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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:39:17 +0200 Message-ID: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D60B9CF@mail.webwasher.com> Thread-Topic: Make progress or close shop? Thread-Index: AcW4acHnnXP1NmQQR4WYHTV8as8dDgA+cW2A From: "Martin Stecher" To: "Markus Hofmann" Cc: "OPES Group" X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id j8EJdU20078115 Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by above.proper.com id j8EJdVLG078126 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Markus, Clemens and I are discussing the protocol issues offline at this time. We accept your challenge to get a first OCP/SMTP draft published before t= he cut off. Hope to have s.th. ready to discuss on this list quite soon. Regards Martin > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org]Im Auftrag von=20 > Markus Hofmann > Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. September 2005 15:18 > An: OPES Group > Betreff: Make progress or close shop? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Folks, >=20 > we need to come to a decision - we either make *real* progress on=20 > OCP/SMTP and the rules language, or we close the WG. Dragging the WG=20 > along as we did over the last few months is not an option. >=20 > When can we expect the initial drafts on these work items to be=20 > submitted for discussion? >=20 > If we don't have drafts on these work items submitted *before* the=20 > deadline for the next IETF meeting, I will suggest our AD to=20 > close the WG. >=20 > Thanks, > Markus >=20 >=20 From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Wed Sep 14 16:24:08 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EFdnb-0005L6-Vk for opes-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:24:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08870 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EFdsB-0006tX-MP for opes-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:28:57 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j8EK5cfu009104; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:05:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j8EK5cHT009103; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:05:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.255.211]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id j8EK5b9P009020 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:05:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@att.com) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1126728332!7110661!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [192.128.133.132] Received: (qmail 424 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 20:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maillennium.att.com) (192.128.133.132) by server-5.tower-120.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 20:05:33 -0000 Received: from [135.70.2.104] (unknown[135.70.2.104](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20050914200532gw100kdt3be> (Authid: tony); Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:05:32 +0000 Message-ID: <4328828A.1000705@att.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:05:30 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Stecher CC: Markus Hofmann , OPES Group Subject: Re: Make progress or close shop? References: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D60B9CF@mail.webwasher.com> In-Reply-To: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D60B9CF@mail.webwasher.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 excellent! Tony Hansen tony@att.com Martin Stecher wrote: > Clemens and I are discussing the protocol issues offline at this > time. We accept your challenge to get a first OCP/SMTP draft > published before the cut off. Hope to have s.th. ready to discuss on > this list quite soon. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDKIKKxsSylYhzrRYRAovhAKCiHqz/VIaO+HPjC5FsaZKEx70f0gCeO1FR 807uRKxPEhpzTRbtYTJYimM= =oPp/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Wed Sep 14 17:09:44 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EFeVj-0002jz-Hr for opes-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:09:44 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA11707 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EFeaN-0008Or-6T for opes-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:14:33 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j8EKp31F051623; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:51:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j8EKp3R1051622; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:51:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.198.54]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j8EKp2uh051607 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:51:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from markus@mhof.com) Received: from [135.104.20.73] (unknown[135.104.20.73]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2005091420504901400clcn9e>; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:50:54 +0000 Message-ID: <43288D28.4080407@mhof.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:50:48 -0400 From: Markus Hofmann User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.4 (Windows/20050908) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OPES Group Subject: Re: Make progress or close shop? References: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D60B9CF@mail.webwasher.com> In-Reply-To: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D60B9CF@mail.webwasher.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by above.proper.com id j8EKp31F051623 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Awesome!! Thanks Martin and Clemens! 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In that case the WG-OPES should be able to > dialog with the new area at a later stage. > jfc Conceptually, the OPES framework could also be applied to "real-time applications" - at an earlier stage, we discussed applicability to RTP, for example. -Markus From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Tue Sep 20 05:18:22 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EHeGb-0005bh-GD for opes-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:18:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA17849 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EHeMI-0006kj-Us for opes-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:24:20 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j8K90t4L021981; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:00:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j8K90t9N021980; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:00:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail2.webwasher.com (wwsmtp2.webwasher.com [213.70.80.11]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j8K90pBQ021966 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:00:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from martin.stecher@WEBWASHER.com) Received: from mail.WEBWASHER.COM [192.168.0.251] by mail2.webwasher.com id L97I6QOI outgoing id L97I6QOI; 20 Sep 2005 11:00:41 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6556.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: IESG discussion of draft-ietf-opes-smtp-use-cases-03 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:00:40 +0200 Message-ID: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D656AB3@mail.webwasher.com> Thread-Topic: IESG discussion of draft-ietf-opes-smtp-use-cases-03 Thread-Index: AcW9wcYdLgW9I60WQ0K7cehrwxDegg== From: "Martin Stecher" To: "OPES Group" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id j8K90tBQ021975 Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9c7d7a899dc8f3389bf7ace6f0ad8e29 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, IESG is discussing the SMTP use cases draft. 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However, RFC 3837 does not > discuss the placement of cryptographic keys in the OPES server that > would be needed to implement the services described in section 4.5. > > RFC 3837 says: > > > > Generally, OPES services cannot be applied to data protected with > > end-to-end encryption methods because the decryption key cannot be > > shared with OPES processors without compromising the intended > > confidentiality of the data. This means that if the endpoint > > policies permit OPES services, the data must either be transmitted > > without confidentiality protections or an alternative model to end- > > to-end encryption must be developed, one in which the confidentiality > > is guaranteed hop-by-hop. Extending the end-to-end encryption model > > is out of scope of this work. > > Please discuss end-to-end encryption in the security considerations. > > Please discuss the addition of digital signatures by the OPES server > in the security considerations. On one hand we handle this only as a collection of use cases and want to follow Spencer's advice to write: > this document contains only use cases and defines no protocol > operations. Security considerations for protocols that appear in these > use cases are documented in the corresponding protocol specifications On the other hand, Russ is also right that this use case (4.5) is somehow special. When creating the protocol specification guide we may not revisit this exact use case and the security considerations raised by it. So, we could change the security considerations section in something like: Application-independent security considerations are documented in application-agnostic OPES specifications [5]. This document contains only use cases and defines no protocol operations. Security considerations for protocols that appear in these use cases are documented in the corresponding protocol specifications. Use case 4.5 "Secure Email handling" is special in this regard because it requires the extension of the end-to-end encryption model which is out of scope of OPES protocol specifications. Implementation of such a service raises security issues (such as availability and storage of cryptographic keys) that must be addressed regardless of whether the implementation happens within an MTA or within an OPES callout server. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- > Date and Time: 2005-09-14, 06:50:59 > Version: 03 > Commented by: Brian Carpenter > State before Comment: 0 > State after Comment: 0 > Comment: Nits from Gen-ART review by Spencer Dawkins: > > I found a few nits, probably AUTH-48, but just to write them down now: > > - In the last paragraph of the Introduction, there were just a few too > many pronouns for me to easily parse > > This work focuses on SMTP based services that want to modify command > values and those that want to block commands by defining an error > response that the MTA should send in response to the response it > received. And indeed contains an error (one of the "response"s should be a "command". Can revise to: This work focuses on SMTP based services that want to modify command values or want to block SMTP commands. In order to block a command the service will provide an error message that the MTA should use in response to the command it received. > > I wasn't sure what "those" and "it" were actually pointing to (I could guess, but I'd be guessing). > > - OCP isn't expanded on first use. Will add. > > - The text under Figure 3 refers to "the MTA (the OPES processor)", but there are three MTAs > in Figure 3, all with OCP callout servers. Should this have been plural, > or was the reference to one of the three MTAs (and, if so, which one)? While an email could pass serveral MTAs that operate as an OPES processor, the OPES standard case is handled that only has a single OPES processor and a single callout server in the message flow. Figure 3, though, wants to show the different deployment options in a typical chain of mail servers and gateways with different roles as MTA, MSA, MDA. Seems that we need to make this clear in the text. > > - In Section 4.1, one of the actions is "The attachment is removed by an error message" - > should this be "replaced by an error message"? "removed, and an error message generated"? > Or did I misunderstand? Yes, it should be "replaced". Will replace removed with replaced ;-) > > - In Section 5, I think what you're saying is "this document does not describe any new > protocol functionality, it only shows use cases for OPES with SMTP, so does not introduce > any new security considerations beyond current considerations for SMTP and OPES" - sorry, > but we see enough "no new security considerations" that we get suspicious quickly! See proposal above for a revised security considerations section. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- > Date and Time: 2005-09-15, 01:14:47 > Version: 03 > Commented by: Bill Fenner > State before Comment: 0 > State after Comment: 0 > Comment: I'm not sure I can reconcile the first sentence of the last paragraph > of section 3 with the first sentence of section 3.1: > > In this work the OPES processor may be any agent that is > participating in SMTP exchanges, including an MSA, MTA, MDA, and MUA. > [...] > In this work an MTA is the OPES processor device that sits in the > data stream of the SMTP protocol. > But the last sentence of section 3 says: "However, this document focuses on use cases in which the OPES processor is a mail transfer agent (MTA)." That's why from section 3 on the draft only mentiones the MTA. How to do it better? > The first mail server in Figure 3 is both an MSA and an MTA; if the OCP callout > happens during the MSA's reception of the message from the MUA then that seems > to contradict the second of the above sentences. See above. OPES processor can be any of the enumeration of the first sentence but the draft concentrates on MTAs to make things easier. > > > Is there a reason for the ordering of OCP first or last in "OCP/SMTP" vs. "HTTP/OCP"? > [4] never seems to refer to itself as HTTP/OCP. The ordering should be consistent, you are right. Issue is that sometimes this is seen as a sub path notation as in the profile names we use in ocp (http://iana.org/opes/ocp/HTTP/request) and sometimes as in TCP/IP (TCP on top of IP) and so HTTP encapsulated in OCP. I think we should consistently use OCP/SMTP and OCP/HTTP as an abbreviation for how also the iana profiles are defined. > > > Do any of these use cases enable 'graylisting'? 4.8 seems close except it seems to > only mention permanent rejection. > I think it is up to the callout server to implement either black- or greylisting. As it will provide an error message that the MTA should use as response to the RCPT command, that error could either be a permanent or a temporary error. Where does 4.8 limit on permanent rejection only? Because it writes "all messages"? But it depends on a policy as 4.8 describes and that could certainly change over time. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- > Date and Time: 2005-09-15, 08:36:26 > Version: 03 > Commented by: Bert Wijnen > State before Comment: 0 > State after Comment: 0 > Comment: > In the example in sect 3.1.1 it uses IP addresses: > > C: HELO [192.168.0.138] > S: 250 mail.example.com Hello [192.168.0.138] > > that do not conform to RFC3330 which sets aside a range > of IP addresses (192.0.2.0/24) for use in examples. Will change to C: HELO [192.0.2.138] S: 250 mail.example.com Hello [192.0.2.138] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- > Date and Time: 2005-09-15, 10:14:16 > Version: 03 > Commented by: Sam Hartman > State before Comment: 0 > State after Comment: 0 > Comment: > I'm concerned that the architecture envisioned by this document does > not support some of the IAB recommendations in RFC 3238. I believe > these recommendations are desirable and so I'm holding a discuss. > > I have two concerns. First, the document proposes that OPES focus on > MTA behavior rather than MSA or MDA behavior. This seems inconsistent > with recommendation 2.1: > > (2.1) One-party consent: An OPES framework standardized in the IETF > must require that the use of any OPES service be explicitly > authorized by one of the application-layer end-hosts (that is, either > the content provider or the client). While OPES/SMTP focuses on MTAs, section 3 of RFC 3914 remains a fundamental OPES statement. Also defined in RFC 3835 which is the first normative reference of this use cases draft. This is not explicitly repeated again in this use cases draft. In a deployment this would usually mean that the MTA is operated within the authorative domain that also the data consumer or data provider belong to. Figure 3 also shows that a typical OPES processor is often a box that runs "MTA and MSA" or "MTA and MDA" and the text also reminds that "Which building block belongs to which authoritative domain is an important question". > I realize this recommendation is targeted at the web, but the email > form of this recommendation would probably be something like an OPES > SMTP binding standardized in the IETF MUST require that the OPES > service is explicitly authorized by either the message sender or > recipient. It may be possible to do this while focusing on MTAs, but > significant thought (not evident in this document) needs to be given > to this issue. As long as the MTA is within the provider administrative domain or the consumer administrative domain, a service does not need to be explicitly authorized by the message sender or recipient. The delegation of authority as explained in section 3.1 of RFC 3835 is application agnostic and valid not only for web but also email. > > My second concern is that the document anticipates only a profile of > OCP for SMTP, not a profile of SMTP for OPES. The distinction is > important. The first case does not focus on describing or > standardizing behavior changes to the SMTP server, only standardizing > the interactions of the SMTP server with the OCP server. I understand > this approach was taken for HTTP; I think it is a mistake there and an > even more critical mistake for SMTP. Here are some issues where the > SMTP server behavior needs to be considered. First, the client needs > to communicate its explicit authorization. I can believe that servers > may be preconfigured, but it seems that given the wide variety of MUAs > out there, if explicit authorization is given, that mechanism needs to > be standardized. The HTTP draft (draft-ietf-opes-http) is a HTTP for OPES draft (title: HTTP adaptation with OPES) and not a pure OCP/HTTP draft. The OCP profile is handled in section 3 of that document and sections 4 and 5 handle Tracing and Bypassing - other aspects of HTTP for OPES. The same kind of approach has been planned for SMTP. > > Second, I don't see how IAB recommendation 2.2 (the client must invoke > OPES by IP address for client services) can be addressed without > specifying changes to the SMTP server. I cannot find this exact wording ("must invoke") in the considerations. Recommendation 2.2 is handled in section 4 of RFC3914 in an application agnostic way. IP addressing of OPES processors in SMTP are even simpler than in HTTP as each OPES processor must put a Received header lines into the email that contain IP addresses and can be better used to address an OPES processor than the Via HTTP header. > > > Similarly, providing senders the required tracing information will > require changes to the SMTP server beyond the OCP interactions. Adding trace headers to an email message is a very simple requirement for an OPES/SMTP processor. It can be done analogous to what has been defined in the OPES/HTTP draft (draft-ietf-opes-http). > > One possible response to this discuss is that these issues are out of > scope for this document. That's fine provided you tell me what > document I can expect to review these issues in. I believe that the > review needs to be early enough that not too much is fixed and that if > major questions come up they can be addressed. As such, I recommend > the answer not be the OCP SMTP document. > There will not be a OCP/SMTP but a OPES/SMTP document. And yes, some of the issues will be done in OPES/SMTP as far as they are analogous to what is defined in draft-ietf-opes-http. Other issues have already been handled in application agnostic OPES documents (RFC 3914 and RFC 3835). This is out of scope for the use cases draft and we do not need yet another document but OPES/SMTP in my opinion. From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Tue Sep 20 12:49:01 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EHlIj-0007Qv-4Y for opes-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:49:01 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14206 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EHlOW-0002Ze-4D for opes-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:55:04 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j8KGUoYc070160; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j8KGUog3070159; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:30:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from montage.altserver.com (montage.altserver.com [63.247.74.122]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j8KGUmm0070152 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:30:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from info@utel.net) Received: from i01m-62-35-167-26.d4.club-internet.fr ([62.35.167.26] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1EHl12-0008E5-8k; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:30:46 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050920120434.03e5ae50@mail.utel.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:40:48 +0200 To: "Martin Stecher" , "OPES Group" From: jfcm Subject: Re: IESG discussion of draft-ietf-opes-smtp-use-cases-03 Cc: "Sam Hartman" In-Reply-To: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D656AB3@mail.webwasher.com> References: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D656AB3@mail.webwasher.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_36631473==.ALT" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - imc.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - utel.net Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 36c793b20164cfe75332aa66ddb21196 --=====================_36631473==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Martin, As you note it IESG is discussing the SMTP use cases draft. There have been some comments and the current status is "IESG Evaluation - Defer". See https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=12800&rfc_flag=0. You reviewed some of the comments I agree with you. However you may guess that my position on Sam's comment is obviously totally different. I think Sam is right. But I stick to my compromise: the WG also follows more or less the IAB recommendations. The confusion is with IAB. The IAB recommendations tris to protect the current "mono-Internet" architecture when to support OPES, instead of documenting a "multi-Internet" architecture (architectural parameters switched from "mono" to "multi") actually based upon OPES and killing the middlebox patch. The document Sam wants is therefore not to be asked to an Engineering WG but to an Architectural team. There is no problem to write such a document for the OPES case. But a global consistency is necessary and this is where it becomes a problem, because it is a new Internet version. On can summarise it as: +------+ +-------+__OCP Link __| ones |__ OCP optional links __ +------+ end -| opes | +------+----+------+ +------+ | opes |- end +-------+ -------------- standard | opes |--| smtp |-- +------+ +------+ +------+ Where ONES stands for my fancy pet Open Network(ed) Extended Services, i.e. the services to the end to end relations (protocol and content). This fully supports: - the end to end principles - the protocol on the wire - the dumb network approach and replaces middleboxes with the power of a _parallel_ specialised protocol. Instead of using a single (mono-Internet) link the end to end process only uses multiples (multi-Internet) links. To show this is not a phenomena related to SMTP etc. but proper to OPES/ONES, the establishment of the OCP link needs an IP address: it can be found via the standard DNS using a dedicated ONES Class. The Domain Name being used _can_ be multi-class. - when using class IN it resolves the standard link path (here MX) - when using class ONES it resolves the concerned ONES IP address. Sam is right. Another document is needed. jfc --=====================_36631473==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Martin,
As you note it IESG is discussing the SMTP use cases draft. There have been some comments and the current status is "IESG Evaluation
- Defer". See https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=12800&rfc_flag=0 . You reviewed some of the comments I agree with you.

However you may guess that my position on Sam's comment is obviously totally different. I think Sam is right. But I stick to my compromise: the WG also follows more or less the IAB recommendations. The confusion is with IAB. The IAB recommendations tris to protect the current "mono-Internet" architecture when to support OPES, instead of documenting a "multi-Internet" architecture (architectural parameters switched from "mono" to "multi") actually based upon OPES and killing the middlebox patch.

The document Sam wants is therefore not to be asked to an Engineering WG but to an Architectural team. There is no problem to write such a document for the OPES case. But a global consistency is necessary and this is where it becomes a problem, because it is a new Internet version.

On can summarise it as:
                           +------+
     +-------+__OCP Link __| ones |__ OCP optional links __ +------+
end -| opes |             +------+----+------+ +------+   | opes |- end
     +-------+ -------------- standard | opes |--| smtp |-- +------+
                                       +------+ +------+
Where ONES stands for my fancy pet Open Network(ed) Extended Services, i.e. the services to the end to end relations (protocol and content).

This fully supports:
- the end to end principles
- the protocol on the wire
- the dumb network approach
and replaces middleboxes with the power of a _parallel_ specialised protocol. Instead of using a single (mono-Internet) link the end to end process only uses multiples (multi-Internet) links. To show this is not a phenomena related to SMTP etc. but proper to OPES/ONES, the establishment of the OCP link needs an IP address: it can be found via the standard DNS using a dedicated ONES Class. The Domain Name being used _can_ be multi-class.

- when using class IN it resolves the standard link path (here MX)
- when using class ONES it resolves the concerned ONES IP address.

Sam is right. Another document is needed.
jfc
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