From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 01 06:09:39 1994 Received: from ceres.fokus.gmd.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <17635-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 03:09:05 +0000 Received: from fokus.gmd.de by ceres.fokus.gmd.de id <24845-0@ceres.fokus.gmd.de>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:20:11 +0200 Subject: Re: sending audio to vat To: powhwee@ncb.gov.sg Cc: rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:20:11 +0200 From: Henning Schulzrinne Sender: schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de > I need to write an application that can send audio to > vat and have it play back. In a way, using vat as a continuous > audio player. I've read the RTP draft and profile document; > and would appreciate other references that can help me implement > this, as vat source code is not available. > > Thanks much for any help. > > Regards, > Pow-hwee Tan > powhwee@ncb.gov.sg > > You may find that NeVoT fits your need. It generates RTP and vat streams and has a built-in audio file reader (you can loop it, too, so that it plays the same file forever). Anon. ftp from ftp://gaia.cs.umass.edu/pub/hgschulz/nevot There's also the vat_nv_record suite of programs that handles, as the name suggests, vat and nv (RTPv1) packets. Naturally, you could also just hook up a tape recorder or radio to your workstation. (Or a second workstation dumping audio to its audio output port.) Check out the pointers under http://www.eit.com/techinfo/mbone/mbone.html -- Henning Schulzrinne email: hgs@fokus.gmd.de GMD-Fokus phone: +49 30 25499 219 Hardenbergplatz 2 fax: +49 30 25499 202 D-10623 Berlin hphone: +49 117 432 4741 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 01 09:00:34 1994 Received: from stone.ucs.indiana.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <18709-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 06:00:09 +0000 Received: by stone.ucs.indiana.edu (4.1/9.7jsm) id AA13851; Thu, 1 Sep 94 08:00:01 EST Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:00:00 -0500 (EST) From: Cell-Relay Gopher Janitor Subject: Re: Multicast and OSs To: Jim Martin Cc: Michael Macedonia , rem-conf@es.net, jallard@microsoft.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > Question: why do SGI, Sun, Dec, and Apple and just about every > > > router vendor go through the effort to support mcast and not IBM and > > > Microsoft? > > > > Microsoft doesn't have to because, well, they're Microsoft. > > Actually, you're wrong. There are time when I don't mind being proven wrong :-) although I've heard that Chicago won't be available for another 8 months (May). So, where are all the ads letting people know of MicroSoft's IP enlightenment? regards, allen From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 01 12:56:24 1994 Received: from netmail2.microsoft.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <20301-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 09:55:54 +0000 Received: by netmail2.microsoft.com (5.65/25-eef) id AA00721; Thu, 1 Sep 94 09:56:35 -0700 Message-Id: <9409011656.AA00721@netmail2.microsoft.com> Original-Received: by netmail2 using fxenixd 1.0 Thu, 01 Sep 94 09:56:35 PDT PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line X-Msmail-Message-Id: 59DB4624 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 59DB4624 From: James 'J' Allard To: allen@stone.ucs.indiana.edu, jim@grimaldi.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 1 Sep 94 09:49:00 TZ Subject: Re: Multicast and OSs Cc: macedoni@gravy1.cs.nps.navy.mil, rem-conf@es.net | There are time when I don't mind being proven wrong :-) although I've | heard that Chicago won't be available for another 8 months (May). So, | where are all the ads letting people know of MicroSoft's IP enlightenment? tcp/ip-32 for windows for workgroups (shipping now) - available at n/c on the internet, compuserve and $49/direct order supports igmp multicast and many other features like path mtu discovery, dead g/w detection, multiple interfaces/adapter, dhcp, winsock, etc... windows nt 3.5 (due to ship this month, in beta for some time now) supports igmp multicast as well as the other features of tcp/ip-32 (same code base) plus slip and ppp dialup, isdn support, and extra utilities. chicago (due to ship q195) will support all of these features as well. comp.protocols.tcpip.ibm-pc and the winsock lists discuss these topics frequently. _______________________________________________________________ J. Allard jallard@microsoft.com Program Manager of TCP/IP Technologies work: (206)882-8080 Microsoft Corporation home: (206)860-8862 "On the Internet, nobody knows you're running Windows NT" From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 01 13:21:44 1994 Received: from watson.ibm.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <20632-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 10:21:17 +0000 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 7981; Thu, 01 Sep 94 13:21:20 EDT Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 0267; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 13:21:19 EDT Received: from vindhya.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Thu, 01 Sep 94 13:21:19 EDT Received: by vindhya.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA24374; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 13:21:13 -0400 From: kandlur@watson.ibm.com (Dilip Kandlur) Message-Id: <9409011721.AA24374@vindhya.watson.ibm.com> X-Sender-Data: Phone: 914-784 7722 or 8-863 7722 To: Cell-Relay Gopher Janitor Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Multicast and OSs In-Reply-To: (Your message of Thu, 01 Sep 94 08:00:00 EST.) Reply-To: kandlur@watson.ibm.com Date: Thu, 01 Sep 94 13:21:13 -0500 I would like to point out that IP-Multicast is supported in AIX 4.1. -- Dilip Kandlur. kandlur@watson.ibm.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 01 13:35:35 1994 Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <20741-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 10:35:10 +0000 Received: from dude.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04437; Thu, 1 Sep 94 10:34:52 PDT Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 10:34:51 +48000 From: Michael Macedonia To: James 'J' Allard Cc: allen@stone.ucs.indiana.edu, jim@grimaldi.rutgers.edu, rem-conf@es.net, mbone@isi.edu Subject: Microsoft Shipping IP Multicast In-Reply-To: <9409011656.AA00721@netmail2.microsoft.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, James 'J' Allard wrote: > > tcp/ip-32 for windows for workgroups (shipping now) - available at n/c > on the internet, compuserve and $49/direct order supports igmp > multicast and many other features like path mtu discovery, dead > g/w detection, multiple interfaces/adapter, dhcp, winsock, etc... > > _______________________________________________________________ > J. Allard jallard@microsoft.com > Thanks for the news. I am ordering today. I also need to reflect on this. Will or do any of the Microsoft OS's support mrouted? Mike Macedonia | macedonia@cs.nps.navy.mil MAJ, USA | CS Dept, Naval Postgraduate School, | Monterey, CA 93943 | PH:(408) 656-2903 FAX:(408) 656-2814 ------------------------------------------------------------ From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 01 20:52:09 1994 Received: from nms.etri.re.kr by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <04884-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 17:51:46 +0000 Received: from cote.etri.re.kr ([129.254.51.2]) by nms.etri.re.kr (4.1/NMS-0.1) id AA16419; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:54:24 KDT Received: from smart.etri.re.kr by cote.etri.re.kr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05216; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:51:29 KDT Received: by smart.etri.re.kr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00856; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:51:29 KDT From: mkshin@smart.etri.re.kr (Myung-Ki Shin) Message-Id: <9409012351.AA00856@smart.etri.re.kr> Subject: Subscribe To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Fri, 2 Sep 94 9:51:28 KDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Subscribe Myung-Ki Shin e-mail : mkshin@pec.etri.re.kr From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 02 10:48:43 1994 Received: from uu10.psi.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <08692-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 2 Sep 1994 07:48:18 +0000 Received: by uu10.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA16665 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 94 10:34:56 -0400 Received: from mailgate1.insoft.com by insoft2.insoft.com (4.1/RHP-1.0) id AA18268; Fri, 2 Sep 94 10:21:32 EDT Original-Received: from cc:Mail by mailgate1.insoft.com id AA778521301 Fri, 02 Sep 94 08:55:01 EST PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Date: Fri, 02 Sep 94 08:55:01 EST From: mrc@mailgate1.insoft.com (Murray R. Cantor) Message-Id: <9408027785.AA778521301@mailgate1.insoft.com> To: Jim Martin , allen@stone.ucs.indiana.edu Cc: macedoni@gravy1.cs.nps.navy.mil, rem-conf@es.net, jallard@microsoft.com Subject: Re[2]: Multicast and OSs I have heard that IBM will support multi-cast in their AIX 4.1 product, to ship in October. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Multicast and OSs Author: Jim Martin Date: 8/29/94 5:31 PM > > Question: why do SGI, Sun, Dec, and Apple and just about every > > router vendor go through the effort to support mcast and not IBM and > > Microsoft? > > Microsoft doesn't have to because, well, they're Microsoft. Actually, you're wrong. Microsoft will be supporting IP Multicast in Chicago, Daytona, and a forthcoming TCP/IP release for WFW 3.11. In fact, I've got a Daytona beta on my machine right now that I'm using for development of my PC based multicast tools. I've been really impressed with the way Microsoft seems to be aproaching TCP/IP in their new line of products. For example, when you're doing the net configuration, it'll happily go off and use DHCP. Now, I know it's not a big deal to code that in, but it does indicate that they're current with the protocol development coming out of the IETF, something I would not have expected, say, a year ago. Also, they seem to be at least reasonably aware of some of the real concerns with using IP services today. When you go to install their FTP server component, it warns you that using FTP involves typing a password in cleartext over the net, and if someone has access to the physical path, it might be snooped. Again, not a big deal to put in, but it shows someone is thinking. Jim P.S. I'm CCing James Allard, Program Manager of TCP/IP Technologies at Microsoft, in case he has anything else to add, or to correct me if I blew any of the details. Jim Martin Internet: jim@noc.rutgers.edu Network Services UUCP: {backbone}!rutgers!jim Rutgers University Phone: (908) 445-3719 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 02 12:35:53 1994 Received: from netmail2.microsoft.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09748-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 2 Sep 1994 09:35:28 +0000 Received: by netmail2.microsoft.com (5.65/25-eef) id AA11276; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:36:11 -0700 Message-Id: <9409021636.AA11276@netmail2.microsoft.com> Original-Received: by netmail2 using fxenixd 1.0 Fri, 02 Sep 94 09:36:10 PDT PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line X-Msmail-Message-Id: 97CF8A58 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 97CF8A58 From: James 'J' Allard To: allen@stone.ucs.indiana.edu, jim@grimaldi.rutgers.edu, macedoni@gravy1.cs.nps.navy.mil, rem-conf@es.net Date: Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:25:41 +0500 Subject: url for microsoft tcp/ip-32 >>tcp/ip-32 for windows for workgroups (shipping now) - available at n/c >>on the internet, compuserve and $49/direct order supports igmp >>multicast and many other features like path mtu discovery, dead >>g/w detection, multiple interfaces/adapter, dhcp, winsock, etc... >Could you provide a pointer to tcp/ip-32 on the internet? >Thanks much.... after a dozen requests i decided to post it to the list: internet: compuserve: microsoft software library (GO MSL) _______________________________________________________________ J. Allard jallard@microsoft.com Program Manager of TCP/IP Technologies work: (206)882-8080 Microsoft Corporation home: (206)860-8862 "On the Internet, nobody knows you're running Windows NT" From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Sep 03 12:41:01 1994 Received: from krnic.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <15846-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sat, 3 Sep 1994 09:40:33 +0000 Received: from cosmos.kaist.ac.kr by krnic.net (8.6.4/8.6.4) id BAA03817; Sun, 4 Sep 1994 01:40:35 +0900 Received: from localhost (jhyang@localhost) by cosmos.kaist.ac.kr (8.6.4/8.6.4) id BAA28082; Sun, 4 Sep 1994 01:40:03 +0900 From: Jaeho Yang Message-Id: <199409031640.BAA28082@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr> Subject: formal definition of "session" ? To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Sun, 4 Sep 94 1:40:02 KST Cc: jhyang@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Hi! all. What do you think formal definition of "session" in multimedia conferencing ? it used very frequently and without doubt. althogh it is buzz word, it seems bizzare. In my points (session in MIM or multimedia conferencing): Session: 1. a set of active connections among participants, and resources for those connections 2. all events or data between start and end of conferecing ex) session recording it is too hard for me; ;-) help me!! From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Sep 04 13:04:18 1994 Received: from bgate.lut.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <19861-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sun, 4 Sep 1994 10:03:52 +0000 Received: by suna.lut.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05553; Sun, 4 Sep 94 18:03:43 BST Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 17:49:58 +0100 (BST) From: "Jon P. Knight" Subject: British Association Multicast To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: Ben Anderson , Martin Hamilton Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII "SCIENCE IN THE WORLD AROUND US" THE BRITISH ASSOCIATION ANNUAL FESTIVAL OF SCIENCE, 5-9 September 1994 Loughborough University of Technology As part of this year's annual festival of science, the LUT's Department of Computer Studies, in collaboration with Computing Services and the British Association, hope to broad/multicast a selection of the Computer Science oriented lectures to the Internet world via the MBONE and CU-SeeMe video-conferencing tools. _________________________________________________________________ Multicast Schedule Note that all times are given as BST (= GMT +1) _________________________________________________________________ TUESDAY 6TH SEPTEMBER COMPUTING FOR THE FUTURE. Chair: Dr Clive Pugh (LUT) 09:00 - Session Starts _ Multimedia Interfaces_, _Prof. James L. Alty_ (LUT). _ Virtual Reality as a Creative Medium_, _Sean Clark_ (LUT). 10:30 - Coffee 11:00 - Session recommences _ Computers, Creativity and Emergence_, _Prof. Ernest A. Edmonds_ (LUT). 12:30 - Session Closes 14:30 - 16:30 Demonstrations by Department of Computer Science. (Will include some MBONE activity, although likely to be local only). The multicast sessions will be annouced via sd. We plan to have global audio and video of the three live seminars as well as a global whiteboard for copies of any slides the presenters may have and for feedback. We are also hoping to have a Mac running CUSeeMe connected to the LUTCHI reflector so that the CUSeeMe/Maven universe can see and hear the seminars as well. There is also a _slim_ possibility that we may also multicast a few further seminars from the BAAFS. Specifically we are looking at some seminars being held by members of EuroPARC which may interest the MBONE community. Unfortunately, these are being held in a different lecture theatre which is not networked, so the best that we could hope for would be to video these sessions and then multicast them ``offline''. If we do this we will probably defer the multicast until the following weekend to avoid clashing with other planned MBONE activity. The upto date program can be grabbed from . Please email any comments or queries to B.Anderson@lut.ac.uk martin@mrrl.lut.ac.uk or J.P.Knight@lut.ac.uk. Jon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jon Knight, Research Student in High Performance Networking and Distributed Systems in the Department of _Computer_Studies_ at Loughborough University. * It's not how big your share is, its how much you share that's important * From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 05 11:16:35 1994 Received: from cssun.mathcs.emory.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <24292-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 5 Sep 1994 08:08:51 +0000 Received: (from km@localhost) by cssun.mathcs.emory.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9-940818.01cssun) id LAA29413 for rem-conf@es.net; Mon, 5 Sep 1994 11:08:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 11:08:48 -0400 From: Ken Mandelberg Message-Id: <199409051508.LAA29413@cssun.mathcs.emory.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Mrouted Pruning and Solaris 2.X? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Is there any work being done on a pruning version of mrouted for Solaris 2.x? Does Solaris 2.4 have the needed kernel support? Ken Mandelberg | km@mathcs.emory.edu PREFERRED Emory University | {rutgers,gatech}!emory!km UUCP Dept of Math and CS | km@emory.bitnet NON-DOMAIN BITNET Atlanta, GA 30322 | Phone: Voice (404) 727-7963, FAX 727-5611 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 05 20:05:32 1994 Received: from ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <26152-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 5 Sep 1994 17:05:10 +0000 Received: by ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA188499909; Mon, 5 Sep 1994 19:05:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 19:05:09 -0500 (EST) From: Allen Robel Subject: TELCONF: Networked Information and the Scholar To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: sheehan@indiana.edu, pdavidso@indiana.edu, bernbom@indiana.edu, robelr@indiana.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Barring objections, Indiana University - Bloomington plans to broadcast one 128Kb/s video channel (nv) and one audio channel (vat) on October 28, 1994 from 12:30 to 4:30pm (-0500 GMT/UTC) with worldwide scope (ttl 127). We will advertise this program in sd as: TELCONF (Video) TELCONF (Audio) starting the afternoon of October 27th. Please send comments or concerns to the following list of addresses: robelr@indiana.edu sheehan@indiana.edu pdavidso@indiana.edu Program notes are included below. Thanks, Allen Robel Internet: robelr@indiana.edu Network Engineer voice: (812)855-0962 Indiana University FAX: (812)855-8299 TELCONF: Networked Information and the Scholar Program Notes On October 28, 1994, Indiana University's Bloomington campus will originate "Networked Information and the Scholar," a national satellite videoconference featuring panelists of international renown. The conference will focus on the growing use of networked information and how it can support the goals of higher education. Panelists will examine changes and trends that are shaping the future of academia. The intended audience includes higher education faculty, students, administrators, librarians, technologists, legislators, and others interested in the application of information technology to the scholarly process. "Networked Information and the Scholar" will feature presentations by the following experts: James J. O'Donnell, Professor and Coordinator of the Center for Computer Analysis of Texts, Department of Classical Studies, University of Pennsylvania. Kathy A. Krendl, Dean of Continuing Studies, and Professor, Department of Telecommunications, Indiana University. Michael M. Roberts, Vice-President of EDUCOM. Clifford A. Lynch, Director of Library Automation, Office of the President, University of California. Paul Evan Peters, Executive Director, Coalition for Networked Information (CNI). Each will speak for 25 minutes. All will then join in an hour-long panel discussion moderated by James G. Neal, Dean of University Libraries, Indiana University, and Lee G. Caldwell, Vice-President for Information Technology and Dean of Academic Computing, Indiana University. Indiana University will uplink the videoconference via C-band satellite and will offer it at no charge to reception sites throughout the United States. The time of videoconference will be 12:30 to 4:30pm EST/CDT. For details on satellite reception or for more information on the conference itself, contact Margaret Lion or Eugene Brancolini, Radio and TV Services, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN 47405, 812/855-2101, fax 812/855-0729, e-mail TELEVIS@UCS.INDIANA.EDU. For details on MBONE reception of this event, contact robelr@indiana.edu, University Computing Services, Bloomington, IN 47405, 812/855-0962, fax 812/855-8299/ [For the full text of this press release, direct your Web client to: http://bronze.ucs.indiana.edu/~sheehan/teleconf.html Or send e-mail to sheehan@indiana.edu.] From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 05 22:01:29 1994 Received: from twnmoe10.edu.tw by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <26704-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 5 Sep 1994 19:01:02 +0000 Received: from comserv.itri.org.tw by TWNMOE10.Edu.TW (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 06 Sep 94 10:01:42 GMT Received: by comserv.itri.org.tw (ITRI1.0s) from e0sun3.ccl.itri.org.tw id AA04935; Tue, 6 Sep 94 09:59:14+080 Message-Id: <9409060159.AA04935@comserv.itri.org.tw> Received: by e0sun3.ccl.itri.org.tw (ITRI1.2wd) from e0sun55.sun_net (e0sun55.ccl.itri.org.tw) id AA29318; Tue, 6 Sep 94 09:56:11 CST Date: Tue, 6 Sep 94 09:56:11 CST From: huang@e0sun3.ccl.itri.org.tw (atc member) To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: subscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 06 00:38:14 1994 Received: from anu.anu.edu.au by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <27349-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 5 Sep 1994 21:37:42 +0000 Received: from moggie (moggie.anu.edu.au) by anu.anu.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27920; Tue, 6 Sep 94 14:37:35 EST Received: by moggie (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00550; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 14:37:05 --1000 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 14:37:05 --1000 From: sjm@moggie.anu.edu.au (Stephen Meatheringham) Message-Id: <9409060437.AA00550@moggie> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: help X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 303 How the f*** does one get off the rem-conf mailing list?? I've tried rem-conf-request as an email address and never got anywhere. Stephen Meatheringham Mt. Stromlo Observatory Private Bag, Weston Creek P.O. ACT 2611, AUSTRALIA phone : +61 6 2490293 email : sjm@mso.anu.edu.au From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 06 06:00:28 1994 Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <29464-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 02:59:58 +0000 Received: from betelgeuse.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01791; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 11:58:33 --100 Received: by betelgeuse.we.lc.ehu.es (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02139; Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:59:21 +0200 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:59:21 +0200 From: icalvo@we.lc.ehu.es (Isidro Calvo) Message-Id: <9409060959.AA02139@betelgeuse.we.lc.ehu.es> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: HP-UX multicast content-length: 305 Hello! We're from the Basque Country University (in Spain) and we'd like to install here the videoconference applications. But we've here some computers with the HP-UX system. So we'd like to know if multicast patches are available for HP-UX and if they're where we can get them. Thanks! Isidro. From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 06 06:42:33 1994 Received: from citi.umich.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <29699-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 03:42:05 +0000 Received: from [141.211.128.182] by citi.umich.edu for sjm@moggie.anu.edu.au rem-conf@es.net with SMTP; Tue, 06 Sep 94 06:41:38 -0400 From: Bill Hampton To: sjm@moggie.anu.edu.au (Stephen Meatheringham) Cc: rem-conf@es.net Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 06:41:38 -0400 Subject: Re: help X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5gamma 8/15/94 I have tried 2 or 3 times over the past year to get unsubscribed and have not been successful. Someone out there adds people but never responds to requests to remove them. Very frustrating! Bill Hampton wrh@citi.umich.edu (To rem-conf-request, I KNOW we have a local exploder at citi.umich.edu but I am not on it!) > How the f*** does one get off the rem-conf mailing list?? > I've tried rem-conf-request as an email address and never got anywhere. > > > Stephen Meatheringham > Mt. Stromlo Observatory > Private Bag, Weston Creek P.O. > ACT 2611, AUSTRALIA > phone : +61 6 2490293 > email : sjm@mso.anu.edu.au > > > From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 06 07:36:07 1994 Received: from 140.134.24.20 by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <00223-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 04:35:41 +0000 Received: by pine.IECS.FCU.edu.tw (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14529; Tue, 6 Sep 94 19:31:38 CST Date: Tue, 6 Sep 94 19:31:38 CST From: srtsai@pine.IECS.FCU.edu.tw (Shwu-Rong Tsai) Message-Id: <9409061131.AA14529@pine.IECS.FCU.edu.tw> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: IP MULTICAST for Linux? Is there anyone knows about the IP Multicast version for Linux 1.0 or for PC? Thanks for the help. ==================== email: srtsai@pine.iecs.fcu.edu.tw From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 06 09:34:08 1994 Received: from ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <23421-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 06:33:46 +0000 Received: by ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA157608350; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 08:32:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 08:32:30 -0500 (EST) From: Allen Robel Sender: Allen Robel Reply-To: Allen Robel Subject: (Correction) Networked Information and the Scholar To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: sheehan@indiana.edu, bernbom@indiana.edu, pdavidso@indiana.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I said: > We will advertise this program in sd as: > > TELCONF (Video) > TELCONF (Audio) That should have been: We will advertise this program in sd as: Networked Information and the Scholar (Audio) Networked Information and the Scholar (Video) regards, Allen Robel Internet: robelr@indiana.edu Network Engineer voice: (812)855-0962 Indiana University FAX: (812)855-8299 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 06 11:26:45 1994 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <25307-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 08:26:16 +0000 Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-16) id ; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 08:24:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 08:24:51 -0700 From: braden@ISI.EDU (Bob Braden) Message-Id: <199409061524.AA19700@zephyr.isi.edu> To: sjm@moggie.anu.edu.au, wrh@citi.umich.edu Subject: Re: help Cc: rem-conf@es.net *> From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 6 04:39:57 1994 *> From: Bill Hampton *> To: sjm@moggie.anu.edu.au (Stephen Meatheringham) *> Cc: rem-conf@es.net *> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 06:41:38 -0400 *> Subject: Re: help *> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5gamma 8/15/94 *> Content-Length: 669 *> X-Lines: 28 *> *> *> I have tried 2 or 3 times over the past year to get unsubscribed and *> have not been successful. Someone out there adds people but *> never responds to requests to remove them. Very frustrating! *> *> Bill Hampton *> wrh@citi.umich.edu *> Bill, Don't feel bad, I have been trying for 4 years to get off one large mailing list ... Bob Braden From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 06 14:33:39 1994 Received: from viipuri.nersc.gov by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <29465-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 11:33:04 +0000 Received: by viipuri.nersc.gov (4.1/ESnet-1.2) id AA06663; Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:33:02 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:33:02 PDT From: ari@es.net (Ari Ollikainen) Message-Id: <9409061833.AA06663@viipuri.nersc.gov> To: sjm@moggie.anu.edu.au, wrh@citi.umich.edu Subject: Re: help Cc: rem-conf@es.net, rem-conf-request@internode.com.au > From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 6 03:58:14 1994 > From: Bill Hampton > To: sjm@moggie.anu.edu.au (Stephen Meatheringham) > Cc: rem-conf@es.net > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 06:41:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: help > X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5gamma 8/15/94 > Content-Length: 669 > > > I have tried 2 or 3 times over the past year to get unsubscribed and > have not been successful. Someone out there adds people but > never responds to requests to remove them. Very frustrating! > > Bill Hampton > wrh@citi.umich.edu > > (To rem-conf-request, I KNOW we have a local exploder at citi.umich.edu > but I am not on it!) > > > > > How the f*** does one get off the rem-conf mailing list?? > > I've tried rem-conf-request as an email address and never got anywhere. > > > > > > Stephen Meatheringham > > Mt. Stromlo Observatory > > Private Bag, Weston Creek P.O. > > ACT 2611, AUSTRALIA > > phone : +61 6 2490293 > > email : sjm@mso.anu.edu.au > > > > > > > > > Considering that sjm@mso.anu.edu.au is NOT on the root rem-conf list BUT possibly on rem-conf@internode.com.au, AND that wrh@citi.umich.edu is NOT on the root rem-conf list BUT may somehow be forwarded rem-conf messages... I, as the list maintainer, don't see the problem, other than impatience (sjm's original request was to rem-conf@es.net on 29Aug, the second to rem-conf-request@es.net on 30Aug, and the complaint to rem-conf@es.net, today, 6September) and failure to read/decipher SMTP headers for the source of forwarded e-mail... BTW: People get added, deleted, and have addresses changed as I get to the requests...I travel on business and sometimes even have the chance for vacation (as in the last two weeks). Ari@ES.net _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ Ari Ollikainen {VOX: 510 423-5962} _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Energy Sciences Network {FAX: 510 423-8744} _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ National Energy Research Supercomputer Center _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ MailStop L-561, PO BOX 5509, Livermore, CA. 94551 ~~RECOM Technologies Inc.~~ From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 06 15:08:34 1994 Received: from citi.umich.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <02303-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 12:08:10 +0000 Received: from [141.211.128.182] by citi.umich.edu for ari@es.net rem-conf@es.net with SMTP; Tue, 06 Sep 94 15:07:35 -0400 From: Bill Hampton To: ari@es.net (Ari Ollikainen) Cc: rem-conf@es.net Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 15:07:36 -0400 Subject: Re: help X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5gamma 8/15/94 I didn't intend to attack the list maintainer. (Though it sure looks like that's what I did.) I apologize. "I" knew what I meant by "someone out there" but I didn't make that clear. I have been informed in the past that I was not on the list maintained by rem-conf-request@es.net. As Ari pointed out, I have to track down the exploder that has me aboard and deal directly with that maintainer. wrh > > > From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 6 03:58:14 1994 > > From: Bill Hampton > > To: sjm@moggie.anu.edu.au (Stephen Meatheringham) > > Cc: rem-conf@es.net > > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 06:41:38 -0400 > > Subject: Re: help > > X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5gamma 8/15/94 > > Content-Length: 669 > > > > > > I have tried 2 or 3 times over the past year to get unsubscribed and > > have not been successful. Someone out there adds people but > > never responds to requests to remove them. Very frustrating! > > > > Bill Hampton > > wrh@citi.umich.edu > > > > (To rem-conf-request, I KNOW we have a local exploder at citi.umich.edu > > but I am not on it!) > > > > > > > > > How the f*** does one get off the rem-conf mailing list?? > > > I've tried rem-conf-request as an email address and never got anywhere. > > > > > > > > > Stephen Meatheringham > > > Mt. Stromlo Observatory > > > Private Bag, Weston Creek P.O. > > > ACT 2611, AUSTRALIA > > > phone : +61 6 2490293 > > > email : sjm@mso.anu.edu.au > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that sjm@mso.anu.edu.au is NOT on the root rem-conf > list BUT possibly on rem-conf@internode.com.au, AND that > wrh@citi.umich.edu is NOT on the root rem-conf list BUT may somehow > be forwarded rem-conf messages... > > I, as the list maintainer, don't see the problem, other than > impatience (sjm's original request was to rem-conf@es.net on 29Aug, > the second to rem-conf-request@es.net on 30Aug, and the complaint > to rem-conf@es.net, today, 6September) and failure to read/decipher > SMTP headers for the source of forwarded e-mail... > > BTW: People get added, deleted, and have addresses changed as I get > to the requests...I travel on business and sometimes even have > the chance for vacation (as in the last two weeks). > > > Ari@ES.net _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ Ari Ollikainen {VOX: 510 423-5962 } > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Energy Sciences Network {FAX: 510 423-8744 } > _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ National Energy Research Supercomputer Cente r > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ MailStop L-561, PO BOX 5509, Livermore, CA. 94 551 > ~~RECOM Technologies Inc.~~ > > > > > > From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 06 15:13:00 1994 Received: from warlord.arc.nasa.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <02403-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 12:12:26 +0000 Received: by warlord.arc.nasa.gov (8.6.8/1.5T) id MAA05769; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 12:12:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 12:12:24 -0700 From: ozoa Message-Id: <199409061912.MAA05769@warlord.arc.nasa.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Unsubscribe Please unsubscribe me From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 06 17:39:14 1994 Received: from uu10.psi.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <03714-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 14:38:25 +0000 Received: by uu10.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA10531 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 94 17:34:27 -0400 Received: from frodo by insoft2.insoft.com (4.1/RHP-1.0) id AA08911; Tue, 6 Sep 94 17:27:55 EDT Date: Tue, 6 Sep 94 17:20:16 EDT From: "Alexander V. Sokolsky" Subject: subscribe To: rem-conf@es.net X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe -- These are my personal opinions and I do not speak for InSoft, Inc. Alexander (Sasha) Sokolsky phone: 717-730-9501, ext.21 InSoft, Inc. fax: 717-730-9504 4718 Old Gettysburg Rd. Ste 307 e-mail: sokolsky@insoft.com Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-4378 MIME enclosures are OK From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 06 18:07:24 1994 Received: from adept.PRPA.Philips.COM by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <03921-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 15:06:53 +0000 Received: from thud.PRPA.Philips.COM by adept.PRPA.Philips.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06459; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:06:35 PDT Received: by thud.PRPA.Philips.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20195; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:06:30 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:06:30 PDT From: roelofs@thud.PRPA.Philips.COM (Greg Roelofs) Message-Id: <9409062206.AA20195@thud.PRPA.Philips.COM> To: rem-conf@es.net, srtsai@pine.IECS.FCU.edu.tw Subject: Re: IP MULTICAST for Linux? Cc: pwj@thud.PRPA.Philips.COM > Is there anyone knows about the IP Multicast version for Linux 1.0 or for PC? Our site has just become interested in this as well (although, to be honest, I haven't had a chance to dig through the Linux archives to see what might already exist). If there are e-mailed replies which don't go to the list, please cc me. Many thanks, Greg Roelofs roelofs@prpa.philips.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 06 19:27:37 1994 Received: from nic.near.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <04500-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 16:26:43 +0000 Received: from fedney.near.net by nic.near.net id ab09666; 6 Sep 94 18:46 EDT To: rem-conf@es.net cc: liam@nic.near.net, dpz@hardees.rutgers.edu, mbone@isi.edu Subject: Mbone Announcement for ARPANET 25th Anniversary Event Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 18:46:10 -0400 From: "L. Sean Kennedy" Message-ID: <9409061846.ab09666@nic.near.net> On September 10 1994 BBN is holding a celebration in honor of the 25th Anniversary of the ARPANET. BBN has received a number of inquiries about the event, and would like to multicast the program to the MBONE for those who are unable to attend in person. The press release about the event is included below. Current Plans Include: - NV format video - VAT Audio Session The sessions will appear in sd starting Friday night September 9, 1994. Exact times will be provided in the sd announcement. The tentative schedule calls for the program to begin at 2030 EST, and last until 2200 EST on 9/10/94. Please contact me with any conflicts (I have email into the Interop folks already about their plans on Saturday). Thanks! Sean Contacts: Catherine Miller Corporate Communications Specialist Bolt Beranek and Newman, Inc. (617) 873-6113 Internet: cmiller@bbn.com Aline Thibault Vice President FitzGerald Communications, Inc. (617) 494-9500 Internet: aline_thibault@fitzcomm.com Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. ARPANET 25th Anniversary Twenty-five years ago, the U.S. Department of Defenses Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) contracted a team of business, academic and government researchers to collaborate on a project that has had far-reaching effects on modern computer communications. Within a span of just 18 months, these technologists succeeded in demonstrating computer-to-computer transmissions across 10 transcontinental sites. Before this remarkable achievement, the movement of computerized information was confined to primitive media such as magnetic tape and punch cards. Using the first electronic mail system, these Cyberspace pioneers developed the current standards for computer networking. The ARPANET became the foundation of todays Internet. In addition, the packet-switching technology that started with the ARPANET evolved into technologies such as frame relay and cell switching, as used in Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM) -- viewed today as the emerging communications standard. Although there were scores of scientists, students and engineers involved in the ARPANET project, a handful of these technologists rose to the forefront, carrying the standard to the most far-reaching computer breakthroughs of the modern era. On September 10, 1994, the technologists responsible for envisioning the technology foundation of todays emerging Information Superhighway will gather at the Copley Hotel in Boston, Massachusetts, to commemorate their achievements on the silver anniversary of the ARPANET. The celebration, called The History of The Future: ARPANET, Internet and Beyond, will be hosted by Cambridge-based Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. (BBN), a key contractor on the ARPANET project. From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 06 19:31:57 1994 Received: from maple.enet.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <04581-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 16:31:32 +0000 Received: from pinyon.enet.net (pinyon.enet.net [198.60.143.2]) by enet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA26167 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 16:32:28 -0700 Received: (from markeson@localhost) by pinyon.enet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA24926; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 16:32:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 16:31:16 -0700 (MST) From: Mark Markeson Subject: unsubscribe To: rem-conf@es.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII please unsubscribe me. markeson@enet.net markeson@libre.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 06 21:17:07 1994 Received: from yucca.cs.odu.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <05296-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 18:16:29 +0000 Received: from sirocco.cs.odu.edu (rethi_m@sirocco.cs.odu.edu [128.82.6.20]) by yucca.cs.odu.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA04601; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 21:14:46 -0400 Received: (rethi_m@localhost) by sirocco.cs.odu.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id VAA05877; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 21:16:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 21:09:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "R.Muthu kumar" Subject: Source Code of sd To: rem-conf@es.net cc: mbone@ISI.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Do we have a new version of sd up? Can somebody please tell me where I can get the source code of latest version and documentation of sd? We tried in the ftp site : ftp.ee.lbl.gov but couldn't find it. Thanx in advance Kumar. From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 06 22:35:45 1994 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <05551-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 19:35:06 +0000 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; id AA05241; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 22:33:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 22:33:56 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9409070233.AA05241@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: roelofs@thud.PRPA.Philips.COM (Greg Roelofs) Cc: rem-conf@es.net, srtsai@pine.IECS.FCU.edu.tw, pwj@thud.PRPA.Philips.COM Reply-To: wollman@lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: IP MULTICAST for Linux? In-Reply-To: <9409062206.AA20195@thud.PRPA.Philips.COM> References: <9409062206.AA20195@thud.PRPA.Philips.COM> <> Is there anyone knows about the IP Multicast version for Linux 1.0 or for PC? > Our site has just become interested in this as well (although, to be > honest, I haven't had a chance to dig through the Linux archives to > see what might already exist). If there are e-mailed replies which > don't go to the list, please cc me. I just thought I'd point out that both current and soon-to-be-released versions of both FreeBSD and NetBSD support IP multicast; I suspect BSDi's product does as well. ftp://freebsd.cdrom.com/pub/FreeBSD (*) ftp://sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu/ (**) Please don't start OS wars in this mailing-list; any replies directly to me. -GAWollman (*)Due to legal restrictions, the current version of FreeBSD is not available from Walnut Creek. A number of mirror sites still carry it. A new version is scheduled to enter testing in about two weeks. (**)I couldn't talk to this host to verify the path. -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 07 00:28:15 1994 Received: from Maggie.Telcom.Arizona.EDU by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <01482-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 21:27:40 +0000 Received: from helios.ece.arizona.edu by Arizona.EDU (PMDF V4.3-9 #2381) id <01HGT1M9TBSG9AT16L@Arizona.EDU>; Tue, 06 Sep 1994 21:27:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from draco.ece.arizona.edu.ece.arizona.edu by helios.ece.arizona.edu; Tue, 6 Sep 94 21:27:26 MST Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 21:27:26 -0700 (MST) From: Gwi Moon Subject: Re: IP MULTICAST for Linux? To: rem-conf@es.net Message-id: <9409070427.AA19168@helios.ece.arizona.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > Is there anyone knows about the IP Multicast version for Linux 1.0 or for PC? > > Our site has just become interested in this as well (although, to be > honest, I haven't had a chance to dig through the Linux archives to > see what might already exist). If there are e-mailed replies which > don't go to the list, please cc me. > > Many thanks, > Greg Roelofs > roelofs@prpa.philips.com > I have wondered whether there exist support multicast support for Linix. Have any mbone tools developed for Linix? Or any one performing the tasks for the benefits of Linix users? Thanks, Moon, Gwi From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 07 00:43:17 1994 Received: from stone.ucs.indiana.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <01574-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 21:42:44 +0000 Received: by stone.ucs.indiana.edu (4.1/9.7jsm) id AA12345; Tue, 6 Sep 94 23:42:37 EST Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 23:42:36 -0500 (EST) From: Cell-Relay Gopher Janitor Subject: cisco's DVMRP To: rem-conf@es.net, cisco@spot.colorado.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Would anyone have documentation handy covering the command syntax that will be used for cisco's DVMRP implementation? We missed the opportunity to beta this code and I'd like to familiarize myself with the syntax and capabilities ahead of time if possible (and cisco, please speak up if this isn't kosher :-) Many thanks in advance. Allen Robel Internet: robelr@indiana.edu Network Engineer voice: (812)855-0962 Indiana University FAX: (812)855-8299 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 07 00:56:34 1994 Received: from relay1.Hawaii.Edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <01638-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 21:53:24 +0000 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.6]) by relay1.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <11343>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 18:53:03 -1000 Received: by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu id <184383>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 18:52:44 -1000 Subject: Re: IP MULTICAST for Linux? From: Tim Newsham To: wollman@lcs.mit.edu Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 18:52:42 -1000 Cc: roelofs@thud.PRPA.Philips.COM, rem-conf@es.net, srtsai@pine.IECS.FCU.edu.tw, pwj@thud.PRPA.Philips.COM In-Reply-To: <9409070233.AA05241@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu>; from "Garrett Wollman" at Sep 6, 94 4:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <94Sep6.185244hst.184383@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> > ftp://sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu/ (**) > (**)I couldn't talk to this host to verify the path. can be had via: ftp://ftp.iastate.edu/pub/netbsd/ > Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 07 04:30:20 1994 Received: from sun2.mhs-relay.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <02733-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 01:29:46 +0000 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.festival; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 09:29:25 +0100 Date: 07 Sep 94 09:29:20 BST From: Sam Wilson Subject: Re: cisco's DVMRP To: Cell-Relay Gopher Janitor cc: rem-conf@es.net, cisco@spot.colorado.edu Reply-to: Sam.Wilson@edinburgh.ac.uk In-reply-to: Your message Message-ID: <9409070929.aa23181@uk.ac.ed.festival> > [[[ ... cisco's DVMRP implementation? ... ]]] Can you (Cisco) also tell us which release IP multicasting will be available? That will help me plan for the next time I need to upgrade routers. Would it also be fair to assume it won't be available in any release for csc/3 [:-(]? Thanks, Sam Wilson Network Services Division Computing Services, The University of Edinburgh Edinburgh, Scotland, UK From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 07 05:54:17 1994 Received: from lager.cisco.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <03376-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 02:53:41 +0000 Received: (tli@localhost) by lager.cisco.com (8.6.8+c/CISCO.SERVER.1.1) id CAA21238; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 02:53:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 02:53:04 -0700 From: Tony Li Message-Id: <199409070953.CAA21238@lager.cisco.com> To: Sam.Wilson@edinburgh.ac.uk Cc: allen@stone.ucs.indiana.edu, rem-conf@es.net, cisco@spot.colorado.edu, incoming-cisco@cisco.com In-Reply-To: Sam Wilson's message of 07 Sep 94 09:29:20 BST <9409070929.aa23181@uk.ac.ed.festival> Subject: cisco's DVMRP Can you (Cisco) also tell us which release IP multicasting will be available? That will help me plan for the next time I need to upgrade routers. Multicast routing support is in 10.2. Would it also be fair to assume it won't be available in any release for csc/3 [:-(]? Sorry, not at present. Tony From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 07 10:28:17 1994 Received: from unbc.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <04577-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 07:27:32 +0000 Received: by unbc.edu id m0qiNyA-0001UcC for rem-conf@es.net ; Wed, 7 Sep 94 07:27 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 07:27:26 +0059 (PDT) From: Lyndon Nerenberg Subject: Re: IP MULTICAST for Linux? To: wollman@lcs.mit.edu cc: Greg Roelofs , rem-conf@es.net, srtsai@pine.IECS.FCU.edu.tw, pwj@thud.PRPA.Philips.COM In-Reply-To: <9409070233.AA05241@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Sep 1994, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I just thought I'd point out that both current and soon-to-be-released > versions of both FreeBSD and NetBSD support IP multicast; I suspect > BSDi's product does as well. BSD/386 release 1.1 (current BSDi rev) does support multicast. Beware, though, as there is a kernel bug that prevents you from running an encapsulated tunnel without crashing the system (panic("m_copym")). I reported this problem a few weeks ago. Latest word is that they have tracked down the problem. I haven't seen a patch yet, but one should be forthcoming. --lyndon From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 07 11:10:14 1994 Received: from ncc.ripe.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <04843-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 08:09:42 +0000 Received: from belegen.ripe.net by ncc.ripe.net with SMTP id AA23599 (5.65a/NCC-2.3); Wed, 7 Sep 1994 17:09:34 +0200 Received: from localhost.ripe.net by belegen.ripe.net with SMTP id AA26848 (5.65a/NCC-2.2); Wed, 7 Sep 1994 17:09:33 +0200 Message-Id: <9409071509.AA26848@belegen.ripe.net> To: Lyndon Nerenberg Cc: rem-conf@es.net From: Geert Jan de Groot X-Organization: RIPE Network Coordination Centre X-Phone: +31 20 592 5065 Subject: Re: IP MULTICAST for Linux? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 07 Sep 1994 07:27:26 -0101." Date: Wed, 07 Sep 1994 17:09:32 +0200 Sender: GeertJan.deGroot@ripe.net On Wed, 7 Sep 1994 07:27:26 +0059 (PDT) Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > On Tue, 6 Sep 1994, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > I just thought I'd point out that both current and soon-to-be-released > > versions of both FreeBSD and NetBSD support IP multicast; I suspect > > BSDi's product does as well. > BSD/386 release 1.1 (current BSDi rev) does support multicast. Beware, > though, as there is a kernel bug that prevents you from running an > encapsulated tunnel without crashing the system (panic("m_copym")). > > I reported this problem a few weeks ago. Latest word is that they have > tracked down the problem. I haven't seen a patch yet, but one should be > forthcoming. Mike Karels and I worked on this some weeks ago. Mike has come up with some patches which probably should be an official patch in the future. The changes were sent back to some mrouted authors. Ping me if you want it, while I check for general availability. It affects ALL machines that need to do byteswapping in the network code. Geert Jan From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 07 13:09:12 1994 Received: from feta.cisco.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <05930-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 10:08:19 +0000 Received: (dino@localhost) by feta.cisco.com (8.6.8+c/CISCO.SERVER.1.1) id KAA22912; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 10:07:54 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 10:07:54 -0700 From: Dino Farinacci Message-Id: <199409071707.KAA22912@feta.cisco.com> To: allen@stone.ucs.indiana.edu Cc: rem-conf@es.net, cisco@spot.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: Cell-Relay Gopher Janitor's message of Tue, 6 Sep 1994 23:42:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: cisco's DVMRP >> Would anyone have documentation handy covering the command syntax that >> will be used for cisco's DVMRP implementation? We missed the opportunity >> to beta this code and I'd like to familiarize myself with the syntax and >> capabilities ahead of time if possible (and cisco, please speak up if this >> isn't kosher :-) ftp.cisco.com:/ftp/dino/multicast/{Commands,Quickstart-dvmrp}. Dino From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 07 13:48:58 1994 Received: from feta.cisco.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <06039-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 10:22:34 +0000 Received: (dino@localhost) by feta.cisco.com (8.6.8+c/CISCO.SERVER.1.1) id KAA23730; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 10:21:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 10:21:57 -0700 From: Dino Farinacci Message-Id: <199409071721.KAA23730@feta.cisco.com> To: Sam.Wilson@edinburgh.ac.uk Cc: allen@stone.ucs.indiana.edu, rem-conf@es.net, cisco@spot.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: Sam Wilson's message of 07 Sep 94 09:29:20 BST <9409070929.aa23181@uk.ac.ed.festival> Subject: cisco's DVMRP >> Can you (Cisco) also tell us which release IP multicasting will be >> available? That will help me plan for the next time I need to upgrade >> routers. Would it also be fair to assume it won't be available in any >> release for csc/3 [:-(]? 10.2(1). We are currently discussing the feasibility of subset images. In which case, there is a possibility that a 10.2 image may fit on a CSC/3. Dino From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 08 04:35:02 1994 Received: from sun2.mhs-relay.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <12906-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 01:34:29 +0000 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.festival; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 09:34:20 +0100 Date: 08 Sep 94 09:34:10 BST From: Sam Wilson Subject: Re: cisco's DVMRP To: Dino Farinacci cc: allen@stone.ucs.indiana.edu, rem-conf@es.net, cisco@spot.colorado.edu Reply-to: Sam.Wilson@edinburgh.ac.uk In-reply-to: Your message <199409071721.KAA23730@feta.cisco.com> Message-ID: <9409080934.aa22874@uk.ac.ed.festival> > >> ... which release [for] IP multicasting ... > >> ...available ... for csc/3 [:-(]? > > 10.2(1). We are currently discussing the feasibility of subset images. > In which case, there is a possibility that a 10.2 image may fit on > a CSC/3. Brilliant - thank you Dino and Tony. Given the encouraging reply about csc/3s may I ask a couple of supplementary questions: 1) are subset images the same sort of idea as the levels of s/w available for the 2500? 2) is there any chance of a 10.2 subset with IP mcast being available for an IGS/R with 4M/512K? Thanks again, Sam Wilson Network Services Division Computing Services, The University of Edinburgh Edinburgh, Scotland, UK From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 08 09:02:36 1994 Received: from lager.cisco.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <14345-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 06:02:06 +0000 Received: (tli@localhost) by lager.cisco.com (8.6.8+c/CISCO.SERVER.1.1) id GAA29572; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 06:01:21 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 06:01:21 -0700 From: Tony Li Message-Id: <199409081301.GAA29572@lager.cisco.com> To: Sam.Wilson@edinburgh.ac.uk Cc: dino@cisco.com, allen@stone.ucs.indiana.edu, rem-conf@es.net, cisco@spot.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: Sam Wilson's message of 08 Sep 94 09:34:10 BST <9409080934.aa22874@uk.ac.ed.festival> Subject: cisco's DVMRP Brilliant - thank you Dino and Tony. Given the encouraging reply about csc/3s may I ask a couple of supplementary questions: 1) are subset images the same sort of idea as the levels of s/w available for the 2500? Please don't take that as too much encouragement. The problems of a couple of engineers don't amount to a hill o' beans, sweeheart... ;-) ;-( 2) is there any chance of a 10.2 subset with IP mcast being available for an IGS/R with 4M/512K? Techincally yes. However... Tony From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 08 10:22:43 1994 Received: from bnl.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <14698-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 07:22:13 +0000 Received: by bnl.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA10022; Thu, 8 Sep 94 10:22:47 -0400 Received: by sirius.ccd.bnl.gov (931110.SGI/930416.SGI) for @bnl.gov:rem-conf@es.net id AA12891; Thu, 8 Sep 94 10:22:08 -0400 From: Graham Campbell Message-Id: <9409081022.ZM12889@sirius.ccd.bnl.gov> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 10:22:08 -0400 Reply-To: gc@bnl.gov X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: wb vs. scanned images Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Does anyone have a good idea about how to get scanned images into the whiteboard? The problem of course is that the postscript for a scanned image tends to be very large (1MB is small). -- Graham gc@bnl.gov From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 08 11:49:31 1994 Received: from martha.washcoll.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <15130-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 08:48:50 +0000 Received: from myles.washcoll.edu by martha.washcoll.edu (5.4R2.01/200.1.1.4) id AA01695; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 13:15:42 -0400 Message-Id: <5118@myles.Washcoll.EDU> Date: 08 Sep 94 11:49:18 EDT From: Josh.Lawrence@Washcoll.EDU (Josh Lawrence) Subject: unsubscribe To: rem-conf@es.net unsubscribe me please From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 08 12:58:07 1994 Received: from cyceron.fr by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <15650-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 09:57:17 +0000 Received: from indigo1.cyceron.fr by aries.cyceron.fr via SMTP (920330.SGI/921123.CYCERON) for rem-conf@es.net id AA12003; Thu, 8 Sep 94 18:57:55 +0100 Received: by indigo1.cyceron.fr (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @aries.cyceron.fr:rem-conf@es.net id AA08226; Thu, 8 Sep 94 18:57:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 94 18:57:55 +0100 From: travere@indigo1.cyceron.fr (Jael.Travere@Cyceron.Fr) Message-Id: <9409081757.AA08226@indigo1.cyceron.fr> To: rem-conf@es.net members Jael.Travere@Cyceron.Fr ___________________________________________________________ J.M Travere, Ph. 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This information is also available in http://munin.fnal.gov/Mbone-Events/ind-aff.html. This session is being sent as audio + video with ttl=127. All times are in US/Central Daylight Savings Time (GMT-5) THURSDAY, September 8 ******************************************************************************* * 1:10 FERMILAB INDUSTRIAL AFFILIATES FOURTEENTH ANNUAL MEETING 1 West* * -5:00 AND INDUSTRY BRIEFING (For information call ext. 3333) * * "THE PROMISE OF NETWORKING - REAPING THE INFORMATION HARVEST" * * * * 1:30 Speaker: M. Roberts, Educom * * Title: The Evolution of Networks and NII * * * * 3:00 Speaker: P. Sinervo, University of Toronto * * Title: Networking & Data Collection in High Energy Physics * * * * 4:00 Speaker: R. 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Sinervo * * Title: Where Are We Going? * ******************************************************************************* From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 08 13:32:39 1994 Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <16176-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 10:29:39 +0000 Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA27106; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 13:26:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 13:26:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael C. Newell" Subject: NV vs DNS To: rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <9409060959.AA02139@betelgeuse.we.lc.ehu.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We were using NV V3.3-beta to set up a point-to-point conference today and noticed that it would not translate host names via DNS. The only names it will translate are those listed in the /etc/hosts file. This happened on several machines [SunOS 4.1.3 w/Resolv+ and Solaris 2.3], none of which exhibit this problem with other utilities. Is there a setup string in NV needed to enable DNS lookups? Thanks, Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | |+1-202-434-8954 | else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 08 14:52:17 1994 Received: from sgigate.SGI.COM by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <17141-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 11:51:04 +0000 Received: from yeager.corp.sgi.com (yeager.corp.sgi.com [192.102.145.23]) by sgigate.sgi.com (940519.SGI.8.6.9/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA23838; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 11:50:59 -0700 Received: by yeager.corp.sgi.com (940719.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id LAA22681; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 11:51:26 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 11:51:26 -0700 From: lear@yeager.corp.sgi.com (Eliot Lear) Message-Id: <199409081851.LAA22681@yeager.corp.sgi.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Cypherpunks Meeting at Silicon Graphics Hi! On Saturday, September 10, SGI will host the third anniversary Cypherpunks meeting in Cafe Iris (Building 5) in Mountain View, CA. The meeting is scheduled to run from noon till 6:00pm (US/Pacific). We intend to make available both audio and video during that time as follows: Address: 224.2.240.143 Audio: 42778/32069 Video: 45041/24026 I have not been given a complete agenda, but I am told that much of the discussion will focus on Crypto-94. Please address agenda questions to Eric Hughes (hughes@ah.com). Thanks! From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 08 15:22:00 1994 Received: from 192.197.157.2 by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <17342-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 12:19:24 +0000 Received: FROM BR400.development2.zoomit.com BY development2.zoomit.com ; 8 SEP 94 15:19:56 EDT Date: 8 SEP 94 15:17:11 EDT From: LClement@zoomit.com Subject: Please Unsubscribe To: rem-conf@es.net X-Mailer: 2.3.5 ZOOMIT X.400/SMTP Dual Stack X-Complete-Subject: Please Unsubscribe X-Original-Information-Types: iA5Text X-Original-MHS-ID: US/ATTMAIL/ZOOMIT/0000sgckwysg X-Original-UA-Identifier: N=Luc Clement;C=US;A=ATTMAIL;P=ZOOMIT;O=softw are;zoomit/MSG=0000sgckwysg X-Delivered: Thu Sep 8 15:18:29 1994 X-Disclose-Recipients: Yes X-Prohibit-Conversion: No X-Alternate-Recipient-Allowed: Yes X-Return-Contents-Requested: No Message-ID: <0000wwoggmaa.0000sgckwysg@zoomit.com> Please unsubsribe clement@alex.disem.dnd.ca (aka clement@disem.dnd.ca) Thank you. From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 08 16:02:31 1994 Received: from Sun.COM by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <17620-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 13:01:10 +0000 Received: from Central.Sun.COM (central.Central.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA19163; Thu, 8 Sep 94 13:01:00 PDT Received: from greatlakes.Central.Sun.COM (greatlakesbb.Central.Sun.COM) by Central.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-5.3) id AA17721; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:01:01 +0600 Received: from iota.Central.Sun.COM by greatlakes.Central.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-5.3-900117) id AA17732; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:56:09 +0500 Received: by iota.Central.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00516; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 16:00:21 +0500 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 16:00:21 +0500 From: mfraeyman@greatlakes.Central.Sun.COM (Mark Fraeyman Sun SE- Detroit) Message-Id: <9409082000.AA00516@iota.Central.Sun.COM> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: cuseeme information X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 149 To whom it may concern, Is there a port in the works for cuseeme to Sun Solaris 2.X? thnx for any information. -mark fraeyman -sun microsystems From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 08 17:56:33 1994 Received: from faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <01810-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:54:58 +0000 Received: from faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de by uni-erlangen.de with SMTP; id AA03433 (5.65c-6/7.3w-FAU); Thu, 8 Sep 1994 23:54:40 +0200 Received: from faui45r.informatik.uni-erlangen.de by immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de with SMTP; id AA04906 (5.65c-6/7.3m-FAU); Thu, 8 Sep 1994 23:54:39 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert Message-Id: <199409082154.AA04906@faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Subject: Re: wb vs. scanned images To: gc@bnl.gov Date: Thu, 8 Sep 94 23:54:33 MET DST Cc: rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <9409081022.ZM12889@sirius.ccd.bnl.gov>; from "Graham Campbell" at Sep 8, 94 10:22 am Organisation: CSD IMMD IV, University of Erlangen, Germany X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > Does anyone have a good idea about how to get scanned images into the > whiteboard? The problem of course is that the postscript for a scanned image > tends to be very large (1MB is small). I would try to install ghostscript-3.0 and write a small program to convert bitmap images into jpeg postscript, that tends to be quite small. There is also some similar compression algorithm for bilevel pictures, but i neither remember the name or rthe fact wether it is part of postscript level 2. From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 08 18:54:43 1994 Received: from merlot.arc.nasa.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <02091-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:52:42 +0000 Received: from localhost.arc.nasa.gov by merlot.arc.nasa.gov (8.6.8/1.35) id PAA24450; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:54:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199409082254.PAA24450@merlot.arc.nasa.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net cc: anaops@atlas.arc.nasa.gov Subject: STS-64 Coverage... Reply-to: awdeacon@atlas.arc.nasa.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 08 Sep 1994 15:54:14 -0700 From: Alex Deacon - NAIC We are planning to broadcast NASA's STS-64 Shuttle Mission starting September 9, 1994 at 19:30 GMT (15:30 EDT, 12:30 PDT). The actual launch is scheduled for 20:30 GMT (16:30 EDT, 13:30 PDT), weather permitting. For more information concerning the details of this mission please see http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/sts-64/mission-sts-64.html As always, we will be standing by to reduce bandwidth to share the MBONE. Please feel free to direct any questions or concerns to anaops@atlas.arc.nasa.gov. Regards, Alex --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Deacon NAIC Email: naic@nasa.gov Network Applications and NAIC 800 #: 800-858-9947 Information Center (NAIC) NAIC Phone: 415-604-0600 NASA Ames Research Center M/S 204-100 Email: awdeacon@atlas.arc.nasa.gov Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 Phone: 415-604-0752 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 08 18:58:16 1994 Received: from alpha.Xerox.COM by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <02128-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:57:18 +0000 Received: from ecco.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.196]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14431(2)>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:57:05 PDT Received: from localhost by ecco.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <16136>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:56:58 -0700 To: "Michael C. Newell" cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: NV vs DNS In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Sep 94 10:26:10 PDT." X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5gamma 8/15/94 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:56:46 PDT Sender: Ron Frederick From: Ron Frederick Message-Id: <94Sep8.155658pdt.16136@ecco.parc.xerox.com> In message you write: > We were using NV V3.3-beta to set up a point-to-point conference today > and noticed that it would not translate host names via DNS. The only > names it will translate are those listed in the /etc/hosts file. This > happened on several machines [SunOS 4.1.3 w/Resolv+ and Solaris 2.3], > none of which exhibit this problem with other utilities. Is there a > setup string in NV needed to enable DNS lookups? > The distributed nv binary for SunOS 4.1.3 is statically linked against the standard SunOS libc, which uses NIS for doing host resolution. If your NIS server is set up to do DNS lookups, nv will get them that way. If you run DNS on your local machine and you don't run NIS, you're out of luck unless you build your own nv binary with your locally hacked libc. I've thought about trying to dynamically link against just libc, but gcc isn't very friendly about that -- it wants all-static or all-dynamic linking. The Solaris 2.x nv binary should honor the /etc/nsswitch information about where to do lookups. -- Ron Frederick frederick@parc.xerox.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 08 20:06:52 1994 Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <02414-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 16:52:11 +0000 Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA28777; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 19:49:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 19:48:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael C. Newell" Subject: Re: NV vs DNS To: Ron Frederick cc: rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <94Sep8.155658pdt.16136@ecco.parc.xerox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Ron Frederick wrote: > The distributed nv binary for SunOS 4.1.3 is statically linked against the > standard SunOS libc, which uses NIS for doing host resolution. If your NIS > server is set up to do DNS lookups, nv will get them that way. If you run DNS > on your local machine and you don't run NIS, you're out of luck unless you > build your own nv binary with your locally hacked libc. I've thought about > trying to dynamically link against just libc, but gcc isn't very friendly > about that -- it wants all-static or all-dynamic linking. That explains it - we don't run NIS and (of course!) you can't provide a binary for EVERY resolver replacement scheme... I'll rebuild the binaries as you suggest. Thanks!! > > The Solaris 2.x nv binary should honor the /etc/nsswitch information about > where to do lookups. Hmmm... The other end is running Solaris but I don't have any idea how it's set up. Oh well, not my problem... :{) :{) :{) Thanks, Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | |+1-202-434-8954 | else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 08 20:43:14 1994 Received: from everest.cclabs.missouri.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <02753-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 17:36:43 +0000 Received: from sgi2.phlab.missouri.edu (sgi2.phlab.missouri.edu [128.206.115.32]) by everest.cclabs.missouri.edu (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA04855; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 19:36:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 19:34:43 +36000 From: Paul 'Shag' Walmsley X-Sender: ccshag@sgi2.phlab.missouri.edu To: Mark Fraeyman Sun SE- Detroit cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: cuseeme information In-Reply-To: <9409082000.AA00516@iota.Central.Sun.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Mark Fraeyman Sun SE- Detroit wrote: > To whom it may concern, > > Is there a port in the works for cuseeme to Sun Solaris 2.X? > I don't know about cuseeme, but nv 3.3 can both receive and transmit CU-SeeMe video streams, I believe. - Paul "Shag" Walmsley "I am learning and evolving." From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 08 23:31:00 1994 Received: from jacks.gsfc.nasa.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <03438-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 20:30:34 +0000 Received: by jacks.gsfc.nasa.gov (4.1/1.35) id AA00936; Thu, 8 Sep 94 23:35:28 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 23:35:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Shahed I. Husain" Subject: Re: cuseeme information To: Mark Fraeyman Sun SE- Detroit Cc: rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <9409082000.AA00516@iota.Central.Sun.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Mark Fraeyman Sun SE- Detroit wrote: > To whom it may concern, > > Is there a port in the works for cuseeme to Sun Solaris 2.X? > > > thnx for any information. > > > -mark fraeyman > -sun microsystems > I am not sure what you are asking for but as far as I am concerned you can receieve audio/video signal on a Sun transmitted from a mac (pc Cu-SeeMe does not have audio) but if you try to send a signal using other than a mac or a pc then they will not receieve the signal you are sending. According to the documnetations from Cornell, Cu-SeeMe does not support the Unix workstations yet but if you want to do a multiparty conference using Cu-SeeMe you need a reflector which has to be a Unix workstation. Shahed Husain From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 09 02:47:04 1994 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <03988-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 23:46:42 +0000 Received: from xfr.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-18) id ; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 23:46:38 -0700 Posted-Date: Thu 8 Sep 94 23:45:31 PDT Received: by xfr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id ; Thu, 8 Sep 94 23:45:32 PDT Date: Thu 8 Sep 94 23:45:31 PDT From: Stephen Casner Subject: Question about RTCP type space partitioning To: rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: <779093131.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> Mail-System-Version: In the Audio/Video Transport working group meeting at IETF in Toronto, I made the suggestion that we should partition the RTCP control packet type code space among the main spec, profiles, and formats as had been done with option codes in RTPv1. The purpose is to allow separate profiles to each allocate and re-use a portion of the space without having to worry about conflicts, and the same for format specs such as H.261. There was general agreement with this suggestion. However, as I went to write a paragraph about this for the spec, I ran into a problem as noted below. Here is the text I've modified from the RTPv1 spec: An application may discard control packets with types unknown to it. The type number range is divided into three regions. Types 0 through 127 are general RTCP control packet types, their syntax and semantics independent of the data format or any profile. Types 128 through 191 are specific to a particular profile, but valid for any format used under that profile. Types 192 through 255 are specific to a format as defined by the four-character name registered with the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA); these types may be described in a profile or format specification. Format-specific control packets are parsed according to the format selected by the payload type field in the RTP data header****. All type numbers are reserved and registered with IANA. The APP control packet allows application-specific extensions not registered with IANA. **** Note that there are potential synchronization problems with this proposal. Since the data and control packets are separate, format-specific control packets may be interpreted incorrectly if they are sent near the same time as the payload type is changing. Should we instead specify that the format-specific region of the space is shared among all formats (common across all formats), thus requiring allocation via IANA but making the interpretation of them independent of the payload type code received in the data packets? And if so, should a larger portion of the space be allocated to this region than in my initial allocation? Or is there a need to synchronize format specific control operations with the current format (payload type) selection anyway? If so, how should this be specified and is some additional mechanism required? -- Steve ------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 09 03:01:49 1994 Received: from nic.cerf.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <04183-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 00:01:07 +0000 Received: from calvin.vigra.com (vigra.com [134.24.6.112]) by nic.cerf.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA26192 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 00:00:57 -0700 Received: from susie.vigra.com by calvin.vigra.com (4.1/Vigra-8.11-extern) id AA23916; Thu, 8 Sep 94 22:40:15 PDT Received: from casper by susie.vigra.com (4.1/Vigra-8.11-smtp) id AA25166; Thu, 8 Sep 94 22:40:14 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Sep 94 22:40:14 PDT Message-Id: <9409090540.AA25166@susie.vigra.com> X-Sender: dfridley@server.vigra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rem-conf@es.net From: dfridley@vigra.com (David Fridley) Subject: Re: cuseeme information X-Mailer: >> Is there a port in the works for cuseeme to Sun Solaris 2.X? >I don't know about cuseeme, but nv 3.3 can both receive and transmit >CU-SeeMe video streams, I believe. NEAT! The nv CHANGES file says "Added support for decoding of CUSeeMe video, when it is run through an "appropriate gateway to use the RTP header format. We have nv on SunOS 4.1.3 (with VigraPix) and CUSeeMe on Windows 3.1 (with VideoSpigot) and it's all on one ethernet. But how do we get them to cooperate? Unfortunately we are not on MBONE yet. I'm trying, but all we have is a 'wonderful' 14.4K SLIP connection at the moment. Thanks! d. David Fridley Vigra; 6044A Cornerstone Ct.;San Diego, CA 92121 (619) 597-7080; (619) 597-7094 FAX; dfridley@vigra.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 09 05:14:08 1994 Received: from ncc.ripe.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <05182-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 02:13:16 +0000 Received: from belegen.ripe.net by ncc.ripe.net with SMTP id AA02689 (5.65a/NCC-2.6); Fri, 9 Sep 1994 11:12:58 +0200 Received: from localhost.ripe.net by belegen.ripe.net with SMTP id AA03521 (5.65a/NCC-2.2); Fri, 9 Sep 1994 11:12:57 +0200 Message-Id: <9409090912.AA03521@belegen.ripe.net> To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: mbone@isi.edu Subject: Bug in netinet/ip_mroute.c From: Geert Jan de Groot X-Organization: RIPE Network Coordination Centre X-Phone: +31 20 592 5065 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 1994 11:12:56 +0200 Sender: GeertJan.deGroot@ripe.net A couple of people have asked me for these messages on some bugs in ip_mroute.c that affect all machines that have to swap bytes to get from machine order to network order. Enjoy, Geert Jan --- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 15:51:30 CDT To: mccanne@horse.ee.lbl.gov cc: Geert Jan de Groot From: Mike Karels Subject: bug in ip_mroute.c Hi, Steve, I asked earlier about a problem with a panic: m_copym when acting as a multicast router. I found the problem (really, this time :-). It is in the multicast code. The problem is that if an incoming packet is forwarded first via phyint_send and then via encap_send, and if the header is in an mbuf cluster, then ip_output swaps the ip_len field when doing output. It modifies the original header, so that when encap_send forwards the same packet, the length is now huge. (In the case we caught, a 380-byte packet turned into a 26625-byte packet after adding the header.) This might not be a problem on other systems, which might always do a pullup on the IP header in ipintr. We tested a quick fix, which is to add the following just after the m_copy in phyint_send: if (mb_copy) mb_copy = m_pullup(mb_copy, sizeof(struct ip)); This prevents the crash, and a machine with this fix is now happily running on the mbone. (Before, it crashed instantly.) In the meantime, I found that the m_pkthdr.len field was not being set in some paths, and cleaned up the fix to pullup the entire header (in case there are options that get updated). Also, the srcrt_send routine had some similar problems. I changed it so that it adjusts the IP header after copying rather than before, and also copies any additional options. A patch with all of these changes is appended (untested). Care to take a look? I have been unsuccessful in testing this stuff here. I tried to set up a tunnel between two of my machines over a SLIP interface. However, they were also connected by Ethernet (both machines mount /usr by NFS), and I got nothing but mrouted packets over the SLIP link. I tried bumping up the metric of the Ethernet, but that didn't help. Any suggestions on how to set up a test? I can run this with 4.4-Lite on one machine with a local /usr and no ether connection, but I have not yet started work on the netinet code in Lite. I used a second Ethernet on one machine and a point-to-point link on the other machine as the addresses for the tunnel, as otherwise mrouted realizes that it doesn't need the tunnel. Mike *** /cdrom/sys/netinet/ip_mroute.c Mon Jan 31 16:24:56 1994 --- ip_mroute.c Thu Aug 25 15:27:32 1994 *************** *** 841,849 **** --- 841,858 ---- register struct mbuf *mb_copy; register struct ip_moptions *imo; register int error; + int hlen = ip->ip_hl << 2; struct ip_moptions simo; + /* + * Make a new reference to the packet; make sure that + * the IP header is actually copied, not just referenced, + * so that modifications to this copy are not made + * to the original when we call ip_output. + */ mb_copy = m_copy(m, 0, M_COPYALL); + if (mb_copy) + mb_copy = m_pullup(mb_copy, hlen); if (mb_copy == NULL) return; *************** *** 864,869 **** --- 873,879 ---- { register struct mbuf *mb_copy, *mb_opts; register struct ip *ip_copy; + int hlen = ip->ip_hl << 2; register int error; register u_char *cp; *************** *** 879,913 **** mb_copy = m_copy(m, 0, M_COPYALL); if (mb_copy == NULL) return; - ip_copy = mtod(mb_copy, struct ip *); - ip_copy->ip_ttl--; - ip_copy->ip_dst = vifp->v_rmt_addr; /* remote tunnel end-point */ - /* - * Adjust the ip header length to account for the tunnel options. - */ - ip_copy->ip_hl += TUNNEL_LEN >> 2; - ip_copy->ip_len += TUNNEL_LEN; MGETHDR(mb_opts, M_DONTWAIT, MT_HEADER); if (mb_opts == NULL) { m_freem(mb_copy); return; } /* ! * 'Delete' the base ip header from the mb_copy chain */ ! mb_copy->m_len -= IP_HDR_LEN; ! mb_copy->m_data += IP_HDR_LEN; /* * Make mb_opts be the new head of the packet chain. - * Any options of the packet were left in the old packet chain head */ mb_opts->m_next = mb_copy; ! mb_opts->m_len = IP_HDR_LEN + TUNNEL_LEN; mb_opts->m_data += MSIZE - mb_opts->m_len; /* ! * Copy the base ip header from the mb_copy chain to the new head mbuf */ ! bcopy((caddr_t)ip_copy, mtod(mb_opts, caddr_t), IP_HDR_LEN); /* * Add the NOP and LSRR after the base ip header */ --- 889,923 ---- mb_copy = m_copy(m, 0, M_COPYALL); if (mb_copy == NULL) return; MGETHDR(mb_opts, M_DONTWAIT, MT_HEADER); if (mb_opts == NULL) { m_freem(mb_copy); return; } /* ! * 'Delete' the ip header from the mb_copy chain */ ! mb_copy->m_len -= hlen; ! mb_copy->m_data += hlen; /* * Make mb_opts be the new head of the packet chain. */ mb_opts->m_next = mb_copy; ! mb_opts->m_len = hlen + TUNNEL_LEN; mb_opts->m_data += MSIZE - mb_opts->m_len; + mb_opts->m_pkthdr.len = mb_copy->m_pkthdr.len + TUNNEL_LEN; + /* + * Copy the ip header from the mb_copy chain to the new head mbuf + */ + bcopy((caddr_t)ip_copy, mtod(mb_opts, caddr_t), hlen); + ip_copy = mtod(mb_opts, struct ip *); + ip_copy->ip_ttl--; + ip_copy->ip_dst = vifp->v_rmt_addr; /* remote tunnel end-point */ /* ! * Adjust the ip header length to account for the tunnel options. */ ! ip_copy->ip_hl += TUNNEL_LEN >> 2; ! ip_copy->ip_len += TUNNEL_LEN; /* * Add the NOP and LSRR after the base ip header */ *************** *** 953,958 **** --- 963,969 ---- mb_copy = m_pullup(mb_copy, i); if (mb_copy == NULL) return; + mb_copy->m_pkthdr.len = len + sizeof(multicast_encap_iphdr); /* * fill in the encapsulating IP header. --- Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 16:13:49 PDT To: thyagara@parc.xerox.com, deering@parc.xerox.com cc: karels@BSDI.COM, van@ee.lbl.gov, GeertJan.deGroot@ripe.net From: mccanne@ee.lbl.gov (Steven McCanne) Subject: bug in ip_mroute.c Mike Karels and Geert Jan de Groot found an "endian bug" in phyint_send(). I say "endian bug" in quotes because it's not a straightforward type of endian bug. Rather, the problem is that ip_output() modifies the IP header (by smashing certain fields to network byte order) and if the header happens to be in a cluster, the copy is shared even though phyint_send() does an m_copy(). Mike's fix was to have phyint_send() pullup the IP header so we're guaranteed that ip_output will not modify the cluster portion of the packet. srcrt_send() has similar problems. (Maybe it's time for the srcrt_send() to go away, while of course, keeping the inbound support.) Anyway, Mike's description, which is much better than mine, is below. His patches are against the BSD/386 port of the code. (I did check the version you released today, and the problem is still there.) Steve (original message from Mike removed as it is shown above)) From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 09 09:26:08 1994 Received: from bgate.lut.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <06217-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 06:25:45 +0000 Received: from tau.lut.ac.uk by hpd.lut.ac.uk (15.11/SMI-4.1) id AA12933; Fri, 9 Sep 94 14:25:04 bst Date: Fri, 9 Sep 94 14:25:04 bst Message-Id: <9409091325.AA12933@hpd.lut.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora v1.3.1 To: dfridley@vigra.com (David Fridley), rem-conf@es.net From: LUTCHI-WWW@lut.ac.uk (LUTCHI WWW Group) X-Sender: cobax1@hpd Subject: nv <-> CU-SeeMe (was Re: cuseeme information) At 10:40 pm 8/9/94 -0700, David Fridley wrote: >>> Is there a port in the works for cuseeme to Sun Solaris 2.X? >>I don't know about cuseeme, but nv 3.3 can both receive and transmit >>CU-SeeMe video streams, I believe. > Not quite. nv 3.2 could display CU-SeeMe streams but a change to the RTP headers in nv 3.3 means that this later version cannot. However, a fix to the reflector (to translate into the latest RTP header format) should solve the problem. I believe someone at NASA has done this but this code doesn't seem to have filtered out into the Cornell reflector releases as yet. (hint, hint ;-)) CU-SeeMe cannot display nv streams yet. >NEAT! > >The nv CHANGES file says > "Added support for decoding of CUSeeMe video, when it is run through an > "appropriate gateway to use the RTP header format. > That was for 3.2 - see above - the current Cornell reflector does not (yet) act as an appropriate gateway. >We have nv on SunOS 4.1.3 (with VigraPix) and CUSeeMe on Windows 3.1 >(with VideoSpigot) and it's all on one ethernet. But how do we get them to >cooperate? > >Unfortunately we are not on MBONE yet. I'm trying, but all we have is a at the moment, the only way I have successfully got such interworking is to have nv3.2 on a multicast sun, a multicast enabled reflector, and CU-SeeMe on a couple of macs. Use the MCTONV (or whatever it is) switch to multicast all streams from the reflector and then have nv pick up these packets. Note that you don't need to be on the MBONE in order to multicast on your ethernet - just build in the multicast kernel patches to the sun/s you've got. Also remember that video from nv cannot be displayed by CU-SeeMe so such interwprking is actually pretty one way. hope that helps Ben ****************************************************************************** On behalf of: The World Wide Web Group LUTCHI Research Centre Dept Computer Studies University of Technology Loughborough Leicestershire UK Tel:+44 (0)509 222789 Email: LUTCHI-WWW@lut.ac.uk CU-SeeMe:158.125.96.20 Web Server. Email courtesy of Eudora. From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 09 10:17:32 1994 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <06502-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 07:17:12 +0000 Received: from hardees.rutgers.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA07624; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:17:09 EDT Received: by hardees.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA16483; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:17:07 EDT To: ru-comp-dev-ietf-rem-conf@rutgers.edu Path: hardees.rutgers.edu!not-for-mail From: dpz@hardees.rutgers.edu (David Paul Zimmerman) Newsgroups: ru.comp.dev.ietf.rem-conf Subject: Update on Interop MBone transmissions Date: 9 Sep 1994 10:17:05 -0400 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 30 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <34pqp1$g31@hardees.rutgers.edu> Last night we got the first of our Internet connections stable, so I'm planning to start transmissions soon. Initially, we'll be mcasting the Interop NOC. Later, when we get other cameras in place, I'm planning to mcast locations like the show floor. I've also got a couple of VCRs and a laserdisc player, so I can also play some prerecorded tapes of past shows being built to break the monotony. I expect that transmissions will start sometime this evening after the FNAL event and, excepting tomorrow evening for the BBN event, will continue through the weekend of Sat 17 Sep. I'm not sure exactly when it will stop; the exhibition in particular ends Wed 14, the show itself ends Fri 16, and various stages of teardown happen from the 14th through the 17th. I'd like to transmit through as much of the teardown as I can. I plan to pause transmission at night, since I won't be near the transmitter, unless I can find a sucke... uh... volunteer to watch things. Note that we've got fairly complete IP mcast coverage within the InteropNet, so Interop exhibitors will be able to connect to our interior mcast mesh, and will be able to reach the MBone through our SURAnet tunnel. I've rate_limited that tunnel to 192Kbps for now to help prevent the usual user mishaps from unduly affecting the MBone. Note that, without filtering, I can't prevent exhibitors from setting up their own tunnels and circumventing our IP mcast mesh and restrictions. If any of this becomes a problem, let me know and I'll look into it. I'm starting off conservatively on the rate_limit for now, but I wouldn't mind upping it a little higher if nobody sees a problem with that. dp -- David Paul Zimmerman dpz@noc.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Network Operations rutgers!dpz From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 09 12:34:32 1994 Received: from mail.ncku.edu.tw by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <07323-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 09:33:44 +0000 Received: by mail.ncku.edu.tw (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA06254; Sat, 10 Sep 94 00:35:38 CST From: ckwen@mail.ncku.edu.tw (Short Circuit) Message-Id: <9409091635.AA06254@mail.ncku.edu.tw> Subject: Recorded nv_vat sessions To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 00:35:37 +0800 (WST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 567 Does anyone know where to find ftp sites to get some recorded sessions ? I suppose it's useful for those people who would like to replay the programs or to test their multicast applicastions on their local multicast net. Cheng-Kang Wen ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cheng-Kang Wen E-mail: ckwen@mail.ncku.edu.tw Distributed Systems Lab. Institute of Electrical Engineering National Cheng Kung University Tainan Taiwan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 09 13:55:46 1994 Received: from wizard.gsfc.nasa.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <07782-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 10:55:13 +0000 Received: by wizard.gsfc.nasa.gov (5.65/1.35) id AA14823; Fri, 9 Sep 94 13:53:49 -0400 From: bill@wizard.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bill Fink) Message-Id: <9409091753.AA14823@wizard.gsfc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: nv <-> CU-SeeMe (was Re: cuseeme information) To: LUTCHI-WWW@lut.ac.uk (LUTCHI WWW Group) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 13:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dfridley@vigra.com, rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <9409091325.AA12933@hpd.lut.ac.uk> from "LUTCHI WWW Group" at Sep 9, 94 02:25:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 996 > >>I don't know about cuseeme, but nv 3.3 can both receive and transmit > >>CU-SeeMe video streams, I believe. > > Not quite. nv 3.2 could display CU-SeeMe streams but a change to the RTP > headers in nv 3.3 means that this later version cannot. However, a fix to > the reflector (to translate into the latest RTP header format) should solve > the problem. I believe someone at NASA has done this but this code doesn't > seem to have filtered out into the Cornell reflector releases as yet. > (hint, hint ;-)) I've been informed by the responsible person at Cornell that a new release of the CU-SeeMe Reflector code will be imminently available. It will incorporate the changes to the RTP header format required by nv 3.3. > CU-SeeMe cannot display nv streams yet. Stay tuned for the Cornell folks to announce the new Reflector release. It has lots of cool new functionality we've all been anxiously awaiting! I for one would like to thank them for their efforts in this area. -Bill From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 09 15:25:46 1994 Received: from 192.100.58.2 by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09056-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 12:25:10 +0000 Received: from collage (collage.eit.COM) by eitech.eit.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03043; Fri, 9 Sep 94 12:24:36 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Sep 94 12:24:36 PDT From: vinay@eit.COM (Vinay Kumar) Message-Id: <9409091924.AA03043@eitech.eit.com> To: ckwen@mail.ncku.edu.tw Subject: Re: Recorded nv_vat sessions Cc: rem-conf@es.net Try http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/mbone/ and/or http://www.it.kth.se/~klemets/vatplay.html -- Vinay Kumar vinay@eit.com --------------- > From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 9 12:15:13 1994 > From: ckwen@mail.ncku.edu.tw (Short Circuit) > > > Does anyone know where to find ftp sites to get some recorded sessions ? > I suppose it's useful for those people who would like to replay the > programs or to test their multicast applicastions on their local > multicast net. > > Cheng-Kang Wen > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Cheng-Kang Wen E-mail: ckwen@mail.ncku.edu.tw > Distributed Systems Lab. > Institute of Electrical Engineering > National Cheng Kung University > Tainan > Taiwan > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 09 19:48:17 1994 Received: from cs.rpi.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <11494-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 16:47:37 +0000 Received: from colossus.cs.rpi.edu by cs.rpi.edu (5.67a/1.4-RPI-CS-Dept) id AA05948; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 19:42:41 -0400 (glinert from colossus.cs.rpi.edu) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:42:40 EDT From: glinert@cs.rpi.edu Received: by colossus.cs.rpi.edu (4.1/2.2-RPI-CS-client) id AA12313; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:42:40 EDT Message-Id: <9409092342.AA12313@colossus.cs.rpi.edu> To: end2end-interest@venera.isi.edu, f-troup@AURORA.CIS.UPENN.EDU, ietf@venera.isi.edu, ir-l%uccvma.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu, rem-conf-request@es.net, rem-conf@es.net, sound@PASCAL.ACM.ORG, tccc@cs.umass.edu Subject: ACM ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES '94 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ADVANCE PROGRAM AND REGISTRATION FORMS ASSETS '94 The First Annual International ACM/SIGCAPH Conference on Assistive Technologies October 31 - November 1, 1994 Doubletree Marina del Rey Hotel Los Angeles, California Sponsored by the ACM's Special Interest Group on Computers and the Physically Handicapped, ASSETS '94 is the first of a new annual series of conferences whose goal is to provide a forum where researchers and developers from academia and industry can meet to exchange ideas and report on new developments relating to computer-based systems to help people with impairments and disabilities of all kinds. This announcement includes 5 parts: o ASSETS '94 Advance Program o ASSETS '94 Registration Form o Hotel and Travel Arrangement Information o ACM / SIGCAPH Membership Application o Who are the organizers of ASSETS '94? If you have any questions or would Ephraim P. Glinert like further information, please Dept. of Computer Science contact the ASSETS '94 Program Chair: R. P. I. Troy, NY 12180 E-mail: glinert@cs.rpi.edu /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ASSETS '94 ADVANCE PROGRAM ========================== SUN 10/30: 18:00-21:00 Registration 19:00-21:00 Reception MON 10/31: 8:00-17:00 Registration 8:00- 9:00 Continental Breakfast 8:45- 9:00 Welcome to ASSETS '94! 9:00-10:00 Keynote I 10:00-10:30 Break 10:30-12:00 Papers I: Hearing Impairments "Pattern Recognition and Synthesis for Sign Language Translation System" Masaru Ohki, Hirohiko Sagawa, Tomoko Sakiyama, Eiji Oohira, Hisashi Ikeda and Hiromichi Fujisawa - Hitachi (Japan) "Multimedia Dictionary of American Sign Language" Sherman Wilcox and Joanne Scheibman - University New Mexico (USA) Doug Wood - Brains Software (USA) William C. Stokoe - Linstok Press (USA) "A System for Teaching Speech to Profoundly Deaf Children using Synthesized Acoustic and Articulatory Patterns" Elizabeth Keate, Hector Javkin, Norma Antonanzas-Barroso and Ranjun Zou - Panasonic Technologies (USA) 12:00-14:00 Lunch + SIGCAPH Business Meeting 14:00-15:00 Papers II: Augmentative Communication A "Iconic Language Design for People with Significant Speech and Multiple Impairments" P. L. Albacete, S. K. Chang and G. Polese - University of Pittsburgh (USA) B. Baker - Semantic Compaction Systems (USA) "The Application of Spatialization and Spatial Metaphor to Augmentative and Alternative Communication" Patrick Demasco, U. Delaware (USA), Alan F. Newell and John L. Arnott - University of Dundee (UK) 15:00-15:30 Break 15:30-17:30 Papers III: Vision Impairments A "Screen Reader/2: Access to OS/2 and the Graphical User Interface" Jim Thatcher - IBM Research (USA) "Providing Access to Graphical User Interfaces - Not Graphical Screens" W. Keith Edwards, Elizabeth D. Mynatt and Kathryn Stockton - Georgia Institute of Technology (USA) "Increasing Access to Information for the Print Disabled through Electronic Documents in SGML" Bart Bauwens, Jan Engelen and Filip Evenepoel - Katholieke Universiteit Leuven (Belgium) Tom Wesley and Chris Tobin - U. Bradford (UK) "Interactive Audio Documents" T. V. Raman, Digital Equipment Corporation (USA) David Gries, Cornell (USA) 18:00-21:00 Buffet Dinner + Keynote II 21:00-22:00 ASSETS '95 Organizational Meeting TUE 11/1: 8:00-12:00 Registration 8:00- 9:00 Continental Breakfast 9:00-10:00 Papers IV: Motor Impairments "An Overview of Programs and Projects at the Rehabilitation Research and Development Center" David L. Jaffe - Dept. of Veteran Affairs Medical Center (USA) "Using the Baby-Babble-Blanket for Infants with Motor Problems: A Case Study" Harriet J. Fell, Linda J. Ferrier, Hariklia Delta, Regina Peterson, Zehra Mooraj and Megan Valleau - Northeastern University (USA) 10:00-10:30 Break 10:30-12:00 Papers V: Vision Impairments B "Personal Guidance System for the Visually Impaired" Jack M. Loomis and Reginald G. Golledge - University of California at Santa Barbara (USA) Roberta L. Klatzky, Carnegie Mellon (USA) Jon M. Speigle and Jerome Tietz - University of California at Santa Barbara (USA) "Hyperbraille: A Hypertext System for the Blind" Thomas Kieninger and Norbert Kuhn - Deutsches Forschungszentrum fuer Kuenstliche Intelligenz (Germany) "Automatic Impact Sound Generation for use in Nonvisual Interfaces" Helmut Schauer - University of Zurich (Switzerland) A. Darvishi, V. Guggiana, E. Munteanu, M. Motavalli and M. Rauterberg - Swiss Federal Institute of Technology/ETH (Switzerland) 12:00-14:00 Lunch + Panel (Elizabeth Mynatt, moderator) 14:00-15:00 Papers VI: Augmentative Communication B "A Writing Tool for Physically Disabled Individuals: Lexical Semantics for Filling in the Pieces" Kathleen F. McCoy, Patrick W. Demasco, Mark A. Jones, Christopher A. Pennington, Peter B. Vanderheyden and Wendy M. Zickus - University of Delaware (USA) "Validation of a Keystroke-Level Model for a Text Entry System Used by People with Disabilities" Heidi H. Koester and Simon P. Levine - University of Michigan (USA) 15:00-15:30 Break 15:30-17:30 Papers VII: New Directions and Work-in-Progress "An Experimental Sound-Based Hierarchical Menu Navigation System for Visually Handicapped Use of Graphical User Interfaces" Arthur I. Karshmer, Pres Brawner and George Reiswig - New Mexico State University (USA) "A Rule-Based System that Suggests Computer Adaptations for Users with Special Needs" William W. McMillan, Michael Zeiger and Lech Wisniewski - Eastern Michigan University (USA) "LVRS: The Low Vision Research System" Mitchell Krell, University of Southern Mississippi (USA) "EEG as a Means of Communication: Preliminary Experiments in EEG Analysis using Neural Networks" Charles W. Anderson, Saikumar V. Devulapalli and Erik Stolz - Colorado State University (USA) "Audio Formatting of a Graph" Sophie H. Zhang and Mukkai Krishnamoorthy - Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (USA) "Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking and Technology (DO-IT) on the Electronic Highway" Sheryl Bergstahler and Dan Comden - University of Washington (USA) 17:30 Close ASSETS '94 REGISTRATION FORM ############################################# ============================ This form is 2 pages long. Please print it out, complete both pages and mail it WITH FULL PAYMENT to: Ephraim P. Glinert, ASSETS '94 Dept. of Computer Science R. P. I. 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Troy, NY 12180 E-mail: glinert@cs.rpi.edu /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 09 21:13:39 1994 Received: from fedney.near.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <12008-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 18:13:18 +0000 Received: (liam@localhost) by fedney.near.net (8.6.8/8.6.4-liam(fedney)) id VAA11543; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 21:13:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199409100113.VAA11543@fedney.near.net> From: liam@near.net (L. Sean Kennedy) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 21:13:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: lear@yeager.corp.sgi.com (Eliot Lear), rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Cypherpunks Meeting at Silicon Graphics Cc: liam@fedney.near.net, long@fedney.near.net On Sep 8, 11:51am, Eliot Lear wrote: Hi Eliot! > On Saturday, September 10, SGI will host the third anniversary > Cypherpunks meeting in Cafe Iris (Building 5) in Mountain View, CA. > The meeting is scheduled to run from noon till 6:00pm (US/Pacific). > We intend to make available both audio and video during that time > as follows: > > Address: 224.2.240.143 > Audio: 42778/32069 > Video: 45041/24026 This conflicts with the ARPAnet 25th reunion that is scheduled for that same evening from 2030 EDT - 2200 EDT 9/10/94 (my note mistakenly says EST). Is it possible for you to set the ttl lower on your videocast of the Cypherpunks meeting? Sean To: rem-conf@es.net cc: liam@nic.near.net, dpz@hardees.rutgers.edu, mbone@isi.edu Subject: Mbone Announcement for ARPANET 25th Anniversary Event Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 18:46:10 -0400 From: "L. Sean Kennedy" Message-ID: <9409061846.ab09666@nic.near.net> On September 10 1994 BBN is holding a celebration in honor of the 25th Anniversary of the ARPANET. BBN has received a number of inquiries about the event, and would like to multicast the program to the MBONE for those who are unable to attend in person. The press release about the event is included below. Current Plans Include: - NV format video - VAT Audio Session The sessions will appear in sd starting Friday night September 9, 1994. Exact times will be provided in the sd announcement. The tentative schedule calls for the program to begin at 2030 EST, and last until 2200 EST on 9/10/94. Please contact me with any conflicts (I have email into the Interop folks already about their plans on Saturday). Thanks! Sean > > I have not been given a complete agenda, but I am told that much of > the discussion will focus on Crypto-94. > > Please address agenda questions to Eric Hughes (hughes@ah.com). > > > Thanks! From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Sep 10 00:29:07 1994 Received: from nic.near.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <12621-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 21:28:44 +0000 Received: from bronze.near.net by nic.near.net id aa02352; 10 Sep 94 0:28 EDT To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: ARPANET Reunion sd announcement delayed Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 00:26:20 -0400 From: "L. Sean Kennedy" Message-ID: <9409100028.aa02352@nic.near.net> I have a machine in our office which is crashing every 15 minutes, so this has been delayed. This will happen as soon as I leave here tonight, the equipment is setup. I apologize if this has inconvenienced those who were planning to setup a recorder in advance; A videotape is being made, so if demand warrants I will make sure this is replayed during working hours. Sean From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Sep 10 00:41:57 1994 Received: from cosmos.kaist.ac.kr by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <12693-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 21:41:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (jhyang@localhost) by cosmos.kaist.ac.kr (8.6.4/8.6.4) id NAA07876; Sat, 10 Sep 1994 13:40:49 +0900 From: Jaeho Yang Message-Id: <199409100440.NAA07876@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr> Subject: Re: Recorded nv_vat sessions To: ckwen@mail.ncku.edu.tw (Short Circuit) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 94 13:40:49 KST Cc: rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <9409091635.AA06254@mail.ncku.edu.tw>; from "Short Circuit" at Sep 10, 94 12:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] + + + Does anyone know where to find ftp sites to get some recorded sessions ? Recorded IETF meeting sessions: ds.internic.net:/pub/current-ietf-mbone You can access those by anonymous ftp. + I suppose it's useful for those people who would like to replay the + programs or to test their multicast applicastions on their local + multicast net. + + Cheng-Kang Wen + + ------------------------------------------------------------------------ + Cheng-Kang Wen E-mail: ckwen@mail.ncku.edu.tw + Distributed Systems Lab. + Institute of Electrical Engineering + National Cheng Kung University + Tainan + Taiwan + ------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Sep 10 03:46:26 1994 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <13495-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sat, 10 Sep 1994 00:45:59 +0000 Received: from xfr.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-18) id ; Sat, 10 Sep 1994 00:45:56 -0700 Posted-Date: Sat 10 Sep 94 00:44:49 PDT Received: by xfr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id ; Sat, 10 Sep 94 00:44:50 PDT Date: Sat 10 Sep 94 00:44:49 PDT From: Stephen Casner Subject: MM'94 MBone announcement To: Casner@ISI.EDU Message-Id: <779183089.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> Mail-System-Version: [This note Bcc'd to rem-conf so replies come back only to me.] This is a preliminary announcement and request for participation in planned MBone activities from ACM Multimedia '94. The conference will be held October 18-20 in San Francsico. The details of the multicast schedule have not been determined, but we plan to include the opening keynote session, a few of the papers or panels sessions including the best-papers session, and the closing session. A more detailed schedule will be provided later. However, I'd like to draw particular attention to the demonstrations which are part of the MM'94 program on the afternoon of the 19th and morning of the 20th (PDT). Two of the demonstrations will involve the MBone, including one that I have organized to demonstrate for the MM'94 audience the teleconferencing tools we've come to know and love. I hereby solicit volunteers to join into the teleconference sessions remotely and participate in the demonstration. For example, during the hands-on portion of the demo you might be asked questions about your location and your experiences on the MBone. I plan to divide up the time so that no one person is overburdened, though all are welcome to join in for as much of the time as they like. Please send me a short note saying when you would be available. There are two parts of the demonstration which should be new and interesting to those of you watching out on the MBone as well: 1. On the DARTnet testbed network, which is one network in the MBone, we plan to demonstrate RSVP resource reservation protocol and traffic control to provide low delay, low-loss audio and video transmission even when there is competing traffic. Assuming a good path across the rest of the MBone, remote listeners should be able to observe the same results as the local audience. 2. A demonstration of synchronization of multiple streams in a distributed music performance, organized by Julio Escobar of BBN. I'm not sure, though, what effects remote listeners will hear. Steve Casner, USC/ISI (Please note that this demo will be the work of many people, not just me.) ------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Sep 10 14:28:46 1994 Received: from survis.surfnet.nl by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <15419-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sat, 10 Sep 1994 11:28:21 +0000 Received: from survis.surfnet.nl by survis.surfnet.nl with SMTP (PP); Sat, 10 Sep 1994 20:27:56 +0200 To: braden@isi.edu (Bob Braden) Cc: sjm@moggie.anu.edu.au, wrh@citi.umich.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: help In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 06 Sep 1994 08:24:51 -0700. From: Erik-Jan Bos X-Mailer: MH X-Organization: SURFnet bv, Utrecht, The Netherlands X-Phone-Number: +31 30 310290 X-Fax-Number: +31 30 340903 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <16360.779221672.1@SURFnet.nl> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 20:27:53 +0200 Sender: Erik-Jan.Bos@SURFnet.nl Bob, > *> I have tried 2 or 3 times over the past year to get unsubscribed and > *> have not been successful. Someone out there adds people but > *> never responds to requests to remove them. Very frustrating! > > Don't feel bad, I have been trying for 4 years to get off > one large mailing list ... You could write a mail filter... As a subscriber of "rem-conf@es.net" I find quite a disturbingly large number of unsubscribe message in my mailbox from this list each week. Is rem-conf-request off-line or so?! __ Erik-Jan. From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Sep 11 21:20:46 1994 Received: from nmis.nmis.org by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <20509-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sun, 11 Sep 1994 18:20:23 +0000 Received: by nmis.nmis.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15036; Sun, 11 Sep 1994 21:20:13 -0400 From: jimmy@nmis.nmis.org (Jimmy Lai) Message-Id: <9409120120.AA15036@nmis.nmis.org> To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: jimmy@nmis.nmis.org Subject: HELP: error in installing IP multicast 3.3 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 94 21:20:13 -0500 I am trying to install IP multicasting on a Sun SparcStation 10 running SunOS 4.1.3 (sun4m binary distribution). I downloaded ipmulti3.3-sunos413x.tar.Z (release 3.3) and made the kernel modifications using the script mcast_install from Jim Culbert at MIT. The script sucessfully ran /etc/config but when it tried to run make in the new build dir. the following error occurred: loading vmunix ld: Undefined symbol _legal_vif_num *** Error Code 2 make: Fatal Error: Command failed for target 'vmunix' make did build a new vmunix file, but I did not go on install the new kernel. Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance, Jimmy Lai (jimmy@nmis.org) From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Sep 11 23:50:21 1994 Received: from nmis.nmis.org by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <20953-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sun, 11 Sep 1994 20:49:46 +0000 Received: by nmis.nmis.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14854; Sun, 11 Sep 1994 23:49:38 -0400 From: jimmy@nmis.nmis.org (Jimmy Lai) Message-Id: <9409120349.AA14854@nmis.nmis.org> To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: jimmy@nmis.nmis.org Subject: Re: HELP: error installing IP multicast 3.3 -- solved Date: Sun, 11 Sep 94 23:49:38 -0500 Ealier I asked: >I am trying to install IP multicasting on a Sun SparcStation 10 >running SunOS 4.1.3 (sun4m binary distribution). I downloaded >ipmulti3.3-sunos413x.tar.Z (release 3.3) and made the kernel modifications >using the script mcast_install from Jim Culbert at MIT. The >script sucessfully ran /etc/config but when it tried to run make in the >new build dir. the following error occurred: > loading vmunix > ld: Undefined symbol > _legal_vif_num > *** Error Code 2 > make: Fatal Error: Command failed for target 'vmunix' Then I read an old mail to mbone by Steve about workarounds for problems w/ release 3.3 >Date: Sun 28 Aug 94 16:04:52 PDT >From: Stephen Casner >Subject: Re: IP Multicast release 3.3 >To: MBONE >Message-Id: <778115092.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> >In-Reply-To: <94Aug26.112708pdt.14601@campion.parc.xerox.com> >Mail-System-Version: .... > - The .o files were compiled with "options RSVP_ISI" on, so the link >will fail with an unresolved symbol if you try to build a system >without that option. The workaround is just to include the >"options RSVP_ISI" in your config file (it has only a small effect >and will be useful for future experiments). If you use the >script, add this line (e.g., after "options INET") into your >pre-multicast kernel config file before you run the script. I followed the suggestion and it works fine now. Thanks, Jimmy Lai (jimmy@nmis.org) From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 12 00:38:12 1994 Received: from wraith.internode.com.au by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <21061-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sun, 11 Sep 1994 21:37:29 +0000 Received: by wraith.internode.com.au (5.83--+1.3.1+0.50/UA-5.23) id AA08436; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 14:04:54 +0930 From: Adrian Corston Message-Id: <9409120434.AA08436@wraith.internode.com.au> Subject: Re: help To: ari@es.net (Ari Ollikainen) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 14:04:52 CST Cc: sjm@moggie.anu.edu.au, wrh@citi.umich.edu, rem-conf@es.net, rem-conf-request@internode.com.au In-Reply-To: <9409061833.AA06663@viipuri.nersc.gov>; from "Ari Ollikainen" at Sep 6, 94 11:33:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL17] Ari Ollikainen types: >Date: Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:33:02 PDT >From: ari@es.net (Ari Ollikainen) >To: sjm@moggie.anu.edu.au, wrh@citi.umich.edu >Subject: Re: help >Cc: rem-conf@es.net, rem-conf-request@internode.com.au Bill Hampton (wrh@citi.umich.edu): >>I have tried 2 or 3 times over the past year to get unsubscribed and >>have not been successful. Someone out there adds people but >>never responds to requests to remove them. Very frustrating! % grep -i umich /local/lib/mail/lists/rem-conf % grep -i umich /local/lib/mail/lists/mbone-oz % I have no record of messages to or from Bill Hampton. Stephen Meatheringham (sjm@mso.anu.edu.au): >>>How the f*** does one get off the rem-conf mailing list?? >>>I've tried rem-conf-request as an email address and never got anywhere. % grep -i anu /local/lib/mail/lists/rem-conf bryan@bwyan.anu.edu.au % grep -i anu /local/lib/mail/lists/mbone-oz avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au bryan@bwyan.anu.edu.au Ben.Evans@maths.anu.edu.au % Stephen Meatheringham was unsubscribed from the Australian rem-conf exploder on 6 Sep 1994 at 14:57 Adelaide time. His request to unsubscribe was sent on 6 Sep 1994 at 14:45 Adelaide time. Stephen Meatheringham was unsubscribed from the Australian mbone exploder on 10 Aug 1994 at 15:04 Adelaide time. His request to unsubscribe was sent on 10 Aug 1994 at 14:59 Adelaide time. Stephen Meatheringham was subscribed to the Australian mbone and rem-conf exploders on 14 Mar 94 at 11:24:45 Adelaide time. His request to subscribe was sent to simon@internode.com.au on 14 Mar 94 at 10:55:46 Adelaide time and forwarded to me on 14 Mar 94 at 11:22:02. I have no other record of messages to, from or concerning Stephen Meatheringham. The messages summarised above are available on request. I suggest that Stephen Meatheringham has experienced problems with his mailer, or more likely he is not or was not aware of the difference between the rem-conf and mbone mailing lists. Ari Ollikainen types: >I, as the list maintainer, don't see the problem, other than >impatience (sjm's original request was to rem-conf@es.net on 29Aug, >the second to rem-conf-request@es.net on 30Aug, and the complaint >to rem-conf@es.net, today, 6September) and failure to read/decipher >SMTP headers for the source of forwarded e-mail... List maintenance is in general a thankless job. Complaining to the list does little more than upset the list maintainer(s) and pollute the list. -- Adrian Corston Network Consulting & Technical Support adrian@internode.com.au Internode Systems, Adelaide, South Australia Hobbies: Chorister (B2). Unrepentant ABBA Fan. DEC & Unix hardware collector. From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 12 01:23:38 1994 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <21196-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sun, 11 Sep 1994 22:22:51 +0000 Received: from xfr.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-18) id ; Sun, 11 Sep 1994 22:20:03 -0700 Posted-Date: Sun 11 Sep 94 22:17:19 PDT Received: by xfr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id ; Sun, 11 Sep 94 22:17:30 PDT Date: Sun 11 Sep 94 22:17:19 PDT From: Stephen Casner Subject: Re: HELP: error in installing IP multicast 3.3 To: jimmy@nmis.nmis.org, rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: <779347039.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> In-Reply-To: <9409120120.AA15036@nmis.nmis.org> Mail-System-Version: Jimmy Lai: The error you experienced is due to a problem with the multicast release 3.3 tar file, the second of two problems mentioned below from an earlier message to the mbone list. There are workarounds to use until the tar file can be updated: - The example mrouted.conf file was changed in a way that does not match what Jim Culbert's mcast_install script expects, so the script just installs the unmodified example script. The workaround is to edit the resulting /etc/mrouted.conf file manually as the script instructs. - The .o files were compiled with "options RSVP_ISI" on, so the link will fail with an unresolved symbol if you try to build a system without that option. The workaround is just to include the "options RSVP_ISI" in your config file (it has only a small effect and will be useful for future experiments). If you use the script, add this line (e.g., after "options INET") into your pre-multicast kernel config file before you run the script. To fix this properly will require generating two sets of object files for those modules affected by RSVP, and then putting both into the tar file as .o and .o.rsvp in a manner similar to what was done for BPF. I've made some changes to the script to allow selection of RSVP support, along with some other fixes and improvements. You can get this modified version of the script from ftp.isi.edu:mbone/mcast_install. I have asked Ajit to add it to the tar file. -- Steve ------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 12 03:06:30 1994 Received: from nms.cyf-kr.edu.pl by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <21771-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 00:05:44 +0000 Received: from lfs.cyf-kr.edu.pl by nms (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04546; Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:05:58 +0200 Received: from mg.cyf-kr.edu.pl by lfs.cyf-kr.edu.pl (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27383; Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:02:23 +0200 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:02:23 +0200 From: yppawlus@cyf-kr.edu.pl (Jerzy Pawlus) Message-Id: <9409120702.AA27383@lfs.cyf-kr.edu.pl> Received: by mg.cyf-kr.edu.pl (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01845; Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:15:07 +0200 To: jimmy@nmis.nmis.org Cc: rem-conf@es.net, jimmy@nmis.nmis.org In-Reply-To: <9409120120.AA15036@nmis.nmis.org> (jimmy@nmis.nmis.org) Subject: Re: HELP: error in installing IP multicast 3.3 > > I am trying to install IP multicasting on a Sun SparcStation 10 > running SunOS 4.1.3 (sun4m binary distribution). I downloaded > ipmulti3.3-sunos413x.tar.Z (release 3.3) and made the kernel modifications > using the script mcast_install from Jim Culbert at MIT. The > script sucessfully ran /etc/config but when it tried to run make in the > new build dir. the following error occurred: > > loading vmunix > ld: Undefined symbol > _legal_vif_num > *** Error Code 2 > make: Fatal Error: Command failed for target 'vmunix' > > make did build a new vmunix file, but I did not go on install the > new kernel. > The ipmulti3.3 software was compiled with RSVP_ISI option (see README-3.3 Page 2) You have to set options RSVP_ISI in configuration file for your kernel and recompile it. I think that I had to do "touch" to all files using RSVP_ISI symbol. (like igmp.c ...) Jurek From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 12 05:26:18 1994 Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <22726-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 02:25:48 +0000 Received: from baltzer.nl by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA06263 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Mon, 12 Sep 1994 11:08:03 +0200 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 11:08:03 +0200 Message-Id: <9409120908.AA06263@sun4nl.NL.net> To: From: publish@baltzer.nl (Philip Pritchard) X-Sender: Pbaltzer@sun4nl.nluug.nl (Unverified) Subject: QUEUEING SYSTEMS, Vol 16, nos. 1 & 2 CONTENTS: QUEUEING SYSTEMS, Volume 16, Nos. 1 & 2, 1994, ISSN 0257 0130 Editor-in-Chief: N.U. Prabhu, Cornell University, 221 E & TC Building, Ithaca, NY 14853, U.S.A., Fax: +1-607-255-9129, E-mail: questa@orie.cornell.edu Invited paper: pp 1-49: I. N. Kovalenko, Rare events in queueing systems: A survey Articles: pp 51-65: G. Falin, Z. Khalil and D. Stanford, Performance analysis of a hybrid switching system where voice messages can be queued pp 67-81: T. D. 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Philip Pritchard Baltzer Science Publishers Asterweg 1A 1031 HL Amsterdam The Netherlands Tel: +31 20 637 0061 Fax: +31 20 632 3651 E-mail: publish@baltzer.nl From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 12 07:13:28 1994 Received: from iiserv.iis.sinica.edu.tw by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <23305-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 04:07:49 +0000 Received: from iis0.iis.sinica.edu.tw by iiserv (4.1/IIS-1.0) id AA12331; Mon, 12 Sep 94 19:10:16 CST Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 19:10:16 CST From: fisher@iis.sinica.edu.tw (Wei Fu-Shung) Message-Id: <9409121110.AA12331@iiserv> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: unsuscribe please unsuscribe me from this mailing list. fisher@iis.sinica.edu.tw From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 12 09:10:19 1994 Received: from NMIS01.MIT.EDU by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <23647-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 06:07:15 +0000 Received: by nmis01.mit.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA05217; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 08:59:08 -0500 From: bosco@nmis01.mit.edu Message-Id: <9409121359.AA05217@nmis01.mit.edu> To: jimmy@nmis.nmis.org (Jimmy Lai) Cc: rem-conf@es.net, bosco@nmis01.mit.edu Subject: Re: HELP: error installing IP multicast 3.3 -- solved In-Reply-To: (Your message of Sun, 11 Sep 94 23:49:38 EST.) <9409120349.AA14854@nmis.nmis.org> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 08:59:07 -0600 Jimmy, Buying another hard drive for SUNNY is not a problem. I'ld reccomend you take a look at SUN drives, and ask Kip also about the Audio/Video drives on the market. Much has changed since Jim bought his drive. Then let's place the order, I will help you process it. ...> Paul From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 12 10:32:26 1994 Received: from phoebus.aps.anl.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <23894-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 07:30:30 +0000 Received: from medusa.aps.anl.gov.anl.gov by phoebus (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA10378; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 09:30:26 +0600 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 09:30:26 +0600 From: hoffberg@aps.anl.gov (Mike Hoffberg) Message-Id: <9409121430.AA10378@phoebus> Received: by medusa.aps.anl.gov.anl.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02455; Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:30:24 CDT To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Number of messages is ridiculous content-length: 707 I want to make a request that this mailing list have its format changed. I have been on vacation for a week and I have over 200 messages in my mail box, of course not all of them are from rem-conf, but I am sure that well over 100 of them are. I don't fully understand why a NETNEWS newsgroup is not created? Wouldn't that make the most sense? Or how about grouping the messages and sending out one mail message every couple of hours? MIKE Michael Hoffberg /.\ "Surprisingly tender and tasted hoffberg@phebos.aps.anl.gov // \\ Argonne somewhat like chicken." mike@anl.gov //_O_\\ National Standard Disclaimer Applies /__| |__\ Lab Boola! Boola! From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 12 11:02:16 1994 Received: from chenas.inria.fr by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <24033-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 07:59:51 +0000 Received: from eurecom.cica.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA29165; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 16:59:33 +0200 (MET) Received: from mobile1.cica.fr by eurecom.cica.fr (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA07188; Fri, 9 Sep 94 18:34:14 +0200 Return-Path: Organization: Eurecom, Sophia-Antipolis, France Received: from localhost by mobile1.cica.fr with 4.1/2.28 id ; Fri, 9 Sep 94 18:34:12 +0200 Message-Id: <9409091634.AA21747@mobile1.cica.fr> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Subscribe me Date: Fri, 09 Sep 94 18:34:12 +0200 From: Jean Varaldi varaldi@eurecom.fr From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 12 12:18:31 1994 Received: from nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <24670-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 09:08:06 +0000 Received: from in50217.cc.nps.navy.mil ([131.120.50.217]) by nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22110; Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:07:08 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:07:08 PDT From: jsstewar@nps.navy.mil (James S. Stewart) Message-Id: <9409121607.AA22110@nps.navy.mil> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Unsubscribe Please unsubscribe me From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 12 14:13:53 1994 Received: from adept.PRPA.Philips.COM by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <25690-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 11:13:03 +0000 Received: from thud.PRPA.Philips.COM by adept.PRPA.Philips.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23197; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:12:59 PDT Received: by thud.PRPA.Philips.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23109; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:12:48 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:12:48 PDT From: roelofs@thud.PRPA.Philips.COM (Greg Roelofs) Message-Id: <9409121812.AA23109@thud.PRPA.Philips.COM> To: adrian@internode.com.au, ari@es.net Subject: Re: help Cc: rem-conf-request@internode.com.au, rem-conf@es.net Adrian Corston writes: > Ari Ollikainen types: > >I, as the list maintainer, don't see the problem, other than > >impatience (sjm's original request was to rem-conf@es.net on 29Aug, > >the second to rem-conf-request@es.net on 30Aug, and the complaint > >to rem-conf@es.net, today, 6September) and failure to read/decipher > >SMTP headers for the source of forwarded e-mail... > List maintenance is in general a thankless job. Complaining to the list > does little more than upset the list maintainer(s) and pollute the list. I'm merely an innocent bystander, but let me throw my two cents into the fray. :-) (1) Big thank-you to the list maintainer(s). I support software on the net and have some idea of the headaches with which a list maintainer must deal. (2) For any completely unautomated list, the list maintainer should always notify the list of an impending absence. (3) Even an unautomated list should have an auto-reply program running on the request address (i.e., "your message concerning [subject] was re- ceived and will be processed within a few days" or something like that). (4) Why *is* the -request address unautomated? Given the the apparent size of the list and its activity level, there should at least be a procmail filter or something to handle the "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" messages. (5) *Really* nice lists even have a filter on the main list to get rid of the standard sort of subscribe/unsubscribe messages and channel them to the appropriate software or human. I don't know how they do that, and it's pretty rare, but it's very nice for the schmucks on the list... (6) The newsgroup idea is nice, too, but that requires a lengthy voting procedure for non-alt groups, and alt groups aren't carried everywhere. It's still a good idea; just keep the admin details in mind. I know the setting-up of automated software is painful and takes more time than business-as-usual, but the time spent on that is easily regained in the first few weeks of automated operation. I don't want to start a holy war here, but I hope the maintainer(s) will consider a few of these points. (Please don't clutter the list with responses to this; if you must reply, do so to me (sigh) and I'll summarize in a week or so.) Greg Roelofs From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 12 17:05:16 1994 Received: from bit.csc.lsu.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <27166-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 14:04:24 +0000 Received: by bit.csc.lsu.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA15551; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 16:06:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 16:06:11 -0500 From: bala@bit.csc.lsu.edu (Balaji Narayanan) Message-Id: <9409122106.AA15551@bit.csc.lsu.edu> To: -s@bit.csc.lsu.edu, UNSUBSCRIBE@bit.csc.lsu.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE pl. unssubscribe. bala@bit.csc.lsu.edu. thanks. From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 12 17:27:25 1994 Received: from ietf.cnri.reston.va.us by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <27376-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 14:26:36 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa09765; 12 Sep 94 17:16 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce:; cc: rem-conf@es.net From: Internet-Drafts@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-video-packet-03.txt Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 17:16:17 -0400 Sender: cclark@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Message-ID: <9409121716.aa09765@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US> --NextPart A Revised Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. Title : Packetization of H.261 video streams Author(s) : T. Turletti, C. Huitema Filename : draft-ietf-avt-video-packet-03.txt Pages : 16 Date : 09/09/1994 This draft describes a packetization scheme of H.261 video stream. The scheme proposed can be used to transport such a video flow over the protocols used by RTP. This specification is a product of the Audio-Video Transport working group within the Internet Engineering Task Force. Comments are solicited and should be addressed to the working group's mailing list at rem-conf@es.net and/or the authors. Internet-Drafts are available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and password "guest". After logging in, Type "cd internet-drafts". "get draft-ietf-avt-video-packet-03.txt". Internet-Drafts directories are located at: o US East Coast Address: ds.internic.net (198.49.45.10) o US West Coast Address: ftp.isi.edu (128.9.0.32) o Pacific Rim Address: munnari.oz.au (128.250.1.21) o Europe Address: nic.nordu.net (192.36.148.17) Internet-Drafts are also available by mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ds.internic.net. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-video-packet-03.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ds.internic.net can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e., documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. For questions, please mail to Internet-Drafts@cnri.reston.va.us. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ds.internic.net" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <19940909095602.I-D@CNRI.Reston.VA.US> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-video-packet-03.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-avt-video-packet-03.txt"; site="ds.internic.net"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <19940909095602.I-D@CNRI.Reston.VA.US> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 12 18:22:53 1994 Received: from mh.sd.synetics.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <27828-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:22:13 +0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by mh.sd.synetics.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA00915 for rem-conf@es.net; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:19:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:19:26 -0700 From: Mark Stell Message-Id: <199409122219.PAA00915@mh.sd.synetics.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Congestion Control, Source Code Does RTP have congestion control mechanisms? Is source for RTP available for use on the Navy's MOSPF testbed in San Diego? Mark Stell SYNETICS Corp. mark@sd.synetics.com (619) 560-6200 stell@olive.nosc.mil (619) 553-6630 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 12 19:38:23 1994 Received: from dumburken.electrum.kth.se by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <28356-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 16:37:32 +0000 Received: from localhost.electrum.kth.se by dumburken.electrum.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/4.0) id AA19412; Tue, 13 Sep 94 01:37:27 +0200 Message-Id: <9409122337.AA19412@dumburken.electrum.kth.se> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: xvat_record available Date: Tue, 13 Sep 94 01:37:24 +0200 From: klemets@it.kth.se I wrote an X-windows user interface to vat_record. I still have a lot to learn about GUI design, but there is at least one nice feature about the xvat_record program. It will find any vat applications that are running on the same X display and create a button for each vat session. So if you are running a vat on the "MBone Audio" channel, xvat_record will present you with a button with that name. Clicking on it causes the recording tool to configure itself with the IP adddress, UDP port and conference ID belonging to that particular session. According to the manuals, this will not work if one is using "xhost" for X11 security, one must use "xauth" instead. I put a version compiled for the sun4 in the ftp area of it.kth.se, filename pub/xvat_record.Z. Please note that you also need the vat_record program, and that it is available in the archive directory at sics.se as usual. If anyone can contribute bitmaps for the REC/PLAY buttons, please let me know. Anders From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 12 20:04:10 1994 Received: from freenet.carleton.ca by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <28506-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 17:03:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (ae031@localhost) by freenet.carleton.ca (8.6.4/8.6.4) id UAA23924; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 20:03:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 20:03:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199409130003.UAA23924@freenet.carleton.ca> From: ae031@freenet.carleton.ca (Andrew Stephens) To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Reply-To: ae031@freenet.carleton.ca UNSUBSCRIBE Andrew Stephens rem-conf -- Andrew Stephens | Standard disclaimer: These are my views and NCF -- Ottawa, Canada | not necessarily those of my employer. From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 12 23:36:49 1994 Received: from ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <29592-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 20:36:17 +0000 Received: by ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13830; Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:42:15 -0700 Received: by ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com (5.65b(em1)/2.06) id AA15404; Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:33:36 -0700 Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13658; Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:28:10 -0700 Received: from trouble.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22800; Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:23:53 PDT Received: by trouble.cs.nps.navy.mil (940715.SGI.52/911001.SGI) for @taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil:rem-conf%es.net@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com id AA15528; Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:23:49 -0700 From: Your VE info source Message-Id: <9409122023.ZM15516@trouble.cs.nps.navy.mil> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 20:23:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: rem-conf%es.net@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com Subject: NPSNET Research Group & PRESENCE Mosaic Pages Updated ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 NPSNET Research Group and PRESENCE Home Pages Have Been Updated I have updated the NPSNET Research Group's Home Page with several of our recent papers. The recent additions are listed below, as is the URL for our home page. I have also updated the PRESENCE Home Page to now include the indices of all published and in press issues that I know about. I have also put together a Mosaic page for the 1995 Symposium on Interactive 3D Graphics. Michael Zyda NPSNET URL: ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/NPSNET_MOSAIC/npsnet_mosaic.html PRESENCE URL: ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/PRESENCE_MOSAIC/presence_mosaic.html 1995 Symposium on Interactive 3D Graphics URL: ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/SYMPOSIUM_MOSAIC/symposium_mosaic.html Papers New to the NPSNET Home Page: NPSNET 1994 Annual Report Macedonia, Michael R., Zyda, Michael J., Pratt, David R. and Barham, Paul T. "Exploiting Reality with Multicast Groups: A Network Architecture for Large Scale Virtual Environments," submitted to VRAIS '95. Pratt, David R., Barham, Paul T., Locke, John, Zyda, Michael J., Eastman, Bryant, Moore, Timothy, Biggers, Klaus, Douglass, Robert, Jacobsen, Stephen, Hollick, Michael, Granieri, John, Ko, Hyeongseok, Badler, Norman I. "Insertion of an Articulated Human into a Networked Virtual Environment," Proceedings of the 1994 AI, Simulation and Planning in High Autonomy Systems Conference, University of Florida, Gainesville, 7-9 December 1994. Macedonia, Michael R., Zyda, Michael J., Pratt, David R., Barham, Paul T. and Zeswitz, Steven "NPSNET: A Network Software Architecture for Large Scale Virtual Environments," Presence, Vol. 3, No. 4. From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 13 23:59:48 1994 Received: from nms.etri.re.kr by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <08396-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 13 Sep 1994 20:59:10 +0000 Received: from pec.etri.re.kr (spring.etri.re.kr) by nms.etri.re.kr (4.1/NMS-0.1) id AA23024; Wed, 14 Sep 94 13:00:47 KDT Received: from piero.etri.re.kr by pec.etri.re.kr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13518; Wed, 14 Sep 94 13:54:52 KDT Received: by piero.etri.re.kr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01564; Wed, 14 Sep 94 13:00:49 EDT From: sykim@piero.etri.re.kr (Su-Yeon Kim) Message-Id: <9409141700.AA01564@piero.etri.re.kr> Subject: IP Multicast for SunOS4.1.3 To: bansal@ccrl.nj.nec.com Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 13:00:48 EDT Cc: vmtp-ip@gregorio.stanford.edu, rem-conf@es.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Hello vivek? I found your e-mail from e-mail list. > (Vivek Bansal) writes: > > I am trying to build a new kernel with the IP Multicast patch and am using the > script from MIT by Jim and it's giving me the following errors, Any pointers > would be appreciated ... > > loading vmunix > ld: Undefined symbol > _ip_mrouter_done > _ip_mrouter > _igmp_leavegroup > _igmp_joingroup > _ip_mforward > _ip_mrouter_cmd > *** Error code 2 > > What am I doing wrong ??? > > Vivek... > ------- > Now, I confronted with a similar error like you. The error is ------------------ cc -sparc -I. -c -O -Dsun4c -DMULTICAST-4.1.3-KLE1.1.3 -DSUN4C_60 -DWINSVJ -DVDDRV -DASYNCHIO -DLWP -DVFSSTATS -DRFS -DCRYPT -DTCPDEBUG -DIPCSHMEM -DIPCSEMAPHORE -DIPCMESSAGE -DSYSAUDIT -DSYSACCT -DPCFS -DHSFS -DTMPFS -DTFS -DLOFS -DNFSSERVER -DNFSCLIENT -DUFS -DQUOTA -DRSVP_ISI -DMROUTING -DMULTICAST -DINET -DKERNEL -I. -I.. -I../.. confvmunix.c loading vmunix ld: Undefined symbol _ip_mrouter_done _ip_mrouter _mrt_ioctl _igmp_leavegroup _igmp_joingroup _ip_mforward _legal_vif_num _ip_mrouter_cmd _init_eucioc *** Error code 2 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `vmunix' Problem during make. ABORT -------------------- Please help... **************************************************************** * = SuYeon Kim = * * * * ETRI, Protocol Architecture Section * * Protocol Engineering Center, * * P.O.BOX 106, YuSung, * * TAEJON, 305-600 KOREA * * * * (Phone) : 82-42-860-6117 * * (FAX) : 82-42-861-5404 * * (EMAIL) : sykim@pec.etri.re.kr * **************************************************************** -- From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 14 04:40:42 1994 Received: from cearn.cern.ch by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09691-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 01:40:18 +0000 Received: from CFRUNI52.BITNET by CEARN.cern.ch (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5907; Wed, 14 Sep 94 10:38:41 SET Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 10:39 N From: "KRONE%CFRUNI52.BITNET" Subject: unsubscribe To: rem-conf@es.net X-Original-To: rem-conf@es.net, KRONE pl unsubscribe krone@cfruni52.bitnet From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 14 10:35:56 1994 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <11646-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 07:35:32 +0000 Received: from telecomm.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.4/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA23907; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 07:30:55 -0700 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by telecomm.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.8/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA06427; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 07:14:54 -0700 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.4/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA23653; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 07:13:03 -0700 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 15:11:14 +0100 Received: from tystie.ucs.ed.ac.uk by castle.ed.ac.uk id aa08434; 14 Sep 94 15:10 BST Sender: cja@castle.ed.ac.uk Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at uk.ac.ed.castle From: Chris Adie To: mm-sig@jnt.ac.uk, wg-all@rare.nl, mmis@mailbase.ac.uk, sgml@mailbase.ac.uk, upturn@rare.nl, nossdav-dist@telecomm.hpl.hp.com, iepanel@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk, avon@eng.cam.ac.uk, opendoc-interest@c Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 15:20:18 +0000 Subject: MULTIMEDIA EXPERTISE SURVEY Reply-To: mmsurvey@edinburgh.ac.uk Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.12) Message-Id: <9409141510.aa08434@uk.ac.ed.castle> (Apologies if you get this message more than once.) ============================ Multimedia Expertise Survey - Request for Information - ============================ If you feel your organisation has any expertise to offer in the fields of multimedia publishing and/or distributed multimedia, please reply to the questions below. You will then be listed in two key surveys in the multimedia world: * RARE's Distributed Multimedia Survey * The NewMediaNet survey for the European Commission . The NewMediaNet survey is performed on behalf of the European Commission to identify those organisations who could offer (commercial or non- profit) services to the multimedia publishing industry. The RARE Distributed Multimedia Survey is focused on research teams and will result in an update of Chris Adie's RARE report on Distributed Multimedia Research, Standards and Products. Further details about both surveys are included at the end of this message. We are seeking responses from all kinds of organisations involved in multimedia, whether company, university, industry association, interest group, or anything else. We are explicitly inviting both technology and non-technology oriented organisations. Please invest 20 minutes of your time to get your organisation listed in the key surveys of NewMediaNet and RARE. Please copy to other people in your organisation who may be interested (other research groups, consultancy groups, marketing depts., technology transfer groups) A first analysis of results will be made at the end of September, please try to submit your response by that date. HOW TO COMPLETE THIS RFI ======================== The rfi is divided into the following sections 1 Profile and expertise of your organisation 2 Services offered by your organisation 3 Research activities of your organisation 4 Details of your organisation 5 About the surveys Please fill in sections 1 and 4 and the parts of 2 & 3 that are appropriate. When returning the rfi, in order to minimise Internet traffic, please delete this introductory section, section 5 and all answers which don't apply, leaving only the answers which do apply. --------------------------------------------- Please mail the completed request for information to: mmsurvey@edinburgh.ac.uk --------------------------------------------- When you return this rfi please put 'Expertise Survey Return' in the subject line --------------------------------------------- For queries about the multimedia services questions, contact the newmedianet survey contacts (see end of this file). --------------------------------------------- 1 PROFILE AND EXPERTISE OF YOUR ORGANISATION ============================================ What is the name of your organisation? _______________ What type of organisation is this? company university insititute association or interest group other: ____________ What is the name of your part of the organisation (if different)? __________________ What are the main activities of your (part of the) organisation in the field of multimedia? research product development marketing & distribution teaching consultancy other: _______ What is (are) the key multimedia domain(s) of your (part of the) organisation? multimedia content development (production, publishing) multimedia content distribution (CD distribution, broadcasting, on-line services, interactive TV) multimedia hardware and system software (computers, consumer electronics, peripherals) distributed or networked multimedia applications (networked systems, multimedia workbench, CSCW) multimedia publishing technology (tools, methods, processes) multimedia title design (user interfaces, interactivity, creative design) multimedia markets (market research, customer needs) multimedia business models (incl. IPR, legal, financing issues) security and encryption issues network and operating system issues other: __________ What are the main application areas for the multimedia activities of your (part of the) organisation? general applications consumer content (entertainment, edutainment, infotainment, home- shopping, etc.) educational content (school, university, company training) professional content (reference, scientific, technical, medical, legal, financial) corporate content (catalogues, point-of-information, point-of-sales, advertisement) communication (video communication, cooperative work, etc.) other: ___________ 2 SERVICES OFFERED BY YOUR (PART OF THE) ORGANISATION ===================================================== Is your organisation offering or considering offering any services to others? yes no If "no", please skip the remainder of this section. What services is your (part of the) organisation offering this year, either commercially or free of charge ? demonstrations awareness creation training/education consultancy research market information / data production facilities other: _____________ What services is your organisation planning to offer in 1995, either commercially or free of charge ? demonstrations awareness creation training/education consultancy research market information / data technical facilities other: _____________ What is the major geographic scope of your (part of the) organisation? regional national European worldwide What are the main hardware and software platforms of interest to your (part of the) organisation? _______________ Please list the key activities / project / products of your (part of the) organisation. _______________ 3 RESEARCH ACTIVITIES OF YOUR (PART OF THE) ORGANISATION ======================================================== Is your (part of the) organisation performing research on distributed multimedia? yes no If "no", please skip the rest of this section but please finish the last section! Please describe the specific research interests of your (part of the) organisation below (max. 1 page). _______________ Please list the most significant papers or reports published by your (part of the) organisation since June 1993. _______________ Do your research interests include a) distributed multimedia applications? b) operating system support for distributed multimedia? If yes to a) or b) please describe what you do in the following categories real-time interactive comms (e.g. mmedia conferencing) non-realtime interpersonal comms (e.g. mmedia e-mail, distributed mm authoring) network access to stored mmedia data (e.g. hypermedia infosystems) other ___________ 4 DETAILS OF YOUR ORGANISATION ============================== What is your name and address? name _____________ department _____________ street _____________ code, city _____________ country _____________ fax _____________ email _____________ Please specify any on-line information server providing further information about your (part of the) organisation (eg. World-Wide Web, Gopher, FTP), if any. _____________ What is the number of employees/members of your organisation? 1-4 5-29 30-99 100-999 1000-up What is the yearly turnover of your organisation? (US Dollars) 0 - $49 k $50 k - $0.99 m $1 m - $19.99 m $20 m - up What is (are) the primary source(s) of funding for your organisation? commercial contracts ongoing government funding project subsidies membership fees other: _________ If your organisation receives substantial government funding or subsidies, please list the main bodies providing these funds: ___________ Is your (part of the) organisation involved in any or more of these cooperation schemes: informal cooperation with colleagues from other organistations bilateral cooperation, defined by contract international cooperation, subsidised by the European Commission, etc. What are the main organisations you are collaborating with? _____________ What is the date of completion of this request for information? _____________ 5 ABOUT THE SURVEYS =================== About the RARE Survey ===================== RARE WG-NMA (formerly WG-IMM) In January 1993, Chris Adie, on behalf of RARE's Interactive Multimedia Working Group (now the Networked Multimedia Applications Working Group, WG-NMA), produced a very popular Report on Distributed Multimedia Research, Standards and Products (available as RARE Technical Report 5, or by FTP from ftp.ed.ac.uk in directory pub/mmsurvey). WG-NMA (specifically, Ransford Johnson and Chris Adie) are now seeking to update the Research section of that report. There will be two subsections in the new report - a catalogue of Research Groups and a catalogue of Collaborative Research Projects. The questionnaire above relates only to the Research Groups subsection. A separate survey on Distributed Multimedia Research Projects will be distributed. If your organisation already appears in the 1993 Report, you should still complete and return this form. Contacts in WG-NMA are: Ransford Johnson, R.B.Johnson@bris.ac.uk Chris Adie, C.J.Adie@ed.ac.uk About the NewMediaNet Survey ============================ The European Commission has asked a consortium led by Pira International to investigate the feasibility of establishing a European New Media network, known as NewMediaNet. The role of the network would be to help publishers and others transfer from script to screen by providing a framework for the sharing of existing resources, creation of new resources and collaboration on specific projects. Unlike a single "media lab" it would be a network of existing and new centres working on new media publishing and of suppliers and publishers engaged in product development. The driving force behind the network must be development to meet needs in the marketplace. Such a network would acknowledge the different timeframes and interests of developers and of publishers. It should cater for both to enable quicker and more effective exploitation of results in optimising publishing processes and designing, developing and bringing new kinds of product to market. Why would anyone think such a network could be useful. Some of the answers we are hearing: "Publishers are slow to get started in Electronic Publishing, let alone Multimedia, ... , No one yet knows what makes an attractive multimedia title, ... , new media publishing is more like film - lots of small subcontractors, ... , There's no MediaLab in Europe, ... , retrieval and authoring tools are still limited in their capabilities,..., The dynamics of product functionality/user requirements-capabilities are uncertain". Consortium members are Pira International with DeTeBerkom, IEPRC (The International Electronic Publishing Research Centre) and in association with Philips Media, Prosa and Pullman Multimedia. A key aspect of this study - and of a future new media network - is the identification of a range of new media services, service providers to supply them and a mechanism for identifying gaps in provision and meeting them. The current state of the MediaNet study is one of gathering information, formulating scenarios, then inviting participation. Further involvement ------------------- If you/your organisation is interested in being identified, at this preliminary stage, as a potential new media service provider on a European New Media Network would you please respond to the request for information included in this message. Contacts in Pira International are: Roberto Minio, minio@pira.co.uk Richard McArthur, mcarthur@pira.co.uk Tel +44 372 376161 Fax +44 372 377526 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 14 15:09:46 1994 Received: from dumburken.electrum.kth.se by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <14319-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 12:08:54 +0000 Received: from localhost.electrum.kth.se by dumburken.electrum.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/4.0) id AA12268; Wed, 14 Sep 94 21:08:44 +0200 Message-Id: <9409141908.AA12268@dumburken.electrum.kth.se> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: vatrelease available X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5epsilon+ 9/12/94 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 21:08:43 +0200 From: klemets@it.kth.se When I run another application that uses audio on the Sun, it will sometimes lock up because vat has grabbed the audio device. Having to click on the Release button on vat is annoying, so I wrote a small Tcl script to do it. Sample command: vatrelease play file.au Upon execution, vatrelease will attempt to find other vat applications running on the same X display. If one uses the audio device, it will press the mute speaker button on vat (if unmuted), press the vat "Release" button, execute the the command "play file.au", press the vat "Keep" button once or twice as required to get vat back to its original state, and unmute the speaker if required. Unfortunately I cannot run Tk without also opening a window on the X display (a window is not needed for this application), so I use it to print the name of the vat conference. Vatrelease will probably not succeed in talking to vat if X connections >from other hosts are allowed with the "xhost" command. The program is available with anonymous ftp from it.kth.se, filename pub/vatrelease.tcl This is a script for the Tcl/Tk shell, "wish". I have not succeeded in making a compiled version that is portable. The Tcl sources for the xvat_record program that I announced the other day are also available, as xvat_record.tcl. Anders From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 14 16:20:17 1994 Received: from uu10.psi.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <14930-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 13:19:45 +0000 Received: by uu10.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA16699 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:18:42 -0400 Received: from snake by insoft2.insoft.com (4.1/RHP-1.0) id AA15724; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:14:23 EDT Message-Id: <9409142014.AA15724@insoft2.insoft.com> Received: by snake (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22046; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:13:40 -0400 From: John Wittkoski Subject: subscribe To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:13:38 EDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] subscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 14 18:10:57 1994 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <16225-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 15:10:20 +0000 Received: from ash.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-18) id ; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 15:10:08 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 15:07:41 -0700 From: touch@ISI.EDU Posted-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 15:07:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199409142207.AA06279@ash.isi.edu> Received: by ash.isi.edu (5.65c/4.0.3-4) id ; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 15:07:41 -0700 To: klemets@it.kth.se, rem-conf-request@es.ned, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: vatrelease available Cc: touch@ISI.EDU > From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 14 15:05:53 1994 > To: rem-conf@es.net > Subject: vatrelease available > From: klemets@it.kth.se > > When I run another application that uses audio on the Sun, it will sometimes > lock up because vat has grabbed the audio device. Having to click on the > Release button on vat is annoying, so I wrote a small Tcl script to do it. ... > This is a script for the Tcl/Tk shell, "wish". I have not succeeded > in making a compiled version that is portable. The Tcl sources for the > xvat_record program that I announced the other day are also available, > as xvat_record.tcl. > > Anders For making TK/TCL wish-like code portable, see ftp://ftp.isi.edu/pub/hpcc-papers/touch/tcl2array.101.README ftp://ftp.isi.edu/pub/hpcc-papers/touch/tcl2array.101.tar.Z I have developed a method for doing this, which is documented there. It includes C code that should be very portable. Joe From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 14 21:13:03 1994 Received: from Sun.COM by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <17639-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 18:12:29 +0000 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA05806; Wed, 14 Sep 94 18:12:06 PDT Received: from argus.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22281; Wed, 14 Sep 94 18:14:31 PDT Received: from offshore.Eng.Sun.COM by argus.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA11173; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 18:16:07 +0800 Received: by offshore.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02703; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 18:08:11 +0800 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 18:08:11 +0800 From: Allyn.Romanow@Eng.Sun.COM (Allyn Romanow) Message-Id: <9409150108.AA02703@offshore.Eng.Sun.COM> To: rem-conf@es.net, km@mathcs.emory.edu Subject: Re: Mrouted Pruning and Solaris 2.X? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 779 We are currently working on porting the kernel aspects of mrouted 3.X to Solaris 2.X > From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 5 09:24 PDT 1994 > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 11:08:48 -0400 > From: Ken Mandelberg > To: rem-conf@es.net > Subject: Mrouted Pruning and Solaris 2.X? > X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 382 > X-Lines: 8 > > > Is there any work being done on a pruning version of mrouted for > Solaris 2.x? Does Solaris 2.4 have the needed kernel support? > > Ken Mandelberg | km@mathcs.emory.edu PREFERRED > Emory University | {rutgers,gatech}!emory!km UUCP > Dept of Math and CS | km@emory.bitnet NON-DOMAIN BITNET > Atlanta, GA 30322 | Phone: Voice (404) 727-7963, FAX 727-5611 > From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 15 02:51:28 1994 Received: from garam.kreonet.re.kr by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <19048-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 23:51:03 +0000 Received: from maruchi.chungnam.ac.kr by garam.kreonet.re.kr (4.1/GARAM-MX-1.0) id AA12422; Thu, 15 Sep 94 15:51:42 KDT Received: from venus.etri.re.kr.ac.kr (venus.comeng.chungnam.ac.kr) by maruchi.chungnam.ac.kr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02172; Thu, 15 Sep 94 15:50:08 KDT Received: by venus.etri.re.kr.ac.kr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05312; Thu, 15 Sep 94 16:48:19 KDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 94 16:48:19 KDT From: shshin@venus.etri.re.kr (Shin Seung Ho) Message-Id: <9409150648.AA05312@venus.etri.re.kr.ac.kr> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Subscribe Subscribe Seung-Ho Shin e-Mail: shshin@venus.chungnam.ac.kr From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 15 04:15:21 1994 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <19743-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 01:14:46 +0000 Received: from telecomm.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.4/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA05073; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 01:11:54 -0700 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by telecomm.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.8/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA08712; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 01:03:40 -0700 Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.4/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA04968; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 01:01:47 -0700 Received: from zeus.bris.ac.uk by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 15 Sep 1994 08:57:12 +0100 Received: by zeus.bris.ac.uk (931110.SGI/930416.SGI) for @bris.ac.uk:opendoc-interest@cil.org id AA00923; Thu, 15 Sep 94 08:57:09 +0100 From: R.B.Johnson@Bristol.ac.uk (RB. Johnson) Message-Id: <9409150757.AA00923@zeus.bris.ac.uk> Subject: DISTRIBUTED MULTIMEDIA PROJECTS SURVEY To: mm-sig@jnt.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 08:57:09 +0100 (BST) Cc: wg-all@rare.nl, mmis@mailbase.ac.uk, sgml@mailbase.ac.uk, upturn@rare.nl, nossdav-dist@telecomm.hpl.hp.com, iepanel@dcs.gla.ac.uk, avon@eng.cam.ac.uk, opendoc-interest@cil.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 6216 (Apologies if you receive this message more than once.) ================================================== Survey on Distributed Multimedia Research Projects - Request for Informaion - ================================================== This message requests information about collaborative research projects concerned with distributed multimedia applications. The information is sought to produce a catalogue of research projects as a partial update of the RARE report on Distributed Multimedia Research, Standards and Products (available at ftp://ed.ac.uk/pub/mmsurvey). Another survey focusing on distributed multimedia research teams (the people as opposed to the projects) has been launched to complement this one. This subsection of the research survey enumerates larger (more than 100,000 ECU) collaborative projects concerned with networked multimedia applications. Projects must either be underway already, or must have finished within the last 12 months (ie after June 1993). It does not cover "multimedia networking infrastructure" projects which lack a substantial applications component. Responses are invited from all types of organisations. You should complete this survey if you are involved in such a distributed multimedia application research project - one for each project. If you know *for sure* that a project is covered in someone else's response to this survey, don't bother to include it. But, better that we get multiple responses for the same project than none. Please invest 20 minutes of your time to get your organisation listed in the RARE survey. Please copy to other people in your organisation who may be interested (other research groups, technology transfer groups etc). A first analysis of the response will be made at the end of September, so please try to submit your response by that date. Like the previous version, the new survey will be made freely available. HOW TO COMPLETE THIS QUESTIONAIRE ================================= The questionaire is divided into the following sections 1 Brief details of your organisation 2 Projects activities of your organisation 3 About the survey Please fill in section 1, and duplicate section 2 for every project in which you are involved. When returning this form, in order to minimise Internet traffic, please delete this introductory section, section 3 and all answers which don't apply, leaving only the answers which do apply. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Please mail the completed request for information to: mmsurvey@edinburgh.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ When you return this form please put 'Projects Survey Return' in the subject line. ------------------------------------------------------------------ For queries about this survey please contact: Ransford Johnson, R.B.Johnson@bris.ac.uk Chris Adie, C.J.Adie@ed.ac.uk 1 BRIEF DETAILS OF YOUR ORGANISATION ==================================== What is the name of your organisation? ______________ What type of organisation is this? company university institute association or interest group other: ___________ What is the name of your part of the organisation (if different)? ___________________ What is your name and email address? _____________ What is the date of completion of this request for information? _____________ 2 COLLABORATIVE PROJECT ======================= Please copy and repeat this section for every distributed multimedia project that you are involved in. Please state the project acronym (if there is one). ___________ What is the name of the research project? (This could be an expanded form of the acronym.) _____________ What date (month and year) did the project commence?. _____________ What date (month and year) did the project terminate or is expected to terminate?. _____________ Please name the organisation(s) which sponsor the research project. (if the European Commission, state which programme) _____________ What is the project size as determined by the total project budget?. 100,000 - 500,000 ECU 500,000 - 1,000,000 ECU 1,000,000 - 5,000,000 ECU larger than 5,000,000 ECU Note - There are about 1.15 US$ in 1 ECU. _____________ List the organisation(s) collaborating in the project. (if one partner takes a leading role, indicate which one) _____________ Outline the aims and goals (objectives) of the project. _____________ Please provide up to a page of text describing the project, ______________ Please list the most significant papers or reports produced by the project since June 1993. _______________ Name, address and email of a contact person for the project? _____________ Please specify any on-line information server providing further information about the project (eg. World-Wide Web, Gopher, FTP), if any. _____________ 3 ABOUT THE RARE SURVEY ======================= RARE WG-NMA (formerly WG-IMM) In January 1993, Chris Adie, on behalf of RARE's Interactive Multimedia Working Group (now the Networked Multimedia Applications Working Group, WG-NMA), produced a very popular Report on Distributed Multimedia Research, Standards and Products (available as RARE Technical Report 5, or by FTP from ftp.ed.ac.uk in directory pub/mmsurvey). WG-NMA (specifically, Ransford Johnson and Chris Adie) are now seeking to update the Research section of that report. There will be two subsections in the new report - a catalogue of Research Groups and a catalogue of Collaborative Research Projects. The questionnaire above relates only to the Collaborative Research Projects. A separate survey on Research groups is being distributed. If your project already appears in the 1993 Report, you should still complete and return this form. Thanks for your time. Yours sincerely, Ransford Johnson --------- Dr Ransford B. Johnson Phone: +44 272 303030 x 3312 Room 0.15 Fax: +44 272 255265 Queens Building Telex: 445938 BSUNIV Department of Electrical and Email: R.B.Johnson@bristol.ac.uk Electronic Engineering University of Bristol University Walk Bristol BS8 1TR United Kingdom From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 15 05:03:07 1994 Received: from icil64.cilea.it by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <20304-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 02:02:39 +0000 Received: from [131.175.1.95] (uff29mac.cilea.it) by ICIL64.CILEA.IT (PMDF V4.2-14 #2920) id <01HH50EKX4XS8WYJ6L@ICIL64.CILEA.IT>; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:01:50 MET-DST Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:02:03 +0200 From: calegari@icil64.cilea.it (Antonio Calegari) Subject: ipmulticast on Ultrix 4.2 To: rem-conf@es.net Message-id: <01HH50ELJN4I8WYJ6L@ICIL64.CILEA.IT> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sender: calegari@icil64 Help! We tried to make a mcast kernel on an Ultrix 4.2 from the binary distribution and this is what we got: make vmunix crashed saying ... loading vmunix /bin/ld: Undefined: dsMaxinesw dskn03sw *** Error code 1 Stop Does anybody know why? This is what we did: - run the patch program in /usr/sys - copy the object files into /usr/sys/MIPS/BINARY - run config in /usr/sys/conf/mips - run make depend in /usr/sys/mips/icldx1 (the name of our machine) - run make vmunix Thanks to everybody. -- Antonio Calegari CILEA - Segrate - Italy tel. : +39 (0)2 26995 257 email: calegari@icil64.cilea.it From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 15 08:28:28 1994 Received: from pax.inria.fr by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <21233-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 05:28:06 +0000 Received: by pax.inria.fr (5.65c8/IDA-1.2.8) id AA24319; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 14:29:51 +0200 Message-Id: <199409151229.AA24319@pax.inria.fr> To: Mark Stell Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Congestion Control, Source Code In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:19:26 -0700" <199409122219.PAA00915@mh.sd.synetics.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 14:29:50 +0200 From: Jean-Chrysostome Bolot Mark, RTP proper does not include congestion control mechanisms. However, it provides useful messages and information to include congestion control mechanisms in real time applications. Actually, that's precisely what we have done in IVS (INRIA videoconference system). Specifically, the control mechanism in IVS is a feedback control mechanism that regulates the output rate of the video coder based on feedback information about network conditions. The video packets are sent by the coder in RTP/UDP/IP packets. The feedback information is sent by the receiver(s) again using RTP packets. Our work is this area is described in a couple of recent papers. They are available by anonymous FTP from zenon.inria.fr in directory rodeo/ivs/papers Re: RTP code, i seem to recall Henning mentioning RTPv2 code in Nevot (Henning, care to add some info here?) -Jean From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 15 10:53:58 1994 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <22224-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 07:53:35 +0000 Received: from telecomm.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.4/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA06619; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 07:07:29 -0700 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by telecomm.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.8/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA09438; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 06:58:46 -0700 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.4/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA06502; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 06:56:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (mm94@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.6.yuck) with SMTP id IAA15650; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 08:52:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199409151352.IAA15650@dworkin.wustl.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: dworkin.wustl.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: mm-sig@jnt.ac.uk Cc: wg-all@rare.nl, mmis@mailbase.ac.uk, sgml@mailbase.ac.uk, upturn@rare.nl, nossdav-dist@telecomm.hpl.hp.com, iepanel@dcs.gla.ac.uk, avon@eng.cam.ac.uk, opendoc-interest@cil.org Subject: ACM Multimedia 94 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 08:52:11 -0500 From: Gurudatta Parulkar Please note that the pre-registration deadline is September 15 (TODAY). Sorry if you get more than one copy of this email. ANNOUNCEMENT 2nd ANNUAL ACM MULTIMEDIA CONFERENCE AND EXPOSITION October 15-20, 1994 San Francisco, California Sponsored by the Association for Computing Machinery SIGBIO, SIGBIT, SIGCHI, SIGCOMM, SIGGRAPH, SIGIR, SIGLINK, SIGMM, and SIGOIS and in cooperation with SIGAPP, SIGMOD, SIGOPS and the IEEE Communications Society. =================****=================****=================****============ MULTIMEDIA '94 WWW/MOSAIC AND FTP SITES The Multimedia '94 WWW home page contains the advance program, registration information, as well as other relevant details. The URL is: http://george.lbl.gov/MM94/MM94.html The advance program and registration form can also be retrieved by anonymous ftp: ftp://dworkin.wustl.edu/pub/MM94/program If you need more information about Multimedia'94 or the Advance Program, contact Danieli and O'Keefe (DOK), our conference management company. Address Danieli and O'Keefe 490 Boston Post Road Sudbury, MA 01776-9898 Phone numbers 800-524-1851, or 508-443-3330, Ext. 1214 Email multimedia.dok@notes.compuserve.com or ACMHELP@ACM.org =================****=================****=================****============ CONFERENCE HIGHLIGHTS * Why ACM Multimedia '94? The second ACM Multimedia Conference will present an exciting mixture of technology and art. Sessions will focus on what will be the standards of the future; not what is happening today. The program of papers, panels, courses, demonstrations, videos, and exhibits will explore the breadth and diversity of this ever-changing technology. * You should be there! This conference will be vital for researchers, technical staff, software engineers, educators and artists working in any and all aspects of multimedia research and production. ACM Multimedia will draw attendees and presenters from both academia and industry, including telecommunications, fine arts, engineering, software development, multimedia production, electronic publishing, digital libraries, computer graphics, user interfaces, broadcast media, and networking. * Opening and Closing Plenaries The technical program kicks off with a debate by industry leaders from LucasArts, Philips Electronics and the new Mosaic Communications, moderated by Dr. R.W. Lucky, of Bellcore. They will debate their differing views on the evolution of the Multimedia industry. At the Closing Plenary, Tom Holman, the award-winning designer of the THX sound system and Corporate Technical Director of LucasFilm, discusses presentations standards for sound and graphics and Scott Marden, of Philips Media will give his perspective on the emerging multimedia industry. See page 14 for more details. * The Ubiquitous Art Zone The Ubiquitous Art Zone is that part of Multimedia '94 that presents the creations of artists working in multimedia. The art work ranges from "immersive environments" and "garage VR" to narrative works on interactive CD ROM and hard drive. By their use of interactive interface technologies, the artists invite the visitors to become participants in a shared experience. Come celebrate the emergence of the art made possible by the digital revolution. * Ubiquitous Art Zone/Exhibit Reception Please join us Tuesday evening for a reception that allows you to experience the full range of the arts in multimedia, as well as to spend some unhurried time in the exhibit hall. * Exhibit Hall This is the best opportunity to see and learn from companies who will share their multimedia experiences with you. Digital Equipment Corp. and IBM are just two of the companies who are eager to show their products and services. * Electronic Proceedings The conference proceedings will be available on a CD-ROM and on electronic network. Both media will include the text of the papers being presented, video clips from the video program and other material. * Conference Videotape The ACM Multimedia '94 video will feature videotapes of multimedia systems in action, and other topics relevant to the conference. The videos have been selected based on their relevance, technical content, originality, presentation quality, and clarity. The videotape will be available for purchase at the conference. * Demonstrations Program The demonstration program will feature novel research prototypes that demonstrate the latest advances in multimedia computing and communications technologies. These juried and working prototypes will be exhibited at regular intervals by their creators. Time will be provided for personal interaction with the systems. * Best Paper Awards Both the best paper and the best student paper will be presented in a special session on Thursday afternoon. Come hear the best of the best! * Vendor Track A special venue has been provided for exhibitor presentations on their products and services. This is a unique opportunity to find out about the tools and products that can help you be more productive. =================****=================****=================****============ From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 15 15:00:23 1994 Received: from research.att.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <24106-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:59:56 +0000 Received: by research.att.com; Thu Sep 15 14:48 EDT 1994 Received: by physics.att.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23956; Thu, 15 Sep 94 14:45:28 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 94 14:45:28 EDT From: ramac@physics.att.com (Robert Mac Harrie) Message-Id: <9409151845.AA23956@physics.att.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: SunVideo support We are getting ready to buy some new hardware and I wanted to know if NV supports the SunVideo card on a Sparc10 running 4.1.3. I think I read somewhere that someone was doing that but I don't remember where. Along these lines, is there someplace that some compiled list exists on all the supported videocards? Thanks for the help. Bob MacHarrie ramac@physics.att.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 15 16:42:22 1994 Received: from alpha.Xerox.COM by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <24837-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 13:41:50 +0000 Received: from ecco.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.196]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14509(1)>; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 13:41:36 PDT Received: from localhost by ecco.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <16138>; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 13:41:33 -0700 To: ramac@physics.att.com (Robert Mac Harrie) cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: SunVideo support In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Sep 94 11:45:28 PDT." <9409151845.AA23956@physics.att.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5gamma 8/15/94 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 13:41:32 PDT Sender: Ron Frederick From: Ron Frederick Message-Id: <94Sep15.134133pdt.16138@ecco.parc.xerox.com> In message <9409151845.AA23956@physics.att.com> you write: > We are getting ready to buy some new hardware and > I wanted to know if NV supports the SunVideo card > on a Sparc10 running 4.1.3. I think I read somewhere > that someone was doing that but I don't remember where. > As far as I am aware, Sun does not support the SunVideo card at all under 4.1.3. I've heard vague rumors of people trying to hack it to get it working, but nothing solid. If there is a version of XIL available for 4.1.3, or some other driver support for the SunVideo card, I'd be willing to try and write an nv grabber module for it. At the moment, the only thing which exists is an XIL-based grabber for Solaris 2.x. -- Ron Frederick frederick@parc.xerox.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 15 21:30:21 1994 Received: from SKIGO.GRAPHICS.CORNELL.EDU by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <26702-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 18:29:59 +0000 Received: by skigo.graphics.cornell.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19687; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 21:29:57 -0400 Message-Id: <9409160129.AA19687@skigo.graphics.cornell.edu> To: hoffberg@aps.anl.gov (Mike Hoffberg) Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Number of messages is ridiculous In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:30:26 +0600." <9409121430.AA10378@phoebus> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5gamma 8/15/94 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 94 21:29:56 -0400 From: Mitch Collinsworth X-Mts: smtp >I want to make a request that this mailing list have its format >changed. > >I have been on vacation for a week and I have over 200 messages in my >mail box, of course not all of them are from rem-conf, but I am sure >that well over 100 of them are. > >I don't fully understand why a NETNEWS newsgroup is not created? >Wouldn't that make the most sense? Or how about grouping the messages >and sending out one mail message every couple of hours? > >MIKE Actually there were only 74 during that time period. I just read them myself. Rather than expect the list to change to solve your problem, you could solve it a whole lot faster by using a MUI that sorts your incoming mail into folders. I've been too busy to ready any mail lists for the past 2 weeks, but all the messages were received and sorted for me so they'll be there when I do get to them (which wouldn't be true if the lists were newsgroups). And in the mean time they're not cluttering up my inbox, so I can easily keep up with my non-list mail. I'm using exmh but surely there are numerous alternatives. -Mitch From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 16 19:09:53 1994 Received: from chert.CS.ORST.EDU by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <04697-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 16 Sep 1994 16:09:29 +0000 Received: from flyap (flyap.CS.ORST.EDU) by research.CS.ORST.EDU (4.1/1.30) id AA21969; Fri, 16 Sep 94 16:09:26 PDT Received: by flyap (5.0/CS-Client) id AA02660; Fri, 16 Sep 1994 16:06:47 +0800 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 16:06:47 -0700 (PDT) From: David Aschkenasy Subject: old RTP Internet-Draft To: rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 254 Where can I find the RTP Internet-Draft dated 12/15/92 ? Thanks, David Aschkenasy \ aschked@r.cs.orst.edu \ Science is the battle against metaphysical entropy. (503) 737-5544 / Computer Science is the vanguard. Oregon State University / From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Sep 18 22:36:28 1994 Received: from lhc.nlm.nih.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <13913-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sun, 18 Sep 1994 19:35:49 +0000 Received: from billings.csb (billings.nlm.nih.gov) by nlm.nih.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA19437; Sun, 18 Sep 94 22:35:42 EDT Received: by billings.csb (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01554; Sun, 18 Sep 1994 22:36:45 +0500 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 22:36:45 +0500 From: rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.) Message-Id: <9409190236.AA01554@billings.csb> To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Would like to multicast 2nd Int. WWW Conf., Chicago, 17-20 Oct. '94 Content-Length: 1258 Dear Multicasting Colleagues, The Second International World-Wide Web Conference will be held in Chicago on 17-20 October (I'm serving as one of the members of the organizing committee). The meeting has been hugely oversubscribed, so many would-be attendees will not be accommodated. We would like to multicast from this meeting. Steve Casner has already put his hat in the ring to multicast from the San Francisco ACM Multimedia meeting, being held on the same dates. Joseph Hardin (WWW organizing chairman) and I are contacting both Steve and Edward Fox (ACM) to coordinate these activities (Steve and the ACM clearly have "first dibs" in the event of any bandwidth contention). Given the overlap in interest between these two meetings, we hope to organize one "shared" multicasting event, perhaps a two-site discussion panel. The actual meeting is 18-19 October; we don't yet know if it will be appropriate to multicast on the tutorial day (17 October) or the Developer's Day (20 October). I hope that this event will be possible, and trust that I will hear from one or more of you if it poses a problem. The comments, counsel, and kind assistance of the mbone community will, as always, be gratefully received. Thanks and Cheerio, Rick Rodgers From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 19 09:08:01 1994 Received: from ceres.fokus.gmd.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <16734-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 06:07:33 +0000 Received: from fokus.gmd.de by ceres.fokus.gmd.de id <03226-0@ceres.fokus.gmd.de>; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:09:29 +0200 To: rem-conf@es.net, mark@mh.sd.synetics.com Subject: Re: Congestion Control, Source Code Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:09:29 +0200 From: Henning Schulzrinne Sender: schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de > From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 13 00:36:49 1994 > Delivery-Date: > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:19:26 -0700 > From: Mark Stell > To: rem-conf@es.net > Subject: Congestion Control, Source Code > > Does RTP have congestion control mechanisms? See Steve Casner's note. > > Is source for RTP available for use on the > Navy's MOSPF testbed in San Diego? As RTP is currently/usually/... very closely linked to an application, (and seems to constitute a very small fraction of a typical application), there may not be such a thing as "RTP source code" (as compared to, say, TCP source code or even ftp source code). I'm maintaining a list of software (commercial and otherwise) using RTP. Check out http://www.fokus.gmd.de/minos/employees/hgs/rtp/rtp.html. As far as I know, only the current version of Nevot implements the July draft, but there seems to be a fair amount of activity in various stages of gestation. Readers are encouraged to update the list as their projects can be disclosed. Eventually, progress of RTP through the IETF process will need evidence of implementations. Henning From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 19 09:17:26 1994 Received: from ceres.fokus.gmd.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <16789-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 06:17:03 +0000 Received: from fokus.gmd.de by ceres.fokus.gmd.de id <03238-0@ceres.fokus.gmd.de>; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:20:37 +0200 To: rem-conf@es.net, aschked@research.CS.ORST.EDU Subject: Re: old RTP Internet-Draft Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:20:37 +0200 From: Henning Schulzrinne Sender: schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de I'm not sure the history of RTP is worth writing about, but budding archeologists and others can find old and new drafts in ftp://gaia.cs.umass.edu/pub/hgschulz/rtp > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 16:06:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Aschkenasy > Subject: old RTP Internet-Draft > Where can I find the RTP Internet-Draft dated 12/15/92 ? > From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 19 09:55:18 1994 Received: from ceres.fokus.gmd.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <17017-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 06:54:54 +0000 Received: from fokus.gmd.de by ceres.fokus.gmd.de id <03400-0@ceres.fokus.gmd.de>; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:54:15 +0200 Subject: Re: Congestion Control, Source Code To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:54:15 +0200 From: Henning Schulzrinne Sender: schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de > > Subject: Congestion Control, Source Code > > > > Does RTP have congestion control mechanisms? > See Steve Casner's note. Sorry, make that, "Jean Bolot's note". Henning From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 19 11:57:05 1994 Received: from uu10.psi.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <17789-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 08:56:13 +0000 Received: by uu10.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA04577 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 94 11:48:37 -0400 Received: from snake by insoft2.insoft.com (4.1/RHP-1.0) id AA07912; Mon, 19 Sep 94 11:34:36 EDT Message-Id: <9409191534.AA07912@insoft2.insoft.com> Received: by snake (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16806; Mon, 19 Sep 94 11:33:45 -0400 From: John Wittkoski Subject: Sparc 5 audio To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 11:33:45 EDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Although I don't think I am on the rem-conf list yet, (after my first incorrect attempt to join it), I thought I'd post this now anyway, since I know that some people on this list have been having audio troubles on the Sparc 5, especially when running the multicast kernels supplied from parc xerox. This file documents our experiences with audio on the Sparc 5. We have had problems with audio on the Sparc 5 even since we received the machine. Our applications seem to grab audio data in a way that results in large gaps of silence when the audio is played back. This made our applications unusable on the Sparc 5. These problems do not exist on other Sun machines, regardless of the OS version. Under SunOS 4.1.3U1B and certain versions of Solaris 2.3, the immediate problem seemed to be that there was not even an audio device created. This problem was fixed by patch 101508-06 (for 4.1.3U1B) and 101836-01 (for Solaris 2.3). Patch 101508-06 requires a rebuild of the kernel. Patch 101836-01 contains the packages SUNWaudcu and SUNWaudcr. A newer version of these two packages seems to exist on the Solaris 2.3 HW 8/94 CD. Sun recommended many different collections of patches, none of which really solved the underlying problem that audio in our program (which worked fine on non-Sparc 5 machines running 4.1.3_U1B) was still grabbing audio data with gaps of silence. After reading some of the release notes from Xerox Parc about the multicast kernels, I started checking on the audio buffer sizes under the new kernels. Non-Sparc 5 machines had it set to 0x400 (1K). But turns out that Sun set the audio buffer on the Sparc 5 to 0x1ff4 (almost 8K)! This is true under both SunOS and Solaris. The multicast kernels from Xerox Parc usually set this to 160 bytes, and this setting works with our programs as well. Apparantly, this overly large setting was causing the audio silence and latency problems that we were experiencing. The questions is: Was it set this way for a reason? If anyone can answer this question, please let me know. The solution: Under SunOS 4.1.3_U1B (or other 413 flavors), unless you have source to the kernel, you need to modify the existing kernel using adb. (You might be able to modify some kernel header files, but I have not looked too deeply into this option.) An example of this is in one of the multicast readme files: shrimp# adb -w /vmunix audio_4231_bsize? <--- shows you the current value audio_4231_bsize?W 0t1024 <--- set value to 1024 and then reboot. For machines other than the Sparc 5, the variable name is different: audio_79C30_bsize for 4.1.1, 4.1.2, ? amd_bsize for 4.1.3 Dbri_recv_bsize for Sparc 10 For Solaris 2.3, the solution is even easier. Simply add the appropiate line to the end of the /etc/system file. That value will override the default value: set audio:audio_79C30_bsize = 1024 set audiocs:audio_4231_bsize = 1024 This seems to fix our audio problems with one of our products, the one which does not require a multicast kernel. However, when running kernels built for multicast (I've tried multicast distribution version 2.0, 3.1b, and 3.3), the audio works for a while, up to four hours, and then I get "DMA_SETUP: Error in Play!" or "DMA_SETUP: Error in Record!" errors, and the machine hangs hard. So far, I can only get the error when the multicast kernel is running. I've tried using a kernel without the above audio "fix". Same results. I've tried using a kernel without the audio object files included with the multicast release. Same results. If I run the same kernel, but don't use play audio on the receiving side of our app which uses multicast, the machine doesn't hang. The DMA_SETUP error seems to be coming from the audio_4231.o file that is built into the kernel. The 4231 is the new audio chip that is used in the Sparc 5. So, the questions are: 1. Does anyone know why Sun set the audio buffer values so high? Was this just an oversight on their part, or was it done for some specific reason that we haven't heard about? Can anyone provide reasons that it shouldn't be set lower? 2. Why is the DMA_SETUP error generated? Is it specific to the multicast code changes, a bug in the audio_4231.o code, or incompatability between the two? Or perhaps some new, slightly different way to access the audio? Everything up to this point seems to point to a bug in the Sun audio code, but why does it only show up when running the multicast kernel? 3. Could this be caused by some problems in some other (dma?) code? Any insight, comments, correction, etc. would be appreciated. -- ----------------------------------------------------- John Wittkoski InSoft Technical Support Phone: (717) 730-9501 Email: jpw@insoft.com Fax : (717) 730-9504 ----------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 19 16:05:46 1994 Received: from nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <19758-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 13:05:09 +0000 Received: from in50217.cc.nps.navy.mil ([131.120.50.217]) by nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08833; Mon, 19 Sep 94 13:04:15 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 13:04:15 PDT From: tfsweene@nps.navy.mil (Todd F. Sweeney) Message-Id: <9409192004.AA08833@nps.navy.mil> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Unsubscribe Please unsubscribe me tfsweene@nps.navy.mil From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Sep 19 23:52:58 1994 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <22360-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 20:52:28 +0000 Received: from telecomm.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.4/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA17762; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 20:49:57 -0700 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by telecomm.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.8/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA22351; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 20:31:27 -0700 Received: from vtbit.cc.vt.edu by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.4/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA17381; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 20:29:14 -0700 Message-Id: <9409200329.AA17381@hplms26.hpl.hp.com> Received: from VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU by VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5953; Mon, 19 Sep 94 23:20:12 EDT Received: from VM.LNCC.BR (NJE origin MAILER@BRLNCC) by VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9445; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 23:20:12 -0400 Received: from BRLNCC (NJE origin IBLAJ@BRLNCC) by VM.LNCC.BR (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7680; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 22:03:10 -0300 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:02:06 BS3 From: Israel Blajberg Organization: Universidade Federal Fluminense - UFF Subject: HP Pbulications To: nossdav-dist@telecomm.hpl.hp.com X-Acknowledge-To: I would appreciatte to obtain the e-mail address of HP sectors of Technical Publications and Training. Thanks, Israel Blajberg Rua Visc Cabo Frio 25 Rio de Janeiro, Brasil 20510-160 Fax: 55-21-220-1397 Internet: IBLAJ@vm.LNCC.br From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 20 04:14:01 1994 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <23437-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 01:13:37 +0000 Received: from xfr.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-18) id ; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 01:13:25 -0700 Posted-Date: Tue 20 Sep 94 01:12:19 PDT Received: by xfr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id ; Tue, 20 Sep 94 01:12:20 PDT Date: Tue 20 Sep 94 01:12:19 PDT From: Stephen Casner Subject: Re: Sparc 5 audio To: jpw@insoft2.insoft.com, rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: <780048739.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> In-Reply-To: <9409191534.AA07912@insoft2.insoft.com> Mail-System-Version: John, > I know that some people on this list have been > having audio troubles on the Sparc 5, especially when running the > multicast kernels supplied from parc xerox. I don't think the problems have been especially with the multicast extensions. It's just that when people run the vat audio tool, it is usually on a kernel with multicast added. I think the problems are all inherent in the Sparc 5 audio driver. > audio_4231_bsize? <--- shows you the current value > audio_4231_bsize?W 0t1024 <--- set value to 1024 Why did you choose to set the value to 1024? I note that you said it also works with the value 160 as recommended by various multicast readme files. The choice of 160 is to match the 20ms audio buffer size used in vat, to minimize delay. With the older devices, the default was 1024, and the result was breakup when multiple streams were mixed (though I have not tested that recently since all my kernels are patched to 160). The one Sparc 5 at ISI that is running these tools is patched to 160, and that seems to work fine. > However, when running kernels built for multicast (I've tried multicast > distribution version 2.0, 3.1b, and 3.3), the audio works for a while, > up to four hours, and then I get "DMA_SETUP: Error in Play!" > or "DMA_SETUP: Error in Record!" errors, and the machine hangs hard. > So far, I can only get the error when the multicast kernel is running. This is the same as what others have reported. I think we are waiting for Sun to fix the 4231 driver. I've seen some messages that said Sun is working on it. > Everything up to this point seems to point > to a bug in the Sun audio code, but why does it only show up > when running the multicast kernel? That would be a new data point. Are you saying that when running a non-multicast application on these various kernels, only those kernels with multicast will hang? Given that it may take four hours to hang, perhaps this is hard to judge. -- Steve ------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 20 06:35:11 1994 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <24290-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 03:34:44 +0000 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.festival; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 11:21:24 +0100 Received: from cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk by festival.ed.ac.uk id aa03854; 20 Sep 94 11:21 BST Received: from scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk by ucs.ed.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Sep 94 11:20:56 BST Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 11:20:55 BST Message-Id: <818.9409201020@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Graeme Wood Subject: Re: Sparc 5 audio To: John Wittkoski , rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: John Wittkoski's message of Mon, 19 Sep 94 11:33:45 EDT Reply-To: Graeme.Wood@ucs.edinburgh.ac.uk X-Department: Unix Systems Support, Computing Services X-Organisation: The University of Edinburgh X-Url: "http://ugwww.ucs.ed.ac.uk/~jaw/" X-Phone: +44 31 650 5003 X-Fax: +44 31 650 6552 Cc: mice-nsc-scotland@edinburgh.ac.uk > We have had problems with audio on the Sparc 5 even since we received > the machine. Our applications seem to grab audio data in a way that > results in large gaps of silence when the audio is played back. This made > our applications unusable on the Sparc 5. These problems do not exist > on other Sun machines, regardless of the OS version. Sun introduced us to yet another audio device when they built the SPARC 5. Every time they produce a new machine they stick a new audio device in it. I really cannot understand why. > Under SunOS 4.1.3U1B and certain versions of Solaris 2.3, the immediate > problem seemed to be that there was not even an audio device created. > This problem was fixed by patch 101508-06 (for 4.1.3U1B) and 101836-01 > (for Solaris 2.3). Patch 101508-06 requires a rebuild of the kernel. Patch > 101836-01 contains the packages SUNWaudcu and SUNWaudcr. A newer version > of these two packages seems to exist on the Solaris 2.3 HW 8/94 CD. You should install the 101508-06 patch as it also fixes other problems with kernel performance. The Solaris 2.3 patches also do not completely fix the problems on the SPARC 5. If you start up too many vat sessions for example the system will panic. > Sun recommended many different collections of patches, none of which > really solved the underlying problem that audio in our program (which > worked fine on non-Sparc 5 machines running 4.1.3_U1B) was still grabbing > audio data with gaps of silence. Sun have been trying to produce a patch for this problem. Last week they sent me a test patch to try out. This stopped some of the problems you list such as the DMA errors but the audio sounds very broken (voices sound like Daleks for those Dr. Who fans out there) and the audio device will glue up altogether if you feed it a long piece of audio; making the application release the audio device frees up the audio again. I eventually gave up with this patch. > After reading some of the release notes from Xerox Parc about the multicast > kernels, I started checking on the audio buffer sizes under the new kernels. > Non-Sparc 5 machines had it set to 0x400 (1K). But turns out that Sun > set the audio buffer on the Sparc 5 to 0x1ff4 (almost 8K)! This is true > under both SunOS and Solaris. The multicast kernels from Xerox Parc usually > set this to 160 bytes, and this setting works with our programs as well. > Apparantly, this overly large setting was causing the audio silence and > latency problems that we were experiencing. > > The questions is: Was it set this way for a reason? If anyone can answer > this question, please let me know. Good question. When I installed the patch last week and said things were still not working, Sun Engineering suggested that I patch the kernel and reduce the buffer size to 0x400. I did this but things did not improve. > The solution: > Under SunOS 4.1.3_U1B (or other 413 flavors), unless you have source to the > kernel, you need to modify the existing kernel using adb. (You might be able > to modify some kernel header files, but I have not looked too deeply into > this option.) An example of this is in one of the multicast readme files: > > shrimp# adb -w /vmunix > > audio_4231_bsize? <--- shows you the current value > audio_4231_bsize?W 0t1024 <--- set value to 1024 > > > and then reboot. > > For machines other than the Sparc 5, the variable name is different: > audio_79C30_bsize for 4.1.1, 4.1.2, ? > amd_bsize for 4.1.3 > Dbri_recv_bsize for Sparc 10 > > For Solaris 2.3, the solution is even easier. Simply add the appropiate line > to the end of the /etc/system file. That value will override the default > value: > > set audio:audio_79C30_bsize = 1024 > set audiocs:audio_4231_bsize = 1024 > > This seems to fix our audio problems with one of our products, the one > which does not require a multicast kernel. > > However, when running kernels built for multicast (I've tried multicast > distribution version 2.0, 3.1b, and 3.3), the audio works for a while, > up to four hours, and then I get "DMA_SETUP: Error in Play!" > or "DMA_SETUP: Error in Record!" errors, and the machine hangs hard. > So far, I can only get the error when the multicast kernel is running. > > I've tried using a kernel without the above audio "fix". Same results. > I've tried using a kernel without the audio object files included with > the multicast release. Same results. > > If I run the same kernel, but don't use play audio on the receiving > side of our app which uses multicast, the machine doesn't hang. > > The DMA_SETUP error seems to be coming from the audio_4231.o file that > is built into the kernel. The 4231 is the new audio chip that is used > in the Sparc 5. > > So, the questions are: > 1. Does anyone know why Sun set the audio buffer values so high? Was > this just an oversight on their part, or was it done for > some specific reason that we haven't heard about? Can anyone > provide reasons that it shouldn't be set lower? Sun have consistently set the buffer sizes high. I believe Van Jacobson has been moaning at them for some time about it. > 2. Why is the DMA_SETUP error generated? Is it specific to the multicast > code changes, a bug in the audio_4231.o code, or incompatability > between the two? Or perhaps some new, slightly different way > to access the audio? Everything up to this point seems to point > to a bug in the Sun audio code, but why does it only show up > when running the multicast kernel? The problem is in the audio driver. At least Sun seem to be certain that that is where the problem is as the only thing they sent me was a new audio_4231.o file. > 3. Could this be caused by some problems in some other (dma?) code? Possibly but I am not in a position to comment about 4.1.3_U1B internals. > Any insight, comments, correction, etc. would be appreciated. Your precis of the situation is accurate and at this time I am afraid there is no solution. Graeme From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 20 09:13:09 1994 Received: from merit.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <24955-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 06:12:34 +0000 Received: from homerun.merit.edu (homerun.merit.edu [35.42.1.142]) by merit.edu (8.6.8.1/merit-1.0) with SMTP id JAA19139 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 09:12:30 -0400 Received: by homerun.merit.edu (4.1/dumb-0.9) id AA26930; Tue, 20 Sep 94 09:11:08 EDT From: web@merit.edu Message-Id: <9409201311.AA26930@homerun.merit.edu> Subject: Re: Sparc 5 audio To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 09:11:08 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <780048739.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> from "Stephen Casner" at Sep 20, 94 01:12:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 980 According to Stephen Casner: > > Why did you choose to set the value to 1024? I note that you said it > also works with the value 160 as recommended by various multicast > readme files. The choice of 160 is to match the 20ms audio buffer > size used in vat, to minimize delay. With the older devices, the > default was 1024, and the result was breakup when multiple streams > were mixed (though I have not tested that recently since all my > kernels are patched to 160). The one Sparc 5 at ISI that is running > these tools is patched to 160, and that seems to work fine. Could it be possible, given the faster speed of the SPARC 5 (compared to earlier SPARC offerings), that 1024 (roughly six times 160) might give comparable audio performance, or are the audio circuits clocked at a (relatively) constant rate across SPARC platforms? Regards, web... -- William Bulley MaBell: (313) 764-9993 Merit Network Inc. Domain: web@merit.edu From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 20 09:26:02 1994 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <25008-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 06:25:26 +0000 Received: from telecomm.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.4/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA20460; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 06:24:10 -0700 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by telecomm.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.8/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA23765; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 06:09:28 -0700 Received: from iitmax.acc.iit.edu by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.4/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA20294; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 06:07:10 -0700 Received: by iitmax.acc.iit.edu id AA28536 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for nossdav-dist@telecomm.hpl.hp.com); Tue, 20 Sep 94 08:02:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 08:02:44 -0500 (CDT) From: graham campbell Subject: HP Pbulications (fwd) To: nossdav-dist@telecomm.hpl.hp.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Somehow the following message ended up in my mailbox. Graham Campbell Illinois Institute of Technology ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:02:06 BS3 From: Israel Blajberg To: nossdav-dist@telecomm.hpl.hp.com Subject: HP Pbulications I would appreciatte to obtain the e-mail address of HP sectors of Technical Publications and Training. Thanks, Israel Blajberg Rua Visc Cabo Frio 25 Rio de Janeiro, Brasil 20510-160 Fax: 55-21-220-1397 Internet: IBLAJ@vm.LNCC.br From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 20 10:13:27 1994 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <25187-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 07:10:14 +0000 Received: from telecomm.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.4/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA20911; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 07:08:34 -0700 Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com by telecomm.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.8/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA23857; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 06:55:41 -0700 Received: from mailhost.canon.co.uk by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 14:44:57 +0100 Received: from cruella (criterion.canon.co.uk) by mailhost.canon.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01534; Tue, 20 Sep 94 14:53:59 BST Received: from dan by cruella (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06868; Tue, 20 Sep 94 14:52:38 BST Message-Id: <9409201352.AA06868@cruella.canon.co.uk> Sender: laukee From: David Lau-Kee To: nossdav-dist%telecomm.hpl.hp.com@hpl.hp.co.uk Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 14:54:43 +0000 Subject: Re: HP Pbulications (fwd) Reply-To: laukee@criterion.canon.co.uk Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.21) This is someone's emailing list that we're all on. (No, I don't know anything about its purpose, or why I'm on it either), but can we all *not* post anything until the list manager (you know who you are) plugs the hole by moderating, or issues a request for participation through which people can choose to unsubscribe. Thanks David [ Insert 'on-ramp confusion' witticism of choice here ] > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 08:02:44 -0500 (CDT) > From: graham campbell > Subject: HP Pbulications (fwd) > To: nossdav-dist%telecomm.hpl.hp.com@hpl.hp.co.uk > Somehow the following message ended up in my mailbox. > > Graham Campbell > Illinois Institute of Technology > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:02:06 BS3 > From: Israel Blajberg > To: nossdav-dist@telecomm.hpl.hp.com > Subject: HP Pbulications > > I would appreciatte to obtain the e-mail address of HP > sectors of Technical Publications and Training. > Thanks, > > Israel Blajberg > Rua Visc Cabo Frio 25 > Rio de Janeiro, Brasil 20510-160 > Fax: 55-21-220-1397 Internet: IBLAJ@vm.LNCC.br > > ------------------- David Lau-Kee, Criterion Software Ltd., A Canon Company. 20 Alan Turing Road, Guildford, Surrey, GU2 5YF, UK. laukee@criterion.canon.co.uk, +44-483-448800, fax +44-483-448811 RenderWare info line: rw-info@criterion.canon.co.uk, +44-483-448833 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 20 10:21:06 1994 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <25290-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 07:20:25 +0000 Received: from telecomm.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.4/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA21144; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 07:19:06 -0700 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by telecomm.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.8/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA23883; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 07:02:58 -0700 Received: from ceres.fokus.gmd.de by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.4/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA20765; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 07:00:42 -0700 X400-Received: by mta gmd-fokus-pp in /PRMD=gmd/ADMD=d400/C=de/; Relayed; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:58:37 +0200 X400-Received: by mta fokus-sun in /PRMD=gmd/ADMD=d400/C=de/; Relayed; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:58:18 +0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=gmd/ADMD=d400/C=de/; Relayed; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:58:18 +0200 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:58:18 +0200 X400-Originator: burak@fokus.berlin.gmd.d400.de X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=gmd/ADMD=d400/C=de/;940920155818] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: 78 Conversion: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed From: Markus Burak Message-Id: <78*/S=burak/OU=fokus/OU=berlin/PRMD=gmd/ADMD=d400/C=de/@MHS> To: nossdav-dist@telecomm.hpl.hp.com Subject: What the hack... happend with this mail. I've also received this mail and I have no idea how I got on this mailing list. Could somebody please clarify!? Thanks Markus ***************************************************** Forwarded IPMessage: To: Importance: normal Message-ID: inbox:91 9409200329.AA17381(a)hplms26.hpl.hp.com Subject: HP Pbulications I would appreciatte to obtain the e-mail address of HP sectors of Technical Publications and Training. Thanks, Israel Blajberg Rua Visc Cabo Frio 25 Rio de Janeiro, Brasil 20510-160 Fax: 55-21-220-1397 Internet: IBLAJ@vm.LNCC.br -- Markus Burak X.400: burak@fokus.berlin.gmd.d400.de German National Research internet: burak@fokus.gmd.de Center for Computer Science (GMD) voice: +49-30-25499-262, FAX: -202 Research Institute for Open Communication Systems (FOKUS) Hardenbergplatz 2, D-10623 Berlin, Germany ________________________________________________________________________________ The ATM Test & Management Center _____ _________ ________ / \\ |__ __|| / ___ \\ / /\ \\ | || / // \__\\ Markus Burak / //_\ \\ | || | || Jens Fahrenberg / ______ \\ | || | || ____ Joerg Micheel / // \ \\ | || \ \\__/ // Falk Schulz /__// \__\\ |__|| \_______// ________________________________________________________________________________ From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 20 10:24:08 1994 Received: from uu10.psi.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <25323-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 07:22:58 +0000 Received: by uu10.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA04596 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 94 10:18:00 -0400 Received: from snake by insoft2.insoft.com (4.1/RHP-1.0) id AA13503; Tue, 20 Sep 94 10:12:47 EDT Message-Id: <9409201412.AA13503@insoft2.insoft.com> Received: by snake (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05104; Tue, 20 Sep 94 10:11:55 -0400 From: John Wittkoski Subject: Re: Sparc 5 audio To: CASNER@ISI.EDU, rem-conf@es.net Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 10:11:54 EDT In-Reply-To: <780048739.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU>; from "Stephen Casner" at Sep 20, 94 1:12 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Steve, > Why did you choose to set the value to 1024? I note that you said it > also works with the value 160 as recommended by various multicast > readme files. The choice of 160 is to match the 20ms audio buffer > size used in vat, to minimize delay. With the older devices, the > default was 1024, and the result was breakup when multiple streams > were mixed (though I have not tested that recently since all my > kernels are patched to 160). The one Sparc 5 at ISI that is running > these tools is patched to 160, and that seems to work fine. Well, here in our office, I set it to 160 on the machines, but I just used 1024 in my example, since that's what Sun had always used in the past. > > Everything up to this point seems to point > > to a bug in the Sun audio code, but why does it only show up > > when running the multicast kernel? > > That would be a new data point. Are you saying that when running a > non-multicast application on these various kernels, only those kernels > with multicast will hang? Given that it may take four hours to hang, > perhaps this is hard to judge. No, not exactly. Here is a summary of my the data I have taken so far: (This data was all taken using a SS5) Application Type Hangs w/DMA_SETUP error? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ UNDER NON-MULTICAST KERNEL: Audio/Video received via unicast NO UNDER MULTICAST KERNEL: Audio/Video received via unicast NO Only Video received via multicast NO Audio/Video received via multicast YES My testing has not been extensive, (the error does not usually appear for at least an hour and we have limited Sparc 5's to test with). It appears that although the problem is in the Sun code, it only becomes apparent under the multicast kernel. Or, at least, it does not appear as quickly under the generic kernel. I will note, however, that some of the above tests were run for 12 hours or more without the error appearing. If anyone can has related experience with the above types of configurations, please let me know. I'd like to try and get more "data points" to help understand what's going on. It could be that in some of my tests, I just didn't wait long enough for them to fail, and am therefore coming to the incorrect conclusions. -- ----------------------------------------------------- John Wittkoski InSoft Technical Support Phone: (717) 730-9501 Email: jpw@insoft.com Fax : (717) 730-9504 ----------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 20 17:03:07 1994 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <27871-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 14:02:44 +0000 Received: from xfr.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-18) id ; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 14:02:40 -0700 Posted-Date: Tue 20 Sep 94 14:01:32 PDT Received: by xfr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id ; Tue, 20 Sep 94 14:01:34 PDT Date: Tue 20 Sep 94 14:01:32 PDT From: Stephen Casner Subject: Re: Sparc 5 audio To: web@merit.edu, rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: <780094892.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> In-Reply-To: <9409201311.AA26930@homerun.merit.edu> Mail-System-Version: > Could it be possible, given the faster speed of the SPARC 5 (compared to > earlier SPARC offerings), that 1024 (roughly six times 160) might give > comparable audio performance, or are the audio circuits clocked at a > (relatively) constant rate across SPARC platforms? No, this is counting audio samples which, for the usual 64Kb/s PCM audio, are at the constant rate of 125 microseconds/sample independent of platform. The first sample in the buffer is delayed by the time it takes to fill the buffer at that sample rate. This delay is a component of the overall end-to-end round-trip delay, which should be minimized for interactive conversations. Also, a query from Graeme Wood made me realize I was using the term loosely when I said: > The one Sparc 5 at ISI that is running > these tools is patched to 160, and that seems to work fine. I meant there are no apparent ill effects from the use of 160 for the length. We have the same problems with the audio that everyone else is having, namely popping sounds, workstation hanging, etc. -- Steve ------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Sep 20 20:46:36 1994 Received: from vlsi.cs.caltech.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <29631-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 17:46:13 +0000 Received: from fides.cs.caltech.edu by vlsi.cs.caltech.edu (4.1/1.34.1) id AA18258; Tue, 20 Sep 94 17:48:12 PDT Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 17:48:12 PDT From: schooler@cs.caltech.edu (Eve Schooler) Message-Id: <9409210048.AA18258@vlsi.cs.caltech.edu> To: confctrl@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Minor release of MMCC Cc: casner@isi.edu, schooler@cs.caltech.edu, touch@isi.edu Hi, We've fixed a minor bug in mmcc, which prohibited it from spawning nv3.3 properly. The new version (mmcc v.55a) can be retrieved via anonymous FTP from ftp.isi.edu:confctrl/mmcc as files "mmcc-*.tar.Z", and is available for the dec5k, decalpha, hp, sgi and sparc platforms. The solaris version should follow shortly. My apologies for not fixing this sooner! E. From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 21 09:37:42 1994 Received: from nikhefh.nikhef.nl by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <03520-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 21 Sep 1994 06:37:16 +0000 Received: by nikhefh.nikhef.nl; Wed, 21 Sep 1994 15:37:13 +0200 Message-Id: <9409211337.PA09592@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 15:37:13 +0200 From: a61@nikhef.nl (Herman van Dompseler) To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Does nv support Parallax cards on HP? Hi, The subject says it all. Does anyone know if nv supports the Parallax MultiVideo or PowerVideo card on HP? Thanks, Herman. From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 21 09:48:43 1994 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <03584-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 21 Sep 1994 06:48:16 +0000 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.festival; Wed, 21 Sep 1994 14:48:20 +0100 Received: from cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk by festival.ed.ac.uk id aa20813; 21 Sep 94 14:47 BST Received: from scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk by ucs.ed.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Sep 94 14:47:46 BST Date: Wed, 21 Sep 94 14:47:46 BST Message-Id: <3035.9409211347@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Graeme Wood Subject: Re: Does nv support Parallax cards on HP? To: Herman van Dompseler , rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: Herman van Dompseler's message of Wed, 21 Sep 1994 15:37:13 +0200 Reply-To: Graeme.Wood@ucs.edinburgh.ac.uk X-Department: Unix Systems Support, Computing Services X-Organisation: The University of Edinburgh X-Url: "http://ugwww.ucs.ed.ac.uk/~jaw/" X-Phone: +44 31 650 5003 X-Fax: +44 31 650 6552 > The subject says it all. > Does anyone know if nv supports the Parallax MultiVideo or PowerVideo card > on HP? I should probably let Ron Frederick reply to this but... The current ready built binary does not contain support for the Parallax card. However, the source comes with grab routines for this board as it is supported on the SPARC platform. I assume (dangerous, I know) that the API will be the same on the HP as it is on SPARC,so it should be fairly easy to compile an HP version from the source (I don't have easy access to an HP and do not have the Parallax libraries for HP so cannot confirm this). Graeme From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 21 11:55:59 1994 Received: from alpha.Xerox.COM by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <04477-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 21 Sep 1994 08:55:16 +0000 Received: from ecco.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.196]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14473(5)>; Wed, 21 Sep 1994 08:54:48 PDT Received: from localhost by ecco.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <16138>; Wed, 21 Sep 1994 08:54:33 -0700 To: Graeme.Wood@ucs.edinburgh.ac.uk cc: Herman van Dompseler , rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Does nv support Parallax cards on HP? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Sep 94 06:47:46 PDT." <3035.9409211347@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 08:54:27 PDT Sender: Ron Frederick From: Ron Frederick Message-Id: <94Sep21.085433pdt.16138@ecco.parc.xerox.com> In message <3035.9409211347@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk> you write: >> Does anyone know if nv supports the Parallax MultiVideo or PowerVideo card >> on HP? > > I should probably let Ron Frederick reply to this but... > > The current ready built binary does not contain support for the Parallax > card. However, the source comes with grab routines for this board as it > is supported on the SPARC platform. I assume (dangerous, I know) that > the API will be the same on the HP as it is on SPARC,so it should be > fairly easy to compile an HP version from the source (I don't have easy > access to an HP and do not have the Parallax libraries for HP so cannot > confirm this). > I believe the existing Parallax libraries on the HP aren't 100% compatible with the Sun libraries, even though they claim to provide the same interface. So, I don't think the Parallax grabber code will work as-is. However, it should be close, and I hope to eventually be able to make a version of the grabber that works in both places (as well as Solaris 2.x). -- Ron Frederick frederick@parc.xerox.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 21 12:17:30 1994 Received: from herman.cmf.nrl.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <04715-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 21 Sep 1994 09:16:33 +0000 Received: (from fenner@localhost) by herman.cmf.nrl.navy.mil (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id MAA05554 for rem-conf@es.net; Wed, 21 Sep 1994 12:16:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 12:16:08 -0400 From: "William C. Fenner" Message-Id: <199409211616.MAA05554@herman.cmf.nrl.navy.mil> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Key management for encrypted sessions I got tired of typing in the key for the cisco beta session every time I opened it up, so I added some meager key management to my .sd.tcl file. The keys are stored in a separate tcl file, in the form set {key(cisco beta)} {this is our sekrit dont tell anywun} # note that this isn't actually the key =) Note that this has all the privacy implications of storing plaintext keys on disk. Add this to your ~/.sd.tcl --------.sd.tcl------- source ~/private/sd_keys.tcl proc start_whiteboard {} { global sd_sess sd_whiteboard wb key set orient -l set recvonly +r foreach a $sd_whiteboard(attributes) { case $a { orient:portrait { set orient -p } orient:landscape { set orient -l } orient:seascape { set orient +l } recvonly { set recvonly -r } } } if {[info exists key($sd_sess(name))]} { exec $wb -t $sd_sess(ttl) -C "wb:$sd_sess(name)" $orient \ $recvonly -K "$key($sd_sess(name))" \ $sd_sess(address)/$sd_whiteboard(port) & } else { exec $wb -t $sd_sess(ttl) -C "wb:$sd_sess(name)" $orient \ $recvonly $sd_sess(address)/$sd_whiteboard(port) & } } set sd_menu(whiteboard) "orient: portrait landscape seascape\nrecvonly" proc start_audio {} { global sd_sess sd_audio key set audiofmt "" set packetfmt "-n" set priority "-P 100" set lecturemode "-c" foreach a $sd_audio(attributes) { case $a { fmt:* { set audiofmt [string range $a 4 end] } vt { set packetfmt "-v" } } } set confaddr [format "%s/%s/%s/%s/%s" $sd_sess(address) \ $sd_audio(port) $sd_audio(conf_id) $audiofmt $sd_sess(ttl)] case $sd_sess(name) { MBONE*Robot { set priority "-P 25" } Radio*Free*Vat { set priority "-P 10"; set lecturemode -l } NASA*Shuttle* { set lecturemode -l } } global vat if {[info exists key($sd_sess(name))]} { exec $vat -C "vat:$sd_sess(name)" $packetfmt $priority \ $lecturemode -K "$key($sd_sess(name))" $confaddr & } else { exec $vat -C "vat:$sd_sess(name)" $packetfmt $priority \ $lecturemode $confaddr & } } --------------------- Note that you might want to tune the vat lecturemode and priority settings to taste, or remove them altogether. I also found a bug in vat, which means that for encryption to work on startup you need to put the following in your .vat.tcl: -------.vat.tcl------- proc mk.entries { w } { global sessionKey sessionName confName set sessionKey [option get . sessionKey Vat] set sessionName [option get . sessionName Vat] mk.ent $w.name "Name: " $sessionName updateName mk.ent $w.title "Title: " $confName updateTitle frame $w.key checkbutton $w.key.button -text Key: -relief flat -font [ctrlfont] \ -command "toggleKey $w.key" -variable doEncryption \ -disabledforeground gray40 mk.entry $w.key updateKey $sessionKey updateKey $w.key.entry $sessionKey pack $w.key.button -side left pack $w.key.entry -side left -fill x -expand 1 pack $w.name $w.title $w.key -expand 1 -fill x } --------------------- Bill From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 21 13:05:01 1994 Received: from herman.cmf.nrl.navy.mil by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <12266-0@osi-east.es.net>; Wed, 21 Sep 1994 10:04:34 +0000 Received: (from fenner@localhost) by herman.cmf.nrl.navy.mil (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id NAA06435 for rem-conf@es.net; Wed, 21 Sep 1994 13:03:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 13:03:18 -0400 From: "William C. Fenner" Message-Id: <199409211703.NAA06435@herman.cmf.nrl.navy.mil> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Web page launching updated I posted some code a while back that launched Mosaic whenever you started a session that has a URL in it. I have since modified it to attempt to use the remote control feature to control any existing Mosaic process. It would be nice if I could do a little pop-up, or something, to ask if you want to start Mosaic, but that's going to have to wait until the tk version of sd. set mosaic Mosaic proc start_session {} { global sd_sess sd_priv mosaic # start up Mosaic if there is a URL in the description. if {[regexp {[a-zA-Z]+://[^ ]+} $sd_sess(description) url]} { foreach process [split [exec ps -g] "\n" ] { if {[regexp "(\[0-9]+).*$mosaic" $process junk pid]} { break } } if {[info exists pid]} { set mctrl [open "/tmp/Mosaic.$pid" w] puts $mctrl goto puts $mctrl $url close $mctrl exec kill -30 $pid exec rm /tmp/Mosaic.$pid } else { exec $mosaic $url & } } # invoke the appropriate start proc for each of the media # if such a proc exists and that media is enabled. foreach m $sd_sess(media) { if { [llength [info proc start_$m]] && $sd_priv($m) } { start_$m } } } From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 21 13:33:41 1994 Received: from netwolf.umd.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <05404-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 21 Sep 1994 10:32:25 +0000 Received: from localhost by netwolf.umd.edu (NX5.67d/NeXT-2.0) id AA26271; Wed, 21 Sep 94 13:32:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9409211732.AA26271@netwolf.umd.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net From: "Michael G. Petry" Subject: FDDI Multicasting using ipmulti3.3-sunos413x.tar Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 13:32:13 -0400 Sender: petry@netwolf.umd.edu Hi, I tried using the new "bf" driver that came with the ipmulti3.3-sunos413x.tar distribution and haven't had much success. Everything seems to build, run, and load without trouble. The interface seems to pass packets in and out from the netstat output, but simple pings don't work. Anyone seen the same? Thanks, Mike Petry Univ of Maryland College Park From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 21 15:33:01 1994 Received: from eitech.eit.COM by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <07282-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 21 Sep 1994 12:32:28 +0000 Received: from collage (collage.eit.COM) by eitech.eit.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16061; Wed, 21 Sep 94 12:32:23 PDT Date: Wed, 21 Sep 94 12:32:23 PDT From: vinay@eit.COM (Vinay Kumar) Message-Id: <9409211932.AA16061@eitech.eit.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: MIWeb: Announce availability Cc: mbone@isi.edu Reply-To: vinay@eit.COM [ Apologize if you are seeing two copies of this ] This is to announce the availability of MIWeb (MBONE Information Web) Server for the purpose of providing and coordinating information on MBone and related activities. This Server serves information on software, hardware, references, contact information, news, whats-new, and other relevant information associated with MBone. I will be more than happy to coordinate this information with other MBone information providers that are out there, so please free to send in interesting pointers. To get at MIWeb, point your WWW clients to: http://www.eit.com/techinfo/mbone/mbone.html Feedback, suggestions always welcome. Enjoy, -- Vinay Kumar vinay@eit.com Acknowledgements: Kevin Hughes, EIT Jay Glicksman, EIT Brian Smithson, EIT Henning Schulzrinne, Fokus James Donnelley, LLNL Thierry Turletti, INRIA Dan Mosedale, MCOM and all others who contributed feedbacks, suggestions... From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 22 04:33:32 1994 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <11892-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 22 Sep 1994 01:33:03 +0000 Received: from waffle.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:32:46 +0100 To: vinay@eit.COM cc: rem-conf@es.net, mbone@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: MIWeb: Announce availability In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Sep 94 12:32:23 PDT." <9409211932.AA16061@eitech.eit.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 94 09:32:43 +0100 Message-ID: <806.780222763@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Jon Crowcroft well, you might want to point at the MICE project National Support Centers, who have a lot of the info you have, and some more, and are more appropriate for good response time from europe (where there are about as many internet sites as in the US:-) see http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mice/mice-nsc/index.html for ours, and a list of other national NSCs (this ins't definitive): Netherlands - CWI, Amsterdam http://www.cwi.nl/mice/mice.html Germany - RUS, Stuttgart http://www-ks.rus.uni-stuttgart.de/mice-nsc/ Belgium - ULB, Brussels http://www.iihe.ac.be/mice-nsc/ Norway - UiO, Oslo http://www.uio.no/usit/Utviklingsseksjonen/mice-nsc/ Sweden - KTH, Stockholm http://www.it.kth.se/TSlab/MICE-NSC/index.html France - INRIA, Sophia Antipolis http://zenon.inria.fr:8003/rodeo/mice-nsc/panorama.html Scotland - Glasgow and Edinburgh Centres http://mice.ed.ac.uk/mice/ jon From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 22 09:23:18 1994 Received: from nikhefh.nikhef.nl by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <13354-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 22 Sep 1994 06:22:55 +0000 Received: by nikhefh.nikhef.nl; Thu, 22 Sep 1994 15:22:52 +0200 Message-Id: <9409221322.PA03745@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 15:22:52 +0200 From: a61@nikhef.nl (Herman van Dompseler) To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Conferencing software for HP. Hi, We are installing conferencing software on our HP platforms. However, there are some tools we can not find for HP. We don't know if they are available yet but if so, does anyone know where we can obtain WBimport, IVS and NEVOT for HP? If they are not available, are there any plans to make these tools work on HP? Thanks, Herman. From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 22 10:51:14 1994 Received: from ceres.fokus.gmd.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <14053-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 22 Sep 1994 07:50:39 +0000 Received: from fokus.gmd.de by ceres.fokus.gmd.de id <10311-0@ceres.fokus.gmd.de>; Thu, 22 Sep 1994 16:52:34 +0200 Subject: Re: Conferencing software for HP. To: a61@nikhef.nl Cc: rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 16:52:34 +0200 From: Henning Schulzrinne Sender: schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de > Hi, > > We are installing conferencing software on our HP platforms. However, > there are some tools we can not find for HP. We don't know if they are > available yet but if so, does anyone know where we can obtain WBimport, > IVS and NEVOT for HP? All but the audio interface routine of Nevot 3.6 compile and run on HP. Volunteers willing to help with this are solicited. (HP audio is a bit strange, with a /dev/audio-like interface hiding underneath. It does not seem to be documented, however.) Snippets of audio code are also appreciated. -- Henning Schulzrinne email: hgs@fokus.gmd.de GMD-Fokus phone: +49 30 25499 219 Hardenbergplatz 2 fax: +49 30 25499 202 D-10623 Berlin hphone: +49 117 432 4741 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 22 13:23:33 1994 Received: from Sun.COM by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <15552-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:22:55 +0000 Received: from West.Sun.COM (west.West.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AB25686; Thu, 22 Sep 94 10:22:07 PDT Received: from sunkist.West.Sun.Com by West.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-5.3) id AA18312; Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:22:01 +0800 Received: from guerilla.West.Sun.Com by sunkist.West.Sun.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20262; Thu, 22 Sep 94 10:21:59 PDT Received: by guerilla.West.Sun.Com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02313; Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:21:59 +0800 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:21:59 +0800 From: rede@guerilla.West.Sun.COM (Mike Rede SE Irvine CA 714-251-2523) Message-Id: <9409221721.AA02313@guerilla.West.Sun.Com> To: a61@nikhef.nl, rem-conf-request@es.net Subject: Re: Conferencing software for HP. Cc: schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de, rem-conf@es.net X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 147 Can someone please take me off this alias and all the subaliases that people seem to have created out there. Isn't a newsgroup warranted by now? From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 22 22:36:56 1994 Received: from george.lbl.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <20024-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 22 Sep 1994 19:36:22 +0000 Received: from portnoy.lbl.gov (portnoy.lbl.gov [128.3.196.85]) by george.lbl.gov (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA04936; Thu, 22 Sep 1994 19:36:07 -0700 From: Hanan Herzog Received: (hanan@localhost) by portnoy.lbl.gov (8.6.7/8.6.5) id TAA04186; Thu, 22 Sep 1994 19:36:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 19:36:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199409230236.TAA04186@portnoy.lbl.gov> To: Graeme.Wood@ucs.edinburgh.ac.uk CC: jpw@insoft2.insoft.com, rem-conf@es.net, mice-nsc-scotland@edinburgh.ac.uk In-reply-to: <818.9409201020@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk> (message from Graeme Wood on Tue, 20 Sep 94 11:20:55 BST) Subject: Re: Sparc 5 audio Reply-to: HMHerzog@lbl.gov I am jumping into this discussion, sorry if I am missing something obvious. Last time I checked, VAT supported AudioFile in some sense. Does anyone have experience using VAT with DEC's AudioFile server? It seems to me that if the sounds quality of VAT->AF is comparable to VAT->/dev/audio*, then efforts would be best spent on making sure AudioFile works properly with the SPARC 5 audio driver. This way, the effort of porting various audio tools to new audio devices will be avoided. Afterall, this is what AudioFile was designed for. Of course if AudioFile accesses /dev/audio* the same way VAT does (pretty likely), the problem does not go away... (I am not affiliated with Van's group at LBL.) Hanan Herzog / IDCG - Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory / Phone: (510) 486-4519 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 23 05:38:57 1994 Received: from jerry.inria.fr by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <22427-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 02:38:21 +0000 Received: by jerry.inria.fr (5.65c8/IDA-1.2.8) id AA06044; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 11:37:06 +0200 Message-Id: <199409230937.AA06044@jerry.inria.fr> To: a61@nikhef.nl (Herman van Dompseler) Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Conferencing software for HP. In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 22 Sep 1994 15:22:52 +0200. <9409221322.PA03745@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Reply-To: Thierry.Turletti@sophia.inria.fr Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 11:37:02 +0200 From: Thierry Turletti => We are installing conferencing software on our HP platforms. However, => there are some tools we can not find for HP. We don't know if they are => available yet but if so, does anyone know where we can obtain WBimport, => IVS and NEVOT for HP? => If they are not available, are there any plans to make these tools work on HP? => => Thanks, => => Herman. I was told that binaries for the latest version of IVS [3.3m3] on HP-UX are available via anonymous ftp at: ivs-3.3.tar.gz:Location: ftp://ftp.csc.liv.ac.uk/hpux9/Networking/ BTW, sources are available in the default ftp site: zenon.inria.fr:rodeo/ivs/last_version. I'll add them to the default ftp site as soon as I know they are really working. Thierry --------- Project RODEO - INRIA - e-mail: Thierry.Turletti@sophia.inria.fr 2004 route des Lucioles ivs-site: jerry.inria.fr BP 93, 06902 Sophia Antipolis Phone: (33) 93 65 79 88 FRANCE Fax: (33) 93 65 77 65 >>>>>>http://zenon.inria.fr:8003/rodeo/personnel/Thierry.Turletti/me.html<<<<<< From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 23 08:54:54 1994 Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <23199-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:54:30 +0000 Received: from macbeth.cs.duke.edu by duke.cs.duke.edu (5.65/3.10G/4.1.3) id AA18477; Fri, 23 Sep 94 08:54:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by macbeth.cs.duke.edu (5.65/3.10L/4.1.3) id AA02888; Fri, 23 Sep 94 08:54:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9409231254.AA02888@macbeth.cs.duke.edu> To: HMHerzog@lbl.gov Cc: Graeme.Wood@ucs.edinburgh.ac.uk, jpw@insoft2.insoft.com, rem-conf@es.net, mice-nsc-scotland@edinburgh.ac.uk Subject: AudioFile (Was Re: Sparc 5 audio) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 22 Sep 1994 19:36:06 PDT." <199409230236.TAA04186@portnoy.lbl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <2885.780324856.1@macbeth.cs.duke.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 08:54:16 -0400 From: Thomas Pusateri In message <199409230236.TAA04186@portnoy.lbl.gov> you write: > > >Last time I checked, VAT supported AudioFile in some sense. Does >anyone have experience using VAT with DEC's AudioFile server? > On a side note, Is there a document or sample code describing the AudioFile interface? I would be interested in using this on other architectures. Tom From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 23 11:36:37 1994 Received: from freya.cs.umass.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <24136-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 08:36:03 +0000 Received: by cs.umass.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA11420; Fri, 23 Sep 94 11:35:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by giane.cs.umass.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA09347 for rem-conf@es.net; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 11:35:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199409231535.LAA09347@giane.cs.umass.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: giane.cs.umass.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: AudioFile (Was Re: Sparc 5 audio) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 23 Sep 94 08:54:16 EDT." <9409231254.AA02888@macbeth.cs.duke.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 11:35:55 -0400 From: sbmoon@freya.cs.umass.edu X-Mts: smtp > On a side note, Is there a document or sample code describing the > AudioFile interface? I would be interested in using this on > other architectures. > > Tom You can find everything on AudioFile >from the document and the source code for clients and server, to sample audio files at gatekeeper.dec.com:pub/DEC/AF. There's a mailing list for discussion of AF: af@crl.dec.com. As rem-conf@es.com, the request must be sent to af-request@crl.dec.com to join the list. -Sue From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 23 12:40:38 1994 Received: from dax.cc.uakron.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <24727-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 09:40:09 +0000 Received: by dax.cc.uakron.edu (5.65/Ultrix4.3) id AA19739; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 12:39:13 -0400 From: greggt@dax.cc.uakron.edu (Gregg F. Thompson) Message-Id: <9409231639.AA19739@dax.cc.uakron.edu> Subject: Since someone else has brought it up... VAT->AF on an HP??? To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 12:39:12 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL16] I am in need of a version of VAT on an HP that supports AF so I can use HP's multimedia X window terminals (Envizex) to do unicast sessions. The terminals have a built-in speaker and a microphone (at least the ones I have access to do). I have them setup properly with AF loaded and can send sound files to them, but when I run the HP version of vat I got off the internet it doesn't honor the ASERVER variable. Any help would be appreciated, GRegg From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 23 14:39:36 1994 Received: from dax.cc.uakron.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <25929-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 11:38:38 +0000 Received: by dax.cc.uakron.edu (5.65/Ultrix4.3) id AA27065; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 14:37:36 -0400 From: greggt@dax.cc.uakron.edu (Gregg F. Thompson) Message-Id: <9409231837.AA27065@dax.cc.uakron.edu> Subject: Re: Since someone else has brought it up... VAT->AF on an HP??? To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 14:37:36 EDT In-Reply-To: <9409231639.AA19739@dax.cc.uakron.edu>; from "Gregg F. Thompson" at Sep 23, 94 12:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL16] I re-read the manual, and it is not AudioFile it is HP's Audio Application Program Interface that the HP X-Window terminals support. So I need a vat compiled against HP's network audio stuff. Sorry for the confusion, GRegg From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 23 17:26:15 1994 Received: from relay.hp.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <27521-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 14:25:50 +0000 Received: from it_750.ch.apollo.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.8/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA24753; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 14:25:47 -0700 Message-Id: <9409232125.AA24753@relay.hp.com> Received: from york.ch.apollo.hp.com by it_750.ch.apollo.hp.com for rem-conf@es.net id AA05335; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:25:47 -0400 To: greggt@dax.cc.uakron.edu (Gregg F. Thompson) Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Since someone else has brought it up... VAT->AF on an HP??? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 23 Sep 1994 14:37:36 EDT." <9409231837.AA27065@dax.cc.uakron.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.3 4/7/94 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:25:46 -0400 From: John Brezak > I re-read the manual, and it is not AudioFile it is HP's Audio Application > Program Interface that the HP X-Window terminals support. > > So I need a vat compiled against HP's network audio stuff. > > Sorry for the confusion, > GRegg You might try using vat 3.4 with the "-U" option. This will cause vat to use a filesystem (unix) socket. There is an example relay program - audiosock.tar.Z (?) on ftp.ee.lbl.gov that you can look at. You will need to add the Alib calls to it. But once it is done I'm sure others would be interested. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= John Brezak UUCP: uunet!apollo.hp!brezak Hewlett Packard/Apollo Internet: brezak@ch.hp.com 300 Apollo Drive Phone: (508) 436-4915 Chelmsford, Massachusetts Fax: (508) 436-5140 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Sep 24 05:30:49 1994 Received: from ceres.fokus.gmd.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <01690-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sat, 24 Sep 1994 02:30:17 +0000 Received: from fokus.gmd.de by ceres.fokus.gmd.de id <13907-0@ceres.fokus.gmd.de>; Sat, 24 Sep 1994 11:32:16 +0200 Subject: ivs audio To: Thierry.Turletti@sophia.inria.fr Cc: rem-conf@es.net Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 11:32:16 +0200 From: Henning Schulzrinne Sender: schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de Thierry: I'm trying to put together a summary of the different ways of handling audio. I tried understanding how ivs does it, but I'm not sure I got it right. My rough understanding: Reading audio data is triggered by an Xt timer every ??? milliseconds. Incoming audio data is delayed according to playback time and inserted into a time-sequenced linked list after conversion. What happens during pauses? How/when does mixing occur? What triggers audio playback (writing of samples to audio device)? Btw, the NeVoT approach is documented in the NeVoT user's guide (nevot.ps). Thanks for any help. Henning From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 28 08:26:00 1994 Received: from rose.vivo.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <00343-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 28 Sep 1994 05:25:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: by rose.vivo.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0101; Wed, 28 Sep 94 08:24:06 -0700 Message-Id: <9409281524.AA0101@rose.vivo.com> Received: from VIVO with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 42E9B3F60C82F51E852560D80043FDF0; Wed, 28 Sep 94 08:24:05 To: rem-conf From: Daniel "A." 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Dr. John Limb, Georgia Tech Dr. Gerald Marin, IBM Dr. Nick Maxemchuk, Bell Laboratories Mr. Alan Pierce, GTE Mr. Dan Stevenson, Microelectronics Center of NC Mr. Bill Smith, BellSouth Telecom Mr. Steven Willis, Wellfleet Communications * Keynote speakers FEE: $215.00 (Includes meals) REGISTRATION: Please send this form and a $215.00 check payable to "Clemson University" to: Ms. Wendy Winn Center for Computer Communication Systems 105 Riggs Hall Clemson, SC 29634 Phone: (803) 656-0848 Fax: (803) 656-5910 Email: wwendy@eng.clemson.edu Name: Affiliation: Address: Phone: E-mail Address: AGENDA: November 10 8:00 A Continental Breakfast 8:30 Keynote Talk "Local Computer Networks at Gigabit and Terabit Bandwidths" Dr. Craig Partridge, Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. 9:00 Break 9:40 Introduction To Conference/Advisory Board Dr. John Spragins, Director, CCCS and Ms. Wendy Winn, Program Developer, CCCS, Clemson University 10:00 Featured Talk "Broadband Communications to the Home and Community" Dr. John Limb, Professor, College of Computing, Georgia Tech 10:45 Featured Talk "Electronic Distribution of Newspapers and Magazines" Dr. Nick Maxemchuck, Department Head, AT&T Bell Laboratories. 11:30 CCCS Faculty Talk "The Information Superhighway-Expectations for Agricultural Risk Management" Dr. Dale Linvill, Agricultural & Biological Engineering, Clemson 11:50 Lunch/Poster Fair 1:30 P Featured Talk "North Carolina Information Highway: Background, Technology, Applications and Implementation Status" Mr. Bill Smith, Senior Director Broadband Development, BellSouth 2:15 Featured Talk "Development of High Performance Telecommunications Networks from the Northern Telecom Perspective" Mr. Marc Williams,Director, Market Development, Broadband Services, Northern Telecom 3:00 Break 3:10 CCCS Faculty Talk "Performance Modeling of Transient Network Behavior" Dr. David Tipper, University of Pittsburgh 3:30 CCCS Faculty Talk "Wireless Communications Research at Clemson" Dr. Carl Baum, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Clemson 3:50 Featured Talk "The AURORA Gigabit Testbed - History and Results" Dr. Dave Feldmeier, Member of Technical Staff, Bellcore 4:35 Concluding Remarks/Poster Session Judging takes place 6:30 Reception/Dinner November 11 8:00 A Continental Breakfast Announce poster fair winners 8:30 Keynote Talk "ATM Networks: Issues and Challenges Ahead" Dr. Raj Jain, Professor, Ohio State University 9:15 Featured Talk "Information Security in Gigabit Networks" Mr. Dan Stevenson, Manager of Communications Research, Microelectronics Center of North Carolina 10:00 Break 10:10 CCCS Faculty Talk "The Viability of Competition in the New World of Telecommunications" Dr. Michael T. Maloney and Dr. Robert E. McCormick, Economics, Clemson 10:30 Featured Talk "Recent Advances in Rate-based Traffic Management for ATM Networks" Dr. Michael G. Hluchyj, Vice President, Chief Technology Officer, Summa Four, Inc. 11:15 CCCS Faculty Talk "Image Tracking, Binary Error Correction, and Memory Management with One Type of Tool: Neural Networks" Dr. Clark Jeffries, Mathematical Sciences, Clemson 11:35 CCCS Faculty Talk "The Earth in the Balance, or Why We Need Gb/s NOW!" Dr. Walt Ligon, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Clemson 11:55 Buffet Luncheon 1:30 P Featured Talk "Issues in Integrating Multiprotocol and ATM Routing" Mr. Steven Willis, Director, Network Technology, Wellfleet Communications, Inc. 2:15 Featured Talk "An Integrated Approach to High Speed, Multimedia (ATM) Networking." Dr. Gerald A. Marin, Manager High Band Width Networking, IBM 3:00 Break 3:10 CCCS Faculty Talk "Code Recognition Using Prescribed Adaptive Resonance Theory Neural Networks" Dr. Gene Tagliarini, Computer Science, Clemson 3:30 Featured Talk "A Flexible Lab-Scale Platform for ATM Network Research" Mr. Alan Pierce, Network Transport Systems Department, GTE Laboratories 4:15 Closing Remarks LODGING: Blocks of rooms have been reserved, until October 30, at The Clemson House (803) 646-2082, and The Ramada Inn (803) 654-7401. Space is limited so register early. Other recommended Clemson hotels include The Comfort Inn (803) 653-3600 and The Holiday Inn (803) 654-4450. From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 28 11:58:25 1994 Received: from icil64.cilea.it by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <01940-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 28 Sep 1994 08:57:36 +0000 Received: from [131.175.1.95] (uff29mac.cilea.it) by ICIL64.CILEA.IT (PMDF V4.2-14 #2920) id <01HHNILEDBKW8WZGQ5@ICIL64.CILEA.IT>; Wed, 28 Sep 1994 16:57:06 MET-DST Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 17:57:15 +0200 From: calegari@icil64.cilea.it (Antonio Calegari) Subject: video cards for SunOS 4.1.x To: rem-conf@es.net Message-id: <01HHNILEMYSY8WZGQ5@ICIL64.CILEA.IT> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sender: calegari@icil64 Hello everybody, we are going to buy a video card for SPARC/SunOS 4... Does anybody have "uninterested" suggestions: Parallax, VideoPix , ... ? Thank You -- Antonio Calegari CILEA - Segrate - Italy tel. : +39 (0)2 26995 257 email: calegari@icil64.cilea.it From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Sep 28 12:18:12 1994 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <02017-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 28 Sep 1994 09:17:33 +0000 Received: from shrew.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Wed, 28 Sep 1994 17:14:57 +0100 From: Mark Handley Organisation: University College London, CS Dept. Phone: +44 71 380 7777 ext 3666 To: calegari@icil64.cilea.it (Antonio Calegari) cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: video cards for SunOS 4.1.x In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Sep 94 17:57:15 +0100." <01HHNILEMYSY8WZGQ5@ICIL64.CILEA.IT> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 17:14:55 +0100 Message-ID: <4116.780768895@cs.ucl.ac.uk> Sender: M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk >we are going to buy a video card for SPARC/SunOS 4... > >Does anybody have "uninterested" suggestions: Parallax, VideoPix , ... ? Videopix is ancient and slow. Parallax is expensive and quirky (though good if you want JPEG I guess). SunVideo only runs on Solaris 2.x. The ParcVideo card looks like being the tool for the job, when the company that'll be making them commercially gets them ready. Mark From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 29 01:16:28 1994 Received: from nic.cerf.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <05160-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 28 Sep 1994 22:16:01 +0000 Received: from calvin.vigra.com (vigra.com [134.24.6.112]) by nic.cerf.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA26280 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 1994 22:15:56 -0700 Received: from susie.vigra.com by calvin.vigra.com (4.1/Vigra-8.11-extern) id AA01605; Wed, 28 Sep 94 18:24:43 PDT Received: by susie.vigra.com (4.1/Vigra-8.11-smtp) id AA02068; Wed, 28 Sep 94 18:24:43 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 18:24:43 PDT From: Steve Haehnichen Message-Id: <9409290124.AA02068@susie.vigra.com> To: rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: Mark Handley's message of Wed, 28 Sep 1994 16:14:55 GMT Subject: Re: video cards for SunOS 4.1.x Reply-To: steve@vigra.com -=> On Wed, 28 Sep 1994 16:14:55 GMT, Mark Handley said: >> we are going to buy a video card for SPARC/SunOS 4... >> >> Does anybody have "uninterested" suggestions: Parallax, VideoPix , ... ? [ Warning: "Interested" party posting] > Videopix is ancient and slow. Parallax is expensive and quirky > (though good if you want JPEG I guess). SunVideo only runs on > Solaris 2.x. The ParcVideo card looks like being the tool for the > job, when the company that'll be making them commercially gets them > ready. And we're almost ready. :-) I'm working on the software right now, and the boards are being manufactured. I think they're taking advance orders for them now, but nothing will ship until early November. I got a lot of replies from the last VigraPix message, and many folks had questions on it. If it's OK, I'll answer them here. First, the VigraPix hardware is *very* similar to the PARC Video card. For legal reasons beyond my understanding, I'm not allowed to mention the name of the company we licensed the design from, but it's no mystery. Anyway, most of the questions concerned performance, so here are some simple frame rates that I measured on a Sparc 10/50. The "preview" software just sucks the YUV bytes from the board, converts them to RGB and uses X shared memory to slap them up on the screen. Color: Grey-scale: 640x480 5 fps 9 fps 340x255 18 fps 30 fps 320x240 22 fps 30 fps 267x200 30 fps 30 fps These are all rounded to the nearest fps. If you don't display the data, just slurp it in over the SBus, the SS10 will do 400x300 or smaller at 30 fps. Slower bus speeds and slower CPUs will decrease the frame rate, of course. The board does *not* do: - Compression - Decompression - Video output - Audio It's also not a framebuffer like some of the Parallax boards. It's just a video frame grabber that makes the scaled uncompressed YUV/greyscale data available over the SBus. We will have drivers for both SunOS 4.1.x and Solaris 2.x when the board ships. All source code the library, sample apps, and drivers is included. The price is $995. I got a lot of folks interested in sample boards for research and such, and I hope to get those out first. I can post an update in a month or so if anyone's interested. -Steve -- Steve Haehnichen Vigra, Inc. San Diego, CA steve@vigra.com (619) 597-7080 x116 Fax: (619) 597-7094 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 29 05:17:48 1994 Received: from sangam.ncst.ernet.in by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <06719-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 02:17:18 +0000 Received: from soochak.ncst.ernet.in (soochak.ncst.ernet.in [144.16.11.100]) by sangam.ncst.ernet.in (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA20831 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 14:46:35 +0500 From: anand@ece.iisc.ernet.in Received: from nic.iisc.ernet.in (twisha.ece.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.4]) by soochak.ncst.ernet.in (8.6.8.1/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA11181 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 14:45:40 +0530 Received: from ece.iisc.ernet.in by nic.iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/AT&T UNIX SYS V.3.2) id AA09406; Thu, 29 Sep 94 14:45:16 EST Received: by ece.iisc.ernet.in (4.1/SMI-4.1-MHS-7.0) id AA01570; Thu, 29 Sep 94 14:51:01+0530 Message-Id: <9409290921.AA01570@ece.iisc.ernet.in> X-Organisation: Indian Institute Of Science, Bangalore Subject: Playout time To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 29 Sep 94 14:50:59 GMT+5:30 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Hello, I am having the following doubts/apprehensions as to how to make use of Timestamps and the playout time at the synchronisation points. These doubts are persisting inspite of my reading about RTP protocol and the design issues considered therein. I am sure that these issues would have been already addressed. Please pardon me if these are too basic. For one thing, I intuitively feel that irrespective of the algorithm we use there is always some assumption we have to make and with confidence we cannot say that voice on internet works all the time with no glitches and clippings. With network jitter I guess we can only hope for the best. 1. Once I receive the first voice packet that has sync bit set, how I decide about the playout time ? Even if I make use of the worst case delay, does it ensure a continuous playout without receiver starvation ? If I am write, is the initial playout delay because we want to accumulate some voice packets before playing out so that continuous playback is possible ? 2. Consider the situation where we have 20ms speech packets coming with a typical a delay of 1sec. The worst case delay, say, is 5sec. After a silence period( say) we have an indication of fresh talk spurt. Certainly I cannot start playing out by looking at the timestamp, if the silence period is not enough as I might have exhausted all the voice packets I have received. If I wait for 5 secs expecting that I receive some before feeding the receiver, there can be a situation whereby the first packet after the silence period experiences that 5 sec delay. Now am I not living in the edge with just one packet and hoping that the one on transit arrives hopefully on time ? I hope I could convey properly. Since I plan to implement remote seminar I also like to know the typical values to be assigned for playout times so that at no point I face receiver starvation. Thanks for spending your time reading this mail. regards Anand. From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 29 06:30:51 1994 Received: from ceres.fokus.gmd.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <07042-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 03:30:27 +0000 Received: from fokus.gmd.de by ceres.fokus.gmd.de id <18035-0@ceres.fokus.gmd.de>; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:30:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Playout time To: anand@ece.iisc.ernet.in Cc: rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:30:49 +0100 From: Henning Schulzrinne Sender: schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de [anand@ece.iisc.ernet.in asking about playout delay.] You might enjoy reading some of the existing literature on the subject. Search for 'playout' or 'packet voice' on http://www.research.att.com/ In particular (shameless plug alert), consider the Infocom'94 paper by Ramjee Ramachandran et al., the NeVoT documentation (see URL below), or the (now expired) avt issues draft (available on ftp://gaia.cs.umass.edu/pub/hgschulz/rtp/). Henning -- Henning Schulzrinne email: hgs@fokus.gmd.de GMD-Fokus phone: +49 30 25499 219 Hardenbergplatz 2 fax: +49 30 25499 202 D-10623 Berlin URL: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/htbin/info/minos/hgs From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 29 10:02:49 1994 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <07953-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 07:02:19 +0000 Received: from erasmus.rare.nl by relay.surfnet.nl with SMTP (PP) id <09861-0@relay.surfnet.nl>; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 14:31:51 +0100 Received: by erasmus.rare.nl (5.65c/4.31) id AA16597; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 14:32:23 +0100 From: martin@rare.nl (John Martin) Message-Id: <199409291332.AA16597@erasmus.rare.nl> Subject: IPng Walkthrough 2 - Europe To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 14:32:22 +0100 (MET) Cc: JENNINGS@IRLEARN.UCD.IE (Dennis Jennings), sob@harvard.edu Organisation: RARE Address: Singel 466-468, NL-1017 AW Amsterdam Phone: +31 20 639 1131 (voice) +31 20 639 3289 (fax) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 536 Hi, On Wednesday 26th October between 2:00pm and 5:00pm CET at Interop in Paris, there will be another IPng Walkthrough. This is principally for the European audience who were unable to attend the first walkthrough. The session will be multicast. The session will be chaired by Scott Bradner and a more comprehensive announcement will be sent out when details have been finalised. Though the details have not been finalised yet, it was felt that advance warning to mbone and rem-conf was necessary to avoid clashes. Regards, John From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 29 12:06:43 1994 Received: from merlot.arc.nasa.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <08481-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 09:06:18 +0000 Received: from localhost.arc.nasa.gov by merlot.arc.nasa.gov (8.6.8/1.35) id JAA29320; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 09:08:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199409291608.JAA29320@merlot.arc.nasa.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net cc: anaops@atlas.arc.nasa.gov Subject: Shuttle Mission STS-68 Broadcast... Reply-to: awdeacon@atlas.arc.nasa.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 09:08:39 -0700 From: Alex Deacon - NAIC We will be broadcasting NASA's STS-68 Shuttls Mission. Estimated launch time is Friday September 30, 1994 at 14:30 GMT(7:17 EDT, 4:17 PDT). The mission is planned to last 10 days. Broadcasting will commence Friday September 29, 1994 01:00 GMT (21:00 EDT, 18:00 PDT) We will be broadcasting with a TTL 127 For more information see http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/sts-68/mission-sts-68.html As always, we will be standing by to reduce bandwidth to share the MBONE. Please feel free to direct any questions or concerns to anaops@atlas.arc.nasa.gov. Regards, Alex --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Deacon NAIC Email: naic@nasa.gov Network Applications and NAIC 800 #: 800-858-9947 Information Center (NAIC) NAIC Phone: 415-604-0600 NASA Ames Research Center M/S 204-100 Email: awdeacon@atlas.arc.nasa.gov Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 Phone: 415-604-0752 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 29 14:46:12 1994 Received: from merlot.arc.nasa.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09878-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:45:39 +0000 Received: from localhost.arc.nasa.gov by merlot.arc.nasa.gov (8.6.8/1.35) id LAA00234; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:48:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199409291848.LAA00234@merlot.arc.nasa.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: STS-68 corrction Reply-to: awdeacon@atlas.arc.nasa.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:48:05 -0700 From: Alex Deacon - NAIC Correction: STS-68 will is scheduled to be launched at (approx.) 15:17 GMT (7:17 EDT) on Friday September 30, 1994. My GMT converstion was incorrect. Alex - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- We will be broadcasting NASA's STS-68 Shuttls Mission. Estimated launch time is Friday September 30, 1994 at 14:30 GMT(7:17 EDT, 4:17 PDT). The mission is planned to last 10 days. Broadcasting will commence Friday September 29, 1994 01:00 GMT (21:00 EDT, 18:00 PDT) We will be broadcasting with a TTL 127 For more information see http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/sts-68/mission-sts-68.html As always, we will be standing by to reduce bandwidth to share the MBONE. Please feel free to direct any questions or concerns to anaops@atlas.arc.nasa.gov. Regards, Alex - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Deacon NAIC Email: naic@nasa.gov Network Applications and NAIC 800 #: 800-858-9947 Information Center (NAIC) NAIC Phone: 415-604-0600 NASA Ames Research Center M/S 204-100 Email: awdeacon@atlas.arc.nasa.gov Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 Phone: 415-604-0752 - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- End of Forwarded Message From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 29 16:33:55 1994 Received: from lust.mrrl.lut.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <10654-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 13:33:31 +0000 Received: (martin@localhost) by lust.mrrl.lut.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA10025; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 21:33:12 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 21:33:11 +0100 (BST) From: Martin Hamilton To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net, cu-seeme-l@cornell.edu Subject: AGOCG videoconferencing questionnaire Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NB Send filled in questionnaires to l.m.butters@lut.ac.uk, not to me! :-) Martin -- I am currently investigating the use of videoconferencing for AGOCG (Advisory Group on Computer Graphics). I would like to know about the equipment that you are using, and your opinions of that equipment. In addition I would like to know how you think you might be using videoconferencing technology in the future. The questionnaire should take about ten or fifteen minute to complete. I hope you can find the time to help with this research. Please add any comments at the end if you do not feel that the questionnaire has covered other issues which you consider to be relevant. Please return to: Lindsey Butters, HUSAT Research Institute, The Elms, Elms Grove, Loughborough, Leicestershire, LE11 1RG. By 10th October. Tel: +44 (0)509 611088 Fax: +44 (0)509 234651 e-mail: l.m.butters@lut.ac.uk You are encouraged to copy this questionnaire and pass it to friends or colleagues Please give some personal details Job Title Main field of interest What equipment do you use for videoconferencing? (Please give details of the make, model, hardware, software, etc., if known.) Where is it situated? (e.g. In your office, in a videoconferencing room, etc.) Who installed your equipment? Retailer Manufacturer Local expert Yourself Was the installation procedure acceptable to you? Please explain. Who supports your equipment? (Where would you go if it went wrong?) How do you rate this support? Excellent Good Adequate Poor Please explain your rating. Which uses do you have for this equipment? Personal communication Presentations Education Research Collaborative work No use yet Other Is this what you anticipated? Please explain. IF YOU USE VIDEOCONFERENCING EQUIPMENT FOR PERSONAL COMMUNICATIONS THEN... What added value does videoconferencing give you? To whom do you talk? What are the destinations for the majority of your video calls? What topics do you usually discuss using a video medium? What is the limit to the number of individual parties in a call? How important is the video link in your videotelephony calls? Have you found your videoconferencing equipment to be useful? (If not, why not?) What associated facilities do you have to accompany your videotelephony? (e.g. document sharing, file transfer, etc.) IF YOU USE VIDEOCONFERENCING EQUIPMENT FOR PRESENTATIONS (I.E. PROVIDING INFORMATION BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR HIGHER EDUCATION PURPOSES) THEN... Do you receive or send presentations? receive send If you send presentations, who is the recipient? If you receive presentations, who sends them? What is the typical content of a presentation? Apart from the video, what other media are used in the presentations? Who pays for the presentations and the communication time? Do the presentations incorporate pre-recorded material? If so, in what form? IF YOU USE VIDEOCONFERENCING EQUIPMENT FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES THEN... Which subjects are taught in this way? Is the teaching conducted? one to one one to distributed individuals one to a group one to distributed groups other... Does your configuration allow? two-way audio and video two-way audio, one-way video one-way audio, two-way video one-way audio, one-way video other... How many sessions constitute one typical course? How are questions from students dealt with (e.g. pre-written, asked "live", etc.)? How is coursework, if any, dealt with? What additional media are used (e.g. video, graphics, blackboard, etc.)? Do lectures incorporate any pre-recorded material? Please explain. IF YOU USE VIDEOCONFERENCING EQUIPMENT FOR COLLABORATIVE WORK THEN... With whom is the work conducted? What type of work is carried out? Do you have any associated tools for use with the video communication (e.g. shared files, whiteboard facilities, etc.)? IF YOU USE VIDEOCONFERENCING EQUIPMENT FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES THEN... What is your field of research? How do you use your videocommunications? IF YOU DO NOT YET USE YOUR VIDEOCONFERENCING EQUIPMENT THEN... What will you be using it for? When will you start to use it? Please explain. IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER USE FOR VIDEOCONFERENCING TECHNOLOGY... What do you use it for (e.g. remote surveillance, watching TV, etc.)? FOR ALL CURRENT USES...... What is the distance capability of your videoconferencing equipment (e.g. local area, wide area, etc.)? Do you find that the video medium provides value for money? How often do you use your equipment? How long is a typical call (presentation/ conversation/ lecture)? Are you happy with your overall set up? (e.g. What extra facilities would you like to see incorporated? Are there things you cannot do which you would like to be able to do? ) Which facilities do you find to be superfluous for your purposes? Please explain. Would you recommend what you have to others? Why? How are the running/capital costs funded? >From your experiences, is there any advice you would give somebody who was considering the use of videoconferencing technology? POTENTIAL USES FOR THE FUTURE How do you expect to be using videoconferencing technology in 1 year/5 years from now? What are the limitations in your existing equipment that prevent you >from using it in this way at the moment? Are you considering the purchase of any related equipment? If so, what? Please add any other comments or feelings about videoconferencing equipment and technology that you do not feel have been covered in the questionnaire. Thank you very much, please return to l.m.butters@lut.ac.uk From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 29 17:41:11 1994 Received: from viipuri.nersc.gov by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <28940-0@osi-east.es.net>; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 14:40:43 +0000 Received: by viipuri.nersc.gov (4.1/ESnet-1.2) id AA26714; Thu, 29 Sep 94 14:40:39 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Sep 94 14:40:39 PDT From: ari@es.net (Ari Ollikainen) Message-Id: <9409292140.AA26714@viipuri.nersc.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Forwarded: SunSoft ShowMe with mrouted for Solaris 2.3? ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From ijj@informatics.rutherford.ac.uk Wed Sep 28 02:16:23 1994 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:15:43 +0000 From: ijj@informatics.rutherford.ac.uk To: rem-conf-request@es.net Subject: SunSoft ShowMe with mrouted for Solaris 2.3? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 1027 In the current SunFlash (article 69.32), Sun announce an "enhanced release" of ShowMe, version 2.0.1, parts of which are available for both Solaris 2 and Solaris 1. They mention multicast support being an option (at least for ShowMe Video) and there is a reference to "installing mrouted on Sun gateways". So, what I'd like to know is: Does this imply that ShowMe 2.0.1 comes with a mrouted (and kernel patch) for Solaris 2.3? Or do the "Sun gateways" have to be running Solaris 1? Really, all I want to know is when the Solaris 2.X kernel will incorporate the neccessary ioctl()s etc to allow the latest mrouted to run: I know a Sun employee posted to rem-conf a few weeks back saying that Solaris 2.4 will support the latest mrouted. -- "Nudist welfare man's wife fell for Chinese hypnotist >from the Co-Op bacon counter" - News of the World headline Ian Johnson Internet: ijj@inf.rl.ac.uk Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, World-Wide Web: Chilton, Didcot, Oxon OX11 0QX. http://web.inf.rl.ac.uk/people/ijj.html ----- End Included Message ----- From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 29 18:30:53 1994 Received: from fnal.fnal.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <11460-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:30:13 +0000 Received: from munin.fnal.gov by FNAL.FNAL.GOV (PMDF V4.2-12 #3998) id <01HHOY1KQ1NK007BZO@FNAL.FNAL.GOV>; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 17:29:52 CDT Received: from LOCALHOST.fnal.gov by munin.fnal.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02268; Thu, 29 Sep 94 17:29:49 CDT Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 17:29:49 -0500 From: Matt Crawford Subject: Re: Forwarded: SunSoft ShowMe with mrouted for Solaris 2.3? In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 29 Sep 94 14:40:39 PDT. <9409292140.AA26714@viipuri.nersc.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: ijj@informatics.rutherford.ac.uk Message-id: <9409292229.AA02268@munin.fnal.gov> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT We have a Solaris 2.3 machine which is an mrouter. The kernel was fine out of the box, but I needed an updated mrouted binary. (I am not doing pruning -- that probably needs a newer /kernel/drv/ip.) _________________________________________________________ Matt Crawford crawdad@fnal.gov Fermilab From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Sep 29 22:09:47 1994 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <13257-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 19:09:07 +0000 Received: from xfr.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-18) id ; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 19:08:51 -0700 Posted-Date: Thu 29 Sep 94 19:07:43 PDT Received: by xfr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id ; Thu, 29 Sep 94 19:07:44 PDT Date: Thu 29 Sep 94 19:07:43 PDT From: Stephen Casner Subject: Re: Playout time To: anand@ece.iisc.ernet.in, rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: <780890863.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> In-Reply-To: <9409290921.AA01570@ece.iisc.ernet.in> Mail-System-Version: Anand, > I also like to know the typical values to be assigned for playout times > so that at no point I face receiver starvation. This question indicates the root of your misunderstanding. The playout delay value must be determined dynamically; you cannot install a "typical value" into your program. If the playout delay is too small, then many packets will arrive after time when they should be played, so the playout delay should be increased. If almost all packets arrive significantly before their scheduled playout time, then the playout delay should be decreased in order to minimize the round-trip delay. The playout delay is adjusted periodically based on observed behaviour. The RTP timestamp field is used to calculate the scheduled playout time by establishing an offset between the sender's sample counter (as carried in the RTP timestamp) and the local sample counter. You don't just delay the first packet of a talkspurt by a fixed delay and then start playing it. You calculate the time to play that packet by converting the sender's timestamp to a local sample counter value using the offset, and you play the packet when the local sample counter reaches that value. The playout delay calculation adjusts that offset during silence periods. -- Steve ------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 30 05:19:59 1994 Received: from ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <15345-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 02:19:27 +0000 Received: from [129.69.30.90] (ksmac1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de) by ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA08676; Fri, 30 Sep 94 02:19:18 PDT Message-Id: <9409300919.AA08676@ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov> X-Sender: jed@ocfmail.llnl.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:19:21 +0100 To: rem-conf@es.net From: jed@llnl.gov (James E. [Jed] Donnelley) Subject: Re: Playout time R.e.: [anand@ece.iisc.ernet.in asking about playout delay.] and [schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de ref.s on playout and plug] The suggested search of the AT&T bibliography for 'playout' or 'packet voice' unfortunately misses: @INPROCEEDINGS{Clar9208:Supporting, AUTHOR="Clark, David D. and Shenker, Scott and Zhang, Lixia", TITLE="Supporting real-time applications in an integrated services packet network: architecture and mechanism", BOOKTITLE=sigcomm, ORGANIZATION="ACM", ADDRESS="Baltimore, Maryland", YEAR=1992, MONTH=aug, PAGES="14--26", NOTE="{\em Computer Communication Review}, Volume 22, Number 4", ABSTRACT="This paper considers the support of real-time applications in an integrated services packet network (ISPN)... which I feel also contributes something on the subject even though it, perhaps unfortunately, doesn't include 'playout' or 'voice' in it's abstract. It considers this issue from the view of 'real-time' concerns (in the abstract). Perhaps this is another possible search alternative. James E. (Jed) Donnelley http://www-atp.llnl.gov/atp/jed.html and supporting http://www-atp.llnl.gov/atp/telecom.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 30 06:54:48 1994 Received: from ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <15810-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 03:54:15 +0000 Received: from by ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AB08912; Fri, 30 Sep 94 03:54:03 PDT Message-Id: <9409301054.AB08912@ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov> X-Sender: jed@ocfmail.llnl.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:54:08 +0100 To: rem-conf@es.net From: jed@llnl.gov (James E. [Jed] Donnelley) Subject: Time zone conversions I am sympathetic to the sort of problem encountered by Alex Deacon - NAIC when he issued the message: >Correction: > >STS-68 will is scheduled to be launched at (approx.) 15:17 GMT (7:17 EDT) on >Friday September 30, 1994. My GMT converstion was incorrect. I am still not sure this time is correct. Regardless, it points up a problem that I frequently encounter and have seen mentioned in this list before. Some people have suggested that if everyone would only use GMT with a simple addition (positive or negative) from their local time that everyone else would be able to convert similarly to their local time and there would be no problem. I find this situation considerably complicated by what in the U.S. is called "Daylight Savings Time". Many other countries have a similar period of the year where they set their local clocks back or forward one hour. For example, here in Germany the clocks have been set back, but they haven't yet been set back in the U.S. (30.9.94). This situation is even more complicated when making predictions about future times. I believe that a program that would track "Daylight Savings Time" changes (usually legislative) and would convert times for any day and time from one zone to another would be useful in this regard. Perhaps such a program could get updated from somewhere on the network that would keep up-to-date information about changes in when "Daylight Savings Time" time changes happen. If I could simply type something like: timeconvert 30.9.94 07:17 EDT GMT I.e. convert the time 07:17 EDT to GMT for the 30th of September 1994 (or to MET where my current local interest is), I believe my time problems would be relegated to the past. This would allow everyone to list their local times, making things easy for them, and everyone else to convert to their local time which is relevant to them. Does anyone know of software that attempts to deal with this problem? I would like to hear about other approaches to this problem, get updated on it and beg, borrow, buy, steal :-), write, or whatever a solution. James E. (Jed) Donnelley - http://www-atp.llnl.gov/atp/jed.html Advanced Telecom. Program - http://www-atp.llnl.gov/atp/atp.html LAWRENCE LIVERMORE NATIONAL LABORATORY - http://www.llnl.gov/ On sabbatical until 4/95 to Uni-Stuttgart - http://www.uni-stuttgart.de/ e-mail: jed@llnl.gov supporting - http://www-atp.llnl.gov/atp/telecom.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 30 08:14:31 1994 Received: from sun2.mhs-relay.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <16163-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 05:13:41 +0000 Via: uk.ac.plymouth; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:13:00 +0100 Received: from cs_fs16.cs.plymouth.ac.uk by plymouth.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:13:12 +0100 Received: from CS_FS16/SMTP_MAIL by cs_fs16.cs.plymouth.ac.uk (Mercury 1.13); Fri, 30 Sep 94 13:19:35 BST Received: from SMTP_MAIL by CS_FS16 (Mercury 1.13); Fri, 30 Sep 94 13:19:05 BST From: Liz Thomson Organization: University of Plymouth To: jed@llnl.gov, rem-conf-request@es.net, rem-conf@es.net Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:15:04 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Time zone conversions CC: plewe@acsu.buffalo.edu Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac (v2.1 pre-release) Message-ID: Re: Time zones............. >I am still not sure this time is correct. Regardless, it points up a >that I frequently encounter and have seen mentioned in this list >before. >Some people have suggested that if everyone would only use GMT >with a simple addition (positive or negative) from their local time >that >everyone else would be able to convert similarly to their local time >and there would be no problem. I think it would be a good idea to build an updatable time zone scale into the WWW World Home Page http://wings.buffalo.edu/world. That way you have the world map combined with the timescales for the different zones and it would be easy to compare at a glance. Liz Thomson Liz Thomson " Ciall is Neart " Phone +44 (0)752 233229 Email: E.Thomson@plymouth.ac.uk/LT@Europa.plym.ac.uk/P02306@pa.plym.ac.uk WWW Social Science HTTP://tin.ssc.plym.ac.uk/ Social Science University of Plymouth Drake Circus Plymouth Devon PL4 8AA UK From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 30 13:14:56 1994 Received: from jerry.inria.fr by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <18286-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 10:14:27 +0000 Received: by jerry.inria.fr (5.65c8/IDA-1.2.8) id AA04927; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:11:42 +0100 Message-Id: <199409301711.AA04927@jerry.inria.fr> To: Henning Schulzrinne Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: ivs audio In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 24 Sep 1994 11:32:16 +0200. <199409240932.AA00844@sophia.inria.fr> Reply-To: Thierry.Turletti@sophia.inria.fr Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:11:41 +0100 From: Thierry Turletti Henning, Sorry for the delay but I was on the PV workshop. Here are some info about how ivs currently handles audio. This work has been done by 2 B.Sc. students under the direction of Jean Bolot. Two reports are available but only in French... > My rough understanding: Reading audio data is triggered by an Xt timer > every ??? milliseconds. ivs uses the Athena toolkit. The audio encoding procedure is called via the XtAppAddTimeOut() function each 5 ms. > Incoming audio data is delayed according to playback time and inserted > into a time-sequenced linked list after conversion. Right. > What happens during pauses? How/when does mixing occur? > What triggers audio playback (writing of samples to audio device)? > Henning The two following diagrams show the audio coder and decoder algorithms. Coder side: ------------ ----------------- ----------- ------------- Audio Device --> Silence Detection --> Compression --> Paquetisation ---> ------------ ----------------- ----------- ------------- Decoder side: ------ ------------- ----------- -------------- ---> Buffer --> Decompression --> Audio Mixer <--> Playout Buffer ------ ------------- ----------- -------------- | | \ / ------------ Audio Device ------------ Diagrams don't show congestion control & redundancy mechanisms which will be added soon in a new version of ivs. At the decoder side, resequencing is done in the first module `Buffer'. Each decompressed packet is mixed with previous packets inside the playout buffer. Once all audio flows are mixed together, data are sent to the audio device. End of talkspurt bit is used to know that: - it's useless to wait the next packet for this flow to trigger sending data. - the next packet is a beginnong of talkspurt and some delay needs to be prepend in order to compensate jitter. I can send you more details about the playout algorithm mechanism if you need. Thierry From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 30 15:09:48 1994 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <17134-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 08:36:20 +0000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu by zephyr.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-17) id ; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 08:36:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199409301536.AA21239@zephyr.isi.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: User Unknown Reply-To: list-mgr@isi.edu Date: Fri, 30 Sep 94 08:36:12 PDT From: List Manager Account Dear Postmaster, Will you please check your mailing list for "strata@apple.com". If this user is on your list please delete. I'm gettig several error user unkown messages. > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > While talking to apple.com: > >>> RCPT To: > <<< 550 ... User unknown > 550 strata@apple.com... User unknown > > ----- Unsent message follows ----- Thanks, Joe ISI-List Maintainer From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 30 15:47:24 1994 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <19510-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:46:50 +0000 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; id AA02446; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:46:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:46:37 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9409301946.AA02446@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: jed@llnl.gov (James E. [Jed] Donnelley) Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Time zone conversions In-Reply-To: <9409301054.AB08912@ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov> References: <9409301054.AB08912@ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov> < I believe that a program that would track "Daylight Savings Time" changes > (usually legislative) and would convert times for any day and time from > one zone to another would be useful in this regard. Perhaps such a program > could get updated from somewhere on the network that would keep > up-to-date information about changes in when "Daylight Savings Time" > time changes happen. If I could simply type something like: I would encourage people interested in this sort of thing to pick up Arthur Olson's standard timezone package, which include a large database of historical changes in legal time compiled by users of the package. This package comes standard in several values of BSD. FTP to elsie.nci.nih.gov for the latest versions (tzcode* and tzdata*). -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 30 17:30:43 1994 Received: from MIRANDA.BU.EDU by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <20112-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 14:30:09 +0000 Received: by miranda.bu.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02099; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 17:31:59 -0400 From: ianw@miranda.bu.edu (Ian C. Westmacott) Received: by duncan.bu.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/03May94-0227PM) id AA16665; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 17:31:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9409302131.AA16665@duncan.bu.edu> Subject: subscribe To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 17:31:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 28 Subscribe Ian C. Westmacott From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Sep 30 20:36:49 1994 Received: from Sun.COM by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <21893-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 17:36:24 +0000 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA21829; Fri, 30 Sep 94 17:36:23 PDT Received: from jadeite.eng.sun.com (jadeite-95) by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28404; Fri, 30 Sep 94 15:25:23 PDT Received: from valathar.eng.sun.com by jadeite.eng.sun.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA25518; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:23:10 +0800 Received: by valathar.eng.sun.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05755; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:22:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:22:58 -0700 From: speer@jadeite.Eng.Sun.COM (Michael Speer) Message-Id: <9409302222.AA05755@valathar.eng.sun.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: RE: CNN/Headline News Cc: speer@jadeite.Eng.Sun.COM, hoffman@jadeite.Eng.Sun.COM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 290 Folks: We reconfigured our firewall relays recently and forgot to make them uni-directional. Just ignore the "CNN/Headline News" entry, it was mean't to escape over to the internet. It was meant for a internal demonstration at Sun. Sorry for the mistake. Michael Speer Sun Mircosystems