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I have been implementing the unified  VRRP MIB = and was stopped when it came to the implementation of support for the = vrrpNewMasterReason object {vrrpOperations 9}.

Per the MIB provided descriptions, it can serve two = goals:

-          It can be delivered with = vrrpTrapNewMaster, along the vrrpOperationsMasterIpAddr object

-          It can be pooled “if = the vrrpTrapNewMaster is lost to identify the reason for “transmission…” = (N.B: Should not it be “transition”, = instead?).

 

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  3. The polling message = does not identify any specific virtual router

-- the question sounds as = follow:

 

Which virtual router status needs to be returned in = response to the polling of the VRRP router?

 

Does VRRP router need to remember the last transiting virtual router and respond with its status? =

What will be the relevance of sending of virtual = router status that is completely out of context?

 

I will appreciate your prompt = answer.

 

Thanks,

Sylwester

 

 

 

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You bring up a good issue regarding the state not having a context when pooled. This needs to be corrected in=20 next revision. I will fix this by including vrrpStateChangeReason (see below) in vrrpOperationsTable. Please let me know your comments about this change. =20 On a side note: One of the to-do items for the next draft is to replace vrrpTrapNewMaster with vrrpStateChange. We had discussions on this=20 in feb/march of this year and this is one of the changes suggested by Carl.=20 =20 This will also add a new vrrpStateChangeReason replacing vrrpNewMasterReason.=20 =20 I stopped working on the next revision waiting for VRRP v3 draft to be published. Now that this is published, I will start working on the next revision.=20 =20 Following is the mail I sent to the list some time back, Would appreciate your comments : =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hi, I would like some working group opinion on deprecating vrrpTrapNewMaster and adding vrrpStateChange notification as Carl suggested. vrrpStateChange NOTIFICATION-TYPE OBJECTS { vrrpOperationsMasterIpAddr, vrrpOperationsState, vrrpStateChangeReason } STATUS current DESCRIPTION "Notification of VRRP state change." ::=3D { vrrpNotifications 4 } Will it be useful to include a previous state in the notification? If we deprecate vrrpTrapNewMaster, I can change the names of newly added objects to not contain the word 'trap'.=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 Thanks,=20 Kalyan=20 =20 ________________________________ From: ext Sylwester Chojkiewicz [mailto:sylwester@ipinfusion.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:01 PM To: vrrp@ietf.org Subject: [VRRP] Unified VRRP-MIB: vrrpNewMasterReason Hi, =20 I have been implementing the unified VRRP MIB and was stopped when it came to the implementation of support for the vrrpNewMasterReason object {vrrpOperations 9}. Per the MIB provided descriptions, it can serve two goals: - It can be delivered with vrrpTrapNewMaster, along the vrrpOperationsMasterIpAddr object - It can be pooled "if the vrrpTrapNewMaster is lost to identify the reason for "transmission..." (N.B: Should not it be "transition", instead?). =20 As far as the "polling" is concerned, assuming the following: 1. The VRRP router is running several virtual routers at the same time=20 2. Each virtual router can become Master or Backup at any time - independently of the others=20 3. The polling message does not identify any specific virtual router=20 -- the question sounds as follow: =20 Which virtual router status needs to be returned in response to the polling of the VRRP router?=20 =20 Does VRRP router need to remember the last transiting virtual router and respond with its status?=20 What will be the relevance of sending of virtual router status that is completely out of context?=20 =20 I will appreciate your prompt answer. =20 Thanks, Sylwester =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C837A8.B419CD6E Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi Sylwester,   
 

- Does VRRP = router need to=20 remember the last transiting virtual router and respond with its status? =

- What will be = the relevance=20 of sending of virtual router status that is completely out of context?=20

 

The intent was to allow management stations = to identify=20 the reason a system became master even when notifications = are

lost.  You bring up a good issue = regarding=20 the state not having a context when pooled. This needs to be corrected = in=20

next revision. I will fix this by including=20 vrrpStateChangeReason (see below) in vrrpOperationsTable. Please let me = know=20 your comments about this change.

 
On a side note:
      One of the to-do items for = the next=20 draft is to replace vrrpTrapNewMaster  with vrrpStateChange. We had = discussions on this
in feb/march of this year and this = is one of=20 the changes suggested by Carl.
 
This will also add a new=20 vrrpStateChangeReason  replacing vrrpNewMasterReason. =
 
I stopped working on the next = revision=20 waiting for VRRP v3 draft to be published. Now that this is=20 published,
I will start working on the next = revision.=20
 
Following is the mail I sent to = the list=20 some time back, Would appreciate your comments :
 
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Hi,

I would like some working group opinion on deprecating = vrrpTrapNewMaster

and adding vrrpStateChange notification as Carl suggested.

vrrpStateChange NOTIFICATION-TYPE

OBJECTS { vrrpOperationsMasterIpAddr, vrrpOperationsState,=20 vrrpStateChangeReason }

STATUS current

DESCRIPTION

"Notification of VRRP state change."

::=3D { vrrpNotifications 4 }

Will it be useful to include a previous state in the = notification?

If we deprecate vrrpTrapNewMaster, I can change the names of newly = added=20 objects to not contain the word 'trap'.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<= /SPAN>
 
Thanks,
Kalyan
 

From: ext Sylwester Chojkiewicz=20 [mailto:sylwester@ipinfusion.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, = 2007=20 2:01 PM
To: vrrp@ietf.org
Subject: [VRRP] Unified = VRRP-MIB:=20 vrrpNewMasterReason

Hi,

 

I have been implementing = the unified=20  VRRP MIB and was stopped when it came to the implementation of = support for=20 the vrrpNewMasterReason object {vrrpOperations = 9}.

Per the MIB provided = descriptions,=20 it can serve two goals:

-         =20 It can be delivered with=20 vrrpTrapNewMaster, along the vrrpOperationsMasterIpAddr=20 object

-         =20 It can be pooled “if = the=20 vrrpTrapNewMaster is lost to identify the reason for = “transmission…” (N.B:=20 Should not it be “transition”, = instead?).

 

As far as the = “polling” is=20 concerned, assuming the following:

  1. The VRRP = router is=20 running several virtual routers at the same = time=20
  2. Each = virtual router=20 can become Master or Backup at any time - independently of the=20 others=20
  3. The = polling message=20 does not identify any specific virtual router =

-- the question sounds as=20 follow:

 

Which virtual router = status needs to=20 be returned in response to the polling of the VRRP router?=20

 

Does VRRP router need to = remember=20 the last transiting virtual router and respond with its status?=20

What will be the relevance = of=20 sending of virtual router status that is completely out of context?=20

 

I will appreciate your = prompt=20 answer.

 

Thanks,

Sylwester

 

 

 

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Please let me know your comments about this change. =20 On a side note: One of the to-do items for the next draft is to replace vrrpTrapNewMaster with vrrpStateChange. We had discussions on this=20 in feb/march of this year and this is one of the changes suggested by Carl.=20 =20 This will also add a new vrrpStateChangeReason replacing vrrpNewMasterReason.=20 =20 I stopped working on the next revision waiting for VRRP v3 draft to be published. Now that this is published, I will start working on the next revision.=20 =20 Following is the mail I sent to the list some time back, Would appreciate your comments : =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hi, I would like some working group opinion on deprecating vrrpTrapNewMaster and adding vrrpStateChange notification as Carl suggested. vrrpStateChange NOTIFICATION-TYPE OBJECTS { vrrpOperationsMasterIpAddr, vrrpOperationsState, vrrpStateChangeReason } STATUS current DESCRIPTION "Notification of VRRP state change." ::=3D { vrrpNotifications 4 } Will it be useful to include a previous state in the notification? If we deprecate vrrpTrapNewMaster, I can change the names of newly added objects to not contain the word 'trap'.=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 Thanks,=20 Kalyan=20 =20 ________________________________ From: ext Sylwester Chojkiewicz [mailto:sylwester@ipinfusion.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:01 PM To: vrrp@ietf.org Subject: [VRRP] Unified VRRP-MIB: vrrpNewMasterReason Hi, =20 I have been implementing the unified VRRP MIB and was stopped when it came to the implementation of support for the vrrpNewMasterReason object {vrrpOperations 9}. Per the MIB provided descriptions, it can serve two goals: - It can be delivered with vrrpTrapNewMaster, along the vrrpOperationsMasterIpAddr object - It can be pooled "if the vrrpTrapNewMaster is lost to identify the reason for "transmission..." (N.B: Should not it be "transition", instead?). =20 As far as the "polling" is concerned, assuming the following: 1. The VRRP router is running several virtual routers at the same time=20 2. Each virtual router can become Master or Backup at any time - independently of the others=20 3. The polling message does not identify any specific virtual router=20 -- the question sounds as follow: =20 Which virtual router status needs to be returned in response to the polling of the VRRP router?=20 =20 Does VRRP router need to remember the last transiting virtual router and respond with its status?=20 What will be the relevance of sending of virtual router status that is completely out of context?=20 =20 I will appreciate your prompt answer. =20 Thanks, Sylwester =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C837CD.56959554 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I  mean Polled and not Pooled = ..

Thanks, =
Kalyan

 

From: ext vrrp-bounces@ietf.org=20 [mailto:vrrp-bounces@ietf.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, = 2007=20 5:38 PM
To: sylwester@ipinfusion.com; = vrrp@ietf.org
Subject:=20 RE: [VRRP] Unified VRRP-MIB: vrrpNewMasterReason

hi Sylwester,   
 

- Does VRRP = router need to=20 remember the last transiting virtual router and respond with its status? =

- What will be = the relevance=20 of sending of virtual router status that is completely out of context?=20

 

The intent was to allow management stations = to identify=20 the reason a system became master even when notifications = are

lost.  You bring up a good issue = regarding=20 the state not having a context when pooled. This needs to be corrected = in=20

next revision. I will fix this by including=20 vrrpStateChangeReason (see below) in vrrpOperationsTable. Please let me = know=20 your comments about this change.

 
On a side note:
      One of the to-do items for = the next=20 draft is to replace vrrpTrapNewMaster  with vrrpStateChange. We had = discussions on this
in feb/march of this year and this = is one of=20 the changes suggested by Carl.
 
This will also add a new=20 vrrpStateChangeReason  replacing vrrpNewMasterReason. =
 
I stopped working on the next = revision=20 waiting for VRRP v3 draft to be published. Now that this is=20 published,
I will start working on the next = revision.=20
 
Following is the mail I sent to = the list=20 some time back, Would appreciate your comments :
 
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Hi,

I would like some working group opinion on deprecating = vrrpTrapNewMaster

and adding vrrpStateChange notification as Carl suggested.

vrrpStateChange NOTIFICATION-TYPE

OBJECTS { vrrpOperationsMasterIpAddr, vrrpOperationsState,=20 vrrpStateChangeReason }

STATUS current

DESCRIPTION

"Notification of VRRP state change."

::=3D { vrrpNotifications 4 }

Will it be useful to include a previous state in the = notification?

If we deprecate vrrpTrapNewMaster, I can change the names of newly = added=20 objects to not contain the word 'trap'.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<= /SPAN>
 
Thanks,
Kalyan
 

From: ext Sylwester Chojkiewicz=20 [mailto:sylwester@ipinfusion.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, = 2007=20 2:01 PM
To: vrrp@ietf.org
Subject: [VRRP] Unified = VRRP-MIB:=20 vrrpNewMasterReason

Hi,

 

I have been implementing = the unified=20  VRRP MIB and was stopped when it came to the implementation of = support for=20 the vrrpNewMasterReason object {vrrpOperations = 9}.

Per the MIB provided = descriptions,=20 it can serve two goals:

-         =20 It can be delivered with=20 vrrpTrapNewMaster, along the vrrpOperationsMasterIpAddr=20 object

-         =20 It can be pooled “if = the=20 vrrpTrapNewMaster is lost to identify the reason for = “transmission…” (N.B:=20 Should not it be “transition”, = instead?).

 

As far as the = “polling” is=20 concerned, assuming the following:

  1. The VRRP = router is=20 running several virtual routers at the same = time=20
  2. Each = virtual router=20 can become Master or Backup at any time - independently of the=20 others=20
  3. The = polling message=20 does not identify any specific virtual router =

-- the question sounds as=20 follow:

 

Which virtual router = status needs to=20 be returned in response to the polling of the VRRP router?=20

 

Does VRRP router need to = remember=20 the last transiting virtual router and respond with its status?=20

What will be the relevance = of=20 sending of virtual router status that is completely out of context?=20

 

I will appreciate your = prompt=20 answer.

 

Thanks,

Sylwester

 

 

 

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Replying as I am currently working on unified MIB. I agree with you that RFC2338 doesn't specify this restriction and the restriction is=20 only in the MIB and not in the protocol. We made some changes to unified MIB which is based on RFC 2787 and it mentions : "The RowStatus variable should be used in accordance to=20 installation and removal conventions for conceptual =20 rows. When `vrrpOperationsRowStatus' is set to =20 active(1), no other objects in the conceptual row can=20 be modified. .." I think this should be ok. Please let me know if you have any comments on this. Thanks, Kalyan -----Original Message----- From: ext Kjeld Mortensen [mailto:k.h.mortensen@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:54 AM To: vrrp@ietf.org Subject: [VRRP] Changing master priority without going down I have noticed that RFC2787 (Definitions of Managed Objects for the Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol) under vrrpOperRowStatus describes that: "... When `vrrpOperRowStatus' is set to active(1), no other objects in the conceptual row, with the exception of `vrrpOperAdminState', can be modified. Prior to setting the `vrrpOperRowStatus' object from `active' to a different value, the `vrrpOperAdminState' object must be set to `down' and the `vrrpOperState' object be transitioned to `initialize'. ..." The implication of this is that if you change the, say, priority of the master, then it will always transition to "initialize" and then "backup" -- even if the master priority is set to a higher value. As far as I can see this is an unnecessary restriction of RFC2338 (Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol), and the VRRP protocol state machine should be able to handle priority changes without taking the master down. Although the restriction will make the MIB implementation simpler I don't really see why it is necessary to describe such a restriction in the MIB. 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