Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa02883; 8 Jan 96 23:50 EST Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa02865; 8 Jan 96 23:50 EST Received: from naic.arc.nasa.gov by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa00667; 8 Jan 96 23:50 EST Received: by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id UAA18291; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from hood.cbn.net.id by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id UAA18286; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:29:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601090429.UAA18286@nic.nasa.gov> Received: from ip104.cbn.net.id by hood.cbn.net.id (NTMail 3.00.06) id aa009054 Tue, 9 Jan 96 04:36:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 11:38:08 -0800 Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: Tony X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isn-wg@nic.nasa.gov Subject: Interent Background. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orig-Sender: owner-isn-wg@nic.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Could you please tell me where can I get a comprehensive list of documents about the history and the technical working of internet. How is it that we can also setup ourselves as an internet provider. Thanks   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa16031; 10 Jan 96 18:25 EST Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa16027; 10 Jan 96 18:25 EST Received: from naic.arc.nasa.gov by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa14262; 10 Jan 96 18:25 EST Received: by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id OAA00202; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from harker.pvt.k12.ca.us by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id OAA00196; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate.harker.pvt.k12.ca.us by harker.pvt.k12.ca.us (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00414; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:37:15 -0800 Message-Id: <9601102237.AA00414@harker.pvt.k12.ca.us> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:27:00 -0800 Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: Sharon Meyers Subject: Interent Background. To: nanik95@cbn.net.id, isn-wg@nic.nasa.gov X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V3.50b)/MIME X-Orig-Sender: owner-isn-wg@nic.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk Could you give me some information about who you are and if you are a school or what? I don't recognize your email address. Sharon Meyers Computer Dept. Chair The Harker School, San Jose, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ REPLY FROM: Sharon Meyers Could you please tell me where can I get a comprehensive list of documents about the history and the technical working of internet. How is it that we can also setup ourselves as an internet provider. Thanks   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa14146; 22 Jan 96 15:35 EST Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa14142; 22 Jan 96 15:35 EST Received: from naic.arc.nasa.gov by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa15673; 22 Jan 96 15:34 EST Received: by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id MAA21367; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 12:09:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id MAA21362; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 12:09:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sellers@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA04308; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:16:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:16:37 -0500 (EST) Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: Jennifer Sellers To: Internet School Networking Subject: FAQ Piece to Review Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="PAA04275.822341173/lupine.nsi.nasa.gov" Content-ID: X-Orig-Sender: owner-isn-wg@nic.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --PAA04275.822341173/lupine.nsi.nasa.gov Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: --PAA04275.822341173/lupine.nsi.nasa.gov Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: Return-Path: sellers Received: (from sellers@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA04273; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:06:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:06:12 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Sellers To: isn-wg@lupine.nsi.nasa.gov Subject: FAQ Doc Piece to Review Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII All, Still plugging away at the FAQ revision. The first question is revied and the second question is new since the I-D came. Please review and comment. Thanks, Jennifer ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ sellers@quest.arc.nasa.gov NASA's K-12 Internet Initiative gopher quest.arc.nasa.gov Sterling Software http://quest.arc.nasa.gov 700 13th Street, NW phone: 202-434-8954 Suite 950 fax: 202-434-4599 Washington, DC 20005 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ =-= 4.5 What organizational structure needs to be in place in order for my school to have Internet access? Schools and school districts have devised structures that vary widely, depending on a school's particular requirements. In many schools, the librarians/media specialists guide the development of the network and policies on its use and serve as the top of the structure within the school. In other schools, an interested teacher becomes the driving force behind getting the Internet into the school and may be the most appropriate person to see the project through. The school administration, if not the guiding force, needs to be behind the plan to bring the Internet into the school. And all other parties who might have a stake in the development should be brought in as early as possible. These might include area businesses, community leaders, teachers with Internet access at home, the librarian or media specialist whether or not that person is knowledgeable about the Internet, parents, and anyone in the school who finds the idea of bringing the Internet into the school appealing. In short, any organizational structure will do as long as it is clear and simple and includes the people who might have a stake in the process of bringing the Internet into the school. One way to ensure that an organizational structure develops and that the right people become involved is to invite a wide variety of people to create a technology plan for the school. The by-product of technology planning can be the development of an organizational structure, but of course the planning is useful in itself to help your school define and meet goals for Internet and other technology use. The National Center for Technology Planning hosts a collection of technology plans and planning aids for people who need help, new ideas, or solutions as they tackle technology planning in their schools or districts. Information on the National Center for Technology Planning can be found in Section 9, "Resources and Contacts." No matter what the structure, there should be someone at the school who can take the lead in working with vendors and Internet Service Providers (ISPs). This person should be knowledgeable about - or willing to learn about - the technical aspects of connecting to the Internet, including knowledge about any networks the school already has in place. The lead person should have an alternate so that the school is not completely dependent on one person. If your school hires and independent consultant, someone at the school should be aware of everything the consultant does and ideally should receive training in everything the consultant does. Another role that must be filled is that of in-house network administrator. Having an already busy teacher take on this role as an extra duty is a bad idea; a greater time commitment is needed. 4.6 What questions do I need to ask people who are selling network services? There are a number of questions you should ask. Anything you hear that you donUt understand must be questioned. If a vendor knows the product and the process well, he or she should be able to explain in terms you can understand. You should also ask any kind of vendor how available they are and at what point they either stop helping you or begin charging by the hour. Get references from other customers, preferably including at least one school which has requirements similar to yours. If the school has not yet purchased a Local Area Network (LAN), ask the LAN vendor how the product will interact with TCP/IP. (TCP/IP stands for Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol, the technology which forms the basis of the Internet.). If necessary, arrange a meeting with the LAN vendor, the ISP, and any consultants that may be involved. Make a list of the schoolUs requirements, including security, the number of computers on the LAN which will have Internet access, and the Internet services you want students and teachers to be able to use. (See Section 5, RQuestions About Using Internet Services,S for an introduction to the services.). Ask the vendors if they can provide services that will meet your requirements. Ask the ISP what services are included with your purchase of Internet connectivity. Will they terminate the circuit in a router and leave you to your own resources to take care of the RLAN sideS of the connection? Will they provide a primary domain name server for you? Will they register your domain name with the InterNIC? Are they providing you with all the IP addresses you need? Will they help you with security issues? Do they provide a newsfeed or a newsreading service? (Do you know the difference?) If they agree to do some work on the LAN side, what is the extent of that work? (Configure individual computers? Handle subnetting and routing issues?) Will they answer questions from your network administrator? Will a dedicated computer be needed as an Internet server for such things as domain name service, the World Wide Web, Gopher, and FTP? Do they provide any training sessions for your staff and are these sessions included in the connectivity price? Do they offer any other classes or seminars and are these included in the connectivity price? Does the ISP do their own training or do they contract to someone else, and if the latter, who is it? Check references on them. There are some specific questions you should ask of an ISP who is providing dial-in connections. (See Question 4.8 for a further discussion on dialing in from home.) What is the charge per minute for connectivity? Is SLIP or PPP connectivity available? Will the ISP be providing software which allows you to use Internet services such as email and the World Wide Web or will they help you obtain it? Will they help you install it? When you check references, ask other customers if they encounter lots of busy signals. --PAA04275.822341173/lupine.nsi.nasa.gov--   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa12939; 23 Jan 96 11:34 EST Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa12935; 23 Jan 96 11:34 EST Received: from naic.arc.nasa.gov by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa11800; 23 Jan 96 11:34 EST Received: by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id IAA27065; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 08:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id IAA27060; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 08:11:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sellers@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA06576; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:19:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:19:00 -0500 (EST) Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: Jennifer Sellers To: Internet School Networking Subject: Verify News Group for FAQ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orig-Sender: owner-isn-wg@nic.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk All, Can anyone please verify that the following group does or does not exist? I'm not sure if it's just not in my newsfeed. pubnet.nixpub (where a list of open access Unix sites is often posted, for those looking for access to Usenet News and email only) Thanks, Jennifer ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ sellers@quest.arc.nasa.gov NASA's K-12 Internet Initiative gopher quest.arc.nasa.gov Sterling Software http://quest.arc.nasa.gov 700 13th Street, NW phone: 202-434-8954 Suite 950 fax: 202-434-4599 Washington, DC 20005 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa20736; 23 Jan 96 16:48 EST Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa20732; 23 Jan 96 16:48 EST Received: from naic.arc.nasa.gov by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa18934; 23 Jan 96 16:48 EST Received: by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id NAA28950; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 13:12:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id NAA28945; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 13:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sellers@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA07331; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:19:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:19:36 -0500 (EST) Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: Jennifer Sellers To: Internet School Networking Subject: One More Quick Question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orig-Sender: owner-isn-wg@nic.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk All, I am not able to get to http://www.apnic.net. Does anyone have any information on this? Thanks, Jennifer ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ sellers@quest.arc.nasa.gov NASA's K-12 Internet Initiative gopher quest.arc.nasa.gov Sterling Software http://quest.arc.nasa.gov 700 13th Street, NW phone: 202-434-8954 Suite 950 fax: 202-434-4599 Washington, DC 20005 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa06492; 16 Jan 96 16:31 EST Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa06488; 16 Jan 96 16:31 EST Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa21568; 16 Jan 96 16:31 EST Received: from UNMVMA.UNM.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 5396; Tue, 16 Jan 96 13:30:39 PST Received: from UNMVMA.UNM.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UNMVMA) by UNMVMA.UNM.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0254; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:22:07 -0700 Received: from UNMVMA.UNM.EDU by UNMVMA.UNM.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 4587 for ISN-WG@UNMVMA.UNM.EDU; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:22:01 -0700 Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UGA) by UNMVMA.UNM.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0247; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:21:45 -0700 Received: from UGA (NJE origin SMTP@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9018; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:21:02 -0500 Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Tue, 16 Jan 96 16:20:18 EST Received: from libra.cs.nps.navy.mil by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05172; Tue, 16 Jan 96 13:14:35 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 23895 Message-ID: <9601162114.AA05172@cs.nps.navy.mil> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:13:16 -0800 Reply-To: "IETF WG on internet school networking (ISN)" X-Orig-Sender: "IETF WG on internet school networking (ISN)" Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: Don Brutzman Subject: NPS IIRG: INET '96 Proposal (fwd) Comments: To: Kathy Rutkowski , George Sadowsky , Larry Press , Elise Boisjoly , Richard Perlman , carl@radio.com, isn-wg%unmvma.bitnet@uga.cc.uga.edu, workshop-info@isoc.org Comments: cc: Information Infrastructure Research Group To: Multiple recipients of list ISN-WG X-Url: http://www.stl.nps.navy.mil/~iirg/atm/inet96/proposal.html Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-------------------------------3857170326603" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------------------3857170326603 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For your consideration. Thanks. http://www.stl.nps.navy.mil/~iirg/atm/inet96/proposal.html all the best, Don -- Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code UW/Br Root 200 work 408.656.2149 Monterey California 93943-5000 USA fax 408.656.3679 Virtual worlds/underwater robots/Internet http://www.stl.nps.navy.mil/~brutzman ---------------------------------3857170326603 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 [|I|N|E|T '96 -- Montreal] INET 96 Live/Archived Global Multicast Workshop on Primary and Secondary (K-12) Education Workshop on Network Technology for Developing Countries A proposal by the Information Infrastructure Research Group (IIRG) iirg@stl.nps.navy.mil Naval Postgraduate School Monterey, California USA Submitted to: * Internet Society Board of Trustees * INET 96 Program Committee (inet-program@isoc.org) Copies to: * Kathy M. Rutkowksi (kmr@isoc.org), K-12 Education Workshop * George Sadowsky (George.Sadowsky@nyu.edu), ISOC VP for Education * Larry Press (lpress@isi.edu), Developing Nations Networking Workshop * Elise Boisjoly (boisjoly.elise@ic.gc.ca), K-12 Education Workshop * Richard Perlman (rdperlm@wintu.okld2150.pacbell.com), K-12 Education Workshop * Carl Malamud (carl@radio.com), Internet 1996 World Exposition * IETF Internet School Networking (ISN) Working Group (isn-wg%unmvma.bitnet@uga.cc.uga.edu) * Internet Society Network Technology Workshop (workshop-info@isoc.org) Abstract We hope to provide live and archived audio/video coverage of selected events at the INET 96 conference. Our main sessions of interest are the Workshop on Primary and Secondary (K-12) Education and a single track of the Workshop on Network Technology for Developing Countries. Live and archived coverage of conferences can be tremendously valuable in disseminating information to people who need it. However, global multicasts and archiving are only feasible if they are inexpensive and easy. We will show what is currently possible. Free software tools and off-the-shelf technology will be used throughout. By multicasting and recording at both moderate and high frame rates, we expect to maximize connectivity and usefulness for both high-powered and moderately equipped sites. This project will be part of the Internet 1996 World Exposition by using global high-speed Internet Protocol (IP) links of the Internet Railroad and long-term massive disk storage of Central Park. We are also investigating potential global use of Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM) links using the International Wide-Area Year (I-WAY) North American ATM wide-area network (WAN). Low-speed live Internet distribution will be via the Multicast Backbone (MBone). We hope to augment live coverage from Montreal with interactive sessions by remote attendees around the world. Finally, we plan to publicly document our efforts by contributing a conference paper to the INET 96 Internet Learning and Teaching track. This work is a group capstone project to be described in detail via printed and online master's theses. The purpose of this proposal is to present our plan and request necessary support for travel and equipment. Project Summary * Goal: provide live and archived audio/visual coverage of INET '96 education and developing nations workshops. Distribution will be global using ATM and the Internet. * Period of proposed demonstration: June 16-28 1996. * Detailed objectives o Live multicast at high and moderate bandwidths o Direct archiving of audio/video to disk at high and moderate frame rates o Use Internet Railroad and I-WAY ATM for global connectivity o Show topics of interest to people worldwide (K-12 Education and Developing Nations Workshops) o Low cost, repeatable, well-documented o Monitor and evaluate global network performance for IP and ATM unicast/multicast traffic * Component technology o Global IP using Internet Railroad and MBone o To-be-determined combination of ATM, IP-ATM, multicast, gigabit routing o MBone-compatible archival audio/video digitization for on-demand retrieval o Network monitoring to ensure proper delivery * Resource requirements o $46,000 equipment ($157,000 matching equipment by NPS) o $30,000 travel o $76,000 needed total We need either funds or sponsors to execute this plan. Background and Motivation The possibility of multicasting the K-12 Education and Developing Nations Networking Workshop was first discussed at INET 95 by Don Brutzman with Kathy Rutkowski, Carl Malamud, Larry Press, George Sadowsky and others. Our primary motivation throughout has been to make priceless content and expert presentations widely available to Internet users. The Information Infrastructure Research Group (IIRG) at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School includes numerous master's students working on theses that apply directly to the advancement of education over the Internet. For this project, the goal of our group is to investigate and demonstrate how high-bandwidth IP, Asychronous Transfer Mode (ATM), Multicast Backbone (MBone) and digitized audio/video can be used for distance learning. An additional motivation for our proposal is to demonstrate research results by applying these technologies to educational events of significant global value: the K-12 Education and Developing Nations Networking Workshops. The principal benefit of this demonstration will be to show how audio and video over the Internet can easily be used for educational purposes. The MBone has already been proven to be a valuable educational tool. Nevertheless very few multicast programs have been made available for on-demand retrieval, and none have yet taken advantage of the emerging high-bandwidth global infrastructure. By INET 96 we expect to be able to do both in a well-documented, repeatable fashion. Specific Objectives In order to achieve our demonstration goals, several separate tasks need to be accomplished. All of the objectives described are being investigated by individual NPS master's students. Objective 1: Global Connectivity Using the Internet Railroad and Asychronous Transfer Mode (ATM) The Internet Railroad is a recent development that hopes to augment the limited capacity of the Internet MBone. Asychronous Transfer Mode (ATM) connectivity can also be used. Our long-term goals include the use of both IP and ATM in large-scale virtual environments with massive participation including multiple data streams such as audio, video, text, image, computer graphics and virtual reality applications. Our initial investigations have shown that the topology of a global high-speed backbone is not yet clear, but some combination of IP and ATM is likely. Consequently we have been studying practical aspects of using ATM. The Information Wide Area Year (I-WAY) is an experimental high-performance network linking dozens of North America's fastest computers and advanced visualization environments. This network is based on Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM) technology, an emerging standard for advanced telecommunications networks. The I-WAY wide-area network (WAN) supports both TCP/IP over ATM and direct ATM-oriented protocols. This network provides the wide-area high-performance backbone for various experimental networking activities. It was built from a combination of existing network connectivity and some additional connectivity and services provided by multiple service providers. We intend to use the I-WAY together with the Internet Railroad for distributing the INET96 sessions world-wide. Objective 2: Live Multicast Backbone (MBone) at High & Low Bandwidths By use of IP-multicast, today's datagram networks are able to support applications which require real-time delivery of data to multiple destinations, such as video conferencing or video distribution. Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM) is a new technology that is designed for both data transfer and low-latency audio-video applications. ATM promises a high-bandwidth, versatile communication technology useful for standard audio-video signals as well as computer networking. In some instances ATM provides more functionality than current data link technologies, in other instances ATM is currently inferior. As researchers interested in global information infrastructure, we are most interested in what works. We want to take advantage of the higher bandwidths and lower latency offered by ATM and other links in order to send audio/video over the Internet. Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM) is in its infancy. The hardware required for ATM is currently more expensive than the hardware required to implement traditional shared-media packet-switching networks. Today, computer networks use many different data-link technologies. Most computer networks will use TCP/IP protocols for the foreseeable future. Currently an experimental IETF-coordinated approach is to run IP over ATM. Hopefully this will allow us to effectively and compatibly take advantage of the higher bandwidths provided by ATM. Presumably IP-multicast is one of the protocols that might benefit from compatibility with ATM. The current draft specifications for ATM do not directly provide many-many functionality for IP-multicast. Most ATM-multicast specifications are still in draft form. Experimentation will also help us better understand the methods discussed in these draft documents. Our goal is to investigate the use of IP-multicast in combination with ATM in order to distribute live, high-bandwidth & low-bandwidth video world-wide. Objective 3: Direct Archiving of Audio/Video to Disk at Multiple Frame Rates The Multicast Backbone (MBone) already provides the ability to send and receive near-real-time audio and video over the Internet. We plan to transmit and digitally record the K-12 and the Developing Nations Workshops so they are made available for on-demand retrieval over the Internet. The primary approach to be attempted is to use MBone-compatible audio/video software tools. Our hope is that such recordings will then be playable using public domain MBone software with either unicast or multicast distribution. We will develop Web pages to facilitate client configuration and recording retrieval. Primary computer architectures of interest are those widely used today (e.g. Unix workstations/PC's/Mac's). A large (10 GB) local disk store will be used to record digital video programs as they occur, with periodic file transfers to Central Park archives. This approach will decouple digitization reliability from network availability. All programs will be recorded on tape as recording backup. No postprocessing or editing of video will be performed, audio and video sources will be mixed on-the-fly to produce rapid, high-quality results. Objective 4: Network Monitoring A big problem in global multicasting is determining whether programs are being properly delivered to recipients. Our monitoring objective is to use public domain software tools to accurately and efficiently monitor global ATM and IP network traffic pertaining to these multicast sessions. Although expensive commercial monitoring systems may be available, public domain software such as ping, traceroute, tcpdump, mtrace and other tools can provide effective monitoring capabilities. They adapt easily to a wide range of applications and are well known, although the proper use of these tools requires preparation. We intend to exercise their use both on-site and remotely once the topology of the global IP/ATM multicast network becomes known. Most likely the monitoring tools will be invoked via automatic scripts that will verify functional status on a regular basis, reporting malfunctions as they occur. We also intend to manually monitor and evaluate session transmission quality. Demonstration Participants We expect to have two teams of about seven students each to produce and distribute two weeks of program coverage. Each team will only spend one week on site. * Don Brutzman (UW/Br) (brutzman@nps.navy.mil) Project lead * Kurt Ames (CSUMB) (Kurt_Ames@otter.monterey.edu) ATM * Dale Courtney (ITM) (dmcourtn@nps.navy.mil) NPS ATM LAN (September 96) * Jim Cummiskey (CS) (jccummis@nps.navy.mil) mobility/wireless (October 96) * Ron Dennis (ITM) (rmdennis@nps.navy.mil) Security (September 96) * Jason Dunton (CSUMB) (Jason_Dunton@otter.monterey.edu) ATM * Evan Edwards (CS) (edwardse@nps.navy.mil) Networking (September 96) * Ridvan Erdogan (CS) (erdogan@cs.nps.navy.mil) Computer security, multicast, ATM, networking, LINUX (September 96) * Jeff Forte (CS/ITM)(jeforte@nps.navy.mil) ATM, dual degree CS/ITM (September 96) * Steve Graves (ITM) (smgraves@nps.navy.mil) Videolink for helicopters (September 96) * Abdellatif (Bob) Souktani (CSUMB/NPS ITM) (souktani@stl.nps.navy.mil) ATM, Multicast Backbone (97) * Murat Tamer (CS) (mttamer@nps.navy.mil) Computer security, ATM (September 96) * Michael Tiddy (ITM) (metiddy@nps.navy.mil) ATM, audio/video digital archives (September 96) * Robin Rowe (CS staff) (rower@cs.nps.navy.mil) Video, computer graphics Equipment Requirements A lot of gear is needed for this project. Fortunately NPS will be able to provide a significant amount of it. Here is the schematic of principal equipment and how we expect to connect it. [line drawing] Equipment schematic. This equipment will be enough for one high-quality session at a time. Thus we do not expect to be able to cover two sessions simultaneously. Some redundancy is included in order to prevent program loss if (when) hardware failures occur. The lists below show the equipment and resources we need to accomplish project objectives. Another option is finding INET 96 conference sponsors that are willing to donate or loan equipment. We intend to have a rehearsal conference by providing similar coverage of IEEE Autonomous Underwater Vehicles (AUV) in Monterey, June 3-6 1996. We are not video professionals. We will practice using whatever equipment we have in hand. We have included purchase and rental prices for equipment that is readily available (in California and Canada). Currently it appears that rental options are undesirable if we are to ensure maximum quality and equipment reliability during INET 96. In any case we need all equipment by May 1 for compatibility testing, corrective action (if any) and training. What we can bring: value 4 SGI Indy workstations $80,000 (video capabibility & ATM NICs) I-WAY I-POP workstation 20,000 2 uninterruptible power supplies (UPS) 2,000 Wireless Bridge (added reliability) 10,000 Backup ATM Switch 22,000 Independent mrouter (Sun 3/110) 15,000 3 microphones 1,000 NTSC to pal/secam video converter 2,000 Salary, faculty plus staff (verify staff) 5,000 -------- $157,000 What we need: Cost Buy Rent ---------------------- 4 Super VHS Cameras (production quality) $8,000 (1,200/wk) 1 Field Production Unit 15,000 (1,000/wk) (Video Mixer with 3 Channel input and synchronization, character generation and 4 channel output. Rental impractical) 2 Super VHS VCR's (w/tapes) 2,000 2 television monitors (13") 500 1 audio mixer 1,000 2 headphones 100 3 wireless microphones 5,000 1 small video production light kit 600 assorted cabling 500 3 cellular telephones -- 300/wk 4 headset radios for camera operators (verify) -- 1,200/wk local disk storage (10 gigabytes) 2,300 for temporary storage of recorded sessions ---------------------- 35,000 + 1,500 * 2 Unexpected equipment costs: 10% 4,000 Shipping (must verify): 4,000 ---------------------- Equipment total: $46,000 Travel In addition to a team of students recording each session, two individuals need to make an advance trip to Montreal to look at recording sites, network connectivity details, unforeseen equipment needs, local arrangements available, conference organizer requirements etc. 3 days 7 days Round-trip airfare per person (Monterey to Montreal) 1,050 1,050 Lodging (Double Occupancy) $71/room 105 245 $35/person Per diem other than lodging $78/day 235 546 (standard DoD rate) ------------------- Estimated total travel costs (per person) $1,400 $1,850 Rental Car (1 Van, 1 Car) $50/day 150 500 (van to move equipment) $250/week (verify) Advance planning trip, two people = 2 * 1,400 + 150 = $2,950 Two weeks at 7 people per week = 14 * 1,850 + 1000 = $26,900 _______ Total estimated travel $30,000 To Do The following items will be addressed in future planning: * Global network topology, especially ATM and high-speed routing * Remote participants - who, how, where, when * Bandwidth and power budgets * Milestones and schedule * Floor maps for McGill University and conference hotel room setups * Other open issues? Send mail to brutzman@nps.navy.mil Action We are optimistic that the Internet Society and INET 96 will be able to connect us with appropriate funding and sponsors for this ambitious and unique effort. We will continue to make every effort to minimize cost and maximize the many benefits which are expected. We are very enthusiastic about the tremendous value this project can bring to Internet users world-wide. I look forward to continued dialog and future support to achieve these goals. all the best, Don -- Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code UW/Br Root 200 work 408.656.2149 Monterey California 93943-5000 USA fax 408.656.3679 Virtual worlds/underwater robots/Internet http://www.stl.nps.navy.mil/~brutzman Previous Work Additional detail is provided in home pages for the Information Infrastructure Research Group (IIRG), IIRG ATM projects and IIRG INET 96 project. Brutzman, Donald P., Macedonia, Michael R. and Zyda, Michael J., "Internetwork Infrastructure Requirements for Virtual Environments," First Annual Symposium on the Virtual Reality Modeling Language, Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) Special Interest Group on Computer Graphics (SIGGRAPH), San Diego Supercomputer Center, San Diego California, December 13-15 1995, pp. 95-104. Available at http://www.stl.nps.navy.mil/~brutzman/vrml/vrml_95.html with associated slides at http://www.stl.nps.navy.mil/~brutzman/vrml/vrml_95.slides.html Interactive Communities, Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) Special Interest Group on Computer Graphics (SIGGRAPH) 95, Los Angeles California, August 7-11 1995. "MBone unplugged" cart provided mobile MBone connectivity for sixty exhibits and courses to create a week-long KSIG-TV. Available at http://www.stl.nps.navy.mil/~brutzman/unplugged.html Brutzman, Donald P., "Remote Collaboration with Monterey Bay Educators," Interactive Communities Visual Proceedings, Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) Special Interest Group on Computer Graphics (SIGGRAPH 95), Los Angeles California, August 7-11 1995, p. 145. Brutzman, Donald P., "Networked Ocean Science Research and Education, Monterey Bay California," INET 95: Fifth Annual Conference of the Internet Society , Honolulu Hawaii, June 27-30 1995. Available at http://www.isoc.org/HMP/PAPER/039/abst.html and ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/i3laisoc.html Richard W. Hamming, "Learning to Learn: The Future of Science and Engineering." Course EC 4000. This was the first successful multicast of an entire university course worldwide, three times per week for eleven weeks, April-June 1995. R.W. Hamming is recipient of the ACM Turing Prize as well as namesake and recipient of the IEEE Hamming Medal. Emswiler, Tracey, Internetworking: Using the Multicast Backbone (MBone) for Distance Learning, Master's Thesis, Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey California, September 95. Summary video of multicasting the Hamming lecture series available at ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/i3la/emswiler.qt.Z Trepanier, Dennis, Internetworking: Designing Network Information and Operations Services for Monterey BayNet, Master's Thesis, Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey California, September 95. Available at http://www.stl.nps.navy.mil/~dmtrepan/thesis.html Bigelow, Randall J., Internetworking: Planning and Implementing a Wide-Area Network (WAN) for K-12 Schools, Master's Thesis, Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey California, June 95. Describes in detail how local-area networks (LANs) and WANs were implemented to connect two dozen K-12 schools to the Internet. Available at http://www.stl.nps.navy.mil/~rjbigelo/thesis.html Rhyne, Theresa Marie, Brett, George, Brutzman, Don, Cox, Donna J. and Santos, Adelino, "Exploiting Networks for Visualization and Collaboration: No Network Roadblocks?," discussion panel, Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) Special Interest Group on Computer Graphics (SIGGRAPH) 94, Orlando Florida, July 24-29, 1994, pp. 481-482. Macedonia, Michael R. and Brutzman, Donald P., "MBone Provides Audio and Video Across the Internet," IEEE COMPUTER, vol. 27 no. 4, April 1994, pp. 30-36. Available at ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/i3la/mbone.html or mbone.ps [_____________________________________________________] The Universal Resource Locator (URL) for this home page is http://www.stl.nps.navy.mil/~iirg/atm/inet96/proposal.html NPS IIRG: INET '96 Proposal home page contact information: Don Brutzman (brutzman@nps.navy.mil) (16 January 96) ---------------------------------3857170326603-- -- Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code UW/Br Root 200 work 408.656.2149 Monterey California 93943-5000 USA fax 408.656.3679 Virtual worlds/underwater robots/Internet http://www.stl.nps.navy.mil/~brutzman   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa05893; 25 Jan 96 0:03 EST Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa05888; 25 Jan 96 0:03 EST Received: from pucc.Princeton.EDU by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa01019; 25 Jan 96 0:03 EST Received: from PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU by pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9827; Thu, 25 Jan 96 00:03:03 EST Received: from UNMVMA.UNM.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UNMVMA) by PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5268; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:03:03 -0500 Received: from UNMVMA.UNM.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UNMVMA) by UNMVMA.UNM.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1069; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:01:20 -0700 Received: from UNMVMA.UNM.EDU by UNMVMA.UNM.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 7219 for ISN-WG@UNMVMA.UNM.EDU; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:01:18 -0700 Received: from UNMVMA (NJE origin SMTP@UNMVMA) by UNMVMA.UNM.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1067; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:00:45 -0700 Received: from relay1.jaring.my by unmvma.unm.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 24 Jan 96 22:00:40 MST Received: from aseam.UUCP (root@localhost) by relay1.jaring.my (8.7.1/8.7.1) with UUCP id MAA28685 for isn-wg@unmvma.unm.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:46:55 +0800 (MYT) Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <199601250446.MAA28685@relay1.jaring.my> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:35:03 +0000 Reply-To: "IETF WG on internet school networking (ISN)" X-Orig-Sender: "IETF WG on internet school networking (ISN)" Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: SUZANA@aseam.po.my Organization: Aseambankers Malaysia Berhad Subject: net To: Multiple recipients of list ISN-WG hi, i'm just testing the net!   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa08479; 25 Jan 96 2:18 EST Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa08475; 25 Jan 96 2:18 EST Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa02938; 25 Jan 96 2:18 EST Received: from UNMVMA.UNM.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 7638; Wed, 24 Jan 96 23:18:16 PST Received: from UNMVMA.UNM.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UNMVMA) by UNMVMA.UNM.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1414; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:17:39 -0700 Received: from UNMVMA.UNM.EDU by UNMVMA.UNM.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 7387 for ISN-WG@UNMVMA.UNM.EDU; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:17:37 -0700 Received: from UNMVMA (NJE origin SMTP@UNMVMA) by UNMVMA.UNM.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1410; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:17:24 -0700 Received: from dandlion.sbceo.k12.ca.us by unmvma.unm.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 25 Jan 96 00:17:23 MST Received: from general.sbceo.k12.ca.us (general.sbceo.k12.ca.us [204.48.128.45]) by dandlion.sbceo.k12.ca.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA24334; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:19:08 -0800 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <199601250719.XAA24334@dandlion.sbceo.k12.ca.us> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 03:18:29 +0000 Reply-To: "IETF WG on internet school networking (ISN)" X-Orig-Sender: "IETF WG on internet school networking (ISN)" Comments: Authenticated sender is Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: Tom Towle Organization: Computer & Internet Consulting Services Subject: Re: net Comments: To: SUZANA@ASEAM.PO.MY To: Multiple recipients of list ISN-WG On 22 Jan 96 at 13:35, SUZANA@ASEAM.PO.MY spake thusly re: net... > hi, i'm just testing the net! > A great idea!! Especially if you are a tightrope walker on-line... ;-) Tom Tom Towle - Musician, Teacher and Internaut towle@rain.org, towle@ceo.sbceo.k12.ca.us, towle@csun.edu http://www.rain.org/~towle   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa14184; 23 Jan 96 12:09 EST Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa14180; 23 Jan 96 12:09 EST Received: from naic.arc.nasa.gov by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa12571; 23 Jan 96 12:09 EST Received: by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id IAA27275; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 08:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from cinnamon.michvhf.com by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id IAA27270; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 08:46:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by cinnamon.michvhf.com (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24211; Tue, 23 Jan 96 11:53:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:53:39 -0500 (EST) Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: Vince Vielhaber To: Jennifer Sellers Cc: Internet School Networking Subject: Re: Verify News Group for FAQ? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orig-Sender: owner-isn-wg@nic.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Jennifer Sellers wrote: > pubnet.nixpub (where a list of open access Unix sites is often > posted, for those looking for access to Usenet News and email > only) I have 15000 groups on the server I use, this one isn't on it. Vince. ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null Database Manager Michigan Area Repeater Council # include TEAM-OS2 ==========================================================================   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa21730; 23 Jan 96 17:40 EST Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa21726; 23 Jan 96 17:40 EST Received: from naic.arc.nasa.gov by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa19943; 23 Jan 96 17:40 EST Received: by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id OAA29290; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 14:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from cinnamon.michvhf.com by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id OAA29285; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 14:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by cinnamon.michvhf.com (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24577; Tue, 23 Jan 96 17:23:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 17:23:54 -0500 (EST) Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: Vince Vielhaber To: Jennifer Sellers Cc: Internet School Networking Subject: Re: One More Quick Question In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orig-Sender: owner-isn-wg@nic.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Jennifer Sellers wrote: > All, > > I am not able to get to http://www.apnic.net. Does anyone have any > information on this? > It doesn't look up here either, and their DNS machine doesn't seem to be running httpd of any sort. Try davidc@APNIC.NET he's the tech contact. Vince. ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null Database Manager Michigan Area Repeater Council # include TEAM-OS2 ==========================================================================   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa10381; 24 Jan 96 7:23 EST Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa10377; 24 Jan 96 7:23 EST Received: from naic.arc.nasa.gov by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa07289; 24 Jan 96 7:23 EST Received: by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id EAA03188; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 04:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from venera.isi.edu by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id EAA03183; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 04:06:45 -0800 (PST) Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: bmanning@isi.edu Received: from zed.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-22) id ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 04:13:37 -0800 Posted-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 04:08:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601241208.AA11122@zed.isi.edu> Received: by zed.isi.edu (5.65c/4.0.3-4) id ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 04:08:47 -0800 Subject: Re: One More Quick Question To: Jennifer Sellers Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 04:08:47 -0800 (PST) Cc: isn-wg@nic.nasa.gov In-Reply-To: from "Jennifer Sellers" at Jan 23, 96 04:19:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orig-Sender: owner-isn-wg@nic.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk > > All, > > I am not able to get to http://www.apnic.net. Does anyone have any > information on this? > Works for me. The APNIC is the equivalent of the Internic for the AP region. From its home page: APNIC Info Service Home Page Welcome to APNIC info services. For more information on APNIC operation, contact apnic-staff@apnic.net. APNIC Info Service tries to gather, organize and distribute information in Asia Pacific region. This WWW server is running as a part of APNIC info service, and this server provides links to national NIC's (Network Information Centers) in Asia Pacific region. We are trying to organize information servers in our region as a coordinated operation between national NIC's. Please feel free to contact us or your national NIC to get the delegation of links. National NIC's of AP countries APNIC IP Network Address Application Form APNIC IN-ADDR.ARPA Registration Form APNIC FAQ info@apnic.net APNIC Info Service Staff -- --bill   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa10881; 24 Jan 96 7:58 EST Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa10877; 24 Jan 96 7:58 EST Received: from naic.arc.nasa.gov by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa07841; 24 Jan 96 7:58 EST Received: by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id EAA03296; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 04:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from cinnamon.michvhf.com by nic.nasa.gov (8.7.1/1.35) id EAA03291; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 04:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by cinnamon.michvhf.com (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28656; Wed, 24 Jan 96 07:45:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 07:45:10 -0500 (EST) Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: Vince Vielhaber To: bmanning@isi.edu Cc: Jennifer Sellers , isn-wg@nic.nasa.gov Subject: Re: One More Quick Question In-Reply-To: <199601241208.AA11122@zed.isi.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orig-Sender: owner-isn-wg@nic.nasa.gov Precedence: bulk On Wed, 24 Jan 1996 bmanning@ISI.EDU wrote: > > > > All, > > > > I am not able to get to http://www.apnic.net. Does anyone have any > > information on this? > > > > Works for me. The APNIC is the equivalent of the Internic > for the AP region. They must've had name server problems yesterday. Here's what I get today: vev@cinnamon /staff/vev> host www.apnic.net www.apnic.net has address 143.248.195.12 vev@cinnamon /staff/vev> Vince. ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null Database Manager Michigan Area Repeater Council # include TEAM-OS2 ==========================================================================