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The following are some of the latest virtual environment 
     Calls for Participation:

--> VRAIS '96 Call for Participation
    -- Call Date: 1 September 95

---> Rapid System Virtual Prototyping Symposium
     --> 5-9 June 95 on the MBONE OF Internet


V R A I S   ' 9 6   C A L L   F O R   P A R T I C I P A T I O N

    The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers

                       Presents the

   IEEE Virtual Reality Annual International Symposium 1996

                 March 30 - April 3 1996
                  Santa Clara Marriott
               Santa Clara, California, USA
	         (San Francisco Bay Area)

Sponsored by:

  IEEE Neural Networks Council Virtual Reality Technical Committee
   IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Computer Graphics

        **** All submissions due by September 1, 1995 ****

Tutorial Session: March 30-31, 1996
General Session: April 1-3, 1996
Exhibition: March 31 - April 2, 1996


The VRAIS '96 organizing committee requests your participation! We welcome
submissions of papers, panels, tutorials, videos, exhibits, and research
demonstrations.


For more details and up-to-date information, watch our web site at
        **** http://www.eece.unm.edu/eece/conf/vrais ****

I N V I T A T I O N ___________________________________________________________

I invite you to take part in the IEEE 1996 Virtual Reality Annual International
Symposium (VRAIS '96), which will mark the third entry in the VRAIS series.
Taking place in the heart of Silicon Valley in the San Francisco Bay Area,
VRAIS '96 promises to be the premiere venue in 1996 for the presentation of
research and development in virtual reality.

Virtual reality is a tremendously interdisciplinary field. Computers, graphics,
human factors, interfaces, audio, haptics, and many other disciplines come into
play. All of these fields have a place in VRAIS '96. If you do research and/or
development in virtual reality, the VRAIS audience will be interested in
hearing what you have to say. This year we are also encouraging the submission
of results in the application of virtual reality to many areas, including
medicine, science, training and entertainment.

We invite your participation in many forms! We continue the papers, panels,
tutorials, exhibits and videos which have set the high technical standards of
VRAIS. In an effort to expand the quality of VRAIS, we have some new offerings.

   * We are adding a new venue: peer-reviewed research demonstrations which
     will allow the attendee to experience first-hand the results of
     state-of-the-art research in virtual reality.
   * In order to help students be active participants in virtual reality
     research we are instituting the use of student volunteers. The
     registration costs of these volunteers will be waived in exchange for
     help in running VRAIS '96. Student volunteers will be significant
     contributors to the success of VRAIS.
   * We will be including the video proceedings with the bound proceedings at
     no extra cost.

VRAIS '96 will be located in the Santa Clara Marriott, a hotel with an intimate
atmosphere across from Great America theme park. The Marriott is located 1/2
mile from the San Jose light rail, only a 15 minute ride from downtown San
Jose.

Please watch our Web site at http://www.eece.unm.edu/eece/conf/vrais.  As
VRAIS '96 matures these pages will be updated to tell you the latest features
and developments.

Speaking for the VRAIS '96 conference committee, we look forward to seeing you
in March!

General Chair
Steve Bryson
CSC/NASA Ames Research Center


P A P E R S ___________________________________________________________________

VRAIS '96 seeks original high-quality technical papers in all areas of virtual
reality. Topics of interest include (but are not limited to):

            SOFTWARE                          HARDWARE
        Computer Graphics              Computational Hardware
           Simulation                     Graphics Hardware
Animation and Behavioral Modeling              Displays
                                        Sensors and Actuators

          APPLICATIONS                      HUMAN FACTORS
 Prototype and Fielded VR Systems         Issues and Studies

                                               SYSTEMS
       TECHNIQUES AND TOOLS                 Architectures
Environment Design and Development    Distributed and Shared VR
    Interaction and Navigation              Telepresence
           Calibration                    Augmented Reality

Acceptance Criteria: Papers should describe original research; generalized
solutions to specific problems of importance to the advancement of virtual
reality; and working tools and applications developed to at least the prototype
stage.

Research papers should describe:

   * the problem being addressed
   * previous work and how the current work differs
   * a detailed description of the research and how it addresses the stated
     problem
   * and results from tests or studies performed

Solution papers should provide:

   * a discussion of the problem
   * details of the implementation (adequate to allow an expert in the field to
     judge the work)
   * and the results of experiments showing how the work is a general solution
     to the stated problem

Application papers should describe:

   * the application task
   * the reason for applying VR
   * details and justification of the chosen design and implementation
   * difficulties encountered in the design and implementation and how they
     were overcome
   * and the impact of the VR technology on the application

Industry technologists are encouraged to submit papers.

A selection of the best VRAIS '96 papers will be extended and
included in a special issue of IEEE Computer Graphics and Applications
(CG&A) on VR.

Papers must be in English and must be submitted in a format of no more than
eight double column, single spaced pages. In a cover letter, please include the
complete title of the paper and name, address, phone, fax, and email
information for the author who will be the point of contact. Send 6 copies of
the full paper (fax and email papers will not be accepted) and associated
videotapes to:

Sharon Stansfield
sastans@sandia.gov

By U.S. mail:                        By courier:

Sharon Stansfield                    Sharon Stansfield
Sandia National Laboratories         Sandia National Laboratories
P.O. Box 5800, MS 0951               1515 Eubank Blvd. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87185-0951           Albuquerque, NM 87123


P A N E L S ___________________________________________________________________

Panels are presentations that cover a specific area from several perspectives
including lively discussion of controversial issues. Panel proposals should
include:

   * a title for the panel session
   * a brief description of the overall issues to be discussed
   * an abstract of each panelist's presentation
   * the names and contact information of the organizer and panelists

For more information on panel submissions, contact:

Sharon Stansfield
Sandia National Laboratories
sastans@sandia.gov


T U T O R I A L S _____________________________________________________________

Tutorials are half-day or full-day in length covering topics of interest to the
virtual reality community. They may present introductory or advanced topics and
may be broad-based overviews or deal with specialized topics. Some suggested
topics are:

   * Hardware: I/O devices, their uses, integration, experiences, design
   * Software: architecture, networking, modeling, rendering, tools
   * Applications: specific domains, experiences
   * Human Factors: usability, psychophysical effects

Tutorials will be selected based on relevance, timeliness, and coherence. A
tutorial submission is a three-page proposal that includes:

   * a detailed description of the subject to be taught
   * brief biographies of the instructors
   * a syllabus including the length of time needed to cover each topic
   * the instructors' contact information

For more information on tutorial submissions, contact:

Chris Codella
codella@watson.ibm.com

Submit tutorial proposals via email or send to:

By U.S. mail:                        By courier:

Chris Codella                        Chris Codella
IBM T.J. Watson Research Center      IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
P.O. Box 704                         30 Saw Mill River Rd.
Yorktown Heights, NY 10598           Hawthorne, NY 10532


V I D E O S ___________________________________________________________________

Video submissions demonstrate hardware and software systems and applications.
Each video should stand on its own. A submission consists of:

   * 3 copies of a video segment not to exceed 5 minutes in length in 1/2 inch
     NTSC VHS format
   * a one-page information sheet containing a 200 word abstract plus
     references and acknowledgments; title, authors, affiliations, and contact
     information including email address for the lead author

Label tapes with title and authors. For more information on video submissions,
contact:

Joseph M. Rosen, M.D.
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center
joseph.rosen@Dartmouth.edu


S T U D E N T   V O L U N T E E R S ___________________________________________

Student volunteers will play a vital role in the operation of VRAIS '96. Each
student volunteer's registration will be waived in return for a minimum number
of hours worked. Student volunteers will be selected from applications based on
references.

For more information about student volunteers, contact:

Mark Green
University of Alberta
mark@cs.ualberta.ca


R E S E A R C H   D E M O N S T R A T I O N S _________________________________

The conference will provide space to non-commercial organizations for research
demonstrations in virtual reality. Demonstrations will be selected based on a
peer-review process. Demonstrators will be required to provide their own
equipment.

For more information on research demonstrations, contact:

Henry Sowizral
Boeing Computer Services
sowizral@atc.boeing.com

E X H I B I T S  ______________________________________________________________

Vendors, manufacturers, and publishers are invited to display and demonstrate
their latest innovations to the movers and shakers of virtual reality.
Potential exhibitors are encouraged to contact the Exhibits and Demonstrations
Chair for more information.

Who Should Exhibit at VRAIS '96

VRAIS '96 is aggressively pursuing both new exhibitors and new attendees in
industrial, academic, and scientific disciplines. Exhibiting companies should
have or be developing products or services in:

   *  Input devices
        o  Trackers
        o  Wands
        o  Gloves
   *  Output devices
        o  3D sound
        o  Haptic displays (force and tactile)
   *  Display devices
        o  Head mounted
        o  Head coupled
        o  3D projection
   *  Software
        o  World building (CAD)
        o  Translation
        o  Animation
        o  Applications
        o  Educational
        o  Tools
   *  Hardware
        o  Workstations
        o  Rendering Boards
        o  Graphics solutions
   *  Virtual Reality systems
   *  Publishers

The VRAIS '96 conference committee is committed to increasing the diversity of
participants and exhibitors over past years' conferences while maintaining the
conference's high technical quality.

The conference will be advertised within the United States and internationally
via direct mail, electronic mail, the World Wide Web, press releases, journals,
and newsletters.

For more information on exhibits, contact:

Henry Sowizral
Boeing Computer Services
sowizral@atc.boeing.com


The VRAIS '96 organizing committee welcomes your participation in the premier
technical conference on virtual reality and looks forward to seeing you in
March 1996.




RAPID SYSTEM VIRTUAL PROTOTYPING (Internet Video) SYMPOSIUM
                         (Simulation and Synthetic Environments)

The Rapid System Virtual Prototyping Symposium held at The Johns
Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory will be telecast on
Internet (including video) on the following dates:

          June 5, 1995  (Sessions 1 and 2)
               12:00 noon - 3:50 p.m. U.S. EST
          June 6, 1995   (Sessions 3 and 4)
               1:00 p.m. - 3:45 p.m. U.S. EST

          June 8, 1995 (Sessions 1 and 2)
               8:00 a.m. - 11:50 a.m. GMT
          June 9, 1995 (Sessions 3 and 4)
               8:00 a.m. - 10:45 a.m. GMT


INTENDED AUDIENCE: System engineers**     Software designers**
    Prototype technology managers**    Interdisciplinary teams**
    Synthetic environment developers

Recent advances in RSVP technologies enable system designers to rapidly
conceptualize, develop, and visualize complex synthetic environments.  This
can greatly leverage and accelerate the rate of Prototype development for
both defense and commercial systems.

Sponsored by The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory

In cooperation with:
IEEE - United States Activities
IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Simulation
IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Computer Graphics
IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Design Automation
The National Council on Systems Engineering (NCOSE)
The Society for Applied Learning Technology (SALT)

General Chair: Paul Hazan, The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics
Laboratory

Program Co-Chairs:
     Ken Anderson, Consultant
     Walter Beam, Consultant
     Nahum Gershon, The MITRE Corporation
     Lawrence Rosenblum, Naval Research Laboratory
     Stanley Winkler, Consultant

*************************************************************************
*             TO CONNECT YOUR WORKSTATION:
*
*  You must have an audio-capable workstation (SPARC, SGI, HP,
*  DEC) with IP multicast software added to the operating system.
*  You must also be connected to the virtual IP multicast network
*  (MBONE), including your network service provider.  More
*   information about the MBONE, including what hardware and
*  software is required to receive this multicast, is available via
*  anonymous FTP from venera.isi.edu in the file mbone/faq.txt.

************************************************************************

               PROGRAM

June 5, 1995  (Sessions 1 and 2)        or        June 8, 1995 (Sessions 1
and 2)
12:00 noon - 3:50 p.m. U.S. EST         8:00 a.m. - 11:50 a.m. GMT

SESSION 1:  INTRODUCTION
*************
   (June 5th - 12:00 noon-12:30 pm EST)  or  (June 8th - 3:00 am- 3:30 am
GMT)

(10 min)  "WELCOME AND INTRODUCTION," Gary Smith, Director, JHU/APL

(10 min)  "RSVP, CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES," Paul Hazan, JHU/APL

(10 min)  "RAPID PROTOTYPING IN EDUCATION," Nathaniel Macon, Society
          for Applied Learning Technology

*************************************************************************
*                 SUBMIT YOUR QUESTIONS TO SPEAKERS VIA E-MAIL:
*
*                        rsvp@jhuapl.edu
*
*                                       Specify Session +S_+ and Paper +P_+
*         ------------------------------------------------------------------
 --
*
*   A continuing RSVP Symposium Question and Answer Dialogue will be
*   posted on an electronic bulletin board for the next 3 weeks.  To access
*   the RSVP bulletin board type:  http://www.jhuapl.edu/rsvp
*
************************************************************************


SESSION 2: [S2: (P1-P6)]  TOOLS AND SYSTEMS APPLICATIONS
**************
    (June 5th - 12:30 pm -3:50 pm EST)   or  (June 8th - 3:30 am- 6:50 am
GMT)

(10 min)  INTRODUCTION TO SESSION 2,+ Stanley Winkler, The Winkler Group,
and
Ken Anderson, Consultant

(25 min)  P1 - "VIRTUAL REALITY, TELEPRESENCE SURGERY AND THE NEW WORLD
ORDER OF MEDICINE," Shaun Jones, Advanced Research Projects Agency

(25 min)  P2 - "RSVP - THE BOEING 777 AND FLYTHRU," Bob Abarbanel, Boeing
Computer Services

(25 min)  P3 - "A NEW TOOL FOR RAPID DEVELOPMENT OF VIRTUAL REALITY
SYSTEMS," Tom Coull, Sense8 Corporation

                    BREAK (10 min)

(25 min)  P4 - "ACCELERATING THE AIRPORT PLANNING PROCESS THROUGH REAL-TIME
INTERACTIVE SIMULATION," Steven Collins, Lockheed Martin

(25 min)  P5 - "DISTRIBUTED VIRTUAL PROTOTYPING," Stephan Haas, Fraunhofer
Center for Research and Computer Graphic

(25 min)  P6 - "RAPID PROTOTYPING - THE WORLD WIDE WEB," Steve Heibein,
Silicon Graphics Inc.

*************************************************************************

                            ****  PANEL ****
                             (30 minutes)
************************************************************************

*************************************************************************
*                 SUBMIT YOUR QUESTIONS TO SPEAKERS VIA E-MAIL:
*
*                        rsvp@jhuapl.edu
*
*                                       Specify Session +S_+ and Paper +P_+
*         ------------------------------------------------------------------
 --
*
*   A continuing RSVP Symposium Question and Answer Dialogue will be
*   posted on an electronic bulletin board for the next 3 weeks.  To access
*   the RSVP bulletin board type: http://www.jhuapl.edu/rsvp
*
************************************************************************

June 6, 1995   (Sessions 3 and 4)      or         June 9, 1995 (Sessions 3
and 4)
1:00 p.m. - 3:45 p.m. U.S. EST          8:00 a.m. - 10:45 a.m. GMT

SESSION 3: [S3 (P1-P4)]  EDUCATION AND TRAINING
**************
     (June 6th - 1:00 pm-2:40 pm EST)    or  (June 9th - 3:00 am- 4:40 am
GMT)

(25 min)  P1 - "MULTIMEDIA IN NAVY TACTICAL TRAINING," Paul Frey, Search
Technology

(25 min)  P2 - "RAPID SOFTWARE: VIRTUAL PRODUCT SIMULATION FOR PROTOTYPING
AND TRAINING," Meir Morag, Emultek, Inc.

(25 min)  P3 - "USING THE INTERNET TO PROTOTYPE NEW PARADIGMS IN EDUCATION,"
Mark Pullen, George Mason University

(25 min)  P4 - "RSVP IN MEDICAL EDUCATION AND DIAGNOSTIC EVALUATION," Justin
Pearlman, Harvard Medical School

SESSION 4:  [S4 (P1 - P3)]  CRITICAL ISSUES FOR CURRENT THOUGHT
**************
     (June 6th - 2:40 pm-3:45 pm EST)    or  (June 9th - 4:40 am-5:45 am
GMT)

(25 min)  P1 - "SYSTEM LIFE CYCLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RSVP," Walter Beam,
The Beam Group

(25 min)  P2 - "INTELLIGENT DIGITAL LIBRARIES: PUTTING THE USER IN THE
DRIVER'S SEAT," Nahum Gershon, The MITRE Corporation

(15 min)  P3 - "SUMMARY AND FUTURE DIRECTIONS," Paul Hazan, JHU/APL

*************************************************************************
*                 FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS
*    SYMPOSIUM, CONTACT:  Ms. Lois Craig
*             (301) 953-5365 or E-mail: lcraig@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
*
************************************************************************

*************************************************************************
*             TO CONNECT YOUR WORKSTATION:
*
*  You must have an audio-capable workstation (SPARC, SGI, HP,
*  DEC) with IP multicast software added to the operating system.
*  You must also be connected to the virtual IP multicast network
*  (MBONE), including your network service provider.  More
*   information about the MBONE, including what hardware and
*  software is required to receive this multicast, is available via
*  anonymous FTP from venera.isi.edu in the file mbone/faq.txt.

************************************************************************



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THE ART OF DOING SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING
Learning to Learn

Richard W. Hamming
Naval Postgraduate School
Monterey, California

1.  Lecture 29:  Thursday, 1 June 1995 from 1210-1300 PDT  (1910-2000 GMT)
You Get What You Measure:  The way you choose to measure things controls to 
a large extent what happens.  The instrument you use clearly affects what 
you see.

2.  Lecture 30:  Friday, 2 June 1995 from 1510-1600 PDT  (2210-2300 GMT)
How Do We Know What We Know.

3.  Lecture 31:  Tuesday, 30 May 1995 from 1210-1300 PDT  (1910-2000 GMT)	
You and Your Research:  This lecture could have been called "You and Your 
Engineering Career", or even "You and Your Career".  The word "Research" was 
left in because that is what Dr. Hamming has most studied.


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	Starting about 20 minutes ago, we've begun transmitting a few
selected sessions from the Networld + Interop event in Frankfurt. It is
being advertized as "N+I Frankfurt - Selected Sessions". Unfortunately due
to bandwidth issues, we weren't able to broadcast these live, so what
you're watching is a videotape. Hope people find this stuff interesting
despite the lack of advanced notice. Send any questions or complaints to
jim@interop.net. 

 
Ethernet Switching  -  Test and Evaluation Results
 
Defining, differentiating, evaluating and choosing network switchs is a
major challenge.  This session reports on the efforts of Strategic
Networks Consulting, Inc., and Scott Bradner of the Harvard Network Device
Test Lab, who have teamed up to conduct a series of evaluations on the
four major segments of the switching market, including Switched Ethernet
(10 Mbps-10Mbps) and Switched 10 Mbps - 100 Mbps.  Scott Bradner will
release the results of these landmark evaluations and offer
recommendations on how to plan, design and implement switching technology
for a variety of corporate network infrastructures.  He will provide you
with independent test data and analysis to help you make the best switched
enterprise internetworking purchase decisions. 
 
 
Building and Managing the InteropNet Network
 
The InteropNet is unique.  Experience in building and running a highly
resilient network, using the latest technology and management platforms,
and with an extremely broad and heterogeneous range of equipment
attadched, is very rare.  The InteropNet Network Operations Center (NOC)
team is an assembly of many of the most experienced network builders in
the world.  Their combined expertise and experience is unequaled, and it
enables them to build, test, and bring into service a networkas complex
and sophisticated as the InteropNet in just over 48 hours.  In this
session you will learn about the InteropNet and benefit from the NOC
team's collective experience in building and managing the most advanced
and broad-ranging production network, supporting a user population of
serveral hundred sophisticated users. 
 
 
ATM or 100 Mb/s Ethernet for your Next Generation LAN?  Great Debate
 
High Speed LAN networking options ahve developed very reapidly over the
last year, with ATM, 100 Mb/s Ethernet, and Switched Ethernet technologies
rapidly becoming available, and FDDI/CDDI technologies becoming cheaper. 
While much of the excitement and hyperbole has been focused on ATM in the
LAN and WAN, the emerging 100 Mb/s Ethernet technologies may provide
easier migration, lower cost, high-speed LANs. In this Great Debate we
will examine whether ATM or 100 Mb/s Ethernet is the best technology
choice for the Next Generation of LANs.  Using both ATM adn 100 Mb/s
technologies, two speakers will debate and demonstrate the issues involved
and choices available. 


	Jim Martin			Internet: jim@interop.net
	Network Engineering		Fax: (408) 541-4121 
	Softbank Expos			Phone: (408) 541-4166




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	     Continuous Media Toolkit (CMT) 1995 Workshop
	       Schedule of Events and Registration Form

A workshop for CMT application and toolkit developers will be held
Friday, June 23, and Saturday, June 24, at Soda Hall (CS Building) on
the University of California at Berkeley campus.

The workshop is intended for CMT developer's and CMT application programmers.
A schedule of events is outlined below. Following the schedule is an electronic
registration form for the workshop. Please return the registration form to 
cmt95@bugs-bunny.cs.berkeley.edu. If you are a CMT application
programmer and are interested in having 5 to 10 minutes to present your
application to the workshop, please tell us on the registration form.

Please note, this workshop will NOT be covering not be covering work
done in Video-On-Demand (VOD).

			  Schedule of Events
------------------
Friday, June 23

8:00 - 8:30
	Check-in, Coffee, Snacks, Informal introductions.

8:30 - 10:00
	Using the Continuous Media Toolkit - Brian Smith
		
10:00 - 11:30
	Writing CMT Applications - Ketan Patel

11:30 - 12:30
	Lunch

12:30 - 1:30
	Applications and Extensions - various speakers
		
1:30 - 3:00
	Open Discussion

------------------
Saturday, June 24

8:00 - 8:30
	Coffee, Snacks

8:30 - 10:00
	Writing New Objects - Andrew Swan

10:00 - 11:30
	CMT Internals and Code Organization - Brian Smith and Ketan Patel

11:30 - 12:30
	Lunch 

12:30 - 2:00
	Open Discussion 


******************************** CUT HERE *****************************

		 CMT Workshop 1995 Registration Form

Return by email to cmt95@bugs-bunny.cs.berkeley.edu

Name:

Organization:

Email:

Phone:

Choose one:

	___ CMT Toolkit Developer
	
	___ CMT Application Developer

Choose all that apply:

	___ I will be attending Friday, June 23

	___ I will be attending Saturday, June 24

	___ I am interested in presenting an application or
	    extension. 

		If yes, please describe the application or extension
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John Sanders writes:
>From JoSanders@mntry.nps.navy.mil Thu Jun  1 17:25:08 1995
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From: John Sanders <JoSanders@mntry.nps.navy.mil>
Subject:  Rls on MBone
[PRESS RELEASE BY NPS PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICER]

Renowned computer science pioneer Dr. Richard Hamming, who developed the first 
self-correcting error codes for computers during the days of vacuum tubes, 
has participated in a new experiment in the field.

Reporters are invited to see this experiment in progress Friday, June 2 at 
3 p.m.  Hamming and other experts will be available for interviews following 
the experiment, which involves the simultaneous global transmission of audio, 
video, and data via a linked network called the multicast backbone, or MBone.  

MBone -- a virtual network created in 1992 for group communications among 
universities and research labs -- has approximately 1,500 nodes, roughly the 
same number which the Internet had in 1990.  

Until recently, experts believed the MBone could not be used for transmission 
of simultaneous video, audio, and data because of limited bandwidth.  This 
effort to push the envelope of computing technology has provided valuable data 
to computer scientists and has shown that methods can be employed to work
around the bandwidth problem, notes NPS Prof. Don Brutzman.

According to Navy Lt. Tracey Emswiler, who is using this experiment as the 
basis for her master's thesis in information technology management: 
"Some people believe that teaching over the MBone can't be done. We've proven 
that you can send regular live-broadcast lectures over the MBone."

Emswiler says that an average 10 - 12 universities and labs have tuned into 
each live transmission, including institutions in France, Great Britain, Japan 
and Germany.  The transmissions have provided some important data for Emswiler.
Within the western U.S., dropout rates for the signal have ranged from three to
five percent. The signal loss has been higher at more distant sites.  But 
scientific fascination with the MBone capability and potential, and Hamming's 
ability to blend science and philosophy has given the experiment a potential 
historic significance.

"How to be a great painter cannot be said in words," Hamming has told his 
global audiences.  "The usual art teacher lets the advanced student paint, and 
then makes suggestions on how they would have done it, or what might also be 
tried."  But teachers should prepare a student for the student's future, not 
the teacher's past, he notes.  

To prepare for the future, Hamming says, students need to forge their own 
style and create their own vision.  "I have my feet planted in a prior 
generation.  I want the students to question me and think for themselves," 
he adds.

Tomorrow's lecture will focus on the epistemology of science -- "how we know 
what we know," says Hamming.  "I want the students to understand what we can 
and can't know.

"When you look in the mirror and see yourself on the other side, you don't 
believe that you're actually there.  You are used to the fact that what you 
see is not reality."  In his presentation tomorrow from a modern electronic 
classroom at the Naval Postgraduate School, one of the world's leading 
scientific philosophers will explore the origins, nature, methods and limits 
of human knowledge.



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Here are some personal comments on the Hamming multicast series.

- Our goal has been to get experience producing a high-quality class
  series.  We've learned some good lessons.  This project will be
  written up as part of Tracey Emswiler's master's thesis, to be made
  publicly available next October.  The primary reason behind the
  successful recording and multicast of these lectures is her hard work.

- Public relations is not our research goal but we are happy to help
  when this attracts interest.  We of course believe that use of the
  MBone has far-reaching implications.  Public outreach is good when
  more people become aware of what technology can usefully accomplish.
  Eventually we hope to deploy MBone to individual K-12 schools in our
  region, and familiarizing people with the issues is part of that process.

- John Sanders has worked hard to understand the technology and relate issues 
  correctly in nonjargon terms.  He has done very well.  Thanks John.

- When possible we will post the address of the publisher who plans to 
  pring the course notes book so that you are able to contact them directly.

- Next quarter we will experiment with the best way to use various
  public domain tools to digitize and archive these streams for WWW access.

- Friday's lecture at 1510 PDT and Tuesday's lecture at 1210 are the last two.
  The MICE group is remulticasting sessions in Europe as quickly as we
  can duplicate videotapes for them.

- Thanks to everyone who has provided feedback, it is essential.
  Thanks also to Mike McCann, Milena Cochran, Stefan Hudson, Jon Bigelow, 
  Dave Marco, Matthew Koebbe, John Morales, Frank Cardoza, Harry Thomas and
  Dave Gordon for technical support.

- Dick Hamming has been self-effacing and completely supportive throughout 
  this effort.  He even repeated a lecture without benefit of audience when a
  recording mistake ruined a tape.  He has our admiration and sincere thanks.

- I can't imagine anyone not being challenged by Dick Hamming's ideas.
  We look forward to building the online digital archive so that anyone 
  can be "learning to learn," listening and watching and exercising
  their reasoning skills when they choose.

all the best, Don
-- 
Don Brutzman   Naval Postgraduate School, Code UW/Br     work 408.656.2149
               Monterey California 93943-5000 USA        fax  408.656.3679
AUV Underwater Virtual World ftp://taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil/pub/auv/auv.html

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I hope I am not volating any of your new group/mailing list conventions 
by posting this. Anyway here it is.

You can also find it at http://www.ee.uts.edu.au/cfp/hip95.html

-------------


                            CALL FOR PAPERS

                       Second International Workshop on
                   High Performance Protocol Architectures

                              HIPPARCH '95

                   Sydney (AUSTRALIA), December 11-12, 1995


	A workshop organised by University of Technology, Sydney within the 
	context of an Australian European Collaboration project sponsored 
	by CEC DG XIII and the Australian Bilateral Science and Technology
        Program.



OBJECTIVE AND SCOPE

The aim of the HIPPARCH workshop is to evaluate high performance 
techniques for the implementation of communication subsystems,
especially the use of "Application Level Framing" and "Integrated 
Layer Processing" concepts. It will also be used to present the
results of the HIPPARCH project, and will thus provide an excellent
environment for dissemination of information for researchers working
in this area.

Topics of interest for which original research papers are solicited
include:
	Adaptable transmission control mechanisms
	Implementation techniques
	Experiences with ALF/ILP
	Tools and description languages for protocol implementation

In order to maximise the benefits of a workshop of this nature, we 
strongly encourage submission of papers which describe on-going 
research and of implementation experiences.


SUBMISSION

Extended abstract of approximately 1500 words plus position statement 
(including references to the current research in the field) may either be
submitted by electronic mail, in postscript format to :

                    	hipparch-workshop@ee.uts.edu.au
or
		    	HIPPARCH Workshop Secretary,
			School of Electrical Engineering
			University of Technology, Sydney
			POBox 123,
			Broadway,
			NSW 2007
			AUSTRALIA

			
Selected papers from the Workshop will be invited to be submitted to 
the Australian Computer Journal.



IMPORTANT DATES

Abstract due :			15 October, 1995
Acceptance Notification : 	15 November, 1995
Final Paper Submission :	1 December 1995



ORGANISERS

Organisation Committee Co-chairmen :

Antony RICHARDS (CSIRO, Australia) antony@ee.uts.edu.au
Ranil De Silva  (UTS, Australia)    ranil@ee.uts.edu.au

Organisation Secretary :

Hyunsoo Cho
School of Electrical Engineering,
University of Technology, Sydney,
POBox 123,
Broadway,
NSW 2007,
AUSTRALIA	Telephone: +61 2 330 2403
		Fax: +61 2 330 2435
		email: hscho@ee.uts.edu.au

PROGRAM COMMITTEE

Program Committee Co-chairmen :

Per GUNNINGBERG (Uppsala University, Sweden)
Aruna SENEVIRATNE (UTS, Australia)

Program Committee Members

Larry PETERSON (University of Arizona, USA)
Martina ZITTERBART (Technical University of Braunschweig, Germany)
Terry PERCIVAL (CSIRO, Australia)
David HUTCHINSON (University of Lancaster, UK)
Tatsuya SUDA (University of California, Irvine, USA)
Behcet SARIKAYA (University of Aizu, Japan)
Christian HUITEMA (INRIA, France)
Jon CROWCROFT (University College London, UK)
Michael FRY (University of Technology, Sydney, Australia)


VENUE

The workshop will be held at the Markets Campus of the University of
Technology, Sydney.  This lies at the southern end of Sydney's Central 
Business District.  It is also adjacent to Darling Harbour, which is 
recognised as one of the major urban renewal projects
of the last decade.  Darling Harbour consists of parks,
shopping malls and entertainment areas, as well as hotels.

SYDNEY

Contemporary Sydney was established when the first European
settlers landed at Sydney Cove on the 26th of January 1788.
Since then it has grown to be Australia's largest
city.  It is the gateway to Australia, serviced by
daily flights from Europe, USA and East Asia.

Sydney lies on a beautiful harbour.  There are many 
surfing and non-surfing beaches within easy reach
of the city, while the foreshores provide a most pleasant 
environment. Other attractions are within close proximity 
to Sydney, including some fine examples of Australia's "bush".
Sydney is also an ideal springboard to other Australian
destinations, such as the Great Barrier Reef and
the Central Australian outback, that may be explored
pre and post conference.

For more information on Australia refer to the 
http://www.csu.edu.au/education/australia.html.

December is a great time to visit Sydney.  It is early
summer, with average temperatures of 23C.

==============================================================
If interested in HIPPARCH '95, return the following information by e.mail or 
mail to anyone of the program chairmen :

[] I intend to make a submission to HIPPARCH '95 ; the provisional title is : 
..............................................................................

the list of authors is .......................................................



[] I do not intend to make a submission to HIPPARCH '95 but I am interested to 
receive the program of HIPPARCH '95.

First and Last names : .......................................................

Title : ................... Affiliation : ....................................

Address : ....................................................................
..............................................................................

Tel. : ......................... Fax. : ........................... 
E.mail : ..........................................................


RELATED EVENT

Please not that IFIP Upper Layer Protocols Architectures, and Applications
Conference will be held directly after the HIPPARCH workshop at the same venue.
Information about IFIP ULPAA can be obtained from
http://www.ee.uts.edu.au/ifip/ULPAA95.html


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Today, the University of Minnesota will be cutting the ribbon on its new
Laboratory for Computational Science and Engineering in a ceremony to be 
broadcast live from 1430-1500, CST.

The software that will be used is VIC and VAT and the title will be
    UofM: LCS&E Ribbon Cutting

In case of questions/problems/conflicts with this broadcast, please 
contact:

Joe Habermann / Laboratory for Computation Science and Engineering
haberman@lcse.umn.edu / (612) 625-2859

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On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Joe Habermann wrote:

> Today, the University of Minnesota will be cutting the ribbon on its new
> Laboratory for Computational Science and Engineering in a ceremony to be 
> broadcast live from 1430-1500, CST.
> 
> The software that will be used is VIC and VAT and the title will be
>     UofM: LCS&E Ribbon Cutting
> 

joe,

as bill fenner noted earlier in the week, you would be well advised to be
more specific with the video format you will be using when
creating/modifying the session via sd.  to quote bill: 

> This is why it is *extremely* important to get your sd advertisement right; if
> you don't, there is a 50% chance that you will get an odd port and will have
> this potential confusion.  If you are going to transmit anything other than
> nv-format video using vic, then *PLEASE* make sure that your sd advertisement
> has the proper "fmt:" entry.

`vic' should be listed as one of the video formats available assuming the
proper changes were made to your .sd.tcl: 

	set sd_menu(video) "fmt: vic nv ivs jpg picwin"

dsc


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Subject: CFP - Workshop on Enterprise Networking
X-Bulletin: friends interested in Enterprise Networking


Dear Friends and Colleagues:

Attached herewith is the CFP of the 1st IEEE international

workshop on Enterprise Networking. I would appreciate

if you could kindly post it in your organization and/or

circulate it among your peers, colleagues, students and

friens who could be interested in Enterprise Networking.

Thank you all in advance.

(you may receive this CFP more than once if your
internet address appears in multiple news group
or exploder lists; sorry about this)

		 Bhumip.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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	FIRST INTERNATIONAL IEEE WORKSHOP ON
		ENTERPRISE NETWORKING
	in Conjunction with ICC/SUPERCOMM '96
     		   Dallas, Tx, USA

=========================================================
		CALL FOR PARTICIPATION
=========================================================

This is the first International workshop on Enterprise 
Networking (EN) sponsored by the IEEE Communications 
Society's Technical Committee on Enterprise Networking. 
It attempts to bring together the EN service providers, 
corporate network managers, technicians, and operation 
personnel in informal environment, so that they can 
exchange their ideas and view points with peers and 
experts standing on the same platform. The goal is to 
bridge the gap across: (i) Enterprise-wide business 
drivers and (ii) Technology-driven solutions and enablers.

Attendees will be benefitted by EXCHANGING their ideas on 
future directions of ENs in an informal environment with 
the professionals in varieties of areas (e.g., service 
providers, implementors) of ENs. They will also be able to 
SHARPEN their competitive edge by actively participating
in the presentations and interacting with the internationally 
recognized experts on ENs.


The purposes of this single-track one-day workshop are to:

(1) Present the  current view of the researchers, vendors, 
	implementors, computing and telecommunications service 
	providers, operators, and users. 
(2) Provide the attendees with the future directions of growth 
	of the ENs. For example, how the standardization and 
	interoperability issues can be resolved, how the 
	emerging technologies like ATM, PCS, full-duplex LAN 
	services, etc. can be exploited to help the evolution 
	of the ENs, and
(3) Show how the integration and interplays of ENs with the 
	Internets and the information superhighways are going to 
	create a really open universe, and how the billing and 
	security issues can be handled in such scenarios.
(4) Explore the principles and problems underlying the design, 
	deployment, management and operations of ENs.


Presentations are being planned in the following FOUR themes, 
and hence papers covering these areas are explicitly solicited
and will be given preference:
	o Experience with and Current Challenges of the ENs
	o Future Directions of Growth of the ENs, 
	o Integration of ENs with Emerging Technologies/Services, 
	o Outsourcing the Operations, Management and Design of ENs.

Please submit FOUR copies of summary (maximum 15 double-spaced 
pages excluding figures) of technical contribution mentioning 
the target theme to the organizing chair at the following address. 

        Bhumip Khasnabish
        Lab. 5, Mail Stop: 262
        Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
        3500 Carling Avenue
        P. O. Box: 3511, Station C
        Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1Y 4H7.
        Tel: +1 613 763 2698
        Fax: +1 613 763 2626
        Internet: bhumip@bnr.ca

All contributions will be peer-reviewed and the accepted ones will 
be published in the proceedings of the workshop. Attendance to this 
workshop may be limited to 150 participants with preference given 
to those who 'submitted' or 'have accepted' contribution(s) to this
workshop. The schedule (almost final) for this workshop is as follows:
 
Deadline for Submission: ............. 15-th September, 1995.
Acceptance Notification: ............. 1st   January, 1996.
Presentation Materials (10 pages) Due: 1st    March,  1996.


PROGRAM COMMITTEE:
-------------------

Program Chair:
...............
Bhumip Khasnabish (BNR, Canada)
        Internet:bhumip@bnr.ca

ComSoc Co-Ordinator:
.....................
Tom Stevenson (IEEE ComSoc HQ)
        Internet:t.stevenson@ieee.org

Committee Members:
...................
Majid Ahmadi (U of Windsor, Canada)
 	Internet:ahmadi@engn.uwindsor.ca 
Salah Aidarous (BNR, Canada)
        Internet:aidarous@bnr.ca
Robert S. Braudy (DMW Group, USA) 
        Internet:braudyb@aol.com
Bob Fike (RNF Systems, USA)
        Internet:rlfike@aol.com
David Kirsch (SunNetworks, USA)
        Internet:david.kirsch@east.sun.com
Ken Lutz (BellCore, USA)
	kjl@bellcore.com
Branislav Meandzija (MetaAccess, USA)
        Internet:meandzij@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
Totumo Murase (NEC, Japan)
        Internet:murase@nwk.cl.nec.co.jp
Toshihiro Sikama (Mitsubishi, Japan)
        Internet:sikama@hat.hon.melco.co.jp
Karen Seo (BBN, USA)
        Internet:kseo@bbn.com
Douglas N. Zuckerman (AT&T, USA)
        Internet:w2xd@mrspock.mt.att.com
Steven Weinstein (NEC, USA)
        Internet:sbw@ccrl.nj.nec.com 

===================================================================

Thank you very much,

With all the best wishes and regards,
o---------------------------------------o
|Dr. Bhumip Khasnabish,                 |
|Lab. 5, Mail Stop: 262,                | 
|Bell-Northern Research Ltd.,           |
|3500 Carling Avenue,                   |
|P. O. Box: 3511, Station C,            | 
|Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1Y 4H7.      |  
|.......................................|
|Tel:  +1 613 763 2698                  |
|Fax:  +1 613 763 2626                  |
|Home: +1 613 596 6948                  |
|Email: bhumip@bnr.ca                   |
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> From jimbo@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu Thu Jun  1 11:13:57 1995
> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:12:58 -0400 (EDT)
	Sent to the -request address...

> From: Jim Bogard BIX <jimbo@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu>
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> RAPID SYSTEM VIRTUAL PROTOTYPING  (Internet Video) SYMPOSIUM
>                          (Simulation and Synthetic Environments)
> 
> The Rapid System Virtual Prototyping Symposium held this month at
> The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory will be telecast
> on Internet (including video) on the following dates:
> 
>           June 5, 1995  (Sessions 1 and 2)
>                12:00 noon - 3:50 p.m. U.S. Eastern Standard Time
>           June 6, 1995   (Sessions 3 and 4)
>                1:00 p.m. - 3:45 p.m. U.S. EST
>                
>           June 8, 1995 (Sessions 1 and 2)
>                8:00 a.m. - 11:50 a.m. Greenwich Mean Time
>           June 9, 1995 (Sessions 3 and 4)
>                8:00 a.m. - 10:45 a.m. GMT
> 
> 
> INTENDED AUDIENCE: System engineers**     Software designers**
>     Prototype technology managers**    Interdisciplinary teams**
>     Synthetic environment developers
> 
> Recent advances in RSVP technologies enable system designers to rapidly
> conceptualize, develop, and visualize complex synthetic environments.  This
> can greatly leverage and accelerate the rate of Prototype development for
> both defense and commercial systems.
> 
> Sponsored by The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
> 
> In cooperation with:
> IEEE - United States Activities
> IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Simulation
> IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Computer Graphics
> IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Design Automation
> The National Council on Systems Engineering (NCOSE)
> The Society for Applied Learning Technology (SALT)
> 
> General Chair: Paul Hazan, The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics 
> Laboratory
> 
> Program Co-Chairs:
>      Ken Anderson, Consultant
>      Walter Beam, Consultant
>      Nahum Gershon, The MITRE Corporation
>      Lawrence Rosenblum, Naval Research Laboratory
>      Stanley Winkler, Consultant
> 
> *************************************************************************
> *             TO CONNECT YOUR WORKSTATION:
> *
> *  You must have an audio-capable workstation (SPARC, SGI, HP,
> *  DEC) with IP multicast software added to the operating system.
> *  You must also be connected to the virtual IP multicast network
> *  (MBONE), including your network service provider.  More
> *   information about the MBONE, including what hardware and
> *  software is required to receive this multicast, is available via
> *  anonymous FTP from venera.isi.edu in the file mbone/faq.txt.
> 
> ************************************************************************
> 
>                PROGRAM
> 
> June 5, 1995  (Sessions 1 and 2)        or        June 8, 1995 (Sessions 1 
> and 2)
> 12:00 noon - 3:50 p.m. U.S. EST         8:00 a.m. - 11:50 a.m. GMT
> 
> SESSION 1:  INTRODUCTION
> *************
>    (June 5th - 12:00 noon-12:30 pm EST)  or  (June 8th - 3:00 am- 3:30 am 
> GMT)
> 
> (10 min)  "WELCOME AND INTRODUCTION," Gary Smith, Director, JHU/APL
> 
> (10 min)  "RSVP, CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES," Paul Hazan, JHU/APL
> 
> (10 min)  "RAPID PROTOTYPING IN EDUCATION," Nathaniel Macon, Society
>           for Applied Learning Technology
> 
> *************************************************************************
> *                 SUBMIT YOUR QUESTIONS TO SPEAKERS VIA E-MAIL:
> *
> *                        rsvp@jhuapl.edu
> *
> *                                       Specify Session +S_+ and Paper +P_+
> *         ------------------------------------------------------------------  
>  --
> *
> *   A continuing RSVP Symposium Question and Answer Dialogue will be
> *   posted on an electronic bulletin board for the next 3 weeks.  To access
> *   the RSVP bulletin board type:  http://www.jhuapl.edu/rsvp
> *
> ************************************************************************
> 
> 
> SESSION 2: [S2: (P1-P6)]  TOOLS AND SYSTEMS APPLICATIONS
> **************
>     (June 5th - 12:30 pm -3:50 pm EST)   or  (June 8th - 3:30 am- 6:50 am 
> GMT)
> 
> (10 min)  INTRODUCTION TO SESSION 2,+ Stanley Winkler, The Winkler Group, 
> and
> Ken Anderson, Consultant
> 
> (25 min)  P1 - "VIRTUAL REALITY, TELEPRESENCE SURGERY AND THE NEW WORLD 
> ORDER OF MEDICINE," Shaun Jones, Advanced Research Projects Agency
> 
> (25 min)  P2 - "RSVP - THE BOEING 777 AND FLYTHRU," Bob Abarbanel, Boeing 
> Computer Services
> 
> (25 min)  P3 - "A NEW TOOL FOR RAPID DEVELOPMENT OF VIRTUAL REALITY 
> SYSTEMS," Tom Coull, Sense8 Corporation
> 
>                     BREAK (10 min)
> 
> (25 min)  P4 - "ACCELERATING THE AIRPORT PLANNING PROCESS THROUGH REAL-TIME 
> INTERACTIVE SIMULATION," Steven Collins, Lockheed Martin
> 
> (25 min)  P5 - "DISTRIBUTED VIRTUAL PROTOTYPING," Stephan Haas, Fraunhofer 
> Center for Research and Computer Graphic
> 
> (25 min)  P6 - "RAPID PROTOTYPING - THE WORLD WIDE WEB," Steve Heibein, 
> Silicon Graphics Inc.
> 
> *************************************************************************        
>                             ****  PANEL ****
>                              (30 minutes)
> ************************************************************************
> 
> *************************************************************************
> *                 SUBMIT YOUR QUESTIONS TO SPEAKERS VIA E-MAIL:
> *
> *                        rsvp@jhuapl.edu
> *
> *                                       Specify Session +S_+ and Paper +P_+
> *         ------------------------------------------------------------------  
>  --
> *
> *   A continuing RSVP Symposium Question and Answer Dialogue will be
> *   posted on an electronic bulletin board for the next 3 weeks.  To access
> *   the RSVP bulletin board type: http://www.jhuapl.edu/rsvp
> *
> ************************************************************************
> 
> June 6, 1995   (Sessions 3 and 4)      or         June 9, 1995 (Sessions 3 
> and 4)
> 1:00 p.m. - 3:45 p.m. U.S. EST          8:00 a.m. - 10:45 a.m. GMT
>                
> SESSION 3: [S3 (P1-P4)]  EDUCATION AND TRAINING
> **************
>      (June 6th - 1:00 pm-2:40 pm EST)    or  (June 9th - 3:00 am- 4:40 am 
> GMT)
> 
> (25 min)  P1 - "MULTIMEDIA IN NAVY TACTICAL TRAINING," Paul Frey, Search 
> Technology
> 
> (25 min)  P2 - "RAPID SOFTWARE: VIRTUAL PRODUCT SIMULATION FOR PROTOTYPING 
> AND TRAINING," Meir Morag, Emultek, Inc.
> 
> (25 min)  P3 - "USING THE INTERNET TO PROTOTYPE NEW PARADIGMS IN EDUCATION," 
> Mark Pullen, George Mason University
> 
> (25 min)  P4 - "RSVP IN MEDICAL EDUCATION AND DIAGNOSTIC EVALUATION," Justin 
> Pearlman, Harvard Medical School
> 
> SESSION 4:  [S4 (P1 - P3)]  CRITICAL ISSUES FOR CURRENT THOUGHT
> **************
>      (June 6th - 2:40 pm-3:45 pm EST)    or  (June 9th - 4:40 am-5:45 am 
> GMT)
> 
> (25 min)  P1 - "SYSTEM LIFE CYCLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RSVP," Walter Beam,
> The Beam Group
> 
> (25 min)  P2 - "INTELLIGENT DIGITAL LIBRARIES: PUTTING THE USER IN THE 
> DRIVER'S SEAT," Nahum Gershon, The MITRE Corporation
> 
> (15 min)  P3 - "SUMMARY AND FUTURE DIRECTIONS," Paul Hazan, JHU/APL
> 
> *************************************************************************
> *                 FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS
> *    SYMPOSIUM, CONTACT:  Ms. Lois Craig
> *             (301) 953-5365 or E-mail: lcraig@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
> *
> ************************************************************************
> 
> *************************************************************************
> *             TO CONNECT YOUR WORKSTATION:
> *
> *  You must have an audio-capable workstation (SPARC, SGI, HP,
> *  DEC) with IP multicast software added to the operating system.
> *  You must also be connected to the virtual IP multicast network
> *  (MBONE), including your network service provider.  More
> *   information about the MBONE, including what hardware and
> *  software is required to receive this multicast, is available via
> *  anonymous FTP from venera.isi.edu in the file mbone/faq.txt.
> 
> ************************************************************************
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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The BayLISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to systems
and network administrators.  The meetings are free and open to the public.

BayLISA holds monthly meetings on the third Thursday of each month at
7:30 PM PST.  We meet at Synopsys Building C in Mountain View, California
off Highway 237 at Middlefield.  This meeting will also be broadcast via MBONE.


Schedule
--------

June 15: Brian Pawlaski on NFS V3

Brian will describe the NFS V3 protocol, starting with some background
and history of NFS, and then describe the NFS Version 3 design,
implementation and performance.  He will describe changes to the user
interface for the mount command, how a V3 client works with both a V2
and V3 server, etc.


July 20: Glen Kohler on Ergonomics

August 17: Brent Chapman on firewalls

(Schedule subject to revision)

To get further information on the meeting location, you can request it
>from the majordomo server on baylisa.org, you can ftp it from

	ftp.baylisa.org:/BayLISA/location

or you can query the BayLISA mail server by cutting and pasting
the following line to your shell:

	echo "index baylisa" | mail majordomo@baylisa.org

BayLISA makes video tapes of the meetings available to members.  For more
information on available videos, please send email to:

	video@baylisa.org

For any other information, please send email to:

	info@baylisa.org

If you have any questions, please contact me or any of the info
alias listed above.




--- End of forwarded mail from <deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> ("Laura de Leon")


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Subject: VIC on the SGI
To: rem-conf@es.net
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I am asking this quesiton on the behalf of someone else.  The person
is running VIC on the SGI and told me that some modes, such as the NV mode,
is not working?  Any ideas?  Thanks.

Mandel Yu
mandami@lleand.stanford.edu

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fair@apple.com (Erik E. Fair  , Internet Architect) writes:
> 
> Personally, my bias is to dump all mailing lists into netnews, so that
> list maintenance issues go away. Of course, that does not deal with
> access control or limited distribution issues.

This is a particularly interesting place to bring that up: we happen
to gate both MBONE and rem-conf using the INN newsgate from r$.
Cross-posts between these two lists are reasonably common.  The
problem here is that when a post arrives from the second of the
cross-posted lists, INN barfs because it has already seen the
Message-ID in question.  The suggested solutions I've seen for this
are gross hacks, but I'll probably end up grafting one into newsgate
sooner or later.

Say, you'd mentioned you were thinking of writing your own gating
package.  Done yet?  ;-)
-- 
Dan Mosedale                                    Systems Exorcist
dmose@netscape.com                              Netscape Communications Corp.

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From: knightly@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Edward W. Knightly)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 10:22:12 PDT
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Subject: mpeg traces and papers available

We have several frame-size traces of MPEG-compressed video and related
papers available for anonymous ftp at:

ftp://tenet.berkeley.edu/pub/dbind

There is a "traces" directory and a "papers" directory.  The "traces"
directory has two 10-minute and two 90-minute traces as described in
the README file below. The bibliography for the "papers" directory is
contained in a README file in that directory.

			Ed Knightly
			

----------------------------------------------------------------------
tenet.berkeley.edu:~ftp/pub/dbind/traces/README
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The MPEG 1 traces advertisements.t and lecture.t are coded with the
UCB software coder.  The streams are 10 minutes long at 30 fps with a
160x120 frame size.  The file advertisements.t is a sequence of
advertisements for graphics products (showing morphing, etc.) and
lecture.t is a recording of a lecture showing the speaker (full body
and motion) and his slides along with zooming and panning.

The traces pbride.t and cnn.t are 90 minutes long with a frame size of
320x240 and a frame rate of 30 fps.  These two traces are obtained
>from a Futuretel hardware coder.  This coder uses variable distortion
coding so that during a high-action or colorful scene, the picture
quality is lowered so that the coder can maintain its target rate
which in this case is 1.2 Mbps. The file cnn.t is CNN news including
commercials, and pbride.t is the movie Princess Bride.

The file format is a text file with frame number followed by frame
size in bits. The frame pattern is IBBPBB for the UCB sequences and
IBBPBBPBBPBBPBB for the Futuretel sequences.


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Subject: CellB decoder...


We are looking for a software decoder for a video stream which has been
encoded using Sun's cellB video format.
Is it possible to use vic to take a cellb encoded file and display it ??
or is there any other tool to do that ???

Thanks

Vivek..



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Anyone using multicast in Ultrix 4.4?

Does anyone know if the Ultrix 4.2a multicast kernel hacks can be
used with 4.4??  I think I used them with 4.3a, but I can't recall.

thanks


******************************************************************************
brad@strauss.udel.edu    *   Brad Cain				         N3NAF
cain@ee.udel.edu         *   University of Delaware Electrical Engineering '95
PGP key via finger    	 *   ---Comp. Sci/Signals/Communications/Networking---

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Dear Sir/Madam,

I have submitted the request to the MBONE conference submission WWW page
already, but I would like to confirm to you.

We want to start the following sessions:

Date:	Friday, June 23, 1995
Time:	8:00 EDT to 5:00 EDT
Sessions: IEVE-Video-Test
	  IEVE-Audio-Test
	  IEVE-WB-Test
Contact:  jfwang@vislab.epa.gov
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a
	three-day conference sponsored by USEPA, please read http://www.epa.gov
	/Press.html for more detailed information. This is a test session.

Duration: 7:00 EDT, June 26, 1995 to 14:00 EDT, June 28, 1995
Sessions: IEVE-Video
	  IEVE-Audio
	  IEVE-WB
Contact:  jfwang@vislab.epa.gov
Description:	International Environmental Visualization Exposition (IEVE) is
a
	three-day conference sponsored by USEPA, please read http://www.epa.gov
	/Press.html for more detailed information.

If you have any question, please do not hesitate to contact me.  This is the
first time we've broadcasted a conference inside EPA, please be tolerant our
shortcoming/mistakes, etc.

Thanks for cooperation

Jeff

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Subject: cfp - ASSETS'96

Call For Participation                             Call For Participation
=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=                             =--=--=--=--=--=--=--=


                                  ASSETS'96

                            The  2nd  ACM/SIGCAPH
                   Conference  on  Assistive  Technologies

                   -=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=-

                              April 11-12, 1996
                         Vancouver Renaissance Hotel
                              Vancouver, Canada



   Sponsored by the ACM's Special Interest Group on Computers and the
   Physically Handicapped, ASSETS'96 will be the second in a new series
   of conferences whose goal is to provide a forum where researchers and
   developers, from academia and industry, can meet to exchange ideas
   and report on new developments relating to computer-based systems to
   help people. The conference scope spans disabilities and special needs
   of all kinds, including but not limited to: sensory (hearing, vision);
   motor (orthopedic); cognitive (learning, speech, mental); and emotional.


   TECHNICAL PAPERS of the high quality expected at major ACM conferences
   should be up to 8 pages in length and may be of various kinds:

      (a) Presentation of original and significant research.
      (b) Results of relevant and rigorous empirical studies.
      (c) Description of the ``look and feel'' and discussion of the
             internal workings of an implemented system.

   Authors are encouraged to send a short VIDEOTAPE with their paper, if
   possible, to clarify and reinforce the concepts discussed. Papers must
   be set in 11 point type and formatted in two-column conference style.


   PANEL PROPOSALS up to 3 pages in length on timely and controversial
   topics are also welcome. These submissions should be formatted like a
   technical paper, and will if accepted be included in the conference
   proceedings. They should include:

      (a) An introduction by the organizer/moderator.
      (b) Position statements from each panelist.
      (c) Brief biographical sketches of all participants.


   ALL SUBMISSIONS WILL BE REFEREED, and no more will be accepted than
   can be comfortably presented in a single track (no parallel sessions).
   Authors of accepted papers will be required to prepare an electronic
   version for the on-line conference proceedings which will supplement
   the traditional printed volume. Some authors will also be asked to
   submit an electronic version of their paper for review purposes prior
   to acceptance, in ASCII or other human-readable format.


   Send 7 copies of full papers along with 2 copies of any accompanying
   videos, and 4 copies of panel proposals, to the Program Chair:

                                David L. Jaffe
                   Dept. of Veteran Affairs Medical Center
                     3801 Miranda Avenue - Mail Stop 153
                              Palo Alto CA 94304


   ========================================================================
   All submissions must be received no later than Tuesday, OCTOBER 17, 1995
   ========================================================================


   QUESTIONS regarding submissions should be directed to the Program Chair;
   for information regarding registration or other matters, please contact
   the General Chair. Here's how to reach these people:

   Program Chair: David L. Jaffe       via phone: (415) 493 5000, ext 4480
                                       via fax:   (415) 493 4919
                                       via Email: jaffe@roses.stanford.edu

   General Chair: Ephraim P. Glinert   via phone: (518) 276 2657
                                       via fax:   (518) 276 4033
                                       via Email: glinert@cs.rpi.edu


   BONUS: Plan now to attend two key conferences for the price of a single
   air ticket! ASSETS'96 will immediately precede CHI'96, which will take
   place in Vancouver on April 13-18, 1996. See you in Vancouver, Canada's
   jewel of the northwest!


   =--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=



                              General   Chair:
                              =--=--=--=--=--=
           Ephraim P. Glinert, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

                             Program  Committee:
                             =--=--=--=--=--=--=
           David L. Jaffe (Chair), VA Medical Center, Palo Alto

      Meera M. Blattner,  LLNL and University of California at Davis
                 Julie Baca, Waterways Experiment Station
                          James L. Caldwell, IBM
           Alireza Darvishi, University of Zurich (Switzerland)
                 Patrick Demasco,  University of Delaware
              Alistair D.N. Edwards, University of York (UK)
                           Gerald L. Engel, NSF
                 Harriet J. Fell, Northeastern University
                       Carl Friedlander,  ISX Corp.
                        Ralph Guertin, MITRE Corp.
                   Robert J.K. Jacob,  Tufts University
               Earl Johnson,  Sun Microsystems Laboratories
             Arthur I. Karshmer,  New Mexico State University
                  R. Benjamin Knapp, Stanford University
               Richard E. Ladner,  University of Washington
             Clayton Lewis, University of Colorado at Boulder
           Elizabeth D. Mynatt, Georgia Institute of Technology
         David W. Patmore, University of California at Santa Cruz
              Helen Petrie, University of Hertfordshire (UK)
                T.V. Raman,  DEC Cambridge Research Center
                      Richard D. Steele, Tolfa Corp.
                        Jim Thatcher, IBM Research
                      A. Rudy Vener,  AT&T Bell Labs
                   Nicole Yankelovich, Sun Microsystems

                                 Treasurer:
                                 =--=--=--=
                          David H. Leserman, NOAA

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the standard video tool for mbone, nv, has a sun CellB setting.
you can find that at parcftp.xerox.com/pub/net-research/

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On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Vivek Bansal wrote:

> 
> We are looking for a software decoder for a video stream which has been
> encoded using Sun's cellB video format.
> Is it possible to use vic to take a cellb encoded file and display it ??
> or is there any other tool to do that ???
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Vivek..
> 
> 
> 






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Due to a number of issues, the sessions from the Interactive Media 
Festival scheduled for this week are cancelled.  We are running locally 
for gallery visitors, but unfortunately we will not be able to broadcast 
>from my robots this time.

Please excuse any inconveniences due to this change in the schedule.

Ken Feingold



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Hi !

I'm currently working on the WWW synchronous collaboration
over MBone.

Where can I find sd source ?
I can't find it <ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/conferencing/sd/>

Thanks in advance.
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   We would like to reserve the following times on the MBONE for panel
discussions at the Congress of Neurological Surgeons 1995 Annual Meeting:
   Mon  10/16/95    7:30 AM - 12:30 PM (mostly viewing)
                   10:15 - 11:15 AM  PST (?PDT) (active discussion)
   Tues 10/17/95    2:00 PM - 6:00 PM (mostly viewing)
                    2:50 - 3:10 PM,  4:50-5:30 PM PST (?PDT) (active discussion)
   Wed  10/18/95    7:30 AM - 12:30 PM (mostly viewing)
                   11:20 AM - 12:00 PM  PST (?PDT) (active discussion)

   The sites will be:
       Moscone Center, San Francisco, CA
       London 
       Tokyo or Nagoya
       Chapel Hill 

At the moment we plan to use ShowMe as the conferencing tool set.

============================================================================
Paul Jones  Paul_Jones@unc.edu  NEW voice:(919) 962-5643  fax:(919) 962-5664
                  Office FOR Information Technology  
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<a href="http://sunsite.unc.edu/pjones/"> My other office has a window </a>




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Subject: FINAL announcement: IMMI-1


IMMI-1
First International Workshop on Intelligence and Multimodality in
Intelligent Interfaces

Thursday 13th July -- Friday 14th July 1995
Human Communication Research Centre and EdCAAD Research Unit
University of Edinburgh, Scotland, UK

Registration is still available for a limited number of discussants to
join the IMMI-1 Workshop.  Participants with experience of practical
applications in this area, especially in an industrial context, are
particularly encouraged.  The Workshop will be held in Edinburgh City
Chambers.  Further information, including registration forms, details of
accommodation, and the complete Workshop Programme, may be found at

	http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~john/IMMI/

or by enquiry to John Lee at HCRC (address below).

Apologies to those who receive this FINAL announcement more than once.

IMMI-1 is supported by the British HCI Group, AAAI, ACL Sigmedia and BT.

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    What:  Severe Tire Damage Concert
    Date:  7-Jun-95
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    From:  The Fabulous SubForum (nee Garage)
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Tonight we celebrate the return of Mark Manasse to Severe Tire Damage 
with yet another pointless attempt at self-promotion aimed at proving 
that the information super highway has more than on-ramps, speed 
bumps, tollbooths, and policers of good taste.

No word on the remote camera control yet.

See you there!

Lance Berc
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Still image grabbing:
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STD info:
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[My sincere apologies if you get multiple copies of this email: Amit]

The two announcements:

1. Source code of Tenet Real-Time Protocol Suite 1 available!!
2. New Tenet Group document available

====================================================================
The Tenet Group at UC Berkeley and ICSI announces the availability
of the source code of its Real-Time Protocol Suite 1. The suite
consists of three protocols (RMTP and RTIP for data delivery, RCAP
for guaranteed-performance channel establishment and teardown), which
have been designed to coexist with the Internet protocols. The source
code can be freely used for educational and research purposes without
a license; its commercial exploitation requires obtaining a license
>from the Regents of the University of California, who own the copyright
to it. While RCAP runs in user mode, RMTP and RTIP are part of the
kernel; the code being distributed can be used on Ultrix 4.2A, Irix
4.0.5f, and BSD/OS 2.0. An OSF-1 version is in preparation.
The code is still being tested, and is therefore distributed as is,
without any promises it will run in your environment. It can be obtained
at URL:
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Licensing and installation information is included in the READ_ME file
that accompanies the code of the protocols.
For any questions or comments, please send e-mail to:
	suite1-comments@tenet.cs.berkeley.edu

====================================================================

The Tenet Group at UC Berkeley and ICSI has issued the Spring 1995
edition of an 11-page document that describes its current work in the
area of real-time (i.e., guaranteed-performance) communication in
packet-switching internetworks and continuous-media networking
applications.

The document can be obtained through the World Wide Web at URL
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======================================================================



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 Not sure where to send this question, but I was hoping you could help 
 out... We're running a SparcStation 10 with Solaris 2.3 here... I've 
 managed to download and compile vat, sd, nv, and wb... In addition, I've 
 managed to get mrouted compiled... Unfortunately, when I try to run it, 
 it gives me an error...:
 
 debug level 3
 mrouted version 2.2
 installing le0 (128.238.10.34 on subnet 128.238.10) as vif #0
 installing le1 (128.238.14.1 on subnet 128.238.14) as vif #1
 Bus Error (core dumped)
 
 I was wondering what I'm doing wrong... Can anyone give me any advice
 as to what I should do to remedy the situation...??
 Thanks a lot...
 Alex Hernandez...
 
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Subject: A/V conferencing at Trinity University (San Antonio, Texas)


Anybody know of anyone at "Trinity University (San Antonio, Texas)"
doing mbone, cuseeme, or any other form of audio video conferencing?
One of our administrators here would like to set up a conferencing
session with a counterpart there, and we were wondering if a possible
source at that location could volunteer their set up for a brief
period.

If you know of anyone at that location, please drop me a not.

Thanks!

-h
---
Harpal Chohan
ATS
The Ohio State University



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On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Charlie wrote:

> 
>  Not sure where to send this question, but I was hoping you could help 

probably mbone@isi.edu would be a better choice than rem-conf, but now
that you're here... :)

>  out... We're running a SparcStation 10 with Solaris 2.3 here... I've 
>  managed to download and compile vat, sd, nv, and wb... In addition, I've 
>  managed to get mrouted compiled... Unfortunately, when I try to run it, 
>  it gives me an error...:
>  
>  debug level 3
>  mrouted version 2.2
>  installing le0 (128.238.10.34 on subnet 128.238.10) as vif #0
>  installing le1 (128.238.14.1 on subnet 128.238.14) as vif #1
>  Bus Error (core dumped)

grab and apply the following patch

  ftp://ftp.css.gov/pub/dsc/mrouted.solaris2.3.pch.Z

which can also be found in the UK archive

  ftp://ftp.ucs.ed.ac.uk/mice/videoconference/mrouted/mrouted.solaris2.3.pch.Z

this patch fixes an alignment problem and removes the dependency on the
bsd compatibility libraries under solaris 2.3. 

dsc


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Cc: rem-conf <rem-conf@es.net>, Mimi Zohar <zohar@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Porting to AIX
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Mimi at IBM would really like to port the mbone tools to Aix and get more 
info on the sd api. Emails to the authors have been to no avail.

Could someone please assist Mimi, who truly wants to bring enlightenment
and multicast to big blue? 

- Mike

Mike Macedonia | macedonia@cs.nps.navy.mil
MAJ, USA       | CS Dept, Naval Postgraduate School,
               | Monterey, CA 93943
               | PH:(408) 656-2903  FAX:(408) 656-2814
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Hi,

We will be doing a demonstration of remote experimentation capabilities
which will include a videoconferencing session.  We need to broadcast
during the following slots:

     Dates:   June 18, 19 and 21, 1995
     Times:   June 18, 8:00 - 17:00 CST
              June 19, 8:00 - 14:00 CST
              June 21, 8:00 - 17:00 CST
     Sessions:  ALS-demo-video1  - (vic- format not yet decided)
                ALS-demo-video2  - (vic- very low rate video)
                ALS-demo-audio   - (vat)

Contact: DAAgarwal@lbl.gov
Description:  We will be demonstrating remote monitoring of an
experiment as it is conducted at the Advanced Light Source here
at LBL.  The session will be between Argonne National Lab and 
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory its ttl will be set appropriately.

If you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact me.  The
session is intended to be private between the two end-point sites
and if needed can be conducted using unicast communication.
Thank you,
Deb Agarwal

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I've been asked to broadcast
        The Third International Conference on
        Intelligent Systems for Molecular Biology

on the 16th - 19th July 1995.

Information for this is on
        URL ftp://ftp.icnet.uk/icrf-public/ismb/ismb95.html


Any questions about the broadcast please mail
hopkins@icrf.icnet.uk

John Hopkins
Network Manager

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I'm resending this, because I didn't receive it back from the mailer. Sorry
if some of you get it twice.
J.


On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, John Hopkins wrote:

> 
> 
> I've been asked to broadcast
>         The Third International Conference on
>         Intelligent Systems for Molecular Biology
> 
> on the 16th - 19th July 1995.
> 
> Information for this is on
>         URL ftp://ftp.icnet.uk/icrf-public/ismb/ismb95.html
> 
> 
> Any questions about the broadcast please mail
> hopkins@icrf.icnet.uk
> 
> John Hopkins
> Network Manager
> 

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	We would like to reserve the following timeslots for the
	multicast of the 10th SUPERCOMPUTER 95 in Mannheim, Germany.

	Thursday 06/22/95 13:00 - 15:30 GMT Opening Session
	Thursday 06/22/95 19:30 - 20:30 GMT SuParCup'95 Award Reception

	Sessions:  SuperComp 95  - (vic- format not yet decided, vat audio))
	Sessions:  SuperComp 95 WB (Whiteboard)

	For further information look at :

		http://parallel.rz.uni-mannheim.de/sc/sc95.html


				Thank you P.Heiligers

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I have been offering to do a port to SCO for the past year and have
also offerred to send them a free development system so they could
do the port, since they don't seem to want to release source in any
way.

I never even got a "No, thank you.  We're not interested" response.

I am always willing to give people who develop software available on the
net, more than the benefit of the doubt when communicating through email.
I know that i still get mail for software that i wrote and made available
4 years ago.  But I am sure they don't get that many offers from system
vendors like IBM and SCO to make their work available on these platforms.

Shawn

	From: Michael Macedonia <macedoni@cs.nps.navy.mil>
	
	Mimi at IBM would really like to port the mbone tools to Aix and get more 
	info on the sd api. Emails to the authors have been to no avail.
	
	Could someone please assist Mimi, who truly wants to bring enlightenment
	and multicast to big blue? 
	
	- Mike
	
	Mike Macedonia | macedonia@cs.nps.navy.mil
	MAJ, USA       | CS Dept, Naval Postgraduate School,
	               | Monterey, CA 93943
	               | PH:(408) 656-2903  FAX:(408) 656-2814
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Is there a faq or an ftp site to obtain technical documents on the
mbone and possibly a place to obtain the required binaries for Linux?



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It is time for an update on the status of RTP.  The IESG Last Call on
the question of publishing the Real-time Transport Protocol as a
Proposed Standard RFC was issued on 22 March 1995, so one might have
expected the process to be complete by now.  There have been a few
administrative delays, but no technical problems so far as I know.
I've been informed that the IESG vote should be completed by the time
of their next tele-meeting on June 22, or earlier by email.

Meanwhile, I have been prodding the authors of the auxilliary profile
and payload format documents to get them ready for submission for
their own Last Call.  Assuming that the approval and RFC editing time
for those will be less than for the main RTP spec, we should be able
to get them all published as RFCs at about the same time.

If any of you have comments on any wording in the RTP spec that should
be more clear, for example, or comments on the Audio/Video profile
draft (draft-ietf-avt-profile-04.txt, ps) or any of the video payload
format drafts, now would be a dandy time to send those comments to
this list or to me personally.  Thanks!
							-- Steve
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Greetings all,

It's a last minute lashup, but I think it's gonna work.

As you may have heard all over the media, Taiwan's President Lee is
speeking at Cornell today.  The speech starts at 3:00 EDT (1900 UTC).

We will make a best effort attempt to multicast the speech on the MBone
using nv and vat.  Apologies for the late notice, but this only came
together within the last couple hours.  Separate audio and video sessions
are now advertised in sd.  Hope for the best.  We aren't sourcing the
audio and video, we're picking up a feed from the campus media services,
so a/v quality will be unknown until we actually see it.

-Mitch Collinsworth
 Cornell Program of Computer Graphics

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help


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Argonne, in cooperation with other DOE sites, will be presenting a demo to
Undersecretary Curtis as well as a dry run on Monday and Wednesday, 19 and
21 June 1995.  We would like to broadcast that demo, with special attention
to clarity for DOE Headquarters.

     Dates:   June 19 and 21, 1995
     Times:   June 19, 10:00 - 14:00 CST        [Dry Run]
              June 21,  8:30 - 14:30 CST        [Actual Demo]
     Sessions:  Curtis-video - (vic- format not yet decided)
                Curtis-audio - (vat)

Contact: nickless@mcs.anl.gov,olson@mcs.anl.gov
Description:  We will be demonstrating various DOE computing and VR
applications revolving around remote collaboration.  The critical link
is between Argonne National Lab and DOE Headquarters.  The ttl will
be set appropriately for that purpose.
--
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Dear colleague:

  This  message  was  sent to some different mailing-lists: should you receive 
multiple copies of this call-for-papers, please accept my apologies. 
If  you  are  interested  in  it,   consider  submitting  papers  as  well  as 
redistributing  it  and,  if you  maintain  a list  of  call-for-papers,  also
advertising  it.   Other info  may be accessed in:  http://WWW.CE.UniPR.IT/rti

Best regards, Alberto Broggi

==============================================================================


                                CALL FOR PAPERS

                         JOURNAL OF REAL-TIME IMAGING
                                Academic Press

                               Special Issue on
              Special-Purpose Architectures for Real-Time Imaging


Nowadays, a number of different problems are solved through  image  processing 
techniques (e.g. industrial inspection, robot guidance, unmanned vehicles,...,
to  cite only a few examples). The problem of processing images  in  real-time 
has  been  generally  addressed and solved through the use of high-performance 
computer  systems,  developed  ad-hoc to meet the specific requirements of the
applications.  Serial or parallel architectures have been enhanced through the 
addition  of  various  bus systems, interprocessor communication networks, and 
other  features  explicitly  designed  to face the hard constraints imposed by
real-time  processing,  such  as  I/O  (data  acquisition  and  output),  data 
communications among processors (in multi-processor systems),...

A  number  of  different special-purpose architectures for image analysis have 
been proposed  and  developed,  but  seldom  the  presentation  focuses on the 
discussion  of  both  the  hard  real-time requirements (applications) and the 
hardware solutions which have been chosen (computer architectures).


The TOPICS of this Special Issue include, but are not limited to:

* Design of application-specific VLSI architectures;
* Performance analysis and comparison among different architectural solutions;
* Hardware mapping of parallel algorithms;
* VLSI architectures for HDTV and image compression;
* Hardware support for multimedia systems;
* Vision-based real-time robot and vehicle navigation;
* Massively parallel architectures for low-level vision;
* Hardware neural solutions;
* Experience on highly demanding vision applications.


Prospective  authors are encouraged to submit papers with a strong emphasis on 
the  match  between  the application requirements and the chosen architectural 
solutions,  detailing the ad-hoc hardware enhancements. Papers should describe 
systems  which  have  been designed for a specific target application or which 
have proved to be particularly suited for a given task.


MANUSCRIPT SUBMISSION:

* Authors  should  send  5  copies of their full paper (about 15 double-spaced 
  pages) to Alberto Broggi (whose address is indicated below).
* The closing date for submission is December 10th, 1995.
* Publication is tentatively expected to take place in mid 1996.


Accepted manuscripts will need to comply with all author guidelines of Journal 
of  Real-Time  Imaging,  available upon request from the guest editors or from 
jrti@rtlab12.njit.edu.


GUEST EDITORS:

Alberto BROGGI                              Francesco GREGORETTI
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An  up-to-date  electronic  version  of  this  call  for  papers  and  related 
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> Is there a faq or an ftp site to obtain technical documents on the
> mbone and possibly a place to obtain the required binaries for Linux?

MBone:
http://www.research.att.com/mbone-faq.html

Linux multicast:
http://andrew.triumf.ca/pub/linux/multicast-FAQ

Linux binaries:
ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/unix/networking/multicast/LINUX/
-- 
<A HREF="http://www.lut.fi/~ruokonen/"> Vesa.Ruokonen@lut.fi </A>

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Aargh.  My apologies for not getting the announcement out sooner.  I
held off until I was certain we had permission to run the multicast,
which only came a couple hours before the speech began.  Add 3 hours
for my announcement to push its way through rem-conf, and it finally
came back after the speech was over.  :-(  So the only people who
tuned in were the channel surfers who saw the advertisement in sd.
There's one lesson learned.

Unfortunately the idea to try it only popped up late yesterday when we
read the announcement about the speech in the campus newspaper and
guessed correctly that an a/v feed might be available on the campus
broadband cable.

On the technical side, we were able to perform a small amount of
pre-speech testing and convinced ourselves that things were working
more or less properly.  However during the speech we couldn't be in
two places at once, and so were unable to actively monitor transmission
quality live.  From monitoring the console, it appeared that a tunnel
between two of the campus mrouters that we depend on went out for a
couple minutes at one point.  Later we experienced an annoying problem
with vat periodically crashing and having to be restarted.  I'm curious
if this is a known problem and if there is any known workaround (don't
transmit?  :-).  The environment was: DEC Alpha 3000/400, OSF/1 V2.1,
Aj300, vat v3.4.

I'm also very interested in any reports good or bad about reception
quality from people who tuned in for all or part of the speech.


-Mitch Collinsworth
 Cornell Program of Computer Graphics

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There is a slight problem in the definition/use of the DVI ADPCM codec 
within MBONE tools. Since the header word (the first 4 bytes) contains 
the first sample as an unencoded 16 bit value and each of the following 
bytes contains two samples, 'real' DVI blocks always contain an odd 
number of samples. (Check the formula for wSamplesPerBlock given in the 
Microsoft/Intel DVI ADPCM Wave Type definition. I have a copy of the 
spec from the Microsoft Development Library, but there might be other 
sources.) The MBONE tools vat and nevot always produce a multiple of 20 
ms (160 samples, encoded as 80 bytes), preceded by a 4-byte header; ivs 
doesn't produce a header at all and thus has a separate problem.

There are (at least) four possibilities:
(1) Put the first sample unencoded into the header and encode 160 
bytes. The unencoded sample is simply used as a predictor for the first 
sample (which happens to be the same). [This appears to be the vat 
approach and is the NeVoT approach.]

(2) Same as 1), but encode only the following 159 samples. The last 
four bits in the packet are meaningless (zero). The receiver, 
unfortunately, can't tell unless it knows that each packet contains 160 
ms (or at least knows that packets contain an even number of samples). 
A sender doing (2) actually works reasonably well with a receiver doing 
(1).

(3) Use 161 samples, conforming to the 'DVI standard'. Conformance is 
rather useful if either hardware or system libraries produce that 
format. 161 samples obviously don't fit well with the rest and may not 
agree with certain hardware restrictions.

(4) Follow ivs' lead and don't use a header. This would seem to yield 
poorer quality (and slightly shorter packets), but I haven't tested 
that.

Are there any soundboards (probably for the PC) out there that can 
generate DVI encoded audio? Any system libraries? What size chunks do 
they generate?

I'd like to unambiguously specify this in the RTP Profile - this is 
probably the last chance to get it right for RTP.

Any opinions/suggestions?

Henning








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On Wednesday June 14, we are tentatively planning to multicast "The Design of
Web Pages for Instruction: A Cognitive Science approach," a seminar from Dr.
John C.  Reid of the University of Missouri-Columbia. 

The seminar would last be from 12:40PM to 1:40PM CDT.  We're planning to 
transmit one 64kbps nv stream and one vat pcm2 audio stream.  

There are several administrative and technical issues that have yet to be 
worked out before this broadcast happens, so there's a good chance that 
it won't happen :-).

This is our first MBONE seminar broadcast, so any comments on the 
broadcast would certainly be appreciated at <ccshag@cclabs.missouri.edu>.


- Paul "Shag" Walmsley <ccshag@cclabs.missouri.edu>
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DISCLAIMER:
  This mail reflects the personal impressions of one of the attendees of the
  ITU-T work group meeting.  This is not *NOT* an official report that was
  previously agreed upon within the working group.

>From May 15 to 18 a meeting of Study Group 15 of the ITU-T was held
in Stockholm.  One of the agenda items was to deal with interconnecting
LAN -- or other packet (inter)networks -- based end systems and
ISDN/PSTN/... videophones.  During the discussion of the current draft
document dealing with this issue (H.22Z) the proposal was made to use the
RTP spec for transmission of audio/video information and for measurement
of the current quality of service of the LAN.  It was suggested to define
a specific profile for RTP that matches the needs of the ITU-T rather
than to develop a new protocol.

After some discussion this proposal was rejected for the following stated
reasons:

- RTP does not match the needs the group found to be important for the
  protocol to be developed; e.g. the group expressed needs for
  different timestamps, different types (and size) of counters, etc.

- RTCP is not suited for strict connection management as required by
  the videophone/videoconferencing services of the ITU: there is no
  explicit (point-to-point) connection setup and capability negotiation
  protocol which is needed for videophone services based on ITU-T
  recommendations (and RTCP is receiver-oriented rather than
  sender-oriented).  Therefore, a new connection "management" protocol would
  have to be invented anyway.

- The benefits of conformance to RTP compared to the cost of carrying
  "unnecessary" protocol features were not found to be worth this burden.

At least, it was decided that the payload formats of RTP should be used
whenever possible to simplify building of interworking units.

I apologize for not having you informed earlier.

Joerg

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I would go for the first solution, put the predictor in the
header. After all, we don't really need the predictor if we had an
error-free link, it is just there because the sample-stream can be
broken, so it can be seen as part of the transport protocol, not part
of the adpcm sound protocol.

By the way: you mention documentation on the DVI coding, I would be
very interested in such documentation (I haven't been able to find
anything at all, except for the IMA proceedings where I found the
algorithm, and which is seriously lacking in things like background on
the algorithm design). If the specs aren't too large, could you be
bribed into sending me a copy? Alternatively, a pointer to where I can
get them...
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Can anybody explain the following error messages, when attempting to
compile vic-2.6??  

> multim@alice% make
> rm -f vic
> g++ -g -Wall -O2    -DJVIDEO    -DXV  -DXV_PSEUDO8  -DED_YBITS=4  
-Ijv2     -I/usr/local/include -I. -DINT_64=u_long 
> -I./jpeg -I./p64 -I.   -o vic inet.o cellb_tables.o tkStripchart.o
main.o mcastchan.o net.o source.o source-vic.o  iohandler.o timer.o
 > idlecallback.o session.o   decoder.o decoder-jpeg.o decoder-nv.o
decoder-h261.o decoder-scr.o  decoder-cellb.o reasm-jpeg.o  grabber.o
>  grabber-null.o  video.o Tcl.o Tcl2.o framer.o   encoder-nv.o
encoder-cellb.o encoder-h261.o  framer-jpeg.o framer-h261.o  group-ipc.o
>  switcher.o renderer.o  color.o color-true.o color-lut.o
color-dither.o color-ed.o  color-quant.o color-gray.o color-mono.o 
jpeg/jpeg.o
>  p64/p64.o dct.o vic_tcl.o cm0.o cm1.o huffcode.o version.o bv.o 
strtol.o strtoul.o    decoder-jv.o grabber-jv.o    grabber-xv.o 
>  jv2/jvdriverint.o     -lXv  -L../blt-1.7/src -lBLT -ltk -ltcl -lXext
-lX11 -ldnet_stub -lm -static
> /usr/bin/ld:
> Error: Undefined:
> ipUnallocateAndSendData                                    <----|
> _SmtIpError                                                           
   <----|
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status                                        |
> *** Exit 1                                                            
                       \--- from an unpatched distribution of vic-2.6
> Stop.                                                                 
                                      w/ blt-1.7, Tcl 7.3/Tk 3.6, on a
DEC Alpha 
> multim@alice%                                                         
                          w/OSF; Tcl, Tk and Blt were configured and
built
                                                                        
                                             beforehand.

TIA,
Leejay Wu

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> > On Wednesday June 14, we are tentatively planning to multicast "The Design of
> > Web Pages for Instruction: A Cognitive Science approach," a seminar from Dr.
> > John C.  Reid of the University of Missouri-Columbia. 

Unfortunately, our speaker has chosen not to have the seminar broadcast to
the MBONE at large.  Contrary to popular rumor, this is the real reason
that the broadcast was cancelled; the threat of a Severe Tire Damage
opening set had nothing to do with it.  (I was ready to announce _that_, 
too :-)

I regret any inconvenience that this cancellation has caused you.


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In message <Pine.SUN.3.91.950607162240.25541G-100000-100000-100000@grus.cs.nps.
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>Mimi at IBM would really like to port the mbone tools to Aix and get more 
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Does this mean that AIX has current multicast support, or do they need help 
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What is the "sd api"?  ~/.sd.tcl?  draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-00.txt?

  Bill


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On Mon, 12 Jun 1995, Matt Crawford wrote:

> > I've been asked to broadcast
> >         The Third International Conference on
> >         Intelligent Systems for Molecular Biology
> > on the 16th - 19th July 1995.
> 
> Uh-oh.  That's IETF week.  I expect others have already mentioned
> this.
> 
Yep I know this and will go with the wishes of the community. If you don't
want me to broadcast this, I won't. I think that the IETF is a far more
worthy cause for bandwidth.



John

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As part of the RTP standardization process, the RTP profile also is to 
be elevated from ID to RFC, after appropriate WG/IESG review. In the 
next few days, I'm planning to submit a new version of the profile I-D 
to the I-D editor. There have only been a few minor changes:

- Use of 65536 Hz timestamp for video clarified.
- Short reference labels for profile definitions.
- Expanded definition of DVI format.
- MPEG Transport Stream mode dropped.
- Minor editorial clarifications.

Please check the document for accuracy, particularly if you are a 
payload format author. Other comments, suggestions, etc. are 
appreciated. Note in particular the editorial questions shown with gray 
background. If you want to argue for a new 'standard' RTP encoding (or 
argue to drop one), this is a good (and close to last) chance.

The draft is currently at:

  ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/step/hgs/profile.ps

Thanks.

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  > Can anybody explain the following error messages, when attempting to
  > compile vic-2.6??  
  > 
  > > multim@alice% make
  > > rm -f vic
  > > g++ -g -Wall -O2    -DJVIDEO    -DXV  -DXV_PSEUDO8  -DED_YBITS=4  
  > -Ijv2     -I/usr/local/include -I. -DINT_64=u_long 
  > > -I./jpeg -I./p64 -I.   -o vic inet.o cellb_tables.o tkStripchart.o
  > main.o mcastchan.o net.o source.o source-vic.o  iohandler.o timer.o
  >  > idlecallback.o session.o   decoder.o decoder-jpeg.o decoder-nv.o
  > decoder-h261.o decoder-scr.o  decoder-cellb.o reasm-jpeg.o  grabber.o
  > >  grabber-null.o  video.o Tcl.o Tcl2.o framer.o   encoder-nv.o
  > encoder-cellb.o encoder-h261.o  framer-jpeg.o framer-h261.o  group-ipc.o
  > >  switcher.o renderer.o  color.o color-true.o color-lut.o
  > color-dither.o color-ed.o  color-quant.o color-gray.o color-mono.o 
  > jpeg/jpeg.o
  > >  p64/p64.o dct.o vic_tcl.o cm0.o cm1.o huffcode.o version.o bv.o 
  > strtol.o strtoul.o    decoder-jv.o grabber-jv.o    grabber-xv.o 
  > >  jv2/jvdriverint.o     -lXv  -L../blt-1.7/src -lBLT -ltk -ltcl -lXext
  > -lX11 -ldnet_stub -lm -static
  > > /usr/bin/ld:
  > > Error: Undefined:
  > > ipUnallocateAndSendData                                    <----|
  > > _SmtIpError                                                           
  >    <----|
  > > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status                                        |
  > > *** Exit 1                                                            
  >                        \--- from an unpatched distribution of vic-2.6
  > > Stop.                                                                 
  >                                       w/ blt-1.7, Tcl 7.3/Tk 3.6, on a
  > DEC Alpha 
  > > multim@alice%                                                         
  >                           w/OSF; Tcl, Tk and Blt were configured and
  > built
  >                                                                         
  >                                              beforehand.

It appears that these symbols can't be found by the linker--you should
be able to figure out where they should come from by looking at the
source code.  Look for the names with grep in all of the source and
header files.  If you can't find them there, look in the standard
system source and header files.  If all else fails, use nm on the system
libraries and grep for the symbol names.  This will tell you what
extra library to add to make things work.

Our Alpha expert also told me that gcc tends to do some strange things
on alphas, so you might consider trying a different compiler if possible.

Hope this helps.

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							   TSMCFP96
		       C A L L   for  P A P E R S
       4th International Conference on Telecommunication Systems
			Modelling and Analysis
		   March 14-17, 1996 Nashville, TN


The 4th International Conference on Telecommunication Systems - Modelling and
Analysis will be held in Nashville, Tennessee on March 14-17, 1996.  The
conference location will be the Bell South Tower in downtown Nashville.  The
conference will build on the tradition of the earlier conferences with a few
changes in format due to the new conference location.  The general idea is to
limit the number of participants, concentrate on a few topics, present new
problems and problem areas, encouraging informal interaction and exchanges of
ideas.  The objective is to advance the state of the modelling and analysis in
telecommunications by stimulating research activity on new and important
problems.

The conference will be divided into segments with each segment devoted to a
specific topic.  This will allow for little conflict between segments.  All
papers will be screened by the program committee to ensure the quality of
presentations.  A decentralized paper handling process will be used, the
Program Committee has been divided along geographical areas with a separate
Program Subcommittee assigned to each area.  Abstracts and papers should be
submitted directly to Program Committee Chair of the appropriate area.  It is
expected that this will expedite the paper review process.  In response to
suggestions made by last year's participants, social and cultural activities
will be included in the 1996 agenda.

Lead Speakers and Keynote speakers include:

Leonard Kleinrock, Alan Konheim, Bezalel Gavish, Paul Kuehn.

The Chairmen of the geographic Program Committees are:

---Australia, New Zealand and South East Asia:
		Prof. Richard Harris
Department of Communication and Electronic Engineering                           
Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology
GPO Box 2476V                           Tel: 61 3660 2457
Melbourne, 3001                         FAX: 61 3660 1060
Australia                               Email: richard@catt.citri.edu.au

---Europe:
		Prof. Guy Pujolle
Laboratoire PRiSM
Universite de Versailles - Saint-Quentin
45, avenue des Etats-Unis               Tel: 33 1 39 25 40 61
78 035 Versailles Cedex                 FAX: 33 1 39 25 40 57
France                                  Email: guy.pujolle@prism.uvsq.fr

---North America:
		Prof. Andre Girard
INRS-Telecommunications
16, place du Commerce                   Tel: 514-765-7832
Verdun, Quebec                          FAX: 514-765-8785
Canada  H3E 1H6                         Email: andre@inrs-telecom.uquebec.ca

---North East Asia:
		Prof. Yutaka Takahashi
Department of Applied Mathematics and Physics
Faculty of Engineering
Kyoto University                        Tel: 81 757535493
Yoshida-Honmachi, Sakyo-ku, Kyoto 606   FAX:
Japan                                   Email: yutaka@kuamp.kyoto-u.ac.jp

---South and Central America:
		Dr. Ernesto Santibanez-Gonzalez
School of Industrial Engineering
Catholic University of Valparaiso       Tel: 56 32 257331
Av. Brasil 2147                         FAX: 56 32 214823
Chile                                   Email: esantiba@aix1.ucv.cl
	and     Prof. Henrique Pacca L. Luna
Department of Computer Science
Federal University of Minas Gerais      Tel: 
31270-901 Belo Horizonte - MG           FAX:
Brazil                                  Email: pacca@dcc.ufmg.br

---Chairman of the Economics track:
		Prof. Jeffrey Mackie-Mason
Department of Economics                 Tel: 313-764-7438
University of Michigan                  FAX: 313-763-9181
Ann Arbor, MI  48109-1220               Email: jmm@umich.edu
	and     Prof. William W. Sharkey

---All other geographic areas:
		Prof. Bezalel Gavish
Owen Graduate School of Management
Vanderbilt University                   Tel: 615-322-3659
401 21st Avenue South                   FAX: 615-343-7177
Nashville, TN  37203                    Email:  gavishb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu


Listed below are some of the potential segments:

-- Configuration of ATM networks
-- Internet and its impact on commerce
-- Topological Design and Network Configuration Problems
-- Design and Analysis of Local Access Networks and Outside Plant Problems
-- Low Earth Orbit Satellite communication systems
-- Cellular Systems and PCS Modelling and Configuration
-- Time Dependent Expansion of Telecommunication Systems
-- Designing Networks for Reliability and Availability
-- Network Design Problems in Gigabit and Terabit Networks
-- LAN, WAN Global Network Interconnection
-- ATM, ISDN, BISDN Modeling and Analysis Issues
-- Artificial Intelligence/Heuristics in  Telecommunication Systems
-- Quantitative Methods in Network Management
-- Pricing and Economic Analysis of Telecommunications
-- Impact of Telecommunications on Industrial Organization
-- Performance Evaluation of Telecommunication Systems
-- Distributed Computing and Distributed Data Bases
-- Security and Privacy issues in Telecommunications
-- Virtual reality, Multimedia and their impact

The Program Committee is open to any ideas you might have regarding additional
topics or format of the conference.  The intention is to limit the number of
parallel sessions to two.  The conference is scheduled over a weekend so as to
reduce teaching conflicts for academic participants, take advantage of weekend
hotel and airfare rates and of the many events that take place in the downtown
area.

Due to the limit on the number of participants early registration is
recommended.  To ensure your participation, please use the following steps:

1.  Send to the appropriate Program Committee Chair by October 1, 1995, a paper
(preferable), or titles and abstracts for potential presentations to be
considered for the conference.  Sending more than one abstract is encouraged,
enabling the Program Committee to have a wider choice in terms of assigning
talks to segments.  Use E-mail to expedite the submission of titles and
abstracts.

2.  Use the form at the end of this message to preregister for the conference.
Let us also know if you would like to have a formal duty during the conference
as:  Session Chair, or Discussant.

3.  You will be notified by December 1, 1995, which abstract/s has been
selected for the conference.  Detailed instructions on how to prepare camera
ready copies will be sent to authors of accepted presentations.  January 30,
1996, is the deadline for sending a final version of the paper.  Participants
will receive copies of the collection of papers to be presented.  All papers
submitted to the conference will be considered for publication in the
"Telecommunication Systems" Journal.

The Program Committee looks forward to receiving your feedback/ideas.  Feel
free to volunteer any help you can offer.  If you have suggestions for Segment
Leaders (i.e., individuals who will have a longer time to give an
overview/state of the art talk on their segment subject) please E-mail them to
Prof Gavish.  Also, if there are individuals whose participation you view as
important, please send their names and E-mail addresses to the Program
Committee Chairman, or forward to them a copy of this message.

I look forward to a very successful conference.

Sincerely yours,
Bezalel Gavish

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	Fourth International Conference on Telecommunication Systems
			 Modelling and Analysis
			   REGISTRATION FORM           Date: __________________
Location: Nashville, TN
   Dates: March 14, 1996 (afternoon) to March 17, 1996

       Name: ________________________________________ Title: __________________

Affiliation: __________________________________________________________________

    Address: __________________________________________________________________

	     __________________________________________________________________

      Phone: ____________________________  FAX: _______________________________

     E-mail: __________________________________________________________________

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	   ____________________________________________________________________


I would like to Volunteer as                      Comments
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REGISTRATION RATES and DEADLINES

				 Last Applicable   Participant Type
				      Date         Academic  Industry
				----------------   --------  --------
1. Preregistration        Until   Dec. 1, 1996       $ 350     $ 450
2. Registration           Until   Feb. 1, 1996       $ 400     $ 500
3. On Site Registration   After   Feb. 1, 1996       $ 450     $ 650

Mail your registration form and check to:

	       Mrs. Dru Lundeng
	       Owen Graduate School of Management
	       Vanderbilt University
	       401 21st Avenue, South
	       Nashville, TN 37203, USA

The check should be addressed to:
	       4th Int'l. Telecomm Systems Conference


Refund Policy: Half refund, for requests received by February 1, 1996.
	       No refund after February 1, 1996.




If you have any questions regarding the conference, please contact Dru Lundeng
at 615-322-3694 or through E-mail at lundeng@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu.


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Owen Graduate School of Management
Vanderbilt University
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    What:  Severe Tire Damage Concert
    Date:  14-Jun-95
    Time:  9pm - 9:30pm PDT
    From:  The Fabulous SubForum (nee Garage)
           Systems Research Center
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In another display of crass disregard for network decorum in the 
face of ego aggrandizement and overwhelming indifference, Severe 
Tire Damage will once again rock the MBone in their own inimitable 
fashion.

The odds on remote camera control are steadily improving.

See you there!

Lance Berc
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MBone tools for Alpha workstation:
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Dr. Steven Minter, Executive Director of the Cleveland Foundation, will 
present "A Compact for Cities" this Thursday, June 15th, 12:30 EST (16:30 
GMT) at the monthly meeting of the Akron Roundtable in Akron, Ohio.  The 
audio from this talk will be carried live via the MBONE (the session will 
be announced in sd.)

A "RealAudio" (see http://www.RealAudio.Com/) version of the speech and 
additional information will be available on our Web server at 
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Questions for the speaker can be mailed to roundtable@wksu.kent.edu 
before or during the talk.

Thanks.


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Hello,

I'd like to know whether MBone tools for Windows NT are or not.
I saw the MBone Mailing list on yesterday.  

I finded the next paragraphes.

---------- Original Message -----------------

> Hi,
>  
> I tried to use WinSd/Vat/NV.  It complains &quotCannot bind sockett.  
> Does this mean that the programs do not work with the TCP suite I have 
> ( TCP from Trumpet) ?  In general, where can I find out where the problem 
> is at -- windows is quite different from UNIX.  I cannot read something 
> like a man page.
> 
> Thanks. 

It means that your TCP/IP stack does not support the multicast 
extensions.  I had, but lost, the mcast extensions for the Microsoft 
32-bit stack (any pointers, anyone?).  I'm told that mcast works 
correctly with Microsoft's stack + extensions, and that FTP Software's 
mcast kernel works, also.

I don't think Trumpet will support mcast in the near future.  I could be 
wrong, though -- I would LIKE to be wrong in this case.

-- arlie

---------- the end -----------------

Thus, my question is 

"Is the WinSd/Vat/NV software mbone tools for Windows NT ?" 

, and give me the information.


Thanks in advance.


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From: a61@nikhef.nl (Herman van Dompseler)
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Subject: HEPiX spring 95 meeting, MBone retransmission


NIKHEF is pleased to announce the MBone retransmission of the HEPIX
spring 95 meeting held in Prague from the 31st of May till the 2nd 
of June 1995.

We've planned to retransmit the sessions in five days from the 19th of 
June till the 23rd of June 1995. Transmissions will take place from
16:00 till 19:00 GMT/UTC.

The sessions will be announced in sd with a ttl of 127.
Vat (pcm) will be used for audio and nv (128kbps) will be used for video.

If there are any conflicts on these days or questions/remarks, please 
contact Herman van Dompseler (e-mail: a61@nikhef.nl).

For more information and the agenda see:
   http://www.nikhef.nl/www/pub/teleconferencing/hepix/hepix.html

Thanks,
Herman.

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Here's a problem that has been bothering me for a few weeks:
Is there some basic incompatibility between Tcl 7.3/Tk 3.6, gcc 2.6.3
and OSF 2.0.1?

I've been trying to compile three Tcl/Tk based programs...
1)  blt-1.7  (configured -with-gcc)
2)  nv-3.3
3)  vic-2.6 (dependent blt-1.7 too)

blt-1.7 does not work properly; it's version of wish does not appear to
interpret commands well.

nv-3.3 and vic-2.6 have identical problems:  Mouse button-driven events,
i.e. menus, sliders, and buttons, all fail to work.  At least for vic
2.6 the Tcl/Tk routines treat all mouse buttons as button 0, instead of
the more normal 1,2 or 3...

None of the three programs has been patched; in addition, nv compiled
with a known, fresh (unpatched) version of Tcl/Tk 7.3/3.6 yields the
same problem.  Also, the vic Makefile was examined to ensure that the
include directory corresponded to the library directory
(/usr/local/include paired w/ /usr/local/bin)  

Do I need some patch to Tcl/Tk to make this work?  What am I missing?

TIA,
Leejay Wu

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To: jspark@pec.etri.re.kr (Jung-Soo Park)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:02:34 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: rem-conf@es.net
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I don't believe the Winsd/vat/nv program is compatible with the Winsock
>from Microsoft.  I tried them with the multicasting capable version of Winsock
and they just plainly don't work.  I tried getting source code to modify them,
but was turned down.

Michael

> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'd like to know whether MBone tools for Windows NT are or not.
> I saw the MBone Mailing list on yesterday.  
> 
> I finded the next paragraphes.
> 
> ---------- Original Message -----------------
> 
> > Hi,
> >  
> > I tried to use WinSd/Vat/NV.  It complains &quotCannot bind sockett.  
> > Does this mean that the programs do not work with the TCP suite I have 
> > ( TCP from Trumpet) ?  In general, where can I find out where the problem 
> > is at -- windows is quite different from UNIX.  I cannot read something 
> > like a man page.
> > 
> > Thanks. 
> 
> It means that your TCP/IP stack does not support the multicast 
> extensions.  I had, but lost, the mcast extensions for the Microsoft 
> 32-bit stack (any pointers, anyone?).  I'm told that mcast works 
> correctly with Microsoft's stack + extensions, and that FTP Software's 
> mcast kernel works, also.
> 
> I don't think Trumpet will support mcast in the near future.  I could be 
> wrong, though -- I would LIKE to be wrong in this case.
> 
> -- arlie
> 
> ---------- the end -----------------
> 
> Thus, my question is 
> 
> "Is the WinSd/Vat/NV software mbone tools for Windows NT ?" 
> 
> , and give me the information.
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> +----------------------------------------------------+
> | Jungsoo, Park                                      |
> |                                                    |
> | ETRI, Multimedia Standardization Section           |
> | Protocol Engineering Center                        |
> | 161 Kajong-Dong, Yusong-Gu, TAEJON, 305-350, KOREA |
> | (Phone) : 82-42-860-6118                           |
> | (FAX)   : 82-42-861-5404                           |
> | (EMAIL) : jspark@pec.etri.re.kr                    | 
> +----------------------------------------------------+
> 


-- 
Michael Benson
Computer science graduate student at George Mason University
WWW:    http://cne.gmu.edu/~mbenson
Email:  mbenson@gmu.edu          Whois: whois -h gmu.edu mbenson 

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We are planing an Mbone presentation June 23 - July 4 at
TTL127.  Expected program material includes the first 
Shuttle docking with the Russian Station MIR.  The mission 
duration is 10days, 19hours.  The launch of STS-71 was 
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On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Michael Benson wrote:
> I don't believe the Winsd/vat/nv program is compatible with the Winsock
> from Microsoft.  I tried them with the multicasting capable version of Winsock
> and they just plainly don't work.  I tried getting source code to modify them,
> but was turned down.
> Michael

I tried these same tools with a pre-release of windows 95, and got the 
same errors.  The authors informed me, if I remember correctly, that it 
only work with a winsock compliant stack from PC-FTP (correct name?)

dwight.
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In message <gjs5J3C00YUw88f0t2@andrew.cmu.edu> you write:
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I have seen a problem with Tcl/Tk apps using XFree86 3.1.1 with serial mice.
Using XFree86 3.1 works ok I'm told. Maybe its an X Server bug.

Tom

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I hope I am not violating any of your new group/mailing list conventions 
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	       	      PROMS '95

                 Second Workshop on
	    Protocols for Multimedia Systems
            "Mozart on Multimedia Highways"
                  Salzburg, Austria
                  October 9-12, 1995 
              
               An international workshop 
organized by University of Salzburg and TechnoZ-Fachhochschule, Austria 
     sponsored by TechnoZ GmbH Salzburg, Sony Salzburg, Austria 
                   Siemens Wien, Austria
           http://www.cosy.sbg.ac.at/proms/
                          
          	  CALL FOR PAPERS
OBJECTIVE 
*********
The 2nd Workshop on Protocols for Multimedia Systems (PROMS' 95) is  
intended to contribute to scientific, strategical and practical cooperation 
between research institutes and industrial companies with emphasis on  
multimedia protocols and intelligent management tools for (super)highways. 
The motto "Mozart on multimedia highways" is not only to remember 
of the great musician born in Salzburg, the host city of PROMS 95,
but also to focus on the NEW sound of this workshop: Are the (super)highways 
today enough intelligent for the transmission of the "Magic Flute" ? 
The PROMS' 95 objectives:
   - To present, address and discuss research, project lines and 
     achievements on protocols and intelligent management tools for 
     multimedia applications with emphasis on their usage on network 
     (super)highways.
   - To focus on scientific contributions, standardization and practical 
     results in the area of multimedia protocols and 
     their adaptation to ATM, satellite and mobile networks, 
     as well as in the area of intelligent network management,
     policy based and intelligent routing, traffic prediction, 
     security and protocol accounting
   - To emphasize on practical integration of the research 
     on modelling, simulation, performance analysis of multimedia
     protocols and intelligent networking techniques for efficient 
     multimedia application networking in the various forms of  
     today existing and future information (super)highways 
   - To demonstrate and evaluate efficiency of multimedia applications  
     ("Multimedia live") using new protocol functions and 
     intelligent networking tools considering end user criteria and
     requirements for Costs, Quality of Service, Network Access,
     Routing Policy, Security, Application Interface, and System Integrity.
PROGRAM COMMITTEE
*****************
Horst D. Clausen (Uni Salzburg, Austria)      
N. Georganas (Uni Ottawa, Canada)
Bezalel Gavish (Vanderbilt Uni, USA) 
M.S. Obaidat  (City Uni of New York, USA)
Shi-Kuo Chang  (Uni Pittsburgh, USA)
C. Bormann (Uni Bremen, Germany)
Son T. Vuong  (British Columbia, Canada)
B. Atwood (Concordia, Canada)
Jun-ichi Mizusawa (NTT, Japan)
O. Spaniol (RWTH Aachen, Germany)
A. Seneviratne (University of Technology, Australia)
H. Kruse (Ohio Uni, USA)
E. Biersack  (EUROCOM, France)
I. Miloucheva (ATS, Germany)
A. Schill (TU Dresden, Germany)
M. Kaul (GMD, Germany)
R.A.Butler (Robert Gordon Uni, UK)   
PROGRAM CHAIR
*************
Prof. Dr. habil. Ulrich Hofmann (Uni Salzburg, Austria)
SCOPE
*****
Research contributions, standardization and practical experience with 
design, implementation, integration, interworking and management of 
multimedia protocols and applications on the information (super)highways:
 - Media specific and QoS considerations in design and implementation of 
   communication protocols
 - Application, media and protocol integration:
   Synchronization of media streams, orchestration of functional units,
 - Multiparty and group communication protocols and applications,
   Multicast networking and routing, group management 
 - Network access and management functionality: accounting, security,  
   authentication, privacy, intelligent and policy based routing
 - Mobile networking and routing, multimedia communication architectures 
   for mobile networks, management of mobile networks 
 - Performance analysis of multimedia applications and protocols: 
   modeling, simulation, and control theoretical approach 
 - Accounting and costs of communication services  
 - Optimization of protocol and application performance for different 
   network QoS provision (i.e. high delay paths)
 - Protocol and application adaptation to ATM QoS and Adaptation Layers,
   protocol performance over ATM 
 - Protocols and applications for satellite networks and gateways, 
   Protocol performance over satellite, including
   hybrid satellite/terrestrial networks, and satellite applications
 - Multimedia applications and IP/IPnG interworking
 - Multimedia applications on the (super)higways: video-on-demand,
   virtual community, teleworking, teleteaching 
 - Resource reservation and and multimedia traffic engineering
 - Implementation of multimedia protocols and applications: 
   integration of media storage and communication mechanisms, 
   operating system and high performance issues, efficient interfacing
 - Techniques for specification of multimedia protocols and application,
   methods for real-time test and analysis of implementations, 
SUBMISSION 
**********
- Please send your papers in postscript form.
   via email:         proms-submission@cosy.sbg.ac.at
   via anonymous ftp: ftp.cosy.sbg.ac.at /pub/proms
   via mail: PROMS 95, Institut fuer Computerwissenschaften
             z.Hd. Prof. Ulrich Hofmann
             Jakob-Haringer-Str. 2, A-5020 Salzburg, AUSTRIA
- Submissions must include abstract and keywords.
- The submissions are to be prepared in IEEE paper style form.
IMPORTANT DATES
***************
Submissions due:      Aug. 20,   1995
Author notification:  Sept. 1,    1995
We will appreciate also later submissions if they are significant for PROMS 95.
For extended information about organization, keynote speaker, demonstration, 
venue, registration and .... Mozart please refer to:
              http://www.cosy.sbg.ac.at/proms/
or contact:   Prof. Ulrich Hofmann uho@cosy.sbg.ac.at
              Dr. Ilka Miloucheva ilka@prz.tu-berlin.de
WELCOME TO SALZBURG
*******************
Summer Art Festival, Mozart, Trapp-family, Mountains, Lakes,
Saltmines, Palaces and Gardens, Mirabell and Hellbrunn - 
these are some words which are inherently connected with the city of Salzburg.  
Attention for the guests of Salzburg -a "Schnuerlregen"(a special kind of rain),
mixed with the "Little Night Music" over the rooftops ...
Especially for our PROMS 95 guests:
 - Different kinds of demos with multimedia and multicast protocols, 
   satellite/ATM interconnection, transathlantic demos,
 - Multimedia Welcome at the "High Tech" Sony factury in Salzburg
 - 4 PROMS 95 days for workshopping at Salzburg University and TechnoZ Research
 - "Sound of Music" Tour .... 


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                         CALL FOR PAPERS

                          NETWORKS '96

 An International Conference on Computer Networks, Architecture
                        and Applications
___________________________________________________________________

              January 3, 1996 - January 5, 1996
                            Bombay, India

   Networks 80 Bombay , Networks 84 Madras , Indolan 90 Madras, Networks 92
      Trivandrum , Networks 94 Madras, and now Networks 96 Bombay.

___________________________________________________________________

The   Conference  will provide   an   international   forum   for
presentation of  ideas, reviews and results in  the general  area 
of  Networks  with special emphasis  on Applications, issues relating 
to Management, Security  and  Performance.  More  specifically,  the  
topics  of interest include, but not limited to,

  Client-Server Models           High speed Networks
  Distributed Applications       Multimedia Applications
  Multimedia Systems             Wireless Networks
  Network Interconnections       Measurement and Management of QoS

          VSAT Technology
          Relevance to Developing countries
          Higher Layer Protocol related performance issues
          Specification and verification of Protocols
___________________________________________________________________

Sponsors
          International Federation for Information Processing (IFIP)
          Computer Society of India (CSI)
___________________________________________________________________


EXECUTIVE TRACK
Papers are invited for presentation at a special ``Executive Track''
designed for managers, planners and users of networks.

TUTORIAL/REVIEW PAPERS
There will be no pre-conference tutorials.  Instead, there will be a
few 1-1/2 hour tutorial/review papers.

Proposals for these turorial/review slots are invited.


ACM MULTIMEDIA WORKSHOP
A workshop co-sponsored by ACM on multimedia is being planned. 
A separate announcement will follow soon. Please contact 
P. Venkatrangan (venkat@cs.ucsd.edu) or S.V. Raghavan 
(svr@iitm.ernet.in) for advance information.
___________________________________________________________________

SUBMISSION OF PAPERS

Prospective  authors   are invited  to  submit  five  copies   of
their paper.   The paper  should not  exceed 18  pages in  length
(double spaced) and should    have an  abstract. There  should be
cover page  giving title,  authors' names,  affiliation, complete
address, telephone numbers, fax number and email address. A latex
format file is available on email request to net96@ncst.ernet.in.
The papers should be forwarded to:

  K. G. Satam                      email : net96@ncst.ernet.in
  National Centre for Software     Phone : +91 22 6201606 (office)
  Technology, Gulmohar Cross       Fax   : +91 22 6210139
  Road No.9, Juhu                  Telex : +81 11-78260 NCST IN
  Bombay  400 049 INDIA.           


     * An  electronic version  of the  paper should  be  sent  in
LaTeX   format   to   net96@ncst.ernet.in   with   the   complete
instructions. Other arrangements can be made if necessary.

      * All papers will be reviewed.  Accepted papers will appear
in the  conference proceedings.  The Proceedings  will be published
internationally.
      
      * The program invites authors to send, if possible, an abstract 
by July 15, 1995.

___________________________________________________________________

CONFERENCE COMMITTEE

     Conference Chair
               S. Ramani, Director
               NCST, Bombay, India
     Program Committee
     Co Chairs
               S.V. Raghavan
               Dept. of Comp.Sc. & Engg.
               I.I.T., Madras, India

               K.G. Satam
               Networks Division
               NCST, Bombay, India

     Organising Committee
     Chairman
               Chairman, Bombay Chapter
               Computer Society of India

     Proposed Program Committee
               Casaca A., INESC, Portugal
               Jain B.N., IITD, India
               Kumar A., IISc. B'lore,India
               Maskara S.L., IITkh, India
               Mehendiratta S.L., IITB, India
               Pujolle G., Lab Masi, FRANCE
               Ramakrishnan S., DOE , India
               Spaniol O., U.Aachen, Germany
               Srivatsan K.R., IITK, India
               Tohme S., ENST, France
               Tripathi S.K., UMD, USA
               VenkatRangan P., UCSD, USA

* Consent from some of the proposed members is awaited.
___________________________________________________________________

                         IMPORTANT DATES

Last date for submission of five copies        August 15, 1995
Notification of Acceptance                     October 23, 1995
Camera ready papers due on                     November 24, 1995

___________________________________________________________________

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Prof. David Farber's talk will be held on 23rd of June
at KEIO University JAPAN.

We are planning to transmit the sessions 23rd of June 1995.
It will take place from 16:30-17:30(JST)/07:30-08:30(GMT)

The sessions will be announced in sd with a ttl of 127.
vat(pcm) and nv will be used.

If there are any conflicts on that day or questions,
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-- H.K

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BIOGRAPHY
DAVID J. FARBER, the Alfred S. Fitler Moore Professor of Telecommunications
Systems at the University of Pennsylvania, was responsible for the design of
the DCS system, one of the first operational message based fully distributed
systems, and is one of the authors of the SNOBOL programming language. He was
one of the principals in the creation and implementation of CSNet, NSFNet,
BITNET II, and CREN. He was instrumental in the creation of the NSF/DARPA
funded Gigabit Network Testbed Initiative and served as the Chairman of the
Gigabit Testbed Coordinating Committee.

Professor Farber is a Fellow of the IEEE and the recipient of the 1995 SIGCOMM
Award for lifelong contributions to the field of computer communications. He
serves on the Board of Directors of both the Electronic Frontier Foundation
and the Internet Society and on the Computer Science and Telecommunications
Board (CSTB) of the US National Research Council and is a Fellow of the
Japan Global Communications Institute.

*****
Talk 1

The Future Impact of Very High Speed Networks on Computer Systems

Prof David Farber, University of Pennsylvania

Over the past four years, the United States has undertaken a joint
industrial, university, and governmental research initiative designed to
study the impact of gigabit networking on the future of networking,
networking applications, and computer architecture. This study has led to
the formation of five testbeds, each exploring different aspects of the
emerging technology as well as motivating several non US experiments The
experiment has now drawn to a close, at least in its first phase, so it is
reasonable to ask what we've learned and what the implications are for the
future.

Perhaps the most interesting conclusion is that many of the ideas developed
over the past twenty years in computer architecture, operating system
design, and networking protocols seem to be inappropriate when applied to
such high speeds.

The speaker will discuss that conclusion and give his predictions on the
directions the field will take.


Talk 2 [ this was the Keynote speach at Compcon 95]

Title: LIVING IN THE GLOBAL INFORMATION INFRASTRUCTURE
-- potentials and concerns

Prof David Farber, University of Pennsylvania

ABSTRACT
Vice President Gore of the US and other world leaders have proposed that
the nations of the world undertake the building of a Global Information
Infrastructure- the GII. While most leaders agree with the spirit of the
Gore proposal - namely to provide a mechanism which could invigorate the
world economy and bring democracy to the world's people in the forthcoming
information age, many interpret such statements as being another example of
large nation information colonialism. It is this basic lack of uniform
global agreement on what terms mean, what rules apply to electronic commerce
and what impact a GII will have on their nation that underlies the comments
I will make. These raise questions about the universality of Cyberspace.
I would like, in this talk, to explore a set of questions that may stimulate
some thinking in this area.



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Folks:

We are implementing a hierarchical video stream using a multicast group for
each of the sub-flows of the media stream.  My question pertains to the
SSRC field of the RTP and RTCP headers.  Is the SSRC the same for a source
on all subflows?  Or, is it distinct for each multicast group? 

At first, I am inclined to say that it is different for each sub-flow because
this would simplify the RTCP reception reporting process.  However, there
are mechanisms to make this possible in the case that there are the same?
What's the right answer here?

Thanks,
Michael

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> Folks:
> 
> We are implementing a hierarchical video stream using a multicast group for
> each of the sub-flows of the media stream.  My question pertains to the
> SSRC field of the RTP and RTCP headers.  Is the SSRC the same for a source
> on all subflows?  Or, is it distinct for each multicast group? 
> 
> At first, I am inclined to say that it is different for each sub-flow because
> this would simplify the RTCP reception reporting process.  However, there
> are mechanisms to make this possible in the case that there are the same?
> What's the right answer here?

As far as RTP is concerned, different multicast groups are different 
'RTP sessions', so that their SSRC spaces are independent. Indeed, it 
could (theoretically) happen that in one multicast group (say, the 
lowest quality one), there is a conflicting SSRC. You would only have 
to change the one group, not the others. I'm not sure how much sense 
that makes, but one could imagine having several different processes 
implementing the different layers of coding. Keeping the SSRC 
independent would simplify matters here.

Given that, you are free to choose whatever makes sense (same and 
locked across sub-flows, different for each sub-flow). But: unless you 
further restrict application behavior beyond the spec, you can't 
necessarily *rely* on the SSRC of the RTP sessions (= sub-flows) to 
be/stay the same. Matching of different sub-flows should probably be 
done via the CNAME field, which is mandated to stay constant.

Henning


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To the AVT WG:

Allison Mankin, our Transport Area Director, has informed me that the
"RTP Profile for Audio and Video Conferences" must be submitted for RFC
publication along with the main RTP spec since there are references
between the two.  As Henning Schulzrinne indicated last week, the
profile doc is about ready to go.

At the same time, there has been a recent agreement by several members
of the ITU-T Study Group 15 to reconsider the initial decision not to
use RTP (as was reported to this list).  This adds a complication for
the profile spec because to share RTP with ITU-T may require that the
payload type code space be divided between ITU-T and IANA, or that
some other means of sharing the space be developed.  In other words,
the assignments currently in the profile draft might need to be
rearranged.

Since we don't want to delay the publication of the RTP spec, Allison
suggested that the current profile draft be published as
"Experimental" with a notice saying that the payload type code
assignments may be changed.  Then once the assignment questions have
been settled, an updated draft would be published as Proposed
Standard.

Questions:

- How do you feel about publishing the profile with the expectation
  that the payload type codes will change and create an
  incompatibility?

- How important is the standard status of the RTP profile?

- What standard status should be sought for the payload format
  specifications that will accompany the profile spec?

- It seems that joint acceptance of RTP by IETF and ITU-T would be a
  good thing for several reasons.  Do you agree?

						-- Steve Casner
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> Since we don't want to delay the publication of the RTP spec, Allison
> suggested that the current profile draft be published as
> "Experimental" with a notice saying that the payload type code
> assignments may be changed.  Then once the assignment questions have
> been settled, an updated draft would be published as Proposed
> Standard.

Unless I'm missing something, this would make deployment of RTP 
applications rather difficult. How is a poor application to know that 
suddenly 'RTP profile: E -> PS' and what used to be PCMU is now 
who-knows-what? Are we going to have a commandline flag on each 
application to say: old vs. new name space? An RTCP FMT packet? :-)

We can delay assignment of a large number of encodings, so as to give 
ITU some room for decisions, but at least the basic encodings in 'IANA' 
space must be decided upon. Thus, it is paramount that we settle on 
some form of space division very soon. (Not necessarily right now, but 
before the publication as an RFC.) This should not be too difficult, 
given some flexibility on ITU's part. Do we have an official liaison to 
ITU SG 15 who could provide some follow-up?

Thus, I see only confusion and seriously delayed introduction by having 
an 'experimental' profile with the expectation of non-backward-compatibl
e changes.

One possible approach would be to institute some division of the name 
space right now, hoping that we can convince ITU (whenever they get 
around to making a decision) that it is something they can live with. 
This is a bit risky, but there don't seem to be too many ways of 
slicing up 8 bits. (LLC SNAP is fortunately out of the question...) We 
can minimize the risk by getting some informal agreement with some of 
the members of SG 15.

Henning


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>> Since we don't want to delay the publication of the RTP spec, Allison
>> suggested that the current profile draft be published as
>> "Experimental" with a notice saying that the payload type code
>> assignments may be changed.  Then once the assignment questions have
>> been settled, an updated draft would be published as Proposed
>> Standard.
>
>Unless I'm missing something, this would make deployment of RTP 
>applications rather difficult. How is a poor application to know that 
>suddenly 'RTP profile: E -> PS' and what used to be PCMU is now 
>who-knows-what? Are we going to have a commandline flag on each 
>application to say: old vs. new name space? An RTCP FMT packet? :-)

I agree strongly with Henning.  The only way we could tell if the
payload type has been re-allocated would be to change the version
number, and then we'd have no more bits for any future modification.

>One possible approach would be to institute some division of the name 
>space right now, hoping that we can convince ITU (whenever they get 
>around to making a decision) that it is something they can live with. 

Sounds reasonable to me.  If they can't live with it, we can always
bump the version number then, but it seems better to attempt to
pre-empt this now.  As I see it, we've nothing to lose by allocating
an ITU payload type space now.  We can alwayes re-use it later if they
decide against RTP.

Mark

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> At the same time, there has been a recent agreement by several members
> of the ITU-T Study Group 15 to reconsider the initial decision not to
> use RTP (as was reported to this list).  This adds a complication for
> the profile spec because to share RTP with ITU-T may require that the
> payload type code space be divided between ITU-T and IANA, or that
> some other means of sharing the space be developed.  In other words,
> the assignments currently in the profile draft might need to be
> rearranged.

I urge you not to change any payload type code that is already in widespread
use, if there are any.  Requiring changes to an installed base just to
satisfy the turf insecurities of a standards organization would be a very
poor engineering choice.

> - How do you feel about publishing the profile with the expectation
>   that the payload type codes will change and create an
>   incompatibility?

Very bad idea.  If you want to give ITU-T some payload type values to
assign, give them ones that haven't already been assigned by IANA.

> - It seems that joint acceptance of RTP by IETF and ITU-T would be a
>   good thing for several reasons.  Do you agree?

Well, it's probably not too harmful (if you can resist the kind of
backward-incompatible change you are currently contemplating).

Steve


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On Tue, 20 Jun 1995 07:41:55 PDT, Steve Deering said:
> Very bad idea.  If you want to give ITU-T some payload type values to
> assign, give them ones that haven't already been assigned by IANA.

Or even better, have IANA assign ITU-T a cluster of values to use, that way
we dont have to worry about IANA then assigning them to somebody else down
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To the AVT WG, and to AD Allison:

Thanks for the prompt feedback.  Several of you objected to the idea
of publishing the RTP profile first as Experimental and then as
Proposed Standard after a potential rearrangement of the payload
format type assignments.  I share this concern.  Essentially, it would
mean that the profile would not be usable until after the
rearrangement, hence it's publication in the experimental state would
only serve to allow publication of the main RTP spec to proceed.

I think that if agreement with SG15 is going to happen, it will happen
within a few weeks.  In other words, it ought to happen during the
time it takes the RTP spec to be processed by the RFC editor.  We
should set that as the goal (or perhaps I should say, as a
requirement).

Allison made her suggestion in order that publication of the RTP spec
might be voted by the IESG on Thursday, since publication of the
profile as experimental would not require a "Last Call" waiting
period.  Perhaps the IESG would be willing to accept our statement
that the profile is ready except for the ordering of the entries in
Table 2, but my guess is that they would not.

So, my suggestion is that we forgo trying to get a vote on the RTP
spec this Thursday.  ASAP, we should propose an arrangement for
sharing the code space with ITU-T that is acceptable to us, the AVT
WG, and put that in the profile, and submit it for Last Call.  At the
same time, this proposal should be presented to SG15 through the email
exchanges that have already begun, and I also plan to make a phone
call.

Assuming the RTP spec and profile are then accepted by the IESG, then
perhaps we will want to adjust the code space arrangement as a result
of discussions with SG15 during the RFC editing process, but when the
profile is published, the assignment will be as we expect to use it.
As Mark Handley suggested, if we need to make more significant changes
after that, then we go to RTP version 3.

Do I hear concensus on this?

One question to consider as part of designing the arrangement of the
payload type codes: Which of the current assignments, if any, need to
remain exactly as they are?  Some points:

- Note that we are currently using both ITU-T and non-ITU-T encodings,
  so we'd have duplicate assignments for PCMU, etc., if we just take
  part of the space that is currently empty and say that is the part
  to be under ITU control.

- vat does not (yet) use RTP, so if the assignments are different from
  those used in the code space of the vat protocol, it won't matter
  for vat.  NeVoT implements both vat protocol and RTPv2, so it would be
  affected, as would people who have built upon it.

- vic uses RTPv2 primarily, with backward compatibility modes using
  RTPv1.  However, if I remember correctly, vic has an incompatibility
  hurdle to cross already because of the RTCP packet type code change
  to the range 200-205.  Earlier in the game, it seemed that crossing
  that hurdle would not be a problem, but it has probably gotten
  harder as time has passed.

- Some other programs (nv, ivs) are still at RTPv1, so changing
  payload type codes can be done at the same time as the change to
  RTPv2.

- There are other RTPv2 programs.  What is the impact on them?

							-- Steve
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Does anyone know how sd (session directory) selects a "unique"
multicast port?  I am trying to reliably start up an MBONE conference
without going through sd.  With the sddump, you have to explicitly
specify which port you wish to listen on.  Thanks.


Alan
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From: Van Jacobson <van@ee.lbl.gov>

Sd uses an algorithm called "informed, partitioned, random assignment"
to allocate both addresses & ports.  It is loosely based on some 1960s
work Bell Labs did on distributed trunk allocation & some late 80s
Australian & Canadian work on adaptive binning for histograms &
stochastic coders.  If you can get a copy of my SIGCOMM tutorial
notes from last year, they contain a brief description of the
algorithm.

Because of something called the "birthday problem" in probability
theory, distributed, dynamic allocation from a relatively small
address space is not easy if you want a solution that scales up
to Internet (or even MBone) user populations.  Sd is very scalable --
it explicitly accounts for session scope (both topological & temporal --
explicit scope is what leads to the "partitioned" in the algorithm
name) and, thus, can fill the address space many times over.  Under
almost any reasonable extrapolation of the current use, sd's algorithm
scales 4 to 6 orders of magnitude better than a dynamic allocation
algorithm the Columbia was pushing last year.

Sd was designed to coexist with other dynamic allocation algorithms
and be fairly robust in the face of different allocation strategies
(all addresses are fed through a pseudo-random perturbation table
so that structure in the pattern of external allocations will not
be misinterpreted as structure that changes sd's dynamic partitioning).
But, since it's so hard to come up with a scalable address allocation
algorithm, you might be better off just using sd.  We had always intended
to split sd into 2 pieces: a daemon that did address allocation &
caching (that you presumably ran only one copy of per site) and user
interface agents that just provided an sd-like GUI to the daemon.
Mark Handley at UCL has since taken over sd development but I believe
he is thinking along similar lines.  Given the daemon, you can allocate
an address by simply sending it an RPC saying what the time and space scope
is & what, if any, other information should be advertised about the session
(it should be possible to allocate addresses without saying what
they are going to be used for).

 - Van

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Hello folks,
I was just wondering if there are hooks in .sd.tcl (or any other mechanism)
which I could use to exclude session announcements matching a certain pattern 
>from the session list? In particular, I'm looking for a way to exclude
sessions which will never reach me 'cos their TTL is set too low.
For example, there are currently six MBONE DE sessions showing in my sd - 
I'm sure I'd like to know about them if I could access them, but as
it stands they just clutter up the session list.


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>I was just wondering if there are hooks in .sd.tcl (or any other mechanism)
>which I could use to exclude session announcements matching a certain pattern 
>from the session list? In particular, I'm looking for a way to exclude
>sessions which will never reach me 'cos their TTL is set too low.
>For example, there are currently six MBONE DE sessions showing in my sd - 
>I'm sure I'd like to know about them if I could access them, but as
>it stands they just clutter up the session list.

Actually, the sessions in question can reach you right now through a
test Mbone over ATM tunnel (I mailed mbone-uk about this a month or
two ago).  If you can see it in sd, you should be able to receive it.

This particular tunnel will go away (as far as you're concerned) as
the sites involved start to use administrative scoping.

The version of sd I'm working on does however let you hide sessions
you know you're not interested in, and quite a bit more.  

Mark



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On Wed, 21 Jun 1995 ijj@inf.rl.ac.uk wrote:

> Hello folks,
> I was just wondering if there are hooks in .sd.tcl (or any other mechanism)
> which I could use to exclude session announcements matching a certain pattern 
> from the session list? In particular, I'm looking for a way to exclude
> sessions which will never reach me 'cos their TTL is set too low.
> For example, there are currently six MBONE DE sessions showing in my sd - 
> I'm sure I'd like to know about them if I could access them, but as
> it stands they just clutter up the session list.

If the TTL is high enough for the session announcement to arrive then it
is high enough for the conference traffic to arrive.  The TTL on the
German sessions is high enough because there is an SMDS link between
Germany and the UK as part of the PNO ATM and MICE ATM tests.

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Hi -

On Monday, June 26, we'll be running a multicast out of the San Francisco
Opera House where U.S. President Clinton and UN Secretary-General Boutros 
Ghali will be presiding over a ceremony marking the 50th Anniversary of 
the signing of the United Nations Charter.  

We realize that this coincides with a shuttle launch and will keep a single 
audio and video stream with constrained bandwidth.  The ceremony is schedule 
to start at 10AM Pacific Time on Monday June 26.  We'll be multicasting over 
the IMS: Internet Town Hall channels, or you may access the sessions via the 
web at:

	http://town.hall.org/places/un

The usual caveats against these one-shot projects apply.  In particular, our 
computers will be set up underneath the stage and we're hopeful that the various 
presidential, city, and UN security details will feel that our computers mesh 
properly with their security guidelines.

This multicast is being produced at the request of the United Nations, who sent 
a note to Steve Deering expressing their belief that the UN and the Internet 
shared common goals of world peace through better communications.  ;-)  Support 
for this project is being furnished by BBN Planet (http://www.bbnplanet.com), 
SSDS (http://www.ssds.com), and Sun (http://www.sun.com).

Carl Malamud
Internet Multicasting Service

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I would like to suggest, if it hasn't come up before, that a limited
version of sd be developed that does not allow users to create sessions,
but only to receive announcements (such as sd_listen) and to launch them. 
This would allow the distribution of sd (and the mbone tools it calls up)
on university networks without concern as to novice users creating
unscheduled/over-bandwidth sessions, but would allow such users to view
sessions. 

Would it be "a lot" of work to take out the new session button and 
distribute the program as "sd_receive" or something like that?

Ken Feingold
Graduate Computer Art Dept.
School of Visual Arts, New York

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>I would like to suggest, if it hasn't come up before, that a limited
>version of sd be developed that does not allow users to create sessions,
>but only to receive announcements (such as sd_listen) and to launch them. 
>This would allow the distribution of sd (and the mbone tools it calls up)
>on university networks without concern as to novice users creating
>unscheduled/over-bandwidth sessions, but would allow such users to view
>sessions. 
>
>Would it be "a lot" of work to take out the new session button and 
>distribute the program as "sd_receive" or something like that?

Yes, this is a good idea - we've had this requirement too, and it's
not only our students that have created or joined and disrupted Mbone
sessions.  

An alternative is to restrict sd to only sending with a limited ttl,
or to restrict Mbone tools started from sd to a limited ttl, or a
limited administrative scope.

This is on my list of intended features, but it's surprising how much
faster this feature list grows than the code gets written :-) 

The fixes are trivial, and for this purpose, we don't need to worry
too much about smart users getting around it - it's only really naive
users that won't figure out where to ftp an unrestricted version from
:-)

Mark

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From: Alexandros Eleftheriadis <eleft@ctr.columbia.edu>

On Wed, 21 Jun 95 00:21:50 PDT, Van Jacobson wrote:

    Sd uses an algorithm called "informed, partitioned, random assignment"
    to allocate both addresses & ports.  It is loosely based on some 1960s
    work Bell Labs did on distributed trunk allocation & some late 80s
    Australian & Canadian work on adaptive binning for histograms &
    stochastic coders.  If you can get a copy of my SIGCOMM tutorial
    notes from last year, they contain a brief description of the
    algorithm.
    
    Because of something called the "birthday problem" in probability
    theory, distributed, dynamic allocation from a relatively small
    address space is not easy if you want a solution that scales up
    to Internet (or even MBone) user populations.  Sd is very scalable --
    it explicitly accounts for session scope (both topological & temporal --
    explicit scope is what leads to the "partitioned" in the algorithm
    name) and, thus, can fill the address space many times over.  Under
    almost any reasonable extrapolation of the current use, sd's algorithm
    scales 4 to 6 orders of magnitude better than a dynamic allocation
    algorithm the Columbia was pushing last year.

Oops, I almost missed that :-)

Van, I don't think this is a fair and complete assessment. The assumptions
used in the two algorithms are different: sd's scheme does not *guarantee*
that "cross-talk" between sessions will never occur, whereas the scheme we
proposed (and not pushed for) does. Also, in a paper that will appear in the
next (I believe) issue of JSAC, it is shown how to achieve extremely good
scaling properties (albeit with required modifications in existing
protocols). sd has several good features, but is not a panacea ;-)

--Alexandros

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Van Jacobson wrote:

> [...]
>
> Because of something called the "birthday problem" in probability
> theory, distributed, dynamic allocation from a relatively small
> address space is not easy if you want a solution that scales up
> to Internet (or even MBone) user populations.  Sd is very scalable --
> it explicitly accounts for session scope (both topological & temporal --
> explicit scope is what leads to the "partitioned" in the algorithm
> name) and, thus, can fill the address space many times over.  Under
> almost any reasonable extrapolation of the current use, sd's algorithm
> scales 4 to 6 orders of magnitude better than a dynamic allocation
> algorithm the Columbia was pushing last year.
> 

Just to add a footnote to that, when designing the Columbia address
management scheme, we did not want to impose any restrictions on the
geographical location of the participants (which is what sd does through 
the scoping mechanism Van describes). If you don't place such a restriction, 
then session advertizement is not a scalable solution.


Alexandros Eleftheriadis wrote:

> Van, I don't think this is a fair and complete assessment. The assumptions
> used in the two algorithms are different: sd's scheme does not *guarantee*
> that "cross-talk" between sessions will never occur, whereas the scheme we
> proposed (and not pushed for) does. Also, in a paper that will appear in the
> next (I believe) issue of JSAC, it is shown how to achieve extremely good
> scaling properties (albeit with required modifications in existing
> protocols). sd has several good features, but is not a panacea ;-)
> 
> --Alexandros
> 

The paper Alexandros refers to is also available from 

ftp: ftp.ctr.columbia.edu/CTR-Research/advent/public/papers/94/pej94a.ps.gz

or through my home pages:

html://www.ctr.columbia.edu/~sassam/html/publications.html

In it, we have included an analysis of a random address selection scheme
(with no limitations) and the probability of address collision under
such a scenario. Random address selection works pretty well now since
MBONE users are still a small community. It might not be an adequate solution 
in a few years from now.

Sassan



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    The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers

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   IEEE Virtual Reality Annual International Symposium 1996

                 March 30 - April 3 1996
                  Santa Clara Marriott
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        **** All submissions due by September 1, 1995 ****

Tutorial Session: March 30-31, 1996
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   * We will be including the video proceedings with the bound proceedings at
     no extra cost.

VRAIS '96 will be located in the Santa Clara Marriott, a hotel with an intimate
atmosphere across from Great America theme park. The Marriott is located 1/2
mile from the San Jose light rail, only a 15 minute ride from downtown San Jose.

Please watch our Web site at http://www.eece.unm.edu/eece/conf/vrais.  As
VRAIS '96 matures these pages will be updated to tell you the latest features
and developments.

Speaking for the VRAIS '96 conference committee, we look forward to seeing you
in March!

General Chair
Steve Bryson
CSC/NASA Ames Research Center


P A P E R S ___________________________________________________________________

VRAIS '96 seeks original high-quality technical papers in all areas of virtual
reality. Topics of interest include (but are not limited to):

            SOFTWARE                          HARDWARE
        Computer Graphics              Computational Hardware
           Simulation                     Graphics Hardware
Animation and Behavioral Modeling              Displays
                                        Sensors and Actuators

          APPLICATIONS                      HUMAN FACTORS
 Prototype and Fielded VR Systems         Issues and Studies

                                               SYSTEMS
       TECHNIQUES AND TOOLS                 Architectures
Environment Design and Development    Distributed and Shared VR
    Interaction and Navigation              Telepresence
           Calibration                    Augmented Reality

Acceptance Criteria: Papers should describe original research; generalized
solutions to specific problems of importance to the advancement of virtual
reality; and working tools and applications developed to at least the prototype
stage.

Research papers should describe:

   * the problem being addressed
   * previous work and how the current work differs
   * a detailed description of the research and how it addresses the stated
     problem
   * and results from tests or studies performed

Solution papers should provide:

   * a discussion of the problem
   * details of the implementation (adequate to allow an expert in the field to
     judge the work)
   * and the results of experiments showing how the work is a general solution
     to the stated problem

Application papers should describe:

   * the application task
   * the reason for applying VR
   * details and justification of the chosen design and implementation
   * difficulties encountered in the design and implementation and how they
     were overcome
   * and the impact of the VR technology on the application

Industry technologists are encouraged to submit papers.

A selection of the best VRAIS '96 papers will be extended and
included in a special issue of IEEE Computer Graphics and Applications
(CG&A) on VR.

Papers must be in English and must be submitted in a format of no more than
eight double column, single spaced pages. In a cover letter, please include the
complete title of the paper and name, address, phone, fax, and email
information for the author who will be the point of contact. Send 6 copies of
the full paper (fax and email papers will not be accepted) and associated
videotapes to:

Sharon Stansfield
sastans@sandia.gov

By U.S. mail:                        By courier:

Sharon Stansfield                    Sharon Stansfield
Sandia National Laboratories         Sandia National Laboratories
P.O. Box 5800, MS 0951               1515 Eubank Blvd. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87185-0951           Albuquerque, NM 87123


P A N E L S ___________________________________________________________________

Panels are presentations that cover a specific area from several perspectives
including lively discussion of controversial issues. Panel proposals should
include:

   * a title for the panel session
   * a brief description of the overall issues to be discussed
   * an abstract of each panelist's presentation
   * the names and contact information of the organizer and panelists

For more information on panel submissions, contact:

Sharon Stansfield
Sandia National Laboratories
sastans@sandia.gov


T U T O R I A L S _____________________________________________________________

Tutorials are half-day or full-day in length covering topics of interest to the
virtual reality community. They may present introductory or advanced topics and
may be broad-based overviews or deal with specialized topics. Some suggested
topics are:

   * Hardware: I/O devices, their uses, integration, experiences, design
   * Software: architecture, networking, modeling, rendering, tools
   * Applications: specific domains, experiences
   * Human Factors: usability, psychophysical effects

Tutorials will be selected based on relevance, timeliness, and coherence. A
tutorial submission is a three-page proposal that includes:

   * a detailed description of the subject to be taught
   * brief biographies of the instructors
   * a syllabus including the length of time needed to cover each topic
   * the instructors' contact information

For more information on tutorial submissions, contact:

Chris Codella
codella@watson.ibm.com

Submit tutorial proposals via email or send to:

By U.S. mail:                        By courier:

Chris Codella                        Chris Codella
IBM T.J. Watson Research Center      IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
P.O. Box 704                         30 Saw Mill River Rd.
Yorktown Heights, NY 10598           Hawthorne, NY 10532


V I D E O S ___________________________________________________________________

Video submissions demonstrate hardware and software systems and applications.
Each video should stand on its own. A submission consists of:

   * 3 copies of a video segment not to exceed 5 minutes in length in 1/2 inch
     NTSC VHS format
   * a one-page information sheet containing a 200 word abstract plus
     references and acknowledgments; title, authors, affiliations, and contact
     information including email address for the lead author

Label tapes with title and authors. For more information on video submissions,
contact:

Joseph M. Rosen, M.D.
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center
joseph.rosen@Dartmouth.edu


S T U D E N T   V O L U N T E E R S ___________________________________________

Student volunteers will play a vital role in the operation of VRAIS '96. Each
student volunteer's registration will be waived in return for a minimum number
of hours worked. Student volunteers will be selected from applications based on
references.

For more information about student volunteers, contact:

Mark Green
University of Alberta
mark@cs.ualberta.ca


R E S E A R C H   D E M O N S T R A T I O N S _________________________________

The conference will provide space to non-commercial organizations for research
demonstrations in virtual reality. Demonstrations will be selected based on a
peer-review process. Demonstrators will be required to provide their own
equipment.

For more information on research demonstrations, contact:

Henry Sowizral
Boeing Computer Services
sowizral@atc.boeing.com

E X H I B I T S  ______________________________________________________________

Vendors, manufacturers, and publishers are invited to display and demonstrate
their latest innovations to the movers and shakers of virtual reality.
Potential exhibitors are encouraged to contact the Exhibits and Demonstrations
Chair for more information.

Who Should Exhibit at VRAIS '96

VRAIS '96 is aggressively pursuing both new exhibitors and new attendees in
industrial, academic, and scientific disciplines. Exhibiting companies should
have or be developing products or services in:

   *  Input devices
        o  Trackers
        o  Wands
        o  Gloves
   *  Output devices
        o  3D sound
        o  Haptic displays (force and tactile)
   *  Display devices
        o  Head mounted
        o  Head coupled
        o  3D projection
   *  Software
        o  World building (CAD)
        o  Translation
        o  Animation
        o  Applications
        o  Educational
        o  Tools
   *  Hardware
        o  Workstations
        o  Rendering Boards
        o  Graphics solutions
   *  Virtual Reality systems
   *  Publishers

The VRAIS '96 conference committee is committed to increasing the diversity of
participants and exhibitors over past years' conferences while maintaining the
conference's high technical quality.

The conference will be advertised within the United States and internationally
via direct mail, electronic mail, the World Wide Web, press releases, journals,
and newsletters.

For more information on exhibits, contact:

Henry Sowizral
Boeing Computer Services
sowizral@atc.boeing.com


The VRAIS '96 organizing committee welcomes your participation in the premier
technical conference on virtual reality and looks forward to seeing you in
March 1996.







Framework for Immersive Virtual Environments and
Presence: Teleoperators and Virtual Environments.

FIVE'95
Framework for Immersive Virtual Environments

FIRST ANNUAL CONFERENCE OF THE FIVE GROUP

The FIVE group is pleased to announce a collaboration with the journal
"Presence: Teleoperators and Virtual Environments" (MIT Press).  Authors of
the best papers presented at this conference will be invited to submit full
papers for consideration as articles in a special issue of PRESENCE after a
further
review process. As a result of this new situation we have extended the
deadline for papers to be submitted under the following call to JULY 7th.
This deadline is absolute, and papers received after this date will not be
considered. People who have already submitted papers need take no further
action.


VENUE:
Queen Mary & Westfield College,
University of London.
18-19th December 1995

URL http://www.dcs.qmw.ac.uk/~mel/Five/conference.html

FIVE  is a European group of leading researchers in Virtual Environments,
aiming to construct a coherent and distinctive paradigm for study and
advancement of immersive VEs.  The group is funded by the European ESPRIT
programme. The work of FIVE will be presented at the conference. Papers are
invited from researchers in the field contributing to the  foundations of
Virtual Reality.

PROGRAM:

* Day 1 involves presentations from the key researchers of the Working
Group, including a keynote talk by a Group representative.

* Day 2 is introduced by a Keynote Speaker, from outside the Group, Dr
Steven Ellis of NASA Ames Research Centre, and the University of California
at Berkeley.

IMPORTANT DATES:

Deadline for submission of papers:                      7th  July
Papers reviewed by:                                     21st July
Acceptance to be notified by:                           31st July

Accepted papers are to be published in the conference proceedings.

SUBMISSION OF PAPERS:
Submissions should be  6 COPIES of between 10-16 double spaced (A4 or US
Letter) sides. Author's name, affiliation, contact information, and 150-200
word abstract should be included on the title page.  Send to:
Sylvia Wilbur
Dept of Computer Science,               Tel:  +44.171.975 5202
Queen Mary & Westfield College,         Fax: +44.181.980 6533
Mile End Road,                          Email:  sylvia@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
London E1 4NS, UK

Conference Organising Committee:
Mel Slater              Queen Mary & Westfield College, Computer Sci. London, UK
Sylvia Wilbur           Queen Mary & Westfield College, Computer Sci.
London, UK.
Malcolm George          Queen Mary & Westfield College, Basic Medical Sciences.
Thomas Flaig            IPA, Fraunhofer Institute, Stuttgart, Germany
Daniel Thalmann         EPFL, Lausanne, Switzerland
Nadia Thalmann          MIRALab, University of Geneva,Switzerland
Michael Bednarzyk       AEA, Ruhr-University Bochum, Germany
Massimo Bergamasco      PERCRO, Scuola Superiore S. Anna
John Green              DIVISION, Bristol, UK
Richard Gregory         Perceptual Systems Research Centre, University of
Bristol.
Gavin Brelstaff         Perceptual Systems Research Centre, University of
Bristol.







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             V I R T U A L   R E A L I T Y   W O R L D  '96
                     * Europe's leading VR event *

                    February 13 - February 15, 1996
                          Stuttgart, Germany

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                               Background
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The 'Virtual Reality World' is THE event for everybody involved with a 
special or all the different aspects of Virtual Reality today and in the 
future. As Europe's leading and biggest VR event the VRW consists of 
different parts like a conference, an exhibition, an experience park, 
workshops etc. which offer plenty of possibilities for internationally 
exchanging experiences and knowledge between people representing the VR 
community, researchers, firms which are planning to or already use VR 
technology and people simply interested in VR.

The VRW '96 is the follower of the successful VRW '95, which was also 
held in Stuttgart, Germany as an integration of the three famous 
European VR-conferences VR-Forum, Stuttgart, VR-Expo, London and VR-Vienna. 
With visitors from 15 different countries, more than 700 people at the 
conference, 2300 people at the experience park and about 2.000 people at 
the exhibition the VRW '95 has shown that the strong interest in VR has 
left the research institutes and has reached new forms of real 
applications in industry. As a consequence of this development the 
VRW '96 lays its emphasis especially on the discussion and presentation
of fields where VR technology is currently beeing used.

A special focus of the conference is the dissemination of results gained by
research projects supported by the Commission of European Communities. All
participants of VR related EU-projects are especially invited to join the
conference.

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The VRW '96 consists of several different parts: a Pre-Conference 
with Special Courses, Hands-on Tutorials and Workshops to selected 
topics, a Conference splitted into several sessions, an Exhibition of 
state-of-the-art VR software, hardware and applications, an Experience 
Parc especially for the entertainment field, Special Interest Group 
meetings and the Interactive Art Contest whose winners and results will 
be shown at the spectacular final Interactive Festival.

Because of the diversity of the VRW '96 separate procedures and 
deadlines for participation at the different parts have been designated. 
For more information you should look under the corresponding detailed 
description.

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The aim of the Pre-Conference is to offer a detailed entry or deepening 
into VR-related topics by three different kinds of courses. Besides the 
mentioned examples nearly every topic named under the Conference 
description could be also choosed for the courses. Firms which would 
like to introduce and present their VR-software and hardware products or 
their actual use are also encouraged to send their suggestions.

C o u r s e s:
Half-day lectures for Beginners, Advanced and Professionals in special 
topics (e.g.: introduction to OpenGL or overview of VR Systems); 
unlimited participation.

T u t o r i a l s:
Half-day or all-day hands-on courses to broader topics (e.g.: 
introduction to VR); limited to 30 participants.

W o r k s h o p s:
Presentation of mostly scientific papers in very special topics.

If you are intending to hold a course, tutorial or workshop, please send 
us a detailed description of the contents (3-4 pages) together with a 
rough schedule for the run of events. After the selection we will inform 
you about the further procedure.

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The Conference will be divided into several sessions containing talks 
related to each other. Possible topics for the conference are:

VR in Medicine                Architecture              Robotics
Virtual Prototyping           VR & Entertainment        VR & Education
Human Computer Interfaces     Applied Research in VR    Commercial Tools
Tools in R&D                  New Media                 Facial Expressions
Hardware                      Military Applications     Virtual Simulators
VR in Industry                VR in Society             Telecommunication
VR & Artificial Intelligence  VR & Standards            VR & TV production
Virtual Actors                VR & Online Services      VR & Art
VR in Therapy                 VR & Tourism              VR & Law

Authors are invited to send an electronic form or two paper copies of an 
extended abstract (max. 8.000 chars) to the address below. The selection 
of speakers will take place on the basis of the abstracts reviewed by the 
program committee after the deadline. Full versions of all accepted papers 
will be published in the VRW '96 conference proceedings distributed among 
the participants of the workshop and also available for the public.

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The Interactive Art Contest (IAC) is a special offer to artists in the 
VR and computer community who have searched for a platform to perform 
and present their interactive work to and with a large audience. 
There are no special requirements for participating the IAC, just the 
more or less massive use of electronic tools and most important the 
interaction with the (whole) audience is appreciated. The results of the 
IAC will be presented at the big final event of the VRW '96, the 
Interactive Festival with hundreds of visitors, where the best results will 
be awarded.

If you have a great idea in that context please contact us under the 
address below. Even if you do not have the full equipment or know-how 
yet, do not hesitate to send in the description of your idea (1-2 pages) 
together with a rough plan of the run of events and the equipment. If 
necessary we will discuss how we can support you. We are very curious 
about your creative inspiration!

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Like the year before the VRW '96 offers again facilities for SIG Meetings 
related to VR. If your SIG intends to benefit from the international 
gathering of the VR community please contact us as soon as possible, 
so we can schedule together.

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Pre-Conference: August    21st, 1995: deadline for course descriptions 
                September 19th, 1995: notification of acceptance
                February  13th, 1996: VRW '96: courses/tutorials/workshops

Conference:     August    21st, 1995: deadline for abstracts
                September  4th, 1995: notification of acceptance
                October   30th, 1995: full papers
                February  14th, 1996: VRW '96 - conference

Art Contest:    August     1st, 1995: deadline for project ideas
                August    15th, 1995: notification of acceptance of ideas
                November   1st, 1995: deadline for completed art projects
                November  15th, 1995: notification of acceptance of projects
                February  15th, 1996: VRW '96 - awards at the
                                      Interactive Festival

SIG Meetings:   November   1st, 1995: deadline for letters-of-intend
                November  15th, 1995: notification of acceptance of SIGs
                February  13th, 1996: VR-SIG meetings

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To send in your request please use the MAIN ADRESS below. For e-mail you 
should further enter the corresponding keyword in your SUBJECT field
to become sure that you will reach the responsible partner.

Keywords:  PRE-CONFERENCE, CONFERENCE, EXHIBITION, EXPERIENCE, SIG,
           INFORMATION, BOOKING, HOTELS, MEDIA, ART, SPONSOR.

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Organizer:        IDG conferences & seminars
                  VRW '96
                  Rheinstrasse 28
                  80803 Munich
                  Germany

                  Email: VRW.IDG@IAO.FhG.de
                  Phone: +49-89-36086-390
                  Fax  : +49-89-36086-274

Hotline to responsible project manager:
                  Stephan Wawrzinek
                  100104.2125@compuserve.com

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Co-Organizer:     Fraunhofer Institute for 
                   Industrial Engineering (FhG-IAO)
                  Fraunhofer Institute for
                   Manufacturing Engineering and Automation (FhG-IPA)
                  Stuttgart, Germany

                  Email: Andreas.Roessler@IAO.FhG.de
                  Fax  : +49-711-970-2299

Supported by:     COMPUTERWOCHE 
                  Munich, Germany

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FIRST WORKSHOP ON SIMULATION AND INTERACTION IN VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENTS

The program, registration, travel and accommodations info for the
First Workshop on Simulation and Interaction in Virtual Environments
(SIVE95) are included below.  Easier-to-read versions (Postscript,
html), plus additional workshop information, are available on the
workshop WWW page:
  http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~cremer/sive95.html

Space remains for only a few additional registrants.  If you wish to
attend, you must register by June 26.  If you do intend to register,
please let us know via e-mail as soon as possible.

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       SIVE95 --- PROGRAM, TRAVEL, AND REGISTRATION INFORMATION

  FIRST WORKSHOP ON SIMULATION AND INTERACTION IN VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENTS

         Sponsored by the Office of Naval Research, ACM Siggraph
       and The University of Iowa Center for Computer Aided Design

                 The University of Iowa July 13-15, 1995

PROGRAM CO-CHAIRS: J. Cremer (Iowa), D. Manocha (UNC), G. Vanecek (Purdue)
PROGRAM COMMITTEE: N. Badler (Penn), D. Baraff (CMU), P. Fishwick (Florida),
J. Helman (SGI), L. Hodges (Ga. Tech), J. Kearney (Iowa), H. Ko (Iowa)
M. Lin (NPS), D. Pai (UBC), Y. Papelis (Iowa), M. Raibert (MIT),
A. Witkin (CMU), M. Zyda (NPS), D. Zeltzer (MIT)

SCOPE AND ORGANIZATION OF THE WORKSHOP
--------------------------------------
This two-and-a-half day workshop will be a technical forum examining the
state of the art and open research problems in simulation, geometry,
scenario, and other supporting software technologies for virtual
environments.  It will include two keynote speeches, eight paper/panel
sessions, two poster sessions, Iowa Driving Simulator demonstrations and
demonstrations of participants' software.

The paper/panel sessions will consist of 4-6 short talks, followed by a
discussion period.  The poster sessions will begin with each presenter
speaking to the general audience for five minutes, followed by
simulataneous poster presentations.

Workshop proceedings will be distributed to all participants and also
placed in a widely accessible ACM World Wide Web on-line proceedings
repository.

PRELIMINARY SCHEDULE
--------------------
Thursday, July 13
   8:30 - 9:00   Registration/coffee
   9:00 - 9:15   Welcome and opening remarks
   9:15 - 10:00  Keynote speaker #1 - J. Rossignac (IBM) -
                 "Virtual Reality as a Productivity Tool"
   10:00 - 10:30 break
   10:30 - 12:00 Session 1: Geometry for large scale virtual environments
   12:00 - 1:30  catered lunch on-site (included)
   1:30 - 2:15   Keynote speaker #2 - J. Hollerbach (Utah)
                 "Haptic Interfaces for Teleoperation and Virtual Environments"
   2:15 - 4:15   Session 2: Virtual environment modeling
   4:15 - 5:45   Poster Session  1 (plus snacks - soda/cookies)
   6:30 - ??     Reception/dinner (included)

Friday, July 14
   8:30 - 10:00  Session 3: Interactive dynamics simulation
   10:00- 10:30  break
   10:30 - 12:00 Session 4: Behavior and scenario modeling
   12:00 - 1:30  lunch (on your own)
   1:30 - 2:45   Session 5: Collision detection
   2:45 - 3:15   break
   3:15 - 4:45   Session 6: Applications/architectures
   4:45 - 5:30   Poster session 2 (different posters)
   5:30 - 7:30   Iowa Driving Simulator demos (enough time for about 1/3 of
participants to drive)

Saturday, July 15
   9:00 - 10:30  Session 7: Humans in virtual environments
   10:30 - 10:45 break
   11:00 - 12:15 Session 8: Human-computer interaction/Human factors
   12:30 - 3:30  Iowa Driving Simulator demos
   12:30 - 3:30  Software demonstrations (at CS and/or IDS facility)
   12:30 - 3:30  informal small group wrap-up sessions
   3:30 - ??     picnic/cookout/activities at local park

SESSION SPEAKERS (listed alphabetically, not by final speaking order)
----------------

SESSION 1: GEOMETRY FOR LARGE SCALE VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENTS
Session chair - D. Manocha (UNC).

 1. S. Kumar, S. Krishnas, D. Manocha (UNC), ``Fast Display of Complex
    CSG Environments''
 2. Naylor (AT\& Bell Labs), ``What Trees Can Do For Large Synthetic
    Environments''
 3. J. Oliver (Iowa State),"Unstructured Surface and Volume Decimation of
    Tessellated Domains''
 4. A. Varshney (UNC), P. Agarwal (Duke), F. Brooks (UNC), W. Wright
    (UNC), H. Weber (UNC), ``Automatic Generation of Multiresolution
    Hierarchies for Polygonal Models''

SESSION 2: VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT MODELING
Session chairs: R. Deyo (E\&S), J. Helman (SGI)

 1. R. Deyo, P. Isaacson (Evans and Sutherland), ``Pitfalls in
    Large-scale Real-time Simulation''
 2. S. Donikian (IRISA, France), ``Realistic Driving Simulations in
    Virtual Urban Environments for the Praxitele Project''
 3. J. Helman (SGI), ``A Framework for Real-Time Simulation and
    Interaction''
 4.  M. McNeill, S. Lambourn, P. Lister, R. Grimsdale (U. Sussex, UK),
    "Knowledge-based Techniques in the Generation of Virtual Environments''
 5. Y. Papelis (Iowa), ``Logical Modeling of Roadway Environment to
    Support Real-time Simulation of Autonomous Traffic''
 6. M. Setas, M. Gomes, (INESC, Portugal) J. Rebordao, (INETI, Portugal),
    "Dynamic Simulation of Natural Environments in Virtual Reality''

SESSION 3: INTERACTIVE DYNAMICS SIMULATION
Session Chair - J. Cremer (Iowa)

 1. D. Baraff (CMU), "Physical Simulation with Contact: Approaches and
    Challenges''
 2. J. Chen, (IST, U. Central Florida), "Simulation and Synchronization
    of Fluids in a DIS''
 3. B. Mirtich (UC Berkeley), "Hybrid Simulation: Combining Constraints
    and Impulses''
 4. D. Pai, J. Siira, K van den Doel (UBC), ``Interactive Simulation of
    Physical Systems in Virtual Environments''
 5. J.-S. Pang (Johns Hopkins) and J. Trinkle (Texas A\&M), ``Dynamic
    Multi-rigid-body Systems with Concurrent Distributed Contacts''

SESSION 4: BEHAVIOR AND SCENARIO MODELING
Session chair - J. Kearney (Iowa)

 1. N. Badler, W. Becket, J. Granieri (Penn), ``Real-time simulation of
    synthetic human agents''
 2. P. Doenges (Evans and Sutherland), ``Behavior Simulation Requirements
    and Systems Approach for Real-time Virtual Environments''
 3. R. Fitzgerald (Evans and Sutherland), ``Facilitating Real-time
    Behavior Simulation in a Parallel Processing Environment''
 4. J. Kearney, J. Cremer (Iowa), ``Improvisation and Opportunism in
    Scenario Control for Virtual Environments''
 5. J. Laird (Michigan), ``Generating realistic behavior in VEs''

SESSION 5: COLLISION DETECTION
Session chair - M. Lin (ARO/UNC)

 1. P. Hubbard (Cornell), ``Real-time Collision Detection and
    Time-critical Computing''
 2. M. Ponamgi, J. Cohen, M. Lin, D. Manocha (UNC), ``Incremental
    Collision Detection for Polygonal Models''
 3. G. Vanecek, C. Gonzalez-Ochoa (Purdue), ``Representing Complex
    Objects in Collision Detection''
 4. G. Zachmann, W. Felger (FhG-IGD-Darmstadt, Germany), ``The BoxTree:
    Enabling Real-time and Exact Collision Detection of Arbitrary
    Polyhedra''

SESSION 6: APPLICATIONS/ARCHITECTURES
Session chair - C. Cruz-Neira (Iowa State)

 1. C. Cruz-Neira (Iowa State), P. Bash (Argonne Nat. Lab.),
    ``Integrating High Performance Computing and Communications with Virtual
    Reality for Interactive Molecular Modeling: The VIBE System''
 2. K. O'Connell, V. Cahill, A. Condon (Trinity College Dublin, Ireland),
    ``The VOID Shell: A Toolkit for The Development of Distributed Video
    Games and Virtual Worlds''
 3. L. Piguet (NASA Ames), T. Fong (MIT), B. Hine (MIT), E. Nygren (MIT),
    ``VEVI: A Virtual Reality Tool For Robotic Planetary Explorations''
 4. R. Stiles, L. McCarthy, M. Pontecorvo (Lockheed Martin), ``Training
    Studio Interaction''

SESSION 7: HUMANS IN VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENTS
Session chair - H. Ko (Iowa)

 1. A. Bruderlin, T. Calvert (Simon Fraser), ``Knowledge-based Animating
    of Human Figures''
 2. J. Hodgins, W. Wooten (Georgia Tech), ``Simulating the Motion of
    Human Athletes''
 3. H. Ko (Iowa), "Real-Time Animation of Human Locomotion''
 4. D. Reece (IST/Univ. Central Florida), ``Soldier Agents in a Virtual
    Urban Battlefield''
 5. D. Shawver (Sandia Nat. Lab.), ``VR/IS Lab Virtual Actor Research
    Overview''
 6. J. Troy, M. Vanderploeg (Iowa State), ``Interactive Simulation and
    Control of Planar Biped Devices''
 7. M. Waldrop, D. Pratt, S. Pratt, R. McGhee, J. Falby
    (Nav. Post. School), ``Real-time Upper Body Articulation of Humans in
    a Networked Interactive Virtual Environment''

SESSION 8: HUMAN-COMPUTER INTERACTION/HUMAN FACTORS

 1. C. Burnette (Univ. of the Arts), ``The Advanced Driver Interface
    Design/ Assessment Project''
 2. R. Kennedy (Essex Corp.), ``Incidences of Fatigue and Drowsiness
    Reports from Three Dozen Simulators: Relevance for Sopite Syndrome''
 3. T. Kesavadas (Iowa State), ``Virtual Interaction --- Tools for
    Robotic Manipulation in the Real World''
 4. Creve Maples (Sandia Nat. Lab.), ``MUSE: A Functionality-based,
    Human-Computer Interface''
 5. J. Vance (Iowa State), ``Research in Implementing a Virtual
    Environment for Engineering Design''

POSTER SESSIONS
---------------
We have invited a number of people to give poster presentations and expect
these
to be excellent sessions.  This list will be made available when we are more
certain of these invitees' participation.


IOWA DRIVING SIMULATOR DEMONSTRATIONS
-------------------------------------
Participants will have an opportunity to drive the Iowa Driving
Simulator (IDS) --- an immersive driving environment incorporating
real-time dynamics, advanced image generation, motion platform with dome
and interchangeable auto cabs, force feedback, audio, very high
resolution terrain databases, and reactive scenario traffic.  IDS
demonstrations will take place on Friday evening and mid-day on
Saturday.  Driving the IDS requires about 15 minutes per pair of people.
Only about 1/3 of the participants will be able to drive on Friday
evening --- the rest will drive on Saturday.

ACCOMMODATIONS
--------------

A block of rooms has been reserved at the Iowa House hotel, located
within the Iowa Memorial Union (where the workshop will be held).
Nightly rate: $60 per single or double room
Phone: 319/335-3513
Fax: 319/335-0497

A small additional block of rooms has been reserved at the Holiday Inn
in the center of Iowa City.  The Holiday Inn is 5 blocks from the
workshop site and the Iowa House hotel.  The Holiday Inn is located on
Iowa City's pedestrian mall, with shopping, cafes and restaurants, etc.
The Holiday Inn also contains health club facilities, a pool, and so on.
Nightly rate: $65/single, $70/double
Phone: 319/337-4058 or 1-800-HOLIDAY

Reservations must be made before June 15 to guarantee availability
and the rates listed above.

TRAVEL TO THE WORKSHOP
----------------------

Even though Iowa City is a small midwestern town, it is easily reached
by air.  The Cedar Rapids Municipal Airport is served by several major
airlines including American, Delta, Northwest, TWA, United, and USAir.
The airport is located between Iowa City and Cedar Rapids, 20 miles from
the workshop hotels.

Airport limousine service is available from Airport Express for about
$20 one way. Call 1-800-351-5224 (or 319-358-8000) for reservations.
When you call tell them you are part of the SIVE workshop.  They'll
usually have a driver in the arrival area holding a sign saying ``UI
SIVE''. If they pick up multiple SIVE participants at once, the first
person will be charged $20, while additional people will be $5 each
(you'll have to fight this out among yourselves!).  The trip takes 25
minutes.

Rental cars and taxis are also available.

WORKSHOP WWW HOMEPAGE
---------------------
Updated meeting information, a preliminary schedule, registration
details, and further information about the workshop is available via
the World Wide Web at URL:
  http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/\verb~cremer/sive95.html

More readable versions (Postscript and HTML) of this document and
others are available on the WWW page.
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REGISTRATION
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for other participants.  Included in this fee: lunch and
dinner/reception the first day, and workshop proceedings and materials.

To register, complete and return the form on the following page:


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-------------------------------------

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Subject: Re: DVI Incompatibility
In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 10 Jun 95 18:02:37 N.
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 01:37:38 PDT
From: Van Jacobson <van@ee.lbl.gov>

On 10 Jun 1995, Henning Schulzrinne said:
> There are (at least) four possibilities: (1) Put the first
> sample unencoded into the header and encode 160 bytes. The
> unencoded sample is simply used as a predictor for the first
> sample (which happens to be the same). [This appears to be the
> vat approach and is the NeVoT approach.]
> 
> (2) Same as 1), but encode only the following 159 samples. The
> last four bits in the packet are meaningless (zero). The
> receiver, unfortunately, can't tell unless it knows that each
> packet contains 160 ms (or at least knows that packets contain
> an even number of samples). A sender doing (2) actually works
> reasonably well with a receiver doing (1).
> 
> (3) Use 161 samples, conforming to the 'DVI standard'.
> Conformance is rather useful if either hardware or system
> libraries produce that format. 161 samples obviously don't fit
> well with the rest and may not agree with certain hardware
> restrictions.

To which Jack Jansen replied:
> I would go for the first solution, put the predictor in the
> header. After all, we don't really need the predictor if we had
> an error-free link, it is just there because the sample-stream
> can be broken, so it can be seen as part of the transport
> protocol, not part of the adpcm sound protocol.

It looks to me as if Jack made the same mistake I did: he
mentally translated Henning's option 1 into something sensible
then said "yes, we should do this sensible thing" (which just
happens to be what Jack's coder & the vat coder derived from it
do).  Unfortunately, what Henning said & the text he put in the
profile document is not at all sensible & not what the existing
coders do (except, possibly, nevot's).  The existing coders put
the *prediction* (i.e., what the coder thought the next sample
would be at the time it coded the last sample of the previous
frame) into the header.  This means every sample's nybble is
treated identically in both the coding & decoding loops.

What Henning's text actually says is to put the first sample of
the current frame in the header (presumably this means the coder
should discard the final prediction of the previous frame & code
the first sample's delta nybble as '0' but god only knows if
this is what Henning thought he was suggesting when he said "The
unencoded sample is simply used as a predictor for the first
sample (which happens to be the same)").  This makes for a more
complicated coder (since you treat the first sample of a frame
specially) and is almost guaranteed to cause audible artifacts
in the output stream since every 20ms (50Hz) you quantize 1
sample with different rules than are used for all the others.

I agree with what Jack suggested (which we have 3 years of
experience with & which is known to work well) -- put the
predictor in the header, not the first sample.

 - Van

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Dear Sir,

this mail includes the call for papers of the PROMS 95 workshop for 
multimedia systems which will be held at Salzburg University. If you 
have any questions, please feel free to contact me. If this mail is 
of no interest for you, please apologize the inconvenience.

best regards,
Thomas Auer
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*  Univ. of Salzburg, |                          William Butler Yeats *
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_______________________________________________________________________
begin of CFP
_______________________________________________________________________
	       	      PROMS '95

                 Second Workshop on
	    Protocols for Multimedia Systems
            "Mozart on Multimedia Highways"
                  Salzburg, Austria
                  October 9-12, 1995 
              
               An international workshop 
organized by University of Salzburg and TechnoZ-Fachhochschule, Austria 
     sponsored by TechnoZ GmbH Salzburg, Sony Salzburg, Austria 
                   Siemens Wien, Austria
           http://www.cosy.sbg.ac.at/proms/
                          
          	  CALL FOR PAPERS
OBJECTIVE 
*********
The 2nd Workshop on Protocols for Multimedia Systems (PROMS' 95) is  
intended to contribute to scientific, strategical and practical cooperation 
between research institutes and industrial companies with emphasis on  
multimedia protocols and intelligent management tools for (super)highways. 
The motto "Mozart on multimedia highways" is not only to remember 
of the great musician born in Salzburg, the host city of PROMS 95,
but also to focus on the NEW sound of this workshop: Are the (super)highways 
today intelligent enough for the transmission of the "Magic Flute"? 

The PROMS' 95 objectives:
   - To present, address and discuss research, project lines and 
     achievements on protocols and intelligent management tools for 
     multimedia applications with emphasis on their usage on network 
     (super)highways.
   - To focus on scientific contributions, standardization and practical 
     results in the area of multimedia protocols and 
     their adaptation to ATM, satellite and mobile networks, 
     as well as in the area of intelligent network management,
     policy based and intelligent routing, traffic prediction, 
     security and protocol accounting
   - To emphasize on practical integration of the research 
     on modelling, simulation, performance analysis of multimedia
     protocols and intelligent networking techniques for efficient 
     multimedia application networking in the various forms of  
     today existing and future information (super)highways 
   - To demonstrate and evaluate efficiency of multimedia applications  
     ("Multimedia live") using new protocol functions and 
     intelligent networking tools considering end user criteria and
     requirements for Costs, Quality of Service, Network Access,
     Routing Policy, Security, Application Interface, and System Integrity.

PROGRAM COMMITTEE
*****************
Horst D. Clausen (Uni Salzburg, Austria)      
N. Georganas (Uni Ottawa, Canada)
Bezalel Gavish (Vanderbilt Uni, USA) 
M.S. Obaidat  (City Uni of New York, USA)
Shi-Kuo Chang  (Uni Pittsburgh, USA)
C. Bormann (Uni Bremen, Germany)
Son T. Vuong  (British Columbia, Canada)
B. Atwood (Concordia, Canada)
Jun-ichi Mizusawa (NTT, Japan)
O. Spaniol (RWTH Aachen, Germany)
A. Seneviratne (University of Technology, Australia)
H. Kruse (Ohio Uni, USA)
E. Biersack  (EUROCOM, France)
I. Miloucheva (ATS, Germany)
A. Schill (TU Dresden, Germany)
M. Kaul (GMD, Germany)
R.A.Butler (Robert Gordon Uni, UK)   

PROGRAM CHAIR
*************
Prof. Dr. habil. Ulrich Hofmann (Uni Salzburg, Austria)

SCOPE
*****
Research contributions, standardization and practical experience with 
design, implementation, integration, interworking and management of 
multimedia protocols and applications on the information (super)highways:
 - Media specific and QoS considerations in design and implementation of 
   communication protocols
 - Application, media and protocol integration:
   Synchronization of media streams, orchestration of functional units,
 - Multiparty and group communication protocols and applications,
   Multicast networking and routing, group management 
 - Network access and management functionality: accounting, security,  
   authentication, privacy, intelligent and policy based routing
 - Mobile networking and routing, multimedia communication architectures 
   for mobile networks, management of mobile networks 
 - Performance analysis of multimedia applications and protocols: 
   modeling, simulation, and control theoretical approach 
 - Accounting and costs of communication services  
 - Optimization of protocol and application performance for different 
   network QoS provision (i.e. high delay paths)
 - Protocol and application adaptation to ATM QoS and Adaptation Layers,
   protocol performance over ATM 
 - Protocols and applications for satellite networks and gateways, 
   Protocol performance over satellite, including
   hybrid satellite/terrestrial networks, and satellite applications
 - Multimedia applications and IP/IPnG interworking
 - Multimedia applications on the (super)higways: video-on-demand,
   virtual community, teleworking, teleteaching 
 - Resource reservation and multimedia traffic engineering
 - Implementation of multimedia protocols and applications: 
   integration of media storage and communication mechanisms, 
   operating system and high performance issues, efficient interfacing
 - Techniques for specification of multimedia protocols and application,
   methods for real-time test and analysis of implementations, 

SUBMISSION 
**********
- Please send your papers in postscript form.
   via email:         proms-submission@cosy.sbg.ac.at
   via anonymous ftp: ftp.cosy.sbg.ac.at /pub/proms
   via mail: PROMS 95
	     Institut fuer Computerwissenschaften
             z.Hd. Prof. Ulrich Hofmann
             Jakob-Haringer-Str. 2
	     A-5020 Salzburg, AUSTRIA
- Submissions must include abstract and keywords.

IMPORTANT DATES
***************
Submissions due:      Aug. 20,   1995
Author notification:  Sept. 1,    1995

We will appreciate also later submissions if they are significant for PROMS 95.
For extended information about organization, keynote speaker, demonstration, 
venue, registration and .... Mozart please refer to:
        <A HREF="http://www.cosy.sbg.ac.at/proms/">Proms on the WWW</A>

or contact:   Prof. Ulrich Hofmann uho@cosy.sbg.ac.at
              Dr. Ilka Miloucheva ilka@prz.tu-berlin.de

WELCOME TO SALZBURG
*******************
Summer Art Festival, Mozart, Trapp-family, Mountains, Lakes,
Saltmines, Palaces and Gardens, Mirabell and Hellbrunn - 
these are some words which are inherently connected with the city of Salzburg.  
Attention for the guests of Salzburg-a "Schnuerlregen"(a special kind of rain),
mixed with the "Little Night Music" over the rooftops ...
Especially for our PROMS 95 guests:
 - Different kinds of demos with multimedia and multicast protocols, 
   satellite/ATM interconnection, transathlantic demos,
 - Multimedia Welcome at the "High Tech" Sony factury in Salzburg
 - 4 PROMS 95 Days for workshopping at Salzburg University and TechnoZ Research
 - "Sound of Music" Tour .... 



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Subject: Re: DVI Incompatibility
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:54:52 +0200
From: Jack Jansen <Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl>


> On 10 Jun 1995, Henning Schulzrinne said:
> > There are (at least) four possibilities: (1) Put the first
> > sample unencoded into the header and encode 160 bytes. The
> > unencoded sample is simply used as a predictor for the first
> > sample (which happens to be the same). [This appears to be the
> > vat approach and is the NeVoT approach.]

Recently, Van Jacobson <van@ee.lbl.gov> said:
> I agree with what Jack suggested (which we have 3 years of
> experience with & which is known to work well) -- put the
> predictor in the header, not the first sample.

Yes, we should definitely put the predictor in the header, not the
real sample value. I initially also made the mistake of sending the
real sample value, but this will cause the coder and decoder to go out
of sync. The problem is not serious (I investigated the drift, and it
turned out that for all samples I checked the coder and decoder were
in sync again after 5 or 6 samples, and often faster than that), but
there isn't really a good reason to let them get out of sync in the
first place.

Actually, to soften the point a little: if you also start the coder
with the initial sample value then the coder and decoder won't go out
of sync. Still, there's really no point in doing so: we have this nice
bit of history that helps our audio quality, why throw it away?

The fact that Microsoft got it wrong doesn't mean we should get it
wrong also. If people happen to mis-read the specs and implement the
microsoft algorithm there'll be a slight loss of quality when the two
algorithms interoperate, but it will probably be tolerable.
--
Jack Jansen        | If I can't dance I don't want to be part of
Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl | your revolution             -- Emma Goldman
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Whether you use the predicted value or the actual first sample should 
not make any difference in terms of quality - obviously, both sender 
and receiver have to do the same thing. The history is encapsulated in 
the 'index' state. It is not clear to me why using the actual value by 
both sides is worse than using a predicted value; you'd expect it to be 
(very slightly, in all likelihood) better. There is also absolutely no 
difference in codec complexity.

It also so happens (as Jack can easily verify from the printed spec I 
mailed him) that putting the sample in the header is the correct thing 
according to the "real" DVI spec. In the pseudo-code for the encoder, 
it says:

For the first block only, clear the initial step table index
  Index = 0
Get the first sample, Samp0.
Create the block header:
  write the first sample, Samp0, to the header
  Write the initial step table index, index, to the header
Set the previously predicted sample value:
  PredSamp = Samp0

While there are still samples to encode, and we're not at the end of 
the block
  Get the next sample to encode, SampX
  Calculate the new sample code
    Diff = SampX - PredSamp
    (...etc...)


However, this is only a very minor point and wasn't the point of my 
original message. (NeVoT has used the predicted value until very 
recently; I was actually assuming I made the mistake in not using the 
actual sample value on both sides :-) As Jack points out, even if one 
implementor bases his codec on the pseudo-code from the spec and 
another uses the current codec based on Jack's work, things work. (I 
tried it.)

The far more important point (and the one causing interoperability 
problems with hardware/library PC codecs) is that in 
Intel/Microsoft/IMA DVI, the first sample is *not* encoded again within 
the post-header-bytes. (There's no reason to - you have it in full 
16-bit precision from the header.) This means that 80 bytes hold 160 
*additional* samples, for a total of 161 samples. Again, see the pseudo 
code from the spec. 161 samples is not a "nice" number, so there's an 
argument to be made to be incompatible with the spec.

If we want to create a new audio encoding that is subtly different from 
Intel/IMA/Microsoft DVI, we are obviously free to do so. We should be 
honest enough not to call it DVI, though. People in the PC area (where 
codecs come as DLLs) expect a DVI codec to behave according to the DVI 
spec, and are a bit surprised... The profile is trying to point out 
where the difference(s) lie, if we decide that they are worth 
maintaining. We can't rely on everybody continuing to use Jack's codec, 
as nice as it is to have the code around.

Henning



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Subject: Re: DVI Incompatibility
To: van@ee.lbl.gov, rem-conf@es.net
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Van,

There is one key point that you did not address.  Henning did not make
up the idea of having the first 16 bits be the first (uncompressed)
sample.  I have not checked the references, but Henning said this is
what the the IMA and Microsoft DVI ADPCM Wave type spec says.  You may
be one of many who have no great love for Microsoft, but I believe it
was this algorithm that Jack Jansen was implementing.  I gather from
Jack's message that he was working from incomplete information from
the IMA about the algorithm, but I don't know if the details of the
first sample operation were part of the uncertainty or not.

It seems that compatibility with the specification of the algorithm,
and its implementation in hardware codecs or in software interfaces
that we may need to accommodate, is a useful goal.  Apparently there
is also a discrepancy with that specification in the even vs. odd
number of samples, so perhaps full compatibility is not practical.

The real question is how hard are the fixups that would be required
under each of the algorithm choices we might make to adapt between a
hardware or software codec meeting the Microsoft spec and a mixer loop
with 160 sample PCM as its native "frame" (roughly speaking)?

							-- Steve
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                     Pacific Rim  Regional
                      Economic Conference

                             with

                          Bill Clinton
                              and
                            Al Gore

                    Tuesday, June 27th, 1995
                       ~7:00am-4:00pm PDT
                           (GMT-0700)

  National leaders will converge in the Smith Memorial Center of
Portland State University in Portland, Oregon Tuesday, June 27th,
1995, for the _Pacific Rim Regional Economic Conference_.
  President Bill Clinton, Vice President Al Gore, and various
cabinet members will meet with aproximately 200 community and
business leaders from the Pacific rim states. The conference
will center around three panel discussions :

	+ The Regional Economy

	+ Strains on Working Families with Emphasis
	    on Education

	+ Trade and High Technology

  Video and audio will be downloaded live directly from onsite
network press feeds and broadcast via MBone. Video will be sent
via "nv" format at 128k and audio via "vat". We will be using the
multicast address 224.5.71.120 with audio on port/id 53297/15728
and video port/id 53298/15729. An "sd" session will be broadcasted
shortly.


-eric

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:46:29 -0500
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From: t.b.reddington@att.com (tom reddington)
Subject: Re: sd and multicast ports
Cc: AVT Working Group Conference <rem-conf@es.net>, 
    Kira Atwood <ksa5w@virginia.edu>, Andy Booker <arb8n@virginia.edu>

Sd uses an algorithm called "informed, partitioned, random assignment"
to allocate both addresses & ports.  It is loosely based on some 1960s
work Bell Labs did on distributed trunk allocation & some late 80s
Australian & Canadian work on adaptive binning for histograms &
stochastic coders.  If you can get a copy of my SIGCOMM tutorial
notes from last year, they contain a brief description of the
algorithm.

Because of something called the "birthday problem" in probability
theory, distributed, dynamic allocation from a relatively small
address space is not easy if you want a solution that scales up
to Internet (or even MBone) user populations.  Sd is very scalable --
it explicitly accounts for session scope (both topological & temporal --
explicit scope is what leads to the "partitioned" in the algorithm
name) and, thus, can fill the address space many times over.  Under
almost any reasonable extrapolation of the current use, sd's algorithm
scales 4 to 6 orders of magnitude better than a dynamic allocation
algorithm the Columbia was pushing last year.

Sd was designed to coexist with other dynamic allocation algorithms
and be fairly robust in the face of different allocation strategies
(all addresses are fed through a pseudo-random perturbation table
so that structure in the pattern of external allocations will not
be misinterpreted as structure that changes sd's dynamic partitioning).
But, since it's so hard to come up with a scalable address allocation
algorithm, you might be better off just using sd.  We had always intended
to split sd into 2 pieces: a daemon that did address allocation &
caching (that you presumably ran only one copy of per site) and user
interface agents that just provided an sd-like GUI to the daemon.
Mark Handley at UCL has since taken over sd development but I believe
he is thinking along similar lines.  Given the daemon, you can allocate
an address by simply sending it an RPC saying what the time and space scope
is & what, if any, other information should be advertised about the session
(it should be possible to allocate addresses without saying what
they are going to be used for).

 - Van

tom reddington

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From: t.b.reddington@att.com (tom reddington)
Subject: receive-only sd possible?
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I would like to suggest, if it hasn't come up before, that a limited
version of sd be developed that does not allow users to create sessions,
but only to receive announcements (such as sd_listen) and to launch them.
This would allow the distribution of sd (and the mbone tools it calls up)
on university networks without concern as to novice users creating
unscheduled/over-bandwidth sessions, but would allow such users to view
sessions.

Would it be "a lot" of work to take out the new session button and
distribute the program as "sd_receive" or something like that?

Ken Feingold
Graduate Computer Art Dept.
School of Visual Arts, New York

tom reddington

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In message <Pine.SUN.3.91.950621085957.960A-100000@panix.com> you write:
>I would like to suggest, if it hasn't come up before, that a limited
>version of sd be developed that does not allow users to create sessions,
>but only to receive announcements (such as sd_listen) and to launch them. 

I wrote a quick program called 'sl' ("session launcher") not too long ago.  It 
uses a helper program which is essentially a perl version of "sd-listen" in 
order to maintain the session list.  The real reason I wrote it is because it 
can display static sessions (i.e. from a file on disk) as well as advertised 
sessions, which is useful when you want to use administratively scoped group 
addresses for conferences, since 'sd' doesn't understand that kind of scoping 
yet.

However, given Mark's work, I'm not sure whether it would be useful to release 
'sl', especially given its unfinished state.

  Bill


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The online video to accompany Internet Society 95 paper 039, "Networked Ocean
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If you wish to insert a hot link to the video in the hypermedia
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please do so at Reference 8, Tracey Emswiler's thesis.

The compressed file is 13.8 M and uncompresses to 18 M.  Playing time
is 3:30.  Format is QuickTime.

The video describes how the Hamming lecture series "Learning to Learn"
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applications that relate to our regional education network.

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fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner) writes:
>
> administratively scoped group addresses for conferences, since 'sd'
> doesn't understand that kind of scoping yet.
> 

What exactly are administratively scoped group addresses?  Or, maybe
the better question would be "where can I find some documentation on
them?"
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From: Paul Harrington <phrrngtn@dcs.st-and.ac.uk>



Bill> I wrote a quick program called 'sl' ("session launcher") not too
Bill> long ago.  It uses a helper program which is essentially a perl
Bill> version of "sd-listen"

I wrote a perl sd_listen based on the decoding code from Bill's WWW
gateway to test some mcast wrapper functions. Todd Montgomery of NASA/WVU
has done the same for Python and then, of course, there is the
original one in C.

You can also do some hacky things by supplying a definition of
proc heard_session
in your .sd.tcl

With a bit of fudging (because 'send' appears to be undefined by
whatever interpreter handles .sd.tcl), you can get new session
announcements to be sent into Tk interpreter world.

Hopefully, Mark will release code fragments for parsing new SDP
packets and people can go off and build whatever kind of interface
they want on top of it .... won't be long till someone comes up with a
kill button that will tell their mrouted's not to honour joins for
particular groups. At which point we will probably have a flame about
censorship :-)


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In message <3siq2d$lug@flop.mcom.com> you write:
> Or, maybe
>the better question would be "where can I find some documentation on
>them?"

The slides from Van's presentation in Toronto are probably the best written 
explanation you will find; they are in the online minutes at 
http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/proceedings/94jul/rtg/idmr.html.

The mrouted man page explains the mrouted.conf syntax for specifying scope 
boundaries.

  Bill


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From: Jack Jansen <Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl>


Recently, Henning Schulzrinne <schulzrinne@fokus.gmd.de> said:
> Whether you use the predicted value or the actual first sample should 
> not make any difference in terms of quality - obviously, both sender 
> and receiver have to do the same thing. The history is encapsulated in 
> the 'index' state. It is not clear to me why using the actual value by 
> both sides is worse than using a predicted value; you'd expect it to be 
> (very slightly, in all likelihood) better. There is also absolutely no 
> difference in codec complexity.

Yes, you're right. Sorry, my brain must have been in low gear when I
replied to Van's posting.
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Cisco Networkers 95 West Broadcasting Schedule

Date		From 	To		Name		
====		====	==		====
June 27,1995 	8:30am	9:30am		General Session 1
June 28,1995	8:30am  9:30am          General Session 2
June 28,1995    10:00am 12:00am         Panel Discussion 1 
June 28,1995    4:00pm  6:00pm          Panel Discussion 2
June 29,1995    8:30am  9:30am          General Session 3

Each session will provide both audio and video transmission. The video will
be transmitted at 20-32kbps since there are other activities happening this
week on the MBONE.

Also see http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/690/WWW_index.html 

This schedule has been entered in http://www.msri.org/mbone.



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The Campus Broadcasting Association of the University of Twente in The 
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>from the University of Twente at June 27th 1995, 8pm to 9pm CET.

Details:

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Further details on the transmission can be found at
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From: Van Jacobson <van@ee.lbl.gov>

> There is one key point that you did not address.  Henning did
> not make up the idea of having the first 16 bits be the first
> (uncompressed) sample.  I have not checked the references, but
> Henning said this is what the the IMA and Microsoft DVI ADPCM
> Wave type spec says.  You may be one of many who have no great
> love for Microsoft, but I believe it was this algorithm that
> Jack Jansen was implementing.

Steve,

I was objecting to the variation Henning proposed because it
doesn't work -- I'm not sure it matters whether Henning or
Microsoft came up with the idea (I concede that both are good at
coming up with things that don't work).  The DVI coder appears
to be a simple, fixed, first order predictor with a non-adaptive
log quantizer on the slope.  Because of simple structure,
certain choices of freq. and gain give large quantization
errors.  Try the following experiment:  Run a moderate amplitude
(say 1/2 FS) medium freq (say 500Hz) pure tone through the
encoder & decoder.  If the coder is implemented the way Jack did
it, there's a half-cycle turn-on transient then the output
settles down to a fairly good representation of the input with
no frequency structure other than the 500Hz.  If the coder is
implemented as Henning proposed, the turn-on transient is twice
as long and there are ~10% spikes every 160 samples (i.e., there
will be clearly audible 50Hz noise).  This happens because
Jack's decoder only sees quantized values so it settles down to
self-consistent, linear behavior fairly quickly.  Henning's
decoder sees an unquantized value every 160 samples, then
quantized values for the next 159.  Since there can be a
substantial difference between the reconstructions based on
quantized vs. unquantized, Henning's/Microsoft's scheme can
introduce artifacts at the start of every frame.  I.e., every
20ms for 160 sample frames.  This makes noise.

There is also a secondary problem with the longer turn-on
transient in Henning's scheme (which happens because it
essentially uses a 0th order estimator on the 1st sample of a
frame -- the slope after the first sample is always 0 -- which
screws up the slope tracking 1st order estimator for several
following samples).  I imagine this would be audible whenever
there were large changes in frequency content happening at small
multiples of the frame time (e.g., a mixture of voiced &
unvoiced phonemes) but I haven't tested this.  (I'm sure it
would be a much smaller effect than the 50Hz noise.)

Based on other things they've done, my impression is that
Microsoft does not publish standards for the same reasons we do.
Since it takes Microsoft many years to accomplish anything,
their `standards' appear intended more as a strategic weapon to
delay or derail implementation of new ideas by their more agile,
cleverer, competition -- if the competion does things right,
Microsoft says it's non-standard; if they follow `the standard',
they waste time in a dead-end rathole (a friend once showed me a
long, long list of `standards' that Microsoft published for
others then later totally ignored).

If this is the case, it's not surprising that `the standard'
doesn't work -- it was designed to not work.  (E.g., a
`standard' that requires an odd number of samples in a frame.)
Since we're already completely incompatible with `the standard'
if we use sane frame sizes, I don't see that we gain anything by
screwing up the coder just to be `less incompatible'.  Why not
simply say that "the dvi coder was developed by Jack Jansen and is
loosely based on a Microsoft spec with the same name."  That way
we're left with a working coder that has the structure that
every DSP text in the world says it has to have & Microsoft can
continue to do whatever it is they're going to do with their `standard'.

 - Van

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I have seen a couple of people change their name fields to say that they
are experiencing high loss; could you reply *privately to me*, not to the
list, with your mrouter's IP address and what kind of loss you are seeing
on these sessions?  I have been seeing MBONE losses over the past few days
and want to see if we can track them down with this widely-used session.

Thanks,
  Bill

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To the IETF AVT working group:

I have discussed coordination of the RTP profile with Dale Skran,
editor of H.22Z in ITU-T Study Group 15.  We concluded that it would
be best to proceed with the existing RTP Audio/Video Profile without
trying to divide or rearrange the payload type number space to allow
for both ITU and IANA to manage parts of it.  Dale pointed out that
there is a non-trivial risk that even if we came up with a plan that
seemed satisfactory to us now, that might be rejected by later stages
of the ITU process, leaving us with pain but no gain.  There is still
interest in considering RTP for use in H.22z, but it is proposed that
a separate profile be defined for H.22Z.  It is likely that a separate
profile would be needed because of the "tight control" scheme that is
desired for H.22Z in any case.  It is expected that applications could
determine which profile was to be used based on the control
interactions used to establish the session, although having different
profiles is likely to require more work in the implementation.

Are there any comments on this plan?

Allison Mankin would like us to submit the RTP profile for Last Call
as soon as possible.  The DVI issue has received some comment; it
looks like resolution that would achieve concensus would be to keep
the definition of the encoding as it has been but changing the name
(perhaps MDVI) and clarifying that this is not the Microsoft standard.
Agreed?

Are there comments on other aspects of the profile draft?  If this
change were made, would it then be ready for Last Call?
							-- Steve

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Subject: Re: AVT and ITU-T SG15 coordination
Author:  Murray R. Cantor
Date:    6/28/95  9:24 AM

I believe that having two "standard" control protocols on the LAN raises more 
issues than more work for the implementors. 

We need to anticipate a IP/H.320 environment that will allow for heterogeneous 
(both LAN and H.323 gateway) endpoints in a multipoint call. This situation 
will include late joining. It seems to me that the proposed dual-standard will 
result in either:

- switching from RTP to H.22z if a H.323 endpoint joins the conference., or
- supporting both control protocols in sthe same conference, or
- only supporting h.22z no matter how the conference is set up.

By increasing the possible state space, this dual approach increases complexity 
of the required applications. This complexity unnecessarily create 
inefficiencies for the application providers and leads to more expensive or 
more buggy software (or both). For example, testing  for interoperability 
between applications and IP/H.320 solutions becomes all the more difficult.

IF the IETF and ITU can not coordinate their efforts, it is likely that we (the 
solution providers) will be forced into increasing complicated implementation 
issues as other areas of overlap evolve (e.g. INTSERV and T.RES), This will 
have a chilling effect of the industry.

Lets find a way to have a single set of standards for real-time audio and video 
in IP networks.

_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: AVT and ITU-T SG15 coordination
Author:  Stephen Casner <casner@cavebear.com>
Date:    6/28/95  3:12 AM

To the IETF AVT working group:

I have discussed coordination of the RTP profile with Dale Skran,
editor of H.22Z in ITU-T Study Group 15.  We concluded that it would
be best to proceed with the existing RTP Audio/Video Profile without
trying to divide or rearrange the payload type number space to allow
for both ITU and IANA to manage parts of it.  Dale pointed out that
there is a non-trivial risk that even if we came up with a plan that
seemed satisfactory to us now, that might be rejected by later stages
of the ITU process, leaving us with pain but no gain.  There is still
interest in considering RTP for use in H.22z, but it is proposed that
a separate profile be defined for H.22Z.  It is likely that a separate
profile would be needed because of the "tight control" scheme that is
desired for H.22Z in any case.  It is expected that applications could
determine which profile was to be used based on the control
interactions used to establish the session, although having different
profiles is likely to require more work in the implementation.

Are there any comments on this plan?

Allison Mankin would like us to submit the RTP profile for Last Call
as soon as possible.  The DVI issue has received some comment; it
looks like resolution that would achieve concensus would be to keep
the definition of the encoding as it has been but changing the name
(perhaps MDVI) and clarifying that this is not the Microsoft standard.
Agreed?

Are there comments on other aspects of the profile draft?  If this
change were made, would it then be ready for Last Call?
       -- Steve


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Murray has stated his point well.  I agree and want to point out that two
standards tends to allow each camp to insist that theirs is best, and only
work with that, ignoring the other.  Then it becomes a matter of who wins,
(beta or vhs), and what becomes of the poor users who bet on the wrong
thing, and the poor vendors who can't sell product because the users are
unwilling to gamble.

Dave



At 09:23 AM 6/28/95 EDT, Murray R. Cantor wrote:
>
>Subject: Re: AVT and ITU-T SG15 coordination
>Author:  Murray R. Cantor
>Date:    6/28/95  9:24 AM
>
>I believe that having two "standard" control protocols on the LAN raises more 
>issues than more work for the implementors. 
>
>We need to anticipate a IP/H.320 environment that will allow for heterogeneous 
>(both LAN and H.323 gateway) endpoints in a multipoint call. This situation 
>will include late joining. It seems to me that the proposed dual-standard will 
>result in either:
>
>- switching from RTP to H.22z if a H.323 endpoint joins the conference., or
>- supporting both control protocols in sthe same conference, or
>- only supporting h.22z no matter how the conference is set up.
>
>By increasing the possible state space, this dual approach increases
complexity 
>of the required applications. This complexity unnecessarily create 
>inefficiencies for the application providers and leads to more expensive or 
>more buggy software (or both). For example, testing  for interoperability 
>between applications and IP/H.320 solutions becomes all the more difficult.
>
>IF the IETF and ITU can not coordinate their efforts, it is likely that we
(the 
>solution providers) will be forced into increasing complicated implementation 
>issues as other areas of overlap evolve (e.g. INTSERV and T.RES), This will 
>have a chilling effect of the industry.
>
>Lets find a way to have a single set of standards for real-time audio and
video 
>in IP networks.
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>Subject: AVT and ITU-T SG15 coordination
>Author:  Stephen Casner <casner@cavebear.com>
>Date:    6/28/95  3:12 AM
>
>To the IETF AVT working group:
>
>I have discussed coordination of the RTP profile with Dale Skran,
>editor of H.22Z in ITU-T Study Group 15.  We concluded that it would
>be best to proceed with the existing RTP Audio/Video Profile without
>trying to divide or rearrange the payload type number space to allow
>for both ITU and IANA to manage parts of it.  Dale pointed out that
>there is a non-trivial risk that even if we came up with a plan that
>seemed satisfactory to us now, that might be rejected by later stages
>of the ITU process, leaving us with pain but no gain.  There is still
>interest in considering RTP for use in H.22z, but it is proposed that
>a separate profile be defined for H.22Z.  It is likely that a separate
>profile would be needed because of the "tight control" scheme that is
>desired for H.22Z in any case.  It is expected that applications could
>determine which profile was to be used based on the control
>interactions used to establish the session, although having different
>profiles is likely to require more work in the implementation.
>
>Are there any comments on this plan?
>
>Allison Mankin would like us to submit the RTP profile for Last Call
>as soon as possible.  The DVI issue has received some comment; it
>looks like resolution that would achieve concensus would be to keep
>the definition of the encoding as it has been but changing the name
>(perhaps MDVI) and clarifying that this is not the Microsoft standard.
>Agreed?
>
>Are there comments on other aspects of the profile draft?  If this
>change were made, would it then be ready for Last Call?
>       -- Steve
>
>
>
==================================================================
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>From: tgl@mtgbcs.mt.att.com (Terry G Lyons)

....stuff deleted...

>So what should the ITU do?  In my humble opinion

>    A. Presume an eventual Internet standard much like RTP etc. today.

I would recommend that those who care and want to contribute their
input participate actively in the IETF's RTP effort. If their are
issues that are not being addressed, they can be considered in that
arena. 

>    B. Discontinue H.22Z as a normative specification.  There should be
>    no competing definition of the multiplex and payloads.

I agree.

>
>    C. List key characteristics of the IP solution that will affect how
>    the ITU specifies gateway interfaces to H.320 on the WAN.  Document
>    these in H.323 (the top-level system) or a subordinate document.

>    Key characteristics include:  multicast audio and video, distributed
>    mixing of audio and video at each receiver, option (encouragement?)
>    not to transmit audio silence, means to indicate skew of independent
>    audio and video timestamps, ....
>
>    If it is helpful in motivating H.323, the current formats of RTP etc.
>    could be summarized in a non-normative appendix.
>
>    D. Start a new specification, e.g. H.24Z, to cover the value added
>    uniquely by the ITU.  This involves signaling to interconnect WAN-
>    to-LAN or vice versa; associating multiple media into one session;
>    harmonizing encodings through capabilities and commands; setting the
>    maximum video output rate; control of gateway/MCU features, even if
>    it does not scale well; and supplementary services like conference,
>    transfer, forward, ....
>
>    (I can't tell if the plan was to load all this into H.245.  That is
>    now being frozen July 10 as a white paper for decision, which seems
>    too early to accommodate the imperfectly understood needs of H.323.)
>
>The scope proposed for H.24Z is traditional to the ITU.  It may be recognized
>that the ITU has a background of some expertise in this area.  I don't think
>these are topics where the IETF has proposed solutions yet.

As far as I can tell there has been very little interest in the IETF
for developing an RFC with the scope of the proposed H.24Z.  The view
at IETF is that if video runs over NISDN, it will run over IP over PPP
over ISDN.  I can see that some value would be gained if the people
working on H.24Z also start up a working group within IETF to develop
a companion RFC (Informational?) to explain (from the IETF point of
view) the gateway function.  



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Murray Cantor is right that the IETF and ITU should coordinate their efforts
to have a single set of standards for real-time audio and video in IP networks.

A reasonable way to achieve this is through the IETF process of moving RTP,
RTCP, AV profile, and H.261 payload toward the status of Internet standards.
The ITU can assume a successful outcome and has no need of its own H.22Z.

The ITU's current plan to document and freeze early something like RTP (but
not exactly) will only retard our progress:

    1. It has caused AVT to discuss needlessly some disturbing changes
    (partitioning of payload types) at the last minute.

    2. It has obscured a more modest request to add a few payload types
    for H.320 audio encodings:  G.711 A-law, G.722, and G.728.

    3. If RTP etc. are refined as they progress and so diverge further,
    it will compound the ill effects that Murray identified.

    4. A focus on H.22Z diverts the ITU from other work it must still do
    (which the IETF is not engaged in).

A formal relationship between the ITU and Internet Society is still unresolved.
It's not a good idea to begin with the ITU taking over and disrupting an almost
completed solution that "belongs" to the IETF.

Besides, RTP is only part of what the ITU would need for a workable IP solution.
Concepts of a "gatekeeper" have been rightly criticized as incomplete.  Should
the ITU then swallow a more comprehensive design like RSVP?  This would defeat
the timetable for "decision" in 1996.

I suggest that the complexities of the IP domain may be beyond the competence
of the small band of collaborators in WP1/15.  The ITU should acknowledge the
expertise of IETF and not try to second guess it.  (In part it has, by opting
to follow the H.261 payload encoding.  But -- an example of #3 above -- H.22Z
was based on version N-1 (already out of date) when a new more robust H.261
payload encoding version N+1 was introduced.  The improvements were based on
practical experience at LBL.  ITU's deliberations are less well founded.)

So what should the ITU do?  In my humble opinion

    A. Presume an eventual Internet standard much like RTP etc. today.

    B. Discontinue H.22Z as a normative specification.  There should be
    no competing definition of the multiplex and payloads.

    C. List key characteristics of the IP solution that will affect how
    the ITU specifies gateway interfaces to H.320 on the WAN.  Document
    these in H.323 (the top-level system) or a subordinate document.

    Key characteristics include:  multicast audio and video, distributed
    mixing of audio and video at each receiver, option (encouragement?)
    not to transmit audio silence, means to indicate skew of independent
    audio and video timestamps, ....

    If it is helpful in motivating H.323, the current formats of RTP etc.
    could be summarized in a non-normative appendix.

    D. Start a new specification, e.g. H.24Z, to cover the value added
    uniquely by the ITU.  This involves signaling to interconnect WAN-
    to-LAN or vice versa; associating multiple media into one session;
    harmonizing encodings through capabilities and commands; setting the
    maximum video output rate; control of gateway/MCU features, even if
    it does not scale well; and supplementary services like conference,
    transfer, forward, ....

    (I can't tell if the plan was to load all this into H.245.  That is
    now being frozen July 10 as a white paper for decision, which seems
    too early to accommodate the imperfectly understood needs of H.323.)

The scope proposed for H.24Z is traditional to the ITU.  It may be recognized
that the ITU has a background of some expertise in this area.  I don't think
these are topics where the IETF has proposed solutions yet.

The message to industry would be:  Implement RTP etc. as specified by the IETF
but also H.24Z as specified by the ITU -- the two complement each other and
enable your equipment to serve in more customer configurations.

- Terry Lyons  terry.g.lyons@att.com  +1 908 957-5644  (fax -5403)


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>     (I can't tell if the plan was to load all this into H.245.  That is
>     now being frozen July 10 as a white paper for decision, which seems
>     too early to accommodate the imperfectly understood needs of H.323.)

The plan is to do this in H.245, but not in the version to be
Decided in 11/95.  Q2/15 plans to Determine an expanded version
of H.245 at the same meeting, for Decision 5/96, which will
incorporate whatever additions are needed for H.323.  H.245
is to be a "living" document, to which new commands are routinely
added as needed.

I would add that IETF (and H.323) should consider use of elements
of H.324 on the Internet as well: H.263, G.723, and certainly H.245.

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On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Terry G Lyons wrote:
...
>     2. It has obscured a more modest request to add a few payload types
>     for H.320 audio encodings:  G.711 A-law, G.722, and G.728.

Terry,

Sorry, I neglected to mention the addition of these encodings as
another change to the profile draft.  Thanks for the reminder.  I
think it is a well-justified request.  Henning may already have added
them to the draft source files.
							-- Steve

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Bruce A. Lehman, United States Assistant Secretary of Commerce and 
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Subject: Re[2]: AVT and ITU-T SG15 coordination

Terry Lyons makes some very good points. In particular, I agree that the 
general approach of entrusting the IETF to address IP standards makes good 
sense. It is clear that is where the expertise lies. 

The ITU should leverage the IETF work and, as Terry suggests, focus on filling 
holes in the standards introduced by the inclusion of the H.323 gateway on the 
network. By following this path, the market will benefit by there being a more 
complete specification, no unnecessary duplication, and less customer confusion.

Finally, Terry's specific suggestions for how the ITU should proceed makes good 
sense and should be followed.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AVT and ITU-T SG15 coordination
Author:  tgl@mtgbcs.mt.att.com (Terry G Lyons)
Date:    6/28/95  10:12 PM

Murray Cantor is right that the IETF and ITU should coordinate their efforts
to have a single set of standards for real-time audio and video in IP networks.

A reasonable way to achieve this is through the IETF process of moving RTP,
RTCP, AV profile, and H.261 payload toward the status of Internet standards.
The ITU can assume a successful outcome and has no need of its own H.22Z.

The ITU's current plan to document and freeze early something like RTP (but
not exactly) will only retard our progress:

    1. It has caused AVT to discuss needlessly some disturbing changes
    (partitioning of payload types) at the last minute.

    2. It has obscured a more modest request to add a few payload types
    for H.320 audio encodings:  G.711 A-law, G.722, and G.728.

    3. If RTP etc. are refined as they progress and so diverge further,
    it will compound the ill effects that Murray identified.

    4. A focus on H.22Z diverts the ITU from other work it must still do
    (which the IETF is not engaged in).

A formal relationship between the ITU and Internet Society is still unresolved.
It's not a good idea to begin with the ITU taking over and disrupting an almost
completed solution that "belongs" to the IETF.

Besides, RTP is only part of what the ITU would need for a workable IP solution.
Concepts of a "gatekeeper" have been rightly criticized as incomplete.  Should
the ITU then swallow a more comprehensive design like RSVP?  This would defeat
the timetable for "decision" in 1996.

I suggest that the complexities of the IP domain may be beyond the competence
of the small band of collaborators in WP1/15.  The ITU should acknowledge the
expertise of IETF and not try to second guess it.  (In part it has, by opting
to follow the H.261 payload encoding.  But -- an example of #3 above -- H.22Z
was based on version N-1 (already out of date) when a new more robust H.261
payload encoding version N+1 was introduced.  The improvements were based on
practical experience at LBL.  ITU's deliberations are less well founded.)

So what should the ITU do?  In my humble opinion

    A. Presume an eventual Internet standard much like RTP etc. today.

    B. Discontinue H.22Z as a normative specification.  There should be
    no competing definition of the multiplex and payloads.

    C. List key characteristics of the IP solution that will affect how
    the ITU specifies gateway interfaces to H.320 on the WAN.  Document
    these in H.323 (the top-level system) or a subordinate document.

    Key characteristics include:  multicast audio and video, distributed
    mixing of audio and video at each receiver, option (encouragement?)
    not to transmit audio silence, means to indicate skew of independent
    audio and video timestamps, ....

    If it is helpful in motivating H.323, the current formats of RTP etc.
    could be summarized in a non-normative appendix.

    D. Start a new specification, e.g. H.24Z, to cover the value added
    uniquely by the ITU.  This involves signaling to interconnect WAN-
    to-LAN or vice versa; associating multiple media into one session;
    harmonizing encodings through capabilities and commands; setting the
    maximum video output rate; control of gateway/MCU features, even if
    it does not scale well; and supplementary services like conference,
    transfer, forward, ....

    (I can't tell if the plan was to load all this into H.245.  That is
    now being frozen July 10 as a white paper for decision, which seems
    too early to accommodate the imperfectly understood needs of H.323.)

The scope proposed for H.24Z is traditional to the ITU.  It may be recognized
that the ITU has a background of some expertise in this area.  I don't think
these are topics where the IETF has proposed solutions yet.

The message to industry would be:  Implement RTP etc. as specified by the IETF
but also H.24Z as specified by the ITU -- the two complement each other and
enable your equipment to serve in more customer configurations.

- Terry Lyons  terry.g.lyons@att.com  +1 908 957-5644  (fax -5403)



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FROM: ED ELLESSON, RALVM6(ELLESSON) / ellesson@vnet.ibm.com                    
      Networking Systems Architecture, C70/B664                                
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Subject: Re: AVT and ITU-T SG15 coordination                                   
                                                                               
Steve, I agree with both Murray Cantor and Terry Lyons that we should          
be working toward a division of non-overlapping effort between the ITU         
and the IETF.  The last thing this industry needs is to have two               
incompatible standards for video conferencing on the LAN.                      
                                                                               
Jeff Lynch, IBM's participant in SG15, and I, IBM's participant in the         
avt working group, will work together to support this division of effort.      
I encourage those other companies who are represented in both working          
group venues to to do the same.                                                
                                                                               
Regards,                                                                       
Ed Ellesson                                                                    
Emerging Technologies, Networking Architecture                                 
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comments below are of a much more general nature than the RTP profile
stuff, but i think its worth talking about.....maybe this is more
confctrl than AVT/rem-conf.... 

 >Terry Lyons makes some very good points. In particular, I agree that the 
 >general approach of entrusting the IETF to address IP standards makes good 
 >sense. It is clear that is where the expertise lies. 

one partitioning of the work is into coding/compression schemes versus
protocols.

most of the internet audio/video tools make use of hardware codecs for
audio/video and leverage off the lowprice  that the telecommunciations
and media vendors get from mass domestic sales of such kit.

on the protocol side, however, there is a very big difference in
conference control in all areas from mixing/multiplexing through to
session infromation, activity, floor control and so forth, due to a
fairly huge philosophical difference:

The mbone applications (and control protocols) are all designed with
"soft state" as their basic paradigm - this leads to a model of how to
build a control protocol that is convergent (but may never actually
converge!) - for instance, membership information in a conference may
never be complete or consistent....

when you contrast this with the designs for conference control that 
you arrive at in H.320 etc, from a base assumption that the network is reliable 
(i.e. signaling tells you something works, or did not, and isnd calls don't 
fail mid-call, usually), then you get stateful (or hard state)
systems, and the overal design of the protocols can assume relaible
ordered group delivery services underlying the conference control
protocols....

I think this then leads to a rather elegant approach for interworking
at the boundaries of an internet/mbone and the circuit/isdn based
system, where we may _have_ to assume that the circuit conference
system treats all the members on the mbone side as a single virtual
member, while the mbone side treats all the isdn side members as
individual sources. If you assume anything else, the constant changes
in the mbone side will lead to a lot of control messages 
(e.g. a constant source of 
GCC-Coriferencc-Join GCC-Conference-Add
GCC-Conference-invite GCC-Conference-Disconnect GCC-Conference-Terminate)
which would be very likely to overload the isdn side with control
traffic...

it's hard to see how to avoid this given the state machine of the
underlying isdn/circuit side system.....

(not being a real h.* person, i have to ask the question: can one
"multiplex" many sinks/sources from a given H.* "terminal"?)


an alternative approach where one did not want to treat the mbone set
of users as a single T.GCC source/sink, might be to define an
implementation of the Multipoint Control Service on one of the
more-or-less scalable Internet/Mbone Reliable Transport Protocols such
as RMP and then actually implement the full circuit model control
protocols in those mbone applications....


this is less scable than mbone approaches to conferencing, but then if
there are ISDN users present in an interactive "tightly bound" conference 
(i.e. not just using the ISDN as a further dissemination channel for say
distance learning or entertainmenet/viewing), they will
limit the scale of the event in any case, so this approach should be
valid too...

so
1/ define a way to admit an mbone conference as a single source, and
map the H.* side into many sources into the mbone

AND

2/ implement the GCC over MCS over RMP over IP for smaller tightly knit
events

both approaches keep the implementation relatively simple, and make
for a clean separation of interests in terms of standards work...


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This will be a replay of the last day (Conclusion & Summary) of the Physics
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Hello,

I would like to announce a broadcast from the IOI'95.

IOI stands for International Olympiad in Informatics, which is organised
every two years, this time in Eindhoven (Netherlands). 

I know I'm late, but we weren't sure if we could get a tunnel to broadcast.

I checked the MBONE-agenda (http://www.cilea.it/MBone/agenda.html), and
booked a few slots there. For your information (All GMT):

1 July 1995 8:00-14:00 and 19:00-20:00(journal)
2 July 1995 8:00-16:00 and 19:00-20:00(journal)

We're planning one video and one audio-channel, nv (version 3.2) and vat
(version 3.4). We're all running it on an Indy and an Indigo. (mrouted 3.3)

The transmission of the video is planned for 128 kbps. If anyone has any
problems with this, please let me know.

Or if you would like to talk to some people from your country that you know,
please let me know and we'll try to organise it!


Erik Bonfrere                                  erikb@stack.urc.tue.nl                   
Member of the board of M.C.G.V. STACK          http://www.stack.urc.tue.nl/
STACK is the largest student association at the Eindhoven University of
Technology. We currently have some 600 members.

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Subject: Imaging On The Internet: Call.....
Cc: mbone@isi.edu

[Apologize if you are seeing multiple copies]

Thought some of you might be interested. Just an FYI.

Regards
----
 Vinay Kumar
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http://www.eit.com/techinfo/mbone/

			    CALL FOR PAPERS
			 (Please redistribute)
			    ---------------

			IMAGING ON THE INTERNET

		Part of the IS&T/SPIE Symposium on Electronic
		     Imaging: Science And Technology

                         San Jose, California
			  Jan 29 - 31, 1996
============================================================================

Conference Chairs:
    Brian C. Smith, Cornell University
    Lawrence A. Rowe, University of California at Berkeley

Program Committee: 
    Shih-Fu Chang		Columbia University
    Wolfgang Effelsberg 	University of Mannheim
    Chad Fogg			Chromatic Research
    Ed Fox			Virginia Tech
    Arding Hsu			Siemans Research
    Howard Katseff		AT&T
    Fred Kitson			HP Labs
    Vinay Kumar			Enterprise Integration Technologies
    Tom Little			Boston University
    Sandy Pentland		MIT
    R. P. C.  Rogers		U.S. National Library of Medicine, NIH
    Raj Yavatkar		University of Kentucky
    Ramin Zabih			Cornell University
    Polle Zellweger		Xerox PARC

The proliferation of applications like the World-Wide Web and the
Internet Multimedia Backbone (the MBone) has resulted in vast amounts
of image and video data traffic on the Internet.  This, in turn, has
given rise to a host of technical, social, and legal problems
relating to creating, publishing, storing, indexing, transmitting, and
viewing image and video material on the network.

This conference serves as a forum where practitioners and researchers
can present and discuss state-of-the-art research, development, and
applications that use image and video on the Internet.  Papers are
solicited in the following areas related to Internet imaging and video,
including, but not limited to:

o Communication and Operating system issues for Internet image and video
o Compression and processing
o Language and Environments for Internet image and video applications
o Security, including encryption, and copy protection
o Applications of images and video on the Internet
o Content issues, such as indexing and retrieval
o World-Wide Web browsing and authoring tools
o User Interfaces for on-line materials
o Billing models for accessing and publishing on-line material
o Legal issues, including copyright and privacy
o Social impact

IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR AUTHORS:
---------------------------------

Please submit an extended abstract for review.  Submissions should be
500 words or less and no more than 4 pages, including figures,
tables, and references.

Your extended abstract should include a cover page with the following
information:

    1. Title of paper
    2. Author names and affiliations, principal author first
    3. Correspondence address (both postal and electronic) for EACH author
    4. Submit to: (Conference Title -- Imaging on the Internet,
		   Conference Chair -- Brian C. Smith)
    5. Keywords
    6. Brief biography: 50 to 100 words (principal author only)

If possible, please print the abstract double sided, to save trees and
mailing costs.  Please send 5 hard copies of your extended abstract to:

        Professor Brian C. Smith
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        Phone: (607) 257-8120
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In addition, send your extended abstract to SPIE in one of the
following ways:

  o Electronic mail: one copy (ASCII format) to abstracts@mom.spie.org
  o Fax: one copy to SPIE at 360-647-1445
  o Surface Mail: 4 hard copies to:
	IS&T/SPIE EI '96
	SPIE, PO Box 10, Bellingham, WA, 98225
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Each extended abstract will be reviewed by at least three members of
the program committee.  Authors of accepted papers will be asked to
submit a camera-ready manuscript (not exceeding 12 pages) that will
appear in the conference proceedings.  The Conference Chairs and
Program Committee will also ask authors of the best papers to enhance
their papers and make journal form submissions to the ACM/Springer
Verlag Multimedia Systems Journal or tutorial style submissions for
IEEE Multimedia Magazine.

IMPORTANT DATES:
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Submission deadline:            July 3, 1995
Notification of acceptance:     September 15, 1995
Camera-ready abstracts due:     November 13, 1995
Camera-ready manuscripts due:   January 2, 1996


