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COPYRIGHT: contains the copyright. doc/ : specification, usage and memo. samples/ : configuration samples. lib/ : source files related to the library, libracoon.a kinkd/ : files related to the KINK daemon. iked/ : files related to the IKE daemon. spmd/ : files related to the SPM daemon. pskgen/ : files related to pskgen(8) o What is the Racoon2 ? The Racoon2 is a system to exchange and to install security parameters for the IPsec. This is provided by the Racoon2 Project in the WIDE Project, Japan. The project aims to provide the IPsec system for FreeBSD, NetBSD and Linux. There are some projects doing like that in the Internet community. We do not have any thought to compete with these communities. We rather like to collaborate with them though there is a language barrier. Currently the system supports the following specification: Internet Key Exchange (IKEv2) Protocol draft-ietf-ipsec-ikev2-17.txt draft-eronen-ipsec-ikev2-clarifications-06.txt Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK) draft-ietf-kink-kink-07.txt Note that the KINK protocol is work in progress, and changes which are incompatible with -07 are planned. When such changes are performed, the racoon2 KINK daemon will track the changes and *no care* for compatibilities with older racoon2 will taken. PF_KEY Key Management API, Version 2 RFC2367 The following protocols will be supported soon. The Internet Key Exchange (IKE) RFC2409 The system provides three daemons: iked, kinkd and spmd. Each daemon manages IKE, KINK and IPsec Policy respectively. o What features will the Racoon2 support ? Here is the list of features that we think to implement in a future. This is not complete list. This may be changed with no announcing. - English documentation. - IKEv2: configuration payload (mode-config) in iked. - SHISA support (WIDE MIP6 Implementation on *BSD) in iked. - MIPL support (MIP6 Implementation on Linux) in iked. - To follow the updates of the I-D of KINK. - Support for tunnel mode SAs in both iked and kinkd. - Support gracefully rekeying. - Configuration file converter from racoon1. - Easy configuration tool. - IKEv1 support in iked. o What is The Racoon2 system structure ? There are three daemons in the Racoon2 system. The following picture indicates the relationship between the daemons in the system. You have to run "spmd" AND one protocol daemon to exchange IPsec SAs. +--------+ +--------+ | iked |--(spmif)--+ +--(spmif)--| kinkd | +--------+ | | +--------+ | +--------+ | | | spmd | | | +--------+ | | | | | | | --(PFKEY)------------(PFKEY)-----------(PFKEY)-- | | | | | | +---------------------------------------------+ | Kernel | +---------------------------------------------+ "spmd" is the IPsec policy management daemon. It has two missions. First one is to manage IPsec policies. "spmd" will install IPsec policies and delete them from the kernel. It uses PF_KEYv2 for this purpose. Another is to cache the mapping table between IP addresses and FQDNs for KINK processing. "iked" processes the IKE protocol. It initiates the protocol, and processes the packet from the remote system. Then it installs IPsec SAs into the kernel by using PF_KEYv2. It also requests "spmd" to install IPsec policies if necessary by using "spmif" which is an abbreviation of spmd interface. Currently it only supports IKE version 2. "kinkd" is similar to "iked" except that it processes the KINK protocol. Current kinkd supports draft-ietf-kink-kink-06.txt, and newer revisions of this draft is expected to be incompatible with this version. When a newer draft (or RFC) is published, kinkd will follow it, and the support for older version will be dropped. o What is the difference from "previous racoon" ? "previous racoon" only supports IKEv1 [RFC2409]. The Racoon2 supports both IKEv2 and KINK, will also support IKEv1. The configuration is completely different because the Racoon2 system supports multiple key exchange protocols. o Contact Points If you have any question about the Racoon2, you can ask to the mailing list: racoon2@kame.net You should not ask them to other mailing lists like "racoon@kame.net", "kame-snap@kame.net", or "ipsec-tools-users@lists.sourceforge.net". If you want to help us or if you want to contribute, please contact us. It is welcome to give us any patch, any suggestion and any help. In particular, to check English documentations is very helpful for us. We are planning to dedicate the web site of the Racoon2 project and to provide the cvsweb to access the repository soon. o Copyright Basically this kit follows the BSD-like copyright. See the file: COPYRIGHT. In short, the code is freely available but with no warranty. The copyright holder is WIDE Project instead of the Racoon2 Project. This is because the Racoon2 Project belongs to the one of the working groups in the WIDE Project. o IPR consideration The Racoon2 Project takes no position regarding the validity or scope of any intellectual property rights or other rights that might be claimed to pertain to the implementation or use of the technology used in the Racoon2, or the extent to which any license under such rights might or might not be available; nor does it represent that it has made any independent effort to identify any such rights. 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KINK restricts the ID types that are defined by section 4.6.2.1 of [IPDOI], to the following values: From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Wed Nov 16 14:44:12 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcTCW-0003gr-Bh for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:44:12 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19756 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAGJdAE9043682; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:39:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id jAGJdAGu043681; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:39:10 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAGJd7WG043672 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:39:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from warlord@MIT.EDU) Received: from cliodev.pgp.com (unknown [63.251.255.85]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869A9BD837F; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by cliodev.pgp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id jAGJcurQ010154; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:38:56 -0500 From: Derek Atkins To: Shoichi Sakane Cc: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Subject: Re: request to progress draft-ietf-kink-kink-10 References: <20051116162734Q.sakane@kame.net> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:38:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20051116162734Q.sakane@kame.net> (Shoichi Sakane's message of "Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:27:34 +0900") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, I believe that both of these are editorial changes, so we can apply them as an RFC Editor Note. 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So it should change into the following text. > > KINK restricts the ID types that are defined by section > 4.6.2.1 of [IPDOI], to the following values: > > > -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Wed Nov 16 23:45:45 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ecbeb-0000p3-B6 for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:45:45 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA26696 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:45:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAH4gec7099291; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:42:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id jAH4gefn099290; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:42:40 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from carter-zimmerman.mit.edu (carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org [69.25.196.178]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAH4ga1s099266 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:42:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hartmans@mit.edu) Received: by carter-zimmerman.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 30BA5E0070; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:42:29 -0500 (EST) To: Derek Atkins Cc: Shoichi Sakane , ietf-kink@vpnc.org Subject: Re: request to progress draft-ietf-kink-kink-10 References: <20051116162734Q.sakane@kame.net> From: Sam Hartman Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:42:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Derek Atkins's message of "Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:38:55 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: >>>>> "Derek" == Derek Atkins writes: Derek> can insert them ourselves, but right now we are "done". 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C5EF8B.760D4180-- From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Tue Nov 22 19:18:26 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeiLC-00042x-Ev for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:18:26 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA06734 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAMNB8F1038113; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:11:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id jAMNB8GG038112; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:11:08 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from carter-zimmerman.mit.edu (carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org [69.25.196.178]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAMNB7JI038104 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:11:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hartmans@mit.edu) Received: by carter-zimmerman.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 8042) id BA514E0074; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:11:00 -0500 (EST) To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Subject: Sending kink to IETF last call From: Sam Hartman Message-Id: <20051122231100.BA514E0074@carter-zimmerman.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:11:00 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi. I reviewed kink 10. I'm really impressed at all the work that has gone into this version and the previous versions. I appreciate the working group's efforts in working with me to resolve my comments. I realize it was frustrating, but I think we have an excellent spec to bring to the IESG. I'm going to send kink for an ietf last call. If we're lucky we may have IESG approval by the end of the year. I do have two comments. The first is regarding section 10. Is the advice there actually true? Just because I have a keytab doesn't mean others won't be using u2u. I'd like to propose removing this section. Also, I seem to recall that Kink is actually implemented. I'm a bit confused how that works. As far as I know neither MIT nor Heimdal actually ship something that implements an RFC 3961 PRF. Did the Kink implementation include its own version of the 3961 PRF? 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------=_NextPart_001_0001_FDDC69CD.BE72C464-- ------=_NextPart_000_0000_2DF15C84.0C41CAFB-- From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Tue Nov 29 13:47:29 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhAVk-0000Zo-V0 for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:47:29 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18709 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:46:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jATIfgZX064537; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:41:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id jATIfglu064536; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:41:42 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jATIffUh064530 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:41:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nw141292@binky.Central.Sun.COM) Received: from centralmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM ([129.147.62.1]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jATIffdK000925 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:41:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (binky.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.104]) by centralmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id jATIfe5M012928 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:41:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATIfdci019466; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:41:39 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3/Submit) id jATIfcdn019465; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:41:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:41:38 -0600 From: Nicolas Williams To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Cc: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov, ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK)' to Proposed Standard (fwd) Message-ID: <20051129184138.GC17884@binky.Central.Sun.COM> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov, ietf@ietf.org References: <541E2F6964443FE48495C910@bistromath.pc.cs.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <541E2F6964443FE48495C910@bistromath.pc.cs.cmu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Comments: - Rekeying " 3.6. Rekeying Security Associations KINK requires the initiator of an SA to be responsible for rekeying the SA. ... " First, "requires" isn't proper RFC2119 terminology, and proper RFC2119 terminology in this regard is missing in that section. This would be fine, except that... ...second, since KINK allows for user-to-user Kerberos V exchanges I see no reason that responders couldn't, if they wanted to, act as initiators, so there's a question, I think, as to whether responders are simply not allowed to do that or merely expected to not do that. Or did I miss something else? Third, even if responders typically could not act as initiators (say, for implementation-specific issues), one might still want some notification that an SA has expired and traffic needs it to be rekeyed. Looking at the minutes from IETF62 I see that there was concern about having servers do the u2u dance, but when re-keying the server knows that it's had an SA with a particular peer and so I think the DoS concern goes away. - Section 5.3 limits the IDs that can be used with KINK to address/subnet/address range IDs. I think this is too limited, it seems likely to make KINK very difficult to use. I'd rather that a new ID type be defined that corresponds to Kerberos V principal names and/or that ID_FQDN and ID_RFC822_ADDR be allowed and a simple algorithm be recommended for matching principals and such IDs. In any case, much too little is said about IDs, and while what is said may be appropriate for a doc defining a KE protocol, unless a profile doc is to follow it that specifies such details... how is one to use this KE? Local/distributed configuration of principal<->IDs seems hard to deal with and prone to usability and/or interop problems, if not even to security problems (e.g., using DNS, not DNSSEC to map host principals to IP addresses to match to asserted IDs). Perhaps there should be a new principal name type hint for IP address based names. That would push some complexity from implementation to host administration, while creating a separate problem (how to determine the realm name of a given address), but it seems possibly worthwhile. - Section 4.2.4. How does cross-realm user-to-user work? Also, this doesn't make sense: " ... When the requested principal is "principal@REALM", ... " Isn't "principal@REALM" pretty much the only form that the requested principal name can take? Or are there other forms? Where are those described? - Section 4.2.4. How are the values of PrincName constructed? Are they DER encodings of SEQUENCE { pname PrincipalName, realm, RealmName}? Or are they an "unparsed" representation of principal names following rules similar to those listed in RFC4121? This is very simply dealt with by saying that the contents of PrincName is given by section 2.1.3 of RFC1964, but without the GSS-API exported name token header. - Key derivation. IKEv2 has different orders for the concatenation of the prf input data than KINK does. You might want to double check with a cryptographer that KINK is doing the right thing here (particularly in light of the NIST KDF work). - Sub-session key generation. Section 3.2.1 says that "... KINK takes advantage of the fact that the KDC provides a reliable source of randomness which is used in key derivation." But there's no prescribed mechanism by which Kerberos V clients are to include KDC-provided entropy into the sub-session key generation, nor is there any text saying that clients MAY/SHOULD/MUST do this in some, presumably, implementation dependent manner. RFC4120 does not, I think, rescue KINK here either, for it only says that "[if] the client selects a sub-session key, care must be taken to ensure the randomness of the selected sub-session key." I think it's better that KINK say that clients which do not have local, reliable sources of entropy SHOULD make use of KDC-provided entropy (in the form of ticket session keys and/or KDC-REP enc part nonces). 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owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id jATKeVXq078839; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:40:31 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from carter-zimmerman.mit.edu (carter-zimmerman.dyn.mit.edu [18.188.3.148]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jATKeV7p078830 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:40:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hartmans@mit.edu) Received: by carter-zimmerman.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 8FD90E0073; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:40:19 -0500 (EST) To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Cc: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov, ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK)' to Proposed Standard (fwd) References: <541E2F6964443FE48495C910@bistromath.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20051129184138.GC17884@binky.Central.Sun.COM> From: Sam Hartman Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:40:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20051129184138.GC17884@binky.Central.Sun.COM> (Nicolas Williams's message of "Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:41:38 -0600") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: >>>>> "Nicolas" == Nicolas Williams writes: Nicolas> - Section 5.3 limits the IDs that can be used with KINK Nicolas> to address/subnet/address range IDs. I think this is too Nicolas> limited, it seems likely to make KINK very difficult to Nicolas> use. Nicolas> I'd rather that a new ID type be defined that Nicolas> corresponds to Kerberos V principal names and/or that Nicolas> ID_FQDN and ID_RFC822_ADDR be allowed and a simple Nicolas> algorithm be recommended for matching principals and such Nicolas> IDs. Nico, these are phase 2 IDs. I.E. they describe the SA, not the parties involved. I'm afraid you are living in an IKEV2 world where terminology makes sense. From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Tue Nov 29 16:43:04 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhDFg-0006fC-HY for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:43:04 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA12626 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jATLd8Hi088483; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:39:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id jATLd8SS088482; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:39:08 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jATLd8ep088476 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:39:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nw141292@binky.Central.Sun.COM) Received: from centralmail2brm.Central.Sun.COM (centralmail2brm.central.sun.com [129.147.62.14]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jATLd7D7023856 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:39:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (binky.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.104]) by centralmail2brm.Central.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id jATLd6gv006102 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:39:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATLd5pe019914; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:39:05 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3/Submit) id jATLd4Q8019913; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:39:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:39:04 -0600 From: Nicolas Williams To: Chaskiel M Grundman Cc: ietf-kink@vpnc.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK)' to Proposed Standard (fwd) Message-ID: <20051129213904.GQ7275@binky.Central.Sun.COM> Mail-Followup-To: Chaskiel M Grundman , ietf-kink@vpnc.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov References: <541E2F6964443FE48495C910@bistromath.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20051129184138.GC17884@binky.Central.Sun.COM> <9976DC82CBFEFFEEE619CA06@sphinx.andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9976DC82CBFEFFEEE619CA06@sphinx.andrew.cmu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 03:57:40PM -0500, Chaskiel M Grundman wrote: > --On Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:41:38 -0600 Nicolas Williams > wrote: > > > - Sub-session key generation. > > [...] > kink actually proscribes the use of sub-session keys: > > 4 KINK Message Format[....] > o Cksum (variable) -- Kerberos keyed checksum over the entire > message excluding the Cksum field itself.[...] The key used > MUST be the session key in the ticket. > > 7 ISAKMP Key Derivation [....] > > o SKEYID_d is the session key in the Kerberos service ticket from > the AP-REQ. Note that subkeys are not used in KINK and MUST be > ignored if received. > > This issue has been discussed in the past (multiple times even), and > bringing it up again will probably not result in anything other than wasted > time. *nod* > I did notice that section 4.2.7 KINK_ENCRYPT does not specify what key is > used, only that it > "is encrypted using the encryption algorithm specified by the etype of the > session key" Hmmm, mumble, mumble, reflection attacks, mumble, mumble. Shouldn't KINK derive separate keys for each direction for the "cksum" and KINK_ENCRYPT payload fields? Or is there inherent protection from reflection attacks in the actual message flow? From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Tue Nov 29 16:58:39 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhDUl-0001JR-GS for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:58:39 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA14696 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:57:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jATLucOA091197; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:56:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id jATLucaL091196; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:56:38 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jATLucgY091189 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:56:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nw141292@binky.Central.Sun.COM) Received: from centralmail2brm.Central.Sun.COM (centralmail2brm.central.sun.com [129.147.62.14]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jATLub3F019770 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:56:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (binky.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.104]) by centralmail2brm.Central.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id jATLuYgx015200 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:56:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATLuYOC019995; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:56:34 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3/Submit) id jATLuVL3019994; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:56:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:56:31 -0600 From: Nicolas Williams To: Sam Hartman Cc: ietf-kink@vpnc.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov, ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK)' to Proposed Standard (fwd) Message-ID: <20051129215631.GR7275@binky.Central.Sun.COM> Mail-Followup-To: Sam Hartman , ietf-kink@vpnc.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov, ietf@ietf.org References: <541E2F6964443FE48495C910@bistromath.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20051129184138.GC17884@binky.Central.Sun.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 03:40:19PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > Nico, these are phase 2 IDs. I.E. they describe the SA, not the > parties involved. > > I'm afraid you are living in an IKEV2 world where terminology makes > sense. Ah, sorry. Ok, so I will assume that authorization is out of scope for KINK. Nico -- From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Tue Nov 29 18:35:07 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhF07-0007TD-Cy for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:35:07 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA25309 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jATNVhe3000550; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:31:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id jATNVhiG000549; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:31:43 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jATNVgiV000542 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:31:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nw141292@binky.Central.Sun.COM) Received: from centralmail2brm.Central.Sun.COM (centralmail2brm.central.sun.com [129.147.62.14]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jATNVg3F008268 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:31:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (binky.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.104]) by centralmail2brm.Central.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id jATNVdgv003749 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:31:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNVbWA020311; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:31:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3/Submit) id jATNVbex020310; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:31:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:31:37 -0600 From: Nicolas Williams To: Chaskiel M Grundman Cc: ietf-kink@vpnc.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK)' to Proposed Standard (fwd) Message-ID: <20051129233137.GW7275@binky.Central.Sun.COM> Mail-Followup-To: Chaskiel M Grundman , ietf-kink@vpnc.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov References: <541E2F6964443FE48495C910@bistromath.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <1E9E522A7A15011160EE54DD@sphinx.andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1E9E522A7A15011160EE54DD@sphinx.andrew.cmu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 06:01:15PM -0500, Chaskiel M Grundman wrote: > >4.2.3. KINK_KRB_ERROR Payload [...] > > > > KINK implementations MUST make use of a KINK Cksum field when > > returning KINK_KRB_ERROR and the appropriate service key is > > available. In particular, clock skew errors MUST be integrity > > protected. > > The kerberos API, such as it is, does not guarantee that the application > will have access to the ticket session key if KRB5KRB_AP_ERR_SKEW is > returned from krb5_rd_req. neither mit krb5 nor heimdal return the > decrypted ticket if krb5_rd_req fails. (current releases of heimdal do not > check for clock skew in krb5_rd_req! This will be corrected in a future > release) It does not appear that either implementation updates the keyblock > stored in the auth_context until after all authenticator checks are > complete, so that copy of the key is not available to the application > either. There is no standard krb5 API... > While implementation concerns like this are not usually critical, in this > case, I think they should be considered, since it is far more likely that > this part of the spec will be ignored than the kerberos implementations be > extended to make it possible for kink implementations to conform to it. ...but I tend to agree. Ultimately some error notifications simply cannot be integrity protected, so initiators must be prepared to receive such notifications and deal with them, either by giving up early or retrying with a timeout. Attempting to do better than Kerberos V itself does for error messages seems likely to create API problems. The value of protecting skew error messages is this: clients can work around server-side skew when otherwise they could not. Such a feature too would require API work: krb5_rd_rep*() would need a way to output skew between the client and server, and krb5_mk_req*() would need a skew input (that would have to be used very, very carefully). Is it wise for Kerberos V applications to be doing this sort of thing? And should Kerberos V clients ever correct for skew other than that between the client and the KDC? Why can't the servers do their own KDC exchanges to discover server-side skew? (Why, for u2u they'd be engaging in such KDC exchanges anyways...) I'm convinced, I think. This feature should be removed. Nico -- From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Tue Nov 29 21:44:57 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhHxp-0003wy-7Q for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:44:57 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA14256 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAU2fx73020145; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:41:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id jAU2fxWL020144; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:41:59 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from nasten.nanohz.org (220x218x5x242.ap220.ftth.ucom.ne.jp [220.218.5.242]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAU2fvHZ020130 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:41:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kamada@nanohz.org) Received: from nasten.nanohz.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nasten.nanohz.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B41B5E; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:41:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from mitana.nanohz.org ([2001:240:2:0:20a:e4ff:fe23:c841]) by nasten.nanohz.org (smtpsugar 1.1) with ESMTPA id 1rar7z; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:41:56 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:42:00 +0900 Message-ID: <20051130114200EX%kamada@nanohz.org> From: "KAMADA Ken'ichi" To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Cc: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK)' to Proposed Standard (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20051129213904.GQ7275@binky.Central.Sun.COM> References: <541E2F6964443FE48495C910@bistromath.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20051129184138.GC17884@binky.Central.Sun.COM> <9976DC82CBFEFFEEE619CA06@sphinx.andrew.cmu.edu> <20051129213904.GQ7275@binky.Central.Sun.COM> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.7 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Sanj=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.0.50 (i386-unknown-netbsdelf3.99.9) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: At Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:39:04 -0600, Nicolas Williams wrote: > > > I did notice that section 4.2.7 KINK_ENCRYPT does not specify what key is > > used, only that it > > "is encrypted using the encryption algorithm specified by the etype of the > > session key" > > Hmmm, mumble, mumble, reflection attacks, mumble, mumble. > > Shouldn't KINK derive separate keys for each direction for the "cksum" > and KINK_ENCRYPT payload fields? Or is there inherent protection from > reflection attacks in the actual message flow? The KINK_ENCRYPT payload is tied with AP-REQ (or AP-REP) with the Cksum field. I thought it is enough to prevent reflection. Isn't it? -- KAMADA Ken'ichi From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Tue Nov 29 22:36:43 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhIlv-0006n3-G7 for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:36:43 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA18022 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAU3YhpK024413; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:34:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id jAU3Yhjn024412; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:34:43 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from nasten.nanohz.org (220x218x5x242.ap220.ftth.ucom.ne.jp [220.218.5.242]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAU3YgJU024405 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:34:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kamada@nanohz.org) Received: from nasten.nanohz.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nasten.nanohz.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5DB64; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:34:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from mitana.nanohz.org ([2001:240:2:0:20a:e4ff:fe23:c841]) by nasten.nanohz.org (smtpsugar 1.1) with ESMTPA id 0dj8BR; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:34:41 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:34:46 +0900 Message-ID: <20051130123446EW%kamada@nanohz.org> From: "KAMADA Ken'ichi" To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Cc: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK)' to Proposed Standard (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20051129233137.GW7275@binky.Central.Sun.COM> References: <541E2F6964443FE48495C910@bistromath.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <1E9E522A7A15011160EE54DD@sphinx.andrew.cmu.edu> <20051129233137.GW7275@binky.Central.Sun.COM> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.7 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Sanj=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.0.50 (i386-unknown-netbsdelf3.99.9) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: At Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:31:37 -0600, Nicolas Williams wrote: > > > While implementation concerns like this are not usually critical, in this > > case, I think they should be considered, since it is far more likely that > > this part of the spec will be ignored than the kerberos implementations be > > extended to make it possible for kink implementations to conform to it. > > ...but I tend to agree. > > Ultimately some error notifications simply cannot be integrity > protected, so initiators must be prepared to receive such notifications > and deal with them, either by giving up early or retrying with a > timeout. Attempting to do better than Kerberos V itself does for error > messages seems likely to create API problems. > > The value of protecting skew error messages is this: clients can work > around server-side skew when otherwise they could not. > > Such a feature too would require API work: krb5_rd_rep*() would need a > way to output skew between the client and server, and krb5_mk_req*() > would need a skew input (that would have to be used very, very > carefully). > > Is it wise for Kerberos V applications to be doing this sort of thing? When I was implementing this part of the spec using MIT krb5 and Heimdal (when I was not yet involved with editing the draft), it was much of a bother, though not impossible with accessing the library internals. The code is included in ftp://ftp.kame.net/pub/racoon2/racoon2-20051102a.tgz, but is very dirty, over-familiar with the library, and fragile with library upgrades. On the other hand, rfc1510ter will have checksummed KRB-ERROR. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C5F597.A3FC1280-- From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Wed Nov 30 12:11:30 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhVUQ-0007Ip-1b for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:11:30 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA11871 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:10:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAUH7cpZ018906; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:07:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id jAUH7cF3018905; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:07:38 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAUH7cx4018899 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:07:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nw141292@binky.Central.Sun.COM) Received: from centralmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM ([129.147.62.1]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAUH7c4u021981 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:07:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (binky.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.104]) by centralmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id jAUH7a5M022695 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:07:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUH7aXh021532; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:07:36 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3/Submit) id jAUH7ZEK021531; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:07:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:07:35 -0600 From: Nicolas Williams To: Chaskiel M Grundman , ietf-kink@vpnc.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK)' to Proposed Standard (fwd) Message-ID: <20051130170735.GI21090@binky.Central.Sun.COM> Mail-Followup-To: Chaskiel M Grundman , ietf-kink@vpnc.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov References: <541E2F6964443FE48495C910@bistromath.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20051129184138.GC17884@binky.Central.Sun.COM> <9976DC82CBFEFFEEE619CA06@sphinx.andrew.cmu.edu> <20051129213904.GQ7275@binky.Central.Sun.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051129213904.GQ7275@binky.Central.Sun.COM> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 03:39:04PM -0600, Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 03:57:40PM -0500, Chaskiel M Grundman wrote: > > I did notice that section 4.2.7 KINK_ENCRYPT does not specify what key is > > used, only that it > > "is encrypted using the encryption algorithm specified by the etype of the > > session key" > > Hmmm, mumble, mumble, reflection attacks, mumble, mumble. > > Shouldn't KINK derive separate keys for each direction for the "cksum" > and KINK_ENCRYPT payload fields? Or is there inherent protection from > reflection attacks in the actual message flow? Well, I also note stuff like: "[The XID] is not used for replay protection because that functionality is provided by Kerberos." But KINK isn't using KRB-SAFE or KRB-PRIV, it's using raw KCRYPTO! So the only place that KINK gets replay protection for free from Kerberos V is in the AP exchange. So, how exactly does KINK get "replay protection of key management messages," a goal stated in the first paragraph of the introduction? Did I miss something? Another problem is that there seems to be no way of tying a particular KINK message, making use of a Kerberos V key, to a given AP exchange/ Ticket. This might be fine for a KE that follows the IKEv1/RFC2401 model, but it seems to me that it isn't fine in an IKEv2/RFC2401bis world. Nico -- From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Wed Nov 30 12:26:03 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhViV-0007vw-2B for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:26:03 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14077 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAUHOMPH020644; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:24:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id jAUHOM18020643; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:24:22 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from carter-zimmerman.mit.edu (carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org [69.25.196.178]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAUHOMfv020636 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:24:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hartmans@mit.edu) Received: by carter-zimmerman.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 00016E0073; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:24:13 -0500 (EST) To: "KAMADA Ken'ichi" Cc: ietf-kink@vpnc.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK)' to Proposed Standard (fwd) References: <541E2F6964443FE48495C910@bistromath.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20051129184138.GC17884@binky.Central.Sun.COM> <9976DC82CBFEFFEEE619CA06@sphinx.andrew.cmu.edu> <20051129213904.GQ7275@binky.Central.Sun.COM> <20051130114200EX%kamada@nanohz.org> From: Sam Hartman Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:24:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20051130114200EX%kamada@nanohz.org> (KAMADA Ken'ichi's message of "Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:42:00 +0900") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: >>>>> "KAMADA" == KAMADA Ken'ichi writes: KAMADA> The KINK_ENCRYPT payload is tied with AP-REQ (or AP-REP) KAMADA> with the Cksum field. I thought it is enough to prevent KAMADA> reflection. Isn't it? I believe so. From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Wed Nov 30 14:03:07 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhXER-0006MN-DS for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:03:07 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA27434 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAUIxEi8035036; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:59:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id jAUIxErF035034; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:59:14 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAUIxDET035025 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:59:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nw141292@binky.Central.Sun.COM) Received: from centralmail2brm.Central.Sun.COM (centralmail2brm.central.sun.com [129.147.62.14]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAUIxD3F021688 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:59:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (binky.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.104]) by centralmail2brm.Central.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id jAUIxBgv027357 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:59:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUIxBIV021615; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:59:11 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3/Submit) id jAUIxBHU021614; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:59:11 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:59:11 -0600 From: Nicolas Williams To: Chaskiel M Grundman , ietf-kink@vpnc.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK)' to Proposed Standard (fwd) Message-ID: <20051130185911.GK21090@binky.Central.Sun.COM> Mail-Followup-To: Chaskiel M Grundman , ietf-kink@vpnc.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov References: <541E2F6964443FE48495C910@bistromath.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20051129184138.GC17884@binky.Central.Sun.COM> <9976DC82CBFEFFEEE619CA06@sphinx.andrew.cmu.edu> <20051129213904.GQ7275@binky.Central.Sun.COM> <20051130170735.GI21090@binky.Central.Sun.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051130170735.GI21090@binky.Central.Sun.COM> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 11:07:35AM -0600, Nicolas Williams wrote: > So the only place that KINK gets replay protection for free from > Kerberos V is in the AP exchange. So, how exactly does KINK get "replay > protection of key management messages," a goal stated in the first > paragraph of the introduction? Did I miss something? Yes, I missed something: every KINK message has an AP-REQ or AP-REP (or KRB-ERROR). The KINK "checksum" field and KINK_ENCRYPT payload use keys derived from the session key of the Ticket, which would normally mean that Ticket reuse implies key reuse which brings replay protection into question. But the presence of an AP-REQ or AP-REP in the KINK message that is part of the checksum input means that key reuse is not enough to lead to replays, and the presence of timestamps in the Authenticator and AP-REP enc part means that the inputs to the checksum cannot be replayed unless time goes backwards, and the requirement that the AP-REP timestamps match the AP-REQ timestamps provides replay protection to the client. This also answers my question about reflection attacks. Is this analysis correct? Nico -- From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Wed Nov 30 17:25:47 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhaOZ-0000ry-P1 for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:25:47 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA08195 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAUMKKfx057943; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:20:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id jAUMKKFm057942; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:20:20 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAUMKKab057936 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:20:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nw141292@binky.Central.Sun.COM) Received: from centralmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM ([129.147.62.1]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAUMKK4u010403 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:20:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (binky.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.104]) by centralmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id jAUMKH5O013105 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:20:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUMKEx4021935; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:20:14 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3/Submit) id jAUMKD2j021934; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:20:13 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:20:13 -0600 From: Nicolas Williams To: Sam Hartman Cc: "KAMADA Ken'ichi" , ietf-kink@vpnc.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK)' to Proposed Standard (fwd) Message-ID: <20051130222013.GU21090@binky.Central.Sun.COM> Mail-Followup-To: Sam Hartman , KAMADA Ken'ichi , ietf-kink@vpnc.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov References: <541E2F6964443FE48495C910@bistromath.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20051129184138.GC17884@binky.Central.Sun.COM> <9976DC82CBFEFFEEE619CA06@sphinx.andrew.cmu.edu> <20051129213904.GQ7275@binky.Central.Sun.COM> <20051130114200EX%kamada@nanohz.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 12:24:13PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > >>>>> "KAMADA" == KAMADA Ken'ichi writes: > > > KAMADA> The KINK_ENCRYPT payload is tied with AP-REQ (or AP-REP) > KAMADA> with the Cksum field. I thought it is enough to prevent > KAMADA> reflection. Isn't it? > > I believe so. Yes, I had not noticed that all KINK messages have an AP-REQ, AP-REP or KRB-ERROR. Nico -- From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Wed Nov 30 19:24:55 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhcFr-0007ge-NI for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:24:55 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA22819 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jB10MvTp073139; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:22:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id jB10Mv2f073138; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:22:57 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jB10MuVI073119 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:22:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mat@cisco.com) Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Nov 2005 16:22:51 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,197,1131350400"; d="scan'208"; a="372355100:sNHT27364296" Received: from imail.cisco.com (imail.cisco.com [128.107.200.91]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jB10Mms2009026; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [171.71.192.205] (dhcp-171-71-192-205.cisco.com [171.71.192.205]) by imail.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jB10Ua2H026222; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:30:36 -0800 Message-ID: <438E4273.9020609@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:23:15 -0800 From: Michael Thomas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 Thunderbird/0.8 Mnenhy/0.7.2.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nicolas Williams CC: Chaskiel M Grundman , ietf-kink@vpnc.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK)' to Proposed Standard (fwd) References: <541E2F6964443FE48495C910@bistromath.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20051129184138.GC17884@binky.Central.Sun.COM> <9976DC82CBFEFFEEE619CA06@sphinx.andrew.cmu.edu> <20051129213904.GQ7275@binky.Central.Sun.COM> <20051130170735.GI21090@binky.Central.Sun.COM> <20051130185911.GK21090@binky.Central.Sun.COM> In-Reply-To: <20051130185911.GK21090@binky.Central.Sun.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=1021; t=1133397036; x=1133829236; c=nowsp; s=nebraska; h=Subject:From:Date:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; d=cisco.com; i=mat@cisco.com; z=Subject:Re=3A=20Last=20Call=3A=20'Kerberized=20Internet=20Negotiation=20of=20Key s=20(KINK)'=20to=0A=20Proposed=20Standard=20=20(fwd)| From:Michael=20Thomas=20| Date:Wed,=2030=20Nov=202005=2016=3A23=3A15=20-0800| Content-Type:text/plain=3B=20charset=3DISO-8859-1=3B=20format=3Dflowed| Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit; b=jnFca8Cw0U5Wa1VEL5d0QpEnVuFFjxa/RTSUlzvL3j+37A6aRn9Fg4J1DRRBTeDdSkcPS+Db Wd4OZAYpqSe1M9JGAMstsT5uNZo/OOJ58oehHtqnpQBLY0g77FhInxUDEg4VWgjcIW8o4tBdE5s iC50HQzu1wHAttMGQKphfK8s= Authentication-Results: imail.cisco.com; header.From=mat@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( message from cisco.com verified; ); Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 11:07:35AM -0600, Nicolas Williams wrote: > >>So the only place that KINK gets replay protection for free from >>Kerberos V is in the AP exchange. So, how exactly does KINK get "replay >>protection of key management messages," a goal stated in the first >>paragraph of the introduction? Did I miss something? > > > Yes, I missed something: every KINK message has an AP-REQ or AP-REP (or > KRB-ERROR). > > The KINK "checksum" field and KINK_ENCRYPT payload use keys derived from > the session key of the Ticket, which would normally mean that Ticket > reuse implies key reuse which brings replay protection into question. > But the presence of an AP-REQ or AP-REP in the KINK message that is part > of the checksum input means that key reuse is not enough to lead to > replays, and the presence of timestamps in the Authenticator and AP-REP > enc part means that the inputs to the checksum cannot be replayed unless > time goes backwards, and the requirement that the AP-REP timestamps > match the AP-REQ timestamps provides replay protection to the client. > > This also answers my question about reflection attacks. > > Is this analysis correct? That's pretty much how I remember it. Mike From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Wed Nov 30 23:19:40 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ehfv2-00041U-2S for kink-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:19:40 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA15081 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jB14EaWK098186; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:14:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id jB14EatE098185; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:14:36 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org using -f Received: from nasten.nanohz.org (220x218x5x242.ap220.ftth.ucom.ne.jp [220.218.5.242]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jB14EYj5098177 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:14:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kamada@nanohz.org) Received: from nasten.nanohz.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nasten.nanohz.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365095E; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:14:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from mitana.nanohz.org ([2001:240:2:0:202:8aff:fefa:bec0]) by nasten.nanohz.org (smtpsugar 1.1) with ESMTPA id 4c8Wf2; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:14:32 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:14:31 +0900 Message-ID: <20051201131431SC%kamada@nanohz.org> From: "KAMADA Ken'ichi" To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Cc: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK)' to Proposed Standard (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20051129184138.GC17884@binky.Central.Sun.COM> References: <541E2F6964443FE48495C910@bistromath.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20051129184138.GC17884@binky.Central.Sun.COM> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.7 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Sanj=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.0.50 (i386-unknown-netbsdelf3.99.9) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Thank you for your review. At Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:41:38 -0600, Nicolas Williams wrote: > > - Rekeying > > " > 3.6. Rekeying Security Associations > > KINK requires the initiator of an SA to be responsible for rekeying > the SA. ... > " > > First, "requires" isn't proper RFC2119 terminology, and proper > RFC2119 terminology in this regard is missing in that section. This > would be fine, except that... > > ...second, since KINK allows for user-to-user Kerberos V exchanges I > see no reason that responders couldn't, if they wanted to, act as > initiators, so there's a question, I think, as to whether responders > are simply not allowed to do that or merely expected to not do that. > Or did I miss something else? A responder can become an initiator (with U2U if necessary) and it's possible to rekey from the responder, but it is not expected in my opinion. KINK could disallow the responder to rekey, but still, the responder can make new SAs (pretending independent of rekeying) and delete old ones, and it cannot be distinguished from rekeying from the initiator. So I don't think "disallowing" and "expecting-not-to-do" have much difference in this case. > Third, even if responders typically could not act as initiators (say, > for implementation-specific issues), one might still want some > notification that an SA has expired and traffic needs it to be > rekeyed. KINK is based on IKE(v1) and negotiates SA lifetime (see the first paragraph of section 3.2 of kink-10), so the initiator should notice SA expiration and rekey it. > - Section 5.3 limits the IDs that can be used with KINK to > address/subnet/address range IDs. I think this is too limited, it > seems likely to make KINK very difficult to use. > > I'd rather that a new ID type be defined that corresponds to Kerberos > V principal names and/or that ID_FQDN and ID_RFC822_ADDR be allowed > and a simple algorithm be recommended for matching principals and > such IDs. Section 5.3 says that IDs in KINK identify traffic to be protected (like TSs in IKEv2). Peer's identifiers are pricnipal names provided in AP exchange. (Note that AP_REQ and AP_REP are always exchanged when negotiating SAs.) > - Section 4.2.4. How does cross-realm user-to-user work? > > Also, this doesn't make sense: > > " > ... When the requested principal is > "principal@REALM", ... > " > > Isn't "principal@REALM" pretty much the only form that the requested > principal name can take? Or are there other forms? Where are those > described? That paragraph is poorly worded, sorry. The string "principal" and "REALM" in the quoted sentence correspond to the same strings in that sentence. So, what I wanted to say was: - The returned TGT MUST be a non-inter-realm TGT of the requested realm, and - The cname/crealm of the TGT MUST match the requested principal. I'd propose to change the paragraph with this one: o PrincName -- The name of the principal which the initiator want to communicate with. It is assumed that the initiator knows the responder's principal name (including the realm name) in the same way as the non-User-to-User case. The returned TGT MUST NOT be an inter-realm TGT and it's cname and crealm MUST match the requested principal name, so that the initiator can rendezvous with the responder at the responder's realm. For comparison, here is the old one: o PrincName -- The name of the principal which the initiator want to communicate with. It is assumed that the initiator knows the responder's principal name (including the realm name) in the same way as the non-User-to-User case. When the requested principal is "principal@REALM", the responder MUST return a ticket whose server and client principals are "krbtgt/REALM@REALM" and "principal@REALM" respectively, so that the initiator can obtain a User-to-User service ticket at the KDC of the responder's realm. > - Section 4.2.4. How are the values of PrincName constructed? Are > they DER encodings of > > SEQUENCE { pname PrincipalName, realm, RealmName}? > > Or are they an "unparsed" representation of principal names following > rules similar to those listed in RFC4121? > > This is very simply dealt with by saying that the contents of > PrincName is given by section 2.1.3 of RFC1964, but without the > GSS-API exported name token header. I don't have noticed it wasn't defined. Thank you for pointing it out. I assumed "unparsed" representation, so your deal sounds good to me. -- KAMADA Ken'ichi