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Hi,
    Is the AgentX API I-D going to be an information RFC or a standard RF=
C?
Where can I get more information about the efforts on AgentX API (mailing
lists, working groups etc.)?

    Also, one more thing, the AgentX-Close-PDU when sent by Sub Agent to
Master Agent does not require master agent to respond until there is an
error in closing the session. This is unnecessarily making the
implementation complicated. Why can't master agent send response to all
agentx-close-PDUs irrespective of the outcome? Otherwise, the sub agent h=
as
to keep on waiting for the response to agentx-close-PDU, when he don't ev=
en
know whether there will be any response or not. The same is true for
agentx-notify-PDU. The implementation becomes very complicated when we ha=
ve
to design a generic sub agent API. What should be the semantics of the ca=
ll
agent-close-session(sessionID), blocking or non-blocking? If it is
non-blocking what happens when there is error in closing the session and
response is received from the master agent? If it is made blocking and th=
ere
is no resonse because the session was closed successfuly then how long
should the call block?

    This waiting on the sub agent side is a general problem. What should =
be
the timeout values from the sub agent side, i.e. for how long should the =
sub
agent wait for responses from the master agent for various PDU's like
registration etc.

    Thanks in advance.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Natale [mailto:bnatale@acecomm.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 9:15 PM
> To: agentx@peer.com
> Subject: Updated goals and milestones
>
>
> Hi,
>
> The AgentX page at <http://www.ietf.org/>www.ietf.org has been
> updated with the
> following:
>
> Goals and Milestones:
>
> Done Publication of AgentX protocol specification
> Done Submit working draft version of AgentX MIB I-D.
> Jun 98 Collect and evaluate implementation reports
>        (through bake-off).
> Jul 98 Conduct AgentX interoperability testing
>        (July 23-24, Sunnyvale).
> Aug 98 Meet at 42nd IETF-Chicago (refine or revise
>        RFC 2257).
> Sep 98 Petition IESG to advance RFC 2257 to Draft
>        or recycle at Proposed
> Oct 98 Submit final version of AgentX MIB I-D to
>        IESG for consideration as Proposed.
> Nov 98 Submit initial draft version of AgentX API I-D
> Dec 98 Submit interim draft version of AgentX API I-D.
> Jan 99 Submit final version of AgentX API I-D to IESG
>        for consideration as an Informational RFC.
> Feb 99 Evaluate necessary revisions to RFC 2257.
> Feb 99 Evaluate necessary revisions to AgentX MIB RFC.
> Mar 99 Meet at 44th IETF to
>           Assess status of AgentX deployment
>           Determine need for AgentX v2 (Protocol, MIB, or API)
>           Plan future work items accordingly.
> Apr 99 Submit new charter proposal to IESG or retire WG.
>
> I have submitted a request for a single 2hr meeting slot in
> Chicago...I have not yet received notification of the scheduled
> time and place.  The basic agenda will include:
>
>  - the usual preliminaries
>  - review implementation status reports
>  - review bake-off results, findings
>  - review list of open issues
>  - review status of AgentX MIB
>  - review need/desire for a standard AgentX API
>  - review status of SNMPv3 and DISMAN wrt AgentX
>  - recommend working plan wrt any of the above items
>  - the usual summaries
>
> Comments on any of the above are welcomed...as are proposed
> mods (additions/deletions/changes) to the agenda outline.
>
> Cordially,
>
> BobN
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>Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:54:59 -0400
>From: Marcia Beaulieu <mbeaulie@ietf.org>

>This is to confirm one session for AGENTX as follows:
>
>	Wednesday, August 26 at 1530-1730
>
>	Other groups scheduled at that time: ip1394,
> Routing Area Meeting, avt

We must submit a formal agenda by Aug 19.  I have already
posted (on Jun 30) the outline candidate agenda included
below.  Please post any suggested changes to the list (or
to me directly if you prefer).  Thanks.

The basic agenda will include:

	- the usual preliminaries 
	- review implementation status reports 
	- review bake-off results, findings 
	- review list of open issues 
	- review status of AgentX MIB 
	- review need/desire for a standard AgentX API 
	- review status of SNMPv3 and DISMAN wrt AgentX 
	- recommend working plan wrt any of the above items 
	- the usual summaries

Cordially,

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I have made a second alpha quality release of our AgentX subagent library
and snmpd available for FTP.  While there are still several protocol
features that need to be implemented, we have verified that we interoperate
with Digital's implementation of the AgentX protocol.

The web site for the CMU AgentX project is located at;

http://www.net.cmu.edu/projects/agentx/

Commnets or questions should be addressed to:

agentx-bug@andrew.cmu.edu

Thanks to all who have shown interest in our work.


Matt White
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Matt White
Maintainer, AgentX Implementation
Carnegie Mellon Computing Services

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Subject: Sub Agent Processing of AgentX GetNext Response
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Hi all,
	While going through the AgentX RFC we noticed one ambiguity:

"Section	7.2.2.2.  Subagent Processing of the agentx-GetNext-PDU
   Upon the subagent's receipt of an agentx-GetNext-PDU, each
   SearchRange in the request is processed as follows:
   (1) The subagent searches for a variable within the
       lexicographically ordered list of variable names for all
       variables it instantiates (without regard to registration of
       regions) within the indicated context and session, for which the
       following are all true:"



	Suppose master agent sends AgentX GetNext request to a subagent (Sub Agent
#1) with a SearchRange (falling under a target MIB Region #1). The sub agent
responds with a oid and its value falling under a different MIB Region
(lexicographically after MIB Region #1). Lets call these region as MIB
Region #2. Now suppose another sub agent had registered an MIB Region #3.
The lexicographical relationship is
	MIB Region #1 < #3 < #2
	That means, if the SearchRange doesn't fall within MIB Region #1, then
ideally target sub agent should return endOfMIBView. The Master Agent will
find lexicographically next region, i.e. MIB Region #3 (by subagent #2) and
resend the request to sub agent #2.
	If first sub agent returns the oid and value from MIB Region #2 (as he has
to search through a list of lexicographically ordered list of instantiated
variables without regard to registration of region), then the SNMP Response
for SNMP GetNext will be wrong.
	Either this is a error or it is not clear what is meant by "without regard
to registration of MIB region". Please clarify.
	Also, in the section "7.2.4.3.  Processing of Responses to
agentx-GetNext-PDU and agentx-GetBulk-PDU ", the Master Agent never checks
whether for each oid in the VarBind the response returned by a sub agent is
valid or not. I think the master agent should check whether, for the oid in
the varbind, the response returned by the sub agent is falling within the
target MIB Region (which he determined while preparing the AgentX GetNext
PDU for that particular sub agent).
	Thanks.
With regards,
Ashish K Hanwadikar
Senior Software Engineer,
Wipro Infotech, Technology Solutions,
Bangalore
INDIA

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To: "Ashish Hanwadikar" <ashishkh@wipinfo.soft.net>
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Subject: Re: Sub Agent Processing of AgentX GetNext Response  
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 31 Jul 98 19:29:15 +0530."
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 98 12:58:03 -0400
From: Mike Daniele <daniele@zk3.dec.com>
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Hi Ashish,

>	If first sub agent returns the oid and value from MIB Region #2 (as he has
>to search through a list of lexicographically ordered list of instantiated
>variables without regard to registration of region), then the SNMP Response
>for SNMP GetNext will be wrong.
>	Either this is a error or it is not clear what is meant by "without regard
>to registration of MIB region". Please clarify.
>	Also, in the section "7.2.4.3.  Processing of Responses to
>agentx-GetNext-PDU and agentx-GetBulk-PDU ", the Master Agent never checks
>whether for each oid in the VarBind the response returned by a sub agent is
>valid or not. I think the master agent should check whether, for the oid in
>the varbind, the response returned by the sub agent is falling within the
>target MIB Region (which he determined while preparing the AgentX GetNext
>PDU for that particular sub agent).

7.2.1 states

    1) Honoring the registry

      Because AgentX supports overlapping registrations, it is possible
      for the master agent to obtain a value for a requested varbind
      from within multiple registered MIB regions.

      The master agent must ensure that the value (or exception)
      actually returned in the SNMP response PDU is taken from the
      authoritative region (as defined in section 7.1.5.1).

I think this "blanket rule" covers your concerns.

Note that the master agent may use the ending oid of the
searchrange to "scope" the instances the subagent may return,
as described in 2) of section 7.2.1, and 7.2.2.2.

Does this make it clear?

Regards,
Mike



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Hi,

Some of the open issues that needs to be addressed for agentx MIB 
include:

1. Relevance of agentxConnNumber, and agentxSessionNumber.  
This gives the number of entries in each respective table. Do
we need these in the tables?           

2.   Add agentXLastChange to RegistrationTable to be consistent
with the other tables.

If there are any other open items that need to be addressed in the MIB, 
I urge everyone on the mailing list to send them as early as possible. 

These need to be resolved before the Chicago IETF meeting in
August.

Please send all email to agentx mailing list.

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Subject: Can an AgnetX sub-agent send an AgentX-GET PDU to the AgentX master?
Cc: fenner@parc.xerox.com
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Hi,

  Let's say I have a routing daemon which wants to present a MIB which
happens to include ifindex values.  However, the local interface to
ifindex value mapping happens in a different subagent; the routing
daemon doesn't know what this mapping is.  It has to walk the iftable
and try to match that up with its view of the interfaces.  Can this
routing daemon send AgentX-GET PDU's up to the master agent and expect
it to dispatch them to the right sub-agent and dispatch the reply back
to me all via AgentX, or do I have to use SNMP for this part?

  I ask because it seems like a shame that an application that only wants
to be an AgentX sub-agent also has to be able to be an SNMP client.

Thanks,
  Bill

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From: Bill Fenner <fenner@parc.xerox.com>
To: agentx@peer.com
Subject: Misleading wording in section 8.1.2: AgentX over TCP operation
Cc: fenner@parc.xerox.com
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:11:00 PDT

Section 8.1.2 says:

   All AgentX PDUs are presented individually to the TCP, to be sent as
   the data portion of a TCP PDU.

Applications can't control TCP PDU's; e.g. if you do 3 small TCP writes
in a row, most TCP's will coalesce the 2nd and 3rd write into a single
TCP PDU.  And, of course, large writes will be fragmented into multiple
TCP PDU's.

I'd suggest removing this sentence in the next version of the document,
since how you present data to TCP has very little to do with how TCP
puts the data into PDU's.

  Bill

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AgentX verion 1 does not allow a subagent to do the following:

 1) check whether access is allowed to variables that exist 
    in other subagents

 2) read variables that exist in other subagents (with appropriate
    access control applied)

 3) write variables that exist in other subagents (with appropriate
    access control applied)

Some of the DISMAN MIBs that are currently on their way to proposed
standard require to do the operations listed above. This means that it
is impossible to implement and ship these DISMAN MIBs as separate
products that you can plug into your native AgentX master agent.

It might be possible to extend AgentX to provide this capability. The
hardest part of the problem is how you maintain the required input for
the access control function. Shipping this information to the subagent
is probably not a good idea (it would make it pretty easy to mount
guessing attacks from a subagent). However, it might be possible to
find a solution where the master maintains a cache for security
related information and passes only a handle to a subagent, probably
only on a special request from the subagent while processing a read or
write SNMP request.

Anyway, I would like to know if there is interest in extending AgentX
in this direction so that DISMAN MIBs can be implemented based on
AgentX. (Bob, please consider this a request to discuss this during
the AgentX meeting in Chicago. ;-)
							Juergen

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If there is a relationship between sessionID as defined in RFC2257and
agentxSessionIndex then the relationship needs to be clarified and the
description of agentxSessionIndex made consistent with the definition in
the RFC. (See sections 6.1, 6.2.16, 7.1.1(3))

MikeT


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Hi - 

> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:11:50 +0200
> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <schoenw@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de>
> To: agentx@peer.com
> Subject: Extensions for AgentX Version 1
...
> Anyway, I would like to know if there is interest in extending AgentX
> in this direction so that DISMAN MIBs can be implemented based on
> AgentX. (Bob, please consider this a request to discuss this during
> the AgentX meeting in Chicago. ;-)
...

Discussion of whatever the AgentX WG has to say on this topic is
already on the proposed disman agenda.

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Hi, Mike,

There is relationship between sessionID defined in RFC2257 and
the agentxSessionIndex.

Current description for agentxSessionIndex includes:

"Index values assigned for a given registration are constant for the 
lifetime of this table."

is inappropriate and needs to be removed.  

The other part of the description is consistent with the RFC.

"A unique index for the subagent session. Note that if a
subagent's session with the master agent is closed for
any reason its index should not be re-used, therefore,
the values of agentxSessionIndex may not be contiguous and
will generally not be the same for the same subagent
across multiple sessions."

thanks for the inputs.

regards
smitha


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>If there is a relationship between sessionID as defined in RFC2257and
>agentxSessionIndex then the relationship needs to be clarified and the
>description of agentxSessionIndex made consistent with the definition 
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>the RFC. (See sections 6.1, 6.2.16, 7.1.1(3))
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On Fri, 31 Jul 1998, Smitha Gudur wrote:

> If there are any other open items that need to be addressed in the MIB, 
> I urge everyone on the mailing list to send them as early as possible. 

Section 2, goal 4 says:

- Provide statistics about the protocol operation such as the number of
  packets to and from each subagent

This information is not available through the mib as defined.
One option is to add agentxSessionInPackets and agentxSessionOutPackets to
the session table. And another is to add agentxConnInPackets,
agentxConnOutPackets, agentxConnProtocolErrors and agentxConnParseErrors
to the connection table. All as Counter32's.

Then a port table would be nice, so that it is possible to see what ports
the master agent accepts connections from and if it listens on any
nondefault ports. A typical unix master agent will listen on both tcp port
705 and unix-domain socket "/var/agentx/master".

/Martin Jacobsson

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>From mithatch@cisco.com Fri Jul 31 15:03:58 1998
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>Smitha Gudur wrote:
>
>> Hi, Mike,
>>
>> There is relationship between sessionID defined in RFC2257 and
>> the agentxSessionIndex.
>>
>> Current description for agentxSessionIndex includes:
>>
>> "Index values assigned for a given registration are constant for the
>> lifetime of this table."
>>
>> is inappropriate and needs to be removed.
>>
>> The other part of the description is consistent with the RFC.
>>
>> "A unique index for the subagent session. Note that if a
>> subagent's session with the master agent is closed for
>> any reason its index should not be re-used, therefore,
>>
>
>However the RFC does not restrict the reuse of sessionID.
I agree, it does not restrict the usage but says that it should
be globally unique over all its sessions if master agent supports
multiple transports. 

The description has to be changed to make it unique across all the 
sessions that the master agent supports instead of saying it cannot be 
reused. 

smitha



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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:32:19 -0400
To: "Smitha Gudur" <sgudur@hotmail.com>
From: Bob Natale <bnatale@acecomm.com>
Subject: Re: open issues in agentX MIB
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>At 7/31/98 02:45 PM, Smitha Gudur wrote:

Hi Smitha,

>There is relationship between sessionID defined in RFC2257 and
>the agentxSessionIndex.

Logically, that's true.  The value used for agentxSessionIndex
to identify the session should be the same as that used for
the SessionID as given by the master agent to the subagent.
The problem Mike alludes to here derives from the "should not
be re-used" semantics used for agentxSessionIndex in the MIB
but which are missing from the RFC references to SessionID.

I would argue that the RFC text should be tightened in this
respect, to stipulate non-reuse; but it is clear that a
reasonable argument can be made for not stipulating it and
leaving it up to the implementation.

In my view, however, management apps will be able to use
the MIB better to monitor the overall AgentX system if
the non-reuse semantics of agentxSessionIndex are carried
over to SessionID.  This value, via agentxSessionIndex,
is critical to all three of the tables currently defined
in the MIB [btw, we should all be reading from the -02.txt
version of the MIB document, dated April 14, 1998, at this
point]:

	agentxConnectionTable
	agentxSessionTable
	agentxRegistrationTable

In thinking through the relationships, it seems that we
need to add agentxConnIndex to the AgentxSessionEntry and 
agentxSessionIndex to the AgentxRegistrationEntry.  In this
way, each registration entry can point to the session in
which it lives and each session can point to the connection
in which it lives.

[Note to Smitha and Lauren here in particular:]
The rationale and the consequent OBJECT-TYPE macros
should be obvious (I think), but if not let me know.

>Current description for agentxSessionIndex includes:
>
>"Index values assigned for a given registration are constant
>for the lifetime of this table."
>
>is inappropriate and needs to be removed.

Right.

>The other part of the description is consistent with the RFC.

That's the debatable part.

>thanks for the inputs.

Likewise.

Cordially,

BobN
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:58:35 -0400
To: Martin Jacobsson <martin@exmandato.se>
From: Bob Natale <bnatale@acecomm.com>
Subject: Re: open issues in agentX MIB
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>At 7/31/98 11:56 PM, Martin Jacobsson wrote:

Hi Martin,

>Section 2, goal 4 says:
>
>- Provide statistics about the protocol operation such
>as the number of packets to and from each subagent
>
>This information is not available through the mib as defined.
>One option is to add agentxSessionInPackets and
>agentxSessionOutPackets to the session table. And another is
>to add agentxConnInPackets, agentxConnOutPackets,
>agentxConnProtocolErrors and agentxConnParseErrors
>to the connection table. All as Counter32's.

First, let me note that there is considerable sentiment to
keep this MIB relatively minimal.

Second, you are right, if state such purposes (and the
one you quote seems like a sound one to me).  The approach
that I would like to propose for this purpose is to add
an agentxResponseTable.  This would be indexed by
agentxSessionID and consist of a set of objects (with
syntax of GAUGE32, I suggest), one for each of the possible
AgentX-Response-PDU res.error codes (including no_error).

Such a table would handle overall (by simple summing),
connection-specific (by mapping back to agentxConnectionTable
via the agentxConnIndex in the corresponding agentxSessionTable
row, and session-specific traffic and error counts for all
active sessions. 

>Then a port table would be nice, so that it is possible to see
>what ports the master agent accepts connections from

I think this can be had now, via the agentxConnTransportDomain
and agentxConnTransportAddress objects in the agentxConnectionTable.
No...?

>and if it listens on any nondefault ports.

I'll pass on that one (I don't really see the need for it).

>A typical unix master agent will listen on both tcp port
>705 and unix-domain socket "/var/agentx/master".

True...and the two objects mentioned above would, I think,
tend to reveal that, given at least one active connection
from each domain.

Cordially,

BobN
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Hi - 

> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:58:35 -0400
> To: Martin Jacobsson <martin@exmandato.se>
> From: Bob Natale <bnatale@acecomm.com>
> Subject: Re: open issues in agentX MIB
> Cc: Smitha Gudur <sgudur@hotmail.com>, agentx@peer.com
> References: <19980731173229.29029.qmail@hotmail.com>
> 
> >At 7/31/98 11:56 PM, Martin Jacobsson wrote:
> 
> Hi Martin,
> 
> >Section 2, goal 4 says:
> >
> >- Provide statistics about the protocol operation such
> >as the number of packets to and from each subagent
...
> First, let me note that there is considerable sentiment to
> keep this MIB relatively minimal.
...

A counter-proposal to consider: delete goal 4 in section 2.

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