From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 01 10:00:38 1995 Received: from nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 1 May 1995 07:00:08 -0700 Received: from slb124.cc.nps.navy.mil by nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13314; Mon, 1 May 95 06:59:49 PDT Date: Mon, 1 May 95 06:59:47 PDT Message-Id: <9505011359.AA13314@nps.navy.mil> X-Sender: tlemswil@nps.navy.mil Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rem-conf@es.net From: tlemswiler@nps.navy.mil (Tracey Emswiler) Subject: Hamming Lecture Series X-Mailer: THE ART OF DOING SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING Learning to Learn Richard W. Hamming Naval Postgraduate School Monterey, California 1. Lecture 16: Tuesday, 2 May 1995 from 1210-1300 PDT (1910-2000 GMT) Digital Filters - III: Taking a closer look at the systematic design of non-recursive filters 2. Lecture 17: Thursday, 4 May 1995 from 1210-1300 PDT (1910-2000 GMT) Digital Filters - IV: Recursive Filters. 3. Lecture 18: Friday, 5 May 1995 from 1510-1600 PDT (2210-2300 GMT) Simulation - I: A major use of computers these days, after writing and text editing, graphics, program compilation, etc. is simulation. Are we depending on simulation more and more, and looking at reality less and less? As always, your comments/feedback are welcome. Please address them to tlemswil@nps.navy.mil --------------------------------------------------------- LT Tracey Emswiler Naval Postgraduate School Code 36 Monterey California 93943-5000 USA Voice Mail: (408) 656-2536 x2157 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 01 10:31:25 1995 Received: from postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu by osi-east.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 1 May 1995 07:30:49 -0700 Received: from [132.236.199.54] (PHANTOM.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.199.54]) by postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA02863 for ; Mon, 1 May 1995 10:29:53 -0400 X-Sender: rc19@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 10:28:43 -0400 To: rem-conf@es.net From: R.Cogger@cornell.edu (Richard Cogger) Subject: CU-SeeMe going commercial Folks, At the suggestion of Ari Olikainen, and for whatever interest it may have, I'm posting this to rem-conf. ______________________________________________________________________ If you would be offended by news of an upcoming announcement and news release about future commercially licensed versions of CU-SeeMe, please stop reading now. If on the other hand, you would be interested, here is the scoop: ______________________________________________________________________ As previously mentioned on the CU-SeeMe list, Cornell is arranging to release source code for CU-SeeMe with both free, non-comercial licensing and commercial licensing through a Master Licensee. Free versions of the program will continue to be developed, as in the past, but now we can look forward to commercially enhanced and supported (but interoperable) versions for those who will prefer to have that option. Cornell University in conjunction with White Pine Software will be making a joint announcement LIVE over the Internet. Cornell has selected White Pine as master licensee for commercial development of Cornell's CU-SeeMe Desktop Video Conferencing technology. To bring this event to everyone who may be interested, we will be setting up a reflector network to carry the announcement as well as some other parts of the Desktop Videoconferencing Conference in San Francisco next week. Incidently, we need some reflector sites willing to help. If you are interested in hooking in a Reflector, please send email to John Lynn, jal7@cornell.edu. __________Below is information provided by White Pine________________ In San Fransicso from May 2nd to May 4th White Pine will be participating in the DVC (Desktop Video Conference) Technical Seminar & Exhibition in San Francisco. During the show we will announce the details of our partnership with Cornell and their Video Conferencing Cu-SeeMe technology. At the conference we plan to use CU-SeeMe to broadcast the news to the Internet community. We will have an Internet onramp on the show floor and in a Technical Conference room. The technology allows for us to set in place a number of group conferencing sites over the Internet to which users will be able to connect to watch and listen to the following events: * Tuesday May 2nd 1:00 pm -> 7:00 pm PST: * Connect to White Pine's site to watch and collaborate with participants at the DVC show. * Wednesday May 3rd * Connect to Cornell's site for the following broadcast events: * 9:00 am -> 11:30 pm PST: Watch the DVC technical program: * Software Interface Issues: This session reviews some of the problems application developers will encounter in bringing up conferencing software. * 12:30 pm -> 1:15 pm PST: * Watch a press presentation and demo announcing White Pine's entrance into the Video Conferencing field with Cornell University. During the demo White Pine will conference with Cornell to discuss the technology with Richard Cogger, creater of the technology. * 1:30 pm -> 4:00 pm PST: Watch the DVC technical program: * Applications from Kiosks to Classrooms: The technology for videoconferencing, as the presenters in this session will illustrate, lends itself to much more than desk-to-desk applications. * Thursday May 4th 10:00 am -> 3:00 pm PST: * Connect to White Pine's site to watch and collaborate with participants at the DVC show. The exact times and events may change and the Internet site names and ID's to conference to will be posted on White Pine's Home Page: http://www.wpine.com/cuseeme.html If you do not have access to Mosaic or Netscape please e-mail White Pine at dvc@wpine.com your intention to participate in viewing the conference and we will e-mail you the information as available. From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 01 11:53:13 1995 Received: from ceres.fokus.gmd.de by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 1 May 1995 08:52:43 -0700 Received: from lupus (actually lupus.fokus.gmd.de) by ceres.fokus.gmd.de with SMTP (PP-ICR1v5); Mon, 1 May 1995 17:37:32 +0200 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: tccc@cs.umass.edu, cellular@dfv.rwth-aachen.de, perform@tay1.dec.com, end2end-interest@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net, ccrc@dworkin.wustl.edu, hipparch@sophia.inria.fr From: Henning Schulzrinne Subject: CFP: Infocom'96 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 17:35:18 +0200 Sender: schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de CFP: Infocom'96 -- Networking the Next Generation You are invited to submit full papers on advances in computer communications and networks to Infocom'96, taking place March 1996 in San Francisco. Papers are due July 18, 1995. Details may be found at: http://www.research.att.com/~hgs/infocom96 ----- Henning Schulzrinne email: hgs@fokus.gmd.de GMD-Fokus phone: +49 30 25499 182 Hardenbergplatz 2 fax: +49 30 25499 202 D-10623 Berlin URL: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/step/hgs From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 01 12:53:48 1995 Received: from aero.org by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 1 May 1995 09:53:20 -0700 Received: from antares.aero.org ([130.221.192.46]) by aero.org with SMTP id <111119-1>; Mon, 1 May 1995 09:53:10 -0700 Received: from salt.aero.org by antares.aero.org (4.1/AMS-1.0) id AA11770 for rem-conf@es.net; Mon, 1 May 95 09:53:07 PDT Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 09:49:21 -0700 From: gorlick@antares.aero.org Original-Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Original-Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Feedback on MBone Broadcast of ICSE-17 Cc: gorlick@aero.org Message-Id: <95May1.095310pdt.111119-1@aero.org> My thanks to all those who tuned into the MBone broadcast of the 17th International Conference on Software Engineering held last week April 26-28 in Seattle, Washington USA. In producing this broadcast we used studio-grade audio and video equipment and I am very interested in receiving feedback on the quality and format of the broadcast (please direct comments on content to the conference program committee ;) from our viewers. I intend to incorporate these comments into an experience report that I am writing for the ICSE organizers. Please direct your comments to Michael Gorlick The Aerospace Corporation P.O. Box 92957 Los Angeles, California USA 90009 PHONE: (310) 336-8661 FAX: (310) 336-4402 gorlick@aero.org From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 01 15:52:53 1995 Received: from camel.jpl.nasa.gov by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 1 May 1995 12:51:52 -0700 Received: from aeolus.jpl.nasa.gov (aeolus.jpl.nasa.gov [137.79.7.22]) by camel.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA22174 for <@camel.jpl.nasa.gov:rem-conf@es.net>; Mon, 1 May 1995 12:51:43 -0700 Received: by aeolus.jpl.nasa.gov (931110.SGI/920502.SGI.AUTO) for @camel.jpl.nasa.gov:rem-conf@es.net id AA00888; Mon, 1 May 95 12:51:43 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 May 95 12:51:43 -0700 From: elson@aeolus.jpl.nasa.gov (Lee Elson) Message-Id: <9505011951.AA00888@aeolus.jpl.nasa.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net subscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 01 17:03:24 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 1 May 1995 14:02:59 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14618(3)>; Mon, 1 May 1995 14:02:48 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <49859>; Mon, 1 May 1995 14:02:39 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: R.Cogger@cornell.edu (Richard Cogger) cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: CU-SeeMe going commercial In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 01 May 95 07:28:43 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 14:02:37 PDT Sender: Bill Fenner From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95May1.140239pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> In message you write: > Cornell University in conjunction with White Pine Software >will be making a joint announcement LIVE over the Internet. Is this going to be broadcasted over the MBONE as well, or just over the reflector network? Does CU-SeeMe have a good way (i.e. set-and-forget, like MBONE) to cross a firewall? Thanks, Bill From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 02 12:09:15 1995 Received: from Sun.COM (actually koriel.Sun.COM) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 2 May 1995 09:08:43 -0700 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (koriel.Sun.COM) id AA14501; Tue, 2 May 95 09:08:39 PDT Received: from rebma. (rebma-i.Eng.Sun.COM) by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA13658; Tue, 2 May 1995 09:08:31 -0700 Received: by rebma. (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01769; Tue, 2 May 1995 09:07:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 09:07:10 -0700 From: hoffman@rebma.Eng.Sun.COM (Don Hoffman) Message-Id: <9505021607.AA01769@rebma.> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Sunergy #14 - NEW ENTERPRISES IN NEW ECONOMIES Cc: speer@Eng.Sun.COM Reply-To: hoffman@Eng.Sun.COM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII The following Sunergy program will be broadcast on the MBONE 5/16, 11:30-13:00 EDT. Check your local sd listing for multicast address and video format. Program questions to sunergy@sun.com or consult the Web page at: http://www.sun.com/sunergy/ Technical or broadcast related questions to hoffman@eng.sun.com or speer@eng.sun.com. The original live broadcast will be on 11 May, 1995 at 8:00 GMT. Send email to sunergy@sun.com for satellite coordinates for Europe. We are also looking for a volunteer to multicast the live broadcast in Europe. Thanks, Don Hoffman Sun Microsystems, Inc. email - don.hoffman@eng.sun.com, phone - +503 297 1580, fax - +503 297 1772 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunergy #14: "NEW ENTERPRISES IN NEW ECONOMIES" May 16, 1995 BROADCAST DAY/DATE: TUESDAY, 16 MAY 1995 TEST TIME: 10:30-11:30 Eastern Time PROGRAM TIME: 11:30-13:00 Eastern Time A defining characteristic of business in the '90s is the entry of formerly controlled economies into the "global marketplace." These economies are, more often than not, politically and culturally diverse - yet they share surprising commonalities in the race to do business globally: 1. Each has developed a high degree of self sufficiency, represented by a highly motivated and well educated labor force - well suited for success in forefront, technology driven, "knowledge based industries." 2. Each is adopting new technologies in order to: - Create a new financial infrastructure. - Privatize centrally held firms. - Develop entrepreneurship. 3. The resulting economies will be highly evolved, technologically advanced, and internationally competitive. The focus of Sunergy 14 is the process by which this rapid development takes place and the role of technology in that process. The program will be divided into three segments of approximately 30 minutes each: I) Building Financial Infrastructure - What is involved in creating financial markets from the ground up? - What are the technological requirements to allow global financial transactions to take place? II) Privatization - Focus on process of privatization/partnering. - Discusses computer, network, internet roles in communications. III) Entrepreneurship - How does open systems help entrepreneurs provide fundamental services? Guests include: Scott McNealy - CEO, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Dr. Alexander Galitsky - CEO, ELVIS+ John Gage (host) - Director, Science Office, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Geoffrey Baehr - Chief Networking Officer, SunLabs TBD - Central Bank of Russia TBD - Sorghum Breweries, South Africa [Guest biographies currently available are included below] AUDIENCE: - Technical and commercial users in the enterprise who need to automate business or technical processes - Innovators responsible for building or changing their computing model to achieve strategic advantage. - Entrepreneurs wishing to remain abreast of technological advancements. - Anyone interested in keeping up with directions in open systems computing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- *** If you intend to watch this show, please take a moment to notify the Sunergy office. Your reply will be greatly appreciated Thank you. *** Email: sunergy@sun.com Phone: +1-415-336-5847 (after 4/15/95: +1-415-786-8205) Fax: +1-415-336-3880 (after 4/15/95: +1-415-786-8416) Feel free to contact us if you have questions, need assistance or need additional information. Updated information on this broadcast, as it becomes available, will be posted to the Sunergy World Wide Web pages at: http://www.sun.com/sunergy/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ########################## GUEST BIOGRAPHIES ######################## SCOTT McNEALY Chief Executive Officer President Chairman of the Board Sun Microsystems, Inc. Under the leadership of co-founder Scott McNealy, Sun Microsystems Inc. has become one of America's fastest-growing companies, according to _Fortune_. The 40-year-old chief executive is leading "the most efficient company in the industry," says _BusinessWeek_, which also credits McNealy with having "proved to his doubters that he can run a multibillion-dollar company by making Sun Microsystems the model for the entire industry, including IBM." McNealy serves as chairman of the board, president and CEO of Sun, the parent company of all Sun subsidiaries and operating companies. The $4.7 billion corporation, which ranks 120 on the Fortune 500, is the world's leading provider of powerful UNIX workstations, servers and related software and hardware technologies based on open, distributed, network computing. McNealy has become an industry spokesman for open computer systems and a chief proponent of client-server, peer computing. He serves as vice chairman for Trade of the Computer Systems Policy Project, a consortium of 13 of the largest U.S. computer companies that addresses public policy issues affecting the industry and the country. He is also on the board of directors of Iwerks Entertainment and the Santa Clara County Manufacturers Board. McNealy was vice president of operations at Sun before his appointment to president in February 1984. Prior to Sun, he was director of operations at Onyx Systems, a manufacturer of microcomputer systems, and a member of FMC's corporate manufacturing staff. He has also held various operations and sales positions at Rockwell International. McNealy was awarded a degree in economics from Harvard University and an M.B.A. from Stanford University. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JOHN GAGE (Host) Director, Science office Sun Microsystems, Inc. John Gage is responsible for Sun's relationships with the world scientific and public policy communities, international scientific institutions and groups developing new forms of scientific research involving computing. He is on scientific and advisory panels of the United States National Science Foundation, the US Congress Office of Technology Assessment, the European Institute of Technology and the United States National Academy of Sciences. He has recently been appointed to the US National Research Council Mathematical Sciences Education Board. He is a member of ACM, IEEE, SIAM, AMS, AAAS, and SMPTE. He attended the Harvard Business School and the Harvard Graduate School of Public Policy. He did doctoral work in economics and mathematics at the University of Berkeley at the same time as Bill Joy. Gage subsequently left Berkeley with Joy to start Sun in 1982. Gage is on the Board of Directors of Unicode, an industry consortium of IBM, Microsoft, Apple, Novell, and others to provide multilingual capability in all world scripts for all documents and applications. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ GEOFF BAEHR Chief Networking Officer Sun Microsystems Laboratories Previously Director of Advanced Development at Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation. He initiated ATM projects at Sun along with wireless, spread spectrum radio, mobile IP and authentication. Before Sun, he was the Manager of Network System Engineers at TRW. Baehr was the first president and founder of the ATM Forum and the editor for IEEE Communications Gigabit Network magazine. He currently runs the Internet Commerce Group. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DR. ALEXANDER GALITSKY Chairman of the Board and CEO Elvis+ 15 years experience as Chief Engineer and Project Manager in: -satellite control/communications systems (hardware and software -multiprocessor and imaging systems -communication systems and networking Expertise: -computer network architecture and communications From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 02 14:15:29 1995 Received: from guest.apple.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 2 May 1995 11:14:57 -0700 Received: from max1.atg.apple.com by guest.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/8-Feb-1993-eef) id AA29273; Tue, 2 May 95 11:14:51 PDT for rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 11:14:54 -0700 To: rem-conf@es.net From: max@guest.apple.com (Mark Q. Maxham) Subject: Conferencing URL? Has anyone else been working on standardizing a conferencing/real-time-media URL? I've been in an informal discussion among the CU-SeeMe, Vosaic, Netphone, and QuickTime Conferencing developers, and I want to make sure we're not replicating effort. If there is not already a mailing list, I will create one, but I wanted to put this past rem-conf first. max From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 02 14:32:17 1995 Received: from bart.sfera.it (actually 194.20.114.77) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 2 May 1995 11:31:18 -0700 Received: (from ivan@localhost) by bart.sfera.it (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA00568; Tue, 2 May 1995 20:32:07 +0200 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 20:32:04 +0200 From: Ivan Buttinoni Subject: HELP To: rem-conf@es.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII HELP END From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 02 14:51:24 1995 Received: from tweety.cs.berkeley.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 2 May 1995 11:50:39 -0700 Received: from tweety.cs.berkeley.edu (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by tweety.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.11/8.3) with ESMTP id LAA27091; Tue, 2 May 1995 11:50:37 -0700 From: Larry Rowe Message-Id: <199505021850.LAA27091@tweety.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: [MBONE] UCB Multimedia Seminar (5/5/95): J. Princen "Signal Adaptive Subband Audio Coding" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 11:50:37 -0700 BERKELEY MULTIMEDIA SEMINAR Signal Adaptive Subband Audio Coding John Princen Silicon Graphics Date: May 5, 1995 Time: 2:30-3:30 Room: 405 Soda Hall (presentation starts at 2:30 sharp) The application of subband coding to high quality audio compression has lead to a significant reduction in the bitrate necessary to provide CD quality audio. The success of subband coding has resulted from the application of psycho-acoustic principles and new filterbank designs. Despite this success there is still room for improvement. In this talk I will introduce the ideas from psycho-acoustics which are important in audio compression and discuss the design of optimal filterbanks. Within this framework I will comment on the current crop of high quality coding systems (such as MPEG audio). As the title suggests good filterbank designs for audio coding should be signal adaptive (ie time varying) and I will present a coding system which demonstrates some aspects of optimal filterbank design. ----- This seminar will be broadcast on the MBONE starting at 2:30. The seminar will start promptly at 2:30. From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 02 18:13:34 1995 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 2 May 1995 15:12:52 -0700 Received: from bigpink.pa.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA21656; Tue, 2 May 95 15:05:42 -0700 Received: by bigpink.pa.dec.com; id AA16343; Tue, 2 May 1995 15:02:59 -0700 Message-Id: <9505022202.AA16343@bigpink.pa.dec.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: band@std.com Subject: Severe Tire Damage 3-May-95 Date: Tue, 02 May 95 15:02:58 -0700 From: berc@pa.dec.com X-Mts: smtp What: Severe Tire Damage Concert Date: 3-May-95 Time: 9pm - 9:30pm PDT From: The Fabulous SubForum (nee Garage) Systems Research Center Digital Equipment Corporation Palo Alto, California Last week's remote camera control experiment was a great success. During the half hour broadcast eighteen different sites aimed the camera at their favorite band members. Thanks very much! This week we'll again have remote control, and will also have still frame grabbing. Implementation note: the camera was controlled by users clicking on choice boxes in a WWW page running on a server at Xerox PARC. The server ran a htbin script that sent control messages to a Tcl program running on a SparcBook carried to DEC SRC for the session. The serial port of the SparcBook was connected to a Cannon video camera which had its video output running to the Alpha workstation that sources the STD mcasts. Nothing could be simpler, n'est-ce pas? This week's Computer Chronicles should feature Severe Tire Damage, recorded during the first weekly MCast. Watch for it on your local PBS station. KCSM, the local stations that's also the source of Computer Chronicles, airs it Friday nights at 9pm. As always, remote participation is greatly appreciated. Lance Berc berc@src.dec.com Camera control: http://www.std.com/std/SevereTireDamageLive.html Still image grabbing: http://chocolate.pa.dec.com/grab.html STD info: http://www.ubiq.com/std/band.html http://www.std.com/homepages/band mailto:band@std.com MBone tools for Alpha workstation: http://chocolate.pa.dec.com/mbone From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 02 18:40:13 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 2 May 1995 15:39:42 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14445(3)>; Tue, 2 May 1995 15:32:52 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <49859>; Tue, 2 May 1995 15:32:42 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: max@guest.apple.com (Mark Q. Maxham) cc: rem-conf@es.net, fenner@parc.xerox.com Subject: Re: Conferencing URL? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 May 95 11:14:54 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 15:32:26 PDT Sender: Bill Fenner From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95May2.153242pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> I pass around SDP packets in application/x-sd MIME types and use "sd-launch", which has several distinct advantages: 1) It just drops in with the normal MIME extension mechanisms, no need to figure out how to make browsers support URL's that look like video://... 2) You can also pass them around in e-mail with no added work 3) (If you already run sd and have customized it) you can get the same customized application launching (i.e. I want to run nv if it's nv format video or vic if it's h.261) as you already have in sd. Bill From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 02 19:08:00 1995 Received: from guest.apple.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 2 May 1995 16:07:17 -0700 Received: from max1.atg.apple.com by guest.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/8-Feb-1993-eef) id AA06962; Tue, 2 May 95 16:07:09 PDT for rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 16:07:12 -0700 To: Bill Fenner From: max@guest.apple.com (Mark Q. Maxham) Subject: Re: Conferencing URL? Cc: rem-conf@es.net, fenner@parc.xerox.com At 3:32 PM 5/2/95, Bill Fenner wrote: > I pass around SDP packets in application/x-sd MIME types and use "sd-launch", > which has several distinct advantages: [...] I, too, am an advocate of using Session Directory files instead of URLs. However, it seems inevitable that people will want to have URLs as well (or such is the early consensus in our little discussion group), so we might as well make a coherent standard. max From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 02 20:21:27 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 2 May 1995 17:20:21 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14492(4)>; Tue, 2 May 1995 17:20:12 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <49859>; Tue, 2 May 1995 17:20:03 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: max@guest.apple.com (Mark Q. Maxham) cc: Bill Fenner , rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Conferencing URL? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 May 95 16:07:12 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 17:19:50 PDT Sender: Bill Fenner From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95May2.172003pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> In message you write: >However, it seems inevitable that people will want to have URLs as well, >so we might as well make a coherent standard. Well, since we both agree that SDP is a good idea, how about a URL version of SDP? We can eliminate s= and o=, under the assumption that you can get that information from wherever you got the URL from, leaving something like: sdp:c=224.2.0.1_191,m=audio_3456 sdp:c=224.2.1.1_127,m=video_4444,a=fmt:nv sdp:c=224.2.227.175_127,m=audio_38325,m=video_56276,a=fmt:nv That way, with a couple of simple frobulations, you can use the same parser for SDP packets and URL's. Bill From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 03 05:23:50 1995 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 3 May 1995 02:23:11 -0700 Received: from shrew.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Wed, 3 May 1995 10:19:54 +0100 From: Mark Handley Organisation: University College London, CS Dept. Phone: +44 71 380 7777 ext 3666 To: Bill Fenner cc: max@guest.apple.com (Mark Q. Maxham), rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Conferencing URL? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 May 95 17:19:50 PDT." <95May2.172003pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 95 10:19:42 +0100 Message-ID: <8907.799492782@cs.ucl.ac.uk> Sender: M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk >In message you write: >>However, it seems inevitable that people will want to have URLs as well, >>so we might as well make a coherent standard. > >Well, since we both agree that SDP is a good idea, how about a URL version of >SDP? We can eliminate s= and o=, under the assumption that you can get that >information from wherever you got the URL from, leaving something like: > >sdp:c=224.2.0.1_191,m=audio_3456 > >sdp:c=224.2.1.1_127,m=video_4444,a=fmt:nv > >sdp:c=224.2.227.175_127,m=audio_38325,m=video_56276,a=fmt:nv > >That way, with a couple of simple frobulations, you can use the same parser >for SDP packets and URL's. Yes, you can get this to fly. I can't say I like it, but if you insist, I would suggest you simply URL-encode the spaces and newlines, then the usual url decode software can be used prior to an SDP parser. An alternative which was suggested at the IETF by one of the web people was to have an HTML enclosure for SDP, rather than using a URL. Mark From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 03 15:18:02 1995 Received: from sound.music.mcgill.ca by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 3 May 1995 12:17:34 -0700 Received: from ems.music.mcgill.ca (ems [132.206.141.4]) by sound.music.mcgill.ca (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA16901 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 15:16:34 -0400 Received: by ems.music.mcgill.ca (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA01903; Wed, 3 May 95 14:16:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 14:16:41 -0500 (GMT-0500) From: Laurie Radford Subject: unsubscribe To: rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 03 19:23:37 1995 Received: from garfield.CS.Berkeley.EDU by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 3 May 1995 16:23:07 -0700 Received: from garfield.CS.Berkeley.EDU (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by garfield.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA23725 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 16:23:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199505032323.QAA23725@garfield.CS.Berkeley.EDU> From: Andrew Swan To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: HP Video Capture Hardware? Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 16:23:04 -0700 Sender: aswan@plateau.CS.Berkeley.EDU Our research group just got several new HP workstations on which we are interested in using the existing mbone tools and developing new tools. We have all the software set up so we can view broadcasts that originate elsewhere. We would also like to be able to originate broadcasts from the HPs. However, I'm not familiar with the hardware available for HPs for doing video capture. Could somebody give me a few pointers to whatever capture only or capture and decoding boards are available? (The machines are models 712 and 715 if that makes a difference). Thanks in advance... -Andrew From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu May 04 09:45:24 1995 Received: from UTKVX1.UTK.EDU by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 4 May 1995 06:44:53 -0700 Received: from utkvx.utk.edu by utkvx.utk.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #9964) id <01HQ3MSNKUJK8Y8FES@utkvx.utk.edu>; Thu, 04 May 1995 09:44:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 09:44:14 -0500 (EST) From: SECRIST@utkvx.utk.edu Subject: Subscribe To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: SECRIST@utkvx.utk.edu Message-id: <01HQ3N0YOJIK8Y8FES@utkvx.utk.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT SUBSCRIBE From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu May 04 15:07:58 1995 Received: from viipuri.nersc.gov by osi-east.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 4 May 1995 12:07:26 -0700 Received: by viipuri.nersc.gov (4.1/ESnet-1.2) id AA22125; Thu, 4 May 95 12:07:25 PDT Date: Thu, 4 May 95 12:07:25 PDT From: ari@es.net (Ari Ollikainen) Message-Id: <9505041907.AA22125@viipuri.nersc.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: FW: NT-compatible capture and audio boards Reply-To: rem-conf@es.net ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From mike@invision.com Thu Apr 27 04:35:39 1995 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 19:10:52 PDT From: mike@invision.com Subject: FW: NT-compatible capture and audio boards To: rem-conf-request@es.net X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1066 Hi Everyone ! We are also looking for the same info. Please send the info to either my email address or the list address, I'll catch it either way. Thanks in advance. Mike Thompson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- InVision Systems Corp. - The Video Communications Company (TM) 317 S. Main #310 Tulsa, OK 74103 918.584.7772 918.584.7775 - FAX email: mike@invision.com (Michael Thompson) CompuServe: 73024,1642 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:59:55 +0500 Igor Plotnikov wrote: >Hi everybody! > >We're porting our videoconferencing app, >Communique to Windows NT, and we're looking >for a good audio and video hardware. > >Does anybody know a descent video capture board >with Video for Windows drivers available for >the Windows NT platfortm? > >I'd also appreciate any info on full-duplex audio >boards with NT WAVE drivers available. > >Please reply directly to my email address. > >Thanks! > >Igor Plotnikov, >InSoft, Inc. > ----- End Included Message ----- From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu May 04 19:19:39 1995 Received: from uu5.psi.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 4 May 1995 16:19:09 -0700 Received: by uu5.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA27182 for ; Thu, 4 May 95 19:14:02 -0400 Original-Received: from cc:Mail UUCPLINK 2.0 by uu1072.aepco.com id 9504047996.AA799641080 Thu, 04 May 95 19:31:20 PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Date: Thu, 04 May 95 19:31:20 From: SPEAKS@uu1072.aepco.com Message-Id: <9504047996.AA799641080@uu1072.aepco.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: cc:Mail UUCPLINK 2.0 Undeliverable Message User uu1072!Vanek@uu1072.aepco.com is not defined Original text follows ----------------------------------------- Received: by ccmail Received: from uupsi5 by aepco.com (UUPC/extended 1.11) with UUCP; Thu, 04 May 1995 19:31:06 PDT Received: from osi-east.es.net by uu5.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA24599 for Vanek; Thu, 4 May 95 19:02:44 -0400 Received: from viipuri.nersc.gov by osi-east.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 4 May 1995 12:07:26 -0700 Received: by viipuri.nersc.gov (4.1/ESnet-1.2) id AA22125; Thu, 4 May 95 12:07:25 PDT Date: Thu, 4 May 95 12:07:25 PDT From: ari@es.net (Ari Ollikainen) X-ccAdmin: postmaster@uupsi5 Message-Id: <9505041907.AA22125@viipuri.nersc.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: FW: NT-compatible capture and audio boards Reply-To: rem-conf@es.net ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From mike@invision.com Thu Apr 27 04:35:39 1995 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 19:10:52 PDT From: mike@invision.com Subject: FW: NT-compatible capture and audio boards To: rem-conf-request@es.net X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1066 Hi Everyone ! We are also looking for the same info. Please send the info to either my email address or the list address, I'll catch it either way. Thanks in advance. Mike Thompson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- InVision Systems Corp. - The Video Communications Company (TM) 317 S. Main #310 Tulsa, OK 74103 918.584.7772 918.584.7775 - FAX email: mike@invision.com (Michael Thompson) CompuServe: 73024,1642 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:59:55 +0500 Igor Plotnikov wrote: >Hi everybody! > >We're porting our videoconferencing app, >Communique to Windows NT, and we're looking >for a good audio and video hardware. > >Does anybody know a descent video capture board >with Video for Windows drivers available for >the Windows NT platfortm? > >I'd also appreciate any info on full-duplex audio >boards with NT WAVE drivers available. > >Please reply directly to my email address. > >Thanks! > >Igor Plotnikov, >InSoft, Inc. > ----- End Included Message ----- From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu May 04 23:36:38 1995 Received: from hookomo (actually hookomo.aloha.net) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 4 May 1995 20:36:09 -0700 Received: by hookomo (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0s7EB4-000XLZC; Thu, 4 May 95 17:35 WET Message-Id: From: newsham@aloha.net (Timothy Newsham) Subject: Re: Hamming Lecture Series To: tlemswiler@nps.navy.mil (Tracey Emswiler) Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 17:35:41 -1000 (HST) Cc: rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <9505011359.AA13314@nps.navy.mil> from "Tracey Emswiler" at May 1, 95 06:59:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 178 > THE ART OF DOING SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING > Learning to Learn Will this conference be available on any of the media-on-demand servers? Tim N. From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 05 05:08:38 1995 Received: from nic.bme.hu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 5 May 1995 02:07:57 -0700 Received: from dundi.sch.bme.hu (dundi.sch.bme.hu [152.66.86.121]) by nic.bme.hu (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA32185 for ; Fri, 5 May 1995 11:07:35 +0200 Received: (from peterivo@localhost) by dundi.sch.bme.hu (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA00197 for rem-conf@es.net; Fri, 5 May 1995 11:08:43 +0200 Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 11:08:43 +0200 From: Racz Peter Ivo Message-Id: <199505050908.LAA00197@dundi.sch.bme.hu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: help help From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 05 12:45:33 1995 Received: from indurain.cse.ogi.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 5 May 1995 09:45:04 -0700 Received: by indurain.cse.ogi.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA13778; Fri, 5 May 1995 09:44:54 -0700 From: Jon Inouye Message-Id: <9505051644.AA13778@indurain.cse.ogi.edu> Subject: Re: HP Video Capture Hardware? To: aswan@cs.berkeley.edu Date: Fri, 5 May 95 9:44:54 PDT Cc: rem-conf@es.net Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] >Our research group just got several new HP workstations on which >we are interested in using the existing mbone tools and developing >new tools. We have all the software set up so we can view >broadcasts that originate elsewhere. We would also like to be able >to originate broadcasts from the HPs. However, I'm not familiar >with the hardware available for HPs for doing video capture. Could >somebody give me a few pointers to whatever capture only or capture >and decoding boards are available? (The machines are models 712 >and 715 if that makes a difference). Thanks in advance... Andrew, Our group uses Parallax (http://www.parallax.com/) PowerVideo700 cards in our HP 755 and 725. The Parallax card requires an EISA interface so you will only be able to install them on the 715's. If you want to develop applications using the Parallax card, you will need to get the Video Development Environment (VDE). We have versions of nvsrc-3.3beta and vic-2.6 that can transmit video >from Parallax 700 cards and I can send you the sources if you need them. You will need the VDE libraries to build a binary. Once we clean up our code, we'll release the material to PARC and LBL. We purchased the Parallax card (rather than HP's VideoLive card) because we wanted real-time NTSC quality video capture to a fast-wide SCSI disk for some of the multimedia research being done here at OGI. The Parallax card costs more, but has the ability to perform JPEG compression (Motion JPEG). The HP VideoLive board is supported by ivs, nv, and vic. From what I remember, this board also requires an EISA slot. FYI: HP Digital Video page is http://www.dmo.hp.com/wsg/ssa/digvideo.html -- Jon Inouye EMAIL: jinouye@cse.ogi.edu Distributed Systems Research Group WWW : http://www.cse.ogi.edu/~jinouye/ Computer Science and Eng. Dept. PHONE: (503) 690-1009, FAX: (503) 690-1553 Oregon Graduate Institute of Science & Technology (aka OGI) From REM-CONF-request@es.net Fri May 05 14:04:22 1995 Received: from pppl.gov by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 5 May 1995 11:03:52 -0700 Received: from RAX (rax.pppl.gov [192.55.106.12]) by pppl.gov (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA23328 for ; Fri, 5 May 1995 14:03:50 -0400 From: schechtm@rax.pppl.gov Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 13:59:05 -0400 Message-Id: <95050513590472@rax.pppl.gov> To: REM-CONF@es.net Subject: DECUS next week on MBone? X-VMS-To: REM-CONF@ES.NET X-VMS-Cc: SCHECHTM A number of sessions at DECUS '95/Washington, D.C. are scheduled to be multicast according to DECUS but I haven't seen any announcement on this list and there is no sd entry as of 2 pm eastern Friday. Does anyone know whether it is still scheduled? Thanks, Nathan Schechtman email: nschechtman@pppl.gov Princeton Plasma Physics Lab phone: 609-243-3465 PO Box 451 fax: 609-243-3086 Princeton, NJ 08543-0451 PGP key fingerprint: 77 ED A5 60 18 36 90 32 F6 EB 71 A8 6D FD 98 55 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat May 06 14:11:18 1995 Received: from DECUS.ORG (actually Topaz.DECUS.Org) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sat, 6 May 1995 11:10:48 -0700 Received: from mr.decus.org by DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-13 #7924) id <01HQ6OV8FEVK9ART7D@DECUS.Org>; Sat, 6 May 1995 14:09:57 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Sat, 6 May 1995 14:01:26 GMT MR-Received: by mta TOPAZ; Relayed; Sat, 06 May 1995 14:01:26 +0000 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 19:00:09 +0000 (GMT) From: "Paul Murphy (508) 841-3346" Subject: FYI- DECUS Sessions Multicast on the MBone To: rem-conf@es.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary (ID qTelRbs8QtyW1cF8OOjK3Q)" Posting-date: Sat, 06 May 1995 19:01:00 +0000 (GMT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E441ZVTCK1958 X400-MTS-identifier: [;62104160505991/425666@TOPAZ] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 0 --Boundary (ID qTelRbs8QtyW1cF8OOjK3Q) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII --Boundary (ID qTelRbs8QtyW1cF8OOjK3Q) Content-type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 14:07:38 GMT Subject: REM-Conf posting Sender: Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal A1-type: DOCUMENT DECUS '95/Washington, D.C. to Multicast over the Internet A number of selected sessions at DECUS '95/Washington, D.C. are scheduled to be multicast over the Internet utilizing the Multicast Backbone (MBone) protocol and transmission process. This pilot program will showcase just a few of the many timely and beneficial offerings presented at DECUS '95/Washington, D.C. via a live, world wide, audio/video feed. It is anticipated that viewers may participate in interactive question and answer sessions following presentations via the Internet Chat Line over IRC channel #DECUS. Featured presentations are expected to include keynote sessions provided by: Enrico Pesatori, vice president and general manager of the Computer Systems Division of Digital Equipment Corporation - Monday, May 8 - 08:30 EDT (12:30 GMT). Dr. Bill Hancock, leading authority on networking and security, and executive vice president of Network-1 - Tuesday, May 9 - 08:00 EDT (12:00 GMT). Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the World Wide Web - Wednesday, May 10 - 08:00 EDT (12:00 GMT). Marc Andreessen, developer of the Mosaic browser, and vice president of technology for Netscape Communications - Thursday, May 11 - 08:00 EDT (12:00 GMT). In addition, a tape delayed presentation of the session "Linux: Past, Present, and Future", delivered by Linux developer Linus Torvalds, will be multicast over the MBone on Wednesday, May 10 at 14:30 EDT (18:30 GMT). There will be no IRC question and answer support for this session. More information is available via URL http://www.decus.org/ --Boundary (ID qTelRbs8QtyW1cF8OOjK3Q)-- From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat May 06 23:57:54 1995 Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sat, 6 May 1995 20:57:31 -0700 Received: from bodum.ccs.neu.edu (bodum.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.114.198]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id XAA02440; Sat, 6 May 1995 23:57:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 23:57:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199505070357.XAA02440@amber.ccs.neu.edu> X-Sender: ivan@ccs.neu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net From: ivan@ccs.neu.edu (Ivan Judson) Subject: SDPv2 Version Question Cc: ivan@ccs.neu.edu Hello, I've been playing around with SDP (v1 and v2), writing some stuff here and there, and I've come upon a question: How does one tell the difference between a version 1 and a version 2 packet? The reason I ask is that it appears that without some indication, the application will be subtracting some offset for the NTP time, but without knowing the version of the incoming packet, it will not know how much to subtract... Well, ideas are welcome. --Ivan Ivan R. Judson "This is my mind; welcome to hell." Math/Computer Science ivan@ccs.neu.edu Argonne National Lab judson@mcs.anl.gov From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun May 07 00:10:19 1995 Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (actually cs.nps.navy.mil) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sat, 6 May 1995 21:09:53 -0700 Received: from libra.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05519; Sat, 6 May 95 21:09:47 PDT From: brutzman@cs.nps.navy.mil (Don Brutzman) Message-Id: <9505070409.AA05519@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> Subject: Re: Hamming Lecture Series To: newsham@aloha.net (Timothy Newsham) Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 21:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tlemswiler@nps.navy.mil, rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: from "Timothy Newsham" at May 4, 95 05:35:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1197 Timothy Newsham writes: > > > THE ART OF DOING SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING > > Learning to Learn > > Will this conference be available on any of the media-on-demand > servers? > > Tim N. We plan to put these lectures online at NPS this summer (June & July). The MICE folks also have spoken about doing it in London. Still no word from the publisher about publication of the course textbook. At this point we are thinking that we should find a very fast machine and use vic to record it in h261 format at 128 or 256 Kbps. Any comments or recommendations on how to best record for archival purposes and best public utility are welcome. Incidentally we finally diagnosed the network problem that disrupted transmissions this past week. Everything works again. Tracey Emswiler will be posting a rebroadcast schedule for last week's sessions. Thanks for everyone's patience and feedback during our troubleshooting. all the best, Don -- Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code UW/Br work 408.656.2149 Monterey California 93943-5000 USA fax 408.656.3679 AUV Underwater Virtual World ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/auv/auv.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun May 07 00:34:21 1995 Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (actually cs.nps.navy.mil) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sat, 6 May 1995 21:33:45 -0700 Received: from libra.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05925; Sat, 6 May 95 21:33:41 PDT From: brutzman@cs.nps.navy.mil (Don Brutzman) Message-Id: <9505070433.AA05925@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> Subject: Interesting MBone problem diagnosis To: mbone@isi.edu (Multicast Backbone mail list) Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 21:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: rem-conf@es.net, hudson@usw.nps.navy.mil (Stefan Hudson), tlemswil@nps.navy.mil (Tracey L Emswiler), marco@lex.me.nps.navy.mil (Dave Marco), dfnorman@nps.navy.mil (Dave Norman), mjnewman@merak.cc.nps.navy.mil (Mike Newman), cochran@stl.nps.navy.mil (Milena Cochran) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1894 Last week we had a troublesome problem during our MBone multicasts of the Hamming lecture series. Our transmission experienced 50% losses at the transmitting workstation! This was surprising to us because there were no other significant processes running on the transmitting SGI Indy (hamming.me.nps.navy.mil). A variety of experiments and network tests gave conflicting results. Finally Mike McCann got us a copy of 'etherview' running locally. Etherview is a public-domain network visualizer program with a graphical display. By filtering out TCP and UDP traffic we discovered that the school's mainframe (vm1.cc.nps.navy.mil, 131.120.50.50, VAX) was sending a constant stream of ICMP packets to our transmitting workstation. This only occurred for streams occurring within NPS with ttl > 16. Thus the 50% loss at the source. Dropping the tunnel that tickled the mainframe removed the problem. Recommendation: have a graphical tool like Etherview handy for any serious multicasting. The diagnosis capabilities are essential. Other tools like tcpdump also work if you take the time to learn the syntax. Note you will need root permission to run these tools, so some preparation that includes your system administrator is also necessary. If anyone knows good pages pointing to etherview, tcpdump etc. please post them in reply to this message. Thanks are also due to Mike Macedonia, Stefan Hudson, Milena Cochran, Dave Marco and Tracey Emswiler. Tracey will be posting a rebroadcast schedule for last week's garbled multicasts. Details on the Hamming lecture series are at ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/mosaic/hamming.announce all the best, Don -- Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code UW/Br work 408.656.2149 Monterey California 93943-5000 USA fax 408.656.3679 AUV Underwater Virtual World ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/auv/auv.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun May 07 01:04:31 1995 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sat, 6 May 1995 22:03:55 -0700 Received: from xfr.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-21) id ; Sat, 6 May 1995 22:03:43 -0700 Posted-Date: Sat 6 May 95 22:03:30 PDT Received: by xfr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id ; Sat, 6 May 95 22:03:31 PDT Date: Sat 6 May 95 22:03:30 PDT From: Stephen Casner Subject: Re: Interesting MBone problem diagnosis To: brutzman@cs.nps.navy.mil, MBONE@ISI.EDU Cc: rem-conf@es.net, hudson@usw.nps.navy.mil, tlemswil@nps.navy.mil, marco@lex.me.nps.navy.mil, dfnorman@nps.navy.mil, mjnewman@merak.cc.nps.navy.mil, cochran@stl.nps.navy.mil Message-Id: <799823010.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> In-Reply-To: <9505070433.AA05925@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> Mail-System-Version: Don, I've been waging a low-level battle against sources of illegal ICMP messages in response to multicast traffic for some time. I have a monitor for them running continuously on my machine, but of course I only see ICMPs for groups to which someone on my local net is transmitting (but vat always transmits control packets even if one only listens). When I observe these, I try to find an email address >from one of the vat participant lists for someone on the offending subnet, and then I send a message about the source of ICMPs. My ICMP monitor is called monicmp. It was built from the monipm program (Tcl script) written by Van Jacobson and Steve McCanne to monitor multicast traffic levels. Both programs run bpf_wish underneath the Tcl script, and bpf_wish depends on installing the updated version of BPF with a bugfix. Anyone interested in these tools and willing to deal with those issues may get: ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/monipm/monipm.tar.Z ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/monipm/bpf.tar.Z ftp://ftp.isi.edu/mbone/monicmp -- Steve ------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun May 07 03:33:53 1995 Received: from snoop.uni.net by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 7 May 1995 00:32:48 -0700 Received: from nt-ppp4.uni.net (nt-ppp4.uni.net [194.20.96.144]) by snoop.uni.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA20077 for ; Sun, 7 May 1995 09:26:07 +0100 Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 09:26:07 +0100 Message-Id: <199505070826.JAA20077@snoop.uni.net> X-Sender: gmiranda@relay.uni.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rem-conf@es.net From: gmiranda@uni.net (Gonzalo Miranda) Subject: subsribe I would be very interested in subscribing to the mailing list regarding remote conferencing working groups via the internet. Lindsay Mieth From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun May 07 07:03:16 1995 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 7 May 1995 04:00:52 -0700 Received: from shrew.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Sun, 7 May 1995 12:00:31 +0100 From: Mark Handley Organisation: University College London, CS Dept. Phone: +44 71 380 7777 ext 3666 To: ivan@ccs.neu.edu (Ivan Judson) cc: mbone@ISI.EDU, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: SDPv2 Version Question In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 06 May 95 23:57:23 EDT." <199505070357.XAA02440@amber.ccs.neu.edu> Date: Sun, 07 May 95 12:00:23 +0100 Message-ID: <650.799844423@cs.ucl.ac.uk> Sender: M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk (this should really be on confctrl@isi.edu) > I've been playing around with SDP (v1 and v2), writing some stuff >here and there, and I've come upon a question: Firstly, I wouldn't recommend implementing from the v2 draft right now. There's a new draft in preparation and quite a lot of things have changed. I hope to release it in the next week for discussion on the confctrl list. >How does one tell the difference between a version 1 and a version 2 packet? > >The reason I ask is that it appears that without some indication, the >application will be subtracting some offset for the NTP time, but without >knowing the version of the incoming packet, it will not know how much to >subtract... In the new v2 draft, I finally got convinced into adding a version number. The only real reason for leaving it out was attempting to minimise the number of fields, and the counter arguments are much stronger. I've been testing my v2 client on a different multicast address (I didn't want to run the risk of breaking v1 clients out there!). No decision has been made yet whether to stick to a new address for v2 (as v1 clients won't parse v2 messages anyway). We can always run a gateway to re-announce v1 messages on the v2 address in the v2 format if we do. Mark From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun May 07 11:43:21 1995 Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 7 May 1995 08:42:57 -0700 Received: from delos (eckert@faui45r.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.54]) by immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de with SMTP id RAA09395 (8.6.12/7.4b-FAU);; Sun, 7 May 1995 17:42:53 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert Message-Id: <199505071542.RAA09395@faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Subject: Re: HP Video Capture Hardware? To: jinouye@cse.ogi.edu (Jon Inouye) Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 17:42:47 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: aswan@cs.berkeley.edu, rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <9505051644.AA13778@indurain.cse.ogi.edu> from "Jon Inouye" at May 5, 95 09:44:54 am Organisation: CSD IMMD IV, University of Erlangen, Germany X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > We purchased the Parallax card (rather than HP's VideoLive card) because we > wanted real-time NTSC quality video capture to a fast-wide SCSI disk for some > of the multimedia research being done here at OGI. The Parallax card costs > more, but has the ability to perform JPEG compression (Motion JPEG). Does this really work ? DO you really get 60 fields of NTSC video synchronized (without field errors) from and to disk ? With the SBus boards from Parallax this does only work with the optional RTV Toolkit software that does neither provide Solaris 2.x support nor does it provide for a useful API to do videoconferencing with it, so in the end even though the Parallax boards seem to to real-time PAL/NTSC quality the software doesn't allow you to use these hardware features. Toerless From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun May 07 12:47:09 1995 Received: from indurain.cse.ogi.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 7 May 1995 09:46:27 -0700 Received: by indurain.cse.ogi.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA18851; Sun, 7 May 1995 09:46:15 -0700 From: Jon Inouye Message-Id: <9505071646.AA18851@indurain.cse.ogi.edu> Subject: Re: HP Video Capture Hardware? To: Toerless.Eckert@Informatik.Uni-Erlangen.de Date: Sun, 7 May 95 9:46:14 PDT Cc: jinouye@cse.ogi.edu, aswan@cs.berkeley.edu, rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <199505071542.RAA09395@faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>; from "Toerless Eckert" at May 7, 95 5:42 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] > > [comment on wanting NTCS quality video capture ability] > > Does this really work ? DO you really get 60 fields of NTSC video > synchronized (without field errors) from and to disk ? With the > SBus boards from Parallax this does only work with the > optional RTV Toolkit software that does neither provide Solaris 2.x > support nor does it provide for a useful API to do videoconferencing > with it, so in the end even though the Parallax boards seem to to > real-time PAL/NTSC quality the software doesn't allow you to use these > hardware features. > > Toerless > No, you don't get perfect NTSC quality. As you have mentioned, there are often synchronization errors (sometimes during video capture) and the compressed image is lossy (user configurable). What you can get is NTSC _perceptual_ quality, that is, users viewing the results can't tell the difference. (Well, what they really notice is the NTSC picture on a computer monitor is smaller than the image on a TV monitor of the same size.) You notice the video capture synchronization problems more when using a subset of the captured image to create MPEG video streams (or other compression techniques based on frame differences). Videoconferencing support could be better. The Parallax API allows you to display images on the X display, but doesn't really allow you to get the uncompressed data from the board. Videoconferencing software has to first display the compressed images on the screen and then grab them via a function like XGetSubImage(). Another problem on HP 8-bit displays emerges because the Parallax board (through an interface to the frame buffer) dumps 24-bit color images to the framebuffer but XGetSubImage captures PseudoColor images. The point of my original message is that VideoLive cards are cheaper if all you want is video conferencing. If you want video capture at good resolution and high frames-per-second (> 15) you probably want to go with the Parallax card. I'd be interested in knowing what capture rates people are getting using systems based on the HP VideoLive cards -JI Local software plug (Distributed MPEG Player): For all the MPEG/NBA fans, we are working with the Portland Trailblazers Inc. and they wanted good quality video source which could be stored in various formats and then played over the Internet with low latency retrieval time and adjustable (interactive!) QoS. Shanwei Cen is developing a distributed MPEG player that has these features. The current version of the player is publically available via anonymous FTP to cse.ogi.edu in the directory /pub/dsrg/Player (or use URL http://www.cse.ogi.edu/~scen/Player/ for a concise description). From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun May 07 18:47:27 1995 Received: from nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 7 May 1995 15:47:04 -0700 Received: from slb131.cc.nps.navy.mil by nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14178; Sun, 7 May 95 15:46:41 PDT Date: Sun, 7 May 95 15:46:39 PDT Message-Id: <9505072246.AA14178@nps.navy.mil> X-Sender: tlemswil@nps.navy.mil Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rem-conf@es.net From: tlemswiler@nps.navy.mil (Tracey Emswiler) Subject: Hamming Lecture Series (Week 6) X-Mailer: Due to last week's technical difficulties, those lectures will be re-broadcasted this week. Please see below for the scheduled sessions. If there is a problem with this, please e-mail me asap. THE ART OF DOING SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING Learning to Learn Richard W. Hamming Naval Postgraduate School Monterey, California 1. Lecture 16: Monday, 8 May 1995 from 1130-1230 PDT (1830-1930 GMT) Digital Filters - III: Taking a closer look at the systematic design of non-recursive filters 2. Lecture 17: Monday, 8 May 1995 from 1530-1630 PDT (2230-2330 GMT) Digital Filters - IV: Recursive Filters. 3. Lecture 18: Tuesday, 9 May 1995 from 1100-1200 PDT (1900-2000 GMT) Simulation - I: A major use of computers these days, after writing and text editing, graphics, program compilation, etc. is simulation. Are we depending on simulation more and more, and looking at reality less and less? Please address your comments/feedback to tlemswil@nps.navy.mil --------------------------------------------------------- LT Tracey Emswiler Naval Postgraduate School Code 36 Monterey California 93943-5000 USA Voice Mail: (408) 656-2536 x2157 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun May 07 18:49:00 1995 Received: from nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 7 May 1995 15:48:36 -0700 Received: from slb131.cc.nps.navy.mil by nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14184; Sun, 7 May 95 15:48:13 PDT Date: Sun, 7 May 95 15:48:12 PDT Message-Id: <9505072248.AA14184@nps.navy.mil> X-Sender: tlemswil@nps.navy.mil Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rem-conf@es.net From: tlemswiler@nps.navy.mil (Tracey Emswiler) Subject: Hamming Lecture Series (Week 7) X-Mailer: THE ART OF DOING SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING Learning to Learn Richard W. Hamming Naval Postgraduate School Monterey, California 1. Lecture 19: Tuesday, 9 May 1995 from 1210-1300 PDT (1910-2000 GMT) Simulation - II: We now take up the question of the reliability of a simulation. 2. Lecture 20: Thursday, 11 May 1995 from 1210-1300 PDT (1910-2000 GMT) Simulation - III: This lecture's focus will center on the old expression "garbage in, garbage out". One would assume that the opposite would also be true - if what goes in is accurate then what comes out will be as well. Dr. Hamming will show that both of these assumptions can be false. 3. Lecture 21: Friday, 12 May 1995 from 1510-1600 PDT (2210-2300 GMT) Fiber Optics: A historical look at Fiber Optics and how Dr. Hamming adopted his style as a result of facing a newly developing field of great potential importance. As always, your comments/feedback are welcome. Please address them to tlemswil@nps.navy.mil --------------------------------------------------------- LT Tracey Emswiler Naval Postgraduate School Code 36 Monterey California 93943-5000 USA Voice Mail: (408) 656-2536 x2157 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 08 09:04:26 1995 Received: from dec486.dc95.show.decus.org by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 8 May 1995 06:03:58 -0700 Received: by dec486.dc95.show.decus.org; (5.65/1.1.8.2/08May95-0615AM) id AA01383; Mon, 8 May 1995 08:30:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 08:30:32 -0400 From: Mbone Message-Id: <9505081230.AA01383@dec486.dc95.show.decus.org> To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: DECUS: incorrect sd ad It seems that the 'sd' ad did not correctly indicate that the video is being transmitted with vic/h261. It is still running so please try to access the session with vic/h261. Thanks. Dave/Mbone From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 08 09:11:10 1995 Received: from fastball.unimaster.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 8 May 1995 06:10:35 -0700 Received: (from cherkus@localhost) by fastball.unimaster.com (8.6.7/8.6.9) id JAA06549; Mon, 8 May 1995 09:06:31 -0400 From: Dave Cherkus Message-Id: <199505081306.JAA06549@fastball.unimaster.com> Subject: DECUS: sd announcement wrong To: mbone@isi.edu Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 09:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Cc: rem-conf@es.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 539 Sorry if this is duplicate/triplicate but it's time critical.. The 'sd' ad for this morning's DECUS seminar may or may not have been correct. We are using vic/h261 for video. If you are not getting video, check the 'sd' ad and adjust if necessary. -- Dave Cherkus ----- UniMaster, Inc. ----- Contract Software Development Specialties: UNIX TCP/IP X OSF/1 AlphaAXP AIX RS/6000 Performance ISDN Email: cherkus@UniMaster.COM Tel: (603) 888-8308 Fax: (603) 888-8308 if (cpu.type == PENTIUM && cpu.step < 8) { panic("Intel Inside!"); } From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 08 10:21:44 1995 Received: from utkux1.utcc.utk.edu (actually UTKUX1.UTK.EDU) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 8 May 1995 07:21:18 -0700 Received: from utkux1 (utkux1.utk.edu) by utkux1.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.8s-UTK.UTCC) id AA18388; Mon, 8 May 1995 10:21:09 +0500 Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 10:21:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Venu Gopal Nair X-Sender: venu@utkux1 To: "Paul Murphy (508) 841-3346" Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: FYI- DECUS Sessions Multicast on the MBone In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 613 I am not seeing any session advertisement on "sd" for DECUS. Is anyone else getting it? Thanks --Venu On Sat, 6 May 1995, Paul Murphy (508) 841-3346 wrote: >A number of selected sessions at DECUS '95/Washington, D.C. are scheduled >to be multicast over the Internet utilizing the Multicast Backbone (MBone) >protocol and transmission process. > > >Featured presentations are expected to include keynote sessions provided >by: > >Enrico Pesatori, vice president and general manager of the Computer >Systems Division of Digital Equipment Corporation - Monday, May 8 >- 08:30 EDT (12:30 GMT). From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 08 12:45:21 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 8 May 1995 09:44:46 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14431(3)>; Mon, 8 May 1995 09:44:34 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <49859>; Mon, 8 May 1995 09:44:28 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: Mbone cc: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: DECUS: incorrect sd ad In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 May 95 05:30:32 PDT." <9505081230.AA01383@dec486.dc95.show.decus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 09:44:20 PDT Sender: Bill Fenner From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95May8.094428pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> In message <9505081230.AA01383@dec486.dc95.show.decus.org> you write: >It seems that the 'sd' ad did not correctly indicate that the video >is being transmitted with vic/h261. It is still running so please >try to access the session with vic/h261. You got lucky; there was a 50% chance when allocating the session that vic in nv mode wouldn't be compatible with vic in vic mode. If you are going to be using vic in its RTPv2 mode, then it's very important to make sure to specify "fmt: vic" in the sd announcement, or you may cause massive confusion. DECUS got lucky. Bill From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 08 13:32:45 1995 Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (actually cs.nps.navy.mil) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 8 May 1995 10:32:20 -0700 Received: from grus.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24726; Mon, 8 May 95 10:32:05 PDT Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 10:32:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Macedonia To: communications architecture subgroup Cc: rem-conf , mbone net , idmr group , 53 Mailing List <53listserv@seas.gwu.edu> Subject: 95-05-25 Symposium on Dynamic IP/ATM Multicasting for DIS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Event: SYMPOSIUM ON DYNAMIC IP/ATM MULTICASTING > FOR DISTRIBUTED INTERACTIVE SIMULATION > Loc: Washington, DC (Naval Research Laboratory) > Date: May 25, 1995 > > POC: Ms. Anna Hanbury (For Registration) > Phone: 202-767-2804 > E-Mail: ahanbury@itd.nrl.navy.mil > > POC: Ray Cole (For Technical Information) > Phone: 202-767-2901 > E-Mail: cole@itd.nrl.navy.mil > > POC: Duncan Miller (For Technical Information) > Phone: 617-981-7252 > E-Mail: dmiller@ll.mit.edu > -------------------------------------- > > May 25, 1995 > Naval Research Laboratory > Washington, DC > > The U.S. Department of Defense continues to increase its emphasis on > large-scale, distributed simulation. Recent policy (DOD Directive 5000.59) > calls for the establishment of a master plan for unifying DoD modeling and > simualtion efforts. Building on the evolving Distributed Interactive > Simulation Standards (IEEE 1278), simulation networks incorporating up to > 100,000 dynamic entities are being developed. Because of the scope of this > effort, simulation networks are expected to be based on dynamic > multicasting techniques utilizing a combination of robust Internet Protocol > (IP) and high speed Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM) technologies. > > The multicasting requirements for these large-scale simulations are > different from those of much of the network-layer software currently being > developed. At least 10,000 multicast groups may be needed, and hundreds of > multicast group changes per second may need to be propagated across the > network. Group join and leave latencies on the order of one second may be > required. > > This symposium provides an opportunity for the architects of the simulation > networks to meet with IP and ATM network software developers to discuss > these plans and requirements. Technical representatives from interested > computer hardware and software organizations, developers of network > switches and routers, and network software research organizations are urged > to attend. > > The meeting will be unclassified; however, all attendees must provide the > necessary information (full name, social security number, organization, and > notation indicating U. S. citizen or Green Card) in advance so that badges > will be ready upon arrival. > > *************************************************************** > **** Deadline for registration: Monday, May 22, 1995 **** > *************************************************************** > > For reservations, contact > > Ms. Anna Hanbury 202-767-2804 > > For technical information, contact > > Ray Cole 202-767-2901 > Duncan Miller 617-981-7252 > ----------------------------------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 08 16:18:14 1995 Received: from nlm.nih.gov (actually lhc.nlm.nih.gov) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 8 May 1995 13:17:42 -0700 Received: from billings.csb (billings.nlm.nih.gov) by nlm.nih.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA07258; Mon, 8 May 95 16:17:25 EDT Received: by billings.csb (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01999; Mon, 8 May 1995 16:15:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 16:15:12 -0400 From: rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.) Message-Id: <9505082015.AA01999@billings.csb> To: mbone@dec486.dc95.show.org, mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Peculiar way of setting up DECUS MBONE sessions... Dear Colleague, The manner in which the DECUS MBONE sessions have been presented via sd is most peculiar in light of current MBONE conventions. Was this tested in advance? Many people use an extension to the .sd.tcl file that automatically starts up a WWW client when a URL appears in the sd announcement. Your announcement, with <> surrounding the URL, confuses .sd.tcl, and the Web client fails to grab the intended document (the final > gets passed in as part of the URL). Furthermore, it's not at all clear why you need 8 sd announcements where one would have done just fine. No comments about the vic snafu, as that has already been commented upon in the rem-conf and mbone mailing lists. A little more advance testing and preparation would have paid off handsomely here... Cheerio, Rick Rodgers From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 08 16:44:22 1995 Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (actually cs.nps.navy.mil) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 8 May 1995 13:43:53 -0700 Received: from aquarius.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29825; Mon, 8 May 95 12:51:00 PDT Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 12:51:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Macedonia To: rem-conf Subject: 95-05-25 Symposium on Dynamic IP/ATM Multicasting for DIS (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Event: SYMPOSIUM ON DYNAMIC IP/ATM MULTICASTING > FOR DISTRIBUTED INTERACTIVE SIMULATION > Loc: Washington, DC (Naval Research Laboratory) > Date: May 25, 1995 > > POC: Ms. Anna Hanbury (For Registration) > Phone: 202-767-2804 > E-Mail: ahanbury@itd.nrl.navy.mil > > POC: Ray Cole (For Technical Information) > Phone: 202-767-2901 > E-Mail: cole@itd.nrl.navy.mil > > POC: Duncan Miller (For Technical Information) > Phone: 617-981-7252 > E-Mail: dmiller@ll.mit.edu > -------------------------------------- > > May 25, 1995 > Naval Research Laboratory > Washington, DC > > The U.S. Department of Defense continues to increase its emphasis on > large-scale, distributed simulation. Recent policy (DOD Directive 5000.59) > calls for the establishment of a master plan for unifying DoD modeling and > simualtion efforts. Building on the evolving Distributed Interactive > Simulation Standards (IEEE 1278), simulation networks incorporating up to > 100,000 dynamic entities are being developed. Because of the scope of this > effort, simulation networks are expected to be based on dynamic > multicasting techniques utilizing a combination of robust Internet Protocol > (IP) and high speed Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM) technologies. > > The multicasting requirements for these large-scale simulations are > different from those of much of the network-layer software currently being > developed. At least 10,000 multicast groups may be needed, and hundreds of > multicast group changes per second may need to be propagated across the > network. Group join and leave latencies on the order of one second may be > required. > > This symposium provides an opportunity for the architects of the simulation > networks to meet with IP and ATM network software developers to discuss > these plans and requirements. Technical representatives from interested > computer hardware and software organizations, developers of network > switches and routers, and network software research organizations are urged > to attend. > > The meeting will be unclassified; however, all attendees must provide the > necessary information (full name, social security number, organization, and > notation indicating U. S. citizen or Green Card) in advance so that badges > will be ready upon arrival. > > *************************************************************** > **** Deadline for registration: Monday, May 22, 1995 **** > *************************************************************** > > For reservations, contact > > Ms. Anna Hanbury 202-767-2804 > > For technical information, contact > > Ray Cole 202-767-2901 > Duncan Miller 617-981-7252 > ----------------------------------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 08 18:48:54 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 8 May 1995 15:48:15 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14405(6)>; Mon, 8 May 1995 15:34:12 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <49859>; Mon, 8 May 1995 15:34:02 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.) cc: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net, fenner@parc.xerox.com Subject: Re: Peculiar way of setting up DECUS MBONE sessions... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 May 95 13:15:12 PDT." <9505082015.AA01999@billings.csb> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 15:33:50 PDT Sender: Bill Fenner From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95May8.153402pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> In message <9505082015.AA01999@billings.csb> you write: >Many people use an extension to the >.sd.tcl file that automatically starts up a WWW client when a URL >appears in the sd announcement. Your announcement, with <> >surrounding the URL, confuses .sd.tcl, and the Web client fails to grab the >intended document (the final > gets passed in as part of the URL). You appear to have an old version, missing the command set url [string trim $url <>.] It's amazing how quickly a proof-of-concept becomes something that everyone expects to work =) (Note that http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/sd/ gets the angle brackets right =) Bill From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 08 19:03:33 1995 Received: from nlm.nih.gov (actually lhc.nlm.nih.gov) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 8 May 1995 16:02:50 -0700 Received: from billings.csb (billings.nlm.nih.gov) by nlm.nih.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA15999; Mon, 8 May 95 19:02:47 EDT Received: by billings.csb (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02300; Mon, 8 May 1995 19:00:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 19:00:36 -0400 From: rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.) Message-Id: <9505082300.AA02300@billings.csb> To: rodgers@nlm.nih.gov, fenner@parc.xerox.com Subject: Re: Peculiar way of setting up DECUS MBONE sessions... Cc: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Bill, Just tried the .sd.tcl mod. as mentioned in my last note -- and I find that when I try to select the audio session for Bill Hancock (DECUS) sd still fails to pass the correct URL to Mosaic, including the rightmost " after the URL. I guess one needs to add " to the list of characters to trim, but this character may require some special quoting (my tcl is rusty so I'd have to pull down my copy of Ousterhout). Cheerio, Rick > From fenner@parc.xerox.com Mon May 8 18:48 EDT 1995 > X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 > To: rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.) > Cc: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net, fenner@parc.xerox.com > Subject: Re: Peculiar way of setting up DECUS MBONE sessions... > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 15:33:50 PDT > Sender: Bill Fenner > From: Bill Fenner > > In message <9505082015.AA01999@billings.csb> you write: > >Many people use an extension to the > >.sd.tcl file that automatically starts up a WWW client when a URL > >appears in the sd announcement. Your announcement, with <> > >surrounding the URL, confuses .sd.tcl, and the Web client fails to grab the > >intended document (the final > gets passed in as part of the URL). > > You appear to have an old version, missing the command > > set url [string trim $url <>.] > > It's amazing how quickly a proof-of-concept becomes something that everyone > expects to work =) > > (Note that http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/sd/ gets the angle brackets right =) > > Bill > > From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 09 06:56:56 1995 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 9 May 1995 03:56:17 -0700 Received: from shrew.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Tue, 9 May 1995 11:54:23 +0100 From: Mark Handley Organisation: University College London, CS Dept. Phone: +44 71 380 7777 ext 3666 To: rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.) cc: mbone@dec486.dc95.show.org, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Peculiar way of setting up DECUS MBONE sessions... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 May 95 16:15:12 EDT." <9505082015.AA01999@billings.csb> Date: Tue, 09 May 95 11:54:15 +0100 Message-ID: <5797.800016855@cs.ucl.ac.uk> Sender: M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk (mbone@isi.edu deleted from cc - too much overlap with rem-conf) >The manner in which the DECUS MBONE sessions have been presented >via sd is most peculiar in light of current MBONE conventions. >Was this tested in advance? Many people use an extension to the >.sd.tcl file that automatically starts up a WWW client when a URL >appears in the sd announcement. Your announcement, with <> >surrounding the URL, confuses .sd.tcl, and the Web client fails to grab the >intended document (the final > gets passed in as part of the URL). As Bill Fenner points out, this has been fixed. Also note that (according to the relevant draft) angle brackets "<...>" are actually the recommended encapsulation for a URL in plain text. Strictly speaking, anything other than that is not recommended. Mark From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 09 12:21:02 1995 Received: from fastball.unimaster.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 9 May 1995 09:20:27 -0700 Received: (from cherkus@localhost) by fastball.unimaster.com (8.6.7/8.6.9) id MAA07621; Tue, 9 May 1995 12:16:01 -0400 From: Dave Cherkus Message-Id: <199505091616.MAA07621@fastball.unimaster.com> Subject: Re: Peculiar way of setting up DECUS MBONE sessions... To: rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.) Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Cc: mbone@dec486.dc95.show.org, mbone@ISI.EDU, rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <9505082015.AA01999@billings.csb> from "R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D." at May 8, 95 04:15:12 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2221 R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D. writes: |> |> Dear Colleague, |> |> The manner in which the DECUS MBONE sessions have been presented |> via sd is most peculiar in light of current MBONE conventions. |> Was this tested in advance? Many people use an extension to the |> .sd.tcl file that automatically starts up a WWW client when a URL |> appears in the sd announcement. Your announcement, with <> |> surrounding the URL, confuses .sd.tcl, and the Web client fails to grab the |> intended document (the final > gets passed in as part of the URL). Thanks for the feedback. I do not seem to have that version of .sd.tcl. What is its location? I was made aware of the deviation from the standard URL format, but I was afraid to change it because of a different problem I discovered in sd (at least the DEC alpha version): if you edit the entry it seems to 'forget' the video format value. You can go back and change it back later, but changing the value doesn't seem to cause the announcement to be rebroadcast. I've been told that propogation of the format field is critical. |> Furthermore, it's not at all clear why you need 8 sd announcements |> where one would have done just fine. No comments about the vic snafu, |> as that has already been commented upon in the rem-conf and mbone mailing |> lists. A little more advance testing and preparation would have paid |> off handsomely here... Our testing showed that you needed seperate sessions for audio and video because machines that only were capable of one of these medias failed to bring up sessions advertised with both types. This was unexpected, but it seemed wiser to create too many sessions than not enough. As for one announce per speaker, the decision was more based on the diverse nature of the sessions. I could remove all the announcements and recreate one that addresses all these points, but I'm concerned that disappearing sessions will cause confusion. -- Dave Cherkus ----- UniMaster, Inc. ----- Contract Software Development Specialties: UNIX TCP/IP X OSF/1 AlphaAXP AIX RS/6000 Performance ISDN Email: cherkus@UniMaster.COM Tel: (603) 888-8308 Fax: (603) 888-8308 if (cpu.type == PENTIUM && cpu.step < 8) { panic("Intel Inside!"); } From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 09 14:48:25 1995 Received: from dec486.dc95.show.decus.org by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 9 May 1995 11:47:59 -0700 Received: by dec486.dc95.show.decus.org; (5.65/1.1.8.2/08May95-0615AM) id AA03831; Tue, 9 May 1995 14:14:31 -0400 From: Mbone Message-Id: <9505091814.AA03831@dec486.dc95.show.decus.org> Subject: DECUS sessions To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 14:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1561 I'd like to go through the feedback that we are getting on the sessions so far. The next few sessions should be exciting (we have the inventors of the World Wide Web, Mosaic and Linux speaking) and we'd really like to do the best possible job. But first, we'd like to ask remote participants to please send in questions during the session, via e-mail and or irc. The local participants would really enjoy the sense of being connected to world-wide participants via the Internet. The feedback we've gotten is that the audio is fine. As for video we've heard three different classes of comments: - I was going to tune in, but then I realized I needed 'vic' and I didn't have enough time to find/install/configure it - I saw the video and it suffered from losses - I saw the video and it was fine The first two are problematic. The use of 'nv' could help (since some but not all of the loss is due to 'vic' CPU consumption). I think some options are: - Change the format of the existing to 'vic' - Send two streams of video, one with 'vic/h261', another 'nv' Since we have been blessed with fast Alphas and a T1, sending two streams is not a problem. Once it gets to our service provider, mrouters would distribute the packets to listeners based on what stream they were trying to receive. This, and our use of 128k bandwidth limits could limit the bandwidth consumed. So, I would be interested in any guidance the subscribers can provide on the viability of these options, and any additional input that you may have. Dave+Marc/Mbone. From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 09 19:03:32 1995 Received: from interramp.com (actually pop3.interramp.com) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 9 May 1995 16:02:51 -0700 Received: from Michael Schoolnik by interramp.com (8.6.10/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-pop-local) id TAA06298; Tue, 9 May 1995 19:02:46 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon TCP/Connect II 2.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9505091906.AA54158@Michael Schoolnik> Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 19:06:54 -0500 From: Michael Schoolnik To: rem-conf@es.net, videophone@es.net Subject: Info on large ISDN installs sought Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed;boundary=part_ABD56DCE005563E200000001 --part_ABD56DCE005563E200000001 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Does you know of any integrators or VARs that have done "large scale projects" with ISDN for: Telecommuting or Desktop Video Conferencing or Groupware ie: Lotus Notes, ProShare, Timbuktu, CrossWise or Remote Imaging ie: Acrobat, Digital printing (Indigo, Docutech) I am looking for projects that have 10's or 100's of nodes connected to central serving sites via ISDN. If you have done such a project, I would be interested in conducting a brief interview with you. I am studying how RBOC's and Integrators are making progress with ISDN solutions. TIA Michael Schoolnik --part_ABD56DCE005563E200000001 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Michael Schoolnik --part_ABD56DCE005563E200000001-- From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 10 02:41:48 1995 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 9 May 1995 23:41:22 -0700 Received: from xfr.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-22) id ; Tue, 9 May 1995 23:41:19 -0700 Posted-Date: Tue 9 May 95 23:41:06 PDT Received: by xfr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id ; Tue, 9 May 95 23:41:07 PDT Date: Tue 9 May 95 23:41:06 PDT From: Stephen Casner Subject: Re: DECUS sessions To: MBONE@dec486.dc95.show.decus.org, MBONE@ISI.EDU, rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: <800088066.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> In-Reply-To: <9505091814.AA03831@dec486.dc95.show.decus.org> Mail-System-Version: Sending two video streams would be technically feasible so long as there are no other concurrent sessions. For example, from the recent IETF meetings, two channels of audio+video have been transmitted. However, if another session is also sending audio+video, it would be best for you to limit your transmissions to 1 stream. Or, transmit two but with the data rate of each cut back to 64Kb/s. > Once it gets to our service provider, > mrouters would distribute the packets to listeners based on what > stream they were trying to receive. That's the theory, but because there are many mrouters in the MBone that are still running the non-pruning (2.x) release, traffic goes many places where it is not wanted/needed. We hope that with the 3.5 release of the multicast software, vendor ports will be done soon and all the nodes will be upgraded. -- Steve ------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 10 05:23:04 1995 Received: from dxmint.cern.ch by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 10 May 1995 02:22:27 -0700 Received: from dxcoms.cern.ch by dxmint.cern.ch id AA06800; Wed, 10 May 1995 11:22:19 +0200 Received: by dxcoms.cern.ch id AA07354; Wed, 10 May 1995 11:22:12 +0200 Message-Id: <9505100922.AA07354@dxcoms.cern.ch> Subject: CERN LHCC MBONE announcement To: teleconf@cearn.cern.ch, tele-ext@cearn.cern.ch, rem-conf@es.net, htc@cearn.cern.ch, hrc@cearn.cern.ch Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 11:22:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Christian Isnard - CERN/CN/CS X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23 DXCOMS1] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2241 CERN - 95/05/10 CERN plan to broadcast on MBONE the Open Session of the 17th Large Hadron Collider Committee (LHCC) ------------------------------------------- on Tuesday 16th May 1995 between 09:00 and 11:00 Geneva Time [i.e. 07:00 and 09:00 GMT] ------------------- A Playback Session will follow the same day between 17:00 and 19:00 Geneva Time [i.e. 15:00 and 17:00 GMT] ------------------- The session is advertised in sd session directory as "CERN - LHCC". The following tools will be used: vat v3.4 (audio), and nv v3.3 (video). 17th LHCC Open Session Provisional Agenda ----------------------------------------- Tuesday 16th May Please note that all the times are Geneva time (GMT+2) 09:00 - 09:15 (GMT+2): Status of the LHC project (C. Llewellyn Smith) 09:15 - 09:45 (GMT+2): Debye screening in heavy ion collisions with the ALICE detector (LHCC 95-24; J. Schukraft) 10:00 - 10:40 (GMT+2): Expression of interest for a "BEAM-DUMP" upgrade of L3 for the LHC (LHCC 95-17 and addendum LHCC 95-22; P. Fisher, J. Kirkby) Provisional Agenda of the Playback Session ------------------------------------------ Tuesday 16th May Please note that all the times are Geneva time (GMT+2) 17:00 - 17:15 (GMT+2): Status of the LHC project (C. Llewellyn Smith) 17:15 - 17:45 (GMT+2): Debye screening in heavy ion collisions with the ALICE detector (LHCC 95-24; J. Schukraft) 17:45 - 18:25 (GMT+2): Expression of interest for a "BEAM-DUMP" upgrade of L3 for the LHC (LHCC 95-17 and addendum LHCC 95-22; P. Fisher, J. Kirkby) -- Christian Isnard Email: isnard@dxcoms.cern.ch European Laboratory for Particle Physics CERN - CN/CS/EN Computers and Networks division Tel: +41 22 767 23 94 CH-1211 Geneva 23 - Switzerland Fax: +41 22 767 71 55 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 10 12:06:22 1995 Received: from ftp.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 10 May 1995 09:05:49 -0700 Received: from ftp.com by ftp.com ; Wed, 10 May 1995 11:25:25 -0400 Received: from mailserv-C.ftp.com by ftp.com ; Wed, 10 May 1995 11:25:25 -0400 Received: from chip.slingshot.ftp.com by mailserv-C.ftp.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02233; Wed, 10 May 95 11:27:24 EDT Date: Wed, 10 May 95 11:27:24 EDT Message-Id: <9505101527.AA02233@mailserv-C.ftp.com> To: pp001066@interramp.com Subject: Re: Info on large ISDN installs sought From: chip@ftp.com (Chip Sparling) Reply-To: chip@ftp.com Cc: rem-conf@es.net, videophone@es.net Sender: chip@mailserv-C.ftp.com Repository: mailserv-C.ftp.com, [message accepted at Wed May 10 11:26:51 1995] Originating-Client: slingshot.ftp.com Content-Length: 626 >Does you know of any integrators or VARs that have done >"large scale projects" with ISDN for: The consultant that did a CNN piece on ISDN and the Internet regularly hangs out on comp.dcom.isdn, sorry I don't have his name handy. Also, the ISDN homepage lists tons of info including videoconferencing and system inegrators. The webpage is at: http://alumni.caltech.edu/~dank/isdn/ Enjoy, chip -- Chip Sparling ftp Software, Inc. Internet: chip@ftp.com 2 High Street (508) 685-4000, fax: (508) 659-6104 North Andover, MA 01845 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu May 11 20:26:40 1995 Received: from hplabs.hpl.hp.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 11 May 1995 17:26:03 -0700 Received: from hplabsz.hpl.hp.com by hplabs.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1SU) id AA043288360; Thu, 11 May 1995 17:26:00 -0700 Received: by hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.15/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA193778360; Thu, 11 May 1995 17:26:00 -0700 From: Laura de Leon Message-Id: <9505111726.ZM19375@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 17:26:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.0.0 15dec93) To: baylisa@baylisa.org, rem-conf@es.net, sage-announce@usenix.org Subject: BayLISA: Pacific Bell on ISDN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 The BayLISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to systems and network administrators. The meetings are free and open to the public. BayLISA holds monthly meetings on the third Thursday of each month at 7:30 PM PST. We meet at Synopsys Building C in Mountain View, California off Highway 237 at Middlefield. This meeting will also be broadcast via MBONE. Schedule -------- May 18: Brent Freedman, ISDN Applications Engineer with Pacific Bell ISDN is becoming an important part of the telecommunications landscape, for telecommuting as well as local networks and Internet connections. Come find out more about what it is and how it works. Rad Justice will give an overview of the current Pacific Bell offerings. Brent Freedman will give a technical description of what ISDN is, how it works, and what the various configuration choices mean. June 15: Brian Pawlaski on NFS V3 July 20: Glen Kohler on Ergonomics August 17: Brent Chapman on firewalls (Schedule subject to revision) To get further information on the meeting location, you can request it >from the majordomo server on baylisa.org, you can ftp it from ftp.baylisa.org:/BayLISA/location or you can query the BayLISA mail server by cutting and pasting the following line to your shell: echo "index baylisa" | mail majordomo@baylisa.org BayLISA makes video tapes of the meetings available to members. For more information on available videos, please send email to: video@baylisa.org For any other information, please send email to: info@baylisa.org If you have any questions, please contact me or any of the info alias listed above. From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 12 08:44:53 1995 Received: from VNET.IBM.COM by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 12 May 1995 05:44:26 -0700 Received: from RCHLAND by VNET.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 6093; Fri, 12 May 95 08:44:21 EDT Reply-To: Wayne D Richardson Received: by po1 (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.7) id for rem-conf@es.net; Fri, 12 May 1995 07:42:36 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Fri, 12 May 1995 07:42:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from borg.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 May 1995 07:42:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from borg.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 May 1995 07:42:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.borg.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix41 via MS.5.6.borg.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix41; Fri, 12 May 1995 07:42:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 07:42:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Wayne D Richardson To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: subscribe rem-conf Wayne Richardson subscribe rem-conf Wayne Richardson From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 12 23:04:48 1995 Received: from ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 12 May 1995 20:04:13 -0700 Received: by ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com (5.61/1.15) id AA28000; Fri, 12 May 95 20:14:07 -0700 Received: by ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com (5.65b(em1)/2.06) id AA23624; Fri, 12 May 95 20:01:35 -0700 Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com (5.61/1.15) id AA27832; Fri, 12 May 95 20:08:57 -0700 Received: from trouble.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08548; Fri, 12 May 95 19:58:50 PDT Received: by trouble.cs.nps.navy.mil (950215.SGI.8.6.10/911001.SGI) for rem-conf%es.net@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com id TAA18772; Fri, 12 May 1995 19:58:50 -0700 From: Your VE info source Message-Id: <9505121958.ZM18770@trouble.cs.nps.navy.mil> Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 19:58:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: rem-conf%es.net@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com Subject: Latest Virtual Environments Calls for Participations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here are the latest sets of Calls for Virtual Environments: --> A faculty position in virtual environments. --> A very interesting looking Postdoc Faculty Position in VR. --> FIVE'95 Framework for Immersive Virtual Environments -- Call date 15 May 95 Please respond to the addresses in the Calls and not to this site. ****************************************************************************** The Naval Postgraduate School Dept. of Computer Science is looking for faculty candidates at all levels, in all areas. We are particularly interested in candidates in all aspects of virtual environments. We currently have no applicants. Send vita to: Ted Lewis, Chair of Department Department of Computer Science, Code CS Naval Postgraduate School Monterey, California 93943-5118 lewis@cs.nps.navy.mil ****************************************************************************** Postdoctoral or Research Faculty Position in Virtual Reality We are looking for an exceptionally able PhD (or equivalent experience) computer scientist to join our group in the development and application of virtual reality to education in the sciences. Our group has a history going back 30 years of computer animated film production and the use of virtual reality. We are building the "Virtual Explorer", a virtual reality adventure environment, a space and time vehicle to explore and manipulate the alien worlds of the quantum mechanics of chemical reactions, the molecular biology of human cells, the cosmological evolution of the universe. On our high end multiprocessor Silicon Graphics system, we are developing "blow them away" demonstrations using multiscreen stereo, spatialized sound, and haptic interfaces, but will also port to coming "commodity" level 3D graphics platforms for wider usage. We have excellent long term funding. The position could be Post-doctoral or Research Faculty level, depending upon ability and experience. Salary commensurate with ability and experience. For more information and a description of current group activities and personnel see our World Wide Web site, http://www-wilson.ucsd.edu/. To apply, please send a cv, a statement of work experience and goals, and have at least one letter of reference sent to Prof. Kent R. Wilson, Department of Chemistry 0339, University of California, San Diego, La Jolla, CA 92093-0339. Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity Employer. ****************************************************************************** FIVE'95 Framework for Immersive Virtual Environments FIRST ANNUAL CONFERENCE OF THE FIVE GROUP VENUE: Queen Mary & Westfield College, University of London. 18-19th December 1995 URL http://www.dcs.qmw.ac.uk/~mel/Five/conference.html FIVE is a European group of leading researchers in Virtual Environments, aiming to construct a coherent and distinctive paradigm for study and advancement of immersive VEs. The group is funded by the European ESPRIT programme. The work of FIVE will be presented at the conference. Papers are invited from researchers in the field contributing to the foundations of Virtual Reality. PROGRAM: * Day 1 involves presentations from the key researchers of the Working Group, including a keynote talk by a Group representative. * Day 2 is introduced by a Keynote Speaker, from outside the Group, Dr Steven Ellis of NASA Ames Research Centre, and the University of California at Berkeley. IMPORTANT DATES: Deadline for submission of papers: 15 May 1995 Papers reviewed by: 15 June 1995 Acceptance to be notified by: 30 June 1995 Accepted papers are to be published in the conference proceedings. SUBMISSION OF PAPERS: Submissions should be 6 COPIES of between 10-16 double spaced (A4 or US Letter) sides. Author's name, affiliation, contact information, and 150-200 word abstract should be included on the title page. Send to: Sylvia Wilbur Dept of Computer Science, Tel: +44.171.975 5202 Queen Mary & Westfield College, Fax: +44.181.980 6533 Mile End Road, Email: sylvia@dcs.qmw.ac.uk London E1 4NS, UK Conference Organising Committee: Mel Slater Queen Mary & Westfield College, Computer Sci. London, UK Sylvia Wilbur Queen Mary & Westfield College, Computer Sci. London, UK. Malcolm George Queen Mary & Westfield College, Basic Medical Sci, London,UK. Thomas Flaig IPA, Fraunhofer Institute, Stuttgart, Germany Daniel Thalmann EPFL, Lausanne, Switzerland Nadia Thalmann MIRALab, University of Geneva,Switzerland Hilmar Lehnart AEA, Ruhr-University Bochum, Germany Michael Bednarzyk AEA, Ruhr-University Bochum, Germany Massimo Bergamasco PERCRO, Scuola Superiore S. Anna John Green DIVISION, Bristol, UK Richard Gregory University of Bristol. Gavin Brelstaff University of Bristol. From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun May 14 13:06:53 1995 Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (actually cs.nps.navy.mil) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 14 May 1995 10:06:19 -0700 Received: from grus.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24448; Sun, 14 May 95 10:05:05 PDT Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 10:05:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Macedonia Subject: Symposium on IP/ATM Multicasting for Distributed Interactive Simulation Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: SYMPOSIUM ON DYNAMIC IP/ATM MULTICASTING FOR DISTRIBUTED INTERACTIVE SIMULATION May 25, 1995 Naval Research Laboratory Washington, DC The U.S. Department of Defense continues to increase its emphasis on large-scale, distributed simulation. Recent policy (DOD Directive 5000.59) calls for the establishment of a master plan for unifying DoD modeling and simualtion efforts. Building on the evolving Distributed Interactive Simulation Standards (IEEE 1278), simulation networks incorporating up to 100,000 dynamic entities are being developed. Because of the scope of this effort, simulation networks are expected to be based on dynamic multicasting techniques utilizing a combination of robust Internet Protocol (IP) and high speed Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM) technologies. The multicasting requirements for these large-scale simulations are different from those of much of the network-layer software currently being developed. At least 10,000 multicast groups may be needed, and hundreds of multicast group changes per second may need to be propagated across the network. Group join and leave latencies on the order of one second may be required. This symposium provides an opportunity for the architects of the simulation networks to meet with IP and ATM network software developers to discuss these plans and requirements. Technical representatives from interested computer hardware and software organizations, developers of network switches and routers, and network software research organizations are urged to attend. The meeting will be unclassified; however, all attendees must provide the necessary information (full name, social security number, organization, and notation indicating U. S. citizen or Green Card) in advance so that badges will be ready upon arrival. *************************************************************** **** Deadline for registration: Monday, May 22, 1995 **** *************************************************************** For reservations, contact Ms. Anna Hanbury 202-767-2804 For technical information, contact Ray Cole 202-767-2901 Duncan Miller 617-981-7252 -- ====================== Steve Batsell nrl batsell@itd.nrl.navy.mil ======================= -- Mike Macedonia | macedonia@cs.nps.navy.mil MAJ, USA | CS Dept, Naval Postgraduate School, | Monterey, CA 93943 | PH:(408) 656-2903 FAX:(408) 656-2814 ------------------------------------------------------------ From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 15 05:21:44 1995 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 15 May 1995 02:21:09 -0700 Received: from sol.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Mon, 15 May 1995 10:20:24 +0100 To: rem-conf@es.net cc: mbone@ISI.EDU, mbone-eu@sics.se, mice-nsc-admin@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: The Hamming multicast "Learning to Learn" Date: Mon, 15 May 95 10:20:21 +0100 From: Roy Bennett The MICE National Support Centre, England will re-multicast the course which is currently being multicast by the Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, California. Retransmission will be of NTSC video recordings provided by the Naval Postgraduate School and will be at ttl 63 for Europe only. Later we intend to archive the course for "video-on-demand" access. The first session will be multicast at 09:00 UTC, next Tuesday, May 16. The remaining sessions will be transmitted on successive Thursdays and Tuesdays at the same time. It is hoped that this time will make for better quality reception in Europe. Details of the schedule and reference to the material provided by Tracey Emswiler and Don Brutzman of the Naval Postgraduate School may be found in http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mice/seminars/ The schedule has been recorded in the MBone Session Global Agenda and currently has only one conflicting multicast. If anyone has a problem with the suggested schedule, please contact me and we will resolve it. An entry will be made in sd. Video will be transmitted using vic with the IVS option. Best wishes Roy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Roy Bennett Email: rbennett@cs.ucl.ac.uk Computer Science University College London Phone: +44 171 380 7934 Gower Street, LONDON WC1E 6BT Fax: +44 171 387 1397 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MICE Multimedia Integrated Conferencing Support Centre, England mice-nsc-england@cs.ucl.ac.uk http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mice/mice-nsc/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 15 13:18:29 1995 Received: from ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 15 May 1995 10:18:05 -0700 Received: by ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA20074; Mon, 15 May 95 10:18:02 PDT Date: Mon, 15 May 95 10:18:02 PDT From: wiltzius@ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov (David P Wiltzius) Message-Id: <9505151718.AA20074@ocfmail.ocf.llnl.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: MBone booking Cc: dhdirks@llnl.gov, wiltzius@llnl.gov Lawrence Livermore Nat'l Lab (LLNL) would like to broadcast a talk to be presented at LLNL by Dr.Neal Lane, Director, National Science Foundation. For more info see URL: http://www.llnl.gov/llnl/teleseminars.html The time is Thursday May 18th from 1530-1630PDT (2230-2320GMT). I've reserved this slot on the MBone Global agenda. We will be sending video (nv, ~64kbs), and audio (vat) with a TTL of 127. This will also be transmitted on BAGNet (higher bandwidth stuff at TTL 4). Please advise of any problems. Dave Wiltzius LLNL wiltzius@llnl.gov From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 15 19:44:43 1995 Received: from cdcnet (actually cdcnet.uniandes.edu.co) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 15 May 1995 16:44:18 -0700 Received: from ucauca.edu.co (ucauca.coldapaq.net.co) by cdcnet (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16086; Mon, 15 May 95 18:41:43 EDT Received: by ucauca.edu.co (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02112; Mon, 15 May 95 18:40:30 EDT Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 18:40:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Aplicaciones Telematicas To: bob.gilligan@eng.su.com Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: help uvat! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We are trying to establish a unicast connection from a SPARC5 with Solaris2.3 using uvat so: uvat IP_destination but the system answer: 'orion':unknown host 'orion' is the hostname where is running uvat, what can to be the problem? Is good used uvat? Please, send any help as soon as possible to my address. Gracias, =========================================================================== Javier Andrade Sarria | Investigacion Aplicaciones Telematicas Cesar Antonio Ibarguen | Calle 1AN #11-42 | Universidad del Cauca Popayan | E-mail : telapp@atenea.ucauca.edu.co Colombia , South America | | Facultad de Ingenieria Electronica | Universidad del Cauca =========================================================================== From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 16 21:22:10 1995 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 16 May 1995 18:21:43 -0700 Received: from bigpink.pa.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA05717; Tue, 16 May 95 18:16:27 -0700 Received: by bigpink.pa.dec.com; id AA30355; Tue, 16 May 1995 18:16:24 -0700 Message-Id: <9505170116.AA30355@bigpink.pa.dec.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: band@std.com Subject: Severe Tire Damage 17-May-95 Date: Tue, 16 May 95 18:16:24 -0700 From: berc@pa.dec.com X-Mts: smtp What: Severe Tire Damage Concert Date: 17-May-95 Time: 9pm - 9:30pm PDT From: The Fabulous SubForum (nee Garage) Systems Research Center Digital Equipment Corporation Palo Alto, California This is to celebrate the successful surgery performed on Russ Haines' (STD's guitar virtuoso) knee. We're going to prop him up, point him at the camera, start into a song, and see if the painkillers are still working. Next week the Wednesday mcast will be on Tuesday as a Canadian film crew comes by to see what this MBone stuff is all about. As always, remote participation is greatly appreciated and a heck of a lot more fun. Lance Berc berc@src.dec.com Camera control (maybe): http://www.std.com/std/SevereTireDamageLive.html Still image grabbing: http://chocolate.pa.dec.com/grab.html STD info: http://www.ubiq.com/std/band.html mailto:band@std.com MBone tools for Alpha workstation: http://chocolate.pa.dec.com/mbone From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 16 21:33:20 1995 Received: from fnal.fnal.gov by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 16 May 1995 14:48:26 -0700 Received: from munin.fnal.gov by FNAL.FNAL.GOV (PMDF V4.3-12 #3998) id <01HQKTB7PW1S00Y2BQ@FNAL.FNAL.GOV>; Tue, 16 May 1995 16:48:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LOCALHOST.fnal.gov by munin.fnal.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1-m) id AA18274; Tue, 16 May 95 16:46:52 CDT Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 16:46:52 -0500 From: Matt Crawford Subject: Multicast conferencing applications for NT? Sender: crawdad@munin.fnal.gov To: rem-conf@es.net Message-id: <9505162146.AA18274@munin.fnal.gov> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I feel like this must have been around the list recently, but I can't find an answer in the last few months' archives. What's the status of porting efforts (if such exist) of the familiar mbone conferencing tools to NT? What hardware is recommended for full 2-way audio and video conferencing? Are there commercial products *which interoperate* with nv, vat, wb, and so on? _________________________________________________________ Matt Crawford crawdad@fnal.gov Fermilab From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 17 05:04:53 1995 Received: from fw.hq.pacom.mil by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 17 May 1995 02:04:19 -0700 Received: by fw.hq.pacom.mil; id WAA19948; Tue, 16 May 1995 22:13:02 -1000 Received: from mailman.hq.pacom.mil(199.211.151.11) by fw.hq.pacom.mil via smap (V1.3) id sma019941; Tue May 16 22:12:49 1995 Received: (from dangwkc0@localhost) by mailman.hq.pacom.mil (8.6.10/8.6.9) id WAA00297; Tue, 16 May 1995 22:06:39 -1000 Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 22:06:39 -1000 (HST) From: "Winston K. C. Dang" Sender: "Winston K. C. Dang" Reply-To: "Winston K. C. Dang" Subject: INET 95 broadcast over the MBONE To: rem-conf@es.net cc: inet95local-l@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII The University of Hawaii intends to broadcast the INET 95 conference over the MBONE from June 28th through the 30th. We will be sending video (vic), audio (vat) and wb with a TTL of 127. Please advise of any problems. For more info see URL: http://www.isoc.org/inet95.html Winston Dang From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 17 09:28:10 1995 Received: from panix.com by osi-east.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 17 May 1995 06:27:38 -0700 Received: (from kenf@localhost) by panix.com (8.6.12/8.6.10+PanixU1.0) id JAA17494; Wed, 17 May 1995 09:26:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 09:26:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Feingold To: rem-conf@es.net cc: mark@arc.org Subject: Interactive Media Festival Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As previously reserved on the cilea.it Mbone Agenda List: >From June 4th through 6th, the Interactive Media Festival will be presenting the "Arc Gallery" in the Variety Arts Center in Los Angeles. for further info: http://www.arc.org As part of this gallery, my project "where i can see my house from here so we are" will utilize the wonderful Mbone to remotely control three telerobots. Each robot has video for vision and microphones for hearing, and the speech of the remote-controller is returned to the robot for its speech 'abilities'. All four sites will be in the Arc Gallery, and on a Internet/Mbone connection provided by PacBell and CerfNet. The next stage of the project will be to have the remote sites actually BE remote, and I would like to take some time during these sessions to test my remote-control software over a fairly high ttl, with cooperation >from some folks who are connected via Netcom's mrouter (mbone-west.noc.netcom.net). During this time, we would like to broadcast the "teleconference" (i.e., the video/audio output from the 3 robots) over the Mbone. This will consist of 3 h261 @128kbs vic and 3 gsm encoded vat streams. As the desire is for the broadcast to reach those who cannot attend the Festival, we would like to send as widely as possible, and I seek advice of this group on an appropriate ttl. Realizing that 3 streams could easily saturate the Mbone if the ttl is too high, and not wanting to be an Mbone abuser, I will comply with the wishes of this group. Also, Carl Malamud will evidently be doing an Mbone demo as part of his presentation for the (afilliated) Digital World conference, though I have seen no formal notice of this apart from the Digital World publicity in print. I plan to break my transmissions during his lecture so as not to hog bandwidth. Ken Feingold From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 17 10:04:17 1995 Received: from kentfm.wksu.kent.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 17 May 1995 07:03:50 -0700 Received: from netware.wksu.kent.edu by kentfm.wksu.kent.edu (8.6.10/wksu.95.02.23) id JAA16812; Wed, 17 May 1995 09:03:54 -0400 Received: from WKSU/SpoolDir by netware.wksu.kent.edu (Mercury 1.20); 17 May 95 10:03:08 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by WKSU (Mercury 1.20); 17 May 95 10:03:07 -0500 From: Chuck Poulton Organization: WKSU Radio / Kent State University To: rem-conf@es.net, CUSM-Events@baby.indstate.edu Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 10:03:02 EST -0500 Subject: "Giving Consumers a Choice: The New World of Telecommunications CC: POULTON@wksu.kent.edu X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Chuck Poulton" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <171AF9F59BE@netware.wksu.kent.edu> Jacqueline F. Woods, President and Chief Executive Officer, Ameritech Ohio, will present "Giving Consumers a Choice: The New World of Telecommunications" this Thursday, May 18th, 12:30 pm EDT (16:30 GMT) at the monthly meeting of the Akron Roundtable in Akron, Ohio. The audio from this talk will be carried live via the MBONE and CU-SeeMe. CU-SeeMe users can connect via our reflector at 131.123.89.8 (mozart.wksu.kent.edu). The MBONE session will be announced via sd. Questions for the speaker can be mailed to roundtable@wksu.kent.edu, and further information can be found at http://www.wksu.kent.edu/rt.html . A RealAudio version of the speech will also be available at the above URL soon after the event has concluded. Feedback on audio quality to the above e-mail address is always appreciated. From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 17 10:57:41 1995 Received: from achilles.ctd.anl.gov by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 17 May 1995 07:57:11 -0700 Received: from achilles.ctd.anl.gov (b32357@localhost) by achilles.ctd.anl.gov (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA29713; Wed, 17 May 1995 09:57:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199505171457.JAA29713@achilles.ctd.anl.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: achilles.ctd.anl.gov: b32357 owned process doing -bs To: rem-conf@es.net cc: b32357@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Subject: MBONE transmission from Monterey Bay Aquarium Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 09:57:01 -0500 From: Linda Winkler On May 18, 1995 at 11:00-11:45am EST the IWAY project will be transmitting video over ATM to the Dept of Commerce auditorium for an open IITF meeting. Simultaneously, we will feed the Monterey video to the MBONE via the Naval Post Graduate School in Monterey. Linda Winkler IWAY construction worker From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 17 18:48:22 1995 Received: from nrnsinc.on.ca (actually rads.dnd.ca) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 17 May 1995 15:47:51 -0700 Received: from nrnsinc.on.ca by nrnsinc.on.ca id <07809-0@nrnsinc.on.ca>; Wed, 17 May 1995 18:47:41 -0400 Subject: Files produced from WB lzps program To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 18:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Cc: spagnolo (Joe Spagnolo)@nrnsinc.on.ca Reply-to: spagnolo@nrnsinc.on.ca Organization: NRNS Incorporated, Tel:613-599-7860, Fax:613-599-7739 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 280 From: Joe Spagnolo Sender: spagnolo@nrnsinc.on.ca Hello, The lzps program that comes with Whiteboard produces output suitable for postscript level 2 interpreters. What can I use to re-create the original postscript file so that I can print it on my printer which only interprets level 1 postscript? Thanks. -- Joe Spagnolo From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu May 18 11:33:58 1995 Received: from photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 18 May 1995 08:33:32 -0700 Received: by photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (8.6.10/4.940426) id LAA27604; Thu, 18 May 1995 11:33:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 11:33:21 -0400 From: Harpal Chohan Message-Id: <199505181533.LAA27604@photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Putting Dan Farmer's talk at OSU on 5/24/95 on the MBone... Dan Farmer (author of the much hyped "Satan"), will be giving a talk here at The Ohio State University on wednesday 5/24/95 at 4 - 5:30 PM US/EST. We are planning to multicast it to the Mbone using "nv" and "vat", so anyone interested can watch. Does this conflict with anyone's scheduled plans, or are there any objections to this? -h --- Harpal Chohan: ATS, The Ohio State University From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu May 18 14:08:37 1995 Received: from dfw.net by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 18 May 1995 11:07:51 -0700 Received: by dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25204; Thu, 18 May 95 13:07:02 CDT Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 13:06:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Aleph One To: Harpal Chohan Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Putting Dan Farmer's talk at OSU on 5/24/95 on the MBone... In-Reply-To: <199505181533.LAA27604@photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is anyone gonna tape this event? Would like to be able to see it at a latter date. Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net http://underground.org/ On Thu, 18 May 1995, Harpal Chohan wrote: > > Dan Farmer (author of the much hyped "Satan"), will be giving a > talk here at The Ohio State University on wednesday 5/24/95 at > 4 - 5:30 PM US/EST. We are planning to multicast it to the Mbone > using "nv" and "vat", so anyone interested can watch. > > Does this conflict with anyone's scheduled plans, or are there any > objections to this? > > -h > --- > Harpal Chohan: ATS, The Ohio State University > From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 19 02:41:42 1995 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 18 May 1995 23:41:14 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA02704 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 18 May 1995 23:41:11 -0700 Received: from mango.synopsys.com (mango-backbone.synopsys.com [146.225.64.212]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA10600 for ; Thu, 18 May 1995 23:41:10 -0700 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by mango.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA00299 for rem-conf@es.net; Thu, 18 May 1995 23:41:08 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 23:41:08 -0700 From: Arnold de Leon Message-Id: <199505190641.XAA00299@mango.synopsys.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: BayLISA meeting lost workstation Our workstation died during the middle of the meeting. Sorry about that folks. arnold -- Arnold de Leon Synopsys Inc. arnold@synopsys.com 700 E. Middlefield Road +1 415 694 4183 Mtn. View, CA 94043-4033 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 19 11:12:42 1995 Received: from bagate (actually bagout.Bell-Atl.Com) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 19 May 1995 08:12:12 -0700 Received: by bagate.BELL-ATL.COM (O) id ; Fri, 19 May 95 11:12 EDT Received: by bagate.BELL-ATL.COM (I1) id ; Fri, 19 May 95 11:11 EDT Received: by is001685.bell-atl.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA11836; Fri, 19 May 1995 11:10:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 11:10:15 -0400 From: bf3fv86@LOCAL.bell-atl.com (Murthy) Message-Id: <9505191510.AA11836@is001685.bell-atl.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: subscribe Content-Length: 10 subscribe From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 19 12:46:36 1995 Received: from jerry.inria.fr by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 19 May 1995 09:46:07 -0700 Received: by jerry.inria.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA06918; Fri, 19 May 1995 18:45:47 +0200 Message-Id: <199505191645.SAA06918@jerry.inria.fr> To: rem-conf@es.net, mbone@isi.edu Subject: ivs v3.5 available for anonymous ftp Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 18:45:46 +0200 From: Thierry Turletti A new version of the INRIA Videoconferencing System is available by anonymous ftp from zenon.inria.fr:rodeo/ivs/last_version. Attached is the list of changes, you can also consult the ivs home page which contains updated information of ivs: Thierry Turletti List of changes: ---------------- IVS version 3.5 (95/5/19) * This version is compatible with version 3.4. It still uses the RTPv1 version and the old version of the ``Packetization of H.261 video streams'' draft (Dec. 10th 1993). The new version of IVS under RTPv2 which implements the new packetization scheme is a bit delayed (expected by end of June). * Added support for the VigraPix board on SUN platforms. Information on this performant and cheap board is available on the following Web page: . * Added support for the ScreenMachine II board on Linux platforms. Support done by Frank Mueller * Added the -ni option to select a specific network interface rather than the default interface. (for platforms with several network interfaces). * Fixed several bugs. Main bugs are listed below - To limit packet loss at the receiving side, a connect() to the video sender has been added. In this way, all packets by video decoder processes are useful. - On SGI platforms, ivs crashed when there is no board available. Added the video input port selection in the Indy platform. - On SGI platforms, ivs_replay did not initialize the audio device. - The XShm functions were never used. - Removed a bug in the quantization function. - Sometimes the audio receiver slowed down interactivity of the user interface. From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 19 17:38:52 1995 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 19 May 1995 14:38:26 -0700 Received: from newsbf02.news.aol.com by mail02.mail.aol.com with SMTP (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA114929504; Fri, 19 May 1995 17:38:24 -0400 Received: by newsbf02.news.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA26695; Fri, 19 May 1995 17:38:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 17:38:24 -0400 From: axtell805@aol.com Posted-Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 17:38:24 -0400 Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 17:38:24 -0400 Message-Id: <9505192138.AA26695@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: axtell805@aol.com (Axtell805) To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: FW: NT-compatible capture and audio board X-Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) References: <9505041907.AA22125@viipuri.nersc.gov> In-Reply-To: <9505041907.AA22125@viipuri.nersc.gov> I'd like to get in on this search for the best capture board, I have my eye on the DPS Perception it's supposed to be incredible but not shipping until next week or so. It requires it's own hard drive so it does not have to pass over the PCI during playback for dumping to tape, thus much stronger signal without artifacts and dropped frames. What are you looking at? Steve Axtell Axtell805@AOL.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 19 21:39:31 1995 Received: from venera.isi.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 19 May 1995 18:38:58 -0700 Received: from xfr.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-22) id ; Fri, 19 May 1995 18:37:30 -0700 Posted-Date: Fri 19 May 95 18:37:17 PDT Received: by xfr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id ; Fri, 19 May 95 18:37:18 PDT Date: Fri 19 May 95 18:37:17 PDT From: Stephen Casner Subject: Re: Interactive Media Festival To: kenf@panix.com, rem-conf@es.net Cc: MARK@arc.org Message-Id: <800933837.0.CASNER@XFR.ISI.EDU> In-Reply-To: Mail-System-Version: > ... I would like to take some time during these sessions to > test my remote-control software over a fairly high ttl, with cooperation > from some folks who are connected via Netcom's mrouter > (mbone-west.noc.netcom.net). If the remote-control software sends only a small number of packets, this should not be a problem. > During this time, we would like to broadcast the "teleconference" (i.e., > the video/audio output from the 3 robots) over the Mbone. This will > consist of 3 h261 @128kbs vic and 3 gsm encoded vat streams. While some of the lines that carry MBone tunnels could handle this rate easily, there are performance limits in some of the nodes that have high fanout. The guidelines established from measurements made a while back were a maximum of 500 Kb/s and 250 packets/second (both limits matter). The GSM packet rate is 12.5/sec, and the video packet rate can be calculated from the maximum packet size setting. > As the desire is for the broadcast to reach those who cannot attend the > Festival, we would like to send as widely as possible, and I seek advice > of this group on an appropriate ttl. Translating from TTL guidelines in the MBone FAQ, which were devised for two channels of audio and video being transmitted from an IETF meeting, I would suggest: TTL --- 1st channel of GSM audio 255 2nd channel of GSM audio 223 3rd channel of GSM audio 191 1st channel of video 159 2nd channel of video 127 3rd channel of video 95 TTL 95 will still cover most of the MBone, since the nominal threshold for separation between organizations is 64, and I believe most of the high-speed international links are at that threshold. However, this saves the lower-speed links that use a higher TTL from being overloaded. > Realizing that 3 streams could > easily saturate the Mbone if the ttl is too high, and not wanting to be > an Mbone abuser, I will comply with the wishes of this group. Three streams could saturate (portions of) the MBone even if the TTL were not all that high, like 64 or 96, depending upon the tunnel thresholds near the source. The only TTL level at which the MBone community at large does not care what you send is a TTL that keeps the traffic within your local organization (i.e., below the threshold of the tunnel heading out from your organization). -- Steve ------- From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat May 20 14:49:19 1995 Received: from sputnik.sirius.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sat, 20 May 1995 11:48:48 -0700 Received: from SIRIUS.COM (terra.sirius.com [140.174.229.13]) by sputnik.sirius.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA20117 for ; Sat, 20 May 1995 18:55:58 GMT From: al@ina.com Received: from slip227.sirius.com by SIRIUS.COM (NX5.67e/NX3.16Mp) id AA25509; Sat, 20 May 95 11:48:03 -0700 X-Sender: i_access@sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 11:48:58 -0800 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Info on Australia Hello, Is anyone aware of the MBONE connections to Australia? Any info greatly appreciated. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Alfredo Lusa internet access http://www.ina.com:8800/ From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun May 21 06:45:09 1995 Received: from jarrah.itd.adelaide.edu.au by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 21 May 1995 01:12:50 -0700 Received: by jarrah.itd.adelaide.edu.au with SMTP (5.61+IDA+MU+NF/UA-5.28) id AA21278; Sun, 21 May 1995 17:42:41 +0930 Message-Id: <9505210812.AA21278@jarrah.itd.adelaide.edu.au> To: al@ina.com Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Info on Australia In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 20 May 1995 11:48:58 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 17:42:40 +0930 From: Mark Prior Is anyone aware of the MBONE connections to Australia? Any info greatly appreciated. What do you want to know? Australia is one of the oldest international participants on the Mbone. Mark. From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun May 21 20:18:17 1995 Received: from blob.best.net by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sun, 21 May 1995 17:17:48 -0700 Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by blob.best.net (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA11157; Sun, 21 May 1995 17:09:54 -0700 Received: from yoyodyne.graham.com (johngg.vip.best.com [204.156.141.57]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA00228; Sun, 21 May 1995 17:10:25 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 17:10:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199505220010.RAA00228@shell1.best.com> X-Sender: johngg@shell.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rem-conf@es.net From: johng@graham.com (John Graham) Subject: 1995 NII Awards THE NII AWARDS July 12 19:00 EDT(23:00 GMT) to 22:00 EDT(July 13 02:00 GMT) We are planing on 2 video channels audio+video "format to be announced later." The NII Awards is a unique collaboration of private and public sector leaders to recognize outstanding uses and applications of the National Information Infrastructure. Awards will be given in six categories: arts & entertainment, business, community, education, government and health. The Awards are part of a public education program to build awareness and stimulate new applications and broader use of the information highway. Some highlights of the Awards: - more than 70 sponsors ranging from AT&T, IBM, Intel to the National Education Association, American Medical Association, Academy of Television Arts and Sciences, National League of Cities and the Clinton Administration. - endorsed by Vice President Gore - more than 550 high-quality entries, ranging from the White House to the Rolling Stones. - high calibre Preliminary judges including press (Time, NewsWeek, BusinessWeek, LA Times, Network World), government officials and leading users and analysts. - high calibre Final Judges including Stewart Brand, Mitch Kapor, Esther Dyson, Bob Metcalfe, Nicholas Negroponte, John Young, C. Everett Koop, Regis McKenna and others. AWARDS CEREMONY The Awards Ceremony is a gala event scheduled for July 12 in Washington, DC. It will be the focal point of the Awards program. The objective is to acknowledge the Award winners and sponsors and impactfully deliver the key messages of the Awards to the media, market influencers and policymakers. Speakers will include: - Dick Cavett, Master of Ceremonies - Dr. C. Everett Koop, fomer US Surgeon General - Robert Allen, Chairman, AT&T - Rich Frank, Pres., Academy of Television Arts & Sciences - Regis McKenna, President of RMI Other invited speakers include: - Vice President Gore - Secretary of Commerce Ron Brown - Andrew Young, former UN Ambassador More Info to follow ! John Graham Graham Technology Solutions WWW http://www.graham.com E-Mail: johng@graham.com Phone:(408)395-1751 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 22 05:09:58 1995 Received: from swan.cl.cam.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 22 May 1995 02:09:25 -0700 Received: from bescot.cl.cam.ac.uk (user pb (rfc931)) by swan.cl.cam.ac.uk with SMTP (PP-6.5) to cl; Mon, 22 May 1995 10:08:58 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: rem-conf@es.net cc: Piete.Brooks@cl.cam.ac.uk Subject: Mbone transmission 95/05/23 15:15-16:15 UTC (cl.cam.ac.uk Security) X-uri: X-face: &@N3QE9h|>f`igFCkZ'a1`z=nNLXb}k>H(79G"V?@!&*yn)uhPBctF1vc}LD'{OA%$bsX+l [wN,I^G8kKj2NFxQrr@1C4QBC]hq5-%ZkV,^Zl/qE<0`zCQ1nM+]-N<^WG[H)]?d)A:L9AF gOU[BjbaY)uBAMz}h!fm^O0# Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:08:49 +0100 From: Piete Brooks Message-ID: <"swan.cl.cam.:031040:950522090915"@cl.cam.ac.uk> A single "low key" MBone seminar this week (other only available over ATM). If you are not in the UK and wish to listen then please contact pb@cl.cam.ac.uk giving your nearest mrouted & whether you want a video as well as an audio feed *** *** *** *** *** University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory SECURITY SEMINAR SPEAKER: Bob Morris - University of Cambridge and NSA DATE: Tuesday 23rd May at 4.15pm BST (15:15 UTC) PLACE: Room TP4, Computer Laboratory TITLE: FACTORIZATION FOR COMPUTER SCIENTISTS Thesis I: During the past few decades, there has been an immense amount of research on the factorization of large integers. The size of the largest numbers that can be readily and rapidly factored into primes has increased >from about twenty or thirty digits a few decades ago, to perhaps one hundred digits nowadays. Thesis II: The amount of innovation in the theory and practice of factorization in the past century or so has been disappointingly small. The result is that a competent mathematician of the mid 19th century would perceive modern factorization methods as merely minor modifications to the methods known in his own day. Yet these "minor modifications" are themselves of considerable interest. Modern research papers in this subject are remarkably difficult to read and understand. The amount of space and time spent on deriving detailed asymptotic estimates of space and running time interfere greatly with understanding the underlying methods. I propose to discuss factorization methods, both old and new, and in a way that will be accessible to an audience that understands just a tiny amount of number theory. *** *** *** *** *** This seminar will be multicast (audio and video) on the mbone as part of our multimedia test programme. Further information is available at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Seminars From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 22 20:32:10 1995 Received: from inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 22 May 1995 17:31:37 -0700 Received: from bigpink.pa.dec.com by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA19292; Mon, 22 May 95 17:27:38 -0700 Received: by bigpink.pa.dec.com; id AA10979; Mon, 22 May 1995 17:27:37 -0700 Message-Id: <9505230027.AA10979@bigpink.pa.dec.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: band@std.com Subject: Severe Tire Damage 23-May-95 Date: Mon, 22 May 95 17:27:37 -0700 From: berc@pa.dec.com X-Mts: smtp [ Any Canucks on the MBone - more exciting than Hockey Night Canada! ] What: Severe Tire Damage Concert Date: 23-May-95 Time: 9pm - 9:30pm PDT From: The Fabulous SubForum (nee Garage) Systems Research Center Digital Equipment Corporation Palo Alto, California Continuing STD's assault on international media, the Canadian Discovery Channel will be by tomorrow night to film STD in action. This could be your big chance to get your name on TV - I'll make sure the VAT window isn't obscured when they want a screen shot. It doesn't look good for getting the remote camera working, but we'll see... And don't forget - Wednesday night we have a special guest band, The Lizards, complete with More Famous Computer Scientisits who rock. Lance Berc berc@src.dec.com Still image grabbing: http://chocolate.research.digital.com/grab.html STD info: http://www.ubiq.com/std/band.html http://www.std.com/homepages/band mailto:band@std.com MBone tools for Alpha workstation: http://chocolate.research.digital.com/mbone From REM-CONF-request@es.net Tue May 23 14:18:49 1995 Received: from sam.neosoft.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 23 May 1995 11:18:24 -0700 Received: from yuri-nt ([199.3.234.78]) by sam.neosoft.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA21013 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 13:18:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 13:18:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199505231818.NAA21013@sam.neosoft.com> X-Sender: channels@popmail.neosoft.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: REM-CONF@ES.NET From: spd@channels.com (Sean Doherty) Subject: sub rem-conf Sean Doherty -------------------------- Sean Doherty TEAM Software Houston, Texas USA email: spd@channels.com Tel:713-784-4480 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 23 22:53:52 1995 Received: from beijing2.cernet.edu.cn (actually cernet.edu.cn) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 23 May 1995 19:53:26 -0700 Received: by beijing2.cernet.edu.cn (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01128; Wed, 24 May 95 10:54:41 CDT Date: Wed, 24 May 95 10:54:41 CDT From: cheng@cernet.edu.cn (Yan Cheng) Message-Id: <9505240154.AA01128@beijing2.cernet.edu.cn> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: some thing about RealAudio Hi, All Are there some one who can give me a help on RealAudio? I have used raplayer and studiob1 for a time and I want to know details about it. Who can give me some informaiton about it except all have been in www.realaudio.com. And I also have these questions: 1. What the coding method used in RA is? And I find the ratio of it is about 8 times. 2. Which network protocol is/are used in RA, TCP, UDP, NVP, or other? 3. What the format of .ram file is? What do `file`, `pnm` mean? 4. How to configure the playlist item in raplayer? Sincerely, Yan Cheng From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 24 08:42:10 1995 Received: from icil64.cilea.it by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 24 May 1995 05:41:33 -0700 Received: from uff29c.cilea.it by ICIL64.CILEA.IT (PMDF V4.2-14 #2920) id <01HQVV5H5W8W9S91QZ@ICIL64.CILEA.IT>; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:39:44 MET-DST Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 14:39:44 MET-DST Date-warning: Date header was inserted by ICIL64.CILEA.IT From: calegari@CILEA.IT (Antonio Calegari) Subject: please unsubscribe To: rem-conf@es.net Message-id: <01HQVV5H7I429S91QZ@ICIL64.CILEA.IT> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sender: calegari@icil64 please unsubscribe me, thank you Antonio Calegari CILEA From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 24 11:09:05 1995 Received: from enterprise.pulver.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 24 May 1995 08:08:38 -0700 Received: by enterprise.pulver.com (8.6.9/92042102) id LAA03579; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:14:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 11:13:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Pulver To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: NetWatch Web Magazine (http://www.pulver.com/netwatch) In-Reply-To: <199505220010.RAA00228@shell1.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings: There is a new bi-weekly web magzine and associated mailing list called NetWatch (http://www.pulver.com/netwatch) which covers emerging Internet technologies. I am hopeful NetWatch will be of interest to you. I was inspired to publish NetWatch after reading many of the annoucements >from this list and observing various technology trends going on the Internet during the past year. Jeff Pulver NetWatch Publisher http://www.pulver.com/jeff.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 24 12:17:27 1995 Received: from lanshark.sv.interop.net by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 24 May 1995 09:16:50 -0700 Received: (from ericd@localhost) by lanshark.sv.interop.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA03581; Wed, 24 May 1995 09:17:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 09:17:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Davis To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: vat play Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Looking for a utility, and documentation, to play a sun au file into a vat stream. Any such beast, with doc, exist? Thanks Eric Davis Manager, Worldwide Networking SOFTBANK Expos/Interop ericd@interop.net From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 24 12:47:07 1995 Received: from cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 24 May 1995 09:46:40 -0700 Received: from scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk (jaw@scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.200.48]) by cancer.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA14882; Wed, 24 May 1995 17:46:30 +0100 Received: (jaw@localhost) by scorpio.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA01084; Wed, 24 May 1995 17:45:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 17:45:32 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Wood Reply-To: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk To: Eric Davis cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: vat play In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Department: "Unix Systems Support, Computing Services" X-Organisation: "The University of Edinburgh" X-URL: "http://ugwww.ucs.ed.ac.uk/~jaw/" X-Phone: +44 31 650 5003 X-Fax: +44 31 650 6552 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 24 May 1995, Eric Davis wrote: > Looking for a utility, and documentation, to play a sun au file into a vat > stream. Any such beast, with doc, exist? > > Thanks Try using nevot: ftp://ftp.ucs.ed.ac.uk/pub/videoconference/nevot/*. ============================================================================= Graeme Wood Email: Graeme.Wood@ucs.ed.ac.uk Unix Systems Support Phone: +44 131 650 5003 The University of Edinburgh Fax: +44 131 650 6552 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scottish MICE National Support Centre Email: mice-nsc-scotland@ed.ac.uk for your multimedia conferencing support WWW: http://mice.ed.ac.uk/mice/ ============================================================================= From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 24 16:44:10 1995 Received: from wpnext.wpine.com (actually wpine.com) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 24 May 1995 13:43:47 -0700 Received: from [192.80.72.16] by wpnext.wpine.com (8.6.9/WM-941104.2) id QAA20078; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:43:42 -0400 X-Sender: bill@wpnext Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 16:45:56 -0800 To: rem-conf@es.net From: bryan@wpine.com (Bill Ryan) Subject: SUBSCRIBE Please subscribe me to this remote conferencing mailing list. If this message has gone out to the list, I apologize now: if you decide to flame me, at leats include the info. on how to subscribe to this list :) Thanks, Bill ______________________________________________________________________ Bill Ryan "Keeping You Connected" Principal Software Engineer "CU-SeeMe Master Licensee" White Pine Software, Inc. http://www.wpine.com 40 Simon Street PH: 603-886-9050 Nashua, NH 03060 FAX: 603-886-9051 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 24 17:38:34 1995 Received: from inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 24 May 1995 14:37:47 -0700 Received: from bigpink.pa.dec.com by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA27230; Wed, 24 May 95 14:34:45 -0700 Received: by bigpink.pa.dec.com; id AA22365; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:34:45 -0700 Message-Id: <9505242134.AA22365@bigpink.pa.dec.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Lizards in concert Date: Wed, 24 May 95 14:34:45 -0700 From: berc@pa.dec.com X-Mts: smtp What: The Lizards in concert Date: 24-May-95 Time: 9pm - 9:30pm PDT From: The Fabulous SubForum (nee Garage) Systems Research Center Digital Equipment Corporation Palo Alto, California Instead of the usual Wendesday night performance by Severe Tire Damage, this week, we present a guest band, also composed of Silicon Valley illuminati: The Lizards (formerly known as The Wizards). It's dance-em-up rock and roll, with a bit more of a bluesy edge than STD. As always, remote participation is greatly appreciated and a heck of a lot more fun. Lance Berc berc@src.dec.com Camera control (maybe): http://www.std.com/std/SevereTireDamageLive.html Still image grabbing: http://chocolate.pa.dec.com/grab.html Lizards info: mailto:lizards@palmtree.kaleida.com MBone tools for Alpha workstation: http://chocolate.pa.dec.com/mbone From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 24 17:53:20 1995 Received: from photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 24 May 1995 14:52:51 -0700 Received: by photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (8.6.10/4.940426) id RAA25702; Wed, 24 May 1995 17:52:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 17:52:47 -0400 From: Harpal Chohan Message-Id: <199505242152.RAA25702@photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Dan Farmer's talk at Ohio State I would like to apologize for the delayed/shortened broadcast of Dan Farmer's talk here today. The venue had moved to a different building to accomodate the larger audience, and we had some network problems there which took longer to resolve than the 25 minutes setup time we had after the room became available. We did manage to get on the air for the last 25 minutes or so. Any feedback on the reception (audio/video quality) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -h From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 24 18:44:18 1995 Received: from prom.engin.umich.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 24 May 1995 15:43:26 -0700 Received: (dschluss@localhost) by prom.engin.umich.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id SAA18289; Wed, 24 May 1995 18:43:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 18:41:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "david a. schlussel" Sender: "david a. schlussel" Reply-To: "david a. schlussel" Subject: reflect.conf To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII my reflector has been giving me this error recvfrom error on msg_sock : Socket operation on non-socket: FATAL ERROR: EXITING when i try to run it. I didn't see anything in any of the faqs. anyone else run into this problem? -david From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu May 25 03:36:35 1995 Received: from neptune.anu.edu.au by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 25 May 1995 00:35:49 -0700 Received: from neptune (localhost) by neptune.anu.edu.au with SMTP id AA17066 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 17:29:12 +1000 Message-Id: <199505250729.AA17066@neptune.anu.edu.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: "david a. schlussel" Cc: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: reflect.conf In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 24 May 1995 18:41:23 -0400." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 17:29:11 +1000 From: "John D. Barlow" > my reflector has been giving me this error > > recvfrom error on msg_sock : Socket operation on non-socket: > FATAL ERROR: EXITING Me too. Then I noticed that with a different reflect.conf file it didn't happen (note: only happened to me when I tried to put the "reflect" into background). Basically it won't handle being run in background with multicast "NV-MC-IN" and "NV-MC-OUT" being defined (and you can't define them differently) - same with "VAT-MC-IN" and "VAT-MC-OUT". For the moment I am using unicast nv & vat, and it runs beautifully in the background. Another problem with the reflector code is that in the reflect.conf a semicolon (;) must be followed by some text, otherwise the program fails to parse the next line ... A question - has anybody got the "ADMIT" keyword to work such that _only_ the given IP addresses can see/hear things from the reflector ? I am trying to set up a reflector with security restrictions so that only certain Mac and Sun clients can see/hear each other. Have fun, thanks for any feedback, John Barlow (PS: thanks to the reflector code author(s) for all the work they have done to get it where is is today !) From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu May 25 07:31:37 1995 Received: from hitwide.hitachi.co.jp by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 25 May 1995 04:31:02 -0700 Received: from hperlgw2.perl.hitachi.co.jp ([133.144.119.2]) by hitwide.hitachi.co.jp (8.6.11+2.4W/3.3W9-htcgw) with SMTP id UAA05941 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 20:30:54 +0900 Received: from [133.144.107.93] by hperlgw2.perl.hitachi.co.jp (5.67+1.6W/2.7W-PERL) id AA21895; Thu, 25 May 95 20:30:45 JST Message-Id: <9505251130.AA21895@hperlgw2.perl.hitachi.co.jp> Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 20:30:37 +0900 To: rem-conf@es.net From: ichige@perl.hitachi.co.jp (Kenji Ichige) X-Mailer: Eudora-J(1.3.3J7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp help From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu May 25 07:46:41 1995 Received: from neptune.anu.edu.au by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 25 May 1995 04:46:07 -0700 Received: from neptune (localhost) by neptune.anu.edu.au with SMTP id AA17681 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 21:43:52 +1000 Message-Id: <199505251143.AA17681@neptune.anu.edu.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: mbone@ISI.EDU, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: reflect.conf (use of ADMIT) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 25 May 1995 17:29:11 +1000." <199505250729.AA17066@neptune.anu.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 21:43:51 +1000 From: "John D. Barlow" I wrote in my previous message: > A question - has anybody got the "ADMIT" keyword to work such that > _only_ the given IP addresses can see/hear things from the reflector ? As a friend would say "use the force, read the source". It turns out that "ADMIT" has an implicit deny for all hosts not mentioned _but_ this is only applied to CUSeeMe input. I want it applied to all attempts to connect to the reflector (including unicast NV/VAT, and maybe even multicast NV/VAT). I added some code to "reflect.c" (around about line 160): case NV_UCAST: case NV_MCAST: if (restrict_cnt != 0) { goodmbone=0; for (cnt=0; cnt Subject: subscribe To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 12:42:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 193 subscribe -- Michael Benson Computer science graduate student at George Mason University WWW: http://cne.gmu.edu/~mbenson Email: mbenson@gmu.edu Whois: whois -h gmu.edu mbenson From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu May 25 11:11:38 1995 Received: from snowy.QAL.Berkeley.EDU by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 25 May 1995 08:11:01 -0700 Received: from demog.qal.berkeley.edu (demog.QAL.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.163.160]) by snowy.QAL.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA08643 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 08:15:03 -0700 Received: by demog.qal.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1) id IAA13161; Thu, 25 May 1995 08:13:44 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 08:13:43 -0700 (PDT) From: David Winet To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: How to subscribe please? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Title above says it all. Thanks David Winet From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu May 25 11:49:58 1995 Received: from haas.berkeley.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Thu, 25 May 1995 08:49:33 -0700 Received: from haas-s328a002.Haas.Berkeley.EDU by haas.berkeley.edu (5.65/Haas-1.34) id AA00843; Thu, 25 May 1995 08:49:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 08:49:30 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rem-conf@es.net From: mikew@haas.berkeley.edu (Mike Wilson) Subject: Subscribe Hello, I would like to subscribe to this list....forward instructions on "How to" if you would be so kind... Mike From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 26 03:57:04 1995 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 26 May 1995 00:56:28 -0700 Received: from waffle.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Fri, 26 May 1995 08:55:43 +0100 To: David Winet , mikew@haas.berkeley.edu cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: How to subscribe please? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 May 95 08:13:43 PDT." Date: Fri, 26 May 95 08:55:38 +0100 Message-ID: <821.801474938@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Jon Crowcroft err - you want to know about multimedia conferencing, but you come >from a site that doesn't document how to subscribe to mail lists properly....? i don't think that is so promising:-) try sending subscription messages to list-request@site.foo.bar it avoids bothering all the "content" users with "control" messages.... doesn't berkeley document mail systems for users? i mean we've come to expect misunderstandings from commercial outfits, but from universities....i dunno jon From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 26 05:08:16 1995 Received: from icil64.cilea.it by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 26 May 1995 02:07:29 -0700 Received: from uff29c.cilea.it by ICIL64.CILEA.IT (PMDF V4.2-14 #2920) id <01HQYGAUQEW09S97JN@ICIL64.CILEA.IT>; Fri, 26 May 1995 11:06:39 MET-DST Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 11:06:39 MET-DST Date-warning: Date header was inserted by ICIL64.CILEA.IT From: calegari@CILEA.IT (Antonio Calegari) Subject: RE: please unsubscribe To: Stephen Casner Cc: rem-conf@es.net Message-id: <01HQYGAZMYZU9S97JN@ICIL64.CILEA.IT> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sender: calegari@icil64 >Antonio, > >Other people have probably explained to you that your request to >unsubscribe should go to rem-conf-request@es.net, not to the list >itself. yes, I'm sorry (I did it by mistake and I didn't want to further trouble the list with my excuses :-) > >However, the purpose of my message is to ask if your departure >from the list means that you do not intend to run the MBone Calendar >on the web any longer? My departure from the list is due to my departure (for at least one year) >from CILEA, the Computing Center where I've worked so far. The MBone Agenda will remain on line on the usual server (www.cilea.it) after my departure with no modification. Please refer to webmaster@cilea.it for anything regarding the Agenda (corrections, comments etc.). It's been nice talking with you all, thank you. Cheers Antonio Antonio Calegari CILEA From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 26 09:23:39 1995 Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (actually cs.nps.navy.mil) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 26 May 1995 06:23:16 -0700 Received: from grus.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20721; Fri, 26 May 95 06:23:03 PDT Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 06:22:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Macedonia To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: InterNet Access Router (INAR) 1.00 (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Archive-name: auto/comp.dcom.isdn/InterNet_Access_Router_INAR_1_00 Hi net-folks! Finally, after months of enhancing, testing and polishing, I introduce to you INAR 1.00, the InterNet Access Router. INAR is freeware, so if you are interested, just give it a try. Here is an excerpt from the `README' file: INAR is a fast, easy to configure freeware package that makes a dedicated IP router out of any 80x86 PC running MS-DOS. To communicate with the network interface hardware it uses packet drivers that comply with FTP Software, Inc's packet driver specifications (Rev. 1.09). If you have more than one computer at your site and want to connect your LAN segment to the Internet and/or other LAN/WAN segments, this package is for you! Here's a list of INAR's most prominent features: - Up to eight interfaces. - The router component is written in assembler so it is very fast. - Propagates routing information via RIP (incl. "poisoned reverse"). - Selective default route propagation. - Interfaces and static routes can be marked as hidden (to RIP) and unreachable. - Transient static routes to provide boot-time default routing until RIP takes over. - Supports static routes with variable subnet masks in the same IP net to ensure economic use of precious Internet IP numbers. - Allows source routes to enforce local routing policies. - Source IP address (reverse route) checking to enhance network security. - Proxy ARP (for all known routes). - Global broadcast forwarding between subnets of the same IP net. - Can send status messages to a UNIX syslog daemon. - BOOTP forwarding. - ISDN and point-to-point interfaces do not need an extra IP address. - Multiple transmission protocols and dialin/dialout links on the same ISDN interface. - A single non-cryptic, easy-to-understand configuration file for all software components. - Comes with packet drivers for the most common ethernet cards as well as with drivers for ISDN and SLIP/CSLIP. - Includes sample config files for the most common cases. INAR 1.00 is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.fu-berlin.de (160.45.10.6), file `/pc/msdos/network/inar/inar-100.exe' (self- extracting LHA file). Enjoy! Uwe Doering -- Uwe Doering | EMail concerning -> FAS : fas@geminix.snafu.de Berlin | -> INAR : inar@geminix.snafu.de Germany | -> other issues : gemini@geminix.snafu.de -- Mike Macedonia | macedonia@cs.nps.navy.mil MAJ, USA | CS Dept, Naval Postgraduate School, | Monterey, CA 93943 | PH:(408) 656-2903 FAX:(408) 656-2814 ------------------------------------------------------------ From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 26 10:25:14 1995 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 26 May 1995 07:24:32 -0700 Received: from waffle.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Fri, 26 May 1995 15:22:50 +0100 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: mbone list management on mbone Date: Fri, 26 May 95 15:22:47 +0100 Message-ID: <1721.801498167@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Jon Crowcroft here is a wacky idea based in two things 1. my outburst earlier today at 2 wrongly placed list subscription emails here and 2. MUSE (the multicast nntp for newsgroup dissemination) why not use sd/mbone as an email list subscription protocol? jon From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 26 11:39:10 1995 Received: from apple.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 26 May 1995 08:38:43 -0700 Received: by apple.com with SMTP (5.61/8-Oct-1993-eef) id AA29325; Fri, 26 May 95 08:38:17 -0700 for rem-conf@es.net From: "Erik E. Fair" (Internet Architect) Subject: Re: mbone list management on mbone In-Reply-To: <1721.801498167@cs.ucl.ac.uk> To: Jon Crowcroft X-Return-Path: rem-conf-request@es.net Cc: rem-conf@es.net Date: Fri, 26 May 95 08:38:16 -0700 Message-Id: <29321.801502696@apple.com> Sender: fair@apple.com What did you have in mind? Personally, my bias is to dump all mailing lists into netnews, so that list maintenance issues go away. Of course, that does not deal with access control or limited distribution issues. Erik E. Fair apple!fair fair@apple.com From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 26 12:56:02 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 26 May 1995 09:55:26 -0700 Received: from digit.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.117.114]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14560(2)>; Fri, 26 May 1995 09:55:06 PDT Received: from localhost by digit.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <75270>; Fri, 26 May 1995 09:54:56 -0700 To: Michael Macedonia Cc: rem-conf@es.net, deering@parc.xerox.com Subject: Re: InterNet Access Router (INAR) 1.00 (fwd) In-reply-to: macedoni's message of Fri, 26 May 95 06:22:57 -0800. Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 09:54:41 PDT Sender: Steve Deering From: Steve Deering Message-Id: <95May26.095456pdt.75270@digit.parc.xerox.com> > Here's a list of INAR's most prominent features: > > ... Multicast routing, the most essential feature, is missing. :-) Steve From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 26 13:19:41 1995 Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (actually cs.nps.navy.mil) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 26 May 1995 10:18:56 -0700 Received: from aquarius.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29892; Fri, 26 May 95 10:18:30 PDT Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 10:18:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Macedonia To: Steve Deering Cc: rem-conf@es.net, deering@parc.xerox.com Subject: Re: InterNet Access Router (INAR) 1.00 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <95May26.095456pdt.75270@digit.parc.xerox.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Steve, Maybe they need inspiration from FTP. Then the world will have all these cheap DOS boxes with DVMRP(NG) so every univesity dorm will have mbone concerts and then we can all buy stock in network providers. :-) Mike Mike Macedonia | macedonia@cs.nps.navy.mil MAJ, USA | CS Dept, Naval Postgraduate School, | Monterey, CA 93943 | PH:(408) 656-2903 FAX:(408) 656-2814 ------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 26 May 1995, Steve Deering wrote: > > Here's a list of INAR's most prominent features: > > > > ... > > Multicast routing, the most essential feature, is missing. :-) > > Steve > > From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 26 16:32:00 1995 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 26 May 1995 13:31:37 -0700 Received: from sco.sco.COM by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyrla12008; Fri, 26 May 1995 16:30:06 -0400 Received: from tehama.pdev.sco.COM by sco.sco.COM id aa13133; Fri, 26 May 95 13:26:12 PDT Received: from basil.pdev.sco.COM by tehama.sco.com id aa02287; 26 May 95 13:30 PDT From: shawnm@sco.COM To: J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk, rem-conf@es.net Subject: mbone list management on mbone X-Mailer: ScoMail 3.0.Bb MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 13:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9505261333.aa05284@basil.sco.com> An interesting idea but it misses the fact thqt people not on the MBone sign on to the list to learn more in the time before joining the MBone. From: Jon Crowcroft here is a wacky idea based in two things 1. my outburst earlier today at 2 wrongly placed list subscription emails here and 2. MUSE (the multicast nntp for newsgroup dissemination) why not use sd/mbone as an email list subscription protocol? jon From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri May 26 19:35:37 1995 Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (actually cs.nps.navy.mil) by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Fri, 26 May 1995 16:35:12 -0700 Received: from libra.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10006; Fri, 26 May 95 16:34:58 PDT From: brutzman@cs.nps.navy.mil (Don Brutzman) Message-Id: <9505262334.AA10006@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> Subject: Re: Hamming lecture audio quality? To: kc@upeksa.sdsc.edu (k claffy), rem-conf@es.net (Remote Conferencing mail list) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 16:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tlemswil@nps.navy.mil (Tracey L Emswiler) In-Reply-To: <199505262228.PAA05588@upeksa.sdsc.edu> from "k claffy" at May 26, 95 03:28:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 581 Following today's Hamming lecture I read the following message: k claffy writes: > > wow, i am getting a very disturbing noise > on the audio channel instead of the > audio. is anyone else having difficulty, > or is it something at my end screwing up? If any of the other dozen listeners can comment on audio quality please do so. Thanks. r/Don -- Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code UW/Br work 408.656.2149 Monterey California 93943-5000 USA fax 408.656.3679 AUV Underwater Virtual World ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/auv/auv.html From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat May 27 03:09:39 1995 Received: from rx7.ee.lbl.gov by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sat, 27 May 1995 00:08:46 -0700 Received: by rx7.ee.lbl.gov (8.6.12/1.43r) id AAA23238; Sat, 27 May 1995 00:09:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199505270709.AAA23238@rx7.ee.lbl.gov> To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: linux vat, sd & wb available on ftp.ee.lbl.gov Date: Sat, 27 May 95 00:09:17 PDT From: Van Jacobson Two weeks ago I sent a message saying we had just purchased a machine for linux development & it would probably take about two weeks to port vat, sd & wb to linux. Thanks to a lot of help from Craig Leres, it only took 9 days. We then spent 4 days trying (unsuccessfully) to fix a problem with the linux multicast code so we could offer a patch with the tools. Since the tools are usable even without fixing the kernel problem, we've decided to release them without a kernel patch. They're available in the usual place. I.e., ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/conferencing/vat/linux-vat-3.5.tar.Z ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/conferencing/wb/linux-wb-1.59.tar.Z ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/conferencing/sd/linux-sd-1.17.tar.Z Everything has been build under the Slackware 1.2.8 distribution. The tools were all linked '-static' in the hopes of minimizing problems with different versions of various libraries. They were also all compiled "-g" so interested parties could send us gdb tracebacks with bug reports. Since -g makes the binaries huge, you might want to strip them if your system is tight on disk space. Let us know of any problems. Thanks. - Van Jacobson & Steve McCanne ------------ This is the README.linux from vat: Notes on vat for linux. Wed May 24 08:50:53 PDT 1995 This is the first release of vat for linux. It has had very little testing so expect bugs. There are some minor problems due to the way PC audio cards work & a major problem from a missing part of the linux multicast code. The audio problems are: - Most PC audio is half-duplex (cannot play & record at the same time) so none of the 'speakerphone' or full-duplex audio modes of vat are available. Essentially you always run in "mike mutes net" mode. We have a PAS-16 on order (the one card we know of that does full duplex audio) and hope to work on full-duplex linux audio support whenever it shows up. That's probably at least a month away. - The linux audio driver doesn't include any way to set the play or record volume so the volume sliders do nothing. The major problem is the multicast code is that multicast through the loopback interface does not work. This is a very serious deficiency since local (loopback) multicast sockets are used to implement "conference busses" that vat/vic/etc. use to do things like pass the audio hardware between different vats, automatically switch video windows on audio activity, etc. We, and others, also have floor & conference control agents (for moderated meetings) and key distribution agents (for private meetings with dynamic membership control) in the works. None of these things will work on linux without fixing the linux kernel. I was hoping to come up with a patch for this but, since the loopback interface is used (wrongly, in my view) to implement the IP_MULTICAST_LOOP socket option, quite a lot of code needs to be changed & I haven't yet figured out enough of the linux socket buffer & locking/ipl conventions to make the changes. Ignoring the future tools that won't work, right now you will find that the lack of local multicast makes it *very* difficult to switch the audio between multiple instances of vat. You will probably want to run just one at a time. There is another, minor, multicast bug that doesn't allow the multicast ttl to be set to 0 (the spec specifically defines 0 as "this machine"). I think the code in linux/net/inet/ip.c should be patched as follows: diff -c -r1.1 ip.c *** 1.1 1995/05/27 06:24:35 --- ip.c 1995/05/27 06:25:28 *************** *** 2090,2096 **** unsigned char ucval; ucval=get_fs_byte((unsigned char *)optval); ! if(ucval<1||ucval>255) return -EINVAL; sk->ip_mc_ttl=(int)ucval; return 0; --- 2090,2096 ---- unsigned char ucval; ucval=get_fs_byte((unsigned char *)optval); ! if(ucval>255) return -EINVAL; sk->ip_mc_ttl=(int)ucval; return 0; This bug currently has little effect but will be annoying if the loopback bug is fixed. Good luck. Please send any bug reports to "vat@ee.lbl.gov". Thanks. From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat May 27 04:18:51 1995 Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sat, 27 May 1995 01:18:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (thorpej@localhost) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.6.12/NAS.6.1) with SMTP id BAA20071; Sat, 27 May 1995 01:18:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199505270818.BAA20071@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: lestat.nas.nasa.gov: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: brutzman@cs.nps.navy.mil (Don Brutzman) Cc: kc@upeksa.sdsc.edu (k claffy), rem-conf@es.net (Remote Conferencing mail list), tlemswil@nps.navy.mil (Tracey L Emswiler) Subject: Re: Hamming lecture audio quality? Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 01:18:09 -0700 Sender: thorpej@nas.nasa.gov On Fri, 26 May 1995 16:34:57 -0700 (PDT) brutzman@cs.nps.navy.mil (Don Brutzman) wrote: > If any of the other dozen listeners can comment on audio quality > please do so. Thanks. I found the audio quite acceptable... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Home: 408.866.1912 NAS: M/S 258-6 Work: 415.604.0935 Moffet Field, CA 94035 Pager: 415.428.6939 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat May 27 11:50:36 1995 Received: from luggage.tecc.co.uk by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sat, 27 May 1995 08:50:04 -0700 Received: from luggage.tecc.co.uk by luggage.tecc.co.uk id aa15357; 27 May 95 16:47 BST From: Gordon Joly To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: mbone list management on mbone In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 26 May 1995 08:38:16 PDT." <29321.801502696@apple.com> Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 16:47:52 +0100 Sender: gordo@tecc.co.uk Message-ID: <9505271647.aa15357@luggage.tecc.co.uk> >>>>> "Erik" == Internet Architect writes: Erik> What did you have in mind? Erik> Personally, my bias is to dump all mailing lists into netnews, Erik> so that list maintenance issues go away. Of course, that does Erik> not deal with access control or limited distribution issues. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Usenet news has no notion of scope (as you mention here). Local groups often leak out from the system to which they should be restricted (that is local can become global). Also, even with NNTP, there must be many sites that have no news access at all? Gordon Joly || gordo@bbcnc.org.uk || +44 181 225 7414 BBC Networking Club, Rm S401, Sulgrave House, Woodger Road, LONDON W12 8QT, UK. "Nation Shall Speak Peace Unto Nation" BBC Networking Club From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 29 10:16:38 1995 Received: from terra.stack.urc.tue.nl by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 29 May 1995 07:16:04 -0700 Received: from snail.stack.urc.tue.nl (snail.stack.urc.tue.nl [131.155.140.131]) by terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA06474 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 16:15:44 +0200 Received: (erikb@localhost) by snail.stack.urc.tue.nl (8.6.10/8.6.4) id QAA09497 for rem-conf@es.net; Mon, 29 May 1995 16:15:54 +0200 From: erikb@stack.urc.tue.nl (Erik Bonfrere) Message-Id: <199505291415.QAA09497@snail.stack.urc.tue.nl> Subject: Announcement of broadcast To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 16:15:54 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <9505271647.aa15357@luggage.tecc.co.uk> from "Gordon Joly" at May 27, 95 04:47:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 988 Hello, my name is Erik from Eindhoven University of Technoligy, and we are planning to broadcast a concert on saturday 3 june (12:00 till 00:30) and 4 june (13:00 till 22:00). The concert is called Dynamo Open Air and is a hardrock festival. We are planning to broadcast it world-wide. Only one video an one sound channel will be broadcasted. For more information you can see the following URL: "http://www.dse.iaehv.nl/cultuur/muziek/anti-concerts/index_uk.html" If you have any comments, please mail me. When we are connected, we will put the info on SD. PS I have followed this mailinglist for a while and I didn't think that there was another broadcast in this weekend. With kind regards, Erik Bonfrere erikb@stack.urc.tue.nl Member of the board of M.C.G.V. STACK http://www.stack.urc.tue.nl/ STACK is the largest student association at the Eindhoven University of Technoligy. We currently have some 600 members. From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 29 14:02:51 1995 Received: from hp18.fzu.cz by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 29 May 1995 11:02:23 -0700 Received: by hp18.fzu.cz (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA09712; Mon, 29 May 1995 19:59:10 +0200 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 19:59:10 +0200 From: Julius Hrivnac Posted-Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 19:59:10 +0200 Received-Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 19:59:10 +0200 Subject: Broadcast of HEPiX Meeting To: rem-conf@es.net Message-Id: Return-Receipt-To: hrivnac@fzu.cz X-Acknowledge-To: hrivnac@fzu.cz Reply-To: hrivnac@fzu.cz We plan to broadcast HEPiX Meeting from Prague. For more details see http://www-hep.fzu.cz/computing/HEPiX/HEPiX95.html J.Hrivnac P.S.: HEPiX = High Energy Physics Unix -- ################################################################################ # E-mail - internet: hrivnac@cernvm.cern.ch <<<--- use this !!! # # hrivnac@fzu.cz # # bitnet : hrivnac@cernvm <<<--- or this !!! # # WWW - J.H. # # S-mail: PPE Division; bldg.602,R-018; CERN; 1211 Geneve; Switzerland # # voice: (022)-767-3170 # ################################################################################ From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 29 15:50:45 1995 Received: from explorer.dgp.toronto.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 29 May 1995 12:50:18 -0700 Received: by explorer.dgp.toronto.edu id <144031>; Mon, 29 May 1995 15:50:03 -0400 From: Corina Xiaohuan Wang To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Mbone session Message-Id: <95May29.155003edt.144031@explorer.dgp.toronto.edu> Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 15:49:58 -0400 Hi, Could anyone please tell me how to see/hear a Mbone session? Thanks. Corina From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 29 21:14:33 1995 Received: from procyan.reign.net by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 29 May 1995 18:13:50 -0700 Received: from procyan.reign.net (procyan.reign.net [204.17.139.103]) by procyan.reign.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA12150 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 17:12:51 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 17:12:50 -0800 (AKDT) From: "Ryan S. McClune" To: rem-conf@es.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII help lists info From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon May 29 23:50:23 1995 Received: from nps.navy.mil by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Mon, 29 May 1995 20:49:57 -0700 Received: from slb122.cc.nps.navy.mil by nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28484; Mon, 29 May 95 20:49:21 PDT Date: Mon, 29 May 95 20:49:20 PDT Message-Id: <9505300349.AA28484@nps.navy.mil> X-Sender: tlemswil@nps.navy.mil Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rem-conf@es.net From: tlemswiler@nps.navy.mil (Tracey Emswiler) Subject: Hamming Lecture Series (Week 10) X-Mailer: THE ART OF DOING SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING Learning to Learn Richard W. Hamming Naval Postgraduate School Monterey, California 1. Lecture 28: Tuesday, 30 May 1995 from 1210-1300 PDT (1910-2000 GMT) Systems Engineering: Systems engineering is the attempt to keep at all times the larger goals in mind and to translate local actions into global results. 2. Lecture 29: Thursday, 1 June 1995 from 1210-1300 PDT (1910-2000 GMT) You Get What You Measure: The way you choose to measure things controls to a large extent what happens. The instrument you use clearly affects what you see. 3. Lecture 30: Friday, 2 June 1995 from 1510-1600 PDT (2210-2300 GMT) You and Your Research: This lecture could have been called "You and Your Engineering Career", or even "You and Your Career". The word "Research" was left in because that is what Dr. Hamming has most studied. As always, your comments/feedback are welcome. Please address them to tlemswil@nps.navy.mil --------------------------------------------------------- LT Tracey Emswiler Naval Postgraduate School Code 36 Monterey California 93943-5000 USA Voice Mail: (408) 656-2536 x2157 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 30 08:56:41 1995 Received: from dxmint.cern.ch by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 30 May 1995 05:56:06 -0700 Received: from dxcoms.cern.ch by dxmint.cern.ch id AA03394; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:56:01 +0200 Received: by dxcoms.cern.ch id AA19824; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:55:58 +0200 Message-Id: <9505301255.AA19824@dxcoms.cern.ch> Subject: CERN-LEPC MBONE Announcement To: rem-conf@es.net, htc@cearn.cern.ch, hrc@cearn.cern.ch Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 14:55:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Christian Isnard - CERN/CN/CS X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23 DXCOMS1] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1687 CERN is pleased to announce the MBONE broadcast of the next LEPC Open Session: LEP Experiments Committee (LEPC) -------------------------------- on Wednesday 7th June 1995 between 09:00 and 13:00 Geneva Time (GMT+2) [i.e. 07:00 and 11:00 GMT] A Playback Session will follow ------------------------------ between 17:00 and 22:00 Geneva Time (GMT+2) [i.e. 15:00 and 20:00 GMT] The session will be advertised in sd session directory as "CERN - LEPC". vat v3.4 (audio) and nv v3.3 (video) will be used with ttl 127. LEPC Provisional Agenda ----------------------- (Geneva Time) Reports on the LEP machine: 09:00 - 09:30 (GMT+2) LEP status and bunch train operation (Andre Faugier) 09:30 - 10:00 (GMT+2) Scenario for the 1995 Z0 scan (Tiziano Camporesi) 10:00 - 10:30 (GMT+2) Progress with the superconducting rf system (Daniel Boussard) LEP 2 energy upgrade: 11:00 - 11:30 (GMT+2) LEP 2 energy scenarios (Steve Myers) 11:30 - 12:00 (GMT+2) Theoretical overview (Guido Altarelli) 12:00 - 12:30 (GMT+2) LEP experimental aspects (Jean-Francois Grivaz) 12:30 - 13:00 (GMT+2) LHC experimental aspects (Daniel Froidevaux) ----------------------- In case of questions or problems with this broadcast please contact: Christian Isnard Email: isnard@dxcoms.cern.ch European Laboratory for Particle Physics CERN - CN/CS/EN Computers and Networks division Tel: +41 22 767 23 94 CH-1211 Geneva 23 - Switzerland Fax: +41 22 767 71 55 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue May 30 19:00:49 1995 Received: from scorpio.arc.nasa.gov by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Tue, 30 May 1995 16:00:16 -0700 Received: by scorpio.arc.nasa.gov (940816.SGI.8.6.9/1.35) id OAA11895; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:29:59 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 14:29:59 -0700 From: garyp@scorpio.arc.nasa.gov (Gary Paden) Message-Id: <199505302129.OAA11895@scorpio.arc.nasa.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: MIR Mbone Program We are planing an Mbone presentation on May 31 at TTL127. We will be using VIC and VAT. Expected material includes a live docking of the SPECTR Science Module with the MIR-1 Space Station. Mission start time is 8:30a.m. EST with expected docking at 9:04a.m. EST. If there are conflicts with other scheduled uses of the Mbone please e-mail me or call. Gary Paden NASA-Ames/Sterling Video Technician Code IDN VTS Group (415)604-0082 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 31 13:22:06 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 31 May 1995 10:21:35 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14620(1)>; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:19:55 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <49859>; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:19:45 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: garyp@scorpio.arc.nasa.gov (Gary Paden) cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: MIR Mbone Program In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 May 95 14:29:59 PDT." <199505302129.OAA11895@scorpio.arc.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 10:19:40 PDT Sender: Bill Fenner From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95May31.101945pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> In message <199505302129.OAA11895@scorpio.arc.nasa.gov> you write: >We will be using VIC... But your announcement explicitly states "fmt:nv". This will make vic start up in nv-RTPv1 compatibility mode, in which it will accept an odd data port (which your session got assigned). Since many people have sd launch "nv" when there is a "fmt:nv" in the session, they will have to launch vic by hand from the information in the session announcement. Unless they remember the "-A nv" flag, vic will start up in RTPv2 mode, which does not allow odd data ports. Thus, it subtracts one to get the data port and suddenly you have two different ports that data might appear on. This is why it is *extremely* important to get your sd advertisement right; if you don't, there is a 50% chance that you will get an odd port and will have this potential confusion. If you are going to transmit anything other than nv-format video using vic, then *PLEASE* make sure that your sd advertisement has the proper "fmt:" entry. Bill From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 31 15:34:15 1995 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 31 May 1995 12:33:42 -0700 Received: from bigpink.pa.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA08912; Wed, 31 May 95 12:02:27 -0700 Received: by bigpink.pa.dec.com; id AA27643; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:02:25 -0700 Message-Id: <9505311902.AA27643@bigpink.pa.dec.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Cc: band@std.com Subject: Severe Tire Damage 31-May-95 Date: Wed, 31 May 95 12:02:25 -0700 From: berc@pa.dec.com X-Mts: smtp What: Severe Tire Damage Concert Date: 31-May-95 Time: 9pm - 9:30pm PDT From: The Fabulous SubForum (nee Garage) Systems Research Center Digital Equipment Corporation Palo Alto, California This week we'll feature guest bassist Mike Perkins, formerly of Head Transfer, and there might be a song off Innervisions... Come join the fun! Lance Berc berc@src.dec.com Still image grabbing: http://chocolate.research.digital.com/grab.html STD info: http://www.ubiq.com/std/band.html http://www.std.com/homepages/band mailto:band@std.com MBone tools for Alpha workstation: http://chocolate.research.digital.com/mbone From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 31 16:02:46 1995 Received: from andrew.cmu.edu by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 31 May 1995 13:02:18 -0700 Received: (from postman@localhost) by andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA11525 for rem-conf@es.net; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:02:10 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix20.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix20.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix20.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.unix20.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 16:00:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Leejay Wu To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: vic, nv sources Pardon my newbie question: Has anybody else been having trouble compiling NV 3.3beta and Vic 2.6 for the DEC Alpha platform? Using the sources obtained from ftp.vse.cz 's mice archive, nvsrc-3.3beta.tar.Z and vicsrc-2.6.tar.Z, as well as cc, blt-1.7 and Tcl 7.3 / Tk 3.6 on OSF... ...compiling for a J300 setup w/o MME, uncommenting the Dec w/ J300 w/o MME section in nv's Makefile, and using Vic's configure function, neither works properly. My binary of Network Video appears to send and receive properly... but the buttons, menu bars, and other Tcl/Tk features, though highlighted whenever the pointer passes over them, refuse to actually *do* anything. Vic, on the other hand, compiles most of the objects correctly, but gives a smtp_ip error, ("Error: Undefined: \n ipUnallocateAndSendData \n _SmtpIpError) yielding a nonfunctional binary. Is there something that I need to change in the Makefiles or elsewhere besides uncommenting the apropos sections, or with blt-1.7 (uncompressed, untarred, configured and built), to get these to work? TIA, Leejay Wu --Leejay Wu ------ PGP keyprint: F3 FC EB 0E 2C 31 F3 08 96 A2 B4 E2 5A 3E 47 6A -- | .. Those who live by the pen, die by the pen .. Opinions are | | purely my own .. finger for W3/GC/PGP stuff .. encrypt if desired .. "Give me | -- liberty or give me death!" .. Patrick Henry -- .sig last revised 05/25/95 ------ From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed May 31 20:55:58 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Wed, 31 May 1995 17:55:33 -0700 Received: from ecco.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.196]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14519(4)>; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:55:27 PDT Received: from localhost by ecco.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <16136>; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:55:19 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: Leejay Wu cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: vic, nv sources In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 13:00:53 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 17:55:06 PDT Sender: Ron Frederick From: Ron Frederick Message-Id: <95May31.175519pdt.16136@ecco.parc.xerox.com> In message you write: > ...compiling for a J300 setup w/o MME, uncommenting the Dec w/ J300 w/o > MME section in nv's Makefile, and using Vic's configure function, > neither works properly. My binary of Network Video appears to send and > receive properly... but the buttons, menu bars, and other Tcl/Tk > features, though highlighted whenever the pointer passes over them, > refuse to actually *do* anything. Vic, on the other hand, compiles most > of the objects correctly, but gives a smtp_ip error, ("Error: > Undefined: \n ipUnallocateAndSendData \n _SmtpIpError) yielding a > nonfunctional binary. > I'm not sure about your vic problems, but the nv problems suggest that you have some kind of problem with the Tcl code which implements all of the Tk widget functionality. Perhaps somehow your tk_init.tcl got damaged, or the process of converting that into nv_init.c didn't work correctly. I have seen some problems with DEC Alpha compilers having trouble with the long strings that get created, but the latest "tcl2c" program should be able to work around that. Make _sure_ that you don't have an old "tcl2c" on your path somewhere. You should use the one which is in the nv build directory. FYI: the nv_init.c which gets created in the build directory should begin something like: char TK_Init[] = { '#', '\n', '#', ' ', 'G', 'e', 'n', 'e', 'r', 'a', 'l', ' ', 'T', 'K', ' ', 'i', 'n', 'i', 't', 'i', 'a', 'l', 'i', 'z', 'a', 't', 'i', 'o', 'n', ' ', 'c', 'o', 'd', 'e', '\n', '#', '\n', '\n', 'p', 'r', 'o', 'c', ' ', 't', 'k', '_', 'b', 'u', 't', 'E', 'n', 't', 'e', 'r', ' ', 'w', ' ', '{', '\n', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', 'g', 'l', 'o', 'b', 'a', 'l', ' ', (rest of file truncated) -- Ron Frederick frederick@parc.xerox.com