +31-10-40-81392 fax: +31-10-40-89169 website: http://www.erim.eur.nl/ijrm Elsevier site: www.elsevier.com/locate/ijresmar Submission site: http://ees.elsevier.com/ijrm ------=_NextPart_001_0013_01C7BCB8.CA9CB360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline REMINDER - IJRM Marketing and Health Special Issue due date

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Jul 2007 09:11:28 -0400 Received: from moab.few.eur.nl ([130.115.112.12]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I5Lg3-0006lh-AG for isms@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:11:28 -0400 Received: from mo061115 (mo-061115.staff.few.eur.nl [130.115.113.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by moab.few.eur.nl (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l62DAfuA021568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:10:42 +0200 (MEST) From: "Editors IJRM" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:10:41 +0200 Organization: IJRM Message-ID: <001701c7bcaa$64debe50$fd717382@staff.few.eur.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ace8qmQpv9UlS0+PRGGK45ulTuQgYg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Disclaimer-FEW-EN: <001701c7bcaa$64debe50$fd717382@staff.few.eur.nl> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 130.115.112.12 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 96e0f8497f38c15fbfc8f6f315bcdecb Subject: [Isms] IJRM Marketing and Health Special Issue due date X-BeenThere: isms@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the ISMS working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0347240069==" Errors-To: isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0347240069== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C7BCBB.28678E50" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C7BCBB.28678E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Announcement/REMINDER Please be reminded that the submission deadline for the IJRM special issue on Marketing and Health is September 1, 2007. Please see below the original announcement for further information. Papers should be submitted either at http://ees.elsevier.com/ijrm or per email to editors-ijrm@few.eur.nl. . Thank you very much. **************************************************************************** ************************************************* Announcement IJRM/MSI Special Issue on Health and Marketing With the growing aging of the world population, health has become a pressing issue. Many developed countries spend around 15% of their GDP on health. The OECD (Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development) has estimated that the annual increase in per capita spending on health across its member countries has outstripped overall economic growth by approximately 70% over the last three decades. A new field is developing within marketing that investigates "marketing of health". Several factors drive the development of this field. First, it is highly relevant to society at large, given that many people deal with health issues every day, either as a professional, patient, or manager. Marketing of health influences people's day-to-day lives. Second, government plays an important role in regulating the health and life sciences industry, thus health marketing research can have strong public policy implications. Third, given the government's involvement in regulation, many processes at the patient-, physician-, provider-, company- or market-level are reliably and continuously documented. This provides the availability of high-quality databases. Fourth, given the size of the industry, resources for supporting research are available. The familiarity with experimentation in this industry also provides behavioral researchers with a potentially enabling research context. Fifth, initial work shows that these markets may be driven by mechanisms that do not exist in other markets, such as residual ambiguity and the unique patient-payer-provider channel, to mention two of the most prominent ones. As these trends can only seem to strengthen in the next decade, marketing of health promises to become a very fruitful area of research. To foster its early development, the International Journal of Research in Marketing (IJRM) and the Marketing Science Institute (MSI) have decided to sponsor a special issue of IJRM on this topic. IJRM/MSI invites people with diverse backgrounds (modeling, strategy and behavior) to submit papers for this special issue. Specific topics of interest include: 1. Emotional and cognitive responses to disease and treatment; 2. Information search and learning by patients and care providers (including how this varies with health status, age, etc.); 3. Effectiveness of marketing instruments: a. Advertising: print to physicians as well as DTC; b. Pricing: co-payment, capping costs of life saving treatment (what is a year's life worth? who will pay for customized treatments?) c. Promotion: who to target, where, with what information and for what drug? d. Mix of marketing instruments: when to use which instrument and how much of it? 4. Launch and diffusion of new treatments; 5. Patient relationship management (e.g., life time value, patient compliance to therapy); 6. Prescription behavior of physicians and dispensing behavior of pharmacists; 7. Analyses of the physician-payer-provider channel (e.g., insurance, HMO) and the shifting role of the patient; 8. Innovation generation in life sciences; 9. Inter-firm cooperation in health; 10. Branding in health markets; 11. Preventative health/wellness versus treatment/cure. While I welcome papers from all geographic areas, I would like to request authors, given the international character of both IJRM and MSI, to pay particular attention to describing the relevant country context (since regulation is an important factor in this industry and regulation is country-specific). Country-by-country comparisons are of special interest. In terms of timing, submissions for the special issue are due September 1, 2007. Submissions will go through the regular IJRM review process (although I will likely use a specific set of guest AE's and reviewers), with a response to the authors by December 1, 2007. A revised paper, when requested, will be due by March 15, 2008. The authors will be notified of final acceptance by June 1, 2008. If further minor revisions are necessary, the final paper will be due August 1, 2008. The special issue will appear in print as the last issue of 2008, or the first issue of 2009. MSI and IJRM may consider organizing a meeting to feature the papers under consideration for the special issue. Papers can be submitted at any time until September 1, 2007 to: Stefan Stremersch Erasmus University Rotterdam H15-06 Burg. Oudlaan 50 3062 PA Rotterdam The Netherlands E-mail: editors-ijrm@few.eur.nl Or at : http://ees.elsevier.com/ijrm Please mention that it is a submission for the special issue. Also, given that I aim to make a decision in the first, if not definitely in the second round, please polish your submissions as much as possible. If you are not an experienced or native English speaker, please consider using a copy-editor. If you have questions, please contact me at the above e-mail address. >From the editor: Stefan Stremersch **************************************************************************** *** ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C7BCBB.28678E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline IJRM Marketing and Health Special Issue due date

Announcement/REMINDER=

Please be reminded th= at the submission deadline for the IJRM special issue on Marketing and Heal= th is September 1, 2007. Please see below the original announcement for fur= ther information.

Papers should be subm= itted either at  h= ttp://ees.elsevier.com/ijrm or per email to editors-ijrm@few.eur.nl.
.

Thank you very much.<= /FONT>

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Announcement

IJRM/MSI Special Issu= e on Health and Marketing


With the growing agin= g of the world population, health has become a pressing issue. Many develop= ed countries spend around 15% of their GDP on health. The OECD (Organizatio= n for Economic Cooperation and Development) has estimated that the annual i= ncrease in per capita spending on health across its member countries has ou= tstripped overall economic growth by approximately 70% over the last three = decades.

        A new field is developing within marketing that inves= tigates "marketing of health". Several factors drive the developm= ent of this field. First, it is highly relevant to society at large, given = that many people deal with health issues every day, either as a professiona= l, patient, or manager. Marketing of health influences people's day-to-day = lives. Second, government plays an important role in regulating the health = and life sciences industry, thus health marketing research can have strong = public policy implications. Third, given the government's involvement in re= gulation, many processes at the patient-, physician-, provider-, company- o= r market-level are reliably and continuously documented. This provides the = availability of high-quality databases. Fourth, given the size of the indus= try, resources for supporting research are available. The familiarity with = experimentation in this industry also provides behavioral researchers with = a potentially enabling research context. Fifth, initial work shows that the= se markets may be driven by mechanisms that do not exist in other markets, = such as residual ambiguity and the unique patient-payer-provider channel, t= o mention two of the most prominent ones.

        As these trends can only seem to strengthen in the ne= xt decade, marketing of health promises to become a very fruitful area of r= esearch. To foster its early development, the International Journal of Rese= arch in Marketing (IJRM) and the Marketing Science Institute (MSI) have dec= ided to sponsor a special issue of IJRM on this topic.

IJRM/MSI invites peop= le with diverse backgrounds (modeling, strategy and behavior) to submit pap= ers for this special issue.

Specific topics of in= terest include:
1.   =    Emotional and cognitive responses to disease and treatment;
2.   =    Information search and learning by patients and care providers= (including how this varies with health status, age, etc.);

3.   &= nbsp;  Effectiveness of marketing instruments:
a.   =    Advertising: print to physicians as well as DTC;
b.   =    Pricing: co-payment, capping costs of life saving treatment (w= hat is a year's life worth? who will pay for customized treatments?)=

c.   &= nbsp;  Promotion: who to target, where, with what information and for = what drug?
d.   =    Mix of marketing instruments: when to use which instrument and= how much of it?
4.   =    Launch and diffusion of new treatments;
5.   =    Patient relationship management (e.g., life time value, patien= t compliance to therapy);
6.   =    Prescription behavior of physicians and dispensing behavior of= pharmacists;
7.   =    Analyses of the physician-payer-provider channel (e.g., insura= nce, HMO) and the shifting role of the patient;
8.   =    Innovation generation in life sciences;
9.   =    Inter-firm cooperation in health;
10.   = ;  Branding in health markets;
11.   = ;  Preventative health/wellness versus treatment/cure.

While I welcome paper= s from all geographic areas, I would like to request authors, given the int= ernational character of both IJRM and MSI, to pay particular attention to d= escribing the relevant country context (since regulation is an important fa= ctor in this industry and regulation is country-specific). Country-by-count= ry comparisons are of special interest.

In terms of timing, s= ubmissions for the special issue are due September 1, 2007. Submissions wil= l go through the regular IJRM review process (although I will likely use a = specific set of guest AE's and reviewers), with a response to the authors b= y December 1, 2007. A revised paper, when requested, will be due by March 1= 5, 2008. The authors will be notified of final acceptance by June 1, 2008. = If further minor revisions are necessary, the final paper will be due Augus= t 1, 2008. The special issue will appear in print as the last issue of 2008= , or the first issue of 2009. MSI and IJRM may consider organizing a meetin= g to feature the papers under consideration for the special issue.

Papers can be submitt= ed at any time until September 1, 2007 to:

Stefan Stremersch
Erasmus University R= otterdam
H15-06
Burg. Oudlaan 50
3062 PA Rotterdam
The Netherlands
E-mail: editors-ijrm= @few.eur.nl

Or at : http://ees.elsevier.com/ijrm<= /U>

Please mention that i= t is a submission for the special issue. Also, given that I aim to make a d= ecision in the first, if not definitely in the second round, please polish = your submissions as much as possible. If you are not an experienced or nati= ve English speaker, please consider using a copy-editor. If you have questi= ons, please contact me at the above e-mail address.

From the editor: Stef= an Stremersch

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= ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C7BCBB.28678E50-- --===============0347240069== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Isms mailing list Isms@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms --===============0347240069==-- From isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Jul 04 11:59:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67GH-0000sR-TE; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:59:25 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67GG-0000sK-Nx for isms@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:59:24 -0400 Received: from hermes.iu-bremen.de ([212.201.44.23] helo=hermes.jacobs-university.de) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67GA-0007OV-V2 for isms@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:59:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (demetrius.iu-bremen.de [212.201.44.32]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631219A4 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:59:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17424-08-2; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:59:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0C484B78; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:59:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id AC5652BC1D7; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:59:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:59:13 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: isms@ietf.org Message-ID: <20070704155913.GA1834@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: isms@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at jacobs-university.de X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Cc: Subject: [Isms] sshtm: editorial comments X-BeenThere: isms@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de List-Id: Mailing list for the ISMS working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, editorial comments based on draft-ietf-isms-secshell-07.txt: p10: s/which means the exchange hash and thus the/which means the/ p14: add blank line before the receiveMessage ASI p15: s/indication in/indication returned by OpenSession() in/ p15: align the comments on the open session interface p17: s/server ./server./ p17: s/completed../completed./ p18: drop section 6.3 since the sshtmStats subtree does not exist p18: we do not import from the TMSM document in the MIB module p19: s/International University/Jacobs University/ p20: update the copyright years and timestamps p20: rename sshtmMIBObjects to sshtmObjects (following RFC 4181) p27: s/used. the/used. The/ xxx: consistently capitatize section headers /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ Isms mailing list Isms@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms From isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Jul 04 12:01:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67Hr-000297-Gr; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:01:03 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67Hq-00028t-0h for isms@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:01:02 -0400 Received: from hermes.iu-bremen.de ([212.201.44.23] helo=hermes.jacobs-university.de) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67Hf-0007jI-SF for isms@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:01:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (demetrius.iu-bremen.de [212.201.44.32]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A3B86523 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:00:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17421-07; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:00:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6416D9A4; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:00:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id B98B12BC20A; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:00:46 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:00:46 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: isms@ietf.org Message-ID: <20070704160046.GB1834@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: isms@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at jacobs-university.de X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: Subject: [Isms] tmStateReference X-BeenThere: isms@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de List-Id: Mailing list for the ISMS working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, tmStateReference related comments (draft-ietf-isms-secshell-07.txt): p12: The statement that the tmStateReference is represented as a MIB module is no true anymore and should be removed. p12: tmSameSession is not used and both should be removed. p12: sshtmSessionID is not used and should be removed. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ Isms mailing list Isms@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms From isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Jul 04 12:01:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67IS-0002tF-Lz; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:01:40 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67IS-0002sB-0O for isms@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:01:40 -0400 Received: from hermes.iu-bremen.de ([212.201.44.23] helo=hermes.jacobs-university.de) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67IE-0007n7-JL for isms@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:01:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (demetrius.iu-bremen.de [212.201.44.32]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287B186525 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:01:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17795-01; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:01:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3412B864AA; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:01:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 8E7912BC21C; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:01:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:01:22 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: isms@ietf.org Message-ID: <20070704160122.GC1834@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: isms@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at jacobs-university.de X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Cc: Subject: [Isms] sshtm: security name translation X-BeenThere: isms@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de List-Id: Mailing list for the ISMS working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, security name translation comments based on draft-ietf-isms-secshell-07.txt: The document specifies in several places that the authenticated identity might be translated into a securityName by something different then the identity transform (p12, p16, MIB module). I believe this is a feature not needed (at least I do not see the use case) and potentially a security nightmare (since VACM gets to see an identity, the securityName) which was not actually authenticated. I propose that this translation capability be dropped - this also implies to remove the whole sshtmUserTable and the supporting spin lock. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ Isms mailing list Isms@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms From isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Jul 04 12:02:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67JD-0004YR-2v; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:02:27 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67JC-0004Vq-1s for isms@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:02:26 -0400 Received: from hermes.iu-bremen.de ([212.201.44.23] helo=hermes.jacobs-university.de) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67Iv-0007rg-IO for isms@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:02:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (demetrius.iu-bremen.de [212.201.44.32]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2005786522 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:02:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17776-04-2; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:02:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4BF84B78; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:02:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 0C0832BC24D; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:02:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:02:01 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: isms@ietf.org Message-ID: <20070704160201.GD1834@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: isms@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at jacobs-university.de X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: Subject: [Isms] sshtm: discuss on page 5 X-BeenThere: isms@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de List-Id: Mailing list for the ISMS working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, comments based on draft-ietf-isms-secshell-07.txt: I believe the discuss should simply be removed. We have several counters that are incremented when the context is not explicitely known, see for example snmpInPkts in RFC 3416. And in any case, I assume every implementor will figure out that the contextEngineID is the engineID of the local engine and the context is the default context for error counters. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ Isms mailing list Isms@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms From isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Jul 04 12:02:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67Jc-0005C2-Og; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:02:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67Jb-0005Bt-F0 for isms@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:02:51 -0400 Received: from hermes.iu-bremen.de ([212.201.44.23] helo=hermes.jacobs-university.de) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67JK-0007tP-P4 for isms@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:02:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (demetrius.iu-bremen.de [212.201.44.32]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543CF84B78 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:02:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17903-01; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:02:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4407E9A4; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:02:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9E31F2BC25E; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:02:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:02:30 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: isms@ietf.org Message-ID: <20070704160230.GE1834@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: isms@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at jacobs-university.de X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: Subject: [Isms] sshtm: error counters for OpenSession() X-BeenThere: isms@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de List-Id: Mailing list for the ISMS working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, comments based on draft-ietf-isms-secshell-07.txt: There is some inconsistency concerning error handling in OpenSession(). I suggest we distinguish the following error situations sshtmConnectFailures sshtmServerAuthFailures sshtmUserAuthFailures sshtmChannelFailures in the EOP of the OpenSession() interface. (Right now, the EOP sometimes use a generic sshtmSessionOpenErrors, an undefined "unknownSecurityNames" error, or errors are just ignored and not handled. Note that this also implies updates in the MIB module. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ Isms mailing list Isms@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms From isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Jul 04 12:03:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67KD-0005ph-IG; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:03:29 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67KC-0005pc-Gv for isms@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:03:28 -0400 Received: from hermes.iu-bremen.de ([212.201.44.23] helo=hermes.jacobs-university.de) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67K1-0007xF-Ld for isms@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:03:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (demetrius.iu-bremen.de [212.201.44.32]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398C986525 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:03:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17933-02; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:03:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2D484B78; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:03:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id B4D082BC28F; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:03:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:03:12 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: isms@ietf.org Message-ID: <20070704160312.GF1834@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: isms@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at jacobs-university.de X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Cc: Subject: [Isms] sshtm: mib module X-BeenThere: isms@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de List-Id: Mailing list for the ISMS working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, comments based on draft-ietf-isms-secshell-07.txt: - Next to the changes implied by the other comments, the sshtmSessionNoAvailableSessions counter should be removed (not used). - In the security considerations, choose the appropriate boilerplate since there are now writable objects left (depending on the solution of other comments of course). /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ Isms mailing list Isms@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms From isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Jul 04 12:04:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I67L6-0006to-73; 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Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:04:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:04:08 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: isms@ietf.org Message-ID: <20070704160408.GG1834@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: isms@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at jacobs-university.de X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: Subject: [Isms] sshtm: responses over the same session X-BeenThere: isms@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de List-Id: Mailing list for the ISMS working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, comments based on draft-ietf-isms-secshell-07.txt: To solve this open issue, can we not simply mandate that responses must go over the same session over which a request was received without spelling out all the little details how this is accomplished (that is leave the 'how' to the implementors)? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ Isms mailing list Isms@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms From isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Jul 05 13:18:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I6UyB-0002Ft-16; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:18:19 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I6UyA-0002Et-Ec for isms@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:18:18 -0400 Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net ([62.241.162.32]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I6Uy9-0002it-RZ for isms@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:18:18 -0400 Received: from pc6 (1Cust189.tnt4.lnd4.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.133.189]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BE53E00077E; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:18:14 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <026b01c7bf1f$6cb5e5a0$0601a8c0@pc6> From: "tom.petch" To: "David Harrington" , References: <033d01c792c5$9154b9d0$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <000401c793e7$a5677de0$0601a8c0@pc6> <20070520192122.GB26568@elstar.local> <005601c79b7e$df8d1c20$0601a8c0@pc6> <023701c7b783$97511260$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> Subject: Re: [Isms] draft-ietf-isms-tmsm-08.txt Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:47:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 29dc808194f5fb921c09d0040806d6eb Cc: isms@ietf.org X-BeenThere: isms@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "tom.petch" List-Id: Mailing list for the ISMS working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org David You make a good argument - but I am not persuaded. I came across the split of authentication into two in the context of IETF Security Area WGs and later found a clear explanation thereof in RFC2858. Status Informational it may be but it fits in with what else I see in the Security Area and so, for me, trumps what I see, perhaps of higher status, from other areas. And this two-way split makes a lot of sense when I look at what TLS, SSH etc offer their upper layers as opposed to what SNMP USM or SMTP do. The issue of what a transport level security authenticates has surfaced before in isms with, as I recall, concern being expressed that authentication would be of some transport level entity and not the principal as it is in USM. So I am not persuaded that transport level security offers message level authentication. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Harrington" To: "'tom.petch'" ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:50 AM Subject: RE: [Isms] draft-ietf-isms-tmsm-08.txt > Hi, > > From Tom: "There are two types of authentication, data origin > authentication and peer > entity authentication [RFC2828/draft-shirey-secgloss]." > > Actually, there are more than just data origin authentication and peer > authentication. Merriam-Webster defines authentication this way: "to > prove or serve to prove the authenticity of document>". I added text to the Conventions section that says where > necessary for consistency with related documents, this document favors > terminology consistent with the IETF SNMPv3 Standard (STD62) rather > than the informational 'Internet Security Glossary' (RFC2828). > > USM achieved Proposed Standard Status in 1998, Draft Standard status > in 1999, and full Standard status in 2002. In comparison, RFC2828 is > an Informational document, and it was published AFTER USM had already > become a Draft Standard. The IESG decided it was not worth rewriting > all of the RFC341x series to be compatible with RFC2828. Even RFC2828 > recognizes that it is using the term authentication in a manner not > consistent with accepted English usage. Don't fault SNMP for using the > accepted English meaning just because RFC2828 decided after the fact > to use the same word to refer to only a subset of the legitimate > usage. > > We do not blur the meaning of authentication; RFC2828 does that > disservice just fine on its own. ;-) > > In SNMPv3, we "authenticate the message" - we attempt to prove the > authenticity of the message, not just the authenticity of the peer. > In SNMPv3, we authenticate the message partly by authenticating the > principal (the sender of the message, not the sender of the data), > using whatever authentication protocol has been configured to > authenticate that principal. We also verify that the message is > authentic by checking that the message has not been modified, we check > that the message contains a timestamp that is consistent with the > receiver's notion of the time at the message sender (within a time > window) to prevent replay, and for responses, SNMPv3 checks to see > whether we are awaiting a response. All of these go into the SNMPv3 > notion of "authenticating the message". > > We never explicitly authenticate the data or the original source of > the data; we may assume that the source of the data and the source of > the message are the same when contextEngineID == securityEngineID, but > we never authenticate the contextEngineID, and we do not pass a > contextSecurityName to identify the principal providing the data, and > we provide no mechanisms for authenticating the data contained in the > PDU, only the message that contains the PDU. > > When doing the "proxy forwarder" application described in RFC3413, the > trust relationship is considered transitive, and the PDU (including > the contextEngineID) is never modified by a compliant proxy forwarder. > So, if A has a trust relationship with B, and B has a trust > relationship with C, and C has a trust relationship with D, and each > node verifies the authenticity of the message received from its peer, > then a message from A to B to C to D can be deemed to be "authentic". > > In SNMPv3, we deliberately identified the threats that must be > mitigated, but we did not specify HOW different security mechanisms > needed to mitigate the threats; the modular architecture is designed > to permit different security models, and different security > mechanisms, and accepts that different models and mechanisms might > perform threat mitigation in different ways. > > SNMPv3 recognizes two general categories of security services - > authentication of the message, and encryption of all or part of the > message. Verifying the integrity of the message, verifying the > timeliness or in-order-ness of the message, and authenticating the > sending principal are all considered part of "authenticating the > message". > > We want to have the discussions about what threats SSH (or any other > secure transport) should mitigate when used with SNMP, and whether > there are specific operational considerations to ensure that the > threat is not inadvertently not mitigated (e.g., recommend not using > options to not check integrity, or to not authenticate the user). > > SSH adequately provides mitigation for the security threats that > RFC3411 identifies as threats to SNMP, even though SSH uses a > different model and mechanisms to provide that mitigation than USM. > SSH authenticates the "user" (the source of the message, not > necessarily the source of the data), and it checks for message > integrity and message replay. It does NOT check for receipt within a > time window (to my knowledge); I believe it requires in-order delivery > to prevent replay. Rather than checking user authenticity for every > message, it performs user authentication once and holds that the > authentication remains true as long as the connection is not > interrupted - i.e., the session exchange hash remains unchanged. > > We do not want to get into discussions of these details of how SSH > works - that should be done by the SSH mechanisms used to provide > "message authentication". The RFC3411 architecture and the SNMPv3 > message processing model are pretty clear about the fact they do not > know about the details of the security models or the authentication > mechanisms; the data in the msgSecurityParameters of the SNMPv3 > message are only examined by the security model, and it asserts that > the message has been "proved" authentic. > > The SSH authentication protocol (RFC4252 "The Secure Shell (SSH) > Authentication Protocol") describes how message authentication is done > - by relying on message integrity and confidentiality services of the > lower layer transport, by using a session hash, and tying the peer > authetication to the session hash. We do not want to prevent the use > of new authentication mechanisms for SSH by over-describing how > "authenticating the message" is expected to be done, or how peer > authentication is performed, or what assumptions are utilized in the > secure transport protocol. We should not add rules to TMSM about the > user authentication being valid only as long as the underlying > transport connection remains; that is a design choice of some secure > transport authentication mechanisms (like SSH-USER-AUTH) that may not > always be true for all secure transport authentication mechanisms in > the future. > > SNMP already has more than enough CLRs without inventing new ones > here. > > dbh > > _______________________________________________ Isms mailing list Isms@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms From isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Jul 09 13:15:06 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I7wpG-0006af-PD; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:15:06 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I7wpE-0006a2-2W; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:15:04 -0400 Received: from ns1.neustar.com ([2001:503:c779:1a::9c9a:108a]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I7wpD-00060l-Pg; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:15:04 -0400 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns1.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A6226E90; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:15:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I7wpC-00047S-S5; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:15:03 -0400 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:15:02 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Cc: isms@ietf.org Subject: [Isms] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-isms-transport-security-model-05.txt X-BeenThere: isms@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the ISMS working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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This draft is a work item of the Integrated Security Model for SNMP Working Group of the IETF. Title : Transport Subsystem for the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) Author(s) : D. Harrington, J. Schoenwaelder Filename : draft-ietf-isms-tmsm-09.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2007-7-9 This document defines a Transport Subsystem, extending the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) architecture defined in RFC 3411. This document defines a subsystem to contain Transport Models, comparable to other subsystems in the RFC3411 architecture. As work is being done to expand the transport to include secure transport such as SSH and TLS, using a subsystem will enable consistent design and modularity of such Transport Models. This document identifies and describes some key aspects that need to be considered for any Transport Model for SNMP. 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To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-7-9121352.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-isms-tmsm-09.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-isms-tmsm-09.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-7-9121352.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Isms mailing list Isms@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms --NextPart-- From isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Jul 09 13:15:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I7wq4-0007x0-AH; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:15:56 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I7wpx-0007nv-Qz; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:15:49 -0400 Received: from ns4.neustar.com ([156.154.24.139]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I7wpx-00052G-JV; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:15:49 -0400 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns4.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA0D2AC8F; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:15:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I7wpD-00047V-91; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:15:03 -0400 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:15:03 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b280b4db656c3ca28dd62e5e0b03daa8 Cc: isms@ietf.org Subject: [Isms] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-isms-secshell-08.txt X-BeenThere: isms@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the ISMS working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Integrated Security Model for SNMP Working Group of the IETF. Title : Secure Shell Transport Model for SNMP Author(s) : J. Salowey, D. Harrington Filename : draft-ietf-isms-secshell-08.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2007-7-9 This memo describes a Transport Model for the Simple Network Management Protocol, using the Secure Shell protocol. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-isms-secshell-08.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-isms-secshell-08.txt". 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-7-9122845.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-isms-secshell-08.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-isms-secshell-08.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-7-9122845.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Isms mailing list Isms@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms --NextPart-- From isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Jul 17 16:03:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IAtGQ-0007hq-UR; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:03:18 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IAtGN-0007hc-CI for isms@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:03:15 -0400 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IAtGJ-0005tm-VJ for isms@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:03:15 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.144] (HSI-KBW-085-216-081-102.hsi.kabelbw.de [85.216.81.102]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3810C13CF81 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:03:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:03:08 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: isms@ietf.org Message-ID: <9C97E9B4CF5EA17CDC2B11EA@juergen-quitteks-computer.local> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: Subject: [Isms] ISMS draft agenda X-BeenThere: isms@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the ISMS working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Dear all, Please find the draft agenda for our session next week at . 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Thanks, Juergen -- Juergen Quittek quittek@netlab.nec.de Tel: +49 6221 4342-115 NEC Europe Limited, Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.netlab.nec.de Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL, UK Registered in England 2832014 _______________________________________________ Isms mailing list Isms@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms From isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Jul 18 09:15:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IB9NP-0005SI-KR; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:15:35 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IB9NM-0005Rv-0S for isms@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:15:32 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IB9NJ-0001X3-Jt for isms@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:15:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209B02000186 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:15:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c1XWjY9+p4Gn for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:15:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx1.office (mx1.office [10.1.1.23]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ABC32000178 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:15:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 10.1.1.104 ([10.1.1.104]) by mx1.office ([10.1.1.23]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:15:23 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:15:21 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: ISMS WG Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Working Group Last Call on three documents Thread-Index: AcfJPbFp8A+m3TUwEdyr2gAWy4a5Gw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Cc: Subject: [Isms] Working Group Last Call on three documents X-BeenThere: isms@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the ISMS working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: isms-bounces@lists.ietf.org Dear all, This is the working group last call on all of our three current working group documents - Transport Subsystem for the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) - Transport Security Model for SNMP draft-ietf-isms-transport-security-model-05.txt - Secure Shell Transport Model for SNMP draft-ietf-isms-secshell-08.txt The authors and the chairs think that these document are mature enough for WGLC. The first two already passed a first WGLC, but there were many comments and changes since then. They should be reviewed once more. Because we have the IETF meeting ahead and people are already busy with reviewing many other drafts, the WGLC will last more than the usual two weeks. Please do review these document and post your comments on this list until August 10, 2007. Please also post to the list if you have read one of the documents and are fine with it as it is. It is very useful to know how many people have read the document. Thanks, Juergen Q. -- Juergen Quittek quittek@netlab.nec.de Tel: +49 6221 4342-115 NEC Europe Limited, Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.netlab.nec.de Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL, UK Registered in England 2832014 _______________________________________________ Isms mailing list Isms@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms