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Vocalscape, Inc. is an emerging developer of interactive communication software. The Company has created software and interactive solutions revolving around global communications and Data Voice Convergence. Vocalscape focuses on adding to customer's website and customer support centers by integrating website solutions that enable real human assistance, live interaction services such as instant messaging, voice over the Internet (VoIP) and interactive desktop solutions sharing solutions.

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According to Infonetics Research's quarterly market share and forecast service, Next Gen Voice Products, worldwide next generation voice product revenue totaled 389m in 2Q 2004, up 10 percent from 1Q 2004 and up 21 percent year-over-year. Annual revenue is projected to grow from $1.3b in 2003 to $4.8b in 2007.

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KATONAH, N.Y.,  /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- Vocalscape, Inc.(TM) Subject to the terms and conditions of the licence agreement, Click Communications has the non-exclusive right to use, distribute and otherwise commercialize Vocalscape's Web2Phone and Click2Talk pre-paid calling card solution.

Ryan Gibson, Vocalscape's Partner Strategist said, "The relationship with the Greek market is the stepping stone into Europe. Our partnership and license with the Click Communications team promises a long term profitable relationship and we look forward to deploying our turn key business model for their firm."

Click Communication's Lance Cameron said, "After several months of intense research with other VoIP vendors, I am very impressed with the quality the Vocalscape provides with their Eyefon product for PC-to-Phone communications. Vocalscape's pre paid calling card solution is a key product here in Greece because of the millions of tourists that come here every summer. And after the success of the Olympic games, the business will continue to grow."

About Click Communications. Click Communications is an emerging leader in the recently deregulated Greece telecommunications market. Click Communications is a privately held telecommunications company doing business in the newly deregulated Greece Market. The core of our business in Greece is in Athens, which is a key European Corporate headquarter for many multi-national companies.

 

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From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 8 10:11:20 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA17000 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:11:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iA8ElxwT077120; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:47:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iA8ElxQZ077119; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:47:59 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp002.bizmail.yahoo.com (smtp002.bizmail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.126]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id iA8ElvIf077070 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:47:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from turners@ieca.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (turners@ieca.com@130.129.133.55 with plain) by smtp002.bizmail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 14:47:58 -0000 Message-ID: <418F86A2.50102@ieca.com> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:45:54 -0500 From: "Sean P. Turner" Organization: IECA, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-smime@imc.org, "Santesson, Stefan" Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt References: <200410151953.PAA04312@ietf.org> In-Reply-To: <200410151953.PAA04312@ietf.org> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stefan,

Here are my comments on the draft:
  1. clause 1, I'd like to see something about why it's better to have it in the PKC than to just rely on the mechanism you used to get the recipient's certificate in the 1st place (you need get the certificate somehow).
  2. clause 1, I'd like to see something about this being the "static" solution and that dynamic solutions may be defined elsewhere.
  3. clause 1, Last para, 1st sentence: r leverage/leverages.
  4. clause 2, 2nd para: r RFC 2633/3851.
  5. clause 2, a "(the following is included for illustrative purposes only)" after following.
  6. clause 2, We have to specify whether it's a critical or non-critical extension.
  7. clause 2, last para: add period to end of sentence.
  8. clause 4, Are we going to need a module OID for this extension :)  I'm interested to see if using the same attribute/extension OID causes any compilers problems.
  9. clause 5: You need specify which references are normative/informative.
spt

Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote:
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Certificate extension for S/MIME Capabilities
	Author(s)	: S. Santesson
	Filename	: draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt
	Pages		: 5
	Date		: 2004-10-15
	
This document defines a certificate extension for inclusion of S/MIME
   capabilities in public key certificates defined by RFC 3280.

   S/MIME Capabilities provides an optional method to communicate
   cryptographic capabilities of the certified subject as a complement
   to use of the S/MIME Capabilities signed attribute in S/MIME messages
   according to RFC 3851.

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---bkGI5ziJ-i@JcgkKaiwJwy-- -- End -- ---bkGI5ziJ-i-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 8 11:44:19 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA28928 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iA8GKWfg005621; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:20:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iA8GKWML005620; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:20:32 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iA8GKREG005537 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:20:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ietf@augustcellars.com) Received: from romans (unknown [130.129.134.135]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B306B3B1; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:20:23 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'Russ Housley'" , "'Dieter Bratko'" , "'SMIME'" Subject: RE: To Meet or Not Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:20:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041014161552.02eb7b00@mail.binhost.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSyLP8EYOz8Qg0TTCGO3OooRtpTLQTgFRFQ Message-Id: <20041108162023.89B306B3B1@smtp4.pacifier.net> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I concur that there is an error in the document. My guess is that it was a cut and paste error as my code produces the correct values, but I tended to cut the entire blob in and then broke it apart. Russ and I will get an errata posted on this issue. jim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:18 PM > To: Dieter Bratko; SMIME > Subject: Re: To Meet or Not > > > I just reran my test code from the development of this RFC, > and you are correct. > > I do not remember if we used my code or Jim's code to > generate the test vector data for the RFC, but the PAD value > is incorrect in the RFC. > > >hmac_3des_key_wrap > 3DES KEK : > KEK Key 1 : 5840df6e 29b02af1 > KEK Key 2 : ab493b70 5bf16ea1 > KEK Key 3 : ae8338f4 dcc176a8 > > Length (L) : 14 > > KEY : c37b7e64 92584340 > : bed12207 80894115 > : 5068f738 > > PAD : be62fe > > ICV : 1f363a31 cdaa9037 > > LKEYPADICV : 14c37b7e 64925843 > : 40bed122 07808941 > : 155068f7 38be62fe > : 1f363a31 cdaa9037 > > IV : 050d8c79 e0d56b75 > > TEMP1 : 157a8210 f432836b > : a618b096 475c864b > : 6612969c dfa445b1 > : 5646bd00 500b2cc1 > > TEMP2 : 050d8c79 e0d56b75 > : 157a8210 f432836b > : a618b096 475c864b > : 6612969c dfa445b1 > : 5646bd00 500b2cc1 > > TEMP3 : c12c0b50 00bd4656 > : b145a4df 9c961266 > : 4b865c47 96b018a6 > : 6b8332f4 10827a15 > : 756bd5e0 798c0d05 > > Wrapped Key : 0f1d715d 75a0aaf6 > : 6f02e371 c08b79e2 > : a1253dc4 3040136b > : dc161118 601f2863 > : e2929b3b dd17697c > > > At 11:14 AM 10/14/2004, Dieter Bratko wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >there seems to be a typo in the HMACwith3DESwrap test vector > (chapter > >3.4) of RFC 3537. The PAD value is given as 38be62; but should be > >be62fe (see LKEYPADICV)? > > > >Regards, > >Dieter Bratko > > > >--------- > >Dieter Bratko, mailto:Dieter.Bratko@iaik.at SIC - Stiftung Secure > >Information and Communication Technologies IAIK, > Inffeldgasse 16a, 8010 > >Graz, Austria, http://jce.iaik.tugraz.at/ > > > From alfreddowell@securemovie.com Mon Nov 8 11:54:23 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00461 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CRCnG-0006pJ-3B for smime-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:55:02 -0500 Received: from switch-120-194.securenetexchange.com ([69.42.120.194]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1CRCmf-0000yq-3O for smime-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:54:25 -0500 From: "Fast Track Success" To: "smime-archive@ietf.org" Subject: Go to college from home! Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:54:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0376706C7068306475666B6C7968436C6877693172756A$4df803ge2@jesiph.securemovie.com> X-Spam-Score: 4.7 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit










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Turner" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2004 16:57:56.0249 (UTC) FILETIME=[97594090:01C4C80F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id iABGvski062649 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the review Sean, I comment your observations below. I have incorporated these changes in a new ID-01 which I will submit as soon as we have agreed on all issues. Stefan Santesson Microsoft Security Center of Excellence (SCOE)   ________________________________________ From: Sean P. Turner [mailto:turners@ieca.com] Sent: den 8 november 2004 15:46 To: ietf-smime@imc.org; Stefan Santesson Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt Stefan, Here are my comments on the draft: 1. clause 1, I'd like to see something about why it's better to have it in the PKC than to just rely on the mechanism you used to get the recipient's certificate in the 1st place (you need get the certificate somehow). [SS] This is the only one I don't understand. What mechanism to obtain the users certificate are u referring to? If you obtain the certificate from a directory or some other database then there are no specified means of having a signed S/MIME attribute. If you obtain the certificate from a signed mail, then the capabilities in the signed mail should normally have preference, which is stated in section 3. 2. clause 1, I'd like to see something about this being the "static" solution and that dynamic solutions may be defined elsewhere. 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(turners@ieca.com@130.129.130.56 with plain) by smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 20:16:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4193C826.7050406@ieca.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:14:30 -0500 From: "Sean P. Turner" Organization: IECA, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Santesson CC: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt References: <0C3042E92D8A714783E2C44AB9936E1D01643505@EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <0C3042E92D8A714783E2C44AB9936E1D01643505@EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess I should withdraw #1. I had this simple idea in mind that we had an attribute why not just put it in the repository entry that also contains the certificate. But, we've only got an S/MIME attribute not a repository (LDAP/X.500) attribute. The rest of it looks fine to me. spt Stefan Santesson wrote: >Thanks for the review Sean, > >I comment your observations below. >I have incorporated these changes in a new ID-01 which I will submit as soon as we have agreed on all issues. > >Stefan Santesson >Microsoft Security Center of Excellence (SCOE) > >________________________________________ >From: Sean P. Turner [mailto:turners@ieca.com] >Sent: den 8 november 2004 15:46 >To: ietf-smime@imc.org; Stefan Santesson >Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt > >Stefan, > >Here are my comments on the draft: >1. clause 1, I'd like to see something about why it's better to have it in the PKC than to just rely on the mechanism you used to get the recipient's certificate in the 1st place (you need get the certificate somehow). > >[SS] This is the only one I don't understand. What mechanism to obtain the users certificate are u referring to? > >If you obtain the certificate from a directory or some other database then there are no specified means of having a signed S/MIME attribute. If you obtain the certificate from a signed mail, then the capabilities in the signed mail should normally have preference, which is stated in section 3. > >2. clause 1, I'd like to see something about this being the "static" solution and that dynamic solutions may be defined elsewhere. > >[SS] OK, I have added that in the draft update. > >3. clause 1, Last para, 1st sentence: r leverage/leverages. > >[SS] Fixed in the update. > >4. clause 2, 2nd para: r RFC 2633/3851. > >[SS] Error corrected in update. I only refer to 3851 though since it obsoletes 2633. > >5. clause 2, a "(the following is included for illustrative purposes only)" after following. > >[SS] Fixed in update. > >6. clause 2, We have to specify whether it's a critical or non-critical extension. > >[SS] Fixed. Now says it MUST NOT be critical. > >7. clause 2, last para: add period to end of sentence. > >[SS] Fixed. > >8. clause 4, Are we going to need a module OID for this extension :) I'm interested to see if using the same attribute/extension OID causes any compilers problems. > >[SS] No we don't. I talked to Russ about that. And thus we don't need an ASN.1 section either. I have removed that from the updated ID. > >9. clause 5: You need specify which references are normative/informative. >spt > >[SS] Done. > > >Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Certificate extension for S/MIME Capabilities > Author(s) : S. Santesson > Filename : draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt > Pages : 5 > Date : 2004-10-15 > >This document defines a certificate extension for inclusion of S/MIME > capabilities in public key certificates defined by RFC 3280. > > S/MIME Capabilities provides an optional method to communicate > cryptographic capabilities of the certified subject as a complement > to use of the S/MIME Capabilities signed attribute in S/MIME messages > according to RFC 3851. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt > >To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to >i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. >You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce >to change your subscription settings. > > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username >"anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, >type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt". > >A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in >http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > >Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > >Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. >In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt". > >NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > >Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >Internet-Draft. > > > > > From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 11 15:58:52 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA26836 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iABKdFVj011042; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:39:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iABKdFV7011041; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:39:15 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mx2.magma.ca (mx2.magma.ca [206.191.0.250]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iABKdFxH011034 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:39:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from capel@comgate.com) Received: from mail1.magma.ca (mail1.magma.ca [206.191.0.252]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id iABKdFW7008212; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:39:16 -0500 Received: from tony (ottawa-hs-209-217-122-183.s-ip.magma.ca [209.217.122.183]) by mail1.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id iABKdDEX001323; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:39:16 -0500 From: "Tony Capel" To: "'Stefan Santesson'" , Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:42:17 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c4c82e$ef60b600$01b5a8c0@tony> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0C3042E92D8A714783E2C44AB9936E1D01643505@EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id iABKdFxH011036 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Stefan: A nice short document, hopefully the following will be helpful!: 1. Clause 1, Introduction: It is understood that the prime driver for this draft is to provide a mechanism to signal the receiver's available and default encryption algorithms, but it might be appropriate to mention in the introduction that the mechanism will also allow other receiver capabilities to be obtained. In the first paragraph you may wish to add a sentence indicating that capabilities in addition to the encryption algorithms may also be provided. In the third paragraph, you may not wish to restrict the mechanism's applicability to only encrypted first messages, since it is useful for initial signed messages as well (e.g. initial signed message may be compressed). Possibly change "encrypted message" to "S/MIME message" to make it more general. 2. Clause 3 In the second paragraph, it is declared out of scope to discuss what should be considered as a more reliable source of this information. However, I would have preferred a note at least introducing the options for establishing the precedence of capability information from multiple sources. For example: The Capabilities in the PKC are inherently signed by the certificate issuer, who is normally considered more trusted than the end-user who signed the Capabilities in a signed message. (So one approach is to take PKC information in precedence to Capabilities received in a signed message.) Another approach is to presume that the "latest" list should be used. I believe this was discussed earlier on the list. Another approach when receiving the capabilities from more than one source is to use the most restrictive set. 3 Other Issues. 3.1 There is no explicit statement that the S/MIME Capabilities are only (?) to be included in the encryption PKC in multiple keypair implementations. I assume this is intended since it does not make sense to include most currently defined S/MIME capability attributes in signing PKC's. But I worry about the compression attribute (for signed-only exchanges where there need be no encryption certificate), and S/MIME Capability attributes are extensible so we cannot know the future. Some explicit guidance may be appropriate ("... put the attributes in the relevant PKC ..."), and noting that if attributes are duplicated across PKC's they should not conflict. Right now I think what is put in which PKC(s) is open to interpretation (some implementers may put the info in all the PKC's). 3.2 I believe there should be more discussion about the impact of this approach on certificate revocation, both in terms of the overhead of re-issuing certificates and the impact on the size of the CRL. In large organizations with many certificates this may represent a barrier to the use of this mechanism. Finally, in Clause 4, "week" should be "weak". 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Believe it or not but your mail arrived 5 seconds after I hit the send button to submit an updated draft based on Sean's review :) So I will hold on the trigger and wait with any changes based on your comments for inclusion in the next update provided that they are only editorial. I comment below; Stefan Santesson Microsoft Security Center of Excellence (SCOE) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Capel [mailto:capel@comgate.com] > Sent: den 11 november 2004 21:42 > To: Stefan Santesson; ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt > > Stefan: > > A nice short document, hopefully the following will be helpful!: > > > 1. Clause 1, Introduction: > > It is understood that the prime driver for this draft is to provide a > mechanism > to signal the receiver's available and default encryption algorithms, but > it > might be appropriate to mention in the introduction that the mechanism > will also > allow other receiver capabilities to be obtained. In the first paragraph > you > may wish to add a sentence indicating that capabilities in addition to the > encryption algorithms may also be provided. > > In the third paragraph, you may not wish to restrict the mechanism's > applicability to only encrypted first messages, since it is useful for > initial > signed messages as well (e.g. initial signed message may be compressed). > Possibly change "encrypted message" to "S/MIME message" to make it more > general. > [Stefan] The intention behind this work has primary been to support encryption in initial messages, but provided that there might be some use in terms of selecting appropriate signing properties, I have no problem generalizing the text to "S/MIME message" and using encryption as a prime example. If someone thinks this is wrong, then please note me. > > 2. Clause 3 > > In the second paragraph, it is declared out of scope to discuss what > should be > considered as a more reliable source of this information. However, I > would have > preferred a note at least introducing the options for establishing the > precedence of capability information from multiple sources. For example: > > The Capabilities in the PKC are inherently signed by the certificate > issuer, who > is normally considered more trusted than the end-user who signed the > Capabilities in a signed message. (So one approach is to take PKC > information > in precedence to Capabilities received in a signed message.) > > Another approach is to presume that the "latest" list should be used. I > believe > this was discussed earlier on the list. > > Another approach when receiving the capabilities from more than one source > is to > use the most restrictive set. > [Stefan] Going into such suggestions is in my mind hard and dangerous. This draft is limited to the protocol definitions and can't make authoritative decisions or recommendations regarding the security policy applied by implementers. Examples you give may be true in some environments but not in others and this document lack the context to make any suggestions. The most we can do is to raise a flag in the security considerations sections which is already done. I doubt that we can go further than that. > > 3 Other Issues. > > 3.1 There is no explicit statement that the S/MIME Capabilities are only > (?) to > be included in the encryption PKC in multiple keypair implementations. I > assume > this is intended since it does not make sense to include most currently > defined > S/MIME capability attributes in signing PKC's. But I worry about the > compression attribute (for signed-only exchanges where there need be no > encryption certificate), and S/MIME Capability attributes are extensible > so we > cannot know the future. Some explicit guidance may be appropriate ("... > put the > attributes in the relevant PKC ..."), and noting that if attributes are > duplicated across PKC's they should not conflict. Right now I think what > is put > in which PKC(s) is open to interpretation (some implementers may put the > info in > all the PKC's). [Stefan] I object also to this suggestion by the same reason. Every certificate must be correct on its own merits. A certificate is correct if it contain the appropriate information for its intended usage. That is not affected by other certificates hold by the user. > > 3.2 I believe there should be more discussion about the impact of this > approach > on certificate revocation, both in terms of the overhead of re-issuing > certificates and the impact on the size of the CRL. In large > organizations with > many certificates this may represent a barrier to the use of this > mechanism. > [Stefan] First I would disagree that this is a likely problem. Our own experience with using this extension for over 50.000 users has not driven any increased revocation activity because there is hardly any event that would cause any such need. The only event we could see is in the case where a supported algorithm suddenly gets severely broken. In other cases we find that the encryption policy can be updated in sync with regular certificate renewals. If an algorithm must be added on short notice, then we can renew without any need for revocation (the old list would still be valid, just incomplete). This issue is however discussed in the security considerations section. I believe this is sufficient. > > Finally, in Clause 4, "week" should be "weak". > [Stefan] Thanks. 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Believe it or not but your mail arrived 5 seconds after I hit the send button to submit an updated draft based on Sean's review :) So I will hold on the trigger and wait with any changes based on your comments for inclusion in the next update provided that they are only editorial. I comment below; Stefan Santesson Microsoft Security Center of Excellence (SCOE) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Capel [mailto:capel@comgate.com] > Sent: den 11 november 2004 21:42 > To: Stefan Santesson; ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt > > Stefan: > > A nice short document, hopefully the following will be helpful!: > > > 1. Clause 1, Introduction: > > It is understood that the prime driver for this draft is to provide a > mechanism > to signal the receiver's available and default encryption algorithms, but > it > might be appropriate to mention in the introduction that the mechanism > will also > allow other receiver capabilities to be obtained. In the first paragraph > you > may wish to add a sentence indicating that capabilities in addition to the > encryption algorithms may also be provided. > > In the third paragraph, you may not wish to restrict the mechanism's > applicability to only encrypted first messages, since it is useful for > initial > signed messages as well (e.g. initial signed message may be compressed). > Possibly change "encrypted message" to "S/MIME message" to make it more > general. > [Stefan] The intention behind this work has primary been to support encryption in initial messages, but provided that there might be some use in terms of selecting appropriate signing properties, I have no problem generalizing the text to "S/MIME message" and using encryption as a prime example. If someone thinks this is wrong, then please note me. > > 2. Clause 3 > > In the second paragraph, it is declared out of scope to discuss what > should be > considered as a more reliable source of this information. However, I > would have > preferred a note at least introducing the options for establishing the > precedence of capability information from multiple sources. For example: > > The Capabilities in the PKC are inherently signed by the certificate > issuer, who > is normally considered more trusted than the end-user who signed the > Capabilities in a signed message. (So one approach is to take PKC > information > in precedence to Capabilities received in a signed message.) > > Another approach is to presume that the "latest" list should be used. I > believe > this was discussed earlier on the list. > > Another approach when receiving the capabilities from more than one source > is to > use the most restrictive set. > [Stefan] Going into such suggestions is in my mind hard and dangerous. This draft is limited to the protocol definitions and can't make authoritative decisions or recommendations regarding the security policy applied by implementers. Examples you give may be true in some environments but not in others and this document lack the context to make any suggestions. The most we can do is to raise a flag in the security considerations sections which is already done. I doubt that we can go further than that. > > 3 Other Issues. > > 3.1 There is no explicit statement that the S/MIME Capabilities are only > (?) to > be included in the encryption PKC in multiple keypair implementations. I > assume > this is intended since it does not make sense to include most currently > defined > S/MIME capability attributes in signing PKC's. But I worry about the > compression attribute (for signed-only exchanges where there need be no > encryption certificate), and S/MIME Capability attributes are extensible > so we > cannot know the future. Some explicit guidance may be appropriate ("... > put the > attributes in the relevant PKC ..."), and noting that if attributes are > duplicated across PKC's they should not conflict. Right now I think what > is put > in which PKC(s) is open to interpretation (some implementers may put the > info in > all the PKC's). [Stefan] I object also to this suggestion by the same reason. Every certificate must be correct on its own merits. A certificate is correct if it contain the appropriate information for its intended usage. That is not affected by other certificates hold by the user. > > 3.2 I believe there should be more discussion about the impact of this > approach > on certificate revocation, both in terms of the overhead of re-issuing > certificates and the impact on the size of the CRL. In large > organizations with > many certificates this may represent a barrier to the use of this > mechanism. > [Stefan] First I would disagree that this is a likely problem. Our own experience with using this extension for over 50.000 users has not driven any increased revocation activity because there is hardly any event that would cause any such need. The only event we could see is in the case where a supported algorithm suddenly gets severely broken. In other cases we find that the encryption policy can be updated in sync with regular certificate renewals. If an algorithm must be added on short notice, then we can renew without any need for revocation (the old list would still be valid, just incomplete). This issue is however discussed in the security considerations section. I believe this is sufficient. > > Finally, in Clause 4, "week" should be "weak". > [Stefan] Thanks. 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This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Certificate extension for S/MIME Capabilities Author(s) : S. Santesson Filename : draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-01.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2004-11-12 This document defines a certificate extension for inclusion of S/MIME capabilities in public key certificates defined by RFC 3280. S/MIME Capabilities provides an optional method to communicate cryptographic capabilities of the certified subject as a complement to use of the S/MIME Capabilities signed attribute in S/MIME messages according to RFC 3851. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-01.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-11-12134803.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-01.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-01.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-11-12134803.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iABKdFVj011042; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:39:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iABKdFV7011041; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:39:15 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mx2.magma.ca (mx2.magma.ca [206.191.0.250]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iABKdFxH011034 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:39:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from capel@comgate.com) Received: from mail1.magma.ca (mail1.magma.ca [206.191.0.252]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id iABKdFW7008212; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:39:16 -0500 Received: from tony (ottawa-hs-209-217-122-183.s-ip.magma.ca [209.217.122.183]) by mail1.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id iABKdDEX001323; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:39:16 -0500 From: "Tony Capel" To: "'Stefan Santesson'" , Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:42:17 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c4c82e$ef60b600$01b5a8c0@tony> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0C3042E92D8A714783E2C44AB9936E1D01643505@EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id iABKdFxH011036 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Stefan: A nice short document, hopefully the following will be helpful!: 1. Clause 1, Introduction: It is understood that the prime driver for this draft is to provide a mechanism to signal the receiver's available and default encryption algorithms, but it might be appropriate to mention in the introduction that the mechanism will also allow other receiver capabilities to be obtained. In the first paragraph you may wish to add a sentence indicating that capabilities in addition to the encryption algorithms may also be provided. In the third paragraph, you may not wish to restrict the mechanism's applicability to only encrypted first messages, since it is useful for initial signed messages as well (e.g. initial signed message may be compressed). Possibly change "encrypted message" to "S/MIME message" to make it more general. 2. Clause 3 In the second paragraph, it is declared out of scope to discuss what should be considered as a more reliable source of this information. However, I would have preferred a note at least introducing the options for establishing the precedence of capability information from multiple sources. For example: The Capabilities in the PKC are inherently signed by the certificate issuer, who is normally considered more trusted than the end-user who signed the Capabilities in a signed message. (So one approach is to take PKC information in precedence to Capabilities received in a signed message.) Another approach is to presume that the "latest" list should be used. I believe this was discussed earlier on the list. Another approach when receiving the capabilities from more than one source is to use the most restrictive set. 3 Other Issues. 3.1 There is no explicit statement that the S/MIME Capabilities are only (?) to be included in the encryption PKC in multiple keypair implementations. I assume this is intended since it does not make sense to include most currently defined S/MIME capability attributes in signing PKC's. But I worry about the compression attribute (for signed-only exchanges where there need be no encryption certificate), and S/MIME Capability attributes are extensible so we cannot know the future. Some explicit guidance may be appropriate ("... put the attributes in the relevant PKC ..."), and noting that if attributes are duplicated across PKC's they should not conflict. Right now I think what is put in which PKC(s) is open to interpretation (some implementers may put the info in all the PKC's). 3.2 I believe there should be more discussion about the impact of this approach on certificate revocation, both in terms of the overhead of re-issuing certificates and the impact on the size of the CRL. In large organizations with many certificates this may represent a barrier to the use of this mechanism. Finally, in Clause 4, "week" should be "weak". Regards, Tony Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iABKGlnS006382; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:16:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iABKGllf006381; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:16:47 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.175.83]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id iABKGksZ006366 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:16:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from turners@ieca.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (turners@ieca.com@130.129.130.56 with plain) by smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 20:16:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4193C826.7050406@ieca.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:14:30 -0500 From: "Sean P. Turner" Organization: IECA, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Santesson CC: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt References: <0C3042E92D8A714783E2C44AB9936E1D01643505@EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <0C3042E92D8A714783E2C44AB9936E1D01643505@EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I guess I should withdraw #1. I had this simple idea in mind that we had an attribute why not just put it in the repository entry that also contains the certificate. But, we've only got an S/MIME attribute not a repository (LDAP/X.500) attribute. The rest of it looks fine to me. spt Stefan Santesson wrote: >Thanks for the review Sean, > >I comment your observations below. >I have incorporated these changes in a new ID-01 which I will submit as soon as we have agreed on all issues. > >Stefan Santesson >Microsoft Security Center of Excellence (SCOE) > >________________________________________ >From: Sean P. Turner [mailto:turners@ieca.com] >Sent: den 8 november 2004 15:46 >To: ietf-smime@imc.org; Stefan Santesson >Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt > >Stefan, > >Here are my comments on the draft: >1. clause 1, I'd like to see something about why it's better to have it in the PKC than to just rely on the mechanism you used to get the recipient's certificate in the 1st place (you need get the certificate somehow). > >[SS] This is the only one I don't understand. What mechanism to obtain the users certificate are u referring to? > >If you obtain the certificate from a directory or some other database then there are no specified means of having a signed S/MIME attribute. If you obtain the certificate from a signed mail, then the capabilities in the signed mail should normally have preference, which is stated in section 3. > >2. clause 1, I'd like to see something about this being the "static" solution and that dynamic solutions may be defined elsewhere. > >[SS] OK, I have added that in the draft update. > >3. clause 1, Last para, 1st sentence: r leverage/leverages. > >[SS] Fixed in the update. > >4. clause 2, 2nd para: r RFC 2633/3851. > >[SS] Error corrected in update. I only refer to 3851 though since it obsoletes 2633. > >5. clause 2, a "(the following is included for illustrative purposes only)" after following. > >[SS] Fixed in update. > >6. clause 2, We have to specify whether it's a critical or non-critical extension. > >[SS] Fixed. Now says it MUST NOT be critical. > >7. clause 2, last para: add period to end of sentence. > >[SS] Fixed. > >8. clause 4, Are we going to need a module OID for this extension :) I'm interested to see if using the same attribute/extension OID causes any compilers problems. > >[SS] No we don't. I talked to Russ about that. And thus we don't need an ASN.1 section either. I have removed that from the updated ID. > >9. clause 5: You need specify which references are normative/informative. >spt > >[SS] Done. > > >Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Certificate extension for S/MIME Capabilities > Author(s) : S. Santesson > Filename : draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt > Pages : 5 > Date : 2004-10-15 > >This document defines a certificate extension for inclusion of S/MIME > capabilities in public key certificates defined by RFC 3280. > > S/MIME Capabilities provides an optional method to communicate > cryptographic capabilities of the certified subject as a complement > to use of the S/MIME Capabilities signed attribute in S/MIME messages > according to RFC 3851. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt > >To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to >i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. >You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce >to change your subscription settings. > > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username >"anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, >type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt". > >A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in >http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > >Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > >Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. >In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt". > >NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > >Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >Internet-Draft. > > > > > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iABGvtUN062678; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:57:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iABGvt8h062677; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:57:55 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-eur1.microsoft.com (mail-eur1.microsoft.com [213.199.128.139]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iABGvrki062648 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:57:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefans@microsoft.com) Received: from EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.192.44]) by mail-eur1.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1247); Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:57:56 +0000 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:57:49 -0000 Message-ID: <0C3042E92D8A714783E2C44AB9936E1D01643505@EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt Thread-Index: AcTFogkP5LEbY3RzQRuXf1tO7XXMRwCa3kow From: "Stefan Santesson" To: "Sean P. Turner" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2004 16:57:56.0249 (UTC) FILETIME=[97594090:01C4C80F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id iABGvski062649 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the review Sean, I comment your observations below. I have incorporated these changes in a new ID-01 which I will submit as soon as we have agreed on all issues. Stefan Santesson Microsoft Security Center of Excellence (SCOE)   ________________________________________ From: Sean P. Turner [mailto:turners@ieca.com] Sent: den 8 november 2004 15:46 To: ietf-smime@imc.org; Stefan Santesson Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt Stefan, Here are my comments on the draft: 1. clause 1, I'd like to see something about why it's better to have it in the PKC than to just rely on the mechanism you used to get the recipient's certificate in the 1st place (you need get the certificate somehow). [SS] This is the only one I don't understand. What mechanism to obtain the users certificate are u referring to? If you obtain the certificate from a directory or some other database then there are no specified means of having a signed S/MIME attribute. If you obtain the certificate from a signed mail, then the capabilities in the signed mail should normally have preference, which is stated in section 3. 2. clause 1, I'd like to see something about this being the "static" solution and that dynamic solutions may be defined elsewhere. [SS] OK, I have added that in the draft update. 3. clause 1, Last para, 1st sentence: r leverage/leverages. [SS] Fixed in the update. 4. clause 2, 2nd para: r RFC 2633/3851. [SS] Error corrected in update. I only refer to 3851 though since it obsoletes 2633. 5. clause 2, a "(the following is included for illustrative purposes only)" after following. [SS] Fixed in update. 6. clause 2, We have to specify whether it's a critical or non-critical extension. [SS] Fixed. Now says it MUST NOT be critical. 7. clause 2, last para: add period to end of sentence. [SS] Fixed. 8. clause 4, Are we going to need a module OID for this extension :)  I'm interested to see if using the same attribute/extension OID causes any compilers problems. [SS] No we don't. I talked to Russ about that. And thus we don't need an ASN.1 section either. I have removed that from the updated ID. 9. clause 5: You need specify which references are normative/informative. spt [SS] Done. Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Certificate extension for S/MIME Capabilities Author(s) : S. Santesson Filename : draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2004-10-15 This document defines a certificate extension for inclusion of S/MIME capabilities in public key certificates defined by RFC 3280. S/MIME Capabilities provides an optional method to communicate cryptographic capabilities of the certified subject as a complement to use of the S/MIME Capabilities signed attribute in S/MIME messages according to RFC 3851. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iA8Icq6Y058667; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iA8Icqu5058666; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [144.202.240.3]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id iA8IcloR058652 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:38:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Received: (qmail 19096 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2004 18:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Russ-Laptop.vigilsec.com) (130.129.135.212) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 18:38:45 -0000 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041108133751.035f6780@mail.binhost.com> X-Sender: housley@mail.binhost.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:38:47 -0500 To: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Russ Housley Subject: RE: To Meet or Not Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:24:43 -0400 >To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org >From: Russ Housley >Subject: RFC 3537 Errata > >Dear RFC Editor: > >There is a typographical error in section 3.4 of RFC 3537. >Since this error occurs in an algorithm test vector, it is >important to publish the corrected data. > >OLD: > > PAD : 38be62 > >NEW: > > PAD : be62fe > >Thanks, > Russ Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iA8GKWfg005621; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:20:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iA8GKWML005620; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:20:32 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iA8GKREG005537 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:20:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ietf@augustcellars.com) Received: from romans (unknown [130.129.134.135]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B306B3B1; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:20:23 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'Russ Housley'" , "'Dieter Bratko'" , "'SMIME'" Subject: RE: To Meet or Not Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:20:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041014161552.02eb7b00@mail.binhost.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSyLP8EYOz8Qg0TTCGO3OooRtpTLQTgFRFQ Message-Id: <20041108162023.89B306B3B1@smtp4.pacifier.net> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I concur that there is an error in the document. My guess is that it was a cut and paste error as my code produces the correct values, but I tended to cut the entire blob in and then broke it apart. Russ and I will get an errata posted on this issue. jim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:18 PM > To: Dieter Bratko; SMIME > Subject: Re: To Meet or Not > > > I just reran my test code from the development of this RFC, > and you are correct. > > I do not remember if we used my code or Jim's code to > generate the test vector data for the RFC, but the PAD value > is incorrect in the RFC. > > >hmac_3des_key_wrap > 3DES KEK : > KEK Key 1 : 5840df6e 29b02af1 > KEK Key 2 : ab493b70 5bf16ea1 > KEK Key 3 : ae8338f4 dcc176a8 > > Length (L) : 14 > > KEY : c37b7e64 92584340 > : bed12207 80894115 > : 5068f738 > > PAD : be62fe > > ICV : 1f363a31 cdaa9037 > > LKEYPADICV : 14c37b7e 64925843 > : 40bed122 07808941 > : 155068f7 38be62fe > : 1f363a31 cdaa9037 > > IV : 050d8c79 e0d56b75 > > TEMP1 : 157a8210 f432836b > : a618b096 475c864b > : 6612969c dfa445b1 > : 5646bd00 500b2cc1 > > TEMP2 : 050d8c79 e0d56b75 > : 157a8210 f432836b > : a618b096 475c864b > : 6612969c dfa445b1 > : 5646bd00 500b2cc1 > > TEMP3 : c12c0b50 00bd4656 > : b145a4df 9c961266 > : 4b865c47 96b018a6 > : 6b8332f4 10827a15 > : 756bd5e0 798c0d05 > > Wrapped Key : 0f1d715d 75a0aaf6 > : 6f02e371 c08b79e2 > : a1253dc4 3040136b > : dc161118 601f2863 > : e2929b3b dd17697c > > > At 11:14 AM 10/14/2004, Dieter Bratko wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >there seems to be a typo in the HMACwith3DESwrap test vector > (chapter > >3.4) of RFC 3537. The PAD value is given as 38be62; but should be > >be62fe (see LKEYPADICV)? > > > >Regards, > >Dieter Bratko > > > >--------- > >Dieter Bratko, mailto:Dieter.Bratko@iaik.at SIC - Stiftung Secure > >Information and Communication Technologies IAIK, > Inffeldgasse 16a, 8010 > >Graz, Austria, http://jce.iaik.tugraz.at/ > > > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iA8ElxwT077120; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:47:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iA8ElxQZ077119; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:47:59 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp002.bizmail.yahoo.com (smtp002.bizmail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.126]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id iA8ElvIf077070 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:47:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from turners@ieca.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Here are my comments on the draft:
  1. clause 1, I'd like to see something about why it's better to have it in the PKC than to just rely on the mechanism you used to get the recipient's certificate in the 1st place (you need get the certificate somehow).
  2. clause 1, I'd like to see something about this being the "static" solution and that dynamic solutions may be defined elsewhere.
  3. clause 1, Last para, 1st sentence: r leverage/leverages.
  4. clause 2, 2nd para: r RFC 2633/3851.
  5. clause 2, a "(the following is included for illustrative purposes only)" after following.
  6. clause 2, We have to specify whether it's a critical or non-critical extension.
  7. clause 2, last para: add period to end of sentence.
  8. clause 4, Are we going to need a module OID for this extension :)  I'm interested to see if using the same attribute/extension OID causes any compilers problems.
  9. clause 5: You need specify which references are normative/informative.
spt

Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote:
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Certificate extension for S/MIME Capabilities
	Author(s)	: S. Santesson
	Filename	: draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-00.txt
	Pages		: 5
	Date		: 2004-10-15
	
This document defines a certificate extension for inclusion of S/MIME
   capabilities in public key certificates defined by RFC 3280.

   S/MIME Capabilities provides an optional method to communicate
   cryptographic capabilities of the certified subject as a complement
   to use of the S/MIME Capabilities signed attribute in S/MIME messages
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