From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 2 03:52:35 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA01176 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 03:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0290mB04807 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:00:48 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0290lJ04803 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:00:47 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA01167 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 03:52:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0290aJ04787; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:00:36 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h028xgJ04721 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 03:59:42 -0500 Received: from web14805.mail.yahoo.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id DAA01161 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 03:50:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20030102085409.47541.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.144.44.226] by web14805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 00:54:09 PST Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 00:54:09 -0800 (PST) From: Mahesh Govind To: rohc@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1929922222-1041497649=:47120" Subject: [rohc] Compressed SIP Message Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --0-1929922222-1041497649=:47120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I am new to SigComp.Can any one give me an example of a compressed SIP message. Thanks in advance. Mahesh --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-1929922222-1041497649=:47120 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

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RFC 3321 Title: Signaling Compression (SigComp) - Extended Operations Author(s): H. Hannu, J. Christoffersson, S. Forsgren, K. Leung, Z. Liu, R. Price Status: Informational Date: January 2003 Mailbox: hans.hannu@epl.ericsson.se, jan.christoffersson@epl.ericsson.se, StefanForsgren@alvishagglunds.se, kcleung@eee.hku.hk, zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com, richard.price@roke.co.uk Pages: 19 Characters: 39433 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-rohc-sigcomp-extended-04.txt URL: ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3321.txt This document describes how to implement certain mechanisms in Signaling Compression (SigComp), RFC 3320, which can significantly improve the compression efficiency compared to using simple per-message compression. SigComp uses a Universal Decompressor Virtual Machine (UDVM) for decompression, and the mechanisms described in this document are possible to implement using the UDVM instructions defined in RFC 3320. 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RFC 3322 Title: Signaling Compression (SigComp) Requirements & Assumptions Author(s): H. Hannu Status: Informational Date: January 2003 Mailbox: hans.hannu@epl.ericsson.se Pages: 13 Characters: 27533 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-rohc-signaling-req-assump-06.txt URL: ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3322.txt The purpose of this document is to outline requirements and motivations for the development of a scheme for compression and decompression of messages from signaling protocols. In wireless environments and especially in cellular systems, e.g., GSM (Global System for Mobile communications) and UMTS (Universal Mobile Telecommunications System), there is a need to maximize the transport efficiency for data over the radio interface. 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The RFC 2507 states that generation value is incremented “if the header changes the context” in the compressor. I understand the concept of streams for a Non TCP case is implementation based. But if we take a normal case where for IP/UDP header I take all the DEF fields to define a context and hence a stream. Meaning I take IP src, dest addr, UDP src, dest ports as the fields which identify a context. My question now is when one of these fields change, should I not go for a change in CID ? If so then in what scenarios do I increase the generation for a CID/Context ? Thanks in advance. Warm Regards, Gaurav *************************************************************************** This message is proprietary to Future Software Limited (FSL) and is intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential information and should not be circulated or used for any purpose other than for what it is intended. 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Hello All,

 

I have a doubt regarding the generation value for Non TCP Header Compression as per IPHC.  

The RFC 2507 states that generation value is incremented = “if the header changes the context” in the compressor. =

 

I understand the concept of streams for a Non TCP case is = implementation based. But if we take a normal case where for IP/UDP header I take all = the DEF fields to define a context and hence a stream. Meaning I take IP src, = dest addr, UDP src, dest ports as the fields which identify a = context.

 

My question now is when one of these fields change, should I not = go for a change in CID ?

 

If so then in what scenarios do I increase the generation for a CID/Context ?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Warm Regards,

Gaurav

  

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2B68B.18DDE5A0-- _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 7 14:17:53 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA25275 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h07JSjH11689 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:28:45 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h07JSjJ11686 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:28:45 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA25229 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h07JSLJ11674; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:28:21 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h07JRdJ11626 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:27:39 -0500 Received: from petasus.ch.intel.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA25207 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from fmsmsxvs043.fm.intel.com (fmsmsxvs043.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.129]) by petasus.ch.intel.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/d: solo.mc,v 1.48 2002/10/16 23:47:34 dmccart Exp $) with SMTP id h07JKHe13185 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:20:17 GMT Received: from fmsmsx331-2.fm.intel.com ([132.233.42.156]) by fmsmsxvs043.fm.intel.com (NAVGW 2.5.2.11) with SMTP id M2003010711173420873 ; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 11:17:34 -0800 Received: from fmsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com ([132.233.42.208]) by fmsmsx331-2.fm.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:19:30 -0800 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: [rohc] Genration incrementation in RFC 2507 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:19:29 -0800 Message-ID: <348846432D5298448844D13BE8C9636A70678A@fmsmsx404.fm.intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2B681.B366EC74" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6334.0 Thread-Topic: [rohc] Genration incrementation in RFC 2507 Thread-Index: AcK2XRrqZ+GPOCJPEde/HABQi2jWFgAIl57w From: "Dintakurthi, Satyanarayana V" To: , "rohc" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2003 19:19:30.0190 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3B64AE0:01C2B681] Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2B681.B366EC74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gaurav, Please see my answers below. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Gaurav Bhargava [mailto:gauravb@future.futsoft.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:57 AM To: 'rohc' Subject: [rohc] Genration incrementation in RFC 2507 =20 Hello All, =20 I have a doubt regarding the generation value for Non TCP Header = Compression as per IPHC. =20 The RFC 2507 states that generation value is incremented "if the header = changes the context" in the compressor.=20 =20 I understand the concept of streams for a Non TCP case is implementation = based. But if we take a normal case where for IP/UDP header I take all = the DEF fields to define a context and hence a stream. Meaning I take IP = src, dest addr, UDP src, dest ports as the fields which identify a = context. =20 My question now is when one of these fields change, should I not go for = a change in CID ?=20 When the DEF fields change, it is a different packet stream and hence = the CID changes. =20 If so then in what scenarios do I increase the generation for a = CID/Context ? There are a few cases in the RFC, in which the generation value is = incremented, but the CID remains the same. One situation is, when any of the NOCHANGE field which is not part of = the DEF changes, the generation value is incremented to indicate the new = version of the context. There could be other situations like this = mentioned in the RFC. =20 =20 Thanks in advance. =20 Warm Regards, Gaurav =20 Any other comments on this are welcome. Regards, Satya =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2B681.B366EC74 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Gaurav,

Please see my answers = below.

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Gaurav Bhargava [mailto:gauravb@future.futsoft.com]
Sent:
Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:57 = AM
To: 'rohc'
Subject: [rohc] Genration incrementation in RFC 2507

 

Hello All,

 

I have a doubt regarding the generation value for Non TCP Header Compression as = per IPHC.=A0

The RFC 2507 states that generation value is incremented “if the header = changes the context” in the compressor.

 

I understand the concept of streams for a Non TCP case is implementation = based. But if we take a normal case where for IP/UDP header I take all the DEF = fields to define a context and hence a stream. Meaning I take IP src, dest = addr, UDP src, dest ports as the fields which identify a = context.

 

My question now is when one of these fields change, should I not go for a = change in CID ?

When the DEF fields = change, it is a different packet stream and hence the CID = changes.

 

If so then in what scenarios do I increase the generation for a CID/Context = ?

There are a few cases = in the RFC, in which the generation value is incremented, but the CID remains = the same.

One situation is, = when any of the NOCHANGE field which is not part of the DEF changes, the generation = value is incremented to indicate the new version of the context. There could = be other situations like this mentioned in the RFC.

 

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Warm Regards,

Gaurav

=A0

Any other comments on = this are welcome.

Regards,

Satya

 

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2B681.B366EC74-- _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 8 00:32:47 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA15170 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h085hoq16005 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:43:50 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h085hoJ16002 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:43:50 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA15149 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h085gZJ15959; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:42:35 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h085fdJ15926 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:41:39 -0500 Received: from fsnt.future.futsoft.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA15106 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from kailash.future.futsoft.com (unverified) by fsnt.future.futsoft.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 11:07:41 +0530 Received: from gauravb (gauravb.future.futsoft.com [10.8.3.15]) by kailash.future.futsoft.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id h085UHW4021874; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:00:17 +0530 Reply-To: From: "Gaurav Bhargava" To: "'Dintakurthi, Satyanarayana V'" , "'rohc'" Subject: RE: [rohc] Genration incrementation in RFC 2507 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:03:38 +0530 Message-Id: <000a01c2b6d7$7f8a7740$0f03080a@future.futsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <348846432D5298448844D13BE8C9636A70678A@fmsmsx404.fm.intel.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2B705.994BDB00" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2B705.994BDB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Satya. I got the point. Warm Regards, Gaurav -----Original Message----- From: rohc-admin@ietf.org [mailto:rohc-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Dintakurthi, Satyanarayana V Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2003 12:49 AM To: gauravb@future.futsoft.com; rohc Subject: RE: [rohc] Genration incrementation in RFC 2507 Hi Gaurav, Please see my answers below. -----Original Message----- From: Gaurav Bhargava [mailto:gauravb@future.futsoft.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:57 AM To: 'rohc' Subject: [rohc] Genration incrementation in RFC 2507 Hello All, I have a doubt regarding the generation value for Non TCP Header Compression as per IPHC. The RFC 2507 states that generation value is incremented “if the header changes the context” in the compressor. I understand the concept of streams for a Non TCP case is implementation based. But if we take a normal case where for IP/UDP header I take all the DEF fields to define a context and hence a stream. Meaning I take IP src, dest addr, UDP src, dest ports as the fields which identify a context. My question now is when one of these fields change, should I not go for a change in CID ? When the DEF fields change, it is a different packet stream and hence the CID changes. If so then in what scenarios do I increase the generation for a CID/Context ? There are a few cases in the RFC, in which the generation value is incremented, but the CID remains the same. One situation is, when any of the NOCHANGE field which is not part of the DEF changes, the generation value is incremented to indicate the new version of the context. There could be other situations like this mentioned in the RFC. Thanks in advance. Warm Regards, Gaurav Any other comments on this are welcome. Regards, Satya *************************************************************************** This message is proprietary to Future Software Limited (FSL) and is intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential information and should not be circulated or used for any purpose other than for what it is intended. If you have received this message in error, please notify the originator immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that you are strictly prohibited from using, copying, altering, or disclosing the contents of this message. FSL accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use of the information transmitted by this email including damage from virus. *************************************************************************** ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2B705.994BDB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tha= nks Satya.

I = got the point.

 

War= m Regards,

Gau= rav

-----Original Message-----
From: rohc-admin@ietf.org [mailto:rohc-admin@ietf.org]On = Behalf Of Dintakurthi, Satyanarayana V
Sent: Wednesday, 8 = January 2003 12:49 AM
To: = gauravb@future.futsoft.com; rohc
Subject: RE: [rohc] = Genration incrementation in RFC 2507

 

Hi Gaurav,

Please see my answers below.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gaurav Bhargava [mailto:gauravb@future.futsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January = 07, 2003 6:57 AM
To: 'rohc'
Subject: [rohc] Genration incrementation in RFC 2507

 

Hello All,

 <= font color=3Dblack>

I have a doubt regarding the generation value for Non TCP Header = Compression as per IPHC. 

The RFC 2507 states that generation value is incremented “if the = header changes the context” in the compressor.

 <= font color=3Dblack>

I understand the concept of streams for a Non TCP case is implementation = based. But if we take a normal case where for IP/UDP header I take all the DEF = fields to define a context and hence a stream. Meaning I take IP src, dest = addr, UDP src, dest ports as the fields which identify a = context.

 <= font color=3Dblack>

My question now is when one of these fields change, should I not go for a = change in CID ?

When the DEF = fields change, it is a different packet stream and hence the CID = changes.

 <= font color=3Dblack>

If so then in what scenarios do I increase the generation for a CID/Context = ?

There are a few = cases in the RFC, in which the generation value is incremented, but the CID = remains the same.

One situation = is, when any of the NOCHANGE field which is not part of the DEF changes, the = generation value is incremented to indicate the new version of the context. There = could be other situations like this mentioned in the = RFC.

 

 <= font color=3Dblack>

Thanks in advance.

 <= font color=3Dblack>

Warm Regards,

Gaurav<= font color=3Dblack>

 

Any other = comments on this are welcome.

Regards,

Satya

 

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2B705.994BDB00-- _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 10 06:28:57 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24891 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0ABf5V23727 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:41:05 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0ABf5J23724 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:41:05 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24848 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:28:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0ABedJ23703; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:40:40 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0ABdpJ23627 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:39:51 -0500 Received: from igate2.vodafone.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24820 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by igate2.vodafone.co.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id LAA10677; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:30:28 GMT Received: from putney.vfl.vodafone (putney [10.33.112.118]) by mailguard2 (4.6.1.123) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:26:40 GMT Received: from ukwmxc02.vf-uk.internal.vodafone.com ([10.33.126.170]) by putney.vfl.vodafone with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id YL9AH85F; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:29:20 -0000 Received: from ukwmxc03.vf-uk.internal.vodafone.com ([10.33.126.155]) by ukwmxc02.vf-uk.internal.vodafone.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:28:40 +0000 Received: from ukwmxm01.vf-uk.internal.vodafone.com ([10.33.126.162]) by ukwmxc03.vf-uk.internal.vodafone.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:28:40 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:28:40 -0000 Message-ID: <6FC554FA1F33BE4C9AC844FC3B3B71280D1461@UKWMXM01> Thread-Topic: Question about R-Mode and packet types Thread-Index: AcK4m6Huvo9RiCRyEdebOQBQBFRDqA== From: "Holmes, Matthew, CND Tech Dev, VF UK" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2003 11:28:40.0591 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CE0D1F0:01C2B89B] MIME-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Clearswift ES version 4.6.1.122) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h0ABdqJ23628 Subject: [rohc] Question about R-Mode and packet types Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All I'm a little confused with the following description in RFC 3095 section 5.5.1.2 where an example of an algorithm to update packets is given: Let pRTT be the number of packets that are sent during one round-trip time. In the SO state, when (64 - pRTT) headers have been sent since the last acked reference, the compressor will send m1 consecutive R-0-CRC headers, then send (pRTT - m1) R-0 headers. After these headers have been sent, if the compressor has not received an ACK to at least one of the previously sent R0-CRC, it sends R-0-CRC headers continuously until it receives a corresponding ACK. m1 is an implementation parameter, which can be as large as pRTT. I understand it up until the part when it says that if no ACK has been received R-0-CRC packets will be continuously sent. At some point though surely the compressor will have to start sending type 2 packets to included a larger SN. With the last ACKed reference number which the compressor has stored the SN in the R-0-CRC packet will become to small. Any help clarifying the above would be much appreciated, Thank you Matthew Holmes _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 10 06:44:18 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA25430 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0ABuQa24360 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:56:26 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0ABuQJ24357 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:56:26 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA25413 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0ABu7J24330; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:56:07 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0ABtSJ24296 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:55:28 -0500 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA25391 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.71]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0ABk4KX012866; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:46:04 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:46:00 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lars-Erik Jonsson (EAB)" To: "'Holmes, Matthew, CND Tech Dev, VF UK'" , rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] Question about R-Mode and packet types Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:45:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Matthew, You are totally correct, of course you will have to send "larger" headers if the information to send can not be conveyed with an R-0-CRC, that is a general compression principle. The text you refer to could have said "After these headers have been sent, if the compressor has not received an ACK to at least one of the previously sent R-0-CRC, it should not send R-0 headers before it receives a corresponding ACK." Cheers, /L-E > -----Original Message----- > From: Holmes, Matthew, CND Tech Dev, VF UK > [mailto:Matthew.Holmes@gb.vodafone.co.uk] > Sent: den 10 januari 2003 12:29 > To: rohc@ietf.org > Subject: [rohc] Question about R-Mode and packet types > > > Hi All > > I'm a little confused with the following description in RFC > 3095 section 5.5.1.2 where an example of an algorithm to > update packets is given: > > Let pRTT be the number of packets that are sent during one > round-trip time. In the SO state, when (64 - pRTT) headers > have been sent since the last acked reference, the compressor > will send m1 consecutive R-0-CRC headers, then send (pRTT - > m1) R-0 headers. After these headers have been sent, if the > compressor has not received an ACK to at least one of the > previously sent R0-CRC, it sends R-0-CRC headers continuously > until it receives a corresponding ACK. m1 is an > implementation parameter, which can be as large as pRTT. > > I understand it up until the part when it says that if no ACK > has been received R-0-CRC packets will be continuously sent. > At some point though surely the compressor will have to start > sending type 2 packets to included a larger SN. With the last > ACKed reference number which the compressor has stored the SN > in the R-0-CRC packet will become to small. > > Any help clarifying the above would be much appreciated, > > Thank you > > Matthew Holmes > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Sun Jan 12 03:01:05 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA06758 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 03:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0C8E7r18916 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 03:14:07 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0C8E7J18913 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 03:14:07 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA06744 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 03:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0C8DfJ18900; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 03:13:41 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0C8CFJ18875 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 03:12:15 -0500 Received: from dog.topology.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA06703 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 02:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from akenning@localhost) by dog.topology.org (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id h0C81rj06370; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:31:53 +1030 X-Authentication-Warning: dog.topology.org: akenning set sender to ak.rohc@topology.org using -f Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:31:53 +1030 From: Alan Kennington To: rohc@ietf.org Message-ID: <20030112183153.A6328@dog.topology.org> Reply-To: Alan Kennington Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i X-PGP-Key: http://www.topology.org/ak/key_ak2.asc X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: 8A7B 7A8E 1C02 8298 579F 1860 7D56 121B D363 329E Subject: [rohc] resource (CID) reclamation Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , How are CIDs reclaimed? I've looked through RFC 3095 several times, but I can't find the equivalent of a TCP "FIN" in the protocol. It seems like if the compressor allocated a CID, then it is allocated for life. Is the only way to terminate a context the issuing of an IR packet to establish a new context? This, however, seems to create a new context. Ideally there should be a fourth mode - non-existent mode - which means that the CID is completely free. This `non-existent mode' should ideally have a well-defined handshake protocol for mode transition like the other modes. But I see nothing like this. With UDP packets, you never know when the context is really finished. So I imagine you would time out a context after a long period of inactivity. And if you run out of CIDs, I imagine you reclaim the most idle open CID. If there is something in RFC 3095 which I have missed, please let me know. Cheers, Alan Kennington. -------------------------------------------------------------------- name: Dr. Alan Kennington website: http://www.topology.org/ city: Adelaide, South Australia coords: 138.59 E, 34.88 S timezone: UTC+1030 http://www.topology.org/site/timezone.html _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Sun Jan 12 11:05:56 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA11576 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0CGJ9B11563 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:19:09 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0CGJ8J11560 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:19:08 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA11564 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0CGIXJ11541; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:18:33 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0CGHmJ11518 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:17:48 -0500 Received: from gandalf.icr.a-star.edu.sg (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA11552 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwserver.icr.a-star.edu.sg (gwserver.icr.a-star.edu.sg [137.132.31.253]) by gandalf.icr.a-star.edu.sg (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h0CG89Xw027628 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:08:09 +0800 (SGT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([172.16.2.215]) by gwserver.icr.a-star.edu.sg; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:01:38 +0800 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 266E53290A; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:07:01 +0800 (SGT) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:07:01 +0800 From: Sukanta Kumar Hazra To: rohc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rohc] resource (CID) reclamation Message-ID: <20030112160701.GA13715@icr.a-star.edu.sg> Mail-Followup-To: rohc@ietf.org References: <20030112183153.A6328@dog.topology.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030112183153.A6328@dog.topology.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: Institute for Infocomm Research Phone: +65 68709338 PGP-KEY: http://www.icr.a-star.edu.sg/~sukanta/skhkey.asc PGP-ID: 0x8E084AD5 Key-Fingerprint: 9C0D B00C C62A 7059 5314 99FC CE90 478A 8E08 4AD5 Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , > With UDP packets, you never know when the context is really finished. > So I imagine you would time out a context after a long period of inactivity. > And if you run out of CIDs, I imagine you reclaim the most idle open CID. Yes, that is the desired approach. -- Sukanta _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 13 18:47:17 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28643 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0E019C00903 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:01:09 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0E019J00900 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:01:09 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28602 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0E00qJ00848; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:00:53 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0DNxVJ00753 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:59:31 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28536 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:45:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:48:26 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41805DF64F4@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "West, Mark (ITN)" To: Robert Sparks , "Surtees, Abigail" Cc: rohc@ietf.org, adam@dynamicsoft.com Subject: RE: [rohc] SigComp interoperability test Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:48:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Calling all potential sigcomp interoperability test victims... (and with many thanks to Robert, for your comments and suggestions for kicking off testing at SIPit.) I'm certainly keen to do some SigComp testing -- we've had the RFC for *ages* now! ;-) However (and this statement is verging on the heretical, but...) I don't really have any interest in SIP. Worse still, I don't have SigComp integrated with a SIP stack [*gasp*]. Now, it's clear that 'SigComp for SIP' is a pretty major area of testing for a lot of people, and that's cool. Personally, I also feel that there is a need for a degree of testing to be done purely at the SigComp level. The vexed question is: will there be a chance to do any of this at SIPit? (Would we even be allowed through the door?!) Anyway, this begs a couple of questions that I'll throw open to the floor... i) Is anyone else planning on attending SIPit with a view to doing SigComp testing (in any form?) ii) If your answer to (i) is 'yes', then are you prepared to spend more than half a day getting to grips with some dedicated SigComp interoperability issues? Don't be shy! Let me know what you think... TIA, Mark. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Sparks [mailto:rsparks@dynamicsoft.com] > Sent: 20 December 2002 16:45 > To: Surtees, Abigail > Cc: rohc@ietf.org; adam@dynamicsoft.com > Subject: Re: [rohc] SigComp interoperability test > > > > On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 13:04, Surtees, Abigail wrote: > > Hi, > > > > A quick question about the proposed SigComp testing at > SIPit, having had a look at the test description document... > > > > It looks like the plan is to test 'SIP over SigComp' - i.e. > with SigComp integrated into a SIP stack. Obviously we've > done a fair amount of UDVM testing (torture tests, etc.) and > a small amount of SigComp testing. So, can we assume that > SigComp itself will be sufficiently tested by the SIP > exchanges? (Or that SigComp will be previously/subsequently > tested in some (as yet undefined) standalone manner?) Is > anyone prepared to confirm or deny this assumption?! > > One way to get at least a thumbnail answer to that question > is to start > an outline of an interop statement for sigcomp and see how > much of that > statement could be filled out based on tests we're currently > describing. > That effort is also likely to suggest further tests we can > document and > perform. > > > > > Also how much time is going to be allocated to testing > SigComp at SIPit? (Our main interest would be in testing > SigComp -- we don't really have any interest in taking part > in general SIP tests...) > As much time as there is interest. We have a side area for multiparty > tests that run continually through the event. We typically have > coordinated efforts taking a half day each, but if there is a group > that wants to spend the whole week focusing on one thing, the > resources are there for them to do so. Realistically, I'd expect > there to be 1/2 to 1 day on this. > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Abbie > > > > Abbie Surtees > > Engineer > > Internet Applications and Mobility > > Roke Manor Research Ltd > > Tel: +44 (0) 1794 833131 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rohc mailing list > > Rohc@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > > > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 14 04:43:42 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA20042 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 04:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0E9vjF15120 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 04:57:45 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0E9vjJ15117 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 04:57:45 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA20033 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 04:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0E9vYJ15109; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 04:57:34 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0E9tIJ15045 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 04:55:19 -0500 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA19993 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 04:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.71]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0E9hwKW021775; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:43:59 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:43:58 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Jan Christoffersson (EAB)" To: "'West, Mark (ITN)'" , Robert Sparks , "Surtees, Abigail" Cc: rohc@ietf.org, adam@dynamicsoft.com Subject: RE: [rohc] SigComp interoperability test Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:33:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, Yes, Ericsson will be there with our implementation to do some SigComp testing. It would be good if we could agree on some high level test cases before the meeting. Is anyone else planning to participate in the SigComp testing? Nokia? Dynamicsoft? Regards Jan -----Original Message----- From: West, Mark (ITN) [mailto:mark.a.west@roke.co.uk] Sent: den 14 januari 2003 00:48 To: Robert Sparks; Surtees, Abigail Cc: rohc@ietf.org; adam@dynamicsoft.com Subject: RE: [rohc] SigComp interoperability test Calling all potential sigcomp interoperability test victims... (and with many thanks to Robert, for your comments and suggestions for kicking off testing at SIPit.) I'm certainly keen to do some SigComp testing -- we've had the RFC for *ages* now! ;-) However (and this statement is verging on the heretical, but...) I don't really have any interest in SIP. Worse still, I don't have SigComp integrated with a SIP stack [*gasp*]. Now, it's clear that 'SigComp for SIP' is a pretty major area of testing for a lot of people, and that's cool. Personally, I also feel that there is a need for a degree of testing to be done purely at the SigComp level. The vexed question is: will there be a chance to do any of this at SIPit? (Would we even be allowed through the door?!) Anyway, this begs a couple of questions that I'll throw open to the floor... i) Is anyone else planning on attending SIPit with a view to doing SigComp testing (in any form?) ii) If your answer to (i) is 'yes', then are you prepared to spend more than half a day getting to grips with some dedicated SigComp interoperability issues? Don't be shy! Let me know what you think... TIA, Mark. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Sparks [mailto:rsparks@dynamicsoft.com] > Sent: 20 December 2002 16:45 > To: Surtees, Abigail > Cc: rohc@ietf.org; adam@dynamicsoft.com > Subject: Re: [rohc] SigComp interoperability test > > > > On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 13:04, Surtees, Abigail wrote: > > Hi, > > > > A quick question about the proposed SigComp testing at > SIPit, having had a look at the test description document... > > > > It looks like the plan is to test 'SIP over SigComp' - i.e. > with SigComp integrated into a SIP stack. Obviously we've > done a fair amount of UDVM testing (torture tests, etc.) and > a small amount of SigComp testing. So, can we assume that > SigComp itself will be sufficiently tested by the SIP > exchanges? (Or that SigComp will be previously/subsequently > tested in some (as yet undefined) standalone manner?) Is > anyone prepared to confirm or deny this assumption?! > > One way to get at least a thumbnail answer to that question > is to start > an outline of an interop statement for sigcomp and see how > much of that > statement could be filled out based on tests we're currently > describing. > That effort is also likely to suggest further tests we can > document and > perform. > > > > > Also how much time is going to be allocated to testing > SigComp at SIPit? (Our main interest would be in testing > SigComp -- we don't really have any interest in taking part > in general SIP tests...) > As much time as there is interest. We have a side area for multiparty > tests that run continually through the event. We typically have > coordinated efforts taking a half day each, but if there is a group > that wants to spend the whole week focusing on one thing, the > resources are there for them to do so. Realistically, I'd expect > there to be 1/2 to 1 day on this. > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Abbie > > > > Abbie Surtees > > Engineer > > Internet Applications and Mobility > > Roke Manor Research Ltd > > Tel: +44 (0) 1794 833131 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rohc mailing list > > Rohc@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > > > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 14 10:42:25 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28337 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0EFuZQ06162 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:56:35 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0EFuZJ06159 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:56:35 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28239 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:41:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0EFuHJ06132; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:56:17 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0EFt9J06055 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:55:09 -0500 Received: from igate2.vodafone.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28043 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by igate2.vodafone.co.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id PAA02934; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:43:43 GMT Received: from putney.vfl.vodafone (putney [10.33.112.118]) by mailguard2 (4.6.1.123) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:40:22 GMT Received: from ukwmxc01.vf-uk.internal.vodafone.com (UKWMXC01.vfl.vodafone [10.33.126.160]) by putney.vfl.vodafone with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id YL9ANMGG; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:43:13 -0000 Received: from ukwmxc04.vf-uk.internal.vodafone.com ([10.33.126.173]) by ukwmxc01.vf-uk.internal.vodafone.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:42:25 +0000 Received: from ukwmxm01.vf-uk.internal.vodafone.com ([10.33.126.162]) by ukwmxc04.vf-uk.internal.vodafone.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:42:25 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:42:25 -0000 Message-ID: <6FC554FA1F33BE4C9AC844FC3B3B71280D1471@UKWMXM01> Thread-Topic: Channel Parameters Thread-Index: AcK746Fbc35DQCeWEdebOwBQBFRDqA== From: "Holmes, Matthew, CND Tech Dev, VF UK" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2003 15:42:25.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[897D8470:01C2BBE3] MIME-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Clearswift ES version 4.6.1.122) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h0EFt9J06056 Subject: [rohc] Channel Parameters Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All If no feedback path is available then U-Mode would be used. Can some one explain what happens with the channel parameters in this case? How would something like the PROFILES parameter be sent to the compressor? Although feedback is not required for U-Mode is it the case that a two-way link is mandatory for the link establishment? 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Title : SigComp Torture Tests Author(s) : R. Price, A. Surtees Filename : draft-price-rohc-sigcomp-torture-tests-01.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2003-1-14 This document provides a set of 'torture tests' for implementers of the SigComp protocol. The torture tests check each of the SigComp Universal Decompressor Virtual Machine instructions in turn, focusing in particular on the boundary and error cases that are not generally encountered when running well-behaved compression algorithms. Tests are also provided for other SigComp entities such as the dispatcher and the state handler. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-price-rohc-sigcomp-torture-tests-01.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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When this item was added, activity within the ROHC WG was high, and the addition was made as a prediction of future expectations rather than an outcome of well justified immediate requirements. Trying to fulfill this work item during the last year, we have repeatedly asked for contributions to SCTP header compression, but we have not received a single response. Given that this work item was originally added without immediate market pull, and considering the lack of current interest in doing the work (or even having it done at all), we intend to remove SCTP header compression from the ROHC WG charter. To keep it in the charter, justifications for developing SCTP header compression now would have to be presented, as well as industry support and commitments for doing the actual work. Barring further input, we will send a request to the ADs by Jan 24, so please reply before this date if you believe SCTP header compression should be on the agenda now. /Lars-Erik & Carsten _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 15 11:19:40 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA01801 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0FGYKr22654 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:34:20 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0FGYKJ22651 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:34:20 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA01780 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0FGY9J22624; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:34:09 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0FGXCJ22501 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:33:12 -0500 Received: from nmh.informatik.uni-bremen.de (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA01734 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from marie.local..informatik.uni-bremen.de (IDENT:MGlWFmp0zQLUwfRPokjeI4hvPnCe1G8m@roman.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.218.120]) by nmh.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id h0FGLHd25178; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 17:21:18 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50.2 (via feedmail 8 I) To: ROHC WG From: cabo@tzi.org (Carsten Bormann) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 17:20:59 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [rohc] WG last-call for ROHC MIB and related documents Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , ROHCers, In Atlanta, we said we were going to have another re-spin of the ROHC MIB to include LLA. This has now been available for nearly a month, and we believe the document has received enough review to issue the WG last-call. Together with this goes the terminology and examples document as additional explanatory material that at some point is expected to become part of the ROHC draft standard. Therefore, we are now issuing a WG last-call for the following two documents: draft-ietf-rohc-mib-rtp-05.txt (for publication as Proposed Standard) draft-ietf-rohc-terminology-and-examples-01.txt (for publication as Informational) This is a regular two-week WG last-call. Please direct WG last-call comments to the ROHC mailing list rohc@ietf.org before Wed, 2003-01-29, 18:00 UTC. Gruesse, Carsten _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 16 16:08:25 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA23995 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0GLNfW24364 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:23:41 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0GLNfJ24361 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:23:41 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA23978 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0GLNHJ24313; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:23:20 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0GLMfJ24275 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:22:41 -0500 Received: from marjan.fesb.hr (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA23964 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by marjan.fesb.hr (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) id h0GLAEtU018448; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:10:14 +0100 Received: from fesb.hr (demorgan.bit.fesb.hr [161.53.169.245]) (authenticated bits=0) by marjan.fesb.hr (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id h0GLAArM018435; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:10:12 +0100 Message-ID: <3E272072.8060907@fesb.hr> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:13:22 +0100 From: Julije Ozegovic Organization: FESB Split User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en, hr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rohc@ietf.org CC: "Lars-Erik Jonsson (EAB)" Subject: Re: [rohc] Removing SCTP header compression from the ROHC charter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ROHCers, I would like to inform you that our EPIC-Lite implementation (postgraduate students project at University of Split, FESB Split) successfully compiles SCTP profiles based on draft-west-sctp-epic-00.txt (already expired). However, I must admit that no compression - decompression testing has been done because no SCTP flow was available. We hope to include SCTP tests as soon as possible. EPIC-Lite implementation is based on draft-ietf-rohc-epic-lite-01.txt (already expired). The duration of project was one year (school year 2001/2002). The interoperability testing with Roke Manor reference implementation was successful. Currently, the code is being prepared for public release, GNU licence, as-is, together with all tests finished on Linux and Windows machines. We intend to inform ROHC community about the availability of code at the moment of release. Best regards, Julije Ozegovic Lars-Erik Jonsson (EAB) wrote: > ROHCers (cc sigtran & tsvwg), > > The current ROHC WG charter has SCTP header compression listed as > one of our work items. When this item was added, activity within > the ROHC WG was high, and the addition was made as a prediction of > future expectations rather than an outcome of well justified > immediate requirements. > > Trying to fulfill this work item during the last year, we have > repeatedly asked for contributions to SCTP header compression, but > we have not received a single response. > > Given that this work item was originally added without immediate > market pull, and considering the lack of current interest in doing > the work (or even having it done at all), we intend to remove SCTP > header compression from the ROHC WG charter. To keep it in the > charter, justifications for developing SCTP header compression now > would have to be presented, as well as industry support and > commitments for doing the actual work. > > Barring further input, we will send a request to the ADs by Jan 24, > so please reply before this date if you believe SCTP header > compression should be on the agenda now. > > /Lars-Erik & Carsten > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 17 02:43:07 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA14938 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0H7waY07530 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:58:36 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0H7wZJ07527 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:58:35 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA14932 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0H7wPJ07518; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:58:25 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0H7voJ07483 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:57:50 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA14921 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:45:11 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED4180663673A@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "West, Mark (ITN)" To: "'rohc@ietf.org'" Subject: RE: [rohc] Removing SCTP header compression from the ROHC charter Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:45:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi all, Just a couple of comments in passing... My view is that SCTP compression is going to be done, sooner or later. And rohc feels like a logical place to do it (but it would be nice if an SCTP activist could confirm, for example, that SCTP has a place in the mobile environment)... In practice, I assume that the main point of the request is to solicit assertions that SCTP compression is necessary? And I guess I'll have to leave that to others..! Technically, it's not immediately clear to me what work *needs* to be done on SCTP header compression, at least in the short term. After all, one of the questions has to be: can we re-use the approach being developed for TCP? The obvious next step, I suppose, would be an equivalent of the TCP behaviour (sorry, 'behavior') draft? Cheers, Mark. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lars-Erik Jonsson (EAB) > [mailto:Lars-Erik.Jonsson@epl.ericsson.se] > Sent: 15 January 2003 15:38 > To: 'rohc@ietf.org' > Cc: 'sigtran@ietf.org'; 'tsvwg@ietf.org'; Allison Mankin (E-mail) > Subject: [rohc] Removing SCTP header compression from the ROHC charter > > > ROHCers (cc sigtran & tsvwg), > > The current ROHC WG charter has SCTP header compression listed as > one of our work items. When this item was added, activity within > the ROHC WG was high, and the addition was made as a prediction of > future expectations rather than an outcome of well justified > immediate requirements. > > Trying to fulfill this work item during the last year, we have > repeatedly asked for contributions to SCTP header compression, but > we have not received a single response. > > Given that this work item was originally added without immediate > market pull, and considering the lack of current interest in doing > the work (or even having it done at all), we intend to remove SCTP > header compression from the ROHC WG charter. To keep it in the > charter, justifications for developing SCTP header compression now > would have to be presented, as well as industry support and > commitments for doing the actual work. > > Barring further input, we will send a request to the ADs by Jan 24, > so please reply before this date if you believe SCTP header > compression should be on the agenda now. > > /Lars-Erik & Carsten > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 17 04:53:18 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA16816 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 04:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0HA8oE16974 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 05:08:50 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HA8oJ16971 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 05:08:50 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA16811 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 04:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HA8NJ16949; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 05:08:23 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HA7BJ16537 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 05:07:11 -0500 Received: from tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA16791 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 04:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from venus.office (venus.office [10.1.1.11]) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0H9sTR61947; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:54:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from quittek@ccrle.nec.de) Received: from [10.1.1.128] (n-quittek.office [10.1.1.128]) by venus.office (Postfix on SuSE Linux eMail Server 3.0) with ESMTP id 650E484C57; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:02:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:55:32 +0100 From: Juergen Quittek To: Carsten Bormann , ROHC WG Subject: Re: [rohc] WG last-call for ROHC MIB and related documents Message-ID: <4737712.1042800932@[10.1.1.128]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.2 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ROHCers, In order to facilitate your review of draft-ietf-rohc-mib-rtp-05.txt, I point out the changes between version -04 and -05 below. The draft contains three MIB modules: ROHC-MIB, ROHC-UNCOMPRESSED-MIB, and ROHC-RTP-MIB. The ROHC-MIB module defines properties of ROHC instances, ROHC channels, ROHC profiles, and ROHC compressor and decompressor contexts. All managed objects in this module are assumed to be shared by all profiles. The ROHC-UNCOMPRESSED-MIB module extends the ROHC-MIB by managed objects that are specific to the ROHC uncompressed profile 0x0000 defined in RFC 3095. The ROHC-RTP-MIB module so far extended the ROHC-MIB by managed objects that are specific to the three other profiles defined in RFC 3095 (ROHC RTP profile 0x0001, ROHC UDP profile 0x0002, and ROHC ESP profile 0x0003. Since version -05 also the ROHC LLA profile 0x0005 (defined in RFC 3242) is supported by the ROHC-RTP-MIB module. For this purpose, the following managed objects were added to entries of the rohcRtpContextTable: rohcRtpContextAlwaysPad: "Boolean, only applicable to compressor contexts using the LLA profile. If its value is true, the compressor must pad every RHP packet with a minimum of one octet ROHC padding." REFERENCE "RFC 3242, Section 5.1.1" DEFVAL { false } rohcRtpContextLargePktsAllowed: "Boolean, only applicable to compressor contexts using the LLA profile. It specifies how to handle packets that do not fit any of the preferred packet sizes specified. If its value is true, the compressor must deliver the larger packet as-is and must not use segmentation. If it is set to false, the ROHC segmentation scheme must be used to split the packet into two or more segments, and each segment must further be padded to fit one of the preferred packet sizes." REFERENCE "RFC 3242, Section 5.1.1" DEFVAL { true } rohcRtpContextVerifyPeriod OBJECT-TYPE "This object is only applicable to compressor contexts using the LLA profile. It specifies the minimum frequency with which a packet validating the context must be sent. This tells the compressor that a packet containing a CRC field must be sent at least once every N packets, where N is the value of the object. A value of 0 indicates that periodical verifications are disabled." REFERENCE "RFC 3242, Section 5.1.1" DEFVAL { 0 } rohcRtpContextNHPs OBJECT-TYPE "This object is only applicable to contexts using the LLA profile. It contains the number of all no-header packets (NHP) sent or received in this context, respectively." REFERENCE "RFC 3242, Section 4.1.1." rohcRtpContextCSPs OBJECT-TYPE "This object is only applicable to contexts using the LLA profile. It contains the number of all context synchronization packets (CSP) sent or received in this context, respectively." REFERENCE "RFC 3242, Section 4.1.2." rohcRtpContextCCPs OBJECT-TYPE "This object is only applicable to contexts using the LLA profile. It contains the number of all context check packets (CCP) sent or received in this context, respectively." REFERENCE "RFC 3242, Section 4.1.3." rohcRtpContextPktsLostPhysical OBJECT-TYPE "This object is only applicable to decompressor contexts using the LLA profile. It contains the number of physical packet losses on the link between compressor and decompressor, that have been indicated to the decompressor." REFERENCE "RFC 3242, Section 5.1.2." rohcRtpContextPktsLostPreLink OBJECT-TYPE "This object is only applicable to decompressor contexts using the LLA profile. It contains the number of pre-link packet losses on the link between compressor and decompressor, that have been indicated to the decompressor." REFERENCE "RFC 3242, Section 5.1.2." The rohcRtpPacketSizeTable was extended such that in addition to "allowed" and "used" packet sizes (RFC 3095), it may also contain "preferred" packets sizes (RFC3242). If a packet sizes in the table is allowed, preferred, and/or used is indicated by three boolean managed objects called rohcRtpPacketSizeAllowed, rohcRtpPacketSizePreferred, and rohcRtpPacketSizeUsed. Additionally, the new managed object rohcRtpPacketSizeRestrictedType indicates restrictions of preferred sizes: rohcRtpPacketSizeRestrictedType SYNTAX INTEGER { nhpOnly(1), rhpOnly(2), noRestrictions(3) } DESCRIPTION "This object is only applicable to preferred packet sizes of compressor contexts using the LLA profile. When retrieved, it will indicate whether the packet size is preferred for NHP only, for RHP only, or for both of them." REFERENCE "RFC 3242, Section 5.1.1" Have fun with the review! Juergen -- Carsten Bormann wrote on 15 January 2003 17:20 +0100: > ROHCers, > > In Atlanta, we said we were going to have another re-spin of the ROHC > MIB to include LLA. This has now been available for nearly a month, > and we believe the document has received enough review to issue the WG > last-call. Together with this goes the terminology and examples > document as additional explanatory material that at some point is > expected to become part of the ROHC draft standard. > > Therefore, we are now issuing a WG last-call for the following two > documents: > > draft-ietf-rohc-mib-rtp-05.txt > (for publication as Proposed Standard) > > draft-ietf-rohc-terminology-and-examples-01.txt > (for publication as Informational) > > This is a regular two-week WG last-call. > > Please direct WG last-call comments to the ROHC mailing list > rohc@ietf.org before Wed, 2003-01-29, 18:00 UTC. > > Gruesse, Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 17 06:07:52 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA17992 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 06:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0HBNQg21614 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 06:23:26 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HBNQJ21611 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 06:23:26 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA17976 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 06:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HBNFJ21603; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 06:23:15 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HBMtJ21578 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 06:22:55 -0500 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA17967 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 06:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.69]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0HBABAv003250 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:10:11 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:10:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)" To: rohc@ietf.org Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:07:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Subject: [rohc] Torture test - 2.4. SHA-1 Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, The test of subject starts with 36480 available cpb (if defaut cycles_per_bit = 16 is used) in our implementation. I think it's all right, because the sigcomp message is 160 bytes long, thus available cpb = (1000 + 8 * 160) * 16 = 36480 < 66327 that the execution of the whole test costs. The result is decompression failure when trying to execute the 3rd SHA-1. I suggest that this should also be corrected in the next draft that it could be executed with default cpb. BR/Zacco _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 17 09:05:47 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA22659 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:05:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0HELNM01968 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:21:23 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HELNJ01965 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:21:23 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA22649 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HELDJ01952; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:21:13 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HEK3J01847 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:20:03 -0500 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA22605 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.69]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0HE78Aw003820; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:07:16 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:07:07 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)" To: "'Price, Richard'" , rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] COPY_LITERAL and COPY_OFFSET torture test Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:05:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, The updated draft still does not inform the users to set at least 32K UDVM memory. Either this notification should be inserted or the test should be modified that it can be run with UMS=2048. I vote for the latter one. If the parameters may change test by test, there should be a short configuration instruction at the beginning of each test. BR/Zacco -----Original Message----- From: Price, Richard [mailto:richard.price@roke.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:04 PM To: 'Mural Kumar'; rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] COPY_LITERAL and COPY_OFFSET torture test Hi Mural, You're right that some of the torture tests require more than 4K of UDVM memory. For this particular test a minimum of 32K is required, so it's correct for the UDVM to give an "out of memory" error when running with only 4K. Regards, Richard -----Original Message----- From: Mural Kumar [mailto:murali_gvl@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 2:55 AM To: rohc@ietf.org Subject: [rohc] COPY_LITERAL and COPY_OFFSET torture test Hi, I'm having problems with my UDVM on sigcomp torture test for COPY_LITERAL and COPY_OFFSET. Problem arises while executing LOAD ($offset, 1) instruction. The contents of udvm at address "offset" and "offset+1" are 0x40 and 0x40 before executing the LOAD instruction. So, LOAD fails claiming "address out of udvm memory" (I allocated 4k to UDVM). Does sigcomp tests expects 64k memory for UDVM? Did anyone had any problems executing this particular torture test? thanks in advance, murali. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 17 09:28:45 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23076 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0HEiMu03488 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:44:22 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HEiMJ03485 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:44:22 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23069 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HEi9J03475; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:44:09 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HEhVJ03452 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:43:31 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23049 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:30:43 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804A0F190@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "Price, Richard" To: "'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'" , rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] COPY_LITERAL and COPY_OFFSET torture test Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:30:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, Thanks for reminding me of this! I thought I'd updated all of the tests to run in 2K but it looks like I missed one. Let me know if there are any others so that they can be fixed in the next version of the draft. Regards, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: Lajos Zaccomer (ETH) [mailto:Lajos.Zaccomer@eth.ericsson.se] > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 2:05 PM > To: Price, Richard; rohc@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [rohc] COPY_LITERAL and COPY_OFFSET torture test > > > Hi, > > The updated draft still does not inform the users to set at > least 32K UDVM memory. Either this notification should be > inserted or the test should be modified that it can be run > with UMS=2048. I vote for the latter one. > If the parameters may change test by test, there should be a > short configuration instruction at the beginning of each test. > > BR/Zacco > > -----Original Message----- > From: Price, Richard [mailto:richard.price@roke.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:04 PM > To: 'Mural Kumar'; rohc@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [rohc] COPY_LITERAL and COPY_OFFSET torture test > > > Hi Mural, > > You're right that some of the torture tests require more than > 4K of UDVM memory. For this particular test a minimum of 32K is > required, so it's correct for the UDVM to give an "out of memory" > error when running with only 4K. > > Regards, > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mural Kumar [mailto:murali_gvl@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 2:55 AM > To: rohc@ietf.org > Subject: [rohc] COPY_LITERAL and COPY_OFFSET torture test > > > Hi, > I'm having problems with my UDVM on sigcomp torture test > for COPY_LITERAL and COPY_OFFSET. Problem arises while > executing LOAD ($offset, 1) instruction. The contents of udvm > at address "offset" and "offset+1" are 0x40 and 0x40 before > executing the LOAD instruction. So, LOAD fails claiming > "address out of udvm memory" (I allocated 4k to UDVM). > Does sigcomp tests expects 64k memory for UDVM? Did anyone > had any problems executing this particular torture test? > thanks in advance, > murali. > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 17 09:40:44 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23644 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0HEuL204356 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:56:21 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HEuLJ04353 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:56:21 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23635 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HEu9J04344; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:56:09 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HEtkJ04180 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:55:46 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23545 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:42:58 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804A0F191@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "Price, Richard" To: "'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'" , rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] Torture test - 2.4. SHA-1 Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:42:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, For this particular test we deliberately use more than the default number of UDVM cycles. It's important to test the SHA-1 instruction with the largest possible input size of 65535 bytes (e.g. to make sure that it doesn't cause any buffers to overflow), which means that the total cost of the test must be at least 2^16 UDVM cycles. Would it be useful to have a note in the draft pointing out that since the test needs a total of 66327 UDVM cycles, it must be executed with a cpb of at least 32? Regards, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: Lajos Zaccomer (ETH) [mailto:Lajos.Zaccomer@eth.ericsson.se] > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 11:08 AM > To: rohc@ietf.org > Subject: [rohc] Torture test - 2.4. SHA-1 > > > Hi, > > The test of subject starts with 36480 available cpb (if > defaut cycles_per_bit = 16 is used) in our implementation. I > think it's all right, because the sigcomp message is 160 > bytes long, thus available cpb = (1000 + 8 * 160) * 16 = > 36480 < 66327 that the execution of the whole test costs. The > result is decompression failure when trying to execute the 3rd SHA-1. > I suggest that this should also be corrected in the next > draft that it could be executed with default cpb. > > BR/Zacco > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 17 09:45:35 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23892 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0HF1Da04709 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:01:13 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HF1DJ04706 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:01:13 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23874 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HF13J04697; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:01:03 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HF05J04606 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:00:05 -0500 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23817 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.69]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0HElIKW006388; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:47:18 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:47:17 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)" To: "'Price, Richard'" , rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] Torture test - 2.4. SHA-1 Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:44:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, I think it would be useful to describe a default test configuration at the beginning, and any alteration from that should be indicated before each test. BR/Zacco -----Original Message----- From: Price, Richard [mailto:richard.price@roke.co.uk] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:43 PM To: 'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'; rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] Torture test - 2.4. SHA-1 Hi, For this particular test we deliberately use more than the default number of UDVM cycles. It's important to test the SHA-1 instruction with the largest possible input size of 65535 bytes (e.g. to make sure that it doesn't cause any buffers to overflow), which means that the total cost of the test must be at least 2^16 UDVM cycles. Would it be useful to have a note in the draft pointing out that since the test needs a total of 66327 UDVM cycles, it must be executed with a cpb of at least 32? Regards, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: Lajos Zaccomer (ETH) [mailto:Lajos.Zaccomer@eth.ericsson.se] > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 11:08 AM > To: rohc@ietf.org > Subject: [rohc] Torture test - 2.4. SHA-1 > > > Hi, > > The test of subject starts with 36480 available cpb (if > defaut cycles_per_bit = 16 is used) in our implementation. I > think it's all right, because the sigcomp message is 160 > bytes long, thus available cpb = (1000 + 8 * 160) * 16 = > 36480 < 66327 that the execution of the whole test costs. The > result is decompression failure when trying to execute the 3rd SHA-1. > I suggest that this should also be corrected in the next > draft that it could be executed with default cpb. > > BR/Zacco > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 17 09:55:43 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA24228 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0HFBLl05956 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:11:21 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HFBLJ05953 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:11:21 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA24209 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HFBBJ05943; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:11:11 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HFAGJ05886 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:10:16 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA24177 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:54:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:57:28 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804A0F192@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "Price, Richard" To: "'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'" , rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] Torture test - 2.4. SHA-1 Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:57:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, That sounds like a good idea, so I'll make sure to add it for the next version of the torture tests. Regards, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: Lajos Zaccomer (ETH) [mailto:Lajos.Zaccomer@eth.ericsson.se] > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 2:44 PM > To: Price, Richard; rohc@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [rohc] Torture test - 2.4. SHA-1 > > > Hi, > > I think it would be useful to describe a default test > configuration at the beginning, and any alteration from that > should be indicated before each test. > > BR/Zacco > > -----Original Message----- > From: Price, Richard [mailto:richard.price@roke.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:43 PM > To: 'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'; rohc@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [rohc] Torture test - 2.4. SHA-1 > > > Hi, > > For this particular test we deliberately use more than the > default number of UDVM cycles. It's important to test the SHA-1 > instruction with the largest possible input size of 65535 bytes > (e.g. to make sure that it doesn't cause any buffers to overflow), > which means that the total cost of the test must be at least 2^16 > UDVM cycles. > > Would it be useful to have a note in the draft pointing out that > since the test needs a total of 66327 UDVM cycles, it must be > executed with a cpb of at least 32? > > Regards, > > Richard > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lajos Zaccomer (ETH) [mailto:Lajos.Zaccomer@eth.ericsson.se] > > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 11:08 AM > > To: rohc@ietf.org > > Subject: [rohc] Torture test - 2.4. SHA-1 > > > > > > Hi, > > > > The test of subject starts with 36480 available cpb (if > > defaut cycles_per_bit = 16 is used) in our implementation. I > > think it's all right, because the sigcomp message is 160 > > bytes long, thus available cpb = (1000 + 8 * 160) * 16 = > > 36480 < 66327 that the execution of the whole test costs. The > > result is decompression failure when trying to execute the > 3rd SHA-1. > > I suggest that this should also be corrected in the next > > draft that it could be executed with default cpb. > > > > BR/Zacco > > _______________________________________________ > > Rohc mailing list > > Rohc@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > > > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 17 10:07:35 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA24912 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0HFNDQ06627 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:23:13 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HFNDJ06624 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:23:13 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA24766 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:07:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HFN0J06599; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:23:00 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HFKsJ06436 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:20:54 -0500 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA24661 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:04:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.68]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0HF85KV013867 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:08:05 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:08:05 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)" To: rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] Torture test - 2.10. INPUT-BITS Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:06:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, My result differs from what is given in the draft 0x0000 0002 0002 0013 0000 0003 001a 0038 by the exclamation mark: 0x0000 0002 0002 0013 (!) 0001 0006 000c 000d 0003 0x932e = (10)(0100)(110010)!(1)(110 There input_bit_order = 1, i.e. P=1. Then it should input 1 bit of value 1 to the LSB of address 71, as a result of which the OUTPUT will be 0001. Am I mistaken? BR/Zacco -----Original Message----- From: Price, Richard [mailto:richard.price@roke.co.uk] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:43 PM To: 'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'; rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] Torture test - 2.4. SHA-1 Hi, For this particular test we deliberately use more than the default number of UDVM cycles. It's important to test the SHA-1 instruction with the largest possible input size of 65535 bytes (e.g. to make sure that it doesn't cause any buffers to overflow), which means that the total cost of the test must be at least 2^16 UDVM cycles. Would it be useful to have a note in the draft pointing out that since the test needs a total of 66327 UDVM cycles, it must be executed with a cpb of at least 32? Regards, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: Lajos Zaccomer (ETH) [mailto:Lajos.Zaccomer@eth.ericsson.se] > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 11:08 AM > To: rohc@ietf.org > Subject: [rohc] Torture test - 2.4. SHA-1 > > > Hi, > > The test of subject starts with 36480 available cpb (if > defaut cycles_per_bit = 16 is used) in our implementation. I > think it's all right, because the sigcomp message is 160 > bytes long, thus available cpb = (1000 + 8 * 160) * 16 = > 36480 < 66327 that the execution of the whole test costs. The > result is decompression failure when trying to execute the 3rd SHA-1. > I suggest that this should also be corrected in the next > draft that it could be executed with default cpb. > > BR/Zacco > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Sun Jan 19 08:03:37 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19959 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:03:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0JDKCL01071 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:20:12 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0JDKCJ01068 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:20:12 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19954 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:03:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0JDJvJ01021; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:19:58 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0JDIRJ00997 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:18:27 -0500 Received: from maxwell3.pacific.net.sg (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19939 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer ([210.24.89.174]) by maxwell3.pacific.net.sg with SMTP id <20030119130443.TONN3916.maxwell3.pacific.net.sg@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 21:04:43 +0800 Message-Id: <4.0.1.20030119205309.0091fbb0@gwserver.icr.a-star.edu.sg> X-Sender: chankm@gwserver.icr.a-star.edu.sg X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 21:06:13 +0800 To: rohc@ietf.org From: Chan Kwang Mien In-Reply-To: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804A0F192@rsys002a.roke.co. uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [rohc] receiving uncompressed message Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , hi, i would like to know what would happen if a SigComp-enabled host receives uncompressed messages. can the first 5 bits of the first byte (which is 11111) of a SigComp message be used to detect whether the message is a SigComp message ? if it isn't then the message is an uncompressed message and would be passed to the application without going through SigComp progressing. Does it make sense ? Thanks!! regards, Kwang Mien _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 20 06:34:33 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA16831 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 06:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0KBpYc13041 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 06:51:34 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0KBpYJ13038 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 06:51:34 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA16811 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 06:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0KBpMJ13024; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 06:51:22 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0KBo9J12978 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 06:50:09 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA16759 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 06:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:35:58 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804A0F193@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "Price, Richard" To: "'Chan Kwang Mien'" , rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] receiving uncompressed message Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:35:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi Kwang Mien, The first 5 bits of the SigComp header are included so that SigComp messages can be distinguished from ordinary application messages. If the bits aren't set to "11111" then the message is ignored by SigComp and passed straight to the application. Regards, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: Chan Kwang Mien [mailto:chankm@icr.a-star.edu.sg] > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 1:06 PM > To: rohc@ietf.org > Subject: [rohc] receiving uncompressed message > > > hi, > > i would like to know what would happen if a SigComp-enabled host receives > uncompressed messages. > can the first 5 bits of the first byte (which is 11111) of a SigComp > message be used to detect whether the message is a SigComp message ? > if it isn't then the message is an uncompressed message and would be passed > to the application without going through SigComp progressing. > Does it make sense ? > > Thanks!! > > regards, > Kwang Mien > > > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 20 06:54:18 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA17229 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 06:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0KCBKD14599 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:11:20 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0KCBKJ14596 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:11:20 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA17209 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 06:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0KCBCJ14584; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:11:12 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0KCAwJ14561 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:10:58 -0500 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA17201 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 06:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.69]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0KBunKW020824 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:56:49 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:56:40 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)" To: "'rohc@ietf.org'" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:55:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Subject: [rohc] Torture Test - 2.12. INPUT-BYTES Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, I have problem with the output of test 2.12 (INPUT-BYTES): The output area lies from 72 (byte_copy_left = 72) to 75 inclusive (byte_copy_right = 76). Initially input_bit_order = 0. Let's see the execution of the code step by step: * INPUT-BITS ($input_bit_order, result, end_of_message) this line inputs 0 bits, so the output is 0x0000 (OK) * ADD ($input_bit_order, 2) REMAINDER ($input_bit_order, 7) input_bit_order = 2, i.e. H = 1 that does not impact the next INPUT-BYTE * INPUT-BYTES ($input_bit_order, output_start, end_of_message) OUTPUT (output_start, $input_bit_order) inputs 2 bytes, so the output is 0x932E (OK) * ADD ($input_bit_order, 1) input_bit_order = 3, i.e. H = 1 and P = 1, then start again * INPUT-BITS ($input_bit_order, result, end_of_message) inputs 3 bits in MSB to LSB order (001), so the output is 0x0001 (OK) * ADD ($input_bit_order, 2) REMAINDER ($input_bit_order, 7) input_bit_order = 5, i.e. F = 1, P = 1, but for INPUT-BYTES only P is interesting * INPUT-BYTES ($input_bit_order, output_start, end_of_message) OUTPUT (output_start, $input_bit_order) The remaining 5 bits of AC are discarded. The 5 bytes read are: 8e 66 1b f6 8d. As the fifth bytes overwrites the first one in the memory, the output area contains 8d 66 1b f6. The five output bytes should then be: 8d 66 1b f6 8d. The torture test doc instead says: b166 d86f b100 ... Am I again mistaken? BR/Zacco _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 20 08:34:50 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19668 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0KDpt820163 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:51:55 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0KDptJ20160 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:51:55 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19662 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0KDpeJ20151; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:51:41 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0KDohJ20121 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:50:43 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19618 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:36:32 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804B885BA@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "Surtees, Abigail" To: "'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'" , rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] Torture test - 2.10. INPUT-BITS Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:36:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi Zacco, The original message is 0x932e ac71 = 10010011 00101110 10101100 01110001 As you say the first bits read are split as follows (10)(0100)(110010) which leaves 4 bits of the 2nd byte remaining. At this point P changes to 1 which means that the remainder of the second byte (that is 1110) should be thrown away, according to section 8.2. Then 1 bit is read from the 3rd byte but from the least significant bits first - that is 1010110(0) so the bit read is 0. The next time 3 bits are read 1010(110)(0) and so on. Best regards, Abbie > >My result differs from what is given in the draft > > 0x0000 0002 0002 0013 0000 0003 001a 0038 > >by the exclamation mark: > > 0x0000 0002 0002 0013 (!) 0001 0006 000c 000d 0003 > >0x932e = (10)(0100)(110010)!(1)(110 > >There input_bit_order = 1, i.e. P=1. Then it should input 1 >bit of value 1 to the LSB of address 71, as a result of which >the OUTPUT will be 0001. > >Am I mistaken? > >BR/Zacco > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 20 08:48:20 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA20144 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0KE5PQ20831 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:05:25 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0KE5PJ20828 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:05:25 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA20124 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0KE5BJ20804; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:05:11 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0KE4KJ20767 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:04:20 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA20099 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:50:08 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804B885BB@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "Surtees, Abigail" To: "'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'" , "'rohc@ietf.org'" Subject: RE: [rohc] Torture Test - 2.12. INPUT-BYTES Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:50:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi Zacco, >input_bit_order = 5, i.e. F = 1, P = 1, but for INPUT-BYTES >only P is interesting > >* INPUT-BYTES ($input_bit_order, output_start, end_of_message) > OUTPUT (output_start, $input_bit_order) > >The remaining 5 bits of AC are discarded. The 5 bytes read >are: 8e 66 1b f6 8d. As the fifth bytes overwrites the first >one in the memory, the output area contains 8d 66 1b f6. The >five output bytes should then be: 8d 66 1b f6 8d. The torture >test doc instead says: b166 d86f b100 ... > Input bytes doesn't take any account of input_bit_order. In particular, it takes no notice of the P bit. The 5 bits of AC are discarded, as you say. Then the next 5 bytes of the message are read straight in - that is 71 66 d8 6f b1 from the compressed message. Then the output area contains b1 66 d8 6f and the output becomes b1 66 d8 6f b1. In using INPUT-BYTES there is no swapping the order of the bits. I hope this helps. Best regards, Abbie >Am I again mistaken? > >BR/Zacco > > >_______________________________________________ >Rohc mailing list >Rohc@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 20 16:05:29 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00874 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:05:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0KLMfw15080 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:22:41 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0KLMfJ15077 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:22:41 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00808 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0KLMRJ15029; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:22:27 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0KLJrJ14870 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:19:53 -0500 Received: from marjan.fesb.hr (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00650 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by marjan.fesb.hr (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) id h0KL5Xbm030766 for rohc@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:05:33 +0100 Received: from fesb.hr (demorgan.bit.fesb.hr [161.53.169.245]) (authenticated bits=0) by marjan.fesb.hr (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id h0KL5VrM030759 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:05:31 +0100 Message-ID: <3E2C6546.9020702@fesb.hr> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:08:22 +0100 From: Julije Ozegovic Organization: FESB Split User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en, hr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rohc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [rohc] EPIC-Lite software released version 1.00 Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ROHCers, EPIC-Lite implementation release 1.00 is available on http://www.epic-lite.org Program is based on draft-ietf-rohc-epic-lite-01.txt (already expired). Test files are included for reference. Best regards, Julije Ozegovic _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 21 03:24:11 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA23516 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 03:24:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0L8fdH30965 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 03:41:39 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0L8fcJ30962 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 03:41:38 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA23509 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 03:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0L8fRJ30951; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 03:41:27 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0L8efJ30917 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 03:40:41 -0500 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA23501 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 03:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.69]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0L8Q7Av021561; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:26:07 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:26:07 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)" To: "'Surtees, Abigail'" , "'rohc@ietf.org'" Subject: RE: [rohc] Torture Test - 2.12. INPUT-BYTES Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:24:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h0L8efJ30918 Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Thanx for the answers! INPUT-BITS all right now. However, I have doubts on what you said about INPUT-BYTES. The RFC says (page 31): "The P-bit controls the order in which bits are passed from the dispatcher to the INPUT instructions." As one byte is comprised of 8 bits, it is quite straightforward to understand this way. I must say that the RFC is again not clear enough! Also, check this mail on the list: From: "West, Mark (ITN)" To: Zoltan Barczikay Cc: rohc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rohc] SigComp: input_bit_order question... Zoltán's mail stated that P applies to INPUT-BYTES as well, which was not objected by Mark or anybody else. According to the RFC, both explanations seem acceptable to me. But what is the truth? BR/Zacco -----Original Message----- From: Surtees, Abigail [mailto:abigail.surtees@roke.co.uk] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 2:50 PM To: 'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'; 'rohc@ietf.org' Subject: RE: [rohc] Torture Test - 2.12. INPUT-BYTES Hi Zacco, >input_bit_order = 5, i.e. F = 1, P = 1, but for INPUT-BYTES >only P is interesting > >* INPUT-BYTES ($input_bit_order, output_start, end_of_message) > OUTPUT (output_start, $input_bit_order) > >The remaining 5 bits of AC are discarded. The 5 bytes read >are: 8e 66 1b f6 8d. As the fifth bytes overwrites the first >one in the memory, the output area contains 8d 66 1b f6. The >five output bytes should then be: 8d 66 1b f6 8d. The torture >test doc instead says: b166 d86f b100 ... > Input bytes doesn't take any account of input_bit_order. In particular, it takes no notice of the P bit. The 5 bits of AC are discarded, as you say. Then the next 5 bytes of the message are read straight in - that is 71 66 d8 6f b1 from the compressed message. Then the output area contains b1 66 d8 6f and the output becomes b1 66 d8 6f b1. In using INPUT-BYTES there is no swapping the order of the bits. I hope this helps. Best regards, Abbie >Am I again mistaken? > >BR/Zacco > > >_______________________________________________ >Rohc mailing list >Rohc@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 22 02:20:54 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA10041 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0M7cnR31479 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:38:49 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0M7cnJ31476 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:38:49 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA09369 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0M7cWJ31467; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:38:33 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0LKvkJ15344 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:57:46 -0500 Received: from zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA11458 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:39:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from zrc2c001.us.nortel.com (zrc2c001.us.nortel.com [47.103.121.31]) by zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h0LKhC616923 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:43:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from zrc2c009.us.nortel.com ([47.103.120.49]) by zrc2c001.us.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id ZC52X89C; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:42:59 -0600 Received: from iqmail.net (chowdury-2.us.nortel.com [47.103.84.30]) by zrc2c009.us.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id VSN2SDSW; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:42:58 -0600 Message-ID: <3E2DAFC2.40104@iqmail.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:38:26 -0600 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Kuntal Chowdhury User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rohc@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [rohc] comment on ROHC-TCP Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks, I think we need to separate the issues between a single short lived TCP connection (rare event) from multiple (near-)simultaneous short lived TCP connections. The reason being, the scenario of single short lived TCP connection applies to both HTTP1.0 and 1.1, however the scenario of multiple short lived (near-)simultaneous TCP connections may be a problem with HTTP1.0 only (HTTP1.1 solves the problem with persistence and pipelining as default behavior). Therefore I suggest, we split section 3.3 to discuss single short lived and multiple (near-)simultaneous short lived TCP connections separately. Thoughts? -Kuntal _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 23 04:03:26 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA00799 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 04:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0N9Lrf08838 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 04:21:53 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0N9LqJ08833 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 04:21:52 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA00790 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 04:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0N9LVJ08814; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 04:21:32 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0N9K7J08750 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 04:20:07 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA00750 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 04:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:04:33 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804B885CC@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "Surtees, Abigail" To: "'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'" , "'rohc@ietf.org'" Subject: RE: [rohc] Torture Test - 2.12. INPUT-BYTES Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:04:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h0N9K8J08751 Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Zacco, The INPUT-BITS and INPUT-HUFFMAN sections both reference section 8.2 (the input_bit_order section) whereas the INPUT-BYTES does not. The reference you make to page 31 is written within section 8.2, the second paragraph of which begins 'Note that the INPUT-BITS and INPUT-HUFFMAN instructions receive a stream of individual compressed bits...' and doesn't mention INPUT-BYTES. I think the intention of the authors was that the P bit should not affect INPUT-BYTES but I think it could be made clearer. Best Regards, Abbie >-----Original Message----- >From: Lajos Zaccomer (ETH) [mailto:Lajos.Zaccomer@eth.ericsson.se] >Sent: 21 January 2003 08:24 >To: Surtees, Abigail; 'rohc@ietf.org' >Subject: RE: [rohc] Torture Test - 2.12. INPUT-BYTES > > >Hi, > >Thanx for the answers! INPUT-BITS all right now. >However, I have doubts on what you said about INPUT-BYTES. The >RFC says (page 31): "The P-bit controls the order in which >bits are passed from the dispatcher to the INPUT >instructions." As one byte is comprised of 8 bits, it is quite >straightforward to understand this way. I must say that the >RFC is again not clear enough! > >Also, check this mail on the list: > >From: "West, Mark (ITN)" >To: Zoltan Barczikay >Cc: rohc@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [rohc] SigComp: input_bit_order question... > >Zoltán's mail stated that P applies to INPUT-BYTES as well, >which was not objected by Mark or anybody else. > >According to the RFC, both explanations seem acceptable to me. >But what is the truth? > >BR/Zacco > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 23 07:02:09 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA03627 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0NCKcR19532 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:20:38 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0NCKcJ19529 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:20:38 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA03616 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0NCJOJ19471; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:19:24 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0NCImJ19452 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:18:48 -0500 Received: from igate2.vodafone.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA03583 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 06:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by igate2.vodafone.co.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id MAA16795; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:03:12 GMT Received: from putney.vfl.vodafone (putney [10.33.112.118]) by mailguard1 (4.6.1.123) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:03:39 GMT Received: from ukwmxc02.vf-uk.internal.vodafone.com ([10.33.126.170]) by putney.vfl.vodafone with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id YL9A7NGG; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:02:42 -0000 Received: from ukwmxc04.vf-uk.internal.vodafone.com ([10.33.126.173]) by ukwmxc02.vf-uk.internal.vodafone.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:01:54 +0000 Received: from ukwmxm01.vf-uk.internal.vodafone.com ([10.33.126.162]) by ukwmxc04.vf-uk.internal.vodafone.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:01:54 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:01:54 -0000 Message-ID: <6FC554FA1F33BE4C9AC844FC3B3B71280D1489@UKWMXM01> Thread-Topic: Question about Channel Parameters and U-Mode Thread-Index: AcLC11Ku6I50KS6oEdebQABQBFRDqA== From: "Holmes, Matthew, CND Tech Dev, VF UK" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2003 12:01:54.0648 (UTC) FILETIME=[38CC8580:01C2C2D7] MIME-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Clearswift ES version 4.6.1.122) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h0NCImJ19453 Subject: [rohc] Question about Channel Parameters and U-Mode Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All I'm a bit confused about how channel parameters are negotiated in U-Mode. If no feedback path is available then U-Mode would be used. Can some one explain what happens with the channel parameters in this case? How would something like the PROFILES parameter be sent to the compressor? Although feedback is not required for U-Mode is a two-way link mandatory for the link establishment? Any help would be appreciated, Thank you Matthew Holmes _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 23 07:05:44 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA03705 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0NCOE119703 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:24:14 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0NCODJ19700 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:24:13 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA03702 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0NCO2J19683; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:24:02 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0NCNGJ19662 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:23:16 -0500 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA03673 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:04:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.71]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0NC7fAx023272; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:07:41 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:07:41 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lars-Erik Jonsson (EAB)" To: "'Holmes, Matthew, CND Tech Dev, VF UK'" , rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] Question about Channel Parameters and U-Mode Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:57:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Matthew, According to RFC 3095 section 4.1 (page 19): Negotiation In addition to the packet handling mechanisms above, the link layer MUST provide a way to negotiate header compression parameters, see also section 5.1.1. (For unidirectional links, this negotiation may be performed out-of-band or even a priori.) BR /L-E > -----Original Message----- > From: Holmes, Matthew, CND Tech Dev, VF UK > [mailto:Matthew.Holmes@gb.vodafone.co.uk] > Sent: den 23 januari 2003 13:02 > To: rohc@ietf.org > Subject: [rohc] Question about Channel Parameters and U-Mode > > > Hi All > > I'm a bit confused about how channel parameters are > negotiated in U-Mode. If no feedback path is available then > U-Mode would be used. > Can some one explain what happens with the channel parameters > in this case? > How would something like the PROFILES parameter be sent to > the compressor? > Although feedback is not required for U-Mode is a two-way > link mandatory for the link establishment? > > Any help would be appreciated, > > Thank you > > Matthew Holmes > > > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 23 07:40:00 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA04439 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:40:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0NCwUR21786 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:58:30 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0NCwUJ21783 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:58:30 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA04430 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:39:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0NCwHJ21772; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:58:17 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0NCvwJ21736 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:57:58 -0500 Received: from dog.topology.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA04409 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from akenning@localhost) by dog.topology.org (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id h0NCgCN15099; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:12:12 +1030 X-Authentication-Warning: dog.topology.org: akenning set sender to ak.rohc@topology.org using -f Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:12:12 +1030 From: Alan Kennington To: "Lars-Erik Jonsson (EAB)" Cc: rohc@ietf.org, Alan Kennington Subject: Re: [rohc] Question about Channel Parameters and U-Mode Message-ID: <20030123231212.A15041@dog.topology.org> Reply-To: Alan Kennington References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: ; from Lars-Erik.Jonsson@epl.ericsson.se on Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 12:57:26PM +0100 X-PGP-Key: http://www.topology.org/ak/key_ak2.asc X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: 8A7B 7A8E 1C02 8298 579F 1860 7D56 121B D363 329E Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 12:57:26PM +0100, Lars-Erik Jonsson (EAB) wrote: > Matthew, > > According to RFC 3095 section 4.1 (page 19): > > Negotiation > > In addition to the packet handling mechanisms above, the link > layer MUST provide a way to negotiate header compression > parameters, see also section 5.1.1. (For unidirectional links, > this negotiation may be performed out-of-band or even a priori.) > > > BR > /L-E This does raise the question as to whether, for the sake of better standardisation, there should be a specified preferred a-priori set of parameters for each link type. For example, for PPP links, rfc3241, these parameters could be assumed: MAX_CID 15 MRRU 0 MAX_HEADER 168 PROFILES 0x0000, 0x0001, 0x0002 Then if you had two different brands of ROHC/PPP software from different vendors, you should be able to get them interworking on a simplex link without sending round the carrier pigeon. In fact, on a simplex link, the above parameters are only relevant to _ability_ to receive something - they do not affect the actual interpretation of anything. Therefore I conclude that, more or less, parameter negotiation is superfluous on a simplex link, and maybe for duplex also, if you assume that all implementations wake up as above or with larger numbers or sets. All you really need to know is that the other side has an ROHC implementation. A fly in the ointment here is the fact that the PPP standard says categorically (RFC 1661, p.1): The point-to-point Protocol is designed for simple links which transport packets between two peers. These links provide full-duplex simultaneous bi-directional operation, ... PPP implementations (such as linux) seems to not allow a single packet to pass until at least one LCP packet is received. Therefore the problem lies in PPP, not in ROHC/PPP. Maybe a set of standard out-of-the-box null-negotiation parameters could be specified in RFC 3241 to take care of simplex links!? 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Yes, this could be appropriate for simplex links. However, we do not handle such link specific issues in the IETF. We do define the operation for PPP, but other bodies have to handle this for other links. That is what we have done in ROHC, in the same way as for previous compression schemes. > For example, for PPP links, rfc3241, these parameters could > be assumed: > > MAX_CID 15 > MRRU 0 > MAX_HEADER 168 > PROFILES 0x0000, 0x0001, 0x0002 Well, I am not sure one can specify a default for PROFILES. If there is a way no negotiate, one should absolutely use that. > Then if you had two different brands of ROHC/PPP software from > different vendors, you should be able to get them interworking > on a simplex link without sending round the carrier pigeon. Hmmm...PPP is not for simplex links...so the above suggestion does not really compile. But I agree that this approach would be a candidate for simplex links. That is what is meant with a priori, as suggested by 3095. > Therefore I conclude that, more or less, parameter negotiation is > superfluous on a simplex link, and maybe for duplex also, > if you assume that all implementations wake up as above or with > larger numbers or sets. > All you really need to know is that the other side has an > ROHC implementation. You would still have to negotiate (at least) profiles, and it is useful to have negotiation also for the other parameters. In any case, this is a link-specific issue that must be addressed for each link type. For PPP, all parameters are negotiated, as defined by RFC 3241. > Maybe a set of standard out-of-the-box null-negotiation parameters > could be specified in RFC 3241 to take care of simplex links!? RFC 3241 defines ROHC-over-PPP, which is for duplex links. To summarize, this is an issue for bodies responsible of simplex links where one wants to use ROHC, it is not within our scope. Cheers, /L-E _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 23 12:01:01 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA13294 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0NHJaw08906 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:19:36 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0NHJaJ08903 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:19:36 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA13275 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0NHJKJ08870; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:19:20 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0NHH5J08648 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:17:05 -0500 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA13198 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.71]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0NH1NKV009888; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:01:23 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:01:23 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lars-Erik Jonsson (EAB)" To: ROHC WG , "Juergen Quittek (E-mail)" Subject: RE: [rohc] WG last-call for ROHC MIB and related documents Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:51:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi all, I have reviewed the MIB document and it looks overall very good. I have noticed the following that should be addressed: - The document should have an IANA Considerations section for the new IANA registrations, both a listing of the new registrations and a "TO BE REMOVED BEFORE PUBLICATION" request text addressed to the IANA). - The TOC is a little bit hard to read. It would be clearer by writing e.g. "2. The SNMP..." instead or "2 The SNMP..." - Last paragraph above section 4.1. should be rewritten to be clearer about which two MIB's are referred to. - In section 4.1.2, clarify that "feedback for" only applies if the channel is actually transmitting any feedback, either as a dedicated feedback channel or interspersed/piggybacked. - In section 4.1.4, title of first bullet list, should be "attributes", not "attribute". - In section 4.1.4, statistics list, fourth bullet, should say "context", not "conrtext". - In section 4.1.4, statistics list, "mean packet size" bullets (both), should say "packet size" and "compressed packets" instead of "packets size" and "packets". - In section 4.1.4, statistics list, "mean header size" bullets (both), should say "passing" instead of "in". - On page 11, "rohcChannelType", DESCRIPTION, missing "m" on "might". - On page 12, "rohcInstanceTable", DESCRIPTION, end of description should read "used for each ROHC instance" instead of "used for ROHC". - On page 15, "rohcInstanceLargeCIDs", DESCRIPTION, should say "returns true if the embedded" instead of "returns true, the embedded" - On page 15, "rohcInstanceMRRU", DESCRIPTION, first sentence has no end, ends with "according to." - On page 15, "rohcInstanceContextStorageTime", DESCRIPTION, refers to "rohcInstanceContextExpireTime", which does not exist. Should probably say "rohcInstanceContextStorageTime". - On page 16, "rohcInstancePackets", DESCRIPTION, something is missing in the sentence "Counter of passing this instance". - The most significant problem found is about the ProfileTable, page 17-18. Both compressor and decompressor instances have support for certain profiles, and one should be able to see which profiles are supported and the properties of the various profile implementations, independent of if the instance is a compressor or a decompressor. What should also be readable would be information of which profiles are active, i.e. have been negotiated to be used on an instance. As we have noticed during the last year, RFC 3095 is rather confusing in this regard. So, I would propose the following: 1) Change the DESCRIPTION for "rohcProfileTable" to: "This table lists a set of profiles supported by the instance." 2) Change the DESCRIPTION for "rohcProfileEntry" to: "An entry describing a particular profile supported by the instance." 3) Change the DESCRIPTION for "rohcProfile to: "Identifier of a profile supported. For a listing of possible profile values, see the IANA registry for ROHC profiles [PROFILES]." 4) Add the following normative reference: [PROFILES] "RObust Header Compression (ROHC) Profile Identifiers", IANA registry at: 5) Add the following to "RohcProfileEntry": rohcProfileNegotiated TruthValue 6) Add: rohcProfileNegotiated OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX TruthValue MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "When retrieved, this boolean object returns true if the profile has been negotiated to be used at the instance, i.e. is supported also be the corresponding compressor/decompressor." ::= { rohcProfileEntry 7 } - On page 21, "rohcContextStorageTime", the indentation is wrong (at least 3 spaces more than elsewhere). - On page 33, "rohcContextState", there is a (to me) unknown state listed, "normal(2)". I do not know where this comes from, but I am pretty sure it should not be there. Make it 6 states by removing "normal". This affects both SYNTAX and DESCRIPTION. - Section 6, end of 7th line, should say "rows", not "row". - Section 8.1, please change the way my name is written in the second and third references, should be written "L-E.", not "L.-E.". Thanks! That's all! Cheers, /L-E > -----Original Message----- > From: cabo@tzi.org [mailto:cabo@tzi.org] > Sent: den 15 januari 2003 17:21 > To: ROHC WG > Subject: [rohc] WG last-call for ROHC MIB and related documents > > > ROHCers, > > In Atlanta, we said we were going to have another re-spin of the ROHC > MIB to include LLA. This has now been available for nearly a month, > and we believe the document has received enough review to issue the WG > last-call. Together with this goes the terminology and examples > document as additional explanatory material that at some point is > expected to become part of the ROHC draft standard. > > Therefore, we are now issuing a WG last-call for the following two > documents: > > draft-ietf-rohc-mib-rtp-05.txt > (for publication as Proposed Standard) > > draft-ietf-rohc-terminology-and-examples-01.txt > (for publication as Informational) > > This is a regular two-week WG last-call. > > Please direct WG last-call comments to the ROHC mailing list > rohc@ietf.org before Wed, 2003-01-29, 18:00 UTC. > > Gruesse, Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 23 13:09:04 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15304 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0NIRfH13439 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:27:41 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0NIRfJ13436 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:27:41 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15289 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0NIRPJ13427; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:27:25 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0NIQAJ13368 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:26:10 -0500 Received: from mail.cit.ie (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15272 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from EEB174W2Kvk (unverified [157.190.81.172]) by cit.ie (Rockliffe SMTPRA 5.2.5) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:00:28 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Valerie Kenneally" To: Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:10:47 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [rohc] SigComp and State Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I am currently studying SigComp and am trying to understand each of the different entities it entails. RFC 3320 has the following explanation "State Handler-the entity that can store and retrieve state. State is information that is stored between SigComp messages, avoiding the need to upload the data on a per-message basis." I am trying to comprehend this idea of "State". So I have the following questions: 1. Is state the uncompressed message details that are being sent on the compressor side and the decompressed message on the receiving/decompressor side? 2. If this is the case and we create a state identifier on the compressor side for the first message ever to be transmitted, is this state identifier transmitted to the remote end-point along with the SigComp message, not for decompression purposes in this case but in order to save state in the decompressor side? 3. If we send a Sigcomp message with a state identifier to be used for decompression then are the state identifiers existent in the two communicating endpoints mirror images of each other? In other words do we have mirror compartments at communicating entities? Really hoping someone can clear up my understanding Regards, Val -------------------Legal Disclaimer--------------------------------------- The above electronic mail transmission is confidential and intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Its contents may be protected by legal and/or professional privilege. Should it be received by you in error please contact the sender at the above quoted email address. Any unauthorised form of reproduction of this message is strictly prohibited. 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I've got a bunch of updates for the TCP behavior (thanks to a number of very useful comments from various people) -- and this has reminded me to post a proposed update! Broadly speaking, I agree with your distinction. However, it raises a couple of interesting points. For example, it is perhaps worth pointing out that 'short-lived' doesn't necessarily relate to the duration for which the connection is open, but rather the volume of data that is transferred. So, for example, the FTP control connection could be regarded as short-lived (at leat compared with the data connection)?! (I don't know if that necessarily makes an isolated short-lived connection less rare, though...) In principle, your comments about HTTP/1.0 vs HTTP/1.1 make sense. But if I understand it correctly, the benefits of HTTP/1.1 rely upon agreement between the browser and server and the appropriate configuration of both (certainly of the server)? You can certainly still have multiple connections to the server with HTTP/1.1. I'd certainly appreciate input on this application-layer behaviour, as it impacts on the transport. Anyway, I'll propose some updated (behaviour) text in the next few days. Cheers, Mark. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kuntal Chowdhury [mailto:kuntal@iqmail.net] > Sent: 21 January 2003 20:38 > To: rohc@ietf.org > Subject: [rohc] comment on ROHC-TCP > > > Hello folks, > I think we need to separate the issues between a single short > lived TCP > connection (rare event) from multiple (near-)simultaneous short lived > TCP connections. The reason being, the scenario of single short lived > TCP connection applies to both HTTP1.0 and 1.1, however the > scenario of > multiple short lived (near-)simultaneous TCP connections may be a > problem with HTTP1.0 only (HTTP1.1 solves the problem with > persistence > and pipelining as default behavior). Therefore I suggest, we split > section 3.3 to discuss single short lived and multiple > (near-)simultaneous short lived TCP connections separately. > > Thoughts? > > -Kuntal > > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 24 03:25:20 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA12802 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0O8iFI11851 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:44:15 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0O8iEJ11847 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:44:14 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA12796 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0O8hxJ11830; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:43:59 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0O8g9J11765 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:42:09 -0500 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA12757 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.71]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0O8QAKX002866 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:26:11 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:26:10 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lars-Erik Jonsson (EAB)" To: rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-rohc-ip-only-01.txt Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:26:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Dear all, The IP profile draft has been updated according to what was outlined in Atlanta, and reflected in the minutes. This means: - The termination has been defined - Compression of headers with an arbitrary number of IP headers is now supported through the addition of a dynamic header chain list for "IP3+" in compressed headers. As always, comments are appreciated! /L-E > -----Original Message----- > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: den 23 januari 2003 13:47 > Cc: rohc@ietf.org > Subject: [rohc] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-rohc-ip-only-01.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line > Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Robust Header Compression > Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : RObust Header Compression (ROHC): A > Compression > Profile for IP > Author(s) : L. 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Different MIME-compliant > mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 24 03:40:20 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA13011 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0O8xF712515 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:59:15 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0O8xFJ12512 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:59:15 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA12978 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0O8wBJ12457; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:58:11 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0O8vwJ12401 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:57:58 -0500 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA12928 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.69]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0O8g0KV008265; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:42:00 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:42:00 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)" To: "'vkenneally@cit.ie'" , rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] SigComp and State Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:40:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi Val, I'm trying to answer your question the best I can. 1. Is state the uncompressed message details that are being sent on the compressor side and the decompressed message on the receiving/decompressor side? A state may contain anything you want. In most cases, states are simply decompressed messages or just a part of them. But one can store other information in a state, for example a number identifying a message, or state length as it can not be retrieved with the STATE-ACCESS instruction. Only imagination limits what you can put into a state. 2. If this is the case and we create a state identifier on the compressor side for the first message ever to be transmitted, is this state identifier transmitted to the remote end-point along with the SigComp message, not for decompression purposes in this case but in order to save state in the decompressor side? The state id should not be sent in the message. The STATE-CREATE instruction produces a state id for the state to be saved. 3. If we send a Sigcomp message with a state identifier to be used for decompression then are the state identifiers existent in the two communicating endpoints mirror images of each other? In other words do we have mirror compartments at communicating entities? Not necessarily. If a state id is used to access a state, the state memory should be handled in a way that the sate can be accessed. But it does not mean we have mirror compartments. Think of dropped messages and shared states e.g! _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 24 04:06:44 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA13682 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 04:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0O9PdB14718 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 04:25:39 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0O9PcJ14715 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 04:25:38 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA13660 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 04:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0O9PFJ14677; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 04:25:15 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0O9MMJ14554 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 04:22:22 -0500 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA13543 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 04:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.71]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0O96JAw024224 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:06:20 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:06:19 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lars-Erik Jonsson (EAB)" To: ROHC WG Subject: RE: [rohc] WG last-call for ROHC MIB and related documents Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:06:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , I have once again reviewed the "Terminology and Examples" document, which I am also the author of, and found the following that should be corrected: - Section 3.2, last sentence, should end "...channel concept is used, as defined above." - Section 4.2, "Feedback Output", second line, should be: "...is sent from the decompressor through..." instead of "...is sent by the compressor through...", for correctness and consistency. - Section 5, third paragraph, last sentence, "ROHC peers" is not defined in terminology, and not used clearly in the document, should be made consistent. - Section 6.2, first sentence should read "This section...", instead of "This chapter...". - Section 6.3, first sentence should read "This section...", instead of "This chapter...". - Section 6.3, figure, lower left decompressor, upper left output should be labeled "DO", not "FO". - Section 6.3, description of figure is not correct, on the upper two instances, the FI/PI and PO/FO connections have been switched, respectively, while the lower two instances have been horizontally mirrored. Last sentence of the last paragraph should thus be rewritten to correctly reflect this. - Section 9, last sentence of second paragraph, should say "...those in one separate ROHC framework module, and...", instead of "...those separately, and... /L-E > -----Original Message----- > From: cabo@tzi.org [mailto:cabo@tzi.org] > Sent: den 15 januari 2003 17:21 > To: ROHC WG > Subject: [rohc] WG last-call for ROHC MIB and related documents > > > ROHCers, > > In Atlanta, we said we were going to have another re-spin of the ROHC > MIB to include LLA. This has now been available for nearly a month, > and we believe the document has received enough review to issue the WG > last-call. Together with this goes the terminology and examples > document as additional explanatory material that at some point is > expected to become part of the ROHC draft standard. > > Therefore, we are now issuing a WG last-call for the following two > documents: > > draft-ietf-rohc-mib-rtp-05.txt > (for publication as Proposed Standard) > > draft-ietf-rohc-terminology-and-examples-01.txt > (for publication as Informational) > > This is a regular two-week WG last-call. > > Please direct WG last-call comments to the ROHC mailing list > rohc@ietf.org before Wed, 2003-01-29, 18:00 UTC. > > Gruesse, Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 24 04:53:27 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA14492 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 04:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0OACOE18204 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:12:24 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0OACOJ18200 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:12:24 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA14479 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 04:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0OACDJ18187; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:12:13 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0OABbJ18135 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:11:37 -0500 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA14473 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 04:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.71]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0O9tZKY004622 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:55:37 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:55:17 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Hans Hannu (EAB)" To: ROHC WG Subject: RE: [rohc] WG last-call for ROHC MIB and related documents Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:55:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, I've reviewed the "Terminology and Examples" document and have the following comments: - Section 2, page 4, paragraph "Co-located compressor/decompressor". What is the meaning with "pair" in paragraph "Co-located compressor/decompressor"? Is it the co-located compressor and decompressor that makes up the "pair", or does the "pair" correspond to the co-located compressor and decompressor at one end together with the co-located compressor and decompressor at the other end of the link? - Section 2, page 4, paragraph "Associated compressor/decompressor". Remove second word of ROHC at line 5 (easier to couple the instances together), and make singular of ROHC compressor/ at line 7. * Old "sent from the co-located ROHC compressor to the ROHC decompressor co-located with the compressor at the other end. When a co-located ROHC compressors/decompressor pair is connected for this purpose, they are said to be associated with each other." * New "sent from the co-located ROHC compressor to the decompressor co-located with the compressor at the other end. When a co-located ROHC compressor/decompressor pair is connected for this purpose, they are said to be associated with each other." - Section 2, page 5, paragraphs "Interspersed feedback" and "Piggybacked feedback". The word "channel" is used at line 5 of both paragraphs, could perhaps be changed to "ROHC channel" - Section 3.2, page 7, last paragraph. Consider changing * Old "channel definition is slightly enhanced for header compression by the definition of ROHC channels (section 5) and ROHC feedback channels" * New "channel definition is slightly enhanced for header compression by the definition of the ROHC channel (section 5) and the ROHC feedback channel" - Section 4.1, page 11, last paragraph. The word "channel" is used at line 4, could perhaps be changed to "ROHC channel" - Section 5, page 13, third paragraph. Perhaps one could define, "ROHC peers" in the terminology section. BR /Hans H > -----Original Message----- > From: cabo@tzi.org [mailto:cabo@tzi.org] > Sent: den 15 januari 2003 17:21 > To: ROHC WG > Subject: [rohc] WG last-call for ROHC MIB and related documents > > > ROHCers, > > In Atlanta, we said we were going to have another re-spin of the ROHC > MIB to include LLA. This has now been available for nearly a month, > and we believe the document has received enough review to issue the WG > last-call. Together with this goes the terminology and examples > document as additional explanatory material that at some point is > expected to become part of the ROHC draft standard. > > Therefore, we are now issuing a WG last-call for the following two > documents: > > draft-ietf-rohc-mib-rtp-05.txt > (for publication as Proposed Standard) > > draft-ietf-rohc-terminology-and-examples-01.txt > (for publication as Informational) > > This is a regular two-week WG last-call. > > Please direct WG last-call comments to the ROHC mailing list > rohc@ietf.org before Wed, 2003-01-29, 18:00 UTC. > > Gruesse, Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 24 05:11:24 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA14817 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0OAUM019082 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:30:22 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0OAULJ19079 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:30:21 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA14786 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0OAU7J19035; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:30:07 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0OAT3J18980 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:29:03 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA14750; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:13:01 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804A0F195@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "Price, Richard" To: "'Lars-Erik Jonsson (EAB)'" , "'rohc@ietf.org'" Cc: "'sigtran@ietf.org'" , "'tsvwg@ietf.org'" , "Allison Mankin (E-mail)" Subject: RE: [rohc] Removing SCTP header compression from the ROHC charter Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:13:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , > Trying to fulfill this work item during the last year, we have > repeatedly asked for contributions to SCTP header compression, but > we have not received a single response. We published a first version of an SCTP compression profile in draft-west-sctp-epic-00.txt. This draft is based on the formal header compression notation (see draft-ietf-rohc-formal-notation-00.txt), so we intend to update the SCTP draft once the formal notation draft is finalised. > Given that this work item was originally added without immediate > market pull, and considering the lack of current interest in doing > the work (or even having it done at all), we intend to remove SCTP > header compression from the ROHC WG charter. To keep it in the > charter, justifications for developing SCTP header compression now > would have to be presented, as well as industry support and > commitments for doing the actual work. This work item is important because, unlike for TCP, there is currently no published scheme for SCTP compression. This will hinder the deployment of SCTP, particularly in the mobile environment. Regarding the industry support, we're currently working on SCTP compression at the moment in the form of the notation draft. Once this work is done we'll publish an updated version of our SCTP profile. > Barring further input, we will send a request to the ADs by Jan 24, > so please reply before this date if you believe SCTP header > compression should be on the agenda now. I believe that SCTP compression should remain on the ROHC charter. Regards, Richard _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 24 20:02:24 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA06683 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:02:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0P1LcH10452 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:21:38 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0P1LcJ10449 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:21:38 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA06671 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0P1LPJ10433; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:21:25 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0P1K6J10406 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:20:06 -0500 Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA06649 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:00:20 -0500 (EST) From: zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com Received: from esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir01nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.33]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h0P12k024102 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 03:02:46 +0200 (EET) Received: from esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 03:03:43 +0200 Received: from daebh002.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.18.242.232]) by esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 25 Jan 2003 03:03:45 +0200 Received: from daebe005.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.18.242.203]) by daebh002.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:03:41 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2C40D.995426FD" Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:03:40 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp interop Thread-Index: AcLEDYg4cNZd4y9+EdeaNgAQpIbXLw== To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2003 01:03:41.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[99C1D070:01C2C40D] Subject: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp interop Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C40D.995426FD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Attached is a simple protocol that can be used for the=20 interop test during SIPit in February.=20 Your comments are welcome. 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Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:58:33 +0800 X-Sender: chankm@gwserver.icr.a-star.edu.sg X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:00:02 +0800 To: "'rohc@ietf.org'" From: Chan Kwang Mien In-Reply-To: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804A0F195@rsys002a.roke.co. uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <20030126145833.QQEJ13425.maxwell2.pacific.net.sg@oemcomputer> Subject: [rohc] Multiple Compartment Test in SigComp Torture Tests Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , hi, i would like to ask about the 4.3 Multiple Compartments test in the SigComp Torture Test. when the compressed message is 0x00, the memory location, type initially contains the value 512 and state is created over the memory location from 512 to 959 because of STATE-CREATE(448, $type, 0, 6, 0). my problem is that the state identifier that i obtained for this State-Create is not any of the state identifiers indicated in the assembly code. the state identifier that i generated for 2.15 State Creation test is the same as the one in the assembly code. i would like to know if it is possible to obtain the same state identifier when it is part of the memory over which the state identifier is to be calculated ? for e.g. is it possible to obtain state_identifier_a when state_identifier_a is part of the memory over which the state identifier is to be generated ? Any help is much appreciated. Thanks. regards, Kwang Mien _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 27 05:04:15 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA11219 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:04:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0RAOdj09713 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:24:39 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0RAOdJ09710 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:24:39 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA11212 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0RAOIJ09695; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:24:18 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0RALnJ09546 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:21:49 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA11134 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:00:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:04:22 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804A0F199@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "Price, Richard" To: "'Chan Kwang Mien'" , "'rohc@ietf.org'" Subject: RE: [rohc] Multiple Compartment Test in SigComp Torture Tests Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:04:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , > i would like to ask about the 4.3 Multiple Compartments test > in the SigComp Torture Test. > > when the compressed message is 0x00, the memory location, > type initially contains the value 512 and state is created over > the memory location from 512 to 959 because of > STATE-CREATE(448, $type, 0, 6, 0). Hi Kwang Mien, I think the problem is that STATE-CREATE uses byte copying to get the state from the UDVM memory. Since byte_copy_left = 512 and byte_copy_right = 519, all of the bytes in the state are copied from the memory locations 512 up to 518 inclusive. Once address 518 is reached, the next byte must be copied from address 512. > my problem is that the state identifier that i obtained for this > State-Create is not any of the state identifiers indicated > in the assembly code. the state identifier that i generated > for 2.15 State Creation test is the same as the one in the > assembly code. > > i would like to know if it is possible to obtain the same > state identifier when it is part of the memory over which the > state identifier is to be calculated ? for e.g. is it > possible to obtain state_identifier_a when state_identifier_a > is part of the memory over which the state identifier is > to be generated ? The above would be extremely unlikely to occur since the state identifier is a hash of the memory over which it is calculated. However, since STATE-CREATE obeys the byte copying rules it shouldn't get any data from memory locations 519 or above (which is where state_identifier_a is held). So the above situation doesn't occur in the torture test. Hope this helps! Regards, Richard _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 27 06:32:02 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA12256 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0RBqSq14754 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:52:28 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0RBqSJ14751 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:52:28 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA12248 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0RBqFJ14739; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:52:15 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0RBnIJ14594 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:49:18 -0500 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA12190 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.69]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0RBVoAv017088; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:31:50 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:31:50 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)" To: "'zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com'" , rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp interop Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:30:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, How will we test feedback, returned parameters and extended features with DAP? It seems that the receiving node is indeed a receiver and cannot be instructed to send me anything. Zacco -----Original Message----- From: zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com [mailto:zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 2:04 AM To: rohc@ietf.org Subject: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp interop Hi, Attached is a simple protocol that can be used for the interop test during SIPit in February. Your comments are welcome. Zhigang _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 27 12:31:27 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA20315 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0RHq1W04573 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:52:01 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0RHq0J04569 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:52:00 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA20294 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0RHpdJ04541; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:51:40 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0RHopJ04483 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:50:51 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA20279 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:33:15 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804A0F19C@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "Price, Richard" To: "'rohc@ietf.org'" Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:33:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C2C62A.2A14A0DA" Subject: [rohc] SigComp Interop Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C2C62A.2A14A0DA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Attached is a first attempt at a test suite for the SigComp Interop. Comments welcome! Regards, Richard P.S. I also have a few answers to some issues raised in the original proposal from Zacco: > 1.2. Check if compressor and decompressor uses the same or separate > state memory. (not specified in standard) This should be covered by the following text from Section 6.2 of SigComp: Note that locally available state items (as described in Section 3.3.3) need not be mapped to any particular compartment. However, if they are created on a per-compartment basis, then they must not interfere with the state created at the request of the remote endpoint. The special state_retention_priority of 65535 is reserved for locally available state items to ensure that this is the case. So a compressor can create its own state in the state memory reserved for the decompressor, but it must use the special state_retention_priority of 65535. This makes sure that if the state memory runs out then the state created by the compressor is discarded first (otherwise messages might not decompress correctly). > 2.1. Using shared state > Calculation of shared state ID (not exactly specified in the > draft, what to test?) The contents of the shared state (and consequently the shared state ID) should be exactly specified by RFC 3321. What the interop should test is that Endpoint 1 can save a shared state and announce the corresponding state ID to Endpoint 2, which then makes use of the state to improve the overall compression ratio. The exact message format used to achieve this is an implementation decision, but if any implementations can test the example format given in RFC 3321 then that would be a bonus. > 2.3. Using local endpoint initiated explicit acknowledgement > What state ID is handled as an acked_state_id? (not specified in draft) The acked_state_id can carry the ID of any state previously created by the decompressor (in other words it's an alternative to using the requested and returned SigComp feedback to acknowledge states). ------_=_NextPart_000_01C2C62A.2A14A0DA Content-Type: text/plain; name="test_suite.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="test_suite.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Test Suite for the SigComp Interop: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D General notes: Tests 5.1) and beyond apply SigComp to a complete application flow = between two endpoints (denoted Endpoint 1 and Endpoint 2). In general = these tests can be run using an arbitrary application - the default will be the Dummy = Application Protocol (DAP). The default transport layer is assumed to = be UDP. A comprehensive message flow for each test should include the = following: i) Realistic SIP data (this is useful for checking that mechanisms such = as the static and user-specific dictionaries improve the overall = compression ratio) ii) "Null" messages containing just the basic header iii) Long messages (up to 64K over UDP) iv) Messages containing random data v) Messages containing highly compressible data Note that realistic SIP data can be encapsulated within DAP for the = benefit of endpoints that don't understand native SIP. It should also be possible to simulate the effects of dropping or = misordering messages between the two SigComp endpoints. Getting started: ---------------- 1.1) Exchanging an uncompressed message flow The first test should exchange a cleartext (uncompressed) = application message flow, to make sure that the two endpoints can talk = to one another. Basic SigComp (RFC 3320): ------------------------- The following tests should cover the entities involved in receiving a = SigComp message: 2.1) - 2.16) from the torture tests cover the UDVM. 3.1) - 3.3) from the torture tests cover the dispatcher. 4.1) - 4.3) from the torture tests cover the state handler. It would be great if implementers could run these tests before the = interop, to maximize the amount of time available for the "interactive" = tests that require support at both endpoints. Note that implementers should run some or all of the tests using the = "raw bytecode" given in the Appendix of the torture tests draft. This = ensures that a bug in the UDVM isn't cancelled out by an equivalent bug in the = assembler. SigComp-Extended (RFC 3321) and SigComp User Guide: --------------------------------------------------- The following tests should cover the various compressor-local = implementation choices described in SigComp-Extended and the SigComp = User Guide. Note that "Maintaining State Data Across Application Sessions" from = SigComp-Extended is an application issue, so it's covered in the = "application tests". 5.1) Compression algorithms This test should check that Endpoint 1 can upload a compression = algorithm to Endpoint 2 and use it to successfully decompress a message = flow. Only the minimum resources should be available at Endpoint 2 (in = particular the state_memory_size should be 0 for this test). The SigComp User Guide contains bytecode for six example compression = algorithms - the more of these we can test the better: 5.1.1) Simplified LZ77 5.1.2) LZSS 5.1.3) LZW 5.1.4) DEFLATE 5.1.5) LZJH 5.1.6) EPIC Support required at Endpoint 1: Uploading bytecode for the = compression algorithm. Coping with minimum resources at Endpoint 2. Support required at Endpoint 2: Basic SigComp only. 5.2) Additional resources at the receiving endpoint This test should check that Endpoint 1 can handle different resource = allocations at Endpoint 2. In the first instance the additional = resources can be configured manually; a more advanced version of the test can = announce the extra resources automatically using the feedback = mechanism: 5.2.1) Manually configuring both endpoints to make use of the = additional resources. 5.2.2) Announcing the additional resources using the SigComp = feedback mechanism. Support required at Endpoint 1: Using extra resources at Endpoint 2 = to improve the overall compression ratio. Support required at Endpoint 2: Making additional resources = available. Announcing the resources using the SigComp feedback = mechanism. 5.3) Remote Compressor Initiated Acknowledgements This test should check that Endpoint 1 can request a feedback item = to be returned by Endpoint 2, and that it can make use of the returned = feedback to improve the overall compression ratio (e.g. by accessing states = acknowledged by the returned feedback). Note: Bytecode for using the "Remote Compressor Initiated = Acknowledgements" is given in the SigComp User Guide. Support required at Endpoint 1: Uploading bytecode that requests a = feedback item to be returned, and making use of the resulting feedback. Support required at Endpoint 2: Basic SigComp only. 5.4) Local Endpoint Initiated Acknowledgements This test should check that Endpoint 2 can announce the state = identifiers for any state created by Endpoint 1, and that Endpoint 1 = can make use of this information to improve the overall compression ratio. Note that this = test provides an alternative feedback mechanism to the "Remote = Compressor Initiated Acknowledgements". Note: SigComp-Extended gives an example message format for Local = Endpoint Initiated Acknowledgements. Whilst this is purely an = implementation decision, it would be a bonus if we can try out this message format as part of = the test. Support required at Endpoint 1: Uploading bytecode to save a state. = Also understanding the state identifier that is returned. Support required at Endpoint 2: Returning the state identifier for = the saved state. 5.5) Shared Compression This test should check that Endpoint 1 can save an uncompressed = application message as shared state and then announce this state to = Endpoint 2 using the SigComp feedback mechanism. It should also be checked that Endpoint = 2 can understand the announcement and make use of the offered state to = improve the overall compression ratio. Note: SigComp-Extended gives an example message format for Shared = Compression. Whilst this is purely an implementation decision, it would = be a bonus if we can try out this message format as part of the test. Support required at Endpoint 1: Saving uncompressed application = message as state. Announcing shared state ID. Support required at Endpoint 2: Understanding the shared state ID = and making use of the shared state. 5.6) Use of User-Specific Dictionary This test should check that Endpoint 1 can upload a user-specific = dictionary to Endpoint 2, and use it to compress subsequent messages. Note: The user-specific dictionary won't help to improve the overall = compression ratio unless the application messages include realistic = SIP. Support required at Endpoint 1: Uploading the user-specific = dictionary and making use of it. Support required at Endpoint 2: Basic SigComp only. 5.7) Checkpoint State This test should check that Endpoint 1 can request a checkpoint = state to be saved, and can use this state to recover in the event of = message loss. Support required at Endpoint 1: Setting checkpoint = state_retention_priority to a non-zero value. Using this state to = recover in the event of message loss. Support required at Endpoint 2: Basic SigComp only. 5.8) Implicit Deletion for Dictionary Update This test should use a compression algorithm that automatically = deletes data from the dictionary once it becomes full. Note: All six compression algorithms in the SigComp User Guide have = this feature, so the test just needs to ensure that enough application = data is sent to trigger the implicit deletion of old data from the dictionary. Support required at Endpoint 1: Uploading a compression algorithm = with this feature. Support required at Endpoint 2: Basic SigComp only. 5.9) Acknowledgement Optimization This test should check that Endpoint 1 can use the acknowledgement = optimization for shared compression to determine when its state = creation requests are successful. Support required at Endpoint 1: As for "shared compression" plus = maintaining a mapping from the shared state to its own state. Using the = acked states. Support required at Endpoint 2: As for "shared compression". Static Dictionary: ------------------ 6.1) Compressing messages using the static dictionary Note: Bytecode for accessing the static dictionary is given in the = SigComp User Guide. Also note that the static dictionary won't help to = improve the overall compression ratio unless the application messages include = realistic SIP. Support required at Endpoint 1: Configuring the compression = algorithm to use the static dictionary. Support required at Endpoint 2: Having the static dictionary state = available. Transport Layer: ---------------- 7.1) Support for TCP For this test we'll need to rerun some of the above tests using TCP = as the transport layer rather than UDP. Since the choice of transport = layer has little effect on SigComp operation, rerunning tests 5.1) and 5.2) = should be sufficient to check that the TCP support is working = correctly. Advanced Tests: --------------- 8.1) Running the above mechanisms in parallel. The above tests are designed to cover each of the SigComp features = and options in turn. The next step is to test combinations of these = features running in parallel - e.g. the set of features expected to be deployed in a = real SigComp implementation. 8.2) Running two or more compressors simultaneously. It should be checked that two or more endpoints can communicate with = the same remote endpoint at the same time, using a separate compartment = for each. Application-specific Tests: --------------------------- The following tests are designed for the components of SigComp that = require interaction with the application: 9.1) Multiplexing uncompressed messages with SigComp messages. Both DAP and SIP should be able to multiplex uncompressed and = SigComp messages on the same port, using the indicator bit pattern = present in all SigComp messages to distinguish them from uncompressed messages. 9.2) Creating and tearing down compartments. DAP contains a field to explicitly instruct the application to = create or tear down a compartment. Real applications such as SIP should = be able to do this automatically based on information in the application messages. 9.3) SigComp discovery mechanism. Robert and Adam have a comprehensive set of tests for discovering = and enabling SigComp within SIP (see = http://www.sipit.net/sipit-sigcomp.pdf). 9.4) DoS survival. At some stage we'll need to test that SigComp doesn't introduce any = new security holes in a SIP stack, e.g. by attempting a DoS attack on a = SigComp- enabled SIP stack. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C2C62A.2A14A0DA-- _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 27 19:01:57 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA01281 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:01:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0S0MdN28733 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:22:39 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0S0McJ28730 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:22:38 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA01273 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0S0MSJ28722; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:22:28 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0S0LSJ28691 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:21:28 -0500 Received: from mgw-dax2.ext.nokia.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA01252 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:00:15 -0500 (EST) From: zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com Received: from davir01nok.americas.nokia.com (davir01nok.americas.nokia.com [172.18.242.84]) by mgw-dax2.ext.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h0S03r123114 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:03:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from daebh002.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by davir01nok.americas.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:17:06 -0600 Received: from daebe005.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.18.242.203]) by daebh002.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:17:01 -0600 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp interop X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:17:01 -0600 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp interop Thread-Index: AcLF97KJfLDy7a+wS+GaPCuQs2tQTQAI2EpQ To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2003 16:17:01.0602 (UTC) FILETIME=[861B5820:01C2C61F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h0S0LSJ28692 Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The receiving node is also a sending node. It can can always send a DAP message in the reverse direction on which sigcomp signals can be piggybacked. But you have a good point that it should be made explicit in the DAP. I'll send a revised version soon. Zhigang > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Lajos Zaccomer (ETH) [mailto:Lajos.Zaccomer@eth.ericsson.se] > Sent: January 27, 2003 5:30 AM > To: Liu Zhigang.C (NRC/Dallas); rohc@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp > interop > > > Hi, > > How will we test feedback, returned parameters and extended > features with DAP? It seems that the receiving node is indeed > a receiver and cannot be instructed to send me anything. > > Zacco > > -----Original Message----- > From: zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com [mailto:zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 2:04 AM > To: rohc@ietf.org > Subject: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp interop > > > Hi, > > Attached is a simple protocol that can be used for the > interop test during SIPit in February. > > Your comments are welcome. > > Zhigang > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 27 19:07:38 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA01443 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:07:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0S0SKe28949 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:28:20 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0S0SKJ28946 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:28:20 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA01428 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:07:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0S0S4J28927; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:28:04 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0S0R1J28879 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:27:01 -0500 Received: from mgw-x4.nokia.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA01373 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:05:47 -0500 (EST) From: zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com Received: from esvir04nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir04nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.36]) by mgw-x4.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h0S0Big22881 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 02:11:44 +0200 (EET) Received: from esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by esvir04nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 02:09:16 +0200 Received: from daebh002.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.18.242.232]) by esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Tue, 28 Jan 2003 02:09:16 +0200 Received: from daebe005.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.18.242.203]) by daebh002.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:09:14 -0600 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2C661.7D958226" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Subject: RE: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp interop Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:09:14 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp interop Thread-Index: AcLF97KJfLDy7a+wS+GaPCuQs2tQTQAI2EpQABEz58A= To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2003 00:09:14.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DD7FEB0:01C2C661] Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C661.7D958226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is the revised version of DAP: - added "need-response" header field - clarified how to derive a globally unique compartment-ID - clarified on the "peer compartments" - renamed "global-ID" to "endpoint-ID" Please provide your comments promptly. The interop is close and it would be good to freeze this asap. (Let's keep it simple for now. We can always improve it later before the=20 next interop.) BR, Zhigang > -----Original Message----- > From: Liu Zhigang.C (NRC/Dallas)=20 > Sent: January 27, 2003 10:17 AM > To: 'ext Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'; rohc@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp > interop >=20 >=20 > The receiving node is also a sending node. It can can always send a = DAP > message in the reverse direction on which sigcomp signals can be = piggybacked.=20 > But you have a good point that it should be made explicit in the DAP. > I'll send a revised version soon. >=20 > Zhigang >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ext Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)=20 > [mailto:Lajos.Zaccomer@eth.ericsson.se] > > Sent: January 27, 2003 5:30 AM > > To: Liu Zhigang.C (NRC/Dallas); rohc@ietf.org > > Subject: RE: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp > > interop > >=20 > >=20 > > Hi, > >=20 > > How will we test feedback, returned parameters and extended=20 > > features with DAP? 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UAA02401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0S1pEJ00912; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:51:14 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0S1orJ00885 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:50:53 -0500 Received: from dyn-tx-app-007.dfw.dynamicsoft.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA02374 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from TXADAM (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dyn-tx-app-007.dfw.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id h0S1X69Z027057; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:33:07 -0600 Message-ID: <01a701c2c66d$27a058b0$6601a8c0@dynamicsoft.com> From: "Adam Roach" To: , , References: Subject: Re: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp interop Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:32:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit writes: > - added "need-response" header field I thought we had discussed having a *counter*, not a TRUE/FALSE value. That way, you can avoid accidental infinite loops, *and* it makes it much easier to run a test of, say, 4 back-and-forth messages (e.g. to retrive state) than a simple TRUE/FALSE. Here's some text. line-7 = "hops-left" ":" 1*digit - If the header line-7 of a received DAP message is greater than zero, the receiver will send back a response message to the sender. As mentioned above, the response message must be compressed by and sent from the local compressor compartment that is peer of the remote compressor compartment. Line-7 of the response message will carry the value that is one less than the value of line-7 from the received message. Other than these constraints, the response message can carry arbitrary message-header and message-body. For testing, the message-body of a response may contain the message-header of the original message that triggered the response. /a _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 28 02:51:53 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA18748 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 02:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0S8CjK32151 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:12:45 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0S8CjJ32148 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:12:45 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA18739 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 02:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0S8CXJ32137; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:12:33 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0S8BSJ32099 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:11:28 -0500 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA18714 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 02:50:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.69]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0S7rZKV010319; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:53:35 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:53:09 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)" To: "'Price, Richard'" , "'rohc@ietf.org'" Subject: RE: [rohc] SigComp Interop Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:51:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, Thank you for the answers Richard, but it is as I feared, I need further explanations (see below): -----Original Message----- From: Price, Richard [mailto:richard.price@roke.co.uk] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:33 PM To: 'rohc@ietf.org' Subject: [rohc] SigComp Interop Hi, Attached is a first attempt at a test suite for the SigComp Interop. Comments welcome! Regards, Richard P.S. I also have a few answers to some issues raised in the original proposal from Zacco: > 1.2. Check if compressor and decompressor uses the same or separate > state memory. (not specified in standard) This should be covered by the following text from Section 6.2 of SigComp: Note that locally available state items (as described in Section 3.3.3) need not be mapped to any particular compartment. However, if they are created on a per-compartment basis, then they must not interfere with the state created at the request of the remote endpoint. The special state_retention_priority of 65535 is reserved for locally available state items to ensure that this is the case. So a compressor can create its own state in the state memory reserved for the decompressor, but it must use the special state_retention_priority of 65535. This makes sure that if the state memory runs out then the state created by the compressor is discarded first (otherwise messages might not decompress correctly). [L.Z.] This is a serious disadvantage, because the compressor may not be sure how much memory is still available in the remote endpoint as its compressor using shared and/or dynamic compression might save states, which the local endpoint's compressor will not know about. This makes tracking the memory usage impossible, and thus the compressor may not be sure if the message can be decompressed successfully. > 2.1. Using shared state > Calculation of shared state ID (not exactly specified in the > draft, what to test?) The contents of the shared state (and consequently the shared state ID) should be exactly specified by RFC 3321. What the interop should test is that Endpoint 1 can save a shared state and announce the corresponding state ID to Endpoint 2, which then makes use of the state to improve the overall compression ratio. The exact message format used to achieve this is an implementation decision, but if any implementations can test the example format given in RFC 3321 then that would be a bonus. [L.Z.] In RFC 3221, the minimum access length with that the shared state ID should be calculated is not specified. > 2.3. Using local endpoint initiated explicit acknowledgement > What state ID is handled as an acked_state_id? (not specified in draft) The acked_state_id can carry the ID of any state previously created by the decompressor (in other words it's an alternative to using the requested and returned SigComp feedback to acknowledge states). [L.Z.] It's easy to say any, and it's also easy to implement. But in this case the remote endpoint may think differently of how to interpret an acked state ID. Let us suppose a bytecode saves two states, one for the bytecode and one for the part of the uncompressed message that remained in the UDVM memory. Which state ID is sent back as an acked state ID? BR/Zacco _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 28 04:17:15 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA19631 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 04:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0S9c7L04911 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 04:38:07 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0S9c7J04908 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 04:38:07 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA19628 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 04:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0S9bMJ04766; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 04:37:22 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0S9aHJ04200 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 04:36:17 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA19616 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 04:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:18:23 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804B885E9@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "Surtees, Abigail" To: "'Adam Roach'" , zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com, Lajos.Zaccomer@eth.ericsson.se, rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp interop Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:18:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, The DAP looks good to me. I do have a couple of comments: I think for that for the first version we don't need to worry about IPv6 addresses. When the messages are returned in plain text to the compressor, do they have a DAP header on them? I think we should keep it simple and that a true/false need response field is sufficient for the first testing event. If we want to write a second version that is more complicated then we could do so at a later date. Best regards, Abbie >-----Original Message----- >From: Adam Roach [mailto:adam@dynamicsoft.com] >Sent: 28 January 2003 01:33 >To: zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com; Lajos.Zaccomer@eth.ericsson.se; >rohc@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp >interop > > > writes: > >> - added "need-response" header field > >I thought we had discussed having a *counter*, not a TRUE/FALSE value. >That way, you can avoid accidental infinite loops, *and* it >makes it much >easier to run a test of, say, 4 back-and-forth messages (e.g. >to retrive >state) than a simple TRUE/FALSE. Here's some text. > >line-7 = "hops-left" ":" 1*digit > >- If the header line-7 of a received DAP message is greater >than zero, the >receiver will send back a response message to the sender. As mentioned >above, the response message must be compressed by and sent from the >local compressor compartment that is peer of the remote compressor >compartment. Line-7 of the response message will carry the value that >is one less than the value of line-7 from the received message. >Other than these constraints, the response message can carry >arbitrary message-header and message-body. For testing, the >message-body of a response may contain the message-header >of the original message that triggered the response. > > >/a > > >_______________________________________________ >Rohc mailing list >Rohc@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 28 09:15:34 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA26263 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0SEaXi22419 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:36:33 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0SEaXJ22415 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:36:33 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA26255 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0SEaKJ22407; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:36:20 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0SEa0J22377 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:36:00 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA26243 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:18:00 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804A0F1A0@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "Price, Richard" To: "'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'" , "'rohc@ietf.org'" Subject: RE: [rohc] SigComp Interop Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:17:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , > > 1.2. Check if compressor and decompressor uses the same or separate > > state memory. (not specified in standard) > > This should be covered by the following text from Section 6.2 > of SigComp: > > Note that locally available state items (as described in Section > 3.3.3) need not be mapped to any particular compartment. However, if > they are created on a per-compartment basis, then they must not > interfere with the state created at the request of the remote > endpoint. The special state_retention_priority of 65535 is reserved > for locally available state items to ensure that this is the case. > > So a compressor can create its own state in the state memory reserved for > the decompressor, but it must use the special state_retention_priority > of 65535. This makes sure that if the state memory runs out then the > state created by the compressor is discarded first (otherwise messages > might not decompress correctly). > > [L.Z.] This is a serious disadvantage, because the compressor > may not be sure how much memory is still available in the > remote endpoint as its compressor using shared and/or dynamic > compression might save states, which the local endpoint's > compressor will not know about. This makes tracking the > memory usage impossible, and thus the compressor may not be > sure if the message can be decompressed successfully. Hi Zacco, I think that the confusion with this issue is that what you call the "local endpoint", I'm calling the "remote endpoint" and vice versa. On my part I'm using the term "local endpoint" to mean the endpoint that is actually saving the state. The "remote endpoint" is the one that asks for new state to be created, and makes use of the state to improve the overall compression ratio. In order to ensure successful decompression, the remote endpoint must always know how much state memory is available at the local endpoint (in case it wants to ask for more state to be created). Consequently, any states created by the local endpoint *must not* prevent the remote endpoint from tracking how much state memory is left - in particular a state creation request by the remote endpoint must not fail because the local endpoint has filled up the state memory with its own state (e.g. shared state) that the remote endpoint doesn't know about. The solution is to give the state created at the request of the remote endpoint a higher priority than any state created locally. This ensures that if the state memory becomes full, any state created by the local endpoint will be pushed out invisibly without interfering with the remote endpoint's view of how much state memory is left. > > 2.1. Using shared state > > Calculation of shared state ID (not exactly specified in the > > draft, what to test?) > > The contents of the shared state (and consequently the shared state ID) > should be exactly specified by RFC 3321. What the interop should test is > that Endpoint 1 can save a shared state and announce the corresponding > state ID to Endpoint 2, which then makes use of the state to improve the > overall compression ratio. The exact message format used to achieve this > is an implementation decision, but if any implementations can test the > example format given in RFC 3321 then that would be a bonus. > > [L.Z.] In RFC 3221, the minimum access length with that the > shared state ID should be calculated is not specified. The minimum access length is up to the implementer, depending on how much protection is needed against malicious users attempting to access the shared state. If security isn't a problem then use the smallest possible value (namely 6 bytes). > > 2.3. Using local endpoint initiated explicit acknowledgement > > What state ID is handled as an acked_state_id? (not > specified in draft) > > The acked_state_id can carry the ID of any state previously created by > the decompressor (in other words it's an alternative to using the > requested and returned SigComp feedback to acknowledge states). > > [L.Z.] It's easy to say any, and it's also easy to implement. > But in this case the remote endpoint may think differently of > how to interpret an acked state ID. From the perspective of the remote endpoint it makes no difference what is carried in the acked state ID. The endpoint just keeps a list of the states it would like to use for compression (including the states it previously created, shared states, well-known compression algorithms etc.). If the state ID for one of these states is announced then it marks the state as "available" and uses it to compress messages. > Let us suppose a bytecode saves two states, one for the bytecode and > one for the part of the uncompressed message that remained in the UDVM > memory. Which state ID is sent back as an acked state ID? That's up to the local endpoint - whichever it thinks will be more useful for the remote endpoint to receive. To be on the safe side it could even send both (this means that the example header given in RFC 3321 would need to be rewritten, but this is no problem because the precise format of the header is also up to the local endpoint). Regards, Richard _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 28 09:26:27 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA26524 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0SElQO23593 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:47:26 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0SElQJ23590 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:47:26 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA26506 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0SElCJ23571; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:47:12 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0SEkeJ23496 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:46:40 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (rsys002a.roke.co.uk [193.118.192.251]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA26478 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:18:00 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804A0F1A0@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "Price, Richard" To: "'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'" , "'rohc@ietf.org'" Subject: RE: [rohc] SigComp Interop Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:17:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , > > 1.2. Check if compressor and decompressor uses the same or separate > > state memory. (not specified in standard) > > This should be covered by the following text from Section 6.2 > of SigComp: > > Note that locally available state items (as described in Section > 3.3.3) need not be mapped to any particular compartment. However, if > they are created on a per-compartment basis, then they must not > interfere with the state created at the request of the remote > endpoint. The special state_retention_priority of 65535 is reserved > for locally available state items to ensure that this is the case. > > So a compressor can create its own state in the state memory reserved for > the decompressor, but it must use the special state_retention_priority > of 65535. This makes sure that if the state memory runs out then the > state created by the compressor is discarded first (otherwise messages > might not decompress correctly). > > [L.Z.] This is a serious disadvantage, because the compressor > may not be sure how much memory is still available in the > remote endpoint as its compressor using shared and/or dynamic > compression might save states, which the local endpoint's > compressor will not know about. This makes tracking the > memory usage impossible, and thus the compressor may not be > sure if the message can be decompressed successfully. Hi Zacco, I think that the confusion with this issue is that what you call the "local endpoint", I'm calling the "remote endpoint" and vice versa. On my part I'm using the term "local endpoint" to mean the endpoint that is actually saving the state. The "remote endpoint" is the one that asks for new state to be created, and makes use of the state to improve the overall compression ratio. In order to ensure successful decompression, the remote endpoint must always know how much state memory is available at the local endpoint (in case it wants to ask for more state to be created). Consequently, any states created by the local endpoint *must not* prevent the remote endpoint from tracking how much state memory is left - in particular a state creation request by the remote endpoint must not fail because the local endpoint has filled up the state memory with its own state (e.g. shared state) that the remote endpoint doesn't know about. The solution is to give the state created at the request of the remote endpoint a higher priority than any state created locally. This ensures that if the state memory becomes full, any state created by the local endpoint will be pushed out invisibly without interfering with the remote endpoint's view of how much state memory is left. > > 2.1. Using shared state > > Calculation of shared state ID (not exactly specified in the > > draft, what to test?) > > The contents of the shared state (and consequently the shared state ID) > should be exactly specified by RFC 3321. What the interop should test is > that Endpoint 1 can save a shared state and announce the corresponding > state ID to Endpoint 2, which then makes use of the state to improve the > overall compression ratio. The exact message format used to achieve this > is an implementation decision, but if any implementations can test the > example format given in RFC 3321 then that would be a bonus. > > [L.Z.] In RFC 3221, the minimum access length with that the > shared state ID should be calculated is not specified. The minimum access length is up to the implementer, depending on how much protection is needed against malicious users attempting to access the shared state. If security isn't a problem then use the smallest possible value (namely 6 bytes). > > 2.3. Using local endpoint initiated explicit acknowledgement > > What state ID is handled as an acked_state_id? (not > specified in draft) > > The acked_state_id can carry the ID of any state previously created by > the decompressor (in other words it's an alternative to using the > requested and returned SigComp feedback to acknowledge states). > > [L.Z.] It's easy to say any, and it's also easy to implement. > But in this case the remote endpoint may think differently of > how to interpret an acked state ID. From the perspective of the remote endpoint it makes no difference what is carried in the acked state ID. The endpoint just keeps a list of the states it would like to use for compression (including the states it previously created, shared states, well-known compression algorithms etc.). If the state ID for one of these states is announced then it marks the state as "available" and uses it to compress messages. > Let us suppose a bytecode saves two states, one for the bytecode and > one for the part of the uncompressed message that remained in the UDVM > memory. Which state ID is sent back as an acked state ID? That's up to the local endpoint - whichever it thinks will be more useful for the remote endpoint to receive. To be on the safe side it could even send both (this means that the example header given in RFC 3321 would need to be rewritten, but this is no problem because the precise format of the header is also up to the local endpoint). Regards, Richard _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 28 10:49:48 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28779 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0SGAmV30399 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:10:48 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0SGAmJ30396 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:10:48 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28738 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:49:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0SGAXJ30343; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:10:33 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0SG9fJ30252 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:09:41 -0500 Received: from mgw-dax1.ext.nokia.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28588 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:47:59 -0500 (EST) From: zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com Received: from davir02nok.americas.nokia.com (davir02nok.americas.nokia.com [172.18.242.85]) by mgw-dax1.ext.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h0SFosB20645 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:51:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from daebh002.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by davir02nok.americas.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:50:24 -0600 Received: from daebe005.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.18.242.203]) by daebh002.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:50:17 -0600 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Subject: RE: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp interop Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:50:16 -0600 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp interop Thread-Index: AcLGrkJrUV0Pi/k8TfOpjvCYopZT2QANJiUw To: , , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2003 15:50:17.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[F455EBF0:01C2C6E4] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h0SG9fJ30253 Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Abbie, > I think for that for the first version we don't need to worry > about IPv6 addresses. OK, that's what I thought too. > When the messages are returned in plain text to the > compressor, do they have a DAP header on them? Yes, the entire DAP messages (message-header + CRLF + message-body) are returned. This allows the sender to verify exactly what it has sent. > I think we should keep it simple and that a true/false need > response field is sufficient for the first testing event. If > we want to write a second version that is more complicated > then we could do so at a later date. I agree. BR, Zhignag _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 28 11:50:26 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00953 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0SHBRk03322 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:11:27 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0SHBRJ03319 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:11:27 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00944 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:49:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0SHBBJ03240; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:11:11 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0SH6MJ02051 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:06:22 -0500 Received: from mgw-dax1.ext.nokia.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00793 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:44:39 -0500 (EST) From: zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com Received: from davir02nok.americas.nokia.com (davir02nok.americas.nokia.com [172.18.242.85]) by mgw-dax1.ext.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h0SGltB02220 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:48:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from daebh001.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by davir02nok.americas.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:23:13 -0600 Received: from daebe005.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.18.242.203]) by daebh001.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:23:13 -0800 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Subject: RE: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp interop Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:23:12 -0600 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [rohc] a dummy application protocol (DAP) for SigComp interop Thread-Index: AcLGbU4JAZt1ScwcQGypeT2nE0RvEAAd5tLw To: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2003 16:23:13.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E53EE60:01C2C6E9] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h0SH6MJ02052 Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > I thought we had discussed having a *counter*, not a TRUE/FALSE value. > That way, you can avoid accidental infinite loops, *and* it > makes it much easier to run a test of, say, 4 back-and-forth messages (e.g. > to retrive state) than a simple TRUE/FALSE. Here's some text. Adam, I cannot recall we discussed about a counter, perhaps I missed that part. It seems to me that counter is not necessarily better than a simple TRUE/FALSE toggle: - To cut an infinite loop, any of the two endpoints can set need-response to FALSE. That is no more difficult than checking the counter value and then decrementing it. - To have a 4 back-and-forth messages, an endpoint can send two messages with need-response set to TRUE. Also, the hop-count in the message-header seems a bit fuzzy conceptually. It makes perfect sense to use it in IPv4 to avoid loops of the *same* datagram. Here, we are not necessarily talking about the same message being ping-panged. To me, it makes more sense to maintain a *local* counter by a sender to control the number of responses it want to trigger, not in the message-header. So, unless I missed something important or someone else also wants to have the counter, let's keep the current need-response header. Zhigang _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 28 14:44:58 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA04924 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0SK64x14002 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:06:04 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0SK64J13999 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:06:04 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA04907 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0SK5jJ13967; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:05:46 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0SK4DJ13908 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:04:14 -0500 Received: from tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA04882 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from venus.office (venus.office [10.1.1.11]) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0SJk7R64868 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:46:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from quittek@ccrle.nec.de) Received: by venus.office (Postfix on SuSE Linux eMail Server 3.0, from userid 30) id 230B187110; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:52:20 +0100 (CET) X-Accept-Language: de, en X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: SKYRiXgreen_3.1 NGMime_4.2.18 From: "Juergen Quittek" MIME-Version: 1.0 subject: RE: [rohc] WG last-call for ROHC MIB and related documents To: rohc@ietf.org Organization: NEC Europe Ltd. content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:52:19 +0100 content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030128205220.230B187110@venus.office> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear ROHCers, Here are my comments on draft-ietf-rohc-terminology-and-examples-01.txt Juergen General: The document is very good: it's clear and precise and is very useful for understanding ROHC integration into networks. General: The title "Terminology and Examples for MIB Modules and Channel Mappings" addresses MIB modules. But without knowing the WG context of this document, a reader would not be able to find out what it has to do with MIB modules. Therefore, I suggest choosing a title that expresses the content of the document rather than the context that led to its creation, for example (adapted from Section 8, line 1-2: "Terminology and Concepts for Use in ROHC Network Integration" General: Figures are not numbered. Since there are many of them in the document, I suggest to number them and give them captions. Section 2, Paragraph on "Co-located compressor/decompressor": line four talks about "the link" (and so doe the paragraph on "Associated compressor/decompressor". However, the term 'link' is not introduced bevor. Therefore some ambuguity remains in the terminology section. Can we clarify this by a proper definition of the term 'link'? The beginning of section 3.1 has some text coming close to a definition of 'link'. Section 4, first line: "For e.g. the purpose of" could perhaps be replaced by "For various purposes, such as" Section 4, line 8: I suggest extending the sentence on N compressors and M decompressors: replace "are arbitrary numbers." by "are arbitrary numbers, and N+M is the number of instances present at the IP interface." Section 7, paragraph 2, line 2: "(but normally limited on a per-channel basis)" could perhaps be repalced by "(but limited)". reasons: - it is always limited, not just normally - we are anyway talking on a per-instance basis, and we have a one-to-one mapping to channels Section 7, figure: The terms 'HC' and 'HD' used in the figure should be either changed or replaced. Section 7, line 5: remove "state" (or alternatively remove "stream" in line 4. A packet stream relates to a context, not to a particular context state, because the state may change between packets. Section 8, item 5, line 2: The sentence is hard to read. I suggest replacing "logical layer two channels available" by "available logical layer two channels". -- _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 29 12:25:11 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA23999 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0THkg609924 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:46:42 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0THkgJ09921 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:46:42 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA23992 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0THkOJ09900; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:46:24 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0THjdJ09869 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:45:39 -0500 Received: from tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA23984 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from venus.office (venus.office [10.1.1.11]) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0THR6R80361; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:27:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Martin.Stiemerling@ccrle.nec.de) Received: from ccrle.nec.de (stiemerling.office [10.1.1.110]) by venus.office (Postfix on SuSE Linux eMail Server 3.0) with ESMTP id 3889210FF9; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:33:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3E380ED6.90801@ccrle.nec.de> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:26:46 +0100 From: Martin Stiemerling Organization: NEC -- Network Labs Europe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.0rc3) Gecko/20020619 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Lars-Erik Jonsson (EAB)" Cc: ROHC WG , "Juergen Quittek (E-mail)" Subject: Re: [rohc] WG last-call for ROHC MIB and related documents References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Lars-Erik, (on behave of Juergen) thank you for the comments, and please see comments inline. Lars-Erik Jonsson (EAB) wrote: > Hi all, > > I have reviewed the MIB document and it looks overall very > good. I have noticed the following that should be addressed: > > - The document should have an IANA Considerations section for the > new IANA registrations, both a listing of the new registrations > and a "TO BE REMOVED BEFORE PUBLICATION" request text addressed > to the IANA). Correct, this needs to be done. > > - The TOC is a little bit hard to read. It would be clearer by > writing e.g. "2. The SNMP..." instead or "2 The SNMP..." The current doc is generated by nroff, for the final version we will it manually as it is suggested. > > - Last paragraph above section 4.1. should be rewritten to be > clearer about which two MIB's are referred to. Would it be sufficient to replace "these two MIB modules" by "a ROHC-UNCOMPRESSED-MIB Module and the ROHC-RTP-MIB Module"? > > - In section 4.1.2, clarify that "feedback for" only applies if > the channel is actually transmitting any feedback, either > as a dedicated feedback channel or interspersed/piggybacked. What about adding "(if applicable)" at the end of the 3rd bullet? > > - In section 4.1.4, title of first bullet list, should be > "attributes", not "attribute". Yes. > > - In section 4.1.4, statistics list, fourth bullet, should say > "context", not "conrtext". We will fix this. It is the 5th bullet. > > - In section 4.1.4, statistics list, "mean packet size" bullets > (both), should say "packet size" and "compressed packets" > instead of "packets size" and "packets". We agree. > > - In section 4.1.4, statistics list, "mean header size" bullets > (both), should say "passing" instead of "in". OK. > > - On page 11, "rohcChannelType", DESCRIPTION, missing "m" on > "might". We will fix this. > > - On page 12, "rohcInstanceTable", DESCRIPTION, end of > description should read "used for each ROHC instance" instead > of "used for ROHC". We would prefer either just "used", "used by the ROHC instance", "to which the ROHC instance is connected", or most precise "used by the ROHC instance as the ROHC channel". > > - On page 15, "rohcInstanceLargeCIDs", DESCRIPTION, should say > "returns true if the embedded" instead of > "returns true, the embedded" Yes. > > - On page 15, "rohcInstanceMRRU", DESCRIPTION, first sentence > has no end, ends with "according to." "According to" need to be removed. > > - On page 15, "rohcInstanceContextStorageTime", DESCRIPTION, > refers to "rohcInstanceContextExpireTime", which does not > exist. Should probably say "rohcInstanceContextStorageTime". OK. > > - On page 16, "rohcInstancePackets", DESCRIPTION, something is > missing in the sentence "Counter of passing this instance". The missing text is "all packets". > > - The most significant problem found is about the ProfileTable, > page 17-18. Both compressor and decompressor instances have > support for certain profiles, and one should be able to see > which profiles are supported and the properties of the > various profile implementations, independent of if the > instance is a compressor or a decompressor. What should also > be readable would be information of which profiles are > active, i.e. have been negotiated to be used on an instance. > As we have noticed during the last year, RFC 3095 is rather > confusing in this regard. So, I would propose the following: > > 1) Change the DESCRIPTION for "rohcProfileTable" to: > "This table lists a set of profiles supported by the instance." > > 2) Change the DESCRIPTION for "rohcProfileEntry" to: > "An entry describing a particular profile supported by the > instance." > > 3) Change the DESCRIPTION for "rohcProfile to: > "Identifier of a profile supported. For a listing of > possible profile values, see the IANA registry for ROHC > profiles [PROFILES]." > > 4) Add the following normative reference: > [PROFILES] "RObust Header Compression (ROHC) Profile > Identifiers", IANA registry at: > > > 5) Add the following to "RohcProfileEntry": > rohcProfileNegotiated TruthValue > > 6) Add: > rohcProfileNegotiated OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX TruthValue > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "When retrieved, this boolean object returns true > if the profile has been negotiated to be used at > the instance, i.e. is supported also be the > corresponding compressor/decompressor." > ::= { rohcProfileEntry 7 } > We agree on 1 to 6. > - On page 21, "rohcContextStorageTime", the indentation is > wrong (at least 3 spaces more than elsewhere). We will fix this. > > - On page 33, "rohcContextState", there is a (to me) unknown > state listed, "normal(2)". I do not know where this comes It comes from the UNCOMPRESSED profile. This is a copy and paste mistake. > from, but I am pretty sure it should not be there. Make it > 6 states by removing "normal". This affects both SYNTAX and > DESCRIPTION. > > - Section 6, end of 7th line, should say "rows", not "row". We will fix this typo. > > - Section 8.1, please change the way my name is written in > the second and third references, should be written "L-E.", > not "L.-E.". Thanks! Fine with us. Martin and Juergen. > > > That's all! > > Cheers, > /L-E > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: cabo@tzi.org [mailto:cabo@tzi.org] >>Sent: den 15 januari 2003 17:21 >>To: ROHC WG >>Subject: [rohc] WG last-call for ROHC MIB and related documents >> >> >>ROHCers, >> >>In Atlanta, we said we were going to have another re-spin of the ROHC >>MIB to include LLA. This has now been available for nearly a month, >>and we believe the document has received enough review to issue the WG >>last-call. Together with this goes the terminology and examples >>document as additional explanatory material that at some point is >>expected to become part of the ROHC draft standard. >> >>Therefore, we are now issuing a WG last-call for the following two >>documents: >> >> draft-ietf-rohc-mib-rtp-05.txt >> (for publication as Proposed Standard) >> >> draft-ietf-rohc-terminology-and-examples-01.txt >> (for publication as Informational) >> >>This is a regular two-week WG last-call. >> >>Please direct WG last-call comments to the ROHC mailing list >>rohc@ietf.org before Wed, 2003-01-29, 18:00 UTC. >> >>Gruesse, Carsten >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rohc mailing list >>Rohc@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc -- Martin Stiemerling NEC Europe Ltd. -- Network Laboratories Stiemerling@ccrle.nec.de IPv4: http://www.ccrle.nec.de IPv6: http://www.ipv6.ccrle.nec.de _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 29 12:47:52 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA24467 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0TI9OT11566 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:09:24 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0TI9OJ11563 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:09:24 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA24464 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0TI9AJ11553; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:09:10 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0TI81J11519 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:08:01 -0500 Received: from tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA24445 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from venus.office (venus.office [10.1.1.11]) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0THnSR80592; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:49:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Martin.Stiemerling@ccrle.nec.de) Received: from ccrle.nec.de (stiemerling.office [10.1.1.110]) by venus.office (Postfix on SuSE Linux eMail Server 3.0) with ESMTP id 4CD5CAD55; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:55:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3E381414.8030007@ccrle.nec.de> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:49:08 +0100 From: Martin Stiemerling Organization: NEC -- Network Labs Europe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.0rc3) Gecko/20020619 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann Cc: ROHC WG Subject: Re: [rohc] WG last-call for ROHC MIB and related documents References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, comments on draft-ietf-rohc-terminology-and-examples-01.txt by Juergen and me: General: The document is very good, it is clear and precise and it is very useful for understanding ROHC integration into network. General: The Title "Terminology and Examples for MIB Modules and Channel Mappings" addresses MIB Modules. But without knwoning the WG context of this document, the reader would not be able to find out what it has to do with MIB Modules. Therefore, we suggest choosing the Title that expresses the content of the document, rather than the context that led to its creation, e.g. (addapted from section 8, line 1-2): "Terminology and Concept for Use in ROHC Network Integration". General: Figures are not numbered. Since there are many of them in the document, we suggest to number them and give them captions. Section 2, Paragraph on "Co-located compressor/de-compressor": Line 4 talks about "the link" (and so does the paragraph on "Associated compressor/de-compressor"). However, the term "link" is not introduced. Therefore, some ambiquity remains in the terminology section. Can we clarfiy this by a proper definition of the term "link"? The beginning of section 3.1 has some text coming close to a definition of "link". Section 4, line 1: "For e.g. the purpose of " could perhaps be replaced by "For various purposes, such as". Section 4, line 8: We suggest expanding the sentence on N compressors and M decompressors: Replace "are arbitrary numbers." by " are arbitrary numbers, and N+M is the number of instances present at the IP interface." Section 7, paragraph 2, line 2: "(but normally limitted on per Channel basis)" could perhaps be replaced by "(but limitted)". Reasons: - it is always limited, not just normally - we are anyway talking on a instance basis, and we have a one-to-one mapping to channels. Section 7, figures: The terms "HC" and "HD" used in the figures should be either changed or explained. Section 7, line 5: Remove "state" (or alternatively remove "stream" in line 4). A packet stream relates to a context, not to a particular context state, because the state may change between packets. Section 8, item 5, line 2: The sentences is hard to read. We suggest replacing "logical layer two channels available" by "available logical layer two channels". Juergen and Martin Carsten Bormann wrote: > ROHCers, > > In Atlanta, we said we were going to have another re-spin of the ROHC > MIB to include LLA. This has now been available for nearly a month, > and we believe the document has received enough review to issue the WG > last-call. Together with this goes the terminology and examples > document as additional explanatory material that at some point is > expected to become part of the ROHC draft standard. > > Therefore, we are now issuing a WG last-call for the following two > documents: > > draft-ietf-rohc-mib-rtp-05.txt > (for publication as Proposed Standard) > > draft-ietf-rohc-terminology-and-examples-01.txt > (for publication as Informational) > > This is a regular two-week WG last-call. > > Please direct WG last-call comments to the ROHC mailing list > rohc@ietf.org before Wed, 2003-01-29, 18:00 UTC. > > Gruesse, Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc -- Martin Stiemerling NEC Europe Ltd. -- Network Laboratories Stiemerling@ccrle.nec.de IPv4: http://www.ccrle.nec.de IPv6: http://www.ipv6.ccrle.nec.de _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 30 01:37:51 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA10395 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:37:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0TNS0100369 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:28:00 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0TNRxJ00366 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:27:59 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03029 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0TNOtJ32690; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:24:57 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0TNNoJ32624 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:23:50 -0500 Received: from mgw-dax2.ext.nokia.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA02874 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:01:41 -0500 (EST) From: EXT-Narendra.Chaparala@nokia.com Received: from davir04nok.americas.nokia.com (davir04nok.americas.nokia.com [172.18.242.87]) by mgw-dax2.ext.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h0TN50210196 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:05:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from daebh002.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by davir04nok.americas.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:04:50 -0600 Received: from daebe008.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.18.242.238]) by daebh002.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:04:19 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:04:18 -0600 Message-ID: <7CA3477F476D7F4FB82F02960B79CEBD0231D095@daebe008.americas.nokia.com> Thread-Topic: SIP/SDP dictionary Version 5 Thread-Index: AcLH6s4mgEuOGhXDQuiDJ7KT57s2RQ== To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2003 23:04:19.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0E54200:01C2C7EA] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h0TNNoJ32625 Subject: [rohc] SIP/SDP dictionary Version 5 Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I'm having different state identifier (hash) value for the SIP/SDP static dictionary taken from draft-ietf-sipping-sigcomp-sip-dictionary-05.txt draft. I want to know if anyone encountered different hash value when a state of the static dictinary is created. The state identifier value for my calculation = 0x 22 ee d9 6f 22 2e thank you, Narendra _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 30 01:38:54 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA10427 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0U00aw02291 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:00:36 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0U00aJ02288 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:00:36 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03529 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0U00MJ02280; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:00:22 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0TNxKJ02214 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:59:20 -0500 Received: from tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03511 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from venus.office (venus.office [10.1.1.11]) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0TNe9R84526; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:40:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from quittek@ccrle.nec.de) Received: from [10.1.1.26] (dial02.office [10.1.1.26]) by venus.office (Postfix on SuSE Linux eMail Server 3.0) with ESMTP id A9EEB8718F; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:46:08 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:41:26 +0100 From: Juergen Quittek To: Carsten Bormann , ROHC WG Subject: Re: [rohc] WG last-call for ROHC MIB and related documents Message-ID: <3407229.1043887285@[10.1.1.26]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.2 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear ROHCers, A little bit after the deadline, I have two more comments on draft-ietf-rohc-mib-rtp-05.txt: General: The boilerplate for documents specifying MIB modules has changed recently. We should try to update the document accordingly. This will include changes in the introduction (Section 1), the MIB definition itself (Section 5), and the Referneces (Section 8). Section 8: The RFC editor suggests having two individual top level sections for normative and informative references instead of having them as subsections in a top level section on references. I suggest to adapt to this scheme transforming "8.Referneces 8.1 Normative Referneces 8.2 Informative References" into "8 Normative Referneces 9 Informative References" Juergen -- Juergen Quittek quittek@ccrle.nec.de Tel: +49 6221 90511-15 NEC Europe Ltd., Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 90511-55 Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.ccrle.nec.de -- Carsten Bormann wrote on 15 January 2003 17:20 +0100: > ROHCers, > > In Atlanta, we said we were going to have another re-spin of the ROHC > MIB to include LLA. This has now been available for nearly a month, > and we believe the document has received enough review to issue the WG > last-call. Together with this goes the terminology and examples > document as additional explanatory material that at some point is > expected to become part of the ROHC draft standard. > > Therefore, we are now issuing a WG last-call for the following two > documents: > > draft-ietf-rohc-mib-rtp-05.txt > (for publication as Proposed Standard) > > draft-ietf-rohc-terminology-and-examples-01.txt > (for publication as Informational) > > This is a regular two-week WG last-call. > > Please direct WG last-call comments to the ROHC mailing list > rohc@ietf.org before Wed, 2003-01-29, 18:00 UTC. > > Gruesse, Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > Rohc mailing list > Rohc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 30 01:39:26 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA10458 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0U05EP02445 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:05:14 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0U05EJ02442 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:05:14 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03572 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0U053J02432; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:05:03 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0U04LJ02394 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:04:21 -0500 Received: from zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03566 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from zrc2c011.us.nortel.com (zrc2c011.us.nortel.com [47.103.120.51]) by zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h0TNjcp12575; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:45:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from zrc2c009.us.nortel.com ([47.103.120.49]) by zrc2c011.us.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id DXWL9A8Y; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:45:38 -0600 Received: from iqmail.net (chowdury-2.us.nortel.com [47.103.84.30]) by zrc2c009.us.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id DRS1XFDN; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:45:38 -0600 Message-ID: <3E38667E.2030104@iqmail.net> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:40:46 -0600 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Kuntal Chowdhury User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "West, Mark (ITN)" CC: rohc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rohc] comment on ROHC-TCP References: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41805DF6631@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mark, when I re-read the text in section 3.3 I notice that it briefly points out the distinction between HTTP1.0 and HTTP1.1. I agree with you that for persistence to work, the server must support HTTP1.1 and it must be willing to keep the TCP connection open for multiple HTTP transactions. Actually this behavior of the application is controlled by the "Connection header". e.g.: Connection: Keep-Alive. Connection: Close. After receiving the first Connection header, the application in the MS pretty much knows whether the TCP socket is a persistent one or not. this knowledge can be leveraged in some way to distinguish which TCP connection is really short lived and which ones are not. Thoughts? -Kuntal West, Mark (ITN) wrote: > Hi Kuntal, > > Thanks for this comment (which relates to the behaviour as well as to the interpretation of this in the main compression draft). I've got a bunch of updates for the TCP behavior (thanks to a number of very useful comments from various people) -- and this has reminded me to post a proposed update! > > Broadly speaking, I agree with your distinction. However, it raises a couple of interesting points. For example, it is perhaps worth pointing out that 'short-lived' doesn't necessarily relate to the duration for which the connection is open, but rather the volume of data that is transferred. So, for example, the FTP control connection could be regarded as short-lived (at leat compared with the data connection)?! (I don't know if that necessarily makes an isolated short-lived connection less rare, though...) > > In principle, your comments about HTTP/1.0 vs HTTP/1.1 make sense. But if I understand it correctly, the benefits of HTTP/1.1 rely upon agreement between the browser and server and the appropriate configuration of both (certainly of the server)? You can certainly still have multiple connections to the server with HTTP/1.1. I'd certainly appreciate input on this application-layer behaviour, as it impacts on the transport. > > Anyway, I'll propose some updated (behaviour) text in the next few days. > > Cheers, > > Mark. > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Kuntal Chowdhury [mailto:kuntal@iqmail.net] >>Sent: 21 January 2003 20:38 >>To: rohc@ietf.org >>Subject: [rohc] comment on ROHC-TCP >> >> >>Hello folks, >>I think we need to separate the issues between a single short >>lived TCP >>connection (rare event) from multiple (near-)simultaneous short lived >>TCP connections. The reason being, the scenario of single short lived >>TCP connection applies to both HTTP1.0 and 1.1, however the >>scenario of >>multiple short lived (near-)simultaneous TCP connections may be a >>problem with HTTP1.0 only (HTTP1.1 solves the problem with >>persistence >>and pipelining as default behavior). Therefore I suggest, we split >>section 3.3 to discuss single short lived and multiple >>(near-)simultaneous short lived TCP connections separately. >> >>Thoughts? >> >>-Kuntal >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rohc mailing list >>Rohc@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>Registered Office: Roke Manor Research Ltd, Siemens House, Oldbury, Bracknell, >>Berkshire. RG12 8FZ >> >>The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments is confidential to Roke >> >> >>Manor Research Ltd and must not be passed to any third party without permission. This >> >> >>communication is for information only and shall not create or change any contractual >> >> >>relationship. > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 30 07:59:16 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA26295 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:59:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0UDLBJ30338 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:21:11 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0UDLBJ30335 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:21:11 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA26268 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0UDKrJ30318; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:20:54 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0UDIBJ30165 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:18:11 -0500 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA26151 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.69]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0UCxCKV007322; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:59:12 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:59:12 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)" To: "'rohc@ietf.org'" Cc: "'zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com'" , "'Adam Roach'" , "'Surtees, Abigail'" Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:57:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Subject: [rohc] DAP issues Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, The discussions on DAP should be ended this week as the SIPit is very close. All the participants that intend using DAP should accept a last version that should be available at latest on Monday morning. The accepted version should be used by the participants of SIPit. I have the following modification and extention proposals: * parameterization of compartment create: this line is processed only if line-6 brings CREATE line-6a = "state-memory-size" ":" *DIGIT CRLF if there is no parameter, the application on its own may choose a state memory size (it might be line-7 or whatever with shifting the other lines) * need-response should have values: ("ANY" / "PREV" / "NO") - ANY: implementation choice - PREV: send back the previously uncompressed message of the compartment (This is very useful for testing if the message was decompressed correctly, as the other endpoint does not know what I sent.) - NO: need no response * the header should not be arbitrary in case of a response. It should not be allowed to ask for a response in this case. It is most favourable that the message flow may be entirely controlled by one of the endpoints! * There should be another line to start/stop the dispatcher. Reason: there are tests even amongst the torture testst that use non-default values, and it is favourable to test all possible situations. line-x = "dispatcher-op" ":" ( "START" / "STOP" ); line-y = "dispatcher-params" ":" *DIGIT ":" *DIGIT ":" *DIGIT (may be inserted somewhere before the body line) The three parameters - each of which are optional - are the cpb, dms and sms values for the dispatcher, respectively. If any of them is not specified or invalid, the application may choose a valid value instead. With these modifications a whole series of tests may be run automatically. Please, consider the above issues and comment them! BR/Zacco _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 30 08:30:41 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA27495 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0UDqbE32519 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:52:37 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0UDqbJ32516 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:52:37 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA27471 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0UDqCJ32476; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:52:12 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0UDpqJ32457 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:51:52 -0500 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA27399 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.71]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0UDWuAv008376; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:32:56 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:32:56 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lars-Erik Jonsson (EAB)" To: "'Juergen Quittek'" , rohc@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rohc] WG last-call for ROHC MIB and related documents Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:28:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Juergen and others, Thanks for the review, all comments will be addressed in an update. However, this comment is a tricky one: > General: > The title "Terminology and Examples for MIB Modules and > Channel Mappings" addresses MIB modules. But without > knowing the WG context of this document, a reader would > not be able to find out what it has to do with MIB modules. > Therefore, I suggest choosing a title that expresses the > content of the document rather than the context that led > to its creation, for example (adapted from Section 8, > line 1-2: > "Terminology and Concepts for Use in ROHC Network Integration" Carsten and I have discussed the title of this document several times, and obviously it is hard to find a proper title. I think the current title is ok, although I agree that the presence of "MIB" in it might make it look relevant only for MIB's. I also think the title proposed above, or variants of it, would be ok. I do not have any strong opinions about this. Any thoughts from others? Rgds, /L-E _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 30 12:52:23 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA05473 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0UHtSQ18481 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:55:28 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0UHtSJ18478 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:55:28 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA05450 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0UHt6J18465; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:55:06 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0UHrfJ18421 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:53:41 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA05430 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:50:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:53:34 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804B88609@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "Surtees, Abigail" To: "'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'" , "'rohc@ietf.org'" Cc: "'zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com'" , "'Adam Roach'" Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:53:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Subject: [rohc] RE: DAP issues Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi all, >The discussions on DAP should be ended this week as the SIPit >is very close. All the participants that intend using DAP >should accept a last version that should be available at >latest on Monday morning. The accepted version should be used >by the participants of SIPit. This sounds reasonable to me. > >I have the following modification and extention proposals: > > >* need-response should have values: ("ANY" / "PREV" / "NO") > - ANY: implementation choice > - PREV: send back the previously uncompressed message >of the compartment > (This is very useful for testing if the message >was decompressed correctly, as the other endpoint does not >know what I sent.) > - NO: need no response > I think it is still defined in DAP to echo the received message back to the sender, uncompressed, so there isn't any need to recompress it and send it back for checking purposes. Consequently the TRUE/FALSE corresponds to ANY/NO and is sufficient for our testing at the moment. (ANY could be equivalent to PREV, depending upon the configuration of the decompressor) >* the header should not be arbitrary in case of a response. It >should not be allowed to ask for a response in this case. It >is most favourable that the message flow may be entirely >controlled by one of the endpoints! > I think that it makes sense for the receiver not to ask for a response so that the sending end is in control of the flow but I don't think it needs to be specified in DAP. The receiver can just never set the response field to TRUE and the sender should ignore this field. >* parameterization of compartment create: >this line is processed only if line-6 brings CREATE >line-6a = "state-memory-size" ":" *DIGIT CRLF >if there is no parameter, the application on its own may >choose a state memory size >(it might be line-7 or whatever with shifting the other lines) > >* There should be another line to start/stop the dispatcher. >Reason: there are tests even amongst the torture testst that >use non-default values, and it is favourable to test all >possible situations. > I believe that there is only one torture test now that doesn't run in 2K of memory and that it can be modified to run in 2K. >line-x = "dispatcher-op" ":" ( "START" / "STOP" ); >line-y = "dispatcher-params" ":" *DIGIT ":" *DIGIT ":" *DIGIT >(may be inserted somewhere before the body line) >The three parameters - each of which are optional - are the >cpb, dms and sms values for the dispatcher, respectively. If >any of them is not specified or invalid, the application may >choose a valid value instead. > I think that in both these cases there may be some merit in defining them in the future but that for the moment we have sufficient for a first face-to-face testing event. As it is defined a SigComp decompressor would not expect to have to change these parameters on the fly so to do it would bring extra implementation. It would also need more definition than this due to the fact that some of these are endpoint actions rather than compartment actions. If an endpoint were connected to 2 peers and one sent a dispatcher-op : STOP message, what would happen to the connection to the other peer?... I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that for the first testing event we want a simple protocol that we can ascertain quickly is doing what we expect so that we can concentrate on the SigComp testing itself. Then if we want to do more testing or possibly remote testing we could define some of these actions, later. Best regards, Abbie, >With these modifications a whole series of tests may be run >automatically. > >Please, consider the above issues and comment them! > >BR/Zacco > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 30 13:23:38 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06060 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0UIQiN20109 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:26:44 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0UIQiJ20106 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:26:44 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06056 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0UIQMJ20094; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:26:22 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0UIPWJ20067 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:25:32 -0500 Received: from mgw-dax2.ext.nokia.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06042 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:21:52 -0500 (EST) From: zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com Received: from davir04nok.americas.nokia.com (davir04nok.americas.nokia.com [172.18.242.87]) by mgw-dax2.ext.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h0UIPP206481 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:25:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from daebh002.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by davir04nok.americas.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:25:16 -0600 Received: from daebe005.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.18.242.203]) by daebh002.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:24:33 -0600 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:24:32 -0600 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: DAP issues Thread-Index: AcLIiJaN4EWfofhVTiqVmHuWSQUBrwAARRbg To: , , Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2003 18:24:33.0795 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6689530:01C2C88C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h0UIPWJ20068 Subject: [rohc] RE: DAP issues Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I agree pretty much with Abbie, especially the technical reasons. Let's keep this simple for the first sigcomp interop (we're running out of time). We will have time to discuss the next one after this. As Zacco proposed, please send any other comments by end of this week. I'll be on vacation tomorrow (Friday) and but be back on Monday. Will see if any other issues pop up (I hope not). BR, Zhigang > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Surtees, Abigail [mailto:abigail.surtees@roke.co.uk] > Sent: January 30, 2003 11:54 AM > To: 'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'; 'rohc@ietf.org' > Cc: Liu Zhigang.C (NRC/Dallas); 'Adam Roach' > Subject: RE: DAP issues > > > Hi all, > > >The discussions on DAP should be ended this week as the SIPit > >is very close. All the participants that intend using DAP > >should accept a last version that should be available at > >latest on Monday morning. The accepted version should be used > >by the participants of SIPit. > > This sounds reasonable to me. > > > > >I have the following modification and extention proposals: > > > > > > >* need-response should have values: ("ANY" / "PREV" / "NO") > > - ANY: implementation choice > > - PREV: send back the previously uncompressed message > >of the compartment > > (This is very useful for testing if the message > >was decompressed correctly, as the other endpoint does not > >know what I sent.) > > - NO: need no response > > > I think it is still defined in DAP to echo the received > message back to the sender, uncompressed, so there isn't any > need to recompress it and send it back for checking purposes. > Consequently the TRUE/FALSE corresponds to ANY/NO and is > sufficient for our testing at the moment. (ANY could be > equivalent to PREV, depending upon the configuration of the > decompressor) > > >* the header should not be arbitrary in case of a response. It > >should not be allowed to ask for a response in this case. It > >is most favourable that the message flow may be entirely > >controlled by one of the endpoints! > > > I think that it makes sense for the receiver not to ask for a > response so that the sending end is in control of the flow > but I don't think it needs to be specified in DAP. The > receiver can just never set the response field to TRUE and > the sender should ignore this field. > > >* parameterization of compartment create: > >this line is processed only if line-6 brings CREATE > >line-6a = "state-memory-size" ":" *DIGIT CRLF > >if there is no parameter, the application on its own may > >choose a state memory size > >(it might be line-7 or whatever with shifting the other lines) > > > >* There should be another line to start/stop the dispatcher. > >Reason: there are tests even amongst the torture testst that > >use non-default values, and it is favourable to test all > >possible situations. > > > I believe that there is only one torture test now that > doesn't run in 2K of memory and that it can be modified to run in 2K. > > >line-x = "dispatcher-op" ":" ( "START" / "STOP" ); > >line-y = "dispatcher-params" ":" *DIGIT ":" *DIGIT ":" *DIGIT > >(may be inserted somewhere before the body line) > >The three parameters - each of which are optional - are the > >cpb, dms and sms values for the dispatcher, respectively. If > >any of them is not specified or invalid, the application may > >choose a valid value instead. > > > > I think that in both these cases there may be some merit in > defining them in the future but that for the moment we have > sufficient for a first face-to-face testing event. > > As it is defined a SigComp decompressor would not expect to > have to change these parameters on the fly so to do it would > bring extra implementation. It would also need more > definition than this due to the fact that some of these are > endpoint actions rather than compartment actions. If an > endpoint were connected to 2 peers and one sent a > dispatcher-op : STOP message, what would happen to the > connection to the other peer?... > > I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that for the first testing > event we want a simple protocol that we can ascertain quickly > is doing what we expect so that we can concentrate on the > SigComp testing itself. Then if we want to do more testing > or possibly remote testing we could define some of these > actions, later. > > Best regards, > > Abbie, > > > >With these modifications a whole series of tests may be run > >automatically. > > > >Please, consider the above issues and comment them! > > > >BR/Zacco > > > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 31 07:10:10 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA04317 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0VCDcB21656 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:13:38 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0VCDcJ21653 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:13:38 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA04306 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0VCDFJ21636; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:13:15 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0VCCGJ21605 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:12:16 -0500 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA04301 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:08:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.69]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0VCBlAw005512; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:11:48 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:11:47 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)" To: "'rohc@ietf.org'" Cc: "'Surtees, Abigail'" Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:06:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Subject: [rohc] RE: DAP issues Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, If it is the decompressed message that should be sent back uncompressed then it's all right. It needs a little clarification in the doc. I e.g. thought it was the SigComp message that should be sent back. I agree, let's keep it simple. That is why even the least possibility of having dead lock should be removed! If we all agree that a response should not be asked in case of a response, let's have it specified in the doc! Including the received header also unnecessarily complicates the DAP logic. I think the header should not be included! Is there a special reason to have it? If not let's keep it simple! It is VERY IMPORTANT regarding the very short available time that there will be no interoperability problems with DAP. It should be STRICT with NO MAY in the specification, only MUST! BR/Zacco -----Original Message----- From: Surtees, Abigail [mailto:abigail.surtees@roke.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:54 PM To: 'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'; 'rohc@ietf.org' Cc: 'zhigang.c.liu@nokia.com'; 'Adam Roach' Subject: RE: DAP issues Hi all, >The discussions on DAP should be ended this week as the SIPit >is very close. All the participants that intend using DAP >should accept a last version that should be available at >latest on Monday morning. The accepted version should be used >by the participants of SIPit. This sounds reasonable to me. > >I have the following modification and extention proposals: > > >* need-response should have values: ("ANY" / "PREV" / "NO") > - ANY: implementation choice > - PREV: send back the previously uncompressed message >of the compartment > (This is very useful for testing if the message >was decompressed correctly, as the other endpoint does not >know what I sent.) > - NO: need no response > I think it is still defined in DAP to echo the received message back to the sender, uncompressed, so there isn't any need to recompress it and send it back for checking purposes. Consequently the TRUE/FALSE corresponds to ANY/NO and is sufficient for our testing at the moment. (ANY could be equivalent to PREV, depending upon the configuration of the decompressor) >* the header should not be arbitrary in case of a response. It >should not be allowed to ask for a response in this case. It >is most favourable that the message flow may be entirely >controlled by one of the endpoints! > I think that it makes sense for the receiver not to ask for a response so that the sending end is in control of the flow but I don't think it needs to be specified in DAP. The receiver can just never set the response field to TRUE and the sender should ignore this field. >* parameterization of compartment create: >this line is processed only if line-6 brings CREATE >line-6a = "state-memory-size" ":" *DIGIT CRLF >if there is no parameter, the application on its own may >choose a state memory size >(it might be line-7 or whatever with shifting the other lines) > >* There should be another line to start/stop the dispatcher. >Reason: there are tests even amongst the torture testst that >use non-default values, and it is favourable to test all >possible situations. > I believe that there is only one torture test now that doesn't run in 2K of memory and that it can be modified to run in 2K. >line-x = "dispatcher-op" ":" ( "START" / "STOP" ); >line-y = "dispatcher-params" ":" *DIGIT ":" *DIGIT ":" *DIGIT >(may be inserted somewhere before the body line) >The three parameters - each of which are optional - are the >cpb, dms and sms values for the dispatcher, respectively. If >any of them is not specified or invalid, the application may >choose a valid value instead. > I think that in both these cases there may be some merit in defining them in the future but that for the moment we have sufficient for a first face-to-face testing event. As it is defined a SigComp decompressor would not expect to have to change these parameters on the fly so to do it would bring extra implementation. It would also need more definition than this due to the fact that some of these are endpoint actions rather than compartment actions. If an endpoint were connected to 2 peers and one sent a dispatcher-op : STOP message, what would happen to the connection to the other peer?... I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that for the first testing event we want a simple protocol that we can ascertain quickly is doing what we expect so that we can concentrate on the SigComp testing itself. Then if we want to do more testing or possibly remote testing we could define some of these actions, later. Best regards, Abbie, >With these modifications a whole series of tests may be run >automatically. > >Please, consider the above issues and comment them! > >BR/Zacco > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 31 08:42:04 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA06176 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0VDjY926729 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:45:34 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0VDjYJ26726 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:45:34 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA06163 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0VDjFJ26718; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:45:15 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0VDiuJ26683 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:44:56 -0500 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA06149 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:40:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.69]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0VDiQKV003462 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:44:26 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:44:26 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)" To: "'rohc@ietf.org'" Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:29:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Subject: [rohc] SigComp interop test with SIPstacks Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, We have a tool above the SigComp layer that is capable of sending and receiving messages, checking if the received message is expected and decompressed with the expected number of cycles, handling multiple compartments and the dispatcher. If we are provided with complete message sequences, i.e. the SIP messages, what compartment they belong to and the order in that they should be sent and received, we are able to interoptest our SigComp implementation with other ones integrated in SIP. I propose that the participants of SIPit, who come with a SIP integrated SigComp implementation should provide SIP message sequences to the interested parties. It helps preparing for the SIPit, so some time may be saved. It may also serve as a kind of pretest, which might reveal technical or implementation problems in time to correct. Please, let me know if any of you are interested in this kind of testing. BR/Zacco _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 31 10:02:03 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA08779 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0VF5aY30928 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:05:36 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0VF5aJ30925 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:05:36 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA08770 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0VF5LJ30892; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:05:21 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0VF4EJ30850 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:04:14 -0500 Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA08735 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:03:43 -0000 Message-ID: <76C92FBBFB58D411AE760090271ED41804B88613@rsys002a.roke.co.uk> From: "Surtees, Abigail" To: "'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'" , "'rohc@ietf.org'" Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:03:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Subject: [rohc] RE: DAP issues Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi Zacco, >If it is the decompressed message that should be sent back >uncompressed then it's all right. It needs a little >clarification in the doc. I e.g. thought it was the SigComp >message that should be sent back. I think Zhigang clarified it in his mail on Tues, but we could add the following line to section 2, paragraph 2. "The entire DAP message (message-header + CRLF + message-body) is returned. This allows the sender to compare what it sent with what the receiver decompressed." >I agree, let's keep it simple. That is why even the least >possibility of having dead lock should be removed! If we all >agree that a response should not be asked in case of a >response, let's have it specified in the doc! I've just reread this section of DAP 1b and there does seem to be an issue with this that we must nail down. Either (as it states in DAP 1b) the receiver can set the need-response field to TRUE and both sender and receiver control the flow, allowing the possibility of infinite sending (fixed by one end setting the field to FALSE) or (as I suggested in my last mail) the sender is in control of the message flow, the receiver must NOT set the flag to TRUE. One thing to take into account is whether either approach will enable/prevent specific test patterns. The latter seems simpler to me, and I don't think it prevents anything. What does anyone else think? >Including the >received header also unnecessarily complicates the DAP logic. >I think the header should not be included! Is there a special >reason to have it? If not let's keep it simple! I'm not sure which header you are talking about here. My understanding (again, correct me if I'm wrong) is that in the case where the sender asks for a response we get: sender receiver ----------SigComp DAP_message_ 1(requesting response)-----> <---------DAP_message_1 in clear text---------------------------------- <---------SigComp DAP_message_2(no response)------------------ The body part of DAP_message_2 COULD be a copy of the body part of DAP_message_1 if the receiver so chooses but it would have to put its own DAP header on it so that the sender knows to which compartment and endpoint it belongs and whether to accept or reject it (the main reasons for DAP in the first place). >It is VERY IMPORTANT regarding the very short available time >that there will be no interoperability problems with DAP. It >should be STRICT with NO MAY in the specification, only MUST! > Agreed. Best regards, Abbie >BR/Zacco > > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 31 10:36:51 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA09742 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0VFeOO01199 for rohc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:40:24 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0VFeOJ01196 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:40:24 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA09738 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0VFeAJ01179; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:40:10 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0VFdcJ01120 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:39:38 -0500 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA09725 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.69]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0VFd6KV007628; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:39:06 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:39:06 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)" To: "'Surtees, Abigail'" , "'rohc@ietf.org'" Subject: RE: [rohc] RE: DAP issues Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:37:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Sender: rohc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rohc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rohc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Robust Header Compression List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi Abbie, see my inline comments below VVV -----Original Message----- From: Surtees, Abigail [mailto:abigail.surtees@roke.co.uk] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:04 PM To: 'Lajos Zaccomer (ETH)'; 'rohc@ietf.org' Subject: [rohc] RE: DAP issues Hi Zacco, >If it is the decompressed message that should be sent back >uncompressed then it's all right. It needs a little >clarification in the doc. I e.g. thought it was the SigComp >message that should be sent back. I think Zhigang clarified it in his mail on Tues, but we could add the following line to section 2, paragraph 2. "The entire DAP message (message-header + CRLF + message-body) is returned. This allows the sender to compare what it sent with what the receiver decompressed." >> This is the message header I would not like to have in the returned message. The uncompressed message is just enough. Do we need the header information for some special purpose? If yes, I promise I will not resist. >I agree, let's keep it simple. That is why even the least >possibility of having dead lock should be removed! If we all >agree that a response should not be asked in case of a >response, let's have it specified in the doc! I've just reread this section of DAP 1b and there does seem to be an issue with this that we must nail down. Either (as it states in DAP 1b) the receiver can set the need-response field to TRUE and both sender and receiver control the flow, allowing the possibility of infinite sending (fixed by one end setting the field to FALSE) or (as I suggested in my last mail) the sender is in control of the message flow, the receiver must NOT set the flag to TRUE. One thing to take into account is whether either approach will enable/prevent specific test patterns. The latter seems simpler to me, and I don't think it prevents anything. What does anyone else think? >> Agreed! >Including the >received header also unnecessarily complicates the DAP logic. >I think the header should not be included! Is there a special >reason to have it? If not let's keep it simple! >> see the header question above I'm not sure which header you are talking about here. My understanding (again, correct me if I'm wrong) is that in the case where the sender asks for a response we get: sender receiver ----------SigComp DAP_message_ 1(requesting response)-----> <---------DAP_message_1 in clear text---------------------------------- <---------SigComp DAP_message_2(no response)------------------ The body part of DAP_message_2 COULD be a copy of the body part of DAP_message_1 if the receiver so chooses but it would have to put its own DAP header on it so that the sender knows to which compartment and endpoint it belongs and whether to accept or reject it (the main reasons for DAP in the first place). >It is VERY IMPORTANT regarding the very short available time >that there will be no interoperability problems with DAP. It >should be STRICT with NO MAY in the specification, only MUST! > Agreed. Best regards, Abbie >BR/Zacco > > _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc _______________________________________________ Rohc mailing list Rohc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rohc