From rem-conf Thu May 01 14:33:51 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Thu May 01 14:33:51 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wN3LL-00031D-00; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:24:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 15:24:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Evi Nemeth Message-Id: <199705012124.PAA03007@rupertsberg.cs.colorado.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: mbone: CS Colloquium, May 8, U.Colorado, Mike Schwartz @Home Cc: evi@rupertsberg.cs.colorado.edu X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list University of Colorado, Computer Science Colloquium May 8, 1997, 3:15 - 4:15 pm Scalable Internet Service: The @Home Network Architecture Michael F. Schwartz, @Home Network @Home Network delivers high-speed information services to homes and businesses using the cable television infrastructure. Service is delivered over the "last mile" using coaxial links and cable modems, plus SONET (fiber optic) regional links. At the wide area @Home is a tier one Internet service provider, peering at the major Internet Network Access Points. For scalability, the network architecture includes widely distributed caching and replication, as well as the ability to support multicast, differentiated levels of service quality, and a 7x24 network operations center with visibility into the entire distributed infrastructure. @Home also acts as a content aggregator, working with content providers to replicate content onto @Home servers. In this talk I will discuss @Home's vision, network architecture, and service design principles. From rem-conf Thu May 01 15:44:11 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Thu May 01 15:44:11 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wN4Y2-0003PU-00; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:41:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 15:41:52 -0700 From: Mahesh Jethanandani Message-Id: <199705012241.PAA06345@ruby.cisco.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Question on vat X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list I am trying to run vat on Solaris x86. The sound card driver (sbpro) complains that vat is trying to open the device for PLAY and RECORD. The man page on sbpro says that the device can support only one stream at any time. I really need vat to play the audio stream and do not need the recording capability. Is there any way to tell vat not to open the card for record mode? Mahesh Jethanandani |\/\/\/| | mahesh@cisco.com | \ /| LIFE'S COMPLEX - IT HAS | Cisco Systems Inc. | (o)(o) REAL & IMAGINARY PARTS | 170 West Tasman Drive C _) | San Jose, CA 95134 | \___| | (408) 527-8230 | / All Std. Disclaimers apply. | (408) 527-8254(fax) From rem-conf Thu May 01 19:48:26 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Thu May 01 19:48:25 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wN8Ih-0004DC-00; Thu, 1 May 1997 19:42:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 19:25:51 -0700 () From: Stephen Casner To: Jonathan Rosenberg cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Reconsideration and the plateau effect In-Reply-To: <970425102238.ZM10854@arrakis> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: casner@little-bear.precept.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Jonathan, Sorry for the delayed response. > The plateau effect is purely an artifact of the step join abstraction. > As the join process becomes more sloped, or even jagged, both the height > of the initial spike and the duration of this plateau (they are linearly > related) disappear. I agree that the perfect step-join abstraction is unrealistic. I wish I could predict the future well enough to know how close the realistic scenarios may be. > (See our Columbia University Technical > Report, "Scaling Feedback to Very Large Groups"; an I-D is coming soon > with the same content). I look forward to seeing that report or I-D. Your presentation in Memphis was very well done, but this is complicated enough that one needs to be able to read and think. > There is also the practical issue of time; given the speed with which we > want to move to draft standard, the time required to develop, simulate, > implement, and test new algorithms doesn't fit into the schedule. While I agree that we'd like to move quickly, one possible reading of this paragraph is that "we don't have time to get it right". I don't think you meant that, and I'm not saying what you've proposed is wrong, but I do think we need to make sure that the algorithm we put in the spec is as much right as we know how to do. > So, given that we feel the plateau effect is not likely to show up in > real systems, and that other algorithms which do not exhibit it are more > complex and potentially antisocial, and our time constraints, we feel > that unconditional reconsideration remains the best solution. I wonder what antisocial means here. I think there are still some details of the algorithm that may need refinement. Using unconditional reconsideration affects the steady-state percentage; should we increase the percentage to compensate? If we did, what effect would that have on the convergence? The algorithm also needs to be specified to the level of detail as the current algorithm, i.e., including a reference implementation in the appendix. -- Steve From rem-conf Thu May 01 20:13:29 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Thu May 01 20:13:29 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wN8ll-0004Wn-00; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:12:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 19:46:14 -0700 () From: Stephen Casner To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Please review draft-ietf-avt-mpeg-new-00.txt In-Reply-To: <9704301019.aa11809@ietf.org> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: casner@little-bear.precept.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list To the AVT working group: At the San Jose and Memphis IETFs, Reha Civanlar gave presentations identifying the need to extend the RTP MPEG payload format to allow the packet loss resilience mechanisms to work for MPEG2 in addition to MPEG1. The proposed changes have now been posted as an Internet-Draft updating the RFC: Title : RTP Payload Format for MPEG1/MPEG2 Video Author(s) : D. Hoffman, G. Fernando, V. Goyal, R. Civanlar Filename : draft-ietf-avt-mpeg-new-00.txt Pages : 15 Date : 04/29/1997 The changed sections are 3.4 (including 3.4.1) and Appendix 1. Please review these changes. If there are no comments in two weeks, then I will request IESG Last Call for re-publication as a new RFC, still at Proposed Standard status. -- Steve From rem-conf Fri May 02 11:23:40 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 02 11:23:40 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wNMsY-0006e4-00; Fri, 2 May 1997 11:16:22 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:16:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199705021816.LAA07254@nobozo.CS.Berkeley.EDU> X-Sender: jerrlyn@nobozo.CS.Berkeley.EDU X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: 298-list@bmrc.Berkeley.EDU, rem-conf@es.net From: Jerrlyn Iwata Subject: Berkeley Multimedia & Graphics Seminar X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Berkeley Multimedia and Graphics Seminar (Wednesday May 7, 1997 12:30-2:00 PDT 405 Soda Hall) "Toward a Common Infrastructure for Digital Media Middleware" Steve McCanne U.C. Berkeley Although real-time multimedia streams like audio and video are now integral data types in modern programming environments, no commonly accepted programming model for "multimedia networking" exists within the research community. We believe this lack of common practice impedes our collective progress because it prevents disparate research groups from easily leveraging each other's work. In this talk, I will propose a solution to this problem that combines the best features of a number of existing toolkits --- Berkeley's Continuous Media Toolkit (CMT), MIT's VuSystem, and the LBL/UCB Bone tools --- into a fine-grained, extensible, and high-performance toolkit. I'll describe the convergence of these three toolkits into a common programming infrastructure, and if time permits, outline a number of ongoing research projects that leverage our new toolkit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This seminar will be broadcast on the Internet MBONE. The broadcast will begin at 12:40 PDT (GMT - 8 hrs). See sdr or http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/298 for instructions on setting up, connecting to, and operating the MBONE tools. Please direct all technical questions to davesimp@cs.berkeley.edu From rem-conf Sat May 03 13:42:22 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Sat May 03 13:42:21 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wNlRG-0002ir-00; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:29:50 -0700 From: Sassan Pejhan Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 16:26:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199705032026.QAA13130@section05> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Audio/Video sequences? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: oTDUA9lB/AC8NpGJfK2U8g== X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Are there any sites where I could download Video *and* corresponding audio sequences (preferrably CIF/QCIF formats for the video)? Thanks in advance, Sassan From rem-conf Sun May 04 13:14:39 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Sun May 04 13:14:37 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wO7Y8-0006Gk-00; Sun, 4 May 1997 13:06:24 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 13:22:42 -0400 (EDT) From: kevin@cc.gatech.edu (Kevin C. Almeroth) Message-Id: <199705041722.NAA11593@flora.cc.gatech.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: N+I Broadcast Schedule... X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list The schedule for the broadcast of events from the 1997 Las Vegas Networld+Interop Show has been mostly finalized. Basically we will be broadcasting a few things on Monday, May 5th and then most of the day on Tuesday, May 6th through Thursday, May 7th. See http://www.cc.gatech.edu/computing/Telecomm/interop/ for the specific schedule and pointers to abstracts and session information. Additional sessions may be added (like the MBone BOF) depending on resource availability. Check the schedule page for the latest changes. Below is the latest and greatest. -Kevin Almeroth 1997 Las Vegas Networld+Interop Broadcast Schedule ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, May 5, 1997 Kim Polese, CEO, Marimba * Time: 16:00 GMT, 09:00 PDT, 12:00 EDT (Duration: 1:00) David House, Chairman, President, and CEO, Bay Networks Inc. * Time: 00:45 GMT, 17:45 PDT, 20:45 EDT (Duration: 1:00) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday, May 6, 1997 Tom Lyons, CTO and Founder, Ipsilon Networks Inc. * Time: 16:00 GMT, 09:00 PDT, 12:00 EDT (Duration: 1:00) Wireless & Wireline -- Broadband Wireless MAN Emerging Technologies * Time: 17:15 GMT, 10:15 PDT, 13:15 EDT (Duration: 1:30) Wireless & Wireline -- My First Cable Modem * Time: 21:00 GMT, 14:00 PDT, 17:00 EDT (Duration: 1:30) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wednesday, May 7, 1997 Engineer Conference -- Traffic Performance and Engineering of IP Networks * Time: 17:00 GMT, 10:00 PDT, 13:00 EDT (Duration: 2:00) Engineer Conference -- Evolution of Broadband Access Technologies and Systems (Part I) * Time: 20:30 GMT, 13:30 PDT, 16:30 EDT (Duration: 2:00) Engineer Conference -- Evolution of Broadband Access Technologies and Systems (Part II) * Time: 23:00 GMT, 16:00 PDT, 19:00 EDT (Duration: 2:00) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, May 8, 1997 Eric Schmidt, Chairman and CEO, Novell Inc. * Time: 16:00 GMT, 09:00 PDT, 12:00 EDT (Duration: 1:00) Engineer Conference -- Advances in Wireless and Satellite Acess Technologies * Time: 17:00 GMT, 10:00 PDT, 13:00 EDT (Duration: 2:00) Engineer Conference -- Advanced IP Networks * Time: 20:30 GMT, 13:30 PDT, 16:30 EDT (Duration: 2:00) Engineer Conference -- Video Over Enterprise Networks * Time: 23:00 GMT, 16:00 PDT, 19:00 EDT (Duration: 2:00) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf Mon May 05 14:54:12 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Mon May 05 14:54:11 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wOVIO-0003oG-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 14:27:44 -0700 From: Deb Agarwal Message-Id: <199705052127.OAA12755@george.lbl.gov> Subject: A new videoconference control tool To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 14:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: mperry@george.lbl.gov (Marcia Perry) Reply-To: DAAgarwal@lbl.gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1170 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Hi everyone, We in the Imaging and Distributed Computing Group of Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, as part of the Spectro-Microscopy Collaboratory project (LabWeb), have developed confcntlr. Confcntlr is a new mbone tool that allows easier access to and remote control of the video and audio portions of a videoconference. It is meant to be run with vic and vat. We've been using confcntlr within the LabWeb project and have found it useful for its graphic user interface and communication system that allows users to easily set parameters for the video and audio, start/stop local and remote video and audio sessions, and change settings while a session is running. Confcntlr eliminates the need to "babysit" the computer at a site that is conducting an experiment and transmitting its video and audio over the network. If you're interested in trying this tool, the beta version (v.3) is available from our web site: http://www-itg.lbl.gov/mbone/confcntlr Thanks, Deb Agarwal (DAAgarwal@lbl.gov) Marcia Perry (mperry@george.lbl.gov) MS50B-2239 phone :(510)486-7078 Lawrence Berkeley National Lab Berkeley, CA 94720 From rem-conf Mon May 05 16:07:39 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Mon May 05 16:07:39 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wOWpb-0004Rz-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:06:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: msri.org: smap set sender to using -f Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 16:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705052303.QAA15814@hille.msri.org> To: rem-conf@es.net From: m1 Reply-to: m1@msri.org Subject: Outside In X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list MBone Broadcast Announcement ---------------------------- Title: Outside In Date: May 06, 1997 Time: 12:00 PST8PDT 1 hours Contact: m1@msri.org URL: http://www.msri.org Description: The award-winning computer animation Outside In explains the amazing discovery, made by Steve Smale in 1957, that a sphere can be turned inside out by means of smooth motions and self intersections, without cutting or tearing. It convincingly demonstrates how valuable visualization can be in the communication of mathematics. info: m1@msri.org mbone broadcast schedule http://www.msri.org/mbone From rem-conf Mon May 05 16:07:41 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Mon May 05 16:07:40 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wOWqg-0004SG-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:07:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: msri.org: smap set sender to using -f Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 16:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705052306.QAA15848@hille.msri.org> To: rem-conf@es.net From: m1 Reply-to: m1@msri.org Subject: Not Knot X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list MBone Broadcast Announcement ---------------------------- Title: Not Knot Date: May 07, 1997 Time: 12:00 PST8PDT 1 hours Contact: m1@msri.org URL: http://www.msri.org Description: Not Knot is a guided tour into computer-animated hyperbolic space. It proceeds from the world of knots to their complementary spaces -- what's not a knot. Profound theorems of recent mathematics show that most known complements carry the structure of hyperbolic geometry, a geometry in which the sum of three angles of a triangle always is less than 180 degrees. info: m1@msri.org mbone broadcast schedule http://www.msri.org/mbone From rem-conf Tue May 06 09:43:02 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Tue May 06 09:43:01 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wOnBx-0000ou-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 09:34:17 -0700 From: Scott_Petrack@vocaltec.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: VOCALTEC To: rem-conf@es.net cc: Gur@vocaltec.com Message-ID: <4225648F.005F146C.00@maskit1.vocaltec.co.il> Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 19:30:48 +0200 Subject: RTP payload format defined for GSM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Scott Petrack 05/06/97 07:30 PM Is there a definition of the RTP payload format for GSM? What is its status right now? Does it have VAD defined? Thanks, Scott Petrack From rem-conf Tue May 06 10:54:42 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Tue May 06 10:54:42 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wOoLz-0001JT-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:48:43 -0700 Sender: hgs@cs.columbia.edu Message-ID: <336F6EAF.7D29@cs.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 13:47:27 -0400 From: Henning Schulzrinne Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott_Petrack@vocaltec.com CC: rem-conf@es.net, Gur@vocaltec.com Subject: Re: RTP payload format defined for GSM References: <4225648F.005F146C.00@maskit1.vocaltec.co.il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Scott_Petrack@vocaltec.com wrote: > > Scott Petrack > 05/06/97 07:30 PM > > Is there a definition of the RTP payload format for GSM? What is its status > right now? Been in RFC 1890, is in the current draft (with some clarifications, but no changes), no technical changes suggested so far. > Does it have VAD defined? Not as far as I know, although I seem to recall that the "real" GSM for mobile phones does use VAD. > > Thanks, > > Scott Petrack -- Henning Schulzrinne email: schulzrinne@cs.columbia.edu Dept. of Computer Science phone: +1 212 939-7042 Columbia University fax: +1 212 666-0140 New York, NY 10027 URL: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~hgs From rem-conf Tue May 06 13:02:52 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Tue May 06 13:02:51 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wOqN7-00023n-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:58:01 -0700 To: Henning Schulzrinne cc: Scott_Petrack@vocaltec.com, rem-conf@es.net, Gur@vocaltec.com Subject: Re: RTP payload format defined for GSM In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 May 1997 13:47:27 EDT." <336F6EAF.7D29@cs.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 20:55:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4847.862948512@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Orion Hodson X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list In message <336F6EAF.7D29@cs.columbia.edu>, Henning Schulzrinne writes: > Scott_Petrack@vocaltec.com wrote: > > > > Scott Petrack > > 05/06/97 07:30 PM > > > > Is there a definition of the RTP payload format for GSM? What is its status > > right now? > > Been in RFC 1890, is in the current draft (with some clarifications, but > no changes), no technical changes suggested so far. > > > Does it have VAD defined? > GSM VAD is specified in GSM 06.32 (available from ETSI). It is an energy thresholding algorithm with some (expensive) filtering to avoid noise being classified as speech. Unless you're audio tool is designed for mobile environments it is overkill. Energy thresholding with some simple rules based on Brady's papers will do very nicely. I'm not sure it makes sense to specify it in the AVT profile as it applies to the receiver only. Orion --- Orion Hodson Computer Science, University College London, Gower Street, London, WC1E 6BT, UK. From rem-conf Wed May 07 01:37:41 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Wed May 07 01:37:40 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wP1x0-0004Tw-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 01:19:50 -0700 From: Scott_Petrack@vocaltec.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: VOCALTEC To: O.Hodson@cs.ucl.ac.uk cc: schulzrinne@cs.columbia.edu, rem-conf@es.net, Gur_Kimchi@vocaltec.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:16:02 +0200 Subject: Re: RTP payload format defined for GSM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Scott Petrack 05/07/97 11:16 AM The VAD of GSM applies to the sender, I believe. You describe it yourself. For each GSM frame produced at the sender, the sender can decide: a .to send the frame, b. to send a "silence desciption frame" (SID) instead, which contains parameters used to update the noise generation in the receiver c. not to send anything at all Of course you're right that you can tell if it's an SID frame by looking at the bits (the excitation is 0 and you put in some random noise). But one could imagine tagging the SIDs. Also, do the MBONE tools ever send several GSM frames in a single RTP packet? (In which case I suppose that one assumes that the frames are consecutive in time, and the timestamp refers to the start of the group of frames) If MBONE tools send each GSM frame in a separate packet, then it must be hard to fit a GSM stream even on 28.8 dialup link if there is no silence (as usually happens in Israeli conversations ;-)). Thanks, Scott -------- On 05/06/97 08:55 PM CET O.Hodson @ cs.ucl.ac.uk wrote: In message <336F6EAF.7D29@cs.columbia.edu>, Henning Schulzrinne writes: > Scott_Petrack@vocaltec.com wrote: > > > > Scott Petrack > > 05/06/97 07:30 PM > > > > Is there a definition of the RTP payload format for GSM? What is its status > > right now? > > Been in RFC 1890, is in the current draft (with some clarifications, but > no changes), no technical changes suggested so far. > > > Does it have VAD defined? > GSM VAD is specified in GSM 06.32 (available from ETSI). It is an energy thresholding algorithm with some (expensive) filtering to avoid noise being classified as speech. Unless you're audio tool is designed for mobile environments it is overkill. Energy thresholding with some simple rules based on Brady's papers will do very nicely. I'm not sure it makes sense to specify it in the AVT profile as it applies to the receiver only. Orion --- Orion Hodson Computer Science, University College London, Gower Street, London, WC1E 6BT, UK. From rem-conf Wed May 07 03:49:28 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Wed May 07 03:49:28 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wP489-0005MT-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 03:39:29 -0700 To: Scott_Petrack@vocaltec.com cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: RTP payload format defined for GSM In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 May 1997 11:16:02 +0200." Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 11:39:00 +0100 Message-ID: <2260.863001540@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Orion Hodson X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list > The VAD of GSM applies to the sender, I believe. You describe it yourself. yes it does :-) typo. > For each GSM frame produced at the sender, the sender can decide: > > a .to send the frame, > b. to send a "silence desciption frame" (SID) instead, which contains > parameters used to update the noise generation in the receiver > c. not to send anything at all The decision to send an SID does come from the VAD spec, but the SID is specified elsewhere (GSM 06.12 I think). Neither VAD or SID is currently in the GSM code used in the Mbone tools. There's still some work to be done in noise modelling in multiway conferences. > Of course you're right that you can tell if it's an SID frame by looking at > the bits (the excitation is 0 and you put in some random noise). But one > could imagine tagging the SIDs. Yes. > Also, do the MBONE tools ever send several GSM frames in a single RTP > packet? (In which case I suppose that one assumes that the frames are > consecutive in time, and the timestamp refers to the start of the group of > frames) > Yes. You just set the packet size to 40/80/160 ms to do this. If you wanted to get around this you could pack them as redundant encodings. > If MBONE tools send each GSM frame in a separate packet, then it must be > hard to fit a GSM stream even on 28.8 dialup link if there is no silence > (as usually happens in Israeli conversations ;-)). ah...time for a 33.6 upgrade :-) regards Orion From rem-conf Wed May 07 04:50:41 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Wed May 07 04:50:40 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wP5A9-0005ml-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 04:45:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199705071145.NAA21146@www45.inria.fr> To: rem-conf@es.net From: Philipp Hoschka Subject: Transmission from Cannes Film Festival Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 13:45:08 +0200 Sender: Philipp.Hoschka@sophia.inria.fr X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list As last year, we'll multicast raw footage (interviews) from the Cannes Film Festival on the MBone. Transmissions are scheduled every day from 5 until 7 Cannes time, 11 am to 1 pm east coast time, and 8 am to 10 am west coast time. However, check sdr first to see whether the time has changed for a particular day. Note that this transmission will use redundant audio coding, so you need either rat or fphone to receive it - vat won't work. For more info, see http://www.inria.fr/rodeo/personnel/hoschka/CannesCast97.html -Philipp Hoschka ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Philipp Hoschka WWW: http://www.w3.org/people/hoschka | World Wide Web Consortium | INRIA hoschka@sophia.inria.fr | 2004, Route des Lucioles, BP 93 Tel:(+33) 4 93 65 79 84 | 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex Fax:(+33) 4 93 65 77 65 | France ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf Wed May 07 04:59:43 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Wed May 07 04:59:42 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wP5N0-00063x-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 04:58:54 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 07:51:09 -0400 From: "H. DO-DUY" <106025.3357@compuserve.com> Subject: Vat under WIN95 To: Vat mailing list Message-ID: <199705070758_MC2-1616-3D95@compuserve.com> X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Hi, I'm a french student in Aeronautics, and i'm working on a system of voice communication via ethernet. I use 2 pentiums with 10/100Mb ethernet cards, and AWE64 Full-Duplex Audio-cards. I'm under WINDOWS 95. I would like, if it is possible, to re-use a part of the Vat sources in order to make my project. The problem is that i don't want to use Tcl/Tk, and then i've got to adapt the tcl/tk interface and code in Windows-based interface. I use Microsoft Visual C++ 4.2 with MFC. The main problem i've got is when i try to reproduce calls from C++ Code to Tcl procedures. Please confirm me that when tou call a Tcl Procedure by Tcl.evalf("....."), the execution is done 'in parallel' so the C code goes on while Tcl code executes. I've got an other problem : In the Vat documentation, it's said that "When there's audio data available to read, the Tk event handler calls the virtual Audio::Dispatch". Please could you explain me where the call is done, and how you test if audio data is available. How could i simulate that in C++ ? I hope you will be able to help me with those problems. Thanks a lot Rodolphe PETIT Toulouse , 7/05/97 e-mail : E-mail : 106025.3357@compuserve.com From rem-conf Wed May 07 08:48:58 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Wed May 07 08:48:57 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wP8t9-0007Iw-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 08:44:19 -0700 From: Scott_Petrack@vocaltec.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: VOCALTEC To: O.Hodson@cs.ucl.ac.uk cc: rem-conf@es.net Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:38:19 +0200 Subject: Re: RTP payload format defined for GSM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Scott Petrack 05/07/97 06:38 PM I forgot the most important thing - could give me a reference to the "Brady papers" you mentioned. If there are URLs that'd be great. Also, some pointers to papers about noise in multiparty conferences would be very interesting to me. ("Noise in multiparty conferences" is of course a very timely topic to discuss these days ;-)) Scott From rem-conf Wed May 07 09:13:13 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Wed May 07 09:13:12 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wP9JW-0007hA-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 09:11:34 -0700 Sender: hgs@cs.columbia.edu Message-ID: <3370A965.4D4B@cs.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 12:10:13 -0400 From: Henning Schulzrinne Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott_Petrack@vocaltec.com CC: O.Hodson@cs.ucl.ac.uk, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: RTP payload format defined for GSM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Scott_Petrack@vocaltec.com wrote: > > Scott Petrack > 05/07/97 06:38 PM > > I forgot the most important thing - could give me a reference to the "Brady > papers" you mentioned. If there are URLs that'd be great. See http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~hgs/netbib to search for Brady. These papers were published in the 1960s; I doubt you'll find these in electronic form. However, every decent library should carry BSTJ. From rem-conf Wed May 07 11:39:49 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Wed May 07 11:39:48 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPBRY-0000aX-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 11:28:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: msri.org: smap set sender to using -f Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705071827.LAA16854@hille.msri.org> To: rem-conf@es.net From: david Reply-to: david@msri.org Subject: Minimal TV X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list MBone Broadcast Announcement ---------------------------- Title: Minimal TV Date: May 08, 1997 Time: 12:00 PST8PDT 1 hours Contact: david@msri.org URL: http://www.msri.org/Computing/SGP/ Description: This videotape of animations of minimal surfaces and other extremal surfaces was made in 1992 for the simultaneous occasions of the second MSRI workshop on Geometric Analysis and Computer Graphics and the 500th anniversary of the voyage of Columbus. Assembled by David Hoffman and David Oliver from the archives of the Geometry Analysis Numerics and Graphics (GANG), it features the work of many mathematicians. Most of the graphics were done by Jim Hoffman. For more details and other animations, see the pages of the (Scientific Graphics Project /a>) at (MSRI). mbone broadcast schedule http://www.msri.org/mbone From rem-conf Wed May 07 18:17:04 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Wed May 07 18:17:03 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPHjQ-0001n9-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 18:10:52 -0700 Sender: hgs@cs.columbia.edu Message-ID: <33712817.506E@cs.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 21:10:47 -0400 From: Henning Schulzrinne Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: voip-tech@vocaltec.com, rem-conf@es.net Subject: DTMF Draft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Based on recent discussions, I put together a first draft for a revised DTMF payload type. This is not yet an 'official' I-D; in particular, the file name of the draft may change. Find it at http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~hgs/rtp/drafts.html Comments are welcome. -- Henning Schulzrinne email: schulzrinne@cs.columbia.edu Dept. of Computer Science phone: +1 212 939-7042 Columbia University fax: +1 212 666-0140 New York, NY 10027 URL: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~hgs From rem-conf Wed May 07 19:48:37 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Wed May 07 19:48:36 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPJAI-0002CY-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 19:42:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 21:46:47 -0500 From: "Milind M. Buddhikot" Message-Id: <199705080246.VAA12308@dworkin.wustl.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: FINAL ANNOUNCEMENT:A few slots still open for registration X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Hi: This is your last chance to register for NOSSDAV97. Note that attendance is limited to only 80 attendees and we have only a few slots open. So act now, if you want to register. Thanks Milind ------------------------x Announcement x------------------------------ The 7th International Workshop on Network and Operating System Support for Digital Audio and Video NOSSDAV'97 St. Louis, Missouri, USA May 19-21, 1997 Registrations for NOSSDAV'97 are now being accepted. The 7th International Workshop on Network and Operating Systems Support for Digital Audio and Video (NOSSDAV 97) is the international workshop concerned with state of the art technology in networking and operating system support for multimedia systems. For seven years, NOSSDAV has proven to be an outstanding forum for researchers involved in building innovative multimedia systems, networks and applications on both the research and industrial front. Other topics that will be examined include "middleware" for multimedia, media toolkits, mobile communications, Virtual Reality (VR), real-time systems, software agents, digital libraries, and other digital media besides audio and video. A key aspect of the workshop is that it provides extensive discussion periods during which attendees can informally discuss their current work and future research directions. Traditionally, NOSSDAV has emphasized on high quality experimental research that prototypes systems to explore innovative solutions to the problems in the diverse areas of multimedia computing. NOSSDAV97 will continue this tradition. A sample of the sessions to be held at the workshop include: Multicast for Multimedia Networking: Packet Scheduling and Integrated Services Multimedia-on-Demand (MOD) Servers and Services Smoothing and Scaling on Endsystems Mobility and Wireless Operating System Optimizations Middleware for Multimedia To maintain the atmosphere of a small intense workshop, attendance is once again being limited to 80. Spots at the workshop are being reserved for one author per paper and Program Committee members until April 10th. All other registration requests will be accepted on a first come first served basis. After April 10th any other requests that previously could not be immediately accepted will be confirmed if space is available. Presenting Authors and PC Members should register as soon as possible!! On line registration and workshop program information can be accessed >from the NOSSDAV97 web page: http://www.arl.wustl.edu/arl/NOSSDAV97/ The workshop will be held at Innsbrook Estates. Located approximately 45 minutes from the St. Louis airport, Innsbrook Estates has everything you would like in a resort: 18-hole golf course, 18-hole miniature course, swimming pool, a 150 acre lake, sailing, fishing, swimming, sand beaches, fitness center, lighted tennis courts, volleyball courts, horse back riding, full conference facilities, etc. Send inquiries to: NOSSDAV97@arl.wustl.edu ATTN: NOSSDAV97 Department of Computer Science/ARL Campus Box 1045 Washington University One Brookings Drive St. Louis MO 63130, USA Tele: 1 314 935 7534 Fax: 1 314 935 7302 NOSSDAV '97 Schedule Sunday, May 18, 1997 16:00-19:00 Conference Registration 19:00-21:30 Informal Dinner ??? Monday, May 19, 1997 7:30-8:30 Breakfast Buffet 8:30-9:00 Introductions and Welcome Christopher I. Byrnes Dean of the School of Engineering and Applied Science Washington University Workshop Chairs Guru Parulkar John DeHart 9:00-10:30 Session I "Multimedia-on-Demand (MOD) Servers and Services" Session Chair: Derek McAuley, Univ of Glasgow, UK * Design and Implementation of Video Server for Mixed-rate Streams J. Nishikawa, I. Okabayashi, Y. Mori, S. Sasaki, M. Migita, Y. Obayashi, S. Furuya and K. Kaneko. Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. * Random RAIDs with Selective Exploitation of Redundancy for High Performance Video Servers Y. Birk. Technion - Israel Inst. of Technology. * Efficient Striping Techniques for Multimedia File Servers P. Shenoy, and H. Vin. University of Texas. 10:30-11:00 Break 11:00-12:30 Session II "Middleware for Multimedia Applications" Session Chair: Steve McCanne * Toward a Common Infrastructure for Multimedia-Networking Middleware S. McCanne et al, University of California,Berkeley * An Extensible Framework for RTP-based Multimedia Applications John Du, Dave Putzolu, Intel Corporation * Network Filters for Active Movie Mike Clark, Thomas Pfenning, Microsoft 12:30-13:30 Lunch 13:30-15:00 Session III "Networking" Session Chair: KK Ramakrishnan, AT&T Research * A Comprehensive Multimedia Control Architecture for the Internet H. Schulzrinne. Columbia University. * Environments for Active Networks R. Sharma, S. Keshav, M. Wu and L. Wu. Cornell Univeristy. * WANDS: Wide-Area Network Delay Simulator M. Borella & A. Sears. DePaul University. SHORT PAPER: * A Virtual Network Service for Integrated-Services Internetworks L. Delgrossi and Domenico Ferrari. Unversita Cattolica. 15:00-15:30 Break 15:30-17:00 Session IV "Operating System Optimizations" Session Chair: Hide Tokuda, Keio Univ, Japan * Evaluation of Data Passing and Scheduling Avoidance J. Brustoloni and P. Steenkiste. Carnegie Mellon University. * User-Safe Devices for True End-to-End QoS I. Pratt. University of Cambridge. * A Fresh Approach to File System Quality of Service P. Barham. University of Cambridge. 17:00-18:00 Break 18:00-20:00 Banquet 20:00-21:00 PC/Planning Meeting Tuesday, May 20, 1997 7:30-8:30 Breakfast Buffet 8:30-10:00 Session V "Mobility and Wireless" Session Chair: Doug Shepherd, University of Lancaster, UK * Mobile Filters: Delivering Scaled Media to Mobile Devices A. Balachandran and A. Campbell * System Support for Mobile Multimedia Applications Inouye, Cen, Walpole * On Quality of Service in Mobile Wireless Networks M. Srivastava, P. Mishra 10:00-10:30 Break 10:30-12:00 Session VI "Multicast" Session Chair: Dan Swinehart, Xerox PARC * Layered Video Multicast with Retransmission (LVRM): Evaluation of Error Recovery Schemes X. Li and M. Ammar. Georgia Institute of Technology. S. Paul and P. Pancha. Bell Laboratories. * Thin Streams: An Architecture for Multicasting Layered Video L. Wu, R. Sharma and B. Smith. Cornell University. * Resilient Multicast Support for Continuous Media Applications R. Xu, A. Myers, H. Zhang, R. Yavatkar. Carnegie Mellon University and Intel. 12:00-13:00 Lunch 13:00-15:00 Session VII "Short Papers and A Long Panel Session: Traffic Management" Session Chair: Domenico Ferrari, Universita` Cattolica, Italy * Service Aggregation Through Rate Adaptation Using a Single Storage Format Krishnan and Little * Practical Experience with a Smoothing Algorithm for Video Streaming F. Miller, X. Mei, T. Lam, K. Zhang, and S. Tripathi. University of Maryland. * Randomized Token Buckets: Reducing the Buffers Required in Multiplexors J. A. Fingerhut and G. Varghese. Washington University. 15:00-16:30 Break 16:30-23:59 Excursion (To Cardinals Baseball Game) Wednesday, May 21, 1997 8:00-9:00 Breakfast Buffet 9:00-10:30 Session VIII "Smoothing, Scaling, etc on Endsystems" Session Chair: Bernhard Plattner, ETH, Zurich * The Performance of Two Dimensional Media Scaling for Internet Videoconferencing: Experiments with ProShare(TM) on the Internet P. Nee, K. Jeffay and G. Danneels. University of North Carolina. * Online Smoothing of Live, Variable-Bit-Rate Video J. Rexford. AT&T Research Laboratories. S. Sen, K. Dey, J. Kurose, J. Stankovic, D. Towsley. University of Massachusetts. W. Feng. Ohio State University. * Adaptive Middleware for Mobile Multimedia Applications G. Blair, G. Coulson, N. Davies, P. Robin and T. Fitzpatrick.Lancaster University. 10:30-11:00 Break 11:00-12:30 Session IX "Networking: Packet Scheduling, Integrated Service" Session Chair: Hui Zhang, CMU * Fair Airport Scheduling Algorithms P. Goyal and H. Vin. University of Texas. * Hierarchical Relative Error Scheduler: An Efficient Traffic Shaper for Packet Switching Networks A. Charny. Digital Electric Company. * Understanding TCP Dynamics in an Integrated Services Internet W. Feng, D. Kandlur, D. Saha and K. Shin. IBM. 12:30-13:30 Lunch Workshop ends ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- nossdav97@arl.wustl.edu From rem-conf Wed May 07 20:42:07 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Wed May 07 20:42:06 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPK2A-0002b8-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 20:38:22 -0700 Message-ID: <33714B37.5528@mitre.org> Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 23:40:39 -0400 From: David Green Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Video capture card for NT 4.0 and Vic 2.8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Does anyone have direct experience (positive or negative) getting VIC 2.8 to work on NT 4.0 with the following capture cards? - Diamond Stealth64 Video 2001 TV? - Trident Providia 9682? - Matrox Mystique plus Rainbow Runner Studio? - Any other video capture card? Again, the NT 4 support is important here. If you respond directly to me, I'll summarize what I hear. Thanks. David Green The MITRE Corporation dwg@mitre.org From rem-conf Wed May 07 21:17:45 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Wed May 07 21:17:44 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPKaw-0002vl-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 21:14:18 -0700 Message-ID: <3371514E.1B35@ctr.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 00:06:38 -0400 From: "Andrew T. Campbell" Organization: Center for Telecommunications Research, Columbia University X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net CC: campbell@ctr.columbia.edu Subject: Hot QOS Workshop: Advance Program Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by sirius.ctr.columbia.edu id AAA04007 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list - A D V A N C E P R O G R A M IFIP 5th International Workshop on Quality of Service IWQOS'97 - Building QOS into Distributed Systems - Columbia University, New York May 21-23, 1997 http://comet.ctr.columbia.edu/iwqos97/ The objective of the IFIP 5th International Workshop on Quality of Service (IWQOS) is to bring together researchers and practitioners working in all facets of QOS research. While many workshops and conferences offer technical sessions on the topic of QOS, none other than IWQOS provides a single track workshop dedicated to QOS research. We think we have a great technical program lined up for you this year. The program reflects our desire to hear about new ideas, experimental results, controversial QOS subjects and perspectives on where we are and where we are=20 going. IWQOS=9297 is designed to be an interactive workshop and not a =91sit and listen=92 conference. To reflect that goal, technical sessions include long and short papers followed by a thirty minute panel discussion of topics raised during the session. THE PROGRAM AT A GLANCE: -------------------------------------------------- Wednesday May 21, 1997 -------------------------------------------------- 1 Keynote address "Programming Telecommunications Networks" Aurel A. Lazar =20 2 Mobile Communications Session Chair: Mahmound Nagshineh 3 Traffic Management Session Chair: Ed Knightly 4 QOS Routing Session Chair: Mischa Schwartz 5 QoS and Video Systems Session Chair: Alexandros Eleftheriadis 6 Reception and Demos -------------------------------------------------- Thursday May 22, 1997 -------------------------------------------------- 7 QoS Management Session Chair: Andreas Vogel 8 Panel I: "QOS for Distributed Object Computing Middleware - Fact or Fiction?" Chair and Organizer: Douglas C. Schmidt 9 Workshop Invited Paper "Quality of Service: Where are we ?" R. Steinmetz and L. C. Wolf 10 Distributed Object Computing Session Chair: Douglas Schmidt 11 Advanced Reservation Session Chair: Hideyuki Tokuda 12 Workshop banquet and boat cruise around the Big Apple -------------------------------------------------- Friday May 23, 1997 -------------------------------------------------- 13 QOS-based Transport Protocols Session Chair: Steve Pink =20 14 Panel II: Reservations about Reservations Chair and Organizer: Henning G. Schulzrinne 15 QoS Mapping Session Chair: Jean-Peirre Huaux 16 QoS Adaptation Session Chair: Klara Nahrstedt -------------------------------------------------- REGISTRATION INFORMATION For on line registration, workshop information and technical program details click on: =20 http://comet.ctr.columbia.edu/iwqos97/ DETAILED PROGRAM: ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Wednesday Day 1 : 21 May 1997 ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 8:50-9:00 am Workshop Welcome Andrew T. Campbell, Columbia University Klara Nahrstedt, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 9:00-10:00 am Keynote Address "Programming Telecommunications Networks", Aurel A. Lazar, Columbia University, USA 10:30-12:30pm Technical Session 1 - Mobile=20 Communications Session Chair: Mahmound Nagshineh, IBM,=20 USA Long Paper Presentations Adaptive Service in Mobile Computing Environments S. Lu, K.-W. Lee and V. Bharghavan University of Illinois at Urbana- Champaign, USA Quality of Service Support in a=20 Mobile Environment: An Approach Based on=20 Tuple Spaces G. Blair, N.Davies, A. Friday and=20 S.Wade (Lancaster University, UK) Short Paper Presentations IPv6 + Mobile-IP + MRSVP =3D Internet=20 Cellular Phone ? B. R. Badrinath and A. K. Talukdar=20 (Rutgers University, USA) QoS Challenges for Next Generation=20 Mobile Middleware A. T. Campbell (Columbia University,=20 USA) Link Error Impact on MPEG Video over=20 Wireless Broadband Networks J. G.- Castellanos (Columbia=20 University, USA) and M. Naghshineh (IBM, USA) QoS Support for Mobile Computing S. Pope and P. Webster (Olivetti &=20 Oracle Research Lab, UK) Session Panel Discussion 12:30-1:30pm L u n c h 1:30-3:00pm Technical Session 2 - Traffic Management Session Chair: Ed Knightly, Rice=20 University, USA Long Paper Presentations Worst Case Arrivals of Leaky Bucket Constrained Sources: The Myth of the On-Off source P. Oechslin (University College of London, UK) Guaranteeing Multiple Cell Loss=20 Classes in Shared ATM Output Buffer H. Lee (Korea Telecom, Korea) Comprehensive Queueing Analysis for a=20 Partial Buffer System with Discrete Markovian=20 Arrival Processes D. Becker (Aachen University of=20 Technology, Germany) Short Paper Presentation Real-Time Estimation of the Link=20 Capacity in Multimedia Networks P. Maryni (University of Genoa,=20 Italy) and G. Pacifici (IBM,USA) Session Panel Discussion 3:15-4:15pm Technical Session 3 - QOS Routing Session Chair: Mischa Schwartz, Columbia University,USA Long Paper Presentation Quality of Service Routing for=20 Traffic with Performance Guarantees Q. Ma and P. Steenkiste (Carnegie=20 Mellon University, USA) Short Paper Presentation QoS Based Multicast Routing for=20 Multimedia Communications S. Verma, R. K. Pankaj and A.=20 Leon-Garcia (University of Toronto, Canada) Session Panel Discussion 4:30-6:00pm Technical Session 4 - QoS and Video=20 Systems Session Chair: Alexandros Eleftheriadis,=20 Columbia University, USA Long Paper Presentations Supporting Multiple-tier QoS in a=20 Video Bridging Application R. Koodli, and C. M. Krishna=20 (University of Massachusetts, USA) Playout Management of Interactive=20 Video - an Adaptive Approach S. K. Jha, P. A. Wright and M. Fry University of Technology, Sydney,=20 Australia Short Paper Presentations A Temporal QoS based CPU Scheduling=20 Model for Multimedia Applications in General=20 Purpose Operating Systems D. B. Waldegg (Telecom Bretagne,=20 France) Adaptive Video Applications for=20 Non-QoS Networks, S. Jacobs and A.=20 Eleftheriadis Columbia University, USA Session Panel Discussion 6:00-8:00 Reception and Demos -------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday Day 2: 22 May 1997 -------------------------------------------------------------- 8:30-10:15am Technical Session 5 - QoS Management Session Chair: Andreas Vogel, Visgenic Corp.,=20 USA Long Paper Presentations Integrated CPU and Network I/O QoS=20 Management in an Endsystem K. Lakshman, R. Yavatkar and R. Finkel=20 (Intel, USA) Service-Tailored QoS Management in High=20 Performance Networks R. Bless, M. Jacob and C. Schmidt=20 (University of Karlsruhe, Germany) Short Paper Presentations Application Design for Cooperative QoS=20 Management S. Fischer, M.-V. O. M. Salem and G. v.=20 Bochmann (University of Montreal, Canada) On the Specification of End-to-End QoS=20 Control J. B. de Meer (GMD FOKUS, Germany) Using attribute-managed storage to achieve=20 QoS E. Borowsky, R. Golding, A. Merchant, L. Schreier, E. Shriver, M. Spasojevic and J. Wilkes (Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, USA) Session Panel Discussion 10:30-12:00m Panel I - QOS for Distributed Object Computing Middleware - Fact or Fiction ? Chair: Douglas C. Schmidt, Washington=20 University, USA Panelists: Max Ott, NEC, USA Guru Parulkar, Washington U., USA Rolf Stadler, Columbia U., USA Andreas Vogel, Visigenic, USA 12:00-1:00pm L u n c h 1:00-2:00pm Invited Speaker Quality of Service: Where are we ? R. Steinmetz and L. C. Wolf (Darmstadt University, Germany) 2:15-4:00pm Technical Session 6 - Distributed Object=20 Computing Session Chair: Douglas Schmidt, Washington=20 University at St. Louis, USA Long Paper Presentations Integrating QoS Restrictions into the=20 Process of Service Selection C. Linnhoff-Popien and D. Thissen (Aachen University of Technology, Germany) Quality of Service (QoS) in Communication=20 APIs W. Almesberger (EPFL DI-LRC, Switzerland),=20 S. Sasyan (Hewlett Packard, France) and S.=20 Wright ( Fujitsu Network Communications, France) Short Paper Presentations Managing Systemic Meta-Data for Creating QoS-Adaptive CORBA Applications J. A. Zinky and D. E. Bakken (BBN Systems=20 and Technologies, USA) Support Components for Quality of Service=20 in Distributed Environments: Monitoring=20 Service D. A. Reed and K. J. Turner (University of Sterling, UK) A QoS Configuration System for Distributed Applications A. Smith and A. Grace (Distributed Systems Group, BT Laboratories, UK) Session Panel Discussion 4:15-5:15pm Technical Session 7 - Advanced Reservation Session Chair: Hideyuki Tokuda, Keio University,=20 Japan Long Paper Presentations Sharing Resources through Advance=20 Reservation Agents O. Schelen & S. Pink (Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Sweden) Providing a Scalable Video-on-Demand System=20 using Future Reservation of Resources and=20 Multicast Communications A. Hafid (Computer Research Institute of=20 Montreal, Canada) Session Panel Discussion 7.30-10.30 Workshop Banquet and Cruise around the Big Apple =20 ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Friday Day 3: 23 May 1997 ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 9:00-10:30am Technical Session 8 - QOS-based Transport=20 Protocols Session Chair: Steven Pink, Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Sweden Long Paper Presentations QoS Mapping between User's Preference and Bandwidth Control for Video Transport K. Fukuda, N. Wakamiya, M. Murata and H.=20 Miyahara (Osaka University, Japan) On End-to-End QoS Mapping J.-F. Huard and A. A. Lazar (Columbia=20 University, USA) Short Paper Presentations Transport QoS over Unreliable Networks: No Guarantees, No Free Lunch! P. Conrad, P. Amer, E. Golden, S. Iren, R.=20 Marasli and A. Caro (University of Delaware, USA) QoS-Based Transport G. Mapp and S. Hodges (Olivetti & Oracle=20 Research Lab, UK) Session Panel Discussion 10:45-12:00pm Panel II - Reservations about Reservations Chair: Henning G. Schulzrinne, Columbia=20 University, USA Panelists: Fred Baker, CISCO, USA Jon Crowcroft, UCL, UK Roch Guerin, IBM, USA Lixa Zhang, UCLA, USA 12:00-1:00pm L u n c h 1:00-2:30pm Technical Session 9 - QoS Mapping Session Chair: Jean-Peirre Huaux, EPFL,=20 Switzerland Long Paper Presentations Simplified Method for Session Coordination=20 Using Multi-level QOS Specification and=20 Translation N. Nishio and H. Tokuda (Keio University,=20 Japan) Quantitative QoS-Mapping: A Unifying=20 Approach H. Knoche and H. de Meer (University of=20 Hamburg, Germany) Short Paper Presentations QoS Translation and Admission Control for MPEG Video K. Kim and K. Nahrstedt (University of=20 Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, USA) Towards Specifying QoS-Enabling Software Architectures V. Issarny, C. Bidan, F. Leleu and T.=20 Saridakis (IRISA/INRIA, France) Session Panel Discussion 2:45-4:15pm Technical Session 10 - QoS Adaptation Session Chair: Klara Nahrstedt, University of=20 Illionis AT Urbana-Champaign, USA Long Paper Presentations Terminal QoS of Adaptive Applications and=20 its Analytical Computation P. Moghe and A. Kalavade (Bell-Labs, USA) End-to-End Quality of Service Control=20 Using Adaptive Applications D. Sisalem (GMD FOKUS, Germany) Short Paper Presentations Adaptive QoS and in Multimedia Systems M. Ott, G. Michelitsch, D. Reininger and=20 G. Welling (NEC, USA) A Dynamic QoS Adaptation for Networked=20 Virtual Reality S. Oh, H. Sugano, S. Shimojo, H. Miyahara=20 (Osaka University, Japan), K. Fujikawa (Nara=20 Institute of Science and Technology, Japan), T.=20 Matsuura (Osaka City University, Japan),=20 M.Arikawa(Hiroshima City University, Japan) Predictable File Access Latency for=20 Multimedia D. Revel, C. Cowan, D. McNamee, C. Pu and J. Walpole (Oregan State Institute, USA) Session Panel Discussion -- Andrew T. Campbell =20 http://comet.ctr.columbia.edu/~campbell Wireless Media Systems Project=20 http://comet.ctr.columbia.edu/wireless From rem-conf Thu May 08 14:41:12 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Thu May 08 14:41:11 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPahB-0006Le-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 14:25:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199705082123.OAA02417@tikal.synopsys.com> To: baylisa@baylisa.org, rem-conf@es.net, sage-members@usenix.org Cc: bigmac@baylisa.org Subject: BayLISA May 15: "Global NT Infrastructure in the Real World" Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 14:23:12 -0700 From: Bryan McDonald X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list The BayLISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to systems and network administrators. The meetings are free and open to the public. Please feel free to redistribute this meeting announcement. BayLISA holds monthly meetings on the third Thursday of each month at 7:30 PM PST. We meet at Cisco Building J in San Jose, on Tasman Drive near First street. See www.baylisa.org for more information. The meetings are also broadcast via MBONE. Schedule -------- May 15, 1997: "Global NT Infrastructure in the Real World" Xev Gittler & Christopher Rouland, Lehman Brothers [Schedule subject to change] For further information on BayLISA, check out our web site: http://www.baylisa.org/ To get further information on the meeting location, you can also ftp it from ftp.baylisa.org:/BayLISA/location For any other information, please send email to: info@baylisa.org If you have any questions, please contact me or the info alias listed above. =============================================================================== Bryan McDonald bigmac@baylisa.org President president@baylisa.org BayLISA http://www.baylisa.org =============================================================================== From rem-conf Thu May 08 14:41:16 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Thu May 08 14:41:15 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPalm-0006N8-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 14:30:34 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC5BBC.89FD2820@mikent.nuera.com> From: "Michael W. Fox" To: 'Henning Schulzrinne' Cc: "rem-conf@es.net" , "voip-tech@vocaltec.com" Subject: RE: DTMF Draft Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 14:31:35 -0700 Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Another comment regarding DTMF ... I think that some redundancy of the coding of the last digit is required. Perhaps sending a digits total duration information in at least three packets should be required. Mike Fox Nuera Communications From rem-conf Fri May 09 03:19:23 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 03:19:22 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPmfe-0000ls-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 03:13:02 -0700 Posted-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 23:00:23 +0200 From: Benking Heiner To: 2IN97 <2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr>, congres Subject: Re: 21N97 Date: Thu, 08 May 97 13:50:00 PDT Message-ID: <3372B117@pc.faw.uni-ulm.de> Encoding: 179 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list ---------- > Von: 2IN97 > An: congres > Betreff: 21N97 > Datum: Mittwoch, 5. M{rz 1997 12:48 > > I have just received part of a message about a call for papers but the > important part is missing. Would you send the message again, please? > > Regards, > > Niall O'Loughlin > > empty rooms in mental flats - looking for locomotion? in the last line you find some sources and orientation for this message maybe a starter for some exchange on the CLUB OF BUDAPEST discussion group list !?? Heiner BENKING re: SHARING MENTAL HOMES - a QUEST for more MENTAL MOBILITY here an up-date and maybe a starter in form of a message just needed to send somewhere Heiner Benking _-_ Dear list members, I try to bridge two lists, as the topics are too close and it gets boring always getting a grip or grasp and then letting go.. Heiner > ---------- > Von: owner-debono > An: DEBONO > Betreff: Creativity and Rods & Cones > Datum: Mittwoch, 7. Mai 1997 11:48 > > In a message dated 97-05-06 11:01:15 EDT, you write: > > << ... Have you ever noticed how night vision works. Part of your mind picks > up clear images on the periphery of your line of sight, but when you shift > your focus to where the image was, it loses its definition. I think > creativity works a little like this: it occurs on the edge of our line of > sight. If we're not too focussed on what we're looking at, we notice the > creative image and try to bring it into focus, but if we persist in peering > straight ahead, we fail to notice that we even "saw" something "off to the > side"... I apologize if this musing is self-indulgent and thank you for the > provocation. >> > > Metaphors are the furnishings of our mental home. Thank you for making a > very insightful addition to my decor, although I can really only see this > item peripherally, I guess. > > Adam Hansen > The Generativity Group ---------- > Von: list > An: unis > Cc: ThomasM451 > Betreff: Re: simple language & Korea > Datum: Mittwoch, 7. Mai 1997 23:30 > > In a message dated 97-05-07 16:17:07 EDT, you write: > > << > In a message dated 97-05-07 02:07:35 EDT, Tom wrote: > > << I admitted up front that I knew nothing about Korea, except that they > are about to go to war again. What I am asking is not for "ideal" > situations, but fundamental situations. (this is the second time simple language has > been mistaken for idealistic language, interesting) The foundation for my > "fantasy" is simply the principle of a loving relationship - mutual synergy. > > > Hello: > If the language of form requires us to frame a discussion through a > particular lense, then we would need to agree to the form/lense up-front. We > would also be able to predict all the unconscious variables that would > surely 'come up' into our field of awareness, as a result of framing such a > discussion..........and without saying much more its clear to me why many > theorists state there is no such thing as com-unication, let alone 'simple > language'! > > My admittedlly incomplete appreciation of Stytematics has me feeling like we > are in all the forms at once. ..... _____________________________________________ BEGIN OF MESSAGE: Hi, Well I think our mental homes are 'not in order'. We try with precision, forcing focus on the specifics, but camouflage the whole' as Steve Kurtz once wrote, but not daring to look for the context, the relations and connections. As Kant was looking with his carcateristica universalis, i call it an 'organizing glass' into the inner structure (remember Alice in WONDERLAND) we can at least build a conceptual house of knowledge, beyond languages, if we restrict ourselves !! to the general overview, the birds eye. The result is that we can suddenly see and get awe as we grasp how little we know !! See wholeness and worldview discussion and the recent work on: Inviting and Sharing VIEWS, thoughts, adn Voices (available on request). I think this focussing on words, as some lists do, can work in coherent groups, but the moment you jump over the fence, you are lost, as the NOMINALISTS, go for 'exact words' their code, in a hierarchical order, knowledge trees. My position is absolutely to the contrary, I am a CONCEPTUALIST, looking for 'concepts in their context' and try to move, merge and transform along and across scales. We have, if we ever want to bridge 'schools' and mental territories have to see the deeper connections. The mind's eye pondering above shows the way! I would like to show that Einstein was pondering also about words: The word or the language, written or spoken, do not seem to have any impact (role) in the mechanism of my line of thought. The mental building blocks of thinking are certain signs/symbols and more or less clear pictures, which can be reproduced and combined at will (according desire/wish?) Albert Einstein maybe someone can help with the best words !?? as I only have a German version: Das Wort oder die Sprache, geschrieben oder gesprochen, scheinen im Mechanismus meines Gedankenablaufes }berhaupt keine Rolle zu spielen. Die psychischen Grundelemente des Denkens sind bestimmte Zeichen und mehr oder weniger klare Bilder, die nach Wunsch reproduziert und kombiniert werden k|nnen. Albert Einstein I would like to sum up by saying that I profit most by learning the style and the class of the different lists, my English is not good enough to discuss with any one of you 'seriously' (I appreciate the braod wandwith personal aprach anyway!) but I can tell you that we are all very close, but are typically not aware of it, all living in our private MENTAL HOMES, in cocoons, and ponder about details... As I like to share and feel that I live in some mental homes in parallel (my cognitive panorama) you are most welcome to visit and move in... warmely Heiner http://www.uia.org/uiadocs/spatialm.htm http://www.newciv.org/ISSS_Primer/seminrva.html http://heri.cicv.fr/council/speeches/benkingtxt.html http://aztlan.mty.itesm.mx/budapest/view/vl002p03.htm From rem-conf Fri May 09 03:46:18 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 03:46:18 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPnAb-00016M-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 03:45:01 -0700 Message-Id: <01BC5C6D.59268AA0@indus.dlib.com> From: Joerg Mueller To: 'Benking Heiner' , 2IN97 <2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr>, congres Subject: RE: 21N97 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 11:37:16 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Hi, whoever is responsible for this list, PLEASE remove me from it. I am not interested at all in receiving that crap. Thanks -- joerg ---------- > Von: 2IN97 > An: congres > Betreff: 21N97 > Datum: Mittwoch, 5. M{rz 1997 12:48 > > I have just received part of a message about a call for papers but the > important part is missing. Would you send the message again, please? > > Regards, > > Niall O'Loughlin > > empty rooms in mental flats - looking for locomotion? in the last line you find some sources and orientation for this message maybe a starter for some exchange on the CLUB OF BUDAPEST discussion group list !?? Heiner BENKING re: SHARING MENTAL HOMES - a QUEST for more MENTAL MOBILITY here an up-date and maybe a starter in form of a message just needed to send somewhere Heiner Benking _-_ Dear list members, I try to bridge two lists, as the topics are too close and it gets boring always getting a grip or grasp and then letting go.. Heiner > ---------- > Von: owner-debono > An: DEBONO > Betreff: Creativity and Rods & Cones > Datum: Mittwoch, 7. Mai 1997 11:48 > > In a message dated 97-05-06 11:01:15 EDT, you write: > > << ... Have you ever noticed how night vision works. Part of your mind picks > up clear images on the periphery of your line of sight, but when you shift > your focus to where the image was, it loses its definition. I think > creativity works a little like this: it occurs on the edge of our line of > sight. If we're not too focussed on what we're looking at, we notice the > creative image and try to bring it into focus, but if we persist in peering > straight ahead, we fail to notice that we even "saw" something "off to the > side"... I apologize if this musing is self-indulgent and thank you for the > provocation. >> > > Metaphors are the furnishings of our mental home. Thank you for making a > very insightful addition to my decor, although I can really only see this > item peripherally, I guess. > > Adam Hansen > The Generativity Group ---------- > Von: list > An: unis > Cc: ThomasM451 > Betreff: Re: simple language & Korea > Datum: Mittwoch, 7. Mai 1997 23:30 > > In a message dated 97-05-07 16:17:07 EDT, you write: > > << > In a message dated 97-05-07 02:07:35 EDT, Tom wrote: > > << I admitted up front that I knew nothing about Korea, except that they > are about to go to war again. What I am asking is not for "ideal" > situations, but fundamental situations. (this is the second time simple language has > been mistaken for idealistic language, interesting) The foundation for my > "fantasy" is simply the principle of a loving relationship - mutual synergy. > > > Hello: > If the language of form requires us to frame a discussion through a > particular lense, then we would need to agree to the form/lense up-front. We > would also be able to predict all the unconscious variables that would > surely 'come up' into our field of awareness, as a result of framing such a > discussion..........and without saying much more its clear to me why many > theorists state there is no such thing as com-unication, let alone 'simple > language'! > > My admittedlly incomplete appreciation of Stytematics has me feeling like we > are in all the forms at once. ..... _____________________________________________ BEGIN OF MESSAGE: Hi, Well I think our mental homes are 'not in order'. We try with precision, forcing focus on the specifics, but camouflage the whole' as Steve Kurtz once wrote, but not daring to look for the context, the relations and connections. As Kant was looking with his carcateristica universalis, i call it an 'organizing glass' into the inner structure (remember Alice in WONDERLAND) we can at least build a conceptual house of knowledge, beyond languages, if we restrict ourselves !! to the general overview, the birds eye. The result is that we can suddenly see and get awe as we grasp how little we know !! See wholeness and worldview discussion and the recent work on: Inviting and Sharing VIEWS, thoughts, adn Voices (available on request). I think this focussing on words, as some lists do, can work in coherent groups, but the moment you jump over the fence, you are lost, as the NOMINALISTS, go for 'exact words' their code, in a hierarchical order, knowledge trees. My position is absolutely to the contrary, I am a CONCEPTUALIST, looking for 'concepts in their context' and try to move, merge and transform along and across scales. We have, if we ever want to bridge 'schools' and mental territories have to see the deeper connections. The mind's eye pondering above shows the way! I would like to show that Einstein was pondering also about words: The word or the language, written or spoken, do not seem to have any impact (role) in the mechanism of my line of thought. The mental building blocks of thinking are certain signs/symbols and more or less clear pictures, which can be reproduced and combined at will (according desire/wish?) Albert Einstein maybe someone can help with the best words !?? as I only have a German version: Das Wort oder die Sprache, geschrieben oder gesprochen, scheinen im Mechanismus meines Gedankenablaufes }berhaupt keine Rolle zu spielen. Die psychischen Grundelemente des Denkens sind bestimmte Zeichen und mehr oder weniger klare Bilder, die nach Wunsch reproduziert und kombiniert werden k|nnen. Albert Einstein I would like to sum up by saying that I profit most by learning the style and the class of the different lists, my English is not good enough to discuss with any one of you 'seriously' (I appreciate the braod wandwith personal aprach anyway!) but I can tell you that we are all very close, but are typically not aware of it, all living in our private MENTAL HOMES, in cocoons, and ponder about details... As I like to share and feel that I live in some mental homes in parallel (my cognitive panorama) you are most welcome to visit and move in... warmely Heiner http://www.uia.org/uiadocs/spatialm.htm http://www.newciv.org/ISSS_Primer/seminrva.html http://heri.cicv.fr/council/speeches/benkingtxt.html http://aztlan.mty.itesm.mx/budapest/view/vl002p03.htm From rem-conf Fri May 09 04:31:31 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 04:31:30 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPnlk-0001Sx-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 04:23:24 -0700 Sender: Yoan.Adida@masi.ibp.fr Message-ID: <3373067F.3E400605@masi.ibp.fr> Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 13:11:59 +0200 From: Yoan ADIDA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3C (X11; I; Linux 2.1.23 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr, congres@prism.uvsq.fr, BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de Subject: REMOVE X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Hi, could you please remove me from the mailing-list. I never asked to get into it. -- Adida Yoan "Honni soit qui manigance , bien mal acquis ne profite qu'apres" -- Coluche From rem-conf Fri May 09 04:35:30 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 04:35:29 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPnvs-0001hY-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 04:33:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199705091120.NAA16335@mohican.cc.uit.no> X-Authentication-Warning: mohican.cc.uit.no: svenn owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Joerg Mueller cc: 'Benking Heiner' , 2IN97 <2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr>, congres , svenn@cc.uit.no Subject: Re: 21N97 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 May 1997 11:37:16 METDST." <01BC5C6D.59268AA0@indus.dlib.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 13:19:40 +0200 From: Svenn Hanssen X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list I concur!!! -Svenn > Hi, > > whoever is responsible for this list, PLEASE remove me from it. I am not interested at all in receiving that crap. > > Thanks > > -- joerg > > ---------- > > Von: 2IN97 > > An: congres > > Betreff: 21N97 > > Datum: Mittwoch, 5. M{rz 1997 12:48 > > > > I have just received part of a message about a call for papers but the > > important part is missing. Would you send the message again, please? > > > > Regards, > > > > Niall O'Loughlin > > > > > empty rooms in mental flats - looking for locomotion? > in the last line you find some sources and orientation for this message > > maybe a starter for some exchange on the CLUB OF BUDAPEST discussion group > list !?? > > Heiner BENKING > > > re: SHARING MENTAL HOMES - a QUEST for more MENTAL MOBILITY > > > here an up-date and maybe a starter in form of a message just needed to send > somewhere > > Heiner Benking > > _-_ > > Dear list members, > I try to bridge two lists, as the topics are too close > and it gets boring always getting a grip or grasp and then letting go.. > Heiner > > > ---------- > > Von: owner-debono > > An: DEBONO > > Betreff: Creativity and Rods & Cones > > Datum: Mittwoch, 7. Mai 1997 11:48 > > > > In a message dated 97-05-06 11:01:15 EDT, you write: > > > > << ... Have you ever noticed how night vision works. Part of your mind > picks > > up clear images on the periphery of your line of sight, but when you shift > > your focus to where the image was, it loses its definition. I think > > creativity works a little like this: it occurs on the edge of our line of > > sight. If we're not too focussed on what we're looking at, we notice the > > creative image and try to bring it into focus, but if we persist in > peering > > straight ahead, we fail to notice that we even "saw" something "off to the > > side"... I apologize if this musing is self-indulgent and thank you for > the > > provocation. >> > > > > Metaphors are the furnishings of our mental home. Thank you for making a > > very insightful addition to my decor, although I can really only see this > > item peripherally, I guess. > > > > Adam Hansen > > The Generativity Group > > ---------- > > Von: list > > An: unis > > Cc: ThomasM451 > > Betreff: Re: simple language & Korea > > Datum: Mittwoch, 7. Mai 1997 23:30 > > > > In a message dated 97-05-07 16:17:07 EDT, you write: > > > > << > > In a message dated 97-05-07 02:07:35 EDT, Tom wrote: > > > > << I admitted up front that I knew nothing about Korea, except that they > > are about to go to war again. What I am asking is not for "ideal" > > situations, but fundamental situations. (this is the second time simple > language has > > been mistaken for idealistic language, interesting) The foundation for > my > > "fantasy" is simply the principle of a loving relationship - mutual > synergy. > > > > > > Hello: > > If the language of form requires us to frame a discussion through a > > particular lense, then we would need to agree to the form/lense up-front. > We > > would also be able to predict all the unconscious variables that would > > surely 'come up' into our field of awareness, as a result of framing such > a > > discussion..........and without saying much more its clear to me why many > > theorists state there is no such thing as com-unication, let alone > 'simple > > language'! > > > > My admittedlly incomplete appreciation of Stytematics has me feeling like > we > > are in all the forms at once. ..... > > _____________________________________________ > BEGIN OF MESSAGE: > > Hi, > > Well I think our mental homes are 'not in order'. We try with precision, > forcing focus on the specifics, but camouflage the whole' as Steve Kurtz > once wrote, but not daring to look for the context, the relations and > connections. As Kant was looking with his carcateristica universalis, i call > it an 'organizing glass' into the inner structure (remember Alice in > WONDERLAND) we can at least build a conceptual house of knowledge, beyond > languages, if we restrict ourselves !! to the general overview, the birds > eye. > The result is that we can suddenly see and get awe as we grasp how little we > know !! See wholeness and worldview discussion and the recent work on: > Inviting and Sharing VIEWS, thoughts, adn Voices (available on request). > > I think this focussing on words, as some lists do, can work in coherent > groups, but the moment you jump over the fence, you are lost, as the > NOMINALISTS, go for 'exact words' their code, in a hierarchical order, > knowledge trees. My position is absolutely to the contrary, I am a > CONCEPTUALIST, looking for 'concepts in their context' and try to move, > merge and transform along and across scales. > > We have, if we ever want to bridge 'schools' and mental territories have to > see the deeper connections. The mind's eye pondering above shows the way! > > I would like to show that Einstein was pondering also about words: > > The word or the language, written or spoken, > do not seem to have any impact (role) > in the mechanism of my line of thought. > The mental building blocks of thinking > are certain signs/symbols and more or less clear pictures, > which can be reproduced and combined at will (according desire/wish?) > > Albert Einstein > > maybe someone can help with the best words !?? as I only have a German > version: > > Das Wort oder die Sprache, geschrieben oder gesprochen, > scheinen im Mechanismus meines Gedankenablaufes > }berhaupt keine Rolle zu spielen. > Die psychischen Grundelemente des Denkens > sind bestimmte Zeichen und mehr oder weniger klare Bilder, > die nach Wunsch reproduziert und kombiniert werden k|nnen. > > Albert Einstein > > > I would like to sum up by saying that I profit most by learning the style > and the class of the different lists, my English is not good enough to > discuss with any one of you 'seriously' (I appreciate the braod wandwith > personal aprach anyway!) > > but I can tell you that we are all very close, but are typically not aware > of it, all living in our private MENTAL HOMES, in cocoons, and ponder about > details... > > As I like to share and feel that I live in some mental homes in parallel (my > cognitive panorama) you are most welcome to visit and move in... > > warmely > > Heiner > http://www.uia.org/uiadocs/spatialm.htm > http://www.newciv.org/ISSS_Primer/seminrva.html > http://heri.cicv.fr/council/speeches/benkingtxt.html > http://aztlan.mty.itesm.mx/budapest/view/vl002p03.htm > > > > From rem-conf Fri May 09 04:54:23 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 04:54:22 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPoDD-00025C-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 04:51:47 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 07:52:18 -0400 Message-Id: <9705091152.AA06002@notesgw1.cc.bellcore.com> To: "Michael W. Fox" Cc: 'Henning Schulzrinne' , "rem-conf@es.net" , "voip-tech@vocaltec.com" From: "Michael A. Ramalho" Subject: RE: DTMF Draft Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Yet another small comment regarding DTMF ... I agree with Mike Fox's comment below (although more than 3 would probably be sent anyway due to the DTMF duration). Also, looking at the duration field and its maximum representation of 2.55 seconds, it appears just slightly too short a duration. For example, many calling card scenarios allow one to hit the # button for two seconds to make another call without hanging up. I hold it for longer than 2 seconds because experience tells me that longer is better (sometimes the system is slow to act and misses my que if I only hold it for 2 seconds). Given the accuracy of human time guesstimation, I'd suggest another bit (or other format to accommodate up to about 4 seconds). Michael Ramalho VoIP QoS subcommittee facilitator Belllcore To: schulzrinne @ cs.columbia.edu ("'Henning Schulzrinne'") @ smtp cc: rem-conf @ es.net ("rem-conf@es.net") @ smtp, voip-tech @ vocaltec.com ("voip-tech@vocaltec.com") @ smtp From: mfox @ nuera.com ("Michael W. Fox") @ smtp Date: 05/08/97 02:31:35 PM Subject: RE: DTMF Draft Another comment regarding DTMF ... I think that some redundancy of the coding of the last digit is required. Perhaps sending a digits total duration information in at least three packets should be required. Mike Fox Nuera Communications From rem-conf Fri May 09 05:20:58 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 05:20:57 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPoeU-0002Ur-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 05:19:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 13:42:34 +0100 (WET DST) From: Romain Bigeard X-Sender: bigeard@comte Cc: 2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr, congres@prism.uvsq.fr, BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de Subject: Re: REMOVE In-Reply-To: <3373067F.3E400605@masi.ibp.fr> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Please Remove me from this mailing list. Il have better things to do than to read that crap ! *************************************************** Romain Bigeard Laboratoire d'Informatique de Besancon 16 Route de Gray 25030 Besancon Cedex FRANCE Tel : +(33) 3 81 66 64 60 Fax : +(33) 3 81 66 64 50 *************************************************** From rem-conf Fri May 09 05:22:06 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 05:22:06 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPogS-0002eV-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 05:22:00 -0700 From: silberz@ladl.jussieu.fr Message-Id: <199705091310.AA24339@ ladl.jussieu.fr> Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:09:47 +0100 Apparently-To: BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de Apparently-To: congres@prism.uvsq.fr Apparently-To: 2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr Bcc: To: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Subject: Unidentified subject! X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list >From silberz Fri May 9 14:09:45 1997 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2.RR) From: Max Silberztein Date: Fri, 9 May 97 14:09:45 +0100 To: 2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr, congres@prism.uvsq.fr, BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de Subject: REMOVE References: <199705091148.NAA02310@teco11a.teco.uni-karlsruhe.de> Please remove me from the mailing-list NOW. I never asked to get into it. From rem-conf Fri May 09 05:28:43 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 05:28:43 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPomY-00034f-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 05:28:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 08:28:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199705091228.IAA04162@orca.umcs.maine.edu> From: Roy Turner To: silberz@ladl.jussieu.fr Cc: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Subject: Unidentified subject! In-Reply-To: <199705091310.AA24339@ ladl.jussieu.fr> References: <199705091310.AA24339@ ladl.jussieu.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: rmt@umcs.maine.edu (Roy M. Turner) Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list For those of you wanting off the list (which does seem to have lots of noise on it recently), here are the instructions you should have gotten when you subscribed: You have been added to the rem-conf@es.net mailing list. Here is some information about the list: 1) The rem-conf mailing list is used for IETF Remote Conferencing. 2) To UNSUBSCRIBE from the rem-conf mailing list, send email to rem-conf-request@es.net. 3) To SUBSCRIBE to the rem-conf mailing list, send email to rem-conf-request@es.net. 4) Please do not send subscribe or unsubscribe requests directly to the list address, rem-conf@es.net. This address is used only for discussions related to the purpose of the mailing list (see #1). ------- Roy M. Turner, Assistant Professor () E-mail: rmt@umcs.maine.edu Department of Computer Science () WWW: http://cdps.umcs.maine.edu/~rmt 5752 Neville Hall () Phone: (207)581-3909 University of Maine () FAX: (207)581-4977 Orono, ME 04469-5752 () I use Lisp because I know C, C++, Ada,... From rem-conf Fri May 09 05:34:27 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 05:34:26 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPoqO-0003L0-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 05:32:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 May 97 19:49:01 SIN Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: 2IN97 <2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr>, congres From: seow yoke kong Subject: Unsubscribe X-Incognito-SN: 435 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.01a ENCRYPTED=NO X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Unsubscribe y.seow@ieee.org ------------- Original Text >From Joerg Mueller , on 5/9/97 11:37 AM: To: "'Benking Heiner'" , "2IN97" <2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr>, "congres" Hi, whoever is responsible for this list, PLEASE remove me from it. I am not interested at all in receiving that crap. Thanks -- joerg ---------- > Von: 2IN97 > An: congres > Betreff: 21N97 > Datum: Mittwoch, 5. M{rz 1997 12:48 > > I have just received part of a message about a call for papers but the > important part is missing. Would you send the message again, please? > > Regards, > > Niall O'Loughlin > > empty rooms in mental flats - looking for locomotion? in the last line you find some sources and orientation for this message maybe a starter for some exchange on the CLUB OF BUDAPEST discussion group list !?? Heiner BENKING re: SHARING MENTAL HOMES - a QUEST for more MENTAL MOBILITY here an up-date and maybe a starter in form of a message just needed to send somewhere Heiner Benking _-_ Dear list members, I try to bridge two lists, as the topics are too close and it gets boring always getting a grip or grasp and then letting go.. Heiner > ---------- > Von: owner-debono > An: DEBONO > Betreff: Creativity and Rods & Cones > Datum: Mittwoch, 7. Mai 1997 11:48 > > In a message dated 97-05-06 11:01:15 EDT, you write: > > << ... Have you ever noticed how night vision works. Part of your mind picks > up clear images on the periphery of your line of sight, but when you shift > your focus to where the image was, it loses its definition. I think > creativity works a little like this: it occurs on the edge of our line of > sight. If we're not too focussed on what we're looking at, we notice the > creative image and try to bring it into focus, but if we persist in peering > straight ahead, we fail to notice that we even "saw" something "off to the > side"... I apologize if this musing is self-indulgent and thank you for the > provocation. >> > > Metaphors are the furnishings of our mental home. Thank you for making a > very insightful addition to my decor, although I can really only see this > item peripherally, I guess. > > Adam Hansen > The Generativity Group ---------- > Von: list > An: unis > Cc: ThomasM451 > Betreff: Re: simple language & Korea > Datum: Mittwoch, 7. Mai 1997 23:30 > > In a message dated 97-05-07 16:17:07 EDT, you write: > > << > In a message dated 97-05-07 02:07:35 EDT, Tom wrote: > > << I admitted up front that I knew nothing about Korea, except that they > are about to go to war again. What I am asking is not for "ideal" > situations, but fundamental situations. (this is the second time simple language has > been mistaken for idealistic language, interesting) The foundation for my > "fantasy" is simply the principle of a loving relationship - mutual synergy. > > > Hello: > If the language of form requires us to frame a discussion through a > particular lense, then we would need to agree to the form/lense up-front. We > would also be able to predict all the unconscious variables that would > surely 'come up' into our field of awareness, as a result of framing such a > discussion..........and without saying much more its clear to me why many > theorists state there is no such thing as com-unication, let alone 'simple > language'! > > My admittedlly incomplete appreciation of Stytematics has me feeling like we > are in all the forms at once. ..... _____________________________________________ BEGIN OF MESSAGE: Hi, Well I think our mental homes are 'not in order'. We try with precision, forcing focus on the specifics, but camouflage the whole' as Steve Kurtz once wrote, but not daring to look for the context, the relations and connections. As Kant was looking with his carcateristica universalis, i call it an 'organizing glass' into the inner structure (remember Alice in WONDERLAND) we can at least build a conceptual house of knowledge, beyond languages, if we restrict ourselves !! to the general overview, the birds eye. The result is that we can suddenly see and get awe as we grasp how little we know !! See wholeness and worldview discussion and the recent work on: Inviting and Sharing VIEWS, thoughts, adn Voices (available on request). I think this focussing on words, as some lists do, can work in coherent groups, but the moment you jump over the fence, you are lost, as the NOMINALISTS, go for 'exact words' their code, in a hierarchical order, knowledge trees. My position is absolutely to the contrary, I am a CONCEPTUALIST, looking for 'concepts in their context' and try to move, merge and transform along and across scales. We have, if we ever want to bridge 'schools' and mental territories have to see the deeper connections. The mind's eye pondering above shows the way! I would like to show that Einstein was pondering also about words: The word or the language, written or spoken, do not seem to have any impact (role) in the mechanism of my line of thought. The mental building blocks of thinking are certain signs/symbols and more or less clear pictures, which can be reproduced and combined at will (according desire/wish?) Albert Einstein maybe someone can help with the best words !?? as I only have a German version: Das Wort oder die Sprache, geschrieben oder gesprochen, scheinen im Mechanismus meines Gedankenablaufes }berhaupt keine Rolle zu spielen. Die psychischen Grundelemente des Denkens sind bestimmte Zeichen und mehr oder weniger klare Bilder, die nach Wunsch reproduziert und kombiniert werden k|nnen. Albert Einstein I would like to sum up by saying that I profit most by learning the style and the class of the different lists, my English is not good enough to discuss with any one of you 'seriously' (I appreciate the braod wandwith personal aprach anyway!) but I can tell you that we are all very close, but are typically not aware of it, all living in our private MENTAL HOMES, in cocoons, and ponder about details... As I like to share and feel that I live in some mental homes in parallel (my cognitive panorama) you are most welcome to visit and move in... warmely Heiner http://www.uia.org/uiadocs/spatialm.htm http://www.newciv.org/ISSS_Primer/seminrva.html http://heri.cicv.fr/council/speeches/benkingtxt.html http://aztlan.mty.itesm.mx/budapest/view/vl002p03.htm + From rem-conf Fri May 09 05:38:51 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 05:38:51 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPowW-0003dX-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 05:38:36 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 08:37:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: rmt@maine.edu cc: sliberz@ladl.jussieu.fr, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Unidentified subject! - wrong mailing list?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Excuse me rmt, but what do lists: 2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr, congres@prism.uvsq.fr have to do with rem-conf@es.net? I remmember quite well subscribing to this to rem-conf. I NEVER subscribed to these other two lists and have no idea what they are, nor how to unsubscribe, nor should I have to worry about how one unsubscribes. /bad ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:09:47 +0100 From: silberz@ladl.jussieu.fr To: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Subject: Unidentified subject! >From silberz Fri May 9 14:09:45 1997 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2.RR) From: Max Silberztein Date: Fri, 9 May 97 14:09:45 +0100 To: 2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr, congres@prism.uvsq.fr, BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de Subject: REMOVE References: <199705091148.NAA02310@teco11a.teco.uni-karlsruhe.de> Please remove me from the mailing-list NOW. I never asked to get into it. From rem-conf Fri May 09 07:03:21 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 07:03:21 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPqBZ-0004VC-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 06:58:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199705091230.OAA05441@donald.fokus.gmd.de > To: Svenn Hanssen cc: Joerg Mueller , 'Benking Heiner' , 2IN97 <2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr>, congres , svenn@cc.uit.no Subject: Re: 21N97 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 May 1997 13:19:40 +0200." <199705091120.NAA16335@mohican.cc.uit.no> Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 14:30:14 +0200 From: Dorgham Sisalem X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list would the responsible for this list arrange for a seperate way to delete the peopole from this list. I do not really want to receive all the delete me messages and surely not the "I concur" ones in reply. I do not know who is responsible for this mess but who ever it is please fix it quickly. I already received more than 15 mails today from this list on which I DID NOT ASK TO GET ON. So remove me as well Dorgham From rem-conf Fri May 09 07:11:32 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 07:11:31 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPqNW-0004tu-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 07:10:34 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:58:11 +0100 From: annemari@mcg.gla.ac.uk (Anne Marie Fleming) Message-Id: <199705091358.OAA12614@kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk> To: rem-conf@es.net, mbone@ISI.EDU Subject: JENC8 -multicast X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Title: JENC8 - 8th Joint European Networking Conference Dates: Monday 12th May until Thursday 15th May For multicast schedule see http://www.mcg.gla.ac.uk/jenc/ Contact: annemari@mcg.gla.ac.uk Conference URL: http://www.terena.nl/conf/JENC8.html Description: JENC8 (Edinburgh, Scotland) "DIVERSITY AND INTEGRATION: THE NEW EUROPEAN NETWORKING LANDSCAPE" 1997 will mark an important development for the European networking community, namely the final deregulation steps of much of the European telecommunication infrastructure. In parallel, Europe is witnessing an explosion of demand for network services and innovative distributed applications. A large number of corresponding projects and pre-competitive development effortsare currently underway, in order to strengthen the European position in a global, competitive and deregulated environment. In this context, and building on the established tradition of previous JENCs, JENC8 will be focused on the effects of these changes and developments for researchers, NETWORK AND SERVICE PROVIDERS and commercial users, considering technical, economical and political issues, as well as user support, training and educational matters. JENC8 will be THE EUROPEAN FORUM to get up-to-date information, to debate and assess the new deregulated telecommunication environment in Europe, new leading- edge applications, and the network/internetwork support infrastructure which is currently being developed. From rem-conf Fri May 09 07:24:41 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 07:24:40 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPqZF-0005FJ-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 07:22:41 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:28:59 +0200 To: 2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr, congres@prism.uvsq.fr, BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de From: bjorn@it.kth.se ( =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn?= Pehrson) Subject: remove please! X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Could you please remove me from these mailing-lists. From rem-conf Fri May 09 07:32:31 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 07:32:30 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPqiM-0005Xa-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 07:32:06 -0700 From: Nizar.Abdallah@masi.ibp.fr (Nizar ABDALLAH) Message-Id: <199705091336.PAA04362@cao-vlsi.ibp.fr> Subject: REMOVE To: 2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr, congres@prism.uvsq.fr, BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:36:23 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Please Remove me from the mailing list -- From rem-conf Fri May 09 08:49:43 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 08:49:42 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPrnu-0006BR-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 08:41:54 -0700 To: Dorgham Sisalem , rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net, postmaster@prism.uvsq.fr cc: 2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr, rem-conf@es.net Reply-To: hks@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: 21N97 In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 09 May 1997 14:30:14 +0200. <199705091230.OAA05441@donald.fokus.gmd.de> Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 18:41:09 +0300 From: Harri Salminen Message-Id: <19970509154114Z562-508+179@nic.funet.fi> X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list DON'T PANIC as they say in the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy... Sending remove me etc. messages to the mailing lists sometimes might just cause a self feeding chaos... To me it seems like somehow two mailing lists have got connected togerher since there's no mention of the rem-conf list in the To: or cc: field of the messages and they still come to the list rem-conf. The mailing list software seems to remove Reveived: headers so it's hard to say what really happens. It could just be some kind of error in configuring some list (2IN97 sounds like a mailing list for some conference to me) or perhaps even a personal mail filter which isn't helped by these chaotic remove me messages to the list which should go to the -request address anyway. As a public warning I'd like to point out that recently there has been increased activity by some malicious people who use some kind of program to subscribe their victims to many open mailing lists at once with forged addresses. I don't think this is the case with rem-conf yet though. The only remedy in addition of manually maintaining lists is to enable a confirmation request feature in LISTSERV or majordomo to prevent the subscription from succeeding. In any case, when you seem to have been added to some mailing list without your will, PLEASE figure out the address of the list and then send the offending piece of mail with Received: headers intact to the listname-request (or owner-listname or postmaster) address and NOT to the list. E.g. in this message the -request address can be seen in the Return-Path: field. Harri Salminen FUNET listserv & MICE-NSC & NIC.FUNET.FI coordinator Ps. I wonder when we are going to get clashes of two MBONE conferences accidentally getting same multicast groups and then people shouting each other out from the group ;-) > Return-Path: rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net > Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@mail1.es.net (port 26828 [198.128.3.181]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <344-29928>; Fri, 9 May 1997 17:05:14 +0300 > Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) > id 0wPqBZ-0004VC-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 06:58:13 -0700 > Message-Id: <199705091230.OAA05441@donald.fokus.gmd.de> > To: Svenn Hanssen > cc: Joerg Mueller , 'Benking Heiner' , 2IN97 <2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr>, congres , svenn@cc.uit.no > Subject: Re: 21N97 > In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 May 1997 13:19:40 +0200." <199705091120.NAA16335@mohican.cc.uit.no> > Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 14:30:14 +0200 > From: Dorgham Sisalem > X-Mailing-List: > X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net > Precedence: list > Return-Path: > > would the responsible for this list arrange for a seperate way to delete > the peopole from this list. I do not really want to receive all the delete me > messages and surely not the "I concur" ones in reply. I do not know who is responsible for this mess but who ever it is please fix it quickly. I already received more than 15 mails today from this list on which I DID NOT ASK TO GET ON. So > > remove me as well > > Dorgham From rem-conf Fri May 09 09:58:11 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 09:58:10 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPsw1-0006kG-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 09:54:21 -0700 Message-Id: <9705091620.AA27880@w20-575-37.MIT.EDU> To: 2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr, congres@prism.uvsq.fr, BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de Subject: REMOVE Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 12:20:49 EDT From: Shiva Sean Sandy X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list please remove me form this list thank you From rem-conf Fri May 09 10:35:50 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 10:35:50 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPtYh-00078u-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:34:19 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 19:04:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Christer Palm Reply-To: Christer Palm To: 2IN97 <2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr>, congres Subject: REMOVE ME NOW Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Please remove me from the mailing-list. NOW! I never asked to get into it. -- Christer Palm E-mail: palm@admin.kth.se Network Manager Technical Services Telephone: +46-8-7907234 Royal Institute of Technology Mobilephone: 070-5121738 S-100 44 Stockholm (Sweden) Fax: +46-8-102510 From rem-conf Fri May 09 10:40:32 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 10:40:31 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPteT-0007OB-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:40:17 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Schaffer, Gregory J." To: 'Svenn Hanssen' , 'Dorgham Sisalem' Cc: 'Joerg Mueller' , 'Benking Heiner' , '2IN97' <2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr>, 'congres' , "'svenn@cc.uit.no'" Subject: RE: 21N97 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:40:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list I second the notion...what is this list about anyway? >---------- >From: Dorgham Sisalem[SMTP:sisalem@fokus.gmd.de] >Sent: Friday, May 09, 1997 8:30 AM >To: Svenn Hanssen >Cc: Joerg Mueller; 'Benking Heiner'; 2IN97; congres; svenn@cc.uit.no >Subject: Re: 21N97 > >would the responsible for this list arrange for a seperate way to delete >the peopole from this list. I do not really want to receive all the delete me >messages and surely not the "I concur" ones in reply. I do not know who is >responsible for this mess but who ever it is please fix it quickly. I already >received more than 15 mails today from this list on which I DID NOT ASK TO >GET ON. So > >remove me as well > > Dorgham > From rem-conf Fri May 09 10:49:33 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 10:49:33 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPtk5-0007d9-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:46:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1B2056104081CF11914400805F68CC1704123C25@RED-05-MSG.dns.microsoft.com> From: Karoly Somogyvari To: "'2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr'" <2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr>, "'congres@prism.uvsq.fr'" , "'BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de'" Subject: RE: REMOVE Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:04:26 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.30) X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list My impression is that someone has played a little game with these mailing lists last night. (I never wanted to be on these lists either.) I think the owners of the lists should remove everybody from the list who has been added during the last day. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Dunlap [SMTP:KevinD@metainfo.com] > Sent: Friday, May 09, 1997 8:19 AM > To: '2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr'; 'congres@prism.uvsq.fr'; > 'BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de' > Subject: RE: REMOVE > > Remove the IETF mailing list from these other mailing lists. > > -Kevin > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Hans-Werner Gellersen [SMTP:hwg@teco.uni-karlsruhe.de] > >Sent: Friday, May 09, 1997 4:48 AM > >To: 2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr; congres@prism.uvsq.fr; > BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de > >Subject: Re: REMOVE > > > >Please remove me from the mailing-list NOW. > >I never asked to get into it. From rem-conf Fri May 09 10:52:14 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 10:52:14 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPtne-0007g3-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:49:46 -0700 From: adam@research.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199705091628.SAA08081@shiva.jussieu.fr> Date: Fri, 9 May 97 12:07 EDT To: 2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr, BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de, congres@prism.uvsq.fr Subject: Unidentified subject! X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Subject: REMOVE REMOVE ASAP! From rem-conf Fri May 09 10:56:41 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 10:56:41 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPtss-0000LE-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:55:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 12:25:34 -0500 (EST) From: PRCHOP@qucdnee.ee.queensu.ca Subject: REMOVE To: congres@prism.uvsq.fr Message-id: <01IINZ3U9NMW9FM72C@qucdnee.ee.QueensU.CA> Old-X-Envelope-to: congres@prism.uvsq.FR X-VMS-To: IN%"congres@prism.uvsq.FR" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Please remove me from your mailing list. From rem-conf Fri May 09 11:03:58 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 11:03:58 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPtzC-0000bU-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:01:42 -0700 Sender: explorer@kechara.flame.org To: Joerg Mueller Cc: 'Benking Heiner' , 2IN97 <2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr>, congres , postmaster@prism.uvsq.fr Subject: Re: 21N97 References: <01BC5C6D.59268AA0@indus.dlib.com> From: Michael Graff Date: 09 May 1997 12:26:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: Joerg Mueller's message of Fri, 9 May 1997 11:37:16 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.34 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Joerg Mueller writes: > whoever is responsible for this list, PLEASE remove me from it. > I am not interested at all in receiving that crap. It appears someone is an idiot and added tcplw@bsdi.com to some other list. This was in the header: Return-Path: Someone fix this, please! --Michael From rem-conf Fri May 09 11:10:18 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 11:10:18 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPu7F-0000v5-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:10:01 -0700 From: Lisa Guo Message-Id: <9705090947.ZM3728@cube.engr.sgi.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:47:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: Joerg Mueller "RE: 21N97" (May 9, 11:37am) References: <01BC5C6D.59268AA0@indus.dlib.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: 'Benking Heiner' , 2IN97 <2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr>, congres Subject: Re: 21N97 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Please remove me from the list. Lisa From rem-conf Fri May 09 11:18:49 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 11:18:49 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPuEX-0001DO-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:17:33 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Kern, Mark" To: "'2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr'" <2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr>, "'congres@prism.uvsq.fr'" , "'BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de'" Subject: remove Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:40:44 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list for those of you who are in the same boat I am in, and did not subscribe to this list, I would recommend doing what I am now doing and send your removal requests to root@prism.uvsq.fr and root@faw.uni-ulm.de and hopefully those admins will become annoyed enough to remove us. From rem-conf Fri May 09 11:19:56 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 11:19:56 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPuGk-0001O6-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:19:50 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 11:49:49 -0400 From: debbie@bellcore.com (Deborah G Schmitt) Message-Id: <199705091549.LAA20790@hip7.bellcore.com> To: 2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr, BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de, bjorn@it.kth.se, congres@prism.uvsq.fr Subject: Re: remove please! X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Please remove me as well.. From rem-conf Fri May 09 11:24:34 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 11:24:34 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPuKs-0001lY-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:24:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 13:24:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199705091824.NAA23277@achilles.ctd.anl.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: remove From: "Jeffrey S. Curtis" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list }for those of you who are in the same boat I am in, and did not subscribe }to this list, I would recommend doing what I am now doing and send your }removal requests to root@prism.uvsq.fr and root@faw.uni-ulm.de and }hopefully those admins will become annoyed enough to remove us. It's awfully hard to remove yourself from a list that you're not on. Free clue #1 to everyone who keeps sending these annoying "remove me >from this list!" messages: learn how to read mail headers! If your MUA strips them, get a new MUA! Free clue #2: you shouldn't ever send such a request to the list itself anyway. You all have two choices if you want to get off the "2IN97" et al. mailing lists. You can either figure out who's in charge of that list and tell him/her to remove rem-conf and other lists from their list, or you can unsubscribe from rem-conf itself (and please go reread clue #2 above before flooding rem-conf with more unsubscribe requests). Jeff -- Jeffrey S. Curtis | Internetwork Manager Argonne National Laboratory | Email: curtis@anl.gov 9700 South Cass Avenue, ECT-221 | Voice: 630/252-1789 Argonne, IL 60439 | Fax: 630/252-9689 From rem-conf Fri May 09 11:30:50 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 11:30:50 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPuQ2-00022s-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:29:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert E Lamm To: Dorgham Sisalem Cc: Svenn Hanssen , Joerg Mueller , 'Benking Heiner' , 2IN97 <2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr>, congres , svenn@cc.uit.no Subject: Re: 21N97 In-Reply-To: <199705091230.OAA05441@donald.fokus.gmd.de > Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list What is this list about? -Bob Lamm CYNC Corp. Brookline, MA USA On Fri, 9 May 1997, Dorgham Sisalem wrote: > would the responsible for this list arrange for a seperate way to delete > the peopole from this list. I do not really want to receive all the delete me > messages and surely not the "I concur" ones in reply. I do not know who is responsible for this mess but who ever it is please fix it quickly. I already received more than 15 mails today from this list on which I DID NOT ASK TO GET ON. So > > remove me as well > > Dorgham > From rem-conf Fri May 09 12:00:04 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 12:00:04 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPus1-0002V6-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:58:21 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC5C91.E411DB00@apocalypse.teleeducation.nb.ca> From: Dwight Spencer To: "'Kern, Mark'" , "'2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr'" <2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr>, "'congres@prism.uvsq.fr'" , "'BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de'" Cc: "'rem-conf@es.net'" Subject: RE: remove Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:58:50 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Folks, by now the list owners and system admins know there is a problem, and are working to fix it, now please, stop posting all these "remove me too" messages long enough for the maintainers to try to find out what happened and clean up the lists. dwight s. (originally only on rem-conf@es.net) == dwight spencer phone: 506 444 5389 internet services manager fax: 506 444 4232 spencer@teleeducation.nb.ca TeleEducation NB, 500 Beaverbrook Court, Fredericton, NB, Canada, E3B 5H1 -----Original Message----- From: Kern, Mark [SMTP:mkern@fcgnet.com] Sent: Friday, May 09, 1997 1:41 PM To: '2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr'; 'congres@prism.uvsq.fr'; 'BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de' Subject: remove for those of you who are in the same boat I am in, and did not subscribe to this list, I would recommend doing what I am now doing and send your removal requests to root@prism.uvsq.fr and root@faw.uni-ulm.de and hopefully those admins will become annoyed enough to remove us. From rem-conf Fri May 09 12:35:56 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 12:35:56 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPvQH-00034B-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 12:33:45 -0700 From: Joe Metzger Message-Id: <9705091433.ZM20131@ender.scl.ameslab.gov> Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:33:37 -0500 Organization: ESnet X-Phone: (515)294-1939 X-Fax: (515)294-4491 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Recent Mailing list problems. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Hello, I am one of the Postmasters at ES.net responsible for the REM-CONF mailing list. As you all are aware, somebody has subscribed rem-conf to at least one other list. This has caused a flurry of email that is annoying lots of people. WHAT I HAVE DONE: ----------------- I have send mail to root, postmaster, list-request & list for the 21N97 list. This list appears to be hosted in France and it is Friday night. It does not appear to be an automated list. Therefore, I don't expect to any responses until next Monday. I will also be implementing a filter so I can easily black list sites and prevent them from submitting messages to rem-conf (If I ever finish reading email about this problem). What YOU SHOULD DO: ------------------- NOTHING! I have received over a hundred complaints, suggestions and poorly formed unsubscribe requests today already. Several of people have sent unsubscribe requests, suggestions on how to solve the problem etc. to the list as well. I would ask for your patience and for you to just delete extranious rem-conf mail for today and Monday. Current Status of rem-conf: Rem-conf currently has about 1157 subscribers at ESnet. Of those at least 80 are links to other rem-conf exploders at other sites. I suspect the actual number of receipents is between 1500 and 2000 people. Rem-conf was a manually maintained list up until a month or so ago. Now it is running on a modified version of the Smartlist mailing list package. If you want to unsubscribe, please send a single message to rem-conf@es.net with a subject line of "unsubscribe" or with a single body line of "unsubscribe your@email.address". There is now a digested version of rem-conf available. The digested list is sent out about once a week (sooner if there is lots of activity). The digest contains a list of the subjects of this weeks messages and Mime attached versions of all the messages. If you want to subscribe to the digested list send a message to rem-conf-digest-request@es.net. The subject or body of the message should contain: "subscribe your@email.address". ************************************************************************* * Joe Metzger Ames Office: (515)294-1939 * * Computer Systems Engineer LBNL Office: (510)486-5740 * * Network Information Services Group metzger@es.net * * ESnet, Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory 314 Wilhelm, ISU, Ames IA, 50011 * ************************************************************************* From rem-conf Fri May 09 14:01:23 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 14:01:23 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPwkI-0003y3-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 13:58:30 -0700 Message-Id: <9705092058.AA03420@merckx.graphics.cornell.edu> From: Hurf Sheldon Subject: Question re:PHC show @ Cornell To: sysadms@cornell.edu, rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 16:58:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 381 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Folks, Sent by a friend, it is a good question - I assume NPR would NOT want this done but who knows for sure? > Is Cornell planning on doing a webcast of the Prarie Home > Companion? It might be a first. Or some sort of Cu-SeeMe thing? After > all, this being a supercomputing- leading-edge facility at an institution > which has made this area known around the world. > From rem-conf Fri May 09 15:38:15 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 15:38:15 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPyEU-0004ip-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 15:33:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:10:33 +0200 (MET DST) From: Rogelio Lozano Message-Id: <199705091210.OAA02224@asterix.gi.utc> To: 2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr, congres@prism.uvsq.fr, BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de, adida@masi.ibp.fr Subject: Re: REMOVE X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Whoever is (i)rresponsible for the list Please remove me from the list. And please do not create lists like that adding e-mail addresses at random. It make us all losse precious time. Rogelio Lozano > From 2in97@prism.uvsq.fr Fri May 9 13:23 MET 1997 > Sender: Yoan.Adida@masi.ibp.fr > Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 13:11:59 +0200 > From: Yoan ADIDA > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3C (X11; I; Linux 2.1.23 i586) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: 2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr, congres@prism.uvsq.fr, BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de > Subject: REMOVE > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi, > > could you please remove me from the mailing-list. > > I never asked to get into it. > > -- > Adida Yoan > > "Honni soit qui manigance , bien mal acquis ne profite qu'apres" > -- Coluche > From rem-conf Fri May 09 15:50:54 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Fri May 09 15:50:53 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wPyUE-000531-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 15:50:02 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kevin Dunlap To: "'2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr'" <2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr>, "'congres@prism.uvsq.fr'" , "'BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de'" Subject: RE: REMOVE Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 08:19:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Remove the IETF mailing list from these other mailing lists. -Kevin >-----Original Message----- >From: Hans-Werner Gellersen [SMTP:hwg@teco.uni-karlsruhe.de] >Sent: Friday, May 09, 1997 4:48 AM >To: 2IN97@prism.uvsq.fr; congres@prism.uvsq.fr; BENKING@faw.uni-ulm.de >Subject: Re: REMOVE > >Please remove me from the mailing-list NOW. >I never asked to get into it. From rem-conf Sat May 10 10:47:36 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Sat May 10 10:47:35 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wQG7m-0003U5-00; Sat, 10 May 1997 10:40:02 -0700 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 13:39:42 -0400 From: rodgers@nlm.nih.gov (R. P. C. Rodgers) Message-Id: <199705101739.NAA11725@billings.csb> To: sysadms@cornell.edu, rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net, hurf@graphics.cornell.edu Subject: Re: Question re:PHC show @ Cornell X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list > From hurf@graphics.cornell.edu Fri May 9 17:04:13 1997 > From: Hurf Sheldon > > Folks, > Sent by a friend, it is a good question - I assume NPR would > NOT want this done but who knows for sure? > > > Is Cornell planning on doing a webcast of the Prarie Home > > Companion? It might be a first. Or some sort of Cu-SeeMe thing? After Actually, NPR probably couldn't care less. Prairie Home Companion comes from not from NPR but from PRI (Public Radio International). From rem-conf Mon May 12 08:13:31 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Mon May 12 08:13:29 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wQwSB-0004ey-00; Mon, 12 May 1997 07:51:55 -0700 From: anand@ece.iisc.ernet.in (SVR Anand) Message-Id: <9705121451.AA03509@ece.iisc.ernet.in> Subject: AGC, echo cancellation in VAT To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Mon, 12 May 97 20:21:14 GMT+5:30 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Hi, Can someone give me references on the theoretical aspects of the VAT's implementation that deals with audio echo cancellation, and AGC ? Thanks. Regards Anand. From rem-conf Tue May 13 12:15:05 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Tue May 13 12:15:04 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wRMoG-0002Ed-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 12:00:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:59:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Russell Doyen To: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Subject: Mbone newbie help Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1902 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Greetings, I was asked to setup an mbone session for JENC8 in Edinburgh. I have never setup an mbone session before, so I have been poking around the www.mbone.com pages, and subscribed to mbone-na and rem-conf lists. I have the Win95 version of VIC. I have 24 Ascend 4004, 4000, and 1600 routers. Lots of PL50's and PL75's too. I also have several SUN 1000's, 20's, and 5's. The SUN's are on the current Solaris with patches. I set one of my routers for Multicast.Forwarding=yes. I don't have the info for a Multicast Profile= ???. I don't have another router to point to for the multicast. Can someone tell me how to get this router on the mbone backbone? My routers are the backbone routers for all the libraries in Maryland, and some of the K-12 and community colleges. I think many of my users would appreciate access to the mbone. Can someone give me the IP/Port for the Win95 software to point to? I appreciate any help with this. This is a traceroute from one of my systems to Yahoo for info as to my placement on the Internet: traceroute to www.yahoo.com (204.71.177.72), 30 hops max, 0 byte packets 1 epfl-cisco.epflbalto.org (192.188.199.1) 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 2 baltimore-cr1.bbnplanet.net (192.221.74.65) 20 ms 0 ms 10 ms 3 baltimore1-cr1.bbnplanet.net (4.0.250.129) 10 ms 10 ms 0 ms 4 washdc1-br2.bbnplanet.net (4.0.2.53) 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 5 washdc1-br1.bbnplanet.net (4.0.2.125) 10 ms 0 ms 10 ms 6 core6-hssi6-0.Washington.mci.net (206.157.77.217) 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms 7 bordercore2-loopback.Bloomington.mci.net (166.48.176.1) 70 ms 70 ms 70 ms 8 internet-connection.Bloomington.mci.net (166.48.177.254) 90 ms 80 ms 100 ms 9 core1-fe4-0.MV.isi.net (206.251.1.1) 100 ms 100 ms 110 ms 10 www7.yahoo.com (204.71.177.72) 90 ms 100 ms 90 ms Russell Doyen Sailor Network Engineer From rem-conf Tue May 13 13:27:11 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Tue May 13 13:27:11 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wRO6E-0002nM-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 13:23:06 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC5FA0.D148B360@titanium> From: Jason Coombs To: "'Hurf Sheldon'" Cc: "rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net" Subject: RE: Question re:PHC show @ Cornell Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:23:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Greetings. Go to: http://www.mpr.org Minnesota Public Radio is the producer of A Prairie Home Companion and you'll find what you're looking for on their Web site. Regards, Jason Coombs Scientist, SCIENCE.ORG http://www.science.org/jasonc/ -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzH47i4AAAEEAKjzazn04nZvnPQo/Rj+O026OyDi6kw6Rvl13YcfjgiaE76t qU0COmWDpDLtDgrYSosDRwFdIPJuo4esXhUfgpWFEF2BXTqO+r9sKV9A3VBKGP3A wXMhcSZH7PQR96KMPlLEl/DoQa9KfcUPfb3stf2UfNrOmaYyZEfm6QRcLcyhAAUR tCFKYXNvbiBDb29tYnMgPGphc29uY0BzY2llbmNlLm9yZz6JAJUDBRAx+O6bR+bp BFwtzKEBARp0A/wKb3WAhILkc30bOhvxrMab50iUYWPQaJObrBpQc3CsbCartFZe Xf5LStYtBrjXNlW+r0yJVn0ETE3MHDLE2wEWGiuEIpGcXYMaigajxAI+RuIxdK5c Xx4BM/7vKIhvFHEHvBKVP35xeJK2r9lAa0RQGp05I3t81T9EuumBg/StrA== =aUAR -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----Original Message----- From: Hurf Sheldon [SMTP:hurf@graphics.cornell.edu] Sent: Friday, May 09, 1997 1:58 PM To: sysadms@cornell.edu; rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Subject: Question re:PHC show @ Cornell Folks, Sent by a friend, it is a good question - I assume NPR would NOT want this done but who knows for sure? > Is Cornell planning on doing a webcast of the Prarie Home > Companion? It might be a first. Or some sort of Cu-SeeMe thing? After > all, this being a supercomputing- leading-edge facility at an institution > which has made this area known around the world. > From rem-conf Tue May 13 13:41:36 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Tue May 13 13:41:36 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wROKU-0003AA-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 13:37:50 -0700 From: John Hawkinson Message-Id: <199705132037.QAA18955@all-purpose-gunk.near.net> Subject: Re: Mbone newbie help To: rdoyen@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Russell Doyen) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Cc: rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: from "Russell Doyen" at May 13, 97 02:59:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list > I have the Win95 version of VIC. I have 24 Ascend 4004, 4000, and > 1600 routers. Lots of PL50's and PL75's too. I also have several SUN > 1000's, 20's, and 5's. The SUN's are on the current Solaris with patches. > > I set one of my routers for Multicast.Forwarding=yes. I don't have > the info for a Multicast Profile= ???. I don't have another router to > point to for the multicast. Can someone tell me how to get this router > on the mbone backbone? I don't know anything about Ascend's multicast configuration -- in order for you to connect to the MBone, however, you need to get in touch with your ISP and get an MBone tunnel -- thus, you should send mail to mbone@bbnplanet.com. You'll need to terminate this tunnel in something -- presumably you'd like to do so in one of your Ascends, but you may need to check with them to see if that is even possible (?). If not, you can run mrouted on one of your Solaris machines. --jhawk From rem-conf Tue May 13 17:47:13 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Tue May 13 17:47:12 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wRSAM-0004MO-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:43:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 20:43:34 -0400 (EDT) From: kevin@cc.gatech.edu (Kevin C. Almeroth) Message-Id: <199705140043.UAA19651@flora.cc.gatech.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: IETF and IMJ X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Just a quick announcement that I've started to add some of the Memphis IETF sessions to the IMJ. Right now I've got the two AVT sessions, and the Multicast WWW BOF. Also, there is a whole new set of Turner content. I'm planning to add most of the rest of the IETF sessions that were recorded by Evi Nemeth (thanks Evi!!!) but not for a couple days since I'm out of town. If anyone has anything in particular that they would like to see ASAP, send me mail and I'll give it priority when I get back. I've included the original IMJ announcement just in case there is anybody out there who hasn't heard about it. :-) -Kevin Almeroth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Announcing the Interactive Multimedia Jukebox At one point on the MBone list there was a discussion of what on-demand servers exist or are being developed. Well, I'd like to announce our version called the Interactive Multimedia Jukebox (IMJ). The IMJ web page is a request and scheduling interface for the playout of content over the MBone. CONTENT IS ENCODED SO THAT IT CAN BE RECEIVED WITH THE LATEST VERSIONS OF VIC AND VAT (ANY PLATFORM). The IMJ page is located at http://imj.gatech.edu. Information about the IMJ including general info, a postscript version of a paper about the IMJ, how-to-use information, and how it was implemented can be found at http://www.cc.gatech.edu/computing/Telecomm/IMJ/. Some quick additional information about the IMJ is included below: IMJ Audio/Video ----------------- The IMJ uses the WWW to submit requests which are then scheduled for playout on the MBone. Right now we are offering three channels: Channels 1 and 2 are being broadcast at a TTL of 127. Channel 3 is for internal testing and has a a TTL of 15. Each channel provides DVI-2 audio and 128 Kbps H.261 video. The encoding was done using Henning Schulzrinne's rtpplay and rtpdump. Scheduling ---------- Program scheduling uses a set of criteria to decide on which channel to schedule a program. The current set of criteria are listed just below the interactive schedule. We are exploring lots of different options. Content ------- We have been working on the jukebox paradigm with Turner Broadcasting, and as a result of their interest they have agreed to let us broadcast content on the MBone. I am particularly excited about this aspect because of their help and interest in investigating new applications on the Internet. The plan is to add a new set of content about every two weeks. When this happens, the old content will be moved to the secondary request menu for two weeks. The old-old stuff will be removed. Hopefully I'll be able to advertise on the MBone list when the new stuff is available. Development Platform -------------------- As is mentioned in the paper on the IMJ information page we are using the IMJ as a platform for a variety of research issues including providing interactivity, supporting multiple heterogeneous streams, video server organization, tracking usage, program scheduling, and pricing. Acknowledgments ---------------- In addition to Turner Broadcasting, several other groups have made the IMJ possible. The GT Broadband Telecommunications Center sponsored much of the research and some of the equipment, and GT Office of Information Technology offered technical assistance and additional equipment. Please send me any feedback or suggestions. Thanks. -Kevin Almeroth From rem-conf Tue May 13 19:48:28 1997 From rem-conf-request@tmpmail.es.net Tue May 13 19:48:26 1997 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wRU2f-0004uL-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:43:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 19:29:19 -0700 () From: Stephen Casner To: rem-conf@es.net cc: Fred Baker Subject: Real-Time Transport Protocol MIB Review Message-ID: X-X-Sender: casner@little-bear.precept.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@tmpmail.es.net Precedence: list Fred Baker has graciously assisted the AVT working group by reviewing the RTP MIB. Per his request below, I am forwarding his review to the WG mailing list. My reply will be in a message to follow. -- Steve Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 09:20:18 -0700 From: Fred Baker Subject: Real-Time Transport Protocol MIB Review On behalf of the Network Management Directorate, I am looking at > Real-Time Transport Protocol > Management Information Base > > > March 24, 1997 > managing Real-Time Transport Protocol Systems [1]. Comments > should be made to the IETF Audio/Video Transport Working Group. First comment: I was unable to determine from the internet draft what mailing list comments on this MIB should go to (it is the AVT WG, but the mailto URL is not in the document). Please forward these comments to the relevant list. Second comment: I note that three authors are listed on the draft, but only one in each of the two MODULE-IDENTITY statements. It's up to you, but I should think you'd want all three listed, as compilable schemas generally omit the RFC from which the MIB is extracted. > 4.1.1 An "RTP Session" is defined by an IP address and a pair of > transport-layer port numbers, this is a "Session Address". There > is one Session Address for a multicast session and two for unicast. If it uses port numbers, it seems to me that it should use both IP Addresses; if not both IP Addresses, then it should not be both ports. The port number is essentially as extention of the IP Address to identify a process (perhaps a listening process). >4.1.2 An "RTP Data Stream" is a sequence of packets sent to the >even-numbered port of the RTP Session when UDP is used to transport >the RTP data. Data streams are uniquely identified within an RTP >Session by "SSRC" attributes. And what on God's green earth might an SSRC be? Is there a reference, perhaps, that defines this term? Would this by the Synchronization Source Identifier described (not very well) in draft-rao-rtsp-00.txt? And tell me, is it more understandable to say "SSRC Attribute" or "Synchronization Source Identifier."? You might reference section 3.2, Set Transport, of that document, where SSRC is defined in this manner: SSRC: 32 bits Identifies the synchronization source to be associated with the data. This can be used for de-multiplexing by the client of data received on the same port. > The attribute, state and statistical information of the components > described in section 4.1 compose the column objects of the tables. > Since there are 1:N mappings between some of the components, a > more structured and efficient representation would create separate > tables for some of the components, such as a Session table, and this > would make some streams table columns redundant (i.e., obtainable > through a join). The two-table model is proposed here for the sake > of simplicity in the management entity and management application. > rtpEgSentPackets OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Counter32 > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "Count statistic of packets sent from this SSRC." > ::= { rtpEgEntry 6} > > rtpEgSentOctets OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Counter32 > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "Count statistic of octets sent from this SSRC." > ::= { rtpEgEntry 7 } Wouldn't it be simpler/more understandable to say "The number of packets/octets sent from this SSRC"? In RFC 1902, there is a requirement that the MIB describe, for each counter or set of counters, when counting starts. I think the requirement is brain-dead - show me a counter in any MIB that doesn't start counting when the column containing it is created - but you're supposed to say either in the description of the Table OBJECT-TYPE or in each Counter32 in the MIB "... since the creation of the column of objects". So I would make both of these read "The number of packets/octets sent from this SSRC since the creation of the data stream." 7.1.6. Counter32 The Counter32 type represents a non-negative integer which monotonically increases until it reaches a maximum value of 2^32-1 (4294967295 decimal), when it wraps around and starts increasing again from zero. Counters have no defined "initial" value, and thus, a single value of a Counter has (in general) no information content. Discontinuities in the monotonically increasing value normally occur at re- initialization of the management system, and at other times as specified in the description of an object-type using this ASN.1 type. If such other times can occur, for example, the creation of an object instance at times other than re-initialization, then a corresponding object should be defined with a SYNTAX clause value of TimeStamp (a textual convention defined in [3]) indicating the time of the last discontinuity. The value of the MAX-ACCESS clause for objects with a SYNTAX clause value of Counter32 is either "read-only" or "accessible-for-notify". A DEFVAL clause is not allowed for objects with a SYNTAX clause value of Counter32. > rtpEgTool OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX OCTET STRING (SIZE(1..128)) > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "State variable names the tool sourcing the stream." > ::= { rtpEgEntry 8 } In what sense is this a "state variable"? If it were a state variable, I would expect it to enumerate the states it might take, and in some sense define them. INTEGER { closed(1), opening(2), established(3), closing(4) } DESCRIPTION "This variable describes the states of the RTP FSM." REFERENCE "Section 19.272 of the Real Time Transport Protocol." Should this not read "the name of the tool sourcing the stream", and have the syntax DisplayString? RFC 1903 has a full definition of a DisplayString, but in general it means "Ascii Text", and any OCTET STRING that contains ASCII text is generally a DisplayString. Here are the first couple of lines. DisplayString::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION DISPLAY-HINT "255a" STATUS current DESCRIPTION "Represents textual information taken from the NVT ASCII character set, as defined in pages 4, 10-11 of RFC 854. .... > rtpEgInactiveTime OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Gauge32 > UNITS "milliseconds" > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "Elapsed time since last stream packet." > ::= { rtpEgEntry 9 } Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. As a general rule, SNMP MIBs have tried to avoid information which was ephemeral in nature. This item seems ephemeral. If you had a timestamp, it could be understood in reference to other timestamps, and a simple difference would give you the period of time you are seeking. But making the object produce a period of time - well, time since when? When I read this value, how much time has elapsed between the time the GET succeeded and the time the NMS received the GET RESPONSE containing the value? Is the amount of time since the last packet 13 milliseconds, or is it 13 milliseconds plus an intervening 51 milliseconds that it took to get through a router's congested queue en route back to me? Or was that 151 milliseconds? Are you certain that another packet didn't arrive while I wasn't looking? I would have expected that it would have the semantics "time of the last packet, measured in