From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 02 03:03:37 1995 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <13070-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 2 Jan 1995 00:02:43 +0000 Received: from xfr.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-20) id ; Mon, 2 Jan 1995 00:02:39 -0800 Posted-Date: Mon 2 Jan 95 00:01:28 PST Received: by xfr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id ; Mon, 2 Jan 95 00:01:29 PST Date: Mon 2 Jan 95 00:01:28 PST From: Stephen Casner Subject: AVT San Jose meeting report posted To: rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: <789033688.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> Mail-System-Version: To the Audio/Video Transport Working Group and others interested in the Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP): I have posted the long version of my report on the AVT meeting at the San Jose IETF on December 6 and 8, 1994. The report includes the text of the slides I presented, with some additional text interspersed that was derived from the explanation given during the presentation, plus a rough transcript of the discussion that ensued. A second AVT session was added on the fly because the longer-than-expected discussion did not leave sufficient time for all of the planned presentations. The transcript covers only the first session which was multicast and recorded, but notes from the second session are included. The official (shorter) version of the meeting minutes for the proceedings will be submitted shortly and announced here as well. That will be followed by the updated RTP spec draft (-07) that I promised in the meeting. -- Steve Casner ------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 02 03:11:48 1995 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <13230-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 2 Jan 1995 00:10:35 +0000 Received: from xfr.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-20) id ; Mon, 2 Jan 1995 00:10:28 -0800 Posted-Date: Mon 2 Jan 95 00:09:13 PST Received: by xfr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id ; Mon, 2 Jan 95 00:09:14 PST Date: Mon 2 Jan 95 00:09:13 PST From: Stephen Casner Subject: Take 2: AVT San Jose meeting report posted To: rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: <789034153.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> Mail-System-Version: To the Audio/Video Transport Working Group and others interested in the Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP): I have posted the long version of my report on the AVT meeting at the San Jose IETF on December 6 and 8, 1994 to ftp://ftp.isi.edu/mbone/avt/sanjose-dec94/transcript.94dec The report includes the text of the slides I presented, with some additional text interspersed that was derived from the explanation given during the presentation, plus a rough transcript of the discussion that ensued. A second AVT session was added on the fly because the longer-than-expected discussion did not leave sufficient time for all of the planned presentations. The transcript covers only the first session which was multicast and recorded, but notes from the second session are included. PostScript slides for the presentations are in the same directory as the report. The official (shorter) version of the meeting minutes for the proceedings will be submitted shortly and announced here as well. That will be followed by the updated RTP spec draft (-07) that I promised in the meeting. -- Steve Casner [Sorry for the brain check on Take 1 of this note which omitted the pointer.] ------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 03 16:10:57 1995 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <28200-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 3 Jan 1995 13:10:21 +0000 Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-17) id ; Tue, 3 Jan 1995 13:08:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 13:08:40 -0800 From: schooler@ISI.EDU (Eve Schooler) Message-Id: <199501032108.AA23352@zephyr.isi.edu> To: confctrl@isi.edu Subject: MMusic San Jose meeting Cc: aweinrib@ibeam.jf.intel.com, mankin@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net, schooler@cs.caltech.edu Hi all, We'd like to wholeheartedly thank both Ruth Lang and Thane Frivold of SRI for their extraordinary efforts organizing the MMusic session at the San Jose IETF. In addition, many thanks to the many presenters and participants. The minutes from the WG meeting are enclosed below, and include pointers to on-line materials. Eve and Abel ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Multiparty Multimedia Session Control WG (MMusic) Minutes from the 31st IETF San Jose, California December 7, 1994 Meeting Organizers Ruth Lang, rlang@sri.com Thane Frivold, tfrivold@std.sri.com Chairs Eve Schooler, schooler@cs.caltech.edu Abel Weinrib, aweinrib@ibeam.intel.com These notes were prepared by Thane Frivold and Ruth Lang. An on-line copy of the minutes and the accompanying PostScript slides are available from ftp://ftp.isi.edu/confctrl/minutes or ftp://ws11.std.sri.com/confctrl/minutes in the files ietf.12.94 and slides.12.94.tar. The Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group (MMUSIC) held a single two hour session at the IETF meeting in San Jose, California. The meeting was organized and led by Ruth Lang and Thane Frivold due to the limited availability of the chairs, Abel Weinrib and Eve Schooler because of employment changes. During the session, Abel raised the possibility that the working group consider concluding or refocusing, especially if the leadership of the group were to change. In an effort to make the working group aware of other standardization efforts, two brief presentations were given on ITU teleconferencing efforts by Ken Krechmer and Joerg Ott. Ted Ko gave an overview of both a centralized and a distributed implementation of the Shenker-Weinrib-Schooler agreement protocol -- the implementation experience gave rise to several interesting research issues concerning generality, dynamicity, and scalability. A summary of the responses >from a survey of existing session control protocols was given by Thane Frivold, focusing on functional requirements for both session control protocols and session descriptions. Carsten Bormann presented an overview of inter-system (horizontal) and intra-system (vertical) session control requirements which left open questions on the transport and semantic requirements. A presentation was given by Mark Handley which identified additional requirements for the "sd" protocol and a discussion of proposed extensions followed. The current goals and milestones were reviewed by Ruth Lang and a list of potential working group documents was discussed. ITU-T Teleconferencing Overview (slides.12.94.a and slides.12.94.b) Ken Krechmer, Technical Editor for Communications Standards Review, spoke briefly about the scope and goals of the ITU, and, in particular, about the ITU's three study groups looking at audio, video, and data teleconferencing issues and standardization. Ken also identified associated US Technical Advisory Groups (TAG) which provide input to the ITU. Joerg Ott gave a technical overview of the T.120 group, the ITU group whose work most closely resembles the MMUSIC charter. In particular, Joerg outlined the features of the Multipoint Communication Service (MCS) and the Generic Conference Control (GCC). MCS provides group transmission services atop a connection tree of TCP-like connections. GCC, which is built atop of MCS, provides multiparty session management. Like the MMUSIC architecture, GCC also makes the distinction between "horizontal" (conference state exchange) and "vertical" (media agent control) session control paths. These recommendations are still under development but are targeted for draft release in March 1995. Teleconferencing Session Management Engine (slides.12.94.c) Abel Weinrib presented an overview of the agreement protocol described in "Managing Shared Ephemeral Teleconferencing State: Policy and Mechanism" by Scott Shenker, Abel Weinrib, and Eve Schooler (ftp://ftp.isi.edu:confctrl/docs/agree.ps). While teleconferencing has both policy and mechanism choices, a key to this algorithm is the separation between resolution policy and system specific decision mechanisms. Ted Ko then spoke about his master's thesis work on the implementation of this protocol. The core of his implementation is a generalized "session engine" that is to be used as a service by domain specific session managers. It is not hard-wried to understand media specific or session specific details, but rather, manipulates session control aspects expressed by variables, members, rules, and consistency designators. He described a session description language that he developed in order to characterize the state his "session engine" acts upon. Ted's initial implementation used a centralized model (one session manager for multiple applications) and he showed how it could be integrated into Bellcore's Touring Machine. The development of a distributed implementation is complete but requires more thorough testing. The implementation experience gave rise to several interesting research issues concerning generality, dynamicity, and scalability. In considering the generality required to support differing session management systems, questions of end-system heterogeneity, differing call models, and session policies arose. More study is required to determine the appropriate balance between developing an all-encompassing session engine and the associated cost of such a heavy-weight implementation. Source code for the session engine is available by contacting ted@thumper.bellcore.com (ted@mit.edu after January 15). Session Control Protocol Survey Report (slides.12.94.d) In advance of the meeting, a survey of existing session control protocols was distributed on November 11 by Thane Frivold and Ruth Lang. Seven responses were received before this meeting on the following efforts: - AVCCP -- Kevin Lew, Janey Hoe (MIT) - CCCP -- Mark Handley, Ian Wakeman et al (UCL) - EXPANSE -- Howard Bussey, Steven Minzer (Bellcore) - GCC -- Joerg Ott, Carsten Bormann (from knowledge of ITU efforts) - SRI -- Ruth Lang, Thane Frivold (SRI) - Telescope -- Joerg Ott (Tech U. of Berlin), Carsten Bormann (U. of Bremen) - Touring Machine -- R. C. Sekar, Brian Coan (Bellcore) Thane described the goals of the survey which were to encourage documentation of existing session control protocols and subsequently use this information in developing a basis for session control protocol and session description functional requirements. He identified points of commonality among the systems described despite the variety of approaches to session management. He also summarized specific functional requirements gleaned from the responses with respect to both session control protocols and session descriptions. Service Interoperability (slides.12.94.e) Carsten Bormann described conference services as consisting of communication and cooperation services. He then gave an overview of session control requirements focusing on both inter-system (horizontal) and intra-system (vertical) coordination. The horizontal protocol is used for propagating global state information (e.g., membership, policy, encoding formats, and applications). The vertical protocol implements local decisions (e.g., on local resource usage and device management) based on global state and presents this conference state to applications. Carsten also noted that the horizontal session protocol (in conjunction with the local vertical protocols) could be used to transport (some) horizontal application protocols. Although somewhat outside the scope of session control per se, the transport state maintained by the session control association could be used for low-volume application interaction. He wrapped up by posing open questions focusing on whether the transport and semantic requirements for the horizontal and vertical protocols share the same requirements and can be satisfied by the same protocol and implementation. Session Advertisement (slides.12.94.f) Mark Handley gave an overview of the current sd packet payload format. Based on experience gained through implementing a clone of sd, he identified additional requirements for the sd session description and described proposed extensions to address them. In particular, he identified the need for extended contact information (beyond owner of the conference), expected bandwidth consumption, scheduling information for repeated events, and information required for PIM. Van Jacobson pointed out that information content is distinct >from the distribution mechanism; other discussion focused on the utility of including RP for PIM. Working Group Goals and Milestones Review (slides.12.94.d) Although the working group has produced an agreement protocol document and an implementation of the agreement protocol engine, many of the milestones in the original charter have passed. As a result, Ruth Lang presented a list of potential documents that might be appropriate output for the working group. Suggestions included producing session control protocol and session description functional requirement documents (as separate documents from the protocol specification itself), requirements and specification of the agreement protocol, and a document on session control architecture. Interest was expressed by Joerg Ott, Carsten Bormann, Eve Schooler, and Abel Weinrib in working on an architecture document. Abel Weinrib and Ted Ko offered support for producing needed documentation on the agreement protocol. Due to time constraints, little additional discussion took place on scope and direction of the working group. No action items were assigned as the Transport Area Director and working group chairs must consult before amending the charter. Attendees: Carsten Bormann cabo@informatik.uni-bremen.de Joerg Ott jo@cs.tu-berlin.de Frank Kastenholz kasten@ftp.com Abel Weinrib aweinrib@ibeam.intel.com Eve Schooler schooler@cs.caltech.edu John Wroclawski jtw@lcs.mit.edu Steve Casner casner@isi.edu Ruth Lang rlang@sri.com Charley Kline kline@uiuc.edu David Aschkensasy aschked@r.cs.orst.edu Ted Brunner ted.brunner@tek.com Sally Floyd floyd@ee.lbl.gov Nachum Shacham shacham@csl.sri.com Steve Richardson sjr@merit.edu Rosen Sharma rosens@cs.stanford.edu Hideki Sunahara suna@wide.ed.jp Scott Williamson scottw@internic.net Mark Prior mrp@itd.adelaide.edu.au Julio Escobar jescabor@bbn.com Eric Fleischman ericf@atc.boeing.com Pierre Lin pierre.lin@bani.com Derya Cansever dhc2@gfe.com Lud-Jen Chiang ljc@lznhbu1.lincroftnj.ncr.com Bill Babson wab@netrix.com Claire Griffin claire@comedin.com Jim Dorcey tim_dorcey@cornell.edu John Lynn jal7@cornell.edu Tom Bowers tbowers@atg.wiltel.com Mitra mitra@path.net Steve Justus justus@hprncl.rose.hp.com David Kaufman david@mmac.com Kathy Huber khuber@wellfleet.com Stephen Ostrowski stephen@wellfleet.com Phil Irey pirey@relay.nswc.navy.mil Joseph Pang jwpanag@starlight.com George Kajos gkajos@world.std.com Jason Yao jyar@fla.com Mark Amari y-amari@hitachi.com Susuamu Matsui matsui@sdl.hitachi.co.jp Bill Fenner fenner@cmf.nrl navy.mil Allison Mankin mankin@isi.edu Mark Handley mhandley@cs.ucl.ac.uk Ken Krechmer krechmer@ix.netcom.com Thane Frivold tfrivold@std.sri.com Don Merritt don@arl.mil Naohiro Schichijo shichi@race.u-tokyo.ac.jp Gerry Meyer gerry@spider.co.uk Ed Ellesson ellesson@vnet.ibm.com Alon Kleinmum alon@ubique.co.il Yoshikumi Maeyama maeyama@sumitomo.com Suresh Bhogavilli suresh@jacks.grfc.nasa.gov Katsuhiro Selayashi sebayash@udse.nal.ntt.jp Dave Monachello darem@micom.com Edward Lewis edward.lewis@gsfc.nasa.gov Ann Demirtjis ndemirtje@sprint.corp.com Anders Klemets klemets@it.kth.se Shawn Gillam shawn@timonWare.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 04 05:18:23 1995 Received: from andie.st-and.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <04225-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 4 Jan 1995 02:17:44 +0000 Received: from tamdhu.dcs.st-and.ac.uk by andie.st-andrews.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <10302-0@andie.st-andrews.ac.uk>; Wed, 4 Jan 1995 10:17:23 +0000 Received: from turret.dcs.st-and.ac.uk by dcs.st-and.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05223; Wed, 4 Jan 95 10:18:03 GMT Message-Id: <9501041018.AA05223@ dcs.st-and.ac.uk> To: Stephen Casner Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Non-MBONE uses (was Re: [Q] Stock info.) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:28:47 PST." <788074127.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 1995 10:18:25 +0000 From: Paul Harrington Stephen> answer the questions you are asking here. Writing a program to spit Stephen> out packets containing stock quotes (or anything else) is a simple Stephen> exercise for which you could learn the basics by looking at other Stephen> code. Speaking of basics, I tried to find some code fragments for 'doing' multicast in perl but ended up writing my own. For tackling the complicated problems that Stephen mentions, quick scripts are quite useful for experimentation. I have been very pleasantly surprised at the ease with which you can 'get things done': We are doing some work on load balancing/network paging/message stabilisation and want to find out what our clusters are doing. Using the perl routines, we were able to write a script and get useful information within an hour. We are interested on putting in some kind of aggregation mechanism. Just the thing for building a big mip meter for the UK academic network! The code is available from ftp://ftp.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/pub/warp/perl/mcast.pl sample 'application' in sd_listen.pl in the same directory. Happy New Year (Having just survived the excesses of my first traditional Hogmanay in Scotland) pjjH Paul Harrington, phrrngtn@dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk +44 1334 463261 Division of Computer Science, St Andrews University, Scotland KY16 9SS From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 04 06:17:57 1995 Received: from mgate.uni-hannover.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <04733-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 4 Jan 1995 03:17:11 +0000 Received: from helios.tnt.uni-hannover.de by mgate.uni-hannover.de with SMTP (PP); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 12:18:53 +0100 Received: from ikarus.tnt.uni-hannover.de by helios.tnt.uni-hannover.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20722; Wed, 4 Jan 95 12:17:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 95 12:17:01 +0100 From: bloemer@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Arnold Bloemer) Message-Id: <9501041117.AA20722@helios.tnt.uni-hannover.de> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: A Public Demo from TNT, Hannover, Germany, (Today !) A Public Demo from TNT, Hannover, Germany This evening we will give a MBone demo to local authorities from politics, business, culture etc. and we would like to invite all MBone members to participate in this event. The main demo will take place: Today (4-NOV-95) from 19:45 until 20:30 MET (GMT+1). A first test session is scheduled for: 18:00 MET (GMT+1). We will demonstrate several other activities of our institute and my part is to give some insights into Internet in just 10 minutes per group (three groups of guests). That means that I have to switch between different applications and will be online three times, each for about 4 minutes. I hope that the demo session can also serve as a good meeting place and that several participants will stay online during the above mentioned time period. The session is already announced in sd. The channels are: Audio: vat, Adress: 224.2.129.150, Port: 34447, ID: 17619 Video: vic, Adress: 224.2.157.69, Port: 40664, ID: 64044 Whiteboard: wb, Adress: 224.2.190.194, Port: 63474, ID: 31933 All tools you need are available from ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/conferencing If you would like to attend it would be nice if you could send me a short reply. Otherwise just come in. Hope to see you (or hear you), Arnold ________________________________________________________________________________ Dipl.-Ing. Arnold Bloemer Universitaet Hannover Institut fuer Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik und Informationsverarbeitung bloemer@tnt.uni-hannover.de Appelstrasse 9A fax: +49 511 762-5333 D-30167 Hannover phone: +49 511 762-5320 Germany ________________________________________________________________________________ From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 04 14:27:46 1995 Received: from trystero.radio.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <08648-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 4 Jan 1995 11:27:13 +0000 Received: (carl@localhost) by trystero.radio.com (8.6.9/940816.06ccg) id OAA06181 for rem-conf@es.net; Wed, 4 Jan 1995 14:27:08 -0500 From: Carl Malamud Message-Id: <199501041927.OAA06181@trystero.radio.com> Subject: House and Senate To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 14:27:07 -0500 (EST) Organization: Internet Multicasting Service X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 260 We're sending out gsm feeds of the U.S. House and Senate floors. Starting tomorrow, we're going to turn on the World Radio Network feed. More details are available on http://town.hall.org/radio/live.html. Regards, Carl Malamud Internet Multicasting Service From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 05 04:03:45 1995 Received: from bonnou.lab.kdd.co.jp by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <15555-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 5 Jan 1995 01:03:06 +0000 Received: from kddnews.nes.lab.kdd.co.jp by bonnou.lab.kdd.co.jp (8.6.9+2.4W/KDDIP-1.1MX) id SAA10117; Thu, 5 Jan 1995 18:03:51 +0900 Return-Path: Received: from [133.128.8.24] (asamimac.nes.lab.kdd.co.jp) by kddnews.nes.lab.kdd.co.jp (4.2/KDD-1.00MX) id AA22465; Thu, 5 Jan 95 18:02:42 JST Message-Id: <9501050902.AA22465@kddnews.nes.lab.kdd.co.jp> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 18:02:59 +0900 To: rem-conf@es.net From: asami@kddnews.nes.lab.kdd.co.jp (Tohru Asami) Subject: Change of our domain name Cc: asami@kddnews.nes.lab.kdd.co.jp X-Mailer: Eudora-JE(1.3.3J6) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp unsubscribe rem-conf asami@kddnews.nes.kddlabs.co.jp subscribe rem-conf asami@kddnews.nes.lab.kdd.co.jp -- Because of the change of our domain name, please change my address from asami@kddnews.nes.kddlabs.co.jp to asami@kddnews.nes.lab.kdd.co.jp Thanks in advance. -- Tohru Asami Manager of Network Engineering Support Group, KDD R&D Labs. 2-1-15 Ohara Kamifukuoka-shi, Saitama 356, Japan Phone: +81 492 66 7890, FAX: +81 492 66 7510, E-Mail: asami@lab.kdd.co.jp KDD = an international telecommunication company in Japan From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 05 11:22:24 1995 Received: from trystero.radio.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <18574-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 5 Jan 1995 08:21:49 +0000 Received: (carl@localhost) by trystero.radio.com (8.6.9/940816.06ccg) id LAA16101 for rem-conf@es.net; Thu, 5 Jan 1995 11:21:47 -0500 From: Carl Malamud Message-Id: <199501051621.LAA16101@trystero.radio.com> Subject: House and Senate Quality To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 11:21:47 -0500 (EST) Organization: Internet Multicasting Service X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 329 We've heard a report from across the Atlantic that our GSM is sounding really bad ... the audio file from vat_record sounds like it may have duplicate packets. Anybody have any ideas? Is the mbone duplicating packets? Is the audio quality and packet loss rate acceptable in other places? Would appreciate some reports. Carl From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 05 17:08:50 1995 Received: from gw1.att.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <22577-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 5 Jan 1995 14:08:16 +0000 Received: from arch4.ho.att.com by ig1.att.att.com id AA27458; Thu, 5 Jan 95 15:51:23 EST Received: from arch5.ho.att.com by arch4.ho.att.com (4.1/EMS-1.2 GIS) id AA06223; Thu, 5 Jan 95 15:50:57 EST Received: by arch5.ho.att.com (4.1/EMS-1.2 GIS) id AA27859; Thu, 5 Jan 95 15:50:55 EST Date: Thu, 5 Jan 95 15:50:55 EST Message-Id: <9501052050.AA27859@arch5.ho.att.com> From: cn2@arch4.ho.att.com To: rem-conf@es.net ============================================================================= Call for Participation ============================================================================= SECOND INTERNATIONAL WORKSHOP ON COMMUNITY NETWORKING INTEGRATED MULTIMEDIA SERVICES TO THE HOME June 20-22, 1995 Princeton, New Jersey, USA Sponsored by the IEEE Communications Society* In collaboration with ACM SIGCOMM* Community networking concerns the network infrastructures that will bring integrated multimedia services to home users. Community networking differs in many ways from enterprise networking in its services, technologies, and economics. In contrast to enterprise networking applications, community networking services will not necessarily be work oriented and will range from entertainment to shopping to information services. At present, community networking technology is driven by the requirements of video-on-demand, most notably high bandwidth (compared to narrowband), bandwidth asymmetry, and the delay-jitter constraints imposed by today's limited-storage TV set-top devices. As various other services develop, community networking will evolve to include integrated multimedia communication and user-to-user applications. Community networking must also provide access to resources located outside the community, in an increasingly global repository of information of every conceivable type. This workshop will give researchers and professionals the chance to share their views and advance the state of the art in this field. RELEVANT AREAS: Contributions are encouraged in the five areas listed below with relevant topics: 1. APPLICATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS: types of applications; coding; set-top operating systems; QoS networking requirements (symmetric/asymmetric bandwidth, delay, and losses); security and privacy; service models; user interface and navigation facilities. 2. LOCAL DISTRIBUTION TECHNOLOGY: topology; fiber/cable/UTP/wireless; modulation, bandwidth allocation; MAC (reverse channel); role of ATM; dependencies on equipment/network in the home (e.g., TV set-top). 3. ADDRESSING, SIGNALING, AND UPPER-LAYER PROTOCOLS: local vs. global addressing; the service provider view vs. the common carrier view: the video-dialtone gateway; role of B-ISDN protocols; network- and transport-layer protocols; network management; APIs. 4. INTERNETWORKING AND ARCHITECTURE: the gateway: accessing other networks (data, telephone); server placement and network optimization; the regional distribution centers; testbeds; network traffic models; network cost structure and its implications on service pricing; medium- and long-term network evolution; the impact of regulatory constraints. 5. COMMUNITY ASPECTS, OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROWTH: the success of community networking depends of the degree to which it meets community needs and invites the full participation of community members; community needs, desires and aspirations; networking approaches that have worked well in the past and others that have not; obstacles to success that need to be overcome. INSTRUCTIONS FOR SUBMITTING ABSTRACTS: Please send via electronic mail a detailed abstract (up to 3 pages in ASCII or PostScript) describing a position statement in one of the areas above to cn2@arch4.ho.att.com Note that submissions longer than the limit above will not be reviewed. Only if electronic submission is impossible, a hardcopy version may be sent to: Joel Winthrop AT&T Bell Laboratories 101 Crawfords Corner Rd., RM 1K-306 Holmdel, NJ 07733, USA Participation in the workshop will be by invitation only based on the Program Committee's review of position statements. Some of the authors will be asked to submit papers and to present them during the workshop. Workshop size limitation may preclude attendance of all authors of multi-author abstracts. DATES: Deadline for submitting abstracts . . . . . . . . March 17, 1995 Acceptance notification . . . . . . . . . . . . . April 17, 1995 Papers due (limited to 8 pages) . . May 19, 1995 PROGRAM COMMITTEE: Program Chair: Joel Winthrop AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, New Jersey Publication Chair: Vince Lesch AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, New Jersey Committee Members: Joydeep Bose National Computer Board, Singapore Jurgen Brommelhoff Digital Equipment Corporation G. Keith Cambron Pacific Bell Andrew Davidson Phillips Interactive Media of America Jeff H. Derby IBM Corporation Alexander D. Gelman Bellcore Riccardo Gusella Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, California Gordon Kerr BT Labs Andrew Laursen Oracle Corporation Andrew Lippman MIT, Media Lab Tetsuya Miki NTT Transmission Systems Laboratories Mario Morino Morino Foundation Martin De Prycker Alcatel Bell Telephone, Antwerp, Belgium David Skellern Macquarie University, Sydney Albert J. Stienstra Philips Research Mario P. Vecchi Time Warner Cable, Inc. William E. Wall Scientific-Atlanta, Inc. * Approval Pending From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 05 20:25:00 1995 Received: from trystero.radio.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <24868-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 5 Jan 1995 17:24:16 +0000 Received: (carl@localhost) by trystero.radio.com (8.6.9/940816.06ccg) id UAA20814 for rem-conf@es.net; Thu, 5 Jan 1995 20:24:10 -0500 From: Carl Malamud Message-Id: <199501060124.UAA20814@trystero.radio.com> Subject: WRN and RT-FM To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 20:24:09 -0500 (EST) Organization: Internet Multicasting Service X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 785 We've turned on World Radio Network (all news, all the time) and RT-FM (all data, all the time :). Announcements will show up in SD. You'll find that our feeds are a bit unstable for the next couple of weeks as we work out various bugs. Expect World Radio Network to be off tomorrow as we switch over to some new /dev/audio devices (dedicated SS1's are now as cheap as a sound card and will free up our workstations and PCs). We're also still working out various queueing programs, control devices for things like the satellite receivers and SCPCs, and are still trying to anchor ourselves into the MBONE in a way that is nice and solid to avoid the problems with packet loss, etc... As always ... we will throttle back as appropriate. Carl Malamud Internet Multicasting Service From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jan 06 04:13:30 1995 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <03968-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 6 Jan 1995 01:12:55 +0000 Received: from xfr.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-20) id ; Fri, 6 Jan 1995 01:12:51 -0800 Posted-Date: Fri 6 Jan 95 01:11:39 PST Received: by xfr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id ; Fri, 6 Jan 95 01:11:40 PST Date: Fri 6 Jan 95 01:11:39 PST From: Stephen Casner Subject: Minutes of AVT Working Group meeting To: rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: <789383499.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> Mail-System-Version: Reported by Steve Casner/USC-ISI Minutes of Audio/Video Transport Working Group (AVT) 1. Overview At the previous AVT meeting in Toronto, version 2 of the Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) was presented as documented in the July version (-05) of the spec. It was agreed to proceed with this version of RTP as soon as the missing example algorithms and the "to be determined" points in the spec were completed. In the interim, the authors have prepared a new draft (-06) filling in these items and introducing a few small changes to address items missed before. At this meeting, Steve Casner presented a report on the new draft and there were no objections to these changes. However, there was a surprising amount of debate about the jitter parameter in the Reception Report which had not changed except that the algorithm had been defined. As a result, a second session was scheduled to allow completing the planned presentations. During the second session, a compromise solution was devised: the jitter field remained unchanged, but packet loss will be reported as both cumulative and short term, as described below. With this issue settled, the draft editing will be completed and the draft will be submitted for Area Directorate review and IESG Last Call as a Proposed Standard. An interesting aspect of this meeting was that for the first time we heard reports on implementations of RTP version 2, as outlined below. There was also a presentation on the new draft Packet Format for Encapsulation of MPEG in RTP. The slides for the presentations are available from ftp://ftp.isi.edu/mbone/avt/sanjose-dec94/, as is the file transcript.94dec, a more complete report on the meeting including a rough transcript. 2. Changes in RTP Since July Draft The two primary items left "to be determined" in the July RTP draft (-05) were the algorithm for calculating the RTCP reception report interval based on the observed session size and the algorithm for the "jitter" measure in the reception report. Algorithms for both of these have been included in the -06 draft. However, in the rush to meet the cutoff for Internet Draft submissions before IETF, a couple of details were left uncorrected in the report interval calculation algorithm. Also, two jitter algorithms were under discussion; what's in -06 is the algorithm that Henning Schulzrinne has been using in Nevot. Instead, we've decided to use the algorithm that Steve McCanne and Van Jacobson have implemented in vic because it is simpler and a more straightforward first-order estimator. See the discussion in the next section. There were several additional small changes, either from agreements at the Toronto meeting, or to fix problems discovered in the interim: - As agreed in Toronto, the draft now specifies that the data and control ports are to be an even/odd pair. - We decided not to partition the RTCP packet type space for profile- and payload-specific definitions because there is a problem with synchronization between the control and data streams. Instead, experiments with new packet types can use the APP type, and registration of successful types with IANA is encouraged. - It was unclear in -05 whether the numeric type values assigned to RTCP packets types began with 0 or 1. In a note preceding this meeting, it was proposed that the RTCP packets be assigned type values 201-205 to enhance the probability of successful header validation or invalidation when comparing RTP vs. RTCP which might be sent on the wrong port, or for comparison against some random or incorrectly decrypted packet. No stong objections to renumbering were given. There was some discussion of what values should be chosen, with 224-228 being another suggestion, but that is closer to all-1's which should be avoided the same as 0. After more thought subsequent to the meeting, Casner suggests 200-204 rather than 201-205 so that the SR/RR pair differ in only one bit to make the check simpler. Also, following a suggestion from Wieland Holfelder, we will reserve the two payload type values in the RTP data packet header that would correspond to the low 7 bits of the RTCP packet types SR and RR. Since any stack of RTCP packets is to begin with SR or RR, only these need to be reserved. - In the -05 draft, most length fields had been changed to be zero-based, but the SDES item length was missed and is now changed. - Three new SDES items were added: PHONE, TOOL, PRIV. - A one-octet length field was prefixed to optional BYE reason string since it's length was not defined before. Note that the changes in RTCP type values, SDES item length, and BYE reason length introduce incompatibilities with previous drafts. The group also agreed on three additional points where the RTP spec will be made more specific: - It will be specified that SR rather than RR will be sent if data was transmitted during the last interval or the previous one. This provides some redundancy for loss of the last SR. - When no data has been heard from any source during a reporting interval, the receiver should still send an RR packet containing zero reception reports rather than omit the RR. This is so that the RTCP packet stack always begins with SR or RR. - In order to calculate the RTP timestamp to go in the SR packet, and in order to calculate jitter, it is necessary that the clock from which RTP timestamps are derived be monotonic and linear in time. Note that this refers to the clock, not the sequence of timestamps generated. In particular, it does not preclude the sending of timestamps out of order in the MPEG encoding. 2.1 Discussion of the Jitter Algorithm The reception report in the RTCP SR/RR packet reports packet loss and jitter. The algorithm that will be specified in the RTP draft for calculating the jitter parameter is based on the difference in packet spacing at the receiver compared to the sender, or equivalently, the difference in relative transit times, for a pair of packets: D(i,j) = (Rj - Ri) - (Sj - Si) = (Rj - Sj) - (Ri - Si) Here S is the RTP timestamp from the packet, and R is the time of arrival in RTP timestamp units. Jitter is defined to be the mean deviation (smoothed absolute value) of this difference: J = J + 1/16 (|D(i-1,i)| - J) Two issues regarding the jitter parameter were debated in this meeting: 1. Whether this algorithm, and in particular the gain parameter of 1/16, was the correct choice, or whether the algorithm should be left to be profile specific. Some went even further to suggest that the jitter parameter should be relegated to a profile- specific section of the reception report or left out entirely since its usefulness hasn't been demonstrated yet. 2. Whether a short-term packet loss measure, useful for feedback control, should be reported instead of or in addition to the jitter measure. In large sessions, the requirement to keep state on all the receivers to take differences between reports could become a problem. Furthermore, the long interval between reports could mean that only one report is received from some receivers. On the first issue, Van Jacobson emphasized that the jitter measure is for network diagnostic purposes as well as for algorithms that adapt to the behavior of the network. Since this requirement is common across all applications, we want to allow profile-independent monitors to be able to interpret the jitter numbers, and therefore the jitter parameter cannot be in a profile-dependent section of the report. The usefulness of the jitter parameter has not been proven, but the same is true for all the other parameters in the reception report. On the other hand, experience with the MBone has shown a pressing need for mechanisms to monitor distribution, and getting reports from the participants seems like the only practical means. Observations of the local statistics in the vat program for packet loss and playout time variation, which is derived from the jitter calculation, have shown a strong correlation with the signal quality and establish a reasonable basis for inclusion of these statistics in the reception report. Packet loss tracks persistent congestion while jitter tracks transient congestion. If our best guess turns out to be wrong with more experience, we can use the report extension mechanism to test additional information, and once we've got a much better guess then we can field RTP version 3 with a revised report format. Furthermore, to allow profile-independent monitors to make valid interpretations of reports coming from different implementations, we must also specify the algorithm and its parameters as part of the main RTP protocol. This algorithm is the optimal first-order estimator and the parameter 1/16 is the optimal noise power reduction ratio for situations where there is no model of the system. To address the second issue, Ron Frederick suggested a compromise that was accepted by the group as a whole. The cumulative number of packets received will be replaced by the cumulative number of packets lost (calculated by the receiver as "packets expected" minus "packets received"). Since this number is typically around two orders of magnitude less than the number of packets expected, a comparable range will be maintained if the packets lost field is reduced from 32 to 24 bits. The top 8 bits will then be used to carry a relative measure of packet loss that provides short-term information from a single report packet. This will be expressed as an 8-bit fraction of packets lost during the last reporting interval. A companion change was made to allow correlation between the single reception reports from multiple recipients: the "cumulative number of packets expected" is replaced by "extended last sequence number received". The difference between these two values is only that the initial sequence number received is subtracted from the latter to calculate the former. Not subtracting the initial sequence number means that the ratio of the two words above will no longer produce an accurate overall loss rate. However, an accurate calculation of the loss rate for nearly the full session is possible by taking the difference in these fields between the first and last reception reports from a particular receiver, and then calculating the ratio. 3. Reports on RTP Version 2 Implementations Two presentations were given on implementations of RTP version 2 in video tools. Steve McCanne from LBL reported that the implementation of RTP in vic was mostly straightforward; vic is producing reception reports per the -06 spec, but not yet analyzing them. Sources for vic were released before the IETF meeting. Both nv and "Robust H.261" encodings are implemented, but Steve identified some problems with the current spec for H.261 fragmentation. He proposed to make macroblocks the unit of processing by putting enough state information into the header so each packet can be processed independently. Frank Kastenholz from FTP Software presented Loki, a new payload format for RTP to carry the video formats of "Video for Windows" targeted at the PC/Windows environment. Processing load is shifted to the transmitter where possible because there are fewer and they can run on more powerful machines whereas receivers may be slow machines like 286's. The protocol includes some additional application-specific RTCP control packets, including some that are sent via unicast to a source. This won't work through RTP translators since RTPv2 no longer has the "reverse control" mechanism, so this is an issue to study. The Loki spec will be available as an Internet Draft, and the implementation will be available for anonymous FTP. 4. New Internet Drafts on Video Payload Formats Three new Internet Drafts specifying how to encapsulate Cell-B, JPEG and MPEG video in RTP were posted before the IETF meeting. They are draft-ietf-avt-cellb-profile-02.txt draft-ietf-avt-jpeg-00.txt draft-hoffman-rtp-mpeg-encap-01.txt Gerard Fernando from Sun gave a presentation on the MPEG draft. Since Don Hoffman has made presentations on MPEG at previous AVT meetings, Gerard concentrated on the RTP aspects. Sun has implemented the MPEG Elementary Streams encapsulation, which is the second of two defined in the spec and the one targeted for use over the Internet. For this encapsulation, the header is now always 32 bits rather than a minimum 16 with and optional second 16, following the recommendation made at the July AVT meeting in Toronto. Gerard brought up one scenario of concern: there will be cases where MPEG signals are received from satellite transmissions in MPEG2 Transport Systems (MTS) format, which does not provide slice/macroblock fragmentation information, and then retransmitted over the Internet. How can this be made more robust to packet loss? Van Jacobson suggested that it is not very expensive to parse the stream to find the macroblock boundaries. This would allow translation to the MPEG ES encapsulation format. 5. Future Activities The RTP spec will be edited to produce a -07 draft incorporating the changes outlined above along with additional explanatory text for sections that readers have found unclear, for example, on how to use extension mechanisms. The draft will then be submitted for Area Directorate review and IESG Last Call as a Proposed Standard. Future working group tasks and meetings will be considered as needs arise. ------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jan 06 09:35:58 1995 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09712-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 6 Jan 1995 06:35:22 +0000 Received: from ptbarnum-tty3.jvnc.net by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA17558 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for rem-conf@es.net); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 09:35:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 09:35:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199501061435.AA17558@tigger.jvnc.net> X-Sender: sairam@tigger.jvnc.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rem-conf@es.net From: sairam@tigger.jvnc.net (sairam) Subject: Unsubscribe X-Mailer: Please take these addresses off your list ramesh@sairam.com and qss@sairam.com. 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Ari@ES.net _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ Ari Ollikainen {VOX: 510 423-5962} _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Energy Sciences Network {FAX: 510 423-8744} _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ National Energy Research Supercomputer Center _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ MailStop L-561, PO BOX 5509, Livermore, CA. 94551 ~~RECOM Technologies Inc.~~ From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jan 06 15:30:48 1995 Received: from uccvma.ucop.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <14935-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 6 Jan 1995 12:29:50 +0000 Received: from ernie.ucop.edu by uccvma.ucop.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 06 Jan 95 12:31:04 PST Received: from tang.ucop.edu by ernie.ucop.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21174; Fri, 6 Jan 1995 12:29:59 -0800 X-Sender: sullivan@ernie.ucop.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 12:31:33 -0700 To: rem-conf@es.net From: Steve.Sullivan@ucop.edu (Steve Sullivan) Subject: Ultrix 4.4 multicast kernel extensions We have a DECstation 5000 running Ultrix 4.4. I wanted to add the multicast extensions to this machine, but can only find the kernel mods for Ultrix 4.2a. Has anyone done the work to make this available on 4.4? Steve Sullivan University of California Office of the President 300 Lakeside Drive Room 3028 Oakland, Ca 94612 510.987.0356 voice 510.238.9403 fax From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jan 06 16:43:22 1995 Received: from talisman.kaleida.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <15664-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:42:38 +0000 Received: from [198.186.10.120] (rodriguez.kaleida.com) by kaleida.com (4.1/Spike-2.1-(Kaleida)) id AA04717; Fri, 6 Jan 95 13:41:02 PST Date: Fri, 6 Jan 95 13:41:02 PST Message-Id: <9501062141.AA04717@kaleida.com> X-Sender: aar@talisman.kaleida.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mm-sig@jnt.ac.uk, wg-imm@rare.nl, mmis@mailbase.ac.uk, rem-conf@es.net From: aar@kaleida.com (Arturo A. Rodriguez) Subject: Reminder on Conference next month - Digital Video Compression For registration or additional information, please contact: SPIE, P O Box 10, Bellingham, WA 98225, USA Telephone: 206/676-3290, fax: 206/647-1445, email: spie@spie.org ***** DIGITAL VIDEO COMPRESSION: ALGORITHMS & TECHNOLOGIES 1995 CONFERENCE Tuesday-Friday 7-10 February 1995 Part of IS&T/SPIE Symposium on Electronic Imaging: Science & Technology San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California, February 5-11, 1995 In Cooperation with: IEEE Computer Society IEEE Communications Society Conference Chairs: Arturo A. Rodriguez, Kaleida Labs, Inc.; Robert J. Safranek, AT&T Bell Labs.; Edward J. Delp, Purdue Univ. Program Committee: V. Michael Bove, Jr., MIT Media Lab.; Alexander I. Drukarev, Hewlett Packard Labs.; Ephraim Feig, IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Ctr.; Chad E. Fogg, Chromatic Research Corp.; James D. Johnston, AT&T Bell Labs.; Riccardo Leonardi, Univ. of Brescia (Italy); John O. Limb, Georgia Institute of Technology; King N. Ngan, Univ. of Western Australia (Australia); James O. Normile, Apple Computer, Inc.; Michael T. Orchard, Univ. of Illinois/Urbana-Champaign; Davis Y. Pan, Motorola Corporate Research; Sethuraman Panchanathan, Univ. of Ottawa (Canada); K. R. Rao, Univ. of Texas/Arlington; Subramania I. Sudharsanan, Digital Equipment Corp.; Eric Viscito, IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Ctr. **Tuesday 7 February ** Program Keynotes .... Tues. 2:00 - 3:30 pm Chair: Arturo A. Rodriguez, Kaleida Labs, Inc. 2:00 pm: Multimedia networking protocols: where are we? (Invited Paper), Domenico Ferrari, Univ. of California/Berkeley 2:45 pm: Video compression vs image quality vs delay vs complexity vs profits: which one should be optimized? (Invited Paper), Barry G. Haskell, AT&T Bell Labs Coffee Break .... 3:30 to 4:00 pm Poster Presentations and Demonstrations - 4:00 to 5:30 pm * Exhibit Hall Demonstrations of video and multimedia applications by various authors will accompany the poster presentations. Block adaptation classified vector quantization, H. P. Truong, S. Ho, Curtin Univ. of Technology (Australia) High-performance software MPEG video player for PCs, S. Eckart, Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Festkoerpertechnologie (FRG) Reconstruction artifacts in digital video compression, M. Yuen, H. R. Wu, Monash Univ. (Australia) Feature-preserving wavelet scheme for low-bit-rate coding, P. Cheng, C. J. Kuo, Univ. of Southern California Real-time MPEG-1 software decoding on HP workstations, V. Bhaskaran, K. Konstantinides, Hewlett-Packard Labs DCT-based scheme for lossless image compression, G. D. Mandyam, N. Ahmed, N. Magotra, Univ. of New Mexico Wavelet codec for image sequence coding at very low bit rate with low latency, S. Abraham, Univ. Jena (FRG); F. Seytter, Siemens AG (FRG) Very low bit-rate coding for PSTN videotelephony on personal computer: part 2, J. Schmitt, G. Eude, France Telecom/Ctr. National d'Etudes des Telecommunications (France) Real-time H.261 software-based codec on the Power Mac, H. Wu, K. S. Wang, J. O. Normile, K. Chu, D. Ponceleon, Apple Computer Multiplication free scaled 8 x 8 DCT algorithm with 530 additions, L. Kasperovich, Space Research Institute (Russia) New inner product algorithm of the 2D DCT, B. Feher, Technical Univ. of Budapest (Hungary) Vector-quantization-based scalable image compression, S. Panchanathan, A. Jain, Univ. of Ottawa (Canada) ** Wednesday 8 February ** SESSION 1 - Scene Change Detection and Video Indexing Chair: Arturo A. Rodriguez, Kaleida Labs, Inc. 1:35 pm: Scene change detection and content-based sampling of video sequences, B. Shahraray, AT&T Bell Labs 2:00 pm: Scene change detection in a MPEG-compressed video sequence, Y. Juan, Hitachi America, Ltd.; S. Chang, Columbia Univ 2:25 pm: Scene decomposition of MPEG compressed video, H. H. Liu, G. L. Zick, Univ. of Washington 2:50 pm: Temporal segmentation of videos: a new approach, M. Cherfaoui, C. Bertin, CCETT (France) Coffee Break .... 3:15 to 3:40 pm SESSION 2 - Low Bit Rate Coding Chair: Riccardo Leonardi, Univ. of Brescia (Italy) 3:40 pm: Single-frame prediction for high video compression, R. Leonardi, Univ. of Brescia (Italy) 4:05 pm: Variable block size video coding with motion prediction and motion segmentation, K. Zhang, M. Bober, J. Kittler, U. of Surrey (UK) 4:30 pm: Ordered Kohonen vector quantization for very low rate interframe video coding, H. Liu, Univ. of Hawaii/Manoa 4:55 pm: Segmentation-based scheme for very low-bit-rate video coding, V. Bhaskaran, Hewlett-Packard Labs.; W. Li, M. Kunt, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (Switzerland) 5:20 pm: Active compression: a framework for video conferencing at very low bit rates, M. Sipitca, T. J. Klausutis, V. K. Madisetti, Georgia Institute of Technology ** Thursday 9 February ** SESSION 3 MPEG Video Chair: Robert J. Safranek, AT&T Bell Labs. 8:05 am: ISO/IEC MPEG-2 software video codec, S. Eckart, Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Festkoerpertechnologie (FRG); C. E. Fogg, Chromatic Research Corp 8:30 am: Performance evaluation of MPEG-2 for HDTV, D. Lauzon, A. Vincent, L. Wang, Communications Research Ctr. (Canada) 8:55 am: Impact of scan conversion methods on the performance of scalable video coding, E. Dubois, N. Baaziz, INRS-Telecommunications (Canada); M. Matta, McGill Univ. (Canada) 9:20 am: Forward-adaptive quantization with optimal overhead cost for image and video coding with applications to MPEG video coders, A. Ortega, Univ. of Southern California; K. Ramchandran, Univ. of Illinois/Urbana-Champaign 9:45 am: Rate-quantization modeling for rate control of MPEG video coding and recording, W. Ding, B. Liu, Princeton Univ Coffee Break .... 10:10 to 10:40 am SESSION 4 - Motion Estimation Techniques I Chair: K. R. Rao, Univ. of Texas/Arlington 10:40 am: Motion-compensated interpolation using trajectories with acceleration, M. Chahine, McGill Univ. (Canada); J. Konrad, INRS-Telecommunications (Canada) 11:05 am: Projection methods in motion estimation and compensation, M. Vetterli, T. Kalker, Univ. of California/Berkeley 11:30 am: Performance evaluation of spatial dynamic motion compensation algorithms, H. R. Wu, A. P. Paplinski, Q. X. Jian, M. Yuen, Monash Univ. (Australia) Lunch/Exhibit Break .... 11:55 am to 1:30 pm SESSION 5 - Motion Estimation Techniques II Chair: Michael T. Orchard, Univ. of Illinois/Urbana-Champaign 1:30 pm: Multiresolution framework for backward motion compensation, A. Nosratinia, M. T. Orchard, Univ. of Illinois/Urbana-Champaign 1:55 pm: Pyramid decompositions and hierarchical motion compensation, D. Houlding, J. Vaisey, Simon Fraser Univ. (Canada) 2:20 pm: Fast motion vector estimation with a Markov model for MPEG, S. Kim, C. J. Kuo, Univ. of Southern California 2:45 pm: Simple way to improve perceived quality of motion-compensated prediction images, B. Deknuydt, S. Desmet, L. Van Eycken, A. J. Oosterlinck, Katholieke Univ. Leuven (Belgium) Coffee Break .... 3:10 to 3:40 pm SESSION 6 - Video Analysis Chair: V. Michael Bove, Jr., MIT Media Lab. 3:40 pm: Segmentation of frames in a video sequence using motion and other attributes, E. Chalom, V. Bove, Jr., MIT Media Lab 4:05 pm: Mosaic-based video compression, M. Irani, S. Hsu, P. Anandan, David Sarnoff Research Ctr 4:30 pm: Encoding motion and approximate segmentation in a slicing floorplan tree structure, H. Schweitzer, Univ. of Texas/Dallas; Y. Zhang, Southern Methodist Univ 4:55 pm: Multiresolutional region-based segmentation scheme for stereoscopic image sequence compression, S. Sethuraman, M. W. Siegel, A. G. Jordan, Carnegie Mellon Univ 5:20 pm: Classification of objects in a video sequence, B. Carpentieri, Univ. di Salerno (Italy); J. A. Storer, Brandeis Univ ** Friday 10 February ** SESSION 7 Coding Methods and Techniques Chair: Subramania I. Sudharsanan, Digital Equipment Corp. 8:05 am: Volume data compression using smoothed particle transformation, M. Nagasawa, Hitachi Central Research Lab. (Japan) 8:30 am: Algorithm for fast fractal image compression, J. Kominek, Univ. of Waterloo (Canada) 8:55 am: Software codec-based full-motion video conferencing on the PC using visual pattern image sequence coding, B. S. Barnett, A. C. Bovik, Univ. of Texas/Austin 9:20 am: Knowledge-based approach to JPEG acceleration, K. Froitzheim, H. Wolf, Univ. Ulm (FRG) 9:45 am: New generation of real-time software-based video codec: popular video coder II (PVC-II), H. Huang, J. Wu, National Taiwan Univ. Coffee Break .... 10:10 to 10:40 am SESSION 8 Wavelet Coding Chair: Sethuraman Panchanathan, Univ. of Ottawa (Canada) 10:40 am: Wavelet-based scalable image compression, S. Panchanathan, A. Jain, Univ. of Ottawa (Canada) 11:05 am: Vector quantization of wavelet-transformed coefficients for image and video coding, Y. H. Ang, M. Bi, S. Ong, National Univ. of Singapore 11:30 am: Efficient algorithm for video compression using wavelet transform, V. M. Silva, L. A. de Sa, Univ. de Coimbra (Portugal) Lunch Break .... 11:55 am to 1:30 pm SESSION 9 - Coding Techniques and Implementations Chair: Edward J. Delp, Purdue Univ. 1:30 pm: Runlength encoding of quantized DCT coefficients, V. Ratnakar, Univ. of Wisconsin/Madison; E. Feig, E. Viscito, IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Ctr.; S. Kalluri, Univ. of Delaware 1:55 pm: Parallel implementation of an MPEG1 encoder: faster than real time!, K. Shen, E. J. Delp, Purdue Univ 2:20 pm: Scan image compression/encryptor: algorithm and hardware design, N. G. Bourbakis, SUNY/Binghamton and Univ. of Crete (Greece); W. Tariq, SUNY/Binghamton; C. Alexopoulos, Univ. of Patras (Greece) 2:45 pm: Fast VLSI architecture for 8 x 8 2D DCT, H. De Perthuis, E. Bercovici, A. De Grandmaison, M. Akil, Groupe ESIEE (France) From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jan 06 16:43:57 1995 Received: from talisman.kaleida.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <15670-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:43:01 +0000 Received: from [198.186.10.120] (rodriguez.kaleida.com) by kaleida.com (4.1/Spike-2.1-(Kaleida)) id AA04728; Fri, 6 Jan 95 13:41:53 PST Date: Fri, 6 Jan 95 13:41:52 PST Message-Id: <9501062141.AA04728@kaleida.com> X-Sender: aar@talisman.kaleida.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mm-sig@jnt.ac.uk, wg-imm@rare.nl, mmis@mailbase.ac.uk, rem-conf@es.net From: aar@kaleida.com (Arturo A. Rodriguez) Subject: Reminder Conference next month - Multimedia Computing & Networking For registration or additional information, please contact: SPIE, P O Box 10, Bellingham, WA 98225, USA Telephone: 206/676-3290, fax: 206/647-1445, email: spie@spie.org ***** MULTIMEDIA COMPUTING AND NETWORKING 1995 CONFERENCE Monday-Wednesday 6-8 February 1995 Part of IS&T/SPIE Symposium on Electronic Imaging: Science & Technology San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California, February 5-11, 1995 In Cooperation with IEEE Computer Society IEEE Communications Society Conference Chairs: Arturo A. Rodriguez, Kaleida Labs, Inc.; Jacek Maitan, Univ. of North Carolina/Charlotte Program Committee: H. W. Peter Beadle, Univ. of Wollongong (Australia); Shi-Kuo Chang, Univ. of Pittsburgh; Mon-Song Chen, InfoVision Technology; Jerome R. Cox, Jr., Washington Univ.; Jose J. Garcia-Luna, Univ. of California/Santa Cruz; Nicolas D. Georganas, Univ. of Ottawa (Canada); Simon J. Gibbs, German Nat. Research Ctr for Computer Science; Riccardo Gusella, Hewlett Packard Labs.; Wendy Hall, Univ. of Southampton (UK); Dilip D. Kandlur, IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Ctr.; John O. Limb, Georgia Institute of Technology; Thomas D. C. Little, Boston Univ.; A. Desai Narasimhalu, National Univ. of Singapore; Bonnie Nardi, Apple Computer, Inc.; P. Venkat Rangan, Univ. of California/San Diego; Lawrence A. Rowe, Univ. of California/Berkeley; Ralf Steinmetz, IBM European Networking Ctr. (FRG); Scott M. Stevens, Carnegie Mellon Univ. ** Monday 6 February ** SESSION 1 - Multimedia Authoring and Presentation Chair: Wendy Hall, Univ. of Southampton (UK) 8:05 am: Putting the media into hypermedia, N. Beitner, W. Hall, Univ. of Southampton (UK); C. Goble, Univ. of Manchester (UK) 8:30 am: MEHIDA: an intelligent multimedia tutoring system for the hearing-impaired, F. Alonso, A. de Antonio, J. L. Fuertes, C. Montes, Univ. Politecnica de Madrid (Spain) 8:55 am: Representation-based user interfaces for the audiovisual library of year 2000, P. Aigrain, P. Joly, P. Lepain, V. Longueville, Univ. Toulouse III--Univ. Paul Sabatier (France) 9:20 am: Multimedia interactions and how they can be realized, D. Dingeldein, Zentrum fuer Graphische Datenverarbeitung eV (FRG) 9:45 am: Improvement of the user interface of multimedia applications by automatic display layout, P. Lueders, R. Ernst, Technische Univ. Braunschweig (FRG) Coffee Break .... 10:10 to 10:40 am SESSION 2 - Multimedia Computing and Applications Chair: Jacek Maitan, Univ. of North Carolina/Charlotte 10:35 am: Pyramid broadcasting for video-on-demand service, S. Viswanathan, T. Imielinski, Rutgers Univ 11:00 am: Look-ahead scheduling to support pause-resume for video-on-demand applications, P. S. Yu, J. L. Wolf, H. Shachnai, IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Ctr 11:25 am: Capture and playback synchronization in video conferencing, Z. Shae, P. Chang, IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Ctr.; M.-S. Chen, InfoVision Technology 11:50 am: Computer-based consultation for transfusion medicine, J. Maitan, Univ. of North Carolina/Charlotte Lunch Break .... 12:15 to 1:30 pm SESSION 3 - Multimedia Communications Chair: H. W. Peter Beadle, Univ. of Wollongong (Australia) 1:30 pm: Supporting quality of service on multimedia terminals interconnected by a low-speed ATM network, J. Judge, H. Beadle, Univ. of Wollongong (Australia) 1:55 pm: Multimedia networking abstractions with quality of service guarantees, A. A. Lazar, Columbia Univ.; L. H. Ngoh, A. Sahai, National Univ. of Singapore (Singapore) 2:20 pm: Resource and connection admission control in real-time transport protocols, S. Guo, N. D. Georganas, Univ. of Ottawa (Canada) 2:45 pm: OS/2 resource reservation system, M. Baugher, IBM Personal Software Products Coffee Break .... 3:10 to 3:40 pm SESSION 4 - Media Synchronization Chair: Shi-Kuo Chang, Univ. of Pittsburgh 3:40 pm: Transformations among multimedia schemas in distributed multimedia systems, C. Lin, C. Kao, S. Chang, Univ. of Pittsburgh 4:05 pm: Addressing the real-time synchronization requirements of multimedia in an object-oriented framework, M. Papathomas, G. S. Blair, G. Coulson, P. Robin, Lancaster Univ. (UK) 4:30 pm: Content-based multimedia synchronization, D. Oh, S. SampathKumar, P. Rangan, Univ. of California/San Diego 4:55 pm: COSMOS: frameworks for real-time multimedia group presentation, D. Song, J. Kim, H. Lim, J. Park, Y. Lim, Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute (Korea) 5:20 pm: Cineloop synchronization in the MADE environment, A. Lie, Norsk Regnesentral (Norway); N. Correia, INESC (Portugal) ** Tuesday 7 February ** SESSION 5 - Transmission Methods, Techniques, and Technology Chair: P. Venkat Rangan, Univ. of California/San Diego 8:05 am: Smoothing and buffering for delivery of compressed video, W. Feng, S. Sechrest, Univ. of Michigan 8:30 am: Techniques for resilient transmission of JPEG video streams, E. J. Posnak, S. P. Gallindo, A. P. Stephens, H. M. Vin, Univ. of Texas/Austin 8:55 am: Network distribution of highly scalable VBR video traffic, D. S. Taubman, A. Zakhor, Univ. of California/Berkeley 9:20 am: Statistical characterization of MPEG, VBR-encoded video at the slice layer, M. R. Izquierdo, IBM Corp.; D. S. Reeves, North Carolina State Univ. 9:45 am: Local distribution for interactive multimedia TV to the home, D. D. Harman, G. Huang, G. Im, M. Nguyen, J. J. Werner, M. K. Wong, AT&T Bell Labs Coffee Break .... 10:10 to 10:35 am SESSION 6 - Collaborative Multimedia Computing Chair: Jose J. Garcia-Luna, Univ. of California/Santa Cruz 10:35 am: Rethinking video as a technology for interpersonal communications, S. Whittaker, Lotus Development Corp. 11:00 am: Design issues for floor control protocols, H. Dommel, J. J. Garcia-Luna, Univ. of California/Santa Cruz 11:25 am: CSpray: a collaborative scientific visualization application, A. Pang, C. M. Wittenbrink, T. Goodman, Univ. of California/Santa Cruz 11:50 am: Virtual working systems to support R&D groups, P. M. Dew, C. Leigh, D. Morris, R. Drew, J. Curson, Univ. of Leeds (UK) Lunch/Exhibit Break .... 12:15 to 2:00 pm Program Keynotes .... Tues. 2:00 pm Chair: Arturo A. Rodriguez, Kaleida Labs, Inc. 2:00 pm: Multimedia networking protocols: where are we? (Invited Paper), Domenico Ferrari, Univ. of California/Berkeley 2:45 pm: Video compression vs image quality vs delay vs complexity vs profits: which one should be optimized? (Invited Paper), Barry G. Haskell, AT&T Bell Labs Coffee Break .... 3:30 to 4:00 pm Poster Presentations and Demonstrations - 4:00 to 5:30 pm * Exhibit Hall Demonstrations of video and multimedia applications by various authors will accompany the poster presentations. Application migration to reserved bandwidth networks, P. A. Stirpe, D. C. Verma, IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Ctr Design and performance of a multistream MPEG-I system layer encoder/player set, J. A. Boucher, Z. Yaar, E. J. Rubin, J. D. Palmer, T. D. Little, Boston Univ. Multimedia object exchange manager for a distributed multimedia information system, J. Xiang, H. Chang, C. Kao, S. Chang, Univ. of Pittsburgh Analysis and optimization of a partial buffer sharing scheme for ATM switch overload control, S. Lu, H. A. Latchman, Univ. of Florida Improving NCSA Mosaic scalability through local area caching, J. Marino, G. Colla, A. Alessandri, Univ. di Genova (Italy); G. Succi, Univ. di Trento (Italy); A. Regoli, Univ. di Genova (Italy) Efficiently carrying bursty data on ATM networks, S. Duguid, H. Beadle, G. J. Anido, I. Kerekes, Univ. of Wollongong (Australia) Interactive video-on-demand services on cable TV networks, S. SampathKumar, P. Rangan, Univ. of California/San Diego Embedding interactive external program objects within open-distributed-hypermedia documents, M. D. Doyle, C. S. Ang, D. C. Martin, Univ. of California/San Francisco Application-level technique for faster transmission of large images on the internet, L. Long, L. E. Berman, National Library of Medicine; L. Neve, Century Corp.; G. Roy, AlliedSignal Inc.; G. R. Thoma, National Library of Medicine Automatic generation of pictorial transcripts of video programs, B. Shahraray, D. C. Gibbon, AT&T Bell Labs. ** Wednesday 8 February ** SESSION 8 - Multimedia Servers and Media Scheduling Chair: Dilip D. Kandlur, IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Ctr. 8:05 am: Using rate staggering to store scalable video data in a disk-array-based video server, M. Chen, D. D. Kandlur, P. S. Yu, IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Ctr 8:30 am: Storage server requirements for delivery of hypermedia documents, J. F. Buford, J. Rutledge, C. Gopal, Univ. of Massachusetts/Lowell 8:55 am: Admissions control and data placement for VBR video servers, E. Chang, A. Zakhor, Univ. of California/Berkeley 9:20 am: Formal method for analysis and design of periodic multimedia systems, S. Chatterjee, J. K. Strosnider, Carnegie Mellon Univ 9:45 am: Activation set: an abstraction for accessing periodic data streams, T. Helbig, S. Noureddine, K. Rothermel, Univ. Stuttgart (FRG) Coffee Break .... 10:10 to 10:35 am SESSION 9 - Video Browsing and Organization Chair: Thomas D. C. Little, Boston Univ. 10:35 am: Capture-time indexing paradigm, authoring tool, and browsing environment for broadcast video, M. Carreira, J. E. Casebolt, G. Desrosiers, T. D. Little, Boston Univ. 11:00 am: Content-based video browsing tools, H. Zhang, S. W. Smoliar, J. H. Wu, National Univ. of Singapore (Singapore) 11:25 am: Video browsing using clustering and scene transitions on compressed sequences, M. M. Yeung, B. Yeo, W. Wolf, B. Liu, Princeton Univ 11:50 am: Semantic data model for embedded image information, J. Griffioen, R. Mehrotra, R. Yavatkar, Univ. of Kentucky From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jan 06 18:44:24 1995 Received: from vlsi.cs.caltech.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <18471-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 6 Jan 1995 15:42:25 +0000 Received: from fides.cs.caltech.edu by vlsi.cs.caltech.edu (4.1/1.34.1) id AA09319; Fri, 6 Jan 95 15:07:19 PST Date: Fri, 6 Jan 95 15:07:19 PST From: schooler@cs.caltech.edu (Eve Schooler) Message-Id: <9501062307.AA09319@vlsi.cs.caltech.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Solaris version of MMCC Cc: Christian.Claveleira@univ-rennes1.fr, aks@dokoka.ucsb.edu, annemari@psy.gla.ac.uk, aoo@denali.scl.cwru.edu, atkinson@sundance.itd.nrl.navy.mil, casner@isi.edu, cjh@mouth.etri.re.kr, dsc@olympus.nwnet.net, eble@iceland.informatik.uni-freiburg.de, ettab@fnal.gov, hans@sics.se, hi@mika.aist-nara.ac.jp, jacobs@filitov.isf.rl.af.mil, jank@suncms9.cern.ch, jaw@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk, jescobar@bbn.com, kameyama@opal.hike.te.chiba-u.ac.jp, kennino@sard.cs.orst.edu, krknag@cosmos.kaist.a.ckr, mangrich@uci.edu, menga@der.edf.fr, meyer@frostbite-falls.uoregon.edu, mirrorftp@nic2.es.net, mrp@itd.adelaide.edu.au, mscully@acm.org, narayan@lion.caren.net, nijtmans@ergolab4.psych.kun.nl, rck@sgi.com, rr@eel.ufl.edu, schooler@cs.caltech.edu, stefan@idefix.abo.fi, tjyang@cubic.entrance.com.tw, touch@isi.edu, tsr@uiuc.edu, ul@shiva.edvz.tuwien.ac.at, yves@maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca Anyone who picked up the Solaris .55a version of MMCC, the ISI session control tool for explicit-invitation sessions, might consider picking it up again. It is available as: ftp.isi.edu://confctrl/mmcc/mmcc-solaris.tar.Z We inadvertently compiled it using a different Tk/Tcl configuration and that introduced problems with libraries. So, Dave Meyers kindly recompiled it for us. We've also repackaged it so that it is indeed a compressed tar file that includes the full set of files, instead of simply the binary - in my haste I didn't package it up properly the last time (sorry 'bout that). Eve From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jan 07 10:13:56 1995 Received: from herman.cmf.nrl.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <03082-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sat, 7 Jan 1995 07:13:20 +0000 Received: (from fenner@localhost) by herman.cmf.nrl.navy.mil (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id KAA19513; Sat, 7 Jan 1995 10:13:15 -0500 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 10:13:15 -0500 From: "William C. Fenner" Message-Id: <199501071513.KAA19513@herman.cmf.nrl.navy.mil> To: carl@radio.com, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: House and Senate Quality I have had quality problems on the World Radio Network, some of which definitely sounded like duplicate packets. I was running my duplicate-detector yesterday, and would occasionally see a duplicate from Carl's hosts with a ttl difference of 4 between the packets... but I can't characterize the duplicate behaviour since it only happens occasionally and not on every packet. I saw lots of duplicates from around the world yesterday. There were many anomalies in the data, however, so I'm not sure that I wasn't seeing some weird local phenomenon. I plan to make sure that our local topology is completely stable and then try monitoring duplicates again on Monday. Bill From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Jan 08 08:34:07 1995 Received: from wraith.internode.com.au by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09625-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 05:33:22 +0000 Received: from simon.Zen by wraith.internode.com.au with DMSP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.50/UA-5.23) id AA14961; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 23:59:30 +1030 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 23:59:30 +1030 Message-Id: <9501081329.AA14961@wraith.internode.com.au> To: fenner@cmf.nrl.navy.mil Subject: Re: House and Senate Quality From: simon@internode.com.au (Simon Hackett) Reply-To: simon@internode.com.au Cc: carl@radio.com, rem-conf@es.net Sender: simon@internode.com.au Repository: internode.com.au Originating-Client: Zen > I have had quality problems on the World Radio Network, some of which > definitely sounded like duplicate packets. It might be the wrong interpretation, but I'm nursing a theory that the gsm reassembly in vat is not able to reassemble slightly late, out of order packets and might be playing 'em back out of sequence if they miss some sort of window. For that or some other unrelated reason, I think the delay or ordering characteristics of some links, esp. the path to the uk by the sound of it, are somewhat "interesting". Did you run your vat in "lecture" mode? With the longer playout duration I would expect vat to be able to do a better job of re-ordering slightly late packets. Comparing lecture and conference mode during a period of "bad sounding stuff" would be most instructive, if you could do that... Cheers, Simon Hackett simon@Internode.com.au (a.k.a. simon@radio.com :) ) Simon Hackett, Internode Systems Pty Ltd, Adelaide, Australia Email: simon@internode.com.au URL: http://www.internode.com.au Phone: +61 8 373 1020 Fax: +61 8 373 4911 "My other car is a glider ... SF25-C MotorFalke ... VH-FQW" From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Jan 08 12:06:36 1995 Received: from cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <10599-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:06:02 +0000 Received: from scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk (jaw@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.200.48]) by cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01348; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:05:55 GMT Received: (jaw@localhost) by scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA23575; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:05:52 GMT Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:05:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Graeme Wood Reply-To: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk To: Carl Malamud cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: House and Senate Quality In-Reply-To: <199501051621.LAA16101@trystero.radio.com> Message-ID: X-Department: "Unix Systems Support, Computing Services" X-Organisation: "The University of Edinburgh" X-URL: "http://ugwww.ucs.ed.ac.uk/~jaw/" X-Phone: +44 31 650 5003 X-Fax: +44 31 650 6552 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Jan 1995, Carl Malamud wrote: > We've heard a report from across the Atlantic that our GSM is > sounding really bad ... the audio file from vat_record sounds > like it may have duplicate packets. > > Anybody have any ideas? Is the mbone duplicating packets? Is > the audio quality and packet loss rate acceptable in other places? > > Would appreciate some reports. It is not just packet loss that I am seeing. I am seeing vat report virtually every kind of error possible. Bad ID, Bad encoding etc etc. though I suppose all of these could be as a result of packet loss. I am seeing a large number of duplicates and misordered packets. The mbone certainly has been duplicating packets for some months. I guess that GSM is just very intolerant of it. The DVI2 encoding being used for the RT-FM is fine though. I am seeing hardly any packet loss and the quality (of the audio not the content) is very good. ============================================================================= Graeme Wood Email: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk Unix Systems Support Phone: +44 131 650 5003 The University of Edinburgh Fax: +44 131 650 6552 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scottish MICE National Support Centre Email: mice-nsc-scotland@ed.ac.uk for your multimedia conferencing support WWW: http://mice.ed.ac.uk/mice/ ============================================================================= From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Jan 08 12:14:41 1995 Received: from cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <10650-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:13:57 +0000 Received: from scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk (jaw@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.200.48]) by cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01605; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:12:55 GMT Received: (jaw@localhost) by scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA23605; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:12:53 GMT Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:12:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Graeme Wood Reply-To: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk To: Simon Hackett cc: fenner@cmf.nrl.navy.mil, carl@radio.com, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: House and Senate Quality In-Reply-To: <9501081329.AA14961@wraith.internode.com.au> Message-ID: X-Department: "Unix Systems Support, Computing Services" X-Organisation: "The University of Edinburgh" X-URL: "http://ugwww.ucs.ed.ac.uk/~jaw/" X-Phone: +44 31 650 5003 X-Fax: +44 31 650 6552 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 8 Jan 1995, Simon Hackett wrote: > It might be the wrong interpretation, but I'm nursing a theory that > the gsm reassembly in vat is not able to reassemble slightly late, out > of order packets and might be playing 'em back out of sequence if > they miss some sort of window. Possibly. > For that or some other unrelated reason, I think the delay or > ordering characteristics of some links, esp. the path to the uk by > the sound of it, are somewhat "interesting". Why esp. the path to the UK. The path to the UK is by no means extraordinary. I would say we are one of the better connected countries. > Did you run your vat in "lecture" mode? With the longer playout > duration I would expect vat to be able to do a better job of > re-ordering slightly late packets. Comparing lecture and conference > mode during a period of "bad sounding stuff" would be most > instructive, if you could do that... It makes no difference in lecture mode. I would not really expect it to if it was a problem due to duplicate packets and I am seeing a VERY large number of them. ============================================================================= Graeme Wood Email: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk Unix Systems Support Phone: +44 131 650 5003 The University of Edinburgh Fax: +44 131 650 6552 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scottish MICE National Support Centre Email: mice-nsc-scotland@ed.ac.uk for your multimedia conferencing support WWW: http://mice.ed.ac.uk/mice/ ============================================================================= From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 09 01:46:48 1995 Received: from nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <14483-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 22:46:04 +0000 Received: by nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27860; Sun, 8 Jan 95 22:44:10 PST From: kcohan@mpusd.K12.CA.US Original-Received: from cc:Mail by mpusd.K12.CA.US id AA789634436 Sun, 08 Jan 95 22:53:56 PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Date: Sun, 08 Jan 95 22:53:56 Encoding: 1186 Text Message-Id: <9500087896.AA789634436@mpusd.K12.CA.US> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: OJ Simpson MOCK trial Proposed MBONE multicast: Please email me at kcohan@mpusd.k12.ca.us if you want us to do this. If enough folks want to see this on the MBONE, I'll make it happen. * * * You be the JURY in an OJ SImpson MOCK trial. * * * Why wait for the real thing? Why depend on 12 people you don't even know? Decide for yourself- is OJ guilty or innocent? Ten top criminal lawyers will hold an OJ Simpson MOCK trial on the MBONE and then answer your emailed questions on the MBONE. I am orqanizing an OJ Simpson mock trial, in which 10 top lawyers will argue the case in front of a paying audience. Its a fund raiser for local nonprofits. Before we go in front of a real LIVE audience, we are willing to go before the MBONE, as practice- and to answer your questions about the OJ Simpson case. The MBONE trial will be held during the work week, probably around 11AM in the morning. Let me know if you want to see this. Kim Cohan kcohan@mpusd.k12.ca.us From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 09 08:30:48 1995 Received: from uu10.psi.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <17377-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 05:30:08 +0000 Received: by uu10.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA13764 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 95 08:29:27 -0500 Received: from mailgate1.insoft.com by insoft2.insoft.com (4.1/RHP-1.0) id AA00442; Mon, 9 Jan 95 08:26:24 EST Original-Received: from cc:Mail by mailgate1.insoft.com id AA789624798 Sun, 08 Jan 95 20:13:18 EST PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Date: Sun, 08 Jan 95 20:13:18 EST From: es@mailgate1.insoft.com (Ed Skonecki) Message-Id: <9500087896.AA789624798@mailgate1.insoft.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: subscribe subscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 09 08:52:34 1995 Received: from BUSTER.RLCN.RL.AF.MIL by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <17566-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 05:51:52 +0000 Received: from filitov.isf.rl.af.mil (filitov.ISF.RL.AF.MIL [128.132.64.25]) by buster.RLCN.RL.AF.MIL (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA24631; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:47:13 -0500 Received: by filitov.isf.rl.af.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18992; Mon, 9 Jan 95 08:41:46 EST Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 08:41:46 EST From: jacobs@filitov.isf.rl.af.mil (Dave Quinn-Jacobs - ReQuest Inc.) Message-Id: <9501091341.AA18992@filitov.isf.rl.af.mil> To: schooler@cs.caltech.edu Cc: rem-conf@es.net, Christian.Claveleira@univ-rennes1.fr, aks@dokoka.ucsb.edu, annemari@psy.gla.ac.uk, aoo@denali.scl.cwru.edu, atkinson@sundance.itd.nrl.navy.mil, casner@isi.edu, cjh@mouth.etri.re.kr, dsc@olympus.nwnet.net, eble@iceland.informatik.uni-freiburg.de, ettab@fnal.gov, hans@sics.se, hi@mika.aist-nara.ac.jp, jank@suncms9.cern.ch, jaw@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk, jescobar@bbn.com, kameyama@opal.hike.te.chiba-u.ac.jp, kennino@sard.cs.orst.edu, krknag@cosmos.kaist.a.ckr, mangrich@uci.edu, menga@der.edf.fr, meyer@frostbite-falls.uoregon.edu, mirrorftp@nic2.es.net, mrp@itd.adelaide.edu.au, mscully@acm.org, narayan@lion.caren.net, nijtmans@ergolab4.psych.kun.nl, rck@sgi.com, rr@eel.ufl.edu, schooler@cs.caltech.edu, stefan@idefix.abo.fi, tjyang@cubic.entrance.com.tw, touch@isi.edu, tsr@uiuc.edu, ul@shiva.edvz.tuwien.ac.at, yves@maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca In-Reply-To: <9501062307.AA09319@vlsi.cs.caltech.edu> (schooler@cs.caltech.edu) Subject: Re: Solaris version of MMCC Thanks! We will pick it up again. ----------------------------------------- David Quinn-Jacobs, Principal Scientist ReQuest Technologies, Inc. 395 Armstrong Road West Winfield, New York 13491 Telephone/FAX: (315) 855-4490 Internet: ReQuestInc@aol.com on-site, Rome Labs: (315) 330-3221 x257 jacobs@filitov.isf.rl.af.mil From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 09 11:22:41 1995 Received: from rodan.UU.NET by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <18629-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:21:50 +0000 Received: by rodan.UU.NET id QQxxyn08191; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 11:20:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 11:20:34 -0500 Message-Id: From: Henry Kilmer To: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk Cc: Simon Hackett , fenner@cmf.nrl.navy.mil, carl@radio.com, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: House and Senate Quality In-Reply-To: References: <9501081329.AA14961@wraith.internode.com.au> But from here I saw no duplicate packets in the time I was monitoring the broadcasts. The main difference that I can point to is the packet loss. There is no packet loss from Carl's site to mine (being his provider). I also checked on another machine fed from a different mrouter across our backbone (although not through our trouble spot) and saw no problems. We do have one connection that is overloaded and the upgrade of the link is close at hand. As for other areas, there is a good deal of packet loss elsewhere (MAE-East, etc.). Graeme Wood writes: >On Sun, 8 Jan 1995, Simon Hackett wrote: > >> It might be the wrong interpretation, but I'm nursing a theory that >> the gsm reassembly in vat is not able to reassemble slightly late, out >> of order packets and might be playing 'em back out of sequence if >> they miss some sort of window. > >Possibly. > >> For that or some other unrelated reason, I think the delay or >> ordering characteristics of some links, esp. the path to the uk by >> the sound of it, are somewhat "interesting". > >Why esp. the path to the UK. The path to the UK is by no means >extraordinary. I would say we are one of the better connected countries. > >> Did you run your vat in "lecture" mode? With the longer playout >> duration I would expect vat to be able to do a better job of >> re-ordering slightly late packets. Comparing lecture and conference >> mode during a period of "bad sounding stuff" would be most >> instructive, if you could do that... > >It makes no difference in lecture mode. I would not really expect it to >if it was a problem due to duplicate packets and I am seeing a VERY >large number of them. > >============================================================================= >Graeme Wood Email: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk >Unix Systems Support Phone: +44 131 650 5003 >The University of Edinburgh Fax: +44 131 650 6552 >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Scottish MICE National Support Centre Email: mice-nsc-scotland@ed.ac.uk >for your multimedia conferencing support WWW: http://mice.ed.ac.uk/mice/ >============================================================================= > From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 09 12:37:41 1995 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <19580-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:36:48 +0000 Received: from shrew.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 17:35:26 +0000 From: Mark Handley Organisation: University College London, CS Dept. Phone: +44 71 380 7777 ext 3666 To: kcohan@mpusd.K12.CA.US cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: OJ Simpson MOCK trial In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 08 Jan 95 22:53:56." <9500087896.AA789634436@mpusd.K12.CA.US> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 95 17:33:19 +0000 Message-ID: <1082.789672799@cs.ucl.ac.uk> Sender: M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk > Proposed MBONE multicast: > > Please email me at kcohan@mpusd.k12.ca.us if you want us to do this. > If enough folks want to see this on the MBONE, I'll make it happen. > > * * * You be the JURY in an OJ SImpson MOCK trial. * * * Who's OJ Simpson? From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 09 13:22:50 1995 Received: from mailer.psc.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <20147-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 10:21:39 +0000 Received: from zippy.psc.edu by mailer.psc.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C 11/12/92 nydick) id AA02180; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 13:21:30 -0500 Message-Id: <9501091821.AA02180@mailer.psc.edu> To: carl@radio.com Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: House and Senate Quality In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jan 1995 11:20:34 EST." Date: Mon, 09 Jan 1995 13:21:28 -0500 From: Matt Mathis We are also fairly close to the origin, and heard strangenesses in both channels. In particular there were intervals where vat reported ZERO loss, dup, or out-of-sequence packets, yet the quality was poor. The distortion included a buzz, and sounded to me like loosing exactly alternate packets. It could also have been swapping alternate packets. Do you have digital recording of the broadcasts? Another strangeness was at least one interval when one channel was (nearly?) errorless and the other was running 10% loss or worse. I only listened for a few minutes so my baseline is limited. --MM-- From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 09 14:09:30 1995 Received: from vlsi.cs.caltech.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <20718-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 11:07:01 +0000 Received: from fides.cs.caltech.edu by vlsi.cs.caltech.edu (4.1/1.34.1) id AA15988; Mon, 9 Jan 95 11:04:21 PST Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 11:04:21 PST From: schooler@cs.caltech.edu (Eve Schooler) Message-Id: <9501091904.AA15988@vlsi.cs.caltech.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net, schooler@cs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: Solaris version of MMCC Cc: Christian.Claveleira@univ-rennes1.fr, aks@dokoka.ucsb.edu, annemari@psy.gla.ac.uk, aoo@denali.scl.cwru.edu, atkinson@sundance.itd.nrl.navy.mil, casner@isi.edu, cjh@mouth.etri.re.kr, dsc@olympus.nwnet.net, eble@iceland.informatik.uni-freiburg.de, ettab@fnal.gov, hans@sics.se, hi@mika.aist-nara.ac.jp, jacobs@filitov.isf.rl.af.mil, jank@suncms9.cern.ch, jaw@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk, jescobar@bbn.com, kameyama@opal.hike.te.chiba-u.ac.jp, kennino@sard.cs.orst.edu, krknag@cosmos.kaist.a.ckr, mangrich@uci.edu, menga@der.edf.fr, meyer@frostbite-falls.uoregon.edu, mirrorftp@nic2.es.net, mrp@itd.adelaide.edu.au, mscully@acm.org, narayan@lion.caren.net, nijtmans@ergolab4.psych.kun.nl, rck@sgi.com, rr@eel.ufl.edu, stefan@idefix.abo.fi, tjyang@cubic.entrance.com.tw, touch@isi.edu, tsr@uiuc.edu, ul@shiva.edvz.tuwien.ac.at, yves@maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca Take 3. Although the new file was available, I hadn't updated the release pointer; this has been done now. Hopefully, things should work as advertized. My apologies for clogging the ether. E. >From schooler@cs.caltech.edu Fri Jan 6 15:47:45 1995 >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 95 15:07:19 PST >From: schooler@cs.caltech.edu (Eve Schooler) >To: rem-conf@es.net >Subject: Solaris version of MMCC >Cc: Christian.Claveleira@univ-rennes1.fr, aks@dokoka.ucsb.edu, > annemari@psy.gla.ac.uk, aoo@denali.scl.cwru.edu, > atkinson@sundance.itd.nrl.navy.mil, casner@isi.edu, > cjh@mouth.etri.re.kr, dsc@olympus.nwnet.net, > eble@iceland.informatik.uni-freiburg.de, ettab@fnal.gov, hans@sics.se, > hi@mika.aist-nara.ac.jp, jacobs@filitov.isf.rl.af.mil, > jank@suncms9.cern.ch, jaw@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk, jescobar@bbn.com, > kameyama@opal.hike.te.chiba-u.ac.jp, kennino@sard.cs.orst.edu, > krknag@cosmos.kaist.a.ckr, mangrich@uci.edu, menga@der.edf.fr, > meyer@frostbite-falls.uoregon.edu, mirrorftp@nic2.es.net, > mrp@itd.adelaide.edu.au, mscully@acm.org, narayan@lion.caren.net, > nijtmans@ergolab4.psych.kun.nl, rck@sgi.com, rr@eel.ufl.edu, > schooler@cs.caltech.edu, stefan@idefix.abo.fi, > tjyang@cubic.entrance.com.tw, touch@isi.edu, tsr@uiuc.edu, > ul@shiva.edvz.tuwien.ac.at, yves@maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca >Content-Length: 642 >X-Lines: 16 > > >Anyone who picked up the Solaris .55a version of MMCC, the ISI session >control tool for explicit-invitation sessions, might consider picking >it up again. It is available as: > > ftp.isi.edu://confctrl/mmcc/mmcc-solaris.tar.Z > >We inadvertently compiled it using a different Tk/Tcl configuration and >that introduced problems with libraries. So, Dave Meyers > kindly recompiled it for us. > >We've also repackaged it so that it is indeed a compressed tar file that >includes the full set of files, instead of simply the binary - in my >haste I didn't package it up properly the last time (sorry 'bout that). > >Eve > From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 09 16:28:58 1995 Received: from nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <22441-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 13:27:16 +0000 Received: from deneb.cc.nps.navy.mil by nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28218; Mon, 9 Jan 95 13:24:43 PST Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 13:24:43 PST From: frazier@nps.navy.mil (Larry Frazier) Message-Id: <9501092124.AA28218@nps.navy.mil> To: kcohan@mpusd.K12.CA.US, M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: OJ Simpson MOCK trial Cc: rem-conf@es.net I didn't see a smiley... I thought OJ Simpson was known to a distance of about a light year by now... > From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 9 13:04:33 1995 > From: Mark Handley > Organisation: University College London, CS Dept. > Phone: +44 71 380 7777 ext 3666 > To: kcohan@mpusd.K12.CA.US > Cc: rem-conf@es.net > Subject: Re: OJ Simpson MOCK trial > Date: Mon, 09 Jan 95 17:33:19 +0000 > Sender: M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk > > > > > Proposed MBONE multicast: > > > > Please email me at kcohan@mpusd.k12.ca.us if you want us to do this. > > If enough folks want to see this on the MBONE, I'll make it happen. > > > > * * * You be the JURY in an OJ SImpson MOCK trial. * * * > > Who's OJ Simpson? > From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 09 17:45:37 1995 Received: from guest.apple.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <23441-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 14:44:37 +0000 Received: from [17.201.128.20] by guest.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/8-Feb-1993-eef) id AA23393; Mon, 9 Jan 95 14:44:16 PST for rem-conf@es.net Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 14:44:16 PST From: Mark "Q." Maxham Message-Id: <9501092244.AA23393@guest.apple.com> Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 14:45:44 -0800 To: Mark Handley From: max@guest.apple.com (Mark Q. Maxham) Subject: Re: OJ Simpson MOCK trial Cc: rem-conf@es.net > Who's OJ Simpson? Congratulations! You're on the REAL jury! Please report to Judge Ito's courtroom in Los Angeles at the first opportunity. :-) From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 10 09:31:31 1995 Received: from dxmint.cern.ch by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <00703-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 06:30:47 +0000 Received: from dxcoms.cern.ch by dxmint.cern.ch (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA29164; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:30:36 +0100 Received: by dxcoms.cern.ch (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA00487; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:30:33 +0100 Message-Id: <9501101430.AA00487@dxcoms.cern.ch> Subject: Next LHCC MBONE announcement To: rem-conf@es.net, htc@cearn.cern.ch, hrc@cearn.cern.ch Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:30:33 +0100 (MET) From: Christian Isnard - CERN/CN/CS X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23 DXCOMS1] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3863 CERN is pleased to announce that the Open Session of the 15th Large Hadron Collider Committee (LHCC) ------------------------------------------- will be broadcast on MBONE on Thursday 19th January between 08:00 GMT and 16:30 GMT A playback session will follow between 17:00 GMT and 23:00 GMT ------------------- The session will be advertised in sd session directory as "CERN - LHCC". The following tools will be used: vat v3.4 (audio), and nv v3.3 (video). 15th LHCC Open Session Provisional Agenda ----------------------------------------- Thursday 19th January Please note that all the times are given in GMT. Geneva time is GMT+1. Introduction ------------ 8.00- 8.15 GMT: Status of the LHC project (C.Llewellyn Smith, CERN DG) Presentation of the ATLAS Technical Proposal: --------------------------------------------- 8.15- 8.50 GMT: Introduction and Inner Detector (M.A.Parker) 9.00- 9.35 GMT: Calorimetry (D.Fournier) 9.45-10.15 GMT: Coffee break 10.15-10.50 GMT: Muons, magnet, integration, project planning (H.F.Hoffmann) 11.00-11.35 GMT: DAQ-trigger and physics (K.Einsweiler) Presentation of the CMS Technical Proposal: ------------------------------------------- 13.00-13.35 GMT: Overview and status report (M.Della Negra) 13.45-14.20 GMT: Magnet installation, tracking, muons (E.Radermacher) 14.30-15.00 GMT: Coffee break 15.00-15.35 GMT: Calorimetry, trigger-DAQ (T.Virdee) 15.45-16.20 GMT: Physics performance (D.Denegri) Approximative schedule of the playback session ---------------------------------------------- Thursday 19th January Introduction ------------ 17.00-17.15 GMT: Status of the LHC project (C.Llewellyn Smith, CERN DG) Presentation of the ATLAS Technical Proposal: --------------------------------------------- 17.15-17.50 GMT: Introduction and Inner Detector (M.A.Parker) 18.00-18.35 GMT: Calorimetry (D.Fournier) 18.45-19.20 GMT: Muons, magnet, integration, project planning (H.F.Hoffmann) 19.30-20.05 GMT: DAQ-trigger and physics (K.Einsweiler) Presentation of the CMS Technical Proposal: ------------------------------------------- 20.15-20.50 GMT: Overview and status report (M.Della Negra) 21.00-21.35 GMT: Magnet installation, tracking, muons (E.Radermacher) 21.45-22.20 GMT: Calorimetry, trigger-DAQ (T.Virdee) 22.30-23.05 GMT: Physics performance (D.Denegri) ------------------- CERN is the European Laboratory for Particle Physics. The LHC, a particle accelerator built from high powered superconducting magnets each 14 metres long, will be installed in CERN's existing 27-kilometre circular tunnel constructed for the LEP electron-positron collider on the Franco-Swiss border near Geneva. These powerful magnets will hold counter-rotating beams of protons on a steady course around the ring as superconducting accelerating cavities 'kick' them almost to the speed of light at energies higher than have ever been reached in accelerators. When these proton beams collide, at fixed crossing points, their combined energy of motion will produce an intense micro-fireball which will shoot out hundreds of new particles. These flashes of energy will probe the interactions between the tiny quark constituents hidden deep inside the colliding protons and reveal how Nature works at the most fundamental levels. -- Christian Isnard Email: isnard@dxcoms.cern.ch European Laboratory for Particle Physics CERN - CN/CS/EN Computers and Networks division Tel: +41 22 767 23 94 CH-1211 Geneva 23 - Switzerland Fax: +41 22 767 71 55 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 10 18:16:11 1995 Received: from milou.inria.fr by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <06386-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:14:34 +0000 Received: by milou.inria.fr (5.65c8/IDA-1.2.8) id AA01025; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:38:08 +0100 Message-Id: <199501101738.AA01025@milou.inria.fr> To: mice@cs.ucl.ac.uk, end2end-interest@ISI.EDU, hipparch@sophia.inria.fr, effelsberg@pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de, antony@ee.uts.edu.au, herrmann@ls4.informatik.uni-dortmund.de, afifi@rsm.enst-bretagne.fr, erbi@eurecom.fr, fuchs@informatik.tu-cottbus.de, 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kmw@informatik.uni-erlangen.de, midkiff@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu, miyamoto@shpcsl.sharp.co.jp, miyao@mis.hiroshima-u.ac.jp, morimoto@trlvm.vnet.ibm.com, bam@A.GP.CS.CMU.EDU, klara@GRADIENT.CIS.UPENN.EDU, neuhold@darmstadt.gmd.de, nigam@mitre.org, okamoto@csd.sumikin.co.jp, ola@adm.csc.ncsu.edu, osborne@software.org, ozsu@cs.ualberta.ca, cap1@thumper.bellcore.com, pax@ankh.metrolink.com, pezze@ipmel2.elet.polimi.it, picone@csc.ti.com, rakow@darmstadt.gmd.de, wilko@informatik.rwth-aachen.de, s.reisman@compmail.com, riedl@hannibal.cs.umn.edu, roman@wucs1.wustl.edu, marek@uh.edu, sato@huis.hiroshima-u.ac.jp, schnorf@canon.com, schooler@isi.edu, schwan@cc.gatech.edu, cts@cs.hut.fi, senay@seas.gwu.edu, mshakar@vrit01.eg, shan@hplmcs.hpl.hp.com, shekhar@cs.umn.edu, sheng@mis.arizona.edu, bjshep@ausvm6.vnet.ibm.com, ben@cs.umd.edu, sinha@trl.mei.co.jp, sklar@era.com, son@server.cs.Virginia.EDU, asood@gmuvax.gmu.edu, speegle@mercury.baylor.edu, steinmet%dhdibm1.BITNET@MitVMA.Mit.Edu To: sms@SEI.CMU.EDU, pds@cis.ufl.edu, stro@merl.com, jks@usa.ece.cmu.edu, sugihara@freiland.ics.hawaii.edu, deborah@citi.umich.edu, pete@icbl.heriot-watt.ac.uk, tanimoto@cs.washington.edu, tappan@software.org, tsotras@kanchi.poly.edu, jurban@enws104.eas.asu.edu, ventre@icsi.berkeley.edu, vetter@cs.umn.edu, walpole@cse.ogi.edu, wei@csufres.csufresno.edu, kywhang@mozart.kaist.ac.kr, klwu@watson.ibm.com, wuu@ctt.bellcore.com, yama@trdc008.csc.ti.com, yoshi@huis.hiroshima-u.ac.jp, yu@dbis.eecs.uic.edu, psyu@watson.ibm.com, magda@PENDER.EE.UPENN.EDU, znati@cs.pitt.edu, blattner@ocfkms.llnl.gov, jol@hpl.hp.com, mmm-people@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net, nik@clos.nnov.su, kas@clos.nnov.su, Geoff Coulson , ifip-6-1@labs-n.bbn.com, nossdav95@telecomm.hpl.hp.com, ietf@CNRI.Reston.VA.US, ripe@ripe.net, cost237_1@aaf.alcatel.at, hippi@think.com Subject: HPDC-4 Call For Papers Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:38:07 +0100 From: Walid Dabbous Dear collegue, Here follows the CFP for HPDC-4. Please note that the deadline is February 3, 1995. Sorry if you receive this more than once. Walid Dabbous dabbous@sophia.inria.fr --------------------------------------------------------- CALL FOR PAPERS FOURTH IEEE INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON HIGH PERFORMANCE DISTRIBUTED COMPUTING (HPDC-4) August 1-4, 1995 The Ritz Carlton, Pentagon City, Virginia USA SPONSORS: - IEEE Computer Society - TC on Distributed Processing - Northeast Parallel Architectures Center (NPAC) at Syracuse University IN COOPERATION WITH: - ACM SIGCOMM - Rome Laboratory THEME: The Fourth International Symposium on High Performance Distributed Computing is a forum for presenting the latest research findings on the application of parallel and distributed computing for solving computationally intensive applications across a network of high-performance computers. Authors are invited to submit full papers on all aspects of high performance distributed computing. Papers that deal with high-level tools, languages, and environments, as well as novel applications, are of particular interest. Papers receiving the best reviews will also be considered for publication in a special issue of the journal Concurrency: Practice and Experience on high-performance distributed computing. TOPICS OF INTEREST (include, but are not limited to): - Software environments and language support for high performance distributed computing - Parallel and distributed algorithms to solve computationally intensive problems across a LAN, MAN, or WAN. - High performance I/O and file systems - Fault tolerance - Architectural support for high-speed communications or interconnection networks - Efficient communication interfaces for distributed computing - Gigabit network architectures - Networking for multimedia data - HPDC applications and case studies SYMPOSIUM GENERAL CHAIR: Geoffrey Fox, NPAC, Syracuse University, (315)443-4741, hpdc@nova.npac.syr.edu SYMPOSIUM STEERING COMMITTEE: - Salim Hariri, Syracuse University (Chair) (315) 443-4282 hariri@cat.syr.edu - Tilak Agerwala, IBM - Andrew Grimshaw, University of Virginia - H. T. Kung, Harvard University - Daniel McAuliffe, Rome Laboratory - C. S. Raghavendra, Washington State University PROGRAM COMMITTEE CHAIR: A. S. Grimshaw, University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA PROGRAM COMMITTEE: - Dharma Agrawal, North Carolina State University - Prathima Agrawal, AT&T Bell Labs - Ishfaq Ahmad, Hong Kong University of Science and Technology - Ian F. Akyildiz, Georgia Tech - Marco Annaratone, DEC - Abhaya Asthana, AT&T - Ken Birman, Cornell University - Suresh Chalasani, University of Wisconsin, Madison - Monsong Chen, IBM Research - Roger Chen, Syracuse University - Ray Cline, Sandia National Laboratory - Jon Crowcroft, University College London - Walid Dabbous, INRIA, France - Jack Dongarra, University of Tennessee - Patrick Dowd, SUNY Buffalo - Dennis Duke, SCRI/Florida State University - Stuart Elby, NYNEX Science and Technology - Richard Freund, NRaD - J.J. Garcia-Luna, University of California, Santa Cruz - Salim Hariri, Syracuse University - S. H. Hosseini, University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee - T. V. Lakshman, Bell Communications Research - C. R. Mechoso, UCLA - Paul Messina, Caltech - Dick Metzger, Rome Laboratory - Paul Mockapetris, USC/ISI - John Morrison, Los Alamos National Laboratory - Ira Pramanick, IBM - Michael Quinn, Oregon State University - C. S. Raghavendra, Washington State University - Karsten Schwan, Georgia Institute of Technology - Nita Sharma, Ncube Inc. - A. Skjellum, Missippi State University - Rick Stevens, Argonne National Laboratory - Vaidy Sunderam, Emory University - Makoto Takizawa, Tokyo Denki University, Japan - Alexander Thomasian, IBM Research - Satish Tripathi, University of Maryland - Anujan Varma, UCSC - Pen-Chung Yew, University of Minnesota PUBLICITY CHAIRS: North America: T. V. Lakshman, Bell Communications Research Europe: Walid Dabbous, INRIA, France Asia: Makoto Takizawa, Tokyo Denki University, Japan TUTORIAL CHAIR: Vaidy Sunderam, Emory University, (404) 727-5926, vss@mathcs.emory.edu EXHIBITS CHAIR: C. S. Raghavendra, Washington State University REGISTRATION AND LOCAL ARRANGEMENTS: Peggy Van Arnam, Syracuse University Phone:(315) 443-3333 Fax: (315) 443-1168 e-mail: MJVANARN@SUADMIN.syr.edu PAPER SUBMISSIONS: Authors are requested to submit by February 3, 1995 five copies of their manuscript (not to exceed 25 double-spaced pages) to: Prof. A. S. Grimshaw Department of Computer Science, Olsson Hall University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22903-2442 USA 804-982-2200 grimshaw@virginia.edu Authors will be notified by April 25,1995. Final camera-ready copies are due by May 26, 1995. Tutorials proposals should be submitted to the Tutorials Chair. For more information about the symposium, e-mail to hpdc@nova.npac.syr.edu or see our WWW page at: http://uvacs.cs.virginia.edu/~hpdc95/ From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 11 00:41:35 1995 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <08853-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:40:58 +0000 Received: from hplabsz.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.4/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA13074; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:41:42 -0800 Received: by hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.14/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA298822861; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:41:01 -0800 From: Laura de Leon Message-Id: <9501102141.ZM29880@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:41:01 -0800 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.0.0 15dec93) To: rem-conf@es.net, sage-announce@usenix.org, baylisa@baylisa.org Subject: BayLISA: Dave Hitz on NFS Benchmarks Cc: deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 The BayLISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to systems and network administrators. The meetings are free and open to the public. BayLISA holds monthly meetings on the third Thursday of each month at 7:30 PM PDT. We meet at Synopsys Building C in Mountain View, California off Highway 237 at Middlefield. This meeting will also be broadcast via MBONE. Schedule -------- January 19th: The Myth of NFS Throughput: Response-time Bound Networks Dave Hitz, co-founder of Network Appliance Corporation Although the LADDIS NFS benchmark measures both throughput and response-time, most people focus almost exclusively on throughput. This is unfortunate, because in real-world configurations, response time is an important limit to total server throughput, along with more commonly recognized limits such as network bandwidth and the number of disk spindles available. This talk focuses on relating LADDIS performance to real world networks and configurations, to understanding what causes response-time bound networks, and to describing the file architecture that Network Appliance appliance uses to achieve fast NFS service. February 16th: Amy Kreiling on the World Wide Web Stay tuned for more information To get further information on the meeting location, you can request it >from the majordomo server on baylisa.org, you can ftp it from ftp.baylisa.org:/BayLISA/location or you can query the BayLISA mail server by cutting and pasting the following line to your shell: echo "index baylisa" | mail majordomo@baylisa.org BayLISA makes video tapes of the meetings available to members. For more information on available videos, please send email to: video@baylisa.org For any other information, please send email to: info@baylisa.org If you have any questions, please contact me or any of the info alias listed above. From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 11 05:37:02 1995 Received: from piper.cs.Colorado.EDU by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <11466-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 02:36:27 +0000 Received: (from evi@localhost) by piper.cs.colorado.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id DAA05565; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 03:36:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 03:36:23 -0700 From: Evi Nemeth Message-Id: <199501111036.DAA05565@piper.cs.colorado.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: USENIX Winter Conference, January 18-20 Cc: evi@piper.cs.colorado.edu We plan to broadcast the keynote and selected invited talks >from the USENIX conference next week in New Orleans. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Keynote Address: UBIQUITOUS COMPUTING, Mark Weiser, Xerox PARC Wednesday, January 18, 9:00-10:30AM Central Standard Time (GMT-0600) Inspired by the social scientists, philosophers, and anthropologists at PARC, we have been taking a radical look at what computing and networking ought to be like. People live through their practices and tacit knowledge so that the most powerful things are invisible in use. Our preliminary approach: activate the world. Provide hundreds of wireless computing devices per person per office, of all scales from one inch displays to wall-sized. We call this "ubiquitous computing." It has required new work in operating systems, user interfaces, networks, wireless, displays, and many other areas. It is different from PDAs, dynabooks, or information at your fingertips. It is invisible computing that does not live on a personal device of any sort, but is in the woodwork everywhere. In this talk I'll describe what is wrong with existing approaches to computing, why ubiquitous computing is inevitable, and some of the things learned from our research. Mark Weiser heads the Computer Science Laboratory at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center. He has done work in program slicing, operating systems, programming environments, and garbage collection. In 1989 he invented the notion of "Ubiquitous Computing", in which hundreds of tiny computers sit in every room and eliminate the personal computer. He earned his Ph.D. in Computer and Communications Sciences at the University of Michigan. Mark can be heard playing drums with the rock band "Severe Tire Damage" (the first live band on the Internet), and is the author of several public domain UNIX games. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Invited Talks Inventory (broadcast schedule will be posted when known) Wednesday, January 18: Bruce Schneier, Counterpane Systems Cryptography Brad Chen, Harvard Univ Operating System Measurement Thursday, January 19: John Ousterhout, Sun Microsystems TCL for Internet Agents Bill Janssen, Xerox PARC ILU/CORBA Inter-Language Unification Nathaniel Borenstein, 1st Virtual Holdings Internet Information Commerce David Chaum, Digicash b.v. Cash on the Internet Friday, January 20: Hal Varian, Univ of Michigan Economics of the Internet Pavel Curtis, Xerox PARC The Internet at the Turn of the Millennium: How You'll Use It and Who You'll Meet There =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -evi evi nemeth, assoc prof computer science dept university of colorado boulder, co 80309-0430 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 11 12:14:49 1995 Received: from nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <14611-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:14:17 +0000 Received: by nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06767; Wed, 11 Jan 95 09:12:23 PST From: kcohan@mpusd.K12.CA.US Original-Received: from cc:Mail by mpusd.K12.CA.US id AA789843891 Wed, 11 Jan 95 09:04:51 PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 09:04:51 Encoding: 658 Text Message-Id: <9500117898.AA789843891@mpusd.K12.CA.US> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: OJ NO JOY. How about DNA Okay, Not a lot of interest in the OJ mock trial, all I got were responses in the negative. Unless I hear from some folks who want it, then its OJ NO JOY. SO, how about this.... How about a panel of legal experts talking about DNA evidence in the courtroom, especially as it applies to people of color. How reliable is DNA evidence? Do minorities run a greater risk in false positives in DNA matching? What's the difference between RFLP and PCR gene matching? How many aquittals is DNA evidence responsible? Convictions? Kim Cohan From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 12 04:51:55 1995 Received: from peladon.rmit.EDU.AU by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <23959-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 01:51:08 +0000 Received: from exxilon.xx.rmit.EDU.AU by peladon.rmit.EDU.AU with SMTP id AA06102 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:51:01 +1100 Received: (richard@localhost) by exxilon.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (8.6.9/8.6.4/ram5) id UAA02336; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:51:14 +1100 From: "Richard A. Muirden" Message-Id: <199501120951.UAA02336@exxilon.xx.rmit.EDU.AU> Subject: Internet Radio Program to be broadcast to the Mbone To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:51:13 +1100 (EDT) Cc: o.benschop@info.curtin.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1201 Hi all, Onno Benschop hosts a community radio program about Computing issues. His program for next Tuesday, Jan 17th 1994 will be broadcast via the mbone. He would apprieciate any and all feedback regarding his program via email. email to: online@info.curtin.edu.au Online is an hour of the very latest in Computing and Information Technology. Broadcast every Tuesday between 10:00 and 11:00 GMT. Programme features: Computing News, Interviews, Tips, Tricks, Reviews, Music and prizes. Tuesday January 17, 1995: The Internet - how, why, what, where, who. This program is coming from Perth, Western Australia, and being routed to the Mbone via the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology Computer Centre. A booking has been placed in the mbone agenda and an sd entry will appear shortly. cheers, richard -- Richard A. Muirden, Sys. Admin |Fan of Shostakovich, "Star Trek" and the Boeing Mailto: richard@rmit.EDU.AU |777 (launch: May 15, 1995 - United Airlines). Phone: (+61 3) 660 3814 |I created alt.fan.shostakovich! Fly: UA,QF,WN http://www.rmit.edu.au/richard |Can *YOU* beat my 105 Shost CD's? :-) * 1995: Remembering 20 years since the death of Shostakovich (1906-75) * From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 12 07:42:31 1995 Received: from lobster.near.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <24913-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 04:41:52 +0000 Received: from [199.92.204.51] by lobster.near.net id aa15162; 12 Jan 95 7:41 EST Received: by tns.trellisnet.com; Thu, 12 Jan 95 7:54:31 EST Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 7:53:25 EST Message-ID: From: skaplan@trellisnet.com To: mbone-request@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: ...no subject... X-Incognito-SN: 340 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=1.71 ENCRYPTED=NO unsubscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 12 11:14:27 1995 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <26538-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:11:10 +0000 Received: from muridae.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:10:23 +0000 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: MICE seminars 1995. Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 16:09:31 +0000 From: Gordon Joly We will be starting MICE Seminars in Multimedia, Communications, Networks, Distributed Systems and CSCW next week. As the schedule will be updated from time to time, please see the URL below for any changes http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mice/seminars/ This location should also contain abstracts. The usual multicast addresses will be used: vat 224.5.17.12 (default port) ivs 224.5.17.12 (default port) wb 224.5.17.12 (port 32416) and an entry will be made in sd. ******************************************************** Seminars for 1995 Date: 17th January 95 Title: Some Steps towards Distributed Multimedia Information Retrieval Introduction Speaker: Jon Crowcroft (UCL) Multicast from UCL Start: 14:00 UTC End: 15:00 UTC Abstract: Some Steps towards Distributed Multimedia Information Retrieval Introduction The Internet is a place you find networked information servers. These include World Wide Web, Gopher, Wais, etc - which are all stateless servers, running over stateless networks, and holding, in some sense, stateless media. The Mbone is a place you find multimedia "realtime" applications The internet is being enhaced to provide statelful delivery of data such as realtime, where correlation of treatment of subsequent packets is required. The World Wide Web is based on the tried and trusted Client - Server model. Typical access looks like: o HTTP Get URL -> o Mime Content Type <- returned then, if Mime returned data contains references, client performas successive (sequential) GETs. (if Netscape or any multithreaded client, can have multiple TCP connections, and continue the subsequent GETs while the previous (encompassing HTML) one continues, by parallel TCPs.) Problems: o performance at server o differentiating actual different client connections from wrapped up mulitple threaded ones. o congestion control in net is defeated by increase in number of short lived TCP connections (alternative is to cache connection open, and have server mark the return path stream....ugly, so .... Other Problem - goodput/latency at client interface - Now, we should note that there is no reason to preserve order (netscape doesn't) so why use TCP? The talk will outline and discuss the implications of other solutions. Date: 14, February, 1995 Title: OSI-Management And Security Speakers: Ruediger Grimm, GMD (grimm@gmd.de) Thomas Hetschold (hetschold@gmd.de) Multicast from GMD Darmstadt Start: 14:00 UTC End: 15:00 UTC Date: 14th March 95 Title: IT's Future: Looking forward towards Computing and Communication Speaker: G.Q. Maguire Jr. (Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden (KTH) and Teleinformatik/ Telecommunications Systems Laboratory) Multicast from KTH Start: 14:00 UTC End: 15:00 UTC Seminars normally last 60 minutes with questions from those listening on the MBONE at the end, as well as questions from the local audience. Gordon Joly Email: G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk +441713807934 FAX +441713871397 Computer Science, University College London, Gower St., LONDON WC1E 6BT http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/people/gordo/ http://artaids.dcs.qmw.ac.uk:8001/ From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jan 13 10:06:09 1995 Received: from amdext.amd.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <08767-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:05:32 +0000 Received: from amdint.amd.com by amdext.amd.com with SMTP id AA19845 (5.67a/IDA-1.5+AMD for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:04:30 -0800 Received: from diamond.amd.com by amdint.amd.com with SMTP id AA11150 (5.67a/IDA-1.5+AMD for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:04:29 -0800 Received: by diamond.amd.com (4.1/AMDSN-1.20) id AA20262; Fri, 13 Jan 95 06:58:38 PST From: Andrew.Mills@amd.com (Andy Mills) Message-Id: <9501131458.AA20262@diamond.amd.com> Subject: Any PC/Windows Tools Available yet? To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 06:58:38 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 471 Hi, I have been absent from this forum for some while, and wondered if anyone could point me to any MBONE tools that may be available yet for the PC (Windows)? Thanks Andy -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andy Mills Tel: +1 512 602 7116 Manager, Comms Technology Fax: +1 512 602 7400 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. email: andrew.mills@amd.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Jan 15 23:19:15 1995 Received: from chert.CS.ORST.EDU by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <01339-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sun, 15 Jan 1995 20:18:29 +0000 Received: from flyap (flyap-atm.CS.ORST.EDU) by research.CS.ORST.EDU (4.1/1.30) id AA18414; Sun, 15 Jan 95 20:09:02 PST Received: by flyap (5.0/CS-Client) id AA01428; Sun, 15 Jan 1995 20:16:56 +0800 Message-Id: <9501160416.AA01428@flyap> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.1 12/2/94 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Announcing Nvatm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 20:16:55 -0800 From: David Aschkenasy Content-Length: 1231 Announcing Nvatm version 0.5alpha. Project Livewire, funded by the Network for Engineering and Research in Oregon (NERO), has produced Nvatm. Nvatm is a video-conferencing tool that allows the multicast of video traffic on a Fore Systems ATM network. It is a derivative of Nv by Ron Frederick of Xerox Parc and interoperates seemlessly with its ascendant. Nvatm has been compiled under the Solaris 2.3 operating system and release 2.3 of Fore Systems API to Fores equipment. SPANS signaling is required for ATM operation of Nvatm. The binaries are available at ftp.nero.net in pub/aschked/nvatm.Z . Operation requires no user intervention. If an ATM connection can be made between two Nvatm processes then it will be created automatically. The text nvatm.txt available in the same directory as the binary should answer most questions. This text is a draft. Much of it will be included in the authors Masters Thesis. Feedback is appreciated. The author will be happy to entertain any questions regarding Nvatm. For more information on NERO refer to http://www.nero.net. ----------------------------------------------- David Aschkenasy aschked@r.cs.orst.edu Oregon State University +1 (503) 758-6526 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 16 00:02:18 1995 Received: from lanshark.sv.interop.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <01577-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sun, 15 Jan 1995 21:01:22 +0000 Received: (from ericd@localhost) by lanshark.sv.interop.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA04203 for rem-conf@es.net; Sun, 15 Jan 1995 21:07:55 -0800 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 21:07:55 -0800 From: Eric Davis Message-Id: <199501160507.VAA04203@lanshark.sv.interop.net> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: "I have a dream" broadcast (Monday) Please note the following broadcast and times. It will a vic/vat brodcast. Thanks Eric Davis Eric Davis IUMA Network Roadie Manager, Worldwide Networking ericd@iuma.com ericd@interop.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ House of Blues MBONE Press Release This will be a VIC/VAT mbone and a CU-SeeMe feed. THE INTERNATIONAL HOUSE OF BLUES FOUNDATION HOSTS "I HAVE A DREAM DAY", AN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM IN HONOR OF DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. ON JANUARY 16 TO COMMEMORATE THE OCCASION HOUSE OF BLUES NEW MEDIA AND IUMA WILL JOIN FORCES TO BROADCAST THE EVENT LIVE OVER THE INTERNET West Hollywood: The International House Of Blues Foundation will host an educational program, "I Have A Dream Day" celebrating the birthday of Dr, Martin Luther King, Jr. on Monday, January 16 from 10:00 am-1:00 pm This multimedia educational presentation will highlight the accomplishments and contributions of the late Dr. King. Hosting the event will be Los Angeles' Channel 9 anchor Pat Harvey. Guest Speakers will include Congresswoman Maxine Waters, Rap Artist Chuck D of Public Enemy, Clarence Fountain of the legendary gospel group The Five Blind Boys of Alabama, Roscoe Lee Browne, Bluesmaster CharLie Musselwhite, Sculptor Tina Allen, Shelley Winters and Director Of Center for African American Studies at UCLA Dr. Eugene Grisgby. Performances will include The Five Blind Boys of Alabama, Marilyn McCoo and Billy Love Crusade Gospel Choir. Present will be 500 children from participating schools and youth organizations throughout Los Angeles includeing L.A. City Camp, I Have A Dream Foundation, Foshay Learning Center, Marvin Avenue School, First AME Church, All American Youth Foundation and the McKinley Children Center. Later that evening at 8:30 p.m. (PST), Clarence Fountain of The Five Blind Boys of Alabama will be sharing memories of his friendship with Dr. King followed with a live performance by his gospel band. Portions of the speech and concert will be fed live over the Internet. Also on the bill is the world-renowned Count Basie Band and special appearance by Charlie Musselwhite. Tickets for the evening event are on sale at all Ticketmaster locations and the House Of Blues Box-office. Commemorating the event, House of Blues New Media and IUMA (Internet Underground Music Archive) will use this occasion as an opportunity to illustrate the power of the Internet as an educational tool to reach audiences worldwide. This program will kick-off House Of Blues Backstage Pass, a series of live broadcasts over the Internet. For the first time, three of the most popular web sites: IUMA, underground.net and bazaar. com will join forces to promote educational material following the event. The live production will be the most elaborate ever attempted over the Internet. Materials on the web sites will include exclusive testimonials >from such artists as Chuck D of Public Enemy, controversial rap artist Ice T and others. This historical event brought together the latest technology available from Silicon Graphics, Apple Computers, Pacific Bell, Sprint. Sponsors include Coca-Cola, Walt-Disney Records, CBS Radio Networks, Tower Records, Interop/SOFTBANK Expos, and American Videogram. Using the Mosaic on the Internet, you can access information on how to receive the broadcast at one of three locations: http://iuma.com/ http://bazaar.com/ http//underground.net/ The performance will be an MBONE broadcast which will have the name HOBKING. Dr. Martin Luther King Celebration Monday, January 16 House of Blues - Sunset Strip Mistress of Ceremony - Pat Harvey Pledge of Alligence - Jamion B. Tillis "Lift Every Voice and Sing" - The Starfights & Los Angeles Love Crusade Choir Opening Speaker - Dr. Eugene Grigsby, III Clarence Fountain and The Five Blind Boys Kim McPherson Chuck D Shelley Winters "Freedom Highway" - Los Angeles Love Crusade Choir Roscoe Lee Browne Charlie Musselwhite Tina Allen Congresswoman Maxine Waters Ron Bergan :v From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 16 04:16:11 1995 Received: from mgate.uni-hannover.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <03340-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 01:15:15 +0000 Received: from helios.tnt.uni-hannover.de by mgate.uni-hannover.de with SMTP (PP); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:16:59 +0100 Received: from ikarus.tnt.uni-hannover.de by helios.tnt.uni-hannover.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03735; Mon, 16 Jan 95 10:15:03 +0100 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 95 10:15:03 +0100 From: bloemer@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Arnold Bloemer) Message-Id: <9501160915.AA03735@helios.tnt.uni-hannover.de> To: ericd@interop.net Subject: Re: "I have a dream" broadcast (Monday) Cc: rem-conf@es.net > This will be a VIC/VAT mbone and a CU-SeeMe feed. There is no announcement on sd, at least here in Germany. Arnold ________________________________________________________________________________ Dipl.-Ing. Arnold Bloemer Universitaet Hannover Institut fuer Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik und Informationsverarbeitung bloemer@tnt.uni-hannover.de Appelstrasse 9A fax: +49 511 762-5333 D-30167 Hannover phone: +49 511 762-5320 Germany ________________________________________________________________________________ From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 16 05:34:36 1995 Received: from lanshark.sv.interop.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <04123-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 02:33:47 +0000 Received: (from ericd@localhost) by lanshark.sv.interop.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA05634; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 02:40:15 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 02:40:14 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Davis To: rem-conf@es.net, mbone@es.net, mbone@sprintlink.net, noc@sprintlink.net cc: mbone@alternet.net Subject: URGENT MBONE TUNNEL NEEDED Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We are placing an event on the mbone Monday (today) and just found out that our route to my mrouter at Interop is an extreme number of hops away, 19 (ninteen) to be exact! We are are seeking an urgent tunnel to someone close to/in the LA area. Our service provider is SprintLink (a sponsor of the event). Details regarding the event are at http://www.iuma.com/HOB/ This event is a Martin Luther King Celebration. 500 school children in the LA area will be present at the event (which is at the House of Blues building, and sponsored by the House of Blues Foundation, and others). In the evening live entertainment and dinner will be provided. Anyone in the LA area who can provide us with a solid tunnel can get into the daytime/evening/dinner events. If you are NOT in the LA area we can gladly get you in for dinner some day if you are ever in LA. Thank You Eric Davis IUMA Network Roadie ericd@interop.net From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 16 14:23:19 1995 Received: from tiny.sprintlink.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <07861-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:22:39 +0000 Received: (from insc@localhost) by tiny.sprintlink.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA00665; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:22:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:22:32 -0500 (EST) From: INSC Subject: Re: URGENT MBONE TUNNEL NEEDED To: Eric Davis cc: rem-conf@es.net, mbone@es.net, mbone@sprintlink.net, noc@sprintlink.net, mbone@alternet.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just spoke to Rich. He is making update as I write this. -Tawfiq/insc. On Mon, 16 Jan 1995, Eric Davis wrote: > > We are placing an event on the mbone Monday (today) and just found out that > our route to my mrouter at Interop is an extreme number of hops away, > 19 (ninteen) to be exact! > > We are are seeking an urgent tunnel to someone close to/in the LA area. > > Our service provider is SprintLink (a sponsor of the event). > > Details regarding the event are at http://www.iuma.com/HOB/ > This event is a Martin Luther King Celebration. 500 school children in the > LA area will be present at the event (which is at the House of Blues > building, and sponsored by the House of Blues Foundation, and others). In > the evening live entertainment and dinner will be provided. > > Anyone in the LA area who can provide us with a solid tunnel can get into > the daytime/evening/dinner events. > > If you are NOT in the LA area we can gladly get you in for dinner > some day if you are ever in LA. > > Thank You > > Eric Davis > IUMA Network Roadie > ericd@interop.net > From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 17 10:03:43 1995 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <15419-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 17 Jan 1995 07:03:03 +0000 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA13527; Tue, 17 Jan 1995 09:59:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 09:59:51 -0500 From: Dboomstein@aol.com Message-Id: <950117095950_3942704@aol.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: MBONE Help My company is producing our annual business TV (BTV) videoconference on teleconferencing to air January 25th (see agenda below). We are looking for assistance in broadcasting it over the MBONE. When we did this last year people who normally could not receive the broadcast in places like the University of Hawaii got it. Details are as follows: Tite: TeleCon Update Date: 1/25/95 1-3pm ET Satellite: SBS 6 (Ku band), transponder 14, downlink freq 12043.5 Duration: 2 hours Agenda: see below If you can help please contact Paul Bocks at 1-800-815-3400 Thanks for your help. Session Agenda: - Excerpts from teleconferecnign and desktop conferencing industry keynote speeches from TeleCon XIV including: - Steve Fogelgren - SVP, Management Recruiters Intl. - Pat Gelsinger - General Manager, Desktop link with Andy Grove - Linda Roberts - Asst Sec for Technology, US Dept of Ed - Dr. Inabeth Miller, 1995 Chairman of the Board, US distance Learning Assoc. - Desktop Conferencing Standards - Dick Shaphorst - Delta Info Systems - official US Representative to ITU - H.320 - Neil Starky - CTO Databeam Corp, President International Multimedia consortium - John Walsh - EVP Compression Labs, Inc. Core Member Pc Working Group (PVWG) - U.S. Distance Learning Association Plans for 1995 - USDLA President Don Foshee on 1995 - Renee wilmeth on USDLA's new Internet node - Business Television - Paul Bocks, President ET3 - on ET3 new educational programs From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 17 13:44:44 1995 Received: from uu10.psi.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <17547-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 17 Jan 1995 10:43:21 +0000 Received: by uu10.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA00237 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 95 13:30:06 -0500 Received: from shark.insoft.com by insoft2.insoft.com (4.1/RHP-1.0) id AA01398; Tue, 17 Jan 95 13:27:52 EST Received: by shark.insoft.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA06155; Tue, 17 Jan 1995 13:26:15 +0500 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 13:26:15 +0500 From: shieh@insoft2.insoft.com (Paul Shieh) Message-Id: <9501171826.AA06155@shark.insoft.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: SUBSCRIBE X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 10 SUBSCRIBE From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 18 08:32:50 1995 Received: from charon.cwi.nl by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <27015-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 05:32:12 +0000 Received: from schelvis.cwi.nl by charon.cwi.nl with SMTP id ; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:31:41 +0100 Received: by schelvis.cwi.nl with SMTP id ; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:31:41 +0100 Message-Id: <9501181331.AA02907=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: roelofs@cwi.nl Subject: Broadcast of OpenMath workshop, Feb 9-10 Organisation: Multi-media group, CWI, Kruislaan 413, Amsterdam Phone: +31 20 5924098(work), +31 20 5924199 (fax), +31 20 6160335(home) X-Last-Band-Seen: Ex (Arena, 12-12) X-Mini-Review: Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant!!! Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:31:40 +0100 From: Jack Jansen We're planning to broadcast the OpenMath workshop, a workshop on a mathematical communication protocol, on February 9 and 10, 1000-1700 hours GMT-1. Since some of the people in the US who want to watch this event I'd like to hear of conflicts as soon as possible, so we can tell them that they needn't bother getting the tunnels (and possibly lines) in place. -- Jack Jansen | If I can't dance I don't want to be part of Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl | your revolution -- Emma Goldman uunet!cwi.nl!jack G=Jack;S=Jansen;O=cwi;PRMD=surf;ADMD=400net;C=nl From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 18 09:58:04 1995 Received: from faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <27604-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 06:57:14 +0000 Received: from faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de by uni-erlangen.de with SMTP; id AA01739 (5.65c-6/7.3w-FAU); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 15:57:07 +0100 Received: from faui45r.informatik.uni-erlangen.de by immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de with SMTP; id AA05011 (5.65c-6/7.3m-FAU); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 15:57:05 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert Message-Id: <199501181457.AA05011@faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Subject: looking for videoconference camera To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 15:56:58 +0100 (MET) Organisation: CSD IMMD IV, University of Erlangen, Germany X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I'm wondering if someone could suggest some good camera to be used with Videoconferences on workstations to me. My experiences so far (meaning i've found no ideal camera) are: - Flexcam videocameras from videolabs: They are very good to handle and the price is right (i.e.: in germany about 1200 DM, should be something like 600-800 $ i guess), but: - Focus has to be tuned by hand which is rather difficult if the videoconference uses a low resolution. - The picture has got a fish-eye look (if that's the right word) which is especially bad - because it causes distortions in the picture - if one is taking pictures of documents. There is a document flexcam, but it is too expensive in germany. - The automatic brightness doesn't work very well so we often get the effect that the picture gets brighter or darker over a period of only 2 to 3 seconds. This seems to be some kind of loop with the artifical lightening of the room but it's already a PAL Flexcam so this shouldn't happen (i've noticed it with a NTSC flexcam i had and thought it to be a problem of 50 Hz room lightening lig vs. 60 Hz picture rate) - Home Video 8 VCR cameras. These cameras do have autofocus and one can get them in a good pricerange too (i.e.: 1200 DM), their drawbacks are: - difficult to handle, many small buttons that have to be touched and can often not be controlled from a distance. - They sometimes have the annoying feature to switch themselves off when no casette is inserted. - As good prices for these cameras can only be achieved when buying special offers, you end up with a nasty variety of different camera types with all different features and handling instructions. - big and ugly. - Difficult to position on object, needs separate camera foot and getting pictures from documents on the table needs a lot of bending. - Canon VC-C1 Except for using with documents on the table this is the ideal camera, but it's to expensive to buy it for all offices (about 3000 DM in germany). So what i think i'm looking for is something that looks like the Flexcam or something similar easy to handle but which has got an autofocus. It shouldn't be much more expensive then the Flexcam (or i'd go for the VC-C1) and it doesn't need a microphone built in. Any ideas ? -- Toerless Eckert Universitaet Erlangen Nuernberg Lehrstuhl fuer Betriebsysteme Martensstrasse 1 D-91058 Erlangen, Germany Tel.: +49 9131 85 7278 FAX: +49 9131 85 8732 / +49 9131 39388 Toerless.Eckert@Informatik.Uni-Erlangen.DE /C=De/A=D400/P=Uni-Erlangen/OU=Informatik/S=Eckert/G=Toerless/ From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 18 12:30:41 1995 Received: from nuku.nosc.mil by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <29267-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 09:29:50 +0000 Received: from neko by nuku.nosc.mil (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA04684; Wed, 18 Jan 95 09:29:44 -0800 Received: by neko.nosc.mil (NX5.67e/NX3.0S) id AA03774; Wed, 18 Jan 95 09:29:42 -0800 Message-Id: <9501181729.AA03774@neko.nosc.mil> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v116.1) Original-Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.116.1) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line From: Ron Broersma Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 09:29:34 -0800 To: mbone@ISI.EDU, rem-conf@es.net Subject: IP Multicast for 4.1.4? Cc: cooper@nuku.nosc.mil Reply-To: ron@nuku.nosc.mil Does anyone know if the multicast 3.3 release (ipmulti3.3-sunos413x.tar.Z) will drop into a SunOS 4.1.4 kernel? And work? We are about to attempt this but would like to be warned right away if there is a problem with this, so we don't waste time and effort on it. Thanks, --Ron From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 18 12:34:45 1995 Received: from ceres.fokus.gmd.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <29348-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 09:33:58 +0000 Received: from ursa.fokus.gmd.de by ceres.fokus.gmd.de with SMTP (PP-ICR1v5); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 18:31:31 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: Toerless Eckert cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: looking for videoconference camera In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Jan 95 15:56:58 +0100." <199501181457.AA05011@faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 18:31:55 +0100 From: Henning Schulzrinne I just bought a few Toshiba cameras, size of a large deck of cards. Cost: $300 (I bought them from a U.S. supplier, who actually managed to equip them with a German power supply, but still NTSC). They are exactly the same as the Sun Camera (these are rather more expensive in Germany). Their resolution is not Hi-8; they have a fix-focus lens, but work o.k. They have a swiveling stand that rests precariously on top of the monitor, if you like a the large-balding-forehead view or your desk, for the double-chin emphasis. No buttons, no switches, no microphone. Henning From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 18 12:41:53 1995 Received: from faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <29439-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 09:40:19 +0000 Received: from faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de by uni-erlangen.de with SMTP; id AA10096 (5.65c-6/7.3w-FAU); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 18:37:54 +0100 Received: from faui45r.informatik.uni-erlangen.de by immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de with SMTP; id AA11270 (5.65c-6/7.3m-FAU); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 18:37:52 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert Message-Id: <199501181737.AA11270@faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Subject: Re: looking for videoconference camera To: schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de (Henning Schulzrinne) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 18:37:47 +0100 (MET) Cc: Toerless.Eckert@informatik.uni-erlangen.de, rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <199501181733.AA09986@faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> from "Henning Schulzrinne" at Jan 18, 95 06:31:55 pm Organisation: CSD IMMD IV, University of Erlangen, Germany X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I just bought a few Toshiba cameras, size of a large deck of cards. > Cost: $300 (I bought them from a U.S. supplier, who actually managed > to equip them with a German power supply, but still NTSC). They are > exactly the same as the Sun Camera (these are rather more expensive > in Germany). Their resolution is not Hi-8; they have a fix-focus > lens, but work o.k. They have a swiveling stand that rests precariously > on top of the monitor, if you like a the large-balding-forehead view > or your desk, for the double-chin emphasis. No buttons, no switches, > no microphone. Thanks, i got one of these too (from sun). Found out lately too that they are >from toshiba. From our experience the model we got has very bad color, i.e.: everything looked greenish. The fix-fokus lens give you even more of the fish-eye effect, so i really hate that camera. Only plus: the case is really cute, but you have to put it on top of your monitor. It's a sony camera module inside, by the way... Toerless From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 18 13:28:07 1995 Received: from ceres.fokus.gmd.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <29934-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:26:07 +0000 Received: from ursa.fokus.gmd.de by ceres.fokus.gmd.de with SMTP (PP-ICR1v5); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 19:09:36 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: cellular@dfv.rwth-aachen.de, tccc@cs.umass.edu, perform@tay1.dec.com, end2end-interest@isi.edu, ietf@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net, announcements.chi@xerox.com, arl@arl1.wustl.edu, atm@bbn.com, cip@bbn.com, cnom@maestro.bellcore.com, ccrc@dworkin.wustl.edu, enternet-ec@bbn.com, enternet@bbn.com, f-troup@aurora.cis.upenn.edu, g-troup@dworkin.wustl.edu, globecom@signet.com.sg, hipparch@sophia.inria.fr, icad-request@santafe.edu, iplpdn@cnri.reston.va.us, sig11@roses.stanford.edu, sigmedia@bellcore.com, smds@cnri.reston.va.us, sound@acm.org, tcplw@cray.com, tf-mm@i4serv.informatik.rwth-aachen.de, uist.chi@xerox.com, xtp-relay@cs.concordia.ca Subject: Infocom'95 Conference Program and Registration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 19:09:30 +0100 From: Henning Schulzrinne Infocom'95 --- Bringing Information to People Information about Infocom'95, the Fourteenth Annual Joint Conference of the IEEE Computer and Communications Societies is available through the World Wide Web at http://www.research.att.com/~hgs/infocom95/program.html Infocom'95 takes place in Boston, April 2 - 6, 1995. Roughly 160 papers selected from 450 submissions will be presented, as well as panels on satellite communication and resource reservations. The keynote speaker will be Sandy Fraser, AT&T, with a historical perspective on the information revolution. The conference opens with tutorials on integrated service high speed networks (Robert Gallager), broadband networks and ATM (Anthony Acampora), protocol design (Dave Clark), wireless personal communications (David Goodman), and the World Wide Web (David Tennenhouse and others). ---- Henning Schulzrinne email: hgs@fokus.gmd.de GMD-Fokus phone: +49 30 25499 182 Hardenbergplatz 2 fax: +49 30 25499 202 D-10623 Berlin WWW: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/htbin/info/minos/hgs From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 18 14:03:27 1995 Received: from VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <00822-0@osi-east.es.net>; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:02:54 +0000 Received: from LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu by vixen.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id OAA09948; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:00:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199501181900.OAA09948@vixen.cs.utk.edu> To: ron@nuku.nosc.mil cc: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Reply-To: ron@nuku.nosc.mil Subject: Re: IP Multicast for 4.1.4? In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 18 Jan 1995 09:29:34 -0800. <9501181729.AA03774@neko.nosc.mil> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:59:27 -0500 From: Judi Theg Talley You spoke thusly: > Does anyone know if the multicast 3.3 release (ipmulti3.3-sunos413x.tar.Z) will > drop into a SunOS 4.1.4 kernel? And work? > > We are about to attempt this but would like to be warned right away if there is > a problem with this, so we don't waste time and effort on it. > > Thanks, > > --Ron We installed this on a SS5 running 4.1.4 and everything seems to be fine. No crashes yet... (It's not an mrouter, tho.) Reception is fine, including audio. Just dropped in and ran. 'Course, it's been only a week. Enjoy! Judi --- Judi Theg Talley There are no good system administrators, merely temporarily satisfied users. --Tim Martin, UT Sys Admin From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 18 14:37:46 1995 Received: from ftp.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <00646-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:36:26 +0000 Received: from ftp.com by ftp.com ; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:36:08 -0500 Received: from mailserv-D.ftp.com by ftp.com ; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:36:08 -0500 Received: by mailserv-D.ftp.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA15753; Wed, 18 Jan 95 14:34:50 EST Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 14:34:50 EST Message-Id: <9501181934.AA15753@mailserv-D.ftp.com> To: video@research.ftp.com Subject: PC/Windows Video Tool From: video@research.ftp.com Reply-To: video@research.ftp.com Content-Length: 1444 We at FTP Software have been doing research on a simple network-video tool for Windows. This tool does relatively simple network video transmission and reception. It works in both a "multicast" mode (similar to NV) and a unicast "request/response" mode. The tool can both send and receive video. It will receive on any PC. It can send only if you have a video source (such as a camera or VCR) and video capture card. The software requires a Winsock-compatible network stack. It has been tested on our PC/TCP stack and the Trumpet stack. The tool is available for anonymous ftp from FTP.FTP.COM in /support/pub/windows/ftpvideo.exe. It is a self-extracting DOS pkzip archive containing the all needed distribution files plus a readme. Some other things: - It is NOT compatible with NV, VIC, or CUSeeMe. - Source is NOT available. - It is NOT in the public domain, though it is freely available. - It is NOT indicative of any product plans that FTP Software has. - It is NOT avilable on other platforms (eg Unix, VMS). (Though some people are working on some unix implementations.) - It is provided AS IS, with no guarantees. Please send any comments, questions, complaints, complements, flames, etc to video@research.ftp.com -- Frank Kastenholz "The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present... As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew" - A. Lincoln From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 18 16:37:05 1995 Received: from inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <02014-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:35:41 +0000 Received: from bitski.pa.dec.com by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com (5.65/10Aug94) id AA29488; Wed, 18 Jan 95 13:20:55 -0800 Received: by bitski.pa.dec.com; id AA25887; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:20:40 -0800 Message-Id: <9501182120.AA25887@bitski.pa.dec.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: redell@pa.dec.com Subject: Re: looking for videoconference camera In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 18 Jan 1995 15:56:58 +0100 (MET) from Toerless.Eckert@Informatik.Uni-Erlangen.de (Toerless Eckert) <199501181457.AA05011@faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 13:20:40 -0800 From: redell@pa.dec.com X-Mts: smtp We've had good luck with the Sharp C02NVC01. It's small, produces good video, and has one control (contrast) that seems to do a good job of adapting to variable office lighting conditions. It is fixed focus, which is both a bug and a feature. I don't recall how much it costs, but it is designed for desktop teleconferencing so it must be competitive. We've had several of these for 1-2 years, so they may have introduced something even more wonderful by now. Hitachi is also working on some good camera technology, including ultra small cameras, digital video-out, and electronic pan/zoom. I've seen only prototypes, so I'm not sure exactly what's really for sale at this point, but they are worth talking to. Dave Redell redell@pa.dec.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 18 17:00:11 1995 Received: from koriel.Sun.COM by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <02175-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:59:03 +0000 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA08127; Wed, 18 Jan 95 13:57:58 PST Received: from jadeite.eng.sun.com (jadeite-95) by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1(1/24/94)/SMI-4.1) id AA04877; Wed, 18 Jan 95 13:57:14 PST Received: from amber.eng.sun.com by jadeite.eng.sun.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07092; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:57:43 +0800 Received: by amber.eng.sun.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11100; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:57:13 -0800 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:57:13 -0800 From: hoffman@jadeite.Eng.Sun.COM (Don Hoffman) Message-Id: <9501182157.AA11100@amber.eng.sun.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: MBONE broadcast - Sunergy #12 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 14696 The periodic Sunergy broadcast will be multicast to the MBONE on 1/24/95, 11:30am - 1:00pm EST. Check your local sd listing for the assigned address and media format. The guest bios not included in this announcement, will be posted on the Sunergy WWW pages [http://www.sun.com/sunergy/] as they become available. While there, please also take a look at the recap of the Sunergy 11 Broadcast which aired November 16, 1994, entitled "Reengineering the Enterprise". A full transcript of this broadcast is also available there. This information is also available at the Sun ftp site: ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/sun-info/sunergy/broadcast_docs/nov_94. Don Hoffman email - don.hoffman@eng.sun.com, phone - +415 786 6370, fax - +415 786 6445 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- SUNERGY LIVE, INTERACTIVE, SATELLITE BROADCAST Live from ComNet '95 in Washington DC Sunergy #12 January 24, 1995 11:30 am - 1:00 pm (Eastern Standard Time) In a continuation of Sunergy's "Roadmap to the Information Superhighway" series*, Sunergy presents... "WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL: EQUALITY AND ACCESS ON THE INFORMATION HIGHWAY" The Telecommunications Act of 1934 requires universal access to communications media. As the internet grows to become the Global Information Infrastructure, will access for diverse constituencies be assured, or will we create competing classes of information "haves" and "have nots"? Is ubiquitous access, in and of itself, a policy matter, or can it be designed into the technology? The biggest problem in defining access is that nobody knows what the essence of the infobahn will be. Even if we did know, which infobahn services would we consider essential? Operating on the assumption that the GII will be central to the way we work, learn and communicate, it is clear that we need to talk about how technologies, market forces, and policies can intersect to create widely accessible information highway onramps. In order to define the terms and the turf, we have invited the following guests to participate in Sunergy 12: JOHN GAGE (Host), Director of the Science Office, Sun Microsystems Computer Company WENDELL BAILEY, Vice President of Technology, National Cable Television Association ROBERT KAHN, President, Corporation for National Research Initiatives (CNRI) THOMAS KALIL, National Economic Council, The White House DEBORAH KAPLAN, Vice President, World Institute on Disability CARL MALAMUD, President, Internet Multicasting Service MARSHALL ROSE, Principal, First Virtual Holdings Incorporated ERIC SCHMIDT, Chief Technology Officer, Corporate Executive Officer, Sun Microsystems, Inc. This show will be broadcast to North America, South America, Europe and Africa. The SATELLITE COORDINATES for this broadcast are currently available on the World Wide Web at http://www.sun.com/sunergy/ or by emailing a request to sunergy@sun.com. This broadcast will be carried on the Multicast BackBONE (MBONE) around the world. Information on MBONE is available on the WWW at http://www.eit.com/techinfo/mbone/mbone.html. Sunergy broadcasts are closed-captioned for the hearing impaired. [ *Other Sunergy broadcasts in the "Roadmap to the Information Superhighway" series are: "Cyberjockeying in the 21st Century" "Global Information Infrastructure" "Creativity in the Digital Domain" Information on these and other past Sunergy broadcasts is available from the Sunergy office: sunergy@sun.com +1-415/336-5847 or on the World Wide Web at: http://www.sun.com/sunergy/ ] ########################## GUEST BIOGRAPHIES ######################## JOHN GAGE (Host) Director, Science office Sun Microsystems John Gage is responsible for Sun's relationships with the world scientific and public policy communities, international scientific institutions and groups developing new forms of scientific research involving computing. He is on scientific and advisory panels of the United States National Science Foundation, the US Congress Office of Technology Assessment, the European Institute of Technology and the United States National Academy of Sciences. He has recently been appointed to the US National Research Council Mathematical Sciences Education Board. He is a member of ACM, IEEE, SIAM, AMS, AAAS, and SMPTE. He attended the Harvard Business School and the Harvard Graduate School of Public Policy. He did doctoral work in economics and mathematics at the University of Berkeley at the same time as Bill Joy. Gage subsequently left Berkeley with Joy to start Sun in 1982. Gage is on the Board of Directors of Unicode, an industry consortium of IBM, Microsoft, Apple, Novell, and others to provide multilingual capability in all world scripts for all documents and applications. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WENDELL BAILEY Vice President for Science & Technology National Cable Television Association Wendell Bailey is the vice president for science and technology of the National Cable Television Association. Before joining the NCTA in April 1981, Mr. Bailey was with M.C.I. for eight years. At M.C.I. he served in several technical and management positions including manager of engineering, the position he held for the last five years. Prior to M.C.I., Mr. Bailey worked for seven years as a communications craftsman in the Long Lines department of AT&T. Mr. Bailey is a graduate of the University of Maryland. He is a member of the Society of Cable Television Engineers and serves as the chariman of the SCTE panel on Professionalism and Management. He is also a member of the American Radio Relay League and is a licensed private pilot. Mr. Bailey currently serves as chairman of the NCTA High Definition Television Technical Advisory Group; Vice-Chairman of the Planning Subcommittee of the Federal Communications Commission's Advisory Committee on Advanced Television Service; and Co-Chairman of the NCTA Blue Ribbon Panel on High Definition Television. In addition to being an author, he is a frequent speaker and lecturer on technology and management. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ROBERT E. KAHN President Corporation for National Research Initiatives (CNRI) Robert E. Kahn is President of the Corporation for National Research Initiatives (CNRI), which he founded in 1986 after a thirteen year term at the Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA). CNRI was created as a not-for-profit organization to provide leadership and funding for research and development of the national information infrastructure. After receiving a B.E.E. from the City College of New York in 1960, Dr. Kahn earned M.A. and Ph.D. degrees from Princeton University in 1962 and 1964 respectively. He worked on the Technical Staff at Bell Laboratories and then became an Assistant Professor of Electrical Engineering at MIT. He took a leave of absence from MIT to join Bolt Beranek and Newman, where he was responsible for the design and development of the Arpanet, the first packet-switched network. In 1972 he moved to ARPA, subsequently became Director of ARPA's Information Processing Techniques Office (IPTO) and initiated the United States government's billion dollar Strategic Computing Program, the largest computer research and development program ever undertaken by the federal government. Dr. Kahn is a member of the National Academy of Engineering and a former member of its Computer Science and Technology Board, a member of the Board of Regents of the National Library of Medicine, A fellow of the IEEE, a Fellow of AAAI, a recipient of the AFIPS Harry Goode Memorial Award, the Marconi Award, the ACM SIGCOM Award, the President's Award from ACM, the IEEE Koji Kobayashi Computer and Communications Award, the ACM Software Systems Award, the ASIS Special Award and the Public Service Award from the Computing Research Board; he was twice the recipient of the Secretary of Defense Meritorious Civilian Service Award. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THOMAS KALIL National Economic Council The White House (bio not yet received) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DEBORAH KAPLAN Director, Division on Technology Policy World Institute on Disability Ms. Kaplan holds a law degree from Boalt Hall Law School in Berkeley, California. She is Vice-President of the World Institute on Disability, where she oversees agency-wide program management, represents the agency in public forums and before other organizations, and participates in planning and development. She is also the Director of the Division on Technology Policy, for which she oversees policy projects that bring together leaders of national disability groups with representatives of the telecommunications industry to educate each other and find common goals. Under her direction, The World Institute on Disability has initiated WIDNet, a national computer-based bulletin board and database service on disability policy. She has also performed work for the National Council on Disability to examine funding for assistive technology. Ms. Kaplan is a member of the Clinton Administration's Advisory Council for the National Information Infrastructure. She is Treasurer and a Co-Founder of the Alliance for Public Technology, which has the mission of promoting the benefits of the Information Age for all segments of society. She is a member of the Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law of the American Bar Association, and she is President of the Board of the Oakland-based Center for Urban Family Life. In addition, she is an advisor to the California Center for the Environment and the Economy in planning for conferences on telecommunications policy. In 1985, she became a member of Pacific Bell's Intelligent Network Task Force. In 1990, the California P.U.C. appointed her to the Administrative Committee of California's Deaf and Disabled Telecommunications Program, which she served on until 1994. She is a past member of Pacific Bell's Telecommunications Advisory Panel (TCAP), which she chaired in 1992. Ms. Kaplan is a past member of the National Governing Board of Common Cause and the Civil Justice Foundation. She founded the Disability Rights Center in Washington, D.C. in 1976 and served as its executive director for four years. She returned to California in 1980 where she worked as Staff Attorney for the Disability Rights Education and Defense Fund. She also served as Chairperson of the California State Council on Developmental Disabilities during that time. The World Institute on Disability is a research, training and policy development center that is led by persons with disabilities. Its work focuses on significant issues in public policy that have potential to contribute towards a vision of a world in which all people with disabilities exert control over their lives. WID was founded ten years ago by leaders from the disability rights and independent living movements; it has grown into an internationally recognized organization that has a reputation for leadership, innovation and quality work. In the area of technology policy, WID has a goal of empowering people with disabilities to determine where research and development efforts should be directed, what product design criteria should be followed, what needs should be met, and how best to get useful technology into their own lives. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CARL MALAMUD President Internet Multicasting Service Carl Malamud is the author of seven professional reference books including STACKS (Prentice Hall), Analyzing Sun Networks (Van Nostrand Reinhold), and Exploring the Internet: A Technical Travelogue (Prentice Hall). Currently, Carl is producing the Internet Town Hall and Internet Talk Radio series for the Internet Multicasting Service and conducts research on integration of telephone systems into the Internet. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DR. MARSHALL ROSE Principal First Virtual Holdings Incorporated Marshall lives with internetworking technologies, such as TCP/IP, network management, and Internet commerce, as a theorist, implementor, and agent provocateur. He is the IETF's Area Director for Network Management, one of a dozen individuals who oversee the Internet's standardization process and is the author of several professional texts -- on Internet Management, Electronic Mail, Open Systems Interconnection, and Directory Services. He received the Ph.D. degree in Information and Computer Science from the University of California, Irvine, in 1984. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DR. ERIC E. SCHMIDT Chief Technology Officer Corporate Executive Officer Sun Microsystems, Inc. In his role as Chief Technology Officer, Dr. Eric Schmidt is responsible for coordinating all aspects of Sun's core and emerging technologies, including SPARC microprocessors, the Solaris operating environment and networking. In this capacity, Dr. Schmidt works with engineering and technology groups within Sun to maintain Sun's technological edge in computer and networking technology. Dr. Schmidt also examines emerging areas such as interactive multimedia and broad-band networks. Previously, Dr. Schmidt headed Sun Technology Enterprises (STE), a division of Sun Microsystems, Inc., that includes SunConnect, which handles network connectivity and network management products; SunPics, for printing and imaging products; SunPro, for software developer tools; SunSelect, for products that integrate UNIX with personal computers; and SunSolutions, for distributed workgroup applications. Dr. Schmidt joined Sun in June 1983 as manager of software and moved to director of software engineering before his appointment as vice president and general manager of the Software Products Division in May 1985. He was promoted to vice president of the General Systems Group in May 1988, president of STE in February 1991 and assumed his current position in February 1994. Prior to joining Sun, Dr. Schmidt was a member of the research staff at the Computer Science Lab at Xerox Palo Alto Research Center (PARC), where he developed release tools for the Cedar programming environment project. He also held positions at Bell Laboratories and Zilog. Dr. Schmidt has a B.S. in electrical engineering from Princeton University, and an M.S. in electrical engineering and a Ph.D. in computer science from the University of California at Berkeley. ################################################################# From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 19 00:02:01 1995 Received: from koriel.Sun.COM by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <05913-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 21:01:26 +0000 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA27577; Wed, 18 Jan 95 21:01:14 PST Received: from auckland.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1(1/24/94)/SMI-4.1) id AA12275; Wed, 18 Jan 95 21:01:13 PST Received: by auckland.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08474; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 21:00:30 -0800 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 21:00:30 -0800 From: Ross.Finlayson@Eng.Sun.COM (Ross Finlayson) Message-Id: <9501190500.AA08474@auckland.Eng.Sun.COM> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: lecture/conference mode (was Re: House and Senate Quality) Cc: simon@internode.com.au Reply-To: finlayson@Eng.Sun.COM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > Did you run your vat in "lecture" mode? With the longer playout > duration I would expect vat to be able to do a better job of > re-ordering slightly late packets. Comparing lecture and conference > mode during a period of "bad sounding stuff" would be most > instructive, if you could do that... This reminds me - Here's a suggestion for future versions of "vat" (or similar applications): Allow the application to guess the "lecture mode"/"conference mode" switch dynamically, rather than making the user set this switch himself (which is a pain). I.e., use a heuristic like: "If the source node hasn't changed in x minutes, then assume lecture mode, otherwise assume conference mode". I suggest changing the "mode" switch so that it has three settings: (i) "conference mode" (i.e., set manually), (ii) "lecture mode" (i.e., set manually), and (iii) "dynamic" (i.e., set automatically) - the default. Ross. From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 19 03:43:09 1995 Received: from ceres.fokus.gmd.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <07542-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 00:42:26 +0000 Received: from ursa.fokus.gmd.de by ceres.fokus.gmd.de with SMTP (PP-ICR1v5); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:34:17 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: cellular@dfv.rwth-aachen.de, tccc@cs.umass.edu, perform@tay1.dec.com, end2end-interest@isi.edu, ietf@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net, announcements.chi@xerox.com, arl@arl1.wustl.edu, atm@bbn.com, cip@bbn.com, cnom@maestro.bellcore.com, ccrc@dworkin.wustl.edu, enternet-ec@bbn.com, enternet@bbn.com, f-troup@aurora.cis.upenn.edu, g-troup@dworkin.wustl.edu, globecom@signet.com.sg, hipparch@sophia.inria.fr, icad-request@santafe.edu, iplpdn@cnri.reston.va.us, sig11@roses.stanford.edu, sigmedia@bellcore.com, smds@cnri.reston.va.us, sound@acm.org, tcplw@cray.com, tf-mm@i4serv.informatik.rwth-aachen.de, uist.chi@xerox.com, xtp-relay@cs.concordia.ca From: Henning Schulzrinne Subject: Infocom'95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 09:34:33 +0100 Sender: schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de help From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 19 11:55:19 1995 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <11044-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 08:54:31 +0000 Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (atqm.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.1]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA10735; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:21:51 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 19 Jan 1995 09:11:26 U From: Sandy McCrady Subject: RE- client/server image sof To: announcements.chi@xerox.com, arl@arl1.wustl.edu, atm@BBN.COM, ccrc@dworkin.wustl.edu, cellular@dfv.rwth-aachen.de, cip@BBN.COM, cnom@maestro.bellcore.com, end2end-interest@isi.edu, enternet-ec@BBN.COM, enternet@BBN.COM, f-troup@aurora.cis.upenn.edu, g-troup@dworkin.wustl.edu, globecom@signet.com.sg, Henning Schulzrinne , hipparch@sophia.inria.fr, icad-request@santafe.edu, ietf@isi.edu, iplpdn@cnri.reston.va.us, perform@tay1.dec.com, rem-conf@es.net, sig11@roses.stanford.edu, sigmedia@bellcore.com, smds@cnri.reston.va.us, sound@acm.org, tccc@cs.umass.edu, tcplw@cray.com, "tf-mm@i4serv.informatik.rwth-aa" , uist.chi@xerox.com, xtp-relay@cs.concordia.ca X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Reply to: RE: client/server image software Anyone know any good client/server (UNIX) existing software or something that could easily be modified that does image/rastor/TIF manipulation (view/zoom, pan, move around on the screen, print). Need some sort of button/menu control so it can talk on the back end to a pgm that talks to an ORACLE data base. (Windows should be MOTIF and maybe use DCE/Encina.) Any good ideas? From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 19 12:36:12 1995 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <11565-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:35:15 +0000 Received: from opera.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.4/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA04561; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:31:00 -0800 Received: from localhost by opera.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.8/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA17451; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:30:00 -0800 Message-Id: <9501191730.AA17451@opera.hpl.hp.com> To: cellular@dfv.rwth-aachen.de, tccc@cs.umass.edu, perform@tay1.dec.com, end2end-interest@isi.edu, ietf@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net, announcements.chi@xerox.com, arl@arl1.wustl.edu, atm@bbn.com, cip@bbn.com, cnom@maestro.bellcore.com, ccrc@dworkin.wustl.edu, enternet-ec@bbn.com, enternet@bbn.com, f-troup@aurora.cis.upenn.edu, g-troup@dworkin.wustl.edu, globecom@signet.com.sg, hipparch@sophia.inria.fr, icad-request@santafe.edu, iplpdn@cnri.reston.va.us, sig11@roses.stanford.edu, sigmedia@bellcore.com, smds@cnri.reston.va.us, sound@acm.org, tcplw@cray.com, tf-mm@i4serv.informatik.rwth-aachen.de, uist.chi@xerox.com, xtp-relay@cs.concordia.ca Cc: pitt@hplms26.hpl.hp.com, burak@fokus.gmd.de, ofek@watson.ibm.com Subject: 7th IEEE LAN/MAN Workshop Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 09:29:59 -0800 From: Daniel Pitt The deadline is approaching for registration for the 7th IEEE Workshop on Local and Metropolitan Area Networks, to be held in the Florida Keys March 26-29. Highlights include: - a rapid-fire technical program of short, pointed talks - a great keynote speaker, whose wit and insight leave a lasting impression - an intimate setting conducive to lots of discussion - unprecedented worldwide participation - a fabulous location. Found below are the Workshop announcement, the program, and the registration materials. You are urged to act immediately; attendance is limited. ============================================================================ Seventh IEEE Workshop on Local and Metropolitan Area Networks March 26-29, 1995 Hawk's Cay Resort and Marina Marathon, Florida Sponsored by the IEEE Communications Society Local and metropolitan area networks are currently the forging place for new network technologies, broadband services, and multimedia applications. The purpose of the present workshop is to examine the new local ATM technologies, cable and other public multimedia delivery systems, various networking architectures, and the provisioning of networks for the support of broadband multimedia services for businesses and homes. A main theme of this year's Workshop is public and private ATM networks: differences and seams. A prominent feature of this Workshop is its emphasis on short, pointed presentations with ample opportunities for debate and discussion. Controversy is encouraged. Attendance is very limited, so early registration is strongly advised. The Workshop will be held a week before IEEE INFOCOM'95 which will be in Boston from April 2 to 6, 1995. The Workshop will begin with an evening reception on March 26. Technical sessions will begin Monday morning March 27 and conclude around lunchtime on March 29. The program and registration forms follow below. Workshop Committee ------------------ Chair: Yoram Ofek (IBM Watson Research) e-mail: ofek@watson.ibm.com phone: 1-914-784-7085 fax: 1-914-784-6205 Program co-chairs: Daniel Pitt (Hewlett-Packard Laboratories) Markus Burak (GMD FOKUS) Committee: Anthony Acampora (Columbia University) Andres Albanese (ICSI) Joseph Bannister (The Aerospace Corporation) James Field (University of Waterloo) Luigi Fratta (Politecnico di Milano) Mario Gerla (UCLA) Wolfram Lemppenau (IBM Zurich Research) Luciano Lenzini (CNR-CNUCE) Gottfried Luderer (Arizona State University) Fabio Neri (Politecnico di Torino) Allyn Romanow (Sun Microsystems) Izhak Rubin (UCLA) David Skellern (Macquarie University, Sydney) Tatsuya Suda (University of California, Irvine) Csaba Szabo (Technical University of Budapest) Yutaka Takahashi (Kyoto University) Nguyen Tat (MATRA) Fouad Tobagi (Stanford University) Terry Todd (McMaster University) Pitro Zafiropulo (IBM Zurich Research) ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7th IEEE LAN/MAN Workshop Program Keynote Speaker --------------- Howard Salwen, Chairman, Proteon, on how we ended up here and what comes next ---------- Session 1: Medium Access Controls -"A Full-duplex Ring with a Fairness Cycle Window," T.-J. Kim, ETRI, Korea; B.-C. Shin, Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology, Korea -"Pros and Cons of the Global Fairness Algorithms of CRMA-II," M. Ajmone-Marsan, C. Casetti, F. Neri, Politecnico di Torino, Italy -"The MetaRing MAC Protocol: Performance Evaluations in an Interconnected Environment," G. Anastasi, L. Lenzini, Universita di Pisa, Italy -"A Distributed Cycle Reset Protocol for High-Speed LAN/MAN," H.-B. Jeon, S.-H. Lee, S.-Y. Song, TNRL, Korea Telecom, Korea -"Prototype of an ATM-Based MAN for Multimedia Services," S.-M. Jiang, G. Pujolle, Universite de Versailles, France -"DQCA: A New Medium Access Control Protocol for Broadband Networks," W. Lu, Universiti Teknologi Malaysia, Malaysia ---------- Session 2: New Legacy LANs, Traffic Characterization, and Connectionless ATM -"Message Waiting Times in a LAN Using the Demand-Priority Access Method," W. Seah, Y. Takahashi, T. Hasegawa, Kyoto University, Japan -"Interactive Real-Time Communication in Shared-Medium High-Speed LANs," P. Martini, J. Ottensmeyer, Universitaet Paderborn, Germany -"Testing Bursty Traffic in an ATM Testbed," L. Cheng, H. D. Hughes, Michigan State University, USA -"On the Self-Similar Nature of the Traffic Offered to a MAN," M. Cinotti, S. Giordano, F. Romani, F. Russo, Universita di Pisa, Italy -"On Long-Range Dependence in NSFNET Traffic," S. Klivansky, A. Mukherjee, Georgia Institute of Technology, USA; C. Song, Advantis, USA -"Connectionless Traffic Service in ATM Networks," S. Subramaniam, A. Somani, University of Washington, USA -"Partial Connections Method for the Support of Ethernet Emulation over ATM," R. Brown, J. Pihlaja, Nokia, Finland; N. Kavak, Telia Research, Sweden; A. Meier, IBM, Switzerland ---------- Session 3: Multicasting and Convergence Protocols -"ACBT: A Scalable Routing Protocol for Receiver-Initiated Multicasting in ATM Networks," F.-C. Liaw, FORE Systems, USA -"Providing Protocol Support for Multimedia Broadcasting," S. Beocking, Siemens AG, Germany; R. Schatzmayr, TU-Berlin, Germany -"ATM Adaptation Layer and Group Communication Servers for High-Performance Multipoint Services," G. Carle, Universitaet Karlsruhe, Germany -"An Experimental AAL2 Protocol," D. Brooks, S. Srinidhi, Sterling Software, USA; V. Konangi, Cleveland State University, USA -"A Cooperative Protocol Stack Supporting High-Priority Traffic in an ATM Network," E. Klovning, Telenor Research, Norway -"An Object-Oriented Framework for ATM Interworking and Call Control Software," A. Scheidegger, University of Washington, USA ---------- Session 4: ATM Experience and Video Transport -"BATES - BERKOM ATM Technology Evaluation System," D. Elias, GMD-Fokus, Germany -"The Art of ATM Testing," F. Schulz, J. Micheel, M. Burak, GMD-Fokus, Germany -"Operational Experiences with Fast Packet Technologies in the Internet Environment," P. Mohta, CERFnet, USA -"Continuous Media Dissemination over ATM Networks," G. Polyzos, University of California at San Diego, USA -"Video Transmission over Lossy Packet Networks," A. Albanese, International Computer Science Institute, USA -"Analysis and Modeling of an MPEG-1 Video Source," M. Conti, E. Gregori, A. Larsson, CNR - Istituto CNUCE, Italy -"Adaptive Neural Video Compression," C. Cramer, E. Gelenbe, P. Gelenbe, M. Sungur, Duke University, USA ---------- Session 5: Traffic Management -"A Bandwidth Allocation Scheme to Support Delay Sensitive Traffic in a DQDB MAN," J. Vozmediano, Universidad de Sevilla, Spain; E. Vazquez, J. Berrocal, Universidad Politecnica de Madrid, Spain -"Scheduling and Admission Control Policies: A Case Study for DQDB and ATM," K. Steenhaut, K. Degieter, W. Brissinck, Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Belgium -"Performance Evaluation of Rate Control in ATM Networks," P. Tse, M. Zukerman, Telstra Research Laboratories, Australia -"Best-Effort Statistical Multiplexing of Delay-Tolerant Links in ATM," M. Mateescu, GMD-Fokus, Germany -"A Comparison of Per-VC Queueing and Explicit Rate Algorithms for ABR Traffic," R. Krishnan, Motorola, USA -"MULTIRING, a Possible Post-ATM Network Architecture," W. Dobosiewicz, Monmouth College, USA; P. Gburzynski, University of Alberta, Canada ---------- Session 6: Traffic Control and Quality of Service Provision -"An Adaptive Multi-Service Generic Flow Control Protocol," J. Macharia, Jomo Kenyata University, Kenya; L.-J. Yao, University of Adelaide, Australia -"Packet or Cell Loss Reduction in Networks," V. Srinivasan, E. Gelenbe, A. Ghanwani, Duke University, USA -"Provision of Time-Constrained Services in ATM Networks," G. Mercankosk, Curtin University of Technology, Australia -"QoS Management for Service Integrated Communication Systems," C. Schmidt, M. Zitterbart, Universitaet Karlsruhe, Germany -"QoS Management in a Mobile Multimedia Environment," P. Ray, S. Jha, A. Seneviratne, University of Technology-Sydney, Australia -"A Simple Method for Evaluating QoS Parameters," J.-H. Lin, J.-L. Chen, Industrial Technology Research Institute, Taiwan ROC; J. Biswas, Institute of Systems Science, Singapore. -"Architectural Factors in the Provision of Services by Broadband Customer Premises Equipment," M. Hogan, R. Keaney, E. Wilson, M. Hudson, M. Bickerstaff, D. Skellern, M. Krischer, Macquarie University, Australia ---------- Session 7: Switching Architecture -"CellBus: A Flexible Architecture for ATM LANs," D. Upp, P. Goli, TranSwitch, USA; S. Ghosh, J. Hammond, Clemson University, USA -"A Fast Algorithm for Scheduling Cells in Input-Queued Switches," N. McKeown, Stanford University, USA; J. Walrand, Univesity of California at Berkeley, USA -"A Multicasting Switch for ATM LAN/MAN," S. Shyamsukha, A. Monster, Temple University, USA -"Modular VLSI Implementation Architecture for High-Performance Communication Support," J. Schiller, M. Zitterbart, Universitaet Karlsruhe, Germany -"Performance of Multi-Channel Asymmetric Packet Switch Modules in a Bursty and Nonuniform Traffic Environment," A. Chatterjee, V. Konangi, Cleveland State University, USA -"Analysis of a Class of Telecommunication Models," H. Gail, S. Hantler, IBM, USA; A. Konheim, University of California at Santa Barbara, USA; B. Taylor, University of Michigan, USA ---------- Session 8: Network Organization -"Distributed ATM Switching System for Corporate Communication Networks," R. Hamidi, J.-P. Quinquis, CNET, France -"Virtual Networking in ATM LANs and MANs," M. Gerla, S. Fotedar, University of California at Los Angeles, USA; P. Crocetti, Italtel, Italy; L. Fratta, Politecnico di Milano, Italy -"Migrating to ATM in the Local Area," V. Friesen, J. Wong, University of Waterloo, Canada -"The Metropolitan Area Community Network," C. Venkatraman, D. Pitt, Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, USA -"A MAN Architecture based on a Meshed Network Crossconnect," T. Kuehnel, G. Luderer, Arizona State University, USA -"Ring Networks with Random Extra Links," M. Kovacevic, A. Acampora, Columbia University, USA -"Virtual Embeddings for Linearization of Arbitrary Topology Networks," B. Yener, M. Yung, IBM, USA ---------- Session 9: Optical Networking -"The Use of Wavelength-Selective Couplers in Optical Local Area Networks," T. Todd, A. Grah, O. Barkovic, McMaster University, Canada -"Optical Latency Storage - Unifying Data Communication in Space and Time," T. Pfeifer, Technische Universitaet Berlin, Germany -"A Scalable Optical Packet Switching Network Architecture," I. Chlamtac, University of Massachusetts, USA; V. Elek, C. Szabo, Technical University of Budapest, Hungary; A. Fumagalli, Politecnico di Torino, Italy -"An Adaptable Protocol for Processor Interconnection in a WDM-based Network," P. Dowd, D. Crouse, State University of New York at Buffalo, USA -"ISONet: A Dynamically Reconfigurable Integrated Services Optical Network," T. Bujewski, The Aerospace Corporation, USA; M. Gerla, University of California at Los Angeles, USA -"Implementing the DQDB using Wavelength Division Multiplexing," A. Kamal, H. Hassanein, Kuwait University, Kuwait ----------- Session 10: Technologies for High Performance, and Wireless ATM -"Using ATM Networks Effectively for High-Performance Applications," A. Guha, W. Franta, Network Systems Corporation, USA -"Affordable High Performance Computing: Evaluation of Cluster-based Computing via ATM," P. Dowd, E. Blade, State University of New York at Buffalo, USA; S. Srinidhi, Sterling Software, USA; R. Claus, NASA Lewis Research Center, USA -"Slack-Protocol Design and Performance in Wormhole-Routing Networks," J. Bannister, The Aerospace Corporation, USA; M. Gerla, S. Walton, University of California at Los Angeles, USA -"Fair Cascades of Fibre Channel Switches," L. Cherkasova, V. Kotov, T. Rokicki, Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, USA -"Cut-Through Routing in Intermediate Systems," O. Riebe, Humboldt Universitaet zu Berlin, Germany -"ATM Transport and GSM Circuit and Packet Mode Access Networks: A Platform for Mobile Multimediea of the Immediate Future," S. Chakraborty, Helsinki University of Technology, Finland -"Signaling and Mobility Management in a Wireless ATM LAN," M. Veeraraghavan, M. Karol, AT&T Bell Laboratories, USA ============================================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------- 7th IEEE Workshop on Local and Metropolitan Area Networks REGISTRATION FORM Name: _______________________________ Company/Affiliation: _________________________________ Address: ____________________________________ ____________________________________ Tel.: ____________________ Fax.: ___________________ E_Mail: _________________ ___ $100 enclosed in personal check or money order payable to "IEEE WORKSHOP 94" Mail the check to: ------------------ Yoram Ofek Workshop Chair IBM T. J. Watson Research Center P.O.Box 704 Yorktown Heights, NY 10598 e-mail: ofek at watson.ibm.com Telephone: (914) 784-7085 FAX: (914) 784-6205 Participants from outside the US, -------------------------------- can send the 100 Dollar registration via INTERNATIONAL CABLE (money transfer) directly --------------------------------------------- to the workshop account: ------------------------ * Routing # 021 000 128 * For Credit to account # 258 500 172 465 * "IEEE 95 WORKSHOP" * Chemical Bank * 324 Saw Mill River Rd. * Elmsford, NY 10523, U.S.A. ===================================================================== HAWK'S CAY RESORT AND MARINA REGISTRATION FORM FOR 7th IEEE WORKSHOP on LOCAL and Metropolitan Area Networks March 26, 1995 - March 29, 1995 Arrival Date ........... Arrival Time ....... Departure Date ...... (List early arrival/late departure dates, if applicable) (GROUP RATES MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE TO EARLY ARRIVALS/LATE DEPARTURES) NAME ....................... 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From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 19 14:51:19 1995 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <13440-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 11:49:07 +0000 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.cogsci; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:40:32 +0000 From: john@cogsci.edinburgh.ac.uk Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 16:40:19 GMT Message-Id: <28141.9501191640@ossian.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> To: cellular@dfv.rwth-aachen.de, tccc@cs.umass.edu, perform@tay1.dec.com, end2end-interest@ISI.EDU, ietf@ISI.EDU, rem-conf@es.net, announcements.chi@xerox.com, arl@arl1.wustl.edu, atm@bbn.com, cip@bbn.com, cnom@maestro.bellcore.com, ccrc@dworkin.wustl.edu, enternet-ec@bbn.com, enternet@bbn.com, f-troup@aurora.cis.upenn.edu, g-troup@dworkin.wustl.edu, globecom@signet.com.sg, hipparch@sophia.inria.fr, icad-request@santafe.edu, iplpdn@cnri.reston.va.us, sig11@roses.stanford.edu, smds@cnri.reston.va.us, sound@acm.org, tcplw@cray.com, tf-mm@i4serv.informatik.rwth-aachen.de, uist.chi@xerox.com, xtp-relay@cs.concordia.ca, schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de Subject: Workshop (sorry if you've seen this already) CALL FOR CONTRIBUTIONS and Registration Form This document is also accessible on the Web via the following URL: http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~john/IMMI_call/ IMMI-1 First International Workshop on Intelligence and Multimodality in Multimedia Interfaces: Research and Applications Human Communication Research Centre and EdCAAD, Dept. of Architecture University of Edinburgh Edinburgh, Scotland Thursday 13th - Friday 14th July 1995 Arranged on behalf of: UK Dept. of Trade and Industry (DTI) Intelligent Systems Integration Programme: Special Interest Group on Intelligent Interfaces (IISIG) In cooperation with the AAAI and in association with The HCI Group (a specialist group of the BCS) ACL SIGMEDIA BT Multimedia is hailed as the next great step forward in interface technology. But the potential of this technology depends on a greater understanding of how to exploit it more dynamically and interactively. Bringing ``intelligence'' into multimedia interfaces is thus increasingly important. This Workshop seeks to assess progress and examine pointers for future research and development directions; it seeks also to highlight issues arising >from experience of real multimedia applications, and hence encourages industrial participation and reports from practice. Contributions are invited concerning all kinds of work in the area. Themes include (but are not restricted to): * Intelligent guidance for the creation, indexing and presentation of material stored in multimedia form (as in CD-I). * The development of techniques to handle presentation and dialogue involving arbitrary information in different media. * A focus on the interpretation (semantics) of different channels of communication, allowing display of the same information in different ways (often termed ``multimodality''). * The relationship between multimodal presentation and aspects of users' tasks (e.g. reasoning, identification, etc.), including cognitive approaches to multimodal communication. * Formal methods for specification and reasoning in multimodal interactive systems. * A special theme on the integration of natural language and speech processing technology with interaction using other modalities such as graphics. A followup Workshop is proposed, to be held in Cuernavaca, Mexico, in late 1996, with the intention of further fostering transatlantic links. Edinburgh, historic capital of Scotland, is one of the most attractive of European cities. This Workshop will be located in the majestic City Chambers, less than five minutes' walk from the famous Castle. University accommodation will be available very close to the venue. Edinburgh in Summer is invariably host to a wide range of events and activities, which in 1995 includes for instance the spectacular Tall Ships Race, due to begin immediately following the Workshop. Abstracts of approximately 5 pages in length should be submitted by 14th February 1995 (preferably in electronic form) to: John Lee Human Communication Research Centre University of Edinburgh 2 Buccleuch Place Edinburgh EH8 9LW Scotland, UK. Email: J.Lee@ed.ac.uk Tel: +44 131 650 4420 Fax: +44 131 650 4587 IMMI-1 URL: http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~john/IMMI_call/ Requests for further information, registration forms, bookings for accommodation etc. should be directed to the same address. A notice of intention to submit an abstract would be appreciated as early as possible. Abstracts will be refereed: participation is limited to promote discussion. Accepted abstracts will be published in the quarterly of the IISIG ("IIQ": ISSN 1356-3262) and it is intended that selected authors will be invited to expand their contributions into full-length papers to be published in book form. International Programme Committee: Elisabeth Andre, DFKI, Germany Noelle Carbonell, CRIN, France Ernest Edmonds, LUTCHI, UK Alistair Kilgour, Heriot-Watt University, UK John Lee, HCRC/EdCAAD, UK Mark Maybury, Mitre Corp., US Jon Oberlander, HCRC, UK Fabio Paterno, CNUCE, Italy Luis Pineda, IEE, Mexico Mike Revett, BT, UK Keith Stenning, HCRC, UK Michael Wilson, RAL, UK Kent Wittenburg, Bellcore, US --------------------------------------------------------------------- REGISTRATION FORM IMMI-1 1st International Workshop on Intelligence and Multimodality in Multimedia Interfaces The Workshop will be held in the Edinburgh City Chambers, 13-14 July 1995 Accommodation is available in Edinburgh University accommodation buildings at Mylne's Court. This is an excellently converted tenement building in the heart of the 18th-century Old Town of Edinburgh, offering a choice of single or twin rooms. It is located very close to the Castle, and about 3 minutes' walk from the Workshop venue. Bed and breakfast will cost 19.95 pounds (sterling) per night. Car parking is unfortunately not easy. Rooms will be available over the weekend for those who wish to extend their stay. Early registration is highly advisable for the University accommodation, due to the limited number of rooms available (especially single rooms). There is also a range of high-quality hotels in the city centre, within easy access of the venue (details can be supplied). The Workshop Fee, which includes preprints etc., lunches and a social event, but not accommodation, is 100 pounds (sterling). There is a discount of 20% for students and members of the BCS HCI Group. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Please complete the following details for Registration at IMMI-1: Name: Address: Post/Zip code: Telephone: FAX: Email: Registration fee = 100 pounds sterling (or with 20% discount = 80 pounds, if student or HCI Group member -- please enclose evidence). Cheques, money orders etc. in sterling to be payable to the University of Edinburgh. I wish to reserve University accommodation (Mylne's Court) _____ (yes/no) If "yes": Number of rooms required: _____ (single) _____ (twin) Nights required (mark as applicable): Wed. 13th Thurs. 14th Fri. 15th Sat. 16th Other (please specify) Please send completed form and Registration Fee to: John Lee Human Communication Research Centre University of Edinburgh 2 Buccleuch Place Edinburgh EH8 9LW Scotland, UK. Email: J.Lee@ed.ac.uk Tel: +44 131 650 4420 Fax: +44 131 650 4587 A copy of this registration form is also available via the IMMI-1 URL: http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~john/IMMI_call/ From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 19 16:25:54 1995 Received: from burdell.cc.gatech.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <14912-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:24:42 +0000 Received: from fauna.cc.gatech.edu (kevin@fauna.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.8.21]) by burdell.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA16938 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:24:36 -0500 Received: (from kevin@localhost) by fauna.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA13180 for rem-conf@es.net; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:24:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:24:30 -0500 From: kevin@cc.gatech.edu (Kevin C. Almeroth) Message-Id: <199501192124.QAA13180@fauna.cc.gatech.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: IP Translation Utility I would like to take IP addresses of destinations as transmitted by vat and convert them into a geographical location. There used to be a WWW page at SUNY Buffalo in the Geography department that would do this, but it has recently been shut down. Does anyone know of a source for such a utility? Kevin Almeroth (kevin@cc.gatech.edu) Networking and Telecommunications Research Group College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology http://www.cc.gatech.edu/computing/Telecomm/people/Phd/kevin/kevin.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 19 16:31:32 1995 Received: from pigseye.mmm.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <15010-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:30:46 +0000 Received: by pigseye.mmm.com (1.38.193.5/SMI-4.1) id AA20423; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 15:34:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 15:31:31 -0600 Message-Id: <9501192131.AA17498@MOLE.mmm.com> From: jrbumblis@mmm.com To: PP-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line Original-To: @newlst.20@mmm.com Subject: IEEE 20th LCN Call for Papers. ********** CALL FOR PAPERS ********** 20th Annual Conference on Local Computer Networks "The Conference on Practical Leading Edge Computer Networking" October 15-18, 1995, Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA =============================================================== Sponsored by: IEEE Computer Society TC-Computer Communications =============================================================== Theme: The emphasis on this year's conference is on practical experience using computer networks in both the local area and in the global area. This unique approach simulates a workshop environment and allows for an effective interchange among users, researchers, and vendors. Some of the primary goals of the conference are to enable those involved in the local computer network field to share experiences, lessons learned, and prototype data and analysis. Because of these objectives, papers based on experience are especially solicited. The focus of the 20th LCN will be Practical Experience Using and Deploying Local Computer Networks. Papers that cover these areas are explicitly sought and will be given preference. Information for Authors: All authors must submit 5 full copies of the full technical paper by mail or delivery service. DO NOT SUBMIT COMPLETE PAPERS BY FAX. The first page must contain: title of the paper, author's names including affiliations, complete mailing address, telephone and FAX numbers, Internet or Bitnet address, and a 250 word (maximum) abstract (double-spaced) in English to Joe Bumblis, Program Chair, at the address below. Sessions are being organized on: o Internetworking/Routers/Bridges o High Performance Protocols o Multimedia o Metropolitan Area Networks o Distributed Applications o LAN/MAN/WAN Integration o Wide Area Networks o Standards o ATM o Network Management o Fibre Channel Networking o Remote Monitoring o High Speed Networks o Wireless Networks o Error Control Techniques o Emerging Technologies o Congestion Control o Realtime Networks o FDDI and FDDI-II o AI Networks Send papers to: Joe Bumblis, Program Chair Important Dates: 3M 3M Center, Building 224-4N-27 Submission: March 21, 1995 St. Paul, MN 55144-1000 Acceptance: June 27, 1995 Camera Copy: August 1 1995 +1 612-737-4763 (office) Conference Summary +1 612-736-7689 (fax) - Tutorials - Technical Paper Sessions jrbumblis@mmm.com - Panel Discussions From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 19 17:10:05 1995 Received: from intrepid.ecn.purdue.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <15676-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:09:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (davy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by intrepid.ecn.purdue.edu (8.6.9/3.5davy) with ESMTP id RAA04649; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 17:08:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199501192208.RAA04649@intrepid.ecn.purdue.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: mrouted configuration question Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 17:08:48 EST From: "David A. Curry" Hi, I can't find the answer to this in any of the MBONE-related FAQs and docs; perhaps someone can help me. We have a highly redundant network topology that includes a single backbone between all of our major file servers. This backbone runs between seven different buildings. In each building we have several networks as well, and there are multiple file servers connected to each of these. We also have some smaller nets that may be connected to only one server. Thus, in general, there are at least two, if not three or four or five paths from any subnet to any other subnet. We have one host that is our MBONE tunnel host; it is connected to the inter-building backbone and two other networks (the two other networks have other file servers on them, and those file servers are also on the backbone). My question is how to configure mrouted for my hosts. Right now, I have an mrouted.conf on the tunnel host that contains one line, the one that specifies the tunnel. On all the other multi-homed hosts, I run mrouted with an empty mrouted.conf file. On the single-homed hosts, I do not run mrouted at all. The way I understand it, mrouted will take care of (1) putting the packets on all the networks, and (2) making sure that the packets are not duplicated on the networks by more than one host putting the same packet on the net. It seems however, that more than one of the hosts on the backbone is transmitting MBONE packets onto that net. This is determined by watching a Network General Sniffer and seeing packets destined for multicast ethernet addresses (when we shut down the MBONE tunnel, the traffic stops). So far as we know nobody is using the MBONE here for transmitting, so the only packets being put on the nets should be those received over the tunnel. I thought mrouted/DVMRP would prevent this from happening. Am I doing something wrong? Should I be using "phyint disable" to turn off the "duplicate" interfaces on each subnet? Am I misinterpreting what I'm seeing? Or is this the way it's supposed to work? All hosts are running Solaris 2.3 and Mrouted 2.2. Thanks for any clues, Dave Curry Purdue University From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 19 21:08:23 1995 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <18006-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 18:06:54 +0000 Received: from hplabsz.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.4/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA12875; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 17:52:50 -0800 Received: by hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.14/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA042386703; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 17:51:43 -0800 From: Ted Laliotis Message-Id: <199501200151.AA042386703@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Information Superhighway Conference To: rem-conf@es.net, atm@bbn.com, end2end-interest@venera.isi.edu, f-troup@sl.cis.upenn.edu, g-troup@dworkin.wustl.edu, ccrc@dworkin.wustl.edu, arl@arl1.wustl.edu, tcplw@cray.com, announcements.chi@xerox.com, sound@acm.org, sigmedia@bellcore.com, icad@santafe.edu, cip@bbn.com, iplpdn@cnri.reston.va.us, smds@cnri.reston.va.us, s-comput@tcsvm.bitnet, ir-l%uccvma.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu, tf-mm@i4serv.informatik.rwth-aachen.de, uist.chi@xerox.com, sig11@roses.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 17:51:43 PST Cc: laliotis@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] *******Please post to other groups that may be interested****** TECHNOLOGIES for the SUPERHIGHWAY IEEE COMPCON 95 To be held in San Francisco, March 5-9 at the Stanford Court Hotel. COMPCON '95 is the premier professional conference on Information Superhighway Technologies and applications. It is sponsored by the IEEE Computer Society. There are no exhibits. This is a no-nonsense technical conference for computer science and engineering professionals who are interested to share and learn more about the rapidly growing Information Superhighway business. Besides three days of 90 technical sessions, there are 9 tutorials in relevant subjects. ------------------------------ For Advanced Program (printed copy after Jan 20) e-mail: egrimes@aol.com FAX: 408 973 1325 URL for World Wide Web access: http://www.hal.com/compcon To Register for the conference: e-mail: COMPCON95@lbl.gov FAX: 510 422 2495, Tel: 510 422 2199 Mail: Compcon 95 c/o Dave Hunt, L-130 LLNL, PO Box 808, Livermore, CA 94550 Conference Fees (3 days): Early* On-site IEEE Member $ 325 $ 375 Non-Member $ 425 $ 475 Student $ 50 $ 50 *Early registration cut off: Feb. 21 One-day $175 (Members), $250 (non-members), Tutorials (these cost extra) Full day tutorials same as conference fees 1/2 day tutorials (half above fee) Speakers, committee members, session chairs can all use the lower member prices, whether an IEEE member or not. .pa ============ Master Compcon 1995 plan with papers, sessions and Tutorials ============ Theme: TECHNOLOGIES for the SUPERHIGHWAY MONDAY March 6, 1995 Plenary speakers: Professor Dave Farber, Moore Professor of Telecommunications, University of Pensylvania "Glass Tunnels Connecting Broadband Islands - The GII" Jim Clark, Chairman and CEO, Netscape Communications Corp. "Internet = Electronic Commerce, Now!" Monday, Track 1 World Wide Web Topics, W. W. Wilcke, HAL 1. The WWW as a Platform Independent Interface to High Performance Computing, David Robertson and Bill Johnston, Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory 2. WWW Network Traffic Patterns, Jeffrey Sedayao, Intel 3. A Powerful Wide-Area Client, Tak W. Yan, Stanford Univ, and Juergen Annevelink, HP Electronic Commerce on the Internet, D. Gifford, Open Market Inc, and MIT 1. Netbill: An Electronic Commerce System Optimized for Network Delivered Information and Services, Marvin Sirbu and J. Doug Tygar, Carnegie Mellon University 2. Payment Switches for Open Networks, by D. Gifford, A. Payne, L. Stewart, and W. Treese, Open Market, Inc. 3. Payment services for open networks, B. Clifford Neuman, University of Southern California Business on Networks, Fred Strange, LLNL and FSTC 1. Doing Business of the Information Highway: The nine steps to conduct business on the info. highway. F, Strange, LLNL 2. CommerceNet: Spontaneous Electronic Commerce on the Internet Allan M. Schiffman and Jay M. Tenenbaum, EIT 3. Ordering, Distributing and Receipt: Order Processing & Management at IBM, Don Willenborg, IBM 4. Billing, Payment/Settlement, Accounting & Ancillary Services: Netaccount, Deepak Gupte, Nations Bank .pa Monday, Track 2 Is it time to pay attention? Information Highway Trials in the Bay Area, W. J. Lennon, LLNL 1. Wavelength Division Multiplexing Wide Area Network trial: The National Transparent Optical Network Consortium, W. J. Lennon, Lawrence Livermore National Lab 2. Wavelength Division Multiplexing in Local Area Network: Stanford's Starnet, Leonid Kazovsky, Stanford University 3. ATM services Trial: BAGnet and other CalREN supported projects William Johnston, Lawrence Berkeley Lab Distance Learning Technologies, Tom Wilkins, HP 1. Distance Learning on the Desk Top, Pat Portway, Applied Business Telecommunications 2. Distance Learning in Higher Education, Dr. Carla Lane 3. Distance learning the community/corporate connection, Tom Wilkins, HP Satellite Superhighways, Ted Laliotis, HP 1. Superhighway to the home via DBS delivery, Peter Hampton, Primestar Partners 2. Low Earth Orbit (LEO) applications on the horizon, James Stuart, Teledesic 3. Role of satellites in NII and GII, Lawrence P. Seidman, Hughes 4. Gigabit Satellites in Distributed Supercomputing for Global Research, Larry Bergman, JPL .pa Monday, Track 3 Alpha 21164 Microprocessor and Systems, Dileep Bhandarkar, DEC 1. The Organization of the Alpha 21164 Microprocessor Pete Bannon and Jim Keller, Digital Equipment Corporation 2. World's Fastest Workstation, John Zurawski, John Murray, Paul Lemmon. Digital Equipment Corp 3. 21164 based High Performance Multiprocessor Server D.M.Fenwick, D.J.Foley, S.R.VanDoren, Digital Equipment Corporation First generation PowerPC SMP systems, Kimming So, IBM 1. IBM RS/6000 Commercial SMP Systems, James O. Nicholson, IBM 2. AIX Operating System Support for Symmetric Multiprocessing Jack C. O'Quin, Ronald S. Clark and Thomas V. Weaver, IBM 3. The performance and performance methodology for a PowerPC SMP system Bret R. Olszewski, IBM, Jean-Jacques Guillemaud, Groupe Bull Inc PA-RISC: Application-Driven Innovation, Ruby Lee, HP 1. Advanced Performance Features of the 64-bit PA-8000 Doug Hunt, et al , HP, Fort Collins 2. New MP Hardware Architecture for Commercial and Technical Environments, Loren Staley, et al , HP Roseville 3. A Highly Scalable System Utilizing up to 128 PA-RISC Processors Tony Brewer, et al, Convex Computer .pa TUESDAY, March 7, 1995 Plenary speakers: Steve Schramm, VP Engineering, General Magic, "Agents that Travel" Andy Lippman, Associate director, MIT Media Lab, "Distributed Media Bank" Tuesday, Track 4 Information Hosting Services, G. Lidor, Bell Labs, AT&T 1. PersonaLink Agent-based Messaging and Information Services Paul S. R. Chisholm, AT&T 2. InfoSleuth: Networked Exploitation of Information using Semantic Agents, Darrell Woelk and Christine Tomlinson, MCC 3. Enhancing Lotus Notes for Carrier Grade Hosting, Paul Cummings, Lotus Development Corp. Mobile Internet Applications (based on PDAs), Joel Bartlett, DEC 1. Experience with a Wireless World Wide Web Client, Joel F. Bartlett, DEC 2. Enabling PDA's with Wireless Communications, Rick Lane, Motorola 3. Video on Demand in Wireless Communication, E. Tsern, Stanford Univ Infopad, A. Baum, Apple 1. The Infopad Project: Providing Portable Multimedia Access to the Information Highway, Bob Brodersen or Jan Rabaey UC Berkeley 2. Infopad: A Low Power, Wireless Multimedia Terminal, Sam Sheng, UC Berkeley 3. Infonet: Network Infrastructure and Software for Mobile Information Access, My Le, UC Berkeley 4. User Interface and Applications in the Infopad Environment, Andy Burstein or Eric Brewer, UC Berkeley .pa Tuesday, Track 5 Advanced Media Enhancement Technologies. R. Lee, HP 1. An Object-Based Architecture for a Digital Compression Camera, John Beck, et al, HP Chelmsford 2. Realtime MPEG Video via Software Decompression on PA-RISC Processors, Ruby Lee, et al, HP Cupertino 3. Color Recovery: Millions of Colors from an 8-bit Graphics Device, Anthony Barkans, HP Fort Collins Interactive TV, R. Williams, IBM 1. Set-top boxes and applications, Lee Colby, HP 2. Oracle media server and its applications, Andy Laursen, Mark Porter and Jeffrey Olkin, Oracle 3. Video on Demand: Hong Kong trial, R. Haskin and F. Stein, IBM Storage Hierarchy in Multimedia Systems, M. Kienzle, IBM 1. Buffering and Caching in Large-Scale Video Servers, Asit Dan, Dan Dias, Rajat Mukherjee, Christos Polyzois, Dinkar Sitaram, Renu Tewari, IBM 2. Using Tertiary Storage in Video-on-Demand Servers Martin Kienzle, Asit Dan, Dinkar Sitaram, and William Tetzlaff, IBM 3. Server Preroll RPC for Client/Server Multimedia M.Baugher, G.Flurry, J.Wilkinson, IBM 4. Elements of scalable video servers, W. Tetzlaff, IBM and R. Flynn, Polytechnic University. .pa Tuesday, Track 6 HAL Computer Systems, Wen Li, HAL 1. Architectural Overview of HAL Systems, Winfried W. Wilcke, HAL 2. The CPU Microarchitecture, Niteen Patkar, HAL 3. Cache and Memory Management Microarchitecture, Chien Chen and Dave Lyon and David Chang, HAL PowerPC Processors, S. Peter Song, IBM and Nasr Ullah, Motorola 1. A PowerPC Microprocessor for the Low Power Computing Market, Deene Ogden, Belli Kuttanna, Albert J. Loper, Soummya Mallick and Michael Putrino, IBM 2. The PowerPC 620 Microprocessor: A High Performance Superscalar RISC Microprocessor, David Levitan, Thomas L. Thomas, Motorola and Paul Tu, IBM 3. A Pipelined, Weakly-Ordered Bus for Multi-Processing Systems Michael Allen and Kurt Lewchuk, Motorola Power PC software and Systems, N. Ullah, Motorola, M. NguyenPhu, IBM 1. The PowerPC Architecture: 64-bit Power with 32-bit Compatibility C. Ray Peng, Motorola, Tom Petersen and Ron Clark, IBM 2. The PowerPC 620 in Distributed Computing, Michael P. Taborn, John K. Yuan, David C. Lee, and Albert Tsay, IBM 3. Developing Windows NT Applications for the PowerPC, Howard C. Thamm, Motorola 4. Using the PowerPC Microprocessor for Power-Managed Systems (by IBM), Keith Braithwaite, IBM .pa Social Hour: TOP OF THE MARK, MARK HOPKINS HOTEL, 5:30 - 7:30 Note: The TOP OF THE MARK is a restaurant on top of a hotel tower next to the conference hotel. Since both hotels are on top of Nob Hill, the view from the TOP OF THE MARK is absolutely spectacular. .pa WEDNESDAY, March 8, 1995 Plenary speakers: Professor Dave Patterson, UC Berkeley "A Case for Networks of Workstations: NOW" John Warnock, CEO of Adobe Systems "The New Information Frontier" Wednesday, Track 7 NOW: Networks of Workstations, D. Patterson, UC Berkeley 1. The IBM SP-2, Tilak Agerwala, IBM 2. The Berkeley NOW Project, Thomas E. Anderson, David E. Culler, and David A. Patterson, U.C. Berkeley 3. Tempest: User-level Shared Memory", Mark D. Hill, James R. Larus, and David A. Wood, University of Wisconsin High speed network protocols, W. Lennon, LLNL 1. 1394 --It's Everywhere, Dan Moore and Gary Hoffman, Skipstone Inc. 2. Fibrechannel 1995, Ed Frymoyer, HP 3. Local Area MultiProcessor: surpassing clusters, David B. Gustavson, SCIzzL, and Prof. Qiang Li, Santa Clara University ATM panel, S. Bell, Bell Consulting 1. The WAN Perspective, Larry Roberts, CEO ATM Systems 2. The LAN Perspective, Robert Newman, Dir. ATM, Synoptics 3. The Silicon Perspective, Akber Kazmi, Philips Semiconductor .pa Wednesday, Track 8 Taligent Object Services, J. Grimes, Taligent 1. Runtime Services for Persistent Objects, Russell Nakano, et al, Taligent 2. An Object-Oriented Device Driver Model, Steve Lemon, et al, Taligent 3. Object-Oriented Wrappers for the Mach Microkernel, Stephen Kurtzman and Kayshav Dattatri, Taligent Multimedia Authoring and Acrobat, J. King, Adobe and M. Harrison, UC Berkeley 1. Technical Issues in Hypermedia Scripting Languages, Brian F. Dennis and Prof. Michael A. Harrison, UC Berkeley 2. Acrobat 2.0, Andrew Shore, Adobe Systems 3. Choosing the Right Tool for the Job: Authoring vs. Programming Tools, Michael McGrath, Grafica Multimedia, Inc. Post-Production (Hollywood), A. Fetzer, consultant 1. Digital Editing Technology in Broadcast Video Production Leon Siverman, Laser Pacific 2. Digital Technology and the Convergence in Film, Video and Multimedia Bruce Pfander, 20th Century Fox 3. Digital Editing Technology - A Film Maker's Perspective Andrew Silver, Silver Productions .pa Wednesday, Track 9 Advanced CD systems, W. Lenth 1. CD technology for the future, Hoss Bozorgzad, Philips 2. CD and Competing Mass Storage Technologies in an Application Driven Environment, Paul Wehrenberg, Apple 3. CD or not to CD, A. Bell, IBM High Performance Storage Systems, R. Morris, IBM 1. Scalable Network Storage, E. K. Lee, Digital Equipment Corporation 2. The Parallel Scotch Storage Server, G. Gibson, CMU 3. Future Directions in RAID, J. Menon, IBM New Trends in Storage Management, J. Menon, IBM 1. ADSM: A multi-platform, scalable, backup and archive mass storage system. L-F Cabrera, B. Rees, S. Steiner, et al. IBM 2. An Object Oriented Model for Distributed Storage Management, David Low, EMC 3. Step by Step, Hierarchical Storage Management, Jim Gast, Palindrome 4. Data Striping for Heterogeneous Environments, Jim McNiel, Cheyenne .pa Wednesday, Track 10 The UltraSPARC Microprocessor with Multimedia Support, Robert Garner, SUN 1. UltraSPARC: The Next Generation Superscalar 64b SPARC Dale Greenley, et al, SUN 2. Verification of the UltraSPARC Microprocessor Shrenik Mehta, et al, SUN 3. The Visual Instruction Set (VIS) in UltraSPARC, Marc Tremblay, SUN 4. Video processing with UltraSparc, Chang Zhou, et al, SUN Can Digital Technology Reinvent the Newspaper? Panel, Paul Freiberger, Interval Research 1. Publishing today is like an electronic pinata, Paul Saffo, Institute for the Future. 2. An optimistic view that says hardware is key, John Markoff, New York Times 3. Bill Mitchell, Director of Mercury Center, Knight-Ridder Inc. Internet Access to Environmental Data, P. Mantey, UC Santa Cruz 1. SEQUOIA 2000, Joseph Pasquale, UC San Diego 2. BADGER: Bay Area Digital GeoResource, David Milgram Lockheed Research Laboratory 3. REINAS: Real-Time Environmental Information Network and Analysis System, Darrell Long, UC Santa Cruz ============== TUTORIALS Sunday, March 5 Yale N. Patt, Computer Architecture Choices Steve W. Bell, ATM Overview Lawrence Rowe, Digital Audio and Video Compression, Multimedia Systems and Applications Henry A. Sowizral, Understanding and Developing Virtual Reality Systems Thursday, March 9 Robert Orfali, Dan Harkey and Jim Gray, Client/Server Overview and Update Dave Grubb and Jerry Owens, Exploring INTERNET on your PC Borko Furht, Distributed Multimedia Systems and Applications Jim King, Color on the Desktop, (1/2 day) M. Ketabchi, Is DBMS Technology in Chaos, Modern DBMS approaches Products and Standards and Trends (1/2 day) Updated 1/6/95 Robin Williams (Program Chair) rwilliams@almaden.ibm.com Winfried W. Wilcke (General Chair) wilcke@hal.com Ted Laliotis (Steering Committee Chair) laliotis@hpl.hp.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 19 21:17:50 1995 Received: from N3.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <18116-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 18:16:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 21:00:27 EST From: Hui.Zhang@N3.SP.CS.CMU.EDU To: rem-conf@ES.NET Subject: CFP: ACM Multimedia'95 *************************************************************************** ACM MULTIMEDIA'95 November 5-9, 1995 Hyatt Regency (Embarcadero) San Francisco, CA THE THIRD ACM INTERNATIONAL MULTIMEDIA CONFERENCE AND EXHIBITION Sponsored by the ACM SIG Multimedia, SIGCHI, SIGGRAPH, SIGBIT, SIGBIO, SIGCOMM, SIGIR and SIGOIS In cooperation with ACM SIGAPP, SIGCAPH, SIGMOD and SIGOPS PRELIMINARY CALL FOR PARTICIPATION *************************************************************************** Multimedia can substantially improve communication between information providers and consumers by making it more effective and more engaging. ACM Multimedia'95 will provide an international forum for papers, panels, videos, demonstrations, courses, workshops, and exhibits focusing on all aspects of this multi-disciplinary field: from underlying technologies to applications and issues, and from theory to practice. We invite your participation. Topics include, but are not limited to: applications in education, entertainment, government, medicine, etc.; collaboration environments; databases; digital libraries; distributed systems; documents and authoring; hardware and architectures; image, video and audio compression techniques; information retrieval; interactive television; media integration and synchronization; networking and communication; operating system extensions; programming paradigms and environments; standards and legal issues; storage and I/O architectures; tools; user interfaces; and virtual reality. Papers ------ Technical papers on completed or in-progress research, innovative applications, or experience with multimedia systems are solicited. Submissions must use a typeface no smaller than 10 point, double sided if possible, and be no longer than 12 pages including figures, tables, and references. Where applicable, prototype demonstrations or videotape presentations are encouraged to supplement the talks. Submit complete papers to: Polle Zellweger, Program Chair. Outstanding papers on different areas of multimedia will be given awards. Papers with a student as the primary author will enter a student paper award competition. A cover letter must identify the paper as a candidate for the student paper competition. Selected papers will be forwarded to ACM/Springer-Verlag Multimedia Systems, Communications of the ACM, IEEE/ACM Transactions on Networking, or ACM Transactions on Information Systems. Panels ------ Panels are solicited that examine innovative, controversial, or otherwise provocative issues of interest. Proposals should be limited to 2 pages, plus a biography of at most one paragraph for each participant. Submit panel proposals to: Fillia Makedon, Panels Chair. Videos ------ Videos of innovative multimedia technology should be 5-8 minutes long, in NTSC format, and accompanied by one copy of a 1-2 page description of the material shown in the video. Submit videos to: Gil Cruz, Videos Chair. Demonstrations -------------- We solicit demonstrations of working systems in technical and artistic categories. Submissions (at most 2 pages) should include a description of the exhibit, demo requirements, a biography, and a single VHS NTSC video. Submit demonstrations to: Tom Little, Demonstrations Chair. Courses ------- There will be a series of 1/2-day tutorial courses, focused on issues relevant to researchers and/or practitioners of multimedia technology. Proposals (at most 5 pages) should include a description of the subject matter and brief biographical sketches of the instructors. Evaluation of proposals will be based on expertise and experience of instructors, relevance of subject matter, and the use of multimedia technology in the presentation. Submit tutorial proposals to: Sorel Reisman, Tutorials Chair. Workshops --------- Workshops preceding the conference will allow participants to exchange ideas on a topic. Workshop results and issues will be integrated into the main body of the conference. Submit workshop proposals to: Ephraim Glinert, Workshops Chair. Exhibits -------- ACM Multimedia'95 offers a unique opportunity for vendors and publishers to exhibit and demonstrate multimedia products. For more information, contact Don Collier, Exhibition Manager. ============= IMPORTANT SUBMISSION INFORMATION -------------------------------- Authors should consult the World Wide Wed at http://acm.org/MM95/ for a more detailed submission guidelines and up-to-date information about ACM Multimedia'95. Authors of accepted submissions will be required to submit both a camera- ready copy of the manuscript for the printed proceedings and an electronic copy for the CD ROM proceedings. Authors must assign copyright to ACM as a condition of publishing their work in the proceedings. An author who embeds an object, such as an art image, copyrighted by a third party is expected to obtain that party's permission to include the object with the understanding that the entire work may be distributed as a unity to ACM members and others. IMPORTANT DATES --------------- Six copies of all submissions due: March 31, 1995. Notification of acceptance: June 30, 1995. Submissions in final form due: August 11, 1995. CONFERENCE COMMITTEE -------------------- General Chair: R.B. Allen, Bellcore Networking: G. Paxinos, Metro Link Proceedings: S. Heller, GWU Electronic Information: H. Zhang, CMU Electronic Publishing: R. Phillips, LANL Publicity: R. Mehrotra, UM-St. Louis Treasurer: M. Brown, DEC European Liaison: C. Thanos, Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche (Pisa) Steering Committee Co-Chairs: S. Bulick, US WEST A. Kuchinsky, Hewlett Packard PROGRAM CHAIR: Polle Zellweger Xerox PARC 3333 Coyote Hill Road Palo Alto, CA 94304 USA mm95@parc.xerox.com Phone: +1-415-812-4426 PANELS CHAIR: Fillia Makedon Dept. of Math and Computer Sci. Dartmouth College 6211 Sudikoff Laboratory, Room 109 Hanover, NH 03755-3510 USA makedon@kinsman.dartmouth.edu Phone: +1-603-646-3048. VIDEOS CHAIR: Gil Cruz, R. Hill MRE-2B280 Bellcore 445 South Street Morristown, NJ 07960 USA {gil,rdh}@bellcore.com Phone: +1-201-829-5212 DEMONSTRATIONS CHAIR: Tom Little Dept. of Elec. and Computer Engr. Boston University 44 Cummington St. Boston, MA 02215 USA tdcl@spiderman.bu.edu Phone: +1-617-353-9877 TUTORIALS CHAIR: Sorel Reisman Dept. of Management Science/Information Systems California State University Fullerton, CA 92634 USA sreisman@ccvax.fullerton.edu Phone: +1-714-773-3325 WORKSHOPS CHAIR: Ephraim Glinert Dept. of Computer Science R. P. I. Troy, NY 12180 USA glinert@cs.rpi.edu Phone: +1-518-276-2657 EXHIBITS CHAIR: Brent Hailpern IBM T.J. Watson Res. Ctr. 30 Sawmill River Roada Hawthorne, NY 10532 USA bth@watson.ibm.com Phone: +1-914-784-6821 EXHIBITOR INFORMATION: Don Collier DC Expositions, Inc. 555 Republic Drive, Suite #316 Plano, TX 75074 USA dcexpo@aol.com Phone +1-214-423-4286 PROGRAM COMMITTEE ----------------- Program Chair: P. Zellweger, Xerox PARC, USA AssociateChairs: D.P. Anderson, Sonic Solutions, USA F. Brody, Inst. of Adv. Comm., Austria D.C.A. Bulterman, CWI, Netherlands E.A. Fox, Virginia Tech, USA F. Golshani, Arizona State Univ., USA R.G. Herrtwich, IBM Eurocoord., France H. Ishii, NTT, Japan T.D.C. Little, Boston Univ., USA W. Mackay, Rank Xerox Res. Centre, UK V. deMey, Apple Computer, USA A.D. Narasimhalu, National Univ. of Singapore J. Rosenberg, Bellcore, USA E. Schooler, Caltech, USA B. Smith, Cornell Univ., USA H. Vin, Univ. of Texas, Austin, USA A. Weinrib,Intel Architecture Labs, USA N. Yankelovich,Sun Microsystems, USA GENERALINFORMATION: http://acm.org/MM95/ +1-201-829-4315 REGISTRATIONINFORMATION: +1-508-443-3330 x1230 +1-800-524-1851 x1230 *************************************************************************** 1995 ACM INTERNATIONAL MULTIMEDIA CONFERENCE AND EXHIBITION *************************************************************************** From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 19 22:00:14 1995 Received: from harry.lloyd.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <18604-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 18:58:08 +0000 Received: from [158.222.1.3] by lloyd.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0rV9TA-0006IQC; Thu, 19 Jan 95 18:53 PST Message-Id: X-Sender: brian@harry.lloyd.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 18:53:00 -0800 To: Sandy McCrady , announcements.chi@xerox.com, arl@arl1.wustl.edu, atm@bbn.com, ccrc@dworkin.wustl.edu, cellular@dfv.rwth-aachen.de, cip@bbn.com, cnom@maestro.bellcore.com, end2end-interest@isi.edu, enternet-ec@bbn.com, enternet@bbn.com, f-troup@aurora.cis.upenn.edu, g-troup@dworkin.wustl.edu, globecom@signet.com.sg, Henning Schulzrinne , hipparch@sophia.inria.fr, icad-request@santafe.edu, ietf@isi.edu, iplpdn@CNRI.Reston.VA.US, perform@tay1.dec.com, rem-conf@es.net, sig11@roses.stanford.edu, sigmedia@bellcore.com, smds@CNRI.Reston.VA.US, sound@acm.org, tccc@cs.umass.edu, tcplw@cray.com, "tf-mm@i4serv.informatik.rwth-aa" , uist.chi@xerox.com, xtp-relay@cs.concordia.ca From: brian@lloyd.com (Brian Lloyd) Subject: Re: RE- client/server image sof At 9:11 1/19/95 +0000, Sandy McCrady wrote: > Reply to: RE: client/server image software > >Anyone know any good client/server (UNIX) existing software or something that >could easily be modified that does image/rastor/TIF manipulation (view/zoom, >pan, move around on the screen, print). Need some sort of button/menu control >so it can talk on the back end to a pgm that talks to an ORACLE data base. >(Windows should be MOTIF and maybe use DCE/Encina.) > >Any good ideas? Try xv. We run it on our Suns under generic X11R5. It can accept a number of image formats in and it generates a bunch out, including postscript for driving laser printers. It lets you crop, scale, change aspect ratio (stretch), modify color maps, modify intensity and chroma transfer functions, etc. I use it to generate false color images and do image enhancement. It was especially useful in processing lunar terminator images from Clementine. Brian Lloyd, President Lloyd Internetworking brian@lloyd.com 3031 Alhambra Dr, Suite 102 http://www.lloyd.com Cameron Park, CA 95682 (916) 676-1147 - voice (916) 676-3442 - fax From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jan 20 04:57:48 1995 Received: from andie.st-and.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <21663-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 01:57:06 +0000 Received: from tamdhu.dcs.st-and.ac.uk by andie.st-andrews.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <25729-0@andie.st-andrews.ac.uk>; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 09:53:09 +0000 Received: from turret.dcs.st-and.ac.uk by dcs.st-and.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07208; Fri, 20 Jan 95 09:53:38 GMT Message-Id: <9501200953.AA07208@ dcs.st-and.ac.uk> To: kevin@cc.gatech.edu (Kevin C. Almeroth) Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: IP Translation Utility In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:24:30 EST." <199501192124.QAA13180@fauna.cc.gatech.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 09:54:05 +0000 From: Paul Harrington Kevin> I would like to take IP addresses of destinations as Kevin> transmitted by vat and convert them into a geographical Kevin> location. Hi, We are doing something similar here for the UK academic network so as to be able to display information on the basis of the network address referred to in the data and select a network/site on the basis of a click on a map. We are getting a polygon map of the UK from some GIS people in Edinburgh. I poked around looking for some mapping between domains and geographical coordinates but ended up making my own from the old UUCP maps and a bit of perl. I will try and do the same thing with the US maps if someone has not done so already (I don't know where Brandon -- the person at SUNY -- got the data from, or if it is freely available) abdn.ac.uk = 7500W 205800N = 02 05 00 W / 57 10 00 N aber.ac.uk = 14400W 188760N = 04 00 00 W / 52 26 00 N aberdeen.ac.uk = 7500W 205800N = 02 05 00 W / 57 10 00 N The full file is at http://warp.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/warp/sw/local/ukmap The following extract is from rem-conf a while back. Perhaps this is something along the lines (no pun) of what you want? pjjH Paul Harrington, phrrngtn@dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk +44 1334 463261 Division of Computer Science, St Andrews University, Scotland KY16 9SS From: callahan@cerc.wvu.edu (Jack R. Callahan) Subject: Re: [Q] Stock info. Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 13:52:28 -0500 (EST) jack> Actually, I had a class of mine design and implement a multicast jack> tool for a software engineering project last semester. The tool jack> is called IML - Internet Multicast Locator. The tool jack> periodically sends unreliable multicast packets on a well-known jack> address that advertise the name, latitude, longitude and some jack> other attributes of the user. From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jan 20 07:31:34 1995 Received: from nysernet.org by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <22721-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 04:30:51 +0000 Received: by nysernet.ORG (8.6.7/3.1.090690-NYSERnet Inc.) id HAA28707; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 07:29:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 07:29:07 -0500 From: klong@nysernet.ORG ("K.A. Long") Message-Id: <199501201229.HAA28707@nysernet.ORG> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: FAQ and ftp site Could someone please send me the location of the FAQ and ftp site? Thanks for your help. Kim Long From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jan 20 14:28:39 1995 Received: from ell.ee.lbl.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <27055-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:27:54 +0000 Received: by ell.ee.lbl.gov (8.6.9/1.43r) id LAA18841; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:27:53 -0800 From: mccanne@ee.lbl.gov (Steven McCanne) Message-Id: <199501201927.LAA18841@ell.ee.lbl.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: UC Berkeley Multimedia Seminar on MBONE Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 11:27:53 PST Today at 2:00pm PST, we will be broadcasting the first in a series of multimedia seminars from 405 Soda Hall at the U.C. Berkeley campus. This seminar series has been sponsored by Prof.'s Larry Rowe and Martin Vetterli. Today, Larry, Martin, and Prof. Carlo Sequin will be giving overview presentations. Because Soda Hall is a new building and the audio/video equipment has not been fully deployed, today's seminar will follow the "camera and mike at the back of the room" model. We hope to evolve and improve the facilities over the course of the semester. Sorry for late notice and stay tuned for future announcements... Steve From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jan 21 16:04:49 1995 Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09202-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sat, 21 Jan 1995 13:04:14 +0000 Received: from grus.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01818; Sat, 21 Jan 95 13:04:58 PST Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 13:04:57 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Macedonia To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: mbone@ISI.EDU, carl@radio.com Subject: Ideas for Confernce Connection In-Reply-To: <9501161249.AA01999@rx7.ee.lbl.gov> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Background: The ACM Symposium on 3D Interactive Graphics is going to be held at the Hyatt in Monterey, CA in April. This is a big event for the technical SIGGRAPH folks (Apple, SGI, HP, Sun, etc) and this year we are putting on a demo of the NPSNET 3D vehicle/human simulator over Mbone in conjuction with NRL, GMU, and others. Essentialy, we want to show the future of networked interactive 3D entertainment to the community. Loaded Questions: Whats the best way to connect the demo to the Mbone? I was impressed by the IETF setup. Whats required to get that level of quality? Any folks interested in helping? Mike Macedonia | macedonia@cs.nps.navy.mil MAJ, USA | CS Dept, Naval Postgraduate School, | Monterey, CA 93943 | PH:(408) 656-2903 FAX:(408) 656-2814 ------------------------------------------------------------ From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 23 02:57:18 1995 Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <19693-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sun, 22 Jan 1995 23:56:34 +0000 Received: from nestow.cs.ualberta.ca by scapa.cs.ualberta.ca id <13197-2>; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 00:56:18 -0700 Subject: hgs@fokus.gmd.de,casner@isi.edu,frederic@parc.xerox.com,van@ee.lbl.gov From: Kannan Thiruvengadam To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 00:56:17 -0700 (MST) Cc: hgs@fokus.gmd.de, casner@isi.edu, frederic@parc.xerox.com, van@ee.lbl.gov, kannan@cs.ualberta.ca X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3308 Message-Id: <95Jan23.005618-0700_(mst).13197-2@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Hello all, Basically, I have a comment to make about the RTP Nov 94 spec. In that process, I may say things that are already well known to you. Please bear with me and read on. I am trying to write record and replay routines for RTP transmissions. The record program just receives RTP packets and dumps them in the disk. The replay program reads the packets and sends them on to the network, to be displayed on a remote station (yes, the replay program doesn't display anything; it pretends to be a real source of the packets so a tool like vic can display the media without worrying about the real source of the data). The concern is about *the interval at which packets belonging to the same video frame have to be sent*. RTP (as in the Nov 94 draft) requires that the same timestamp be used in all packets of one frame. Therefore the rate of emission of packets (by the replay program) seems to be "uncared for". I suggest that this be taken into consideration, for, in future, it will become a regular practice (and necessity) to record all conferences. And I submit the following argument for your perusal in this regard. It is reasonable to assume identical link capacity (i.e., bandwidth available) during recording and replaying. This means packets have to be sent at the same rate at which they arrived. It is not a good idea to use the arrival time because it includes jitter. Therefore sendtime is required. This sendtime will be different for different packets, thus making life easy for the replay program (It doesn't have to make any decision regarding the interval between transmission of successive packets). Even if higher bandwidth is available during replay (between the replay program and the display program), it does not make sense to send packets faster, because, the display program, due to intra media synchronization, will then remain idle between frame displays. (In other words, the maximum frame-rate possible during replay is the rate at which the frames arrived at the recorder during the original transmission; So a faster link doesn't really help). A lower bandwidth during replay, on the other hand, requires the replay program to avoid sending some frames intermittently, (the way nv controls the b/w used) but - following the "simple" ways of doing things (which has always been the philosophy of the Internet) it is better not to load the replay program with this additional, slightly irrelevant, responsibility. We just assume that the same link capacity is available as it was during the original transmission. My point in this mail is that the RTP header must include another ---------------------------------------------------------------- field, which must be the actual time at which each packet is sent. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This is for the purpose of supporting a simple mechanism for recording and replaying media transmitted during conferences. Thanks for reading. Please let me know where I am wrong, if I am. - Kannan PS : I am not on this mailing list, so please send a copy of your response to me. Thanks. PS : Yes, the record and replay programs, together with the machine (which holds the media archive) on which they run, can be called 'a simple audio/video server'. From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 23 03:56:39 1995 Received: from ceres.fokus.gmd.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <20497-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 00:55:53 +0000 Received: from ursa.fokus.gmd.de by ceres.fokus.gmd.de with SMTP (PP-ICR1v5); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:53:30 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: Kannan Thiruvengadam cc: rem-conf@es.net, casner@isi.edu, frederic@parc.xerox.com, van@ee.lbl.gov From: Henning Schulzrinne Subject: Re: hgs@fokus.gmd.de,casner@isi.edu,frederic@parc.xerox.com,van@ee.lbl.gov In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Jan 95 00:56:17 MST." <95Jan23.005618-0700_(mst).13197-2@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 09:53:56 +0100 Sender: schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de > Hello all, > > Basically, I have a comment to make about the RTP Nov 94 spec. > In that process, I may say things that are already well known > to you. Please bear with me and read on. > > I am trying to write record and replay routines for RTP > transmissions. The record program just receives RTP packets > and dumps them in the disk. The replay program reads > the packets and sends them on to the network, to be > displayed on a remote station (yes, the replay program doesn't > display anything; it pretends to be a real source of the > packets so a tool like vic can display the media without > worrying about the real source of the data). The concern > is about *the interval at which packets belonging to the > same video frame have to be sent*. > > RTP (as in the Nov 94 draft) requires that the same timestamp > be used in all packets of one frame. Therefore the rate of emission > of packets (by the replay program) seems to be "uncared for". > I suggest that this be taken into consideration, for, in future, > it will become a regular practice (and necessity) to > record all conferences. And I submit the following argument > for your perusal in this regard. > > It is reasonable to assume identical link capacity (i.e., bandwidth > available) during recording and replaying. This means > packets have to be sent at the same rate at which they arrived. > It is not a good idea to use the arrival time because it > includes jitter. Therefore sendtime is required. This sendtime will > be different for different packets, thus making life > easy for the replay program (It doesn't have to make > any decision regarding the interval between transmission of > successive packets). > > Even if higher bandwidth is available during replay > (between the replay program and the display program), > it does not make sense to send packets faster, because, > the display program, due to intra media synchronization, > will then remain idle between frame displays. (In other words, > the maximum frame-rate possible during replay is the rate > at which the frames arrived at the recorder during the original > transmission; So a faster link doesn't really help). > > A lower bandwidth during replay, on the other hand, requires > the replay program to avoid sending some frames intermittently, > (the way nv controls the b/w used) but - following the "simple" > ways of doing things (which has always been the philosophy of the > Internet) it is better not to load the replay program with > this additional, slightly irrelevant, responsibility. We just > assume that the same link capacity is available as it was > during the original transmission. > > My point in this mail is that the RTP header must include another > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > field, which must be the actual time at which each packet is sent. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This is for the purpose of supporting a simple mechanism > for recording and replaying media transmitted during conferences. > Thanks for reading. Please let me know where I am wrong, if I am. > > - Kannan > Thanks for your note. A few quick remarks: First, for playback applications like the one you mentioned, jitter is not that big of an issue (since playout delay is of no major concern), so that a simple replication of the interarrival time sequence, as implemented in my rtpdump/rtpplay tool set, is often sufficient. This avoids the problem, except for the fact that it would be nice for the receiver to know what kind of delay jitter to expect to avoid having to adjust based on missed deadlines. However, if you would like to play back the sender time sequence, this is also easily accomplished for video. For each frame count the number of packets (based on their timestamp, the marker bit and the sequence numbers). This requires a bit of look-ahead in your read routine. Then, you have several choices: Send the packets within the frame with their original spacing (available from the arrival time stamps), send them back-to-back (bad idea probably unless you have a network to yourself) or count the packets and space them evenly within the frame interval. The latter is probably the best solution in terms of network and receiver loading. None of these require any additional information in packets. The RTP packet header is already getting to be rather long for some people's taste. Thus, there's great reluctance to add information which is derivable at the receiver. In addition, the sending time is of no great interest to the playback app., since it may not represent the "optimal" timestamp. For example, a sender may progress through the image and send packets as they are filled, yielding a burstier arrival pattern than would be "necessary". The playback application can, if it desires, "improve" upon this. Henning ---- Henning Schulzrinne email: hgs@fokus.gmd.de GMD-Fokus phone: +49 30 25499 182 Hardenbergplatz 2 fax: +49 30 25499 202 D-10623 Berlin URL: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/htbin/info/minos/hgs From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 23 06:11:26 1995 Received: from mitsou.inria.fr by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <21558-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 03:10:45 +0000 Received: (from huitema@localhost) by mitsou.inria.fr (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA04762; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:10:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199501231110.MAA04762@mitsou.inria.fr> To: Kannan Thiruvengadam cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: hgs@fokus.gmd.de,casner@isi.edu,frederic@parc.xerox.com,van@ee.lbl.gov In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Jan 1995 00:56:17 MST." <95Jan23.005618-0700_(mst).13197-2@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:10:22 +0100 From: Christian Huitema Kannan, Replay programs are conceptually undisguishable from plain video sources. A replay program shall implement the full mechanism of RTP, including throughput control. Having a send time in the video packet would only be helpful if the same send time was relevant during the replay, i.e. if all replays encountered the exact same conditions. Adding more fields is not mandatory nor useful. It would add an unnecessary overhead. We should not delay the submission of the proposed standard. Christian Huitema From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 23 13:57:38 1995 Received: from lanshark.sv.interop.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <25295-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 10:57:03 +0000 Received: (from ericd@localhost) by lanshark.sv.interop.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA08871; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 11:03:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 11:03:40 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Davis To: rem-conf@es.net cc: falcon@iuma.com Subject: IUMA and House of Blues present: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A VIC/PCM2 broadcast starting about 6:00PM PST. Eric Davis Eric Davis ericd@iuma.com ericd@interop.net Network Roadie Manager, Worldwide Networking Internet Underground Music Archive Softbank Expos/Interop THE BLUES BROTHERS (DAN AYKROYD & JIM BELUSHI), CLINT BLACK, BLUES TRAVELER, STEWART COPELAND, BUDDY MILES AND FRIENDS TO PERFORM AT HOUSE OF BLUES BENEFIT COMMEMORATING JOHN BELUSHI'S BIRTHDAY Robert Zemeckis and Dan Aykroyd To Chair "Belushi Blues Birthday" Event LOS ANGELES - The Blues Brothers (Elwood & Z) are back with a mission from God and will perform with Clint Black, Blues Traveler, Stewart Copeland, John Goodman, Buddy Miles, Sam Moore, Kathy Valentine (formerly of the Go-Go's) and an eclectic group of other top acts on January 24 at a star-studded benefit for the Artists Rights Foundation, it was announced today by Robert Zemeckis, who co-chairs the even with Dan Aykroyd. Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora are also expected to perform. Aykroyd is master of ceremonies for the event - billed as the "Belushi Blues Birthday" - which commemorates John Belushi's birthday. John would have been 46 on January 24. "Brother John B. has sent us a message and we must abide by his dictum: seek the roots of your conviction, then go forth, gaining the support of those leaders who would save our cultural heritage," said Aykroyd. "Artists will perform some old blues songs and donate the recording to a CD. The selections for the CD will be songs not previously recorded by them," said Dan Howell, music director. Proceeds from the event and the CD will go to the Artists Rights Foundation, a non-profit organization formed in 1991 by the Directors Guild of America, the Writers Guild of America (West), the American Society of Cinematographers, the International Photographers Guild, the American Cinema Editors,the ScreenActors Guild and the Society of Lyricists and Composers. The Foundation's purpose is to educate the public about the importance of protecting and preserving film art, gaining recognition of artists' rights and stimulating discussion to help safeguard intellectual and cultural heritage from historical revisionism. "The goal of the `Belushi Blues Birthday' event and, ultimately, the Artists Rights Foundation, is to ensure that the words, images, music and ideas that have been digitalized can be passed on to future generations in the form that the original artists intended," said Event Chair Zemeckis. In keeping with the Foundation's goal of protecting and preserving film art and artists' rights, a demonstration for the guests will show how the Internet can be used as a digital broadcast vehicle. Golden ($500) and Silver ($300) Circle tickets for the event include dinner and reserved seating at the show. Golden Circle tickets also include a VIP reception, hosted by Zemeckis and Aykroyd, at the House of Blues Foundation Room. Both tickets may be purchased through Ted Kaufman at the Artists Rights Foundation (310) 289-5336 and are tax-deductable. General Admission ($50) tickets are for the show only and may be purchased directly from the House of Blues box office at (213) 650-0476. From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 23 15:23:06 1995 Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <26230-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:22:17 +0000 Received: from nestow.cs.ualberta.ca by scapa.cs.ualberta.ca id <13287-8>; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:21:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Comment on RTP (Nov. '94 draft) From: Kannan Thiruvengadam To: schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de (Henning Schulzrinne) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:21:37 -0700 (MST) Cc: rem-conf@es.net, casner@isi.edu, frederic@parc.xerox.com, van@ee.lbl.gov In-Reply-To: <95Jan23.015556-0700_(mst).13198-4@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> from "Henning Schulzrinne" at Jan 23, 95 09:53:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1940 Message-Id: <95Jan23.132139-0700_mst.13287-8+20@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Hello again, The first two points are in response to Mr. Schulzrinne's reply, and the third, to Christian Huitema's. 1. Taking into consideration the fact that an approximate value of the actual send-time can be determined by the receiver [interval(frame,next_frame)/no_of_packets(frame)] a send-time field is unnecessary/redundant in the RTP header. interval(frame,next_frame) can be calculated and stored by a post-processor, soon after the recording is over. Otherwise, as Mr. Schulzrinne noted, looking-(faaaaaar)-ahead will be essential during playback, more so when media from a number of sources is stored in the same file (Successive frames from the same source may not be successive in the file, unless you decide to use different files for different sources). 2. If jitter isn't a problem then using the arrival time of the packets sounds like a simpler solution. (The displaying tool must delay the playback to reduce the effect of the jitter) 3. Regarding whether the playback application should take upon itself all (RTP-related) functionalities of an actual sender (eg: throughput control), I think some more thought must be given to this.(a) To reduce frame-rate, a sender can skip frames just by not grabbing them from the camera. On the other hand, the playback application can not just skip the frames stored in the file. (b) For the other case, i.e. availability of higher bandwidth during playback, you just can't make use of the increase in bandwidth because you don't have more information (than what is stored) to send. I conclude that (2) is a simple solution and (1) is a slightly complicated, yet practical and therefore desirable solution to the problem I brought up in my first mail. A general comment : I just wanted to say deadlines are artificial and should never be a reason for rejecting any proposal that is otherwise considerable. (Do I have to "get real" ? :-)) Thanks and Bye. - Kannan From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 23 15:51:44 1995 Received: from philabs.philips.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <26667-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:50:39 +0000 Received: from wizard.philabs.philips.com by philabs.philips.com (smail2.5/12-15-87/4.1) id AA16456; Mon, 23 Jan 95 15:50:35 EST Received: from loopback by wizard.philabs.philips.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29532; Mon, 23 Jan 95 15:50:34 EST Message-Id: <9501232050.AA29532@wizard.philabs.philips.com> To: rem-conf@osi-west.es.net Subject: mrouted for 4.1.4. Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 15:50:33 EST From: sud@philabs.philips.com Hi all! Is there a version of Multicast extensions to SunOS4.1.4?? Currently I am running mrouted version 3.3 on SunOS4.1.3_U1B. Thank you. Regards, Sudheer. From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 23 17:17:21 1995 Received: from gate.pnl.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <27835-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 14:15:39 +0000 Received: from ccmail.pnl.gov by pnl.gov (PMDF V4.3-13 #6012) id <01HM6T1ETDY800004U@pnl.gov>; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 14:15:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 14:08 -0800 (PST) From: e_najera@ccmail.pnl.gov Subject: MBONE Conference DOE DCCC Applications Working Group To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: rt_kouzes@ccmail.pnl.gov Message-id: <01HM6T1EUSTE00004U@pnl.gov> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Mbone Conference on Friday, January 27, 1995 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (PST) This will be a nv/vat broadcast. This is a national videoconference for the DOE Distributed Computing Coordinating Committee (DCCC) Applications Working Group. for more information on the working group contact Richard T. Kouzes Pacific Northwest Laboratory P.O. Box 999, MS: K1-87 Richland, WA 99352 rt_kouzes@pnl.gov (509) 375-6455 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 23 22:35:58 1995 Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <02668-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 19:35:18 +0000 Received: from grus.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06489; Mon, 23 Jan 95 19:36:10 PST Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 19:36:08 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Macedonia To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Symposium on Interactive 3D Graphics Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For those interested in the ACM Symosioum on Interactive 3D Graphics see below. Mike Macedonia | macedonia@cs.nps.navy.mil MAJ, USA | CS Dept, Naval Postgraduate School, | Monterey, CA 93943 | PH:(408) 656-2903 FAX:(408) 656-2814 ------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- 1995 Symposium on Interactive 3D Graphics Sponsored by ACM SIGGRAPH Symposium Specifics Important Dates 9th - 12th of April 1995 Abstracts for contributed papers due: 15 Oct. 94 Monterey, California USA Acceptance notification: 15 Nov. 94 (Proceedings at the symposium.) Final papers for proceedings due: 20 Dec. 94 The focus of the symposium is on the topic: Where is the frontier today in real-time, interactive 3D graphics ? The purpose of the symposium is to look at what research groups are doing with their high-performance, real-time, interactive graphics systems, to find out what special purpose graphics engines and input/output devices are on the drawing board, to discuss which are the most user-friendly paradigms for interaction with such systems and to learn what applications are still waiting for an appropriate 3D interactive system. The symposium will consist of technical sessions in which formal papers are presented and discussed, and of hands-on demonstrations where research groups and vendors of equipment demonstrate the state-of-the-art in this field. We are particularly interested in such notions as: -- moving through virtual worlds, i.e. visual simulation systems that move us through buildings or cities, over terrain or over the sea at multiple updates per second; -- interactively shaping, building or sculpting objects; or interactive assembly and manipulation of systems of parts, with consideration of ease of use, precision, and physical constraints; -- graphics hardware for high performance interactive displays; novel input technologies such as gloves, bodysuits and tracking systems; display technologies such as projected stereo, head mounted displays, and true volumetric 3D displays; -- techniques for interacting with and displaying information and data in 3D, i.e. methods for displaying non-spatial data such as abstract relationships. -- 3D graphical toolkits and user interface paradigms; higher level methods for prototyping, implementing, and verifying 3D graphics applications. Finally, we solicit contributions concerning systems that demand real-time graphics performance that is not currently achievable, along with recommendations for the development of future hardware and software architectures that may meet this demand. Symposium Chair Michael Zyda, Naval Postgraduate School Program Co-Chairs Pat Hanrahan Jim Winget Stanford University Silicon Graphics Program Committee Frank Crow, Apple Computer Andy van Dam, Brown University Michael Deering, Sun Microsystems Steven Feiner, Columbia University Henry Fuchs, UNC-Chapel Hill Tom Funkhouser, Bell Labs Fred Kitson, Hewlett-Packard Randy Pausch, University of Virginia Paul Strauss, Silicon Graphics Andy Witkin, Carnegie Mellon University David Zeltzer, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Fundraising Chair S. Kicha Ganapathy, AT&T Bell Labs skg@research.att.com (908) 949-7860 Media Coordinator (Video & AV & Demo Machines) Robert McDermott, University of Utah usirjm@red.vis.utah.edu Requests for registration forms should be E-mailed to: Michael Zyda zyda@trouble.cs.nps.navy.mil Naval Postgraduate School Code CS/Zk, Dept. of Computer Science Spanagel Hall 516 Monterey, California 93943-5100 (408) 656-2305 (408) 656-2814 (fax) The symposium is limited to 250 registrants. The registration fee for the symposium is $300 ($350 after January 31, 1995) and $100 for students. That fee includes the proceedings, reception, banquet and lunches. From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 24 05:44:38 1995 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <18515-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 02:44:12 +0000 Received: from shrew.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 10:42:09 +0000 From: Mark Handley Organisation: University College London, CS Dept. Phone: +44 71 380 7777 ext 3666 To: Kannan Thiruvengadam cc: schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de (Henning Schulzrinne), rem-conf@es.net, casner@isi.edu, frederic@parc.xerox.com, van@ee.lbl.gov, S.Clayman@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: Comment on RTP (Nov. '94 draft) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Jan 95 13:21:37 MST." <95Jan23.132139-0700_mst.13287-8+20@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 10:39:35 +0000 Message-ID: <4405.790943975@cs.ucl.ac.uk> Sender: M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk >The first two points are in response to Mr. Schulzrinne's >reply, and the third, to Christian Huitema's. > >1. Taking into consideration the fact that an approximate >value of the actual send-time can be determined by the >receiver [interval(frame,next_frame)/no_of_packets(frame)] >a send-time field is unnecessary/redundant in the RTP >header. > >interval(frame,next_frame) can be calculated and stored by >a post-processor, soon after the recording is over. Otherwise, >as Mr. Schulzrinne noted, looking-(faaaaaar)-ahead will be >essential during playback, more so when media from a >number of sources is stored in the same file (Successive >frames from the same source may not be successive in the file, >unless you decide to use different files for different sources). You can always "post-process" the recording on the fly to reorder the packets in the stream you record to disc. Unless you do this, then successive packets from the same from don't necessarily get stored together. It's probably easier to do it then than at playback because there's no real-time contraint on when you actually write to the disc. If you're doing this anyway, then calculating the interval(frame,next_frame) is no big deal. Actually though, I don't have any real problem with using one file per source, and an index track to sync everything up again. If you want to post-process the actual data, then this definitely makes things simpler. Stuart Clayman here at UCL is doing just such a thing. >2. If jitter isn't a problem then using the arrival time >of the packets sounds like a simpler solution. (The displaying >tool must delay the playback to reduce the effect of the jitter) Maybe you mean use the arrival time of the packet to determine it's playback, but use a (possibly modified) original sender timestamp as the playback RTP timestamp. In which case fine. If you mean use an arrival timestamp as the playback RTP timestamp I disagree with you because you lose the only data you have to do inter-stream synchronisation at the playback receiver. >3. Regarding whether the playback application should take upon >itself all (RTP-related) functionalities of an actual sender >(eg: throughput control), I think some more thought must be given >to this.(a) To reduce frame-rate, a sender can skip frames just by not >grabbing them from the camera. On the other hand, the playback application >can not just skip the frames stored in the file. This is one reason why you might want to post-process the received data, and thus why you might want to store each source in a separate file. Mark From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 24 16:47:55 1995 Received: from philabs.philips.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <02165-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 13:42:55 +0000 Received: from wizard.philabs.philips.com by philabs.philips.com (smail2.5/12-15-87/4.1) id AA12265; Tue, 24 Jan 95 16:42:51 EST Received: from loopback by wizard.philabs.philips.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02402; Tue, 24 Jan 95 16:42:47 EST Message-Id: <9501242142.AA02402@wizard.philabs.philips.com> To: rem-conf@osi-west.es.net Subject: mrouted for 4.1.4 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 16:42:46 EST From: sud@philabs.philips.com Hi all! I am trying to install Multicast extensions for SunOS4.1.4 on a sparc machine. The template being used is SunOS4.1.3_U1B. The following error occurs while building the kernel. Undefined symbol: legal_vif_num. Fatal error: comman failed for target `vmunix` How can I get around this?? Thank you in advance. Regards, Sudheer. From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 24 17:38:14 1995 Received: from heliostat.uchicago.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <02919-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 14:37:38 +0000 Received: (khopper@localhost) by heliostat.uchicago.edu (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA00748; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 16:37:33 -0600 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 16:37:33 -0600 From: khopper@midway.uchicago.edu Message-Id: <199501242237.QAA00748@heliostat.uchicago.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: latest mrouted for Solaris 2.4 ? Cc: vic@ee.lbl.gov Reply-To: k-hopper@uchicago.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII The Solaris 2.4 upgrade to my 2.3 system broke all my mbone access. Vic comes up and shows video O.K. locally, but I don't see any updates to sd and consequently no MBONE activity at all. I am looking for a version of mrouted for Solaris 2.4 but I suspect something else in my system is set wrong. Suggestions ? RTFM ? Thanks, Ken Hopper The University of Chicago Academic Information Technologies (v) (312)-702-2787 email: k-hopper@uchicago.edu (f) (312)-702-3219 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 24 20:39:30 1995 Received: from Sun.COM by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <05551-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 17:38:32 +0000 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM ([129.145.1.18]) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA22057; Tue, 24 Jan 95 17:38:25 PST Received: from jurassic.Eng.Sun.COM (camilla) by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1(1/24/94)/SMI-4.1) id AA00457; Tue, 24 Jan 95 17:38:13 PST Received: from bobo.Eng.Sun.COM by jurassic.Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6.9/SMI-SVR4) id RAA14324; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 17:38:23 -0800 Received: by bobo.Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6.9/SMI-SVR4) id RAA26333; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 17:38:02 -0800 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 17:38:02 -0800 From: nordmark@jurassic-248.Eng.Sun.COM (Erik Nordmark) Message-Id: <199501250138.RAA26333@bobo.Eng.Sun.COM> To: k-hopper@uchicago.edu Subject: Re: latest mrouted for Solaris 2.4 ? Cc: vic@ee.lbl.gov, rem-conf@es.net Mime-Version: 1.0 > The Solaris 2.4 upgrade to my 2.3 system broke > all my mbone access. You could be subject to the bug in the included mail message. Erik ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From list-mgr@ISI.EDU Wed Nov 9 19:10 PST 1994 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:46:39 -0800 From: nordmark@jurassic-248.Eng.Sun.COM (Erik Nordmark) To: Charles@peach.net Subject: Re: querier interface not working Cc: mbone@ISI.EDU, nordmark@bobo.Eng.Sun.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1049 X-Lines: 29 > > I am attempting to setup a new mrouter, a Sparc 20 running 2.4. > > I failed to mention, I am using mrouted 2.2 (ELF version). > > > > > The tunnel is passing traffic, however I can not get any multicast traffic > > on the local ethernet, or on the mrouter under Openwin. There is a pesky bug in Solaris 2.4 with these symptoms that we recently discovered here at Sun. If you check the netstat -s output you'll see that all membership reports are thought to be invalid. The "membership reports received with invalid field(s)" count is equal to the "membership reports received" count. The bug is caused by a 'if (!IN_CLASSD(..' test that was accidentally turned into a 'if (IN_CLASSD( ..' test as part of cleaning up byte order issues in IP. Bugid: 1178985 Multicast routing broken in Solaris 2.4 The patchid 101969-06 (sparc) and 101970-06 (x86). For easy access I've put up the patches for anonymous ftp as on playground.sun.com as: pub/multicast/patches/101969-06.tar pub/multicast/patches/101970-06.tar Erik Nordmark ----- End Included Message ----- From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 24 21:11:17 1995 Received: from lanshark.sv.interop.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <05776-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 18:10:39 +0000 Received: (from ericd@localhost) by lanshark.sv.interop.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA17607; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 18:17:17 -0800 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 18:17:16 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Davis To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: House of Blues Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This event will start appx.. 9:00PM PST, not 7:00 as previously mentioned. Eric Davis From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 24 21:43:39 1995 Received: from baker.nwnet.net by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <06027-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 18:42:38 +0000 Received: by baker.nwnet.net (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04420; Tue, 24 Jan 95 18:39:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 18:39:58 -0800 (PST) From: David Comay To: k-hopper@uchicago.edu Cc: rem-conf@es.net, vic@ee.lbl.gov Subject: Re: latest mrouted for Solaris 2.4 ? In-Reply-To: <199501242237.QAA00748@heliostat.uchicago.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ken, solaris 2.4 has a bug which breaks multicast routing. you need to apply the latest versions of either patch 101969-XX (for sparc) or 101970-XX (for x86). there are versions of these patches available in ftp://playground.sun.com/pub/multicast/patches the README that accompanies these patches says: IP Multicast routing does not work correctly in 2.4. The (publicly available) mrouted program does not receive any IGMP_HOST_MEMBERSHIP_REPORT messages due to the kernel incorrectly thinking that these messages are malformed. a mrouted that will work with 2.3 and perhaps 2.4 is available as ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/mrouted-2.2/mrouted.tar.Z you'll need to apply some patches to get mrouted working under solaris. they can be found either at ftp://ftp.css.gov/pub/dsc/mrouted.solaris2.3.pch.Z or at ftp://ftp.ucs.ed.ac.uk/pub/videoconference/mrouted/mrouted.solaris2.3.pch.Z good luck, dsc On Tue, 24 Jan 1995 khopper@midway.uchicago.edu wrote: > The Solaris 2.4 upgrade to my 2.3 system broke > all my mbone access. > > Vic comes up and shows video O.K. locally, but > I don't see any updates to sd and consequently > no MBONE activity at all. > > I am looking for a version of mrouted for Solaris 2.4 > but I suspect something else in my system is set > wrong. > > Suggestions ? RTFM ? > > Thanks, > > Ken Hopper The University of Chicago > Academic Information Technologies (v) (312)-702-2787 > email: k-hopper@uchicago.edu (f) (312)-702-3219 > From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 25 03:57:23 1995 Received: from cs.tut.fi by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <08435-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 00:56:54 +0000 Received: from isosotka.cs.tut.fi (mit@isosotka.cs.tut.fi [130.230.17.14]) by cs.tut.fi (8.6.9/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA00917; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 11:00:06 +0200 From: Tsokkinen Mikko Received: (mit@localhost) by isosotka.cs.tut.fi (8.6.8/8.6.4) id LAA04010; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 11:00:14 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 11:00:14 +0200 Message-Id: <199501250900.LAA04010@isosotka.cs.tut.fi> To: Toerless Eckert Cc: Toerless.Eckert@Informatik.Uni-Erlangen.de, rem-conf@es.net, schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de (Henning Schulzrinne) Subject: Re: looking for videoconference camera In-Reply-To: <199501181737.AA11270@faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <199501181733.AA09986@faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <199501181737.AA11270@faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Toerless Eckert writes: >> I just bought a few Toshiba cameras, size of a large deck of cards. > >Thanks, i got one of these too (from sun). Found out lately too that they are >from toshiba. From our experience the model we got has very bad color, >i.e.: everything looked greenish. The fix-fokus lens give you even >more of the fish-eye effect, so i really hate that camera. Only plus: >the case is really cute, but you have to put it on top of your monitor. I agree. Colors are bad and the picture is not sharp, I do not recommend these to anyone. Cheers Mikko Tsokkinen xxxxx Mit mit@cs.tut.fi "Duct tape is like the force... It has a light side, and a dark side, and it holds the universe together..." From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 25 04:31:35 1995 Received: from mailsun.aber.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <08759-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 01:31:12 +0000 Received: from mailhost.aber.ac.uk (actually host thorbb.dcs.aber.ac.uk) by mailsun.aber.ac.uk with SMTP (XTPPst-c); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:29:36 +0000 To: ron@nuku.nosc.mil cc: mbone@ISI.EDU, rem-conf@es.net, cooper@nuku.nosc.mil, dap@aber.ac.uk Subject: Re: IP Multicast for 4.1.4? In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 18 Jan 1995 09:29:34 -0800. <9501181729.AA03774@neko.nosc.mil> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:29:18 +0000 Message-ID: <10172.791026158@mailhost.aber.ac.uk> From: D E PRICE Dear Ron, A few days agao, I posted on this same topic and received the following from a Sun man.... Dave Price Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:48:08 -0800 From: nordmark@jurassic-248.Eng.Sun.COM (Erik Nordmark) Message-Id: <199501192148.NAA11351@bobo.Eng.Sun.COM> To: dap@aber.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrading to 3.3 (Was: IMS audio dropouts, ...) Cc: mbone@ISI.EDU, nordmark@jurassic-248.Eng.Sun.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 > I must say that I am specifically holding back > on an upgrade to `3.3' hoping that I can just install > Solaris 2.4. There must be many other like this. > > Can we not get an `official' verdict + test verification > of what Solaris 2.4 will give us? Solaris 2.4 does not contain 3.3 multicast support. We are currently working on 3.3. When this work is done and tested we plan on making 3.3 available (pick it up using FTP) for Solaris 2.3 and 2.4. Erik Nordmark Internet Engineering SunSoft From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 25 05:55:48 1995 Received: from mitsou.inria.fr by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09560-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 02:55:16 +0000 Received: (from huitema@localhost) by mitsou.inria.fr (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA11098; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 11:49:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199501251049.LAA11098@mitsou.inria.fr> To: frazier@nps.navy.mil (Larry Frazier) cc: kcohan@mpusd.K12.CA.US, M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: OJ Simpson MOCK trial In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jan 1995 13:24:43 PST." <9501092124.AA28218@nps.navy.mil> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 11:49:54 +0100 From: Christian Huitema Larry, >I didn't see a smiley... I thought OJ Simpson was known to a distance of >about a light year by now... US mass media hysteria does not necessarily propagate to other continents. Christian Huitema From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 25 07:28:03 1995 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <10182-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 04:27:26 +0000 Received: from rodent.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 12:25:20 +0000 To: Christian Huitema cc: frazier@nps.navy.mil (Larry Frazier), kcohan@mpusd.K12.CA.US, M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: OJ Simpson MOCK trial In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jan 95 11:49:54 +0100." <199501251049.LAA11098@mitsou.inria.fr> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 12:24:55 +0000 Message-ID: <2072.791036695@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Jon Crowcroft >>I didn't see a smiley... I thought OJ Simpson was known to a distance of >>about a light year by now... >US mass media hysteria does not necessarily propagate to other continents. while mark was being humerous, the joke was a) so obvious it doesn't need a smiley b) OJ is so irelevant to any real problems outside the US and probably outsoide of california that it isn't very funny that we know so much about it that we can make a joke that is so obvious that it doesn't need a smiley for anyone outside the US to get it. jon From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 25 09:16:00 1995 Received: from sas.nersc.gov by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <16441-0@osi-east.es.net>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 06:15:34 +0000 Received: from Aiken.er.doe.gov by sas.nersc.gov with SMTP (1.37.109.11/16.3) id AA150313333; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 06:15:33 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 06:15:33 -0800 X-Sender: aiken@sas.nersc.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Christian.Huitema@sophia.inria.fr From: aiken@es.net (Bob Aiken) Subject: Re: OJ Simpson MOCK trial Cc: "frazier%nps.navy.mil" Cc: kcohan@mpusd.K12.CA.US (Larry Frazier), M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk, rem-conf@es.net PP-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line Original-Cc: frazier%nps.navy.mil Cc:kcohan@mpusd.K12.CA.US (Larry Frazier), M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk, rem-conf@es.net X-Mailer: >Larry, > >>I didn't see a smiley... I thought OJ Simpson was known to a distance of >>about a light year by now... > >US mass media hysteria does not necessarily propagate to other continents. THANK GOD! Its a shame it draws the attention here that it does - a real circus! bob > >Christian Huitema > > Robert J. Aiken U.S. Department of Energy ER-30, GTN Washington, D.C. 20585 +1-301-903-9960, +1-301-903-7774 (fax) aiken@es.net " Nec Temere Nec Timide " neither rashly nor timidly  From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 25 10:38:09 1995 Received: from fnal.fnal.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <11608-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 07:37:22 +0000 Received: from munin.fnal.gov by FNAL.FNAL.GOV (PMDF V4.3-12 #3998) id <01HM9BW84QW0002WWF@FNAL.FNAL.GOV>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:37:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LOCALHOST.fnal.gov by munin.fnal.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1-m) id AA14667; Wed, 25 Jan 95 09:36:19 CST Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:36:19 -0600 From: Matt Crawford Subject: Re: OJ Simpson MOCK trial In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 25 Jan 95 11:49:54 +0100. <199501251049.LAA11098@mitsou.inria.fr> Sender: crawdad@munin.fnal.gov To: Christian Huitema Cc: rem-conf@es.net Message-id: <9501251536.AA14667@munin.fnal.gov> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > US mass media hysteria does not necessarily propagate to other continents. > Christian Huitema CNN this morning showed a quick flash of overseas newspapers (well, European and Japanese were all I caught) which had OJ Simpson stories at the top of the front page. _________________________________________________________ Matt Crawford crawdad@fnal.gov Fermilab From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 25 11:53:41 1995 Received: from nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <12275-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 08:53:20 +0000 Received: from deneb.cc.nps.navy.mil by nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21477; Wed, 25 Jan 95 08:40:23 PST Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 08:40:23 PST From: frazier@nps.navy.mil (Larry Frazier) Message-Id: <9501251640.AA21477@nps.navy.mil> To: Christian.Huitema@sophia.inria.fr, J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: OJ Simpson MOCK trial Cc: frazier@nps.navy.mil, kcohan@mpusd.K12.CA.US, M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk, rem-conf@es.net I guess from my perspective, I didn't know how obvious the joke would be worldwide. Many in the US don't know what others are reading or watching... > From J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk Wed Jan 25 04:24:33 1995 > To: Christian Huitema > Cc: frazier@nps.navy.mil (Larry Frazier), kcohan@mpusd.K12.CA.US, > M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk, rem-conf@es.net > Subject: Re: OJ Simpson MOCK trial > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 12:24:55 +0000 > From: Jon Crowcroft > > > > >>I didn't see a smiley... I thought OJ Simpson was known to a distance of > >>about a light year by now... > > >US mass media hysteria does not necessarily propagate to other continents. > > while mark was being humerous, the joke was > a) so obvious it doesn't need a smiley > b) OJ is so irelevant to any real problems outside the US and probably > outsoide of california that it isn't very funny that we know so much > about it that we can make a joke that is so obvious that it doesn't > need a smiley for anyone outside the US to get it. > > jon > > From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 25 14:51:01 1995 Received: from tweety.CS.Berkeley.EDU by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <14244-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 11:50:13 +0000 Received: from tweety.cs.berkeley.edu (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by tweety.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.3) with ESMTP id LAA08054; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 11:50:07 -0800 From: Larry Rowe Message-Id: <199501251950.LAA08054@tweety.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.1 12/2/94 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: UV Berkeley MM/Graphics Seminar Announcement Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 11:50:02 -0800 MULTIMEDIA AND GRAPHICS SEMINAR UC Berkeley's ``Electronic Environmental Library'' Project Robert Wilensky Computer Science Division - EECS U.C. Berkeley Date: Jan 27, 1995 Time: 2-3:30 Room: 405 Soda Hall Digital libraries offer the opportunity for a radically new set of services quite unlike traditional libraries. In particular, the concept of a limited intermediary is replaced by a distributed system that can make all available material universally accessible. For this vision of digital libraries to emerge, we are focussing on the following critical technologies: (1) Fully automated indexing and intelligent retrieval, (2) data base technology to support digital library applications, (3) more effective protocols for client/server information retrieval, (4) data acquisition technology, (5) compression for networked browsing, and (6) new paradigms of user interaction. To explore these technologies, we are creating a ``California Electronic Environmental Library''. This is a large collection of diverse kinds of data about the environment. We have also brought together a consortium of data providers and data users. It is our intention is that our library will become a national resource, and that our prototype serve as the basis for a full-scale state-wide environmental information system. ------------ This seminar will be broadcast on the MBONE starting around 2:15. 405 Soda Hall is a relatively small seminar room (approx. 25 seats). The MBONE transmission will be displayed in the Hogan Room in Cory Hall. Folks at Berkeley might want to attend the seminar in that room or watch the seminar on your workstation, if it can receive MBONE transmissions. For further information on accessing the MBONE contact Steve McCanne (mccanne@cs) or Rob McNicholas (robm@ataraxia.EECS.Berkeley.EDU). From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 25 18:05:37 1995 Received: from trout.nosc.mil by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <17354-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 15:05:01 +0000 Received: from cod.nosc.mil by trout.nosc.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28796; Wed, 25 Jan 95 15:04:55 PST Received: by cod.nosc.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00659; Wed, 25 Jan 95 15:04:37 PST Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 15:04:37 PST From: cooper@cod.nosc.mil (Steven E. Cooper) Message-Id: <9501252304.AA00659@cod.nosc.mil> To: sud@philabs.philips.com Cc: rem-conf@osi-west.es.net Subject: Re: mrouted for 4.1.4 ------- While installing the 3.3 multicast release under SunOS 4.1.4 I ran into this same problem... > I am trying to install Multicast extensions for SunOS4.1.4 > on a sparc machine. The template being used is SunOS4.1.3_U1B. > The following error occurs while building the kernel. > > Undefined symbol: > legal_vif_num. > > Fatal error: comman failed for target `vmunix` > > How can I get around this?? To get around the problem you just have to compile your kernel with the RSVP_ISI option set. Although this option is mentioned in the README file as being optional it appears to be required for binary-only installs. Evidently .../OBJ/ip_output.o was compiled with this option defined. Because of this the function, "legal_vif_num", is referenced. But without setting the RSVP_ISI option this function won't be defined (in ip_mroute.c) when you compile your kernel. --Steve Cooper ------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 25 19:00:58 1995 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <18197-0@osi-west.es.net>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 16:00:33 +0000 Received: from can.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-20) id ; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 16:00:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 16:00:47 -0800 From: braden@ISI.EDU Posted-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 16:00:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199501260000.AA17144@can.isi.edu> Received: by can.isi.edu (5.65c/4.0.3-4) id ; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 16:00:47 -0800 To: sud@philabs.philips.com, cooper@cod.nosc.mil Subject: Re: mrouted for 4.1.4 Cc: rem-conf@osi-west.es.net *> *> To get around the problem you just have to compile your kernel with the *> RSVP_ISI option set. Although this option is mentioned in the README *> file as being optional it appears to be required for binary-only installs. *> Evidently .../OBJ/ip_output.o was compiled with this option defined. *> Because of this the function, "legal_vif_num", is referenced. But without *> setting the RSVP_ISI option this function won't be defined (in ip_mroute.c) *> when you compile your kernel. *> *> --Steve Cooper *> ------- *> *> The RSVP changes have actually been used and are believed to benign and to create negligible overhead (I think I convinced Steve Deering of that recently). The purpose of including them in the 3.3 release was to propagate them into the Internet, so when the work of the RSVP and int-serv working groups matures, we can actually start to do resource reservation in the Internet. So setting the RSVP_ISI option might be a useful thing to do. Bob Braden From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jan 25 21:01:08 1995 Received: from viipuri.nersc.gov by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <05423-0@osi-east.es.net>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 18:00:43 +0000 Received: by viipuri.nersc.gov (4.1/ESnet-1.2) id AA17521; Wed, 25 Jan 95 18:00:42 PST Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 18:00:42 PST From: ari@es.net (Ari Ollikainen) Message-Id: <9501260200.AA17521@viipuri.nersc.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: FYI: DESKTOP VIDEOCONFERENCING QUESTIONAIRE Reply-To: aasman@athena.research.ptt.nl Anyone in the IETF community also intimately involved with the IMTC and/or T.120? ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From videophone-request@es.net Tue Jan 24 06:25:10 1995 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 09:25:19 -0500 From: oj@world.std.com (Oliver Jones) To: videophone@es.net Subject: Re: DESKTOP VIDEOCONFERENCING QUESTIONAIRE Newsgroups: comp.multimedia Organization: Vivo Software, Inc. Reply-To: aasman@athena.research.ptt.nl (Aasman J.) Cc: Content-Length: 3774 Reposted from an article in comp.multimedia by aasman@athena.research.ptt.nl (Aasman J.) REQUEST TO FILL IN QUESTIONAIRE ABOUT DESKTOP VIDEOCONFERENCING!!! International Multimedia Teleconferencing Consortium (IMTC) The goal of the recently organized IMTC is to promote the creation and adoption of international standards for all aspects of multimedia teleconferencing. The IMTC is expected to bring a wide range of players in the rapidly emerging multimedia teleconferencing industry. The global telecommunications industry's effort to expand teleconferencing capabilities go beyond audio-only telephone calls. They incorporate a range of new media including video, documents and computer-oriented data to provide the impulse for the adoption of multimedia teleconferencing standards. To achieve the goal of open and widely adopted standards for multimedia teleconferencing services and products, the IMTC will contribute to and promote two suites of International Telecommunications Union (ITU) standards -- H.320 and T.120. The ITU is an agency of the United Nations chartered to establish world-wide telecommunications standards. The H.320 suite of video conferencing standards was ratified in March 1990. the infrastructure set of T.120 standards to support multipoint, multimedia conferencing was adopted in 1993 and 1994. Additional T.120 series standards for conference management, document conferencing and multipoint file transfer are scheduled to be ratified during 1995. Several major companies are member of IMTC such as, Aethra, Alcatel, Apple, AT&T, BT, DataBeam, Deutsche Telekom, Dornier, Ericsson, France Telecom, HP, IBM, Intel, Matra, Motorola, NEC, Northern Telecom, NTT, PictureTel, Polycom, PTT Telecom Netherlands, Stentor, Telefonica, VideoServer , ViVo, Vtel. Resently MicroSoft has shown interest in taking part of IMTC. The IMTC is sub-divided into several activity groups such as API, MCU, Network and Customer requirements. The letter you are reading is from the Customer Requirements Activity Group. The goal of this group is to find out what customers want from future multimedia teleconferencing applications. We designed a questionairre that has been spread out in a broad range of businesses. In addition we also want to ask you, as a probable expert in this area, to fill in this questionnaire. How to obtain this questionnaire: reply to this letter and we will send you the questionnaire via email or via physical mail. [ ] I want to receive the questionnaire via physical mail, my address is: -------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- [ ] I want to receive the questionnaire via email Because the questionairre is full of tables and formatting, we cannot send you an ascii version, so indicate what type of file you want to receive (you may choose multiple options). [] Uuencoded version for Word for MS-DOS 3.x-5.x [] Uuencoded version for Word for MS-DOS 6.0 [] Uuencoded version for Word for Mac 4.0 [] Uuencoded version for Word for Mac 5.0 [] Uuencoded version for Word for Mac 5.1 [] Uuencoded version for Word for Mac 6.0 [] Uuencoded version for Wordperfect 5.0 [] Uuencoded version for Wordperfect 5.1 [] Uuencoded version for Wordperfect 5.x for Windows [] RTF version [] RTF-DCA You can send the filled-in questionairre by post to J. Aasman PTT Research ITB Postbox 421 2260 AK Leidschendam The Netherlands or you can use the above Email address: J.Aasman@research.ptt.nl Please use uuencode if you do not use RTF Many thanks in advance for helping us Jans Aasman (PTT Research, The Netherlands) Ben Schuurink (PTT Telecom, The Netherlands) ----- End Included Message ----- From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 26 06:36:55 1995 Received: from mgate.uni-hannover.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <24190-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 03:36:28 +0000 Received: from helios.tnt.uni-hannover.de by mgate.uni-hannover.de with SMTP (PP); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 12:38:08 +0100 Received: from ikarus.tnt.uni-hannover.de by helios.tnt.uni-hannover.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25818; Thu, 26 Jan 95 12:36:10 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 12:36:10 +0100 From: bloemer@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Arnold Bloemer) Message-Id: <9501261136.AA25818@helios.tnt.uni-hannover.de> To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net, mbone-de@informatik.uni-erlangen.de Subject: MBone Demo Session, Today 13:45 - 14:15 MET (GMT+1) Cc: gruen@rvs.uni-hannover.de My boss just told me, that I should give a short MBone demo to some guests. Sorry for the very late announcement. The session is announced via sd. We will use vat, vic and wb. Please join in if you like! A test will take place from 13:45 - 14:00 MET (GMT+1), the demo approximately from 14:00 - 14:15 MET (GMT+1). If there are any conflicts with other sessions, please send me a mail, I would then lower ttl. Arnold P.S.: I would like to demonstrate the h261 mode of vic. If you haven't got vic, it is available from ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov:/conferencing/vic ________________________________________________________________________________ Dipl.-Ing. Arnold Bloemer Universitaet Hannover Institut fuer Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik und Informationsverarbeitung bloemer@tnt.uni-hannover.de Appelstrasse 9A fax: +49 511 762-5333 D-30167 Hannover phone: +49 511 762-5320 Germany ________________________________________________________________________________ From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 26 14:11:09 1995 Received: from inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <28100-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 11:10:40 +0000 Received: from bitski.pa.dec.com by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com (5.65/10Aug94) id AA10395; Thu, 26 Jan 95 11:05:20 -0800 Received: by bitski.pa.dec.com; id AA15781; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 11:05:15 -0800 Message-Id: <9501261905.AA15781@bitski.pa.dec.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: redell@pa.dec.com (Dave Redell) Subject: Re: FYI: DESKTOP VIDEOCONFERENCING QUESTIONAIRE In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 25 Jan 95 18:00:42 PST from aasman@athena.research.ptt.nl <9501260200.AA17521@viipuri.nersc.gov> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 11:05:15 -0800 From: redell@pa.dec.com X-Mts: smtp Can anybody explain how this IMTC group is supposed to relate to the MMCF (Multimedia Communications Forum)? At first glance, it looks like mostly-the-same-folks doing mostly-the-same-stuff. Dave redell@pa.dec.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 26 18:02:42 1995 Received: from prdcat.zydacron.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <01456-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 15:02:07 +0000 Received: from dave by prdcat.zydacron.com (8.6.9/2.7master) with SMTP (for ) id QAA03038; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 16:34:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199501262134.QAA03038@prdcat.zydacron.com> X-Sender: dagans@prdcat.zydacron.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 16:30:03 -0500 To: rem-conf@ES.net From: dagans@zydacron.com (Dave Agans) Subject: Please send subscription information X-Mailer: SUBSCRIBE David J. Agans VP Engineering Zydacron, Inc. 7 Perimeter Rd, Manchester, N.H. 03103 USA Phone: (603)647-1000 Fax: (603)647-9470 Video: (603)644-0254 E-mail: dagans@zydacron.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jan 26 21:30:01 1995 Received: from darpa.mil by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <04158-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 18:29:33 +0000 Received: from [192.48.218.154] (next154.darpa.mil) by vax.darpa.mil (5.65c/5.61+local-5) id ; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 21:28:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 21:28:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199501270228.AA14576@vax.darpa.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rem-conf@es.net From: tkalil@ARPA.MIL (Thomas A. Kalil) Subject: ATP program on digital video The Commerce Department's Advanced Technology Program is launching a $120 million program (1995-2000) in "digital video in information networks." Regional workshops are being held in Princeton and Silicon Valley in mid-February. This is a good opportunity to provide technical input into the direction of the program. More information is available at: gopher://zserve.nist.gov:79/1/.menus/.atpconf The program manager is: Hanafy Meleis meleis@micf.nist.gov (301) 926-9524 **************************************************************************** Thomas Kalil "The NII - just do it!" tkalil@arpa.mil National Economic Council The White House Washington DC 20500 (p) 202-456-2802 (f) 202-456-2223 "Your taxpayer dollars at work." **************************************************************************** From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jan 27 03:17:44 1995 Received: from deneb.dfn.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <06811-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 00:17:10 +0000 Received: from moralix.pi.danet.de (pro.danet.de) by deneb.dfn.de (4.1/SMI-4.2) id AA05693; Fri, 27 Jan 95 09:15:58 +0100 Received: by moralix.pi.danet.de (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.17) id ; Fri, 27 Jan 95 09:12 MET Received: from [134.101.60.14] (joker) by mecky.pi.danet.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09857; Fri, 27 Jan 95 09:15:18 +0100 Message-Id: <9501270815.AA09857@mecky.pi.danet.de> From: Frank Raudszus Subject: Re:Re: FYI: DESKTOP VIDEOCONFERENCING QUESTIONAIRE To: redell@pa.dec.com Cc: rem-conf@es.net Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 9:18:52 PST Encoding: 8 TEXT , 30 MESSAGE , 4 TEXT I went through the text and had a similar feeling initially, because the explanation of background sounded somewhat trivial and had no eal "sex appeal". However, considering the company background (PTT NL and many well known names), it might be worthy looking at the questionnaire. In any case the initiative should create a better "mission statement" than that given in the mail. >From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jan 27 00:00:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from moralix.pi.danet.de (mailhost) by mecky.pi.danet.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09656; Fri, 27 Jan 95 00:00:05 +0100 Received: by moralix.pi.danet.de (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.17) id ; Thu, 26 Jan 95 23:57 MET Received: from inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <28100-0@osi-west.es.net>; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 11:10:40 +0000 Received: from bitski.pa.dec.com by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com (5.65/10Aug94) id AA10395; Thu, 26 Jan 95 11:05:20 -0800 Received: by bitski.pa.dec.com; id AA15781; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 11:05:15 -0800 Message-Id: <9501261905.AA15781@bitski.pa.dec.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: redell@pa.dec.com (Dave Redell) Subject: Re: FYI: DESKTOP VIDEOCONFERENCING QUESTIONAIRE In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 25 Jan 95 18:00:42 PST from aasman@athena.research.ptt.nl <9501260200.AA17521@viipuri.nersc.gov> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 11:05:15 -0800 From: redell@pa.dec.com X-Mts: smtp Status: R Can anybody explain how this IMTC group is supposed to relate to the MMCF (Multimedia Communications Forum)? At first glance, it looks like mostly-the-same-folks doing mostly-the-same-stuff. Dave redell@pa.dec.com Frank Raudszus Danet GmbH - Telecommunications & Networking Consulting and Software Development Darmstadt, Germany; Tel: +49 6151 868-130, Fax: -229 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jan 27 11:09:07 1995 Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <10588-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 08:08:44 +0000 Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA07464; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 11:07:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 11:07:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael C. Newell" To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Upgrading to mrouted V3.3 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I looked through my accumulated messages and didn't see an answer to this question, so... I recently downloaded the mrouted V3.3 software to begin upgrading the mbone routers I manage. The instructions included with it, however, only tell how to install from scratch; it's unclear what needs to be done to upgrade from previous versions to the new version. In specific I'm running mrouted V2.0 under SunOS V4.1.3 on Sun 4C and 4M routers. What I'd like to know is a. Do the kernel mods to add multicast support need to be remade? The documentation lists files that aren't changed; do I just replace the changed files then rebuild and install the new kernel (i.e. do I need any options changes in the kernel config file)? b. Can mrouted V3.3 run without upgrading the kernel? (I realize it's probably not a good idea, but I'd like to test to make sure the new mrouted will indeed work before I go through the hassle of rebuilding the kernel.) c. Does mrouted V3.3 operate correctly with V2.x? If not, what are the anomolies to be expected? And, most important, d. Is V3.3 stable enough to warrant upgrading, or should we wait for the next release? Thanks for your help, Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | |+1-202-434-8954 | else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jan 27 13:23:30 1995 Received: from mgate.uni-hannover.de by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <12357-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 10:22:51 +0000 Received: from helios.tnt.uni-hannover.de by mgate.uni-hannover.de with SMTP (PP); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 19:24:39 +0100 Received: from ikarus.tnt.uni-hannover.de by helios.tnt.uni-hannover.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29248; Fri, 27 Jan 95 19:22:41 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 19:22:41 +0100 From: bloemer@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Arnold Bloemer) Message-Id: <9501271822.AA29248@helios.tnt.uni-hannover.de> To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: CeBIT'95 Fair MBone Activities Preannouncement of CeBIT'95 Fair MBone Activities ------------------------------------------------- We are planning major MBone activities for CeBIT'95 fair. CeBIT'95 Fair will take place from 8-MAR-1995 until 15-MAR-1995. CeBIT fair is the world-wide largest and leading fair on information technology, telecommunication and networking. This year there will be over 6000 exhibitors from 57 countries and probably over 675,000 visitors. A special attraction will be the 'NEWS NET', which will be the largest network ever shown on a fair, integrating such different technologies as ATM-, FDDI-, Ethernet- and Token Ring on systems from a lot of vendors. On top of NEWS NET we will install an MBone Net which will cover the whole fair ground. This net will be connected to the Internet via a 2 Mbit/s connection to the WIN (German Research Network) which will be provided by the DFN (German Research Association). The connection to the international MBone will be realized via a 512 Kb/s tunnel to RRZN Hannover. The central point of all MBone activities on CeBIT will be the booth of the 'Greater Hannover Association' (Hall 22, Booth B15) and I am responsible for the organisation and coordination. So far the following organisations will participate in the MBone CeBIT Net: - Greater Hannover Association - European Advanced Networking Test Center (EANTC) (TU Berlin) - MICE National Support Center - Germany (RUS Stuttgart) - TNT at the booth of SUN Microsystems - TNT at the booth of University of Hannover If anybody else would like to show MBone technology on CeBIT'95 fair, we invite him to particpate in our net. Please contact me. We plan to setup two channels, one high bandwidth channel for the local CeBIT Net and one low bandwidth channel with world-wide reach. On the international channel we plan the following activities: - Report on Demand This will certainly be our most interesting and innovative MBone service. We will invite all MBone members to express wishes for reports on any CeBIT related topics they are interested in. Our local reporter team will then go out to the booths and do interviews. These interviews will then be send out to the MBone each day at fixed time slots. Language will be English. - MBone CeBIT Forum The MBone CeBIT Forum will take place at fixed times and shall serve as a discussion forum for CeBIT related topics. We will give status reports on what is happening on the fair, answer questions and collect wishes for in depth reports. Language will be English. - Open Forum Unmoderated discussion forum - German TV Programs from CeBIT fair Possibly we will get permissions from german tv stations to rebroadcast their CeBIT reports on MBone. Language will be German. (Anybody out there from CNN or other international tv stations who would like to cooperate with us?) - Videos from different vendors Product demonstrations from different vendors We will setup a WWW Server at the booth of the 'Greater Hannover Association' where we will give detailed information about our activities and will provide fill-out forms for the Report on Demand Service. The WWW server will be announced on the 27'th of February. We would be very happy about any hints, recommendations or comments regarding our MBone CeBIT'95 activities. Please contact me or discuss it on the mbone and rem-conf mailing lists. (I couldn't decide what the most appropriate group for this announcement is because it announces on the one side a major MBone activity and on the other side tries to coordinate MBone activities and tunneling for CeBIT fair. So I send it out to both.) Please tell us also about any other activities which are planned to take place from 8-MAR-1995 until 15-MAR-1995 and how we can coordinate activities. For example: Will there be a broadcast of the shuttle mission which is scheduled in that time range? We hope that the shuttle will take off and that a broadcast will take place which will cover the whole flight. That broadcast would be a major attraction for our visitors on CeBIT fair. But will there be a problem if we send in parallel? Hoping that you will enjoy our CeBIT'95 coverage, Arnold ________________________________________________________________________________ Dipl.-Ing. Arnold Bloemer Universitaet Hannover Institut fuer Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik und Informationsverarbeitung bloemer@tnt.uni-hannover.de Appelstrasse 9A fax: +49 511 762-5333 D-30167 Hannover phone: +49 511 762-5320 Germany ________________________________________________________________________________ From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jan 27 14:13:52 1995 Received: from louie.udel.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <12871-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 11:13:01 +0000 Received: from snow-white-fddi.udel.edu by louie.udel.edu id aa13563; 27 Jan 95 14:04 EST Received: from louie.udel.edu by snow-white.ee.udel.edu id aa00755; 27 Jan 95 14:03 EST Received: from snow-white.ee.udel.edu by malarky.udel.edu id aa05140; 27 Jan 95 1:40 GMT To: "Michael C. Newell" cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Upgrading to mrouted V3.3 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Jan 1995 11:07:40 EST." Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 01:40:29 +0000 From: Ajit Thyagarajan Message-ID: <9501270140.aa05140@malarky.udel.edu> In message you wro te: >I looked through my accumulated messages and didn't see an answer to this >question, so... It is probably because you are responding to the *wrong* list!! Please direct any such questions to the mbone mailing list. I think the request address is mbone-request@isi.edu Please look int ftp.udel.edu:/pub/people/ajit/ for ipmulticast distribution and installation instructions. > c. Does mrouted V3.3 operate correctly with V2.x? If not, what are the > anomolies to be expected? Quite satisfactorily - if you find any anomalies, let us know. > d. Is V3.3 stable enough to warrant upgrading, or should we wait for > the next release? There are a few minor glitches, but they wont interfere for the most part. You can upgrade to 3.3 now and then await the incremental updates to help you upgrade to 3.4 If you have any other questions, let me know directly. Ajit From REM-CONF-request@es.net Fri Jan 27 14:31:37 1995 Received: from pppl.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <13253-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 11:30:49 +0000 Received: from RAX (rax.pppl.gov [192.55.106.12]) by pppl.gov (8.6.8.1/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA00291 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 14:30:47 -0500 From: schechtm@rax.pppl.gov Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 14:23:19 -0500 Message-Id: <95012714231975@rax.pppl.gov> To: REM-CONF@es.net Subject: poor audio quality X-VMS-To: REM-CONF@ES.NET X-VMS-Cc: SCHECHTM I am in the process of putting up MBONE. The quality of my Sparcstation ELC speaker is really bad. I compared .au files played on my machine with a SUN IPC (which sounds like HiFi in comparison). Any advice? Can you replace a speaker/soundcard as easily as on a PC? Should I give up on my ELC and lobby for a better machine? Thanks Nathan Schechtman email: nschechtman@pppl.gov Princeton Plasma Physics Lab phone: 609-243-3465 Princeton, NJ 08543 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jan 27 17:37:34 1995 Received: from bstgw1.bst.bls.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <13659-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 12:13:58 +0000 Received: from bstgw.bst.bls.com by bstgw1.bst.bls.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0rXx71-0000eUC; Fri, 27 Jan 95 15:17 EST Received: from beavis by bstgw.bst.bls.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11876; Fri, 27 Jan 95 15:15:27 EST Received: by beavis (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA16905; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 14:13:58 -0600 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 14:13:58 -0600 From: mike.richards@bst.bls.com (Mike Richards) Message-Id: <9501272013.AA16905@beavis> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: MBONE video hardware for HP's X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 152 HP Multicasters, What's the current video hardware being used in the HP NV/VIC world? Will the "SCSI" HP hardware work with NV/VIC? Thanx, Mike From REM-CONF-request@es.net Fri Jan 27 21:19:33 1995 Received: from iconz.co.nz by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <17537-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 18:19:06 +0000 Received: (craigw@localhost) by iconz.co.nz (8.6.6.Beta6/8.6.6.Beta6) id PAA13649; Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:18:16 +1300 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:18:15 +1300 (NZDT) From: Craig Whitmore cc: REM-CONF@es.net Subject: Re: poor audio quality In-Reply-To: <95012714231975@rax.pppl.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Jan 1995 schechtm@rax.pppl.gov wrote: > I am in the process of putting up MBONE. The quality of my Sparcstation > ELC speaker is really bad. I compared .au files played on my machine > with a SUN IPC (which sounds like HiFi in comparison). > > Any advice? Can you replace a speaker/soundcard as easily as on > a PC? Should I give up on my ELC and lobby for a better machine? > I have mbone running on SLC (faster model of ELC), and I've found the quaility is MUCH better if you plug some speakers into the external speaker. I am using a big stereo speaker at the moment and it sounds great. You might find the ELC is a little slow for mbone stuff as even with the SLC I have the sound/video quality is pretty bad if I am using X windows (not openwin) on it moving windows about. An IPC is a lot better IMHO for it. ______ \/oo\/ .---oOO-\/-OOo------------------------------------------------------------. |Craig Whitmore craigw@ iconz.co.nz southern.co.nz | |National Technical Manager central.co.nz midland.co.nz | |Internet Company of New Zealand status.gen.nz internet.co.nz | | ihug.co.nz | `-------------------------------------------------------------------------' From REM-CONF-request@es.net Sat Jan 28 02:27:57 1995 Received: from home.merit.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <19192-0@osi-west.es.net>; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 23:27:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (ljb@localhost) by home.merit.edu (8.6.9/merit-2.0) with SMTP id CAA03009; Sat, 28 Jan 1995 02:27:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199501280727.CAA03009@home.merit.edu> To: Craig Whitmore cc: REM-CONF@es.net Subject: Re: poor audio quality In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:18:15 +1300." Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 02:27:20 -0500 From: "Larry J. Blunk" > On Fri, 27 Jan 1995 schechtm@rax.pppl.gov wrote: > > > I am in the process of putting up MBONE. The quality of my Sparcstation > > ELC speaker is really bad. I compared .au files played on my machine > > with a SUN IPC (which sounds like HiFi in comparison). > > > > Any advice? Can you replace a speaker/soundcard as easily as on > > a PC? Should I give up on my ELC and lobby for a better machine? > > > I have mbone running on SLC (faster model of ELC), and I've found the > quaility is MUCH better if you plug some speakers into the external > speaker. I am using a big stereo speaker at the moment and it sounds > great. You might find the ELC is a little slow for mbone stuff as even > with the SLC I have the sound/video quality is pretty bad if I am using > X windows (not openwin) on it moving windows about. An IPC is a lot better > IMHO for it. Actually, you've got it backwards. The ELC is faster than the SLC (quite a bit faster really). The SLC uses a 20 MHz oscillator (same as a Sparc 1) and the ELC uses a 33 MHz clock (midway between a Sparc 1+ (25 MHz) and a Sparc 2 (40 MHz)). The IPC uses the same clock rate as the Sparc 1+ (25 MHz), making it slightly faster than the pokey SLC. And just to round out all the sun4c architecture machines, the IPX is clocked at 40 MHz (same as a Sparc 2). -Larry Blunk Merit Network, Inc. From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jan 28 16:53:44 1995 Received: from rpi.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <24187-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sat, 28 Jan 1995 13:53:12 +0000 Received: from hibp.ecse.rpi.edu (hibp7.ecse.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/SMHUB41); id AA28806; Sat, 28 Jan 95 16:53:10 EST for rem-conf@es.net Received: from hibp6.ecse.rpi.edu by hibp.ecse.rpi.edu (4.1/ST26); id AA26093 for rem-conf@es.net; Sat, 28 Jan 95 16:53:09 EST Message-Id: <9501282153.AA26093@hibp.ecse.rpi.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: MSessMon inital release Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:52:28 -0500 From: Paul Stewart Source code and documentation for MSessMon is now available at ftp://hibp6.ecse.rpi.edu/pub/msessmon/msessmon-0.1.tar.gz. I've also placed a couple of SPARC binaries there. >From the README: This is the MSessMon application, written by Paul Stewart (stewart@hibp.ecse.rpi.edu). Installation instructions are available in the file "INSTALL". MSessMon is a multicast-based application that monitors an RTP session in progress and allows a the viewer to chart a visual reception tree of the sites receiving the session. See the "doc/" directory for detailed documentation, and a man page. -- Paul From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jan 28 19:32:44 1995 Received: from tweety.CS.Berkeley.EDU by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <25121-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:32:15 +0000 Received: (larry@localhost) by tweety.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.3) id QAA12175; Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:32:10 -0800 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:32:10 -0800 From: Larry Rowe Message-Id: <199501290032.QAA12175@tweety.cs.berkeley.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: UCB MM/Graphics Seminar 2/3/95: D. Ferrari "MM Network Protocols" MULTIMEDIA AND GRAPHICS SEMINAR Multimedia Network Protocols: Where Are WE? Domenico Ferrari Computer Science Division - EECS U.C. Berkeley Date: Feb 3, 1995 Time: 2-3:30 Room: 405 Soda Hall Multimedia (or, more precisely, continuous-media) networking has become in very few years an area of major research interest. Approaches have been proposed, protocols and protocol suites designed and implemented, tools for video and audio conferencing and video-on-demand systems developed, compression and decompression algorithms studied and exploited. What point have we reached in our voyage towards the eventual goal of all these activities, i.e., the deployment of high-speed integrated-services networks? What are the current trends, and the problems still to be solved? In spite of the dust created by some years of tumultuous efforts by an exploding number of groups and individual researchers in industry and academia, a dust which is still clouding the scene, it is useful to attempt finding answers to these questions. Personal opinions about the service models proposed so far, primarily for network and transport layer protocols, their commonalities and differences, and the trends one can discern in those proposals and their instantiations to date will be discussed. ------------ This seminar will be broadcast on the MBONE starting around 2:15. 405 Soda Hall is a relatively small seminar room (approx. 25 seats). Folks at Berkeley might want to attend the seminar by watching it on your workstation, if it can receive MBONE transmissions. For further information on accessing the MBONE contact see the FAQ (/usr/sww/doc/faq/mbone.faq). From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Jan 29 09:09:54 1995 Received: from techunix.technion.ac.il by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <29367-0@osi-west.es.net>; Sun, 29 Jan 1995 06:09:21 +0000 Received: from comnet.technion.ac.il (root@comnet.technion.ac.il [132.68.48.219]) by techunix.technion.ac.il (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA07103 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 1995 16:08:58 +0200 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 12:30:17 IST From: Inna Ternyak Message-Id: <9501291030.AA21152@comnet.technion.ac.il> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Connecting to MBONE Cc: inater@comnet.technion.ac.il Hello, I am an end-user from Israel (Technion, Haifa) and I want to join in MBONE. Who are the nearest site to me and ready to give me tunnel? Thanks in advance Inna Ternyak, System Manager From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 30 05:12:41 1995 Received: from bitfield.fi by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <06069-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 02:12:13 +0000 Received: from icl-marko by bitfield.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0rYsu8-00006FC; Mon, 30 Jan 95 12:00 GMT+0200 Message-Id: X-Sender: marko@bitfield.fi X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:11:42 +0200 To: rem-conf@es.net From: marko@bitfield.fi (Marko Suoknuuti) Subject: Update my email address Would you update my subscribtion address from: Marko.Suoknuuti@lut.fi to: Marko.Suoknuuti@bitfield.fi From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 30 09:49:10 1995 Received: from spsgate.sps.mot.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <07642-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 06:48:44 +0000 Received: from mogate (mogate.sps.mot.com) by spsgate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA16690 for rem-conf@ES.net; Mon, 30 Jan 95 07:48:42 MST Received: from motsps by mogate (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA22765; Mon, 30 Jan 95 07:48:39 MST Received: from risc.sps.mot.com by motsps (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.1) id AA06446 for rem-conf@ES.net; Mon, 30 Jan 95 07:48:37 MST Received: from riscgate.sps.mot.com by risc.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3) id AA11453; Mon, 30 Jan 95 08:48:33 CST Message-Id: Date: 30 Jan 1995 08:49:48 U From: Joe Duran Subject: subscribe To: packet video X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Subject: Time: 8:44 AM OFFICE MEMO subscribe Date: 1/30/95 subscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 30 12:17:49 1995 Received: from banner.ecn.purdue.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <08847-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:17:17 +0000 Received: from banner.ecn.purdue.edu (salama@localhost) by banner.ecn.purdue.edu (8.6.9/3.5davy) id MAA18626; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:17:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199501301717.MAA18626@banner.ecn.purdue.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:17:14 -0500 From: Paul Salama To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Subscription X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Please subscribe me Paul Salama (salama@ecn.purdue.edu) From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 30 13:06:36 1995 Received: from wdl1.wdl.loral.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09423-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 10:06:01 +0000 Received: from spl42.spl.loral.com by wdl1.wdl.loral.com (4.1/WDL-4.2) id AA06250; Mon, 30 Jan 95 10:05:52 PST Received: by spl42.spl.loral.com (4.1/SPL-SUN-2.05) id AA23069; Mon, 30 Jan 95 10:05:50 PST Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 10:05:50 PST From: rsn@spl42.spl.loral.com (Richard S Neale) Message-Id: <9501301805.AA23069@spl42.spl.loral.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Request for Tunnel Hello, I have been trying to make a tunnel connection to my provider for the last 4 months without success. Because of the popularity and thus the load, they have resisted any new connections even for unique events. Since this will appear to continue for sometime, I am forced to contact the net for help. Could someone provide me with a tunnel? I understand my provider concerns but I (my group) represents a technology research group for the corportation. The information content of many sessions that have transpired would have been very enlightening to some of our projects as well as for general education of our people. Richard Neale rsn@spl1.spl.loral.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 30 14:01:45 1995 Received: from lhc.nlm.nih.gov by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <10081-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 11:00:41 +0000 Received: from billings.csb (billings.nlm.nih.gov) by nlm.nih.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA29519; Mon, 30 Jan 95 14:00:34 EST Received: by billings.csb (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA09353; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 14:01:56 +0500 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 14:01:56 +0500 From: rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.) Message-Id: <9501301901.AA09353@billings.csb> To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Proposed multicast from 3rd Int. WWW Conf. in Darmstadt Germany, 10-14 April '95 Content-Length: 1357 Dear MBONE Colleagues, We are currently planning to multicast from the Third International World-Wide Web Conference, to be held in Darmstadt Germany from 10-14 April, 1995. There is a possibility of doing two simultaneous sessions (if it does not conflict with other groups using the MBONE), though we are concentrating on doing one session well rather than two poorly. We gained much experience through multicasting the Second International World-Wide Web Conference >from Chicago last October; for a summary report, see: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/reports.dir/multicasting.dir/report.html We have been able to start much earlier this time, and think the results will be much better (we were hamstrung in Chicago by a poor Internet connection which we could not test in advance, and a poor audio setup which was out of our control). Please let us know if these dates pose a problem for anyone; we stand ready to work with any other parties desiring to do multicasts during this period. We also hope to set up "remote conference centers" around the world, where groups of people can gather to participate in the meeting remotely via the MBONE. This will require appropriate projection and audio equipment at the remote site. Anyone interested in setting up such a site can get in touch with me via email (rodgers@nlm.nih.gov). Cheerio, Rick Rodgers From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 30 15:02:20 1995 Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <10937-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:01:22 +0000 Received: from libra.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28637; Mon, 30 Jan 95 12:01:49 PST From: brutzman@cs.nps.navy.mil (Don Brutzman) Message-Id: <9501302001.AA28637@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> Subject: Re: Proposed multicast from 3rd Int. WWW Conf. in Darmstadt Germany, 10-14 April '95 To: rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (R. P. C. Rodgers M.D.) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:01:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: mbone@ISI.EDU, rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <9501301901.AA09353@billings.csb> from "R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D." at Jan 30, 95 02:01:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 827 We are also hoping to multicast a single session from the ACM SIGGRAPH 1995 Symposium on Interactive 3D Graphics from Monterey California. Home page is ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/SYMPOSIUM_MOSAIC/symposium_mosaic.html We are hoping that the time zone difference will minimize schedule collisions. It might mean that any delayed rebroadcasts from the WWW conference in Germany might be postponed for a week. Currently we are the only event scheduled under April 95 at the MBone Session Agenda page at http://www.cilea.it/MBone/agenda.html Further suggestions are welcome. regards, Don -- Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code UW/Br work 408.656.2149 Monterey California 93943-5000 USA fax 408.656.3697 AUV Underwater Virtual World ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/auv/auv.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 30 20:49:35 1995 Received: from gumby.dsd.TRW.COM by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <03264-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 17:48:58 +0000 Received: from localhost.sp.TRW.COM by gumby.dsd.TRW.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09351; Mon, 30 Jan 95 17:48:55 PST Message-Id: <9501310148.AA09351@gumby.dsd.TRW.COM> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: UCB seminar - 1/27th - recorded ? Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 17:48:55 -0800 From: Dan Molinelli hi - this is dan molinelli from TRW in Los angeles. would like to get my hands on the slides from the UCB conference last week. i tried to catch the conference - but lost our MBONE session announcement for some reason. would appreciate it - osrry to send to the list, but 'robm@ataraxia.eecs.berkeley.edu' bounced. also, di anyone record this seminar? would like to catch a replay. thanks in advanced. dan Daniel Molinelli dan.molinelli@trw.com TRW S&EG/ITS Views expressed here are mine. Los Angeles, CA From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jan 30 23:46:51 1995 Received: from tenet.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <04517-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:46:21 +0000 Received: (from hoofar@localhost) by tenet.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.6) id UAA23820; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:46:12 -0800 From: Hoofar Razavi Message-Id: <199501310446.UAA23820@tenet.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: Re: UCB seminar - 1/27th - recorded ? To: moline@gumby.dsd.TRW.COM (Dan Molinelli) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:46:11 -0800 (PST) Cc: hoofar@tenet.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Hoofar Razavi), rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <9501310148.AA09351@gumby.dsd.TRW.COM> from "Dan Molinelli" at Jan 30, 95 05:48:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 690 >hi - this is dan molinelli from TRW in Los angeles. > >would like to get my hands on the slides from the UCB conference >last week. i tried to catch the conference - but lost our MBONE session >announcement for some reason. > >would appreciate it - osrry to send to the list, but >'robm@ataraxia.eecs.berkeley.edu' bounced. > >also, di anyone record this seminar? would like to catch a replay. > >thanks in advanced. >dan > >Daniel Molinelli dan.molinelli@trw.com TRW S&EG/ITS >Views expressed here are mine. Los Angeles, CA We at UCB have recorded the session and plan to make it available alongside with the lecture slides soon. Hoofar From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 31 01:10:58 1995 Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <05085-0@osi-west.es.net>; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 22:10:32 +0000 Received: from BILL-THE-CAT.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17160; Tue, 31 Jan 95 01:10:27 EST Received: by bill-the-cat.MIT.EDU (5.0/4.7) id AA28928; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 01:10:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 01:10:24 -0500 Message-Id: <9501310610.AA28928@bill-the-cat.MIT.EDU> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: MIT's 6.270 design competition From: John Hawkinson Content-Length: 1696 On Thursday, 2 February 1995, at 6pm US EST, MIT's 6.270 LEGO Robot Design Competition will take place. We'll be multicasting this event with audio and video (vic-format) for about four hours, with a planned ttl of 64. If feels this is too high or too low, please let me know. For address information, please see the sd announcement. A short summary of this year's contest follows. For more information, please see http://www.mit.edu:8001/courses.6.270/home.html. --John Hawkinson jhawk@mit.edu. Preliminary missions to the planet Cerebus have shown it to be completely uninhabitable. Other than a few ore sites, the planet is barren. However, subsequent missions have determined that the ore produces tremendous amounts of energy when transformed into unobtainium (used in critical stages of aglet production). This transformation occurs when the ore is placed into one of the transmutation streams on the planet. Unfortunately, objects in the stream are extremely unstable, so each stream can only transform one piece of ore at a time. Luckly, MIT has recently perfected the j-device. This device allows direct conversion of ore into unobtainium. However, the energy output is menial and the effective range of the device is still limited. Although your company was the first to arrive on Cerebus, your rival quickly followed (damn those antitrust laws!). You must gain the advantage over the other company by stockpiling raw ore, inserting it into the transmuting stream, or by use of the j-device. Time is short and resources are scarce. You have until February 2 to build and program your robot. Plane well: once the robot reaches the planet's surface it's on its own. From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 31 08:18:54 1995 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09094-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 05:18:09 +0000 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA18819; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:19:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:19:31 -0500 From: AVWSHTN@aol.com Message-Id: <950131074243_6018534@aol.com> To: videophone@es.net Cc: videophone-request@es.net, rem-conf@es.net Subject: videophone-request@ES.net Please add my name to your mailing lists: videophone@ES.net rem-conf@ES.net Our company designs and integrates video conferencing systems. Thanks. Eric C Brobeck AVWSHTN@aol.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 31 08:24:04 1995 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09155-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 05:23:18 +0000 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA193308401; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:20:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:20:01 -0500 From: AVWSHTN@aol.com Message-Id: <950131073817_6018637@aol.com> To: videophone@es.net Cc: videophone-request@es.net, rem-conf@es.net Subject: SUBSCRIBE Please add my name to your mailing lists: videophone@ES.net rem-conf@ES.net Our company designs and integrates video conferencing systems. Thanks. Eric C Brobeck AVWSHTN@aol.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 31 09:13:17 1995 Received: from amaterasu.aware.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09507-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 06:12:42 +0000 Received: from ariadne.aware.com by aware.com (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA28739; Tue, 31 Jan 95 09:12:51 EST Received: by ariadne.aware.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA13534; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 09:12:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 09:12:51 -0500 From: shapiro@aware.com (Jerry Shapiro) Message-Id: <9501311412.AA13534@ariadne.aware.com> To: rem-conf@es.net X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII subscribe shapiro@aware.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 31 09:47:09 1995 Received: from gw1.att.com by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09848-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 06:46:00 +0000 Received: from qsun.ho.att.com by ig1.att.att.com id AA04328; Tue, 31 Jan 95 09:45:49 EST Received: by qsun.ho.att.com (4.1/EMS-1.1.1 SunOS) id AA28986; Tue, 31 Jan 95 09:45:19 EST Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 09:45:19 EST From: braja@qsun.ho.att.com Message-Id: <9501311445.AA28986@qsun.ho.att.com> To: announcements.chi@xerox.com, atm@bbn.com, atm@sun.com, end2end-interest@isi.edu, ietf@CNRI.Reston.VA.US, perform@tay1.dec.com, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Call for Papers: Reminder =========================================================================== CALL FOR PAPERS COMPUTER COMMUNICATIONS: SPECIAL ISSUE ON ALGORITHMS FOR ATM NETWORKS =========================================================================== The international data communications research journal "Computer Communications" announces a special issue on Algorithms for ATM Networks Guest Editor: Dr. Bala Rajagopalan AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, New Jersey, U.S.A ATM has been widely acknowledged as the technology for broadband ISDN. Many local and wide-area ATM networks are in use and more are on the way to deployment. While progress has been made in standardizing ATM network access, much work is still underway on resolving many key networking issues. This special issue of "Computer Communications" aims to present and document current research and experience in the design, analysis and implementation of ATM network algorithms. The focus will be on practical algorithms for routing, traffic management, internetworking and allied functions. Relevant topics include: - virtual circuit routing and admission control - multicasting - internetworking - resource allocation - congestion control - policing - dynamic bandwidth sharing - queueing disciplines - performance models - implementation experience IMPORTANT DATES: Submissions due: Febraury, 28, 1995 Author notification: April, 30, 1995 Final Manuscripts: June, 30, 1995 Publishing date: Autumn, 1995 AUTHOR INFORMATION: Submissions made to the special issue should not have appeared in, or been submitted to other archival publications. All papers will be subjected to the journal's usual refereeing process. Papers developed >from earlier conference and workshop presentations are welcome. Prospective authors should send six copies of their manuscript (in English), or an electronic version in postscript form (preferred), to the guest editor: Dr. Bala Rajagopalan AT&T Bell Laboratories, Rm 1F-401A 101 Crawfords Corner Road Holmdel, NJ 07733 U.S.A Tel: +1 908 949 8017; Fax: +1 908 949 1726; Email: braja@qsun.att.com Authors are advised to consult the journal's 'Notes for Authors Submitting on Disk', published in the journal or available from the General Editor (PO Box 31, Market Harborough, Leics LE16 9RQ, UK) or from the US Editor (Raj Yavatkar, Department of Computer Science, University of Kentucky, 40506-0046, USA, raj@dcs.uky.edu) before submitting their papers. Publication guidelines are also available in the world-wide web, at http://www.elsevier.nl/ From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 31 10:03:13 1995 Received: from dxmint.cern.ch by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09962-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 07:02:16 +0000 Received: from dxcoms.cern.ch by dxmint.cern.ch (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27412; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 16:01:50 +0100 Received: by dxcoms.cern.ch (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27297; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 16:01:48 +0100 Message-Id: <9501311501.AA27297@dxcoms.cern.ch> Subject: LEP2 Workshop MBONE announcement To: rem-conf@es.net (rem-conf Distribution List) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 16:01:48 +0100 (MET) From: Christian Isnard - CERN/CN/CS Cc: noc@dxmint.cern.ch X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23 DXCOMS1] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1485 Following a late request by the UK High Energy Physics community, CERN plans to broadcast the FIRST GENERAL MEETING OF THE LEP2 WORKSHOP on Thursday 2nd and Friday 3rd February over MBONE Due to limited manpower resources, this broadcast will be performed on a best effort basis. An announcement will be made in sd session directory. LEP2 Workshop Agenda -------------------- Thursday 2 February ------------------- 08:00-08:15 GMT: Introduction 08:20-09:00 GMT: Status of LEP2 09:10-10:00 GMT: WW 10:00-10:30 GMT: break 10:30-11:20 GMT: WW (event generators) 11:30-12:00 GMT: Z-prime 13:00-13:50 GMT: WWV 14:00-14:50 GMT: W mass 14:50-15:20 GMT: break 15:20-16:10 GMT: Standard processes 16:20-16:50 GMT: Bhabha scattering (event generators) Friday 3 February ----------------- 08:00-09:00 GMT: Physics/machine interface 09:00-09:30 GMT: break 09:30-10:05 GMT: QCD 10:15-10:50 GMT: QCD (event generators) 11:30-11:35 GMT: Gamma-gamma 12:45-13:20 GMT: Gamma-gamma (event generators) 13:30-14:20 GMT: Higgs 14:30-15:20 GMT: New Particles 15:20-15:50 GMT: break 15:50-16:40 GMT: Discovery physics (event generators) 16:50-17:00 GMT: Conclusions -- Christian Isnard Email: isnard@dxcoms.cern.ch European Laboratory for Particle Physics CERN - CN/CS/EN Computers and Networks division Tel: +41 22 767 23 94 CH-1211 Geneva 23 - Switzerland Fax: +41 22 767 71 55 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 31 10:41:21 1995 Received: from burdell.cc.gatech.edu by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <10381-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 07:37:44 +0000 Received: from flora.cc.gatech.edu (kevin@flora.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.8.20]) by burdell.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA28456 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 10:37:10 -0500 Received: (from kevin@localhost) by flora.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA02386 for rem-conf@es.net; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 10:37:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 10:37:05 -0500 From: kevin@cc.gatech.edu (Kevin C. Almeroth) Message-Id: <199501311537.KAA02386@flora.cc.gatech.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Other Audio Only Tools Are there any other audio tools, besides vat, which will receive and play audio broadcast over the MBONE? I only need to be able to receive and decode audio packets from MBONE audio broadcasts. Instead of passing the digitized audio to the SUN audio device and its buffer, I'd like to process the samples myself. I would of course prefer to just modify vat, but I need the source to do that. Vat does seem to offer a ``-U'' option, but the CHANGES file says that it is for ``audio input'', and I need audio output. Kevin Almeroth (kevin@cc.gatech.edu) Networking and Telecommunications Research Group College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology http://www.cc.gatech.edu/computing/Telecomm/people/Phd/kevin/kevin.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 31 15:20:59 1995 Received: from bgate.lut.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <05521-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 12:20:12 +0000 Received: (from cojpk@localhost) by suna.lut.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA14668; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 20:16:11 GMT Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 20:01:49 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jon P. Knight" Subject: Re: Other Audio Only Tools To: "Kevin C. Almeroth" cc: rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <199501311537.KAA02386@flora.cc.gatech.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 31 Jan 1995, Kevin C. Almeroth wrote: > > Are there any other audio tools, besides vat, which will receive and > play audio broadcast over the MBONE? > Yep: Anders Klemets (klemets@paul.rutgers.edu) has written a cool set of utilities for recording and playing back vat audio, as well as nv video and wb sessions. The sources for these tools are available and should be on most of the big archive sites - look for vat_nv_record.tar.Z. If you're stuck try but remember that thats on this side of the pond. Jon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jon Knight, Research Student in High Performance Networking and Distributed Systems in the Department of _Computer_Studies_ at Loughborough University. * It's not how big your share is, its how much you share that's important * From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 31 16:08:09 1995 Received: from viipuri.nersc.gov by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <21769-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 12:07:01 +0000 Received: by viipuri.nersc.gov (4.1/ESnet-1.2) id AA24665; Tue, 31 Jan 95 12:06:42 PST Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 12:06:42 PST From: ari@es.net (Ari Ollikainen) Message-Id: <9501312006.AA24665@viipuri.nersc.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: rem-conf archives Reply-To: Ari@es.net A reminder to all that this list is archived on nic.es.net in: pub/mailing-lists/mail-archive/rem-conf ftp> dir pub/mailing-lists/mail-archive/rem-conf |more 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls. total 6838 -rw-rw-r-- 1 9310 0 7554 Jan 31 00:50 .INDEX.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 9310 0 2971 Jan 30 00:50 .INDEX.old -rw-r--r-- 1 9310 0 124 Nov 29 01:55 .IndexLink drwxrwxr-x 2 0 22 4096 Jan 2 03:37 .cap -rw-rw-r-- 1 9310 0 2971 Jan 31 00:50 INDEX -rw-r--r-- 1 7377 22 96338 Aug 26 12:20 rem-conf-1993-01 -rw-rw-r-- 1 7377 22 125223 Aug 26 12:20 rem-conf-1993-02 -rw-r--r-- 1 7377 22 240714 Aug 26 12:20 rem-conf-1993-03 -rw-r--r-- 1 7377 22 117390 Aug 26 12:20 rem-conf-1993-04 -rw-r--r-- 1 7377 22 78700 Aug 26 12:20 rem-conf-1993-05 -rw-rw-r-- 1 210 22 198876 Aug 26 12:20 rem-conf-1993-06 -rw-rw-r-- 1 210 22 311143 Aug 26 14:32 rem-conf-1993-07 -rw-rw-r-- 1 210 22 204105 Aug 26 14:32 rem-conf-1993-08 -rw-rw-r-- 1 210 22 394009 Aug 26 14:32 rem-conf-1993-09 -rw-rw-r-- 1 210 22 372434 Aug 28 11:20 rem-conf-1993-10 -rw-r--r-- 1 210 22 301611 Nov 30 1993 rem-conf-1993-11 -rw-rw-r-- 1 210 22 115349 Aug 26 14:32 rem-conf-1993-12 -rw-rw-r-- 1 210 22 229451 Aug 26 14:32 rem-conf-1994-01 -rw-rw-r-- 1 210 22 290603 Aug 26 14:32 rem-conf-1994-02 -rw-rw-r-- 1 9310 0 356724 Aug 26 14:33 rem-conf-1994-03 -rw-rw-r-- 1 9310 0 341372 Aug 26 14:33 rem-conf-1994-04 -rw-rw-r-- 1 9310 0 457591 Aug 26 14:33 rem-conf-1994-05 -rw-rw-r-- 1 9310 0 339237 Aug 26 14:33 rem-conf-1994-06 -rw-rw-r-- 1 9310 0 247148 Aug 26 14:33 rem-conf-1994-07 -rw-rw-r-- 1 9310 0 316140 Aug 31 17:54 rem-conf-1994-08 -rw-r--r-- 1 9310 0 346541 Sep 30 17:36 rem-conf-1994-09 -rw-r--r-- 1 9310 0 386557 Oct 28 09:42 rem-conf-1994-10 -rw-r--r-- 1 9310 0 429671 Nov 30 20:54 rem-conf-1994-11 -rw-r--r-- 1 9310 0 322760 Dec 29 13:50 rem-conf-1994-12 -rw-r--r-- 1 9310 0 349521 Jan 30 22:10 rem-conf-1995-01 Ari@ES.net _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ Ari Ollikainen {VOX: 510 423-5962} _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Energy Sciences Network {FAX: 510 423-8744} _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ National Energy Research Supercomputer Center _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ MailStop L-561, PO BOX 5509, Livermore, CA. 94551 ~~RECOM Technologies Inc.~~ From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 31 17:03:08 1995 Received: from cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <07014-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 14:02:11 +0000 Received: from scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk (jaw@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.200.48]) by cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA13598; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 22:01:53 GMT Received: (jaw@localhost) by scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA26688; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 22:01:50 GMT Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 22:01:50 GMT Message-Id: <199501312201.WAA26688@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Graeme Wood Subject: Re: Other Audio Only Tools To: "Jon P. Knight" , "Kevin C. Almeroth" In-Reply-To: Jon P. Knight's message of Tue, 31 Jan 1995 20:01:49 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk X-Department: Unix Systems Support, Computing Services X-Organisation: The University of Edinburgh X-URL: "http://ugwww.ucs.ed.ac.uk/~jaw/" X-Phone: +44 31 650 5003 X-Fax: +44 31 650 6552 Cc: rem-conf@es.net > Yep: Anders Klemets (klemets@paul.rutgers.edu) has written a cool set of > utilities for recording and playing back vat audio, as well as nv video > and wb sessions. The sources for these tools are available and should be > on most of the big archive sites - look for vat_nv_record.tar.Z. If > you're stuck try > > but remember that thats on this side of the pond. Yes Jon but you will still need vat to decode the audio that is recorded using vat record. However, vat does allow you to use audio file to output audio and the source to that is publically available. Also, nevot written by Henning Schulzrinne will record data received as an audio file. ============================================================================= Graeme Wood Email: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk Unix Systems Support Phone: +44 131 650 5003 The University of Edinburgh Fax: +44 131 650 6552 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scottish MICE National Support Centre Email: mice-nsc-scotland@ed.ac.uk for your multimedia conferencing support WWW: http://mice.ed.ac.uk/mice/ ============================================================================= From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jan 31 23:41:47 1995 Received: from tigger.cs.adelaide.edu.au by osi-west.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <10996-0@osi-west.es.net>; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 20:41:05 +0000 Received: from chook.cs.adelaide.edu.au (via delivery) by tigger.cs.adelaide.edu.au with SMTP (5.65/UA-5.20) id AA23902; Wed, 1 Feb 95 15:10:58 +1030 X-Authentic-Sender: matthew@chook.cs.adelaide.edu.au Received: by chook.cs.adelaide.edu.au (5.65/SMI-4.1)id AA13851; Wed, 1 Feb 95 15:10:57 +1030 From: matthew@cs.adelaide.edu.au (Matthew Donaldson) Message-Id: <9502010440.AA13851@chook.cs.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: NetBSD multicast utilities To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 15:10:57 +1030 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 650 Hi all. Does anyone know if there exists a set of sd, vat etc for NetBSD on the Sparc? The SunOS ones don't work under binary compatibility. Thanks in advance for any info -Matthew +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Matthew Donaldson Email: matthew@cs.adelaide.edu.au | | Computer Science Department Phone: +61 8 303 5583 _ | | University of Adelaide Fax: +61 8 303 4366 John / \/ | | South Australia 5005 Telex: UNIVAD AA89141 3:16 \_/\ | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+