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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 10:59:31 -0500 (EST)
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From: "Robert J. Schreiner" <rs6l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Make.Money.Fast
To: big-internet@munnari.oz.au


: Dear Friend,

:    My name is Dave Rhodes. In September 1988 my car was
: reposessed and the bill collectors were hounding me like you
: wouldn't believe. I was laid off and my unemployment checks had
: run out. The only escape I had from the pressure of failure was
: my computer and my modem. I longed to turn my advocation into my
: vocation.

:    This January 1989 my family and I went on a ten day cruise to
: the tropics. I bought a Lincoln Town Car for CASH in Feburary
: 1989.

:    I am currently building a home on the West Coast of Florida,
: with a private pool, boat slip, and a beautiful view of the bay
: from my breakfast room table and patio. I will never have to work
: again. Today I am rich! I have earned over $400,000.00 (Four
: Hundred Thousand Dollars) to date and will become a millionaire
: within 4 or 5 months. Anyone can do the same. This money making
: program works perfectly every time, 100% of the time. I have
: NEVER failed to earn $50,000.00 or more whenever I wanted. Best
: of all you never have to leave home except to go to your mailbox
: or post office.

:    In October 1988, I received a lefter in the mail
: telling me how I could earn $50,000 dollars or more whenever I
: wanted. I was naturally very skeptical and threw the letter on
: the desk next to my computer.  It's funny though, when you are
: desperate, backed into a corner, your mind does crazy things. I
: spent a frustating day looking through the want ads for a job
: with a future. The pickings were sparse at best. That night I
: tried to unwind by booting up my computer and calling several
: bulletin boards. I read several of the message posts and than
: glanced at the lefter next to the computer. Allat once it came to
: me, I now had the key to my dreams.  I realized that with the
: power of the computer I could expand and enhance this money
: making formula into the most unbelievable cash flow generator
: that has ever been created. I substituted the computer bulletin
: boards in place of the post office and electronically did by
: computer what others were doing 100% by mail. Now only a few
: lefters are mailed manually. Most of the hard work is speedily
: downloaded to other bulletin boards throughout the world. If you
: believe that someday you deserve that lucky break that you have
: waited for all your life, simply follow the easy instructions
: below. Your dreams will come true.  Sincerely yours, Dave Rhodes

: INSTRUCTIONS

: Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you will
: have received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours. This program
: has remained successful because of the honesty and integrity of
: the participants. Please continue its success by carefully
: adhering to the instructions. Welcome to the world of Mail Order!
: This little business is a little different than most mail order
: houses. Your product is not solid and tangible, but rather a
: service. You are in the business of developing Mailing
: lists. Many large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for
: quality lists.(The money made from the mailing lists are
: secondary to the income which is made from people like yourself
: requesting that they be included in that list.)

:         1) Immediately mail $1.00 to the first 5 (five) names
: listed  below starting at number 1 through number 5.  Send cash
: only please (totalinvestment $5.00).  Enclose a note with each
: letter stating: "Please add my name to your mailing list." (This
: is a legitimate service that you are requesting and you are
: paying $1.00 for this service).

:         2) Remove the name that appears number 1 on the list.
: Move the other 9 names up one position.  (Number 2 will become
: number 1 and number 3 will become number 2, etc.) Place your name,
: address and zip code in the number 10 position.

:         3) Post the new letter with your name in the number 10
: position into 10 (Ten) separate bulletin boards in the message
: base or to the file section, call the file, MAKE.MONEY.FAST.

:         4) Within 60 days you will receive over $50,000.00 in CASH.

:         Keep a copy of this file for yourself so that you can use it
: again and again whenever you need money.  As soon as you mail out
: these letters you are automatically in the mail order business and
: people are sending you $1.00 to be placed on your mailing list.
: This list can than be rented to a list broker that can be found
: in the Yellow Pages for additional income on a regular basis.
: The list will become more valuable as it grows in size.  This is
: a service.  This is perfectly legal.  If you have any doubts,
: refer to Title 18, Sec.1302 & 1341 of the postal lottery laws.

:         NOTE:  Make sure you retain EVERY Name and Address sent to
: you, either on computer or hard copy, but do not discard the names
: and notes they send you.  This is PROOF that you are truely providing
: a service and should the IRS or some other Government Agency
: question you, you can provide them with this proof! Remember as
: each post is downloaded and the instructions carefully followed,
: five members will be reimbursed for their participation as a List
: Developer with one dollar each.  Your name will move up the list
: geometrically so that when your name reaches the number five
: position you will be receiving thousands of dollars in cash.


: 1. Joe Alexis 
:    24722 GA Tech Station 
:    Atlanta, GA 30332 

: 2. John Stewart
:    140 Bay State Road
:    Box 1138
:    Boston, MA 02215

: 3. Fredick Dihlman
:    Box 388
:    St. Bonaventure Univ.

: 4. Dennis Le
:    8142 19th Street
:    Westminster, CA 92683

: 5. Toni Mason
:    2405A Landmark
:    Raleigh, NC  27607

: 6. Kalen Schulteis
:       Box 1622
:       5500 Wabash Avenue
:       Terre Haute, IN  47803

: 7. Anthony M. Mazzola III
:    C.P.U. 171
:    300 Grace Watson Circle
:    Rochester, New York  14623

: 8. Lee Moua
:     610 Beacon Street
:     Box 3411
:     Boston, MA  02215

: 9. Dan Tyson
     411 Meadowbrook Dr.
     North Versailles,Pa. 15137
:
:10. R.J. Schreiner
     1303 Lovi Rd.
     Freedom, Pa. 15042
:

: The following letters were written by participating members in
: this program.

:   To Whom It May Concern:  About six months ago I received the
: enclosed post in letter form.  I ignored it.  I received about
: five more of the same letter within the next two weeks.  I
: ignored them also.  Of course, I was tempted to follow through
: and dreamed of making thousands, but I was convinced it was just
: another gimmick and could not possibly work.  I was wrong!  About
: three weeks later I saw this same letter posted on a local
: bulletin board in Montreal. I liked the idea of giving it a try
: with my computer.  I didn't expect much because I figured, if
: other people were as skeptical as I, they wouldn't be too quick
: to part with Five Dollars.  But, I buy lottery tickets weekly in
: my province and have nothing to show for it but ticket stubs.
: This week I decided to look at this as my weekly lottery
: purchase.  I addressed the envelopes and mailed out one dollar in
: each as directed.  Two weeks went by and I didn't recieve
: anything in the mail.  The fourth week rolled around and I
: couldn't believe what happened!  I can't say I received $50,000,
: but it was definitely well over $35,000!  For the first time in
: ten years, I got out of debt.  It was great.  Of course, it
: didn't take me long to go through my earnings so I am using this
: excellent money opportunity once again.  Follow the instructions
: and get ready to enjoy.  Please send a copy of this letter along
: with the enclosed letter so together we can convince people who
: are skeptical that it really works!

:                         Good Luck, Charles Kust St Agathe Que.

: Another lefter:  I tried a similar program in which the cost was
: $5.00 per response.  In that one the return was about 3%.  Since
: I did not have a modem I sent out letters regular mail.  I
: created a few mailing labels and printed out all of the labels on
: pressure sensitive tape.  The first mailing that I used the $1.00
: dollar per reponse approach I started to get return mail in just
: over one week! I sent out 200 letters instead of 100 that is
: required if you use the mail instead of the bulletin boards.
: Additionally, I included as many friends, relatives, classmates,
: that I could think of in order to encourage their participation
: if they happened to recognize my name, so my percentage of gain
: was higher.  I am trying again with 500 lefters to see if I
: surpass the $141,000 of the last time. You just won't believe it
: until you try.

:                          Best Wishes, Mark Garner Dallas Texas

: Additional Notes:  This system works equally well if mailed out
: manually.  Mind you it takes more effort to hand address the
: envelopes and the cost goes up proportionately to cover the
: postage and envelopes.  You must also photo copy the
: instructions, cross out the name in number one position, write in
: your name in the number ten slot and change the rest of the
: numbers accordingly.  (it might be neater to use white out or
: paste over the names.) In order to achieve the same results you
: must send out the $1.00 dollar to the first five names and then
: send out another 100 letters with copies of the program enclosed.
: It has been suggested not to put a return address on the outside
: of the envelope in order to encourage the recipient to open it.
: The return will approximate that then received from the posts
: listed on the bulletin boards.

: 
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To: big-internet@munnari.oz.au
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In the hopes of forestalling much flaming about this unfortunate posting.

I just got off the phone with the folks at CMU, who are following up on
this posting.  At this point, they don't know even if it was Mr. Schreiner
or someone who found his account logged in on some console and decided to
play a prank on him.  In any case, the matter is in good hands and being
handled professionally.

Craig

PS: If you feel some need to reply to this post, kindly do so privately and
spare Big-Internet.


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Subject: Re: the Make.Money.Fast note 
In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 10 Feb 94 09:15:15 -0800.
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Hi folks:

    One last note.  Apparently it was a case of someone hacking Mr. Schreiner's
account and sending out the posting so he'd get grief.

    So, kindly spare Mr. Schreiner from the usual flames -- let's try to
convince him the Internet is actually understanding to its victims...

Thanks!

Craig


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From: Simon Hackett <simon@internode.com.au>
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Subject: current "state of play" for the IP:ng candidates?
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Folks,

Does anyone have handy a reasonably current summary of each of the major
contenders for IP:tng, and a brief idea of where the process is up to at
this point? If you do, I'd love to hear from you!

I'm not looking for major dissertations, just a few sentences about each
contender, a few sentences about their current technical status, and a few more
sentences about the current status of the overall decision making process.

I suspect that this might be something useful or at least interesting
to various people, so perhaps sending that summary to the list rather than
just to me would be the best. I've not been able to follow the
process very closely for a while...

Failing that, pointers to a summary of each contender (in terms of
the name of a relevant internet draft, etc) would also be very helpful.

Thanks!
Simon Hackett

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Hi,
    Please add me in this list. Thank you.

Lily Chen
Telecommunication Labs


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To: big-internet@munnari.oz.au
Subject: 2nd Integrated Services BOF
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Hi folks:
    
    You may have noticed that there are 2 Integrated Services BOFs on
Monday afternoon.  The hope is that the final agenda will show that those
meetings are of the Integrated Services WG (we're awaiting IESG approval),
and I've been trying to lie low until the WG charter is approved.

    However, I think we're getting close enough to IETF that IPng'ers should
be warned that the second meeting (1600-1800 Monday) is to be devoted to
discussing what requirements, if any, support for integrated services
will place on IPng.  The outcome will be a list of recommendations to
the directorate.

    While this meeting may seem to be putting the cart before the horse
(the WG will have barely started its work on devising an integrated services
architecture), the IPng area directors have made it clear that if there are any
requirements that integrated services impose, we need to give those
requirements to the IPng directorate soon.  Furthermore, my informal
discussions with the folks who have been working on integrated services
suggest that while there's still considerable diversity of opinion about
many pieces of the architecture, there may be basic concensus about the
kinds of information the IPng datagram headers should contain.

    Also, since the situation is that the failure to make a recommendation
is likely as harmful as making a recommendation that is wrong, I'm planning
discourage arguments like "we don't know enough yet" and rather ask folks
to support their views (for or against a given recommendation) based on
what we know.  (I.e., statements like "well, we don't know everything, but
from what we know, feature X does not appear to require support in the IPng
header for these reasons...." are preferred).  We'll then incorporate the
weasel words (if needed) in our recommendations to the directorate.

    We expect to e-mail some background materials to the (proto)-WG list
over the next few weeks.  For those interested, the list is

	INT-SERV-REQUEST@ISI.EDU

Thanks!

Craig
proposed chair, INT SERV WG

PS: Oh yes, the first meeting -- that's a WG organization meeting.  A chance
to go over the charter, discuss how we're going to achieve our goals,
and in general, plan.