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If so I'll go > >> > through the changes and review it... > > > > no, i just modified editorial and some changed what we should. > > Okay, so which issues from Issue List #6 that are waiting for a draft > revision have yet to make it into a draft? It looked like all the > issues were just waiting for a new draft. Does draft #7 actually > address all of those issues? draft-07 was mainly for editorial issues. > If yes, then I think it's time to WGLC. If not, when should we expect > a new draft with the agreed upon changes? We are planning draft-08 at this Friday, which should address all issues currently listed. Current editing version (which is near -08) is available here: Best regards and thank you for your patience, -- KAMADA Ken'ichi From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Thu Jul 07 04:38:24 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DqRto-0002IP-K0 for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 04:38:24 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA12331 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 04:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j678ZrCW080247; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:35:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j678ZrIH080246; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:35:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from papa.tanu.org (kame195.kame.net [203.178.141.195]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j678ZqwQ080223 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:35:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sakane@kame.net) Received: from localhost (cp.64translator.com [202.214.123.2]) by papa.tanu.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j678SHH6051727 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:28:20 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from sakane@kame.net) To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-kink-kink-07.txt In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 05 Jul 2005 12:55:26 -0400" References: X-Mailer: Cue version 0.8 (050427-2145/sakane) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20050707173537K.sakane@kame.net> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:35:37 +0900 From: Shoichi Sakane X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 19 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on papa.tanu.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, > Okay, so which issues from Issue List #6 that are waiting for a draft > revision have yet to make it into a draft? It looked like all the > issues were just waiting for a new draft. Does draft #7 actually > address all of those issues? > > If yes, then I think it's time to WGLC. If not, when should we expect > a new draft with the agreed upon changes? > > Regardless, we should get a new issues list based on draft-07, unless > you plan a draft-08 in the near future. #7 is not yet, but I am going to post the next version #8 soon (probably tomorrow or the day after tomorrow). #8 fixes all issues in the Issue List. But english grammer issues and expression issues are remained. So it is helpful to review #8 in these point of view. When they will be fixed, then I will post #9. it will be the WGLC version. From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Sat Jul 09 08:08:57 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DrE8f-0004VO-Ot for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 08:08:57 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA26037 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 08:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j69C67sA061205; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:06:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j69C67C3061204; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:06:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from papa.tanu.org (kame195.kame.net [203.178.141.195]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j69C66um061189 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:06:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sakane@kame.net) Received: from localhost (ZH094213.ppp.dion.ne.jp [222.3.94.213]) by papa.tanu.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j69BvqH6071988 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:57:52 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from sakane@kame.net) To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-kink-kink-07.txt In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:35:37 +0900" <20050707173537K.sakane@kame.net> References: <20050707173537K.sakane@kame.net> X-Mailer: Cue version 0.8 (050427-2145/sakane) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20050709210604B.sakane@kame.net> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 21:06:04 +0900 From: Shoichi Sakane X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 10 Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I am sorry that posting the next draft is delay due to the network trouble where there is my repository server. I will post it as soon as possible after the trouble will be solved. > #7 is not yet, but I am going to post the next version #8 soon > (probably tomorrow or the day after tomorrow). > #8 fixes all issues in the Issue List. But english grammer issues > and expression issues are remained. So it is helpful to review #8 > in these point of view. When they will be fixed, then I will post #9. > it will be the WGLC version. From gunless@emailaccount.com Sat Jul 09 18:49:48 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DrO8q-0003f2-Ae for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:49:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA00871 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:49:44 -0400 (EDT) From: gunless@emailaccount.com Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DrOaV-0006Er-J9 for kink-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:18:24 -0400 Received: from c90673cd.virtua.com.br ([201.6.115.205]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1DrO8l-0002Ev-BI for kink-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:49:46 -0400 Received: from OTJNZdoqj.com (EHLO adyje-a.checksummed.DS.tbt.net) sill by mail.mtk.nao.ac.jp (8.7[2 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:49:46 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 3.7 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 2eba37fe9c77781b0ecb0a74d8c65128 From goheen@doramail.com Sun Jul 10 05:52:40 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DrYUK-0001HM-QG; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:52:40 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA20725; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:52:38 -0400 (EDT) From: goheen@doramail.com Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DrYw5-0008OP-PY; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:21:22 -0400 Received: from [58.72.227.81] (helo=PC71) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1DrYUH-00031n-Td; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:52:38 -0400 Received: from KHTMOifhj.com (EHLO avpgd-a.clock.IS.uyc.net) ndjamena by mail.mtk.nao.ac.jp (2.8[2 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:52:38 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 2eba37fe9c77781b0ecb0a74d8c65128 From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Sun Jul 10 18:53:14 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Drkfi-0003rA-8K for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:53:14 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA00202 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6AMoQod003386; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:50:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j6AMoQEk003385; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:50:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from papa.tanu.org (kame195.kame.net [203.178.141.195]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6AMoOFq003379 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:50:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sakane@kame.net) Received: from localhost (ZH094213.ppp.dion.ne.jp [222.3.94.213]) by papa.tanu.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6AMfdH6079865 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:41:42 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from sakane@kame.net) To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Subject: draft-ietf-kink-kink-08.txt X-Mailer: Cue version 0.8 (050427-2145/sakane) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20050711075020J.sakane@kame.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:50:20 +0900 From: Shoichi Sakane X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 17 Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I posted the version 08. You can get it from http://www.taca.jp/kink/draft-ietf-kink-kink-08.txt although the i-d manager will send the copy to this mailing list. regards, > I am sorry that posting the next draft is delay due to the network > trouble where there is my repository server. > I will post it as soon as possible after the trouble will be solved. > > > #7 is not yet, but I am going to post the next version #8 soon > > (probably tomorrow or the day after tomorrow). > > #8 fixes all issues in the Issue List. But english grammer issues > > and expression issues are remained. So it is helpful to review #8 > > in these point of view. 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From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Mon Jul 11 18:54:00 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ds7A0-000231-Ln for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:54:00 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28582 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6BMo3Gd094983; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j6BMo3qQ094981; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:50:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from newodin.ietf.org ([132.151.6.50]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6BMo2J0094975 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlee@newodin.ietf.org) Received: from mlee by newodin.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ds76A-0008Os-4A; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:50:02 -0400 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-kink@vpnc.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-kink-kink-08.txt Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:50:02 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2005-7-11170219.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-kink-kink-08.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-kink-kink-08.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2005-7-11170219.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Mon Jul 11 18:57:10 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ds7D2-0002bd-6x for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:57:10 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA29106 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6BMrhVx095296; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:53:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j6BMrh8V095295; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:53:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from papa.tanu.org (kame195.kame.net [203.178.141.195]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6BMrfJw095286 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sakane@kame.net) Received: from localhost (ZH094213.ppp.dion.ne.jp [222.3.94.213]) by papa.tanu.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6BMidH6090139 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:44:39 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from sakane@kame.net) To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Subject: Re: Meeting in Paris? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 05 Jul 2005 12:58:18 -0400" References: X-Mailer: Cue version 0.8 (050427-2145/sakane) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20050712075336H.sakane@kame.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:53:36 +0900 From: Shoichi Sakane X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 10 Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: > I'm not sure if we need a meeting in Paris. I'm going to request a > small slot, but unless members feel a face-to-face is warranted I'll > just plan to cancel the slot. > > If you feel we need a face-to-face to work through any open issues, > please let me know ASAP. I don't think that a slot is necessary. all items in the issue list are applyed to the draft 08 though the status is not updated yet. I believe that any big issue will not come out from review. From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Mon Jul 11 23:38:59 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DsBbn-00005i-JW for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:38:59 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA21685 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6C3ZoGd022331; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:35:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j6C3Zore022330; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:35:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from carter-zimmerman.mit.edu (carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org [69.25.196.178]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6C3Zm3d022324 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:35:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hartmans@mit.edu) Received: by carter-zimmerman.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 20B5CE0049; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:35:41 -0400 (EDT) To: Derek Atkins Cc: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Subject: Re: Meeting in Paris? References: From: Sam Hartman Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:35:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Derek Atkins's message of "Tue, 05 Jul 2005 12:58:18 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I'd like to ask you to cancel soon (tomorrow unless someone speaks up). It will make scheduling easier. I too do not believe a meeting is needed. From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Tue Jul 12 12:54:30 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DsO1d-0005cT-U3 for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:54:30 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA15572 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6CGpFbH057137; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:51:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j6CGpFBV057136; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:51:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from cliodev.pgp.com (table.pgp.com [63.251.255.85] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6CGpCpV057123 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:51:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from warlord@MIT.EDU) Received: from cliodev.pgp.com (cliodev.pgp.com [127.0.0.1]) by cliodev.pgp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CGp2Z7017175; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:51:02 -0400 Received: (from warlord@localhost) by cliodev.pgp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j6CGp1gl017172; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:51:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: cliodev.pgp.com: warlord set sender to warlord@MIT.EDU using -f From: Derek Atkins To: Sam Hartman Cc: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Subject: Last chance to speak up! (was Re: Meeting in Paris?) References: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:51:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Sam Hartman's message of "Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:35:40 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Will-do. I figured it would be better to request the slot and then cancel this week than not get the slot and determine that we needed to meet. Unless someone speaks up in the next 8ish hours I will cancel the KINK meeting. -derek Sam Hartman writes: > I'd like to ask you to cancel soon (tomorrow unless someone speaks > up). It will make scheduling easier. 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----T9mPq7gpRKS8hc00sN5-- From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Fri Jul 15 03:13:31 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DtKO3-0004im-05 for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:13:31 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA09052 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6F79h7A082533; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:09:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j6F79hW4082532; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:09:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from papa.tanu.org (kame195.kame.net [203.178.141.195]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6F79fk0082513 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:09:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sakane@kame.net) Received: from localhost (cp.64translator.com [202.214.123.2]) by papa.tanu.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6F6xYH6026137 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:59:34 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from sakane@kame.net) To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Subject: Re: draft-ietf-kink-kink-08.txt In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:50:20 +0900" <20050711075020J.sakane@kame.net> References: <20050711075020J.sakane@kame.net> X-Mailer: Cue version 0.8 (050427-2145/sakane) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20050715160829W.sakane@kame.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:08:29 +0900 From: Shoichi Sakane X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 23 Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: ISAKMP Delete payload can not indicate direction of SA. The section 3.3 should describe that the payload contain which direction of SA. 3.3. DELETE Message Flow The DELETE command deletes existing SAs. The DOI specific payloads describe the actual SA to be deleted. For the IPSEC DOI, those payloads will include an ISAKMP payload containing the SPI to be deleted in each direction. I would like to add the following text to clear it. The ISAKMP payload contains ISAKMP Delete payload(s) which is indicated to the inbound SA for the initiator of this flow. KINK does not allow half-open SAs, thus when the responder receives a DELETE command, it MUST delete SAs of both sides, and MUST reply with ISAKMP Delete Payload which is also indicated to the inbound SA for the responder of this flow. If the receiver cannot find an appropriate SPI to be deleted, it MUST return an ISAKMP notification with INVALID_SPI, which also serves to inform the initiator that it can delete the inbound SA. From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Mon Jul 18 04:16:37 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DuQnl-00019X-LU for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 04:16:37 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA20000 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 04:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6I8EGZ1070497; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:14:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j6I8EGfE070496; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:14:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from pc-p1-informatica.net (69.Red-213-97-128.pooles.rima-tde.net [213.97.128.69]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id j6I8EFos070399 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:14:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jtrostle@cisco.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:13:20 +0000 To: "Ietf-kink" From: "Jtrostle" Subject: Re: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--------lwbpeooasygifjjbefwr" Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: ----------lwbpeooasygifjjbefwr Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed" +----------------------------------------------------+ Panda GateDefender has detected malicious content (Virus) in the following file: [Garry.cpl] W32/Bagle.AH.worm The file has been deleted to protect the network. 07/18/2005 08:07 +0100 www.pandasoftware.com +----------------------------------------------------+ ----------lwbpeooasygifjjbefwr Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Predators

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You can get it from http://www.taca.jp/kink/draft-ietf-kink-kink-09.txt I think that this is nearly final version. 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This draft is a work item of the Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys Working Group of the IETF. Title : Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK) Author(s) : S. Sakane, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-kink-kink-09.txt Pages : 41 Date : 2005-7-20 This document describes the Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK) protocol. KINK defines a low-latency, computationally inexpensive, easily managed, and cryptographically sound protocol to establish and maintain security associations using the Kerberos authentication system. KINK reuses the Quick Mode payloads of the Internet Key Exchange (IKE), which should lead to substantial reuse of existing IKE implementations. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-kink-kink-09.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2005-7-20120356.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-kink-kink-09.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-kink-kink-09.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2005-7-20120356.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From nobody@ns.ciclife.co.kr Wed Jul 20 16:49:48 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DvLVk-0005Le-BF for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:49:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA18942 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [211.38.210.129] (helo=ns.ciclife.co.kr) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DvLzd-0006LX-PC for kink-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:20:42 -0400 Received: from ns.ciclife.co.kr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ns.ciclife.co.kr (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6KKnbAX023208 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:49:37 +0900 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by ns.ciclife.co.kr (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id j6KKnbQg023206; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:49:37 +0900 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:49:37 +0900 Message-Id: <200507202049.j6KKnbQg023206@ns.ciclife.co.kr> To: kink-archive@ietf.org Subject: update your account online From: "Service@Sky-bank.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ns.ciclife.co.kr id j6KKnbAX023208 X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 093efd19b5f651b2707595638f6c4003 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sky Online Personal Banking

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From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Fri Jul 22 05:18:52 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DvtgC-0005wv-Bx for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:18:52 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA24860 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6M9C0Ke040964; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 02:12:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j6M9C0BS040963; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 02:12:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from nasten.nanohz.org (usen-220x218x5x242.ap-US00.usen.ad.jp [220.218.5.242]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6M9Bx24040942 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 02:11:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kamada@nanohz.org) Received: from nasten.nanohz.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nasten.nanohz.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE3F5E for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:11:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from mitana.nanohz.org ([2001:240:2:0:202:8aff:fefa:bec0]) by nasten.nanohz.org (smtpsugar 1.1) with ESMTPA id 3pjxG7; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:11:57 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:12:54 +0900 Message-ID: <20050722181254BT%kamada@nanohz.org> From: "KAMADA Ken'ichi" To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Subject: Retransmitting a command with different tickets User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.7 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Sanj=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.0.50 (i386-unknown-netbsdelf3.99.3) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: The current draft says nothing about retransmitting a command with different service tickets. I think we should forbid it, how do you think of it? When a KINK initiator sends a command and the command or its reply is dropped, the initiator retransmits the command. If the initiator renews a service ticket between the first and second transmission, some careless implementations may use different tickets. In that case, some problems may occur. Problem example: If the initiator retransmit the command with the new ticket, the responder may receive the same command with different keys. The responder doesn't know which reply (the reply to the first command or the second one) will get to the initiator, thus doesn't know which key should be used to generate KEYMAT. Another problem: If the initiator detects the ticket renewal and aborts the transaction, the initiator and the responder go out of sync. That is, the initiator thinks the transaction was failed, but the responder may think the transaction was successful. To deal with this problem, the KINK spec need to prohibit a retransmission with a different ticket. Then, how the initiator's behavior should be defined? - Before a transaction, the initiator should check the lifetime of the ticket and avoid near-end-of-life (e.g. shorter lifetime than full retransmission cycle) ticket. - The initiator must continue to use the same ticket in a transaction even if it notices the lifetime is expired. - Leave the behavior to implementations. In this case, some implementation hints may be necessary to avoid above problems. - any other ideas? Regards, -- KAMADA Ken'ichi From nobody@ns.ciclife.co.kr Sat Jul 23 02:00:47 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DwD42-0008P7-VT for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:00:47 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA12443 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [211.38.210.129] (helo=ns.ciclife.co.kr) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DwDYQ-0000NP-8x for kink-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:32:11 -0400 Received: from ns.ciclife.co.kr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ns.ciclife.co.kr (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6N60CAX008646 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:00:12 +0900 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by ns.ciclife.co.kr (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id j6N60Cwd008644; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:00:12 +0900 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:00:12 +0900 Message-Id: <200507230600.j6N60Cwd008644@ns.ciclife.co.kr> To: kink-archive@ietf.org Subject: update your account From: "Service@Sky-bank.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ns.ciclife.co.kr id j6N60CAX008646 X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 093efd19b5f651b2707595638f6c4003 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sky Online Personal Banking

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Sky Technology Resources, = Inc.

Copyr= ight =A9 2005 Sky Financial Group, Inc.

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I think we should forbid it, how do you > > think of it? [snip] > > To deal with this problem, the KINK spec need to prohibit a > > retransmission with a different ticket. Then, how the initiator's > > behavior should be defined? > > > > - Before a transaction, the initiator should check the lifetime of the > > ticket and avoid near-end-of-life (e.g. shorter lifetime than full > > retransmission cycle) ticket. > > This seems reasonable: how about "the initiator MUST obtain > a ticket whose lifetime MUST be greater than the initiator's > maximum transaction time including timeouts". Thanks. I'll add the following paragraph into the section 9. When a KINK peer retransmits a command, it MUST use the same ticket within the retransmissions. This is to avoid race conditions on using different keys, which result in different KEYMATs between a initiator and a responder. For this reason, the initiator MUST obtain a ticket whose lifetime MUST be greater than the initiator's maximum transaction time including timeouts. -- KAMADA Ken'ichi From Wagner@lottos.com.au Wed Jul 27 19:18:47 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DxvAl-00087a-1l; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:18:47 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA15146; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpe-70-93-165-207.socal.res.rr.com ([70.93.165.207] helo=cnnsi.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dxvfr-00072Q-Mg; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:51:10 -0400 From: "Dee See" To: "Cote Jonathan" Subject: Re[4]: talk thread about her tablets Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:18:32 -0100 Message-ID: <309001c59301$0b31cf76$54007977@cnnsi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_89AB_CDEF0123.456789AB" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 562cdc9baa87554b29d950396a30cf75 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_89AB_CDEF0123.456789AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Expe ce thr es lon gas rien ee tim ger or ms Wor de shi g wit hou ld Wi ppin hin 24 rs SP -M UR The we and Saf Wa Ph acy is Ne st The est y of arm Inc e Yo xual Des Spe ume by % reas ur Se ire and rm vol 500 100 ural and de Eff - in con t to wel wn bra % Nat No Si ects tras l-kno nds. 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From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Thu Jul 28 20:58:53 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DyJDB-0002GH-If for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:58:53 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA10902 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6T0sIqh068284; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:54:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j6T0sIIF068283; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:54:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from nasten.nanohz.org (usen-220x218x5x242.ap-US00.usen.ad.jp [220.218.5.242]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6T0sHaJ068277 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:54:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kamada@nanohz.org) Received: from nasten.nanohz.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nasten.nanohz.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94125; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:54:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from mitana.nanohz.org ([2001:240:2:0:202:8aff:fefa:bec0]) by nasten.nanohz.org (smtpsugar 1.1) with ESMTPA id 1ZbwqT; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:54:16 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:55:20 +0900 Message-ID: <20050729095520BW%kamada@nanohz.org> From: "KAMADA Ken'ichi" To: hartmans-ietf@mit.edu, ietf-kink@vpnc.org Subject: Re: Retransmitting a command with different tickets In-Reply-To: References: <20050722181254BT%kamada@nanohz.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.7 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Sanj=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.0.50 (i386-unknown-netbsdelf3.99.7) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: At Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:43:20 -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > Presumably the correct behavior is to start a new transaction with the > new ticket? Yes, I also thought that is the most straight forward. But, to do so, the initiator needs to tell the responder that the old transaction was canceled. Consider the case that the ticket is not expired at the first transmission of a command, and the reply was dropped. In such case, the responder think the transaction was successful, but the initiator starts a new transaction. As a result, the responder will have two pairs of SAs. To inform the responder the cancel, we have some candidate way. 1) The initiator makes the responder notice the expire, by sending the old ticket. If it is failed with KRB_AP_ERR_TKT_EXPIRED, the initiators start a new transaction. (This is the second proposal of my original mail). I pretty like this because this doesn't require the implementation to do any extra thing. This just requires the initiator *not* to check the expiration. But I have a concern that we can't do this with the MIT library because of krb5_validate_times() in krb5_mk_req_extended(). 2) The initiator sends a DELETE command. (This is precisely not a cancel, but trying to delete the discarded SPIs just in case). I don't like this because this introduces a new race condition and needs some description to avoid it. 3) Prepare a message to cancel a transaction in the KINK spec. (a new message, an ACK message with an error payload, or something). (I know the kink-00 had an "unexpected ACK" indicating errors). 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