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From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Tue Mar 5 06:47:30 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24963 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:47:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349DA64131 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id GAA19810 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA19806 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:34:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id GAA09401 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1556409A for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24249; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:31:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200203051131.GAA24249@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: pilc@grc.nasa.gov From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-pilc-link-design-09.txt Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 06:31:53 -0500 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Performance Implications of Link Characteristics Working Group of the IETF. Title : Advice for Internet Subnetwork Designers Author(s) : P. Karn Filename : draft-ietf-pilc-link-design-09.txt Pages : 21 Date : 04-Mar-02 This document provides advice to the designers of digital communication equipment, link layer protocols and packet switched subnetworks (collectively referred to as subnetworks) who wish to support the Internet protocols but who may be unfamiliar with Internet architecture and the implications of their design choices on the performance and efficiency of the Internet. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pilc-link-design-09.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-pilc-link-design-09.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pilc-link-design-09.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20020304141709.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pilc-link-design-09.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-pilc-link-design-09.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20020304141709.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Tue Mar 5 18:00:39 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA04999 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BB6C6999 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id RAA15152 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15107; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id RAA01441; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C515864091; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from nit.isi.edu (nit.isi.edu [128.9.160.116]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g25Mma025637; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:48:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: 2nd working group last call for draft-ietf-link-design-09.txt From: Aaron Falk To: pilc Cc: Mark Allman , Phil Karn , Allison Mankin , Spencer Dawkins Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 05 Mar 2002 14:48:36 -0800 Message-Id: <1015368517.14705.17.camel@nit> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All- The document "Advice for Internet Subnetwork Designers" has last called already and Mark has incorporated the feedback that's been received. 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From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Wed Mar 6 13:53:15 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA27152 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:53:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675B3C6982 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id NAA10767 for pilc-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:42:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA10742; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id NAA11423; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.nmt.edu (mailhost.nmt.edu [129.138.4.52]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4C8640C8; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmttb97i6f89th ([129.138.6.121]) by mailhost.nmt.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g26IcpPh017766; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:38:52 -0700 Message-ID: <003001c1c547$1abe3ef0$79068a81@nmttb97i6f89th> Reply-To: "Mc.Ky" From: "Mc.Ky" To: , Cc: "Aaron Falk" , References: <200202281954.OAA30100@guns.lerc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: rev 09 of link submitted Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:42:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, the reference to the MPEG-2 standards document is incorrect: it is NOT 13181 but 13818-1. The current version (I believe) is the second edition published in Dec. 2000: [ISO13818] ISO/IEC, ISO/IEC 13818-1:2000(E) Information Technology - Generic coding of moving pictures and associated audio information: Systems, Second edition, 2000-12-01 International Organization for Standardization and International Electrotechnical Commission. For the other DVB document there is alwso a more recent version available (and it is no longer a draft but a standards document): [EN301] ETSI, European Broadcasting Union, Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB); DVB Specification for Data Broadcasting, European Standard (Telecommunications Series) EN 301 192 v1.2.1(1999-06) Regards, --Horst Clausen From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Thu Mar 7 07:15:41 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA19364 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:15:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9811464120 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id HAA08653 for pilc-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA08644 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id HAA15952 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC97D64117 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 06:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA18380; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 06:58:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200203071158.GAA18380@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: pilc@grc.nasa.gov From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-pilc-2.5g3g-07.txt Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 06:58:02 -0500 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Performance Implications of Link Characteristics Working Group of the IETF. Title : TCP over Second (2.5G) and Third (3G) Generation Wireless Networks Author(s) : H. Inamura et al. Filename : draft-ietf-pilc-2.5g3g-07.txt Pages : 28 Date : 06-Mar-02 This document describes a profile for optimizing TCP over second (2.5G) and third (3G) generation wireless networks. We describe the relevant characteristics, and discuss example deployments of the proposed profile for 2.5G and 3G wireless services. We then recommend TCP optimization mechanisms and discuss open issues. All the configuration options in this document are found in modern TCP stacks and are widely available and may be used safely on the general Internet. Even hosts which serve predominantly non-wireless users may safely enable these options. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pilc-2.5g3g-07.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-pilc-2.5g3g-07.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pilc-2.5g3g-07.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20020306143727.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pilc-2.5g3g-07.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-pilc-2.5g3g-07.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20020306143727.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Thu Mar 7 08:35:05 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA23262 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56A5C69FF for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id IAA26808 for pilc-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA26773 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id IAA29848 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from almso2.proxy.att.com (almso2.att.com [192.128.166.71]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0380C69A6 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from attrh3i.attrh.att.com ([135.71.62.12]) by almso2.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-3.0) with ESMTP id g27DMl901501 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from occlust04evs1.ugd.att.com (135.71.164.12) by attrh3i.attrh.att.com (5.5.029) id 3C8382B00011D7C8 for pilc@grc.nasa.gov; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:22:42 -0500 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: 2nd working group last call for draft-ietf-link-design-09.txt Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:22:42 -0500 Message-ID: <28F05913385EAC43AF019413F674A0171EBBF3@OCCLUST04EVS1.ugd.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Thread-Topic: 2nd working group last call for draft-ietf-link-design-09.txt Thread-Index: AcHEmZgon3nSEUmyRNmWkeX78WfzawBQKQbA From: "Lai, Wai S (Waisum), ALASO" To: "pilc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov id IAA26802 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The following text was proposed for the 09 version: http://pilc.grc.nasa.gov/pilc/list/archive/1742.html It was somehow left out. May I ask that it be incorporated? Thanks, Wai Sum. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Falk [mailto:falk@ISI.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:49 PM To: pilc Cc: Mark Allman; Phil Karn; Allison Mankin; Spencer Dawkins Subject: 2nd working group last call for draft-ietf-link-design-09.txt All- The document "Advice for Internet Subnetwork Designers" has last called already and Mark has incorporated the feedback that's been received. Before sending it to the IESG, we think it should get another quick last call. Send your comments to the list or to the editors/authors before Friday, March 15th. --aaron From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Thu Mar 7 12:46:47 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA10197 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB055640A3 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id MAA16831 for pilc-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:36:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA16786 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id MAA23509 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7667864193 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from nit.isi.edu (nit.isi.edu [128.9.160.116]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g27HVZ029398; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:31:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: 2nd working group last call for 2.5G3G From: Aaron Falk To: pilc Cc: Spencer Dawkins , Hiroshi INAMURA , gabriel montenegro , Allison Mankin Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 07 Mar 2002 09:31:35 -0800 Message-Id: <1015522295.7097.13.camel@nit> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All- "TCP over Second (2.5G) and Third (3G) Generation Wireless Networks" has undergone substantial revisions since the first wg last call and, in the opinion of the editors and wg chairs, is fairly stable and complete. Please review it and submit comments to the pilc list and/or the editors/authors before Friday, March 15th. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Fri Mar 8 16:13:43 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA04332 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:13:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DF8641AB for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:13:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id QAA11458 for pilc-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11447 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id QAA05997 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:06:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from n8.groups.yahoo.com (n8.groups.yahoo.com [216.115.96.58]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with SMTP id DB33F64197 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:59:14 -0500 (EST) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-6230369-3-1015621154-pilc=grc.nasa.gov@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.187] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2002 20:59:14 -0000 X-Sender: mplsguru2002@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: mplsissues@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 8 Mar 2002 20:59:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 5512 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 20:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2002 20:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 20:59:13 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.144] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2002 20:59:12 -0000 To: mplsissues@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "mplsguru2002" X-Originating-IP: 206.47.172.148 X-Yahoo-Profile: mplsguru2002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list mplsissues@yahoogroups.com; contact mplsissues-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list mplsissues@yahoogroups.com List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 20:59:07 -0000 Subject: [mplsissues] Re: Hi, who is the moderator for this group? Reply-To: mplsissues@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- In mplsissues@y..., "davarish" wrote: > Good afternoon Davarish. Welcome to the MPLS Issues Newsgroup. I would be the moderator and hope you enjoy your experience here on MPLS Issues. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/nuyOHD/7.PDAA/yigFAA/26EolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: mplsissues-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Fri Mar 8 16:31:28 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA05289 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D38664266 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id QAA16831 for pilc-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:23:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA16818 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id QAA09660 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from n7.groups.yahoo.com (n7.groups.yahoo.com [216.115.96.57]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with SMTP id 023666422C for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:17:23 -0500 (EST) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-6230369-4-1015622243-pilc=grc.nasa.gov@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.162] by n7.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2002 21:17:23 -0000 X-Sender: mplsguru2002@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: mplsissues@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 8 Mar 2002 21:17:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 98410 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 19:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2002 19:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 19:53:46 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.178] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2002 19:53:46 -0000 To: mplsissues@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes From: "mplsguru2002" X-Originating-IP: 206.47.172.148 X-Yahoo-Profile: mplsguru2002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list mplsissues@yahoogroups.com; contact mplsissues-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list mplsissues@yahoogroups.com List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 19:53:45 -0000 Subject: [mplsissues] WELCOME TO THE MPLS ISSUES GROUP Reply-To: mplsissues@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to take this opportuntity to welcome you all to the MPLS ISSUES Newsgroup. This has been formed on the basis of providing technology experts like yourselves a mechanism whereby they can provide assistance, seek support, share information and promote any news within the industry. As MPLS evolves, I am certain that this group will evolve with it. I invite all of you to check out the following URL's for information on the latest evolutions in MPLS and GMPLS: 1) The MPLS Forum - http://www.mplsforum.org 2) The MPLS Resource Center - http://www.mplsrc.com If you or your organization has an event or news release that they would like to submit, please email me at mplsguru2002@yahoo.com. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Fri Mar 8 16:31:31 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA05310 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7E0C6A99 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id QAA17254 for pilc-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA17231 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id QAA09901 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from n27.groups.yahoo.com (n27.groups.yahoo.com [216.115.96.77]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with SMTP id DE911C6A78 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:17:26 -0500 (EST) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-6230369-5-1015622245-pilc=grc.nasa.gov@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.166] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2002 21:17:26 -0000 X-Sender: Majordomo-Owner@psg.com X-Apparently-To: mplsissues@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 8 Mar 2002 21:17:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 48870 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 21:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2002 21:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO psg.com) (147.28.0.62) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 21:17:25 -0000 Received: from lserv by psg.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16jRjw-000A7i-00 for mplsissues@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 13:17:24 -0800 To: mplsissues@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: majordomo@psg.com From: eos-request@ops.ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list mplsissues@yahoogroups.com; contact mplsissues-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list mplsissues@yahoogroups.com List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 13:17:24 -0800 Subject: Majordomo results: [mplsissues] WELCOME TO THE MPLS ISSUES Reply-To: mplsissues@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- >>>> I would like to take this opportuntity to welcome you all to the MPLS **** Command 'i' not recognized. >>>> ISSUES Newsgroup. **** Command 'issues' not recognized. >>>> >>>> This has been formed on the basis of providing technology experts **** Command 'this' not recognized. >>>> like yourselves a mechanism whereby they can provide assistance, seek **** Command 'like' not recognized. >>>> support, share information and promote any news within the industry. **** Command 'support,' not recognized. >>>> >>>> As MPLS evolves, I am certain that this group will evolve with it. **** Command 'as' not recognized. >>>> >>>> I invite all of you to check out the following URL's for information **** Command 'i' not recognized. >>>> on the latest evolutions in MPLS and GMPLS: **** Command 'on' not recognized. >>>> >>>> 1) The MPLS Forum - http://www.mplsforum.org **** Command '1)' not recognized. >>>> >>>> 2) The MPLS Resource Center - http://www.mplsrc.com **** Command '2)' not recognized. >>>> >>>> If you or your organization has an event or news release that they **** Command 'if' not recognized. >>>> would like to submit, please email me at mplsguru2002@yahoo.com. **** Command 'would' not recognized. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------ Yahoo! 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------=_pzw7zAzP_BWJnCs2y_MA-- From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Mon Mar 11 13:38:51 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18804 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:38:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA2864221 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id NAA15601 for pilc-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:32:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA15585 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id NAA13844 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE14C6939 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from nit.isi.edu (nit.isi.edu [128.9.160.116]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2BIMQ024244; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:22:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: L2 Triggers Bar-BOF From: Aaron Falk To: pilc Cc: Allison Mankin , Carl Williams , James Kempf In-Reply-To: <056f01c1c64a$2ace3080$686015ac@docomocarl> References: <056f01c1c64a$2ace3080$686015ac@docomocarl> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 11 Mar 2002 10:22:26 -0800 Message-Id: <1015870946.2807.33.camel@nit> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey- There's going to be a Bar-BoF in Minneapolis on Layer 2 triggers which might be of interest to the folks on this list. See below for the invitation and a (discarded) draft description for a real BoF. I'm including the BoF description since it's the best overview I have on the issues. One of the goals of the Bar-BoF will be to understand L2 trigger applications to ensure that an IETF effort (wg or bof) will have an architectural approach that has the right balance of minimalism and specificity. --aaron On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 18:37, Carl Williams wrote: > A L2 triggers pre-BOF will be held at the IETF > on Monday nite at 10:00pm. We will meet > at 10:00pm in front of the bulletin board near > the IETF registration desk and > proceed to an empty conference room. > > Aaron Falk (falk@ISI.edu) and myself > will co-chair the pre-BOF discussion on > L2 triggers. Aaron is currently co-chair > of the PILC working group and we will > work together in faciliating a good discussion > on L2 triggers in preparation for > an official BOF in Japan. > > There have been several L2 related internet > drafts both dealing with more wireless area. > We would like to get some discussion about > how L2 triggers can be broadened out of being > strictly a wireless related thing and be more general. > > Please join us in this pre-BOF L2 triggers debate > on Monday, March 18. > > > Thanks > > Carl and Aaron > Co-chairs of L2 Triggers Pre-BOF > > L2 Trigger Pre-BOF > 10:00pm on March 18 (Monday evening) > In front of IETF bulletin board (near IETF registration) BoF Description --------------- Since the PILC working group was formed, an additional set of problems involving the interaction between wireless link layers and IP has emerged. These problems all have in common the need for timely information from the link layer about certain processes that are unique to wireless networks, and which critically impact the performance or ease of implementation at the IP layer. Such information has generically been called L2 triggers. Specific examples of L2 triggers are information required to improve handover performance, particularly for real time traffic, and to allow IP dormant mode host alerting (a.k.a paging) to utilize link layer paging support. Drafts discussing these particular problems are draft-manyfolks-mobilereq-l2-04.txt, for handover, and draft-guri-seamoby-lahap-00.txt, for paging. Additional possible uses of L2 triggers that have been suggested are for MANETS and for radio QoS signaling. This BOF will discuss currently proposed and suggested uses for L2 triggers, and whether enough work in this area exists to form a working group. Possible Topics for a Working Group Charter (should one be deemed desirable) ---------------------------------------------------------------- - Accept draft-manyfolks-mobilereq-l2.txt as a WG draft and complete to Informational RFC status. - Accept that part of draft-guri-seamoby-lahap-00.txt dealing with L2 triggers for paging and complete to Informational RFC status. - Solicit Internet drafts on L2 triggers of MANETs, in conjunction with the MANET group, and radio QoS signaling, in conjunction with the NSIS group, for completion to Informational RFC status. - Develop and standardize an IP protocol for handover L2 triggers between bridging access points and access routers. This would be for L2 protocols in which a wired IP access network separates the access point from the access router. - Discuss with IEEE 802.11, and any other SDO that might need it, the possibility of including L2 triggers in their L2 protocols. > From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Mon Mar 11 14:08:55 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19552 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F42642BB for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id OAA24621 for pilc-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA24608 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id OAA19882 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ra.udcast.com (ANice-101-2-1-104.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.10.104]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C961C6A79 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from pplc@localhost) by ra.udcast.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g2BIlHw32327; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:47:17 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:47:17 +0100 Message-Id: <200203111847.g2BIlHw32327@ra.udcast.com> From: Patrick Cipiere To: falk@ISI.EDU Cc: pilc@grc.nasa.gov, mankin@ISI.EDU, carlw@docomolabs-usa.com, kempf@docomolabs-usa.com In-reply-to: <1015870946.2807.33.camel@nit> (message from Aaron Falk on 11 Mar 2002 10:22:26 -0800) Subject: Re: L2 Triggers Bar-BOF Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Where can I get draft-manyfolks-mobilereq-l2.txt and draft-guri-seamoby-lahap-00.txt Thanks, Patrick. -- UDcast: Full IP over Broadcast Media Phone: (+33) (0)4 93 00 16 99 Mobile: (+33) (0)6 14 21 55 98 Fax: (+33) (0)4 93 00 16 61 http://www.UDcast.com From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Mon Mar 11 14:09:43 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19612 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CFA641CB for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id OAA25934 for pilc-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25924 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id OAA21002 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from fridge.docomolabs-usa.com (fridge.docomolabs-usa.com [216.98.102.228]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4388C641BF for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from docomocarl (dhcp104.docomolabs-usa.com [172.21.96.104]) by fridge.docomolabs-usa.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2BIqCI17756; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:52:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00bb01c1c92d$ff481570$686015ac@docomocarl> From: "Carl Williams" To: "Patrick Cipiere" , Cc: , , References: <200203111847.g2BIlHw32327@ra.udcast.com> Subject: Re: L2 Triggers Bar-BOF Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:53:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.potaroo.net/ietf/ids/draft-manyfolks-l2-mobilereq-01.txt For draft-manyfolks-l2-mobilereq-01.txt and http://mirrors.sunsite.dk/drafts/draft-guri-seamoby-lahap-00.txt for: Layer-2 aided mobility independent dormant host alerting protocol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Cipiere" To: Cc: ; ; ; Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:47 AM Subject: Re: L2 Triggers Bar-BOF > Where can I get draft-manyfolks-mobilereq-l2.txt and > draft-guri-seamoby-lahap-00.txt > > Thanks, > Patrick. > -- > UDcast: Full IP over Broadcast Media > > Phone: (+33) (0)4 93 00 16 99 > Mobile: (+33) (0)6 14 21 55 98 > Fax: (+33) (0)4 93 00 16 61 http://www.UDcast.com > From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Mon Mar 11 14:12:49 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19685 for ; 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Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:51:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: L2 Triggers Bar-BOF From: Aaron Falk To: Patrick Cipiere Cc: pilc , Allison Mankin , Carl Williams , James Kempf In-Reply-To: <200203111847.g2BIlHw32327@ra.udcast.com> References: <200203111847.g2BIlHw32327@ra.udcast.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 11 Mar 2002 10:51:57 -0800 Message-Id: <1015872717.2808.48.camel@nit> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 2002-03-11 at 10:47, Patrick Cipiere wrote: > Where can I get draft-manyfolks-mobilereq-l2.txt and http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-manyfolks-l2-mobilereq-01.txt > draft-guri-seamoby-lahap-00.txt http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-guri-seamoby-lahap-00.txt > > Thanks, > Patrick. > -- > UDcast: Full IP over Broadcast Media > > Phone: (+33) (0)4 93 00 16 99 > Mobile: (+33) (0)6 14 21 55 98 > Fax: (+33) (0)4 93 00 16 61 http://www.UDcast.com From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Tue Mar 12 09:34:06 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23168 for ; 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From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Tue Mar 12 12:01:02 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA27481 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7880164202 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id LAA15870 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15859 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id LAA25473 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from web11707.mail.yahoo.com (web11707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.73]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D7FA64183 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:46:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020312164625.18010.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.209.230.171] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:46:25 PST Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:46:25 -0800 (PST) From: Behcet Sarikaya Subject: Re: L2 Triggers Bar-BOF To: Aaron Falk , pilc Cc: Allison Mankin , Carl Williams , James Kempf In-Reply-To: <1015870946.2807.33.camel@nit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Hello Aaron, As a coauthor let me suggest a correction to your email, The draft that defines an API for paging triggers is: http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-guri-seamoby-paging-triggers-00.txt while the draft: http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-guri-seamoby-lahap-00.txt used these triggers in defining an IP Paging protocol. Therefore I think that the reference in your BOF description should be changed to draft-guri-seamoby-triggers-00.txt. Regards, --- Aaron Falk wrote: > Hey- > > There's going to be a Bar-BoF in Minneapolis on > Layer 2 triggers which > might be of interest to the folks on this list. See > below for the > invitation and a (discarded) draft description for a > real BoF. I'm > including the BoF description since it's the best > overview I have on the > issues. One of the goals of the Bar-BoF will be to > understand L2 > trigger applications to ensure that an IETF effort > (wg or bof) will have > an architectural approach that has the right balance > of minimalism and > specificity. > > --aaron > > On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 18:37, Carl Williams wrote: > > A L2 triggers pre-BOF will be held at the IETF > > on Monday nite at 10:00pm. We will meet > > at 10:00pm in front of the bulletin board near > > the IETF registration desk and > > proceed to an empty conference room. > > > > Aaron Falk (falk@ISI.edu) and myself > > will co-chair the pre-BOF discussion on > > L2 triggers. Aaron is currently co-chair > > of the PILC working group and we will > > work together in faciliating a good discussion > > on L2 triggers in preparation for > > an official BOF in Japan. > > > > There have been several L2 related internet > > drafts both dealing with more wireless area. > > We would like to get some discussion about > > how L2 triggers can be broadened out of being > > strictly a wireless related thing and be more > general. > > > > Please join us in this pre-BOF L2 triggers debate > > on Monday, March 18. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Carl and Aaron > > Co-chairs of L2 Triggers Pre-BOF > > > > L2 Trigger Pre-BOF > > 10:00pm on March 18 (Monday evening) > > In front of IETF bulletin board (near IETF > registration) > > BoF Description > --------------- > > Since the PILC working group was formed, an > additional > set of problems involving the interaction between > wireless > link layers and IP has emerged. These problems all > have in > common the need for timely information from the link > layer > about certain processes that are unique to wireless > networks, > and which critically impact the performance or ease > of implementation > at the IP layer. Such information has generically > been called L2 > triggers. > > Specific examples of L2 triggers are information > required to > improve handover performance, particularly for real > time traffic, > and to allow IP dormant mode host alerting (a.k.a > paging) > to utilize link layer paging support. Drafts > discussing these > particular problems are > draft-manyfolks-mobilereq-l2-04.txt, > for handover, and draft-guri-seamoby-lahap-00.txt, > for paging. > Additional possible uses of L2 triggers that have > been > suggested are for MANETS and for radio QoS > signaling. This > BOF will discuss currently proposed and suggested > uses for L2 triggers, > and whether enough work in this area exists to form > a working > group. > > Possible Topics for a Working Group Charter (should > one be deemed > desirable) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > - Accept draft-manyfolks-mobilereq-l2.txt as a WG > draft and > complete to Informational RFC status. > > - Accept that part of > draft-guri-seamoby-lahap-00.txt dealing > with L2 triggers for paging and complete to > Informational RFC status. > > - Solicit Internet drafts on L2 triggers of MANETs, > in conjunction with > the MANET group, and radio QoS signaling, in > conjunction with the NSIS > group, for completion to Informational RFC status. > > - Develop and standardize an IP protocol for > handover L2 triggers > between bridging access points and access routers. > This would be for L2 > protocols in which a wired IP access network > separates the access point > from the access router. > > - Discuss with IEEE 802.11, and any other SDO that > might need it, the > possibility of including L2 triggers in their L2 > protocols. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Tue Mar 12 12:24:52 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28022 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:24:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8DF6412E for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id MAA23620 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA23603 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id MAA01275 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from sophia.inria.fr (sophia.inria.fr [138.96.32.20]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D8464207 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from sophia.inria.fr by sophia.inria.fr (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2CHAij25376 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:10:44 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: sophia.inria.fr: Host django.inria.fr [138.96.88.73] claimed to be sophia.inria.fr Message-ID: <3C8E3694.268D63CE@sophia.inria.fr> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:10:44 +0100 From: Qiang Ni Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: fr, fr-FR, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pilc Subject: Question about IEEE 802.11 RLC and Error control? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all PILC experts: I am a research engineer in INRIA. And I am very interested in TCP/UDP over IEEE 802.11. I know 802.11 specify the MAC layer function as DCF,PCF and PHY as DSSS,FHSS and Infrared. But I have a question about 802.11 link layer, does it have a error control(FEC,ARQ) or RLC layer for radio error control?Or it only use 802.2 LLC for data link control the same as 802.3 Ethernet? Please help me to answer my question. Thanks a lot, Qiang Ni -- *********************************** Planete Group, Sophia Antipolis,INRIA,France Qiang.Ni@sophia.inria.fr (+33) 4 92 38 79 59 *********************************** From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Tue Mar 12 12:57:04 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29179 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5E4C6A63 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id MAA03183 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA03172 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id MAA08196 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from sophia.inria.fr (sophia.inria.fr [138.96.32.20]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4498641EA for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from sophia.inria.fr by sophia.inria.fr (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2CHgtj27417; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:42:55 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: sophia.inria.fr: Host django.inria.fr [138.96.88.73] claimed to be sophia.inria.fr Message-ID: <3C8E3E1F.A798806B@sophia.inria.fr> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:42:55 +0100 From: Qiang Ni Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: fr, fr-FR, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Miguel Sanchez Cc: pilc@grc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Question about IEEE 802.11 RLC and Error control? References: <3C8E3694.268D63CE@sophia.inria.fr> <004101c1c9eb$875f6cc0$11352a9e@miguelsa> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,Miguel Sanchez: But 802.11 does link layer ARQ(ACK) only for collision avoidance. And if there is some shadowing or fading,the receiver will not receive the frame correctly and will not send the ACK frame, then the sender will misunderstand it come from collision and backoff,that will degrade the throughput, especially inefficient for realtime error-torelent apllication. Is my argument right? Best, Ni Miguel Sanchez wrote: > > Hi, > > 802.11 does link layer ARQ (that's the purpose of the ACK frame). You can > get the whole specs from grouper.ieee.org > > Of course this is true for unicast frames, not for broadcasts. > > Miguel Sanchez > Polythecnic University of Valencia, Spain > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Qiang Ni" > To: "pilc" > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:10 PM > Subject: Question about IEEE 802.11 RLC and Error control? > > > Dear all PILC experts: > > > > I am a research engineer in INRIA. And I am very interested in TCP/UDP > > over IEEE 802.11. > > I know 802.11 specify the MAC layer function as DCF,PCF and PHY as > > DSSS,FHSS and Infrared. > > > > But I have a question about 802.11 link layer, does it have a error > > control(FEC,ARQ) or RLC > > layer for radio error control?Or it only use 802.2 LLC for data link > > control the same as 802.3 > > Ethernet? > > > > Please help me to answer my question. > > > > Thanks a lot, > > > > Qiang Ni > > -- > > > > *********************************** > > Planete Group, > > Sophia Antipolis,INRIA,France > > Qiang.Ni@sophia.inria.fr > > (+33) 4 92 38 79 59 > > *********************************** -- *********************************** Planete Group, Sophia Antipolis,INRIA,France Qiang.Ni@sophia.inria.fr (+33) 4 92 38 79 59 *********************************** From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Tue Mar 12 13:56:02 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA01539 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98757C6AB9 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id NAA24043 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24039 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id NAA22441 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.yaonline.es (smtp4.yaonline.es [62.151.4.2]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841BD64126 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from papa (217-125-50-240.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.125.50.240]) by smtp4.yaonline.es (Ya.com mail service) with SMTP id 6D47F27F07; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:40:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005201c1c9f5$ca4bcba0$02001aac@papa> Reply-To: "Miguel Sanchez" From: "Miguel Sanchez" To: "Qiang Ni" Cc: References: <3C8E3694.268D63CE@sophia.inria.fr> <004101c1c9eb$875f6cc0$11352a9e@miguelsa> <3C8E3E1F.A798806B@sophia.inria.fr> Subject: Re: Question about IEEE 802.11 RLC and Error control? Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:43:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Qiang, Don't think so. ACK mission is to inform the sender about ok reception of the frame. Failure to get ack will signal a reception problem but NOT a collision. RTS/CTS will prevent the collision to happen. If you don't use RTS/CTS then the absence of an ack could mean a collision though. Regards, Miguel Sanchez ----- Original Message ----- From: "Qiang Ni" To: "Miguel Sanchez" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:42 PM Subject: Re: Question about IEEE 802.11 RLC and Error control? > Hi,Miguel Sanchez: > > But 802.11 does link layer ARQ(ACK) only for collision avoidance. And if > there is some > shadowing or fading,the receiver will not receive the frame correctly > and will not send > the ACK frame, then the sender will misunderstand it come from collision > and backoff,that > will degrade the throughput, especially inefficient for realtime > error-torelent apllication. > Is my argument right? > > Best, > Ni > > > Miguel Sanchez wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > 802.11 does link layer ARQ (that's the purpose of the ACK frame). You can > > get the whole specs from grouper.ieee.org > > > > Of course this is true for unicast frames, not for broadcasts. > > > > Miguel Sanchez > > Polythecnic University of Valencia, Spain > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Qiang Ni" > > To: "pilc" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:10 PM > > Subject: Question about IEEE 802.11 RLC and Error control? > > > > > Dear all PILC experts: > > > > > > I am a research engineer in INRIA. And I am very interested in TCP/UDP > > > over IEEE 802.11. > > > I know 802.11 specify the MAC layer function as DCF,PCF and PHY as > > > DSSS,FHSS and Infrared. > > > > > > But I have a question about 802.11 link layer, does it have a error > > > control(FEC,ARQ) or RLC > > > layer for radio error control?Or it only use 802.2 LLC for data link > > > control the same as 802.3 > > > Ethernet? > > > > > > Please help me to answer my question. > > > > > > Thanks a lot, > > > > > > Qiang Ni > > > -- > > > > > > *********************************** > > > Planete Group, > > > Sophia Antipolis,INRIA,France > > > Qiang.Ni@sophia.inria.fr > > > (+33) 4 92 38 79 59 > > > *********************************** > > -- > > *********************************** > Planete Group, > Sophia Antipolis,INRIA,France > Qiang.Ni@sophia.inria.fr > (+33) 4 92 38 79 59 > *********************************** From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Thu Mar 14 05:52:34 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA14602 for ; 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How can optimal use be made of both environments such = that a realistic business service is possible?=20 Carriers will bring answers next April 23-26 during the third edition of = IPCN (Intersection of Mobile WAN and WLAN).=20 All details at: http://www.upperside.fr/ipcn02/baipcn02intro.htm =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C1CB6B.DAE0F680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dwindows-1252" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><SPAN><SPAN class=3Dtitrepapier><SPAN = class=3Dtitrepapier><SPAN=20 class=3Dtitreune><SPAN class=3Dtitreune><FONT color=3D#000000>One of the = most=20 interesting subjects of IPCN 2002 (IP-based Cellular Networks) is the=20 relationship between the licensed 2.5/3G services and 802.11 hotspots. = How can=20 optimal use be made of both environments such that a realistic business = service=20 is possible? </FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><SPAN><SPAN class=3Dtitrepapier><SPAN = class=3Dtitrepapier><SPAN=20 class=3Dtitreune><SPAN class=3Dtitreune>Carriers will bring answers next = April 23-26=20 during the third edition of IPCN (Intersection of <STRONG>Mobile WAN and = WLAN</STRONG>). </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><SPAN><SPAN class=3Dtitrepapier><SPAN = class=3Dtitrepapier><SPAN=20 class=3Dtitreune><SPAN class=3Dtitreune>All details=20 at:</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20 size=3D2><SPAN><STRONG><BR></STRONG><A=20 href=3D"http://www.upperside.fr/ipcn02/baipcn02intro.htm">http://www.uppe= rside.fr/ipcn02/baipcn02intro.htm</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT = size=3D2><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C1CB6B.DAE0F680-- From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Thu Mar 14 17:09:39 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA02594 for <pilc-archive@odin.ietf.org>; 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please see comments below on Link -09. I find the text mostly correct and a significant improvement on previous drafts. Comments are arranged in section order. Best wishes, Gorry Fairhurst ------------ OVERALL TERMINOLOGY! It may be good to replace "packet" with "IP packet" unless you specifically refer to IPv4 or IPv6 - since some subnetworks also call the SNDU a "packet" ;-). BE CAREFUL though in the section on "buffering" since packet refers to either of the two cases!!! "Router" or "Gateway"?????? - Both terms are used. I would suggest "router"? ----------- INTRODUCTION ENGLISH Introduction para 5, after list of 3 points - you start a sentence with "But", consider rephrasing to remove this. QUERY: "rely" or "benefit significantly from"? In the sentence which follows - does IP QoS and mcast "rely" on these or may it just "benefit" from support? - I'd argue you can multicast with no support, it's just inefficient - and QoS can be done solely with queues - it's just better if the subnet also has a notion of QoS. If this is really so, you may want to add these comments to the later para starting "However". QUERY TERM: "subnetwork?" We have been engaged in a deep and confusing discussion with an IESG member - part of which turned out to originate in loose definitions of terms. I think we *should* define "subnetwork" explicitly in the introduction to avoid such problems. ------------ MTU QUERY TERMS: "Router fragmentation" and "internal fragmentation" para 6 I don't think the term "router fragmentation" is clear. In the ARQ draft, we say "Explicit network layer IP fragmentation" instead of "router fragmentation" - to make sure we do expect transparent link fragmentation to still occur in some subnetworks. Here's our current text to compare with the link draft "internal fragmentation": "To allow for efficient use of the channel, the maximum link frame size may therefore be considerably lower than the maximum IP datagram size expressed in the IP Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU). Each frame will then contain only a fraction of an IP packet and transparent implicit fragmentation of the IP datagram is used [DRAFTKARN01]. A smaller frame size introduces more frame header overhead per payload byte transported." - In this ID, it may be better to use "subnetwork frame". - I haven't come across the term "internal fragmentation" - I guess "Link" or "transparent" fragmentation are more common terms. Is "subnetwork fragmentation" the best term for this ID? Last para of section. "IP fragmentation" --> should be the same terms as you finally choose for "router fragmentation". ------------ Choosing the MTU para 6 starting "A third example..." "internal fragmentation" -> "subnetwork fragmentation" (see above). ------------ Framing Para starting "in AAL5.." This para should be joined to previous. Word "cel" =-> "cell" ------------ Connection-oriented Para 1 - Missing reference for TCP [RFC793]. Para 2 - Are these subnetwork "nodes" or "IP routers"??? - I think the text is talking about the number of IP Routers in a subnetwork, not the number of internal nodes. ------------ Broadcast BEWARE of "point-to-point" and "shared" - that was one of the terms that caused a lot of questions in ARQ. This is *NOT* the same as a point-to-point PPP connection! We now use the term "dedicated link" instead of "point-to-point". ------------ BOD para 1. "Spectrum resources" -> replace by "spectrum resources (i.e., the shared channel that the radio link uses)" ---------- TCP v LINK... ENGLISH" Style becomes very tutorial in this section: Para 2. "For largely historical reasons" - doesn't seem to add anything - delete? "ARQ has been used for many decades..." - delete? "Unlike FEC..." - delete? - replace next "It" by "ARQ". "FEC is also..." - delete? - This section is still probably too long, given we have another ID on the subject - but *I'm* not doing the pruning... --------- Recovery NOTE: IN ARQ we now define "outage" as " outage (i.e. a period during which the link loses all or virtually all frames, until the link is restored)". Suggest you replace "link" by "subnetwork" and insert this at the start. ENGLISH "And" Para 3, sentence starts with "And" - could be rephrased. --------- How TCP works NOTE: This section still reads strange since it come in the middle of the document, well after we have talked about many TCP issues!!! para starting "TCP Assumes" Combine paras 2 and 3 (next). para 9: " A new technique" This has the use of "MUST" etc in the paragraph - no other paragraphs in this ID use this style. - suggest you replace with normal type. ----------- Analysis NOTE: The example seems awkward appearing at the mid-point of the document. Observation 2: "link-layer" -> "subnetwork" "bit error rate" -> "bit error ratio" --- this is WRONG, it is NOT a rate! "PACKET_SIZE" really is a very ***BAD*** term (I said this before). Since we can and often **DO** have transparent link fragmentation, this is not a good way to talk about things in general. You need to EXPLICITLY say that you "consider only the case where one packet is ent per subnetwork frame (i.e. no transparent link fragmentation)". You **SHOULD*** also change PACKET_SIZE to FRAME_SIZE - since this is clearly not just an IP packet!!! This current text is very misleading and seems at first sight to contradict other parts of the document - fixing the terminology will make the real issue clear. --------- QoS para 9 is just one sentence long. - Combine with previous? para 9 : ToS isn't defined - it should be: "Type of Service (ToS) [RFC791]" --------- Delay para 5 is just one sentence long. - Combine with previous? para 5: Starts with "But" - delete the "But". para 11 is just one sentence long. - Combine with previous? --------- Bandwidth Asym para 1, line 6 insert "," after acknowledgements" near end of the line. --------- Buffering para 2 "a complete IP datagram or a subnetwork packet" - terminology problem, suggest: "a complete IP packet, or a subnetwork frame" ---------- From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Sat Mar 16 00:22:25 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA20515 for <pilc-archive@odin.ietf.org>; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:22:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FD5C6A59 for <pilc-archive@odin.ietf.org>; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id AAA27090 for pilc-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA27085 for <pilc@grc.nasa.gov>; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id AAA06876 for <pilc@grc.nasa.gov>; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from lawyers.grc.nasa.gov (d266.as2.clev.oh.voyager.net [216.214.12.141]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F98640EB for <pilc@grc.nasa.gov>; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from lawyers (mallman@localhost) by lawyers.grc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03896; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:54:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200203160454.XAA03896@lawyers.grc.nasa.gov> To: pilc@grc.nasa.gov Cc: "Aaron Falk" <falk@ISI.EDU> From: Mark Allman <mallman@grc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: mallman@grc.nasa.gov Subject: 2.5g/3g comments Organization: BBN Technologies/NASA GRC Song-of-the-Day: Travalin' Band Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:54:40 -0500 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Folks- I have several comments on the TCP over 2.5g/3g I-D -- some small-ish, some more dignificant. I am happy to clarify or iterate (via email or in Minneapolis) if that is useful! allman -- Section 1: * "technology of both" --> "technology for both" Section 2.1: * "large enough window." --> "large enough window of outstanding data." * I don't understand the sentence "For LFNs, it is necessary to utilize the available network bandwidth." Wouldn't the goal be to utilize the available bandwidth in *any* network? * "worsening" --> "reduced" Section 2.2: * I don't understand the bit that says TCP can tolerate the asymmetry without need for congestion control. That seems busted to me. Section 2.6: * I do not understand the second paragraph at all. Why does it matter if the middle of the network changes to TCP? Specifically, why would it matter that window scaling is only negotiated at the beginning of a connection? I am sure I am missing something here, which likely means that you need to put a little more explanation in this paragraph. Section 2.7: * Lots of stuff about the RTO I don't like in this document. You say that the RTO is to closely follow the RTT. I am not sure I agree that this was a specific design goal. I think the RTO's job is to determine when a segment should be retransmitted (in the absence of an ACK). Sure, we use the RTT as the basis. But, we also figure in the jitter. And, in most networks the RTO is way conservative beyond this -- i.e., it does not try to track the RTT all that closely. * "increasing frequency" --> "increasing the frequency" * You note that the RFC 2988 based RTO estimator *reduces* spurious retransmits. What are you comparing it to? (I.e., there is not another standard RTO.) * You note that increasing the RTT sampling can reduce spurious timeouts in BO systems. You should cite something here or remove the statement. * You note that increasing cwnd is one way to avoid spurious RTOs. I don't understand this. When do we increas cwnd. This needs described better (and, a reference given, if possible). Section 3: * I chatted with Aaron about this today and he motivated this section for me as a bunch of information for those not terribly familiar with 2.5g and 3g technologies. So, this section seems fine as an educational tool to me. But, I think the intro should motivate that a little more. Section 4: * In the intro you note that all recommendations are in general purpose stacks and all are "safe". I'd go at it a little differently. I'd say that they are all IETF standards track mechanisms that the community has judged to be safe. Section 4.1: * "The traditional TCP" --> "The TCP" Section 4.2: * I'm sending a comment in a seperate email in hopes of catching Allison's attention. Section 4.3: * "4.2, TCP round trip" --> "4.2, TCP retransmission" * I think the claim that LT is useful when sending small amounts of data might need hedged a little. If we run out of data to send we can send via LT (because LT calls for the sending of previously unsent data). Section 4.6: * "TCP may use" --> "TCP should use" * "[39] semantics." --> "[39]." Section 4.7: * I'd note in the section title that you also need help from the routers in the network. Section 4.8: * First sentence needs a reference. * "one proposed in" --> "one specified in" * I don't like the sentence about reference [44]. First, [44] is old. It may very well make that claim (which is likely from another source, actually). But, more recent expereince has suggested that this is not true. I suggest at least citing the work Vern and I did (SIGCOMM 99) that suggests that *in general networks* timing every RTT buys you little or nothing. It seems fine to me to recommend timing every segment in 2.5g/3g networks if you think that will help and you have references to back up that statement. However, I think your statements are too broad and should be tempered with some references to studies showing the flip side of the argument. * I think [42] is being oversold. My reading of the I-D says that we should always get a bad RTO according to [42]. However, I would guess that is not the claim of [42] -- and if it is, it is wrong and I can find references that show it not to be the case all the time. I am guessing [42] does, indeed, show this behavior for *some* setup. So, the I-D should note that simple NS2 simulations of specific situations can show bad RTOs with no delay spike. And, I would also add the note that this is not general behavior when using an RFC 2988 compliant RTO. (Andrei- beat me up if I am way off here.) From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Sat Mar 16 00:37:38 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA20733 for <pilc-archive@odin.ietf.org>; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:37:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC26C6AAE for <pilc-archive@odin.ietf.org>; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id AAA29185 for pilc-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA29174 for <pilc@grc.nasa.gov>; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id AAA09069 for <pilc@grc.nasa.gov>; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from lawyers.grc.nasa.gov (d266.as2.clev.oh.voyager.net [216.214.12.141]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D73C69DB for <pilc@grc.nasa.gov>; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from lawyers (mallman@localhost) by lawyers.grc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03907; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:00:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200203160500.AAA03907@lawyers.grc.nasa.gov> To: "Allison Mankin" <mankin@ISI.EDU> Cc: pilc@grc.nasa.gov, "Aaron Falk" <falk@ISI.EDU> From: Mark Allman <mallman@grc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: mallman@grc.nasa.gov Subject: section 4.2 of 2.5g/3g Organization: BBN Technologies/NASA GRC Song-of-the-Day: Travalin' Band Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:00:34 -0500 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Folks- I think section 4.2 of the 2.5g/3g document is confusing. And, it is likely because there is a difference between the initial cwnd on standards track and the initial window in experimental documents. I think the language can be cleaned up if RFC 2414.bis is published (as a proposed standard) before this document (so, we can make a concrete recommendation). We (Sally Floyd, Craig Partridge and I) have submitted draft-ietf-tsvwg-initwin-01.txt to the IESG. The document has been last called once and we revised it per some small-ish comments from Allison. I think we (the authors) expect this to go forward to the RFC editor soon. So, Allison- Can you tell us what the status of the initial window I-D is? And, if it is reasonable to edit the 2.5g/3g document to reflect what the new initial window RFC will say (since 2.5g/3g will -- hopefully -- enter the queue after the initial window ID)? Thanks, allman From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Sun Mar 17 19:36:38 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA13860 for <pilc-archive@lists.ietf.org>; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70153C699A for <pilc-archive@lists.ietf.org>; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id TAA17383 for pilc-outgoing; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:25:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA17373 for <pilc@grc.nasa.gov>; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id TAA13351 for <pilc@grc.nasa.gov>; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F15E640B7 for <pilc@grc.nasa.gov>; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from nit.isi.edu (nit.isi.edu [128.9.160.116]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2I0IGt07993; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:18:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from falk@localhost) by nit.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.8.6) id g2I0IGH28628; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:18:16 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:18:15 -0800 From: Aaron Falk <a.falk@ieee.org> To: pilc <pilc@grc.nasa.gov> Cc: Allison Mankin <mankin@ISI.EDU>, Carl Williams <carlw@docomolabs-usa.com>, James Kempf <kempf@docomolabs-usa.com> Subject: Reminder: L2 Triggers Bar-BOF Message-ID: <20020317161815.A28603@isi.edu> Mail-Followup-To: pilc <pilc@grc.nasa.gov>, Allison Mankin <mankin@ISI.EDU>, Carl Williams <carlw@docomolabs-usa.com>, James Kempf <kempf@docomolabs-usa.com> References: <056f01c1c64a$2ace3080$686015ac@docomocarl> <1015870946.2807.33.camel@nit> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1015870946.2807.33.camel@nit>; from falk@ISI.EDU on Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 10:22:26AM -0800 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Reminder of the L2 Triggers bar bof: A L2 triggers pre-BOF will be held at the IETF on Monday nite at 10:00pm. We will meet at 10:00pm in front of the bulletin board near the IETF registration desk and proceed to an empty conference room. Drafts worth reading are: draft-guri-seamoby-paging-triggers-00.txt draft-manyfolks-l2-mobilereq-01.txt (note: there were some typos in the earlier draft names I sent out) --aaron From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Sun Mar 17 22:16:19 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA17178 for <pilc-archive@lists.ietf.org>; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:16:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A2264159 for <pilc-archive@lists.ietf.org>; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id WAA05707 for pilc-outgoing; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA05701; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id WAA07235; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729C0C691A; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from nit.isi.edu (nit.isi.edu [128.9.160.116]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2I343t04827; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from falk@localhost) by nit.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.8.6) id g2I343c29284; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:03 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:03 -0800 From: Aaron Falk <a.falk@ieee.org> To: Mark Allman <mallman@grc.nasa.gov> Cc: PILC IETF working group <pilc@grc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Reminder: L2 Triggers Bar-BOF Message-ID: <20020317190403.A29264@isi.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Mark Allman <mallman@grc.nasa.gov>, PILC IETF working group <pilc@grc.nasa.gov> References: <200203180301.WAA10998@lawyers.grc.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200203180301.WAA10998@lawyers.grc.nasa.gov>; from mallman@grc.nasa.gov on Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 10:01:08PM -0500 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk > > An empty conference room??? And, you put "bar bof" in the subject? BYOB From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Mon Mar 18 08:50:59 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA05351 for <pilc-archive@lists.ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11184C69D4 for <pilc-archive@lists.ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id IAA04915 for pilc-outgoing; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:39:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04894; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:39:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id IAA25932; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:39:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from prue.eim.surrey.ac.uk (prue.eim.surrey.ac.uk [131.227.76.5]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DC7C6941; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from phaestos.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.88.14] ident=eep1lw) by prue.eim.surrey.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #4) id 16mxEC-0002sw-00; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:31:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:31:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Lloyd Wood <l.wood@eim.surrey.ac.uk> X-X-Sender: eep1lw@phaestos.ee.surrey.ac.uk Reply-To: Lloyd Wood <L.Wood@eim.surrey.ac.uk> To: Aaron Falk <a.falk@ieee.org> Cc: Mark Allman <mallman@grc.nasa.gov>, PILC IETF working group <pilc@grc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Reminder: L2 Triggers Bar-BOF In-Reply-To: <20020317190403.A29264@isi.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.43.0203181330220.854-100000@phaestos.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Organization: speaking for none X-url: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/ X-no-archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanner: exiscan *16mxEC-0002sw-00*V.nvoMpCff.* (SECM, UniS) Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, Aaron Falk wrote: > > An empty conference room??? And, you put "bar bof" in the subject? > > BYOB ah, the WG chair's famously dry sense of humour. L. <L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk>PGP<http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/> From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Mon Mar 18 13:52:39 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15270 for <pilc-archive@odin.ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4875D641D4 for <pilc-archive@lists.ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id NAA11845 for pilc-outgoing; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11821 for <pilc@grc.nasa.gov>; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id NAA01300 for <pilc@grc.nasa.gov>; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from letters.cs.ucsb.edu (letters.cs.ucsb.edu [128.111.41.13]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403256410C for <pilc@grc.nasa.gov>; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from blind (blind [128.111.49.140]) by letters.cs.ucsb.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g2IIYXJ20523; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:34:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:34:33 -0800 (PST) From: MobiHoc 2002 <mobihoc@cs.ucsb.edu> X-Sender: mobihoc@blind To: MobiHoc 2002 <mobihoc@cs.ucsb.edu> Subject: MobiHoc 2002: Call for Participation Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0203181030590.24477-100000@blind> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PARTICIPATION MobiHoc 2002 The Third ACM International Symposium on Mobile Ad Hoc Networking and Computing Lausanne, Switzerland June 9-11, 2002 http://www.acm.org/sigmobile/mobihoc/2002/ Sponsored by ACM SIGMOBILE http://www.acm.org/sigmobile/ MobiHoc 2002 is the third of a series of annual meetings sponsored by ACM SIGMOBILE, focusing on the latest research in the rapidly growing area of mobile ad hoc networking and computing. The first MobiHoc was held in 2000 in Boston, Massachusetts, as a workshop affiliated with the MobiCom conference also sponsored by SIGMOBILE. Since then, MobiHoc has become a separate symposium, held in 2001 in Long Beach, California, and now in 2002 in Lausanne, Switzerland. Topics of interest include all areas of mobile and wireless ad hoc networking (above the physical layer), ad hoc computing, and sensor networks. PAPERS: There will be approximately seven technical paper sessions on a wide range of ad hoc networking topics. The list of accepted papers can be found at http://www.acm.org/sigmobile/mobihoc/2002/program.html. Paper topics include routing, sensor networks, scalability, multicast, energy consumption, TCP, and priority scheduling. POSTERS: There will also be a poster session, describing innovative and recent research on ad hoc networks. TUTORIALS: This year there is a new component to MobiHoc: technical tutorials. On June 9th there will be two tutorials. 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D03E.2AE6C0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, Thank you for your comments. Here are answers to your questions related to Section 2.7. --Farid -------------------------------------------------------- >Section 2.7: > > * Lots of stuff about the RTO I don't like in this document. You > say that the RTO is to closely follow the RTT. I am not sure > I agree that this was a specific design goal. I think the RTO's > job is to determine when a segment should be retransmitted (in > the absence of an ACK). Sure, we use the RTT as the basis. > But, we also figure in the jitter. And, in most networks the > RTO is way conservative beyond this -- i.e., it does not try to > track the RTT all that closely. > I agree. I suggest the sentence you are referring to should be changed from It was designed to follow closely the round trip time (RTT), but is known to work poorly when delay variance is high [11]. to It is based on measurements of the round trip delay experienced by previous packets, and is known to work poorly when delay variance is high [11]. > * "increasing frequency" --> "increasing the frequency" > > * You note that the RFC 2988 based RTO estimator *reduces* > spurious retransmits. What are you comparing it to? (I.e., > there is not another standard RTO.) > here we are discussing effects of some of the recommendations of 2988. Specifically, section (2.4) says "Whenever RTO is computed, if it is less than 1 second then the RTO SHOULD be rounded up to 1 second". Some TCP implementations do not follow this recommendation (e.g. Solaris2.8 has min_RTO=400ms). We did performance comparison of Solaris and various other OSs with RTO_min = 1 sec and were reporting our observations. I also found some typos in the paragraph that Mark is referring to. Perhaps it should be re-written as follows "Experiments have shown that RTO algorithm implementations compliant with RFC2988 [32] recommendations (e.g., minimum RTO=1 sec and initial RTO=3 sec) reduce the number of spurious re-transmissions. Although RTO timer management as specified in RFC2988 is not mandatory, restarting the retransmission timer when an ACK is received (section 5.3 of RFC2988) will further reduce (or even eliminate) spurious retransmissions. However, it may not be possible to completely eliminate spurious retransmissions if secondary effects, such as TCP segment loss, are combined with Bandwidth Oscillation." > * You note that increasing the RTT sampling can reduce spurious > timeouts in BO systems. You should cite something here or > remove the statement. > This observation is based on our studies described in [49]. Because of the space constrain we couldn't elaborate on the details and only mentioned the fact. More detailed analysis is available in another paper Mehmet Yavuz and I submitted for publication. Without timestamp, after timer expiration larger RTT samples from narrow-band channel may not be used in RTO calculation (Karn's algorithm). Especially if a new burst is allocated after a relatively short time period. This can force RTO to stay at a low value making it easier for the timer to expire again when the new burst is released. > * You note that increasing cwnd is one way to avoid spurious > RTOs. I don't understand this. When do we increas cwnd. This > needs described better (and, a reference given, if possible). > As above, the detailed description of this with simulation results is in the paper Mehmet and I submitted for publication. Let RTT_high and RTT_low denote RTTs for conditions with high and low bandwidth, respectively. Let RTO_high be the value of RTO at the time when bandwidth suddenly changes from high to low. If the retransmission timer is restarted when ACKs are received (section 5.3 of RFC2988), then conditions for avoiding spurious timeout can be approximated as RTO_high > RTT_low - RTT_high. Increasing CNWD beyond the DBP increases RTO (via increased RTT), while the delta between RTT_low and RTT_high doesn't change much. -------------------------------------------------------- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D03E.2AE6C0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2654.89"> <TITLE>RE: 2.5g/3g comments

    Mark,
    Thank you for your = comments.
    Here are answers to = your questions related to Section 2.7.
    --Farid

--------------------------------------------------------<= /FONT>

      >Section 2.7:
      >
      >  * Lots of stuff about the RTO I don't = like in this document.  You
      >    say that the RTO is to = closely follow the RTT.  I am not sure
      >    I agree that this was a = specific design goal.  I think the RTO's
      >    job is to determine when a = segment should be retransmitted (in
      >    the absence of an = ACK).  Sure, we use the RTT as the basis.
      >    But, we also figure in the = jitter.  And, in most networks the
      >    RTO is way conservative = beyond this -- i.e., it does not try to
      >    track the RTT all that = closely.
      >
      I agree. I suggest = the sentence you are referring to should be changed from

       It was = designed to follow closely the round trip time (RTT), but is known to work poorly when = delay variance is high [11].

      to

       It is based on = measurements of the round trip delay experienced by previous packets, = and is known to = work poorly when delay variance is high [11].

      = * "increasing frequency" --> = "increasing the frequency"
      >
      >  * You note that = the RFC 2988 based RTO estimator *reduces*
      >    spurious = retransmits.  What are you comparing it to?  (I.e.,
      >    there is not another standard = RTO.)
      >
      here we are = discussing effects of some of the recommendations of 2988. = Specifically, section (2.4) says 
      "Whenever RTO = is computed, if it is less than 1 second then the RTO SHOULD be rounded = up to 1 second".
      Some TCP = implementations do not follow this recommendation (e.g. Solaris2.8 has = min_RTO=3D400ms).
      We did performance = comparison of Solaris and various other OSs with RTO_min =3D 1 sec and = were reporting
      our = observations.

      I also found some = typos in the paragraph that Mark is referring to.
      Perhaps it should = be re-written as follows

        = "Experiments have shown that RTO algorithm implementations = compliant
         with = RFC2988 [32] recommendations (e.g., minimum RTO=3D1 sec and initial RTO=3D3 = sec)
         reduce = the number of spurious re-transmissions.  Although RTO = timer
         = management as specified in RFC2988 is not mandatory, restarting = the
         = retransmission timer when an ACK is received (section 5.3 of = RFC2988)
         will = further reduce (or even eliminate) spurious retransmissions.
         = However, it may not be possible to completely eliminate spurious = retransmissions = if secondary
         = effects, such as TCP segment loss, are combined = with Bandwidth
         = Oscillation."

      >  * You note that increasing the RTT = sampling can reduce spurious
      >    timeouts in BO = systems.  You should cite something here or
      >    remove the statement.
      >
      This observation is = based on our studies described in [49].
      Because of the = space constrain we couldn't elaborate on the details and only mentioned = the fact.
      More detailed = analysis is available in another paper Mehmet Yavuz and I submitted for = publication.
      Without timestamp, = after timer expiration larger RTT samples from narrow-band channel may =
      not be used in RTO = calculation (Karn's algorithm). Especially if a new burst
      is allocated after = a relatively short time period. This can force RTO to stay at a low = value making it easier
      for the timer to = expire again when the new burst is released.

      >  * You note that increasing cwnd is one = way to avoid spurious
      >   RTOs.  I don't understand = this.  When do we increas cwnd.  This
      >    needs described better (and, = a reference given, if possible).
      >
      As above, the = detailed description of this with simulation results is in the paper = Mehmet and I submitted for publication.

      Let RTT_high and = RTT_low denote RTTs for conditions with high and low bandwidth, = respectively.
      Let RTO_high be the = value of RTO at the time when bandwidth suddenly changes from high to = low.
      If the = retransmission timer is restarted when ACKs are received (section 5.3 = of
      RFC2988), then = conditions for avoiding spurious timeout can be approximated as
      RTO_high > = RTT_low - RTT_high. Increasing CNWD beyond the DBP increases RTO (via = increased RTT),
      while the delta = between RTT_low and RTT_high doesn't change much.

--------------------------------------------------------<= /FONT>





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From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Thu Mar 21 10:30:55 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA13830 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A306C693B for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id KAA26045 for pilc-outgoing; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:22:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA26016; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id KAA17175; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI [128.214.48.124]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21AD640C3; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from gurtoannb1 (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g2LFMPr07876; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:22:25 +0200 Message-ID: <003b01c1d0ec$2800e0d0$16bb3fa6@gurtoannb1> From: "Andrei Gurtov" To: , Cc: "Aaron Falk" References: <200203160454.XAA03896@lawyers.grc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: 2.5g/3g comments Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:21:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Sorry for delayed reply. Mark's comments: > * I don't understand the sentence "For LFNs, it is necessary to > utilize the available network bandwidth." Wouldn't the goal be > to utilize the available bandwidth in *any* network? True, so let's say in "LFN utilizing the available bandwidth is of particular concern" > Section 2.2: > > * I don't understand the bit that says TCP can tolerate the > asymmetry without need for congestion control. That seems > busted to me. It is. It should be "without need for ACK congestion control or ACK filtering" > Section 2.6: > > * I do not understand the second paragraph at all. Why does it > matter if the middle of the network changes to TCP? > Specifically, why would it matter that window scaling is only > negotiated at the beginning of a connection? I am sure I am > missing something here, which likely means that you need to put > a little more explanation in this paragraph. The idea I had here is that previously people were tuning TCP with some particular network environment in mind. For example on slow gprs link it makes sence to limit the receiver window to 10 KB to avoid overbuffering in the network. This kind of optimizations are no good when TCP connections jumps from one network to another that have completely different characteristics. Maybe window scaling wasn't a good example since TCP connection activated in 3g with scaling can most probably survive later in 2.5g. More research is required here, but I hope to communicate at least the basic idea at this point. So if you agree with this line of thinking, I'll try to rephrase the paragraph. > Section 4.8: > > * First sentence needs a reference. > > * "one proposed in" --> "one specified in" > > * I don't like the sentence about reference [44]. First, [44] is > old. It may very well make that claim (which is likely from > another source, actually). But, more recent expereince has > suggested that this is not true. I suggest at least citing the > work Vern and I did (SIGCOMM 99) that suggests that *in general > networks* timing every RTT buys you little or nothing. It seems > fine to me to recommend timing every segment in 2.5g/3g networks > if you think that will help and you have references to back up > that statement. However, I think your statements are too broad > and should be tempered with some references to studies showing > the flip side of the argument. To me arguments in [44] sound conviencing as it basically says that according to the control theory too rare sampling of the signal leads to aliasing. What about the following compromise? "TCP connections with large windows may benefit from more frequent RTT samples provided with timestamps by adapting quicker to changing network conditions [44]. However, there is some empirical evidence that for TCPs with RFC2899 timer [32] timestamps provide little or no benefits on backbone Internet paths [xxx]." [xxx] M. Allman and V. Paxson, On Estimating End-to-End Network Path Properties, ACM SIGCOMM '99, September 1999, Cambridge, MA. > * I think [42] is being oversold. My reading of the I-D says that > we should always get a bad RTO according to [42]. However, I > would guess that is not the claim of [42] -- and if it is, it is > wrong and I can find references that show it not to be the case > all the time. I am guessing [42] does, indeed, show this > behavior for *some* setup. So, the I-D should note that simple > NS2 simulations of specific situations can show bad RTOs with no > delay spike. And, I would also add the note that this is not > general behavior when using an RFC 2988 compliant RTO. (Andrei- > beat me up if I am way off here.) Well, a tech report in no match to a sigcomm paper, so I think it's appropriate to downgrade the language in this paragraph. However, it already says that on 2.5g3g paths TCP *can* underestimate the RTT, spurious timeouts *can* occur and timestamps *can* help. So do you want these to be "mays"? We can also add a sentence: "The probability of spurious timeouts depends on the RTO computation as well as the policy of restarting the timer. In particular, a conservative timer such as given in [32] makes spurious timeouts less likely." I could also refer to the delay spike draft, but I guess the RFC editor wouldn't like that. 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From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Tue Mar 26 07:31:54 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA00438 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F3BC6974 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id HAA21444 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:22:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA21439 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id HAA09679 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBF3640A2 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA00046; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:22:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200203261222.HAA00046@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: pilc@grc.nasa.gov From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-pilc-link-arq-issues-04.txt Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:22:11 -0500 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Performance Implications of Link Characteristics Working Group of the IETF. Title : Advice to link designers on link Automatic Repeat reQues (ARQ) Author(s) : G. Fairhurst, L. Wood Filename : draft-ietf-pilc-link-arq-issues-04.txt Pages : 25 Date : 25-Mar-02 This document provides advice to the designers of digital communication equipment and link-layer protocols employing link layer Automatic Repeat reQuest (ARQ) techniques. This document presumes that the designers wish to support Internet protocols, but may be unfamiliar with the architecture of the Internet and with the implications of their design choices on the performance and efficiency of Internet traffic carried over their links. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pilc-link-arq-issues-04.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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The changes lay in improved choices of detailed wording of the material that we already had for clarity, while the recommendations of the draft remain unchanged from -03. In particular, the draft now talks more consistently of the physical layer, of the channel, of link outages and frame corruption. Retransmission back-off is also described more precisely (section 1.5), as is fast retransmit and recovery (section 3.1) as needing one original and three dupacks - not just three dupacks. important to stress the existence of the not-yet-duplicated ack. We also added a reference to RFC1981 for IPv6 Path MTU discovery. Other changes were syntactical/grammatical tidyups. cheers, L. 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From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Wed Mar 27 07:23:14 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA24539 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10115640FA for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:22:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id HAA15359 for pilc-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:15:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA15355 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id HAA16052 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F75C6974 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA23863; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:15:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200203271215.HAA23863@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: pilc@grc.nasa.gov From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-pilc-link-arq-issues-04.txt Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:15:16 -0500 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Performance Implications of Link Characteristics Working Group of the IETF. Title : Advice to link designers on link Automatic Repeat reQues (ARQ) Author(s) : G. Fairhurst, L. Wood Filename : draft-ietf-pilc-link-arq-issues-04.txt Pages : 25 Date : 25-Mar-02 This document provides advice to the designers of digital communication equipment and link-layer protocols employing link layer Automatic Repeat reQuest (ARQ) techniques. This document presumes that the designers wish to support Internet protocols, but may be unfamiliar with the architecture of the Internet and with the implications of their design choices on the performance and efficiency of Internet traffic carried over their links. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pilc-link-arq-issues-04.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20020325155928.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pilc-link-arq-issues-04.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-pilc-link-arq-issues-04.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20020325155928.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Wed Mar 27 09:35:52 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (firewall-user@seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA29979 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE09064130 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id JAA18597 for pilc-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17945 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:25:06 -0500 (EST) From: cabo@tzi.org Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id JAA07672 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmh.informatik.uni-bremen.de (nmh.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.3]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154A7640E5 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from CABO-3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (root@nmh.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.3]) by nmh.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2RENSh08177; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:23:31 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: emacs 21.1.1 (via feedmail 8 I) Subject: Call for Freeze: TCP Header Compression Requirements To: rohc@ietf.org, tsvwg@ietf.org, pilc@grc.nasa.gov Cc: end2end-interest@postel.org Reply-To: rohc@ietf.org Date: 27 Mar 2002 15:23:27 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 42 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Dear all, the ROHC WG is currently working on a TCP profile for the ROHC framework. This profile is intended to be the future header compression scheme for TCP, replacing RFC1144 and RFC2507 TCP header compression in the age of SACK, ECN, and other TCP innovations the older header compression schemes do not handle well. Within this process, a requirements document has been produced, and this document has evolved concurrent with the initial profile work. Now, we consider the requirements document ready. Clearly, these requirements need input from a larger community than just the compression people -- we are therefore last-calling the document in the ROHC, PILC and TSVWG working groups. (Since we do not plan to submit this document to the IESG before the profile itself is completed, the last call is referred to as a "call for freeze", but apart from that it has the same meaning as a regular WG last-call.) The document we are "freeze-calling" is: draft-ietf-rohc-tcp-requirements-03.txt (for later publication as Informational) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-rohc-tcp-requirements-03.txt Please direct your comments to the rohc mailing list rohc@ietf.org (with a subject that contains "TCP requirements freeze"), not later than Thu 2002-04-11 23:00 UTC. A companion document that is currently being written to identify the challenges for TCP compression can be found at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-rohc-tcp-field-behavior-00.txt This document might be a useful complement when reading the requirements, and comments on this draft are also very welcome. Gruesse, /Lars-Erik & Carsten PS.: A courtesy copy (in the best sense, I hope) goes to the end2end list because of their TCP background. Please trim the headers when responding. 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