From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jun  1 21:47:37 1993
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 93 0:36:46 EDT
From: Jim Martin <jim@grimaldi.rutgers.edu>
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Gentlepeople,
	I happen to have access to the NASA Select audio channel
during the upcoming STS-57 mission. This broadcast includes almost all
of the audio communication between Mission Control and the Endevour as
well as periodic status and informational messages. I've mentioned a
few times on MBone Audio that I would be multicasting the broadcast
within Rutgers and asked if others were interested. A number of people
were, so starting with the launch during the evening (EDT) of June 3rd
(Thursday) I will be transmitting the Shuttle audio Internet-wide with
a TTL of 127. This broadcast will continue through the landing 6 or 7
days later. Be aware that there are often times of silence during
these broadcasts, so be patient! Attached below are some mission
highlights and the mission schedule. If anyone has a real problem with
this, or if you have any suggestions, let me know.
							
							Jim

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FIRST SPACEHAB FLIGHT HIGHLIGHTS STS-57 SHUTTLE MISSION


     The beginning of a new era in the commercial development of space
and the retrieval of a European satellite highlight NASA's Shuttle
Mission STS-57.  The mission, scheduled for early June 1993, also will
see Space Shuttle Endeavour and her six-person crew use experiments
designed by and for students, operate a payload which may improve
crystal growth techniques and demonstrate possbile on-orbit refueling
techniques.

     A rendezvous with the European Space Agency's European Carrier
(EURECA) satellite is scheduled to take place on the fourth day of the
mission.  The Shuttle's robot arm will be used to grapple the
satellite.  It then will be lowered into Endeavour's cargo bay and
stowed so it can be returned to Earth.  The EURECA satellite has been
on-orbit collecting data since its deployment during Shuttle Mission
STS-46 in July 1992.

     On STS-57, NASA will be leasing a privately-developed mid-deck
augmentation module known as SPACEHAB.  The primary objective is to
support the agency's commercial development of space program by
providing additional access to crew-tended, mid-deck locker or
experiment rack space.  This access is necessary to test, demonstrate
or evaluate techniques or processes in microgravity.

     NASA's secondary objective is to foster the development of space
infrastructure which can be marketed by private firms to support
commercial microgravity research payloads.  In this instance, SPACEHAB,
Inc., has the capability of leasing SPACEHAB facility space to other
commercial customers on upcoming flights of the module.

     The experiments flying inside this first SPACEHAB include investigations
ranging from drug improvement, feeding plants, cell splitting, the
first soldering experiment in space by American astronauts and
high-temperature melting of metals.

     Included are 13 commercial development of space experiments in
material processing and biotechnology, one NASA biotechnology
experiment and five other NASA investigations related to human factors
and the Endeavor's environment and a space station environmental
control system test.

     Three other payloads, the Get Away Special (GAS), the Consortium for
Materials Development in Space Complex Autonomous Payload-IV
(CONCAP-IV) and the Superfluid On-Orbit Transfer (SHOOT) payload will
be carried in Endeavour's cargo bay.

     The GAS system, which has flown many times on the Space Shuttle,
allows indiviudals and organizations around the world access to space
for scientific research.  During the STS-57 mission, 10 GAS payloads
from the United States, Canada, Japan and Europe will perform a variety
of microgravity experiments.

     The CONCAP-IV payload is the fourth area of investigation in a series of
payloads.  It will investigate the growth of nonlinear organic crystals
by a novel method of physical vapor transport in the weightlessness of
the space environment.  Nonlinear optical materials are the key to many
optical applications now and in the future with optical computing being
a prime example.

     The SHOOT payload is designed to develop and demonstrate the
technology required to re-supply liquid helium containers in space.
Because so little experience exists with cryogen management in
microgravity, SHOOT is designed to gather data about how the liquid
feeds to pumps, the behavior of the liquid/vapor discriminators and the
slosh and cool down of the liquid.

Middeck Experiments

     Two experiments which previously have flown aboard the Shuttle
will be carried in Endeavour's middeck area.  The Fluid Acquisition and
Resupply Experiment (FARE), which last flew on Shuttle Mission STS-53
in November 1992, will continue to investigate the fill, refill and
expulsion characteristics of simulated propellant tanks.  It also will
study the behavior of liquid motion in microgravity.

     The Air Force Maui Optical System (AMOS) is an electro-optical facility
located on the Hawaiian Island of Maui.  The primary objectives of AMOS
are to use the orbiter during flights over Maui to obtain imagery
and/or signature data from the ground-based sensors.

Spacewalk on STS-57

     STS-57 crew members David Low and Jeff Wisoff will perform a 4-hour
extravehicular activity (EVA) on the fifth day of the flight as a
continuation of a series of spacewalks NASA plans to conduct to prepare
for construction of the space station.

     The spacewalk tests, the first of which was performed on STS-54 in
January 1993, are designed to refine training methods for spacewalks,
expand the EVA experience levels of astronauts, flight controllers and
instructors, and aid in better understanding the differences between
true weightlessness and the ground simulations used in training.

     In addition, since the Shuttle's remote manipulator system mechanical
arm will be aboard Endeavour to retrieve EURECA, the STS-57 spacewalk
will assist in refining several procedures being developed to service
the Hubble Space Telescope on mission STS-61 in December.

Education

     NASA's on-going educational efforts will be represented by two
payloads.  The Get-Away Special (GAS) #324 - CAN DO experiment is
designed to take 1,000 photos of the Earth allowing students to make
observations and document global change by comparing the CAN DO photos
with matched Skylab photos.

     The primary payload of CAN DO, known as GEOCAM, contains four
Nikon 35mm cameras equipped with 250 exposure film backs.  The GEOCAM
system will match closely the larger Skylab film format in both
coverage and quality allowing direct examination and comparison of the
changes that have occurred to the planet in the last 20 years.  The
canister also contains 350 small, passive, student experiments.

     STS-57 crew members will take on the role of teacher as they educate
students from around the world about their mission objectives and what
it is like to live and work in space by using the Shuttle Amateur Radio
Experiment (SAREX) experiment.  Brian Duffy and Janet Voss will operate
SAREX.  Operating times for school contacts are planned into the crew's
activities.

Mission Summary

     Leading the six-person STS-57 crew will be Mission Commander Ronald
Grabe who will be making his fourth space flight.  Pilot for the
mission is Brian Duffy, making his second flight.  Leading the science
team will be Payload Commander David Low who also is designated as
Mission Specialist 1 (MS1) and is making his third flight.  The three
other mission specialists for this flight are Nancy Sherlock (MS2),
Jeff Wisoff (MS3) and Janice Voss (MS4), all of whom will be making
their first flight.

     The mission duration for STS-57 is planned for 6 days, 23 hours,
19 minutes.  However, the mission may be extended by 1 day immediately
after launch if projections calculated at that time for energy and fuel
use during the EURECA rendezvous permit.  If for some reason STS-57
remains a 7-day flight, the extravehicular activity scheduled for
flight day five would be cancelled.  The STS- 57 mission will conclude
with a landing at Kennedy Space Center's Shuttle Landing Facility.

     This will be the fourth flight of Space Shuttle Endeavour and the 56th
flight of the the Space Shuttle system.

STS-57 Quick Look

Launch Date/Site:	June 3, 1993/Kennedy Space Center - Pad 39A
Launch Window:		6:13 p.m. - 7:24 p.m. EDT
Orbiter: 		Endeavour (OV-105) - 4th Flight
Orbit/Inclination: 	250 nautical miles/28.45 degrees
Mission Duration:	6 days, 23 hours, 19 minutes
Landing Date: 		June 10
Primary Landing Site: 	Kennedy Space Center, Fla.
Abort Landing Sites:	Return to Launch Site - KSC, Fla.
			TransAtlantic Abort landing 	- Banjul, The Gambia
							- Ben Guerir, Morroco
							- Moron, Spain
			Abort Once Around 		- Edwards AFB, Calif.

Crew: 	Ronald Grabe, Commander (CDR)
	Brian Duffy, Pilot (PLT)
	David Low, Payload Commander/Mission Specialist 1 (MS1)
	Nancy Sherlock, Mission Specialist 2 (MS2)
	Jeff Wisoff, Mission Specialist 3 (MS3)
	Janice Voss, Mission Specialist 4 (MS4)

Cargo Bay Payloads:	EURECA-1R (European Retrievable Carrier - Retrieval)
			SPACEHAB (Space Habitation Module)
			SHOOT (Super-fluid Helium On-Orbit Transfer)
			CONCAP-IV (Consortium for Materials Development in
				Space Complex Autonomous Payload-IV)
			GAS Bridge (Get-Away Special Bridge)

In-Cabin Payloads: 	AMOS (Air Force Maui Optical Site)
			FARE (Fluid Acquisition and Resupply Experiment)
			SAREX-II (Shuttle Amateur Radio Experiment-II)

DTOs/DSOs:
	DTO 412: 	On-orbit Fuel Cell Shutdown
	DTO 623: 	Cabin Air Monitoring
	DTO 700-2: 	Laser Range, Range-Rate Device
	DSO 603B: 	Orthostatic Function During Entry, Landing and Egress
	DSO 604 OI-1:	Visual Vestibular Integration as a Function of
			   Adaptation
	DSO 618: 	Effects of Intense Exercise During Space Flight on
			   Aerobic Capacity and Orthostatic Function
	DSO 624: 	Pre-Flight and Post-Flight Measurement of
			   Cardiorespiratory Response
	DSO 901: 	Documentary Television
	DSO 902: 	Documentary Motion Picture Photography
	DSO 903: 	Documentary Still Photography


STS-57 SUMMARY TIMELINE

   NOTE:  The STS-57 mission is planned to be 6 days, 23 hours, 19
minutes long.  However, it may be extended by 1 day immediately after
launch if projections calculated at that time for energy and fuel use
during the EURECA rendezvous permit.  If STS-57 remains a 6-day (MET)
flight, the extravehicular activity scheduled for flight day five would
be cancelled.  Activities planned for the first four flight days would
be unchanged.  Flight control system checkout, reaction control system
hot-fire and Spacehab deactivation would take place on flight day
seven.  Entry and landing would be on flight day eight.

   The following is a schedule for the extended, 7-day, 23-hour (MET)
mission:

Flight Day One	Flight Day Six
Ascent	Spacehab operations
OMS-2 (251 n.m. x 169 n.m.)	FARE operations
Spacehab activation
Spacehab operations
NC-1 burn (251 n.m. x 174 n.m.)

Flight Day Two	Flight Day Seven
Remote manipulator system checkout	Spacehab operations
SHOOT operations	FARE operations
Spacehab operations
NC-2 burn (251 n.m. x 178 n.m.)

Flight Day Three	Flight Day Eight
SHOOT operations	Spacehab operations
Spacehab operations	Flight control systems checkout
NC-3 burn (251 n.m. x 184 n.m.)	Reaction control system hot-fire
	Spacehab deactivation

Flight Day Four	Cabin stow
EURECA retrieval
NSR burn (251 n.m. x 248 n.m.)	Flight Day Nine
NH-4 burn (257 n.m. x 250 n.m.)	Spacehab deactivation completed
TI-burn (259 n.m. x 256 n.m.)	Deorbit preparations
EURECA grapple	Deorbit burn
EURECA berth	Entry
Spacehab operations	Landing

Flight Day Five
Extravehicular activity preparations
Extravehicular activity (4 hours)

--
	Jim Martin			Internet: jim@noc.rutgers.edu
	Network Services		UUCP: {backbone}!rutgers!jim
	Rutgers University		Phone: (908) 932-3719


From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun  2 10:39:21 1993
From: booloo@framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov (Mark Boolootian)
Subject: Any guesses as to when the whiteboard will be publicly available?
To: rem-conf@es.net
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 10:23:48 -0700 (PDT)
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Can anyone comment on the projected availability of the whiteboard tool?  I
thought Van Jacobson was planning on releasing it around the last IETF
meeting.  Is it likely to be publicly available in time for the next IETF?

thnx,
mb
-- 
Mark Boolootian		booloo@llnl.gov		+1 510 423 1948

From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun  2 10:50:16 1993
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 93 13:35:11 EDT
From: Jim Martin <jim@grimaldi.rutgers.edu>
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Folks,
	I just found out that the STS-57 launch has been pushed back
to the week of June 14-18 due to problems with a pump on one of the
main engines. Unfortunately, I'll be out of town during that week so I
_probably_ will not be able to broadcast this mission. If not, I'll
make sure to make the next one, in mid to late July, available.
Perhaps Scott Rodgers of Goddard would be willing to transmit this
mission in my absence? Sorry if this is a disappointment.
							Jim


--
	Jim Martin			Internet: jim@noc.rutgers.edu
	Network Services		UUCP: {backbone}!rutgers!jim
	Rutgers University		Phone: (908) 932-3719


From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jun  3 01:53:17 1993
To: rem-conf@es.net, rem-conf@es.net
Subject: Networking Multimedia Applications
From: Chris Adie <cja@castle.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Reply-To: C.J.Adie@edinburgh.ac.uk
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 93 9:32:51 WET DST
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You may be interested in the following IETF BOF session.  If you intend
coming along, please let me know.  (The secretariat need an estimate of
numbers so they can allocate a suitably-sized room.)


                          IETF Meeting in Amsterdam

                               BOF Session on

                      NETWORKING MULTIMEDIA APPLICATIONS

               (currently scheduled for Tuesday 13 July, 1930-2200)


The ready availability of user-friendly multimedia authoring tools such
as Authorware Professional, Asymmetrix Multimedia Toolbook, Macromind
Director and many more, has stimulated much interest in multimedia
within the user community.  Sophisticated interactive multimedia
applications are being developed in many disparate subjects and for a
wide range of purposes.  Users are now beginning to ask us, as network
technologists, "how can I make my multimedia application available to
others across the network?".

In a parallel development, existing client-server network information
retrieval tools are being enhanced with multimedia handling features. 
Gopher+ for instance has been designed with multimedia data firmly in
mind.  The World Wide Web project is currently defining a new version of
its hypertext markup language, to be called HMML - HyperMedia Markup
Language - which includes multimedia support.

A third strand of activity is the emergence of network technologies
capable of carrying audio and video data across the network, initially
driven by multimedia conferencing applications.  Network technologies
such as ATM and protocols such as RTP are potentially capable of
handling isochronous multimedia data in an effective way. 

This BOF session will focus on issues which link these three strands. 
Particular questions to be addressed are:

* What are user requirements in terms of responsiveness, and what demands
  this places on the network and server system, and how these might
  be mitigated.

* The prospects for making existing interactive multimedia applications
  available over the network - eg by writing conversion tools from
  proprietary formats to a suitable open format.

* To what extent can existing network information retrieval tools such as
  Gopher, WWW, WAIS be used for sophisticated multimedia applications?
  What about the tools emerging from the research community such as
  AthenaMuse 2 (MIT), Microcosm (U of Southampton), HyperG (U of Graz)?
  Do we need another tool, or can we build on what we have?

* How can such tools be enhanced to take advantage of isochronous
  data streams?

* What relevance do standards such as HyTime and MHEG have?

The BOF is intended to test interest in the subject, to define issues
that need resoving, and to see whether a WG can be formed to work on
those issues. 


Chris Adie                                   Phone:  +44 31 650 3363
Edinburgh University Computing Service       Fax:    +44 31 662 4809
University Library, George Square            Email:  C.J.Adie@edinburgh.ac.uk
Edinburgh EH8 9LJ, United Kingdom



From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jun  4 11:24:32 1993
To: rem-conf@es.net
Subject: IP as the future Audio/Video infrastructure
Reply-To: pmetzger@lehman.com
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1993 14:02:36 -0400
From: "Perry E. Metzger" <pmetzger@lehman.com>
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Very often, people in fora like this note that the experiments we are
doing with video and audio over the internet are just "experiments"
and that the internet isn't really the right platform for doing things
like this. My query for the list is, "Why"?

Given an appropriate IP:TNG so that everyone in the world can have
their home on the internet, and given appropriate additions to the
routing protocols to allow things like bandwidth reservation along
particular paths, why shouldn't IP:TNG or something like it be "the
only communication protocol you'll ever need"? Why shouldn't
day-to-day television, radio, telephony, data transmittion and
everything else actually go down the same cable via the same protocol?
Naturally the routing systems we use now aren't up to this task -- but
future routers specifically designed for an internet in which much of
the traffic is real time don't really seem that outlandish. Naturally
we don't currently have the bandwidth to do all this, but as we all
know thats rapidly changing.

So, to the people who assert that the internet is not going to be,
among other things, the telephone, videophone, and cable TV system of
the future, I ask the question "Why shouldn't it be?"

Perry Metzger

PS I fully realize that a system only capable of transmitting two or
five frames a second (like the ones we have now) with random pauses
isn't acceptable -- but then again, we are using todays routers and
low bandwidth. My question only addresses the future.


From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun  7 06:54:19 1993
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 16:45:37 +0200
From: Olli-Pekka Halonen <okko@janus.otol.fi>
To: rem-conf@es.net
Subject: Video Conferencing info
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Hi :)

I'm working with SUN IPX and VideoPix card and i'm looking for
good video-conferencing programs and sites where this kind
of experiments are done and user that have a machine with video-card
and who are willing to try to make an conection with me.

Any information about this kind of systems are more than wellcome.

PS	Please forgive any linguistic mistakes

From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun  7 07:40:59 1993
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 16:25:10 +0100
To: Olli-Pekka Halonen <okko@janus.otol.fi>, rem-conf@es.net
From: hans@sics.se (Hans Eriksson)
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At 16.45 93-06-07 +0200, Olli-Pekka Halonen wrote:
>Any information about this kind of systems are more than wellcome.

For local people in Finland, try Vesa.Ruokonen@lut.fi and Markku Savela
<savela@tel.vtt.fi>.

They are connected to MBONE and have also run ivs, nv and vat.

cheers

/hans

Hans Eriksson, SICS, Box 1263, 164 28 Kista, Sweden
Tel: +46 8 752 1527     Fax: +46 8 751 7230     email: hans@sics.se


From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun  7 11:33:13 1993
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 13:04:46 -0500
From: "Gerard V. Talatinian" <gtalatin@vartivar.ucs.indiana.edu>
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  I am getting ready to order a new Sun workstation to be used partly for mbone
stuff, and I have a choice between a SparcStation LX (runs Solaris 2.x only)
and a SparcStation IPX (can run Solaris 1.1 or Solaris 2.x ).
  I remember a discussion a while back related to the feasibility of
running the current suite of a/v conferencing apps (sd, vat, nv, nevot, ivs)
under Solaris 2.x. Will most of these apps currently run/compile under
Solaris2.x? Should I stick with the IPX and run SunOS 4.1.3 (and forgo 16-bit
audio support?).
Any pointers are greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
   -Gerard.

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From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun  7 15:34:55 1993
From: Pavel Curtis <Pavel@parc.xerox.com>
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Subject: New MBone Map Available
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There is a new version of the MBone map available for anonymous FTP from
parcftp.xerox.com, in the pub/net-research/ directory as the files:

		mbone-map-small.ps
		mbone-map-big.ps.Z

The `small' map fits on one 8.5 x 11 page but is pretty tough to read at all.
The `big' map is a blowup of the small one by a linear factor of 4, printing
out as 16 pages that have to be trimmed and taped together for viewing.

	Pavel Curtis
	Occasional MBone Cartographer

From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun  9 22:47:37 1993
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 93 22:33:29 PDT
From: ari@es.net (Ari Ollikainen)
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FORTUNE, June 28, 1993, page 145, PRODUCTS TO WATCH:

			POINT AND SHOOT

	Have you ever seen a camcorder strapped atop a 
	colleague's computer and wondered what it's for?
	Chances are your officemate was videoteleconferencing
	by turning the computer screen into a version of a 
	videophone. He may also use a camcorder/computer
	combo to add video footage to presentations. Now 
	the FlexCam from VideoLabs of Minneapolis offers a 
	more elegant solution: a tiny color camera about 
	1.5 inches in diameter perched on the end of an 
	18-inch flexible stalk. Twist the FlexCam to point
	to an an object or a document, or set it directly in
	front of your monitor so you can communicate eyeball
	to eyeball without looking away from the screen. The 
	spherical head of the camera contains the lens and 
	light sensor, plus two stereo microphones. These are
	connected to audio and video processors in the base
	by an electric cable. The FlexCam works with all 
	popular video teleconferencing and editing packages
	for IBM-compatible PCs and Macintoshes and sells for
	$ 595...
	Luckily the FlexCam isn't chained to a desk -- it also 
	can work as a candid camera when plugged into a VCR.

				------

Looks like a nifty gadget from the picture ... Anyone seen this in real 
life? I've asked for more information...stay tuned.


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From ari@es.net Thu Jun 10 08:05:54 1993
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 07:58:29 PDT
From: ari@es.net (Ari Ollikainen)
To: ari@es.net, rem-conf@es.net
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VideoLabs: 612 897-1995 ask for Greg Craven

--Ari

From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jun 10 18:02:43 1993
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 13:12:00 PDT
From: tang@buggle.Eng.Sun.COM (John Tang)
To: rem-conf@es.net
Subject: Re: FlexCam
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We've been evaluating the FlexCam for desktop conferencing use, and
have a couple observations:

The gooseneck stand affords very flexible positioning of the camera
head so that you can position the lens very close to where video
windows appear on your computer screen for near eye contact.  It also
affords quick alternation between showing your face and something down
on the desktop.  The on/off switch on the base (which controls both the
video and the audio) and the "on" light indicator are good privacy
features (although the light indicator is too subtle to be easily seen
under normal lighting conditions).  Having the microphone packaged with
the camera is a big plus for desktop conferencing use.

We actually went through two versions of the camera.  The first version
had poor low light performance in an interior (no window) office with
flourescent lighting, although it performed acceptably in a window
office.  The audio appeared to be somewhere between mike level and line
level.  VideoLabs said that both problems were addressed in an upgrade,
which they sent us.

The upgrade had reasonably good video image performance in a window
office.  The audio level was good for input to a SPARCstation--worked
with an attenuator plugged into SPARC audio just as we do with a
camcorder audio line level.  Field of view was good--wider than a
standard camcorder.  However, performance in an interior office was
still poor.  For some reason, the auto-iris was being fooled to close
down more than needed.  Consequently, the subject appeared very dark,
and the video image would not be acceptable without supplemental
lighting.  It doesn't help that all of our office walls are painted
white, tending towards a backlight problem for the camera.

When we chatted with VideoLabs again about the low-light problem, they
indicated that they had discovered a problem in some of their CCD
camera components, so we're waiting to hear what adjustments might be
made to address the problem.

We're evaluating two other desktop conferencing cameras at the moment,
and so far the VideoLabs FlexCam does seem to be the best overall
package, although low-light performance and backlighting problems seem
to be an issue for all of them.

John Tang
SunSoft, Inc.

From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jun 10 19:33:04 1993
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 19:04:24 PDT
From: ari@es.net (Ari Ollikainen)
To: rem-conf@es.net
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Quoted from VideoLabs' FlexCam literature:

	VideoLabs's [sic] FlexCam (patent pending) is the first 
	integrated color camera and microphone designed for desktop
	video and communications. 

	FlexCam consists of a 1/3 inch, high resolution, color CCD
	camera and two microphones. The camera and microphones are 
	mounted on a slender, 18-inch flexible wand which can be 
	easily adjusted for precise camera positioning.

	All FlexCam's electronics are mounted in the unit's base. A 
	single cable, which attaches to the rear of the base carries 
	all power, video and audio to a convenient "behind the 
	computer" location reducing desktop  clutter.

	Video output is high-quality, NTSC-standard color( PAL version
	is also available). FlexCam is compatible with all leading 
	video digitizing boards for Microsoft Video for Windows, 
	Macintosh, and other computers. FlexCam can also be used with 
	VCR's [sic], videoconferencing systems and any other device 
	which accepts standard video input. 

	Audi output is standard line level stereo.

	List Price: $595 FlexCam NTSC or PAL
		    $695 FlexCam Pro S-Video (NTSC or PAL)

	Contact: 	Greg Craven or Chris Smith
	
			VideoLabs Inc.
	 		5270 West 84th Street
			Minneapolis, MN 55437
	
			612 897 1995
			612 897 3597 FAX
		
	
	Specifications

	Audio		2 standard audio microphones
			standard RCA jacks
			directionality matches that of lens

	Video 		High Resolution 1/3" Color CCD Camera
			300 TV lines (H); 350 TV lines (V)

			NTSC: 510 (H) x 492 (V) picture elements
			PAL:  500 (H) x 582 (V)    "       "

			Adjustable focus: 1/4" to infinity

			1 lux at f2.0 sensitivity
			[shown as 2.5lux in press release]

			52dB S/N

			Internal Synchronization

			Composite or component (S-Video) video output

			TTL Auto Tracking white balance

			Auto exposure (electronic shutter)

			Operating Temperature: -10C to +50C in free air

	Mechanical	On-off switch in base

			Base: 7.25" x 7.25"
				
			Gooseneck: 18" long flexible wand
			           
			Head: 1.6" (H) x 1.3" (W) 1.3" (D)
			       swivels 30 degrees left or right

			Weight: 4.2 lb. [ mostly in the base for stability]



From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jun 10 19:46:32 1993
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 22:23:19 EDT
From: broscius@faline.bellcore.com (Al Broscius)
To: rem-conf@es.net
Subject: Re: Shuttle Audio Postponed!
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> Folks,
>         I just found out that the STS-57 launch has been pushed back
> to the week of June 14-18 due to problems with a pump on one of the
> main engines. Unfortunately, I'll be out of town during that week so I
> _probably_ will not be able to broadcast this mission. If not, I'll
> make sure to make the next one, in mid to late July, available.
> Perhaps Scott Rodgers of Goddard would be willing to transmit this
> mission in my absence? Sorry if this is a disappointment.
>                                                         Jim

Jim,
	I will attempt to provide a reasonable feed from NASA Select TV
on the F2R C-band transponder.  Please let me know how well you receive
the video and audio feeds.  I've set the video maximum rate in color nv
to be 64 kbps and the audio is sent as IDVI at 32kbps.

						Thanks
						Al Broscius
						Bellcore Applied Research

From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jun 10 20:45:48 1993
From: bill@wizard.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bill Fink)
Subject: Request for Internet Talk Radio Feed for NASA Goddard
To: rem-conf@es.net
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 23:24:21 -0400 (EDT)
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Is there anyone nearby who would be willing to provide NASA Goddard
with access to the Internet Talk Radio files?

						-Thanks

						-Bill

From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jun 11 09:30:48 1993
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 93 09:10:59 PDT
From: ari@es.net (Ari Ollikainen)
To: rem-conf@es.net
Subject: Color CCD camera (NCK9127CM)
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As promised, here's the spec sheet for the TeleCamera NCK 9127CM referred to
in my previous message:

Model NCK 9127CM 1/3" CCD (270k pixels) Solid State Color Camera w/ 6.1mm lens
and integrated omni-directional microphone

List price $287.00 each + $4.50 each for power adaptor (PN D9300-110)"

	HOWARD ENTERPRISES INC
	3039 Marigold Place
	Thousand Oaks, CA 91360-6318
	805-492-4842
	805-492-9973 FAX

Specifications

Scanning System: 	NTSC standard 525 lines, 30 frames/second

Image Device:		Frame transfer method CCD 532(H) x 500(V) pixels;
			effective picture elements: 510(H) x 492(V)

Sync System:		Internal sync only

Resolution: 		Horizontal: 330 TV lines

Iris System: 		Electronic Auto Iris

Video Output Level:	1.0vp-p (75 ohms) negative. Composite 
				Video 714mvpp + or - 10%
				Sync  286mvpp + or - 10%

Video S/N ratio: 	45dB (Measured by VN-30A1 Noise Meter)
			
Minimum Illumination: 	10 lux (Measured by T-I Luminance Meter)

Gamma Correction: 	0.45 fixed

Shedding: 		Less than 200mv

Angle view: 		33degrees Vertical; 47degrees Horizontal

Lens:			Fixed glass lens at f2.0

Focal Length: 		6.1mm +/- 0.25mm

Focal Distance: 	600mm

Video Output: 		Composite Video

Rear Connector: 	Video: RCA standard pin jack
			AC Adaptor Jack: Diameter=6mm; Inside pin=2mm

Camera Mount: 		1/4" - 4.5 (Bottom)

Environmental: 		Temperature:
				Operating: 	0 to 45 degreesC
				Storage: 	-20 to 80 degreesC

Power Requirement: 	12VDC +/- 1.2V; 165mA maximum

Power Consumption: 	5 watt maximum with AC adaptor

Size: 			68.5mm(W) x 43mm(H) x 122mm(D)

Weight: 		180grams

Compliance: 		FCC Class B



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Ari Ollikainen    ari@es.net     National Energy Research Supercomputer Center
ESnet (Energy Sciences Network)   Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory       
510-423-5962  FAX:510-423-8744   P.O. BOX 5509, MS L-561, Livermore, CA 94550  
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From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun 14 16:48:10 1993
From: steve@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com (Steve DeJarnett)
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	The last version of this came out empty so I'm trying it again.  Sorry
for the duplicate-appearing messages.

	Steve


From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jun 15 09:59:22 1993
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Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 18:37:11 +0200
From: Klaus Rebensburg <ibmpa!ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com!prz.tu-berlin.dbp.de!klaus@ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Interest in ST-II (possible BOF)
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Yes, we are very much interested in the ST-II field.
We are currently porting SICS ST-II on HP9000/7xx workstations and PCs.
XTP-Lite is the choice above of it.
All happens within the framework of BERKOM II.

Klaus Rebensburg.

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From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jun 15 19:52:13 1993
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 19:29:29 PDT
To: rem-conf@es.net
From: aar@kaleida.com
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Call for Papers
Conference on "High-Speed Networking and Multimedia Applications"

Part of IS&T/SPIE Symposium on Electronic Imaging: Science & Technology
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California, February 6-10, 1994

The emergence of reasonably priced high-speed networks that can link
ever smaller and more powerful computers creates new opportunities and
challenges for users and application developers.  Along with these
developments, new technologies such as multimedia, visualization, and
virtual reality have emerged.  The growth of these technologies is
proof that the pace of expansion in computer engineering continues to
accelerate into the 90's.

This conference intends to bring together researchers and developers
who are exploring or building high speed networks and applications
enabled by high speed networks.  The conference will serve as a forum
for discussing advanced networking technologies, novel application
ideas, insights in application system modeling, integration and
network requirements, and experiences from prototypes, field trials,
or production systems.  Equal emphases will be placed on network
technologies, application systems, and their mutual dependencies.

Papers are solicited in all areas of high speed networks and
multimedia applications, including but not limited to,
- High speed networks
- Collaboration over networks
- Human interface for multimedia applications
- Network based medical imaging
- Multimedia scientific applications
- Distributed multimedia applications
- Games and entertainment
- Distributed virtual worlds
- Security in distributed applications

Organizers:

Chairs:
Mon-Song Chen, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
Jacek Maitan, Lockheed Palo Alto Research Lab

Program committees:
Robert Boorstyn, Polytechnic University
Arif Ghafoor, Purdue University
Madan Gopal, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
Gita Gopal, Bellcore
Ping-Kang Hsiung, Entertainment Research & Applications
Dilip Kandlur, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
Shay Kutten, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
Seong Ki Mun, Georgetown University
Michael Lesk, Bellcore
Arturo A. Rodriguez, Kaleida Labs
Gerri Sinclair, Simon Fraser University
Anujan Varma, UC Santa Cruz
Steven Weinstein, Bellcore

INSTRUCTIONS FOR AUTHORS

Each paper will be reviewed by members of the program committee.  The
deadline for paper submissions is 12 July 1993. Please submit four copies
by mail, or one copy by email or fax, of a 500 word (or greater) summary
and other requested information to:

IS&T/SPIE EI94
High-Speed Networking and Multimedia Applications 
P.O. Box 10
Bellingham, WA 98227-0010 USA

Shipping address: 1000 20th St., Bellingham, WA 98225 

Telephone: (206) 676-3290
Telefax: (206) 647-1445
Internet abstracts@mom.spie.org

Please include the following information: 

1. Title of Paper
2. Authors' full names, affiliations, address, phone, fax and email
3. Include a sentence indicating that the paper is intended for High-Speed
Networking and Multimedia Applications.
4. Summary text (500 words or greater)
5. Authors'  Biographies


From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jun 15 19:52:13 1993
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 19:23:48 PDT
To: rem-conf@es.net
From: aar@kaleida.com
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Subject: DIGITAL VIDEO COMPRESSION AND PROCESSING ON PERSONAL COMPUTERS
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CALL FOR PAPERS

DIGITAL VIDEO COMPRESSION AND PROCESSING ON PERSONAL COMPUTERS:
ALGORITHMS AND TECHNOLOGIES

Part of IS&T/SPIE Symposium on Electronic Imaging: Science & Technology
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California, February 6-10, 1994

Rapid continual advances in computer technologies coupled with the
availability of high-volume data storage devices have effected the advent
of multimedia applications in desktop computers and workstations.  As
emerging technologies set higher performance levels, much emphasis is being
placed on enabling low-cost computer platforms with digital video playback
capabilities.  Digital video data poses many challenges due to its inherent
high bandwidth and storage requirements.  

This conference brings together practitioners and researchers working in
all facets of digital video implementations on desktop computers and
low-cost workstations.  The conference will serve as a forum for exchange
of video codec implementations. Presenters will be encouraged to
demonstrate their digital video solutions on any desktop computer or
low-cost workstation.  Papers on video and image processing techniques
employed in video editing are also welcomed.  This conference will allow
participants to appreciate the scientific concepts behind technologies that
work on desktop computers  and low-cost workstations, and to understand the
compromises required with constraints on numerical resources.

Papers are solicited in all areas of digital video implementations on
desktop computers and low-cost workstations, including, but not limited to:

- Video codec algorithms amenable to software-only playback in personal
   computers:
     - asymmetrical compression techniques based on statistical data analysis,
       image analysis, fractals, or vector quantization
     - frame-differencing techniques
     - decoding techniques to facilitate software-only playback
     - design of video stream syntax for software-only playback
- Decoder optimization
- Frame-rate scalability techniques
- Hierarchical encoding schemes and frame resolution scalability techniques
    - wavelets
    - sub-band coding
    - pyramids
- Model based image coding
- Displaying schemes:
     - real-time dithering and error-diffusion techniques
     - real-time palette-to-palette translation techniques
     - real-time color space conversion techniques
- MPEG
     - software or hardware implementations
     - rapid block motion estimation techniques
     - block matching criteria
     - pre-processing and image analysis techniques to control scalar
       quantization
     - post-processing and image enhancement methods
- Motion JPEG implementations
- Motion JPEG to MPEG conversions
- Low bit rate video coding (less than 100 Kilobits per second)
- Very low bit rate video coding  (less than 10 Kilobits per second)
- Bandwidth control techniques:
      - mapping threshold adjustment to bandwidth control
- Image and video processing techniques for video editing, including morphing, 
   cropping, fading, scaling, and background accentuation/de-accentuation
- Scene change detection
- Studies on perceptual quality and bandwidth tradeoffs by varying color depth, 
   frame resolution, and frame rate
- Psychovisual studies of detection of motion JPEG and MPEG artifacts

Papers describing case studies of digital video codec algorithms and/or
technologies, and system integration issues will be also welcomed.

Conference Chair:  
Arturo A. Rodriguez, Kaleida Labs

Program Committee:

Walter Bender, MIT Media Lab
Alan C. Bovik, University of Texas
Jerome R. Cox, Jr., Washington University
Edward J. Delp, Purdue University
Paul Farrelle, Optivision
Edward A. Fox, Virginia Tech
Ehud D. Karnin, IBM Haifa Scientific Center
Ken Morse, Kaleida Labs
James O. Normile, Apple Computer
P. Venkat Rangan, University of California, San Diego
K. R. Rao, University of Texas at Arlington
Lawrence A. Rowe, University of California, Berkeley
Arthur J. Stein, IBM Watson Research Center
Eric Viscito, IBM Watson Research Center

INSTRUCTIONS FOR AUTHORS

Each paper will be reviewed by members of the program committee.  The
deadline for paper submissions is 12 July 1993. Please submit four copies
by mail, or one copy by email or fax, of a 500 word (or greater) summary
and other requested information to:

IS&T/SPIE EI94
Digital Video Compression and Processing on Personal Computers 
P.O. Box 10
Bellingham, WA 98227-0010 USA

Shipping address: 1000 20th St., Bellingham, WA 98225 

Telephone: (206) 676-3290
Telefax: (206) 647-1445
Internet abstracts@mom.spie.org

Please include the following information: 

1. Title of Paper
2. Authors' full names, affiliations, address, phone, fax and email
3. Include a sentence indicating that the paper is intended for Digital
    Video Compression and Processing on Personal Computers.
4. Summary text (500 words or greater)
5. Authors'  Biographies

Please also send an e-mail note to aar@kaleida.com if you plan to submit a
paper. 

The Conference Chair and Program Committee will select the best papers of
the conference.  Authors of the best papers will be invited to make journal
form submissions for a special issue of the journal, Multimedia Systems,
devoted to the theme of the conference.  Multimedia Systems is an
international journal jointly published by ACM and  Springer-Verlag.

**********************************************************************
LIST  OF  PLANNED  THEME  SESSIONS

1. Color Compression (including palletization)

2. Video Editing and Morphing

3. PC Video Architectures and Environments 

4. Hierarchical video codec algorithms,including wavelets, sub-band coding,
& pyramids

5. Low (<100 Kbits/s) & Very low bit rate video coding (< 10 Kbit/s) 

6. Video On-Demand Services 

7. MPEG

8. Medical Video 

9. Video codec algorithms amenable for software-only playback


From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun 16 05:40:16 1993
To: rem-conf@es.net
Cc: steve@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Interest in ST-II (possible BOF)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 13:19:59 +0100
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I am concerned over the proliferation of ST-II implementations/experiments
where there are several major gaps in the protocol.

1. It addresses QoS specification through flow specification, but does
NOT specifiy any mechanisms to achieve this. It relied initially on 
the cute DQDB variant employted on BBns terrestrial wideband net, and
currently (at least to UCL) on an ad hoc IP 'fair share'/resource
control mechanis, again unspecified...

2. It includes its own Multicast/Group Control which has at least once
undergone revision (in implementation) because of hitting problems
that were already known about in IP multicast

3. It has been criticisd elsewhere as overly complex

4. It competes unnecesarily for implementation effort wqith some of
the IPng proposals which address many (but not all, yet) of the
problems...

my view is

a) leave IP as the basis of current routing including multicast
b) enhance it through IPng work to provide 
i) more scalable multicast
ii) resource control
through a seperate resource specification protocol (e.g. rsvp, but ST
could be used in part i nthe same way too..)

basicaly, i feel ST-II falls between two stools -

I - end to end resource control, based on adaptive playout and
congestion avoidance, etc
II - use of underlying ATM net to do same job...
(whose signalling already does (1).

if you want to share the net with IP traffic, you HAVE to solve the
resource control problem at the IP level.

there: you wanted a debate!


 jon
p.s. i have another problem with the current clear, legitimate overlap
between big-internet and rem-conf, but that's another
cross-posting...which i'm not going to make

From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun 16 06:45:06 1993
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 9:20:42 EDT
From: Chip Elliott <celliott@BBN.COM>
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I've been (slowly) writing a paper on the existing
ST-II implementations.

At present count, there are 13 different implementations;
some are based on the two public domain versions, some
are not.

Interest is particularly lively in Europe, primarily
due to the BERKOM project.

Thus absence of ARPA funding does not mean
absence of interest in ST-II. In fact, ST-II seems
to be enjoying something of a boom time right now,
mainly for multimedia data streams.

-- Chip

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At the ITCA'93 tradeshow which happened to be collocated with the
gigabit workshop, I saw a demo of the InterVision InVision video
conferencing software for PC MS Windows systems. It uses the Intel
i750-based codec or the ActionMedia 2 board. Prices are $2995 and
$3995, respectively. From discussions with Ken Erbes, VP Engineering,
they are using RTP over UDP (unicast only).

InterVision can be reached at (703) 560-1446.

Question: would it be possible to decode the i750 format in software?

---
Henning Schulzrinne (hgs@research.att.com)
AT&T Bell Laboratories  (MH 2A-244)
600 Mountain Ave; Murray Hill, NJ 07974
phone: +1 908 582-2262; fax: +1 908 582-5809

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The following corrections were provided by James Geddes
<wk05020@worldlink.com> from InterVision:

> We have 2 version of InVision: The Performance System Kit is priced at
> only $3,395 and the Convenience System Kit is only $2,995.

> We've had some internal and now I guess external discussions about
> RTP, but it's only been talk and it concerns future offerings.  We
> follow and try to attend the IETF meetings, so as you can see RTP is
> important for us to follow, after all it may neccesary to add its
> support for InVision and any subsequent products we offer the public.

---
Henning Schulzrinne (hgs@research.att.com)
AT&T Bell Laboratories  (MH 2A-244)
600 Mountain Ave; Murray Hill, NJ 07974
phone: +1 908 582-2262; fax: +1 908 582-5809



From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun  21 12:20:49 1993 
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I can offer PSC resources to do (mostly) authentic full load testing
of the non-europe part of the IETF multicast distribution tree.

Sometime later this week I will be installing a Sparc 1+ on a
subnet which is not connected to other local multicast infrastructure
but with sufficient IP bandwidth to carry two tunnels out into the NSFnet.
Its name will be zworykin-66 (look it up in your technology dictionary).

If the US top level distribution points have sufficient BW facing NSFnet to
carry an additional tunnel each, we can inject routes and traffic from
zworykin with metrics and TTLs comparable to what we expect from europe.

Is this feasible from the top level distribution points?  How do we prevent
backfeeding Europe?

What I don't have is good signal generators.  zworykin will have rather
uninteresting video sources and no reasonable audio sources.  I would strongly
prefer to have either pre-recorded clips with precisely known packet traces or
computational (audio and video) sources.

Some comments about local topology: Snipe sits on the ethernet DMZ to ENSS132,
zworykin will be in our Cray machine room, and have connectivity via the FDDI
interface on ENSS132.  zworykin could sustain 2*400Kb/S for 24*7 hours without
any difficulty.  I will be happy to run the test generators on what ever
schedule best serves the community, as long as it can be implemented with
cron.

I have a tool that I will send out later today that directly measures
availible CPU cycles on a unix router.  Although theory suggests that Snipe
should be out of steam, I have measured it and it is not.

Later,
--MM--

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From: Jim Martin <jim@grimaldi.rutgers.edu>
To: rem-conf@es.net
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Gentlepeople,
	I just got back from out of town and found that the Shuttle is
up and no one has had a chance to retransmit the audio onto the MBone.
Hence, I've created a new session titled "Live Shuttle Audio (STS-57)"
viewable via sd. This session should stay in effect for the duration
of the mission. I'm including the mission information that I had sent
earlier. Let me know if there are any problems!
							Jim

---- Included Text Follows: ----

FIRST SPACEHAB FLIGHT HIGHLIGHTS STS-57 SHUTTLE MISSION


     The beginning of a new era in the commercial development of space
and the retrieval of a European satellite highlight NASA's Shuttle
Mission STS-57.  The mission, scheduled for early June 1993, also will
see Space Shuttle Endeavour and her six-person crew use experiments
designed by and for students, operate a payload which may improve
crystal growth techniques and demonstrate possbile on-orbit refueling
techniques.

     A rendezvous with the European Space Agency's European Carrier
(EURECA) satellite is scheduled to take place on the fourth day of the
mission.  The Shuttle's robot arm will be used to grapple the
satellite.  It then will be lowered into Endeavour's cargo bay and
stowed so it can be returned to Earth.  The EURECA satellite has been
on-orbit collecting data since its deployment during Shuttle Mission
STS-46 in July 1992.

     On STS-57, NASA will be leasing a privately-developed mid-deck
augmentation module known as SPACEHAB.  The primary objective is to
support the agency's commercial development of space program by
providing additional access to crew-tended, mid-deck locker or
experiment rack space.  This access is necessary to test, demonstrate
or evaluate techniques or processes in microgravity.

     NASA's secondary objective is to foster the development of space
infrastructure which can be marketed by private firms to support
commercial microgravity research payloads.  In this instance, SPACEHAB,
Inc., has the capability of leasing SPACEHAB facility space to other
commercial customers on upcoming flights of the module.

     The experiments flying inside this first SPACEHAB include investigations
ranging from drug improvement, feeding plants, cell splitting, the
first soldering experiment in space by American astronauts and
high-temperature melting of metals.

     Included are 13 commercial development of space experiments in
material processing and biotechnology, one NASA biotechnology
experiment and five other NASA investigations related to human factors
and the Endeavor's environment and a space station environmental
control system test.

     Three other payloads, the Get Away Special (GAS), the Consortium for
Materials Development in Space Complex Autonomous Payload-IV
(CONCAP-IV) and the Superfluid On-Orbit Transfer (SHOOT) payload will
be carried in Endeavour's cargo bay.

     The GAS system, which has flown many times on the Space Shuttle,
allows indiviudals and organizations around the world access to space
for scientific research.  During the STS-57 mission, 10 GAS payloads
from the United States, Canada, Japan and Europe will perform a variety
of microgravity experiments.

     The CONCAP-IV payload is the fourth area of investigation in a series of
payloads.  It will investigate the growth of nonlinear organic crystals
by a novel method of physical vapor transport in the weightlessness of
the space environment.  Nonlinear optical materials are the key to many
optical applications now and in the future with optical computing being
a prime example.

     The SHOOT payload is designed to develop and demonstrate the
technology required to re-supply liquid helium containers in space.
Because so little experience exists with cryogen management in
microgravity, SHOOT is designed to gather data about how the liquid
feeds to pumps, the behavior of the liquid/vapor discriminators and the
slosh and cool down of the liquid.

Middeck Experiments

     Two experiments which previously have flown aboard the Shuttle
will be carried in Endeavour's middeck area.  The Fluid Acquisition and
Resupply Experiment (FARE), which last flew on Shuttle Mission STS-53
in November 1992, will continue to investigate the fill, refill and
expulsion characteristics of simulated propellant tanks.  It also will
study the behavior of liquid motion in microgravity.

     The Air Force Maui Optical System (AMOS) is an electro-optical facility
located on the Hawaiian Island of Maui.  The primary objectives of AMOS
are to use the orbiter during flights over Maui to obtain imagery
and/or signature data from the ground-based sensors.

Spacewalk on STS-57

     STS-57 crew members David Low and Jeff Wisoff will perform a 4-hour
extravehicular activity (EVA) on the fifth day of the flight as a
continuation of a series of spacewalks NASA plans to conduct to prepare
for construction of the space station.

     The spacewalk tests, the first of which was performed on STS-54 in
January 1993, are designed to refine training methods for spacewalks,
expand the EVA experience levels of astronauts, flight controllers and
instructors, and aid in better understanding the differences between
true weightlessness and the ground simulations used in training.

     In addition, since the Shuttle's remote manipulator system mechanical
arm will be aboard Endeavour to retrieve EURECA, the STS-57 spacewalk
will assist in refining several procedures being developed to service
the Hubble Space Telescope on mission STS-61 in December.

Education

     NASA's on-going educational efforts will be represented by two
payloads.  The Get-Away Special (GAS) #324 - CAN DO experiment is
designed to take 1,000 photos of the Earth allowing students to make
observations and document global change by comparing the CAN DO photos
with matched Skylab photos.

     The primary payload of CAN DO, known as GEOCAM, contains four
Nikon 35mm cameras equipped with 250 exposure film backs.  The GEOCAM
system will match closely the larger Skylab film format in both
coverage and quality allowing direct examination and comparison of the
changes that have occurred to the planet in the last 20 years.  The
canister also contains 350 small, passive, student experiments.

     STS-57 crew members will take on the role of teacher as they educate
students from around the world about their mission objectives and what
it is like to live and work in space by using the Shuttle Amateur Radio
Experiment (SAREX) experiment.  Brian Duffy and Janet Voss will operate
SAREX.  Operating times for school contacts are planned into the crew's
activities.

Mission Summary

     Leading the six-person STS-57 crew will be Mission Commander Ronald
Grabe who will be making his fourth space flight.  Pilot for the
mission is Brian Duffy, making his second flight.  Leading the science
team will be Payload Commander David Low who also is designated as
Mission Specialist 1 (MS1) and is making his third flight.  The three
other mission specialists for this flight are Nancy Sherlock (MS2),
Jeff Wisoff (MS3) and Janice Voss (MS4), all of whom will be making
their first flight.

     The mission duration for STS-57 is planned for 6 days, 23 hours,
19 minutes.  However, the mission may be extended by 1 day immediately
after launch if projections calculated at that time for energy and fuel
use during the EURECA rendezvous permit.  If for some reason STS-57
remains a 7-day flight, the extravehicular activity scheduled for
flight day five would be cancelled.  The STS- 57 mission will conclude
with a landing at Kennedy Space Center's Shuttle Landing Facility.

     This will be the fourth flight of Space Shuttle Endeavour and the 56th
flight of the the Space Shuttle system.

STS-57 Quick Look

Launch Date/Site:	June 3, 1993/Kennedy Space Center - Pad 39A
Launch Window:		6:13 p.m. - 7:24 p.m. EDT
Orbiter: 		Endeavour (OV-105) - 4th Flight
Orbit/Inclination: 	250 nautical miles/28.45 degrees
Mission Duration:	6 days, 23 hours, 19 minutes
Landing Date: 		June 10
Primary Landing Site: 	Kennedy Space Center, Fla.
Abort Landing Sites:	Return to Launch Site - KSC, Fla.
			TransAtlantic Abort landing 	- Banjul, The Gambia
							- Ben Guerir, Morroco
							- Moron, Spain
			Abort Once Around 		- Edwards AFB, Calif.

Crew: 	Ronald Grabe, Commander (CDR)
	Brian Duffy, Pilot (PLT)
	David Low, Payload Commander/Mission Specialist 1 (MS1)
	Nancy Sherlock, Mission Specialist 2 (MS2)
	Jeff Wisoff, Mission Specialist 3 (MS3)
	Janice Voss, Mission Specialist 4 (MS4)

Cargo Bay Payloads:	EURECA-1R (European Retrievable Carrier - Retrieval)
			SPACEHAB (Space Habitation Module)
			SHOOT (Super-fluid Helium On-Orbit Transfer)
			CONCAP-IV (Consortium for Materials Development in
				Space Complex Autonomous Payload-IV)
			GAS Bridge (Get-Away Special Bridge)

In-Cabin Payloads: 	AMOS (Air Force Maui Optical Site)
			FARE (Fluid Acquisition and Resupply Experiment)
			SAREX-II (Shuttle Amateur Radio Experiment-II)

DTOs/DSOs:
	DTO 412: 	On-orbit Fuel Cell Shutdown
	DTO 623: 	Cabin Air Monitoring
	DTO 700-2: 	Laser Range, Range-Rate Device
	DSO 603B: 	Orthostatic Function During Entry, Landing and Egress
	DSO 604 OI-1:	Visual Vestibular Integration as a Function of
			   Adaptation
	DSO 618: 	Effects of Intense Exercise During Space Flight on
			   Aerobic Capacity and Orthostatic Function
	DSO 624: 	Pre-Flight and Post-Flight Measurement of
			   Cardiorespiratory Response
	DSO 901: 	Documentary Television
	DSO 902: 	Documentary Motion Picture Photography
	DSO 903: 	Documentary Still Photography


STS-57 SUMMARY TIMELINE

   NOTE:  The STS-57 mission is planned to be 6 days, 23 hours, 19
minutes long.  However, it may be extended by 1 day immediately after
launch if projections calculated at that time for energy and fuel use
during the EURECA rendezvous permit.  If STS-57 remains a 6-day (MET)
flight, the extravehicular activity scheduled for flight day five would
be cancelled.  Activities planned for the first four flight days would
be unchanged.  Flight control system checkout, reaction control system
hot-fire and Spacehab deactivation would take place on flight day
seven.  Entry and landing would be on flight day eight.

   The following is a schedule for the extended, 7-day, 23-hour (MET)
mission:

Flight Day One	Flight Day Six
Ascent	Spacehab operations
OMS-2 (251 n.m. x 169 n.m.)	FARE operations
Spacehab activation
Spacehab operations
NC-1 burn (251 n.m. x 174 n.m.)

Flight Day Two	Flight Day Seven
Remote manipulator system checkout	Spacehab operations
SHOOT operations	FARE operations
Spacehab operations
NC-2 burn (251 n.m. x 178 n.m.)

Flight Day Three	Flight Day Eight
SHOOT operations	Spacehab operations
Spacehab operations	Flight control systems checkout
NC-3 burn (251 n.m. x 184 n.m.)	Reaction control system hot-fire
	Spacehab deactivation

Flight Day Four	Cabin stow
EURECA retrieval
NSR burn (251 n.m. x 248 n.m.)	Flight Day Nine
NH-4 burn (257 n.m. x 250 n.m.)	Spacehab deactivation completed
TI-burn (259 n.m. x 256 n.m.)	Deorbit preparations
EURECA grapple	Deorbit burn
EURECA berth	Entry
Spacehab operations	Landing

Flight Day Five
Extravehicular activity preparations
Extravehicular activity (4 hours)


--
	Jim Martin			Internet: jim@noc.rutgers.edu
	Network Services		UUCP: {backbone}!rutgers!jim
	Rutgers University		Phone: (908) 932-3719


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> 	I just got back from out of town and found that the Shuttle is
> up and no one has had a chance to retransmit the audio onto the MBone.

Hmmm... Guess you missed the mbone coverage of the liftoff and subsequent
NASA Select replays (nv and vat).  Either that or there was a critical mrouted 
host between here and Rutgers that failed...

One report from France said it was received well but I don't know about
other sites.  Were you there at liftoff time?

--joe

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Subject: PARC Forum seminar to be transmitted on MBone
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This Thursday, June 24, at 4:00 pm California time, Van Jacobson will
be giving a talk as part of Xerox PARC's weekly "PARC Forum" series of
seminars.  This talk should be of great interest to the rem-conf/mbone
community, as he will be talking about some of the design philosophy
behind tools like vat and wb.  ("wb" is LBL's soon-to-be-released shared
whiteboard program.)

The seminar will be transmitted on the MBone, using PCM audio at a TTL
of 191, and nv video at a TTL of 127.  The wb session will also be
transmitted, at a TTL of 191, for the sake of those folks who are
beta-testing wb for Van.  Please do *not* ask for a copy of wb if you
don't already have one -- we will point the TV camera at the wb display,
so you will be able to see it in action over the video session.
Individual sessions for all three media are being advertised in sd.
For the sake of those without sd, the session parameters are as follows:

  PARC Forum Audio	224.2.248.152, ttl 191, port 53826, id 12617
  PARC Forum Video	224.2.248.152, ttl 127, port 49991
  PARC Forum Whiteboard	224.2.248.152, ttl 191, port 62517

I request that the Radio Free Vat DJs refrain from transmitting RFV from
3 pm to 6 pm, PDT, on Thursday.  Thanks.

Here is the title and abstract for Van's talk, as well as driving directions
to the PARC Auditorium for any of you who are in the SF Bay Area; if you
are in the area and are interested in hearing the talk, I highly recommend
that you attend in person, rather than relying on the "best efforts" of
the MBone.

--------------

LIGHTWEIGHT SESSIONS -- A NEW MODEL FOR MULTIMEDIA NETWORKING

Van Jacobson
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory

Although packet audio and video have been a well-funded research topic
for more than a decade, the user community has been tiny until quite
recently.  The past year has seen an explosive growth in the use of the
Internet for real-time audio and video conferencing and we have reached
a point where every day hundreds of people all over the world use
conferencing tools developed at LBL and PARC to work together over the
"MBone" -- a globe-spanning IP multicast backbone built on top of the
Internet.

There are many reasons for this recent growth but perhaps the major one
is the evolution of a new protocol and application structure, based on
the IP multicast communication model, that we call "Lightweight Sessions".
This talk will briefly describe the Lightweight Sessions model and some
conferencing tools based on it.  Then, after indulging in some wild
speculation as to why this model succeeded when earlier approaches based
on connection-oriented networking and peer-to-peer communication protocols
failed, I will try to convince you that Lightweight Sessions are the wave
of the future and "the one true way".

--------------

Refreshments will be served at 3:45 P.M.

The PARC Auditorium is located at 3333 Coyote Hill Rd. in Palo Alto.  We
are in the Stanford Research Park, between Page Mill Road (west of Foothill
Expressway) and Hillview Avenue.  The easiest way here is to get onto
Page Mill Road, then turn onto Coyote Hill Road.  As you drive up Coyote Hill
past the horse pastures, PARC is the building on the left after you crest the
hill.  Park in the large lot, and enter the auditorium at the upper level of
the building. (The auditorium entrance is located down the stairs and to the
left of the main doors.)


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I appreciate the announcement.  I regret that I will be away and
will not be able to participate (View and Listen).  This topic
is of great interest, thus this post.  Is, or has anyone, captured
this type of traffic for later replay/viewing?

Bob Hott
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> I appreciate the announcement.  I regret that I will be away and
> will not be able to participate (View and Listen).  This topic
> is of great interest, thus this post.  Is, or has anyone, captured
> this type of traffic for later replay/viewing?

There are some simple vat and nv recording tools available with
anonymous ftp from sics.se.  The filename is archive/vat_nv_record.tar.Z.

I will also be gone during this seminar (on vacation) so it would be
nice if someone could make a recording, at least of the vat packets.
Maybe there should be an ftp archive for vat and/or nv recordings?

Anders


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Hi Folks,

	I'm going to try and put IP Multicast into my DECStation
5000/240 running Ultrix 4.3.  I've been told that the MBONE is
going to switch to encapsulated tunneling soon.  Where should I
grab the multicast stuff from?

	Thanks for any pointers.

Later,
George

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[I thought this sounded sort of interesting, particularly the part about the
 full-color, full-motion video via the Internet! - mb]



>Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 09:46:49 -0400
>From: "T. UTSUMI" </PN=TUTSUMI/O=ASSOCIATES.TNET/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@SPRINT.COM>
>To: Multiple recipients of list DEVEL-L <DEVEL-L@auvm.bitnet>
>Subject: "Global Lecture Hall" videoconference for TeleTeaching'93 on 8/21st

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 22, 1993

CONTACT:
TAKESHI UTSUMI
Chairman, GLOSAS/USA
718-939-0928


                           PRELIMINARY ANNOUNCEMENT

                       "Global Lecture Hall" (GLH) (TM)
       (multipoint-to-multipoint multimedia interactive videoconference)
                                      of
         The U.S.-Russian Electronic Distance Education System (EDES)
                              at the occasion of
                                TELETEACHING'93
                               Trondheim, Norway
                                August 21, 1993


                          Videoconference Organizer:
                         Dr. Takeshi Utsumi, President
                   Global University in the U.S.A. (GU/USA)
                 43-23 Colden Street, Flushing, NY 11355-3998
                            Tel: +001-718-939-0928
                              utsumi@columbia.edu

                         <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@>

Date:       Saturday, August 21, 1993
~~~~~
Time:       15:30 to 18:00 (Trondheim time)
~~~~~        9:30 to 12:00 noon (EST/USA)

Range:      North, Central and South America; Western, Northern, Central and
~~~~~~      Eastern Europe, including the Commonwealth of Independent States
            and the Baltic.  (Some areas depend on the satellites we are now
            confirming.)

First 90 minutes:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Panel Discussion:       "Compressed Digital Video, Its Quality and
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~       Applicability to Instructional Television"

      Panelists:  Dr. Lionel V. Baldwin
      ~~~~~~~~~~  President
                  or
                  Mr. Tom McCall
                  National Technological University (NTU)

                  Professor F. Lawrence Bennett, P.E., Head
                  Engineering and Science Management
                  University of Alaska Fairbanks

                  One other panelist from NTU consortium member

      Their video will be uplinked to GSTAR-1 simultaneously to demonstrate
      the effectiveness of the new compressed digital video technology, and
      their composite video in analog will be broadcast to aforementioned
      areas.

                                     - 2 -


Second 60 minutes:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Demonstration of videoconference via Internet by:

            Professor Kevin Jeffay
            Computer Science Department
            University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

      Professor Jeffay will demonstrate full-color, full-motion videoconfer-
      ence through Internet data communication network, without use of
      satellite nor dish antenna.  The video appeared on his computer screen
      will be broadcast via satellite to the aforementioned areas.

Objectives:
~~~~~~~~~~~
(1)   To demonstrate "Global Lecture Hall" (GLH) (TM) videoconference technol-
      ogy for TeleTeaching'93 conference attendees,
(2)   To hold "get-acquainted" face-to-face meeting via satellite between
      American instructors and prospective Russian students of the newly
      established U.S.-Russia EDES,
(3)   To demonstrate the effectiveness of the new compressed digital video
      technology,
(4)   To demonstrate the new technology of videoconferencing via Internet.

Participation:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      If you have a satellite downlink facility and our satellite foot-prints
cover your area, receive our sateite signal.

      Other than participation fee, all participants have to be responsible
for the costs of (1) down/uplinking from/to satellites; (2) telephone call to
a videoconference center in the U.S. for Q&A; and (3) sending fax to the
center for backstage coordination.

      Should you be interested in participating in this event, please contact
Takeshi Utsumi to obtain registration form, instructions for participation and
technical information.
 **********************************************************************
 * Takeshi Utsumi, Ph.D.                                              *
 * President, Global University in the U.S.A. (GU/USA)                *
 * A Divisional Activity of GLOSAS/USA                                *
 * (GLObal Systems Analysis and Simulation Association in the U.S.A.) *
 * 43-23 Colden Street, Flushing, NY 11355-3998, U.S.A.               *
 * Phone: 718-939-0928; EIES: 492 or TAK;                             *
 * SprintMail: TUTSUMI/GU.USA/ASSOCIATES.TNET                         *
 * INTERNET: utsumi@columbia.edu                                      *
 **********************************************************************

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Hi all,

A month or so ago there was some talk about broadcasting a Congressional
Hearing.  The subject of the hearing is to be "The Role of the Government
in Cyberspace".  Those anyone have any info on this?  What are the times?
What is the agenda?  If anyone has some info please let me know.

Thanks

Keith Chong
UCI OAC-NTS




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Hi Keith -

My group is producing those hearings.  They will be on July 26 from
9:30-12 EST (sorry ... early mornings for those of you on the left
coast!).  The hearings will have remote witnesses on Dartnet and
the audio and video will be gatewayed out to the Mbone.  In addition,
testimony will be accessible on-line, custom WWW browers will be
available, and e-mail addresses will be set up for the public to
send comments to.

More details will be forthcoming in a few weeks.

Carl Malamud
Internet Multicasting Service


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> [I thought this sounded sort of interesting, particularly the part about the
>  full-color, full-motion video via the Internet! - mb]
> 
...
> Second 60 minutes:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       Demonstration of videoconference via Internet by:
> 
> 		Professor Kevin Jeffay
> 		Computer Science Department
> 		University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
> 
> 	Professor Jeffay will demonstrate full-color, full-motion videoconfer-
> 	ence through Internet data communication network, without use of
> 	satellite nor dish antenna.  The video appeared on his computer screen
> 	will be broadcast via satellite to the aforementioned areas.
> 

Truth in advertising compels me to respond!  (I also thought this sounded
rather interesting!)  The "full-color, full-motion" part is true (most of the
time) but the "through Internet data communication network" is over-selling
my work.  My group has indeed experimented on the internet with an audio/video
transport protocol we've developed, however, our work really addresses campus-
area networks.

Research in multimedia networking at UNC has primarily involved OS & transport
services for high-bandwidth, live, digital audio and video.  The
particular piece of the digital A/V puzzle that we are working on is how
conferencing solutions can be obtained using readily available commodity
audio and video technology for workstations, and todays' networks based on 
asynchronous communications.

To date, we have demonstrated empirically that it is possible to support most
user requirements for (point-to-point) conferences across small (e.g., campus
area) packet-switched networks without using special network services, even in
the presence of congestion.  Part of the goal here was to establish a baseline
for measuring the benefits and costs of more specialized solutions.  

Our arguably parochial network environment was chosen because we expect that
networks consisting of a heterogeneous mix of conventional LANs, bridges,
routers, and ATM switches will be widely used during the evolution of networks
towards ATM.  Our work attempts to provide a solution that is particularly
applicable if conventional LANs are widely used in the "last mile" to the
desktop.  

As far as the aforementioned demo goes, it's not clear what we'll actually
demonstrate (I was only asked to do this yesterday!) but it most certainly will
not use any significant portion of the internet.

Sorry for all the commotion...


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Subject: new release of IP Multicast software
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 00:50:06 PDT
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The IP Multicast software for SunOS 4.1.x has been updated to correct a
bug in the kernel file ip_mroute.c in the method used to determine if a
multicast packet had arrived on the correct interface such that it should
be forwarded.  There are also changes in the mrouted, mrinfo and map-mbone
programs to report on down or disabled tunnels and interfaces, and `stub'
networks.  With the new mrouted and mrinfo, the version number reported
is "2.0".  These changes were provided by Van Jacobson.

The release now includes all necessary files to add IP Multicast support
to the following SunOS version and architecture combinations:

	SunOS 4.1.1: sun3, sun4, sun4c
	SunOS 4.1.2: sun4c
	SunOS 4.1.3: sun4c, sun4m

The changes to ip_mroute.c and to the mrouted, mrinfo, and map-mbone
programs should port directly to other platforms on which IP Multicast
is supported.

The new release can be fetched from:

	gregorio.stanford.edu: vmtp-ip/ipmulti-sunos41x.tar.Z
or
	parcftp.xerox.com: pub/net-research/ipmulti-sunos41x.tar.Z

It is strongly recommended that all machines running mrouted and attached
to the MBone be upgraded to this latest release as soon as possible, in
order to improve the robustness and manageability of the MBone.

Please report any problems or bugs to mbone@isi.edu.

Steve Deering

P.S.  This release does *not* include a number of significant improvements
that are currently under development -- this time we decided not to release
major new features so close to the date of an IETF.  However, good
progress is being made on some important new capabilities.  Just today,
we successfully tested code that limits the bandwidth allocated to
multicast traffic over a tunnel or physical link, with prioritized
packet dropping when the demand exceeds the rate limit (e.g., video
packets get dropped before audio packets).  We have also begun implementing
multicast tree pruning in mrouted (at last!), and have designed changes
to mrouted to improve the choice of delivery paths (in particular, to
prefer higher-bandwidth delivery paths, rather than just minimum-hop paths).
We are targetting the end of the summer for release of these new features.


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> I've been (slowly) writing a paper on the existing
> ST-II implementations.
 
> At present count, there are 13 different implementations;
> some are based on the two public domain versions, some
> are not.


Hi, I am very interested in ST-II. 

I would appreciate if you could send information about where and how (ftp 
anonymous, e.t.c) can I find the two public domain versions of ST-II 
implementations.
Futhermore, any information about the 13 different implementations will be 
very grateful to me.

                                                     Pantelis                  
                                    
============================================================================

Pantelis Balaouras
Computer Engineering Dept.
University of Patras
Greece.

E-mail: balaoura@cti.gr 

From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jun 24 09:34:47 1993
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Greetings!  Someone was kind enough to give me a pointer to this list
as a place to send the query below.  I would appreciate any leads
to software being used and/or developed to do remote conferencing over
the Internet!  

Many thanks,
_Strata


I have just been asked to do a book proposal on the new generation of
Internet tools, those that depend on global connectivity and fairly
highspeed links.  I will be featuring browsers such as Mosaic, Xwais,
and Cello, and innovative audio/video/multimedia packages such as CUCME,
Netjam, MBONE multicasting, etc.  I am looking for pointers to programs
and applications, preferably in the public domain or shareware, that
are beginning to tap the promise of the Internet-- I would love to do
a chapter on collaboration and visualization tools such as the NCSA tools
and the EVL stuff, for instance.

I am also looking for pointers to the latest work in mobile and nomadic
computing; I have some info already but this is a very good place to ask. :-)

I would appreciate any pointers to new, interesting, or unusual Internet
applications that do browsing, audio or video (especially in realtime
or something quite like it), collaboration or shared work environments
without physical presence, and so on.  You get the idea.   I have a bit
of a list already, but I *know* there are things out there that I haven't
heard of yet.  Even if they're not going to be released until later in 
the year, or are still internal research projects at your university,
if it will be possible to ftp sources or binaries before January of 94
and start messing with it, I want to hear about it!  Here's your chance
at notoriety.  

I am turning in a preliminary list of chapters Friday by 5pm PST; this
will of course mutate wildly over the course of the book (I'm a realist,
even if this is my first book project) but the more things I can mention
the better chance it has of being approved.  I only need a brief synopsys
of your project to include a line or two about it in the proposal.  If
what you are developing has not been announced yet, please let me know
and I will note that, ie. "this tool is being developed at a large university
which shall remain nameless until the announcement in September".

I am not interested in commercial products at this time unless they
represent an extension or enhancement to public domain or shareware tools
(eg., the custom browser clients being developed by WAIS Inc).

Thanks for any info you can give me!  And to forestall the flood of
"I don't have anything to tell you about but really want your list"
letters, I *will* be posting a synopsys of said tools to the groups
who've received this message.

Cheers,
_Strata

M. Strata Rose
Unix & Network Consultant
Virtual City Project
strata@hybrid.com  *|*  strata@apple.com  *|*  strata@eddie.mit.edu



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Hello,
Mark Pfeiffer, the Grass Valley Group guy i work with,
wants to see Van Jacobson's demo today on the MBONE.
Mark is the greatest wealth of digital video info i know.
he is their engineer for codecs and digital transmission systems.
he should be real helpful if you are getting into this stuff.
He's in Washington, his number is 800 462 8457
or 301 680 9793.
let me know if you can help him,
thanks,
vincent 


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Subject: Re: new release of IP Multicast software
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> From:	Robert J Bubon <rjbubon@advtech.uswest.com>
> 
> In release 2.0 README file:
> 
> 	This is a new version of the IP Multicast software for SunOS 4.1.x.
> 	It replaces the previous version named ipmulti-sunos41x.tar.Z, dated
> 	March 26, 1993.  The changes from the previous two versions are
>	described briefly in the accompanying README_ENCAPS_UPGRADE file.
> 
> Steve makes mention of accompanying README_ENCAPS_UPGRADE file.
> This file is missing from the release I picked up at parcftp.xerox.com.

Oops!  That reference should be to the README_FULL_INSTALL file, not
the README_ENCAPS_UPGRADE.  I deleted the latter from the distribution
because this time I did not assemble an upgrade-only tar file, separate
from the full-release tar file.  The referenced information can be found
in the README_FULL_INSTALL file.  Sorry about the confusion.

Steve


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Greetings!  Someone was kind enough to give me a pointer to this list
as a place to send the query below.  I would appreciate any leads
to software being used and/or developed to do remote conferencing over
the Internet!  

Many thanks,
_Strata


I have just been asked to do a book proposal on the new generation of
Internet tools, those that depend on global connectivity and fairly
highspeed links.  I will be featuring browsers such as Mosaic, Xwais,
and Cello, and innovative audio/video/multimedia packages such as CUCME,
Netjam, MBONE multicasting, etc.  I am looking for pointers to programs
and applications, preferably in the public domain or shareware, that
are beginning to tap the promise of the Internet-- I would love to do
a chapter on collaboration and visualization tools such as the NCSA tools
and the EVL stuff, for instance.

I am also looking for pointers to the latest work in mobile and nomadic
computing; I have some info already but this is a very good place to ask. :-)

I would appreciate any pointers to new, interesting, or unusual Internet
applications that do browsing, audio or video (especially in realtime
or something quite like it), collaboration or shared work environments
without physical presence, and so on.  You get the idea.   I have a bit
of a list already, but I *know* there are things out there that I haven't
heard of yet.  Even if they're not going to be released until later in 
the year, or are still internal research projects at your university,
if it will be possible to ftp sources or binaries before January of 94
and start messing with it, I want to hear about it!  Here's your chance
at notoriety.  

I am turning in a preliminary list of chapters Friday by 5pm PST; this
will of course mutate wildly over the course of the book (I'm a realist,
even if this is my first book project) but the more things I can mention
the better chance it has of being approved.  I only need a brief synopsys
of your project to include a line or two about it in the proposal.  If
what you are developing has not been announced yet, please let me know
and I will note that, ie. "this tool is being developed at a large university
which shall remain nameless until the announcement in September".

I am not interested in commercial products at this time unless they
represent an extension or enhancement to public domain or shareware tools
(eg., the custom browser clients being developed by WAIS Inc).

Thanks for any info you can give me!  And to forestall the flood of
"I don't have anything to tell you about but really want your list"
letters, I *will* be posting a synopsys of said tools to the groups
who've received this message.

Cheers,
_Strata

M. Strata Rose
Unix & Network Consultant
Virtual City Project
strata@hybrid.com  *|*  strata@apple.com  *|*  strata@eddie.mit.edu


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> From:	Markku Savela <savela@tel.vtt.fi>
>
> Is ip_mroute.c the only file that has been changed in kernel? I
> already quite recently fetched a new ip_mroute.c (the where
> intructions told to rename the old version to ip_mroute.c.oneway). Is
> it enought if I just compile the utilities mrouted, mrinfo and
> map_mbone?

Markku,

Yes, ip_mroute.c is the only kernel file that changed since the previous
release on March 26, 1993.  If you picked up a copy of ip_mroute.c from
ftp.ee.lbl.gov earlier this month (anytime since May 28), then you have
the same file as the one in the new release.  I don't know about any
instructions that might have accompanied Van's ip_mroute.c.

You should still fetch the new release to get the latest versions of
mrouted/mrinfo/map-mbone.  They are more recent than any previous versions
you may have obtained.

Steve


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I'm forwarding this query to the list since ALMOST EVERY mail receiver
barfed and sent me an error message about "unbalanced ( " in the From: 
line... 

I suggest that "Unix ... Consultant"s refrain from screwing with their 
mailers  or check out the result of their customization(s) BEFORE 
sending mail to the world at large! 


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I will be watching from my office, 700 13th St NW Suite 950
(across the street from Hect's at the 13th st. Metro Center 
subway exit.)   My number is (202) 434-8954.  Unfortunately
I don't expect to get back to the office until 6:00 or so
today, but if you want to join me feel free to leave a message
on my voice mail before 5:00; I'll check from here...

Mike Newell
NASA Advanced Network Applications

> 
> Hello,
> Mark Pfeiffer, the Grass Valley Group guy i work with,
> wants to see Van Jacobson's demo today on the MBONE.
> Mark is the greatest wealth of digital video info i know.
> he is their engineer for codecs and digital transmission systems.
> he should be real helpful if you are getting into this stuff.
> He's in Washington, his number is 800 462 8457
> or 301 680 9793.
> let me know if you can help him,
> thanks,
> vincent 
> 
> 


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Van's talk will be videotaped.  The decision whether or not to replay
the talk over the MBone at a different time of day is up to Van -- I
will ask him for his permission to do so.  I regret that we are not set
up to provide copies of videotapes to the world.

Steve


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  Van's talk will be videotaped.  The decision whether or not to replay
  the talk over the MBone at a different time of day is up to Van -- I
  will ask him for his permission to do so.  I regret that we are not set
  up to provide copies of videotapes to the world.
  
  Steve

We can! we took over campus media production in a coup d'etat last year and
can do video copying AND NTSC/PAL conversion. If you can send us a copy of
the tape...

Subject to that, if people then to send me initial requests, I will compile them
and check prices. Quality will be a bit lower if we have to do NTSC -> PAL ->
NTSC(multiples) but should be tolerable.

We will probably take visa/mastercard. 

So if Van/Steve can agree a distribution permission, I can generate the copies.

-George

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This message covers several observations from PSC's experiences broadcasting
the "Grand Challenges for High Performance Computing" conference in May.

I strongly recommend pre-arranging signal quality monitoring out in the Mbone.
This can be used to "ride" the video BW in real time, such that you don't
stomp on yourself when illness strikes the mbone.  During part of the GCfHPC
broadcast we were getting half dozen ICMP's per packet out, so I cut the video
rate in half to preserve the audio.  I used my own "nvqual" to do the
monitering, but it has some problems....

The monitors should be pre-arranged, because otherwise someone will vote the
BW down to fit through the weakest link instead of raising the local tunnel
threshold.  Putting them near the intercontinental distribution points would
make sense, but they can't consume too much bandwidth by them selves.

The integrated transmission/audience monitoring functions in vat and nv are
somewhat problematic.  Both would benefit from a "broadcast" mode, in
which the transmitter runs as one unix process while the "audience monitor"
runs as another (niced as well).  When you have several hundred viewers, cold
starting or redrawing vat will take painfully long.

Other random items:

Is there another "MBONE audio" meeting planned?

Historicly, we have always received mbone connection requests on the eve of
major events.  I'd like to suggest that we should widely announce a
cut-off date for new connections.  How about July 2nd?

About backup tunnels (from Casner):
>You raise a good point.  As I think about it further, even a simple
>triangle backup can cause trouble:
>
>              1
>        A --------- B
>          \       /
>           \     /
>          3 \   /1
>             \ /
>              C
>
>If AB and BC are the primary tunnels at metric 1, and AC is a backup
>tunnel at metric 3, then while everything is up, this collection
>represents a load of 1 tunnel to A.  But if the BC link goes down,
>then A will have to forward traffic over both AB and AC, raising the
>load on A to 2.  If A already has a full load of other tunnels, this
>could cause overload.

I suggest solutions for three cases: In the case where "A" is a top level
node, solve the problem by quality monitoring at C and drop the broadcast
bandwidth when B-C fails.  If we use Casner's map, this means something like
monitoring at Cornell, JVNC and SESQUInet, each with backup tunnels to the
more distant MAE-east level node.  (In this case A and B are really a little
cloud).

If C is part of the "mbone core" it is quite likely that C will receive the
signal "backfeed" from further down in the (normal) tree.  Since the ratio of
active to inactive tunnels drops as you get further down the path, this
"backfeeding" is less likely to be a problem.

Finally in the case where B is the root of some otherwise singly connected
tree (say within one regional), I'd suggest a threshold on the A-C tunnel
such that it doesn't pass video.  This  has the advantage that it damps
"counting to infinity" and routing churn.

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Could some kind soul please point me to info and/or ftp sites for
the following tools:

VAT, NV, NEVOT, IVS, SD

I have some preliminary info on VAT and NV, though I could also use Van
Jacobsen's email address, couldn't get it with netfind, alas.

Many thanks,
_Strata

PS- I just send an add request to rem-conf-request today; is there
also a FAQ someone could forward to me?  Perhaps I will get one
automagically if there is a listserv handling the list, but perhaps
not, too.

M. Strata Rose
Unix & Network Consultant
Virtual City Project
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See venera.isi.edu:mbone/faq.txt

-- Steve
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    Could some kind soul please point me to info and/or ftp sites for
    the following tools:

    VAT, NV, NEVOT, IVS, SD

How about also info on Maven and CU-SeeMe for us Mac users? :-)

Jack Drescher, were you planning to start a catalog of info on
the various tools?  If you have the catalog, here would be a good
time to use it.  If not, here would be a good time to start it!

Thanks,
Phill

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> From: Phill Gross <pgross@ans.net>
> Content-Length: 399
> 
> 
>     Could some kind soul please point me to info and/or ftp sites for
>     the following tools:
> 
>     VAT, NV, NEVOT, IVS, SD
> 
> How about also info on Maven and CU-SeeMe for us Mac users? :-)
> 
> Jack Drescher, were you planning to start a catalog of info on
> the various tools?  If you have the catalog, here would be a good
> time to use it.  If not, here would be a good time to start it!
> 

Phill, et al, 

I'm planning to provide a collection of remote conferencing related 
information including IETFware, freeware, PDware, shareware, and 
commercially available software and hardware as part of the new archive
for rem-conf. Since our "new" nic is up and running, I should have the stuff
I already have re-organized in about a week (or so...).

Look for more information here at the end of next week.


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I'll reply on behalf of Jack...

Last December or so, we had planned on compiling and maintaining 
a catalog of teleconferencing products. At that time, Chris Adie 
announced his Survey of Distributed Multimedia Research, Standards 
and Products. The Products section of his survey covered all of
the current tools, and we decided it would not be useful to just
duplicate his efforts.  What we did decide was to use the products
section of his survey as the basis of the catalog in the future,
waiting a few months and then checking the currnet status of the 
listed products and incorporating any new ones. I am just starting 
to do that, hopefully putting out a newer catalog soon.

In the meantime, Chris' survey is available from our ftp server,
ftp.concert.net as doc/mmsurvey.ps or doc/mmsurvey.txt.

Tom

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> I used my own "nvqual" to do the monitering, but it has some problems....

I'd like more on this ....

What do you recommend othere to use ?
What were the problems ?
Any fixes in hand ?

% You raise a good point.  As I think about it further, even a simple
% triangle backup can cause trouble:
%               1
%          A ------ B
%            \     /
%           3 \   /1
%              \ /
%               C
% 
% If AB and BC are the primary tunnels at metric 1, and AC is a backup
% tunnel at metric 3, then while everything is up, this collection
% represents a load of 1 tunnel to A.  But if the BC link goes down,
% then A will have to forward traffic over both AB and AC, raising the
% load on A to 2.  If A already has a full load of other tunnels, this
% could cause overload.

> I suggest solutions for three cases: In the case where "A" is a top level
> node,

I've not come across that term .... is it well defined ?

> solve the problem by quality monitoring at C and drop the broadcast
> bandwidth when B-C fails.

That seems a somewhat drastic step just because one link goes down !

> If C is part of the "mbone core"

Is that well defined ?

> it is quite likely that C will receive the signal "backfeed" from further
> down in the (normal) tree.

I can't see why ... it will get a metric 3 feed from A.

> Since the ratio of active to inactive tunnels drops as you get further down
> the path,

Why is that ?

> this "backfeeding" is less likely to be a problem.

Err -- I'd have thought that the maximum number of possible "extra" tunnels
that could come into use would increase, making the problem worse ....

> Finally in the case where B is the root of some otherwise singly connected
> tree (say within one regional), I'd suggest a threshold on the A-C tunnel
> such that it doesn't pass video.  This  has the advantage that it damps
> "counting to infinity" and routing churn.

I can't see the relevance of B being a local root is ...


In my original (private -- you probably didn't see it) message to Steve, the
question I raised was "how many backup channels can a router have ?".

Is it a fixed number, or, more likely, some % of the active channels ?

My feeling is that we should design backups into the network.
If the VJ FO count for a node is "6-7", should we have up to 6 normally active
tunnels, and a maximum tunnel count of 7 (or could we manage 8) ?


PS: I've just set up a sun3 as an mrouted (I'm thinking of making it a bit like
    Xkernel) and have no VJ FO # for it. Can I measure it using tcpdump ?
    Look at the timestamps of the incoming packet and the outgoing packets ?
    With ip tunnel arriving from external to local1 (ELC) which relays to the
    LAN (using true multicast) and IP tunnels to clients 1-3. local2 (3/140)
    receives the LAN multicast and sends it on to clients 4-6.
    I see something like:

	0.000000 external -> local1
        0.000382 local1 -> LAN multicast
	0.000626 local1 -> client1
	0.000869 local1 -> client2
	0.001110 local1 -> client3
	0.002100 local2 -> client4
	0.003570 local2 -> clinet5
	0.005035 local2 -> client6

    i.e. an ELC can send out packets every 240us, and a sun3/60 every 1270us
    (all figures +/- 20% or so !!)

    These figures appears somewhat lower than Van's -- what have I missed ?
    I assume an ELC is an "SS2" (in fact somewhat less powerful ?), which
    Van has down as 900us. I would expect the interval between the incoming
    packet's arrival time and the first outgoing packet might be greater than
    the interval between subsequent outgoing packets (was this taken into
    account ?)

    I see intervals like: ELC:  360,  240,  240,  240
                         3/60: 1800, 1200, 1200, 1200

    So, with a lot of rounding, it's about half a unit to receive the packet,
    and one unit to xmit each packet.
    The figure for "1 ms/pkt" was 5 channels, so if an ELC manages about 4
    pkts/ms, that makes it about 20 channels ! This would mean that none of
    the existing "bootenecks" are CPU limited.
    This shows that a 3/140 can manage 3.5 tunnels ...

    What have I missed / misinterpreted ?

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    In the meantime, Chris' survey is available from our ftp server,
    ftp.concert.net as doc/mmsurvey.ps or doc/mmsurvey.txt.

Tom,

Thanks.  Its a good report.

But I didn't see Maven listed.  Does anyone have info on the
latest version of Maven?

THanks,
Phill

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At  6:17 PM 93/6/25 -0500, Phill Gross wrote:
>    In the meantime, Chris' survey is available from our ftp server,
>    ftp.concert.net as doc/mmsurvey.ps or doc/mmsurvey.txt.
>
>Tom,
>
>Thanks.  Its a good report.
>
>But I didn't see Maven listed.  Does anyone have info on the
>latest version of Maven?

1.0 final will go out as soon as I find this last memory leak. It won't run
on anything smaller than a 68030-25 machine, and really wants a
Centris/Quadra, but I hope Sound Manager 3.0 fixes enough of the
inefficiencies in Apple's audio driver to remove that restriction.

/cvk


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A version compiled for Silicon Graphics IRIX 4.0.x releases is available
via anonymous FTP from ftp.sgi.com in the /sgi/ipmcast directory.  

The directory contains the mrouted, mrinfo and map-mbone binaries and sources,
kernel object files for multicast routing, and Van's in_pcb changes to allow 
multiple multicast listeners.  See the README for details. 





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Sorry that I left out the phone numbers:

Shure: US 1-800-44-SHURE
       Europe 49-7131-83221
       Internationally 708-866-2200

Coherent: US 703-729-6400
	  UK 011-44-235-524400

Fengmin

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I am just setting up for desktop videoconferencing and thought I would
start out on Solaris 2.2 since we will have to go that way eventually.
Now I find out that the VideoPix board is not supported there.  Does
anyone have an answer?  Is there an alternative board?  Does someone
have a driver?

Graham

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>From: lindner@mudhoney.unet.umn.edu (Paul Lindner)
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>Sorry for all the grief that one little (Big?!) postscript file has
>caused.  I've tracked the problem down to an included EPS file that
>used CRs instead of LFs for it's line terminators.
>
>The updated and fixed file is available as GopherGuide_Jun15b.ps on
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>From: Fengmin Gong <gong@concert.net>
>Subject: Echo Canceler Info - Phone numbers
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>Sorry that I left out the phone numbers:
>
>Shure: US 1-800-44-SHURE
>       Europe 49-7131-83221
>       Internationally 708-866-2200
>
>Coherent: US 703-729-6400
>	  UK 011-44-235-524400
>
>Fengmin
>
>


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>From: "ZotMail-Mail and Records Services" <ZOTMAIL@uci.edu>
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>Date: Mon, 28 Jun 93 07:41:12 -0700
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>                                                       June 23, 1993
>
>ALL FACULTY AND STAFF
>RE:  Dependent Care Issues
>
>
>Employees with children or elders to care for or support face the
>daily challenge of balancing their responsibilities at home with
>those at work.  UCI is committed to doing everything reasonable and
>affordable to help its employees meet that challenge.  With that in
>mind, the following information outlines resources which are
>available on campus in the form of direct service or referral
>assistance.
>
>For example, UCI has 443 child care spaces, the largest number on
>any UC campus.  Five of the child care centers on the campus are
>available for the children of UCI faculty and staff, as well as for
>the children of students.  The Children's Center and the Early
>Childhood Education Center serve children ages 2 1/2 to 5 years. 
>There are presently openings at both of these centers.  The
>Infant/Toddler Center serves children ages 3 months to 30 months,
>but there is at this time a long waiting list.  All three of these
>facilities provide full-day, year-round care.  In addition, the
>Verano Preschool offers a half-day program during the academic year
>for children 2 1/2 to 5 years, and there is no waiting list.  UCI
>Child Care Center fees are competitive with charges for comparable
>services in the community, and they offer one special benefit
>unavailable elsewhere - proximity to your child in the event of
>emergency.  For further information about these centers, please
>call 725-2100.
>
>In addition, University Montessori School of Irvine operates a
>center on campus, providing care for children ages 3 months through
>Grade 1.  The Center operates year-round and provides full-time and
>part-time care.  They may be reached at 854-6030.
>
>Another increasingly-important matter is elder care.  As life
>expectancy expands, it is often the case that a faculty or staff
>member will have a parent or other aged relative with special-care
>needs.  In some cases, the older individual may now be living with
>the employee.  In other cases, the individual is living elsewhere,
>perhaps even in another state,  In either instance, there are
>services available to you as a UCI employee.  For example, the
>Senior Care Options Program, located at UCI Medical Center,
>provides an excellent internal and external referral service, with
>staff having knowledge of a wide range of programs within Orange
>County.  The telephone number is 456-6094.  Referral sources are
>also available through the Faculty and Staff Assistance Program on
>campus at 856-8355.
>
>In addition, a Health Assessment Program for Seniors is located at
>the Medical Center.  This service makes use of Medical Center
>physicians for diagnosis and, if needed, treatment.  All services
>are provided for a reasonable fee, and all physicians in the
>program accept both Medicare assignment and private insurance.  The
>telephone number is 456-6094.
>
>At UCI, seminars and information exchanges are conducted
>periodically to assist employees seeking information about child
>and elder care.  As an example, University Extension offers a
>twice-yearly course during after-work hours for elder-care-givers. 
>The course is designed to meet the needs of the working care-giver,
>and reactions of participants have been highly favorable.  It meets
>once a week for six weeks.  Those interested in learning more about
>it should contact Nancy Warzer at 856-5990.  Watch for
>announcements about other informational programs, as well.
>
>Following adoption of the Family Rights Act of 1991, the University
>modified key personnel policies to provide more flexible leave
>opportunities for employees with family responsibilities.  Further,
>in an effort to offer greater flexibility to employees as well as
>to reduce its budget, the University has expanded the advantages
>and benefits for individuals in partial-year appointments and has
>instituted the Voluntary Time Reduction Incentive Program (TRIP).
>
>I encourage managers and supervisors to be as accommodating as they
>reasonably can to work-scheduling requests from employees in
>connection with family issues.  The Human Resources department can
>provide guidance on matters related to work schedule adjustments. 
>It is important to remember, however, that the needs of the
>department and of the campus must be met.
>
>I hope this information will be helpful and that you will join me
>in continuing to look for ways to make UCI a supportive place to
>work for people with family obligations.
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>
>
>                                   L. Dennis Smith 
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While attending Gigabit Jamboree in DC I also toured the ITCA'93
exhibition floor.  Per my conversation with Henning, the following
info on echo cancelers may be of interest to the list:

I was able to find two vendors with products currently most suitable
(but not ideal) for desktop video conferencing, Coherent and Shure.
All products support 2-wire interface for phone lines and 4-wire
interface for traditional video codecs.  They have built-in power
amps for speakers and have connectors for multiple MICs.  There is
also automaic ambient noise level detection and audio level control.
Most of all, they all use DSP-based adaptive echo cancellation to
allow full-duplex conversation.

Main differences among products come from the degree of cancellation
(e.g., echo return loss enforcement (ERLE) in dB, the higher the better),
the power amps output level, maximum number of MICs supported, and
auxiliary amps for VCR, tape recorder.

Here is a list of the products, feature highlights, quoted price, and
contact phone numbers:

--
Shure ST4300
adaptive acoustic echo canceler: ERLE > 20 dB (with nonlinear processing
disabled)
adaptive line echo canceler: ERLE > 30 dB (with nonlinear processing
disabled)
4-wire audio bandwidth: 300Hz-4 KHz or 50Hz-7KHz selectable
price: $3995

--
Coherent Voicecrafter 2000
acoustic echo return loss (AERL) 0dB minimum
acoustic echo return loss        65dB minimum, center clipper enabled 
Enforcement (AERLE) with input level of -10dBm and 6dB ERL (I don't
know what these conditions mean yet, please call Coherent for any
questions)
audio bandwidth: 200Hz-3400Hz or 200Hz-7100Hz selectable
price: $6400-$10,000 depending on configuration

--
Coherent Voicecrafter 2800
price: $6805-$7995 depending on configuration

--
Coherent Voicecrafter 3000
soon to be available on market
price: $3995

Fengmin

--
Fengmin Gong			E-mail: gong@concert.net
Network Research Engineer	Phone:  919 248-9214
MCNC Center for Communications  FAX:    919 248-1405

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>Date: Mon, 28 Jun 93 10:46:46 EDT
>From: gc@maeva.ccd.bnl.gov (Graham Campbell)
>To: rem-conf@es.net
>Subject: Solaris 2.2
>
>I am just setting up for desktop videoconferencing and thought I would
>start out on Solaris 2.2 since we will have to go that way eventually.
>Now I find out that the VideoPix board is not supported there.  Does
>anyone have an answer?  Is there an alternative board?  Does someone
>have a driver?
>
>Graham
>
>


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							   TSMCFP94.1tx
	      C O N F E R E N C E   A N N O U N C E M E N T
       Second International Conference on Telecommunication Systems
			Modelling and Analysis
		   March 24-27, 1994 Nashville, TN

SPONSORED BY:
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The Second International Conference on Telecommunication Systems Modelling and
Analysis will be held in Nashville, Tennessee on March 24-27, 1994.  With a few
improvements, the same basic format as the 1993 conference will be used.  The
general idea is to build on the success of the first conference by limiting the
number of participants, specialization of topics, presenting new problems and
problem areas, encouraging the exchange of ideas and generally advancing the
state of the art.

The conference will be divided into segments with each segment devoted to a
specific topic.  This will allow for little conflict between segments.	All
papers will be screened rigorously to ensure the quality of presentations.  The
number of participants will be limited in order to encourage interaction during
and after the formal presentations.  In response to suggestions made by last
year's participants, we are including both social and cultural activities in
the 1994 agenda.

Lead Speakers for the conference include:

 1. Luigi Fratta, "Deflection Routing Network Architecture"

 2. Michel Minoux, "Multicommodity Network Flows and Their Application in
		    Telecommunication Networks"

 3. Patrick Reilly, "Wireless LEOS Communications Networks: An Operations
		     Researcher's Field of Dreams"

 4. Ward Whitt, "Computing the Time-Dependent Distribution of the Workload in
		 Nonstationary Single-Server Queues"

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 Jerome Chifflet    - CNET		     Guy Pujolle	- MASI			  \hfill &\cr
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 Bezalel Gavish     - Vanderbilt U.*	     David Simchi-Levi	- Columbia U.		  \hfill &\cr
 Andre Girard	    - INRS-Telecom	     Edward A. Sykes	- U. of Virginia  \hfill &\cr
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 Richard Harris     - Royal Melbourn IoT.    Dong-wan Tcha	- KAIST 		  \hfill &\cr
 Konosuke Kawashima - NTT		     Ward Whitt 	- AT&T			 \hfill &\cr
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Listed below are some of the potential segments:

- Topological Design and Network Configuration Problems
- Design and Analysis of Local Access Networks and Outside Plant Problems
- Low Earth Orbit Satellite communication systems
- Time Dependent Expansion of Telecommunication Systems
- Designing Networks for Reliability and Availability
- Network Design Problems in Gigabit and Terabit Networks
- Global Network Interconnection Issues
- Quantitative Methods in Network Management
- Interconnection of Local Area Networks
- Pricing and Economic Analysis of Telecommunications and its Impact
- Performance Evaluation of Telecommunication Systems
- Distributed Computing and Distributed Data Bases
- Cellular Systems and PCS Modelling and Configuration

The Program Committee intention is to limit the number of parallel sessions to
two.  The conference is scheduled over a weekend so as to reduce teaching
conflicts for academic participants and to take advantage of weekend hotel
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special rates will be distributed at a later date.  Due to the limit on the
number of participants, early registration is recommended.  To ensure your
participation, please use the following steps:

1.  Send to Bezalel Gavish (address below) by July 20, 1993, a paper, or titles
    and abstracts for potential presentations to be considered for the
    conference.  Sending more than one abstract is encouraged, enabling the
    Program Committee to have a wider choice in terms of assigning talks to
    segments.  Use E-mail to expedite the submission of titles and abstracts.

2.  Use the registration form on the next page to preregister for the
    conference.  let us also know if you would like to have a formal duty
    during the conference as:  a paper presenter, a session chair, or a
    discussant.

3.  You will be notified by September 15, 1993, which papers have been selected
    for the conference.  November 15, 1993, is the deadline for sending a
    complete paper.  The paper will go through a quick review process and
    feedback will be sent back by January 1, 1994.  A final version of the
    paper is expected by February 15, 1994.  Participants will receive copies
    of the collection of papers to be presented.  All papers submitted to the
    conference will be considered for publication in the "Telecommunication
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We look forward to a very successful conference.

Sincerely yours,
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Why do you suppose these things are still so incredibly expensive?  Is it
simply that the market for digital echo cancellers is small and affluent, or is
there really enough circuitry in one of these things to warrant a price greater
than that of a Ford Tempo?  Even the consumer speakerphones which claim to have
true echo cancellation sell for $1100 or more.  By now, I would expect it to be
a one chip solution.  I have this feeling that the industry is not anxious for
just anyone to have this technology yet.

Dan Swinehart

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dan_swinehart.parc@xerox.com wrote in a previous message:
>
>
>Why do you suppose these things are still so incredibly expensive?  Is it
>simply that the market for digital echo cancellers is small and affluent, or is
>there really enough circuitry in one of these things to warrant a price greater
>than that of a Ford Tempo?  Even the consumer speakerphones which claim to have
>true echo cancellation sell for $1100 or more.  By now, I would expect it to be
>a one chip solution.  I have this feeling that the industry is not anxious for
>just anyone to have this technology yet.
>
>Dan Swinehart
>

I found it equally hard to believe but there are a few things that I believe
contributed to this situation:

(1) These products indeed contain many features that are not needed for
    packet video conferencing, e.g. all-analog interfaces, multiple MICs,
    and high-power amps.  Every bit probably costs more than its worth 
    and it adds up.
(2) Vendors probably compare these boxes with the overall cost of the
    conventional video conferencing systems, i.e., using video codecs
    for circuit switched networks, using leased lines from telco, etc.
    At least that seems to be what they made these boxes for and the
    price does not loook that ridiculous any more.
(3) And you are right about the market factor.  I asked one rep at the
    show about an all-digital and cheaper solution, he said it's up
    to the packet video people to create the demand.

I have heard that there are chip set available for echo control and I am
looking into putting my own solution together.

Fengmin

    

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NEC has a product called "VoicePoint" that's essentially a echo-cancelling 
speakerphone that plugs in as a handset.  We took one apart and found 
that it has very few components and a simple 2 layer PC board.  It 
retails for $1200.  When it detects another VoicePoint at the other 
end it allows full-duplex teleconferencing.  We have one, and it 
works ok (just ok, not great).

lance

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    Date: Mon, 28 Jun 93 10:46:46 EDT
    From: gc@maeva.ccd.bnl.gov (Graham Campbell)
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    To: rem-conf@es.net
    Subject: Solaris 2.2
    
    I am just setting up for desktop videoconferencing and thought I would
    start out on Solaris 2.2 since we will have to go that way eventually.
    Now I find out that the VideoPix board is not supported there.  Does
    anyone have an answer?  Is there an alternative board?  Does someone
    have a driver?
    
    Graham
    
None of the tools (vat, nv etc) run under Solaris 2.2 either.

We bought an LX for this purpose 6 months ago. After having it sit idle
for 6 months we've decided to sell it and buy an IPC or IPX and run
SunOS4.1. Solaris 2.2 is the biggest mistake Sun ever made.

Bob.


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							   TSMCFP94.1tx
	      C O N F E R E N C E   A N N O U N C E M E N T
       Second International Conference on Telecommunication Systems
			Modelling and Analysis
		   March 24-27, 1994 Nashville, TN

SPONSORED BY:
	   ^AT&T		      ^Bell South
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The Second International Conference on Telecommunication Systems Modelling and
Analysis will be held in Nashville, Tennessee on March 24-27, 1994.  With a few
improvements, the same basic format as the 1993 conference will be used.  The
general idea is to build on the success of the first conference by limiting the
number of participants, specialization of topics, presenting new problems and
problem areas, encouraging the exchange of ideas and generally advancing the
state of the art.

The conference will be divided into segments with each segment devoted to a
specific topic.  This will allow for little conflict between segments.	All
papers will be screened rigorously to ensure the quality of presentations.  The
number of participants will be limited in order to encourage interaction during
and after the formal presentations.  In response to suggestions made by last
year's participants, we are including both social and cultural activities in
the 1994 agenda.

Lead Speakers for the conference include:

 1. Luigi Fratta, "Deflection Routing Network Architecture"

 2. Michel Minoux, "Multicommodity Network Flows and Their Application in
		    Telecommunication Networks"

 3. Patrick Reilly, "Wireless LEOS Communications Networks: An Operations
		     Researcher's Field of Dreams"

 4. Ward Whitt, "Computing the Time-Dependent Distribution of the Workload in
		 Nonstationary Single-Server Queues"

The Program Committee members:

 Jerome Chifflet    - CNET		     Guy Pujolle	- MASI			  \hfill &\cr
 Imrich Chlamtac    - UMass Amherst	     William W. Sharkey - Bellcore		  \hfill &\cr
 Bezalel Gavish     - Vanderbilt U.*	     David Simchi-Levi	- Columbia U.		  \hfill &\cr
 Andre Girard	    - INRS-Telecom	     Edward A. Sykes	- U. of Virginia  \hfill &\cr
 Roch Guerin	    - IBM		     Yutaka Takahashi	- Kyoto U.		  \hfill &\cr
 Richard Harris     - Royal Melbourn IoT.    Dong-wan Tcha	- KAIST 		  \hfill &\cr
 Konosuke Kawashima - NTT		     Ward Whitt 	- AT&T			 \hfill &\cr
 Raif Onvural	    - IBM		     James Yan		- BNR			  \hfill &\cr

Listed below are some of the potential segments:

- Topological Design and Network Configuration Problems
- Design and Analysis of Local Access Networks and Outside Plant Problems
- Low Earth Orbit Satellite communication systems
- Time Dependent Expansion of Telecommunication Systems
- Designing Networks for Reliability and Availability
- Network Design Problems in Gigabit and Terabit Networks
- Global Network Interconnection Issues
- Quantitative Methods in Network Management
- Interconnection of Local Area Networks
- Pricing and Economic Analysis of Telecommunications and its Impact
- Performance Evaluation of Telecommunication Systems
- Distributed Computing and Distributed Data Bases
- Cellular Systems and PCS Modelling and Configuration

The Program Committee intention is to limit the number of parallel sessions to
two.  The conference is scheduled over a weekend so as to reduce teaching
conflicts for academic participants and to take advantage of weekend hotel
rates and Saturday overnight-stay airfare rates.  Information regarding the
special rates will be distributed at a later date.  Due to the limit on the
number of participants, early registration is recommended.  To ensure your
participation, please use the following steps:

1.  Send to Bezalel Gavish (address below) by July 20, 1993, a paper, or titles
    and abstracts for potential presentations to be considered for the
    conference.  Sending more than one abstract is encouraged, enabling the
    Program Committee to have a wider choice in terms of assigning talks to
    segments.  Use E-mail to expedite the submission of titles and abstracts.

2.  Use the registration form on the next page to preregister for the
    conference.  let us also know if you would like to have a formal duty
    during the conference as:  a paper presenter, a session chair, or a
    discussant.

3.  You will be notified by September 15, 1993, which papers have been selected
    for the conference.  November 15, 1993, is the deadline for sending a
    complete paper.  The paper will go through a quick review process and
    feedback will be sent back by January 1, 1994.  A final version of the
    paper is expected by February 15, 1994.  Participants will receive copies
    of the collection of papers to be presented.  All papers submitted to the
    conference will be considered for publication in the "Telecommunication
    Systems" journal.

We look forward to a very successful conference.

Sincerely yours,
			       BITNET address: GAVISHB@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
				     INTERNET: GAVISHB@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU
Bezalel Gavish				Phone: (615) 322-3659
					  FAX: (615) 343-7177

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	Second International Conference on Telecommunication Systems
			 Modelling and Analysis
			   REGISTRATION FORM	       Date: __________________
Location: Nashville, TN
   Dates: March 24, 1994 (afternoon) to March 27, 1994

       Name: ________________________________________ Title: __________________

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REGISTRATION RATES and DEADLINES

			  Last Applicable   Participant Type
			       Date	    Academic  Industry
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   Pre-registration	  Sept. 1, 1993      $ 350     $ 450
   Registration 	  Jan. 1, 1994	     $ 450     $ 650
   On Site Registration 	**	     $ 595     $ 895
** We reserve the right to invoke this rate after September 1, 1993
   when the capacity limit has been reached.

Mail your registration form and check to:

	       Professor Bezalel Gavish
	       Owen Graduate School of Management
	       Vanderbilt University
	       401 21st Avenue, South
	       Nashville, TN 37203, USA

The check should be addressed to:
	       2-nd Int. Telecomm Systems Conference

Refund Policy: Full refund, for requests received by September 1, 1993.
	       Half refund, for requests received by February 15, 1994.
	       No refund after February 15, 1994.



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Owen Graduate School of Management
Vanderbilt University
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You might want to hang on for a few days, while in the local Sun office
this afternoon, I overheard a conversation betwix two Sun salesfolk
referencing a Wed (day after tomorrow) 4.1.3 on Tsunami announcement.

Something similar was in Unigram last Friday.

Jim

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a lot of people o nthis list work on video o nthe internet - therte is
also the work on image transfer...

let me refer people again to:
Author(s): Charles J. Turner, Larry L. Peterson
Title    : Image Transfer: An End to End Design
Journal  : Sigcomm92
Institute: ACM 
City     : Baltimore USA
Author(s): Charles J. Turner, Larry L. Peterson
Title    : Image Transfer: An End to End Design
Journal  : Sigcomm92
Institute: ACM 
City     : Baltimore USA

which is an excellent paper about just how to do image transfer ...

it seems to me that people havnt considered efficient (e.g. infinite
window/nack based) protocols over ip multicast to do thinsg like
satellite image dissemination enough here yet...

also note you could do some cute applciation level routing (e.g.
everyone running imm could act as an imm relay just like everyone
running packet radio at a single time is also a packet radio router)
exchaning metrics/distance/bandwidth, so that retransmits are done
between nearest sites holding missing blocks in an image and not across
the whole mbone....unless a certain threshold of nacks is exceeded...

anyhow back to video (a different problem altogther...)
jon

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>> None of the tools (vat, nv etc) run under Solaris 2.2 either.
>> 
>> We bought an LX for this purpose 6 months ago. After having it sit idle
>> for 6 months we've decided to sell it and buy an IPC or IPX and run
>> SunOS4.1. Solaris 2.2 is the biggest mistake Sun ever made.

Hmmm,

Since Solaris 2.2 is just out I'm wondering if anyone has done full
testing on it.  The documentation says that most applications compiled
under SunOS 4.1.3 will run under Solaris 2.2 (this was NOT true under
Solaris 2.1).

True this won't help the lack of a VideoPix driver.

If anyone has tried 4.1.3 compiled applications under the just released
Solaris 2.2 please let me know the results.
	Paul Hyder NCAR

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A number of people have asked recently about using "vat" and some of the
other conferencing programs on machines running Solaris 2.x.  The
statically linked SunOS 4.x "vat" binary that Van distributes will not
run in Solaris 2.1 or 2.2.  SunOS 4.x binaries will run in Solaris 2.1
and 2.2, but only if they are dynamically linked.

But Van has built a dynamically linked version of "vat" that we have
been running under Solaris 2.2, the most recent release of Solaris 2.
If he includes a dynamically linked version in his future distributions
of "vat", they should run in Solaris 2.2 and subsequent releases.

For those of you who can't wait, we have put together a binary
re-distribution that includes binaries for "vat", "sd" and "nv" which
run in Solaris 2.2.  These binaries will also run in Solaris 2.1,
however, you will need to install a kernel patch.

This distribution is available via anonymous FTP from
"playground.sun.com" in "pub/solaris2/vat-dist.tar.Z".  Details of how
to install and run the programs are in a README file contained in the
distribution.

Bob Gilligan - Bob.Gilligan@Eng.Sun.COM

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Subject: Re: new release of IP Multicast software
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The IP multicast distribution for SunOS 4.1.x on gregorio.stanford.edu and
parcftp.xerox.com has been updated again, with the following minor
changes:

	- kernel .o files for 4.1.3 on the "sun4" architecture have been
	  added to the distribution (thanks to Steve Casner).

	- the mrouted man page, mrouted.8, has been updated to include
	  information on the "srcrt" keyword that may be used with tunnel
	  commands in /etc/mrouted.conf, and the "-c config_file" command
	  line option that may be used to designate an alternative
	  mrouted.conf file (thanks to Andy Cherenson).

Steve Deering


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To small defense-expenditure dependent business in California, New Mexico,
and Washington, DC:

At the present time, large organizations are experimenting with 
teleconferencing, networking, and groupware.  Smaller organizations 
do not have the resources nor the infrastructure to use this new 
technology.  Small business will face a serious disadvantage in the 
near future as larger corporations develop efficient methods of 
working through teleconferencing and groupware.  It is virtually 
impossible for a small business to acess the ISDN lines and other 
equipment required for this service.  To give small business a 
competitive edge, a communication infrastructure can be built to 
allow small organizations to communicate rapidly and with nearly 
the ease of face to face meetings.  

The Universities of California and New Mexico with participation 
from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and other suppliers, 
are submitting a proposal to the Advanced Research Projects Agency 
(ARPA) under the Technology Reinvestment Project (TRP) to fund a 
project to provide small, defense-expenditure dependent business 
with access to a national community of research scientists and 
engineers via video teleconferencing and groupware.  These 
organizations would have available, through their ethernet capable 
personal computers or workstations, videoconferencing, collaborative 
work tools, databases, multimedia mail, and bulletin boards.  
Databases with the participants addresses and phone numbers, areas 
of expertise and background of participants will be available.  We 
would provide training and support for the use of the equipment.  

If your are interested in participating in this project, please let me 
know as soon as possible, preferably by July 2, 1993 to Dr. Meera 
Blattner, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, L-540, P.O. Box 
808, Livermore, CA, 94551, or contact me by e-mail 
(blattner@llnl.gov), or call me at (510) 422-3503.  We will fax you 
the necessary forms and other information required.  PLEASE NOTE THAT
THIS PROJECT IS LIMITED TO CALIFORNIA, NEW MEXICO, AND WASHINGTON, DC.


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From: dlh@insoft1.insoft.com (Daniel L. Harple)
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hello,

a few short inputs-
our product, communique! runs under 4.x and solaris 2.x with videopix
support.  as paul states, don't count on binary compatibility mode to
help you out with 2.2 issues.  btw, we also support several other boards
on 4.x, solaris, and HP.  our digital vcr product is also supported in
the same environments.

thanks,
dan harple
insoft, inc.

> From es.net!rem-conf-request@netcomsv.netcom.com Tue Jun 29 15:07:51 1993
> To: rem-conf@es.net
> Subject: Re: Solaris 2.2
> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 09:02:48 -0600
> From: niwot.scd.ucar.EDU!hyder@netcomsv.netcom.com
> Content-Length: 696
> 
> >> None of the tools (vat, nv etc) run under Solaris 2.2 either.
> >> 
> >> We bought an LX for this purpose 6 months ago. After having it sit idle
> >> for 6 months we've decided to sell it and buy an IPC or IPX and run
> >> SunOS4.1. Solaris 2.2 is the biggest mistake Sun ever made.
> 
> Hmmm,
> 
> Since Solaris 2.2 is just out I'm wondering if anyone has done full
> testing on it.  The documentation says that most applications compiled
> under SunOS 4.1.3 will run under Solaris 2.2 (this was NOT true under
> Solaris 2.1).
> 
> True this won't help the lack of a VideoPix driver.
> 
> If anyone has tried 4.1.3 compiled applications under the just released
> Solaris 2.2 please let me know the results.
> 	Paul Hyder NCAR
> 
 
Daniel L. Harple                        Phone: (717) 730-9501    
InSoft, Inc.                            FAX  : (717) 730-9504    
                                        email:  dlh@insoft.com   

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Cable & Wireless are broadcasting their shareholders AGM on BBC
(UK Public Bcast TV, sort of)

does anyone think it a fair experiemnt to re-cast it on the mbone?

[i believe it might be a bit low on relevence, personally, and
possibly against permissable use etc, but socio-experimentally
innerwestin...)

j

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John,
The DANTE shareholders meeting might be more interesting ! :-
Dave

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>>>>> "Jon" == Jon Crowcroft <J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk> writes:

Jon> Cable & Wireless are broadcasting their shareholders AGM on BBC
Jon> (UK Public Bcast TV, sort of)

Jon> does anyone think it a fair experiemnt to re-cast it on the mbone?

When would that be? Personally I'd like to see the NASA Select Video on the
shuttle landing (today) --- and would vote not to re-cast the C&W AGM if
they happen to happen in the same time frame ...

        Dirk

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From: Jon Crowcroft <J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk>
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 >Jon> Cable & Wireless are broadcasting their shareholders AGM on BBC
 >Jon> (UK Public Bcast TV, sort of)
 >When would that be? 
 
Dirk

5.15 BST (WET+1), july 21st...

 jon


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From: Herman.Towles@East.Sun.COM (Herman Towles - Sun NC Development Center)
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To: rem-conf@es.net, gc@maeva.ccd.bnl.gov, gong@concert.net, MTan@uci.edu
Subject: Re: VideoPix and Solaris 2.2
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You are correct that VideoPix support is not contained in Solaris 2.x.

However, Solaris 2.x binary versions of a VideoPix device driver, the 
VideoPix interface library (libvfc.a), the video frame capture tool (vfctool), 
and the newly created VideoPix XIL pipeline library (xilSUNWvfc.so) are 
available without support.  This software was "ported" from SunOS 4.1.3
to Solaris 2.0 and been used within Sun Engineering as part of other 
development activities.  No problems have been reported with
this software, although it has undergone no formal testing.  Since
proper & formal testing has not been performed, these binaries are
considered to be less than Alpha-level.

Customers can contact their local Sun sales office or support engineer
and request this software: 

	sun/Graphics/VideoPix/SUNWvfc.tar.Z	VideoPix vfctool & includes
	sun/Graphics/VideoPix/SUNWvpu.tar.Z	VideoPix XIL support & examples
	sun/Graphics/VideoPix/SUNWvpx.tar.Z	VideoPix device driver

The XIL support package includes "libvfc.a", a Solaris 2.x version
of the video frame capture tool ("vfctool"), and source code for an 
XIL example program ("display.c") that captures image data from VideoPix 
and displays it in an X window.


Herman Towles
Sun Microsystems

p.s. Some VideoPix install instructions are attached.

Installing the VideoPix device driver:


    1) login as "root"
    2) add the following line to /etc/devlink.tab (NOTE: This line must have *no* spaces)

		type=ddi_pseudo;name=vfc	\M0
        
    3) cp vfc /kernel/drv
    4) add_drv -m '* 0666 root bin' vfc
    5) ls -l /dev/vfc0

    6) boot -r
	System boots will automatically install the driver if the device is
	installed on the SBus and found by system probe & selftest.
    
    Note: if /dev/vfc0 is not created, something is wrong.

From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun  30 08:12:03 1993 
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Does anyone use the Parallax frame grabber with "nv"?  We currently use
the VideoPix on our Sparstations, but was wondering if anyone was using
another frame grabber.  Thanks.

Bob Hott
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Subject: Re: shareholders AGM? fit for mbone
To: Dirk.Husemann@informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Dirk Husemann)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 08:18:05 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk, mbone@ISI.EDU, rem-conf@es.net
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In previous mail, Dirk Husemann said something like:

>                     Personally I'd like to see the NASA Select Video on the
> shuttle landing (today) --- and would vote not to re-cast the C&W AGM if
> they happen to happen in the same time frame ...

Turns out that the shuttle has been waved off again today, and our connection
to the mbone seems to be broken [have not looked into *WHY* yet].  Holding off
another day....

-abc
-- 
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From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun  30 13:00:48 1993 
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From: tang@buggle.Eng.Sun.COM (John Tang)
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Subject: Re: FlexCam
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I should point out that since sending out my message reviewing the
FlexCam, I have discovered that our observations were biased by the
fact that our prototype video encoding board tends to darken video
images somewhat.  I should have mentioned that our observation of the
FlexCam was with the camera plugged into a prototype digital video
encode/compression board in a Sun workstation and displayed on a
workstation screen.  It turns out that if you plug the FlexCam into a
video monitor, the video image shows up well-lit, even in an interior
office.  We'll tune the software on our board a bit, but I wanted to
correct a potentially misleading report on the FlexCam.

In the interest of accurate reporting...

~jt



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It's been requested that we give anonymous ftp access to the Solaris 2.x 
VideoPix software I referenced in previous mail.

We will do so and let this alias know. This should make it easier for all, 
especially the Sun support engineers. :-)

Herman Towles

 

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> From: Fengmin Gong <gong@concert.net>
> Message-Id: <9306281426.AA17193@jazz.concert.net>
> To: rem-conf@es.net
> 
> While attending Gigabit Jamboree in DC I also toured the ITCA'93
> exhibition floor.  Per my conversation with Henning, the following
> info on echo cancelers may be of interest to the list:
> 
> Shure ST4300
> Coherent Voicecrafter 2000

Another new product is the Gentner TI-7200 Telconference Interface.
It has both Cancelation (192 mS tail, at -30dB) and Suppression
(-18dB) if selected. Approx. 4,000.00.

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To: rem-conf@es.net, bob@sarad.cs.su.oz.au, hyder@niwot.scd.ucar.EDU
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DELETTHIS MESSAGE IF NOT INTERESTED IN:

	* Solaris 2.x migration
	* Compatiability mode operation
	* Solaris 1.1 support for Classic/LX systems.

Thought this might be of interest based on mail discussions this past week.



        SUNSOFT ANNOUNCES NEW SOLARIS 2 CUSTOMER INITIATIVES
       Speed End-User Transition And Increase Application Base

   MOUNTAIN VIEW, June 30, 1993 -- SunSoft, Inc. today announced five
broad initiatives to enable customers worldwide to further accelerate
their move to the powerful Solaris(r) 2 software environment.  These
new initiatives, which build on SunSoft's current industry momentum,
are designed to further increase the presence of Solaris 2 in the
enterprise-wide computing arena. Targeted at Global 1000 companies, the
programs will enable in-house developers to create applications for
Solaris 2 rapidly and cost-effectively and give end users access to a
larger number of software packages.

   SunSoft has already shipped a record 250,000 Solaris 2 licenses in the
past six months. More than 650 applications are shipping for the
Solaris 2 SPARC(r) environment including products from Autodesk, Lotus,
Oracle and Sybase, and more than 1,800 are in the process of migrating
to Solaris 2. In the x86 arena, more than 500 applications are expected
to ship for Solaris 2 by the end of the year and SunSoft has tripled
the number of x86 platforms and peripherals supported by Solaris 2 in
the last three months.

   The initiatives include new Solaris 2 product enhancements, a Solaris 2
communication center, an expansion of SunSoft's popular Catalyst
software developer program and a Solaris x86 certification program. In
addition, the company will offer the Solaris 1.1 software environment
as an option to customers of Solaris 2 on the microSPARC(tm)
architecture, allowing corporate users to access existing applications
today as they migrate to the new Solaris 2 environment.

"Solaris momentum continues in the technology, applications and
customer areas," said Jim Billmaier, vice president of product
marketing at SunSoft. "With today's announcements, we are equipping our
Global 1000 customers with everything necessary to assist in the
development of new applications and the rapid conversion of existing
applications to the powerful Solaris 2 environment."

The customer initiatives are:


SOLARIS 2 ENHANCEMENTS

- Solaris 2 Binary Compatibility Package 
	
   As the Global 1000 companies make the transition to the powerful
Solaris 2 environment, they require tools that will make the migration
easy, fast and cost effective. To achieve this, SunSoft will deliver
several new software technologies to the marketplace. The company will
extend its Solaris 2 Binary Compatibility Package (BCP) software to
enable more of the existing third-party and in-house applications to
run on the Solaris 2 environment without modification.  In addition to
dynamically-linked applications, the extended BCP will also run
statically-linked applications, enabling users to run most of their
Solaris 1 applications unchanged with no loss in performance.

   The Solaris 2 BCP currently ships within the standard Solaris 2
environment. The extended BCP with statically-linked support will be
incorporated into the next release of Solaris 2 in the fall at no extra
charge.

- Solaris 2 Network Transition Kit
	
   In addition, SunSoft will make a Solaris 2 network transition kit
available to customers, allowing them to run the industry-standard
Solaris 1 NIS network server software on the new Solaris 2
environment.  This will enable corporations to maintain their current
network configuration and administrative policies while they transition
to the more powerful Solaris 2 NIS+ networking software. NIS+ uses a
hierarchical naming model for efficient distributed network
administration, lowering the cost of ownership. It maintains a database
of the numerous resources across a network, allowing users to
transparently access and share data. NIS+ is also scalable and runs on
a range of networks, from single LANs to enterprise-wide networks with
thousands of nodes.

   The Solaris 2 network transition kit, which includes the NIS software
and media, is priced at $125 for a site license. The kit will be
available to SunSoft OEMs in 60 days.


SOLARIS 1.1 ON microSPARC

   SunSoft will also make the Solaris 1.1 software environment available
as an option to Solaris 2 customers of microSPARC-based systems, such
as the SPARCclassic(tm) and SPARCstation(tm) LX from Sun Microsystems
Computer Corp. (SMCC). This will allow end users to take advantage of
the price/performance of the microSPARC architecture as they migrate to
the new Solaris 2 environment. The next-generation Solaris 2
environment offers features -- such as increased performance, symmetric
multiprocessing, multithreading, system administration, security,
graphics, multimedia and objects -- to deliver a powerful
enterprise-wide computing environment to customers.

   SunSoft will offer its SPARC(r) OEMs a special Compact Disc (CD)
release of Solaris 1.1 for microSPARC immediately. European versions in
French, German, Italian and Swedish and Asian versions in Japanese,
Korean, Chinese (PRC and Taiwan) will be available to SPARC OEMs in 45
days. System manufacturers worldwide have the option to offer the
Solaris 1.1 product to their current and new Solaris 2 customers. For
inquiries and pricing, contact individual system manufacturers.


SOLARIS 2 COMMUNICATION CENTER

   SunSoft has established a new Solaris Communication Center to provide
just-in-time information on the Solaris 2 transition to system
manufacturers. This center will offer a direct electronic mail link
between system vendors and SunSoft engineers and a new database
repository for daily up-to-date migration information. The database
will include product updates, technical articles and access to
patches.  In addition, it will offer "symptom resolution" -- a program
that allows users to type in the words associated with a specific
problem and receive an answer immediately.

   The new center adds to the more than 550 UNIX(r) experts across the
world that already support the Solaris environment 7 days a week/ 24
hours a day.

   For more information, contact 1-800-763-8778 (SOFTSPT) or
510-460-3267.


SOLARIS 2 ASSOCIATE PROGRAM
	
The new Associate program extends SunSoft's Catalyst program to
specifically address the needs of in-house Solaris 2 software
developers.  The new program features most of the services already
offered to third-party developers and adds specific ones for the
in-house developer base. SunSoft will work with system manufacturers
and channel partners to begin a pilot program in July. The program will
include:

Tools
- Early access to Solaris products for SPARC and x86
- Early access to developer tools
Support
- Migration planning support
- Access to migration tips database
Information
- Technical newsletters
- Special regional conferences and annual developer conference admission
- Regular technical updates

   For more information, contact 1-800-227-9227 in the United States and
local SunSoft offices in Europe and Asia.


SOLARIS 2 x86 CERTIFICATION PROGRAM
	 
   SunSoft offers a new Solaris certification program for testing and
certifying systems and peripherals for the Solaris x86 environment.
Through the program, SunSoft has already boosted x86 platform and
peripheral support more than threefold in the last three months.

   The Solaris 2 x86 software now supports systems from the leading PC
vendors including AST, Compaq, Dell Computer, Gateway 2000, IBM, NEC,
NCR and Toshiba. It supports popular video display cards from
companies, such as ATI, Compaq and Orchid; network cards from SMC, 3Com
and IBM; and the SoundBlaster PRO audio card from Creative Labs. In
addition, Solaris x86 has been tested and certified to run with tape
subsystems from Archive and Tanberg Panther; pointing devices from
Logitech, Microsoft and Mouse Systems; and CD-ROM drives from NEC, Sony
and Toshiba.  SunSoft plans to support more than 200 peripherals by the
end of the year.

   The certification program offers many features to system and peripheral
suppliers including technical support, self-test suites, listings in
guides, regular technical updates and marketing promotions.

   For more information on the program, please contact 1-800-227-9227 in
the United States and local SunSoft offices in Europe and Asia.


   SunSoft, headquartered in Mountain View, Calif., is a subsidiary of Sun
Microsystems, Inc. The company has offices in North America, Europe and
Asia. SunSoft is a leading supplier of 32-bit system software solutions
for SPARC and Intel 80386/486-based computers. The products are
licensed by SunSoft and distributed through major computer
manufacturers and resellers worldwide.

				###
(c)1993 Sun Microsystems, Inc. SunSoft, Solaris, NIS, SPARCclassic and
SPARCstation are trademarks or registered trademarks of Sun
Microsystems, Inc. microSPARC is licensed exclusively to Sun
Microsystems, Inc. SPARC is a registered trademark of SPARC
International, Inc. UNIX is a registered trademark of UNIX System
Laboratories. Products bearing SPARC trademarks are based on the
architecture developed by Sun Microsystems, Inc. Intel is a registered
trademark of Intel Corporation. All other products or service names
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