From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Apr 01 02:35:34 1995 Received: from viipuri.nersc.gov by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <18513-0@osi-east.es.net>; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 19:18:42 +0000 Received: by viipuri.nersc.gov (4.1/ESnet-1.2) id AA02070; Fri, 31 Mar 95 19:18:40 PST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 19:18:40 PST From: ari@es.net (Ari Ollikainen) Message-Id: <9504010318.AA02070@viipuri.nersc.gov> To: videophone@es.net, rem-conf@es.net Subject: FORWARDED: Desktop Video Conferencing on IP networks As this interesting message was sent to the videophone-request address by mistake I'm forwarding it to BOTH the videophone and rem-conf lists... ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From Claudio.Teisa@cselt.stet.it Wed Mar 29 08:27:38 1995 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:39:49 +0100 From: Claudio.Teisa@cselt.stet.it Subject: Desktop Video Conferencing on IP networks To: videophone-request@es.net X-Envelope-To: videophone-request@es.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Sender: teisa@anduril Content-Length: 5627 Hi, I have been requested to investigate on the on the state of the art of the Desktop VideoConferencing on IP networks. I have collected information on ITU-T spec. (H.320, T.120 series), IETF drafts (RTP, RTP packetization of H.261,...) and real products (Bitfield, IBM PersonTo Person/Lakes architecture, Inter ProShare 150/200, C- phone, IVS, Communique, ShowMe,nv, ...). I am now a bit confused, what I seem to understand is: * ITU-T solution is going toward a global defi- nition of a "audio/graphic/visual" conference model independent from the interconnecting networks; the T.120 standards formalize all the objects that form the conference (device, links, terminals, MCUs,...), the work seem to be based on the experience on well "tested" networks like ISDN (mapping of H.320 on T.120 model is often used in examples). The mapping of T.120 on IP networks is, for the moment, limited to a proposed usage of RFC1006 to carry OSI TP0 transport over TCP/IP for the "data & control" traffic; nothing is said (or I have missed it) on the real-time audio/video data streams. T122/T125 (MCS) and T124(GCC) service elements in the T.120 architecture, describe the services necessary to maintain and control the hierarchical structure of the conference (how to set-up, join, release a conference and how to multicast the data among participants). In the T.120 suite there exist also a service element called T-AVC that formalize the concept of audio/video devices and introduce the concept of audio/video stream.; it discuss the relationship of these streams with the available links between the participant nodes, but does not mention any example of how these "stream" could be implemented in the various networks. The relationship AV stream/links, mentioned above, implies, in my understanding, that the multicast of audio/video stream HAS TO BE performed at application level by the MCU elements even if the interconnecting networks allow for such service (e.g. IP multicast). * IETF, on the other hand, with its AVT/MMUSIC working groups is also addressing this subject: the RTP draft (Real-time Transport Protocol - draft-ietf- avt-rtp-07) specifies how the audio/video stream can be distributed end-to-end (typical Transort service) but also gives a specification of how the data exchange can be controlled and monitored to achieve the best quality of service (RTCP protocol). The RTP makes explicit use of the multicast features offered by the IP protocol and so, in contrast with the ITU-T approach, normally the multipoint distribution is made at network level; nevertheless the draft introduce the concept of mixers and translators able to make bandwidth (among different network types) and protocols adaptation (e.g. from multicast to group of unicast address). IETF Multiparty/Multimedia Session Control (MMUSIC - "conference control for both small and large sessions") should also be working on similar scenarios, it seems they survey ITU-T work, it is not clear (to me) if they are working to keep their outputs aligned. ITU-T and IETF seems to be two parallel non converging world, is this true ? If yes,which scenario is most probable to win between the above mentioned (ITU-T solution or IETF/RTP) as far as the IP networks are concerned ? Or is there any chance they they will eventually merge? Looking at the market of DVC products that run on LAN, doesn't help to answer the question; we can find products that make use of RTP as well as products that implement proprietary solutions but claim interest in T.120. Almost all of the RTP like products run on work stations (and so they are not really desktop) and use proprietary Audio/video encodings (apart from ivs that uses H.261). PC/MAC products are often particular case of existing ISDN products (H.320 compliant) , most of them use standard video encoding and proprietary network solution, it is not clear how many of them could currently support multipoint conference. Given this floating scenarios, my question, again, is: what direction is going DVC on LAN? If you feel that the discussion is not of general interest, please answer directly by e-mail, all inputs are welcomed. Claudio +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ______________________________ | | Claudio Teisa / / ___/ ___/ / /_ _/ | | CSELT / /--/___ / ___/ /_/ / / / | | Centro Studi e Lab. Telecomunicazioni /_____/_____/_____/_____/_/_/_/ | | Via Reiss Romoli 274 | | I - 10148 Torino - ITALY | | Phone : +39 11 228-6163 | | Fax : +39 11 228-6190 | | E-mail: Claudio.Teisa@cselt.stet.it | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ----- End Included Message ----- From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Apr 01 02:35:37 1995 Received: from postal.cselt.stet.it by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <28481-0@osi-east.es.net>; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:06:18 +0000 Received: from DN-EI3500 by POSTAL.CSELT.STET.IT (PMDF V4.2-15 #4385) id <01HOR3G29ZVK001U5G@POSTAL.CSELT.STET.IT>; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 15:46:47 MET Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 14:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Claudio.Franco@cselt.stet.it Subject: T.120 series documents To: rem-conf@es.net Message-id: <1DCBA1251BFF408D3B@EI3500.CSELT.STET.IT> X-Envelope-to: rem-conf@es.net X-VMS-To: EI3500::IN%"rem-conf@es.net" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Paul, I'm answering through the mailing list, as I couldn't completely detect your e-mail address from your message. Draft standards about the ITU-T T.120 framework and associated protocols can be retrieved at least in two ways: - using ftp at ftp://ftp.csn.net/ConferTech/ - navigating through the IMTC (International Multimedia Teleconferencing Consortium) www server, URL=http://www.imtc.org/imtc (overview and documents) Hope this is useful, best regards. Claudio From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Apr 01 12:03:01 1995 Received: from pop3.interramp.com by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <10961-0@osi-east.es.net>; Sat, 1 Apr 1995 09:02:41 +0000 Received: from Michael Schoolnik (ip138.new-york.ny.interramp.com) by interramp.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-pop-local) id AA20699; Sat, 1 Apr 95 12:02:27 EST X-Mailer: InterCon TCP/Connect II 2.0.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9504011211.AA02055@Michael Schoolnik> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 12:11:02 -0500 From: Michael Schoolnik To: rem-conf@es.net Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed;boundary=part_ABA2F354004A37CE00000003 --part_ABA2F354004A37CE00000003 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline subscribe --part_ABA2F354004A37CE00000003 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Michael Schoolnik --part_ABA2F354004A37CE00000003-- From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Apr 02 22:54:35 1995 Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <01423-0@osi-east.es.net>; Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:54:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (thorpej@localhost) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.6.8.2/NAS.6.1) with SMTP id TAB16222; Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:54:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199504030254.TAB16222@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: lestat.nas.nasa.gov: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: calegari@imicilea.cilea.it Subject: Reserving time for SIGGRAPH '95/GraphicsNet Cc: rem-conf@es.net Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 19:53:59 -0700 Sender: thorpej@nas.nasa.gov Just used the WWW page at http://www.cilea.it/MBone/book.html, and it managed to truncate my email address and part of my notes...so, I'll go ahead and repeat the pertinent information here: The following appears in the Agenda database (GMT times): ----- 06-Aug 16:00 12-Aug 04:00 SIGGRAPH '95/GraphicsNet Contact: Jason R. Thorpe Use will be mostly during the day; `Interactive Communities', keynote, some paper presentations. ----- Anyhow, some more details about what'll be 'cast; We would like to send out video at least during the day (9am-5pm PDT) in addition to audio. The video will be a tapered-down version of what will be running internally over ATM. In addition to the regular SIGGRAPH/GraphicsNet 'cast, some of ther Interactive Communities may have additional needs wrt. mbone access. As soon as the list of participating ICs becomes more finalized, I'll have more information about this. As for the truncated e-mail address above, the rest of it is here below... Ciao. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Home: 408.866.1912 NAS: M/S 258-6 Work: 415.604.0935 Moffet Field, CA 94035 Pager: 415.428.6939 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 03 06:39:55 1995 Received: from mons.uio.no by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <08354-0@osi-east.es.net>; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 03:39:19 +0000 Received: from ulrik.uio.no by mons.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <03225-0@mons.uio.no>; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 12:38:56 +0200 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: Jon Crowcroft cc: MBONE Subject: Re: Windows version of MBONE Tools In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 31 Mar 1995 18:01:48 MET DST." <10739.796669308@UK.AC.UCL.CS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 12:38:47 +0200 From: Gorm Haug Eriksen Message-ID: <"mons.uio.n.239:03.03.95.10.38.59"@mons.uio.no> Jon Crowcroft klorte ned: -> I've ftp'd this stuff and am trying to run it on a PC -> Dell 450/T (50MHz 486) running Windows 3.11, and FTP Software's -> OnNet 1.1 [sniped] -> I can get neither sd nor nv to receive anything multicast or unicast -> (this is o nthe same ether as other machiens that are receiving video -> and audio fro msessiojs perfectly. I have tested the same programs (using the kernel part in the Onet package v.1.1). I got sd to work fine, but had some troubel with nv and vat. It can look as if you haven't configured the kernel right. (You know that multicasting is off by default?). the advise I would give you is to check that multicasting is on (the config file), and then ping 224.0.0.1 on the subnet and see if your host is answering. If this doesn't work, then turn of all other programs that could interfer with the ip-stack and try once more. Gorm Haug Eriksen USIT / UiO / Norway From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 03 08:36:07 1995 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09472-0@osi-east.es.net>; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 05:35:29 +0000 Received: from sol.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 13:33:56 +0100 To: Gorm Haug Eriksen cc: MBONE Subject: Re: Windows version of MBONE Tools In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Apr 95 12:38:47 +0100." <"mons.uio.n.239:03.03.95.10.38.59"@mons.uio.no> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 95 13:33:52 +0100 Message-ID: <10149.796912432@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Jon Crowcroft >I have tested the same programs (using the kernel part in the Onet package >v.1.1). I got sd to work fine, but had some troubel with nv and vat. ok - i now have sd working but cannot get NV or vat to fly so now its down to video/audio problems in the winnv program, under the conference-id menu, its not clear if what i give should be the source address of the sender or the multicast address+port of the group - if i click on _receive_ after setting the latter, i get a "cannot connect" message.... i'm assuning that the nv is receive only (i.e. doesn't incorporate access to a PC video grabber ) - is that right? (the documentqation is a bit sparse!) >It can look as if you haven't configured the kernel right. (You know that >multicasting is off by default?). the advise I would give you is to check >that multicasting is on (the config file), and then ping 224.0.0.1 on the >subnet and see if your host is answering. If this doesn't work, then turn of >all other programs that could interfer with the ip-stack and try once more. thanks - this was the clue i needed - i had in fact disabled multicast after my previous experiements - re-enabling it in the OnNet kernel fixed the basic problem sorry to the singapore folks for the scare! cheers jon From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 03 09:33:43 1995 Received: from weizmann.weizmann.ac.il by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <10752-0@osi-east.es.net>; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 06:33:14 +0000 Received: from WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL by WEIZMANN.weizmann.ac.il (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1032; Mon, 03 Apr 95 16:32:55 +0300 Received: from WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (NJE origin VSMORTY@WEIZMANN) by WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2780; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 16:32:55 +0300 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 95 16:32:14 +0300 From: "Dr. Morton F. Taragin" Subject: JENC6 To: rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: <950403.163247.+0300.VSMORTY@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL> Fellow Members of the WWW/MBONE/Internet Communities: The sixth Joint Euopean Networking Conference (JENC6) will be held in Tel Aviv Israel from May 15-18 1995. To accomodate those unable to attend we will be multicasting live at least the plenary sessions listed below: (all times are Israel Daylight savings time - Israel is +2hr GMT) Monday May 15 14:00-15:30 (12:00-13:30 GMT) Tuesday May 16 16:00-17:00 (14:00-15:00 GMT) Thursday May 18 11:00-12:30 (9:00-10:30 GMT) We will also be rebroadcasting these sessions during the conference. World Wide Web-servers for the conference are: http://www.terena.nl/ http://www.tau.ac.il/ http://www.weizmann.ac.il/ for further information regarding the broadcasts please contact me. =================================================================== Dr. Morton F. Taragin Telephone +(972)8-342869 Center for Computing Fax +(972)8-344102 The Weizmann Institute of Science vsmorty@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il Rehovot 76100 Israel From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 03 11:20:59 1995 Received: from charon.cwi.nl by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <12887-0@osi-east.es.net>; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 08:20:00 +0000 Received: from ansjovis.cwi.nl by charon.cwi.nl with SMTP id ; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:19:46 +0200 Received: by ansjovis.cwi.nl with SMTP id AA18357 (5.65b/3.8/CWI-Amsterdam); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:19:45 +0200 Message-Id: <9504031519.AA18357=sjoerd@ansjovis.cwi.nl> To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: jack@cwi.nl, leo@tunix.nl Subject: Announcement: NLUUG conference, April 12-13 X-Face: B%:j&7]g4"$vMynoD69B.1j9)PqXC=2G5>D*^>~u#:hx+p/:Up,A&sEtCS|(?PS!&uR0UN\Pg~:No>UPyUO/ehkfLt"v7|*J)!I|Gg,Nq+;G}}?wkQtH5^Xx7+ K+0EuZ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 17:19:44 +0200 From: Sjoerd Mullender We will broadcast the NLUUG Spring conference on the MBone on April 11 and 12. The topic of the conference is "Trends in Networking", and speakers include Andy Tanenbaum, Mike Karels and a lot of people from the "mbone-cabal", see http://www.nluug.nl/nluug/vj95/eng.html for details. We're pretty sure we won't be using more than 128kbit of bandwidth, since the conference will be linked to the net over ISDN. There is a clash with the 3rd International WWW conference (10-14 April), but both parties are aware of this and we will adjust our bandwidth if necessary. Questions/remarks can be directed to me. Sjoerd Mullender, CWI, P.O. Box 94079, 1090 GB Amsterdam, The Netherlands E-Mail: Sjoerd.Mullender@cwi.nl; Phone: +31 20 592 4127; Fax: +31 20 592 4199 URL: http://www.cwi.nl/cwi/people/Sjoerd.Mullender.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 03 12:31:33 1995 Received: from nsipo.arc.nasa.gov by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <15098-0@osi-east.es.net>; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 09:31:06 +0000 Received: from nsigate.arc.nasa.gov by nsipo.arc.nasa.gov (8.6.11/1.5) id JAA17556; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 09:31:04 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 3 Apr 1995 08:34:43 -0800 From: Steve Kyramarios Return-Receipt-To: "Steve Kyramarios" Subject: unsubscribe To: rem conf X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 IDN Communications... Ames Research... Reply to Attn of:... Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 03 14:00:18 1995 Received: from nikki.arc.nasa.gov by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <18743-0@osi-east.es.net>; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 10:59:38 +0000 Received: by nikki.arc.nasa.gov (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for rem-conf@es.net id KAA00920; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 10:08:38 -0700 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 10:08:38 -0700 From: root@nikki.arc.nasa.gov (Super-User) Message-Id: <199504031708.KAA00920@nikki.arc.nasa.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: subscribe subscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 03 15:54:51 1995 Received: from timbuk.cray.com by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <22439-0@osi-east.es.net>; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 12:54:23 +0000 Received: from taurus2.cray.com (taurus2.cray.com [128.162.22.106]) by timbuk.cray.com (8.6.9/CRI-fence-1.4) with SMTP id OAA16350 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 14:54:20 -0500 Received: by taurus2.cray.com (4.1/CRI-5.13) id AA00125; Mon, 3 Apr 95 14:54:16 CDT From: dana@taurus2.cray.com (Dana J. Dawson) Message-Id: <9504031954.AA00125@taurus2.cray.com> Subject: Appropriate Use? To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 14:54:15 CDT Cc: dana@taurus2.cray.com (Dana J. Dawson) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11b-CRI] Hello, First of all, I am very new to this list, so I apologize if this is an old issue. The MBONE is just now starting to become more popular here at Cray Research, and I have been approached about the possibilty of broadcasting an upcoming product announcement over the MBONE. My concern is that this is rather blatantly commercial, even though I've been told that the content would be more technical in nature than a typical marketing broadcast (but these are marketing people telling me this). Anyway, it seems qualitatively quite different than the other topics I've seen and heard of on the MBONE, so I wanted to get a feeling for what the MBONE community thinks about this. As I said, I have not seen the actual video they intend to broadcast (it may not exist yet), but it is primarly a marketing activity. Is this something we should just forget about, or is it a reasonable thing to do? Please send any comments directly to me. Thanks! Dana J. Dawson Sr. Network Analyst Cray Research, Inc. (612) 683-3056 dana@cray.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 03 16:49:08 1995 Received: from koriel.Sun.COM by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <26811-0@osi-east.es.net>; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 13:48:40 +0000 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (koriel.Sun.COM) id AA26566; Mon, 3 Apr 95 13:46:30 PDT Received: from auckland.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA09702; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 13:48:33 -0700 Received: by auckland.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17681; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 13:47:40 -0700 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 13:47:40 -0700 From: Ross.Finlayson@Eng.Sun.COM (Ross Finlayson) Message-Id: <9504032047.AA17681@auckland.Eng.Sun.COM> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: IETF MBone audio is terrible! Reply-To: finlayson@Eng.Sun.COM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII I haven't yet heard any other msgs reporting on the reception of the IETF MBone sessions, but just in case folks at Danvers are not aware of it, the audio quality is terrible. Channel 2's audio is very muffled, and difficult to listen to; channel 1 is filled with noise and completely indecipherable. (I don't know about the GSM channels; it appears they're not being used.) As far as I can tell, the multicast is doing just fine; the problem is with the microphones in the conference room. Unless the audio problems are fixed, the MBone is going to be almost useless for this IETF. (I now wish I'd attended the old fashioned way... :-( Ross. From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 03 20:04:07 1995 Received: from framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <00806-0@osi-east.es.net>; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:04:21 +0000 Received: by framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA10526; Mon, 3 Apr 95 15:04:18 PDT From: booloo@framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov (Mark Boolootian) Message-Id: <9504032204.AA10526@framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov> Subject: Re: IETF MBone audio is terrible! To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:04:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9504032047.AA17681@auckland.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Ross Finlayson" at Apr 3, 95 01:47:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 769 >I haven't yet heard any other msgs reporting on the reception of the IETF >MBone sessions, but just in case folks at Danvers are not aware of it, the >audio quality is terrible. Channel 2's audio is very muffled, and difficult >to listen to; channel 1 is filled with noise and completely indecipherable. >(I don't know about the GSM channels; it appears they're not being used.) > >As far as I can tell, the multicast is doing just fine; the problem is with >the microphones in the conference room. I haven't had much time to listen, but the few times I tuned in, both Channel 1 and Channel 2 audio were unintelligible. Ch 2 was somewhat better, but not much. It sounded as if the microphone were being overdriven. Loss rate was negligible. Video was fine. mb From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 04 08:32:07 1995 Received: from burdell.cc.gatech.edu by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09232-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 05:31:42 +0000 Received: from alps.cc.gatech.edu (kevin@alps.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.8.16]) by burdell.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA09510; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:31:39 -0400 Received: (from kevin@localhost) by alps.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) id IAA06374; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:31:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:31:36 -0400 From: kevin@cc.gatech.edu (Kevin C. Almeroth) Message-Id: <199504041231.IAA06374@alps.cc.gatech.edu> To: booloo@framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: IETF MBone audio is terrible! >>>I haven't yet heard any other msgs reporting on the reception of the IETF >>>MBone sessions, but just in case folks at Danvers are not aware of it, the >>>audio quality is terrible. Channel 2's audio is very muffled, and difficult >>>to listen to; channel 1 is filled with noise and completely indecipherable. >>>(I don't know about the GSM channels; it appears they're not being used.) >>> >>>As far as I can tell, the multicast is doing just fine; the problem is with >>>the microphones in the conference room. >> >>I haven't had much time to listen, but the few times I tuned in, both >>Channel 1 and Channel 2 audio were unintelligible. Ch 2 was somewhat better, >>but not much. It sounded as if the microphone were being overdriven. The audio (from what I have observed) is being captured off the microphone of the video camera... probably not the best way to get a good signal. I'll suggest to the person running the MBONE that they set up someplace to listen to the audio to determine quality. -Kevin Almeroth From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 04 10:17:50 1995 Received: from apple.com by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <10882-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 07:17:28 +0000 Received: by apple.com with SMTP (5.61/8-Oct-1993-eef) id AA12888; Tue, 4 Apr 95 07:17:17 -0700 for rem-conf@es.net From: "Erik E. Fair" (Internet Architect) Subject: Re: IETF MBone audio is terrible! In-Reply-To: <199504041231.IAA06374@alps.cc.gatech.edu> To: kevin@cc.gatech.edu (Kevin C. Almeroth) X-Return-Path: rem-conf-request@es.net Cc: booloo@framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov, rem-conf@es.net Date: Tue, 04 Apr 95 07:17:15 -0700 Message-Id: <12884.797005035@apple.com> Sender: fair@apple.com I watched Carl & the crew try to make the hook up between the SGI workstations and the hall audio system on monday morning, and fail, unfortunately. I expect that using the built-in camera mike is a stop-gap, better-than-nothing solution, and that they'll be trying to improve upon it... Erik E. Fair apple!fair fair@apple.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 04 11:27:38 1995 Received: from afp76.humc.edu by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <12401-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:27:05 +0000 Received: from AFP76.HUMC.EDU by AFP76.HUMC.EDU (PMDF V4.3-12 #9774) id <01HOXNHXI12O0001O8@AFP76.HUMC.EDU>; Tue, 04 Apr 1995 08:25:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 1995 08:25:46 -0800 (PST) From: BCOLE@AFP76.HUMC.EDU Subject: unsubscribe To: rem-conf@es.net Message-id: <01HOXNHXJ3NM0001O8@AFP76.HUMC.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"rem-conf@es.net" X-VMS-Cc: BCOLE MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT unsubscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 04 12:18:13 1995 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <14321-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:17:16 +0000 Received: from waffle.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 17:16:40 +0100 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: IETF MBone audio is terrible! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Apr 95 07:17:15 PDT." <12884.797005035@apple.com> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 95 17:16:32 +0100 Message-ID: <2557.797012192@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Jon Crowcroft well, its unusable here what is the cost/benefit of this? a lot of people are putting in quite a bit of time to setup the IETF casts, yet the benefit to us agoraphones who like to stay home & watch/listen is getting less and less measuring the relative value of the IETF maillist, and the IETF multicast, and the relative costs, i'd say the maillist wins hands down (and the signal to noise ratio on that is pretty high too...) there seem to be 2 problems 1/ analog audio (this is nothing new) 2/ overloaded internet (this one comes around and around) there was a window of opportunity which steves casner&deering took when the internet backbones had increased in speed, AND van's TCP congestion scheme kept all at bay in the face of congestion so that roughly constant rate packet flows like vic 'n vat basically worked now we have web and other massive traffic increases, and competing UDP flows, we can't survive.... when and how can we field some int-serv IP routers at the critical points in the interconnect? they need to be inline, not just tacked on the side the way the mbone has been... it is getting urgent... jon From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 04 14:15:16 1995 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <18178-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:14:01 +0000 Received: from nam.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-21) id ; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:13:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:14:02 -0700 From: lwei@ISI.EDU Posted-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:14:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199504041814.AA20855@nam.isi.edu> Received: by nam.isi.edu (5.65c/4.0.3-4) id ; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:14:02 -0700 To: booloo@framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov, kevin@cc.gatech.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: IETF MBone audio is terrible! > From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 4 08:32:19 1995 > > The audio (from what I have observed) is being captured off the > microphone of the video camera... probably not the best way to > get a good signal. I'll suggest to the person running the MBONE > that they set up someplace to listen to the audio to determine > quality. The email feedback system for audio quality can be improved if the operations staff at the IETF site can listen to the audio at a remote site --- by running a vat mixer (-m option for vat) at a remote site, pointing the unicast buddy back at a host in the conference room. This way the operator can periodically put on a head phone and check the audio quality across the net. This also allows the operator to do 'test 1,2,3' with him/herself over the net before a session starts. -Liming Wei > > -Kevin Almeroth > From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 04 14:25:46 1995 Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <16211-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 10:10:42 +0000 Received: from libra.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14037; Tue, 4 Apr 95 10:09:46 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 10:09:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Macedonia To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Sd on multi-homed machines. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a way to specify and interface with SD? Thanks, Mike Macedonia | macedonia@cs.nps.navy.mil MAJ, USA | CS Dept, Naval Postgraduate School, | Monterey, CA 93943 | PH:(408) 656-2903 FAX:(408) 656-2814 ------------------------------------------------------------ From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 04 14:26:49 1995 Received: from relay3.UU.NET by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <18816-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:26:12 +0000 Received: from uucp4.UU.NET by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQykar09658; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:26:10 -0400 From: brownj@CCMAIL.tt.com Received: from debbie.UUCP by uucp4.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:26:10 -0400 Received: from ccmail.tt.com by debbie.fbsw.tt.com with SMTP (16.6/16.2.0) id AA26177; Tue, 4 Apr 95 14:19:07 -0400 Original-Received: from ccMail by CCMAIL.TT.COM id AA797030764 Tue, 04 Apr 95 14:26:04 EST PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Date: Tue, 04 Apr 95 14:26:04 EST Encoding: 0 Text Message-Id: <9503047970.AA797030764@CCMAIL.TT.COM> To: uunet!es.net!rem-conf@uunet.uu.net Subject: Unsubscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 04 14:47:04 1995 Received: from burdell.cc.gatech.edu by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <19505-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:46:05 +0000 Received: from alps.cc.gatech.edu (kevin@alps.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.8.16]) by burdell.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA00998; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:46:03 -0400 Received: (from kevin@localhost) by alps.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) id OAA07515; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:46:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:46:01 -0400 From: kevin@cc.gatech.edu (Kevin C. Almeroth) Message-Id: <199504041846.OAA07515@alps.cc.gatech.edu> To: J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: IETF MBone audio is terrible! >>well, its unusable here >> >>what is the cost/benefit of this? >> >>there seem to be 2 problems >>1/ analog audio >>(this is nothing new) Just looking at this first problem... it seems that someone needs to write a FAQ or something about doing audio at a conference. Probably the most important requirement is to tie the audio in to the microphones. Just using a camera-mounted microphone or a room microphone is not going to work. Actually, a FAQ probably isn't necessary since the concept is simple, but the logistics are usually the limiting factor. Of course, I'm still waiting for a conference to actually use the wb for slides. Using nv or vic doesn't cut it when it comes to readability as well as trying to capture slides and the speaker in the picture. -Kevin Almeroth From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 04 16:46:38 1995 Received: from mail.unet.umn.edu by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <23960-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 13:45:04 +0000 Received: from sparky.drad.umn.edu by mail.unet.umn.edu (5.65c) id AA28756; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:45:01 -0500 Received: by sparky.drad.umn.edu (4.1/3.14) id AA08769; Tue, 4 Apr 95 15:43:08 CDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 15:43:08 CDT From: "Dr. R. E. Ritenour" Message-Id: <9504042043.AA08769@sparky.drad.umn.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 04 17:02:40 1995 Received: from 192.67.203.132 by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <24516-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:01:00 +0000 Received: by owl.igd.fhg.de (5.x/SMI-4.1) id AA24904; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 23:04:51 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 23:04:51 +0200 From: likavec@igd.fhg.de (Jaromir Likavec) Message-Id: <9504042104.AA24904@owl.igd.fhg.de> To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Announcement: 3rd Int. WWW Conference 11-13 April Cc: likavec@igd.fhg.de, kroemker@igd.fhg.de, kucera@igd.fhg.de, puchtler@igd.fhg.de X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Dear Colleagues, Live interactive audio and video will be sent around the world from the Third International World-Wide Web Conference in Darmstadt, Germany, by means of the multicasting backbone (MBONE) on 11-13 April 1995. Any individual with the appropriate Internet-connected hardware and software can participate; there will also be several pre-designated remote Conference sites, where the audio and video will be projected before a group of registered remote participants. Two parallel sessions will be multicasted simultaneously. We will be experimenting with a new multicasting Web application as well. MBONE communication is multi-way, and remote participation will be solicited during question periods. You will find complete information about this multicast and the remote conference sites on the Conference server under the URL: http://www.igd.fhg.de/www95.html Look under the topic MBONE-Multicasting. We encourage you to consider setting up a remote site at your facility, after reading the documentation about the limitations of this technology. To ease multicast-related communications between the Darmstadt Conference site and the remote sites, we have put into operation a HyperNews-based "Multicast Sessions Discussion Forum" at the URL: http://ananas.igd.fhg.de/HyperNews/get/hypernews/mbone95.html Other questions/remarks can be directed to us. We hope to see many of you participating in the meeting from afar. Regards, Jaromir Likavec (likavec@igd.fhg.de) R. P. C. Rodgers (rodgers@nlm.nih.gov) From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 04 17:16:23 1995 Received: from aero.org by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <24955-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:14:54 +0000 Received: from antares.aero.org ([130.221.192.46]) by aero.org with SMTP id <111138-1>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:14:42 -0700 Received: from salt.aero.org by antares.aero.org (4.1/AMS-1.0) id AA13132 for rem-conf@es.net; Tue, 4 Apr 95 14:14:32 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:12:33 -0700 From: gorlick@antares.aero.org Original-Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Original-Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Second Announcement of MBone Broadcast of ICSE'17 Cc: gorlick@aero.org, notkin@cs.washington.edu Message-Id: <95Apr4.141442pdt.111138-1@aero.org> We are pleased to announce the MBone broadcast of the 17th International Conference on Software Engineering (ICSE) to be held in Seattle, Washington, USA April 26-28, 1995. The purpose of ICSE is to provide a forum to promote the development of software engineering as both an industrial practice and an academic discipline, extending the frontier of both the state of the art and the state of the practice. The broadcast schedule will include the three plenary sessions and selected tracks from the conference presentations. The plenary session speakers are: Wednesday, April 26, 1995 'The Mythical Man-Month' After 20 Years by Frederick P. Brooks, Jr., University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, USA Thursday, April 27, 1995 Microsoft: Rethinking the Process of Software Development by Michael Cusumano, MIT Sloan School of Management, USA Friday, April 28, 1995 The World and the Machine by Michael Jackson, MAJ Consulting Ltd., UK Detailed information about the conference, including a broadcast schedule, can be found at URL http://www.cs.washington.edu/research/se/icse17. Questions or concerns about the broadcast services should be directed to Michael Gorlick The Aerospace Corporation Mail Station M1-102 Los Angeles California 90009 Phone: (310) 336-8661 Fax: (310) 336-4402 Email: gorlick@aero.org From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 04 18:36:00 1995 Received: from 128.127.2.122 by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <27752-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:34:41 +0000 Received: from ftp.com by ftp.com ; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 18:34:04 -0400 Received: from mailserv-D.ftp.com by ftp.com ; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 18:34:04 -0400 Received: from kasten.europa by mailserv-D.ftp.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA11502; Tue, 4 Apr 95 18:31:55 EDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 18:31:55 EDT Message-Id: <9504042231.AA11502@mailserv-D.ftp.com> To: lwei@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: IETF MBone audio is terrible! From: kasten@ftp.com (Frank Kastenholz) Reply-To: kasten@ftp.com Cc: booloo@framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov, kevin@cc.gatech.edu, rem-conf@es.net Sender: kasten@mailserv-D.ftp.com Repository: mailserv-D.ftp.com, [message accepted at Tue Apr 4 18:31:51 1995] Originating-Client: europa Content-Length: 1338 folks the problem with the mbone audio from danvers is that the hotel sound system and the sgi machines, are not completely compatible. i really don't know all the details. we got one of the two breakout rooms working with the hotel sound system late today. i honestly don't know which one. sorry. we are taking the audio-feed from the camera-mounted mikes. we figured that it was better than nothing - you can always turn it off if it does not work :-( we did receive some feedback yesterday that the sound and audio was coming through better than at any previous ietf. we've been assuming that a) this report was truthful, accurate, and not sarcastic, and B) that things have continued in that vein. if things have degraded, i apologize, but there's not much that can be done at this point. i've forwarded some of your comments on to the folks actually doing the work. feel free to flame me, offer any advice you have, etc. but i probably won't be reading my mail again till later in the week. i _will_ be writing up some sort of document of all the "wisdom" i've gained from doing this. probably by the end of april. -- Frank Kastenholz "The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present... As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew" - A. Lincoln From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 04 18:37:51 1995 Received: from ftp.com by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <28012-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:36:53 +0000 Received: from ftp.com by ftp.com ; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 18:36:24 -0400 Received: from mailserv-D.ftp.com by ftp.com ; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 18:36:24 -0400 Received: from kasten.europa by mailserv-D.ftp.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA11532; Tue, 4 Apr 95 18:34:14 EDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 18:34:14 EDT Message-Id: <9504042234.AA11532@mailserv-D.ftp.com> To: lwei@ISI.EDU, rem-conf@es.net Subject: P.S. Re: IETF MBone audio is terrible! From: kasten@ftp.com (Frank Kastenholz) Reply-To: kasten@ftp.com Cc: booloo@framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov, kevin@cc.gatech.edu Sender: kasten@mailserv-D.ftp.com Repository: mailserv-D.ftp.com, [message accepted at Tue Apr 4 18:34:04 1995] Originating-Client: europa Content-Length: 258 send any additional reports to ietf95tr@ftp.com -- Frank Kastenholz "The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present... As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew" - A. Lincoln From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 04 19:34:35 1995 Received: from SERV04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <00125-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:33:31 +0000 Received: from mailbox.SLAC.Stanford.EDU by SERV04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V5.0-1 #6987) id <01HOY4K7Q2000008RV@SERV04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>; Tue, 04 Apr 1995 16:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from telephus.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (TELEPHUS.SLAC.Stanford.EDU [134.79.24.57]) by mailbox.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA25076; Tue, 04 Apr 1995 16:33:25 -0700 Received: (cxg@localhost) by telephus.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.11) id QAA21731; Tue, 04 Apr 1995 16:33:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 1995 16:33:24 -0700 From: "Charley D. Granieri" Subject: Announcement - 6th Annual Rexx Symposium 5/2/95 To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: CXG@SLAC.Stanford.EDU Reply-to: cxg@SLAC.Stanford.EDU Message-id: <199504042333.QAA21731@MAILBOX.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (SLAC) would like to broadcast on the Mbonetwo sessions from the 6th Annual Rexx Symposium to be held at SLAC May 1-3, 1995. We plan to broadcast the following two sessions on May 2, 1995: 9 AM PDT Writing World Wide Web CGI Scripts in Rexx by Les Cottrell and Bebo White of SLAC 9:45 PDT Object Rexx Demonstration (for OS/2, AIX, Unix, VM) by Rick McGuire of IBM These times have been reserved in the MBone Global Agenda at www.cilea.it. Please contact Charles Granieri (CXG@SLAC.Stanford.Edu) for more information. From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 04 22:29:57 1995 Received: from ceres.fokus.gmd.de by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <01934-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 19:14:53 +0000 Received: from fokus.gmd.de by ceres.fokus.gmd.de id <01142-0@ceres.fokus.gmd.de>; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 04:13:51 +0200 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Infocom program for April 5, 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 04:13:51 +0200 From: Henning Schulzrinne Sender: schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de The following sessions will be multicast on Wednesday from IEEE Infocom'95: 8.30 - 10.00 EDT: 4A: Optical Networks: Routing and Performance 10.30 - 12.00: 5A: Network Management 1.30 - 3.00: 6A: Multihop Optical Networks 3:30 - 5.00: 7A: Admission Control Panel: The Role of Satellites in the Future Information Infrastructure (5.30 - 7.00) Feedback welcome; we'll try to be bidirectional tomorrow, assuming cooperation from the hotel audio folks. Henning Schulzrinne From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 04 23:14:44 1995 Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <02947-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:13:32 +0000 Received: from CAES-SUN-3.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21708; Tue, 4 Apr 95 23:13:25 EDT Received: by caes-sun-3.MIT.EDU (5.0/4.7) id AA22159; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 23:13:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9504050313.AA22159@caes-sun-3.MIT.EDU> To: rem-conf@es.net, mbone@ISI.EDU Cc: bailey@farnsworth.mit.edu, nomad@farnsworth.mit.edu, jimmy@MIT.EDU Subject: MBONE rebroadcast of the Internet Economic Workshop Date: Tue, 04 Apr 1995 23:13:13 EDT From: Chi-ming Lai Content-Length: 685 Greetings, There will be a rebroadcast of the Internet Economics Workshop in its entirety on April 6 & 7, 1995. The original workshop was held on March 9th and 10th. The rebroadcast will begin at 9am (Eastern Daylight Savings Time) on April 6 & 7. We will be putting in the videotapes >from the workshop one-right-after-the-other. The rebroadcast will end approximately 4:30 pm on Thursday, April 6, and at 3:30 pm on Friday, April 7. Please consult the original agenda to determine the order of the tapes. (http://rpcp.mit.edu/Workshops/mbone.html) Should there be any questions or comments, please address to bailey@farnsworth.mit.edu, or jimmy@mit.edu Thanks. -Jimmy Lai From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 05 00:23:42 1995 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <03783-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 21:12:48 +0000 Received: from xfr.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-21) id ; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 21:12:26 -0700 Posted-Date: Tue 4 Apr 95 21:12:17 PDT Received: by xfr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id ; Tue, 4 Apr 95 21:12:18 PDT Date: Tue 4 Apr 95 21:12:17 PDT From: Stephen Casner Subject: Re: IETF MBone audio is terrible! To: J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk, rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: <797058737.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> In-Reply-To: <2557.797012192@cs.ucl.ac.uk> Mail-System-Version: Was the audio better during the afternoon session of INT-SERV working group? For that session, another mixer was obtained and the microphones for the house audio were connected into the workstation through the mixer. It seemed to be better at this end. At the end of the session, though, I was hearing hum in the room, which probably means it was going out on the MBONE as well. Tomorrow, both channels should have the house microphones hooked to the workstations. The solution to these problems is to get all the necessary equipment built into two boxes that can be just shipped to the site and set up, with standard XLR connections in and out that the house A/V guys will understand. It is silly to make the hosts re-learn this each time, adding to their substantial burden. I have some ideas to contribute. Anyone out there who can contribute some engineering and packaging resources? -- Steve ------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 05 01:55:54 1995 Received: from haig.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <04817-0@osi-east.es.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 22:41:48 +0000 Received: from sol.cs.ucl.ac.uk by haig.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 06:41:38 +0100 To: Stephen Casner cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: IETF MBone audio is terrible! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Apr 95 21:12:17 PDT." <797058737.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 95 06:41:35 +0100 Message-ID: <1291.797060495@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Jon Crowcroft >Was the audio better during the afternoon session of INT-SERV >working group? yes and no it sounded like the source problem was fixed, but we were getting 20% loss, so it wasn't very comprehensible....but i'd say you had the analog problem fixed... jon From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 05 06:23:24 1995 Received: from cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09571-0@osi-east.es.net>; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 03:22:31 +0000 Received: from scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk (jaw@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.200.48]) by cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA15902; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 11:22:17 +0100 Received: (jaw@localhost) by scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA11168; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 11:22:09 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 11:22:04 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Wood Reply-To: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk To: "Kevin C. Almeroth" cc: J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: IETF MBone audio is terrible! In-Reply-To: <199504041846.OAA07515@alps.cc.gatech.edu> Message-ID: X-Department: "Unix Systems Support, Computing Services" X-Organisation: "The University of Edinburgh" X-URL: "http://ugwww.ucs.ed.ac.uk/~jaw/" X-Phone: +44 31 650 5003 X-Fax: +44 31 650 6552 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Kevin C. Almeroth wrote: > >>well, its unusable here > >> > >>what is the cost/benefit of this? > >> > >>there seem to be 2 problems > >>1/ analog audio > >>(this is nothing new) > > Just looking at this first problem... it seems that someone needs to > write a FAQ or something about doing audio at a conference. Probably > the most important requirement is to tie the audio in to the microphones. > Just using a camera-mounted microphone or a room microphone is not > going to work. Actually, a FAQ probably isn't necessary since the concept > is simple, but the logistics are usually the limiting factor. The MICE National Support Centres will be producing such documentation. > Of course, I'm still waiting for a conference to actually use the > wb for slides. Using nv or vic doesn't cut it when it comes to > readability as well as trying to capture slides and the speaker in > the picture. Well this really relies on people coming prepared with PostScript versions of their slides before the conference starts. Unfortunately, a lot of people write their presentations in the bar the evening before... :-) ============================================================================= Graeme Wood Email: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk Unix Systems Support Phone: +44 131 650 5003 The University of Edinburgh Fax: +44 131 650 6552 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scottish MICE National Support Centre Email: mice-nsc-scotland@ed.ac.uk for your multimedia conferencing support WWW: http://mice.ed.ac.uk/mice/ ============================================================================= From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 05 09:44:53 1995 Received: from SIMON.CS.CORNELL.EDU by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <12147-0@osi-east.es.net>; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 06:44:20 +0000 Received: from cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (CLOYD.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.227.15]) by simon.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/R1.01) with ESMTP id JAA20635; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:44:11 -0400 Received: from gungnir.cs.cornell.edu (GUNGNIR.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.218.57]) by cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/M1.6) with ESMTP id JAA19003; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:44:09 -0400 Received: (vogels@localhost) by gungnir.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/C1.3) id JAA24999; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:44:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199504051344.JAA24999@gungnir.cs.cornell.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net, ietf32-multicast@ietf.org Subject: Re: IETF MBone audio is terrible! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Apr 1995 21:12:17 PDT." <797058737.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 1995 09:44:05 -0400 From: Werner Vogels > Tomorrow, both channels should have the house microphones hooked > to the workstations. This morning the loss rates on both channels is around 12-15% with peaks around 25%. From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 05 11:57:40 1995 Received: from koriel.Sun.COM by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <16027-0@osi-east.es.net>; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 08:56:52 +0000 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (koriel.Sun.COM) id AA11559; Wed, 5 Apr 95 08:54:19 PDT Received: from auckland.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA21782; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 08:56:45 -0700 Received: by auckland.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12992; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 08:55:49 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 08:55:49 -0700 From: Ross.Finlayson@Eng.Sun.COM (Ross Finlayson) Message-Id: <9504051555.AA12992@auckland.Eng.Sun.COM> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: IETF MBone audio is (NO LONGER) terrible! Reply-To: finlayson@Eng.Sun.COM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII The IETF audio's just fine now (& contrary to other reports, I'm getting very little packet loss). Many thanks to Steve and the others at Danvers for fixing this. Now if only we could solve the problem of us left-coasters having to wake up at 5am :-) Ross. From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 05 12:08:07 1995 Received: from ss10.mag.keio.ac.jp by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <16439-0@osi-east.es.net>; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:07:27 +0000 Received: from localhost by ss10.mag.keio.ac.jp (8.6.10+2.5Wb1/2.7W) id BAA02543; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 01:07:19 +0900 Return-Path: Message-Id: <199504051607.BAA02543@ss10.mag.keio.ac.jp> To: rem-conf@es.net cc: jones@hq.unu.edu, yama@glocom.ac.jp, toyokuni@mag.keio.ac.jp cc: tomy@mag.keio.ac.jp, nazo@mag.keio.ac.jp Subject: conference using mbone Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 01:07:19 +0900 From: Jun Toyokuni To: whole Internet mbone We, United Nations University, will have an international conference on environmental issues in 6th and 7th April. The Conference will be broadcasted via M-bone, for which purpose, we will create a session. 1. The First UNU World Congress on Zero Emission Research Initiative 2. Name of the session: ZERI Congress 3. Media: nv, vat 4. Band Width: 128Kbps (nv 64kbps, vat dvi 64kbps) 5. The First Day Sessions: 4/6/95 9:00am - 5:00pm (JST) The Second Day Sessions: 4/7/95 9:00am - 5:00pm (JST) 7. Initial TTL: 128 8. Contact to: Ed Jones, United Nations University (Aoyama, Tokyo) Phone: +81-3-5467-1350 9. E-mail: JONES@hq.unu.edu 10. WWW: http://www.glocom.ac.jp/UN/unhp-e.html -- Ed Jones United Nations University JONES@hq.unu.edu -- sender: toyokuni@mag.keio.ac.jp From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 05 14:46:14 1995 Received: from ctrvx1.Vanderbilt.Edu by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <22410-0@osi-east.es.net>; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 11:45:43 +0000 Received: from bournejr (cispc12.vuse.vanderbilt.edu) by ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (PMDF V4.2-15 #7190) id <01HOZCYN9K5S8XASSL@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu>; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 13:44:56 CDT Date: Wed, 05 Apr 1995 13:44:56 -0500 (CDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu From: meredith@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Meredith C. Roberts) Subject: To: rem-conf@es.net Message-id: <01HOZCYNAMQQ8XASSL@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sender: meredith@vuse.vanderbilt.edu unsubscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 05 15:10:22 1995 Received: from bohr.nrl.navy.mil by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <23174-0@osi-east.es.net>; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 12:09:47 +0000 Received: by bohr.nrl.navy.mil (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03005; Wed, 5 Apr 95 15:09:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 15:09:44 -0400 From: Jean Osburn To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: MBONE request for meeting April 13, 2:30 - 4:00 PM EDT Cc: osburn@bohr.nrl.navy.mil The Naval Research Laboratory is planning to have a Users' Group meeting for its Washington, DC, Stennis, MS, and Monterey, CA users of the DoD High Performance Computing Program. The meeting will be held Thursday April 13 from 2:30PM - 4:00PM EDT. So that all three sites can participate in the meeting, we would like to have DC and MRY transmitting A/V over the MBONE at about 100 - 140 kbps. (Stennis will be connected via a videoteleconferencing arrangement since they are not yet MBONE ready). The DC transmission will be >from the Laboratory in Washington, while the Monterey transmission will be from the Naval Postgraduate School. Interest in or objections to this meeting can be sent to me. Feedback is appreciated. Thanks, jeanie osburn (202)767-3885 code 5594 (202)404-7402 FAX naval research lab osburn@bohr.nrl.navy.mil washington, dc 20375-5340 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 05 16:21:23 1995 Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <25584-0@osi-east.es.net>; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 13:20:45 +0000 Received: (from blkirk@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id NAA03513 for rem-conf@es.net; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 13:20:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 13:20:42 -0700 From: Benjamin Lee Kirkpatrick Message-Id: <199504052020.NAA03513@darkwing.uoregon.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Unsubscribe Content-Length: 0 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 05 18:40:27 1995 Received: from ax433.mclink.it by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 14:50:11 -0700 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Subscribe Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 23:49:01 CEST From: Marco Marzocca Cuni Message-ID: <9504052349.aa23679@ax433.mclink.it> subscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 05 18:57:12 1995 Received: from ax433.mclink.it by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 14:50:50 -0700 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Subscribe Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 23:49:41 CEST From: Marco Marzocca Cuni Message-ID: <9504052349.aa23824@ax433.mclink.it> subscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 05 19:16:32 1995 Received: from MIT.EDU (actually SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 15:27:29 -0700 Received: from CAES-SUN-3.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05679; Wed, 5 Apr 95 18:27:17 EDT Received: by caes-sun-3.MIT.EDU (5.0/4.7) id AA00584; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 18:27:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9504052227.AA00584@caes-sun-3.MIT.EDU> To: rem-conf@es.net, mbone@ISI.EDU Cc: bailey@farnsworth.mit.edu, nomad@farnsworth.mit.edu, jimmy@MIT.EDU Subject: Rebroadcast of Internet Economic Workshop -- Rescheduled Date: Wed, 05 Apr 1995 18:27:14 EDT From: Chi-ming Lai Content-Length: 582 Dear mbone folks, The previously announced rebroadcast of the Internet Economic Workshop will be rescheduled to this Friday (April 7th) and next Monday (April 10) to avoid conflict with the IEFT sessions and the upcoming web conference sessions. The rebroadcast will take place during the following period: April 7th: 9am-~4.30pm (EDT) April 10th: 9am-~3.30pm (EDT) Please refer to http://rpcp.mit.edu/Workshops/mbone.html for more info. and the original agenda. Again, comments and questions can be directed to bailey@farnsworth.mit.edu, or jimmy@mit.edu Thanks. -Jimmy Lai From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 05 20:53:58 1995 Received: from lhc.nlm.nih.gov by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <02213-0@osi-east.es.net>; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 17:44:44 +0000 Received: from billings.csb (billings.nlm.nih.gov) by nlm.nih.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA08756; Wed, 5 Apr 95 20:44:35 EDT Received: by billings.csb (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25599; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 20:43:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 20:43:07 -0400 From: rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.) Message-Id: <9504060043.AA25599@billings.csb> To: rem-conf@es.net, osburn@bohr.nrl.navy.mil Subject: Re: MBONE request for meeting April 13, 2:30 - 4:00 PM EDT Cc: likavec@igd.fhg.de, aronson@billings.nlm.nih.gov, rodgers@nlm.nih.gov X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Jean, We will need to coordinate activities with you -- we are doing the 2-session multicast from the 3rd Int. WWW Conf. in Darmstadt. We should only be transmitting a single program at that time, by tape delay from earlier in the day. Contact Jaromir Likavec at likavec@igd.fhg.de to exchange information... Cheerio, Rick Rodgers > From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 5 20:32 EDT 1995 > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 15:09:44 -0400 > From: Jean Osburn > To: rem-conf@es.net > Subject: MBONE request for meeting April 13, 2:30 - 4:00 PM EDT > Cc: osburn@bohr.nrl.navy.mil > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 877 > > The Naval Research Laboratory is planning to have a Users' Group > meeting for its Washington, DC, Stennis, MS, and Monterey, CA > users of the DoD High Performance Computing Program. The meeting > will be held Thursday April 13 from 2:30PM - 4:00PM EDT. So that > all three sites can participate in the meeting, we would like to > have DC and MRY transmitting A/V over the MBONE at about 100 - 140 kbps. > (Stennis will be connected via a videoteleconferencing arrangement > since they are not yet MBONE ready). The DC transmission will be > from the Laboratory in Washington, while the Monterey transmission > will be from the Naval Postgraduate School. Interest in or objections > to this meeting can be sent to me. Feedback is appreciated. > > Thanks, > jeanie osburn (202)767-3885 > code 5594 (202)404-7402 FAX > naval research lab osburn@bohr.nrl.navy.mil > washington, dc 20375-5340 > From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 05 21:01:27 1995 Received: from ax433.mclink.it (actually 192.106.166.8) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 17:01:44 -0700 Received: from ax433.mclink.it by ax433.mclink.it id aa24971; 6 Apr 95 1:59 CEST From: Marco Marzocca Cuni Date: Thu, 29 Apr 99 01:14:34 -700 To: rem-conf@es.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla/1.0N (Windows) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: http://www.mclink.it/ Message-ID: <9504060159.aa24971@ax433.mclink.it> SUBSCRIVE ^^ "" \__/ From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 05 21:49:51 1995 Received: from ax433.mclink.it (actually 192.106.166.8) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 17:00:07 -0700 Received: from ax433.mclink.it by ax433.mclink.it id aa24933; 6 Apr 95 1:57 CEST From: Marco Marzocca Cuni Date: Thu, 29 Apr 99 01:13:01 -700 To: rem-conf@es.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla/1.0N (Windows) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: http://www.mclink.it/ Message-ID: <9504060157.aa24933@ax433.mclink.it> From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 06 01:35:56 1995 Received: from rose.cse.cau.ac.kr by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <03758-0@osi-east.es.net>; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:35:27 +0000 Received: by rose.cse.cau.ac.kr (8.6.9H1/8.6.4) id OAA02049; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 14:32:57 +0900 From: Kim Youn Kyoung Message-Id: <199504060532.OAA02049@rose.cse.cau.ac.kr> Subject: sunscribe To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 14:32:57 +0900 (JST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21-h4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 0 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 06 03:32:51 1995 Received: from rose.cse.cau.ac.kr by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <06145-0@osi-east.es.net>; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 00:32:16 +0000 Received: by rose.cse.cau.ac.kr (8.6.9H1/8.6.4) id QAA02805; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 16:29:42 +0900 From: Kim Youn Kyoung Message-Id: <199504060729.QAA02805@rose.cse.cau.ac.kr> Subject: subscribe To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 16:29:40 +0900 (JST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21-h4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 0 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 06 03:41:22 1995 Received: from charon.cwi.nl by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <06317-0@osi-east.es.net>; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 00:40:50 +0000 Received: from ansjovis.cwi.nl by charon.cwi.nl with SMTP id ; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:40:37 +0200 Received: by ansjovis.cwi.nl with SMTP id AA09158 (5.65b/3.8/CWI-Amsterdam); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:40:37 +0200 Message-Id: <9504060740.AA09158=sjoerd@ansjovis.cwi.nl> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Correction: Announcement: NLUUG conference, April 12-13 In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 03 Apr 1995 17:19:44 +0200. X-Face: B%:j&7]g4"$vMynoD69B.1j9)PqXC=2G5>D*^>~u#:hx+p/:Up,A&sEtCS|(?PS!&uR0UN\Pg~:No>UPyUO/ehkfLt"v7|*J)!I|Gg,Nq+;G}}?wkQtH5^Xx7+ K+0EuZ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 09:40:36 +0200 From: Sjoerd Mullender On Mon, Apr 3 1995 Sjoerd Mullender wrote: > We will broadcast the NLUUG Spring conference on the MBone on April 11 > and 12. The topic of the conference is "Trends in Networking", and This must of course be April 12 and 13. That's when the conference will be held. > speakers include Andy Tanenbaum, Mike Karels and a lot of people from > the "mbone-cabal", see http://www.nluug.nl/nluug/vj95/eng.html for > details. > > We're pretty sure we won't be using more than 128kbit of bandwidth, > since the conference will be linked to the net over ISDN. > > There is a clash with the 3rd International WWW conference (10-14 > April), but both parties are aware of this and we will adjust our > bandwidth if necessary. > > Questions/remarks can be directed to me. > > Sjoerd Mullender, CWI, P.O. Box 94079, 1090 GB Amsterdam, The Netherlands > E-Mail: Sjoerd.Mullender@cwi.nl; Phone: +31 20 592 4127; Fax: +31 20 592 4199 > URL: http://www.cwi.nl/cwi/people/Sjoerd.Mullender.html Sjoerd Mullender, CWI, P.O. Box 94079, 1090 GB Amsterdam, The Netherlands E-Mail: Sjoerd.Mullender@cwi.nl; Phone: +31 20 592 4127; Fax: +31 20 592 4199 URL: http://www.cwi.nl/cwi/people/Sjoerd.Mullender.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 06 05:21:40 1995 Received: from ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <08447-0@osi-east.es.net>; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 02:21:06 +0000 Received: from [129.69.30.90] (ksmac1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de) by ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA01892; Thu, 6 Apr 95 02:21:00 PDT Message-Id: <9504060921.AA01892@ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov> X-Sender: jed@ocfmail.llnl.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:21:03 +0100 To: rem-conf@es.net From: jed@llnl.gov (James E. [Jed] Donnelley) Subject: Using wb for chart presentations over MBone >> Of course, I'm still waiting for a conference to actually use the >> wb for slides. Using nv or vic doesn't cut it when it comes to >> readability as well as trying to capture slides and the speaker in >> the picture. > >Well this really relies on people coming prepared with PostScript >versions of their slides before the conference starts. Unfortunately, a >lot of people write their presentations in the bar the evening before... :-) To use wb for presenting "charts" over the MBone requires a little more than just Postscript. Beyond just not writing your presentation in a bar the evening before, I recommend a trial insertion of charts into wb before the presentation. wb requires relatively small (32kB default if I recall - with expertise required to get around this limitation) Postscript files. Such Postscript is not produced by some software packages. For example, I used to use Microsoft Powerpoint (no jeers) on a Mac for producing many of my charts. It's Postscript is (was) hopeless for use with wb. I am currently working up a presentation for the upcoming WWW'95 conference that I hope to be able to use wb for. Now I am using Framemaker for the charts, but even there the .ps files are too large as they come out of Framemaker. I've had some success running them through Van Jacobson's "lzps" compression package and then using them with wb. Even then though I have been using wb on an SGI Indy with mixed results. At one point wb would crash no matter what I fed it and only restarting my system (presumably my X window manager) got me past the problem. I had somewhat better luck on a Sun. I mention this to rem-conf to clarify that from my experience "some user assembly" is required with wb (in fact with all the MBone tools) at this point - be prepared. I feel that a trial run of any presentation with these tools is valuable. --Jed phone: +49 711 685 4514, fax: +49 711 678 7627 More URLs at -> http://www.llnl.gov/atp/jed-signature.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 06 05:49:12 1995 Received: from cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <08697-0@osi-east.es.net>; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 02:48:36 +0000 Received: from scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk (jaw@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.200.48]) by cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA24849; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:48:17 +0100 Received: (jaw@localhost) by scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA13978; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:48:15 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:48:15 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Wood Reply-To: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk To: "James E. [Jed] Donnelley" cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Using wb for chart presentations over MBone In-Reply-To: <9504060921.AA01892@ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov> Message-ID: X-Department: "Unix Systems Support, Computing Services" X-Organisation: "The University of Edinburgh" X-URL: "http://ugwww.ucs.ed.ac.uk/~jaw/" X-Phone: +44 31 650 5003 X-Fax: +44 31 650 6552 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Apr 1995, James E. [Jed] Donnelley wrote: > I mention this to rem-conf to clarify that from my experience > "some user assembly" is required with wb (in fact with > all the MBone tools) at this point - be prepared. I feel that > a trial run of any presentation with these tools is valuable. Indeed, I oversimplified the case in my flippancy. ============================================================================= Graeme Wood Email: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk Unix Systems Support Phone: +44 131 650 5003 The University of Edinburgh Fax: +44 131 650 6552 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scottish MICE National Support Centre Email: mice-nsc-scotland@ed.ac.uk for your multimedia conferencing support WWW: http://mice.ed.ac.uk/mice/ ============================================================================= From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 06 07:21:01 1995 Received: from peladon.rmit.EDU.AU by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 03:52:29 -0700 Received: from exxilon.xx.rmit.EDU.AU by peladon.rmit.EDU.AU with SMTP id AA28484 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 20:52:15 +1000 Received: (richard@localhost) by exxilon.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (8.6.11/8.6.4/ram5) id UAA09276 for rem-conf@es.net; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 20:51:28 +1000 From: "Richard A. Muirden" Message-Id: <199504061051.UAA09276@exxilon.xx.rmit.EDU.AU> Subject: A few questions on issues for you.... To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 20:51:28 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2491 Hi Remote Conferencing WG member, I am writing a paper on issues involved with use of audio and video on the internet, including things like mbone, CU-SeeMe, Internet Phone, and so on. I have a few questions which I hope you can give your opinion on. Although any hard figures would be much apprieciated, I am not expecting you to write my paper for me :-) But you have the honour(?) of being selected in my mind as having a role in the development of Internet audio/video applications, and your feedback would be very useful. Opinions are much apprieciated, and I thank you in advance for time spent on this. 1. Video consumes far more bandwidth than audio. We have seen it used effectivly for IETF meetings, The space shuttle, and even the Stones concert. However do you think wide scale use is practical using the Internet? 2. As a user, would you prefer more reliable audio than a video feed at only several frames/second? 3. As a developer, do you think it is up to the applications programmers, protocol designers or end users to enforce limitations on use of Internet resources? (or if any limitations should be made) 4. Currently there is no agreed upon scheduling mechanism for the major applications in use (eg: Mbone, CU-SeeMe). Do you see this as being something that is urgently needed as more and more people start using these applications? [ This question is optional and more for the technical design folks :-) ] 6. How many concurrent video/audio streams do you think are possible given: a) average link speed of a T1 connection (1.5mbit/sec) b) real time audio c) real time video And also assuming that this operation is sharing the Internet with normal users yet quality of transmission is retained. In other words, I am asking for an opinion of how much video/ audio traffic you think the Internet (as a whole) can sustain at current levels before service becomes unacceptable. Thank you very much for your time. -Richard -- Richard A. Muirden, Sys. Admin |Fan of Shostakovich, "Star Trek" and the Boeing Mailto: richard@rmit.EDU.AU |777 (hand over: May 15, 1995 - United Airlines) Phone: (+61 3) 660 3814 |I created alt.fan.shostakovich! Fly: UA,AN,WN http://www.rmit.edu.au/richard |Can *YOU* beat my 110 Shost CD's? :-) * Boeing 777 First passenger flight: June 7, United Airlines! See you there! * * 1995: Remembering 20 years since the death of Shostakovich (1906-75) * From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 06 08:31:19 1995 Received: from stargate.acs.ohio-state.edu by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <14392-0@osi-east.es.net>; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 05:30:43 +0000 Received: from localhost by stargate.acs.ohio-state.edu (8.6.4/5.901231) id IAA07483; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 08:30:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 08:14:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Dixon Subject: Conference Audio Suggestions To: Frank Kastenholz cc: lwei@ISI.EDU, booloo@framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov, kevin@cc.gatech.edu, rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <9504042231.AA11502@mailserv-D.ftp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have had considerable experience feeding various audio sources into a modern Mac, and this may be helpful to others with other computers and other situations. The Mac audio requirement is completely non-standard, and cannot be understood or dealt with by typical audio technicians. The input impedance is very high, and the input voltage requirement is greater than the normal "mike" or "line" levels. No standard audio hookup likely to be readily available will drive it correctly. The solution I ultimately developed works well, and is very general and will work under all circumstances. The components cost under $100, are portable and will run both from normal AC power or 12VDC. They are available at Radio Shack. Use an MPA-31 audio amplifier, and terminate its output with an 8 ohm resistor. Then also connect the output to the computer audio input jack. This provides excellent quality audio to the computer, and allows the original signal to be either "mike" or "line" level, which are things that audio technicians understand. In addition, you can plug your own mike into the amplifier for added comments or testing. I recommend that this kind of setup be used by anyone who is attempting to send audio from a conference via a computer. I have a more detailed write-up with step-by-step instructions if anyone needs it. Bob Dixon Advanced Technology Group Academic Technology Services Ohio State University From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 06 09:07:53 1995 Received: from gaia.cs.umass.edu by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <14826-0@osi-east.es.net>; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 06:07:20 +0000 Received: (from hgschulz@localhost) by gaia.cs.umass.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA29321 for rem-conf@es.net; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:07:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:07:25 -0400 From: Henning Schulzrinne Message-Id: <199504061307.JAA29321@gaia.cs.umass.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Panel discussion this morning (Infocom'95) "Reservations or No Reservations" (10:30 - 12:00 "]EDT). Panelists: Lixia Zhang, Dave Clar, k, Steve Deering, FerraD. Ferrari, C. Huitema, Scott Shenker. Henning Schulzrinne From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 06 09:44:51 1995 Received: from ietf.cnri.reston.va.us by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <15352-0@osi-east.es.net>; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 06:43:42 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa02240; 6 Apr 95 9:42 EDT To: rem-conf@es.net cc: stev@ftp.com, mwalnut@CNRI.Reston.VA.US, casner@isi.edu Subject: DANVERS IETF: MBONE PROBLEMS Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 09:42:48 -0400 From: Megan Davies Walnut Message-ID: <9504060942.aa02240@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US> Hi, Steve Knowles (IETF Local Host) asked me to let you know that one of the workstations we've been using to broadcast over the mbone is not functioning properly. Therefore until further notice, the following will take place. 1. Today, Thursday April 6, 1995: 0900-1130 Channel 1 - rps-bof (will be video taped only) Channel 2 - html-wg (will be multicast per original agenda) 2. Today, Thursday April 6, 1995: 1300-1500 Channel 1 - rsvp-wg (will be multicast per original agenda) Channel 2 - idr (will be video taped only) 3. Today: 1530-1830 Channel 2 - Open Plenary (will be multicast per orginal agenda) Please confirm receipt and understanding of this message. Send any questions back to me at: mwalnut@cnri.reston.va.us. Thanks, Megan From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 06 10:21:24 1995 Received: from ietf.cnri.reston.va.us by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <16143-0@osi-east.es.net>; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 07:20:58 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa02741; 6 Apr 95 10:10 EDT To: IETF-Announce:; cc: rem-conf@es.net, mwalnut@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Subject: DANVERS IETF: FURTHER NOTICE Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 10:10:21 -0400 From: Megan Davies Walnut Message-ID: <9504061010.aa02741@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US> I was just informed that we are now able to get audio over the workstation that's having problems. Megan BTW, to those of you on the rem-conf mailing list. I didn't realize I was addressing such a large list so you may disregard my earlier request to confirm receipt of the announcement :*) 1. Today, Thursday April 6, 1995: 0900-1130 Channel 1 - rps-bof (will be video taped, audio is available) Channel 2 - html-wg (will be multicast per original agenda) 2. Today, Thursday April 6, 1995: 1300-1500 Channel 1 - rsvp-wg (will be multicast per original agenda) Channel 2 - idr (will be video taped, audio is available) 3. Today: 1530-1830 Channel 2 - Open Plenary (will be multicast per orginal agenda) Thanks, Megan ------- End of Forwarded Message From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 06 10:26:24 1995 Received: from lhc.nlm.nih.gov by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <16346-0@osi-east.es.net>; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 07:26:05 +0000 Received: from billings.csb (billings.nlm.nih.gov) by nlm.nih.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA02920; Thu, 6 Apr 95 10:25:50 EDT Received: by billings.csb (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA26298; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:24:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:24:23 -0400 From: rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.) Message-Id: <9504061424.AA26298@billings.csb> To: rem-conf@es.net, jed@llnl.gov Subject: Re: Using wb for chart presentations over MBone Cc: likavec@igd.fhg.de, aronson@billings.nlm.nih.gov, rodgers@nlm.nih.gov X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Jed, Actually, I would hope that you would prepare your materials in HTML rather than PostScript. We do not currently plan to use wb for the WWW Conf., though we can certainly make an exception for you if you are too far down the road to turn back. We are fairly sure that we will be using an experimental CCI application written at NCSA, that will multicast the presenter's html document to mbone viewers. It uses Todd Montgomery's RMP (Reliable Multicast Protocol). We will be supplying binaries for this application just prior to the meeting (probably this weekend). The software will be made available via our Conf. server in Darmstadt. Watch the MBONE pages on the conference server for details: http://www.igd.fhg.de/www/www95/mbone/index.html We hope that this application will prove to be an important addition to the mbone suite, getting around some of the limitations you discuss with respect to wb. Cheerio, Rick Rodgers > From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 6 06:37 EDT 1995 > From: jed@llnl.gov (James E. [Jed] Donnelley) > Subject: Using wb for chart presentations over MBone > > >> Of course, I'm still waiting for a conference to actually use the > >> wb for slides. Using nv or vic doesn't cut it when it comes to > >> readability as well as trying to capture slides and the speaker in > >> the picture. > > > >Well this really relies on people coming prepared with PostScript > >versions of their slides before the conference starts. Unfortunately, a > >lot of people write their presentations in the bar the evening before... :-) > > To use wb for presenting "charts" over the MBone requires a little > more than just Postscript. Beyond just not writing your presentation > in a bar the evening before, I recommend a trial insertion of charts > into wb before the presentation > > [deletions here] > > I am currently working up a presentation for the upcoming WWW'95 > conference that I hope to be able to use wb for. Now I am using > Framemaker for the charts, but even there the .ps files are too large > as they come out of Framemaker > > [more deletions] > > I mention this to rem-conf to clarify that from my experience > "some user assembly" is required with wb (in fact with > all the MBone tools) at this point - be prepared. I feel that > a trial run of any presentation with these tools is valuable. > > --Jed phone: +49 711 685 4514, fax: +49 711 678 7627 > More URLs at -> http://www.llnl.gov/atp/jed-signature.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 06 11:51:17 1995 Received: from relay3.UU.NET by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <18640-0@osi-east.es.net>; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 08:50:46 +0000 Received: from uucp2.UU.NET by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQykhr08690; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:50:44 -0400 From: brownj@CCMAIL.tt.com Received: from debbie.UUCP by uucp2.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:50:44 -0400 Received: from ccmail.tt.com by debbie.fbsw.tt.com with SMTP (16.6/16.2.0) id AA11417; Thu, 6 Apr 95 11:01:39 -0400 Original-Received: from ccMail by CCMAIL.TT.COM id AA797191545 Thu, 06 Apr 95 11:05:45 EST PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 11:05:45 EST Encoding: 0 Text Message-Id: <9503067971.AA797191545@CCMAIL.TT.COM> To: uunet!es.net!rem-conf@uunet.uu.net Subject: unsubscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 06 12:55:19 1995 Received: from jazz.ncren.net by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <21077-0@osi-east.es.net>; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:54:38 +0000 Received: from micah.chowan.edu by jazz.ncren.net (5.65/tas-ncren/may94) id AA16965; Thu, 6 Apr 95 12:53:52 -0400 Received: from CHOWAN_NET/MAILROOM by micah.chowan.edu (Mercury 1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 95 11:52:49 EST Received: from MAILROOM by CHOWAN_NET (Mercury 1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 95 11:52:23 EST From: "Dr. Von Asineen" To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:52:18 EST Subject: Unsubscribe Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-Id: Could someone please tell me how I can go about unsubscribing from this list? Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Thank You, Keith White RWhite@micah.chowan.edu "I have only myself to blame I suppose." -Q ******************************************* "I'll answer any ten questions which call for a yes or a no." -Q From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 06 15:36:36 1995 Received: from nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 12:09:02 -0700 Received: by nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18074; Thu, 6 Apr 95 12:08:58 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 12:08:58 PDT From: brutzman@nps.navy.mil (Don Brutzman) Message-Id: <9504061908.AA18074@nps.navy.mil> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Hamming lecture rebroadcast postponed We will rebroadcast today's lecture at 1410 PDT Friday, just prior to the 1510 PDT live transmission of the hamming lecture. ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/mosaic/hamming.announce for info, brutzman@nps.navy.mil for questions. From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 06 19:49:56 1995 Received: from viipuri.nersc.gov by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <06644-0@osi-east.es.net>; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 16:49:27 +0000 Received: by viipuri.nersc.gov (4.1/ESnet-1.2) id AA09102; Thu, 6 Apr 95 16:49:25 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 16:49:25 PDT From: ari@es.net (Ari Ollikainen) Message-Id: <9504062349.AA09102@viipuri.nersc.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: mbone broadcast planned Misaddressed message... ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From scott%fang.cs.sunyit.edu@sunyit.edu Mon Apr 3 15:25:36 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 18:24:21 -0400 From: scott%fang.cs.sunyit.edu@sunyit.edu (Scott Spetka) To: rem-conf-request@es.net Subject: mbone broadcast planned Cc: scott%fang.cs.sunyit.edu@sunyit.edu Content-Length: 359 I am planning to broadcast the Plenary Session of the 5th ANNUAL DUAL-USE TECHNOLOGY & APPLICATIONS CONFERENCE on mbone TUESDAY, MAY 23, 1995, 13:00-17:00GMT (8:00-12:00EST) ------------------------------------------------- http://www.rl.af.mil:8001/IEEE95/1995AdvProg.html ------------------------------------------------- Scott Spetka scott@cs.sunyit.edu ----- End Included Message ----- Ari@ES.net _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ Ari Ollikainen {VOX: 510 423-5962} _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Energy Sciences Network {FAX: 510 423-8744} _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ National Energy Research Supercomputer Center _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ MailStop L-561, PO BOX 5509, Livermore, CA. 94551 ~~RECOM Technologies Inc.~~ From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 06 22:51:35 1995 Received: from beijing2.cernet.edu.cn (actually cernet.edu.cn) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 19:20:54 -0700 Received: by beijing2.cernet.edu.cn (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22101; Fri, 7 Apr 95 10:13:59 CST Date: Fri, 7 Apr 95 10:13:59 CST From: cheng@cernet.edu.cn (Yan Cheng) Message-Id: <9504070213.AA22101@beijing2.cernet.edu.cn> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: a few questions for issues on you On Thu,6 April 95, Richard A. Muirden wrote: >Hi Remote Conferencing WG member, >... >1. Video consumes far more bandwidth than audio. >... I feel: 1. As a user, I would prefer more reliable audio than a video feed at only several frames/second. 2. I don't think it is up to the applications programmers, protocol designers or end users to enforce limitations on use of Internet resources. From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 01:06:56 1995 Received: from uu5.psi.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 21:25:14 -0700 Received: from invision.com by uu5.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA06848 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 95 00:15:38 -0400 Received: from john by invision.com (5.67/2.0) id AA18311; Thu, 6 Apr 95 18:42:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 18:58:32 CDT From: John Beaver Subject: RE: Unsubscribe To: rem-conf@es.net, "Dr. Von Asineen" X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Make the body of your message UNSUBSCRIBE >Could someone please tell me how I can go about >unsubscribing from this list? Any help you could offer >would be greatly appreciated. > >Thank You, > > Keith White RWhite@micah.chowan.edu > > "I have only myself to blame I suppose." -Q > ******************************************* > "I'll answer any ten questions which call for > a yes or a no." -Q > > *********************************************************************** John Beaver "Think of us as See-Mail" InVision Systems Corp. - The Video Communications Company 317 S. Main Suite 310 Tulsa, OK 74103 For Support on our VideoConferencing 918.584.7772 products, send email to 918.584.7775 - FAX support@invision.com 918.599.8907 - BBS N,8,1 internet: john@invision.com *********************************************************************** From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 01:29:42 1995 Received: from brolga.cc.uq.oz.au by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 21:49:01 -0700 Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by brolga.cc.uq.oz.au id <24460-0@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au>; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:48:47 +1000 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: making "dense" postscript for wb usage. Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:48:47 +1000 From: George Michaelson Sender: G.Michaelson@cc.uq.oz.au Message-ID: <"brolga.cc.uq:244740:950407044855"@cc.uq.oz.au> I recommend the "lout" package from sydney university. This is troff/runoff-like in as much as embedded markup is used, is "latex" like in the way markup is used, and directly produces good ps and eps. It includes table and figure drawing (and colour) extensions. Run through ps I found this made smaller denser bulletlists than any other package I could use. Look in web indexes for and FTP site... -George From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 02:16:55 1995 Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <03222-0@osi-east.es.net>; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 23:16:29 +0000 Received: from eua.ericsson.se (eua.ericsson.se [134.138.132.16]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.11/1.0) with SMTP id IAA06419 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 08:16:25 +0200 Received: from ms.eua.ericsson.se by eua.ericsson.se (4.1/EUA-2.1) id AA25202; Fri, 7 Apr 95 08:16:24 +0200 Received: from euax3i4c27.eua.ericsson.se by ms.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/MS-2.1) id AA26833; Fri, 7 Apr 95 08:16:23 +0200 From: Morten.Sundkvist@eua.ericsson.se (Martin Sundkvist) Received: by euax3i4c27.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/client-1.3) id AA18413; Fri, 7 Apr 95 08:16:22 +0200 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 95 08:16:22 +0200 Message-Id: <9504070616.AA18413@euax3i4c27.eua.ericsson.se> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 06:08:59 1995 Received: from ell.ee.lbl.gov by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <06530-0@osi-east.es.net>; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 03:08:34 +0000 Received: by ell.ee.lbl.gov (8.6.11/1.43r) id DAA21363; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 03:08:32 -0700 From: mccanne@ee.lbl.gov (Steven McCanne) Message-Id: <199504071008.DAA21363@ell.ee.lbl.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net, bagnet@george.lbl.gov Subject: today's "UCB Seminar" Date: Fri, 07 Apr 95 03:08:32 PDT This is just a quick note to let people know that we will be running an experiment during today's broadcast of Mark Linton's talk from the UCB Multimedia and Graphics seminar (see http://roger-rabbit.cs.berkeley.edu/298.html for the shedule). We will be simulcasting a high-rate JPEG stream (locally) over the Bay Area Gigabit Network together with the usual 128kb/s H.261 stream over the Mbone. The H.261 stream will be generated by transcoding the JPEG with a limping implementation of an RTPv2 video gateway. Look for the "UCB Seminar ..." sessions in sd tomorrow around 2:00pm PDT. Elan Amir (elan@cs.berkeley.edu) Steve McCanne (mccanne@ee.lbl.gov) Hui Zhang (Hui.Zhang@N3.SP.CS.CMU.EDU) From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 08:26:11 1995 Received: from margit.scri.fsu.edu by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <07991-0@osi-east.es.net>; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 05:25:34 +0000 Received: by margit.scri.fsu.edu id AA28963 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for rem-conf@es.net); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 08:25:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 08:25:32 -0400 From: Ken Hays Message-Id: <199504071225.AA28963@margit.scri.fsu.edu> To: John Beaver Cc: rem-conf@es.net, "Dr. Von Asineen" In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Unsubscribe Reply-To: Ken Hays Realize you may be right for some LISTSERV type lists, but your message below got to me [just a list member, not the maintainer] that has to do with administrivia on a list that is not a LISTSERV type. In general, to do ANY administrative thing on ANY internet mailing list one sends mail to the list name with -REQUEST appended. For example, the administrivia address for is . Yes,-REQUEST can be lowercase also, as in . Of course, the advice above is predicated on your being interested in the master list. However, if you are trying to unsubscribe and are getting your copy from a secondary exploder, you need to send a message to the exploder administrivia address. You may want/need to to look at the headers for of a typical mail message from the list to determine whether you are on the master list or an exploder. Or, asking your postmaster to look at the headers for you would work too. In addition, for a lot of lists you should not plan on having the list administrator reading the list. Be PATIENT, the humans that do mailing list maintenance often do that as an ancillary task and sometimes have to do their "real" jobs and the list maintenance takes a lesser priority. Later, Ken --------------- Prompting Message Follows --------------- >From root Fri Apr 7 02:33:02 1995 Received: from mailer.scri.fsu.edu by margit.scri.fsu.edu with SMTP id AA20975 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 02:32:39 -0400 Received: from osi-west.es.net by mailer.scri.fsu.edu with SMTP id AA11011 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 02:32:20 -0400 Received: from uu5.psi.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 21:25:14 -0700 Received: from invision.com by uu5.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA06848 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 95 00:15:38 -0400 Received: from john by invision.com (5.67/2.0) id AA18311; Thu, 6 Apr 95 18:42:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: John Beaver To: rem-conf@es.net, "Dr. Von Asineen" Subject: RE: Unsubscribe Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 18:58:32 CDT Make the body of your message UNSUBSCRIBE >Could someone please tell me how I can go about >unsubscribing from this list? Any help you could offer >would be greatly appreciated. > >Thank You, > > Keith White RWhite@micah.chowan.edu > > "I have only myself to blame I suppose." -Q > ******************************************* > "I'll answer any ten questions which call for > a yes or a no." -Q > > *********************************************************************** John Beaver "Think of us as See-Mail" InVision Systems Corp. - The Video Communications Company 317 S. Main Suite 310 Tulsa, OK 74103 For Support on our VideoConferencing 918.584.7772 products, send email to 918.584.7775 - FAX support@invision.com 918.599.8907 - BBS N,8,1 internet: john@invision.com *********************************************************************** From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 09:03:31 1995 Received: from tiny.sprintlink.net by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <08379-0@osi-east.es.net>; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:03:01 +0000 Received: from nyam.org (health.nyam.org [199.29.141.24]) by tiny.sprintlink.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA01483 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:02:59 -0400 Received: by nyam.org (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02375; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 08:55:57 +0500 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 08:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Berry Subject: AlphaServer 2000, OSF/1 2.1 To: rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <"brolga.cc.uq:244740:950407044855"@cc.uq.oz.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 489 Can anyone give me a clue about mrouted for the subject system/OS? I've read that OSF/1 can be its own mbone router; like, maybe I don't need an mbone aware ip router. Es verdad? ciao / \ / \ | o o | Dixon E. Berry \ /V\ / Manager, Academic Information Systems .^^^^( ) New York Academy of Medicine | ( ) 1216 5th Avenue | ( ) New York, NY 10029 | ( ) dberry@nyam.org |/ ( ) 212-876-8200 x335 / ( )\\ /__ =__||\\\ V V V V '' From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 10:08:27 1995 Received: from MIT.EDU (actually SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:19:04 -0700 Received: from CAES-SUN-3.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA00854; Fri, 7 Apr 95 09:18:55 EDT Received: by caes-sun-3.MIT.EDU (5.0/4.7) id AA01746; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:18:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9504071318.AA01746@caes-sun-3.MIT.EDU> To: rem-conf@es.net, mbone@isi.edu Cc: bailey@farnsworth.mit.edu, nomad@nmis.org, jimmy@MIT.EDU Subject: Internet Economic Workshop (rebroadcast) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 09:18:54 EDT From: Chi-ming Lai Content-Length: 258 Greetings, Due to some technical problem, the broadcast was delayed by 15 min., and it started at 9.15am (EDT) today (April 7th). I would like to ask for your comment on the quality of the audio and video, if you have a chance to watch it. Thanks, Jimmy From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 10:23:06 1995 Received: from nlm.nih.gov (actually lhc.nlm.nih.gov) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:28:51 -0700 Received: from billings.csb (billings.nlm.nih.gov) by nlm.nih.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA13433; Fri, 7 Apr 95 09:27:26 EDT Received: by billings.csb (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28916; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:26:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:26:00 -0400 From: rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.) Message-Id: <9504071326.AA28916@billings.csb> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: DANVERS IETF: MBONE PROBLEMS Cc: stev@ftp.com, mwalnut@CNRI.Reston.VA.US, casner@isi.edu, rodgers@nlm.nih.gov, aronson@billings.nlm.nih.gov X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Seems largely irrelevant to us -- we have not seen an IETF announcement on sd since about Monday or Tuesday. Our access provider, SURAnet, is not seeing them either... Cheerio, Rick Rodgers > From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 6 20:23 EDT 1995 > From: Megan Davies Walnut > > Hi, > > Steve Knowles (IETF Local Host) asked me to let you know that > one of the workstations we've been using to broadcast over the > mbone is not functioning properly. Therefore until further notice, > the following will take place. From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 10:29:18 1995 Received: from stargate.acs.ohio-state.edu by osi-east.es.net via ESnet SMTP service id <09963-0@osi-east.es.net>; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 07:28:35 +0000 Received: from localhost by stargate.acs.ohio-state.edu (8.6.4/5.901231) id KAA07836; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:28:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:17:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Dixon Subject: Re: Conference Audio Suggestions To: rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Prompted by a question from a reader of this group, I have now conducted further audio experiments on a Sun Sparkstation and a Silicon Graphics Indy. It rurns out they are much easier to work with than a Mac. They have standard 1/8" input jacks, and take standard "mike" level audio. The audio amplifier needed for the Mac does not work well with the unix boxes, because it is too powerful. Instead, I recommend use of the Radio Shack "4 Channel Stereo Microphone Mixer" for sending conference audio into a Sun or SGI. This inexpensive box accepts up to four inputs at both "line" and "mike" levels, and provides controllable mike level output. I have one here, and it works fine. It is powered by a standard nine volt battery, so is very portable. Keep spare batteries on hand or else use a battery eliminator run from the power line. Check to see that the battery eliminator does not cause hum in the audio. Bob From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 11:01:12 1995 Received: from dragon.cc.ncsu.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 07:08:50 -0700 Received: by dragon.cc.ncsu.edu (8.6.9/EC06jan95) id KAA29291; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:08:31 -0400 From: Phillip A Emer Message-Id: <9504071008.ZM29289@eos.ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:08:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: Dixon Berry "AlphaServer 2000, OSF/1 2.1" (Apr 7, 8:55am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 15feb95) To: Dixon Berry Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2000, OSF/1 2.1 Cc: rem-conf@es.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 7, 8:55am, Dixon Berry wrote: > Subject: AlphaServer 2000, OSF/1 2.1 > > Can anyone give me a clue about mrouted for the subject system/OS? I've > read that OSF/1 can be its own mbone router; like, maybe I don't need an > mbone aware ip router. Es verdad? > > ciao > You are correct sir. We are using an Alpha running OSF 2.1 running mrouted as an mbone tunnel fanout box - works fine here. phil emer -- ==================================================================== Phillip Emer | phil_emer@ncsu.edu Network Engineer | (919) 515-5491 Research, Development and Data Communications | North Carolina State University | ==================================================================== From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 11:04:05 1995 Received: from tutuila.gsfc.nasa.gov by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:41:33 -0700 Received: by tutuila.gsfc.nasa.gov (950215.SGI.8.6.10/930416.SGI.AUTO) for rem-conf@es.net id JAA26416; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:45:34 -0400 From: gene@tutuila.gsfc.nasa.gov Message-Id: <199504071345.JAA26416@tutuila.gsfc.nasa.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:45:32 -0500 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL0] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 12 unsubscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 11:52:58 1995 Received: from philabs.philips.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 08:24:30 -0700 Received: from mars.philabs.philips.com by philabs.philips.com (smail2.5/12-15-87/4.1) id AA12749; Fri, 7 Apr 95 11:24:26 EDT Received: by mars.philabs.philips.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02818; Fri, 7 Apr 95 11:24:24 EDT Date: Fri, 7 Apr 95 11:24:24 EDT From: jec@philabs.philips.com (Jorge E. Caviedes) Message-Id: <9504071524.AA02818@mars.philabs.philips.com> To: john@invision.com, hays@scri.fsu.edu Subject: RE: Unsubscribe Cc: rem-conf@es.net, RWHITE@micah.chowan.edu Very good information John, Perhaps a monthly posting of the FAQ, including listserv administrivia, and the guidelines may help the subscribers. JEC From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 12:54:08 1995 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 08:59:13 -0700 Received: from xfr.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-21) id ; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 08:59:02 -0700 Posted-Date: Fri 7 Apr 95 08:58:53 PDT Received: by xfr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id ; Fri, 7 Apr 95 08:58:54 PDT Date: Fri 7 Apr 95 08:58:53 PDT From: Stephen Casner Subject: Re: DANVERS IETF: MBONE PROBLEMS To: RODGERS@nlm.nih.gov, rem-conf@es.net Cc: stev@ftp.com, mwalnut@cnri.reston.va.us, casner@ISI.EDU, aronson@billings.nlm.nih.gov Message-Id: <797273933.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> In-Reply-To: <9504071326.AA28916@billings.csb> Mail-System-Version: Rick, I'm sorry to hear that there was some problem with the IETF announcements reaching you. I don't know where the problem was. But I do want to provide a note that balances some of the trouble reports >from earlier in the week. On Wednesday night, the MBone played a crucial role in the IDMR working group, and did it very well as far as I could tell. Deborah Estrin gave a presentation to the group from ISI, and the audio came through very well (No wb, but Dino Farinacci turned slides locally.) There were very few dropouts. Van Jacobson made some comments, and out of 3500 packets, 14 were missing. Deborah even slipped a joke smoothly into running conversation. If the others heard us as well as we heard them, I'd say it was fine. -- Steve ------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 13:14:36 1995 Received: from wilgate.wiltel.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 08:52:33 -0700 Received: from phantom.wiltel.com.phantom (phantom.wiltel.com) by wilgate.wiltel.com with SMTP id AA00873 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:55:09 -0500 Received: by phantom.wiltel.com.phantom (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10274; Fri, 7 Apr 95 10:55:29 CDT From: chris_whittenburg@wiltel.com (Chris Whittenburg) Message-Id: <9504071555.AA10274@phantom.wiltel.com.phantom> Subject: Reliable Multicast over Frame Relay To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:55:28 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 498 I'm looking for pointers to the reliable multicast documents, and any input on how ip-multicast fits in with the frame relay multicast as defined recently by the frame relay forum. Prism recently released a reliable multicast product which works with frame relay. Regards, chris A -- Chris Whittenburg Data Network Mechanic (918) 588-5845 WilTel Network Services chris_whittenburg@wiltel.com Me. From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 14:47:46 1995 Received: from surfer.emagic.com (actually surfer_i.emagic.com) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 11:18:26 -0700 Received: from [140.174.183.7] (adelaide.emagic.com [140.174.183.7]) by surfer.emagic.com (8.6.9/8.6.9-MT2.02) with SMTP id LAA02392 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 11:18:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: ag@surfer.emagic.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 11:18:25 -0700 To: rem-conf@es.net From: ag@emagic.com (Andrew Green) Subject: New URL form for audio conferencing Hi, We're preparing a new version of NetPhone that understands URLs passed to it by the normal Macintosh mechanism. Currently we've implemented support for a very simple scheme: x-netphone:// I'd like to open a discussion on this topic. NetPhone supports both vat and it's own protocol, and will soon support RTP too. So even in our limited world there's the need to specify what protocol to use when making a call. In addition, there's the need to specify what payload format to use, or which kinds of payloads are going to be understood at the receiving end. I will be maintaining a draft of where we're at with NetPhone URLs at: http://www.emagic.com/netphone/url-spec.html starting a couple of days from now. Comments? A __________________________________________________________________ Andrew Green ag@emagic.com netphone://adelaide.emagic.com Electric Magic Company Voice: (800) 987 2001 209 Downey Street +1 (415) 759 4100 San Francisco, CA 94117-4421 Fax: +1 (415) 566 6615 http://www.emagic.com/ From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 17:29:56 1995 Received: from cerc.wvu.edu (actually cathedral.cerc.wvu.edu) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:00:03 -0700 Received: from elk (elk.cerc.wvu.edu) by cerc.wvu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0:RAL-041790) id AA02462; Fri, 7 Apr 95 15:59:54 EDT Received: by elk (5.0//ident-1.0) id AA00627; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:59:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:59:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd L. Montgomery" Subject: Re: Reliable Multicast over Frame Relay To: Chris Whittenburg Cc: rem-conf@es.net, Brian Whetten In-Reply-To: <9504071555.AA10274@phantom.wiltel.com.phantom> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 487 Information about RMP - The Reliable Multicast Protocol can be found here: http://research.ivv.nasa.gov/projects/RMP/RMP.html -- Todd On Fri, 7 Apr 1995, Chris Whittenburg wrote: > > I'm looking for pointers to the reliable multicast documents, and > any input on how ip-multicast fits in with the frame relay > multicast as defined recently by the frame relay forum. > > Prism recently released a reliable multicast product which works > with frame relay. > > Regards, > chris From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 17:30:17 1995 Received: from trystero.radio.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:31:58 -0700 Received: (carl@localhost) by trystero.radio.com (8.6.10/940816.06ccg) id QAA07716; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 16:31:38 -0400 From: Carl Malamud Message-Id: <199504072031.QAA07716@trystero.radio.com> Subject: Re: IETF MBone audio is terrible! To: fair@apple.com (Erik E. Fair) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 16:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Cc: kevin@cc.gatech.edu, booloo@framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov, rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <12884.797005035@apple.com> from "Erik E. Fair" at Apr 4, 95 07:17:15 am Organization: Internet Multicasting Service X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 198 According to Erik E. Fair: > > I watched Carl & the crew Just to be clear ... my group was not involved in this IETF. Don't want to take credit from the folks that are actually doing the work. From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 17:30:56 1995 Received: from jazz.ncren.net by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:42:37 -0700 Received: from micah.chowan.edu by jazz.ncren.net (5.65/tas-ncren/may94) id AA05848; Fri, 7 Apr 95 16:42:13 -0400 Received: from CHOWAN_NET/MAILROOM by micah.chowan.edu (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 95 15:41:08 EST Received: from MAILROOM by CHOWAN_NET (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 95 15:40:51 EST From: Keith White To: jec@philabs.philips.com (Jorge E. Caviedes) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:40:44 EST Subject: RE: Unsubscribe Cc: rem-conf@es.net, RWHITE@micah.chowan.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-Id: <10A205B056D@micah.chowan.edu> ==>Date sent: Fri, 7 Apr 95 11:24:24 EDT ==>From: jec@philabs.philips.com (Jorge E. Caviedes) ==>To: john@invision.com, hays@scri.fsu.edu ==>Subject: RE: Unsubscribe ==>Copies to: rem-conf@es.net, RWHITE@micah.chowan.edu ==> ==> ==>Very good information John, ==> ==>Perhaps a monthly posting of the FAQ, including listserv administrivia, ==>and the guidelines may help the subscribers. ==> ==>JEC ==> ==> Yes but this doesn't help me get my name off the list. I have gone through the procedure set forth previously and it has not worked! Help me! End Keith White RWhite@micah.chowan.edu "I have only myself to blame I suppose." -Q ******************************************* "I'll answer any ten questions which call for a yes or a no." -Q From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 17:31:18 1995 Received: from vega.unive.it by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:48:10 -0700 Received: by vega.unive.it id AA28594 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for rem-conf@es.net); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 22:49:46 +0200 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 22:49:46 +0200 (METDST) From: Salvatore Scaglione To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: iscrizione lista Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Prego iscrivermi alla mailing list rem-conf. Il mio nome e' Salvatore Scaglione ed il mio indirizzo: scaglio@unive.it. Grazie From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 17:31:39 1995 Received: from jazz.ncren.net by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:42:39 -0700 Received: from micah.chowan.edu by jazz.ncren.net (5.65/tas-ncren/may94) id AA05848; Fri, 7 Apr 95 16:42:13 -0400 Received: from CHOWAN_NET/MAILROOM by micah.chowan.edu (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 95 15:41:08 EST Received: from MAILROOM by CHOWAN_NET (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 95 15:40:51 EST From: Keith White To: jec@philabs.philips.com (Jorge E. Caviedes) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:40:44 EST Subject: RE: Unsubscribe Cc: rem-conf@es.net, RWHITE@micah.chowan.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-Id: <10A205B056D@micah.chowan.edu> From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 17:32:50 1995 Received: from andrew.cmu.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 11:57:59 -0700 Received: (from postman@localhost) by andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA12081 for rem-conf@es.net; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:57:52 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs1.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs1.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.60.Jan.26.1995.18.44.27.pmax.ul4.EzMail.2.0.c.s.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs1.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.pcs1.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:56:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Ashish Bisarya To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: mbone broadcast Cc: We are trying to do traffic analysis of the mbone and wanted to study the 'distributed objects for interactive tv' the berkeley multimedia seminar at 2:30pm Friday April 7. However the seminar has not shown up in the sd window as a session. Are we doing something wrong or do we have to subscribe especially to receive this seminar. Thanks, Ashish and Ming From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 17:33:21 1995 Received: from nlm.nih.gov (actually lhc.nlm.nih.gov) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:00:08 -0700 Received: from billings.csb (billings.nlm.nih.gov) by nlm.nih.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA27689; Fri, 7 Apr 95 14:59:37 EDT Received: by billings.csb (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00416; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:58:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:58:08 -0400 From: rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.) Message-Id: <9504071858.AA00416@billings.csb> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: IETF MBone audio is terrible! Cc: J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk, kevin@cc.gatech.edu, Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk, rodges@billings.nlm.nih.gov, aronson@billings.nlm.nih.gov, likavec@igd.fhg.de X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Graeme and Other Esteemed MBONE Bolleagues, > On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Kevin C. Almeroth wrote: > > > > Just looking at this first problem... it seems that someone needs to > > write a FAQ or something about doing audio at a conference. Probably > > the most important requirement is to tie the audio in to the microphones. > > The MICE National Support Centres will be producing such documentation. Excellent! Thought I can't imagine how to produce anything short of a full technician's handbook on audio, applicable world-wide, that will satisfy. I find again and again that poor audio is the chief problem one faces in doing a good multicast, and the list of potential problems is legion. With regard to other multicast conference documentation, you may want to have a look at the materials we have produced for the 2nd and 3rd Int. WWW Confs. The latest version is on the Darmstadt Conf. server: http://www.igd.fhg.de/www95.html/ We also have an extensive report with remote listener survey on our NLM server: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/reports.dir/multicasting.dir/report.html We hope some of this may be of help to the MICE group, and will follow your documentation efforts with great interest and enthusiasm... > > > Of course, I'm still waiting for a conference to actually use the > > wb for slides. Using nv or vic doesn't cut it when it comes to > > readability as well as trying to capture slides and the speaker in > > the picture. > > Well this really relies on people coming prepared with PostScript > versions of their slides before the conference starts. Unfortunately, a > lot of people write their presentations in the bar the evening before... :-) The only solution fot this will be to close the bars early 8^) I agree that nv/vic don't work as a slide substitute. I'm not sure that wb does all that well, either. We are going to try to experiment with a new multicasting Web application for the Darmstadt meeting. Once we get all the kinks out of it (maybe not in time for this WWW Conf., but certainly for the Fall meeting in Boston), I think it may give wb a run for the money as a form of network replacement for an overhead slide projector. Cheerio, Rick Rodgers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D. Computer Science Branch rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (Internet) Lister Hill National Center rodgers@nlm.nih.gov.arpa (BITNET) for Biomedical Communication (301)496-9300 (office) National Library of Medicine, NIH (301)496-0673 (fax) 8600 Rockville Pike (301)564-9343 (home) Bethesda MD 20894 USA http://www.nlm.nih.gov/lhc.dir/csb.dir/roster.dir/rodgers.html > > ============================================================================= > Graeme Wood Email: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk > Unix Systems Support Phone: +44 131 650 5003 > The University of Edinburgh Fax: +44 131 650 6552 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Scottish MICE National Support Centre Email: mice-nsc-scotland@ed.ac.uk > for your multimedia conferencing support WWW: http://mice.ed.ac.uk/mice/ > ============================================================================= From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 17:45:38 1995 Received: from nlm.nih.gov (actually lhc.nlm.nih.gov) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:01:30 -0700 Received: from billings.csb (billings.nlm.nih.gov) by nlm.nih.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA27745; Fri, 7 Apr 95 15:00:14 EDT Received: by billings.csb (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00426; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:58:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:58:47 -0400 From: rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.) Message-Id: <9504071858.AA00426@billings.csb> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: IETF MBone audio is terrible! Cc: J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk, kevin@cc.gatech.edu, Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk, rodgers@nlm.nih.gov, aronson@billings.nlm.nih.gov, likavec@igd.fhg.de X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Graeme and Other Esteemed MBONE Bolleagues, > On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Kevin C. Almeroth wrote: > > > > Just looking at this first problem... it seems that someone needs to > > write a FAQ or something about doing audio at a conference. Probably > > the most important requirement is to tie the audio in to the microphones. > > The MICE National Support Centres will be producing such documentation. Excellent! Thought I can't imagine how to produce anything short of a full technician's handbook on audio, applicable world-wide, that will satisfy. I find again and again that poor audio is the chief problem one faces in doing a good multicast, and the list of potential problems is legion. With regard to other multicast conference documentation, you may want to have a look at the materials we have produced for the 2nd and 3rd Int. WWW Confs. The latest version is on the Darmstadt Conf. server: http://www.igd.fhg.de/www95.html/ We also have an extensive report with remote listener survey on our NLM server: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/reports.dir/multicasting.dir/report.html We hope some of this may be of help to the MICE group, and will follow your documentation efforts with great interest and enthusiasm... > > > Of course, I'm still waiting for a conference to actually use the > > wb for slides. Using nv or vic doesn't cut it when it comes to > > readability as well as trying to capture slides and the speaker in > > the picture. > > Well this really relies on people coming prepared with PostScript > versions of their slides before the conference starts. Unfortunately, a > lot of people write their presentations in the bar the evening before... :-) The only solution fot this will be to close the bars early 8^) I agree that nv/vic don't work as a slide substitute. I'm not sure that wb does all that well, either. We are going to try to experiment with a new multicasting Web application for the Darmstadt meeting. Once we get all the kinks out of it (maybe not in time for this WWW Conf., but certainly for the Fall meeting in Boston), I think it may give wb a run for the money as a form of network replacement for an overhead slide projector. Cheerio, Rick Rodgers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D. Computer Science Branch rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (Internet) Lister Hill National Center rodgers@nlm.nih.gov.arpa (BITNET) for Biomedical Communication (301)496-9300 (office) National Library of Medicine, NIH (301)496-0673 (fax) 8600 Rockville Pike (301)564-9343 (home) Bethesda MD 20894 USA http://www.nlm.nih.gov/lhc.dir/csb.dir/roster.dir/rodgers.html > > ============================================================================= > Graeme Wood Email: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk > Unix Systems Support Phone: +44 131 650 5003 > The University of Edinburgh Fax: +44 131 650 6552 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Scottish MICE National Support Centre Email: mice-nsc-scotland@ed.ac.uk > for your multimedia conferencing support WWW: http://mice.ed.ac.uk/mice/ > ============================================================================= From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 07 23:40:27 1995 Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:56:05 -0700 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03198; Fri, 7 Apr 95 14:55:01 PDT From: brutzman@cs.nps.navy.mil (Don Brutzman) Message-Id: <9504072155.AA03198@cs.nps.navy.mil> Subject: VRML BOF meeting at Symposium on Interactive 3D Graphics To: www-vrml@wired.com (Virtual Reality Modeling Language list), rem-conf@es.net Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:55:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3221 This message pertains to the VRML (Virtual Reality Modeling Language) and MBone (Multicast Backbone - remote conferencing) communities. We will have a VRML Birds of a Feather meeting at the SIGGRAPH 1995 Symposium on Interactive 3D Graphics meeting in Monterey next week. Time: Monday 10 April 95, 9:30 pm Location: Demo room, Hyatt Regency Hotel, Monterey CA Several VRML list members have said they may be able to bring software to view VRML, but we shall see what actually is there. We will have most types of machine architectures available and networked for your use. Please feel free to post plans/problems/possibilities to the list in reply to this message so we can adequately react to the many late-breaking developments prior to Monday night. More info about the I3DG symposium is at ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/SYMPOSIUM_MOSAIC/symposium_mosaic.html The entire conference will be multicast on the MBone, including the VRML session. For more info on MBone, see the second excerpt which follows. We will be putting out the full conference on a single channel in cooperation with the International WWW Conference in Germany. all the best, Don ======================== >From the I3DG symposium call: Where is the frontier today in real-time, interactive 3D graphics ? The purpose of the symposium is to look at what research groups are doing with their high-performance, real-time, interactive graphics systems, to find out what special purpose graphics engines and input/output devices are on the drawing board, to discuss which are the most user-friendly paradigms for interaction with such systems and to learn what applications are still waiting for an appropriate 3D interactive system. The symposium will consist of technical sessions in which formal papers are presented and discussed, and of hands-on demonstrations where research groups and vendors of equipment demonstrate the state-of-the-art in this field. ======================== "MBone Provides Audio and Video Across the Internet" Michael R. Macedonia and Donald P. Brutzman _IEEE COMPUTER_, vol. 27 no. 4, pp. 30-36, April 1994. PostScript, text, and hypertext versions of this article are available as ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/i3la/mbone.ps ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/i3la/mbone.txt ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/i3la/mbone.html IP address of taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil is 131.120.1.13 We wrote this article for two reasons. The first was to clarify terminology and technical questions about how the MBone works. The second was to help people get their sites connected and use the tools more effectively. Hopefully the article is of value in these respects to you. Mike and I again wish to thank the originators of the MBone tools and the dozens of MBone users who provided essential contributions to this article. Pointers to additional resources can be found at ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/mosaic/mbone.html http://www.eit.com/techinfo/mbone/ -- Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code OR/Br work 408.656.2149 Monterey California 93943-5000 USA fax 408.656.2595 AUV Underwater Virtual World ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/auv/auv.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Apr 08 00:32:29 1995 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (actually SGI.COM) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:39:27 -0700 Received: from sgihub.corp.sgi.com by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) for <@sgi.sgi.com:rem-conf@es.net> id PAA12830; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:38:42 -0700 Received: from anemone.corp.sgi.com by sgihub.corp.sgi.com via ESMTP (940519.SGI.8.6.9/911001.SGI) for <@sgi.sgi.com:rem-conf@es.net> id PAA09239; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:38:43 -0700 Received: from localhost by anemone.corp.sgi.com via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) for id PAA21908; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:38:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199504072238.PAA21908@anemone.corp.sgi.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: cypherpunks meeting tomorrow Date: Fri, 07 Apr 95 15:38:40 -0700 From: Katy Kislitzin I'll be mcasting the bay area cypherpunks meeting tomorrow Sat April 8 in the afternoon. haven't seen any conflicts whiz by, so if i'm mistaken, let me know asap. --kt From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Apr 08 11:19:01 1995 Received: from cerc.wvu.edu (actually cathedral.cerc.wvu.edu) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 07:50:46 -0700 Received: from calhoun (calhoun.cerc.wvu.edu) by cerc.wvu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0:RAL-041790) id AA17524; Sat, 8 Apr 95 10:50:43 EDT From: alsalqan@cerc.wvu.edu (Yahya Alsalqan) Received: by calhoun (5.65//ident-1.0) id AA03967; Sat, 8 Apr 1995 10:50:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9504081450.AA03967@calhoun> Subject: Re: mbone broadcast To: ab45+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ashish Bisarya) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 10:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Cc: rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: from "Ashish Bisarya" at Apr 7, 95 02:56:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 583 The seminar started at 2:30 , however the broadcast started at 3:00 .. so it seems that every body lost the first half hour. Can UCB do any thing about (rebroadcast)? Thanks Yahya Al-SAlqan > > We are trying to do traffic analysis of the mbone and wanted > to study the 'distributed objects for interactive tv' the > berkeley multimedia seminar at 2:30pm Friday April 7. > However the seminar has not shown up in the sd window as a > session. Are we doing something wrong or do we have to > subscribe especially to receive this seminar. > > Thanks, > Ashish and Ming > From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Apr 09 01:27:56 1995 Received: from jupiter.acs.oakland.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 22:00:27 -0700 Received: (from srodawa@localhost) by jupiter.acs.oakland.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA02458; Sun, 9 Apr 1995 01:01:16 -0400 From: srodawa@jupiter.acs.oakland.edu Message-Id: <199504090501.BAA02458@jupiter.acs.oakland.edu> Subject: MBONE code for Solaris 2.4. To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 01:01:16 -0500 (EDT) Cc: srodawa@jupiter.acs.oakland.edu (Ron Srodawa) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 200 Could someone please point me to MBONE source/binary files for Solaris 2.4 on a SPARCstation? In particular I must use a version of mrouted which supports pruning. Thanks, Ron. srodawa@oakland.edu From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Apr 09 05:02:32 1995 Received: from maila.surrey.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 01:34:02 -0700 Received: from ee.surrey.ac.uk (actually ainur-gate.ee.surrey.ac.uk) by maila.surrey.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 09:33:50 +0100 Received: from eros.ee.surrey.ac.uk by ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk via Ethernet with SMTP id aa01737; 9 Apr 95 9:33 BST Subject: MBone Connection To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 09:32:03 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 422 From: A.Sadka@ee.surrey.ac.uk Sender: A.Sadka@ee.surrey.ac.uk Message-ID: <9504090832.aa23423@eros.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Hello , Can anyone enlightens us what's most convenient way to get a connection to Mbone ; we're in surrey , 25 miles to the south west of london ; where would it be best to establish a tunnel to ? For backgroud info , we're running with an SGI Indy which you all know support IP multicast. Any technical and administrative guide would be highly appreciated. Direct emails are welcome . Thanks in advance, Fan. From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Apr 09 07:01:10 1995 Received: from cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 03:24:26 -0700 Received: from scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk (jaw@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.200.48]) by cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA19448; Sun, 9 Apr 1995 11:24:14 +0100 Received: (jaw@localhost) by scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA24532; Sun, 9 Apr 1995 11:24:12 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 11:24:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199504091024.LAA24532@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Graeme Wood Subject: Re: MBone Connection To: A.Sadka@ee.surrey.ac.uk, rem-conf@es.net, mbone-admin@sun.mhs-relay.ac.uk In-Reply-To: A.Sadka@ee.surrey.ac.uk's message of Sun, 9 Apr 1995 09:32:03 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk X-Department: Unix Systems Support, Computing Services X-Organisation: The University of Edinburgh X-URL: "http://ugwww.ucs.ed.ac.uk/~jaw/" X-Phone: +44 31 650 5003 X-Fax: +44 31 650 6552 Cc: mice-nsc@cs.ucl.ac.uk > Can anyone enlightens us what's most convenient way to get > a connection to Mbone ; we're in surrey , 25 miles to the > south west of london ; where would it be best to establish > a tunnel to ? > > > For backgroud info , we're running with an SGI Indy which > you all know support IP multicast. > > > Any technical and administrative guide would be highly > appreciated. Direct emails are welcome . Connection to the JIPS MBONE is managed by the JANET NOSC at ULCC. I am forwarding this message to them in case they have not noticed your request. They will be able to help you with a connection, though there are some restrictions on getting the connection setup. For general information about the MBONE, MBONE tools and documentation please contact the MICE National Support Centre for England at UCL. Their Web server is at http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mice/mice-nsc/ and their email address is mice-nsc@cs.ucl.ac.uk. ============================================================================= Graeme Wood Email: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk Unix Systems Support Phone: +44 131 650 5003 The University of Edinburgh Fax: +44 131 650 6552 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scottish MICE National Support Centre Email: mice-nsc-scotland@ed.ac.uk for your multimedia conferencing support WWW: http://mice.ed.ac.uk/mice/ ============================================================================= From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Apr 09 09:22:13 1995 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 05:54:06 -0700 Received: from waffle.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Sun, 9 Apr 1995 13:53:48 +0100 To: A.Sadka@ee.surrey.ac.uk cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: MBone Connection In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 09 Apr 95 09:32:03 BST." <9504090832.aa23423@eros.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 95 13:53:42 +0100 Message-ID: <1972.797432022@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Jon Crowcroft >Can anyone enlightens us what's most convenient way to get >a connection to Mbone ; we're in surrey , 25 miles to the >south west of london ; where would it be best to establish >a tunnel to ? Fan, the UK has a managed mbone pilot service - simply apply to Mick Kahn M.Kahn@ulcc.ac.uk or Syngen Brown and ask to be attached.... we do things right here for internet users in the UK :-) jon From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Apr 09 16:11:25 1995 Received: from inet.ed.gov by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 12:43:03 -0700 Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 15:44:05 -0400 To: rem-conf@es.net From: bsobilof@inet.ed.gov (Blake Sobiloff) Subject: RE: Unsubscribe At 3:40 PM 4/7/95, Keith White wrote: >Yes but this doesn't help me get my name off the list. I >have gone through the procedure set forth previously and it >has not worked! Help me! I hate to keep this thread alive, but I'm having trouble removing myself >from the list as well. The person who administers the primary list did a great job pointing out that I was actually subscribed to a remailer at ISI, but unfortunately the ISI folks haven't removed me from the list despite assurances to the contrary. -- Blake Sobiloff Internet Systems Analyst (speaking only for myself) Decision Systems Technologies, Inc. Voice: 301/441-3377 Greenbelt, MD 20770 USA Fax: 301/441-4571 http://inet.ed.gov/~bsobilof/ From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 10 00:20:26 1995 Received: from netpower-lan.netpower.com (actually 199.182.95.2) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 20:51:41 -0700 Received: from ipcb.NeTpower.com (ipcb.netpower.com [198.102.245.2]) by netpower-lan.netpower.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA17934; Sun, 9 Apr 1995 20:50:15 -0700 Received: from mailgate.netpower.com by ipcb.NeTpower.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04576; Sun, 9 Apr 95 20:41:14 PDT Received: by mailgate.netpower.com with Microsoft Mail id <2F88ABF6@mailgate.netpower.com>; Sun, 09 Apr 95 20:54:30 PDT From: Chris Hall To: brutzman , rem-conf , www-vrml Subject: RE: VRML BOF meeting at Symposium on Interactive 3D Graphics Date: Sun, 09 Apr 95 20:41:00 PDT Message-Id: <2F88ABF6@mailgate.netpower.com> Encoding: 92 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I will definately be showing my VRML browser on NT. It is brand-new (finished today), so I welcome everyone to bring along their favorite VRML URLS for me to test is with... Cheers Chris Hall NeTpower ---------- From: brutzman To: www-vrml; rem-conf Subject: VRML BOF meeting at Symposium on Interactive 3D Graphics Date: Friday, April 07, 1995 2:55PM This message pertains to the VRML (Virtual Reality Modeling Language) and MBone (Multicast Backbone - remote conferencing) communities. We will have a VRML Birds of a Feather meeting at the SIGGRAPH 1995 Symposium on Interactive 3D Graphics meeting in Monterey next week. Time: Monday 10 April 95, 9:30 pm Location: Demo room, Hyatt Regency Hotel, Monterey CA Several VRML list members have said they may be able to bring software to view VRML, but we shall see what actually is there. We will have most types of machine architectures available and networked for your use. Please feel free to post plans/problems/possibilities to the list in reply to this message so we can adequately react to the many late-breaking developments prior to Monday night. More info about the I3DG symposium is at ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/SYMPOSIUM_MOSAIC/symposium_mosaic.html The entire conference will be multicast on the MBone, including the VRML session. For more info on MBone, see the second excerpt which follows. We will be putting out the full conference on a single channel in cooperation with the International WWW Conference in Germany. all the best, Don ======================== >From the I3DG symposium call: Where is the frontier today in real-time, interactive 3D graphics ? The purpose of the symposium is to look at what research groups are doing with their high-performance, real-time, interactive graphics systems, to find out what special purpose graphics engines and input/output devices are on the drawing board, to discuss which are the most user-friendly paradigms for interaction with such systems and to learn what applications are still waiting for an appropriate 3D interactive system. The symposium will consist of technical sessions in which formal papers are presented and discussed, and of hands-on demonstrations where research groups and vendors of equipment demonstrate the state-of-the-art in this field. ======================== "MBone Provides Audio and Video Across the Internet" Michael R. Macedonia and Donald P. Brutzman _IEEE COMPUTER_, vol. 27 no. 4, pp. 30-36, April 1994. PostScript, text, and hypertext versions of this article are available as ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/i3la/mbone.ps ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/i3la/mbone.txt ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/i3la/mbone.html IP address of taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil is 131.120.1.13 We wrote this article for two reasons. The first was to clarify terminology and technical questions about how the MBone works. The second was to help people get their sites connected and use the tools more effectively. Hopefully the article is of value in these respects to you. Mike and I again wish to thank the originators of the MBone tools and the dozens of MBone users who provided essential contributions to this article. Pointers to additional resources can be found at ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/mosaic/mbone.html http://www.eit.com/techinfo/mbone/ -- Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code OR/Br work 408.656.2149 Monterey California 93943-5000 USA fax 408.656.2595 AUV Underwater Virtual World ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/auv/auv.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 10 11:26:51 1995 Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 07:35:08 -0700 Received: from poseidon.cs.utwente.nl by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (5.0/csrelayMX-SVR4_1.0/RB) id AA11081; Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:34:57 --100 Received: from maas.cs.utwente.nl by poseidon.cs.utwente.nl (5.0/csrelay-Sol1.3/RB) id AA09788; Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:34:51 --100 Message-Id: <9504101434.AA09788@poseidon.cs.utwente.nl> Received: by maas; Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:34:48 +0200 From: breemen@cs.utwente.nl Subject: How do I get on this list??? To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 16:34:47 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Content-Length: 686 Hello everybody, I would like to know how I can subsribe to this list... And I would like to know where I can find an archive of this list so that I can read the discussions that have been going on in the list... Thanks you in advance for you help, Please respond directly to my e-mail address.. Regards, Robert -- _///_ Robert van den Breemen /(o o)\ =======================================oOO0==(_)==oOOo====================== breemen@cs.utwente.nl | phone +31-74-910474 / +31-5750-15113 http://www.cs.utwente.nl/~breemen/ | =====================================================[ the Netherlands ]==== From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 10 11:59:36 1995 Received: from usr.com (actually INTERGATE.USR.COM) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 08:15:01 -0700 Received: from robogate.usr.com by usr.com (8.6.9/3.1.090690-US Robotics ) id JAA31099; Mon, 10 Apr 1995 09:28:41 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by robogate.usr.com id AA797533831; Mon, 10 Apr 95 09:17:10 CST Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 09:17:10 CST From: Rick Royston Message-Id: <9503107975.AA797533831@robogate.usr.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Unsubscribe unsubscribe rroyston@usr.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 10 12:21:17 1995 Received: from portal (actually portal.netedge.com) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 08:39:55 -0700 Received: from NetEdge.COM by portal id AA11931; Mon, 10 Apr 95 11:36:25 EDT Received: from suicidesix.NetEdge.COM by NetEdge.COM id AA12607; Mon, 10 Apr 95 11:39:38 EDT Return-Path: Received: from localhost by suicidesix.NetEdge.COM (4.1/NECL-6.14) id AA03622; Mon, 10 Apr 95 11:33:22 EDT Message-Id: <9504101533.AA03622@NetEdge.COM> To: Stephen Casner Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: DANVERS IETF: MBONE PROBLEMS In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 07 Apr 1995 08:58:53 PDT." <797273933.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <3619.797528001.1@suicidesix> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:33:22 -0400 From: Thomas Pusateri In message <797273933.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> you write: >Rick, > >But I do want to provide a note that balances some of the trouble reports >from earlier in the week. On Wednesday night, the MBone played a crucial >role in the IDMR working group, and did it very well as far as I could tell. >Deborah Estrin gave a presentation to the group from ISI, and the audio >came through very well (No wb, but Dino Farinacci turned slides locally.) >There were very few dropouts. Van Jacobson made some comments, and out >of 3500 packets, 14 were missing. Deborah even slipped a joke smoothly >into running conversation. If the others heard us as well as we heard >them, I'd say it was fine. > -- Steve I would like to second this. I was very pleased with the quality of audio of Deborah's presentation. In fact, and please don't take this wrong Deborah, but I found it even easier to follow because Deborah spoke much slower than when on site. This may be due to the perception that one is far away or it may be done on purpose by her but again I was very pleased. Thanks, Tom From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 10 15:52:32 1995 Received: from ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:13:45 -0700 Received: from [129.69.30.90] (ksmac1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de) by ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA11197; Mon, 10 Apr 95 12:11:54 PDT Message-Id: <9504101911.AA11197@ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov> X-Sender: jed@ocfmail.llnl.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 21:12:22 +0100 To: chris_whittenburg@wiltel.com (Chris Whittenburg) From: jed@llnl.gov (James E. [Jed] Donnelley) Subject: Re: Reliable Multicast over Frame Relay Cc: rem-conf@es.net >I'm looking for pointers to the reliable multicast documents, and >any input on how ip-multicast fits in with the frame relay >multicast as defined recently by the frame relay forum. The best source of such documents that I know is Jon Knight's: http://hill.lut.ac.uk/DS-Archive/MTP.html --Jed -> http://www-atp.llnl.gov/atp/jed-signature.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 10 17:58:02 1995 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 14:45:12 -0700 Received: from hplabsz.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.36.108.11 $/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA198440290; Mon, 10 Apr 1995 14:44:51 -0700 Received: by hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.15/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA098670304; Mon, 10 Apr 1995 14:45:04 -0700 From: Laura de Leon Message-Id: <9504101445.ZM9865@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 14:45:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.0.0 15dec93) To: deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com, rem-conf@es.net, sage-announce@usenix.org, baylisa@baylisa.org Subject: BayLISA: Rich Salz on DCE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 The BayLISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to systems and network administrators. The meetings are free and open to the public. BayLISA holds monthly meetings on the third Thursday of each month at 7:30 PM PST. We meet at Synopsys Building C in Mountain View, California off Highway 237 at Middlefield. This meeting will also be broadcast via MBONE. Schedule -------- April 20th: Rich Salz on DCE The OSF DCE provides secure RPC. In order to meet this "simple" goal it was necessary to build a moderate infrastructure of a few core services. In this talk I will give a bit of DCE development history, an overview of the infrastructure, and point out how DCE will impact a system adminitrator's duties. I'll talk about DCE 1.0.3 and DCE 1.1. This is the "second edition" of a talk I presented at LISA VIII. To get further information on the meeting location, you can request it >from the majordomo server on baylisa.org, you can ftp it from ftp.baylisa.org:/BayLISA/location or you can query the BayLISA mail server by cutting and pasting the following line to your shell: echo "index baylisa" | mail majordomo@baylisa.org BayLISA makes video tapes of the meetings available to members. For more information on available videos, please send email to: video@baylisa.org For any other information, please send email to: info@baylisa.org If you have any questions, please contact me or any of the info alias listed above. From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 10 18:07:11 1995 Received: from SIRIUS.COM (actually terra.sirius.com) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 14:47:26 -0700 Received: from 205129.geo.net by SIRIUS.COM (NX5.67e/NX3.16M) id AA10744; Mon, 10 Apr 95 14:47:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 14:47:22 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) To: rem-conf@es.net From: i_access@SIRIUS.COM Subject: Internet World We are ready for mbone, noone out there? Alfredo Lusa internet access (AL97) http://www.ina.com:8800/ http://www.thumbsup.com:8600/index.html ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ COME SEE US TOMORROW AT Spring Internet World 95 * San Jose Convention Center, April 10-13, 1995 * * Monday: Tutorials * Tuesday & Wednesday: Sessions & Tutorials * * email iwconf@mecklermedia.com * Tel. 800-632-6976 * From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 10 20:52:11 1995 Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (actually cs.nps.navy.mil) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:33:14 -0700 Received: from libra.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06620; Mon, 10 Apr 95 17:32:12 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:32:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Macedonia To: mbone@isi.edu Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: MIT is jamming mbone In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We are getting lots of icmp packets from krypton.mit.edu. on the I3dg symposium mcast. Can someone at MIT help fix it? Mike Macedonia | macedonia@cs.nps.navy.mil MAJ, USA | CS Dept, Naval Postgraduate School, | Monterey, CA 93943 | PH:(408) 656-2903 FAX:(408) 656-2814 ------------------------------------------------------------ From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 10 22:43:40 1995 Received: from lanshark.sv.interop.net by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:50:56 -0700 Received: (from ericd@localhost) by lanshark.sv.interop.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA01280; Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:50:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:50:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Davis To: Chris Whittenburg cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Reliable Multicast over Frame Relay In-Reply-To: <9504071555.AA10274@phantom.wiltel.com.phantom> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Speaking of which, when can we start our tests? Eric On Fri, 7 Apr 1995, Chris Whittenburg wrote: > > I'm looking for pointers to the reliable multicast documents, and > any input on how ip-multicast fits in with the frame relay > multicast as defined recently by the frame relay forum. > > Prism recently released a reliable multicast product which works > with frame relay. > > Regards, > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A > > -- > Chris Whittenburg > Data Network Mechanic (918) 588-5845 > WilTel Network Services chris_whittenburg@wiltel.com > Me. > > From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 11 13:01:33 1995 Received: from tweety.cs.berkeley.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:01:00 -0700 Received: from tweety.cs.berkeley.edu (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by tweety.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.10/8.3) with ESMTP id KAA24734; Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:00:58 -0700 From: Larry Rowe Message-Id: <199504111700.KAA24734@tweety.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: ANNOUNCE: UCB MM Seminar (4/14) E. Hoffert (Apple) "Quicktime Conferencing..." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:00:57 -0700 MULTIMEDIA AND GRAPHICS SEMINAR Eric Hoffert Apple Computer, Inc Date: April 14,, 1995 Time: 2:30-3:30 Room: 405 Soda Hall Apple Computer recently announced QuickTime Conferencing, a system extension to the Macintosh operating system, and an additional component building upon the original QuickTime architectural framework. QuickTime Conferencing (QTC) is both an end-user and developer technology, focused on multimedia networking and collaborative applications. The developer technology consists of a set of open API specifications for multimedia networking, which allow application, software, hardware and network developers to easily add media conferencing to applications. QTC is compression, transport, protocol and media device independent. QTC allows for support of both standards based protocols (such as the worldwide teleconferencing standard H.320), along with proprietary protocols. The software allows for both multiparty conferencing and broadcast type applications supporting point to point, multipoint and multicast connection models. QTC runs on a variety of networks, such as Ethernet, ISDN, Token Ring and ATM, and initially uses the AppleTalk and TCP/IP network protocols. The QTC technology brings with it some new elements, such as a software based H.261 codec for PowerPC, and extensions to the AppleTalk protocol for multicasting on enterprise networks. The end-user component of QTC is a software application, called Apple Media Conference, which allows users to engage in multiparty conferencing, share and annotate multimedia data, broadcast digital audio and video on to a network and to record conversations into QuickTime movies. Via support of the H.320 teleconferencing standard along with an AV plug-in card, QTC users can video conference with users of H.320 systems in the PC and PC compatible world, allowing for cross-platform video conferencing interoperability. QTC is considered a software foundation on which interoperable conferencing applications can easily be built. These applications can stay the same, as the underlying network quality of service guarantees improve and the evolving information highway gets wider and faster digital pipes. ------------ This seminar will be broadcast on the MBONE starting promptly at 2:30. 405 Soda Hall is a relatively small seminar room (approx. 25 seats). Folks at Berkeley might want to attend the seminar by watching it on your workstation, if it can receive MBONE transmissions. For further information on accessing the MBONE contact see the FAQ (/usr/sww/doc/faq/mbone.faq). From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 11 19:18:33 1995 Received: from inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 16:17:52 -0700 Received: from bigpink.pa.dec.com by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA26226; Tue, 11 Apr 95 16:10:32 -0700 Received: by bigpink.pa.dec.com; id AA29310; Tue, 11 Apr 1995 16:10:27 -0700 Message-Id: <9504112310.AA29310@bigpink.pa.dec.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: band@std.com Subject: STD MCast Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 16:10:27 -0700 From: berc@pa.dec.com X-Mts: smtp What: Severe Tire Damage Concert Date: 12-Apr-95 Time: 9:00pm PST - 9:30pm PST From: The Fabulous SubForum (nee Garage) Systems Research Center Digital Equipment Corporation Palo Alto, California This band of brigands will once again inflict the MBone with their unique approach to rock & roll. More bugs have been fixed in the title generator so you might even know who's on camera. We're transmitting from an Alpha 3000/500 and should be able to do vic H.261 and nv format simultaneously, both limited to 128kb/s. Feedback on a/v quality and packet loss rate is always appreciated. Lance Berc berc@src.dec.com STD info: http://www.std.com/homepages/band http://www.ubiq.com/hypertext/std/Band.html mailto:band@std.com MBone tools for Alpha workstation: http://chocolate.pa.dec.com/mbone From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 12 10:36:19 1995 Received: from cyclops.ece.ncsu.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 07:35:51 -0700 Received: by cyclops.ece.ncsu.edu (8.6.11/EC06jan95) id KAA00780; Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:35:44 -0400 From: Leigh Anne Rettinger Message-Id: <9504121035.ZM778@eos.ncsu.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:35:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 15feb95) To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: MBone Announcement: Electronic Access to the EPA (18 Apr 95) Cc: alan_schueler@ncsu.edu, tkm@eos.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MBone Announcement: Electronic Access to the EPA (18 Apr 95) Title: Electronic Access to EPA and Other Environmental Information Date: Tuesday, 18 Apr 95 Time: 12noon-4pm US/Eastern (16:00-20:00 GMT) Media: Audio (vat), Video (nv), Whiteboard (wb) (session will be announced in 'sd' on Tuesday morning) TTL: 127 Contact: Leigh Anne Rettinger (larettin@eos.ncsu.edu) Info at: http://www2.ncsu.edu/eos/service/ece/project/succeed_info/epainfo/ Abstract -------- This workshop will provide an overview of the various means of public access to EPA information through Internet and other systems, including the public access server, online library system, and OAQPS Technology Transfer Network BBS. Other sources of environmental information on the World Wide Web, such as NOAA, DOE, universities, and state governments will also be covered. Use of these resources will be demonstrated with basic, widely-available Internet tools. From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 12 12:09:54 1995 Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (actually cs.nps.navy.mil) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 09:09:30 -0700 Received: from libra.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03623; Wed, 12 Apr 95 09:08:12 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 09:08:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Macedonia To: Dorrie Hall Cc: rem-conf@es.net, "MIT Walter A. Aviles" , mbone@isi.edu Subject: KRYPTON at MIT is jamming net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dorrie and anyone at MIT, You have a bad router thats sending tons of icmp messages to the I3DG symposium. Its krypton.mit.edu. We have a 40% loss because of it. Please find it and kill it or stop watching the symposium. Mike Macedonia | macedonia@cs.nps.navy.mil MAJ, USA | CS Dept, Naval Postgraduate School, | Monterey, CA 93943 | PH:(408) 656-2903 FAX:(408) 656-2814 ------------------------------------------------------------ From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 12 21:15:43 1995 Received: from iti.gov.sg (actually 160.96.25.10) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 18:15:12 -0700 Received: (from mailer@localhost) by iti.gov.sg (8.6.11/8.6.11) id JAA03239; Thu, 13 Apr 1995 09:19:55 +0800 Received: from unknown(192.122.132.130) by iti.gov.sg via smap (V1.3) id sma003235; Thu Apr 13 09:19:34 1995 Received: by iti.gov.sg (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15850; Thu, 13 Apr 95 09:14:11 SST Received: from unknown(192.122.133.25) by genesis via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma015816; Thu Apr 13 09:13:19 1995 Received: by capella.gov.sg (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02349; Thu, 13 Apr 1995 09:13:16 +0800 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 09:13:16 +0800 From: kslai@iti.gov.sg (Lai Kwai Seng) Message-Id: <9504130113.AA02349@capella.gov.sg> To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net, larettin@eos.ncsu.edu Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII UNSUBSCRIBE From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 13 11:10:04 1995 Received: from nyquist.bellcore.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 08:09:19 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by nyquist.bellcore.com (5.57/Ultrix4.2A) id AA06382; Thu, 13 Apr 95 11:09:13 -0400 From: dgb@nyquist.bellcore.com (Dave Boyer 21728) Message-Id: <9504131509.AA06382@nyquist.bellcore.com> Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 11:09:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 13 unsubscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 13 20:02:55 1995 Received: from george.rutgers.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 17:01:05 -0700 Received: (from peyyeti@localhost) by george.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) id UAA04893 for rem-conf@es.net; Thu, 13 Apr 1995 20:00:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 20:00:55 -0400 From: Sarma Peyyeti Message-Id: <199504140000.UAA04893@george.rutgers.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 13 22:57:32 1995 Received: from research.CS.ORST.EDU (actually chert.CS.ORST.EDU) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 19:55:22 -0700 Received: from flyap (flyap-atm.CS.ORST.EDU) by research.CS.ORST.EDU (4.1/1.30) id AA20395; Thu, 13 Apr 95 20:00:05 PDT Received: by flyap (5.0/CS-Client) id AA04903; Thu, 13 Apr 1995 19:54:23 +0800 Message-Id: <9504140254.AA04903@flyap> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.1 12/2/94 To: rudd@research.CS.ORST.EDU, quinn@research.CS.ORST.EDU, saletore@research.CS.ORST.EDU, nero-coord@engr.orst.edu, heirendt@research.CS.ORST.EDU, revel@admin.ogi.edu, ip-atm@matmos.hpl.hp.com, rem-conf@es.net, sallyt@gateway.mitre.org Subject: Announcing Nvatm version 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 19:54:23 -0700 From: David Aschkenasy Content-Length: 1856 Announcing Nvatm version 1.0 Project Livewire, funded by the Network for Engineering and Research in Oregon (NERO), has produced Nvatm. Nvatm is a video-conferencing tool that allows the multicast of video traffic on a Fore Systems ATM network. It is a derivative of Nv by Ron Frederick of Xerox Parc and interoperates seemlessly with its ascendant. New in this version is an optimised "raw" encoder. A Sparc 20 with SunVideo 1.0 was able to kick out a 20 Megabit per second uncompressed video stream. This will really chew up all that pesky extra bandwidth that ATM provides. Nvatm has been compiled under the Solaris 2.3 operating system and release 2.3 of Fore Systems API to Fores equipment. SPANS signaling is required for ATM operation of Nvatm. The binaries, sources, and documentation are available at ftp.nero.net in the directory pub/aschked/: binaries: nvatm.Z ftp://ftp.nero.net/pub/aschked/nvatm.Z sources: nvatmsrc-1.0.Z ftp://ftp.nero.net/pub/aschked/nvatmsrc-1.0.tar.Z documentation: nvatm.ps.Z - postcript version nvatm.txt - text version slides.ps.Z - slides used in oral presentaion ftp://ftp.nero.net/pub/aschked/nvatm.ps.Z ftp://ftp.nero.net/pub/aschked/nvatm.txt ftp://ftp.nero.net/pub/aschked/slides.ps.Z Operation requires no user intervention. If an ATM connection can be made between two Nvatm processes then it will be created automatically. The text nvatm.txt available in the same directory as the binary should answer most questions. The author will be happy to entertain any questions regarding Nvatm. Contact David Aschkenasy . For more information on NERO refer to . ------- End of Forwarded Message ----------------------------------------------- David Aschkenasy aschked@r.cs.orst.edu Oregon State University +1 (503) 737-4967 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 14 12:19:19 1995 Received: from nsipo.arc.nasa.gov by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 09:18:52 -0700 Received: from nsigate.arc.nasa.gov by nsipo.arc.nasa.gov (8.6.11/1.5) id JAA10330; Fri, 14 Apr 1995 09:18:50 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 14 Apr 1995 09:21:17 -0800 From: Steve Kyramarios Subject: unsubscribe To: rem conf X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 IDN Communications... Ames Research... Reply to Attn of:... Subject: unsubscribe Please unsubscribe. From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 17 00:05:20 1995 Received: from subnet.sub.net by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 21:04:29 -0700 Received: from wuff.mayn.sub.de by subnet.sub.net with bsmtp id <6635>; Mon, 17 Apr 1995 06:03:33 +0200 Received: by wuff.franken.de (Linux Smail3.1.29.0-pbr #14) id m0s0g8I-000wxKA; Mon, 17 Apr 95 04:01 MET DST Sender: harald@wanda1.mayn.sub.de Received: from wanda1 (harald@wanda1.mayn.sub.de [127.0.0.1]) by wanda1.mayn.sub.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA00310 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 1995 04:00:00 +0200 Message-Id: <199504170200.EAA00310@wanda1.mayn.sub.de> From: Harald Hopfes Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 04:00:01 +0200 Sender: harald@wanda1.mayn.sub.de To: rem-conf@es.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla/1.0N (X11; Linux 1.1.91 i486) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-URL: file:/home/harald/html/index.html help From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 17 15:30:16 1995 Received: from onyx.pvcc.cc.va.us by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 09:59:48 -0700 Received: from onyx3.pvcc.cc.va.us by onyx.pvcc.cc.va.us (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA02313; Mon, 17 Apr 95 12:55:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9504171655.AA02313@onyx.pvcc.cc.va.us> Received: by onyx3.pvcc.cc.va.us (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA00463; Mon, 17 Apr 95 12:55:24 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Original-Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line From: Thomas Vinson Date: Mon, 17 Apr 95 12:55:19 -0400 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: unsubscribe Please purge my name from your account From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 18 09:30:03 1995 Received: from plato.simons-rock.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 06:29:33 -0700 Received: by plato.simons-rock.edu (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0s1DKz-00000VC; Tue, 18 Apr 95 09:29 EDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 09:29:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Alice Myers X-Sender: alicem@plato To: rem-conf@es.net cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <9504171655.AA02313@onyx.pvcc.cc.va.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been trying to unsubscribe from this list. Can anyone help me. Thanks, Alice Myers From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 18 15:55:47 1995 Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:55:17 -0700 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10515; Tue, 18 Apr 95 12:54:12 PDT From: brutzman@cs.nps.navy.mil (Don Brutzman) Message-Id: <9504181954.AA10515@cs.nps.navy.mil> Subject: Hamming MBone lecture update To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:54:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 916 Today's Hamming lecture was an introduction to error-correcting codes. Thursday 1210-1300 PDT will be a continuation of error-correcting codes, particularly Huffman codes. Friday 1510-1600 PDT will be on error-correcting codes and eliminating channel noise. Development of Hamming error-correcting codes will be used to illustrate how the process of discovery can work. Tracey Emswiler will be posting lecture summaries in advance each week. Comments pro & con are always welcome. Eventually these lectures will be available online on demand, here in Monterey and (hopefully) in London. For more info see ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/mosaic/hamming.announce all the best, Don -- Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code UW/Br work 408.656.2149 Monterey California 93943-5000 USA fax 408.656.3679 AUV Underwater Virtual World ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/auv/auv.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 18 19:51:42 1995 Received: from inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 16:51:05 -0700 Received: from bigpink.pa.dec.com by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA14966; Tue, 18 Apr 95 16:47:06 -0700 Received: by bigpink.pa.dec.com; id AA09559; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 16:47:04 -0700 Message-Id: <9504182347.AA09559@bigpink.pa.dec.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: band@std.com Subject: STD MCast 19-apr-95 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 95 16:47:04 -0700 From: berc@pa.dec.com X-Mts: smtp What: Severe Tire Damage Concert Date: 19-Apr-95 Time: 9:00pm PST - 9:30pm PST From: The Fabulous SubForum (nee Garage) Systems Research Center Digital Equipment Corporation Palo Alto, California With a ttl of 127 STD is going to engulf the world with rock & roll. We should have a longer camera cable, so watch out for extreme close-ups. Lance Berc berc@src.dec.com STD info: http://www.std.com/homepages/band http://www.ubiq.com/hypertext/std/Band.html mailto:band@std.com MBone tools for Alpha workstation: http://chocolate.pa.dec.com/mbone From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 19 01:13:35 1995 Received: from ux4.cso.uiuc.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 22:13:10 -0700 Received: (from gbrauer@localhost) by ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id AAA28304; Wed, 19 Apr 1995 00:13:06 -0500 From: Greg Brauer Message-Id: <199504190513.AAA28304@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: MBONE broadcast Biological Computing Conf. To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 00:13:05 -0500 (CDT) Cc: mbone@isi.edu, bcarr@uiuc.edu, gbrauer@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3458 The National Center for Supercomputing Applications and the Beckman Institute for Advanced Science and Technology are hosting the Second Workshop on Advanced Computing for Biological Imaging on April 28-29, 1995. Because of a large number of requests, I have been asked to arrange for a multicast audio/video session of the conference. This is the first MBone broadcast that I have ever attempted beyond the scope of the UIUC campus network, and I was informed by Charlie Klein, the UIUC network architect, that I should mail this list for discussion of the broadcast. We would like time from about 8:30am to 5:00pm that Friday and Saturday. I have included a copy of the tentative schedule for the conference. Please send any questions or comments to gbrauer@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu. Thank you. Greg Brauer University of Illinois Beckman Institute Visualization Facility ------------------------------Conference Schedule------------------------------ Friday April 28, 1995 8:30 Opening Remarks Jiri Jonas, Beckman Institute for Advanced Science and Technology Larry Smarr, National Center for Supercomputing Applications Session 1: Instrumentation Integration and Control Chair: Bridget Carraghe 8:45 Real-time and reality in functional magnetic resonance imaging Paul C. Lauterbur and Clinton S. Potter, University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign 9:30 Analysis of optical images of the cortex Larry Sirovich, Yale University 10:15 Break NSCOE/MRI CAVE CRUMBS demonstration 10:45 Light microscopy Lowell Harris, Carnegie Mellon University 11:30 Time-resolved two-photon microscopy Peter So, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 12:15 Lunch Tours of Beckman Institute Facilities 1:30 Near-field scanning optical microscopy: Imaging beyond the diffraction limit Robert Grober, Yale University 2:15 Panel Discussion Computing for Biological Imaging: Speculation on the Future Panelists: Larry Smarr, National Center for Supercomputing Applications Paul C. Lauterbur, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Moderator: Bridget Carragher 3:00 Break CAVE Demonstration 3:30 Remote access to scientific instruments: Telemicroscopy Mark H. Ellisman, University of California at Sa Diego 4:15 Interactive Scanning Tunneling Microscopy Rachael Brady and Joseph Lyding, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 5:00 Session 1: Closing Discussion Saturday April 29, 1995 Session 2: Applications Char: Clinton S. Potter 8:45 Tomography Bridget Carragher and Andrew Belmont, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 9:30 Biocomputation: applying advanced computational and visualization Kelvin Montgomery, NASA Ames Biocomputation Center 10:15 reak NSCOPE/STM CAVE Demonstration 10:45 Image processing in electron microscopy: High performance computing applied to biological systems Benes L. Trus, National Institutes of Health 11:30 High performance computing in function MRI: Image Reconstrution and Registration Douglas Noll, University of Pittsburgh 12:15 Lunch with the machines (ACB) 1:30 Pattern Recognition of scanning probe microscopy and magnetic resonance imagery Ann Bouchard, Sandia National Laboratories 2:15 Cellular Decisions Robert Silver, Marine Biological Laboratory 3:00 Break CAVE CRUMBS Demonstration 3:30 Image Reconstruction Methods Zhi-Pei Liang, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 4:15 Closing Discussion From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 19 01:50:05 1995 Received: from Relay1.Austria.EU.net by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 22:49:05 -0700 Received: from marvin.UUCP by Relay1.Austria.EU.net with UUCP id AA07808 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for es.net!rem-conf); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 07:49:00 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 09:50:00 +0100 From: Martin Weiss Subject: MBone mailing-list To: rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 19 06:42:02 1995 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 03:41:13 -0700 Received: from orgel.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP; Wed, 19 Apr 95 12:41:05 +0200 From: Gabriel Dermler Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:41:06 +0200 Message-Id: <9504191041.AA07690@orgel.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> Received: by orgel.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de; Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:41:06 +0200 To: larry@tweety.cs.berkeley.edu Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: UCB MM Seminar (4/14) E. Hoffert (Apple) "Quicktime Conferencing..." I would appreciate a reference to more information about QuickTime Conferencing. Can someone help ? Thanks in advance. Gabriel Dermler ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabriel Dermler e-mail:Dermler@Informatik.uni-stuttgart.de Universitaet Stuttgart voice: ++49/ 711/ 7816-423 IPVR FAX: ++49/ 711/ 7816-424 Breitwiesenstr. 20-22 70565 Stuttgart, Germany ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 19 17:13:42 1995 Received: from tamdhu.dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk (actually tamdhu.dcs.st-and.ac.uk) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 14:13:11 -0700 Received: from turret.dcs.st-and.ac.uk by tamdhu.dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16410; Wed, 19 Apr 95 22:13:28 BST Message-Id: <9504192113.AA16410@tamdhu.dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Tomorrow: Jon Crowcroft on 'Distributed Multimedia' Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 22:12:52 +0100 From: Paul Harrington The sessions are created and hopefully we will have audio and whiteboard up and running by 1130 BST or thereabouts. One session is for the slides and audio of the talk itself, the other has audio, wb and mumble and is for debugging, questions, reception reports and so on. Since Dr Crowcroft is known to be a man who is not frightened to offer an opinion, MBONE folks are encouraged to ask questions/voice objections at question time. You can do this by vat, the debug whiteboard, the mumble channel or by sending me e-mail with a subject of 'QUESTION FOR JON' or something like that. pjjH From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 19 20:04:09 1995 Received: from beijing2.cernet.edu.cn (actually cernet.edu.cn) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 17:03:21 -0700 Received: by beijing2.cernet.edu.cn (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16719; Thu, 20 Apr 95 08:05:01 CDT Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 08:05:01 CDT From: cheng@cernet.edu.cn (Yan Cheng) Message-Id: <9504192305.AA16719@beijing2.cernet.edu.cn> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: history of MBone Hello everybody, I am an newcomer of this mailing list and I have read many materials about Mbone. But now I also have some questions about it. First, when did we call it Mbone? Second, who first called it Mbone? Third, which did it based? Thank you very much, everybody Cheng From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 20 06:51:52 1995 Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 03:51:01 -0700 Received: from poseidon.cs.utwente.nl by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (5.0/csrelayMX-SVR4_1.0/RB) id AA04926; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 12:50:57 --100 Received: from maas.cs.utwente.nl by poseidon.cs.utwente.nl (5.0/csrelay-Sol1.3/RB) id AA09818; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 12:50:49 --100 Message-Id: <9504201050.AA09818@poseidon.cs.utwente.nl> Received: by maas; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 12:50:45 +0200 From: breemen@cs.utwente.nl Subject: where can I find the mail archives? To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 12:50:44 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Content-Length: 756 Hi, I would like to find read the Mail-archives of this mailing list? Can anyone please point me in the right directory. I am also interested in any mail-archives with RTP related discussions. Is there a RTP mailing list (or am I already on the right one??) Anyway, I hope that you can help me out, thanks in advance. Please responde to me directly. Regards, Robert van de Breemen -- _///_ Robert van den Breemen /(o o)\ =======================================oOO0==(_)==oOOo====================== breemen@cs.utwente.nl | phone +31-74-910474 / +31-5750-15113 http://www.cs.utwente.nl/~breemen/ | =====================================================[ the Netherlands ]==== From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 20 10:06:02 1995 Received: from viipuri.nersc.gov by osi-east.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 07:05:20 -0700 Received: by viipuri.nersc.gov (4.1/ESnet-1.2) id AA24791; Thu, 20 Apr 95 07:05:18 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 07:05:18 PDT From: ari@es.net (Ari Ollikainen) Message-Id: <9504201405.AA24791@viipuri.nersc.gov> To: breemen@cs.utwente.nl, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: where can I find the mail archives? > I would like to find read the Mail-archives of this mailing list? Can > anyone please point me in the right directory. > > I am also interested in any mail-archives with RTP related discussions. > Is there a RTP mailing list (or am I already on the right one??) > There on and the same... http://www.es.net/pub/mailing-lists/mail-archive/rem-conf or ftp://nic.es.net/pub/mailing-lists/mail-archive/rem-conf Ari@ES.net _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ Ari Ollikainen {VOX: 510 423-5962} _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Energy Sciences Network {FAX: 510 423-8744} _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ National Energy Research Supercomputer Center _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ MailStop L-561, PO BOX 5509, Livermore, CA. 94551 ~~RECOM Technologies Inc.~~ From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 20 11:52:06 1995 Received: from aero.org by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 08:51:27 -0700 Received: from antares.aero.org ([130.221.192.46]) by aero.org with SMTP id <111121-2>; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 08:51:20 -0700 Received: from salt.aero.org by antares.aero.org (4.1/AMS-1.0) id AA01848 for rem-conf@es.net; Thu, 20 Apr 95 08:51:01 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 08:47:16 -0700 From: gorlick@antares.aero.org Original-Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Original-Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Final Announcement of MBone Broadcast of ICSE-17 Message-Id: <95Apr20.085120pdt.111121-2@aero.org> We are pleased to announce the MBone broadcast of the 17th International Conference on Software Engineering (ICSE) to be held in Seattle, Washington, USA April 26-28, 1995. The purpose of ICSE is to provide a forum to promote the development of software engineering as both an industrial practice and an academic discipline, extending the frontier of both the state of the art and the state of the practice. The broadcast schedule will include the three plenary sessions and selected tracks from the conference presentations. The plenary session speakers are: Wednesday, April 26, 1995 'The Mythical Man-Month' After 20 Years by Frederick P. Brooks, Jr., University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, USA Thursday, April 27, 1995 Microsoft: Rethinking the Process of Software Development by Michael Cusumano, MIT Sloan School of Management, USA Friday, April 28, 1995 The World and the Machine by Michael Jackson, MAJ Consulting Ltd., UK Detailed information about the conference, including a broadcast schedule, can be found at URL http://www.cs.washington.edu/research/se/icse17. We will be broadcasting two video streams and an audio stream. Questions or concerns about the broadcast services should be directed to Michael Gorlick The Aerospace Corporation Mail Station M1-102 Los Angeles California 90009 Phone: (310) 336-8661 Fax: (310) 336-4402 Email: gorlick@aero.org From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 20 11:54:25 1995 Received: from pinon (actually pinon.bldrdoc.gov) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 08:54:02 -0700 Received: by pinon (5.0/SMI-DDN) id AA18532; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:52:26 +0700 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:52:26 +0700 From: paulf@boulder.nist.gov (Paul Franchois 303-497-5674) Message-Id: <9504201552.AA18532@pinon> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Windows version of MBONE Tools X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 1969 Dear All, LOH KOK JENG writes on Mar. 27: > The MBONE tools that we have developed on Windows are already in our ftp > site. You can download them from ftp://ftp.nus.sg/pub/NUS/EE/MBONE > Please read the "readme.txt" first. Dave Price, , who was trying to use the Microsoft TCP/IP stack, wrote on Mar. 27: > if I click OK, the SD stays running. It does not seem > to see any session announcements, but if I use it to create > a `new' session, that is seen by an `sd' running on my sun. Curiously, there has been no activity in rem-conf since that time that I have received ... am I missing some messages???? We, too, are trying to implement Loh Kok Jeng's sd, nv, and vat code which is written for FTP Software's Onnet. We are running Onnet 1.2 on a Gateway P5-90 Pentium with an Allied Telesis 1500 ethernet card. But we don't have either a sound card or video frame grabber card that the readme.txt file says you need to use vat and nv. However, we are a connected Mbone site, and run MOSPF on our subnet that works fine to Suns running the Mbone tools (sd,nv,vat) so the PC should see the Mbone sessions in sd even if they don't display. As Dave Price found, though, no Mbone sessions are seen, but if a session is initiated on the PC, a Sun sd sees the entry in sd. The attached router on the segment running dvmrp and mospf does not see the Class D address of that session (224.x.x.x) nor if the PC is the only host running sd on that segment does it see any members. This leads me to speculate that this Windows sd does not participate in the IGMP protocol that allows it to join a multicast group on the tree. Why it does not see the multicast adverts. that the router is sending to all sd sessions is another question. Can anyone confirm winsd.exe receiving Mbone sessions or add to this discussion? Paul Franchois Network Engin. Group NIST/US Dept. of Commerce Boulder, CO, USA paulf@boulder.nist.gov From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 20 13:19:34 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 10:19:00 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA11616; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:17:34 -0400 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26463; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:17:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:17:12 -0400 From: gkajos@world.std.com (george w kajos) Message-Id: <199504201717.AA26463@world.std.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: rtp sources Hi all, Could someone point me towards rtp sources. I'm interested in doing some experiments with lan/wan audio/video/data conferencing and video transcoding. Thank you in advance, George Kajos gkajos@world.std.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 20 15:33:53 1995 Received: from mailhost.lut.ac.uk (actually bgate.lut.ac.uk) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 12:33:11 -0700 Received: by hpd.lut.ac.uk (15.11/SMI-4.1) id AA15959; Thu, 20 Apr 95 20:20:25 bst Message-Id: <9504201920.AA15959@hpd.lut.ac.uk> From: Ben Anderson Subject: multicast text-based chat apps To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 20:20:23 BST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0 (LUT)] All, with the current excitement about Mumble (http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/signet/projects/mumble.html), I thought you might like to know about a similar app I've built here at LUT that uses Jon Knight's multicast extensions to tcl-dp. Called 'MultiTalk', it provides a simple GUI together with a participants list etc. Like Mumble, it doesn't do reliable multicast and there are no real plans to develop it much further. The tcl script together with lots more info and some pretty piccies of the interface are at: http://pipkin.lut.ac.uk/~ben/multitalk.html It requires that you have already installed the multicast extensions to tcl-dp of course! All comments about the code/interface much appreciated. cheers Ben -- Ben Anderson My card LUTCHI Research Centre From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 20 15:53:35 1995 Received: from noc.tor.hookup.net by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 12:52:55 -0700 Received: from [165.154.37.168] (joeclark.tor.hookup.net [165.154.37.168]) by noc.tor.hookup.net (8.6.12/1.342) with SMTP id PAA15574; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 15:52:31 -0400 X-Sender: joeclark@noc.tor.hookup.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 15:53:09 -0500 To: casner@isi.edu, dmk@research.att.com, mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net From: joeclark@hookup.net (Joe Clark) Subject: Doing story on MBone, need help I'm writing a general-interest story for the Toronto _Globe and Mail_ newspaper on MBone and related broadband technologies. Now, before anyone gets all annoyed at another dumb-ass reporter making a mockery of the net.community, I'll mention that I've been online ~5 years and have written dozens of stories on online topics. I don't intend to misrepresent anyone or anything here. There. That's out of the way. I feel much better. Some issues I'll be exploring in the article (or at least hope to explore-- the story may be only 600 words, rather limiting my scope): * Is the requirement to hook yourself up to two different networks (conventional IP and the related but separate MBone) to receive Internet text *and* video likely to choke interest in MBone early on? *Apart from the fact that it's whiz-bang, what are the real applications of Internet video, and who's using it? Is it in fact a frill? * At the moment, the net is a largely textual medium with a rising graphical faction (WWW); will the fact that video transmission is now possible reduce the net to a sort of postliterate personal TV network? (This isn't an exploitative question. I think one of the major advantages of the net is its reliance on text. I'm not opposed to TV and video, but I do wonder if making it easy to stuff a videoclip down the pike to Australia is a worthwhile enough goal to merit all the work on video compression, broadband, etc.) I'd love to hear from actual people working with MBone, and in particular people who have used it for some purpose in the real world. Joe Clark joeclark@hookup.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 20 20:38:37 1995 Received: from tweety.cs.berkeley.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 17:37:58 -0700 Received: from tweety.cs.berkeley.edu (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by tweety.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.11/8.3) with ESMTP id RAA11807; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 17:37:56 -0700 From: Larry Rowe Message-Id: <199504210037.RAA11807@tweety.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: UCB Multimedia Seminar canceled for friday 4/21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 17:37:39 -0700 Hi - I am sorry to say that the seminar scheduled for friday 4/21 by Richard Baker >from PictureTel has to be canceled. We were trying to arrange to show the seminar from a remote location and the logistics could not be worked out at the last minute. Next week we'll be trying the same thing with Tom Little's talk. We'll make sure we get the connections debugged earlier in the week. Martin and I apologize for this snafu. Larry --------- Professor Lawrence A. Rowe Internet: Rowe@cs.Berkeley.EDU Computer Science Division - EECS Phone: 510-642-5117 University of California, Berkeley Fax: 510-642-5615 Berkeley, CA 94720-1776 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 21 03:47:53 1995 Received: from madang.dacom.co.kr by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 00:47:02 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by madang.dacom.co.kr (8.6.9H1/8.6.9) id QAA16583 for rem-conf@es.net; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 16:50:01 +0900 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 16:50:01 +0900 Message-Id: <199504210750.QAA16583@madang.dacom.co.kr> From: dgguen@madnag.dacom.co.kr Subject: Mailing List - BBS Gateway Apparently-To: rem-conf@es.net [This message was sent through the WebBBS-Madang! email gateway.] -- $)C A&8q: Mailing List - BBS Gateway Hi, There is a BBS for rem-conf mailing list archive from 1994. THis is WWW BBS. If you want to see the old mails, You can use this BBS. BBS to Mailing list Posting also available. MBONE mailing list archive also in this BBS. There is some Hangul(korean character), but don't mind it. The URL is http://madang.dacom.co.kr/ Have a fun! Bye. ======================================= DACOM R&D Center Multimedia Lab Guen DoGyun (dgguen@madang.dacom.co.kr) (http://madang.dacom.co.kr/) Tel: 82 042 220 4232 Fax: 82 042 220 4277 ======================================= From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 21 07:06:29 1995 Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 04:05:47 -0700 Received: from pm1_02.magicnet.net (pm1_02.magicnet.net [204.96.116.52]) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA09401 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 07:05:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199504211105.HAA09401@magicnet.magicnet.net> X-Sender: fortna@mailhost.magicnet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 07:02:27 -0400 To: rem-conf@es.net From: fortna@magicnet.magicnet.net (Larry Fortna) Subject: unsubscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 21 09:08:05 1995 Received: from aurora.engr.latech.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 06:07:28 -0700 Received: (from wangz@localhost) by aurora.engr.latech.edu (8.6.11/8.6.8) id IAA17051 for rem-conf@es.net; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:07:26 -0500 From: Wang Zhengrong Message-Id: <199504211307.IAA17051@aurora.engr.latech.edu> Subject: unsubscribe To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:07:26 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22.4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 42 please unsubscribe wangz@engr.latech.edu From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 21 09:45:54 1995 Received: from icil64.cilea.it (actually 131.175.1.5) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 06:45:31 -0700 Received: from uff29c.cilea.it by ICIL64.CILEA.IT (PMDF V4.2-14 #2920) id <01HPLRWL86CG9S76QC@ICIL64.CILEA.IT>; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 14:50:36 MET-DST Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 14:50:36 MET-DST Date-warning: Date header was inserted by ICIL64.CILEA.IT From: calegari@CILEA.IT (Antonio Calegari) Subject: problems with vat on Sparc 20 - Solaris 2.3 To: rem-conf@es.net Message-id: <01HPLRWLABIA9S76QC@ICIL64.CILEA.IT> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sender: calegari@icil64 Hi, very fast question: does anybody know why I get a kernel panic: recursive mutex_enter every time I try to speak into the microphone of our Sparc 20 (Solaris 2.3 running mrouted 2.2) using vat ? Very annoying... :-) Thank you for your attention Regards Antonio Antonio Calegari CILEA From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 21 13:08:44 1995 Received: from frostbite-falls.uoregon.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 10:08:06 -0700 Received: (from meyer@localhost) by frostbite-falls.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA00997; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 10:07:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199504211707.KAA00997@frostbite-falls.uoregon.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6epsilon 4/17/95 To: calegari@CILEA.IT (Antonio Calegari) cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: problems with vat on Sparc 20 - Solaris 2.3 In-reply-to: calegari@cilea.it's message of Fri, 21 Apr 1995 14:50:36 +0700. <01HPLRWLABIA9S76QC@ICIL64.CILEA.IT> X-Uri: "http://www.uoregon.edu/~meyer" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 10:07:37 -0700 From: "David M. Meyer 503/346-1747" Antonio, This has been fixed for 2.4. I am unaware of a patch for 2.3. If you like, I can supply the 2.4 patch to you. Dave David M. Meyer Voice: +1.503.346.1747 Senior Network Engineer Pager: +1.503.342.9458 Office of University Computing Cellular: +1.503.954.1103 Computing Center FAX: +1.503.346.4397 University of Oregon Internet: meyer@ns.uoregon.edu 1225 Kincaid Eugene, OR 97403 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Apr 22 04:35:30 1995 Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 01:34:43 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa17170; 22 Apr 95 9:34 GMT-60:00 Received: from fishace.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa24809; 22 Apr 95 9:34 GMT-60:00 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 07:42:49 GMT From: Stephen Bedford Clark Reply-To: SBC@fishace.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <217@fishace.demon.co.uk> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: MBONE conference enquiry X-Mailer: FIMail V0.9d X-User: Alpha Test Version Of FI-Mail, DisWin 1.5C:\WINSOCK\WINDIS Lines: 22 Dear Sir/Madam, My enquiry relates to the United Nations University - Zero Emmission Research Initative (ZERI) Conference held in Tokyo 6-7 April 1995. At this time I was attending a UNU-ZERI satellite conference in Beijing, China and missed the proceedings on the audio-video link provided by MBONE. I have since browsed the agenda on the WWW but I wonder if you could point me in the direction of an active FTP archive of the proceedings and slides from the conference to download? Thank you for your help. Stephen Bedford Clark Director of Aquatic Ecology & Sustainable Aquaculture The Earth Centre Kilners Bridge Denaby Main South Yorkshire. UK -- From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Apr 22 22:38:29 1995 Received: from palin.cc.monash.edu.au by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 19:37:44 -0700 Received: (peter@localhost) by palin.cc.monash.edu.au (8.6.10/8.6.4) id MAA04548 for rem-conf@es.net; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 12:37:38 +1000 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 12:37:38 +1000 From: Peter Hawkins Message-Id: <199504230237.MAA04548@palin.cc.monash.edu.au> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: mbone on alpha I wish to set up mbone to run on an alpha workstation running OSF. I have found compiled wb and vat clients and have installed AudioFile however I have not found sd binaries (though if I could find the source it might just compile) and am not sure how to configure the kernal for multicast... Any ideas? Peter From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Apr 23 06:09:36 1995 Received: from mailsun.aber.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 03:09:02 -0700 Received: from mailhost.aber.ac.uk (actually host saturnbb.aber.ac.uk) by mailsun.aber.ac.uk with SMTP (XTPPst-c); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 11:08:34 +0100 To: Peter Hawkins cc: rem-conf@es.net, dap@aber.ac.uk Subject: Re: mbone on alpha In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 23 Apr 1995 12:37:38 +1000. <199504230237.MAA04548@palin.cc.monash.edu.au> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 11:08:31 +0100 Message-ID: <5757.798631711@mailhost.aber.ac.uk> From: D E PRICE Dear Peter and List, I too recently have collected the conferencing tools for Alphas and I have started using them a little. We have recently received a small grant to help us support users in Wales to participate in seminars, lectures and conferences transmitted over the mbone and are thus keen to acquire tool sets for most of our machine architectures. Addressing Peter's initial question, it appears the the default kernel running on our Alphas already supports multicast. The Mbone feeds onto our alphas network segment and the applications just started up fine. I do have some problems though and I would appreciate advice etc. I had to compile to AF server from scratch (I could not locate a built alpha version), but it now works. However, when I run VAT, it works fine but I cannot locate any way to control audio output so it only goes to the headphones i.e. how can I switch off the loudspeaker? Second problem, WB starts fine, but I have NO TOOLS !! I can see incoming wb traffic (well I think so, typing from memory here...) but I cannot add in anyway to the wb ?? What am I doing wrong here?? vic and sd work fine. All advice received with open arms...... Dave Price From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Apr 23 06:39:20 1995 Received: from cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 03:38:50 -0700 Received: from scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk (jaw@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.200.48]) by cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA08354; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 11:38:22 +0100 Received: (jaw@localhost) by scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA25866; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 11:38:20 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 11:38:19 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Wood Reply-To: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk To: D E PRICE cc: Peter Hawkins , rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: mbone on alpha In-Reply-To: <5757.798631711@mailhost.aber.ac.uk> Message-ID: X-Department: "Unix Systems Support, Computing Services" X-Organisation: "The University of Edinburgh" X-URL: "http://ugwww.ucs.ed.ac.uk/~jaw/" X-Phone: +44 31 650 5003 X-Fax: +44 31 650 6552 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 23 Apr 1995, D E PRICE wrote: > Dear Peter and List, > > I too recently have collected the conferencing tools for > Alphas and I have started using them a little. We have recently > received a small grant to help us support users in Wales to participate > in seminars, lectures and conferences transmitted over > the mbone and are thus keen to acquire tool sets for most > of our machine architectures. The same is true of myself in Scotland. I maintain an archive of all the MBONE tools at Edinburgh for the MICE NSCs (and Dave you ought to mirror this at Aberystwyth for the Welsh NSC. This and other stuff we will know doubt discuss at our first UK meeting). There is a version of sd for Alpha. You will find it either at ftp.ee.lbl.gov or in my server at ftp://ftp.ucs.ed.ac.uk/pub/videoconference/sd/decalpha-sd.tar.Z. > Addressing Peter's initial question, it appears the the default > kernel running on our Alphas already supports multicast. The Mbone > feeds onto our alphas network segment and the applications just > started up fine. Yes that is correct. OSF/1 contains multicast support (but not the latest release). > I do have some problems though and I would appreciate > advice etc. I had to compile to AF server from scratch (I could > not locate a built alpha version), but it now works. However, I think it is an optional package on the OS CD and does not get installed by default. > when I run VAT, it works fine but I cannot locate > any way to control audio output so it only goes > to the headphones i.e. how can I switch off the loudspeaker? I don't know that answer to this as I have not had the privilege of using the tools on an Aplpha machine yet but this should change in the next few weeks. > Second problem, WB starts fine, but I have NO TOOLS !! I can > see incoming wb traffic (well I think so, typing from > memory here...) but I cannot add in anyway to the wb ?? > What am I doing wrong here?? I suspect you started up wb in receive only mode. In this mode you do not get a list of tools. Look on the particpants window and see if the receive only box is checked. If it is uncheck it and all the tools will appear. If this doesn't fix it then I don't know what is wrong. > vic and sd work fine. > > All advice received with open arms...... Ask your local MICE National Support Centre :-) ============================================================================= Graeme Wood Email: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk Unix Systems Support Phone: +44 131 650 5003 The University of Edinburgh Fax: +44 131 650 6552 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scottish MICE National Support Centre Email: mice-nsc-scotland@ed.ac.uk for your multimedia conferencing support WWW: http://mice.ed.ac.uk/mice/ ============================================================================= From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Apr 23 06:41:14 1995 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 03:40:25 -0700 Received: from shrew.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 11:40:02 +0100 From: Mark Handley Organisation: University College London, CS Dept. Phone: +44 71 380 7777 ext 3666 To: Peter Hawkins cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: mbone on alpha In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 23 Apr 95 12:37:38 +0900." <199504230237.MAA04548@palin.cc.monash.edu.au> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 95 11:37:50 +0100 Message-ID: <630.798633470@cs.ucl.ac.uk> Sender: M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk >I wish to set up mbone to run on an alpha workstation running OSF. >I have found compiled wb and vat clients and have installed AudioFile >however I have not found sd binaries (though if I could find the >source it might just compile) and am not sure how to configure the >kernal for multicast... Sd can be found at: ftp://ee.lbl.gov/conferencing/sd/decalpha-sd.tar.Z Hopefully I'll have an SDPv2 tool ready soon too. Mark From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Apr 23 11:11:45 1995 Received: from ceres.fokus.gmd.de by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 08:11:20 -0700 Received: from lupus (actually lupus.fokus.gmd.de) by ceres.fokus.gmd.de with SMTP (PP-ICR1v5); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 17:08:40 +0200 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: gkajos@world.std.com (george w kajos) cc: rem-conf@es.net From: Henning Schulzrinne Subject: Re: rtp sources In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:17:12 EDT." <199504201717.AA26463@world.std.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 17:08:04 +0200 Sender: schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de An aperiodic reminder of the RTP home page: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/step/hgs/rtp/ Corrections/additions appreciated. Henning From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Apr 23 12:31:14 1995 Received: from fastball.unimaster.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 09:30:49 -0700 Received: (from cherkus@localhost) by fastball.unimaster.com (8.6.7/8.6.9) id MAA28642; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 12:25:45 -0400 From: Dave Cherkus Message-Id: <199504231625.MAA28642@fastball.unimaster.com> Subject: Re: mbone on alpha To: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 12:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dap@mailsun.aber.ac.uk, peter@palin.cc.monash.edu.au, rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: from "Graeme Wood" at Apr 23, 95 11:38:19 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 888 Graeme Wood writes: |> On Sun, 23 Apr 1995, D E PRICE wrote: |> > Addressing Peter's initial question, it appears the the default |> > kernel running on our Alphas already supports multicast. The Mbone |> > feeds onto our alphas network segment and the applications just |> > started up fine. |> |> Yes that is correct. OSF/1 contains multicast support (but not the |> latest release). If anyone else came up with a 'parse error' on this statement (like I did), I think he's saying that all releases of OSF/1 from 2.0 onward have multicast support, but the multicast support is not the new stuff. -- Dave Cherkus ----- UniMaster, Inc. ----- Contract Software Development Specialties: UNIX TCP/IP X OSF/1 AlphaAXP AIX RS/6000 Performance ISDN Email: cherkus@UniMaster.COM Tel: (603) 888-8308 Fax: (603) 888-8308 if (cpu.type == PENTIUM && cpu.step < 8) { panic("Intel Inside!"); } From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Apr 23 22:03:03 1995 Received: from lydian.scranton.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 19:02:15 -0700 Received: (from garcia@localhost) by lydian.scranton.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA19156; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 22:35:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 22:35:02 -0400 From: Joe Garcia Subject: A few Mbone questions To: rem-conf@es.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok I am new to this but I kinda got hooked when I saw that UNC has their radio station playing over the net, but I have a few questions, then again don't we all. First off I am the owner of an I-net provider out here in Scranton, PA, USA (http://www.scranton.com/) and we are looking to get a T1 pipe. I need to know a few things first. 1) Will Mbone work on a regular T1 pipe, can I just get a multicast router and be fine, or do I need a special pipe, do I need a separate pipe for mbone and regular I-net acces? 2) Can I get Mbone to work on Linux? Linux will support multicasting, but what else do I need to get it to work properly? Is there stuff out there written specifically for Linux that will make my life easy? 3) What are the limitations of use of the Mbone, if there are any? later Joe Garcia From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 24 05:55:57 1995 Received: from mindlle.cse.cau.ac.kr by osi-east.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 02:54:53 -0700 Received: by mindlle.cse.cau.ac.kr (8.6.9H1/8.6.4) id RAA10931; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 17:45:22 +0900 From: Kim Youn Kyoung Message-Id: <199504240845.RAA10931@mindlle.cse.cau.ac.kr> Subject: I want to know about the vat To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 17:45:20 +0900 (JST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21-h4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 225 Hi everybody I am going to use the vat. But my environment is not yet multicasting, I don't use the vat. Please send me screen of vat and information that is , file of vat and method of vat using etc. I will thanks to you From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 24 07:41:52 1995 Received: from mailsun.aber.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 04:41:17 -0700 Received: from mailhost.aber.ac.uk (actually host saturnbb.aber.ac.uk) by mailsun.aber.ac.uk with SMTP (XTPPst-c); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:39:34 +0100 To: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk cc: D E PRICE , Peter Hawkins , rem-conf@es.net, dap@aber.ac.uk Subject: Re: mbone on alpha In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 23 Apr 1995 11:38:19 +0100. Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:39:29 +0100 Message-ID: <9832.798723569@mailhost.aber.ac.uk> From: D E PRICE Dear Graeme (thank you.....),.... Re my WB problem..... Graeme was correct of course..... WB now starts up in Read Only mode (I really should read the manual... :-) ) so you have to add a +r switch on command line to get the toolbard etc...... Dave Price From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 24 10:54:29 1995 Received: from mill2.millcomm.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 07:53:57 -0700 Received: by mill2.millcomm.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #8) id m0s3PWH-000kecC; Mon, 24 Apr 95 09:53 CDT Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 09:53:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Ron Stoberg Subject: unsubscribe To: rem-conf@es.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe ron stoberg From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 24 11:09:26 1995 Received: from mailsun.aber.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:08:44 -0700 Received: from mailhost.aber.ac.uk (actually host saturnbb.aber.ac.uk) by mailsun.aber.ac.uk with SMTP (XTPPst-c); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:08:14 +0100 To: D E PRICE cc: Graeme.Wood@ucs.edinburgh.ac.uk, Peter Hawkins , rem-conf@es.net, dap@aber.ac.uk Subject: Re: mbone on alpha In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:39:29 +0100. <9832.798723569@mailhost.aber.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:08:10 +0100 Message-ID: <12899.798736090@mailhost.aber.ac.uk> From: D E PRICE Dear All, Can anyone tell me the relationship between the AF Server and the MMESERVER for DecAlphas? Are they the same in the sense that mmeserver is a product based on some AF ideas or are they completely different? Can I use mme rather than AF to support VAT etc ?? Thanks, Dave Price From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 24 11:41:37 1995 Received: from tweety.cs.berkeley.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:40:56 -0700 Received: from tweety.cs.berkeley.edu (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by tweety.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.11/8.3) with ESMTP id IAA15324; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:40:32 -0700 From: Larry Rowe Message-Id: <199504241540.IAA15324@tweety.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: mslade@ix.netcom.com, aagogino@euler.berkeley.edu, phred@violet.berkeley.edu, howard@info.berkeley.edu, gllavane@uclink.Berkeley.EDU, cgodwin@explorer.corp.sgi.com, kurt@ampex.com, avz@eecs.Berkeley.EDU, martin@eecs.Berkeley.EDU, xcohen@garnet.berkeley.edu, tierney@george.lbl.gov, sccheung@gilan.eecs.berkeley.edu, vchang@po.eecs.berkeley.edu, jpjacob@cs.berkeley.edu, brauer@faslab.com, bagnet@george.lbl.gov, blattner@ocfkms.llnl.gov, rem-conf@es.net Subject: UCB MM Seminar (4/28): T.D.C. Little "Two Techniques for Enabling Ubiquitous True-VOD" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:40:23 -0700 BERKELEY MULTIMEDIA SEMINAR Two Techniques for Enabling Ubiquitous True-VOD T.D.C. Little* Multimedia Communications Lab Boston University *In collaboration with Dinesh Venkatesh Date: April 7, 1995 Time: 2:30-3:30 Room: 405 Soda Hall (presentation starts at 2:30 sharp) To support future interactive information delivery services such as video-on-demand, distance learning, and telecommuting, there is a need to balance individual interactivity with the desire to maximize the number of supported sessions. These requirements must be satisfied under the constraints imposed by storage device costs, capacities, I/O bandwidths, and geographic locations. In this talk we describe two techniques for enabling these fully interactive, True-VOD scenarios: (1) by using dynamic service aggregation on sessions with temporal locality and (2) by using popularity-based content replication. Both approaches are intended to take advantage of user behavior to provide the appearance of True-VOD capability without its excessive cost. -------- Biographical Sketch of Thomas D.C. Little Thomas D.C. Little is an assistant professor in the Department of Electrical, Computer and Systems Engineering at Boston University. He is director of the Multimedia Communications Lab at Boston University and involved in several research projects including the development of a multimedia server for video-on-demand information retrieval applications. Dr. Little received the B.S. degree in biomedical engineering from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in 1983, and the M.S. degree in electrical engineering and Ph.D. degree in computer engineering from Syracuse University in 1989 and 1991. He is a member of the IEEE Computer and Communications Societies and the Association for Computing Machinery. He serves on the editorial board of IEEE Multimedia and on various program committees for the ACM and IEEE. ----- This seminar will be broadcast on the MBONE starting at 2:30. The seminar will start promptly at 2:30. 405 Soda Hall is a relatively small seminar room (approx. 25 seats). Folks at Berkeley might want to attend the seminar by watching it on your workstation, if it can receive MBONE transmissions. For further information on accessing the MBONE contact see the FAQ (/usr/sww/doc/faq/mbone.faq). You can also look at the information accessible from http://roger-rabbit.cs.berkeley.edu/298.html. From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 24 11:45:27 1995 Received: from tweety.cs.berkeley.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:44:57 -0700 Received: from tweety.cs.berkeley.edu (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by tweety.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.11/8.3) with ESMTP id IAA15346; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:44:31 -0700 From: Larry Rowe Message-Id: <199504241544.IAA15346@tweety.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: mslade@ix.netcom.com, aagogino@euler.berkeley.edu, phred@violet.berkeley.edu, howard@info.berkeley.edu, gllavane@uclink.Berkeley.EDU, cgodwin@explorer.corp.sgi.com, kurt@ampex.com, avz@eecs.Berkeley.EDU, martin@eecs.Berkeley.EDU, xcohen@garnet.berkeley.edu, tierney@george.lbl.gov, sccheung@gilan.eecs.berkeley.edu, vchang@po.eecs.berkeley.edu, jpjacob@cs.berkeley.edu, brauer@faslab.com, bagnet@george.lbl.gov, blattner@ocfkms.llnl.gov, rem-conf@es.net Subject: *correction*: UCB MM Seminar (4/28) .... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:44:28 -0700 The announcement had the wrong date on it... BERKELEY MULTIMEDIA SEMINAR Two Techniques for Enabling Ubiquitous True-VOD T.D.C. Little* Multimedia Communications Lab Boston University *In collaboration with Dinesh Venkatesh Date: April 28, 1995 Time: 2:30-3:30 Room: 405 Soda Hall (presentation starts at 2:30 sharp) To support future interactive information delivery services such as video-on-demand, distance learning, and telecommuting, there is a need to balance individual interactivity with the desire to maximize the number of supported sessions. These requirements must be satisfied under the constraints imposed by storage device costs, capacities, I/O bandwidths, and geographic locations. In this talk we describe two techniques for enabling these fully interactive, True-VOD scenarios: (1) by using dynamic service aggregation on sessions with temporal locality and (2) by using popularity-based content replication. Both approaches are intended to take advantage of user behavior to provide the appearance of True-VOD capability without its excessive cost. -------- Biographical Sketch of Thomas D.C. Little Thomas D.C. Little is an assistant professor in the Department of Electrical, Computer and Systems Engineering at Boston University. He is director of the Multimedia Communications Lab at Boston University and involved in several research projects including the development of a multimedia server for video-on-demand information retrieval applications. Dr. Little received the B.S. degree in biomedical engineering from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in 1983, and the M.S. degree in electrical engineering and Ph.D. degree in computer engineering from Syracuse University in 1989 and 1991. He is a member of the IEEE Computer and Communications Societies and the Association for Computing Machinery. He serves on the editorial board of IEEE Multimedia and on various program committees for the ACM and IEEE. ----- This seminar will be broadcast on the MBONE starting at 2:30. The seminar will start promptly at 2:30. 405 Soda Hall is a relatively small seminar room (approx. 25 seats). Folks at Berkeley might want to attend the seminar by watching it on your workstation, if it can receive MBONE transmissions. For further information on accessing the MBONE contact see the FAQ (/usr/sww/doc/faq/mbone.faq). You can also look at the information accessible from http://roger-rabbit.cs.berkeley.edu/298.html. From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 24 15:05:38 1995 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:04:48 -0700 Received: from bigpink.pa.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA10107; Mon, 24 Apr 95 11:49:09 -0700 Received: by bigpink.pa.dec.com; id AA25669; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:43:36 -0700 Message-Id: <9504241843.AA25669@bigpink.pa.dec.com> To: Peter Hawkins Cc: rem-conf@es.net, dap , "M.Handley" , jaw Subject: Re: mbone on alpha In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 23 Apr 1995 12:37:38 +1000 from Peter Hawkins <199504230237.MAA04548@palin.cc.monash.edu.au> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 11:43:36 -0700 From: berc@pa.dec.com X-Mts: smtp Just a reminder that I keep a HTTP and FTP accessible page with either the latest binaries or pointers to the sources for most MBone applications. I might still be missing IVS while I work in the J300 grabber. {http,ftp}://chocolate.pa.dec.com/mbone This is done as a labor of love, not as an official act of the Digital Equipment Corporation or Severe Tire Damage. lance berc@src.dec.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 24 15:12:24 1995 Received: from rip.hrb.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:11:40 -0700 Received: from bach.hrb.com ("port 60867"@bach.hrb.com) by RIP.HRB.COM (PMDF V5.0-1 #6604) id <01HPPZI6T8F40029WG@RIP.HRB.COM> for rem-conf@es.net; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by bach.hrb.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06127; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:06:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:06:09 -0400 From: jwc@icf.hrb.com (John Cieply) Subject: Mbone Tools To: rem-conf@es.net Message-id: <9504241906.AA06127@icf.hrb.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Is there any place to obtain "shrink-wrap" versions of the mbone tools (sd, vic, vat, wb....)? We would like to use these tools in a classified area, where the security requirements, frown upon any software taken of FTP sites. From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Apr 24 16:17:04 1995 Received: from black-ice.cc.vt.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 13:16:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by black-ice.cc.vt.edu (8.6.11/8.6.10) with ESMTP id QAA18706; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:14:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199504242014.QAA18706@black-ice.cc.vt.edu> To: jwc@icf.hrb.com (John Cieply) cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Mbone Tools In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:06:09 EDT." <9504241906.AA06127@icf.hrb.com> From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:14:30 -0400 On Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:06:09 EDT, you said: > We would like to use these tools in a classified area, where > the security requirements, frown upon any software taken of > FTP sites. Just a bit off-charter - but how is a shrink-wrap version any more secure than one off a trusted FTP site? How do your auditors check EITHER one for problems? Note especially that for FTP, you usually get source, while most shrink-wrap stuff you have to trust the vendor... Totally overlooking the security considerations of multicast in and of itself.... Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Engineer Virginia Tech From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 25 04:27:16 1995 Received: from mozart.postech.ac.kr by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 01:26:35 -0700 Original-Received: by mozart.postech.ac.kr (8.6.9H1/8.6.4) id RAA12235 PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line From: SeongCheon Kim Message-Id: <199504250825.RAA12235@mozart.postech.ac.kr> Subject: Help me for email address of Dr. Bala Rajagopalan To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:25:42 +0900 (JST) My_Bonus: If the going gets easy you may be going downhill. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21-h4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 953 I am sorry to send this email on this mailing list, Could anyone help me for email address of braja@qsun.att.com (Dr. Bala Rajagopalan). Although I'd like to send to Dr. Bala Rajagopalan, Dr. Bala Rajagopalan AT&T Bell Laboratories, Rm 1F-401A 101 Crawfords Corner Road Holmdel, NJ 07733 U.S.A Tel: +1 908 949 8017; Fax: +1 908 949 1726; Email: braja@qsun.att.com but braja@qsun.att.com could not be reached. The domain name of qsun does not exist in "att.com" domain now. -- Thanks. Seongcheon Kim, Ph. D. Candidate E-MAIL : sck@turing.postech.ac.kr TEL(Home) : +82-562-279-3483 TEL(Offi) : +82-562-279-5655 WWW : http://einstein.postech.ac.kr/people/sck/ FAX : +82-562-279-5699 Network and Distributed Systems Lab., Dept. of Computer Science and Engineering POSTECH (Pohang Univ. of Science and Technology), Rep. of Korea From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 25 04:54:18 1995 Received: from sicmail.epfl.ch by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 01:53:50 -0700 Received: from lspsun12.epfl.ch by sicmail.epfl.ch with SMTP (PP) id <21640-0@sicmail.epfl.ch>; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:53:30 +0200 Received: by lspsun12.epfl.ch (5.0/Epfl-4.9-c/MX) id AA11325; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:53:28 +0200 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:53:28 +0200 From: Sebastien.Galtier@di.epfl.ch (Sebastien Galtier) Message-Id: <9504250853.AA11325@lspsun12.epfl.ch> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: rtp ..or something else? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 923 I am currently working on the network part of a multimedia client-server system. I am looking for some advice about what to use. I was seriously thinking about using RTP on UDP (I am not really looking for a multicast support, as the actual orientation of this project seems to be more "conventional" (according to my boss)). Is there any other way? Some ppl think I should use simply UDP, and make the assumption I am not losing any packet ("fairly" realistic on a local FDDI, but not on an heterogeneous network, no?). As I'm writing a small report on the state of art of this topic, any advice/comment is definitely welcome. If RTP is the right solution, is there somewhere a good API for Unix platform (especially Sun Solaris 2.3 and 2.4) or do I have to browse in the sources of mbone applications and write my own API? Thanks in advance. -- Sebastien GALTIER sebastien.galtier@di.epfl.ch LSP - DI - EPFL From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 25 07:51:52 1995 Received: from rpi.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 04:51:27 -0700 Received: from hibp.ecse.rpi.edu (hibp7.ecse.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/SMHUB41); id AA00588; Tue, 25 Apr 95 07:51:24 EDT for rem-conf@es.net Received: from hibp6.ecse.rpi.edu by hibp.ecse.rpi.edu (4.1/ST26); id AA09177 for rem-conf@es.net; Tue, 25 Apr 95 07:51:24 EDT Message-Id: <9504251151.AA09177@hibp.ecse.rpi.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: Sebastien.Galtier@di.epfl.ch (Sebastien Galtier) Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: rtp ..or something else? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:53:28 +0200." <9504250853.AA11325@lspsun12.epfl.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 07:51:22 -0400 From: Paul Stewart In message <9504250853.AA11325@lspsun12.epfl.ch>, Sebastien Galtier writes: > I am currently working on the network part of a multimedia client-server >system. I am looking for some advice about what to use. > > I was seriously thinking about using RTP on UDP (I am not really looking >for a multicast support, as the actual orientation of this project seems to be >more "conventional" (according to my boss)). Is there any other way? Some ppl >think I should use simply UDP, and make the assumption I am not losing any >packet ("fairly" realistic on a local FDDI, but not on an heterogeneous >network, no?). As I'm writing a small report on the state of art of this >topic, any advice/comment is definitely welcome. The argument for UDP isn't exactly "assume you don't lose packets". UDP is a good decision however, if: * It doesn't take much effort to make the receivers robust to lost packets. * The media in question can be packetized. * Detecting and correcting packet loss is more time consuming (and disruptive than simply waiting for this information to be refreshed in later frames (for example when another frame of video arrives, in the case of a video tool). These tradeoffs are independent of whether or not one is using multicast. > If RTP is the right solution, is there somewhere a good API for Unix >platform (especially Sun Solaris 2.3 and 2.4) or do I have to browse in the >sources of mbone applications and write my own API? I think both Henning and I have written "RTP API"s and neither one of us has updated since the July 1994 RTPv2 draft. Mine is a part of MSessMon, and Henning's, I think is ins rtpdump. Check out the http://www.fokus.gmd.de/step/hgs/rtp/ pointer Henning just posted recently. -- Paul From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 25 08:00:48 1995 Received: from mailer.jhuapl.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 05:00:04 -0700 Received: from aplcomm.jhuapl.edu by mailer.jhuapl.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27263; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:00:01 -0400 Received: by aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA17122; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 07:59:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 07:59:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Greg Hollingsworth (BIX)" Subject: MBONE Conference broadcast To: rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 4304 We're planning to transmit the Rapid Systems Virtual Prototyping (RSVP) conference this year on May 11. It will run from 0800 to 1800 Eastern time. Thanks, Greg Hollingsworth Network manager JHU/APL A detailed description of the conference follows: RAPID SYSTEM VIRTUAL PROTOTYPING SYMPOSIUM (Simulation and Synthetic Environments) DATE: Thursday, May 11, 1995 TIME: 8:45 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. LOCATION: Parsons Auditorium INTENDED AUDIENCE: System engineers** Software designers** Prototype technology managers** Interdisciplinary teams** Synthetic environment developers Recent advances in RSVP technologies enable system designers to rapidly conceptualize, develop, and visualize complex synthetic environments. This can greatly leverage and accelerate the rate of Prototype development for both defense and commercial systems. Sponsored by JHU/APL In cooperation with: IEEE - United States Activities IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Simulation IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Computer Graphics IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Design Automation The National Council on Systems Engineering (NCOSE) The Society for Applied Learning Technology (SALT) General Chair: Paul Hazan, JHU/APL **************************************************************************** * TO REGISTER FOR THIS "NO COST" SYMPOSIUM, OR * FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, CONTACT: Ms. Lois Craig * X5365 or E-mail: lcraig@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu * * PRE-registration is REQUIRED. Attendance is LIMITED. * * **** REGISTER EARLY TO AVOID DISAPPOINTMENT. **** **************************************************************************** RAPID SYSTEM VIRTUAL PROTOTYPING (Internet Video) SYMPOSIUM (Simulation and Synthetic Environments) ADVANCE PROGRAM SESSION 1: INTRODUCTION (8:45 am - 9:15 am) ************* WELCOME AND INTRODUCTION "RSVP, CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES," Paul Hazan, JHU/APL "RAPID PROTOTYPING IN EDUCATION," Nathaniel Macon, Society for Applied Learning Technology SESSION 2: TOOLS AND SYSTEMS APPLICATIONS (9:15 am - 12:40 pm) ************** "VIRTUAL REALITY, TELEPRESENCE SURGERY AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER OF MEDICINE," Shaun Jones, Advanced Research Projects Agency "RSVP - THE BOEING 777 AND FLYTHRU," Bob Abarbanel, Boeing Computer Services "A NEW TOOL FOR RAPID DEVELOPMENT OF VIRTUAL REALITY SYSTEMS," Tom Coull, Sense8 Corporation "ACCELERATING THE AIRPORT PLANNING PROCESS THROUGH REAL-TIME INTERACTIVE SIMULATION," Steven Collins, Martin Marietta Corporation "DISTRIBUTED VIRTUAL PROTOTYPING," Stephan Haas, Fraunhofer Center for Research and Computer Graphic "RAPID PROTOTYPING - THE WORLD WIDE WEB," Steve Heibein, Silicon Graphics Inc. SESSION 3: EDUCATION AND TRAINING (1:40 pm - 3:10 pm) ************** "MULTIMEDIA IN NAVY TACTICAL TRAINING," Paul Frey, Search Technology "RAPID SOFTWARE: VIRTUAL PRODUCT SIMULATION FOR PROTOTYPING AND TRAINING," Meir Morag, Emultek, Inc. "USING THE INTERNET TO PROTOTYPE NEW PARADIGMS IN EDUCATION," Mark Pullen, George Mason University "RSVP IN MEDICAL EDUCATION AND DIAGNOSTIC EVALUATION," Justin Pearlman, Harvard Medical School SESSION 4: CRITICAL ISSUES FOR CURRENT THOUGHT (3:30 pm - 5:00 pm) ************** "SYSTEM LIFE CYCLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RSVP," Walter Beam, The Beam Group "HARNESSING CREATIVITY IN AN ENVIRONMENT WITH LIMITED POWER RESOURCES," Salko Hodzic, Petrolinvest "INTELLIGENT DIGITAL LIBRARIES: PUTTING THE USER IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT," Nahum Gershon, The MITRE Corporation ****************************************************************** DATE: Thursday, May 11, 1995 TIME: 8:45 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. LOCATION: Parsons Auditorium, Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab **************************************************************************** * TO REGISTER FOR THIS "NO COST" SYMPOSIUM, OR * FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, CONTACT: Ms. Lois Craig * X5365 or E-mail: lcraig@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu * * PRE-registration is REQUIRED. Attendance is LIMITED. * * **** REGISTER EARLY TO AVOID DISAPPOINTMENT. **** **************************************************************************** From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 25 11:35:08 1995 Received: from nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:34:36 -0700 Received: from slb135.cc.nps.navy.mil by nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27003; Tue, 25 Apr 95 08:34:19 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 08:34:13 PDT Message-Id: <9504251534.AA27003@nps.navy.mil> X-Sender: tlemswil@nps.navy.mil Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rem-conf@es.net From: tlemswiler@nps.navy.mil (Tracey Emswiler) Subject: Hamming Lecture Series X-Mailer: THE ART OF DOING SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING: Learning to Learn Richard W. Hamming Naval Postgraduate School Monterey, California 1. Lecture 13: Tuesday, 25 April 1995 from 1210-1300 PDT (1910-2000 GMT) Information Theory: Understanding what information theory is and what it can and cannot do for you. 2. Lecture 14: Thursday, 27 April 1995 from 1210-1300 PDT (1910-2000 GMT) Digital Filters - I: Learning the basics of how computers process information. 3. Lecture 15: Friday, 28 April 1995 from 1510-1600 PDT (2210-2300 GMT) Digital Filters - II: Taking a look at the systematic design of non-recursive filters. Please send comments/feedback to tlemswil@nps.navy.mil --------------------------------------------------------- LT Tracey Emswiler Naval Postgraduate School Code 36 Monterey California 93943-5000 USA Voice Mail: (408) 656-2536 x2157 --------------------------------------------------------- LT Tracey Emswiler Naval Postgraduate School Code 36 Monterey California 93943-5000 USA Voice Mail: (408) 656-2536 x2157 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Apr 25 14:53:19 1995 Received: from jazz.ncren.net by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:52:51 -0700 Received: from micah.chowan.edu by jazz.ncren.net (5.65/tas-ncren/may94) id AA04703; Tue, 25 Apr 95 14:52:34 -0400 Received: from CHOWAN_NET/MAILROOM by micah.chowan.edu (Mercury 1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 95 14:56:08 EST Received: from MAILROOM by CHOWAN_NET (Mercury 1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 95 14:55:47 EST From: Luv To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:55:42 EST Subject: X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-Id: <1AD0C3F601F@micah.chowan.edu> Please unsuscribe me from this list. 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Many regards Doxal Italia spa attn.: Vittorio Bichisao e-mail : doxal.italia@galactica.it From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 26 05:40:42 1995 Received: from leon.nrcps.ariadne-t.gr by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 02:40:03 -0700 Received: from x-pc ([143.233.55.21]) by leon.nrcps.ariadne-t.gr (4.1/25-MHS-7.0) id AA13485; Wed, 26 Apr 95 12:32:39 +0300 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 12:32:38 +0300 Message-Id: <9504260932.AA13485@leon.nrcps.ariadne-t.gr> X-Sender: pxinos@leon (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rem-conf@es.net From: pxinos@leon (Panagiotis Xinos) Subject: Q: MS Windows H/W I will plan to experiment with MS windows staff. So, what H/W is needed (cards, cameras, etc)? Any recommendations regarding specific products are welcome. Panos Xinos ESI-Athens, Greece From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 26 10:15:24 1995 Received: from uu10.psi.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:14:57 -0700 Received: by uu10.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA08594 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 95 10:01:47 -0400 Received: from yes by insoft.com (4.1/InSoftMail-1.4) id AA13102; Wed, 26 Apr 95 09:54:58 EDT From: Igor Plotnikov Message-Id: <9504261354.AA13102@insoft.com> Received: by yes (5.0/MailPunt-1.1) id AA01010; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:59:55 +0500 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:59:55 +0500 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: NT-compatible capture and audio boards X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 432 Hi everybody! We're porting our videoconferencing app, Communique to Windows NT, and we're looking for a good audio and video hardware. Does anybody know a descent video capture board with Video for Windows drivers available for the Windows NT platfortm? 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From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 26 11:39:49 1995 Received: from fnal.fnal.gov by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 08:39:21 -0700 Received: from munin.fnal.gov by FNAL.FNAL.GOV (PMDF V4.3-12 #3998) id <01HPSIKWONOW00PLWW@FNAL.FNAL.GOV>; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:38:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LOCALHOST.fnal.gov by munin.fnal.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1-m) id AA27945; Wed, 26 Apr 95 10:37:17 CDT Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:37:17 -0500 From: Matt Crawford Subject: Bad multicast kernel on unisun.radio-msu.net Sender: crawdad@munin.fnal.gov To: postmaster@unisun.radio-msu.net, root@unisun.radio-msu.net Cc: rem-conf@es.net Message-id: <9504261537.AA27945@munin.fnal.gov> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Face: /RKQi"kntyd}7l)d8n%'Dum<~(aMW3,5g&'NiH5I4Jj|wT:j;Qa$!@A<~/*C:{:MmAQ:o%S /KKi}G4_.||4I[9!{%3]Hd"a*E{; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:53:13 -0700 Posted-Date: Wed 26 Apr 95 10:53:02 PDT Received: by xfr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id ; Wed, 26 Apr 95 10:53:03 PDT Date: Wed 26 Apr 95 10:53:02 PDT From: Stephen Casner Subject: Re: history of MBone To: cheng@cernet.edu.cn, rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: <798922382.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> In-Reply-To: <9504192305.AA16719@beijing2.cernet.edu.cn> Mail-System-Version: The name "MBONE" was coined during a dinner discussion among Hans Eriksson, Steve Deering and me at the end of the Boston/Cambridge IETF meeting in July 1992. (That was the second IETF meeting to be multicast, and the first with video.) I believe I suggested the name "MBONE", though I can't be certain; I do remember that I championed this choice among the several that we were discussing, and in the end we all agreed upon it. The idea for the name was drawn from "EBONE", the European backbone. The conclusion of that discussion was that we should try to establish a permanent virtual network of multicast tunnels rather than set them up anew for each IETF meeting. That way they could be used for other events and other experimentation, the workload could be distributed, and more careful topology engineering could be applied. To support this, we agreed to create the mbone mailing list and sublists, and then began the process of persuading network service providers and user organizations to participate. By now, not much persuasion is required any more. -- Steve ------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Apr 26 16:21:01 1995 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:20:32 -0700 Received: from bigpink.pa.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA29694; Wed, 26 Apr 95 13:19:26 -0700 Received: by bigpink.pa.dec.com; id AA07218; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:19:25 -0700 Message-Id: <9504262019.AA07218@bigpink.pa.dec.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: (tonight) STD MCast 26-apr-95 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 13:19:25 -0700 From: berc@pa.dec.com X-Mts: smtp What: Severe Tire Damage Concert Date: 26-Apr-95 Time: 9:00pm PST - 9:30pm PST From: The Fabulous SubForum (nee Garage) Systems Research Center Digital Equipment Corporation Palo Alto, California More technical wizardry is planned. Among other tricks we hope to have a camera that can be aimed by the audience from a WWW page. We may also have a WWW page that will alow remote participants to snap giant JPEG images from a high-resolution (1360x1035) CCD camera. Audience participation is always encouraged. Lance Berc berc@src.dec.com STD info: http://www.std.com/homepages/band http://www.ubiq.com/hypertext/std/Band.html mailto:band@std.com MBone tools for Alpha workstation: http://chocolate.pa.dec.com/mbone From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 27 00:21:10 1995 Received: from han.hana.nm.kr by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:24:12 -0700 Received: from ring.kotel.co.kr by han.hana.nm.kr (4.1/KUM-0.1) id AA15818; Thu, 27 Apr 95 09:36:52 KST Received: from vicon1.kotel.co.kr by ring.kotel.co.kr (4.1/RING-0.1) id AA14238; Thu, 27 Apr 95 09:16:49 KST Received: by vicon1.kotel.co.kr (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01729; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:32:51 --900 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:32:51 --900 From: psm@vicon1.kotel.co.kr Message-Id: <9504270032.AA01729@vicon1.kotel.co.kr> To: rem-conf@es.net Content-Length: 59 Please subscribe me to the remote conference mailing list. From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Apr 27 18:41:48 1995 Received: from ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:41:19 -0700 Received: by ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17884; Thu, 27 Apr 95 15:50:49 -0700 Received: by ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com (5.65b(em1)/2.06) id AA06214; Thu, 27 Apr 95 15:32:13 -0700 Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17603; Thu, 27 Apr 95 15:38:03 -0700 Received: from trouble.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21248; Thu, 27 Apr 95 15:28:27 PDT Received: by trouble.cs.nps.navy.mil (940816.SGI.8.6.9/911001.SGI) for rem-conf%es.net@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com id PAA06818; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:28:26 -0700 From: Your VE info source Message-Id: <9504271528.ZM6814@trouble.cs.nps.navy.mil> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:28:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: rem-conf%es.net@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com Subject: Latest Virtual Environments Calls for Participation: PRESENCE (2) ICAT/VRST '95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The following are some of the latest virtual environment Calls for Participation: --> PRESENCE: Special Issue on Virtual Environments and Teleoperation for Medicine --> Call date: 1 November 95 --> ICAT/VRST '95 International Conference on Artificial Reality and Tele-Existence '95 Conference on Virtual Reality Software and Technology '95 --> Call date: 15 June 95 --> PRESENCE: Call for Participation: "The Human Figure in VE Systems" --> Call date: 15 May 95 (second announcement) Please respond to the addresses in the Calls and not to this site. PRESENCE: Call for Participation on a special issue on Virtual Environments and Teleoperation for Medicine. Presence will devote a special issue to the use of virtual environments in medicine. Co-editors of this special issue are Martin Stytz of the Air Force Institute of Technology and Gayl M. Godsell-Stytz, of the American College of Emergency Physicians. Topics of interest include but are not limited to: 1) Discussions of the significant problems to be solved before the medical use of virtual environments becomes commonplace. This includes surveys of the nature of the progress made in the past few years and descriptions of the significant problems that remain to be addressed. 2) Descriptions of virtual environments to aid in diagnosis and treatment of disease, performing surgical procedures, radiology, education and training of physicians, nurses, and other medical personnel, and telepresence for emergency medical treatment. 3) Descriptions of user interfaces for medical virtual environments. 4) Reports of treatment results and comparative assessments of virtual environment and non-virtual environment techniques for surgery and medical telepresence. Manuscripts dealing with other aspects of the use of virtual environments for medicine are also sought. Survey papers and reviews are welcome as are papers describing ongoing research. Manuscripts should be in 12 point type with double spacing for all text, including references. Additional information on manuscript format is available in the "Instructions to Contributors" note on the inside back cover of PRESENCE Vol. 3 No. 2 and later issues. Manuscripts that are submitted must represent original material and must not be under consideration for publication elsewhere. All papers will be reviewed for medical and virtual environment content. Send seven copies of each paper by 1 November 1995 to: Lt. Colonel Martin R. Stytz, Ph.D. PRESENCE Virtual Environments for Medicine Issue Associate Professor of Computer Science and Engineering AFIT/ENG Building 640, Room 218 Air Force Institute of Technology 2950 P Street Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433 (513) 255-9270 mstytz@afit.af.mil or Dr. Gayl M. Godsell-Stytz, D.O. PRESENCE Virtual Environments for Medicine Issue 2380 Fieldstone Circle Fairborn, OH 45324 gstytz@afit.af.mil We are NOT willing to review faxed submissions. Please include an electronic mail address for acknowledgment of manuscript receipt. The firm deadline for submissions for this special issue is 1 November 1995. The 7 copies of the manuscript must arrive by that date in order for us to have sufficient review time for our publication schedule. Important deadlines: -- Submission of papers: 1 November, 1995 -- Acceptance notification: 1 February, 1996 -- Submission of final, camera-ready papers: 1 April, 1996 CALL FOR PAPER, VIDEO AND TUTORIAL ICAT/VRST '95 ### ##### # ####### # # # ###### ##### ####### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ###### ##### # # # ####### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### ##### # # # # # # # ##### # International Conference on Artificial Reality and Tele-Existence '95 Conference on Virtual Reality Software and Technology '95 November 20 - 22, 1995 Makuhari, Chiba, JAPAN SPONSORED BY: ACM/SIGCHI The Society of Instrument and Control Engineers (SICE) Japan Technology Transfer Association (JTTAS) Nihon Keizai Shimbun,Inc. (NIKKEI) Welcome to ICAT/VRST '95! ICAT is the first international conference on virtual reality open to all who are interested in this field. For the last four years, ICAT has had many speakers >from all over the world present their latest researches. This year, the 5th ICAT conference will be combined with VRST '95. VRST was first held in Singapore last year. The program included papers, panels tutorials, demonstrations, opening plenary and invited talks. By combining the two events together, we will be able to bring you the most comprehensive coverage of VR. Dates November 20 - 22, 1995 Place Makuhari, Chiba, Japan Topics + Artificial Reality/Virtual Reality + Tele-Existence/Telepresence + Communication with Realistic Sensations + Real Time Computer Simulation + Intelligent CAD and IMS (Intelligent Manufacturing System) + 3-D Visual and Auditory Displays + Tactile and Force Displays + Software Architectures for VR + VR Interaction and Navigation Techniques + Tools and Techniques for Modeling VR Systems + Distributed VR Systems + Motion Tracking + VR Input and Output Devices + Innovative Applications of VR + Human Factors of VR + Evaluation of VR Techniques and Systems + Anthropomorphic Intelligent Robots + Sensor Integration/Fusion + Interactive Art and Entertainment + Artificial Life General Chair: Susumu Tachi (University of Tokyo) Program Co-Chairs: Mark Green (University of Alberta) Michitaka Hirose (University of Tokyo) Program Committee: Steve Bryson (NASA) Stephen R. Ellis (NASA) Yukio Fukui (AIST, MITI) Martin Goebel (FIG) Hiroshi Harashima (U Tokyo) Toyohiko Hatada (Tokyo Inst. of Polytechnics) Katsura Hattori (Asahi Shimbun) Koichi Hirota (Toyohasi Univ. of Technology) Takayuki Itoh (NHK ) Hiroo Iwata (Tsukuba University) Robert Jacobson (World Design) Fumio Kishino (ATR) Myron Krueger (Artificial Reality) Carl Loeffler (CMU) Taro Maeda (U Tokyo) Ryo Mochizuki (NHK Engineering) Makoto Sato (Tokyo Institute of Technology) Thomas Sheridan (MIT) Gurminder Singh (ISS) Robert Stone (NAR) Gen Suzuki (NTT) Haruo Takemura (NAIST) Daniel Thyalmann (SFIT) David Traub (Compec) David Zeltzer (MIT) Michael Zyda (NPS) Tutorial Co-Chairs: Haruo Takemura (NAIST) Hiroo Iwata (Tsukuba University) Video Co-Chairs: Ryo Mochizuki (NHK Engineering) Takayuki Itoh (NHK) Secretariat: Koichi Nakayama (JTTAS) Yuji Ichige (NIKKEI) Mayumi Kurebayashi (NIKKEI) PAPERS The organizing committee cordially invites you to submit your technical work and experimental results in virtual reality software and technology to this conference. Papers will be peer reviewed. Accepted papers will be published in the conference proceedings. Papers should be at most 6000 words or 10 pages. Submissions should consist of five copies of the paper and a cover letter indicating the primary author's name, affiliation, address, phone and fax numbers and e-mail address. The title page should include an abstract (less than 200 words) and 5 keywords. Papers in hardcopy form must be received no later than June 15, 1995 by: Mark Green Department of Computing Science University of Alberta Edmonton, Alberta T6G 2H1 CANADA mark@cs.ualberta.ca +1 403-492-4584 +1 403-492-1071 (fax) or Michitaka Hirose c/o Japan Technology Transfer Association Daini Koujimachi bldg. 2F 4-2 Koujimachi Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 102 JAPAN hirose@ingram.mech.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp +81 3-3238-5300 +81 3-3238-5388 (fax) Papers Due: June 15, 1995 Notification: August 15, 1995 Camera Ready Due: September 15, 1995 VIDEOS The organizing committee cordially invites you to submit your experimental results, demonstrations, computer graphics and animation in video tape format. Accepted video tapes will be shown throughout the conference and will be distributed as a video proceedings. The author will also have an opportunity to give a short oral presentation at the conference. Please submit a single high quality copy of a 3 to 8 minute video segment in NTSC 1/2 inch VHS or 3/4 inch Umatic format and one page cover sheet containing; l The title of the video and the author's name. l The author's address, phone and fax numbers and e-mail address. l 200 word abstract and five key words. (abstract will be published in the conference proceedings). l An indication of the categories the submitted video should be included. The video must be received no later than June 15, 1995 by: Ryo Mochizuki c/o Japan Technology Transfer Association Daini Koujimachi bldg. 2F 4-2 Koujimachi Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 102 JAPAN +81 3-3238-5300 +81 3-3238-5388 (fax) Video Due: June 15, 1995 TUTORIALS Proposals for tutorial offerings by developers, research- ers and educators are invited. Tutorials will be evaluated on the basis of their relevance to the ICAT/VRST attendees and on the technical quality of the tutorial. Past experience and qualifications of the instructors, along with overall balance of the tutorial program, are signifi- cant factors. Instructors must request tutorial proposal requirements >from the Tutorials Chair. Submissions in hardcopy must be received no later than June 15, 1995. Send questions and requests for submission form to: Haruo Takemura Graduate School of Information Science, Nara Institute of Science and Technology 8916-5 Tkayama-cho Ikoma-shi Nara 530-01 JAPAN takemura@is.aist-nara.ac.jp +81 7437-2-5291 +81 7437-2-5299 (fax) --------------------------------------------------------- Languages English and Japanese will be the official working Languages. Simultaneous translation will be provided. ---------------------------------------------------------- Information All request for information should be addressed to: Secretariat of ICAT/VRST '95 Nihon Keizai Shimbun, Inc mayumi@nws3.nikkei.co.jp +81 3-5255-2847 +81 3-5255-2860(fax) PRESENCE: Call for Participation: "The Human Figure in VE Systems" PRESENCE will devote a special issue to "The Human Figure in Virtual Environment Systems". Co-editors of this special issue are David Zeltzer of MIT and Michael Zyda of the Naval Postgraduate School. The focus of this issue is on both hardware and software technologies for integrating the human figure into VE systems, either as "autonomous actors" under program control, or as "guided actors" controlled by humans in a master/slave mode. Areas of interest include, but are not limited to: -- Applications that require or would benefit from the inclusion of human figures; -- Representing, controlling and interacting with autonomous human agents; -- Technology for instrumenting human VE participants; Software for recording and interpreting human movements and managing interactions with actors and objects in the virtual world; -- Technologies that allow combinations of human participants and autonomous or guided actors to jointly manipulate objects in the virtual world, perhaps with force feedback. Human figure simulation research has been ongoing for several decades. We are particularly interested in papers that survey and reflect on the "grand challenges" for human figure simulation and interaction, including discussions of the nature of progress made in the field in the intervening years, and the difficult problems that remain unsolved. What will be the likely state-of-the-art of human figure simulation in five years? In fifty years? We are interested in technical papers, position papers surveying the field and forum papers describing the frontiers of integrating the human figure into VE systems. We have the complete issue to fill, which means we desireJtraditional research papers, lab reviews, and "What's Happening" submissions. For the What's Happening section, we request information on conference announcements, and other VE/teleoperation events. PRESENCE is the premier journal of teleoperation and virtual environments. Manuscripts are accepted for consideration with the understanding that they represent original material and are not being considered for publication elsewhere. Manuscripts should be in 12 point type, using double-spaced pages for all text, including references. For more information, see the "Instructions to Contributors" note on the inside back cover of PRESENCE Vol. 3 No. 2 and later issues. Please include an electronic mail address to which receipt acknowledgment can be sent. FAXed submissions will NOT be accepted. Send 7 copies of each submitted paper (one for each co-editor, and one for each of 5 reviewers) to David Zeltzer at the following address: David Zeltzer PRESENCE Human Figure Issue Massachusetts Institute of Technology Room 36-763, 50 Vassar Street Cambridge MA 02139 Tel: (617) 253-5995 FAX: (617) 258-7003 e-mail: dz@vetrec.mit.edu The deadline for submissions to this special issue is May 15, 1995. Submitted papers must be at MIT by that date in order for us to have sufficient review time for our publication schedule. Important deadlines: -- Submission of papers: May 15, 1995 -- Acceptance notification: July 15, 1995 -- Submission of final, camera-ready papers: September 1, 1995 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Apr 28 12:58:27 1995 Received: from cerc.wvu.edu (actually cathedral.cerc.wvu.edu) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 09:58:04 -0700 Received: from elk (elk.cerc.wvu.edu) by cerc.wvu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0:RAL-041790) id AA08031; Fri, 28 Apr 95 12:57:55 EDT Received: by elk (5.0//ident-1.0) id AA05076; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:57:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:57:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd L. Montgomery" Subject: An invitation to join a new discussion group (fwd) To: rmp@tenet.icsi.berkeley.edu, mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2889 I apologize to anyone who has seen this announcement before or who receives this multiple times. John Phelps has been kind enough to set up a mailing list for discussion of the Reliable Multicast Protocol (RMP). However, the forum is very open to discussion about other reliable multicast issues and schemes, including protocol verification and potential projects. Included below is John's instructions for joining the list and the list description. I look forward to participating in the discussions! -- Todd ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 07:20:00 -0400 (EDT) From: John Phelps To: gscott@mariah.jhuapl.edu, karasik@mariah.jhuapl.edu, whetten@icsi.berkeley.edu, tmont@cerc.wvu.edu, jgf@mariah.jhuapl.edu Subject: An invitation to join a new discussion group I've taken the liberty of setting up another majordomo list to provide an open forum and question/answer line between us and the developers of RMP. The only person that has been `auto-subscribed' has been your's truly so if you'd like to join in on the fun send email to majordomo@aurora.jhuapl.edu with any subject and a body of: subscribe rmp-discuss For user's that may be new to majordomo, add the following: help lists who rmp-discuss For those of you that I've taken by suprise: RMP == Reliable Multicast Protocol -- John Phelps, jbp@aurora.jhuapl.edu OR jbp@raven.jhuapl.edu Welcome to the RMP Discussion List! First, I would like to thank John Phelps for setting this list up. A short description: This mailing list is aimed at providing a forum for discussion of reliable multicast protocols in general, and of the Reliable Multicast Protocol (RMP) more specifically. The goals of this discussion list are: 1) Provide Brian Whetten, Jack Callahan, and Todd Montgomery with feedback and bug reports on the RMP protocol, library, and examples 2) Stimulate discussion on Reliable Multicast Protocols in general, such as whiteboard and other schemes 3) Bounce around ideas for reliable multicast projects and provide intellectual stimulation geared towards this exciting area of distributed computing 4) Coordinate Wide Area tests among RMP users 5) Provide a forum where people can share their experiences, good or bad, with RMP and other reliable multicast schemes 6) Discuss RMP protocol verification activities 7) Some more specific topics of interest: Multicast group flow and congestion control schemes Virtual Synchronous execution model(s) Enhancements/Problems for RMP Ideas for projects using RMP RMP Protocol Verification activites -- Todd Montgomery tmont@cerc.wvu.edu Other RMP Information Sources: http://research.ivv.nasa.gov/projects/RMP/RMP.html ftp://research.ivv.nasa.gov/pub/doc/RMP ftp://research.ivv.nasa.gov/pub/src/RMP