Received: from cnri by ietf.org id aa24601; 5 May 97 13:53 EDT Received: from ANNOUNCER.ACADEM.COM by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa15753; 5 May 97 13:53 EDT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05566 for ietf-nntp-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 12:39:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from academ.com (root@ACADEM.COM [198.137.249.2]) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05556 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 12:39:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tide03.microsoft.com (firewall-user@tide03.microsoft.com [131.107.3.13]) by academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA12492; Mon, 5 May 1997 12:39:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: by tide03.microsoft.com; id KAA11527; Mon, 5 May 1997 10:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown(157.54.17.74) by tide03.microsoft.com via smap (V3.1) id xma011456; Mon, 5 May 97 10:38:59 -0700 Received: from IMSMAIL ([157.55.65.201]) by imail2.microsoft.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA11505; Mon, 5 May 1997 10:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natba1.microsoft.com - 157.55.23.225 by ims.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 May 1997 10:40:16 -0700 From: Nat Ballou To: NNTP Extensions , NNTP Working Group Subject: ietf-nntp New NNTP search draft. Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:39:26 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <0dfa41640170557IMSMAIL@ims.microsoft.com> Sender: owner-ietf-nntp@academ.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I have submitted a new version of the NNTP search draft. You can find it at: ftp://ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ballou-nntpsrch-03.txt This is the draft that was discussed at the last IETF working group meeting (Memphis, TN). Cheers, Nat   Received: from cnri by ietf.org id aa24615; 5 May 97 13:54 EDT Received: from ANNOUNCER.ACADEM.COM by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa15761; 5 May 97 13:54 EDT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05609 for ietf-nntp-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 12:47:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from academ.com (sob@ACADEM.COM [198.137.249.2]) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05600 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 12:47:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from sob@localhost) by academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA12659; Mon, 5 May 1997 12:47:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705051747.MAA12659@academ.com> From: Stan Barber Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 12:47:05 CDT X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Nat Ballou , NNTP Extensions , NNTP Working Group Subject: ietf-nntp Re: nntp-extensions New NNTP search draft. Sender: owner-ietf-nntp@academ.com Precedence: bulk Until now, I was unaware that there was any working group meeting scheduled. I would have thought that it would have been on the ietf-nntp list. Please describe where you learned about this meeting. Thanks. -- Stan | Academ Consulting Services |internet: sob@academ.com Olan | For more info on academ, see this |uucp: {mcsun|amdahl}!academ!sob Barber | URL- http://www.academ.com/academ |Opinions expressed are only mine.   Received: from cnri by ietf.org id aa26910; 7 May 97 9:21 EDT Received: from ANNOUNCER.ACADEM.COM by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa09778; 7 May 97 9:21 EDT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA11357 for ietf-nntp-outgoing; Wed, 7 May 1997 08:11:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from academ.com (root@ACADEM.COM [198.137.249.2]) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11348 for ; Wed, 7 May 1997 08:11:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sulaco.com (root@dropship.demon.co.uk [158.152.93.109]) by academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05385; Wed, 7 May 1997 08:11:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: by sulaco.com id OAA04120; Wed, 7 May 1997 14:09:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 14:08:56 +0100 From: Brian Kelly Message-Id: <199705071308.OAA13654@sulaco.com> To: sob@academ.com CC: ietf-nntp@academ.com, nntp-extensions@academ.com In-reply-to: <199704160609.BAA04299@academ.com> (sob@academ.com) Subject: Re: ietf-nntp Revision 8 of the "common practices" draft has been released Sender: owner-ietf-nntp@academ.com Precedence: bulk >The Internet Draft on "common practices" has been updated and is available >int the ID depositories as draft-barber-nntp-imp-07.txt. This version should I've been looking through this and have a query with the section about CHECK and TAKETHIS. The draft doesn't say that the responses to these commands must contain the message-id to which they pertain. I believe current implementations *do* include the message ID. This is necessary if you are going to do paralell processing of CHECK's as they can easily complete out of order. It's also very handy so that you don't have to count the commands out and responses back to match them up (which is probably the main reason it was done this way). Brian -- ObAFUFAQ: T. The du Pont Co. has claimed (1940) that "nylon" was an arbitrary coinage, but also (1978) that it was a modification of "no run" spelled backwards. bkelly@sulaco.com   Received: from cnri by ietf.org id aa02746; 8 May 97 20:31 EDT Received: from ANNOUNCER.ACADEM.COM by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa22651; 8 May 97 20:31 EDT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15167 for ietf-nntp-outgoing; Thu, 8 May 1997 19:24:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from academ.com (root@ACADEM.COM [198.137.249.2]) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15156 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 19:24:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24891; Thu, 8 May 1997 19:24:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tintin.netscape.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11384; Thu, 8 May 1997 17:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wintermute ([205.217.228.83]) by tintin.netscape.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA3605; Thu, 8 May 1997 17:23:56 -0700 Message-ID: <33726E93.35157C6D@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 17:23:47 -0700 From: Brian Hernacki Organization: Netscape, Floating Point Division X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stan Barber CC: Nat Ballou , NNTP Extensions , NNTP Working Group Subject: ietf-nntp Re: nntp-extensions New NNTP search draft. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199705051747.MAA12659@academ.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-nntp@academ.com Precedence: bulk Stan Barber wrote: > > Until now, I was unaware that there was any working group meeting scheduled. > I would have thought that it would have been on the ietf-nntp list. Please > describe where you learned about this meeting. Lacking any other documents to discuss in Memphis, we talked about SEARCH. --brian   Received: from cnri by ietf.org id aa04748; 8 May 97 22:11 EDT Received: from ANNOUNCER.ACADEM.COM by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa24348; 8 May 97 22:11 EDT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA15457 for ietf-nntp-outgoing; Thu, 8 May 1997 21:06:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from academ.com (sob@ACADEM.COM [198.137.249.2]) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15448 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 21:06:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from sob@localhost) by academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA25485; Thu, 8 May 1997 21:06:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705090206.VAA25485@academ.com> From: Stan Barber Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 21:06:29 CDT X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Brian Hernacki Subject: Re: ietf-nntp Re: nntp-extensions New NNTP search draft. Cc: Nat Ballou , NNTP Extensions , NNTP Working Group Sender: owner-ietf-nntp@academ.com Precedence: bulk That still did not reveal where the meeting information was posted. And, there was a new version of the "current practices" in the ID repository before the deadline. I guess no one noticed that (despite the fact that the availability of that document was announced on the ietf-nntp list). Certainly, no one bothered to inform me about this meeting. -- Stan | Academ Consulting Services |internet: sob@academ.com Olan | For more info on academ, see this |uucp: {mcsun|amdahl}!academ!sob Barber | URL- http://www.academ.com/academ |Opinions expressed are only mine.   Received: from cnri by ietf.org id aa13341; 8 May 97 23:51 EDT Received: from ANNOUNCER.ACADEM.COM by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa00936; 8 May 97 23:51 EDT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA15715 for ietf-nntp-outgoing; Thu, 8 May 1997 22:46:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from academ.com (root@ACADEM.COM [198.137.249.2]) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA15704 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 22:46:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from landfield.com (rkive.landfield.com [208.196.145.2]) by academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26336; Thu, 8 May 1997 22:46:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Kent Landfield Message-Id: <199705090347.WAA16758@landfield.com> Subject: ietf-nntp Re: nntp-extensions New NNTP search draft. To: Brian Hernacki Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 22:47:02 -0500 (CDT) Cc: sob@academ.com, NatBa@microsoft.com, nntp-extensions@academ.com, ietf-nntp@academ.com In-Reply-To: <33726E93.35157C6D@netscape.com> from "Brian Hernacki" at May 8, 97 05:23:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-nntp@academ.com Precedence: bulk # > Until now, I was unaware that there was any working group meeting scheduled. # > I would have thought that it would have been on the ietf-nntp list. Please # > describe where you learned about this meeting. # # Lacking any other documents to discuss in Memphis, we talked about # SEARCH. It might be nice to post when these get-togethers are supposed to occur so the community can participate... -- Kent Landfield Phone: 1-817-545-2502 The Landfield Group FAX: 1-817-545-7650 Email: kent@landfield.com http://www.landfield.com/ Please send comp.sources.misc related mail to kent@uunet.uu.net. Search the Usenet Hypertext FAQ Archive at http://www.faqs.org/faqs/   Received: from cnri by ietf.org id aa21879; 9 May 97 6:16 EDT Received: from ANNOUNCER.ACADEM.COM by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa06526; 9 May 97 6:16 EDT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA17488 for ietf-nntp-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 05:10:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from academ.com (root@ACADEM.COM [198.137.249.2]) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA17478 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 05:10:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA29921; Fri, 9 May 1997 05:10:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tintin.netscape.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA12101; Fri, 9 May 1997 03:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from polk ([205.217.228.77]) by tintin.netscape.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA22266; Fri, 9 May 1997 03:10:04 -0700 X-Sender: bpolk@tintin X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Kent Landfield , Brian Hernacki From: Ben Polk Subject: ietf-nntp Re: nntp-extensions New NNTP search draft. Cc: sob@academ.com, NatBa@microsoft.com, nntp-extensions@academ.com, ietf-nntp@academ.com Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 03:10:04 -0700 Message-ID: <19970509101004.AAA22266@polk> Sender: owner-ietf-nntp@academ.com Precedence: bulk At 10:47 PM 5/8/97 -0500, Kent Landfield wrote: >It might be nice to post when these get-togethers are supposed to occur >so the community can participate... The meeting was listed in the Memphis IETF agenda. After the working group was created I think people assumed those who were interested would know to look for the session.   Received: from cnri by ietf.org id aa10297; 9 May 97 14:31 EDT Received: from ANNOUNCER.ACADEM.COM by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa18235; 9 May 97 14:31 EDT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA18218 for ietf-nntp-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 13:25:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from academ.com (sob@ACADEM.COM [198.137.249.2]) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA18209 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 13:25:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from sob@localhost) by academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA04545; Fri, 9 May 1997 13:25:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705091825.NAA04545@academ.com> From: Stan Barber Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 13:25:10 CDT X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Ben Polk , Kent Landfield , Brian Hernacki Subject: ietf-nntp Re: nntp-extensions New NNTP search draft. Cc: NatBa@microsoft.com, nntp-extensions@academ.com, ietf-nntp@academ.com Sender: owner-ietf-nntp@academ.com Precedence: bulk > At 10:47 PM 5/8/97 -0500, Kent Landfield wrote: > > >It might be nice to post when these get-togethers are supposed to occur > >so the community can participate... > > The meeting was listed in the Memphis IETF agenda. After the > working group was created I think people assumed those who were > interested would know to look for the session. > > I was checking the agenda regularly up until the Friday before IETF and saw no such listing. When was it posted there? -- Stan | Academ Consulting Services |internet: sob@academ.com Olan | For more info on academ, see this |uucp: {mcsun|amdahl}!academ!sob Barber | URL- http://www.academ.com/academ |Opinions expressed are only mine.   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In-Reply-To: <199705091825.NAA04545@academ.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-nntp@academ.com Precedence: bulk > > > > The meeting was listed in the Memphis IETF agenda. After the > > working group was created I think people assumed those who were > > interested would know to look for the session. > > How did this meeting come to be scheduled? Who, specifically requested that the session be held?   Received: from cnri by ietf.org id aa19817; 9 May 97 19:37 EDT Received: from ANNOUNCER.ACADEM.COM by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa24983; 9 May 97 19:37 EDT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18908 for ietf-nntp-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 18:32:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from academ.com (root@ACADEM.COM [198.137.249.2]) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18897 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 18:32:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10123; Fri, 9 May 1997 18:32:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tintin.netscape.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14045; Fri, 9 May 1997 16:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wintermute ([205.217.228.83]) by tintin.netscape.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA6306; Fri, 9 May 1997 16:31:45 -0700 Message-ID: <3373B3DD.96E5A9F8@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 16:31:41 -0700 From: Brian Hernacki Organization: Netscape, Floating Point Division X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stan Barber CC: Ben Polk , Kent Landfield , NatBa@microsoft.com, nntp-extensions@academ.com, ietf-nntp@academ.com Subject: Re: ietf-nntp Re: nntp-extensions New NNTP search draft. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199705091825.NAA04545@academ.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-nntp@academ.com Precedence: bulk Stan Barber wrote: > > > At 10:47 PM 5/8/97 -0500, Kent Landfield wrote: > > > > >It might be nice to post when these get-togethers are supposed to occur > > >so the community can participate... > > > > The meeting was listed in the Memphis IETF agenda. After the > > working group was created I think people assumed those who were > > interested would know to look for the session. > > > > > > I was checking the agenda regularly up until the Friday before IETF and > saw no such listing. > > When was it posted there? I remember seeing the NNTPEXT WG meeting listed weeks beforehand on the on-line IETF agenda. It was also in the printed version handed out at the signup at the IETF meeting. --brian   Received: from cnri by ietf.org id aa19875; 9 May 97 19:40 EDT Received: from ANNOUNCER.ACADEM.COM by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa25031; 9 May 97 19:40 EDT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18959 for ietf-nntp-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 18:35:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from academ.com (root@ACADEM.COM [198.137.249.2]) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18948 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 18:35:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10196; Fri, 9 May 1997 18:35:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tintin.netscape.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03501; Fri, 9 May 1997 16:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wintermute ([205.217.228.83]) by tintin.netscape.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA6466; Fri, 9 May 1997 16:34:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3373B492.58FC6965@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 16:34:42 -0700 From: Brian Hernacki Organization: Netscape, Floating Point Division X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Grobe CC: nntp-extensions@academ.com, ietf-nntp@academ.com Subject: Re: ietf-nntp Re: Memphis IETF meeting (Was: nntp-extensions... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-nntp@academ.com Precedence: bulk Jonathan Grobe wrote: > > > > > > > The meeting was listed in the Memphis IETF agenda. After the > > > working group was created I think people assumed those who were > > > interested would know to look for the session. > > > > How did this meeting come to be scheduled? > Who, specifically requested that the session be held? This was just another a meeting of the NNTP working group. The BOF was held at the Toronto (36) IETF and the first WG was held at the San Jose (37) IETF. The existance of the group/effort has been listed in the usual IETF spots as well as mentioned in several well travelled NNTP related newsgroups. --brian   Received: from cnri by ietf.org id aa19912; 9 May 97 19:41 EDT Received: from ANNOUNCER.ACADEM.COM by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa25063; 9 May 97 19:41 EDT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18996 for ietf-nntp-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 18:36:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from academ.com (sob@ACADEM.COM [198.137.249.2]) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18988 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 18:36:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from sob@localhost) by academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA10213; Fri, 9 May 1997 18:36:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705092336.SAA10213@academ.com> From: Stan Barber Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 18:36:37 CDT X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Brian Hernacki Subject: Re: ietf-nntp Re: nntp-extensions New NNTP search draft. Cc: Ben Polk , Kent Landfield , NatBa@microsoft.com, nntp-extensions@academ.com, ietf-nntp@academ.com Sender: owner-ietf-nntp@academ.com Precedence: bulk > > When was it posted there? > > I remember seeing the NNTPEXT WG meeting listed weeks beforehand on the > on-line IETF agenda. It was also in the printed version handed out at > the signup at the IETF meeting. Interesting. I wonder how I (and apparently some others) on this list missed it. I also wonder why there is no mention of meeting on this list. Or, is there some other more official mechanism for working group information to be distributed other than the working group mailing list? Anyone know any answers to this? Are there any official or unofficial minutes from that meeting? Was Erik there? -- Stan | Academ Consulting Services |internet: sob@academ.com Olan | For more info on academ, see this |uucp: {mcsun|amdahl}!academ!sob Barber | URL- http://www.academ.com/academ |Opinions expressed are only mine.   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X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199705092336.SAA10213@academ.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-nntp@academ.com Precedence: bulk Stan Barber wrote: > Interesting. I wonder how I (and apparently some others) on this list > missed it. I also wonder why there is no mention of meeting on this list. > Or, is there some other more official mechanism for working group information > to be distributed other than the working group mailing list? > > Anyone know any answers to this? Are there any official or unofficial minutes > from that meeting? Was Erik there? Erik was there...as well as most of the usual NNTP crowd from prior meeting. I think someone did take minutes, but you'd need to check with Erik. --brian   Received: from cnri by ietf.org id aa20156; 12 May 97 18:30 EDT Received: from ANNOUNCER.ACADEM.COM by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa20231; 12 May 97 18:30 EDT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA02674 for ietf-nntp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 17:23:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from academ.com (sob@ACADEM.COM [198.137.249.2]) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02665 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 17:23:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from sob@localhost) by academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04604; Mon, 12 May 1997 17:23:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705122223.RAA04604@academ.com> From: Stan Barber Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:23:22 CDT X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Brian Hernacki Subject: Re: ietf-nntp Re: nntp-extensions New NNTP search draft. Cc: Ben Polk , Kent Landfield , NatBa@microsoft.com, nntp-extensions@academ.com, ietf-nntp@academ.com Sender: owner-ietf-nntp@academ.com Precedence: bulk Okey. I will check with Erik. I still don't know why there was no announcement on the mailing list. -- Stan | Academ Consulting Services |internet: sob@academ.com Olan | For more info on academ, see this |uucp: {mcsun|amdahl}!academ!sob Barber | URL- http://www.academ.com/academ |Opinions expressed are only mine.   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Main Street Brewster, NY 10509 Ph: 914-278-4933 Fx: 914-278-4507 E-mail: owlseye@owlsnest.com   Received: from cnri by ietf.org id aa00787; 30 May 97 1:29 EDT Received: from ANNOUNCER.ACADEM.COM by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa01654; 30 May 97 1:29 EDT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA06000 for ietf-nntp-outgoing; Fri, 30 May 1997 00:22:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from academ.com (root@ACADEM.COM [198.137.249.2]) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA05991 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 00:22:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tide03.microsoft.com (firewall-user@tide03.microsoft.com [131.107.3.13]) by academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA20188; Fri, 30 May 1997 00:22:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: by tide03.microsoft.com; id WAA13124; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown(157.54.17.74) by tide03.microsoft.com via smap (V3.1) id xma013118; Thu, 29 May 97 22:22:18 -0700 Received: from IMSMAIL ([157.55.65.201]) by imail2.microsoft.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA27434; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natba1 - 157.54.26.77 by ims.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:23:19 -0700 From: Nat Ballou To: "Kenneth M. Sternberg" Cc: NNTP Extensions , NNTP Working Group Subject: ietf-nntp Re: draft-ballou-nntpsrch-03.txt Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 22:21:46 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC6C7E.B1C6B4C0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <0330e1923051e57IMSMAIL@ims.microsoft.com> Sender: owner-ietf-nntp@academ.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC6C7E.B1C6B4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kenneth, I have removed the 421 response code and use an empty response. This new draft will be posted when I gather up a few more revisions. I would like to get others comments on your XOVER suggestion - what do others on the mailing list think about this suggestion? Nat ---------- > From: Kenneth M. Sternberg > To: natba@microsoft.com > Subject: draft-ballou-nntpsrch-03.txt > Date: Thursday, May 29, 1997 2:33 PM > > > I have been reading up on all the latest developments in NNTP and > I was fascinated by the above draft. However, in reading it I came across > a specified behavior that is not consistent with RFC 977 and most modern > implementations as covered in draft-barber-nntp-imp-07.txt. > > Under section 5.1 you state that "A response of 421 indicates that > there are no articles that match the search criteria." However, popular > implementations documented in Barber (2.1.6, et. al.) specify that "If > nothing is matched an empty list is returned, not an error." Writers of > clients would probably prefer to receive a consistent behavior overall. > > I'm also concerned about the response of a SEARCH OVER command. > Since some articles could have enormous cross-postings it might be > preferable just to return the Message-ID. The newsgroup is just meta- > information about the article, not a unique key to it, after all. > > Elf > > -- > Elf M. Sternberg, Unix Systems Engineer elf@spry.com > Spry Consulting Group, CompuServe Internet Division 425.957.8000 > 3535 128th Ave SE FAX: 425.957.6000 > Bellevue, WA 98006, USA http://www.compuserve.com > PGP 2.6.2 Public Key Available > > For the 50 billionth week, life continues to be unfair. Death and > suffering continue to be randomly distributed among the planet's > life forms with such mitigating factors as solid community standing, > good genetic background, and previous good works in no way taken into > account. Despite the efforts of the Code of Hammurabi, the U.S. Bill > of Rights, and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, life is > expected to remain unfair into the foreseeable future. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC6C7E.B1C6B4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Kenneth,

I have removed the = 421 response code and use an
empty response.  This new draft = will be posted
when I gather up a few more revisions.

I would = like to get others comments on your XOVER
suggestion - what do others = on the mailing list
think about this = suggestion?

Nat

----------
> From: Kenneth M. = Sternberg <elf@spry.com>
> To: natba@microsoft.com
> Subject: draft-ballou-nntpsrch-03.txt
> = Date: Thursday, May 29, 1997 2:33 PM
>
>
> I = have been reading up on all the latest developments in NNTP and
> = I was fascinated by the above draft.  However, in reading it I came = across
> a specified behavior that is not consistent with RFC 977 = and most modern
> implementations as covered in = draft-barber-nntp-imp-07.txt.  
>
> Under = section 5.1 you state that "A response of 421 indicates = that
> there are no articles that match the search criteria." =  However, popular
> implementations documented in Barber = (2.1.6, et. al.) specify that "If
> nothing is matched an = empty list is returned, not an error."  Writers of
> = clients would probably prefer to receive a consistent behavior = overall.
>
> I'm also concerned about the response of = a SEARCH OVER command.
> Since some articles could have enormous = cross-postings it might be
> preferable just to return the = Message-ID.  The newsgroup is just meta-
> information about = the article, not a unique key to it, after all.
>
> = Elf
>
> --
> Elf M. Sternberg, Unix = Systems Engineer =             &= nbsp;      elf@spry.com
> = Spry Consulting Group, CompuServe Internet Division =        425.957.8000
> 3535 = 128th Ave SE =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           FAX= : 425.957.6000
> Bellevue, WA 98006, USA =             &= nbsp;         http://www.compuserve.com
> PGP 2.6.2 Public Key Available =     
>
> For the 50 billionth week, = life continues to be unfair.  Death and
> suffering continue = to be randomly distributed among the planet's
> life forms with = such mitigating factors as solid community standing,
> good = genetic background, and previous good works in no way taken into
> = account.  Despite the efforts of the Code of Hammurabi, the U.S. = Bill
> of Rights, and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, = life is
> expected to remain unfair into the foreseeable = future.

------=_NextPart_000_01BC6C7E.B1C6B4C0--   Received: from cnri by ietf.org id aa05069; 30 May 97 14:50 EDT Received: from ANNOUNCER.ACADEM.COM by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa10063; 30 May 97 14:50 EDT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09867 for ietf-nntp-outgoing; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:44:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from academ.com (root@ACADEM.COM [198.137.249.2]) by announcer.academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09857 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:44:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by academ.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28384; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:44:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tintin.netscape.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11739; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wintermute ([205.217.228.83]) by tintin.netscape.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA19631; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:43:39 -0700 Message-ID: <338F1FCD.1697B2A6@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 11:43:25 -0700 From: Brian Hernacki Organization: Netscape, Floating Point Division X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b5 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nat Ballou CC: "Kenneth M. Sternberg" , NNTP Extensions , NNTP Working Group Subject: ietf-nntp Re: nntp-extensions Re: draft-ballou-nntpsrch-03.txt X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <0330e1923051e57IMSMAIL@ims.microsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-nntp@academ.com Precedence: bulk Nat Ballou wrote: > > Kenneth, > > I have removed the 421 response code and use an > empty response. This new draft will be posted > when I gather up a few more revisions. > > I would like to get others comments on your XOVER > suggestion - what do others on the mailing list > think about this suggestion? I prefer the empty return scheme. More for consistancy sake than anything else. I imagine client will need to write additional protocol handling code for search anyways so I don't think either is a real clear techincal win. Elf Sternberg wrote: > I'm also concerned about the response of a SEARCH OVER command. > Since some articles could have enormous cross-postings it might be > preferable just to return the Message-ID. The newsgroup is just meta- > information about the article, not a unique key to it, after all. The overview also contains the MID is the client wants to access it by that, but then they lose the group context. --brian