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 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C6BFB0.5C135D00-- From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Sat Sep 02 14:56:50 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJadg-0001Uw-Me; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:54:44 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJadg-0001Un-Aw for p2prg@irtf.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:54:44 -0400 Received: from oak.research.panasonic.com ([150.169.1.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJadb-0000yU-VF for p2prg@irtf.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:54:44 -0400 Received: from redwood.research.panasonic.com (redwood.research.panasonic.com [150.169.3.3]) by oak.research.panasonic.com (1.1.1/1.1.1) with ESMTP id k82Isdio007880 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:54:39 -0400 Received: from bufordw2 ([150.169.17.3]) by redwood.research.panasonic.com (MOS 3.7.4b-GA) with SMTP id AIU67826; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:51:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "John Buford" To: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:54:29 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/57, host=redwood.research.panasonic.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090206.44F9D209.0011,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=150.169.17.3, so=2006-02-11 11:31:14, dmn=5.2.113/2006-07-26 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by oak.research.panasonic.com id k82Isdio007880 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 944ecb6e61f753561f559a497458fb4f Cc: Subject: [P2Prg] Last Call - P2P Multicasting (P2PM07) - Call For Papers Sept 7 deadline X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org This message is cross-posted to several lists. Apologies for any duplicate postings. CALL FOR PAPERS Workshop on Peer-to-Peer Multicasting (P2PM'07) www.samrg.org/p2pm07/ hosted by IEEE Consumer and Communications and Networking Conference 2007 (IEEE CCNC 2007) Jan 11, 2007, Las Vegas, NV, USA www.ieee-ccnc.org The convergence of networked consumer electronics and peer-to-peer networking enables new applications that require efficient multicast communication. These applications include peercasting of multimedia streams, multi-party conferencing, multi-player games, and group chat. Many consumer applications of multicasting involve small groups of users, and future P2P multicast services could need to support millions of simultaneous groups. Due to delayed deployment of native multicast, various end-system, application layer (ALM) and overlay multicast (OM) designs have been proposed. In the future, these protocols are expected to coexist and integrate with native IP multicast protocols while offering more flexible deployment options and scaling to support a greater number of simultaneous multicast groups. P2PM=9207 is intended to serve as a continuing forum for scientists and engineers in academia and industry to exchange and discuss their experiences, new ideas, and research results about all aspects of P2P multicasting. It will address the challenges, technologies, and architectures leading to real-world solutions that provide P2P users with efficient, flexible, and deployable multicast services. The principal theme of P2PM=9207 is the development of protocols, architectures and applications of peer-to-peer multicasting and the performance evaluation of these designs. Topics of particular interest include, but are not limited to: =AD Peer-to-peer overlays with multicast support =AD Small group multicast =AD Explicit multicasting =AD Application Layer Multicast (ALM) =AD Overlay Multicast (OM) =AD Peercasting Multicasting in mobile networks =AD Hybrid multicasting architectures =AD Comparitive analysis of ALM and OM architectures =AD Scalable integration of QoS mechanisms =AD Overlay content distribution =AD Multi-path routing for overlay multicasting =AD Methods for group formation and discovery that scale to large numbers of groups =AD Support for highly dynamic group membership =AD Efficient multicast for limited-resource nodes and access links =AD Control mechanisms for hybrid systems =AD Underlay network support and optimization =AD Deploying, diagnosing, debugging, and managing P2P multicast services =AD Geocasting =AD Multicasting in the global information grid (GIG) =AD Integration with network- and application-layer security mechanisms Important dates: Sept 7, 2006 Papers due Sept 30, 2006 Reviews returned Oct 10, 2006 Camera ready copy due Jan 11, 2007 Workshop Organizers John Buford, Panasonic Princeton Laboratory Keith Ross, Polytechnic University Technical Program Committee (preliminary) William Atwood (Concordia University) Bobby Bhattacharjee (University of Maryland) Fabi=E1n Bustamante (Northwestern University) Gary Chan (Hong Kong University of Science and Technology) Xiaoming Fu (University of Goettingen) Ali Ghodsi (Swedish Institute of Computer Science) Baochun Li (University of Toronto) Alan Messer (Samsung Electronics) Jeremy Mineweaser (MIT Lincoln Laboratory) Khaled Ragab (University of Tokyo) Mark Pullen (George Mason University) Sanjay Rao (Purdue University) Keith Ross (Polytechnic University) G=FCnter Sch=E4fer (Technische Universit=E4t Ilmenau) Zahir Tari (RMIT University) Kurt Tutschku (University of W=FCrzburg) Li Xiao (Michigan State University) Heather Yu (Panasonic Princeton Laboratory) Wenjun Zeng (University of Missouri, Columbia) Further information: See the following web sites: www.samrg.org/p2pm07/ http://www.ieee-ccnc.org/callforpapers/P2PM_workshop/index.html _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From canvassbhutan@earthlink.net Sat Sep 02 23:22:42 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJiZ4-0004zq-ET; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 23:22:30 -0400 Received: from red-corp-201.143.233.142.telnor.net ([201.143.233.142] helo=MARTINEZDIAZ.jsfqoaj.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJiXo-0001NH-Rn; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 23:21:17 -0400 Message-ID: <53703293733995.E4100B6EF0@PDFVV> From: "crosslink" To: Subject: budgetary Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 20:21:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: W02KcYxpaTxVOW6bX0EfspcpUrRFMbmsFQ3m Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.7 (++) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Attenttion all day traedrs and invesotrs Breaking news will realease on monday !!! 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From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Mon Sep 04 13:36:20 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIKv-0003VI-4W; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:34:17 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIKt-0003VB-Hw for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:34:15 -0400 Received: from wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de ([132.187.3.28] helo=mailrelay.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIKp-0007px-Qc for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:34:15 -0400 Received: from virusscan.mail (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay.mail (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC1614F8; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:34:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by virusscan.mail (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB591738; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:34:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from europa.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (wicx01.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.11.1]) by mailmaster.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DB7173A; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:34:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nero.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (win3005.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.106.5]) by europa.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.11.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id k84HY5s05384; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:34:05 +0200 Received: from Musa (nero.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.106.5]) by nero.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618DF6F58E; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:33:11 +0200 (CEST) From: "Kurt Tutschku" To: , , , , , , , , Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:34:00 +0200 Organization: Uni Wuerzburg Message-ID: <008901c6d048$4f09c1a0$806abb84@Musa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcbQSE6qnGJ0KHgUQlmWXQGVBvaecA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at uni-wuerzburg.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a1f9797ba297220533cb8c3f4bc709a8 Cc: Subject: [P2Prg] CfP: MobileP2P'07 - 4 Weeks to Go X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tutschku@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- (Please apologize for multiple copies) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Call-for-Paper 4th IEEE International Workshop on Mobile Peer-to-Peer Computing = (MP2P'07) http://www-info3.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de/mp2p2007 White Plains, NY, USA, March 19-23, 2007 In conjunction with the 5th IEEE International Conference on=20 Pervasive Computing and Communications (PerCom07) http://www.percom.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Peer-to-Peer (P2P) computing is a networking and distributed computing paradigm which allows the sharing of computing resources and services by direct, symmetric interaction between computers. The advance in mobile wireless communication technology and the increasing number of mobile = users, extend the arena of P2P computing to encompass mobile devices and = wireless networks. The special characteristics of mobile environments, such as highly variable connectivity, disconnection, location-dependency, = resource constraints, and diversity in wireless networks as well as carrier-grade performance requirements bring new challenges for research in mobile P2P computing. Based on the success of its three predecessors, MP2P'07 is intended to = serve as a continuing forum for scientists and engineers in academia and = industry to exchange and discuss their experiences, new ideas, and research = results about all aspects of mobile P2P computing. It will address the = challenges, technologies, and architectures leading to real-world solutions that = provide users with direct access and control of their critical peer-based information and services, regardless of location or device. The = principal theme of MP2P'07 is the development of protocols, systems and = applications of mobile P2P architectures and the evaluation of their performance.=20 Topics of particular interest include, but are not limited to: - Architecture and platforms for mobile P2P computing=20 - Measurement studies on mobile P2P systems - Performance of mobile P2P services - Resource and service discovery in mobile P2P computing - Resource exchange mechanisms in mobile P2P application - Multicast Protocols in mobile networks - Energy saving P2P protocols for mobile devices - Mobile P2P in wirelesss sensor networks - Security in mobile P2P networks - Mobile P2P over different kinds of bearer services: 2.5/3G (GPRS/UMTS) = /=20 802.11 (WLAN) - Mobile P2P & operator/provider requirements - Reliability and carrier-gradeness of mobile P2P services - Mobile P2P SIP - Mobile P2P & fixed P2P system interworking - Issues of combining P2P services with mobility (mobile IP / MANET)=20 - Peer access and control in mobile environment - Location dependent mobile P2P services - Data exchange and rendering techniques for mobile devices - Secure communication protocols for mobile P2P computing - Mobile P2P messaging systems - Peer-to-peer broadband wireless communications - Applications of mobile P2P - Middleware for mobile P2P - Nature-inspired algorithms for mobile P2P computing - Theoretical issues on mobile information diffusion - Mobile P2P video games - Stimulating cooperation in mobile computing - Multicast Protocols in mobile networks - Energy saving P2P protocols for mobile devices - Mobile P2P in wireless sensor networks Paper Submission:=20 ----------------- Papers must be written in English and should not exceed 5 pages in IEEE proceedings style. All submissions must describe original research, not published nor currently under review for another conference or journal. Authors MUST submit their papers through the PERDAS web site (http://www.percom.org/perdas) in three steps:=20 * Creation of a personal account on PERDAS (if the author does not = already=20 have one)=20 * Registration of the paper (requiring a short abstract of up to 150 = words)=20 * Upload of the paper. Only in pdf format=20 Submission implies the willingness of at least one of the authors to register and present=20 the paper.=20 There is only one registration for the whole PerCom "convention", all workshops included. The only exception from the full-registration rule = is: an author can register for her/his paper with a student registration if = i) (s)he is a student AND ii) on of her/his co-authors has a full = registration with PerCom. All submissions will be reviewed and selected based on their originality = of the paper. Accepted papers must be presented at the workshop and will = appear in a combined PerCom 2007 workshop proceedings published by IEEE = Computer Society Press.=20 Authors that present a system in their paper are highly encouraged to demonstrate also the system in the demo session of the workshop. Important Dates: ---------------- Papers due: 5pm EST, September 29, 2006 Notification of acceptance November 25, 2006 Camera-ready papers due to IEEE December 22, 2006 Organizing Committee, Program Co-chairs: ---------------------------------------- Kurt Tutschku, Department of Distributed Systems, University of = W=FCrzburg,=20 Germany. Acting Chair of Self-Organization and Distributed = Systems, TU Chemnitz, Germany. John Buford, Panasonic Princeton Laboratory, USA. Li Li, Communications Research Center Canada, Canada.=20 Steering Board: --------------- - Jiannong Cao, Department of Computing, Hong Kong Polytechnic = University. - Y. Charlie Hu, School of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Purdue=20 University. - Cecilia Mascolo, Department of Computer Science, University College=20 London.=20 - Maria Papadopouli, Department of Computer Science, University of North = Carolina at Chapel Hill. - Frank-Uwe Andersen, Siemens Communications, Germany. Publicity Chair: ---------------- Kurt Tutschku, Department of Distributed Systems, University of = W=FCrzburg, Germany=20 Acting Chair of Self-Organization and Distributed = Systems, TU Chemnitz, Germany. Program Committee Members: -------------------------- - Arup Acharya, IBM Watson Research Lab, USA. - Frank-Uwe Andersen, Siemens Communications, Germany. - Jiannong Cao, Hong Kong Polytechnic University, Hong Kong. - Geoff Coulson, Lancaster University, Lancaster, UK. - Hermann de Meer, Department of Computer Networks & Computer=20 Communications, University of Passau, Germany. - Franca Delmastro, CNR-IIT ,Pisa, Italy. - Krishna Dhara, Avaya Labs Research. - Babak Esfandiari, Carleton University, Canada. - Stephen Hailes, Department of Computer Science, University College of=20 London, UK. - Felix Hernandez-Campos, Department of Computer Science, University of=20 North Carolina at Chapel Hill, USA. - Y. Charlie Hu, School of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Purdue=20 University, USA. - Norihiro Ishikawa, NTT Docomo, Japan. - Valerie Issarny, INRIA, France. - Wolfgang Kellerer, DoCoMo Communications Laboratories Europe, Germany. - Kazuhiro Kitagawa, Keio University, Japan. - Rajeev Koodli, Nokia Research, USA. - Thomas Kunz, Dept. of Systems and Comp. Engineering, Carleton = University,=20 Canada. - Li Li, Communications Research Center Canada, , Canada. - Christoph Lindemann, Depart. of Communication Networks and = Distributed=20 Systems, University of Leipzig, Germany. - Vishal Misra, Dept. of Computer Science, Columbia University, New = York,=20 USA. - Maria Papadopouli, Department of Computer Science, University of North = Carolina at Chapel Hill , USA. - Rudolf Riedi, Department of Statistics, Rice University , USA. - George Roussos, School of Computer Science and Information Systems -=20 Birkbeck College, University of London, UK. - Jochen Schiller, Institute of Computer Science, FU Berlin, Germany. - Hans-Peter Schwefel, Department of Communication Technology, Aalborg=20 University, Denmark. - Shervin Shirmohammadi, School of Information Technology and = Engineering=20 (SITE), University of Ottawa, Canada. - Apostolos Traganitis, Telecommunications and Networks=20 Laboratory,University of Crete, Greece. - Kurt Tutschku, Department of Distributed Systems, University of = W=FCrzburg,=20 Germany. - Klaus Wehrle, Distributed Systems Group, RWTH Aachen, Germany. - Chansu Yu, Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, = Cleveland=20 State University, USA. --- Dr. Kurt Tutschku, Assistant Professor University of Wuerzburg Department of Distributed Systems Institute of Computer Science Am Hubland 97074 Wuerzburg Germany Tel.: +49-931-8886641=20 FAX: +49-931-8886632=20 mailto:tutschku@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de=20 or=20 mailto:kurttutschku@hotmail.com=20 http://www-info3.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de/staff/tutschku TU Chemnitz Acting Chair of Self-Organization and Distributed Systems Faculty of Computer Science Strasse der Nationen 62 09107 Chemnitz Germany Tel.: +49-371-531-35514 =20 FAX: +49-371-531-25539=20 mailto:tutschku@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de=20 _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 05 06:22:18 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKY39-00028c-P6; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 06:20:59 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKY38-00028V-As for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 06:20:58 -0400 Received: from deprox.docomolab-euro.com ([212.119.9.186]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKY32-0000mi-NZ for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 06:20:58 -0400 Received: from 172.27.10.3 by deprox.docomolab-euro.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:20:04 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 12:19:59 +0200 Message-ID: <28F05C819859B042BBF585C4997D5A4701034213@deex.docomolab-euro.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: CFP - 3rd workshop on service platforms for mobile systems (SPMS) in conjunction with SAINT 2007, Jaunuary 2006, Hiroshima, Japan Thread-Index: AcawnBKfkZFLNCi3QbyCPGsp5eqdEggN+h8A From: "Kellerer, Wolfgang" To: , , , , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 995b2e24d23b953c94bac5288c432399 Cc: "Kellerer, Wolfgang" Subject: [P2Prg] CFP - 3rd workshop on service platforms for mobile systems (SPMS) in conjunction with SAINT 2007, Jaunuary 2006, Hiroshima, Japan X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Please apologize multiple copies of this CFP. Call For Papers: 3rd IEEE SAINT 2007 Workshop on=20 Next Generation Service Platforms for Future Mobile Systems (SPMS 2007)=20 in conjunction with the 2007 International=20 Symposium on Applications and the Internet (SAINT)=20 Hiroshima, JAPAN, January 15-19, 2007=20 http://infonet.cse.kyutech.ac.jp/conf/saint07/=20 Deadline for Submission of Papers: September 22, 2006 Accepted papers will be published by IEEE CS press For more details see the below text or:=20 http://www.docomoeurolabs.de/callforpaper_SAINT_SPMS2007.html=20 Regards, Stefan ARBANOWSKI, FOKUS, Germany Wolfgang KELLERER, DoCoMo Euro-Labs, Germany Masayoshi OHASHI, KDDI, Japan Mitsuru UESUGI, Panasonic, Japan Workshop co-chairs=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3rd IEEE SAINT 2007 Workshop on=20 Next Generation Service Platforms for Future Mobile Systems (SPMS 2007)=20 (http://infonet.cse.kyutech.ac.jp/conf/saint07/workshops/CFPaper/index.h tml)=20 in conjunction with the 2007 International=20 Symposium on Applications and the Internet (SAINT)=20 Hiroshima, JAPAN, January 15-19, 2007=20 Theme of the Workshop: The enormous success of the Internet results to a large extent from the flexible and easy to use platform it provides to create innovative services and applications that quickly find acceptance and customers. In parallel to the Internet, mobile communications also has evolved to an integral component in our everyday life providing a growing variety of services. Industry is pushing new standards that allow high data rate multimedia applications as well as seamless communication across heterogeneous radio and network technologies including Fixed Mobile Convergence (FMC). The success of the next generation mobile telecommunication systems will again depend on the services and applications that can be provided. These future systems are expected to converge paradigms of traditional mobile telecommunication systems and the Internet protocols and software engineering methods. New paradigms will emerge. For example, the customer acceptance is considered to be widely increased by tailoring services and applications to actual user needs, their preferences and the context a user is in. Another example is Peer-to-Peer (P2P). Peer-to-Peer communication supports customers exchanging their own services and resources among each other (e.g., in communities). Furthermore, applying the Peer-to-Peer paradigm to existing system allows cost saving through reuse of available resources. A well engineered next generation service platform should provide all capabilities to allow innovative services to be created and deployed in short time addressing user needs and operator requirements. Open interfaces allow a chaining of expertise in service provisioning. Semantic technologies may help to structure knowledge about the user's vicinity.=20 Issues to be addressed in the workshop include:=20 - Open Service Architectures=20 - Mobile Service Platforms (in heterogeneous and ubiquitous environments)=20 - Mobile peer to peer networking and applications=20 - Capabilities and features for next generation mobile services (context-awareness, personalization/personal agent, high quality multimedia, information distribution)=20 - Semantic Service Building Blocks (service modelling, service creation, service discovery, service composition, service execution, service management)=20 - Privacy and trust as enabling technologies for service platforms=20 - Service platform prototypes, trials, test beds, and evaluation=20 - Innovative mobile applications and services=20 This Workshop is the best opportunity to address this highly important theme in sufficient depth and breadth. It is intended to share knowledge and exchange ideas to promote new studies a nd research topics in the area of service provisioning in IP-based mobile systems. The workshop is open to contributions from all experts in service technologies from industry and academia, including bodies such as mITF and WWRF, but not being limited to those. The Mobile IT Forum (mITF) and the Wireless World Research Forum (WWRF) are both organizations working towards the next generation of mobile communication systems. Those bodies represent each more than 140 member organizations (including companies, universities, and research institutes). Those bodies have dedicated working groups to the architecture/platform challenge. This workshop will be the unique opportunity to discuss service architecture/platform issues on a highly international level with experts from these bodies.=20 Papers and Author's Kit: Workshop papers should be within 4 pages, no extra page is allowed. The Proceedings of the Symposium and the Workshops will be published, in separated volumes, by the IEEE Computer Society Press. Please follow the instruction on the web below for preparing your Workshop papers. http://infonet.cse.kyutech.ac.jp/conf/saint07/> Author's Kit etc.=20 Paper Submission: Papers should be sent to the Organizers no later than September 22, 2006. After a review process by Organizers and Program Committee of the Workshop, authors of accepted papers will be requested to send its final manuscript to IEEE-CS press no later than November 1, 2006. So, authors are kindly requested to submit papers as early as possible to facilitate a review process.=20 Registration: It is the IEEE policy that accepted papers can be published only when IEEE recognized that at least one author has registered for presentation. So, authors will be requested to register along with the final manuscript. SAINT Conference Registration fees include a copy of the Conference proceedings, a copy of the Workshop proceedings, admission to the Conference/Workshop sessions.=20 Note: The date and length (a full or half day) of the Workshop will be decided by SAINT2007 Organizing Committee taking account of the number submitted of papers, and be notified on the SAINT2007 web. Please also note that, according to the SAINT2007 Organizing Committee, the Workshop is subject to cancellation when the number submitted of papers will not be enough.=20 Organizers: Stefan ARBANOWSKI, Fraunhofer FOKUS, Germany, WWRF=20 arbanowski@fokus.fraunhofer.de=20 Wolfgang KELLERER, DoCoMo Euro-Labs, Germany, WWRF=20 kellerer@docomolab-euro.com=20 Masayoshi OHASHI, KDDI, Japan, mITF=20 ma-oohashi@kddi.com=20 Mitsuru UESUGI, Panasonic Japan, mITF=20 uesugi.mitsuru@jp.panasonic.com=20 ------------------------------------------ Dr.-Ing. Wolfgang Kellerer Senior Manager Future Networking Lab Ubiquitous Services Platform =20 DoCoMo Communications Laboratories Europe GmbH Landsberger Str. 312 80687 Munich, Germany =20 Tel. +49-89-56824-222 Fax. +49-89-56824-300 E-mail: kellerer@docomolab-euro.com http://www.docomolab-euro.com ------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 05 15:06:33 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKgES-0008Mx-Ow; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:05:12 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKgER-0008Mj-GD for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:05:11 -0400 Received: from smtpout15-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([68.178.232.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKgEM-00024F-SN for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:05:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 12881 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 19:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gem-wbe22.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) (64.202.189.206) by smtpout15-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 19:04:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 31862 invoked by uid 99); 5 Sep 2006 19:04:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:04:56 -0700 From: maaz@maazios.com To: p2prg@ietf.org Message-ID: <20060905120456.efbc1ad39fa977fb8d7080a5514d182d.a25d462c0c.wbe@email.secureserver.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII User-Agent: Web-Based Email 4.7.2 X-Originating-IP: 67.174.199.54 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a1852b4f554b02e7e4548cc7928acc1f Subject: [P2Prg] New P2P Application Software and its Issues X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Hello Everyone. I am a new subscriber. I recently launched a version 1.0 software called Maazios. It is a suite of consumer P2P software applications (it deals with new application domains using a p2p approach). It is like an application "browser" combined with an application web server. It allows home users to have for free - classified ads, auctions, storefront, yellow page ads, message boards, chat room, pseudo DNS, pseudo email, a publish/subscribe app, and a user feedback history tracking. But the key problem I have seen many new users encounter is firewall server port allow and port forwarding setup on their cable/dsl router; I designed Maazios to require the user's computer to be able to accept incoming connections from the internet. I did this because I do not believe supernodes/superpeers is right to utilize for a true P2P system. I believe direct connection between two peers is more efficient and fair to all peers in the network. Many peers have an abundance of free disk space but limited broadband capacity. Here is a preliminary range of issues brought up by new users and onlookers: Security and hacker attacks (denial of service/flooding) because of opened server port requirement. Data integrity of the application items (since it is stored on the user's machine along with the index of other user's app items in encrypted databases) Transaction integrity/security/user feedback/payment process for storefront orders or completed auctions Junk application items created Search performance plus many other ones not brought up yet I think the above issues raised will also be encountered by many future P2P systems as they move into new application domains. If you have a Windows 2000/XP/2003 computer available and can set up the firewall/portforwarding, you can install and try my software (www.maazios.com). Currently, I only have six test machines setup with ~100 test application items. Without the server port, then you will only be able to view or interact with the test application items; any items you create will not be viewable/touched by others. Please let me know (info@maazios.com) if you have problems with the install or other questions. Sincerely, Tai Yu aka Professor M Founder, Maazios Corporation Below are screenshots of Maazios (it is a "complete" software package). The following pics show what you see of your own "stuff": Your own start page; many items created and things filled in elsewhere. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_Main_Start.JPG A preferences form for you to fill in so start page looks nicer and location info can be used by other apps. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_Main_Preferences.JPG History of app items and domains you've been to. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_Main_History.JPG Connect by IP Address UI - used if you know your friend/family's external IP. Note it shows your external IP address on top. Successful connect will show other party's domain name and description. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_Connect_by_IP.JPG The Pseudo Email "outlook" like UI. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_Memail_inbox.JPG System reminders show useful tidbits you should be aware of about your computer and application items. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_Memail_sys_reminders.JPG >From the Search UI A simple search for "bracelet" http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_Search_regular.JPG Sample of other people's "stuff"; doubleclick to see it (other person's Maazios must be on and connectable). http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_Whats_New.JPG What other Maazios users are searching for. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_Search_what_others_are_searching.JPG Your favorites list - domains shown; favorite app items also possible. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_My_Favorites_domains.JPG >From the Auction Management UI One of your created auctions that is active now. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_My_Auctions.JPG Save time by filling in this preferences since will be used by all your own auctions. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_Auction_Preferences.JPG Your auction watch - watching other Maazios users' auctions. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_AuctionWatch_My_Auction_Watch_tab.JPG Your bid/buy requests to other Maazios users' auctions and the request's status (it may fail - ex. network problem). http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_AuctionWatch_My_Requests_tab.JPG Your winning bids of other Maazios users' auctions and its related info. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_AuctionWatch_My_Winning_Bids_tab.JPG Your own Feedback History UI What other Maazios users said about you - only your auctions and storefront for now. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_My_Feedback_History.JPG Your own Chat Rooms UI http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_My_Chat_Rooms.JPG Your own Classified Ads UI http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_My_Classified_Ads.JPG Your own Message Boards UI http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_My_Message_Boards.JPG Your own Publish/Subscribe UI http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_My_Publications.JPG http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_My_Subscriptions.JPG Your own Yellow Page Ads UI http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_My_YellowPage.jpg Your own Storefront Management UI Example of one of your item for sale. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_Storefront_My_Storefront.JPG Fill in preferences since used for your storefront and its items. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_Storefront_Preferences.JPG Your orders from other Maazios users' storefront. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_Storefront_My_Orders.jpg Your customers' orders - New ones, Canceled by you, and Shipped by you http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_Storefront_My_Customers_Orders_new_orders.JPG http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_Storefront_My_Customers_Orders_cancelled_orders.JPG http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_Storefront_My_Customers_Orders_shipped.JPG The following is when you go to some other Maazios user's "site" or application item: You are looking at someone's domain page (notice what's available). http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_seen_by_JD/KG_domain_seen_by_JD.JPG You are looking at someone's auction (useful pic on bottom). http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_seen_by_JD/KG_auction_seen_by_JD.JPG You are in someone's chat room. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_seen_by_JD/KG_chat_with_JD.JPG A list of someone's application items - chat rooms in this case. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_seen_by_JD/KG_chatroom_list_seen_by_JD.JPG You are looking at someone's Classified ad. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_seen_by_JD/KG_clasAd_seen_by_JD.JPG You are looking at someone's Feedback history. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_seen_by_JD/KG_feedback_history_seen_by_JD.JPG You are in someone's message board. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_seen_by_JD/KG_mb_seen_by_JD.JPG You are in someone's storefront. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_seen_by_JD/KG_storefront_seen_by_JD.JPG You checking out an order in someone's storefront. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_seen_by_JD/KG_storefront_shopcart_seen_by_JD.JPG You are in someone's Auction domain - which list all auctions of this Maazios user. http://www.maazios.com/scsh/KG_seen_by_JD/KG_auction_domain_seen_by_JD.JPG Now you realize why the firewall/portforward setup correctly is needed - so that other Maazios users can see and do things to your "stuff" and vice versa. _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From jetmail999oooku@yahoo.com Wed Sep 06 00:34:12 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKp76-0006OK-KE for P2PRG-ARCHIVE@LISTS.IETF.ORG; 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From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 06 16:59:37 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL4T4-0007Rf-Dr; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:57:54 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL4T2-0007P0-Nn for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:57:52 -0400 Received: from web56215.mail.re3.yahoo.com ([216.252.110.224]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL4T1-0002Zm-AY for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:57:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 22208 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Sep 2006 20:57:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NXIeTACPa9SneA3EqjKGUzfz9bENGv9GcIw+zllP1R8zQyaKHGvT+rzz3qqmLR7U8WDozSTf36v0/FfGqTHP85OC6/jbrfJIyh/ocT2loVkKR6pEmC6IpW6K3he2p4bw0n04QKNmy+QVqzLUg42zNWBGl1Tvr8vkulu7kT9gWIM= ; Message-ID: <20060906205733.22206.qmail@web56215.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.67.22.157] by web56215.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:57:33 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 13:57:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Qi Han To: p2prg@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d16ce744298aacf98517bc7c108bd198 Subject: [P2Prg] CFP: Third IEEE International Workshop on Sensor Networks and Systems for Pervasive Computing (PerSeNS 2007) X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org [Apologies for possible multiple copies] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Third IEEE PerCom International Workshop on Sensor Networks and Systems for Pervasive Computing (PerSeNS 2007) http://www.ing.unipi.it/persens/ in conjunction with IEEE PerCom 2007 (http://www.percom.org/) March 19-23, 2007 - White Plains, NY, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CALL FOR PAPERS Thanks to wireless sensor networks, pervasive computing environments are becoming a reality. Wireless sensor networks are aggregates of sensor nodes into sophisticated sensing, computational and communication infrastructures. These new networks are having a significant impact (and promises to have even more) on a wide array of applications ranging from military, to scientific, to industrial, to health-care, to domestic, establishing ubiquitous computing that will pervade society and redefine the way in which we live and work. The goal of this workshop is to provide a forum to exchange ideas, discuss solutions, and share experiences among researchers, professionals, and application developers both from industry and academia. Original papers addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of sensor networks are solicited. Papers describing prototype and experimental implementations and deployment of sensor networks and systems are particularly welcome. Topics of interest include but are not limited to: - Sensor-based systems and applications - Operating systems - Middleware and software tools - Networking architectures and protocols - Data gathering, aggregation and dissemination - Topology control - Power management and energy-efficient design - Time synchronization - Location management - Sensor networks with mobile elements - Cross-layer architectures - Intelligent sensor nodes - Security and dependability issues - Modelling and performance evaluation - Measurements PAPER SUBMISSION Papers should contain original material and not be previously published, or currently submitted for consideration elsewhere. Manuscripts must be limited to 5 pages in IEEE 8.5x11 conference format, and formatted in accordance with the IEEE Computer Society author guidelines (ftp://pubftp.computer.org/Press/Outgoing/proceedings/INSTRUCT.HTM) All submissions will be handled electronically. Authors should prepare a PDF file and submit it through PERDAS (http://www.percom.org/perdas). Accepted papers will be published by the IEEE Computer Society in the combined PerCom 2007 workshops proceedings. IMPORTANT DATES Papers due September 29, 2006 Notification of acceptance November 25, 2007 Camera-ready papers due December 22, 2007 WORKSHOP CO-ORGANIZERS Giuseppe Anastasi Dept. of Information Engineering University of Pisa Via Diotisalvi 2, 56122 Pisa - Italy E-mail: g.anastasi@iet.unipi.it Silvia Giordano Dept. of Technologies and Innovations University of Applied Science - SUPSI Galleria 2 - Via Cantonale 6928 Manno - Switzerland Email: silvia.giordano@supsi.ch Stephan Olariu Department of Computer Science Old Dominion University Norfolk, VA 23529-0162, U.S.A. Email: olariu@cs.odu.edu TECHNICAL PROGRAM COMMITTEE Ozgur Akan, Middle East Technical University at Ankara, Turkey Edoardo Biagioni, University of Hawaii at Manoa, USA Gaetano Borriello, University of Washington, USA Levente Buttyan, Budapest Univ. of Technology and Economics, Hungary Vinny Cahill, Trinity College, Ireland Tiziana Calamoneri, University of Rome "La Sapienza", Italy Carla Fabiana Chiasserini, Politecnico di Torino, Italy Sajal Das, University of Texas at Arlington, USA Isabelle Guerin Lassous, INRIA, France Qi Han, Colorado School of Mines, USA Holger Karl, University Paderborn, Germany Cecilia Mascolo, University of College London, UK Archan Misra, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center, USA Amy Murphy, University of Lugano, Switzerland Luca Negri, Philips, Switzerland Sotiris Nikoletseas, Patras University, Greece Symeon Papavassiliou, National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece Ravi Prakash, University of Texas at Dallas, USA Maria Giovanna Sami, Politecnico di Milano, Italy Rahul Shah, Intel, Berkeley, USA Mitali Singh, Juniper Networks, USA Mani Srivastava, UCLA, USA Ivan Stojmenovic, University of Ottawa, Canada Ioannis Stavrakakis, University of Athens, Greece Yu-Chee Tseng, National Chiao Tung University, Taiwan Laura Vanzago, ST Microelectonics, Italy Jie Wu, Florida Atlantic University, USA Mohamed Younis, University of Maryland, USA PUBLICITY CO-CHAIRS Mario Di Francesco, University of Pisa, Italy Qi Han, Colorado School of Mines, USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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P2P can be a promising technology on which we can depend lives of ours and our children, upon which we can build sustainable societies. Designs of P2P systems are characterized by their usage of overlay networks such that there is symmetry in the roles among participants. This implies distribution of authorities, not only preventing introduction of single points of failure, but also assuring a level of autonomy which allows many of us to spontaneously start, maintain, or recover from failures of, such systems. Although difficulties exist, such as uncertainty in the trust among participants, one needs to be aware that such difficulties are, in many parts, due to our own human nature; depending on P2P is, in fact and literally, depending on ourselves and our friends, who seem to be the only ones we can trust anyway, when it comes to our own survival. The goal of this workshop is to share experiences, insights and new ideas, and set forth research agendas and suggestive future directions by collaborations among researchers with different disciplines and with similar interests toward dependability and sustainability. The following is a non-exhaustive list of relevant topics: * Designs and operations of dependable and sustainable P2P systems - Self-organization and emergence - Attack-resistance - Fault tolerance - Mobility - Sustainable operations - Sustainable mutual trust - Sustainable reciprocal relationships * Applications and social impacts of dependable and sustainable P2P systems - Sustainable economy - Sustainable governance - Sustainable lifestyles - Rescue activities - Post-catastrophic recovery - Tackling environmental problems The program of the workshop will be a combination of invited talks, paper presentations and discussions. [SUBMISSION INSTRUCTIONS] The workshop invites your contributions of previously unpublished papers, which will be selected based on their originality, technical merit and topical relevance. Papers will also be selected by the likelihood that they will lead to interesting and fruitful discussions at the workshop. For information for authors, see the following SAINT 2007 page: http://infonet.cse.kyutech.ac.jp/conf/saint07/author/index.html See the workshop web site (http://das-p2p.wide.ad.jp/) for the submission procedure. [PUBLICATION] Proceedings of the workshop will be published by IEEE Computer Society Press. [IMPORTANT DATES] Paper submission due: September 22, 2006 Notification of acceptance: October 16, 2006 Camera-ready copies due: November 1, 2006 Author registration due: November 1, 2006 Workshop: January 15-19, 2007 (exact date is TBD) [REGISTRATION] Workshop registration will be handled by the SAINT 2007 organization along with the main conference registration. It is the IEEE policy that accepted papers can be published only when IEEE recognized that at least one author has registered for presentation. So, authors will be requested to register along with the final manuscript. SAINT Conference Registration fees include a copy of the Conference proceedings, a copy of the Workshop proceedings, admission to the Conference/Workshop sessions. [PROGRAM COMMITTEE] * Stephane Bressan, National University of Singapore, Singapore * Roger Dingledine, The Free Haven Project, USA * Yusuke Doi, TOSHIBA Corporation, Japan (co-chair) * Claudiu Duma, Linkoping University, Sweden * Debojyoti Dutta, University of Southern California, USA * Noria Foukia, University of Otago, New Zealand * Maria Gini, University of Minnesota, USA * Achmad Nizar Hidayanto, University of Indonesia, Indonesia * Youki Kadobayashi, Nara Instritute of Science and Technology, Japan (co-chair) * Anirban Mondal, University of Tokyo, Japan * Elizabeth Ogston, Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam, Netherlands * Akiko Orita, Keio University, Japan * Omer F Rana, Cardiff University, UK * Kenji Saito, Keio University, Japan (co-chair) * Claudio Sartori, University of Bologna, Italy * Ben Y. 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Here is a brand new entry into the Red Hot art sector. Less than one month after their entry was made public, A-L-V-N makes as acquisition announcement which sends their s_t_o_c_k price flying up by over 300concentric.net !! BREAKING NEWS ON A-L-V-N: A4L GALLERY Presents Dan Dimonda: Faceless Thursday September 7, 4:15 pm ET Long Island-born Artist Dan Dimonda Will Showcase His Latest Works at Art-4Love's A4L GALLERYThis First Solo Show for Dimonda Entitled 'Dan Dimonda: Faceless' Art-4Love Inc. (OTC: A-L-V-N.PK - News) announces the tenth show of its inaugural season at A4L GALLERY. Dan Dimonda will showcase his latest works in "Dan Dimonda: Faceless," which will run from August 21, 2006 through September 9, 2006. The closing reception will be held on Saturday, September 9, 2006 from 7:00 to 11:00 PM at A4L GALLERY, 45 East 20th Street, 9th floor, New York, NY 10003, between Broadway and Park Avenue South.Long Island-born Dimonda's recent works are a probing investigation into appearances and their relationship to meaning. These works of faceless figures probe the many facets of the true self and our attempts to rework them with our outward presentation of our visages. Dimonda states about his work, "The face gives away too much without answering anything. Why do we look for a face? It is not the face that we see when we look at a person, we see who we are, what we do, how we feel that makes us who we are. Who cares what you look like if your colors are beautiful?" With roots in the surrealistic content of Magrite and the stylistic musings of the Pop Movement, Dimonda's works both astonish with their simplicity and depth and affirm our desire to see beyond that, which is presented to us. This will be Dimonda's first solo show. "This exhibition of Dimonda's latest works underscores the commitment A4L GALLERY has to its emerging artists," said Chad Love Lieberman, Founder and CEO of Art-4Love. "Whether our artists are well-known or just beginning their careers, Art-4Love and A4L GALLERY will continue to fulfill its mission of bringing the world's most distinguished creative talent to private buyers and dealers in New York as well as to its core architectural and art consultant clients," added Mr. Lieberman. About the Company: Art-4Love Inc. (OTC: A-L-V-N - News) is an emerging growth art company with access to the works of 1,300 artists from 45 countries, representing the rights of over 17,000 pieces of original artwork by both established and emerging artists worldwide. 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Call For Papers: 3rd IEEE SAINT 2007 Workshop on=20 Next Generation Service Platforms for Future Mobile Systems (SPMS 2007)=20 in conjunction with the 2007 International=20 Symposium on Applications and the Internet (SAINT)=20 Hiroshima, JAPAN, January 15-19, 2007=20 http://infonet.cse.kyutech.ac.jp/conf/saint07/=20 Deadline for Submission of Papers: September 22, 2006 Accepted papers will be published by IEEE CS press For more details see the below text or:=20 http://www.docomoeurolabs.de/callforpaper_SAINT_SPMS2007.html=20 Regards, Stefan ARBANOWSKI, FOKUS, Germany Wolfgang KELLERER, DoCoMo Euro-Labs, Germany Masayoshi OHASHI, KDDI, Japan Mitsuru UESUGI, Panasonic, Japan Workshop co-chairs=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3rd IEEE SAINT 2007 Workshop on=20 Next Generation Service Platforms for Future Mobile Systems (SPMS 2007)=20 (http://infonet.cse.kyutech.ac.jp/conf/saint07/workshops/CFPaper/index.h tml)=20 in conjunction with the 2007 International=20 Symposium on Applications and the Internet (SAINT)=20 Hiroshima, JAPAN, January 15-19, 2007=20 Theme of the Workshop: The enormous success of the Internet results to a large extent from the flexible and easy to use platform it provides to create innovative services and applications that quickly find acceptance and customers. In parallel to the Internet, mobile communications also has evolved to an integral component in our everyday life providing a growing variety of services. Industry is pushing new standards that allow high data rate multimedia applications as well as seamless communication across heterogeneous radio and network technologies including Fixed Mobile Convergence (FMC). The success of the next generation mobile telecommunication systems will again depend on the services and applications that can be provided. These future systems are expected to converge paradigms of traditional mobile telecommunication systems and the Internet protocols and software engineering methods. New paradigms will emerge. For example, the customer acceptance is considered to be widely increased by tailoring services and applications to actual user needs, their preferences and the context a user is in. Another example is Peer-to-Peer (P2P). Peer-to-Peer communication supports customers exchanging their own services and resources among each other (e.g., in communities). Furthermore, applying the Peer-to-Peer paradigm to existing system allows cost saving through reuse of available resources. A well engineered next generation service platform should provide all capabilities to allow innovative services to be created and deployed in short time addressing user needs and operator requirements. Open interfaces allow a chaining of expertise in service provisioning. Semantic technologies may help to structure knowledge about the user's vicinity.=20 Issues to be addressed in the workshop include:=20 - Open Service Architectures=20 - Mobile Service Platforms (in heterogeneous and ubiquitous environments)=20 - Mobile peer to peer networking and applications=20 - Capabilities and features for next generation mobile services (context-awareness, personalization/personal agent, high quality multimedia, information distribution)=20 - Semantic Service Building Blocks (service modelling, service creation, service discovery, service composition, service execution, service management)=20 - Privacy and trust as enabling technologies for service platforms=20 - Service platform prototypes, trials, test beds, and evaluation=20 - Innovative mobile applications and services=20 This Workshop is the best opportunity to address this highly important theme in sufficient depth and breadth. It is intended to share knowledge and exchange ideas to promote new studies a nd research topics in the area of service provisioning in IP-based mobile systems. The workshop is open to contributions from all experts in service technologies from industry and academia, including bodies such as mITF and WWRF, but not being limited to those. The Mobile IT Forum (mITF) and the Wireless World Research Forum (WWRF) are both organizations working towards the next generation of mobile communication systems. Those bodies represent each more than 140 member organizations (including companies, universities, and research institutes). Those bodies have dedicated working groups to the architecture/platform challenge. This workshop will be the unique opportunity to discuss service architecture/platform issues on a highly international level with experts from these bodies.=20 Papers and Author's Kit: Workshop papers should be within 4 pages, no extra page is allowed. The Proceedings of the Symposium and the Workshops will be published, in separated volumes, by the IEEE Computer Society Press. Please follow the instruction on the web below for preparing your Workshop papers. http://infonet.cse.kyutech.ac.jp/conf/saint07/> Author's Kit etc.=20 Paper Submission: Papers should be sent to the Organizers no later than September 22, 2006. After a review process by Organizers and Program Committee of the Workshop, authors of accepted papers will be requested to send its final manuscript to IEEE-CS press no later than November 1, 2006. So, authors are kindly requested to submit papers as early as possible to facilitate a review process.=20 Registration: It is the IEEE policy that accepted papers can be published only when IEEE recognized that at least one author has registered for presentation. So, authors will be requested to register along with the final manuscript. SAINT Conference Registration fees include a copy of the Conference proceedings, a copy of the Workshop proceedings, admission to the Conference/Workshop sessions.=20 Note: The date and length (a full or half day) of the Workshop will be decided by SAINT2007 Organizing Committee taking account of the number submitted of papers, and be notified on the SAINT2007 web. Please also note that, according to the SAINT2007 Organizing Committee, the Workshop is subject to cancellation when the number submitted of papers will not be enough.=20 Organizers: Stefan ARBANOWSKI, Fraunhofer FOKUS, Germany, WWRF=20 arbanowski@fokus.fraunhofer.de=20 Wolfgang KELLERER, DoCoMo Euro-Labs, Germany, WWRF=20 kellerer@docomolab-euro.com=20 Masayoshi OHASHI, KDDI, Japan, mITF=20 ma-oohashi@kddi.com=20 Mitsuru UESUGI, Panasonic Japan, mITF=20 uesugi.mitsuru@jp.panasonic.com=20 ------------------------------------------ Dr.-Ing. 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From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 19 10:23:04 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPgTV-0000ea-17; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:21:25 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPgTT-0000eQ-38 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:21:23 -0400 Received: from web56205.mail.re3.yahoo.com ([216.252.110.214]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPgTL-0001Ie-Lk for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:21:23 -0400 Received: (qmail 83062 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Sep 2006 14:21:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wXkYYR2hePDIGtQtsfw0a+JgiwNvHqdsmiMOvQ6PgNlv+yug1rmGmRCc89Z0+SYKQBOzn1oDqmn6P+7NY1rxS4Qm+dyznNEc7myzXrx66rp/R/eSbc0zrMIF4beNdDxX+KOmvRzT2dvfUeUd6R2O5OJkp6hJsE0Rt5ihv1TIGrc= ; Message-ID: <20060919142115.83060.qmail@web56205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.67.22.157] by web56205.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:21:15 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:21:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Qi Han To: p2prg@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd3fc8e909678b38737fc606dec187f0 Subject: [P2Prg] CFP: Third IEEE International Workshop on Sensor Networks and Systems for Pervasive Computing (PerSeNS 2007) X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org [Apologies for possible multiple copies] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Third IEEE PerCom International Workshop on Sensor Networks and Systems for Pervasive Computing (PerSeNS 2007) http://www.ing.unipi.it/persens/ in conjunction with IEEE PerCom 2007 (http://www.percom.org/) March 19-23, 2007 - White Plains, NY, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CALL FOR PAPERS Thanks to wireless sensor networks, pervasive computing environments are becoming a reality. Wireless sensor networks are aggregates of sensor nodes into sophisticated sensing, computational and communication infrastructures. These new networks are having a significant impact (and promises to have even more) on a wide array of applications ranging from military, to scientific, to industrial, to health-care, to domestic, establishing ubiquitous computing that will pervade society and redefine the way in which we live and work. The goal of this workshop is to provide a forum to exchange ideas, discuss solutions, and share experiences among researchers, professionals, and application developers both from industry and academia. Original papers addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of sensor networks are solicited. Papers describing prototype and experimental implementations and deployment of sensor networks and systems are particularly welcome. Topics of interest include but are not limited to: - Sensor-based systems and applications - Operating systems - Middleware and software tools - Networking architectures and protocols - Data gathering, aggregation and dissemination - Topology control - Power management and energy-efficient design - Time synchronization - Location management - Sensor networks with mobile elements - Cross-layer architectures - Intelligent sensor nodes - Security and dependability issues - Modelling and performance evaluation - Measurements PAPER SUBMISSION Papers should contain original material and not be previously published, or currently submitted for consideration elsewhere. Manuscripts must be limited to 5 pages in IEEE 8.5x11 conference format, and formatted in accordance with the IEEE Computer Society author guidelines (ftp://pubftp.computer.org/Press/Outgoing/proceedings/INSTRUCT.HTM) All submissions will be handled electronically. Authors should prepare a PDF file and submit it through PERDAS (http://www.percom.org/perdas). Accepted papers will be published by the IEEE Computer Society in the combined PerCom 2007 workshops proceedings. IMPORTANT DATES Papers due September 29, 2006 Notification of acceptance November 25, 2007 Camera-ready papers due December 22, 2007 WORKSHOP CO-ORGANIZERS Giuseppe Anastasi Dept. of Information Engineering University of Pisa Via Diotisalvi 2, 56122 Pisa - Italy E-mail: g.anastasi@iet.unipi.it Silvia Giordano Dept. of Technologies and Innovations University of Applied Science - SUPSI Galleria 2 - Via Cantonale 6928 Manno - Switzerland Email: silvia.giordano@supsi.ch Stephan Olariu Department of Computer Science Old Dominion University Norfolk, VA 23529-0162, U.S.A. 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13:17:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Samrat Bhattacharjee Message-Id: <200609261717.k8QHHq2o025674@ringding.cs.umd.edu> To: p2prg@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: byeager@fastmail.fm Subject: [P2Prg] RG participation. X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Hello... Our research group has been dormant for some time now, and the IRTF chair (cc'ed) has enquired if it makes sense to continue the P2P-RG. It is clear that all who are members here are working on their own P2P research; however, the RG has not (yet) been quite the forum for exchanging ideas that we had initially hoped. This is not to take away from the work that the RG has already produced, however, lately, there does not seem to be much activity, and this is of concern. Bottom line: Should we still keep this RG open? If you have a strong opinion one way or another, please drop us a line. Note that silence implies that we recommend to the IRTF that the RG be shut down, so if you are in favor of continuing this group, please include some ideas on how to generate more research activity. Thanks. Bill and Bobby _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 26 14:37:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSHnR-0000A1-Cb; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:36:45 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSHnQ-00009v-Jf for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:36:44 -0400 Received: from smtp5.smtp.bt.com ([217.32.164.139]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSHnH-0001aW-Hz for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:36:44 -0400 Received: from i2kc07-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.14]) by smtp5.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:36:30 +0100 Received: from E03MVZ1-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.30.61]) by i2kc07-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:36:29 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [P2Prg] RG participation. Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:36:29 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [P2Prg] RG participation. Thread-Index: AcbhkFmy4X/bLlJoRRqnobQhjmLhOAACYYwy References: <200609261717.k8QHHq2o025674@ringding.cs.umd.edu> From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2006 18:36:29.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE8CBCF0:01C6E19A] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Cc: byeager@fastmail.fm X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org In the spirit of wild speculation, and at risk of starting a debate, I = wonder if the nature of the P2P domain e.g.=20 edge deployment your app talking to your app built on workarounds and what can be prototyped rapidly bypassing agreement from carriers or industrial bodies ... underlies the silence of this particular research group.=20 That doesn't mean there isn't research to be done, but it's not clear = what in mainstream P2P development would require something like = 'standardization' which is historically the strength of IETF activity. Cefn http://cefn.com http://labs.bt.com -----Original Message----- From: Samrat Bhattacharjee [mailto:bobby@cs.umd.edu] Sent: Tue 9/26/2006 6:17 PM To: p2prg@ietf.org Cc: byeager@fastmail.fm Subject: [P2Prg] RG participation. =20 Hello... Our research group has been dormant for some time now, and the IRTF chair (cc'ed) has enquired if it makes sense to continue the P2P-RG. =20 It is clear that all who are members here are working on their own P2P research; however, the RG has not (yet) been quite the forum for exchanging ideas that we had initially hoped. This is not to take away from the work that the RG has already produced, however, lately, there does not seem to be much activity, and this is of concern. Bottom line: Should we still keep this RG open? If you have a strong opinion one way or another, please drop us a line. Note that silence implies that we recommend to the IRTF that the RG be shut down, so if you are in favor of continuing this group, please include some ideas on how to generate more research activity. Thanks. Bill and Bobby _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 26 15:54:37 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSIzv-0004LU-AB; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:53:43 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSIzu-0004LN-If for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:53:42 -0400 Received: from smtpout14-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([68.178.232.8]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSIzm-0006pd-Sk for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:53:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 20588 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2006 19:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail13.mesa1.secureserver.net) (64.202.189.54) by smtpout14-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2006 19:53:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 31178 invoked by uid 99); 26 Sep 2006 19:53:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:53:25 -0700 From: maaz@maazios.com Subject: RE: [P2Prg] RG participation. To: cefn.hoile@bt.com Message-ID: <20060926125325.efbc1ad39fa977fb8d7080a5514d182d.279618c31f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII User-Agent: Web-Based Email 4.8.2 X-Originating-IP: 67.174.199.76 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Cc: bobby@cs.umd.edu, p2prg@ietf.org, byeager@fastmail.fm X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org If I may add my 2 cents (after witnessing new testers/users' behaviors as well as realizing the deficiencies in my Maazios software), 1. I wish the connectivity hurdle to implement by p2p developers and the configurations/adjustments needed to be done by p2p end users would be easier. 2. Nice to have - IETF standardized handshake process and communication protocol structures for p2p software (instead of each developer creating their own flavor). The app talking to app is not a problem if there's a standard outer shell/container to put app data in. 3. The rapid prototyping is not a real hurdle; the trick is to get testers/users to leave the p2p software running long enough to see the problems and issues that crop up; in contrast, many websites/servers are "active" for very long periods of time. 4. ISPs/Carriers who block or degrade p2p traffic - if they do this, they might as well do this to all internet traffic (ex. even from large websites); strangely, I do wonder why they do not move away from the all you can eat buffet pricing model (where a small percentage of the users probably use up >80% of the network capacity) to the model used by web hosters (ex. godaddy $29 per 0.5TB of data bandwidth) who treat bandwidth like water - exceed a certain amount, you pay more. 5. Bad consumer class routers and firewall software - I've experienced routers that pretend to do portforwarding and firewalls still blocking when told not to - not entirely sure whether these are done intentionally or just poor quality in implementation. The research papers presented at those p2p conferences are quite interesting and insightful - but until a nice p2p foundation layer is put together and deployed to end users, it will continue to be difficult for p2p research and app development. Tai Yu www.maazios.com > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [P2Prg] RG participation. > From: cefn.hoile@bt.com > Date: Tue, September 26, 2006 11:36 am > To: , > Cc: byeager@fastmail.fm > > In the spirit of wild speculation, and at risk of starting a debate, I wonder if the nature of the P2P domain e.g. > > edge deployment > your app talking to your app > built on workarounds and what can be prototyped rapidly > bypassing agreement from carriers or industrial bodies > > ... underlies the silence of this particular research group. > > That doesn't mean there isn't research to be done, but it's not clear what in mainstream P2P development would require something like 'standardization' which is historically the strength of IETF activity. > > Cefn > http://cefn.com > http://labs.bt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Samrat Bhattacharjee [mailto:bobby@cs.umd.edu] > Sent: Tue 9/26/2006 6:17 PM > To: p2prg@ietf.org > Cc: byeager@fastmail.fm > Subject: [P2Prg] RG participation. > > > Hello... > > Our research group has been dormant for some time now, and the IRTF > chair (cc'ed) has enquired if it makes sense to continue the P2P-RG. > It is clear that all who are members here are working on their own P2P > research; however, the RG has not (yet) been quite the forum for > exchanging ideas that we had initially hoped. This is not to take > away from the work that the RG has already produced, however, lately, > there does not seem to be much activity, and this is of concern. > > Bottom line: Should we still keep this RG open? If you have a > strong opinion one way or another, please drop us a line. > > Note that silence implies that we recommend to the IRTF that the RG be > shut down, so if you are in favor of continuing this group, please > include some ideas on how to generate more research activity. > > Thanks. > > Bill and Bobby > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 26 15:59:38 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJ5S-0000ms-Be; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:59:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJ5R-0000m9-1F for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:59:25 -0400 Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJ5O-0000AI-Pg for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:59:25 -0400 Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1806DA93E3; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.internal ([10.202.2.161]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:59:25 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: 9jegc9yIsanh2KurzH7+QcmjMQjGFnpWpSWj6OfUF0CF 1159300764 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (adsl-75-35-220-113.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net [75.35.220.113]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5680F2081; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:59:24 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200609261717.k8QHHq2o025674@ringding.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Message-Id: From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] RG participation. Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:59:20 -0700 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Cc: bobby@cs.umd.edu, p2prg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0379558645==" Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org --===============0379558645== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-604934414 --Apple-Mail-11-604934414 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed This group grew out the the desire of the IETF to standardize P2P. In order to do so it is felt we must first understand what should be standardized. One of our charter goals is to recommend to the IETF what should be standardized given our discussions and research. Bill On Sep 26, 2006, at 11:36 AM, wrote: > That doesn't mean there isn't research to be done, but it's not > clear what in mainstream P2P development would require something > like 'standardization' which is historically the strength of IETF > activity. --Apple-Mail-11-604934414 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII This group grew out the the desire of the IETF to standardize P2P. In order to do so it is felt we must first understand what should be standardized. One of our charter goals is to recommend to the IETF what should be standardized given our discussions and research.

Bill

On Sep 26, 2006, at 11:36 AM, <cefn.hoile@bt.com> wrote:

That doesn't mean there isn't research to be done, but it's not clear what in mainstream P2P development would require something like 'standardization' which is historically the strength of IETF activity.


--Apple-Mail-11-604934414-- --===============0379558645== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg --===============0379558645==-- From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 26 16:38:27 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJgh-0002bV-5R; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:37:55 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJgg-0002bQ-7R for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:37:54 -0400 Received: from exprod6og50.obsmtp.com ([64.18.1.181]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJgd-0000Wp-Qi for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:37:54 -0400 Received: from source ([192.150.11.134]) by exprod6ob50.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:36:37 PDT Received: from inner-relay-3.eur.adobe.com (inner-relay-3.adobe.com [192.150.20.198] (may be forged)) by outbound-smtp-1.corp.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k8QKYHnN013662; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe2.corp.adobe.com (fe2.corp.adobe.com [10.8.192.72]) by inner-relay-3.eur.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k8QKaT7U011885; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from namail5.corp.adobe.com ([10.8.192.88]) by fe2.corp.adobe.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:36:29 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [P2Prg] RG participation. Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:36:28 -0700 Message-ID: <24CCCC428EFEA2469BF046DB3C7A8D2219A093@namail5.corp.adobe.com> In-Reply-To: <200609261717.k8QHHq2o025674@ringding.cs.umd.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [P2Prg] RG participation. Thread-Index: AcbhkGJmymcjrk3hQrukma4z/lZtXQAGE3XQ From: "Henry Sinnreich" To: "Samrat Bhattacharjee" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2006 20:36:29.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[71DAA6D0:01C6E1AB] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: byeager@fastmail.fm X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org > IRTF chair (cc'ed) has enquired if it makes sense to continue the P2P-RG This seems strange, since P2P traffic dominates the Internet.=20 It appears the IETF has not only lost control over "its network", but now the IRTF is not even interested to help with standards recommendations for what constitutes most of the Internet traffic. In the area in which I am interested (SIP), P2P Skype is also the dominant VoIP provider by orders of magnitude. The IRTF must definitely provide actionable input to the IETF on P2P standards IMHO. Thanks, Henry -----Original Message----- From: Samrat Bhattacharjee [mailto:bobby@cs.umd.edu]=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:18 AM To: p2prg@ietf.org Cc: byeager@fastmail.fm Subject: [P2Prg] RG participation. Hello... Our research group has been dormant for some time now, and the IRTF chair (cc'ed) has enquired if it makes sense to continue the P2P-RG. =20 It is clear that all who are members here are working on their own P2P research; however, the RG has not (yet) been quite the forum for exchanging ideas that we had initially hoped. This is not to take away from the work that the RG has already produced, however, lately, there does not seem to be much activity, and this is of concern. Bottom line: Should we still keep this RG open? If you have a strong opinion one way or another, please drop us a line. Note that silence implies that we recommend to the IRTF that the RG be shut down, so if you are in favor of continuing this group, please include some ideas on how to generate more research activity. Thanks. Bill and Bobby _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 26 16:41:44 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJk3-000582-Rp; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:41:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJk3-00057x-AA for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:41:23 -0400 Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJk2-0000t3-2j for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:41:23 -0400 Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AE7DA950D; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.internal ([10.202.2.161]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:41:24 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: uqJjaxK9OparjNfItQYPw/za/99Jhc3cF6L2iGin3Pwl 1159303284 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (adsl-75-35-220-113.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net [75.35.220.113]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BD2B975; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:41:23 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <24CCCC428EFEA2469BF046DB3C7A8D2219A093@namail5.corp.adobe.com> References: <24CCCC428EFEA2469BF046DB3C7A8D2219A093@namail5.corp.adobe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Message-Id: <9F47BC37-885B-41A9-91C3-F9DB5EB35534@fastmail.fm> From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] RG participation. Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:41:19 -0700 To: "Henry Sinnreich" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Cc: Samrat Bhattacharjee , p2prg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1357405427==" Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org --===============1357405427== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-607452796 --Apple-Mail-12-607452796 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Henry, On Sep 26, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Henry Sinnreich wrote: > now the IRTF is not even interested to help with standards > recommendations for what constitutes most of the Internet traffic. Not quite what we meant. We'd really like to contribute to those standards but there is no activity in our group and hasn't been a great deal for several months. Our major point is to stimulate some discussion and research towards those standards you mention. If that happens as a result of this query, then this is of course the best possible outcome. Thanks for your note, Bill --Apple-Mail-12-607452796 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Henry,

On = Sep 26, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Henry Sinnreich wrote:

now the IRTF is not even interested to = help with standards

recommendations for what constitutes most of the Internet = traffic.


Not quite what we = meant. We'd really like to contribute to those standards but there is no = activity in our group and hasn't been a great deal for several = months.=A0

Our = major point is to stimulate some discussion and research towards those = standards you mention. If that happens as a result of this query, then = this is of course the best possible outcome.

Thanks for your = note,

Bill

= --Apple-Mail-12-607452796-- --===============1357405427== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg --===============1357405427==-- From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 26 16:55:27 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJwZ-0004q0-K2; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:54:19 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJwW-0004oY-3g for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:54:16 -0400 Received: from mclmx2.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.32]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJwT-000343-Lx for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:54:16 -0400 Received: from 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx2.mail.saic.com; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:53:53 -0400 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2006092616535327621 ; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:53:53 -0400 Received: from 0591-ITS-EXMP02.us.saic.com ([10.42.81.248]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:53:52 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [P2Prg] RG participation. Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:53:50 -0400 Message-Id: <62D92A9A02BCC845B202323D49A48426230EB1@0591-ITS-EXMP02.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <9F47BC37-885B-41A9-91C3-F9DB5EB35534@fastmail.fm> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [P2Prg] RG participation. Thread-Index: AcbhrC78yvKSu7pLSeOJGAtEOOOFywAAB89Q From: "Roy, Radhika R." To: "Bill Yeager" , "Henry Sinnreich" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2006 20:53:52.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFF6C0C0:01C6E1AD] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 563af5038a5e1dade28c8affc0fff375 Cc: Samrat Bhattacharjee , p2prg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1647251530==" Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1647251530== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6E1AD.DE6F146E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E1AD.DE6F146E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill: =20 Like Henry, I also like to see that you recommend some actions for standardization in P2P. At best, one can try to list the things that they think to be standardized in the IETF as many researchers have done many analysis so far what the people like us who are more towards from the implementation side cannot do so easily. =20 For example, p2p-SIP WG is about to be formed. Most of the folks got the ideas of p2p from this group while Skype and others provided impetus for commercial implementations. That has been the case behind forming the p2p-SIP WG. =20 However, the topics of P2P standardization may go far beyond p2p-SIP. =20 As researchers, P2Prg WG may not have enough incentive for standardization, although I think there are, but it would be helpful to provide some guidance, at least keeping p2p-SIP like things in view what has been happening in the IETF, for standardization from pure P2P point of view.=20 =20 It will surely stimulate some technical discussions even for matured research towards practical, if not commercial, implementations instead of being lost in silence. =20 Best regards, Radhika =20 ________________________________ From: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:p2prg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bill Yeager Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:41 PM To: Henry Sinnreich Cc: Samrat Bhattacharjee; p2prg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [P2Prg] RG participation. =20 Hi Henry, =20 On Sep 26, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Henry Sinnreich wrote: now the IRTF is not even interested to help with standards recommendations for what constitutes most of the Internet traffic. =20 Not quite what we meant. We'd really like to contribute to those standards but there is no activity in our group and hasn't been a great deal for several months.=20 =20 Our major point is to stimulate some discussion and research towards those standards you mention. If that happens as a result of this query, then this is of course the best possible outcome. =20 Thanks for your note, =20 Bill =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E1AD.DE6F146E Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bill:

 

Like Henry, I also like to see that = you recommend some actions for standardization in P2P. At best, one can try = to list the things that they think to be standardized in the IETF as many = researchers have done many analysis so far what the people like us who are more = towards from the implementation side cannot do so = easily.

 

For example, p2p-SIP WG is about to = be formed. Most of the folks got the ideas of p2p from this group while = Skype and others provided impetus for commercial implementations. That has been = the case behind forming the p2p-SIP WG.

 

However, the topics of P2P = standardization may go far beyond p2p-SIP.

 

As researchers, P2Prg WG may not = have enough incentive for standardization, although I think there are, but it = would be helpful to provide some guidance, at least keeping p2p-SIP like = things in view what has been happening in the IETF, for standardization from pure = P2P point of view.

 

It will surely stimulate some = technical discussions even for matured research towards practical, if not = commercial, implementations instead of being lost in = silence.

 

Best = regards,

Radhika

=

 

From: = p2prg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:p2prg-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Bill Yeager
Sent: Tuesday, September = 26, 2006 4:41 PM
To: Henry Sinnreich
Cc: Samrat Bhattacharjee; p2prg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [P2Prg] RG participation.

 

Hi Henry,

 

On Sep 26, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Henry Sinnreich = wrote:



now the IRTF is not even = interested to help with standards

recommendations for what = constitutes most of the Internet traffic.

 

Not quite what we meant. We'd really like to contribute to those standards but there is no activity in our group and hasn't been a great = deal for several months. 

 

Our major point is to stimulate some discussion and research = towards those standards you mention. If that happens as a result of this query, = then this is of course the best possible = outcome.

 

Thanks for your note,

 

Bill

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E1AD.DE6F146E-- --===============1647251530== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg --===============1647251530==-- From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 26 19:19:32 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMC2-0008Gt-Km; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:18:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMC1-000895-Ap for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:18:25 -0400 Received: from boreas.isi.edu ([128.9.160.161]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMBw-0008Uk-PZ for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:18:24 -0400 Received: from [128.9.168.162] (neo.isi.edu [128.9.168.162]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k8QNHvrK023310 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <62D92A9A02BCC845B202323D49A48426230EB1@0591-ITS-EXMP02.us.saic.com> References: <62D92A9A02BCC845B202323D49A48426230EB1@0591-ITS-EXMP02.us.saic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Aaron Falk Subject: Re: [P2Prg] RG participation. Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:17:42 -0700 To: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: falk@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org I'd like to make it clear that IRTF Research Groups, like the Peer-to- Peer Research Group, do not "do" standardization. It is the IETF that standardizes protocols. The IETF is a separate, adjacent body to the IRTF. Nevertheless, IRTF RGs may play an important role in this process by building a common understanding of the problem and solution space and collaborating on that which is is not yet mature enough for standardization. For example, the P2Prg charter [1] suggests the RG will develop work on developing a common conceptual model of the problem and solution space for P2P protocols and applications. Further, it states the group could work on "exploring interfaces to IETF protocols to realize the models; and offering input to the IETF as a starting place for possible groups standardizing new protocols that are useful in building P2P applications." For any of this to happen in this RG, however, the group needs to develop and pursue an agenda. (This may require modifying the charter, a clear possibility if there is energy behind a proposal.) It requires some commitment by individuals to participate. This isn't happening in the P2Prg now, but it could. Bobby sent a note inviting folks to step up to define and pursue work in this collaborative environment. If no one steps forward now, no work will happen and the group should be closed. --Aaron Falk IRTF Chair [1] http://www.irtf.org/p2prg _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 26 19:56:07 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMmE-0000d8-9M; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:55:50 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMmD-0000d3-C4 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:55:49 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMmC-0007iU-5N for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:55:49 -0400 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Sep 2006 19:55:46 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,221,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="104650931:sNHT46813696" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8QNtj8T005460; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:55:45 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k8QNtig2006502; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:55:44 +0200 (MEST) Received: from lwood-wxp01.cisco.com (ams3-vpn-dhcp4150.cisco.com [10.61.80.53]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA02425; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:55:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200609262355.AAA02425@cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.6 (Beta) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:54:53 +0100 To: Aaron Falk From: Lloyd Wood Subject: Re: [P2Prg] RG participation. In-Reply-To: References: <62D92A9A02BCC845B202323D49A48426230EB1@0591-ITS-EXMP02.us.saic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com; header.From=L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk; dkim=neutral X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Cc: p2prg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org At Tuesday 26/09/2006 16:17 -0700, Aaron Falk wrote: >I'd like to make it clear that IRTF Research Groups, like the >Peer-to- Peer Research Group, do not "do" standardization. It is the IETF >that standardizes protocols. The IESG, surely. The IETF doesn't have final say. L. _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 27 03:18:14 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSTfB-0005sV-2M; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:17:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSTf9-0005rf-83 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:16:59 -0400 Received: from mtaout3.barak.net.il ([212.150.49.173]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSTf4-0006wE-Vr for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:16:59 -0400 Received: from quark.PEERAPP.com ([212.150.66.68]) by mtaout3.barak.net.il (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.02 (built Apr 25 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0J68007E6PJS2CS0@mtaout3.barak.net.il> for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:16:40 +0300 (IDT) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:17:41 +0300 From: Haim Rochberger To: p2prg@ietf.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-topic: RG participation Thread-index: AcbhrkYLkJWeFs8eR+2Bc8g2cJoS/wAXXg2w X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a2c4a3535d1556ada67f8703d3d31591 Subject: [P2Prg] RE: RG participation X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Since p2p for "open" content is already something well established within the Internet subscribers, therefore maybe the direction that the IETF should go for is to standard the future legal content distribution using p2p. I am talking about WGs like p2p-SIP and p2p-TV that can concentrate on a standard why to exchange dynamic content that has QoS requirements, DRM, availability, etc.=20 Being legal - this will attract vendors to build unique devices that will incorporate these protocols and standards. yours, =20 Haim Rochberger System Architect=20 PeerApp LTD. ( www.peerapp.com ) Work Mobile: 054-2189142 Private Mobile: 054-4970504 -----Original Message----- From: p2prg-request@ietf.org [mailto:p2prg-request@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:54 PM To: p2prg@ietf.org Subject: P2prg Digest, Vol 27, Issue 9 Send P2prg mailing list submissions to p2prg@ietf.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to p2prg-request@ietf.org You can reach the person managing the list at p2prg-owner@ietf.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of P2prg digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RG participation. (Samrat Bhattacharjee) 2. RE: RG participation. (cefn.hoile@bt.com) 3. RE: RG participation. (maaz@maazios.com) 4. Re: RG participation. (Bill Yeager) 5. RE: RG participation. (Henry Sinnreich) 6. Re: RG participation. (Bill Yeager) 7. RE: RG participation. (Roy, Radhika R.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:17:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Samrat Bhattacharjee Subject: [P2Prg] RG participation. To: p2prg@ietf.org Cc: byeager@fastmail.fm Message-ID: <200609261717.k8QHHq2o025674@ringding.cs.umd.edu> Hello... Our research group has been dormant for some time now, and the IRTF chair (cc'ed) has enquired if it makes sense to continue the P2P-RG. =20 It is clear that all who are members here are working on their own P2P research; however, the RG has not (yet) been quite the forum for exchanging ideas that we had initially hoped. This is not to take away from the work that the RG has already produced, however, lately, there does not seem to be much activity, and this is of concern. Bottom line: Should we still keep this RG open? If you have a strong opinion one way or another, please drop us a line. Note that silence implies that we recommend to the IRTF that the RG be shut down, so if you are in favor of continuing this group, please include some ideas on how to generate more research activity. Thanks. Bill and Bobby ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:36:29 +0100 From: Subject: RE: [P2Prg] RG participation. To: , Cc: byeager@fastmail.fm Message-ID: =09 =09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" In the spirit of wild speculation, and at risk of starting a debate, I wonder if the nature of the P2P domain e.g.=20 edge deployment your app talking to your app built on workarounds and what can be prototyped rapidly bypassing agreement from carriers or industrial bodies ... underlies the silence of this particular research group.=20 That doesn't mean there isn't research to be done, but it's not clear what in mainstream P2P development would require something like 'standardization' which is historically the strength of IETF activity. Cefn http://cefn.com http://labs.bt.com -----Original Message----- From: Samrat Bhattacharjee [mailto:bobby@cs.umd.edu] Sent: Tue 9/26/2006 6:17 PM To: p2prg@ietf.org Cc: byeager@fastmail.fm Subject: [P2Prg] RG participation. =20 Hello... Our research group has been dormant for some time now, and the IRTF chair (cc'ed) has enquired if it makes sense to continue the P2P-RG. =20 It is clear that all who are members here are working on their own P2P research; however, the RG has not (yet) been quite the forum for exchanging ideas that we had initially hoped. This is not to take away from the work that the RG has already produced, however, lately, there does not seem to be much activity, and this is of concern. Bottom line: Should we still keep this RG open? If you have a strong opinion one way or another, please drop us a line. Note that silence implies that we recommend to the IRTF that the RG be shut down, so if you are in favor of continuing this group, please include some ideas on how to generate more research activity. Thanks. Bill and Bobby _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:53:25 -0700 From: maaz@maazios.com Subject: RE: [P2Prg] RG participation. To: cefn.hoile@bt.com Cc: bobby@cs.umd.edu, p2prg@ietf.org, byeager@fastmail.fm Message-ID: =09 <20060926125325.efbc1ad39fa977fb8d7080a5514d182d.279618c31f.wbe@email.se cureserver.net> =09 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=3DUS-ASCII If I may add my 2 cents (after witnessing new testers/users' behaviors as well as realizing the deficiencies in my Maazios software), 1. I wish the connectivity hurdle to implement by p2p developers and the configurations/adjustments needed to be done by p2p end users would be easier. 2. Nice to have - IETF standardized handshake process and communication protocol structures for p2p software (instead of each developer creating their own flavor). The app talking to app is not a problem if there's a standard outer shell/container to put app data in. 3. The rapid prototyping is not a real hurdle; the trick is to get testers/users to leave the p2p software running long enough to see the problems and issues that crop up; in contrast, many websites/servers are "active" for very long periods of time. 4. ISPs/Carriers who block or degrade p2p traffic - if they do this, they might as well do this to all internet traffic (ex. even from large websites); strangely, I do wonder why they do not move away from the all you can eat buffet pricing model (where a small percentage of the users probably use up >80% of the network capacity) to the model used by web hosters (ex. godaddy $29 per 0.5TB of data bandwidth) who treat bandwidth like water - exceed a certain amount, you pay more. 5. Bad consumer class routers and firewall software - I've experienced routers that pretend to do portforwarding and firewalls still blocking when told not to - not entirely sure whether these are done intentionally or just poor quality in implementation. The research papers presented at those p2p conferences are quite interesting and insightful - but until a nice p2p foundation layer is put together and deployed to end users, it will continue to be difficult for p2p research and app development. Tai Yu www.maazios.com > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [P2Prg] RG participation. > From: cefn.hoile@bt.com > Date: Tue, September 26, 2006 11:36 am > To: , > Cc: byeager@fastmail.fm >=20 > In the spirit of wild speculation, and at risk of starting a debate, I wonder if the nature of the P2P domain e.g.=20 >=20 > edge deployment > your app talking to your app > built on workarounds and what can be prototyped rapidly > bypassing agreement from carriers or industrial bodies >=20 > ... underlies the silence of this particular research group.=20 >=20 > That doesn't mean there isn't research to be done, but it's not clear what in mainstream P2P development would require something like 'standardization' which is historically the strength of IETF activity. >=20 > Cefn > http://cefn.com > http://labs.bt.com >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Samrat Bhattacharjee [mailto:bobby@cs.umd.edu] > Sent: Tue 9/26/2006 6:17 PM > To: p2prg@ietf.org > Cc: byeager@fastmail.fm > Subject: [P2Prg] RG participation. > =20 >=20 > Hello... >=20 > Our research group has been dormant for some time now, and the IRTF > chair (cc'ed) has enquired if it makes sense to continue the P2P-RG. =20 > It is clear that all who are members here are working on their own P2P > research; however, the RG has not (yet) been quite the forum for > exchanging ideas that we had initially hoped. This is not to take > away from the work that the RG has already produced, however, lately, > there does not seem to be much activity, and this is of concern. >=20 > Bottom line: Should we still keep this RG open? If you have a > strong opinion one way or another, please drop us a line. >=20 > Note that silence implies that we recommend to the IRTF that the RG be > shut down, so if you are in favor of continuing this group, please > include some ideas on how to generate more research activity. >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > Bill and Bobby >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:59:20 -0700 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] RG participation. To: Cc: bobby@cs.umd.edu, p2prg@ietf.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" This group grew out the the desire of the IETF to standardize P2P. In =20 order to do so it is felt we must first understand what should be =20 standardized. One of our charter goals is to recommend to the IETF =20 what should be standardized given our discussions and research. Bill On Sep 26, 2006, at 11:36 AM, wrote: > That doesn't mean there isn't research to be done, but it's not =20 > clear what in mainstream P2P development would require something =20 > like 'standardization' which is historically the strength of IETF =20 > activity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/p2prg/attachments/20060926/1d47a26d/attac hment.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:36:28 -0700 From: "Henry Sinnreich" Subject: RE: [P2Prg] RG participation. To: "Samrat Bhattacharjee" , Cc: byeager@fastmail.fm Message-ID: <24CCCC428EFEA2469BF046DB3C7A8D2219A093@namail5.corp.adobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" > IRTF chair (cc'ed) has enquired if it makes sense to continue the P2P-RG This seems strange, since P2P traffic dominates the Internet.=20 It appears the IETF has not only lost control over "its network", but now the IRTF is not even interested to help with standards recommendations for what constitutes most of the Internet traffic. In the area in which I am interested (SIP), P2P Skype is also the dominant VoIP provider by orders of magnitude. The IRTF must definitely provide actionable input to the IETF on P2P standards IMHO. Thanks, Henry -----Original Message----- From: Samrat Bhattacharjee [mailto:bobby@cs.umd.edu]=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:18 AM To: p2prg@ietf.org Cc: byeager@fastmail.fm Subject: [P2Prg] RG participation. Hello... Our research group has been dormant for some time now, and the IRTF chair (cc'ed) has enquired if it makes sense to continue the P2P-RG. =20 It is clear that all who are members here are working on their own P2P research; however, the RG has not (yet) been quite the forum for exchanging ideas that we had initially hoped. This is not to take away from the work that the RG has already produced, however, lately, there does not seem to be much activity, and this is of concern. Bottom line: Should we still keep this RG open? If you have a strong opinion one way or another, please drop us a line. Note that silence implies that we recommend to the IRTF that the RG be shut down, so if you are in favor of continuing this group, please include some ideas on how to generate more research activity. Thanks. Bill and Bobby _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:41:19 -0700 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] RG participation. To: "Henry Sinnreich" Cc: Samrat Bhattacharjee , p2prg@ietf.org Message-ID: <9F47BC37-885B-41A9-91C3-F9DB5EB35534@fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Hi Henry, On Sep 26, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Henry Sinnreich wrote: > now the IRTF is not even interested to help with standards > recommendations for what constitutes most of the Internet traffic. Not quite what we meant. We'd really like to contribute to those =20 standards but there is no activity in our group and hasn't been a =20 great deal for several months. Our major point is to stimulate some discussion and research towards =20 those standards you mention. If that happens as a result of this =20 query, then this is of course the best possible outcome. Thanks for your note, Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/p2prg/attachments/20060926/e89e6bfe/attac hment.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:53:50 -0400 From: "Roy, Radhika R." Subject: RE: [P2Prg] RG participation. To: "Bill Yeager" , "Henry Sinnreich" Cc: Samrat Bhattacharjee , p2prg@ietf.org Message-ID: =09 <62D92A9A02BCC845B202323D49A48426230EB1@0591-ITS-EXMP02.us.saic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Bill: =20 Like Henry, I also like to see that you recommend some actions for standardization in P2P. At best, one can try to list the things that they think to be standardized in the IETF as many researchers have done many analysis so far what the people like us who are more towards from the implementation side cannot do so easily. =20 For example, p2p-SIP WG is about to be formed. Most of the folks got the ideas of p2p from this group while Skype and others provided impetus for commercial implementations. That has been the case behind forming the p2p-SIP WG. =20 However, the topics of P2P standardization may go far beyond p2p-SIP. =20 As researchers, P2Prg WG may not have enough incentive for standardization, although I think there are, but it would be helpful to provide some guidance, at least keeping p2p-SIP like things in view what has been happening in the IETF, for standardization from pure P2P point of view.=20 =20 It will surely stimulate some technical discussions even for matured research towards practical, if not commercial, implementations instead of being lost in silence. =20 Best regards, Radhika =20 ________________________________ From: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:p2prg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bill Yeager Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:41 PM To: Henry Sinnreich Cc: Samrat Bhattacharjee; p2prg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [P2Prg] RG participation. =20 Hi Henry, =20 On Sep 26, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Henry Sinnreich wrote: now the IRTF is not even interested to help with standards recommendations for what constitutes most of the Internet traffic. =20 Not quite what we meant. We'd really like to contribute to those standards but there is no activity in our group and hasn't been a great deal for several months.=20 =20 Our major point is to stimulate some discussion and research towards those standards you mention. If that happens as a result of this query, then this is of course the best possible outcome. =20 Thanks for your note, =20 Bill =20 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSW9O-0006Ln-F0 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:56:28 -0400 Received: from i2kc07-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.14]) by smtp1.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:56:21 +0100 Received: from E03MVZ1-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.30.61]) by i2kc07-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:56:20 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [P2Prg] DRM, QoS, Content Distribution is primary? Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:55:53 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [P2Prg] DRM, QoS, Content Distribution is primary? Thread-Index: AcbhrkYLkJWeFs8eR+2Bc8g2cJoS/wAXXg2wAAI7nyA= From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2006 09:56:20.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EF32980:01C6E21B] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Haim,=20 Although I think you're right that in the minds of many influential commercial decision makers, P2P is primarily about (il)legal content distribution, I think it would be a shame to divert technical attention from the underlying requirements of P2P more generally. As I understand P2P, it is a kind of application deployment which incorporates users' resources into the dynamic processes of the application infrastructure. Where conventional approaches make certain assumptions about the resources making up the infrastructure (e.g. assumptions about direct addressability, uptime, hierarchy) the P2P application designer cannot. This has created the need for networked algorithms (procedures with multiple points of execution) which overcome the limitations which conventional approaches would face.=20 The nature of the task carried out by this infrastructure can be quite diverse - incorporating search, parallel task processing (computation or distribution), collaborative tools. Many client resources, human presence, desktop data, can often be incorporated into the task in ways which make them indivisible from the application itself(e.g. Cloudmark psam filtering, IM/Avcomms).=20 Overall, a small subset of P2P applications relate to distributing licensed content under QoS constraints (whether freely licensed or not). Additionally, I find it hard to establish any aspect of P2P management in terms of DRM, availability, QoS, which wouldn't be directly transferable to a non-P2P deployment, and very few which would typically be 'network visible'. Again I don't think this means there's no work to be done, it's just the question of whether it's P2P IETF RG work. There's no arguing with the point that the volume of traffic is overwhelmingly content distribution. To me this says more about the network load characteristics of content distribution applications per se. It also indicates the first tranche of P2P apps which have seen mass comprehension by the public. However, when we think of the 'packet voltage' (value per byte) we may be looking at a very dilute resource compared to other apps like instant messaging, where a few bytes count for a great deal to those engaged in the transaction. This suggest to me that volume shouldn't be the defining factor for the importance of a given application class. I suppose the question is should we consider the diversity of the underlying field, and hence its more general requirements first, or should we go for the hot buttons of industry first? These are probably both valid answers depending what you're trying to achieve. Also here's a list of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_currencies which may become useful in the future if this debate continues and we use up all the real ones :) Cefn http://cefn.com Since p2p for "open" content is already something well established within the Internet subscribers, therefore maybe the direction that the IETF should go for is to standard the future legal content distribution using p2p. I am talking about WGs like p2p-SIP and p2p-TV that can concentrate on a standard why to exchange dynamic content that has QoS requirements, DRM, availability, etc.=20 Being legal - this will attract vendors to build unique devices that will incorporate these protocols and standards. _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 27 06:16:19 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSWSG-0001KW-GO; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:15:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSWSD-0001KP-Cp for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:15:49 -0400 Received: from ns.cnit.it ([217.9.64.3] helo=relay.cnit.it) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSWS9-0000RL-KZ for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:15:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by relay.cnit.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E88190029; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:15:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay.cnit.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (brunello [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13172-04-4; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:15:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.251.11.189] (unknown [130.251.11.189]) by relay.cnit.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83986190021; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:15:21 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <200609261717.k8QHHq2o025674@ringding.cs.umd.edu> References: <200609261717.k8QHHq2o025674@ringding.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Message-Id: From: Luca Caviglione Subject: Re: [P2Prg] RG participation. Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:19:49 +0200 To: Samrat Bhattacharjee X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at cnit.it X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b66a1e94d7d92973ece9e5da449ff80 Cc: p2prg@ietf.org, Bill Yeager X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1106071471==" Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org --===============1106071471== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-656563543 --Apple-Mail-3-656563543 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed (my 2 euro-cents...) Hi Samrat and I all, as said, the group grew out to the desire of the IETF to standardize =20 p2p. But let me share with you this consideration about P2P-SIP. People of P2P-SIP started to develop roughly a =93Face Dancer=94 of = Skype =20 and employing a DHT-based architecture (like Chord, Kad). However, =20 P2P-SIP guys are very wise: they selected two excellent pieces for =20 their puzzle. Then the problem with p2p (and probably of p2prg) is that everyone =20 already has an enormous technology pool for developing p2p stuff: =20 content delivery (BitTorrent), look-up (Kad), =85. Consequently, I =20 agree with Henry, but I would like to offer another perspective. IETF =20= wants to regain control of =93its network=94, but instead of using the =20= =93usual path=94 (e.g., IRTF to feed IEFT), it inspects directly the = apps =20 populating =93its network=94. Based upon the previous consideration, the =93silence=94 of p2prg could =20= be explainable. It appears to me that P2PRG stopped due to the lack =20 of traction from the IETF, even if p2prg is supposed to have its own =20 engine. I would like to have a p2prg more =93stand-alone=94. Let=92s p2prg going = =20 ahead (maybe after adjusting the charter) and as side effect produces =20= standardization inputs for IETF. P2P needs more research and =20 understanding (IMHO), and so p2prg should survive. Best Regards, Luca Il giorno 26/set/06, alle ore 19:17, Samrat Bhattacharjee ha scritto: > > Hello... > > Our research group has been dormant for some time now, and the IRTF > chair (cc'ed) has enquired if it makes sense to continue the P2P-RG. > It is clear that all who are members here are working on their own P2P > research; however, the RG has not (yet) been quite the forum for > exchanging ideas that we had initially hoped. This is not to take > away from the work that the RG has already produced, however, lately, > there does not seem to be much activity, and this is of concern. > > Bottom line: Should we still keep this RG open? If you have a > strong opinion one way or another, please drop us a line. > > Note that silence implies that we recommend to the IRTF that the RG be > shut down, so if you are in favor of continuing this group, please > include some ideas on how to generate more research activity. > > Thanks. > > Bill and Bobby > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg ----------------------------------------- Ing. Luca Caviglione, PhD CNIT - Genoa Research Unit Via Opera Pia 13 16145, Genova Tel. +39 010 3532202 ----------------------------------------- --Apple-Mail-3-656563543 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 (my 2 euro-cents...)

Hi Samrat and I = all,

as said, the group grew out to the = desire of the IETF to standardize p2p.
=A0
But let me share with you this = consideration about P2P-SIP.
=A0
People of P2P-SIP started to develop = roughly a =93Face Dancer=94 of Skype and employing a DHT-based = architecture (like Chord, Kad).=A0 However,=A0 P2P-SIP guys are very = wise: they selected two excellent pieces for their puzzle. =
=A0
Then the problem with p2p (and = probably of p2prg) is that everyone already has an enormous technology = pool for developing p2p stuff: content delivery (BitTorrent), look-up = (Kad), =85. Consequently, I agree with Henry, but I would like to offer = another perspective. IETF wants to regain control of =93its network=94, = but instead of using the =93usual path=94 (e.g., IRTF to feed IEFT), it = inspects directly the apps populating =93its = network=94.
=A0
Based upon the previous consideration, = the =93silence=94 of p2prg could be explainable. It appears to me that = P2PRG stopped due to the lack of traction from the IETF, even if p2prg = is supposed to have its own engine.=A0

I would like to have a p2prg more = =93stand-alone=94. Let=92s p2prg going ahead (maybe after adjusting the = charter) and as side effect produces standardization inputs for IETF. = P2P needs more research and understanding (IMHO), and so p2prg should = survive.=A0=A0

Best = Regards,=A0
Luca



Il giorno = 26/set/06, alle ore 19:17, Samrat Bhattacharjee ha scritto:



Our research group has been dormant for some time = now, and the IRTF
chair (cc'ed) has enquired if it = makes sense to continue the P2P-RG. =A0
It is = clear that all who are members here are working on their own = P2P
research; however, the RG has = not (yet) been quite the forum for
exchanging = ideas that we had initially hoped.=A0= This is not to take
away from the = work that the RG has already produced, however, lately,
there does not seem to be much activity, and this is = of concern.

=A0 = Bottom line: Should we still keep this RG open?=A0 If you have a
=A0 = strong opinion one way or another, please drop us a = line.

Note that silence implies that we recommend to the = IRTF that the RG be
shut down, so if you are in = favor of continuing this group, please
include = some ideas on how to generate more research activity.


Bill and Bobby


P2prg mailing list

=

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( [71.162.121.36]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i20sm961607wxd.2006.09.27.06.22.01; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <451A7AD5.6080902@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:21:25 -0400 From: Chaz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060731) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] RG participation. References: <24CCCC428EFEA2469BF046DB3C7A8D2219A093@namail5.corp.adobe.com> <9F47BC37-885B-41A9-91C3-F9DB5EB35534@fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: <9F47BC37-885B-41A9-91C3-F9DB5EB35534@fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Cc: p2prg@ietf.org, Samrat Bhattacharjee X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org I think there are multiple problems in the P2P space only one of which is to have a unified p2p system. Right now we have XMPP and SIMPLE both vying for world dominance, and I believe we need one. I am certain if we put our heads together we can come up with one standard (or at least make the two inter -operate). My own work is in the area of massively scalable p2p networks and extending them to function outside of just simple message exchanges. As such I solve many problems that I am certain others have as well, such as overlay networks. Since many of the things I am working on involve RPC (or RPC-like) semantics, I find myself wondering about how to extend RPC to work in the multicast environment. I am certain there are quite a few problems that need to be solved in the p2p space. I think we just need to start talking about them. Peace, Chaz _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 27 11:37:04 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSbSK-0004ig-Ee; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:36:16 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSbSJ-0004g8-Ew for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:36:15 -0400 Received: from mtaout2.barak.net.il ([212.150.49.172]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSbSH-0002IZ-Ko for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:36:15 -0400 Received: from quark.PEERAPP.com ([212.150.66.68]) by mtaout2.barak.net.il (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.02 (built Apr 25 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0J6900LNLCNNJ810@mtaout2.barak.net.il> for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:35:47 +0300 (IDT) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:36:48 +0300 From: Haim Rochberger Subject: [P2Prg] DRM, QoS, Content Distribution is primary? To: p2prg@ietf.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-topic: [P2Prg] DRM, QoS, Content Distribution is primary? Thread-index: AcbiUyWXY2KcSfxGQ6Cgvg0AkwKhDA== X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3f2cf88677bfbdeff30feb2c80e2257d X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0575234476==" Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0575234476== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6E24A.BEB661DE" Content-class: urn:content-classes:message This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E24A.BEB661DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Cefn, =20 Here is my point: =20 Talk a bit about the basics: Building any standard is based on the assumption that multiple points (devices, SW applications etc), "manufactured" by multiple "vendors" (can be a guy in his basement or a big corporation), and all these entities - if comply with the standard, will work together (hopefully if you built a concrete standard and implementation). =20 Therefore, when I thought about P2P and standard in the context of the (il)legal file sharing, I thought that these two don't mix (allow everyone to understand his control... etc). =20 So that is why I think that for the target of having a P2P standard (any) that will eventually be created by the IETF, the IRTF should concentrate in a research about targets that will need standards. =20 That does not say to start everything from scratch, but leverage the things known from the legacy P2P technology and refine it to the requirements of applications that do wish for standards (wrote this word too many times.. sorry). =20 So to your point: "...Although I think you're right that in the minds of many influential commercial decision makers, P2P is primarily about (il)legal content distribution, I think it would be a shame to divert technical attention from the underlying requirements of P2P more generally." =20 My reply is that to my humble understanding.. this "more general p2p" are not waiting for standards and not plan to use them. =20 On the other hand legal p2p had high expectations and strong requirements, and DO wish to have a standard. =20 =20 =20 =20 yours, =20 Haim=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E24A.BEB661DE Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Cefn,

 

Here is my point:

 

Talk a bit about the basics:

Building any standard is based on the assumption that multiple points (devices, = SW applications etc), "manufactured" by multiple = "vendors" (can be a guy in his basement or a big corporation), and all these = entities – if comply with the standard, will work together (hopefully if you built = a concrete standard and implementation).

 

Therefore, when I thought about P2P and = standard in the context of the (il)legal file sharing, I thought that these two = don't mix (allow everyone to understand his control… = etc).

 

So that is why I think that for the target = of having a P2P standard (any) that will eventually be created by the IETF, = the IRTF should concentrate in a research about targets that will need = standards.

 

That does not say to start everything from scratch, but leverage the things known from the legacy P2P technology = and refine it to the requirements of applications that do wish for standards = (wrote this word too many times.. sorry).

 

So to your = point:

   "…Although I think =
you're right that in the minds of many influential commercial decision =
makers, P2P is primarily    about (il)legal content =
distribution, I think it would be a shame to divert technical attention =
from the underlying requirements of P2P more =
generally."
 
My reply is that to my humble understanding.. =
this "more general p2p" are not waiting for standards and not =
plan to use them.
 
On the other hand legal p2p had high =
expectations and strong requirements, and DO wish to have a standard. =
 

 

 

 

yours,

 

Haim

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Your points are = excellent.

Bill


On Sep 27, 2006, at = 2:55 AM, <cefn.hoile@bt.com> = wrote:

Although I = think you're right that in the minds of many influential

commercial decision makers, P2P is = primarily about (il)legal content

distribution, I think it would be a shame to divert = technical attention

from the underlying requirements of P2P more = generally.


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The advance in=20 mobile wireless communication technology and the increasing number of=20 mobile users, extend the arena of P2P computing to encompass mobile=20 devices and wireless networks. The special characteristics of mobile=20 environments, such as highly variable connectivity, disconnection,=20 location-dependency, resource contraints, and diversity in wireless=20 networks as well as carrier-grade performance requirements bring new=20 challenges for research in mobile P2P computing. Based on the success of its three predecessors, MP2P?07 is intended to=20 serve as a continuing forum for scientists and engineers in academia and = industry to exchange and discuss their experiences, new ideas, and = research=20 results about all aspects of mobile P2P computing.=20 It will address the challenges, technologies, and architectures leading=20 to real-world solutions that provide users with direct access and = control=20 of their critical peer-based information and services, regardless of location=20 or device. The principal theme of MP2P?07 is the development of = protocols, systems and applications of mobile P2P architectures and the evaluation=20 of their performance.=20 Topics of particular interest include, but are not limited to: - Architecture and platforms for mobile P2P computing=20 - Measurement studies on mobile P2P systems - Performance of mobile P2P services - Resource and service discovery in mobile P2P computing - Resource exchange mechanisms in mobile P2P application - Multicast Protocols in mobile networks - Energy saving P2P protocols for mobile devices - Mobile P2P in wirelesss sensor networks - Security in mobile P2P networks - Mobile P2P over different kinds of bearer services: 2.5/3G (GPRS/UMTS) = / 802.11 (WLAN) - Mobile P2P & operator/provider requirements - Reliability and carrier-gradeness of mobile P2P services - Mobile P2P SIP - Mobile P2P & fixed P2P system interworking - Issues of combining P2P services with mobility (mobile IP / MANET)=20 - Peer access and control in mobile environment - Location dependent mobile P2P services - Data exchange and rendering techniques for mobile devices - Secure communication protocols for mobile P2P computing - Mobile P2P messaging systems - Peer-to-peer broadband wireless communications - Applications of mobile P2P - Middleware for mobile P2P - Nature-inspired algorithms for mobile P2P computing - Theoretical issues on mobile information diffusion - Mobile P2P video games - Stimulating cooperation in mobile computing - Multicast Protocols in mobile networks - Energy saving P2P protocols for mobile devices - Mobile P2P in wirelesss sensor networks Paper Submission:=20 ----------------- Papers must be written in English and should not exceed 5 pages in IEEE proceedings style. All submissions must describe original research, not published nor currently under review for another conference or journal. Authors MUST submit their papers through the PERDAS web site (http://www.percom.org/perdas) in three steps:=20 * Creation of a personal account on PERDAS (if the author does not = already have one)=20 * Registration of the paper (requiring a short abstract of up to 150 = words)=20 * Upload of the paper. Only in pdf format=20 Submission implies the willingness of at least one of the authors to register and present the paper.=20 There is only one registration for the whole PerCom "convention", all workshops included. The only exception from the full-registration rule = is: an author can register for her/his paper with a student registration if = i) (s)he is a student AND ii) on of her/his co-authors has a full = registration with PerCom. All submissions will be reviewed and selected based on their originality = of the paper. 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Publicity Chair: ---------------- Kurt Tutschku, Department of Distributed Systems, University of = W=FCrzburg, Germany=20 Program Committee Members: -------------------------- - Arup Acharya, IBM Watson Research Lab, USA. - Frank-Uwe Andersen, Siemens Communications, Germany. - Jiannong Cao, Hong Kong Polytechnic University, Hong Kong. - Geoff Coulson, Lancaster University, Lancaster, UK. - Hermann de Meer, Department of Computer Networks & Computer Communications, University of Passau, Germany. - Franca Delmastro, CNR-IIT ,Pisa, Italy. - Krishna Dhara, Avaya Labs Research. - Babak Esfandiari, Carleton University, Canada. - Stephen Hailes, Department of Computer Science, University College of London, UK. - Felix Hernandez-Campos, Department of Computer Science, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, USA. - Y. 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Engineering, Carleton = University, Canada. - Li Li, Communications Research Center Canada, , Canada. - Christoph Lindemann, Depart. of Communication Networks and = Distributed Systems, University of Leipzig, Germany. - Vishal Misra, Dept. of Computer Science, Columbia University, New = York, USA. - Maria Papadopouli, Department of Computer Science, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill , USA. - Rudolf Riedi, Department of Statistics, Rice University , USA. - George Roussos, School of Computer Science and Information Systems - Birkbeck College, University of London, UK. - Jochen Schiller, Institute of Computer Science, FU Berlin, Germany. - Hans-Peter Schwefel, Department of Communication Technology, Aalborg University, Denmark. - Shervin Shirmohammadi, School of Information Technology and = Engineering (SITE), University of Ottawa, Canada. - Apostolos Traganitis, Telecommunications and Networks Laboratory,University of Crete, Greece. - Kurt Tutschku, Department of Distributed Systems, University of = W=FCrzburg, Germany. - Klaus Wehrle, Distributed Systems Group, RWTH Aachen, Germany. - Chansu Yu, Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, = Cleveland State University, USA. _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From p2prg-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 27 12:24:28 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GScCy-00020N-8S; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:24:28 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GScCw-0001z2-5m for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:24:26 -0400 Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GScCv-0000eP-Gk for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:24:26 -0400 Received: from 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:24:13 -0400 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2006092712241323990 ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:24:13 -0400 Received: from 0591-ITS-EXMP02.us.saic.com ([10.42.81.248]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:24:12 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [P2Prg] DRM, QoS, Content Distribution is primary? Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:24:11 -0400 Message-Id: <62D92A9A02BCC845B202323D49A48426230EB2@0591-ITS-EXMP02.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [P2Prg] DRM, QoS, Content Distribution is primary? Thread-Index: AcbiUyWXY2KcSfxGQ6Cgvg0AkwKhDAABYT/Q From: "Roy, Radhika R." To: "Haim Rochberger" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2006 16:24:12.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E274CA0:01C6E251] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 942a2239d4a6506347d099a4d907f6bf Cc: p2prg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0820177268==" Errors-To: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0820177268== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6E251.5DA8433E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E251.5DA8433E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Haim: =20 Let me try to articulate some answers in the context of P2P if not pure P2P standards per se. =20 If you say that P2P file sharing for example is not waiting for any standards, it may not too clear to everyone because of the following: =20 1. What do we mean by p2p arch? 2. How do the p2p nodes of the network operate? 3. What have been the responsibilities for p2p routing scheme? Is in the p2p application layer only? 4. What happens if the p2p nodes are mobile and not fixed infrastructure? 5. Are p2p entities concerned about QOS? If so, can anyone provide guarantee? 6. How do we resolve the destination address for routing in p2p networking? Does it have any impact on the lower layer IP routing? Can static BGP protocol be used in the fixed infrastructure p2p networking? 7. Can p2p applications like real-time communications and conferencing where multiple endpoints are involved in communications in real-time be done unlike that of the application retrieval service - file sharing? 8. Many other important items that p2p network may need to address. =20 What has been the prime driver of my earlier email is to provide some guideline what IETF can do for fostering/creating of standards in the area of p2p networking because this is where the Internet is up to. It is not that P2Prg WG has to create standards.=20 =20 Let there be their constant guidance from their own research along the line of the above. To star with p2p-SIP WG may be one of them which is waiting to get their guidance. MANET WG may be guided how p2p applications can be used to have the proper QOS using p2p-MANET routing scheme. =20 Will the future p2p-node need to have functionalities of SIP UA, Proxy, and application functions in each mobile node to have p2p networking? That is, is the distribution of SIP server functionalities to the edge only solution for the pure p2p application for example? =20 Think about a situation that the Internet might have billions of routers across the whole world in the near future. Even inter-planet Internet will also established by NASA. All airplanes will have their own mobile routers and internal routers inside each airplane. They will be communication among themselves constantly in all continents on the fly (known as MANET-in-the-fly).=20 =20 Are all these extreme phenomena pointing to the one eternal fact: Peer-to-Peer Networking? =20 Let us discuss on these topics. =20 Best regards, Radhika =20 ________________________________ From: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:p2prg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haim Rochberger Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:37 AM To: p2prg@ietf.org Subject: [P2Prg] DRM, QoS, Content Distribution is primary? =20 Hi Cefn, =20 Here is my point: =20 Talk a bit about the basics: Building any standard is based on the assumption that multiple points (devices, SW applications etc), "manufactured" by multiple "vendors" (can be a guy in his basement or a big corporation), and all these entities - if comply with the standard, will work together (hopefully if you built a concrete standard and implementation). =20 Therefore, when I thought about P2P and standard in the context of the (il)legal file sharing, I thought that these two don't mix (allow everyone to understand his control... etc). =20 So that is why I think that for the target of having a P2P standard (any) that will eventually be created by the IETF, the IRTF should concentrate in a research about targets that will need standards. =20 That does not say to start everything from scratch, but leverage the things known from the legacy P2P technology and refine it to the requirements of applications that do wish for standards (wrote this word too many times.. sorry). =20 So to your point: "...Although I think you're right that in the minds of many influential commercial decision makers, P2P is primarily about (il)legal content distribution, I think it would be a shame to divert technical attention from the underlying requirements of P2P more generally." =20 My reply is that to my humble understanding.. this "more general p2p" are not waiting for standards and not plan to use them. =20 On the other hand legal p2p had high expectations and strong requirements, and DO wish to have a standard. =20 =20 =20 =20 yours, =20 Haim=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E251.5DA8433E Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Haim:

 

Let me try to articulate some answers in = the context of P2P if not pure P2P standards per = se.

 

If you say that P2P file sharing for = example is not waiting for any standards, it may not too clear to everyone because = of the following:

 

1.       = What do we mean by p2p arch?

2.       = How do the p2p nodes of the network = operate?

3.       = What have been the responsibilities for p2p routing scheme? = Is in the p2p application layer only?

4.       = What happens if the p2p nodes are mobile and not fixed = infrastructure?

5.       = Are p2p entities concerned about QOS? If so, can anyone = provide guarantee?

6.       = How do we resolve the destination address for routing in p2p networking? Does it have any impact on the lower layer IP routing? Can = static BGP protocol be used in the fixed infrastructure p2p = networking?

7.       = Can p2p applications like real-time communications and = conferencing where multiple endpoints are involved in communications in real-time be = done unlike that of the application retrieval service - file = sharing?

8.       = Many other important items that p2p network may need to = address.

 

What has been the prime driver of my = earlier email is to provide some guideline what IETF can do for = fostering/creating of standards in the area of p2p networking because this is where the = Internet is up to. It is not that P2Prg WG has to create standards. =

 

Let there be their constant guidance from = their own research along the line of the above. To star with p2p-SIP WG may be = one of them which is waiting to get their guidance. MANET WG may be guided how = p2p applications can be used to have the proper QOS using p2p-MANET routing = scheme.

 

Will the future p2p-node need to have functionalities of SIP UA, Proxy, and application functions in each = mobile node to have p2p networking? That is, is the distribution of SIP server functionalities to the edge only solution for the pure p2p application = for example?

 

Think about a situation that the Internet = might have billions of routers across the whole world in the near future. Even = inter-planet Internet will also established by NASA. All airplanes will have their = own mobile routers and internal routers inside each airplane. They will be = communication among themselves constantly in all continents on the fly (known as = MANET-in-the-fly).

 

Are all these extreme phenomena pointing = to the one eternal fact: Peer-to-Peer Networking?

 

Let us discuss on these = topics.

 

Best regards,

Radhika

 

From: p2prg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:p2prg-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Haim Rochberger
Sent: Wednesday, = September 27, 2006 11:37 AM
To: p2prg@ietf.org
Subject: [P2Prg] DRM, = QoS, Content Distribution is primary?

 

Hi Cefn,

 

Here is my point:

 

Talk a bit about the basics:

Building any standard is based on the assumption that multiple points (devices, = SW applications etc), "manufactured" by multiple = "vendors" (can be a guy in his basement or a big corporation), and all these = entities – if comply with the standard, will work together (hopefully if = you built a concrete standard and implementation).

 

Therefore, when I thought about P2P and = standard in the context of the (il)legal file sharing, I thought that these two = don't mix (allow everyone to understand his control… = etc).

 

So that is why I think that for the target = of having a P2P standard (any) that will eventually be created by the IETF, = the IRTF should concentrate in a research about targets that will need = standards.

 

That does not say to start everything from scratch, but leverage the things known from the legacy P2P technology = and refine it to the requirements of applications that do wish for standards = (wrote this word too many times.. sorry).

 

So to your = point:

   "…Although I think =
you're right that in the minds of many influential commercial decision =
makers, P2P is primarily    about (il)legal content =
distribution, I think it would be a shame to divert technical attention =
from the underlying requirements of P2P more =
generally."
 
My reply is that to my humble understanding.. =
this "more general p2p" are not waiting for standards and not =
plan to use them.
 
On the other hand legal p2p had high =
expectations and strong requirements, and DO wish to have a standard. =
 

 

 

 

yours,

 

Haim

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