comdoctor119 - 창업이나 업종변경을 준비하고 계십니까?

From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Wed May 1 03:12:05 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA01159 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 03:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC63BC6A0F for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 03:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id DAA27162 for pilc-outgoing; Wed, 1 May 2002 03:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA27133 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 03:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id DAA04142 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 03:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lycos.co.kr (unknown [218.50.201.39]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with SMTP id 94B1C641C3 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 03:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: comdoctorreturn@lycos.co.kr From: ComDoctor119 To: Subject: <廣::告> 역경매로 A/S하시면 가격이 반값으로 떨어집니다. 컴닥터 119 ^^ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 16:01:05 +0900 Message-Id: <20020501070107.94B1C641C3@seraph3.grc.nasa.gov> Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk comdoctor119 - 창업이나 업종변경을 준비하고 계십니까?

귀하의 승락없이 홍보성 전자 우편을 보내게 된 점 정중히 사과 드립니다.
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From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Wed May 1 03:14:29 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA01282 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 03:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EAF5641CD for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 03:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id DAA29039 for pilc-outgoing; Wed, 1 May 2002 03:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA29031 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 03:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id DAA12531 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 03:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lycos.co.kr (unknown [218.147.116.26]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with SMTP id 75E0B641BF for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 03:08:08 -0400 (EDT) To: From: ekorea8898 Subject: [광고]당신은 백만장자의 길을 걸으시겠습니까 ? Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 16:32:12 -0600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" X-Mailer: JBH Msender v 1.0 Message-Id: <20020501070808.75E0B641BF@seraph3.grc.nasa.gov> Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk The Road to Millionaire!!

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From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Wed May 1 05:08:02 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA10924 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 05:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD64C6A14 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 05:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id EAA12809 for pilc-outgoing; Wed, 1 May 2002 04:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA12805 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 04:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id EAA25469 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 04:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [211.54.31.37]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with SMTP id CBFB8C696B for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 04:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: projectbaak@yahoo.co.kr From: 김지은 To: pilc@grc.nasa.gov Subject: [광고] 서상록의 식사예절, 인터넷으로 배우세요. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 17:58:29 +0900 Message-Id: <20020501085823.CBFB8C696B@seraph2.grc.nasa.gov> Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk

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From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Wed May 1 12:23:06 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA06642 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176EE64150 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id MAA28400 for pilc-outgoing; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28393 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id MAA06113 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vhf2.dataradio.com (ns2.dataradio.com [198.168.41.4]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC17C68CA for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tx.dataradio.com (m32.dataradio.com [198.168.39.192]) by vhf2.dataradio.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g41GDQMB058134 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Spooler by tx.dataradio.com (Mercury/32 v3.31) ID MO00002F; 1 May 02 12:11:53 -0400 Received: from spooler by tx.dataradio.com (Mercury/32 v3.31); 1 May 02 12:11:29 -0400 From: "Amin Abdul" Organization: Dataradio Inc., Montreal, Canada To: pilc@grc.nasa.gov Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 12:10:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Congestion vs Channel losses Message-ID: <3CCFDB1A.15349.62F892@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, I have few questions for you regarding optimizing TCP over wireless interface. I go through most of the documents posted on the IPLC working group web site (high speed scan). My first question is: TCP assume channel losses ~zero. Is this assumption is correct. My second question is: Is any working group in IETF or other reseach group addresses congestion vs channel losses issue related to TCP. My third question is: I think ECN addresses the congestion problem not channel losses: Is this assumption is correct. Thanks, Amin. From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Wed May 1 12:53:27 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA08236 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D0E64115 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id MAA06825 for pilc-outgoing; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06815 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id MAA11966 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64405640A3 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nit.isi.edu (nit.isi.edu [128.9.160.116]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g41GiqF18291; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 09:44:52 -0700 From: Aaron Falk To: Amin Abdul Cc: pilc@grc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Congestion vs Channel losses Message-ID: <3950000.1020271492@nit.isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <3CCFDB1A.15349.62F892@localhost> References: <3CCFDB1A.15349.62F892@localhost> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.0 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > My first question is: TCP assume channel losses ~zero. > Is this assumption is correct. No. Suggest you read RFC 3155 "End-to-end Performance Implications of Links with Errors." You can find it at ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc3155.txt. > > My second question is: Is any working group in IETF or other reseach > group addresses congestion vs channel losses issue related to TCP. > This is part of the PILC working group charter. You can read it at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/pilc-charter.html. > My third question is: I think ECN addresses the congestion > problem not channel losses: Is this assumption is correct. > Yes. Because you can never know that all routers in your path are ECN capable and, even then, ECN capable routers throw away packets under high levels of congestion. So, you can never be sure that lost packets are due to channel corruption. The folks at NASA and BBN have been looking at explicit corruption notification as a research activity. I saw an email recently pointing to a report at http://wizards.ir.bbn.com/projects/pace/eten/. Bear in mind that this is not an IETF activity. Hope this helps, --aaron > Thanks, > Amin. 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진정한 시간적 경제적 자유를 얻고싶으시면 꼭 아래글 읽어 주십시요.
최초 50,000원으로 네트워크 사업을 하실 수 있습니다.

( 최초 가입비 월 5만원 월유지비 4만원 )

*네트웍 사업의 비전은

1.중간 유통을 없앴으므로 시중가에 비해 제품 값이 싸야 하고,
2.제품의 질이 좋아야하고,
3.피해의 소지가 없어야하고,
4.사업진행이 꾸준히 이어갈 수 있어야 합니다.

우리나라에도 위와같은 네트웍회사가 서서히 생겨나고 있는데, 이회사는
위에 설명한 모든 조건을 갖추고 극 초기로 레그(LEG)작업 중에 있습니다

* 4월30일경 정식 오픈

다른 네트웍의 비싼 상품과는 달리 오히려 시중가격보다(할인점등)도 10%이상이 싸고 영양도 좋은 잡곡을 그저 사먹기만 하는 소비자만 있어도 수익이 되는 놀라운 사업입니다.

* 잡곡과 출시예정제품
잡곡은 1.5kg 17가지 혼합곡 우슬미 와
2.0kg 14가지 혼합곡 장수미가 있습니다.
가격은 두가지다 12500원입니다. 회원은 만원입니다.
그리고 4포 이상부터는 8000원에 구입할수 있습니다

출시예정제품: 혼합곡, 감식초, 배즙, 머루즙, 세탁세제
미숫가루, 목초액, 유기농쌀, 김, 채소류, 해초류, 수산물등
여러분이 가정에서 누구나 사용하는 제품이 주를이루게 되며
순차적으로 출시할 예정입니다.
타 네트웍에서 볼수있는 피해사례를 극소화 될것입니다.

* 수당 시스템 *

5x7매트릭스 스필오버시스템으로 본인 밑에 5명밖에 둘 수 없으므로 자동으로 아래로 내려가는 시스템이라 조금만 노력하면 누구나 다운이 생겨날 수밖에 없는 시스템이며,유지수당, 추천수당이 있습니다.

* 추천수당
두레사업자와 일반사업자가 있는데 두레사업자만 수입예시를 하겠습니다.

* 자기가 5명을 추천하고 밑으로 4단계를 완성했을때 *

   1단계 : 5명 x 만원 = 5만원
   2단계 : 25명 x 9천원 = 22만5천원, 누계:27만5천원
   3단계 : 125명 x 9천원 = 112만5천원, 누계:140만원
   4단계 : 625명 x 이천원 = 125만원 -------- 합계 :265만원이 됩니다.

* 자세한 정보는 홈페이지 보상플랜 참조 *

* 유지수당

   1단계 : 5명 x 5% = 1만원
   2단계 : 25명 x 5% = 5만원, 누계:6만원
   3단계 : 125명 x 6% = 30만원, 누계:36만원
   4단계 : 625명 x 6% = 150만원, 누계:186만원
   5단계 : 3125명 x 4% = 500만원, 누계:686만원
   6단계 : 15625명 x 2% = 1250만원, 누계:1936만원
   7단계 : 78125명 x 1.5% = 4680만원, 누계:6616만원

합계 : 6616만원 입니다.

1명 추천시 4단계, 2명 추천시 5단계, 4명 추천시 6단계, 6명 추천시 7단계, 8명 8단계 (0.5%공유) 하게 됩니다.

5년 이내로 20만 보고 있습니다.

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만약 당신이 이런 생각을 가지고 있다면, 생각을 바꾸어야 합니다.
그 사람들은 자신이 좋아하지 않는일을 해야만 돈을 받는다는 고정관념이 있는 것입니다.

[즐기는 놈 한테는 못당한다] 라는 말이 있습니다.
진정한 성공이란 자신이 즐겁게 할 수 있는 일을 해야만 가능한 것입니다.
어떻게 좋아하지 않는 일을 하면서 성공할수 있는가 말입니다.
즐거워서 일하는 사람하고 의무적으로 일하는 사람하고의 경쟁력은 조금만 시간이 지나면 확연하게 나타나는 것입니다.

처음에는 그일로 생계를 해결할수 없는 것처럼 보이더라도, 또는 다른 경쟁자에 비해서 돈을 적게 받는다고 하여도 걱정하지 마십시요.
처음부터 돈을 많이 벌수 있는 것은 아닙니다.
당신은 자신이 좋아하는 일을 하면서 돈을 벌수있다는 믿음만 생겨도 큰 소득인 것입니다.
당신이 이일을 통해 충분히 보상을 받게 될 때가 반드시 올 것입니다.
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백만장자클럽은 부자가 되고 싶은 열정을 가진 사람들을 위한 커뮤티니입니다.
백만장자클럽은 부자가 될 수 있는 정보를 제공하고, 이 정보를 활용해서 마치 게임을 하듯 누구나 직접 자신의 사업체를 경영해 볼 수 있도록 실습기회를 제공하며, 잘 하면 정말로 부자가 될 수 있는 기회를 제공하고 있습니다.

단 한번뿐인 인생, 경제적인 자유를 향해 자신의 열정을 힘차게 행동으로 옮겨 보시지 않겠습니까?

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Based on the initial success of Dubai in 1994, ICT has been held yearly in Bali (1995), Istanbul (1996), Melbourne (1997), Chalkidiki (1998), Taejon (1999), Acapulco (2000), Bucharest (2001) and Beijing (2002). Many scientists, students, professionals and technical staffs, representing a large variety of organizations such as universities, research institutes, telecommunication operators and industry have attained each previous ICT events. The 10th edition of ICT will be held in Tahiti, Papeete, French Polynesia. ICT 2003 will offer tutorials, plenary sessions, poster sessions, panels and exhibition opportunities. ICT 2003 will cover a variety of challenging telecommunication topics ranging from background fields like signals, traffic, coding, communication basics up to large communication systems and networks, fixed, mobile and integrated, etc. Applications, services, system and network management issues will also receive significant attention. TOPICS OF SPECIAL INTEREST The topics include, but are not limited to: A Information Theory and Coding Theory A.1 Communication Theory A.2 Information Security A.3 Multimedia Information A.4 Network Reliability A.5 Signal Processing A.6 Modulation B Optical Communications B.1 Designing and Management of Optical Networks B.2 Optical Fiber Technology B.3 Optical Switching and Optical Interconnection B.4 Optical Photonic Technologies B.5 Optoelectronic Components B.6 Transmission System and Optical Networking C Networking Theory and Technologies C.1 Broadband Communications and Networks C.2 Computer Communications and Networks C.3 Internet and Intranet C.4 Mobile IP, VoIP C.5 Network Security C.6 Next Generation Network Architectures C.7 Programmable, Active Networks and Mobile Agents C.8 Protocol, Standards and Communication Architectures C.9 Switching and Routing C.10 System and Network Performance and QoS C.11 Traffic Engineering (MPLS, DiffServ, IntServ, =85) D Telecommunication/Network Management and Services D.1 Broadband Access Network and Service D.2 IP Service and Multimedia Service D.3 Mobile Data Service D.4 Network Planning and Optimization D.5 Telecommunication Network Interconnection Issues D.6 Telecommunication Pricing and Billing D.7 Telecommunication Regulation and Deregulation D.8 Traffic Management, Traffic Control, Real-Time Traffic and Quality of Service D.9 3G and 4G Mobile Communication Service. E Wireless Communications E.1 Antennas, Propagation and Transmission Technologies E.2 Broadband Wireless E.3 Evolution from 2G to 2.5G, 3G and Beyond E.4 Microwave Devices, Circuits and Systems E.5 Personal Communications E.6 Satellite and Space Communications E.7 Terrestrial Radio Systems E.8 Mobility (IEEE 802.11 engineering, smarts devices) E.9 Wireless Multimedia, Networks and Systems E.10 Wireless IP and Wireless ATM E.11 Cellular and Ad-Hoc Networks G Metro/Access Networks G1 Future Proofing Access Topologies and Architectures G2 xDSL, HFC, Gbit/s Ethernet, FTTH G3 DWDM in Metro. Access G4 New Broadband Access Technologies G5 Interface and its Development G6 Residential Zone and its Future G7 Co-operation between Metro Transport and Access G8 Wireless Access (WPAN, WLAN, WLL) G.9 Standardization (IEEE 802.15, IEEE 802.16) F Communication Softwares F.1 Intelligent Network Theory, Technologies and System F.2 Object and Component Technologies in Telecommunication Software F.3 Network Management Theory F.4 Network Operations and Management F.5 Telecommunication Protocol Engineering F.6 Telecommunication Software Tools H Others H.1 EMC in Communications H.2 Standardization (IEEE 802.17, Policies models,=85) H.3 Wireless over Optical H.4 Multicast H.5. Mobility Management H.6 Security H.7 Others These topics can be discussed in term of concepts, state of the art, standards, implementations, running experiments and applications. INSTRUCTIONS FOR AUTHORS Participants are kindly invited to submit original papers addressing the topics in the area of telecommunications and networking for presentation and publication in the conference proceedings. While the submission version may vary in length, the final version must be of maximum six pages long, should be printed on ISO A4 white papers, written in English in two-column format in times or a similar font, 10 points with 2.5 cm margins on all four sides. Subject of reasonable additional printing fees per page, longer papers will be accepted for publication. Reception of the papers will be acknowledged by electronic or postal mail. ICT 2003 Program Committee members and their teams will carefully review each paper. The deadline for submission is September 10, 2002. Each submission must be accompanied by a letter that includes the following information: full title of the paper, technical area, author(s) details (name, postal and email addresses, telephone and fax number) and contact author. Two hard copies must be sent to the following address: Pascal LORENZ University of Haute Alsace IUT 34 rue du Grillenbreit 68008 Colmar, France Phone: 33 (0)603658042 - Fax: 33 (0)389202359 E-mail: lorenz@ieee.org A selection of outstanding papers is considered for a special issue of an International Journal. Check our Web page at http://conf.uha.fr/ICT2003.html for the latest information concerning the conference. TUTORIALS AND WORKSHOPS Tutorials and workshops provide overviews of current high interest topics. Proposals for half of full day tutorials are due by September 10, 2002. EXHIBITION PROPOSAL Companies are invited to exhibit their software and hardware products. We provide a large promotion opportunity and a variety of ways for achieving= it. PANELS PROPOSAL ICT 2003 organizers encourage scientists and industry leaders to organize dedicated panels dealing with controversial and challenging topics and paradigms. Panel moderators are asked to identify their guests and manage that their appropriate talk supports timely reach our deadlines. Moderators must specifically submit an official proposal, indicating their background, panelist names, their affiliation, the topic of the panel, as well as short biographies. INTERNATIONAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE Alan Marshall, The Queen's University of Belfast, UK Alessandro Barbagli, European Commission- DG Information Society, Belgium Antonella Molinaro, University of Messina, Italy Dae Young KIM, Chungnam National University, Korea Dssouli Rachida, Concordia University, Canada Fabrizio Sestini, European Commission DG Information Society, Belgium Farokh Marvasti, King's College London, UK George S. Tombras, University of Athens, Greece Guy Omidyar, Institute for Communications Research, Singapore Guy Pujolle, LIP6, France Hamid Aghvami, King's College, London, UK Hyun-Kook Kahng, Korea University, Korea Luis M Correia, Technical University of Lisbon, Portugal Maciej Stasiak, Poznan University of Technology, Poland Martin Haardt, Ilmenau University of Technology, Germany Michel Barbeau, Carleton University, Canada Nikolai Nefedov, Nokia Research Center, Finland Pascal Lorenz, University of Haute Alsace, France Petre Dini, Cisco Co., USA Said Soulhi, Ericsson Research Canada Tal Lavian, Nortel Networks Labs. USA Toshio Ihara, Communications Research Laboratory, Toyko, Japan Tulin Atmaca, Institute National des Telecomunications, France Wang Wenbo, Beijing University of Posts and Telecommunications, China Wojciech Kabacinski, Poznan University of Technology, Poland Zoubir Mammeri, IRIT, France Yoshitaka Takasaki, Tokyo University, Japan IMPORTANT DATES Submission due: September 10, 2002 Notification of acceptance: October 10, 2002 Deadline for full-length camera-ready manuscript: November 10, 2002 --=====================_579281442==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We apologize if you receive multiple copies of this CfP
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Call For Papers

International Conference on Telecommunications
ICT'2003
February 24-28, 2003 Tahiti, Papeete =AD French Polynesia

http://conf.uha.fr/ICT2003.html

GENERAL INFORMATION

ICT was firstly initiated by King's College, London (UK) and is receiving
the support of Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineering (IEEE)
and Institute of Electrical Engineering (IEE). Based on the initial success
of Dubai in 1994, ICT has been held yearly in Bali (1995), Istanbul (1996),
Melbourne (1997), Chalkidiki (1998), Taejon (1999), Acapulco (2000),
Bucharest (2001) and Beijing (2002). Many scientists, students,
professionals and technical staffs, representing a large variety of=20
organizations such as universities, research institutes, telecommunication
operators and industry have attained each previous ICT events. The 10th
edition of ICT will be held in Tahiti, Papeete, French Polynesia. ICT 2003
will offer tutorials, plenary sessions, poster sessions, panels and=20
exhibition opportunities.
ICT 2003 will cover a variety of challenging telecommunication topics
ranging from background fields like signals, traffic, coding, communication
basics up to large communication systems and networks, fixed, mobile and
integrated, etc. Applications, services, system and network management
issues will also receive significant attention.

TOPICS OF SPECIAL INTEREST

The topics include, but are not limited to:
A Information Theory and Coding Theory
A.1 Communication Theory
A.2 Information Security
A.3 Multimedia Information
A.4 Network Reliability
A.5 Signal Processing
A.6 Modulation
B Optical Communications
B.1 Designing and Management of Optical Networks
B.2 Optical Fiber Technology
B.3 Optical Switching and Optical Interconnection
B.4 Optical Photonic Technologies
B.5 Optoelectronic Components
B.6 Transmission System and Optical Networking
C Networking Theory and Technologies
C.1 Broadband Communications and Networks
C.2 Computer Communications and Networks
C.3 Internet and Intranet
C.4 Mobile IP, VoIP
C.5 Network Security
C.6 Next Generation Network Architectures
C.7 Programmable, Active Networks and Mobile Agents
C.8 Protocol, Standards and Communication Architectures
C.9 Switching and Routing
C.10 System and Network Performance and QoS
C.11 Traffic Engineering (MPLS, DiffServ, IntServ, =85)
D Telecommunication/Network Management and Services
D.1 Broadband Access Network and Service
D.2 IP Service and Multimedia Service
D.3 Mobile Data Service
D.4 Network Planning and Optimization
D.5 Telecommunication Network Interconnection Issues
D.6 Telecommunication Pricing and Billing
D.7 Telecommunication Regulation and Deregulation
D.8 Traffic Management, Traffic Control, Real-Time Traffic and Quality of
Service
D.9 3G and 4G Mobile Communication Service.
E Wireless Communications
E.1 Antennas, Propagation and Transmission Technologies
E.2 Broadband Wireless
E.3 Evolution from 2G to 2.5G, 3G and Beyond
E.4 Microwave Devices, Circuits and Systems
E.5 Personal Communications
E.6 Satellite and Space Communications
E.7 Terrestrial Radio Systems
E.8 Mobility (IEEE 802.11 engineering, smarts devices)
E.9 Wireless Multimedia, Networks and Systems
E.10 Wireless IP and Wireless ATM
E.11 Cellular and Ad-Hoc Networks
G Metro/Access Networks
G1 Future Proofing Access Topologies and Architectures
G2 xDSL, HFC, Gbit/s Ethernet, FTTH
G3 DWDM in Metro. Access
G4 New Broadband Access Technologies
G5 Interface and its Development
G6 Residential Zone and its Future
G7 Co-operation between Metro Transport and Access
G8 Wireless Access (WPAN, WLAN, WLL)
G.9 Standardization (IEEE 802.15, IEEE 802.16)
F Communication Softwares
F.1 Intelligent Network Theory, Technologies and System
F.2 Object and Component Technologies in Telecommunication Software=20
F.3 Network Management Theory
F.4 Network Operations and Management
F.5 Telecommunication Protocol Engineering
F.6 Telecommunication Software Tools
H Others
H.1 EMC in Communications
H.2 Standardization (IEEE 802.17, Policies models,=85)
H.3 Wireless over Optical
H.4 Multicast
H.5. Mobility Management
H.6 Security
H.7 Others

These topics can be discussed in term of concepts, state of the art,
standards, implementations, running experiments and applications.

INSTRUCTIONS FOR AUTHORS

Participants are kindly invited to submit original papers addressing the
topics in the area of telecommunications and networking for presentation
and publication in the conference proceedings. While the submission version
may vary in length, the final version must be of maximum six pages long,
should be printed on ISO A4 white papers, written in English in two-column
format in times or a similar font, 10 points with 2.5 cm margins on all
four sides. Subject of reasonable additional printing fees per page, longer
papers will be accepted for publication. Reception of the papers will be
acknowledged by electronic or postal mail. ICT 2003 Program Committee
members and their teams will carefully review each paper. The deadline for
submission is September 10, 2002.
Each submission must be accompanied by a letter that includes the following
information: full title of the paper, technical area, author(s) details
(name, postal and email addresses, telephone and fax number) and contact
author. Two hard copies must be sent to the following address:
Pascal LORENZ
University of Haute Alsace
IUT
34 rue du Grillenbreit
68008 Colmar, France
Phone: 33 (0)603658042 - Fax: 33 (0)389202359
E-mail: lorenz@ieee.org
A selection of outstanding papers is considered for a special issue of an
International Journal.

Check our Web page at http://conf.uha.fr/ICT2003.html for the latest
information concerning the conference.

TUTORIALS AND WORKSHOPS

Tutorials and workshops provide overviews of current high interest topics.=
Proposals for half of full day tutorials are due by September 10, 2002.

EXHIBITION PROPOSAL

Companies are invited to exhibit their software and hardware products. We=
provide a large promotion opportunity and a variety of ways for achieving= it.

PANELS PROPOSAL

ICT 2003 organizers encourage scientists and industry leaders to organize=
dedicated panels dealing with controversial and challenging topics and
paradigms. Panel moderators are asked to identify their guests and manage=
that their appropriate talk supports timely reach our deadlines. Moderators=
must specifically submit an official proposal, indicating their background,=
panelist names, their affiliation, the topic of the panel, as well as short=
biographies.

INTERNATIONAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Alan Marshall, The Queen's University of Belfast, UK
Alessandro Barbagli, European Commission- DG Information Society, Belgium=
Antonella Molinaro, University of Messina, Italy
Dae Young KIM, Chungnam National University, Korea
Dssouli Rachida, Concordia University, Canada
Fabrizio Sestini, European Commission DG Information Society, Belgium
Farokh Marvasti, King's College London, UK
George S. Tombras, University of Athens, Greece
Guy Omidyar, Institute for Communications Research, Singapore
Guy Pujolle, LIP6, France
Hamid Aghvami, King's College, London, UK
Hyun-Kook Kahng, Korea University, Korea
Luis M Correia, Technical University of Lisbon, Portugal
Maciej Stasiak, Poznan University of Technology, Poland
Martin Haardt, Ilmenau University of Technology, Germany
Michel Barbeau, Carleton University, Canada
Nikolai Nefedov, Nokia Research Center, Finland
Pascal Lorenz, University of Haute Alsace, France
Petre Dini, Cisco Co., USA
Said Soulhi, Ericsson Research Canada
Tal Lavian, Nortel Networks Labs. USA
Toshio Ihara, Communications Research Laboratory, Toyko, Japan
Tulin Atmaca, Institute National des Telecomunications, France
Wang Wenbo, Beijing University of Posts and Telecommunications, China
Wojciech Kabacinski, Poznan University of Technology, Poland
Zoubir Mammeri, IRIT, France
Yoshitaka Takasaki, Tokyo University, Japan

IMPORTANT DATES
Submission due: September 10, 2002
Notification of acceptance: October 10, 2002
Deadline for full-length camera-ready manuscript: November 10, 2002
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본 메일은 정통부 법률에 의거한 광고성 메일이며,

먼저 허락없이 메일을 보낸것에대해 사과말씀 드립니다.
저희는 귀하의 이메일 주소외에는 어떤 정보도 가지고 있지 않습니다.
원치않으시면 아래 수신거부를 눌러주시면 됩니다. ^^

제가 아는 한 작가는 한 폭의 수채화를 보는 듯 글을 잘 씁니다.
특히, 그의 소설을 읽을 때 마다 글쓰는 이가 여자가 아닌가 착각할 정도로 섬세하게
써 내려가는 필체 속에 상당히 매혹되곤 합니다.
이와 같이, 글이나 음악 및 미술 등의 예술작품을 보호받으려는 것(저작;권리 유지기간
(존속기간이라고 부름)은 사후 50년간)을 보호받도록 해주는 것이 저작권의 목적 중 하나입니다.
이 권리는 문화관광부의 저작권과에서 관장을 하지요.

한편, 이 작가는 드라이브를 즐기는 데, 평시에는 차분하고 이성적으로 대화를 하다가,
이상하게 핸들만 잡았다하면 이성을 잃고, 운전을 하게 됩니다.
경춘가도의 시원한 풍경을 보면서 달리는 기분을 아시겠지요. 그 옆에 타고 있던
여자 친구는 그의 소설과 평소의 행동으로 보아서 설마하며 차를 탔다가 미친 듯이 차를
모는 그를 보고 참 묘한 기분이 들곤 하였습니다.
실컷 드라이브 하고 나서 남한강을 바라보며 차를 마시고 나서 여자 친구는 그렇게 차를
몰다가 사고라도 나면 어떻게 하냐고 조용히 물어 보았습니다.
그러자, 이 작가는 내가 평상시 타고 다니는 차는 쌍용(상표; 좀 더 구분하여 서비스표)
의 렉스턴(상표; 존속기간은 출원일로 부터 등록후 10년씩 반영구적 기간)이지만,
시외로 드라이브할 때는 역시 현대(서비스표)의 투스카니(상표)가 제격이라면서,
특히, ABS브레이크 기술과 변속기에 대한 기술(특허; 존속기간은 등록후 출원일로부터 20년간입니다.)
이 좋은 차량을 타면 안전에 지장을 초래하지 않는다고 말하였습니다.
그의 말대로 차량의 내부를 보면 컵홀더나 의자의 높낮이 조절 장치(실용신안; 주변기술; 존속기간
은 등록후 출원일로부터 10년간입니다.) 등에서 특허는 이제 우리생활 자체임을 알 수 있었습니다.

그의 전방램프의 형상(의장)은 표범의 눈처럼 번들거렸고, 의자의 형상(의장; 존속기간은 등록일로
부터 15년간입니다.)은 쇼파에 앉은 듯 편안하게 감싸주었습니다. 이와 같이, 특허(출원한 후
등록받기 까지는 약 21개월 내외로 걸립니다.), 실용신안(출원한 후 등록받기 까지는 약 5개월
내외로 걸립니다.), 상표(출원한 후 등록받기 까지는 12개월 내외 정도 걸립니다.),
의장(출원한 후 등록받기 까지는 약 12개월 내외 정도 걸립니다.)에 대한 권리는 특허청에서
관장하지요.

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From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Fri May 3 12:26:27 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA18620 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 12:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D43C6953 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 12:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id MAA20269 for pilc-outgoing; Fri, 3 May 2002 12:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20254 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 12:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id MAA19854 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 12:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [136.182.1.10]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE89C6953 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 12:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: [from pobox2.mot.com (pobox2.mot.com [136.182.15.8]) by motgate2.mot.com (motgate2 2.1) with ESMTP id JAA13784 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 09:17:51 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from noah.dma.isg.mot.com (noah.dma.isg.mot.com [150.21.2.29]) by pobox2.mot.com (MOT-pobox2 2.0) with ESMTP id JAA16623 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 09:17:50 -0700 (MST)] Received: from dma.isg.mot.com (ma07-0056.dma.isg.mot.com [150.21.30.201]) by noah.dma.isg.mot.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03730 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 12:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CD2B82C.27129C4@dma.isg.mot.com> Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 12:17:49 -0400 From: Dan Grossman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pilc@grc.nasa.gov Subject: Abuse of this mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I generally don't like to whine about these things, but a significant amount of the garbage that appears in my inbox these days comes through this list. With due respect and appreciation to the volunteer list admin, can the list either be modified to follow the IESG's mailing list policies: http://www.ietf.org/IESG/STATEMENTS/mail-submit-policy.txt or can the WG chairs take steps to move the list to an IETF server that will follow these policies? Thanks Dan From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Fri May 3 12:42:55 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA19010 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 12:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE808C698D for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 12:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id MAA24571 for pilc-outgoing; Fri, 3 May 2002 12:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24567 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 12:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id MAA22676 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 12:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [211.187.12.88]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with SMTP id D1764C6970 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 12:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: jhoonbae@dreamwiz.com From: 배종훈 To: pilc@grc.nasa.gov Subject: [광고]카다로그 배포후 출원 무효? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 01:35:42 +0900 Message-Id: <20020503163409.D1764C6970@seraph2.grc.nasa.gov> Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk

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From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Mon May 6 07:36:27 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA13354 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19672C69B2 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id HAA06354 for pilc-outgoing; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA06348 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id HAA07882 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1388C68F7 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA12927; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205061125.HAA12927@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: pilc@grc.nasa.gov From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-pilc-link-design-10.txt Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 07:25:38 -0400 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was asked by someone how big a frame size can a CRC-32 reasonably protect? One of my students came across: http://sd.wareonearth.com/~phil/jumbo.html which seems to suggest that the CRC-32 is good for 10-12KB or so of data, and that this could be one reason why we don't see many subnetworks supporting MTUs > 12KB. Is there more wisdom out there on the use of CRCs over large subnetwork PDUs? - perhaps the ATM or gigEthernet people have thought this one through? Gorry Fairhurst. From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Mon May 6 12:49:14 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA26634 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D3764156 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id MAA11897 for pilc-outgoing; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11893 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id MAA08169 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lycos.co.kr (unknown [211.177.233.118]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with SMTP id C8426C695D for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: yjm1068@lycos.co.kr From: star21 To: Subject: [광고]인터넷 비즈니스....... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 01:43:56 +0900 Message-Id: <20020506164144.C8426C695D@seraph2.grc.nasa.gov> Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk

안녕하세요.

저희 백만장자클럽에 당신을 초청합니다.

우리 백만장자클럽은 백만장자가 되고자 하는 꿈이 있는 사람들이

힘을 합쳐서 정보와 노하우를 공유하여 서로 도와가며,

그 꿈을 이루어 가는 곳 입니다.

우리 백만장자클럽에서는 단순히 이론적인 정보만을 제공하진 않습니다.

우리 백만장자클럽의 뛰어난 점은 백만장자가 될 수 있는

실질적인 방법을 제공한다는 것입니다.

진정으로 백만장자가 되고 싶으신 분만 오십시요.

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백만장자 클럽의 메뉴들은 무료 회원 가입을 통해서 접하실수 있습니다.
회원에 가입하시는 분들에게 백만장자 클럽은 백만장자가 되기 위해서
필요한 유용한 정보, 방법, 상품등을 검증하는 즉시 알려드릴 것을 약속드리겠습니다.
백만장자 클럽은 회원 모든 분들과 백만장자가 되기 위해서 노력을 아끼지 않겠습니다.

백만장자클럽 바로가기
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From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Mon May 6 13:33:29 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28922 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68520640C0 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id NAA27071 for pilc-outgoing; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from guns.lerc.nasa.gov (guns.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.87.35]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27055; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from guns.lerc.nasa.gov (localhost.lerc.nasa.gov [127.0.0.1]) by guns.lerc.nasa.gov with ESMTP (NASA LeRC 8.7.4.1/2.01-local) id NAA27086; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205061726.NAA27086@guns.lerc.nasa.gov> To: pilc@grc.nasa.gov Cc: "Aaron Falk" From: Mark Allman Reply-To: mallman@grc.nasa.gov Subject: LINK rev -11 Organization: BBN Technologies/NASA GRC Song-of-the-Day: Crazy Little Thing Called Love Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 13:26:28 -0400 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Folks- I have just sent out rev -11 of LINK. It should appear in the I-D archives soon. Until then you can slurp a copy of the I-D from: http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~mallman/share/link/ The last few revs are there for your diffing pleasure. Also, note that I sent out a rev last week (-10). Ignore that. I forgot to roll in some small comments that Reiner sent -- luckily he caught the oversight. My understanding is that this version of the draft will be forwarded to the IESG soon. Enjoy! allman -- Mark Allman -- BBN/NASA GRC -- http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~mallman/ From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Mon May 6 14:02:43 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA00008 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 14:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E40C69BE for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 14:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id NAA06834 for pilc-outgoing; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06828 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id NAA24131 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prue.eim.surrey.ac.uk (prue.eim.surrey.ac.uk [131.227.76.5]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06F06409A for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from artemis.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.88.18] ident=eep1lw) by prue.eim.surrey.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #4) id 174mhe-0002ir-00; Mon, 06 May 2002 18:55:14 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:55:13 +0100 (BST) From: Lloyd Wood X-X-Sender: eep1lw@artemis.ee.surrey.ac.uk Reply-To: Lloyd Wood To: Dr G Fairhurst Cc: pilc@grc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: How many bytes should a CRC-32 protect? In-Reply-To: <3CD69C2D.DB48787D@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Message-ID: Organization: speaking for none X-url: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/ X-no-archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanner: exiscan *174mhe-0002ir-00*2KfidSo6Dz6* (SECM, UniS) Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk On Mon, 6 May 2002, Dr G Fairhurst wrote: > I was asked by someone how big a frame size can a CRC-32 reasonably protect? > > One of my students came across: > > http://sd.wareonearth.com/~phil/jumbo.html > > which seems to suggest that the CRC-32 is good for 10-12KB or so of > data, and that this could be one reason why we don't see many > subnetworks supporting MTUs > 12KB. well, much of the Internet core is typically up to around 9K mtu size at the moment (SMDS IP mtu is 9180 bytes [RFC1209] and this was adopted for AAL5 [RFC1626]). So why did the SMDS switching/bellcore gang pick 9KB - 36B = 9188 - 8 bytes SNAP/LLC for their environment? Core IP mtu size should imo be encouraged to grow gradually over time, if only due to the tunnelling complexities of multiple recursive (repeating-layer) encapsulations travelling through it - multiple layers of vlans, vpns etc. If you're deploying a new network technology, you'd want the same MTU size (i.e. existing fragmentation logic already knows what to expect) or bigger to handle recursive encap overhead. [imo allowing larger TCP initial windows decreases the evolutionary pressure on increasing subnet frame and mtu size for performance. The TCP arithmetic checksum is weaker than a CRC-32 - how large a TCP segment can you safely (as opposed to reliably...) send e2e, anyway?] L. > Is there more wisdom out there on the use of CRCs over large subnetwork PDUs? > - perhaps the ATM or gigEthernet people have thought this one through? > > > Gorry Fairhurst. > PGP From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Mon May 6 14:59:35 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03030 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 14:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D09640D9 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 14:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id OAA25154 for pilc-outgoing; Mon, 6 May 2002 14:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25144 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 14:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id OAA05602 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 14:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yahoo.co.kr (unknown [61.73.0.79]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with SMTP id 555E66409A for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 14:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: vbgh55khj@yahoo.co.kr From: 홍보광고 To: Subject: [광고] 성인영화 상영관입니다 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 03:51:11 +0900 Message-Id: <20020506185202.555E66409A@seraph3.grc.nasa.gov> Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk 신선한 성인영화관을 소개합니다

신선한 성인영화관을 소개합니다

기존 성인영화관에 식상하신분들을 위해 신선하고 새로운 성인영화관을 소개합니다.

요즘은 어느 성인영화관을 가더라도 모두 비슷한 영화를 상영하고 있습니다
그래서 볼 만한 영화가 거의 없습니다
볼 만한 성인영화를 원하시는 분은 이제 주저없이 밑의 영화관에 와보세요
색다른 재미와 신선한 충격이 여러분의 피로를 말끔히 씻어드릴겁니다

http://enjoy.ibcine.tv (살짝 눌러주세요)

이 영화관은 심의를 통과한 영화만 상영합니다.(미성년자는 입장할 수 없습니다)

정통부 권고사항에 의해 제목에 [광고]라고 표시하였으며 원클릭 수신거부장치를 설치했습니다

수신거부하시는 분이나 미성년자는 밑의 수신거부를 클릭해주십시요.

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From pilc-admin@ietf.org Mon May 6 17:14:56 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA07162 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA19296; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA19267 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA05911 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nit.isi.edu (nit.isi.edu [128.9.160.116]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g46KoiF02749 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 13:50:43 -0700 From: Aaron Falk To: pilc@ietf.org Message-ID: <1110000.1020718243@nit.isi.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.0 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [pilc] test -- please ignore Sender: pilc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pilc-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Performance Implications of Link Characteristics IETF Working Group X-BeenThere: pilc@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit test _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Mon May 6 20:00:33 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA11522 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405DCC69DB for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id TAA03404 for pilc-outgoing; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA03400 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id TAA27728 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [61.40.228.197]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with SMTP id 06BE0640D9 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: cdpark510@hanmail.net From: 한국전산 To: pilc@grc.nasa.gov Subject: ★고용보험가입재직자/실직자국비[100%]지원 IT교육 (광고) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 08:49:05 +0900 Message-Id: <20020506235239.06BE0640D9@seraph3.grc.nasa.gov> Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk

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제목에 [광고] 라 표시된광고 메일입니다.더 이상 메일을 수신하고 싶지 않으시면 [수신 거부]를 클릭해 주십시고. 즐거운 하루 되십시오

1. 재직자 정보화기초훈련 국비[100%]지원         (계속매월초개강)
* 정보화기초1 : windows,인터넷,한글 (6월3일개강,1개월)
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                  대상 : 직장인으로 고용보험가입 재직자
                 모집 : 선착순 마감 (5월30일까지) (월,수,금,저녁7:20-10:00교육)
                 (정보화기초1,2)=> 80%출석시 100%환급+교재무료

2. 재직자 직업능력개발훈련 국비[90%]지원         (계속매월초개강)
* 웹디자인 : 포토샵,플래쉬,드림위버,홈페이지 (6월3일개강,4개월)
* 웹마스터 : 포토샵,플래쉬,드림위버,서버구축 (6월3일개강,4개월)
            대상 : 직장인으로 고용보험가입 재직자
           모집 : 선착순 마감 (5월15일까지) (월,수,금,저녁7:20-10:00교육)
           (웹디자인,웹마스터)=> 80%출석시     90%환급+교재무료

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* 기타 교육내용, 교육시간, 제출서류 등은 홈페이지 참조 바랍니다
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From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Tue May 7 00:26:19 2002 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA18525 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6FF64160 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id AAA06477 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA06473 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id AAA03192 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eudoramail.com (unknown [217.78.74.104]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FE1EC69C7 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:17:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "MR.Michael Onyeze" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 04:21:56 +0200 Reply-To: "MR.Michael Onyeze" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020507041756.2FE1EC69C7@seraph2.grc.nasa.gov> Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mr.Michael Onyeze. 178 Dikko close Lagos-Nigeria Fax:234 1 7591693 Attn: President/Ceo. In order to transfer out Fifty Two Million United States Dollars from African Development Bank. I wish to ask for your assistance, believing that you will never let me down either now or in future. I got your e-mail address from the e-mail directory in the internet. I am Mr. Michael Onyeze, the Chief Auditor of African Development Bank (ADB). There was an account opened in this bank in 1983 and since 1989 nobody has operated on this account till date. After my long investigation to my greatest suprise I came to find out that the owner of the account who is Mr.Peter B. Andreas, a foreigner, crude oil exporter, who died in 1990. This account has no beneficiary, infact no other person knows about this account or anything about the account, and my investigation proved to me as well that this company does not exist anymore in NIgeria. The amount involved is USD 52M, which i seek your consent to transfer to a safe foreign account. I do not know any foreigner that i can trust either than you, I am only contacting you as a foreigner because this money can not be claimed by a Nigerian because the rightful owner of the account (Mr. Peter) is a foreigner and has dead. I know that this mail will come to you as a surprise as we do not know each other before hand. we will be needed to sign an Agreement as a security so that we cannot betray the trust that will be given to each other in this legitimate and joint venture, which demand utmost secrecy and confidential. I am contacting you because of the need to involve a foreigner with foreign account and foreign beneficiary. I need your full co-operation for us to have a successful transaction. Because the management is ready to approve this payment to any foreigner who has correct information of this account, which I will give to you immediately i receive your positive reply. With my position now in the office I can authorise the immediate transfer of this money to any foreign reliable account which you can provide with assurance that this money will be intact pending my physical arrival in your country for sharing and further investment. I will destroy all documents used in this transaction immediately we must have transferred this money to your nominated account sucessfully, so as to avoid any document trace by any person. I will apply for annual leave to get visa to your country immediately you confirm me that you are willing to assist me. I will also use my position and influence to effect legal approvals and onward transfer of this money to your account with appropriate clearance forms of the ministries and foreign exchange departments. At the conclusion of this business, you will be given 20% of the total amount, 75% will be for me, while 5% will be for expenses both parties might have incurred during the process of transferring. Awaiting your urgent reply and please do not FORGET TO INCLUDE YOUR PRIVATE FAX AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS FOR EASY COMMUNICATION. Thank you and God bless. Yours truly, Mr.Michael Onyeze. From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Tue May 7 01:39:26 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA19511 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE159C69EB for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id BAA15053 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA15043 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id BAA12999 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [211.190.93.196]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with SMTP id 269E7C68F8 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: korea16@kang.com From: 13억 To: pilc@grc.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:32:58 +0900 Message-Id: <20020507053214.269E7C68F8@seraph2.grc.nasa.gov> Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk

From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Tue May 7 07:11:57 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA02064 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A63CC69E9 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id HAA22589 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA22581 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id HAA02446 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [218.54.74.137]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with SMTP id 407D2640D5 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: namkie1@hananet.net From: 도우미 To: pilc@grc.nasa.gov Subject: 홍 보] 대출 안내문 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:03:10 +0900 Message-Id: <20020507110313.407D2640D5@seraph3.grc.nasa.gov> Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk

**) 신용대출

먼저 허락없이 메일을 보낸 것에 양해를 구합니다.

아직도 대출때문에 담보와 보증인을 구하러 다니십니까?
번거롭게 몇번씩 은행도 방문하시고요?
씨티은행 신용대출은 다릅니다.

기존 거래 없이도 필요한 서류만 갖추면 신용만으로 최고 5천만원까지 대출해 드립니다.

또한, 신용도에 따라 대출 금리 우대 등 각종 우대혜택을 받으실 수 있습니다.

* 대 상

# 상장기업, 코스닥 등록업체, KIST 상에 있는 회사에 근무하는 정직원.

# 교수, 의사 등 전문직 및 박사 학위소지한 직장인 우대.

* 나 이: 27 ~ 57세

* 대출 금액 : 1000만원 ~ 5000만원
* 현재 타은행 대출이 있을 때 추가 대출가능 금액(만원)
     연         봉    2500 3000   4000   5000   8000
     기존 대출    3500   4000 5500   6700   11000
     대출 금액    1600   2000   2600   3300   5000
* 금     리 : 최저 8.5% ~ (3년원리금균등분할시)
* 기     간 : 최장 5년
* 상환 방법 : 1.매월 원리금 균등상환매월 2.이자 상환 후 매년 원금 부분 상환
* 구비 서류 : 신분증, 인감증명서, 인감도장 , 재직증명서, 근로소득 원천징수영수증
                       입금용 통장사본
* 특     징 :

              1. 전담직원 출장 접수
              2. 씨티은행과의 거래 실적 없이 가능
              3. 타 은행 기존 대출 있는 분 가능
              4. 순수 개인 신용(무보증)대출
              5. 수입 인지대 (1000만원당 1만원)비용만 부담

● 전국 어디에 근무하시더라도 친절히 상담해 드립니다.

**)담보대출

근저당 설정비 면제(3년이상 대출고객에 한함)
이제 저렴하고 부담없는 씨티은행 담보대출로 해결하세요.

- 타은행 대출 상환이 가능합니다.(은행대행)
- 확 낮아진 이자율
- 고객에 따라 최고 1천만원까지 마이너스 통장식 대출특혜와 씨티은행리볼빙 카드 발급

* 단, 3년이내 조기 상환시 면제된 부대비용은 씨티은행으로 상환됩니다.
* 대출 금액 : 1천만원에서 최고 5억
* 금       리 : 무조건 6.3%
* 기       간 : 최장 30년
* 상환 방법 : 신용 대출과 동일
* 구비 서류 : 신분증, 인감도장, 인감증명서(2),등기부등본(2), 등기권리증원본
* 특         징 :

              1. 전담직원 출장 접수
               2. 타 은행 대출 대체 상환 가능(은행 대행)-가장 많은 상담문의건
               3. 최소 3백만원이상 마이너스 대출 추가 제공

다른 궁금한 점이 있으시면 아래로 전화주시면 친철히 상담해드립니다.

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더 이상 메일을 수신하고 싶지 않으시면 [수신 거부]를 클릭해 주십시오.

From owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Tue May 7 07:44:43 2002 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA03217 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF520C69D7 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id HAA29009 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA29005 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id HAA07287 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352BBC6935 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA02868; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205071135.HAA02868@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: pilc@grc.nasa.gov From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-pilc-link-design-11.txt Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 07:35:39 -0400 Sender: owner-pilc@grc.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: Discussion list for the IETF's Performance Implications of Link Characteristics effort. _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc From pilc-admin@ietf.org Tue May 7 09:23:19 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA07073 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23659; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23627 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA06526 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADBA6413D for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id JAA28211 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from guns.lerc.nasa.gov (guns.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.87.35]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA28201 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from guns.lerc.nasa.gov (localhost.lerc.nasa.gov [127.0.0.1]) by guns.lerc.nasa.gov with ESMTP (NASA LeRC 8.7.4.1/2.01-local) id JAA65856; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205071311.JAA65856@guns.lerc.nasa.gov> To: pilc@grc.nasa.gov From: Mark Allman Reply-To: mallman@grc.nasa.gov Organization: BBN Technologies/NASA GRC Song-of-the-Day: Long May You Run Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:11:05 -0400 Precedence: bulk Subject: [pilc] test Sender: pilc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pilc-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Performance Implications of Link Characteristics IETF Working Group X-BeenThere: pilc@ietf.org Just a quick test. Please ignore. allman _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc From pilc-admin@ietf.org Tue May 7 09:44:11 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA07730 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25133; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25102 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA07320 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752FEC69D1 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id JAA05453 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05447 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id JAA27531 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id B010864164 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: [from pobox2.mot.com (pobox2.mot.com [136.182.15.8]) by motgate.mot.com (motgate 2.1) with ESMTP id GAA13081 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:31:28 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from noah.dma.isg.mot.com (noah.dma.isg.mot.com [150.21.2.29]) by pobox2.mot.com (MOT-pobox2 2.0) with ESMTP id GAA18459 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:31:27 -0700 (MST)] Received: from dma.isg.mot.com (ma07-0056.dma.isg.mot.com [150.21.30.201]) by noah.dma.isg.mot.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15703 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CD7D72F.E9D49CE4@dma.isg.mot.com> Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:31:27 -0400 From: Dan Grossman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pilc@grc.nasa.gov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [pilc] Re: How many bytes should a CRC-32 protect?] Sender: pilc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pilc-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Performance Implications of Link Characteristics IETF Working Group X-BeenThere: pilc@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops. I'd intended this for the list, as well. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: How many bytes should a CRC-32 protect? Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:18:28 -0400 From: Dan Grossman To: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk References: <3CD69C2D.DB48787D@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Gorry, There was a fair amount of research on this over several Layer 2 protocol standards development projects. Memory is fading a bit now, but I recollect that there were some analyses done by some folks at Digital (er... Compaq.... er... HP) during the FDDI standardization. This came back during the AAL5 standardization, and some folks at IBM (Paul Greene?) did additional work. I'm sure I've got the paper contributions, but unfortunately they're off in a warehouse somewhere. Also see Craig Partridge, Jim Hughes and Jonathan Stone "Performance of Checksums and CRCs over Real Data", Proceedings of SIGCOMM'95. Dan Dr G Fairhurst wrote: > I was asked by someone how big a frame size can a CRC-32 reasonably protect? > > One of my students came across: > > http://sd.wareonearth.com/~phil/jumbo.html > > which seems to suggest that the CRC-32 is good for 10-12KB or so of > data, and that > this could be one reason why we don't see many subnetworks supporting > MTUs > 12KB. > > Is there more wisdom out there on the use of CRCs over large subnetwork PDUs? > - perhaps the ATM or gigEthernet people have thought this one through? > > Gorry Fairhurst. _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc From pilc-admin@ietf.org Tue May 7 10:35:30 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA09954 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28621; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28592 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA09312 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0EBC69E6 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id KAA20885 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20860 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id KAA07121 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dreamwiz.com (unknown [211.213.184.13]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with SMTP id B116B6414A for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: dlthtlf@dreamwiz.com From: 한바리닷컴 To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 23:19:31 +0900 Message-Id: <20020507141852.B116B6414A@seraph3.grc.nasa.gov> Precedence: bulk Subject: [pilc] [이사역경매] 귀찮고 번거로운 이사...한바리닷컴으로 해결하세요 !!! 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_______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc From pilc-admin@ietf.org Tue May 7 10:50:34 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA10641 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA29932; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA15302 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meshpdc.meshnetworks.com ([205.245.27.196]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA02028 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from neumillersimul (neumiller-simul.meshnetworks.com [10.0.0.98]) by meshpdc.meshnetworks.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id KNM9B680; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:11:08 -0400 Message-ID: <012f01c1f5b7$e321fbc0$6200000a@meshnetworks.com> Reply-To: "Phil Neumiller" From: "Phil Neumiller" To: "Scott Corson" , , , "Rex Buddenberg" , , "Dr. Chane L. Fullmer" , , "Eric Whitehill" , "'William Ivancic'" , , , , , "Anders Lindgren" , , Cc: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 07:11:07 -0400 Organization: MeshNetworks, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [pilc] L2 views Sender: pilc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pilc-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Performance Implications of Link Characteristics IETF Working Group X-BeenThere: pilc@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I have included a participants list below along with affiliations. Please let me know if I have forgotten anybody. Since the group is getting large it may be time to move the discussion to a list. If someone has a mail list they want to use please let me know. I am not sure if we can keep this discussion on the pilc list??? Maybe an AD can advice us on this? Preliminaries Before I release my drafty draft, or other folks do, I want to clear up some confusion I saw on the list. This group is taking the "perspective" of a link layer "looking up" at the network layer. Historically, the layered design used to partition the Internet protocol stack has been designed in a top down / client-server manner. With most of us having been exposed to MANETs and object oriented technology, and most likely design patterns, we can see the limitations of the strictly top down approach. As link people "looking up", we see that it would be nice to have something analogous to the Berkley sockets layer, but on the bottom half of the IP stack! First Things First It seem that one of the most important things we can do is send notifications to the IP layer from the link layer. I suggest that we support a ring buffer (of implementation dependent size) at the IP layer that is used for accepting link layer notifications, signals, triggers, events or whatever these things have been called. An optional linkable library would be created much analogous to the BSD sockets (or Winsock) layer that now supports IP underbelly access. A group of functions will be necessary for managing the IP input queue. This queue could be designed as a balking ring buffer or an overwrite ring buffer. The access functions would be used to place events into the IP underbelly. This buffer could also be implemented as a priority queue. I imagine there would be a separate queue for each link layer that is bound to the IP layer. Also, the socket layer tie-in is crucial. It is necessary that in some cases these notifications just pass through the IP layer to the transport layer, or the application layer. The events in some cases may just be considered out-of-band meta data/data. The link layer will need to be able to pass an "event record" up to the IP stack. This record would probably need to include source/destination link address, source/dest IP address (could be pointer to list of "known neighbors/bindings"), an event type, a version identifier, and set of event qualifiers. For example, Event=RSSI0, Qualifier=, etc. Please pile on and all comments/questions are welcome! Thanks, Phil Neumiller Participants List Flarion Corson@flarion.com - Scott Corson University of Newcastle upon Tyne Einar.Vollset@newcastle.ac.uk - Einar Vollset Univeristy of Bonn, Germany gerharz@cs.uni-bonn.de - Michael Gerharz U.S. Navy budden@nps.navy.mil - Rex Buddenberg Motorola, Inc. M.Sasuta@motorola.com - Mike Sasuta Univeristy of California, Santa Cruz chane@cse.ucsc.edu - Dr. Chane Fullmer Samsung Advanced Institute of Technology athene@sait.samsung.co.kr Dr. Jinhyuk Choi Jihoon Lee MeshNetworks, Inc. pneumiller@meshnetworks.com Phil Neumiller ewhitehill@meshnetworks.com Eric Whitehill Nasa Folks wivancic@grc.nasa.gov William Ivancic tbell@grc.nasa.gov David.H.Stewart@grc.nasa.gov Cisco Systems, Inc. dshell@cisco.com brunner@nic-naa.net Eric Brunner-Williams University of Salzburg h.d.clausen@ieee.org Lulia Technical University dugdale@sm.luth.se Anders Lindgren Marie-Jose Montpetit vze2prqh@verizon.net Ohio University kruse@ohio.edu _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc From pilc-admin@ietf.org Tue May 7 11:12:29 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA11601 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01640; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01613 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA10935 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nit.isi.edu (nit.isi.edu [128.9.160.116]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g47EvPb01354 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from falk@localhost) by nit.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.8.6) id g47EvKT31303 for pilc@ietf.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:57:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 07:57:20 -0700 From: Aaron Falk To: pilc@ietf.org Message-ID: <20020507075720.G30332@isi.edu> Mail-Followup-To: pilc@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Subject: [pilc] pilc list has moved to ietf.org Sender: pilc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pilc-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Performance Implications of Link Characteristics IETF Working Group X-BeenThere: pilc@ietf.org We've successfully moved the pilc mailing list to ietf.org. The IETF secretariat maintains a mailman server which has better spam rejection than the majordomo configuration we were using at NASA. Let's hope the spam drops significantly on this list. To send mail to the list send it to pilc@ietf.org To subscribe or unsubscribe, go to the list management page at http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc List archives will be maintained at New messages (on the ietf.org list): http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/pilc/current/maillist.html Old messages & new messages (from the nasa.gov and ietf.org lists): http://pilc.grc.nasa.gov/list/archive/ Many thanks to Mark Allman for maintaining the old list since November 1999. --aaron _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc From pilc-admin@ietf.org Tue May 7 11:16:17 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA11813 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01689; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01288 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meshpdc.meshnetworks.com ([205.245.27.196]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA10696 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by meshpdc.meshnetworks.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:51:54 -0400 Message-ID: <0DF9FBC42474A24CA50F7A27FB08E048B0E216@meshpdc.meshnetworks.com> From: Eric Whitehill To: Phil Neumiller , Scott Corson , Einar.Vollset@newcastle.ac.uk, gerharz@cs.uni-bonn.de, Rex Buddenberg , M.Sasuta@motorola.com, "Dr. Chane L. Fullmer" , athene@sait.samsung.co.kr, Eric Whitehill , "'William Ivancic'" , tbell@grc.nasa.gov, David.H.Stewart@grc.nasa.gov, brunner@nic-naa.net, h.d.clausen@ieee.org, Anders Lindgren , vze2prqh@verizon.net, kruse@ohio.edu Cc: pilc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [pilc] L2 views Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:51:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: pilc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pilc-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Performance Implications of Link Characteristics IETF Working Group X-BeenThere: pilc@ietf.org Phil, Perhaps I didn't see it, but did everyone agree to the problem statement that you included in your 4/30 e-mail? Eric -----Original Message----- From: Phil Neumiller [mailto:pneumiller@meshnetworks.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 7:11 AM To: Scott Corson; Einar.Vollset@newcastle.ac.uk; gerharz@cs.uni-bonn.de; Rex Buddenberg; M.Sasuta@motorola.com; Dr. Chane L. Fullmer; athene@sait.samsung.co.kr; Eric Whitehill; 'William Ivancic'; tbell@grc.nasa.gov; David.H.Stewart@grc.nasa.gov; brunner@nic-naa.net; h.d.clausen@ieee.org; Anders Lindgren; vze2prqh@verizon.net; kruse@ohio.edu Cc: pilc@ietf.org Subject: [pilc] L2 views Hello, I have included a participants list below along with affiliations. Please let me know if I have forgotten anybody. Since the group is getting large it may be time to move the discussion to a list. If someone has a mail list they want to use please let me know. I am not sure if we can keep this discussion on the pilc list??? Maybe an AD can advice us on this? Preliminaries Before I release my drafty draft, or other folks do, I want to clear up some confusion I saw on the list. This group is taking the "perspective" of a link layer "looking up" at the network layer. Historically, the layered design used to partition the Internet protocol stack has been designed in a top down / client-server manner. With most of us having been exposed to MANETs and object oriented technology, and most likely design patterns, we can see the limitations of the strictly top down approach. As link people "looking up", we see that it would be nice to have something analogous to the Berkley sockets layer, but on the bottom half of the IP stack! First Things First It seem that one of the most important things we can do is send notifications to the IP layer from the link layer. I suggest that we support a ring buffer (of implementation dependent size) at the IP layer that is used for accepting link layer notifications, signals, triggers, events or whatever these things have been called. An optional linkable library would be created much analogous to the BSD sockets (or Winsock) layer that now supports IP underbelly access. A group of functions will be necessary for managing the IP input queue. This queue could be designed as a balking ring buffer or an overwrite ring buffer. The access functions would be used to place events into the IP underbelly. This buffer could also be implemented as a priority queue. I imagine there would be a separate queue for each link layer that is bound to the IP layer. Also, the socket layer tie-in is crucial. It is necessary that in some cases these notifications just pass through the IP layer to the transport layer, or the application layer. The events in some cases may just be considered out-of-band meta data/data. The link layer will need to be able to pass an "event record" up to the IP stack. This record would probably need to include source/destination link address, source/dest IP address (could be pointer to list of "known neighbors/bindings"), an event type, a version identifier, and set of event qualifiers. For example, Event=RSSI0, Qualifier=, etc. Please pile on and all comments/questions are welcome! Thanks, Phil Neumiller Participants List Flarion Corson@flarion.com - Scott Corson University of Newcastle upon Tyne Einar.Vollset@newcastle.ac.uk - Einar Vollset Univeristy of Bonn, Germany gerharz@cs.uni-bonn.de - Michael Gerharz U.S. Navy budden@nps.navy.mil - Rex Buddenberg Motorola, Inc. M.Sasuta@motorola.com - Mike Sasuta Univeristy of California, Santa Cruz chane@cse.ucsc.edu - Dr. Chane Fullmer Samsung Advanced Institute of Technology athene@sait.samsung.co.kr Dr. Jinhyuk Choi Jihoon Lee MeshNetworks, Inc. pneumiller@meshnetworks.com Phil Neumiller ewhitehill@meshnetworks.com Eric Whitehill Nasa Folks wivancic@grc.nasa.gov William Ivancic tbell@grc.nasa.gov David.H.Stewart@grc.nasa.gov Cisco Systems, Inc. dshell@cisco.com brunner@nic-naa.net Eric Brunner-Williams University of Salzburg h.d.clausen@ieee.org Lulia Technical University dugdale@sm.luth.se Anders Lindgren Marie-Jose Montpetit vze2prqh@verizon.net Ohio University kruse@ohio.edu _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc **************************************************************************** This e-mail is intended only for the addressee named above and may contain confidential, proprietary or privileged information. 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However we accept no responsibility for any virus transmitted by us and recommend that you subject any incoming e-mail to your own virus checking procedures. _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc From pilc-admin@ietf.org Tue May 7 11:45:46 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA13348 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04379; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04209 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meshpdc.meshnetworks.com ([205.245.27.196]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA12276 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from neumillersimul (neumiller-simul.meshnetworks.com [10.0.0.98]) by meshpdc.meshnetworks.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id KNM9B7JC; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:27:06 -0400 Message-ID: <018001c1f5db$a4264920$6200000a@meshnetworks.com> Reply-To: "Phil Neumiller" From: "Phil Neumiller" To: "Eric Whitehill" , "Scott Corson" , , , "Rex Buddenberg" , , "Dr. Chane L. Fullmer" , , "'William Ivancic'" , , , , , "Anders Lindgren" , , , "Armando L. Caro Jr." Cc: References: <0DF9FBC42474A24CA50F7A27FB08E048B0E216@meshpdc.meshnetworks.com> Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:27:04 -0400 Organization: MeshNetworks, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [pilc] AD request / L2 Views Problem Statement Sender: pilc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pilc-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Performance Implications of Link Characteristics IETF Working Group X-BeenThere: pilc@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Eric, I am reluctant to carry on discussions on the pilc list, since I would like confirmation from an AD whether they want this discussion here or someplace else. I assume they do, since they relocated the L2 triggers BOF to PILC. I believe at this point we are discussing things within the scope of that planned BOF. AD Request, Scott and/or Allison can probably provide clarity here. I want to express that my desired "perspective" is to position ourselves as link layer designers that want to see some standardization on the IP underbelly, i.e. an API if you will, to IPs darker side, and a standardized way for IP to send events (at the millisecond time scale) "up" to the IP layer. This means adding standardization to IP, not link layers. It means we want to standardize the way link layers "talk to" IP in the upward direction. The first proposal is a high performance queue for event notification offered by the IP layer to bound link layers. The simplest use of this queue is simply to buffer the notifications and forward them to the transport layer if not "hooked" by the IP layer. With respect to your question Eric, several people have sent comments on the problem statement and everything at this point is work-in-progress and everybody is welcome to contribute whatever they whenever they can. Before getting to a formal problem statement, it may prove fruitful to first entertain some philosophical discussions regarding the under-specified IP underbelly. Perhaps many feel that the current underbelly mechanisms of arp, rarp, icmp, etc are sufficient for wireless devices??? Maybe the definition of a host/gateway just needs some sprucing up (RFC 1122 / RFC 1123)? Best Regards, Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Whitehill" > Phil, > > Perhaps I didn't see it, but did everyone agree to the problem statement > that you included in > your 4/30 e-mail? > > Eric > _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc From pilc-admin@ietf.org Tue May 7 11:57:18 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA13698 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05689; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05659 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA13129 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7BB64153 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id LAA19359 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19352 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id LAA25104 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zippy.psc.edu (pa-monroeville3a-101.pit.adelphia.net [24.53.185.101]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA0BC69DB for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mathis@localhost) by zippy.psc.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g47Fcnt02913; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:38:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.psc.edu: mathis owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:38:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Mathis To: Dr G Fairhurst Cc: pilc@grc.nasa.gov In-Reply-To: <3CD69C2D.DB48787D@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Subject: [pilc] Re: How many bytes should a CRC-32 protect? Sender: pilc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pilc-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Performance Implications of Link Characteristics IETF Working Group X-BeenThere: pilc@ietf.org The standard answer is 12KB, but I believe that this statement is based on an engineering requirement that the maximum allowed probability that the CRC fails to detect a corrupted packet is below some threshold. (I would greatly appreciate it if somebody can provide a specific reference for this calculation.) The logic behind the calculation seems to be flawed in the following way: If you have a large quantity of data to move (say a Peta Byte, 1e+15 Bytes) then the total undetected error rate is independent of the packet size across a huge range of sizes. This is because changes in per-packet exposure to undetected errors are exactly offset by the change in the number of packets. For example if I send 1e+15 bytes over a link that has a raw error rate of 1E-12 then I compute: Using 1000 byte packets: Raw bit error rate: 1.0e-12 Per packet error rate: 1.0e-09 Undetected packet errors: 2.5e-19 Packets per data set: 1.0e+12 Total undetected errors per data set: 2.5e-07 Using 10000000 byte packets: Raw bit error rate: 1.0e-12 Per packet error rate: 1.0e-05 Undetected packet errors: 2.5e-15 Packets per data set: 1.0e+08 Total undetected errors per data set: 2.5e-07 You can find some of my musing about the Internet cell size at http://www.psc.edu/~mathis/MTU/ Comments and feedback appreciated, --MM-- On Mon, 6 May 2002, Dr G Fairhurst wrote: > > I was asked by someone how big a frame size can a CRC-32 reasonably protect? > > One of my students came across: > > http://sd.wareonearth.com/~phil/jumbo.html > > which seems to suggest that the CRC-32 is good for 10-12KB or so of > data, and that > this could be one reason why we don't see many subnetworks supporting > MTUs > 12KB. > > Is there more wisdom out there on the use of CRCs over large subnetwork PDUs? > - perhaps the ATM or gigEthernet people have thought this one through? > > > Gorry Fairhurst. > -- --MM-- ---------------------------------------------- Matt Mathis W:412.268.3319 http://www.psc.edu/~mathis H:412.654.7529 ---------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc From pilc-admin@ietf.org Tue May 7 13:09:17 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA16301 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11305; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11276 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA15693 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFA76415E for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id MAA14601 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA14583 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id MAA10970 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87097C6948 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nit.isi.edu (nit.isi.edu [128.9.160.116]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g47GvGF17553; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:57:16 -0700 From: Aaron Falk To: Matt Mathis , Dr G Fairhurst Cc: pilc@grc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: [pilc] Re: How many bytes should a CRC-32 protect? Message-ID: <2070000.1020790636@nit.isi.edu> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.0 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: pilc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pilc-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Performance Implications of Link Characteristics IETF Working Group X-BeenThere: pilc@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt- You're assuming a uniform distribution of errors, aren't you? If you have bursty errors (as in most wireless channels), you win with bigger packets since errors are concentrated in a smaller number of packets. --aaron > The logic behind the calculation seems to be flawed in the following way: > If you have a large quantity of data to move (say a Peta Byte, 1e+15 > Bytes) then the total undetected error rate is independent of the packet > size across a huge range of sizes. This is because changes in > per-packet exposure to undetected errors are exactly offset by the change > in the number of packets. > > For example if I send 1e+15 bytes over a link that has a raw error rate > of 1E-12 then I compute: > > Using 1000 byte packets: > Raw bit error rate: 1.0e-12 > Per packet error rate: 1.0e-09 > Undetected packet errors: 2.5e-19 > Packets per data set: 1.0e+12 > Total undetected errors per data set: 2.5e-07 > > Using 10000000 byte packets: > Raw bit error rate: 1.0e-12 > Per packet error rate: 1.0e-05 > Undetected packet errors: 2.5e-15 > Packets per data set: 1.0e+08 > Total undetected errors per data set: 2.5e-07 > _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc From pilc-admin@ietf.org Tue May 7 15:45:52 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22107 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14957; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14928 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18087 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF987640B2 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id NAA01229 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA01213 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id NAA21459 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zippy.psc.edu (MATHIS.WV.CC.cmu.edu [128.2.78.241]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B16C690A for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mathis@localhost) by zippy.psc.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g47HmIx03541; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:48:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.psc.edu: mathis owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:48:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Mathis To: Aaron Falk Cc: pilc@grc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: [pilc] Re: How many bytes should a CRC-32 protect? In-Reply-To: <2070000.1020790636@nit.isi.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Sender: pilc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pilc-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Performance Implications of Link Characteristics IETF Working Group X-BeenThere: pilc@ietf.org On Tue, 7 May 2002, Aaron Falk wrote: > You're assuming a uniform distribution of errors, aren't you? If you have > bursty errors (as in most wireless channels), you win with bigger packets > since errors are concentrated in a smaller number of packets. Well yes, perhaps. Actually I think it depends on a whole bunch of assumptions about error distribution, and different terms can oposite effects. The "hidden" model I used is that all raw errors cause the CRC to be uniformly distributed actross 4e+9 values, one of which will cause a "false pass". Thanks, --MM-- ---------------------------------------------- Matt Mathis W:412.268.3319 http://www.psc.edu/~mathis H:412.654.7529 ---------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/pilc-charter.html http://pilc.grc.nasa.gov/ From pilc-admin@ietf.org Tue May 7 16:00:56 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA22621 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA15431; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA15402 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [136.182.1.10]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22152 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: [from pobox2.mot.com (pobox2.mot.com [136.182.15.8]) by motgate2.mot.com (motgate2 2.1) with ESMTP id MAA13391 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:48:08 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from noah.dma.isg.mot.com (noah.dma.isg.mot.com [150.21.2.29]) by pobox2.mot.com (MOT-pobox2 2.0) with ESMTP id MAA16641 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:48:06 -0700 (MST)] Received: from dma.isg.mot.com (ma07-0056.dma.isg.mot.com [150.21.30.201]) by noah.dma.isg.mot.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18430 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CD82F75.1A8D965C@dma.isg.mot.com> Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 15:48:05 -0400 From: Dan Grossman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pilc@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [pilc] How many bytes should a CRC-32 protect? Sender: pilc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pilc-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Performance Implications of Link Characteristics IETF Working Group X-BeenThere: pilc@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some properties of CRCs are slowly bubbling up from the recesses of ancient memory. This with some uncertainty as to the accuracy of this memory, and which are general properties of CRCs and which are properties of the CRC-32 polynomial. Corrections are welcome. A CRC of length N bits produces a unique codeword for packets of length 2^N-1 bits. It will therefore detect any single bit error in a packet of that length or less. This upper bounds the answer to Gorry's original question. The particular polynomial (actually, all polynomials that lack an N(N+1) factor, I believe), will detect all odd numbers of errored bits. It will detect all single bursts of less than 32 bits, and all 2 bit errors that occur within 2048 bits. For all other even number of bit errors, the probability of detection is 1-(2^-32). In practice, I recollect that the probability of undetected errors in a burst error environment is difficult to solve analytically, and that people have tended to do it by simulation. Matt, how does this relate to your model? Dr G Fairhurst wrote: > I was asked by someone how big a frame size can a CRC-32 reasonably protect? > > One of my students came across: > > http://sd.wareonearth.com/~phil/jumbo.html > > which seems to suggest that the CRC-32 is good for 10-12KB or so of > data, and that > this could be one reason why we don't see many subnetworks supporting > MTUs > 12KB. > > Is there more wisdom out there on the use of CRCs over large subnetwork PDUs? > - perhaps the ATM or gigEthernet people have thought this one through? > > Gorry Fairhurst. _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/pilc-charter.html http://pilc.grc.nasa.gov/ From pilc-admin@ietf.org Tue May 7 16:01:42 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA22680 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA14749; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA14535 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (seraph2.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA18772 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87ECEC693A for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id OAA08080 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA08070 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id OAA25659 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [136.182.1.10]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42294640C7 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: [from pobox2.mot.com (pobox2.mot.com [136.182.15.8]) by motgate2.mot.com (motgate2 2.1) with ESMTP id LAA26517; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:06:19 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from noah.dma.isg.mot.com (noah.dma.isg.mot.com [150.21.2.29]) by pobox2.mot.com (MOT-pobox2 2.0) with ESMTP id LAA15907; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:06:18 -0700 (MST)] Received: from dma.isg.mot.com (ma07-0056.dma.isg.mot.com [150.21.30.201]) by noah.dma.isg.mot.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17673; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CD8179A.F145E10C@dma.isg.mot.com> Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 14:06:18 -0400 From: Dan Grossman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk Cc: pilc@grc.nasa.gov References: <3CD69C2D.DB48787D@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [pilc] Re: How many bytes should a CRC-32 protect? Sender: pilc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pilc-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Performance Implications of Link Characteristics IETF Working Group X-BeenThere: pilc@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some properties of CRCs are slowly bubbling up from the recesses of ancient memory. This with some uncertainty as to the accuracy of this memory, and which are general properties of CRCs and which are properties of the CRC-32 polynomial. Corrections are welcome. A CRC of length N bits produces a unique codeword for packets of length 2^N-1 bits. It will therefore detect any single bit error in a packet of that length or less. The particular polynomial (actually, all polynomials that either have or lack a particular factor -- I think it was lacking an N(N+1) factor, but not sure) will detect all odd numbers of errors. It will detect all single bursts of less than 32 bits, and all 2 bit errors that occur within 2048 bits. For all other even number of bit errors, the probability of detection is 1-2^-32. In practice, I recollect that the probability of undetected errors in a burst error environment is difficult to solve analytically, and that people have tended to do it by simulation. Dr G Fairhurst wrote: > I was asked by someone how big a frame size can a CRC-32 reasonably protect? > > One of my students came across: > > http://sd.wareonearth.com/~phil/jumbo.html > > which seems to suggest that the CRC-32 is good for 10-12KB or so of > data, and that > this could be one reason why we don't see many subnetworks supporting > MTUs > 12KB. > > Is there more wisdom out there on the use of CRCs over large subnetwork PDUs? > - perhaps the ATM or gigEthernet people have thought this one through? > > Gorry Fairhurst. _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/pilc-charter.html http://pilc.grc.nasa.gov/ From pilc-admin@ietf.org Tue May 7 20:07:44 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA27530 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA28914; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA28887 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (seraph3.lerc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA27352 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC5164099 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) id TAA28585 for pilc-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (acs-viruswall.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.21]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA28580 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acs-viruswall.grc.nasa.gov (NASA LeRC 8.9.1.1/8.11.x) with ESMTP id TAA26744 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [211.216.146.80]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A13564094 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: powerhealth@com.ne.kr From: aema To: pilc@grc.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:55:06 +0900 Message-Id: <20020507235429.6A13564094@seraph3.grc.nasa.gov> Precedence: bulk Subject: [pilc] [광고]인터넷 성인영화관 Sender: pilc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pilc-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Performance Implications of Link Characteristics IETF Working Group X-BeenThere: pilc@ietf.org Untitled Document

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_______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/pilc-charter.html http://pilc.grc.nasa.gov/ From pilc-admin@ietf.org Wed May 8 00:42:47 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA03645 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 00:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11820; Wed, 8 May 2002 00:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11774 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 00:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daiba2.is.nttdocomo.co.jp (daiba.is.nttdocomo.co.jp [202.19.227.65]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA03511 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 00:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from akmime3.docomo.docomogr.net (akmime3.docomo.docomogr.net [10.17.92.88]) by daiba2.is.nttdocomo.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8518D1320 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:30:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail.is.nttdocomo.co.jp (unverified) by akmime3.docomo.docomogr.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:33:49 +0900 Received: from N30NATSUNOSO ([10.17.92.92]) by mail.is.nttdocomo.co.jp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GVRZ7G00.PZH; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:30:52 +0900 Message-ID: <013601c1f648$f30edbc0$12ec100a@N30NATSUNOSO> From: "Takeshi Natsuno" To: , References: <200205071143.HAA00743@lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: [pilc] Welcome to pilc Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:21:08 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: pilc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pilc-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Performance Implications of Link Characteristics IETF Working Group X-BeenThere: pilc@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe pilc ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:43 PM Subject: [pilc] Welcome to pilc > -- > > Welcome to the pilc mailing list! > > Please save this message for future reference. 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=20

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=20 _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/pilc-charter.html http://pilc.grc.nasa.gov/ From pilc-admin@ietf.org Wed May 8 10:48:55 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA10006 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00348; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00309 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vhf2.dataradio.com (ns2.dataradio.com [198.168.41.4]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA08960 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tx.dataradio.com (m32.dataradio.com [198.168.39.192]) by vhf2.dataradio.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g48ES0MH005888 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Spooler by tx.dataradio.com (Mercury/32 v3.31) ID MO0000DA; 8 May 02 10:28:02 -0400 Received: from spooler by tx.dataradio.com (Mercury/32 v3.31); 8 May 02 10:27:34 -0400 From: "Amin Abdul" Organization: Dataradio Inc., Montreal, Canada To: pilc@ietf.org Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:24:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3CD8FCCB.18600.1D06E9C5@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: [pilc] TCP over un-schedule half-duplex radio channel Sender: pilc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pilc-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Performance Implications of Link Characteristics IETF Working Group X-BeenThere: pilc@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, I have three questions for you regarding un-schedule half-duplex radio channel and packet re-ordering. 1- My understanding (limited) is most of the PILC documents assumed the schedule half-duplex radio channel. Is my assumption is correct? 2- Basically I am interested in carrying TCP over un-schedule half-duplex radio channel. Is any IETF or other research group address this problem (besides introducing the robust link layer). 3- In "Advice for Internet Subnetwork Designer" draft, section 15 "Packet Reordering". I am little bit confused about correlation between PPP and "Packet Reordering". It make sense in the up-link (host-ISP) but I am not sure in the down-link (ISP-host). Would some one please clarify what I am missing here. Thanks, Amin _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/pilc-charter.html http://pilc.grc.nasa.gov/ From pilc-admin@ietf.org Fri May 10 13:37:09 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA07193 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00925; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00897 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.flarion.com (mail.flarion.com [63.103.94.23]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06219 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by planetajeans.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:23:09 -0400 Message-ID: <8C92E23A3E87FB479988285F9E22BE4699488B@ftmail> From: Scott Corson To: "'Phil Neumiller'" , Eric Whitehill , Scott Corson , Einar.Vollset@newcastle.ac.uk, gerharz@cs.uni-bonn.de, Rex Buddenberg , M.Sasuta@motorola.com, "Dr. Chane L. Fullmer" , athene@sait.samsung.co.kr, "'William Ivancic'" , tbell@grc.nasa.gov, David.H.Stewart@grc.nasa.gov, brunner@nic-naa.net, h.d.clausen@ieee.org, Anders Lindgren , vze2prqh@verizon.net, kruse@ohio.edu, "Armando L. Caro Jr." Cc: pilc@ietf.org Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:23:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [pilc] RE: AD request / L2 Views Problem Statement Sender: pilc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pilc-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Performance Implications of Link Characteristics IETF Working Group X-BeenThere: pilc@ietf.org Phil, All, I posted a still largely conceptual draft http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-corson-triggered-00.txt that's related to this discussion...was mostly done before Phil raised this whole IP underbelly API issue, and is more related to the L2 triggers BOF that James has been after for some time. Probably 10x the words required given the content (sorry), but just a bit of rationale that I wanted to explain. Regards, -Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Neumiller [mailto:pneumiller@meshnetworks.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:27 AM > To: Eric Whitehill; Scott Corson; Einar.Vollset@newcastle.ac.uk; > gerharz@cs.uni-bonn.de; Rex Buddenberg; > M.Sasuta@motorola.com; Dr. Chane > L. Fullmer; athene@sait.samsung.co.kr; 'William Ivancic'; > tbell@grc.nasa.gov; David.H.Stewart@grc.nasa.gov; brunner@nic-naa.net; > h.d.clausen@ieee.org; Anders Lindgren; vze2prqh@verizon.net; > kruse@ohio.edu; Armando L. Caro Jr. > Cc: pilc@ietf.org > Subject: AD request / L2 Views Problem Statement > > > Hi Eric, > > I am reluctant to carry on discussions on the pilc list, > since I would like confirmation > from an AD whether they want this discussion here or > someplace else. I assume they > do, since they relocated the L2 triggers BOF to PILC. I > believe at this point we are > discussing things within the scope of that planned BOF. > > AD Request, > > Scott and/or Allison can probably provide clarity here. I > want to express that my > desired "perspective" is to position ourselves as link layer > designers that want to > see some standardization on the IP underbelly, i.e. an API if > you will, to IPs darker > side, and a standardized way for IP to send events (at the > millisecond time scale) > "up" to the IP layer. This means adding standardization to > IP, not link layers. It > means we want to standardize the way link layers "talk to" IP > in the upward > direction. The first proposal is a high performance queue > for event notification offered > by the IP layer to bound link layers. The simplest use of > this queue is simply to buffer > the notifications and forward them to the transport layer if > not "hooked" by the IP > layer. > > With respect to your question Eric, several people have sent > comments on the problem > statement and everything at this point is work-in-progress > and everybody is welcome to > contribute whatever they whenever they can. Before getting > to a formal problem > statement, it may prove fruitful to first entertain some > philosophical discussions regarding > the under-specified IP underbelly. Perhaps many feel that > the current underbelly mechanisms > of arp, rarp, icmp, etc are sufficient for wireless > devices??? Maybe the definition of a > host/gateway just needs some sprucing up (RFC 1122 / RFC 1123)? > > Best Regards, > > Phil > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Whitehill" > > > > Phil, > > > > Perhaps I didn't see it, but did everyone agree to the > problem statement > > that you included in > > your 4/30 e-mail? > > > > Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ pilc mailing list pilc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pilc http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/pilc-charter.html http://pilc.grc.nasa.gov/ From pilc-admin@ietf.org Fri May 10 18:56:29 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA21774 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 18:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA18688; Fri, 10 May 2002 18:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA18658 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 18:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web11704.mail.yahoo.com (web11704.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.70]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA21462 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 18:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020510224004.55744.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.251.168.92] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:40:04 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:40:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Behcet Sarikaya