From rem-conf Mon Jun 01 06:49:18 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun 01 06:49:16 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ygUrp-0007lW-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:43:13 -0700 Received: from eros.brunel.ac.uk [134.83.128.60] (pp) by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ygUro-0007lH-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:43:12 -0700 Received: from babbage.brunel.ac.uk by eros.brunel.ac.uk with SMTP-BRUNEL (PP); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:42:43 +0100 From: Andrew.Findlay@brunel.ac.uk Message-Id: <24803.199806011342@babbage.brunel.ac.uk> Subject: Mbone broadcast: A World of Chaos To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:42:42 +0100 (BST) Cc: mbone-uk@cs.ucl.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1693 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list A World of Chaos Prof Peter Cochrane Head of Applied Research and Technology, BT Laboratories Wednesday 3 June 1998 at 5.30pm BST (16:30 GMT) Just 20 years ago all telephones were on the end of a wire and static, with users making an average of two or three telephone calls per day at unrelated times. True, there were busy hours, with meal times and tea breaks seeing a distinct lack of calls, but by and large calls were governed by random events. This all changed with the arrival of TV phone-in programmes ..... a new world of network chaos was born. With the arrival of the mobile telephone a new phase of chaos erupted. Traffic jams, train and plane cancellations all trigger correlated activity ..... systems become overloaded as thousands of people demand to be connected at the same time. So a transition has occurred, from a random world of reasonably distributed events, to a highly localised and correlated world of activity triggered by anything causing us to act in unison. Prof Cochrane is expected to expand on his views of "a world of chaos" at the lecture on 3 June This is the fourth 3M Innovation Lecture at Brunel University. This talk will be broadcast on the MBONE. There are no slides available so we will do our best with the cameras to cover the relevant visual aids as well as the speaker. We understand that the talk includes the use of video. Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | From Andrew Findlay at Brunel University, Uxbridge, UB8 3PH, UK | | Andrew.Findlay@brunel.ac.uk +44 1895 203066 or +44 1895 274000 x2512 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf Mon Jun 01 07:00:44 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun 01 07:00:43 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ygV68-0000Zi-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:58:00 -0700 Received: from sulu.mmm.com [192.28.4.21] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ygV66-0000ZY-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:57:59 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by sulu.mmm.com (8.8.7/8.8.1) id IAA04399 for rem-conf@es.net..; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:57:57 -0500 (CDT) X-Lotus-FromDomain: 3M-CORPORATE From: sbmerkle2@mmm.com To: rem-conf@es.net Message-ID: <86256616.004CA4A9.00@em-smtpmta-01.mmm.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:57:51 -0500 Subject: Mailing list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hello, I would like to get on your mailing list for information regarding desktop video. Thank you, Susan Merkle (address information located above) From rem-conf Mon Jun 01 08:19:47 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun 01 08:19:47 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ygWK3-00028j-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:16:27 -0700 Received: from nis-tradewind.paisley.ac.uk (wpmail.paisley.ac.uk) [146.191.32.5] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ygWK2-00027J-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:16:26 -0700 Received: from Gate-Message_Server by wpmail.paisley.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:22:31 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:21:23 +0000 From: Delia Atherton To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Europia'98 Conference Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list This is sent as a reminder that the deadline for submission for the Europia'98 Conference is 12 June 1998 (thanks to those who have already submitted). Template or formatting instructions can be found in: http://www.caad.ed.ac.uk/europia/formats.html Regards. Delia From rem-conf Mon Jun 01 12:10:55 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun 01 12:10:54 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ygZpZ-000564-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:01:13 -0700 Received: from (barque.mdcorp.ksc.nasa.gov) [163.205.180.60] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ygZpW-00054W-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:01:12 -0700 Received: from barque (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barque.mdcorp.ksc.nasa.gov (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA16199 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:00:05 -0400 Sender: dbeavers@ksc.nasa.gov Message-ID: <3572FA34.41C6@ksc.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:00:04 -0400 From: Daniel Beavers Organization: Boeing X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: bind: Address already in use Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list I am stumped and do not know what to look at next. If someone could make a suggestion I would appreciate it. Machine: SGI O2 R5K OS6.3 This machine is on a network segment with another machine providing a tunnel. The problem is that I can not get 'sdr' to start up. When I try it spits back: bind: Address already in use Address: e0027ffe, Port: 9875 How do I find out what is allready bound to this and how it got bound? Vic seems to operate properly. -- Daniel Beavers From rem-conf Mon Jun 01 14:10:25 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun 01 14:10:24 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ygbly-0006kb-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:05:38 -0700 Received: from (barque.mdcorp.ksc.nasa.gov) [163.205.180.60] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ygblx-0006kB-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:05:37 -0700 Received: from barque (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barque.mdcorp.ksc.nasa.gov (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA16366 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:04:35 -0400 Sender: dbeavers@ksc.nasa.gov Message-ID: <35731762.2781@ksc.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 17:04:34 -0400 From: Daniel Beavers Organization: Boeing X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: bind: Address already in use References: <3572FA34.41C6@ksc.nasa.gov> <9806011341.ZM12833@vod.arc.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list That was the ticket. THANKS David! David Meyers wrote: > > Dan: See if you are running the SGI supplied sdpd - Session Directory > Server Daemon. See man sdpd for details. > > David Meyers > NASA NISN Engineering -- Daniel Beavers From rem-conf Mon Jun 01 20:20:38 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun 01 20:20:37 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yghXe-0002Es-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:15:14 -0700 Received: from canaa.usma.ac.pa [168.77.100.3] (mbone) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yghXb-0002ET-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:15:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (mbone@localhost) by canaa.usma.ac.pa (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA16143; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:17:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:17:18 -0500 (EST) From: Administrador de Mbone To: Daniel Beavers cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: bind: Address already in use In-Reply-To: <3572FA34.41C6@ksc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list I have the same kind of problem but with vic. It is vic-2.8 for linux (elf or cqcam version), linux kernel 2.0.32, with sdr 2.3a1. A Freebsd mrouter (3.8a) provided the tunnel to the linux subnet. BTW, the sdr 2.3a1 creates Private Sessions only, however one winNT station running sdr from the ukerna-shrimp project, detected them as public sessions, no other platform/flavor of sdr showed the so-created sessions. Suggestions are dutifully appreciated. -- Azael Barrera On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Daniel Beavers wrote: > I am stumped and do not know what to look at next. If someone could > make a suggestion I would appreciate it. > > This machine is on a network segment with another machine providing a > tunnel. The problem is that I can not get 'sdr' to start up. When I > try it spits back: > bind: Address already in use > > How do I find out what is allready bound to this and how it got bound? > > Vic seems to operate properly. > > -- > Daniel Beavers > From rem-conf Tue Jun 02 00:38:18 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jun 02 00:38:17 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yglVK-0004qt-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:29:06 -0700 Received: from eagle.rvs.uni-hannover.de [130.75.5.48] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yglVJ-0004qR-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:29:05 -0700 Received: from challenger.rvs.uni-hannover.de(really [130.75.5.175]) by eagle.rvs.uni-hannover.de via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:28:53 +0200 (METDST) (Smail-3.2.0.92 1997-Feb-9 #3 built 1997-Apr-4) Received: from localhost by challenger.rvs.uni-hannover.de via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:28:50 +0200 (MDT) (Smail-3.2.0.92 1997-Feb-9 #1 built 1997-Apr-3) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:28:50 +0200 (MDT) From: "Jens-S. Voeckler" X-Sender: voeckler@challenger To: Daniel Beavers cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: bind: Address already in use In-Reply-To: <3572FA34.41C6@ksc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Daniel Beavers wrote: ]try it spits back: ]bind: Address already in use ]Address: e0027ffe, Port: 9875 try the tool lsof (list open fds). It displays applications bound to a port, too, among many other nifty things. I misplace its URL, but search/archie should help you find it. Le deagh dh=F9rachd, Dipl.-Ing. Jens-S. V=F6ckler (voeckler@rvs.uni-hannover.de) Institute for Computer Networks and Distributed Systems University of Hanover, Germany; +49 511 762 4726 From rem-conf Tue Jun 02 16:36:22 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jun 02 16:36:21 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yh0R9-0001sI-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:25:47 -0700 Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yh0R7-0001s8-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:25:45 -0700 Received: from sleet.dstc.edu.au (sleet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.45]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA03502; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:25:42 +1000 (EST) Received: (from ggm@localhost) by sleet.dstc.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA11801; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:25:39 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:25:39 +1000 (EST) From: George Michaelson Message-Id: <199806022325.JAA11801@sleet.dstc.edu.au> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Sprint & Lucent (& ciscos) ION/VOIP announcements Cc: mbone@isi.edu X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Marginally off-topic, but I think this stuff is good for rem-conf aware people. Its indicative that 'ip uber alles' is really coming true and that delivery of telephony standard services over IP is taken seriously by the decision makers. But it does beg the question: will there be a sane topological mapping of this kind of connectivity back into broadcast and anycast network methods we know and love? Anybody else want to comment? I got interviewed 2 years ago by a journo looking for background on the 'telephone calls over IP' story and was foolish enough to say it was 5+ years off. Looks to me like it will just scrape under the wire... -George From rem-conf Wed Jun 03 07:34:59 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun 03 07:34:58 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yhEG7-0002QJ-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:11:19 -0700 Received: from thumper.bellcore.com [128.96.41.1] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yhEG6-0002PH-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:11:18 -0700 Received: from mailee.bellcore.com (mailee.bellcore.com [192.4.7.23]) by thumper.bellcore.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24897; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stanpc (stanpc.bellcore.com [192.4.12.105]) by mailee.bellcore.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA29044; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806031407.KAA29044@mailee.bellcore.com> X-Sender: stanm@mailee.bellcore.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:10:13 -0400 To: enternet@bbn.com, tccc@cs.umass.edu, dbworld@cs.wisc.edu, end2end-interest@isi.edu, f-troup@codex.cis.upenn.edu, cost237-transport@comp.lancs.ac.uk, reres@laas.fr, hipparch@sophia.inria.fr, xtp-relay@cs.concordia.ca, rem-conf@es.net, sigmedia@bellcore.com, mobile-ip@tadpole.com, cellular@comnets.rwth-aachen.de, ieeetcpc@ccvm.sunysb.edu, cnom@maestro.bellcore.com, commsoft@cc.bellcore.com, multicomm@research.panasonic.com From: Stan Moyer Subject: ENCOM '98 Final Program and Registration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Enterprise Networking and Computing '98 (ENCOM-98) will be held on Sunday, June 07, 1998 in the Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel, Atlanta, GA, USA, in "Plaza North/Center" and "Plaza South" rooms.

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 From rem-conf Wed Jun 03 07:52:42 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun 03 07:52:41 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yhErX-00030L-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:49:59 -0700 Received: from lutra.sztaki.hu [193.225.86.1] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yhErW-0002yg-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:49:58 -0700 Received: from micsik@localhost by lutra.sztaki.hu id <1152059-5787>; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:49:40 +0200 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:49:39 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: micsik@sztaki.hu From: Andras Micsik Reply-To: Andras Micsik To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Playing digital audio/video formats Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dear all, I cannot figure out how can I play digitized video or audio on the MBONE. For example vat has a -U option to specify a stream socket. How can I use that socket to pump mpeg3 sound into vat? How can I pump MPEG or AVI into vic? Or are there other tools that can do this? ----------------------------------------------------------- Andras Micsik micsik@sztaki.hu MTA SZTAKI Hungary http://www.sztaki.hu/~micsik From rem-conf Wed Jun 03 08:57:57 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun 03 08:57:57 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yhFs9-0004ch-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:54:41 -0700 Received: from tac.inria.fr [138.96.24.102] (flyonnet) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yhFs7-0004aD-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:54:40 -0700 Received: from localhost by tac.inria.fr (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10184; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:54:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199806031554.RAA10184@tac.inria.fr> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Andras Micsik cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Playing digital audio/video formats In-Reply-To: Message from Andras Micsik of "Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:49:39 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 17:54:12 +0200 From: Frank Lyonnet X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list > > Dear all, > > I cannot figure out how can I play digitized video or audio on the > MBONE. For example vat has a -U option to specify a stream socket. How can > I use that socket to pump mpeg3 sound into vat? How can I pump MPEG or > AVI into vic? Or are there other tools that can do this? Check http://www.inria.fr/rodeo/rv . The Rendez-Vous audio/video tool allows you to play MPEG 1/2 files (video only) through the mbone using h261 for example. Frank From rem-conf Fri Jun 05 01:03:40 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jun 05 01:03:40 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yhrIP-0001EF-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:52:17 -0700 Received: from io.iao.fhg.de [137.251.36.1] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yhrI9-0001Ch-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:52:08 -0700 Received: from clint.swt.iao.fhg.de by io.iao.fhg.de with SMTP (iao.fhg.de:9403141) id JAA11327; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:45:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by clint.swt.iao.fhg.de(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4125661A.003121CA ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:56:39 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IAO From: Anke.Ahrend@iao.fhg.de To: 74464.45@compuserve.com Message-ID: <41256619.004E0F9F.A0@clint.swt.iao.fhg.de> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:56:30 +0100 Subject: CALL FOR PAPERS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list CALL FOR PAPERS ***** 8th Int. Conference on Human-Computer Interaction ***** HCI International '99 August 22-27, 1999 Munich, Germany Important Submission DEADLINES: Papers (Ext. Abstracts): Nov. 30, 1998 Special Interest Groups: Sept. 30, 1998 Demos/Posters: April 30, 1999 Submission Requirements and further Information: see conference web site: http://hci99.iao.fhg.de *** HCI International '99 - Creating New Relationships *** You are cordially invited to participate in HCI International '99, the 8th conference in a major series of events addressing all areas of Human-Computer Interaction. Under the general theme of 'Creating New Relationships' new links and synergies will be explored between information technologies and their users, between people working together, and in the context of the rapidly evolving global information society. 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From rem-conf Fri Jun 05 07:02:03 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jun 05 07:02:03 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yhwuz-0006ph-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:52:29 -0700 Received: from dxcoms.cern.ch [137.138.28.176] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yhwux-0006om-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:52:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (fle@localhost) by dxcoms.cern.ch (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA10827; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:51:24 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:51:24 +0200 (MET DST) From: Martin Fluckiger To: rem-conf@es.net, hepnet-l@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu, HRC@in2p3.fr, htasc@listbox1.cern.ch, net-teleconferencing@listbox1.cern.ch Subject: CERN ATLAS Plenary meeting Mbone netcast Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list CERN is pleased to announce the MBONE broadcast of the ATLAS Plenary Meeting --------------------- on Thursday 11 June 1998 from the CERN Auditorium *** Times are UTC+2 *** Plenary Meeting Thursday 11 June 1998 -------------------------------------- 14:00 Introduction and status (P. Jenni) - LHCC matters - Council and Non-Member State matters - Decisions of the ATLAS EB since the last Plenary 14:30 Electronics coordination issues - Grounding policy and implementations - Timing strategies - B-field compatibility of power supplies (H. Williams) 15:00 The Pixel TDR (N.N) 15:40 Status of the LVL1 TDR (N. Ellis) 16:00 ---- tea break --- 16:30 Status of the ATLAS software (N.N) 17:00 Overview of the work programme for the coming months (T. Akesson) 17:30 Overview of the global budget handling (P. Schmid) - System reporting - budgets - Funding Agency contacts - RRB 18:00 TCM agenda/issues (H. Hoffmann) 18:15 Brief announcements (P. Jenni) 18:20 ---- end of the Plenary session The broadcast is announced via sdr as "CERN ATLAS". vat and vic applications will be used with a ttl of 127. The sessions will also be recorded using the wrtp application. 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Best regards, -------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Fluckiger & Christian Isnard CERN - CN/CS/EN multicast@noc.cern.ch European Laboratory for Particle Physics Computers and Networks division CH-1211 Geneva 23 - Switzerland From rem-conf Sat Jun 06 07:51:29 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 06 07:51:28 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yiKAV-0006Xe-00; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 07:42:03 -0700 Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yiKAU-0006XU-00; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 07:42:02 -0700 Received: from boole.dnrc.bell-labs.com ([135.180.161.25]) by dirty; Sat Jun 6 10:40:34 EDT 1998 Received: (from mv@localhost) by boole.dnrc.bell-labs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29281; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:40:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Malathi Veeraraghavan Message-Id: <199806061440.KAA29281@boole.dnrc.bell-labs.com> To: ietf@CNRI.Reston.US, mobile-ip@tadpole.com, rem-conf@es.net Subject: Infocom 99 CFP - paper submission deadline July 1, 1998 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list ************************************************************************** IEEE INFOCOM'99 The Conference on Computer Communications The Future is Now March 21, 1999 - March 25, 1999 Sheraton New York Hotel and Towers New York, NY 18th Annual Joint Conference of the IEEE Computer and Communication Societies Sponsored by the Computer Communications Technical Committees of the Societies. CALL FOR PAPERS Authors are invited to submit full papers reporting results in all areas of computer communications and networks. Work based on rigorous analysis as well as on experimentation, simulation, and implementation is solicited. Detailed, regularly updated description of topics of interest as well as other information related to the conference can be obtained from the INFOCOM '99 web site. The topics under the purview of the conference include: - wireless systems (access, routing/multicasting, mobility management, resource allocation/provisioning, energy issues, smart antennas, architectures, reconfiguration, etc.) - switching systems (IP switch/routers, ATM, hardware design, performance/modeling, etc.) - high-speed networks (LANs, WANs, optical networks, etc.) - traffic management (admission control, shaping, scheduling, congestion control, pricing, etc.) - network management (intelligent network, active networks, etc.) - traffic modeling (long range dependence, etc.) - multimedia (effective bandwidth, quality-of-service, etc.) - architectures (internet applications, satellite systems, PCS, etc.) SCHEDULE AND IMPORTANT DATES Full Paper Due: July 1, 1998 Notification of Acceptance: November 8, 1998 Camera Ready Version of Accepted Paper Due: January 11, 1999 Conference Dates: March 23-25, 1999 Tutorials: March 21-22, 1999 SUBMISSION INSTRUCTIONS Papers should be submitted electronically according to the instructions at http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~hgs/infocom99. Questions regarding electronic submissions should be addressed to Prof. Henning Schulzrinne (Electronic Submission Coordinator) at schulzrinne@cs.columbia.edu. Papers are limited to 25 pages (11 pt. type and double space) including illustrations and references. Those who need additional information may contact either one of the two technical program co-chairs listed below. Authors who do not have access to the World-Wide-Web, should send six copies of their papers to one of the technical program co-chairs. TECHNICAL PROGRAM CO-CHAIRS Professor Anthony Ephremides Professor Satish K. Tripathi Electrical Engineering Department Bourns College of Engineering University of Maryland University of California College Park, MD 20742 Riverside, CA 92521 (301)405-3641 (Telephone) (909)787-6374 (Telephone) (301)314-9281 (FAX) (909)787-3188 (FAX) e-mail: tony@@eng.umd.edu e-mail: tripathi@engr.ucr.edu STUDENT GRANTS Travel assistance to student authors may be available. For details consult the INFOCOM '99 web site. WORLD WIDE WEB SITE Information on INFOCOM '99 is available at http://www.comsoc.org/confs/infocom/99 http://www.comm.utoronto.ca/~infocom99/ INFOCOM '99 EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE General Chair: Bharat Doshi, Lucent Technologies,USA. Vice General Co-Chairs: Guy Omidyar, Illinois Institute of Technology, USA. Catherine Rosenberg, Nortel, UK. Technical Co-Chairs: Anthony Ephremides, University of Maryland, USA. Satish Tripathi, University of California, Riverside, USA. Publicity Co-Chairs: Irene Katzela, University of Toronto, Canada. Malathi Veeraraghavan, Lucent Technologies, USA. Publications Chair: Ness Shroff, Purdue University, USA Tutorial Co-Chairs: Anwar Elwalid, Lucent Technologies, USA. Ramesh Nagarajan, Lucent Technologies, USA. Panel Co-Chairs: Ted Eckberg, AT&T Labs, USA. Marwan Krunz, University of Arizona, Tuscon, USA. Local Arrangements Co-Chairs: Ibrahim Habib, City College of New York, USA. Andrea F. Lobo, Rowan University, USA. Financial Co-Chairs: Jennifer Rexford, AT&T Labs, USA. Behrokh Samadi, Lucent Technologies, USA. Internet Co-Chairs: Anindo Banerjea, University of Toronto, Canada. Abhijit Choudhury, Lucent Technologies, USA. Mooi Choo Chuah , Lucent Technologies, USA. Yannis Korilis, Lucent Technologies, USA. International (Asia - Pacific) Chair: Seung-Woo Seo, Seoul National University, Korea. INFOCOM Standing Committee Chair: Harvey Freeman, HAF Consulting Inc., USA. From rem-conf Sat Jun 06 10:07:07 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 06 10:07:06 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yiMN8-0000Sn-00; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:03:14 -0700 Received: from is.rice.edu [128.42.42.24] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yiMN7-0000Rp-00; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:03:13 -0700 Received: (from soren@localhost) by is.rice.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24266 for rem-conf@es.net; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:03:11 -0500 (CDT) From: William Soren Deigaard Message-Id: <199806061703.MAA24266@is.rice.edu> Subject: Large rear-projection touchscreen monitors To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:03:11 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Years ago, while watching the preparations for a mbone conference, I saw a group of people using a large rear-projection touchscreen monitor to run the shared whiteboard (wb) application (among other things). I'm quite interested to find out if anyone is still using a system like this. If so, I'd love to have some vendor information. In particular, my "dream" system would be a rear-projection touchscreen monitor that could be used with either a Sun SBUS based system or one of the newer Sun PCI based systems (i.e vga). Please reply directly to soren@rice.edu as I have not resubscribed to rem-conf yet. Many things in advance. Probably afterwards as well. -- William Deigaard ^-^ (soren@rice.edu) (O O) Go Owls! 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RFC 2354: Title: Options for Repair of Streaming Media Author(s): C. Perkins, O. Hodson Status: Informational Date: June 1998 Mailbox: c.perkins@cs.ucl.ac.uk, o.hodson@cs.ucl.ac.uk Pages: 12 Characters: 28876 Updates/Obsoletes: None URL: ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2354.txt This document summarizes a range of possible techniques for the repair of continuous media streams subject to packet loss. The techniques discussed include redundant transmission, retransmission, interleaving and forward error correction. The range of applicability of these techniques is noted, together with the protocol requirements and dependencies. This document is the product of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. This memo provides information for the Internet community. This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF list and the RFC-DIST list. 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From rem-conf Mon Jun 08 04:47:58 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun 08 04:47:57 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yj0H5-0000OW-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:39:39 -0700 Received: from hillhouse.ckp.edu [205.146.215.6] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yj0H3-0000OM-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:39:38 -0700 Received: (from queene@localhost) by hillhouse.ckp.edu (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA13315; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 07:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 07:39:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Queene Cottingham To: mwc@inkjetnet.com cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Remove In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list rem On Sat, 6 Jun 1998 mwc@inkjetnet.com wrote: > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > Message sent by: Midwest Cartridge, P.O. Box 684 Grangeville ID 83530 > PH# 208-983-1406. 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Box 684 Grangeville ID 83530 > (208)983-1406 mwc@inkjetnet.com > > > > From rem-conf Mon Jun 08 09:52:46 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun 08 09:52:46 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yj4y4-000563-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:40:20 -0700 Received: from mail-out2.apple.com [17.254.0.51] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yj4y4-00055r-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:40:20 -0700 Received: from mailgate.apple.com (A17-128-100-225.apple.com [17.128.100.225]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14510 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:34:06 -0700 Received: from scv3.apple.com (scv3.apple.com [17.128.100.121]) by mailgate.apple.com (mailgate.apple.com2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:33:55 -0700 Received: from [17.255.20.120] (alperi1.apple.com [17.255.20.120]) by scv3.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26388; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:33:50 -0700 X-Sender: alagu@mail.apple.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199806022325.JAA11801@sleet.dstc.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:33:49 -0700 To: George Michaelson , rem-conf@es.net From: Alagu Periyannan Subject: Re: Sprint & Lucent (& ciscos) ION/VOIP announcements Cc: mbone@isi.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list At 9:25 AM +1000 6/3/98, George Michaelson wrote: >Marginally off-topic, but I think this stuff is good for rem-conf aware >people. Its indicative that 'ip uber alles' is really coming true and >that delivery of telephony standard services over IP is taken seriously >by the decision makers. > Actually, I was quite confused by the press release. It was not clear whether the integrated network was going to use IP or ATM. There was certainly more mentioned about ATM and it's ability deliver quality voice communication than IP. Did anyone else read it this way? --------------------------------------------------- Alagu Periyannan alagu@apple.com Interactive Multimedia Group Apple Computer, Inc. From rem-conf Mon Jun 08 11:42:26 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun 08 11:42:26 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yj6p0-00008n-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:39:06 -0700 Received: from nastg.gsfc.nasa.gov [192.86.21.220] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yj6oz-00008Y-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:39:05 -0700 Received: from jloiacon.gsfc.nasa.gov (gt4-20-213.gsfc.nasa.gov [192.86.20.213]) by nastg.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18005; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980608144241.006a2b28@nastg.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: jloiacon@nastg.gsfc.nasa.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 14:42:41 -0400 To: Alagu Periyannan , George Michaelson , rem-conf@es.net From: Joe Loiacono Subject: Re: Sprint & Lucent (& ciscos) ION/VOIP announcements Cc: mbone@isi.edu In-Reply-To: References: <199806022325.JAA11801@sleet.dstc.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list At 09:33 AM 6/8/98 -0700, Alagu Periyannan wrote: > >Actually, I was quite confused by the press release. >It was not clear whether the integrated network was going >to use IP or ATM. There was certainly more mentioned about >ATM and it's ability deliver quality voice communication >than IP. > >Did anyone else read it this way? I suspect it will handle IP for data and AAL2 for voice. Joe Loiacono Phone: (301) 794-2509 Computer Sciences Corporation Fax: (301) 794-9530 From rem-conf Mon Jun 08 12:00:05 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun 08 12:00:05 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yj77S-0000zU-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:58:10 -0700 Received: from (sgi122.ctc.com) [147.160.35.57] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yj77Q-0000xh-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:58:08 -0700 Received: (from vescovi@localhost) by sgi122.ctc.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA18008; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:56:23 -0400 From: "Ken Vescovi" Message-Id: <980608145623.ZM18006@sgi122.ctc.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:56:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: Alagu Periyannan "Re: Sprint & Lucent (& ciscos) ION/VOIP announcements" (Jun 8, 9:33am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: Alagu Periyannan Subject: Re: Sprint & Lucent (& ciscos) ION/VOIP announcements Cc: George Michaelson , rem-conf@es.net, mbone@ISI.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list On Jun 8, 9:33am, Alagu Periyannan wrote: > Subject: Re: Sprint & Lucent (& ciscos) ION/VOIP announcements > At 9:25 AM +1000 6/3/98, George Michaelson wrote: > >Marginally off-topic, but I think this stuff is good for rem-conf aware > >people. Its indicative that 'ip uber alles' is really coming true and > >that delivery of telephony standard services over IP is taken seriously > >by the decision makers. > > > > Actually, I was quite confused by the press release. > It was not clear whether the integrated network was going > to use IP or ATM. There was certainly more mentioned about > ATM and it's ability deliver quality voice communication > than IP. I believe it's to be delivered over ATM with Cisco providing the technology to interface to legacy IP networks. Problem is the everpresent local loop where ISDN has, for the most part, been a non-solve-it-all technology while the newer DSL technologies and tariffs provide confusion instead of solution. There's too many issues related to providing a one stop technology for the local loop to discuss in this forum. The ION announcement had a lot of corporate hype framed with some corporate propaganda. I still like the 1-800-pin-drop garbage when in fact the last leg of most American households (OK, all) occur over that noisy copper environment with bridge-tap, moisture, corrosion, varmints sharpening teeth (no, not lawyers, actual critters), etc. OK Sprint. Show me. > > Did anyone else read it this way? > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > Alagu Periyannan alagu@apple.com > > Interactive Multimedia Group > Apple Computer, Inc. > >-- End of excerpt from Alagu Periyannan -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ken Vescovi Principal Network Engineer Concurrent Technologies Corporation 1450 Scalp Ave Johnstown, PA 15904 ph 814.269.2687 PGP Public Key : ftp.ctc.com/pub/PGP-keys/vescovi.asc +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From rem-conf Mon Jun 08 15:28:04 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun 08 15:28:04 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yjA97-00046h-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:12:05 -0700 Received: from summit.rainier.com (summit.minneapolis.rainiertechnology.com) [207.50.110.9] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yjA96-00046G-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:12:04 -0700 Received: by SUMMIT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:10:26 -0500 Message-ID: <2DCE917366E4D1119C9D00805F85C82A028E04@SUMMIT> From: "Mattakat, Kevin" To: rem-conf@es.net, mbone@ISI.EDU Subject: lists Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:10:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Sorry for the wasted bandwidth, but I have been trying to get off of these lists and nothing seems to be working. When I send an "unsubscribe " I get a response that I am not a member, however I keep receiving posts. Any help? Kevin J. Mattakat Senior Network Engineer Rainier Technology 1660 S. Hwy 100, Suite 228 Minneapolis, MN 55416 Main: 612.595.8895 Vmail: 612.542.5543 Fax: 612.593.7069 From rem-conf Mon Jun 08 19:32:28 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun 08 19:32:27 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yjDpn-0006TT-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:08:23 -0700 Received: from (forest.icast.com) [209.1.118.2] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yjDpm-0006TJ-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:08:22 -0700 Received: (from mail@localhost) by forest.icast.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA12001; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:08:17 -0700 Received: from apache.icast.com(192.168.20.10) by forest.icast.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011996; Mon, 8 Jun 98 19:07:57 -0700 Received: from icast.com (geronimo.internal.icast.com [192.168.20.151]) by apache.internal.icast.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA12010; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <357C98FB.E7D863B4@icast.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 19:07:56 -0700 From: Peter Tebault Organization: ICAST Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mattakat, Kevin" CC: rem-conf@es.net, mbone@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: lists References: <2DCE917366E4D1119C9D00805F85C82A028E04@SUMMIT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Send your requests to rem-conf-request@es.net, and mbone-na-request@isi.edu.... note the -na... -Pete- Mattakat, Kevin wrote: > Sorry for the wasted bandwidth, but I have been trying to get off of these > lists and nothing seems to be working. When I send an "unsubscribe " > I get a response that I am not a member, however I keep receiving posts. > From rem-conf Tue Jun 09 04:59:56 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jun 09 04:59:55 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yjMxm-0003EJ-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:53:14 -0700 Received: from sasi.com (samar.sasi.com) [164.164.56.2] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yjMxb-0003Ca-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:53:08 -0700 Received: from lnxc38.sasi.com (lnxc38.sasi.com [10.0.32.38]) by samar.sasi.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA01802 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:25:13 +0530 Received: from lnxc38.sasi.com (anoop@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lnxc38.sasi.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00939 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:28:00 +0530 Message-Id: <199806091158.RAA00939@lnxc38.sasi.com> To: rem-conf@es.net Reply-To: anoop@sasi.com Subject: Problems with SIP. Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 17:28:00 +0530 From: Anoop Kulkarni X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hi, I downloaded the SIP based application, sdr-2.4, and tried to establish a call to myself on the local machine. My IP address is 10.0.32.38 (my platform is sun solaris). My audio tool is vat. When I invoked sdr and used "invite" to invite myself, things were fine as explained below. sip_send_udp to 10.0.32.38 sip_send_udp to 10.0.32.38 (10.0.32.38) sip send sip_send_udp to 10.0.32.38 sip_send_udp to 10.0.32.38 (10.0.32.38) sip send rtype: 1 sip_send_udp to 10.0.32.38 sip_send_udp to 10.0.32.38 (10.0.32.38) sip send sip_send_udp to 10.0.32.38 sip_send_udp to 10.0.32.38 (10.0.32.38) sip send rtype: 1 sip_send_udp to 10.0.32.38 sip_send_udp to 10.0.32.38 (10.0.32.38) sip send sip_send_udp to 10.0.32.38 sip_send_udp to 10.0.32.38 (10.0.32.38) sip send rtype: 1 sip_send_udp to 10.0.32.38 sip_send_udp to 10.0.32.38 (10.0.32.38) sip send rtype: 2 Once I accepted the invitation, and invoked "join" from the menu, I got this: vat: bad command line switch vat: bad command line switch vat: bad command line switch Whereas if I try to invoke vat from command prompt, it works. Can anyone tell me if and what am doing wrong? Thanks for your response. Best regards, anoop -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Home : Anoop Kulkarni, PhD | Office: Anoop Kulkarni, Flat A2, Pioneer | Silicon Automation Systems (I) Pvt Ltd. Residency, HAL III | 3008, 12th 'B' Main, 8th Cross, Stage, Bangalore 75 | HAL II Stage, Bangalore 560008, INDIA Phone: +091-080-528 5749 | Fax : +091-080-528 4396 Email: anoop@sasi.com | Phone : +091-080-528 1461 ext 4001 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf Tue Jun 09 06:06:46 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jun 09 06:06:45 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yjO2S-0004Y5-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:02:08 -0700 Received: from pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de [134.155.48.125] (-2146555104) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yjO2Q-0004Xv-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:02:06 -0700 Received: from solon.informatik.uni-mannheim.de (root@solon [134.155.48.102]) by pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09679; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:01:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de (geyer@localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by solon.informatik.uni-mannheim.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA11652; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:01:37 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: geyer@pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de Message-ID: <357D3230.D5109956@pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 15:01:36 +0200 From: Werner Geyer Organization: University of Mannheim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net, mbone@ISI.EDU Subject: digital lecture board (alpha release) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hi, we are implementing a new whiteboard called digital lecture board. The tool is being developed in the context of distance learning in the TeleTeaching projects of the University of Mannheim. A prototype alpha version (1.6a5) is now available for SUN, SGI and Linux platforms on our Web-Server: http://www.informatik.uni-mannheim.de/~geyer/dlb/dlb.eng.html The package includes a brief installation guide and help pages. We would appreciate very much your comments and bug reports on this piece of software. Since this is a prototype version, not all envisgages features are implemented. The current version also does not support the scaling of images. This issue will be covered by the next version. Thank you very much for your help in improving this software. Best regards, Werner ______________________________________________________________ Werner Geyer, University of Mannheim, Praktische Informatik IV Tel +49-621-292-1526 ,Fax +49-621-292-5745 EMail: geyer@pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de http://www.informatik.uni-mannheim.de/~geyer/ From rem-conf Tue Jun 09 14:57:04 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jun 09 14:57:03 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yjWFC-000272-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:47:50 -0700 Received: from cs.gmu.edu [129.174.87.2] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yjWFA-00026q-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:47:48 -0700 Received: from soong (soong [129.174.87.53]) by cs.gmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA21620; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:47:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert P. Simon" Received: by soong (SMI-8.6) id RAA03343; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:36:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:36:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199806092136.RAA03343@soong> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: CNDS '99 CfP Cc: simon@cs.gmu.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list --> We apologize if you receive multiple copies of this. <-- ======================================================================= ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS The Society for Computer Simulation International (SCS) presents: COMMUNICATION NETWORKS AND DISTRIBUTED SYSTEMS MODELING AND SIMULATION CONFERENCE January 17-20, 1999 Cathedral Hill Hotel San Francisco, California Part of the 1999 SCS Western Multiconference on Computer Simulation The purpose of this conference is to serve as a forum for the exchange of ideas, among researchers from around the world, about the design and performance of computer systems, network architectures, and communications protocols in parallel and distributed environments. 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Phone: +1(703)993-1556 FAX: +1(703)993-1710 E_Mail: simon@cs.gmu.edu From rem-conf Wed Jun 10 21:50:27 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun 10 21:50:27 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yjz3H-00016j-00; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:33:27 -0700 Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yjz3D-00016Z-00; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:33:24 -0700 Received: from sleet.dstc.edu.au (sleet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.45]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA09583; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:33:16 +1000 (EST) Received: (from ggm@localhost) by sleet.dstc.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA04848; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:33:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:33:14 +1000 (EST) From: George Michaelson Message-Id: <199806110433.OAA04848@sleet.dstc.edu.au> To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: using multicast to do (non-multicast) server detection/failover Cc: arnold@dstc.edu.au, bill@dstc.edu.au X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Bill and Arnold (cc'd on the mail) are researching Elvin (see http://www.dstc.edu.au/Elvin) which is a publish/subscribe model of event notification. They are interested in the concept of using multicast as a announcement and recovery method, where all {servers, clients, lobsters} listen on multicast and make announcements, so that when the unicast service breaks down there is a) a source of *anycast* "where do I go" to use b) there is probably a history of alternates and failovers in every clients immediate cache Ok, so you can get into a discussion about why event notification itself might want to be multicast, but if we can pass on that, can anybody from the appropriate areas comment on existing code/models of how servers might use this? It seems to me that some aspects of session announcement are in this domain, as might be the weighted voting of M-OSPF routers, router discovery, slp etc etc.. Another good way multicast can be used as 'glue' for other functions? cheers -George (which list is the right one? mmusic? -George) From rem-conf Wed Jun 10 23:00:38 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun 10 23:00:37 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yk0KL-0002AI-00; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:55:09 -0700 Received: from huginn.cs.berkeley.edu [128.32.35.5] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yk0KK-0002A8-00; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:55:08 -0700 Received: from mop.cs.berkeley.edu (marin.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.39.190]) by huginn.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.3/8.7.0.Beta0) with SMTP id WAA25425; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980610225612.007c5350@pop.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: mccanne@pop.cs.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:56:12 -0700 To: George Michaelson From: Steven McCanne Subject: Re: using multicast to do (non-multicast) server detection/failover Cc: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net In-Reply-To: <199806110433.OAA04848@sleet.dstc.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Elan Amir designed and built a system based on similar principles. His "active services" achitecture is not only highly-available and fault tolerant (due to the publish/subscribe model mentioned below), but it's also extensible (through an active network-like mechanism). See his SIGCOMM-98 paper or dissertation (available >from http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~elan/pubs). Steve At 02:33 PM 6/11/98 +1000, you wrote: > >Bill and Arnold (cc'd on the mail) are researching Elvin >(see http://www.dstc.edu.au/Elvin) which is a publish/subscribe model >of event notification. > >They are interested in the concept of using multicast as a announcement >and recovery method, where all {servers, clients, lobsters} listen on >multicast and make announcements, so that when the unicast service breaks >down there is > > a) a source of *anycast* "where do I go" to use > > b) there is probably a history of alternates and failovers > in every clients immediate cache > >Ok, so you can get into a discussion about why event notification itself >might want to be multicast, but if we can pass on that, can anybody from >the appropriate areas comment on existing code/models of how servers might >use this? > >It seems to me that some aspects of session announcement are in this domain, >as might be the weighted voting of M-OSPF routers, router discovery, slp etc >etc.. > >Another good way multicast can be used as 'glue' for other functions? > >cheers > -George > >(which list is the right one? mmusic? -George) > > > From rem-conf Thu Jun 11 01:25:03 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jun 11 01:25:01 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yk2bb-0003oE-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:21:07 -0700 Received: from concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yk2bZ-0003o4-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:21:05 -0700 Received: from maillol.inria.fr (maillol.inria.fr [128.93.25.14]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA07428; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:20:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from liao@localhost) by maillol.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id JAA27005; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:58:24 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:58:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199806110758.JAA27005@maillol.inria.fr> From: Tie Liao To: ggm@dstc.edu.au CC: rem-conf@es.net, arnold@dstc.edu.au, bill@dstc.edu.au In-reply-to: <199806110433.OAA04848@sleet.dstc.edu.au> (message from George Michaelson on Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:33:14 +1000 (EST)) Subject: Re: using multicast to do (non-multicast) server detection/failover Reply-to: Tie.Liao@inria.fr X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hi, We are doing similar research on this subject. Our system is based on multicast publish/subscribe model, including announcement. Unicast can be used for relay for where multicast is not available. We have also implemented a prototype. More info can be found at http://webcanal.inria.fr/. Tie > Bill and Arnold (cc'd on the mail) are researching Elvin > (see http://www.dstc.edu.au/Elvin) which is a publish/subscribe model > of event notification. > > They are interested in the concept of using multicast as a announcement > and recovery method, where all {servers, clients, lobsters} listen on > multicast and make announcements, so that when the unicast service breaks > down there is > > a) a source of *anycast* "where do I go" to use > > b) there is probably a history of alternates and failovers > in every clients immediate cache > > Ok, so you can get into a discussion about why event notification itself > might want to be multicast, but if we can pass on that, can anybody from > the appropriate areas comment on existing code/models of how servers might > use this? > > It seems to me that some aspects of session announcement are in this domain, > as might be the weighted voting of M-OSPF routers, router discovery, slp etc > etc.. > > Another good way multicast can be used as 'glue' for other functions? From rem-conf Thu Jun 11 04:46:17 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jun 11 04:46:16 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yk5gA-0005Qy-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 04:38:02 -0700 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.5.31] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yk5g8-0005Qo-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 04:38:00 -0700 Received: from waffle.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:36:16 +0100 To: Tie.Liao@inria.fr cc: ggm@dstc.edu.au, rem-conf@es.net, arnold@dstc.edu.au, bill@dstc.edu.au Subject: Re: using multicast to do (non-multicast) server detection/failover In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:58:24 +0200." <199806110758.JAA27005@maillol.inria.fr> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:36:13 +0100 Message-ID: <1312.897564973@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Jon Crowcroft X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list this is all very relevant of course to the IRTF RM group, which is meeting soon........ In message <199806110758.JAA27005@maillol.inria.fr>, Tie Liao typed: >>Hi, >> >>We are doing similar research on this subject. Our system is based >>on multicast publish/subscribe model, including announcement. Unicast >>can be used for relay for where multicast is not available. We have >>also implemented a prototype. More info can be found at >>http://webcanal.inria.fr/. >> >>Tie >> >>> Bill and Arnold (cc'd on the mail) are researching Elvin >>> (see http://www.dstc.edu.au/Elvin) which is a publish/subscribe model >>> of event notification. >>> >>> They are interested in the concept of using multicast as a announcement >>> and recovery method, where all {servers, clients, lobsters} listen on >>> multicast and make announcements, so that when the unicast service breaks >>> down there is >>> >>> a) a source of *anycast* "where do I go" to use >>> >>> b) there is probably a history of alternates and failovers >>> in every clients immediate cache >>> >>> Ok, so you can get into a discussion about why event notification itself >>> might want to be multicast, but if we can pass on that, can anybody from >>> the appropriate areas comment on existing code/models of how servers might >>> use this? >>> >>> It seems to me that some aspects of session announcement are in this domain, >>> as might be the weighted voting of M-OSPF routers, router discovery, slp etc >>> etc.. >>> >>> Another good way multicast can be used as 'glue' for other functions? >> cheers jon From rem-conf Thu Jun 11 16:22:28 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jun 11 16:22:27 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ykGXd-0004AI-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:13:57 -0700 Received: from mickey.ee.pdx.edu [131.252.208.42] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ykGXc-0004A7-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:13:56 -0700 Received: from chip.ee.pdx.edu (videoc@chip.ee.pdx.edu [131.252.221.94]) by mickey.ee.pdx.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16300; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Video Compression Workshop Received: (from videoc@localhost) by chip.ee.pdx.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA29259; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806112303.QAA29259@chip.ee.pdx.edu> To: videoc@ee.pdx.edu Subject: Video Compression Course in Portland: 7/13-17/98 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list WWW: http://www.ee.pdx.edu/short_courses/image_compression/ July 13 - 17, 1998, Portland, Oregon - A 4 and 1/2 Day Intensive Course on Image and Video Compression: Fundamentals, Standards and Applications Portland State University, EE, Portland, OR 97207-0751, USA Phone:(503) 725-3806 Fax:(503) 725-3807 E-mail: eed@ee.pdx.edu Presented by: Majid Rabbani M. Ibrahim Sezan Thomas Gardos Eastman Kodak Sharp Labs. of America Intel Corporation ************************ Course Outline ************************ Introduction Emerging Technologies Image and video compression international standards The JPEG international Standard Fundamentals of Video Compression Video Compression Standards ************************************************************************ WWW: http://www.ee.pdx.edu/short_courses/image_compression/ July 13 - 17, 1998, Portland, Oregon - A 4 and 1/2 Day Intensive Course on Image and Video Compression: Fundamentals, Standards and Applications From rem-conf Fri Jun 12 13:46:06 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jun 12 13:46:05 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ykaQB-0005lJ-00; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:27:35 -0700 Received: from (forest.icast.com) [209.1.118.2] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ykaQ9-0005l8-00; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:27:34 -0700 Received: (from mail@localhost) by forest.icast.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17199; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:27:33 -0700 Received: from apache.icast.com(192.168.20.10) by forest.icast.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017197; Fri, 12 Jun 98 13:27:25 -0700 Received: from shazamm.internal.icast.com ([192.168.20.196]) by apache.internal.icast.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA18483; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35818D4A.4823@icast.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:19:22 -0700 From: Vinay Kumar Reply-To: vinay@icast.com Organization: ICAST Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net, mbone@isi.edu CC: mboned@network-services.uoregon.edu, confctrl@isi.edu Subject: new beta release: bugs fixed: icast c:tv 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list [apologize for duplicates] latest new builds are available from http://www.icast.com/evalform.html here are the CHANGES in the 3.0 release: - better, more consistent UI for Viewer & Guide. now there are three seamless Guides: Live, Relay, and Recorder Guides. - bugs fixed with un-closed streams from the Recorder, Relay and Meter on doing a close. - few bug fix's with the h.263 decoder dll. - more detailed MS-Help support. CHANGES in 2.2.1 release: - support for FORE's AVA streamsRunner MJPEG codec in Viewer & Guide. - more robust h.263 encoder in the Broadcaster. thanks to everyone for submitting bug-reports, and suggestions to: support@icast.com. happiness. --- vinay http://www.icast.com/evalform.html From rem-conf Sat Jun 13 21:41:09 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 13 21:41:08 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yl4HI-0002Xv-00; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:20:24 -0700 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.5.31] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yl4HH-0002Xl-00; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:20:23 -0700 Received: from cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 05:20:19 +0100 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: mbone 'cast of HIPPARCH '98 Workshop Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 05:20:18 +0100 Message-ID: <16651.897798018@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Jon Crowcroft X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list shoty notice, i am afraid, and we will pull it if there are howls of derision. Mbone cast of HIPPARCH workshop is advertised in sdr... 9am-6pm WET, Mon 15 and Tue 16 June, 1998. http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/jon/hipparch/program.html jon p.s. WET describes the time and weather From rem-conf Sun Jun 14 15:04:35 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Jun 14 15:04:33 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ylKgt-0003oB-00; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:51:55 -0700 Received: from duval.se.mediaone.net (mrout1.se.mediaone.net) [24.129.0.67] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ylKgr-0003o0-00; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:51:53 -0700 Received: from mediaone.net (surf121.pompano.net [24.129.28.121]) by mrout1.se.mediaone.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA22380; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:51:43 -0400 (EDT) From: express1@mediaone.net Message-Id: <199806142151.RAA22380@mrout1.se.mediaone.net> To: express1@mediaone.net Subject: Export Financing For US Products X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Attention: US Exporters We are please to announce an exciting International financing program that increases international sales. 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Our main concern is the the proper reception of the sessions as shown on the Session Directory and that the sessions reach the european continent. We have had previous problems, as reported in other lists (mbone@isi.edu). Therefore we are asking to send reception reports to any of the addresses below: mbone@canaa.usma.ac.pa rbarnes@senacyt.gob.pa The sessions are called 'Spain-Panama Collaboration Channel #' with # = 1,2. The Workshop is sponsored by the Panama's National Bureau of Science, Technology and Innovation and the Spanish International Cooperation Agency, and is part of a Distance collaboration project between Spain and Panama. Thanks for your kind attention Azael Barrera MulticastLab USMA-Panama mbone@canaa.usma.ac.pa From rem-conf Tue Jun 16 17:08:30 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jun 16 17:08:29 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ym5dZ-0003jx-00; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:59:37 -0700 Received: from web1.individual.com [206.32.219.10] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ym5dX-0003jn-00; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:59:36 -0700 Received: from suthlap (slip-32-100-236-154.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.236.154]) by web1.individual.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA09861; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:47:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeff Sutherland" To: "OBJ-TECH Mailing List" Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , "'modern-heuristics@uk.ac.mailbase'" , , , , , , , , , Subject: OOPSLA'98 Business Object Workshop: Call for Participation Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:45:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bd9967$a1f04040$7a67fea9@suthlap.idx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3556E637.D45B302B@cs.tcd.ie> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by web1.individual.com id TAA09861 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Call for Position Papers OOPSLA'98 Workshop Business Object Design and Implementation IV: From Business Objects to Complex Adaptive Systems Sunday, 18 October 1998, Vancouver, Canada http://www.jeffsutherland.org/oopsla98/ Synopsis The NCITS Accredited Standards Committee H7 Object Information Management and the Object Management Group Business Object Domain Task Force (BODTF= ) jointly sponsor the Workshop on Business Object Design and Implementation for the purpose of improving approaches to business object design and implementation through use of patterns, interoperable components, object-oriented workflow, and Internet strategies for distributed enterpr= ise systems. Of particular interest are heterogeneous distributed workflow systems for operation of enterprises over intranets and extranets. These systems will need to provide business object solutions for mobile agents, process engines, and systems that exhibit emergent behavior. Interactive, autonomous, business object components may be intelligent agents roaming = the net to perform complex tasks. Workflows in these systems must be managed = in a different manner than systems being standardized by the Workflow Coalit= ion or the Object Management Group. They will exhibit complex behaviors, catastrophic events, and chaotic interactions. Such phenomena have been studied under the umbrella of "complex adaptive systems (cas)" and are un= der intensive research for use in predictive economic simulations, the buildi= ng of artificial life, computer models that can independently adapt and evol= ve, and "avatars" that can personally represent the creator in Internet transactions. It would be useful to adapt the concepts in cas research to the developme= nt of enterprise business object component systems. For example, Holland [Holl95], creates a synthesis of seven basic cas concepts that can be applied to business object systems. Odell has directly related cas to building distributed object systems [Odel98]. These ideas can help organi= ze our discussion of business object systems. Goals of Business Object Workshop IV =B7 Enhance the pattern literature on the specification, design, and implementation of interoperable, plug and play, distributed Business Obje= ct components. Specify how patterns can be reused and how they can be useful= to end users. =B7 Clarify the design and implementation of object-oriented systems, particularly systems in which workflow patterns and the REA accounting mo= del are basic building blocks for production business systems. These systems must deal with the impedance mismatch between application transactions (units of work) and Transaction Monitor (TP) transactions in large system= s. =B7 Contribute to emerging architectures for Intranet/Internet/Extranet applications, particularly those applications that integrate business objects, web servers, object and relational databases, and new approaches= to client delivery of content. Strategies for implementation of real time, event driven systems with generative process planning, automated routing, and dynamically changing roles of resources are of interest. =B7 Pursue issues developed in last years workshop stimulated by papers o= n heterogeneous distributed workflow systems. Specify business object solutions to mobile agents, learning systems, process engines, and system= s that exhibit emergent behavior. Cross-fertilize business object design concepts with experience from the field of complex adaptive systems. Addr= ess hierarchies of workflows, peer to peer workflows, workflow between organizations, separation of workflow from application business logic, generic workflow execution patterns that are part of every business proce= ss object, workflow concepts that can be seamlessly interwoven into all applications. =B7 Provide explicit experience reports on business object systems develo= ped and in production, with emphasis on implementation of domain object model= s that are subject to dynamic change. Contact: Jeff Sutherland mailto:jeff.sutherland@computer.org http://www.jeffsutherland.org/ From rem-conf Tue Jun 16 17:47:40 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Jun 16 17:47:40 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ym6LV-0004ws-00; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:45:01 -0700 Received: from george-2.lbl.gov (george.lbl.gov) [131.243.2.12] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ym6LU-0004wg-00; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:45:00 -0700 Received: (from mperry@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.8.8/LBL-ITG) id RAA03488; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:44:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcia Perry (ITG staff) Message-Id: <199806170044.RAA03488@george.lbl.gov> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Confcntlr: freeBSD version Cc: deba@george.lbl.gov X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hi everyone, We in the Imaging and Distributed Computing Group of Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, as part of the Spectro- Microscopy Collaboratory project, have released confcntlr some time ago. Confcntlr is an mbone tool that allows local and remote control of the video and audio tools, vic and vat. We've just ported confcntlr to freeBSD (on an i386 architecture) and have placed this new version on our website: http://www-itg.lbl.gov/mbone/confcntlr Thanks, Marcia Perry (mperry@george.lbl.gov) Deb Agarwal (DAAgarwal@lbl.gov) MS50B-2239 phone: (510) 486-7078 Lawrence Berkeley National Lab Berkeley, CA 94720 From rem-conf Wed Jun 17 01:14:24 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun 17 01:14:23 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymDDc-0001dk-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:05:20 -0700 Received: from dns.omnilink.net [194.64.25.17] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymDDb-0001dW-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:05:19 -0700 Received: from ltt.de ([194.64.29.218]) by dns.omnilink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24797; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:58:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35878706.36F5CB11@ltt.de> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:06:15 +0000 From: Roberto Zicari Reply-To: zicari@ltt.de Organization: Logon Technology Transfer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OBJ-TECH Mailing List , commsoft@cc.bellcore.com, odp@dstc.edu.au, enternet@BBN.COM, JavaCORBA@luke.org, ISWORLD@Danann.hea.ie, comsoc-chapters@IEEE.ORG, comsoc-gicb@IEEE.ORG, comsoc.tac@tab.ieee.org, ctc-members@redbank.tinac.com, fokus-user@fokus.gmd.de, hipparch@sophia.inria.fr, isadsoc@fokus.gmd.de, itc@fokus.gmd.de, "'modern-heuristics@uk.ac.mailbase'" , multicomm@cc.bellcore.com, osimcast@BBN.COM, rem-conf@es.net, reres@laas.fr, sc6wg4@ntd.comsat.com, sigmedia@bellcore.com, xtp-relay@cs.concordia.ca Subject: 5th OMG OO Application Awards -- call for entries. References: <000501bd9967$a1f04040$7a67fea9@suthlap.idx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dear Colleague, I'd like to inform you of the possibility to submit innovative OO applications to the 5th OMG Object Application Awards. Deadline is August 20, 1998. The Awards Ceremony is on September 29, 1998 in Frankfurt/Main Germany. The entry kit can be downloaded at http://www.comdex.de/ooawards/index.html Please post this call as you see proper. Regards Roberto Zicari OMG Central and Northern Europe. From rem-conf Wed Jun 17 05:57:59 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun 17 05:57:58 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymHaG-0005lG-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 05:45:00 -0700 Received: from cs.columbia.edu [128.59.16.20] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymHaF-0005l3-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 05:44:59 -0700 Received: from erlang.cs.columbia.edu (erlang.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.19.141]) by cs.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA07898 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.columbia.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by erlang.cs.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA21312 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Sender: hgs@cs.columbia.edu Message-ID: <3587BA49.EA8B164B@cs.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:44:57 -0400 From: Henning Schulzrinne Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: New RTP library Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Since this is of semi-commercial nature, only a brief pointer: a new RTP library is available through Elemedia. See http://www.elemedia.com/ for the details. From rem-conf Wed Jun 17 10:45:54 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun 17 10:45:54 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymMDs-0003jv-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:42:12 -0700 Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymMDq-0003jk-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:42:10 -0700 Received: from zubin.dnrc.bell-labs.com ([135.180.130.56]) by dirty; Wed Jun 17 13:40:57 EDT 1998 Received: from dnrc.bell-labs.com (arrakis [135.180.130.41]) by zubin.dnrc.bell-labs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17300 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3587FF20.E17506DE@dnrc.bell-labs.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:38:40 -0400 From: Jonathan Rosenberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: RTP User Multiplexing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list I have just read the draft by Hoshi et al. on an alternate proposal for user multiplexing in RTP. I had a few questions/comments on this draft: 1. My assumption is that an aggregate packet is formed by appending N RTP packets together, so that the packet would be of the form: header for user 1 payload for user 1 header for user 2 payload for user 2 ... If this is not correct, please clarify. 2. As there are no length indicators in your packet, I'm assuming that lengths are signaled out of band. However, this makes it impossible for a sender to adjust the packetization interval midstream, which is probably really neccesary for any kind of smart multiplexing. 3. The fact that multiplexing is being used is also not indicated in the packet; I assume its indicated out of band. This is also makes it nearly impossible to switch from multiplexed to non-multiplexed operation mid stream. What you are proposing is a new payload format, and it should have its own pt number. Thanks, Jonathan R. -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg Lucent Technologies Member of Technical Staff 101 Crawfords Corner Rd. High Speed Networks Research Holmdel, NJ 07733 FAX: (732) 834-5379 Rm. 4C-526 EMAIL: jdrosen@bell-labs.com URL: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen From rem-conf Wed Jun 17 10:47:57 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun 17 10:47:57 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymMHj-0003oC-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:46:11 -0700 Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymMHh-0003nt-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:46:09 -0700 Received: from boole.dnrc.bell-labs.com ([135.180.161.25]) by dirty; Wed Jun 17 13:44:45 EDT 1998 Received: from samburu.dnrc.bell-labs.com (samburu.dnrc.bell-labs.com [135.180.161.235]) by boole.dnrc.bell-labs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03985; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:44:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Malathi Veeraraghavan Received: (from mv@localhost) by samburu.dnrc.bell-labs.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA04571; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806171744.NAA04571@samburu.dnrc.bell-labs.com> To: comsoc-gicb@ieee.org, sb.all@ieee.org, comsoc-chapters@ieee.org, itc@fokus.gmd.de, ietf@CNRI.Reston.US, rem-conf@es.net, mobile-ip@tadpole.com, sc6wg4@ntd.comsat.com, cabernet-general@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: Infocom call for papers - submission deadline extended to July 15, 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: Vq468K5F1z666UBsKxNMwg== X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list ********* PLEASE NOTE THAT THE PAPER SUBMISSION DEADLINE HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO JULY 15, 1998 ****************** -------------------------------------------------------------------------- IEEE INFOCOM'99 The Conference on Computer Communications The Future is Now March 21, 1999 - March 25, 1999 Sheraton New York Hotel and Towers New York, NY 18th Annual Joint Conference of the IEEE Computer and Communication Societies Sponsored by the Computer Communications Technical Committees of the Societies. 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The topics under the purview of the conference include: - wireless systems (access, routing/multicasting, mobility management, resource allocation/provisioning, energy issues, smart antennas, architectures, reconfiguration, etc.) - switching systems (IP switch/routers, ATM, hardware design, performance/modeling, etc.) - high-speed networks (LANs, WANs, optical networks, etc.) - traffic management (admission control, shaping, scheduling, congestion control, pricing, etc.) - network management (intelligent network, active networks, etc.) - traffic modeling (long range dependence, etc.) - multimedia (effective bandwidth, quality-of-service, etc.) - architectures (internet applications, satellite systems, PCS, etc.) SCHEDULE AND IMPORTANT DATES Full Paper Due: July 15, 1998 Notification of Acceptance: November 8, 1998 Camera Ready Version of Accepted Paper Due: January 11, 1999 Conference Dates: March 23-25, 1999 Tutorials: March 21-22, 1999 SUBMISSION INSTRUCTIONS Papers should be submitted electronically according to the instructions at http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~hgs/infocom99. Questions regarding electronic submissions should be addressed to Prof. Henning Schulzrinne (Electronic Submission Coordinator) at schulzrinne@cs.columbia.edu. Papers are limited to 25 pages (11 pt. type and double space) including illustrations and references. Those who need additional information may contact either one of the two technical program co-chairs listed below. Authors who do not have access to the World-Wide-Web, should send six copies of their papers to one of the technical program co-chairs. TECHNICAL PROGRAM CO-CHAIRS Professor Anthony Ephremides Professor Satish K. Tripathi Electrical Engineering Department Bourns College of Engineering University of Maryland University of California College Park, MD 20742 Riverside, CA 92521 (301)405-3641 (Telephone) (909)787-6374 (Telephone) (301)314-9281 (FAX) (909)787-3188 (FAX) e-mail: tony@@eng.umd.edu e-mail: tripathi@engr.ucr.edu STUDENT GRANTS Travel assistance to student authors may be available. For details consult the INFOCOM '99 web site. WORLD WIDE WEB SITE Information on INFOCOM '99 is available at http://www.comsoc.org/confs/infocom/99 http://www.comm.utoronto.ca/~infocom99/ INFOCOM '99 EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE General Chair: Bharat Doshi, Lucent Technologies,USA. Vice General Co-Chairs: Guy Omidyar, Illinois Institute of Technology, USA. Catherine Rosenberg, Nortel, UK. Technical Co-Chairs: Anthony Ephremides, University of Maryland, USA. Satish Tripathi, University of California, Riverside, USA. Publicity Co-Chairs: Irene Katzela, University of Toronto, Canada. Malathi Veeraraghavan, Lucent Technologies, USA. Publications Chair: Ness Shroff, Purdue University, USA Tutorial Co-Chairs: Anwar Elwalid, Lucent Technologies, USA. Ramesh Nagarajan, Lucent Technologies, USA. Panel Co-Chairs: Ted Eckberg, AT&T Labs, USA. Marwan Krunz, University of Arizona, Tuscon, USA. Local Arrangements Co-Chairs: Ibrahim Habib, City College of New York, USA. Andrea F. Lobo, Rowan University, USA. Financial Co-Chairs: Jennifer Rexford, AT&T Labs, USA. Behrokh Samadi, Lucent Technologies, USA. Internet Co-Chairs: Anindo Banerjea, University of Toronto, Canada. Abhijit Choudhury, Lucent Technologies, USA. Mooi Choo Chuah , Lucent Technologies, USA. Yannis Korilis, Lucent Technologies, USA. International (Asia - Pacific) Chair: Seung-Woo Seo, Seoul National University, Korea. INFOCOM Standing Committee Chair: Harvey Freeman, HAF Consulting Inc., USA. ========================================================================= Malathi Veeraraghavan Phone: +1-732-949-8334 Bell Labs., Lucent Technologies Fax: +1-732-949-9118 Room 4F-509, 101 Crawfords Corner Road Email: mv@bell-labs.com Holmdel, NJ 07733, USA ========================================================================= From rem-conf Thu Jun 18 09:31:38 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jun 18 09:31:37 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymhRB-0006LE-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:21:21 -0700 Received: from thumper.bellcore.com [128.96.41.1] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymhR8-0006J1-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:21:20 -0700 Received: from seawind.bellcore.com (seawind.bellcore.com [192.4.18.101]) by thumper.bellcore.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07966; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from huitema@localhost) by seawind.bellcore.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15489; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:20:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Huitema Message-Id: <980618122005.ZM15487@seawind.bellcore.com> In-Reply-To: Henning Schulzrinne "New RTP library" (Jun 17, 8:44am) References: <3587BA49.EA8B164B@cs.columbia.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: Henning Schulzrinne , rem-conf@es.net Subject: New payload document: GSM need fixes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list I was perusing the audio/video payload draft (draft-ietf-avt-profile-new-02.txt) when I noticed a couple of problems with the GSM payload definition. Specifically: 1) There is no mention of the GSM "Half Rate" and "Enhanced Half Rate" capabilities. 2) Section 4.5.10.2 ends in mid sentence, after "in the RTP encoding we have:" Is there any attempt to fix these two points? The Half Rate and Enhanced Half Rate situation are characteristic of a problem encountered in SDP when using "not quite standard" payload types. We need, at a minimum, a way to refer unambiguously to these encodings. We may or may not want to reserve an actual payload type for new encodings, but we should definitely have a way to give them a "standard name." -- Christian Huitema ---------- See you at INET'98, Geneva 21-24,July 98 http://www.isoc.org/inet98/ From rem-conf Thu Jun 18 10:40:38 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jun 18 10:40:36 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymicM-0000yf-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:36:58 -0700 Received: from smtpott2.nortel.ca (smtpott2) [192.58.194.80] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymicK-0000yR-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:36:56 -0700 Received: from zrchh190 by smtpott2; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:36:29 -0400 Received: from nmpks0.mpk.nt.com (actually nmpks0.us.nortel.com) by zrchh190; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:35:43 -0500 Received: from zmpkss02.mtvyp by nmpks0.mpk.nt.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16105; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:26:30 -0700 Received: from nmpks418.mtvyp by zmpkss02.mtvyp (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA02018; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:25:36 -0700 Received: by nmpks418.mtvyp (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA10000; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:23:42 -0700 From: "Sejal Kamani" Message-Id: <199806181723.KAA10000@nmpks418.mtvyp> Subject: RTP/RTCP QoS To: rem-conf@es.net Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Cc: "Francois Audet" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list The RTP/RTCP SR and RR are designed to determine QoS parameters for a live RTP connection. Does RTP/RTCP define packets that can be sent to probe the network to determine QoS statistics a priori to call setup ? Mainly interested in packet loss and packet latency parameters. Almost an enhanced version of ping... maybe RTP ping ? Is there any work being done in this area ? Thanks, Sejal K From rem-conf Fri Jun 19 00:04:26 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jun 19 00:04:25 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymuvE-0007mR-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:45:16 -0700 Received: from mailhub.fokus.gmd.de [193.175.134.209] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymuvC-0007li-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:45:15 -0700 Received: from donald.fokus.gmd.de (donald-a [193.175.134.118]) by mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01394; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:45:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from fokus.gmd.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by donald.fokus.gmd.de (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA00607; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:45:00 +0200 Message-Id: <199806190645.IAA00607@donald.fokus.gmd.de > X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: "Sejal Kamani" cc: rem-conf@es.net, "Francois Audet" Subject: Re: RTP/RTCP QoS In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:23:42 PDT." <199806181723.KAA10000@nmpks418.mtvyp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed ; boundary="===_0_Fri_Jun_19_08:44:25_MET_DST_1998" Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:44:59 +0200 From: Dorgham Sisalem X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list This is a multipart MIME message. --===_0_Fri_Jun_19_08:44:25_MET_DST_1998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > The RTP/RTCP SR and RR are designed to determine QoS parameters > for a live RTP connection. Does RTP/RTCP define packets that can > be sent to probe the network to determine QoS statistics a priori > to call setup ? Mainly interested in packet loss and packet > latency parameters. Almost an enhanced version of ping... maybe > RTP ping ? > > Is there any work being done in this area ? > > Thanks, > Sejal K > > not really, the SR and RR parameters only describe the statistics for the data of a certain connection and not the network itself. Henning Schulzrinne and I have been testing a simple extension to RTCP with which RTP can be used to probe the networks bottleneck with an approach similar to that proposed by Bolot et al. That is sending a burst of packets and measuring the interspace between the arriving packets. The result is then carried in the RR reports. By knowing this parameter as well as usual parameetrs in the SR and RR parts one can fairly estimate the available network resources. More details for those who are interested can be found in out NOSSDAV'98 paper --===_0_Fri_Jun_19_08:44:25_MET_DST_1998 Content-Type: message/external-body; name="Sisa9807:Loss.ps.gz"; site="ftp.fokus.gmd.de"; access-type=ANON-FTP; directory=" /pub/step/papers"; mode="image" Content-Description: Sisa9807:Loss.ps.gz Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-ID: --===_0_Fri_Jun_19_08:44:25_MET_DST_1998-- From rem-conf Fri Jun 19 03:57:47 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jun 19 03:57:45 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymyeY-0001el-00; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:44:18 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (nhw) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymyeU-0001eD-00; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:44:14 -0700 Received: (from nhw@localhost) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07902 for cfp_list; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:36:46 +0900 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:36:46 +0900 From: Hae-Woon Nam Message-Id: <199806191036.TAA07902@tsp8.snu.ac.kr> To: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Subject: Call for Papers (JCN) X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list *Please Apologize if you receive duplicated messages. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Announcement and Call for Papers | | The Korea Institute of Communication Sciences (KICS) announces | | a new, international, English-language professional journal, the | | JOURNAL of COMMUNICATIONS and NETWORKS (JCN) | | beginning publication in January, 1999. | | Technically cosponsored by the IEEE Communications Society and the | | Communications Society of the IEICE (Japan)* | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Under discussion with ComSoc and IEICE-Communications Society The JCN will initially be published QUARTERLY and will cover topics in COMMUNICATION THEORY and SYSTEMS, WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS, and NETWORKS and SERVICES The JCN will publish HIGH-QUALITY PAPERS with a MINIMUM TURN-AROUND TIME, returning the first review WITHIN THREE MONTHS. All processing, >from submission to proofs, will be done ELECTRONICALLY and manuscripts will be transferred by electronic mail, without resorting to air/surface mail or courier services. Approximately 400 pages will be published in 1999. The annual subscription rates are: Surface Mail Air Mail Members of KICS: KW 20,000 (surface mail only) Members of KICS Sister Societies: US$ 30 US$ 38 Nonmembers: US$ 150 US$ 158 Subscribers will have access, at no additional cost, to HTML and Postscript versions on the KICS Web site, http://JCN.snu.ac.kr. Authors are advised to submit papers VIA EMAIL to appropriate DIVISION EDITORS (see below). For more details, please check the JCN Web home page or the JCN Information for Authors attached. Papers submitted on or before August 1, 1998 will be considered for publication in the first issue of the JCN in January, 1999. Information on how to subscribe is also available on the KICS Web site. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EDITOR-IN-CHIEF: Stephen B. Weinstein, NEC USA Inc. sbw@ccrl.nj.nec.com ASSOCIATE EDITOR-IN-CHIEF: B. G. Lee, Seoul National Univ. blee@tsp7.snu.ac.kr DIVISION EDITORS: Div I : Communication Theory and Systems P. J. Lee, Pohang Univ. of Sci. and Tech. pjl@postech.ac.kr Ezio Biglieri,** Politecnico di Torino biglieri@polito.it Div II : Wireless Communications D. H. Hong, Sogang Univ. dhong@ccs.sogang.ac.kr Takeshi Hattori,** NTT hattori@pcs.wslab.ntt.jp Div III : Networks and Services D. K. Sung, Korean Adv. Inst. of Sci. & Tech. dksung@ee.kaist.ac.kr W. David Sincoskie,** Bellcore sincos@bellcore.com EDITORS AND ADVISORS: TO BE ANNOUNCED SOON ** in process ---------------------------------------------------------------------- INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF COMMUNICATIONS AND NETWORKS (JCN) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AIM and SCOPE The JOURNAL OF COMMUNICATIONS AND NETWORKS is published four times per year, and is committed to publishing high-quality papers that advance the state-of-the-art and practical applications of communications and information networks. Theoretical research contributions presenting new techniques, concepts, or analyses, applied contributions reporting on experiences and experiments, and tutorial expositions of permanent reference value are welcome. The subjects covered by this journal include all topics in communication theory and systems, wireless communications, and networks and services. COMMUNICATION THEORY AND SYSTEMS includes modulation/signal design, fading/equalization, optical communications, transmission systems, access systems, synchronization, speech processing, image processing, error control coding, source coding/data compression, and complexity/cryptography. WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS includes mobile communications, satellite communications, spread spectrum systems, personal communication systems, multi antenna/user systems, propagation/channel modeling, system simulation, and station and antenna design. NETWORKS AND SERVICES includes network physical and software architecture, communication protocols, network hardware and software technologies, switching and routing, multimedia techniques, Internet/Intranet protocols and services, mobility networks and protocols, operations and management, signaling and control, active networks, services and applications. INFORMATION for AUTHORS Submitted papers, in English, should be concisely written and the length should not exceed 20 double-spaced, single-sided pages (12 pt. font, 26 lines per page) excluding tables and figures. Manuscripts exceeding these guidelines may be returned to the authors. Each manuscript must be accompanied by a 75-200 words abstract and a list of about 5 index terms. Introductory discussion should be kept to a minimum and material published elsewhere should be referenced, not reproduced. Material not essential to the continuity of the text should be placed in Appendices. Formulas must be numbered. Figures must be numbered and referred to in the text, with captions typed on separate sheets in the same format as the main text. Tables must be numbered and referred to in the text. Each table, with caption, must be typed on a separate sheet. References must be numbered in the order of occurrence and referred to in the text by bracketed numbers. The list of references must be typed on separate sheets, in the same format as the main text, and ordered consecutively. Each reference item should include the author(s), title, journal name, volume, number, pages, month, year, and publisher, as applicable. All manuscript submissions must be in electronic format. Authors should submit an electronic file (in LATEX or MS Word) of the manuscript to an appropriate Division editor. Information regarding electronic submission can be obtained from the Journal's www page (http://JCN.snu.ac.kr). Papers that have been published or submitted to other journals, conferences, or books will not be considered for publication in the JOURNAL OF COMMUNICATIONS AND NETWORKS. Revised or extended versions of papers printed in conference, workshop, or symposium proceedings may be submitted to this Journal, with an appropriate cover note. It is the policy of the KICS to own the copyright to the technical contributions it publishes. Authors are required to obtain company clearance before submission. Authors may make their papers available on their own www sites, with acknowledgement of the KICS copyright. After a manuscript has been accepted for publication, the author's company or institution will be requested to pay a voluntary page charge of $50 per printed page to cover part of the cost of publication. The page charge for the JOURNAL OF COMMUNICATIONS AND NETWORKS is not obligatory, nor is its payment a prerequisite for publication. For papers in excess of six printed pages, a mandatory page charge of $100 per printed page will be requested for the printed pages beyond page six, if the voluntary page charge is not honored. The author will receive 50 free reprints if the charge is honored. Detailed instructions will accompany the payment request. The electronic versions of the publication present and past will be made available to authors and subscribers on the KICS Web site. 6/14/1998 From rem-conf Fri Jun 19 04:10:48 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jun 19 04:10:47 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymysy-0002ZY-00; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:59:12 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (nhw) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ymysv-0002Z9-00; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:59:10 -0700 Received: (from nhw@localhost) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08095 for cfp_list; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:55:01 +0900 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:55:01 +0900 From: Hae-Woon Nam Message-Id: <199806191055.TAA08095@tsp8.snu.ac.kr> To: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Subject: Call for Papers (JCN : updated) X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list *Apologies if you receive duplicated messages. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Announcement and Call for Papers | | The Korea Institute of Communication Sciences (KICS) announces | | a new, international, English-language professional journal, the | | JOURNAL of COMMUNICATIONS and NETWORKS (JCN) | | beginning publication in January, 1999. | | Technically cosponsored by the IEEE Communications Society and the | | Communications Society of the IEICE (Japan)* | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Under discussion with ComSoc and IEICE-Communications Society The JCN will initially be published QUARTERLY and will cover topics in COMMUNICATION THEORY and SYSTEMS, WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS, and NETWORKS and SERVICES The JCN will publish HIGH-QUALITY PAPERS with a MINIMUM TURN-AROUND TIME, returning the first review WITHIN THREE MONTHS. All processing, >from submission to proofs, will be done ELECTRONICALLY and manuscripts will be transferred by electronic mail, without resorting to air/surface mail or courier services. Approximately 400 pages will be published in 1999. The annual subscription rates are: Surface Mail Air Mail Members of KICS: KW 20,000 (surface mail only) Members of KICS Sister Societies: US$ 30 US$ 38 Nonmembers: US$ 150 US$ 158 Subscribers will have access, at no additional cost, to HTML and Postscript versions on the KICS Web site, http://JCN.snu.ac.kr. Authors are advised to submit papers VIA EMAIL to appropriate DIVISION EDITORS (see below). For more details, please check the JCN Web home page or the JCN Information for Authors attached. Papers submitted on or before August 1, 1998 will be considered for publication in the first issue of the JCN in January, 1999. Information on how to subscribe is also available on the KICS Web site. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EDITOR-IN-CHIEF: Stephen B. Weinstein, NEC USA Inc. sbw@ccrl.nj.nec.com ASSOCIATE EDITOR-IN-CHIEF: B. G. Lee, Seoul National Univ. blee@tsp7.snu.ac.kr DIVISION EDITORS: Div I : Communication Theory and Systems P. J. Lee, Pohang Univ. of Sci. and Tech. pjl@postech.ac.kr Ezio Biglieri,** Politecnico di Torino biglieri@polito.it Div II : Wireless Communications D. H. Hong, Sogang Univ. dhong@ccs.sogang.ac.kr Takeshi Hattori,** NTT hattori@pcs.wslab.ntt.jp Div III : Networks and Services D. K. Sung, Korean Adv. Inst. of Sci. & Tech. dksung@ee.kaist.ac.kr W. David Sincoskie,** Bellcore sincos@bellcore.com EDITORS AND ADVISORS: TO BE ANNOUNCED SOON ** in process ---------------------------------------------------------------------- INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF COMMUNICATIONS AND NETWORKS (JCN) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AIM and SCOPE The JOURNAL OF COMMUNICATIONS AND NETWORKS is published four times per year, and is committed to publishing high-quality papers that advance the state-of-the-art and practical applications of communications and information networks. Theoretical research contributions presenting new techniques, concepts, or analyses, applied contributions reporting on experiences and experiments, and tutorial expositions of permanent reference value are welcome. The subjects covered by this journal include all topics in communication theory and systems, wireless communications, and networks and services. COMMUNICATION THEORY AND SYSTEMS includes modulation/signal design, fading/equalization, optical communications, transmission systems, access systems, synchronization, speech processing, image processing, error control coding, source coding/data compression, and complexity/cryptography. WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS includes mobile communications, satellite communications, spread spectrum systems, personal communication systems, multi antenna/user systems, propagation/channel modeling, system simulation, and station and antenna design. NETWORKS AND SERVICES includes network physical and software architecture, communication protocols, network hardware and software technologies, switching and routing, multimedia techniques, Internet/Intranet protocols and services, mobility networks and protocols, operations and management, signaling and control, active networks, services and applications. INFORMATION for AUTHORS Submitted papers, in English, should be concisely written and the length should not exceed 20 double-spaced, single-sided pages (12 pt. font, 26 lines per page) excluding tables and figures. Manuscripts exceeding these guidelines may be returned to the authors. Each manuscript must be accompanied by a 75-200 words abstract and a list of about 5 index terms. Introductory discussion should be kept to a minimum and material published elsewhere should be referenced, not reproduced. Material not essential to the continuity of the text should be placed in Appendices. Formulas must be numbered. Figures must be numbered and referred to in the text, with captions typed on separate sheets in the same format as the main text. Tables must be numbered and referred to in the text. Each table, with caption, must be typed on a separate sheet. References must be numbered in the order of occurrence and referred to in the text by bracketed numbers. The list of references must be typed on separate sheets, in the same format as the main text, and ordered consecutively. Each reference item should include the author(s), title, journal name, volume, number, pages, month, year, and publisher, as applicable. All manuscript submissions must be in electronic format. Authors should submit an electronic file (in LATEX or MS Word) of the manuscript to an appropriate Division editor. Information regarding electronic submission can be obtained from the Journal's www page (http://JCN.snu.ac.kr). Papers that have been published or submitted to other journals, conferences, or books will not be considered for publication in the JOURNAL OF COMMUNICATIONS AND NETWORKS. Revised or extended versions of papers printed in conference, workshop, or symposium proceedings may be submitted to this Journal, with an appropriate cover note. It is the policy of the KICS to own the copyright to the technical contributions it publishes. Authors are required to obtain company clearance before submission. Authors may make their papers available on their own www sites, with acknowledgement of the KICS copyright. After a manuscript has been accepted for publication, the author's company or institution will be requested to pay a voluntary page charge of $50 per printed page to cover part of the cost of publication. The page charge for the JOURNAL OF COMMUNICATIONS AND NETWORKS is not obligatory, nor is its payment a prerequisite for publication. For papers in excess of six printed pages, a mandatory page charge of $100 per printed page will be requested for the printed pages beyond page six, if the voluntary page charge is not honored. The author will receive 50 free reprints if the charge is honored. Detailed instructions will accompany the payment request. The electronic versions of the publication present and past will be made available to authors and subscribers on the KICS Web site. 6/14/1998 From rem-conf Fri Jun 19 07:07:03 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jun 19 07:07:01 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yn1a8-0002lC-00; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 06:51:56 -0700 Received: from igw3.watson.ibm.com [198.81.209.18] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yn1a4-0002kV-00; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 06:51:52 -0700 Received: from mailhub.watson.ibm.com (mailhub.watson.ibm.com [9.2.250.97]) by igw3.watson.ibm.com (8.8.7/07-11-97) with ESMTP id JAA11852; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:51:27 -0400 Received: from wildbird.watson.ibm.com (wildbird.watson.ibm.com [9.2.23.71]) by mailhub.watson.ibm.com (8.8.7/Feb-20-98) with SMTP id JAA11206; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:51:27 -0400 Received: from socks2.watson.ibm.com by wildbird.watson.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/6/25/96) id AA38010; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:50:39 -0400 Message-Id: <358A6C71.509538BB@watson.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:49:37 -0400 From: Ping Pan Organization: IBM Research Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Dorgham Sisalem Cc: Sejal Kamani , rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: RTP/RTCP QoS References: <199806190645.IAA00607@donald.fokus.gmd.de.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dorgham Sisalem wrote: > > > > > > > The RTP/RTCP SR and RR are designed to determine QoS parameters > > for a live RTP connection. Does RTP/RTCP define packets that can > > be sent to probe the network to determine QoS statistics a priori > > to call setup ? Mainly interested in packet loss and packet > > latency parameters. Almost an enhanced version of ping... maybe > > RTP ping ? > > > > Is there any work being done in this area ? > > > > Thanks, > > Sejal K > > > > > not really, the SR and RR parameters only describe the statistics for > the data of a certain connection and not the network itself. > > Henning Schulzrinne and I have been testing a simple extension to RTCP > with which RTP can be used to probe the networks bottleneck with an > approach similar to that proposed by Bolot et al. That is sending a > burst of packets and measuring the interspace between the arriving > packets. The result is then carried in the RR reports. > By knowing this parameter as well as usual parameetrs in the SR and RR > parts one can fairly estimate the available network resources. > Yep! In addition, by knowing the estimated resource information, the end system can dynamically send out reservation request to the network for setup a reservation "tree" from sender to receiver(s). > More details for those who are interested can be found in out > NOSSDAV'98 paper > Yep! :-) A proposed approach (yet another NOSSDAV'98 paper with Henning, :-)) can be found at http://www.ctr.columbia.edu/~pan/work/yessir/reservation.html Public domain code should be available soon. - Ping Pan, IBM Research Center From rem-conf Fri Jun 19 22:40:06 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jun 19 22:40:05 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynGDA-0007gQ-00; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:29:12 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynGD9-0007gG-00; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:29:11 -0700 Received: from linus.socs.uts.EDU.AU (sanjay@linus.socs.uts.EDU.AU [138.25.8.1]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09855 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 14:18:07 +0900 From: sanjay@socs.uts.EDU.AU Received: from localhost (sanjay@localhost) by linus.socs.uts.EDU.AU (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA11769 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:18:00 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:18:00 +1000 (EST) X-Sender: sanjay@linus To: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Subject: Who maintains this list? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Please tell people how to unsubscribe. Also I have never subsribed to this list. It is not fair to put people in list without asking them. I am getting trillions of unsubsribe message. Please remove my name and also others (who have not subscribed) immediately. Sanjay Kumar Jha E-mail: sanjay@socs.uts.edu.au Lecturer, School of Computing Sciences, UTS, AUSTRALIA ph: +61 2 9514 1858 Fax: +61 2 9514 1807 http://www-staff.socs.uts.edu.au/~sanjay/ From rem-conf Sat Jun 20 05:46:42 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 20 05:46:41 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynMxx-0003P4-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 05:41:57 -0700 Received: from cs.columbia.edu [128.59.16.20] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynMxv-0003Ou-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 05:41:55 -0700 Received: from erlang.cs.columbia.edu (erlang.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.19.141]) by cs.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA24213; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 08:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.columbia.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by erlang.cs.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA04797; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 08:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Sender: hgs@cs.columbia.edu Message-ID: <358BAE0A.7BE4B38@cs.columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 08:41:46 -0400 From: Henning Schulzrinne Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian Huitema , rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: New payload document: GSM need fixes References: <3587BA49.EA8B164B@cs.columbia.edu> <980618122005.ZM15487@seawind.bellcore.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Christian Huitema wrote: > > I was perusing the audio/video payload draft > (draft-ietf-avt-profile-new-02.txt) when I noticed a couple of problems > with the GSM payload definition. Specifically: > > 1) There is no mention of the GSM "Half Rate" and "Enhanced Half Rate" > capabilities. Do you have document references or is this part of the same document as "basic" GSM? What is their data rate and frame size? > > 2) Section 4.5.10.2 ends in mid sentence, after "in the RTP encoding we > have:" > > Is there any attempt to fix these two points? I fixed this. > > The Half Rate and Enhanced Half Rate situation are characteristic of a > problem encountered in SDP when using "not quite standard" payload types. > We need, at a minimum, a way to refer unambiguously to these encodings. > We may or may not want to reserve an actual payload type for new > encodings, but we should definitely have a way to give them a "standard > name." How about GSM2 and GSM2e as names? > > -- > Christian Huitema > ---------- > See you at INET'98, Geneva 21-24,July 98 http://www.isoc.org/inet98/ -- Henning Schulzrinne schulzrinne@cs.columbia.edu Dept. of Comp. Sci. ph +1 212 939-7042 Columbia University fax +1 212 666-0140 New York, NY 10027 http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~hgs From rem-conf Sat Jun 20 07:41:12 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 20 07:41:12 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynOmf-0004R8-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 07:38:25 -0700 Received: from out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynOme-0004Qy-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 07:38:24 -0700 Received: from dsp (slip166-72-86-111.ma.us.ibm.net [166.72.86.111]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA104482 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 14:38:20 GMT Message-ID: <358C72E9.7DA0@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:41:45 -0400 From: Gary Huntress Reply-To: huntres@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: RTP/RTCP QoS References: <199806190645.IAA00607@donald.fokus.gmd.de > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dorgham Sisalem wrote: > > > > > > > The RTP/RTCP SR and RR are designed to determine QoS parameters > > for a live RTP connection. Does RTP/RTCP define packets that can > > be sent to probe the network to determine QoS statistics a priori > > to call setup ? Mainly interested in packet loss and packet > > latency parameters. Almost an enhanced version of ping... maybe > > RTP ping ? > > > > Is there any work being done in this area ? > > > > Thanks, > > Sejal K > > > > > not really, the SR and RR parameters only describe the statistics for > the data of a certain connection and not the network itself. > > Henning Schulzrinne and I have been testing a simple extension to RTCP > with which RTP can be used to probe the networks bottleneck with an > approach similar to that proposed by Bolot et al. That is sending a > burst of packets and measuring the interspace between the arriving > packets. The result is then carried in the RR reports. > By knowing this parameter as well as usual parameetrs in the SR and RR > parts one can fairly estimate the available network resources. > > More details for those who are interested can be found in out > NOSSDAV'98 paper > Once the interspace has been measured, what can be done to effectively compensate? I expect that audio quality could be improved considerably with some client side adaptive signal processing, once the channel is fully characterized (for that interval of time, I realize it isn't stationary). Is anyone working in this area? Regards, Gary Huntress > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Access-Type: ANON-FTP > Site: ftp.fokus.gmd.de > Link to Document Directory: /pub/step/papers > Name: Sisa9807:Loss.ps.gz > Type: application/octet-stream > Mode: image From rem-conf Sat Jun 20 20:30:24 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 20 20:30:23 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynaht-0000J0-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:22:17 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynahs-0000Ij-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:22:16 -0700 Received: from mbunix.mitre.org (mbunix.mitre.org [129.83.20.100]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00504 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:31:47 +0900 Received: from FUZZY (fuzzy.mitre.org [129.83.20.83]) by mbunix.mitre.org (8.8.8/8.8.8/mitre.0) with ESMTP id XAA15190; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mwppp21.mitre.org (128.29.249.21) by fuzzy.mitre.org with SMTP id 220459; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:06:49 EST Message-ID: <358C7945.D9B88E5D@mitre.org> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:08:53 -0400 From: henryr@mitre.org (Henry C. Rothkopf) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanjay@socs.uts.edu.au cc: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Subject: Re: [odp] Who maintains this list? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Same here - please take me off of this list NOW! sanjay@socs.uts.EDU.AU wrote: > > Please tell people how to unsubscribe. Also I have never subsribed to this > list. It is not fair to put people in list without asking them. > I am getting trillions of unsubsribe message. > > Please remove my name and also others (who have not subscribed) > immediately. > > Sanjay Kumar Jha E-mail: sanjay@socs.uts.edu.au > Lecturer, School of Computing Sciences, UTS, AUSTRALIA > ph: +61 2 9514 1858 Fax: +61 2 9514 1807 > http://www-staff.socs.uts.edu.au/~sanjay/ From rem-conf Sat Jun 20 20:30:24 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 20 20:30:23 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynagY-0000Bg-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:20:54 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynagW-0000B8-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:20:53 -0700 Received: from sirius.ctr.columbia.edu (root@sirius.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.60]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00490 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:29:03 +0900 Received: from comet.columbia.edu (orion.comet.columbia.edu [128.59.68.28]) by sirius.ctr.columbia.edu (8.9.0/8.6.4.287) with ESMTP id PAA13343; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mk@localhost) by comet.columbia.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/COMET) with SMTP id VAA08166; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:22:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.comet.columbia.edu: mk owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:22:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Kounavis To: kim nam gyun cc: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Subject: Re: unsubscribe me In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980620111620.0079ee30@dcn.soongsil.ac.kr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list How did I get in this list; please unsubscribe me From rem-conf Sat Jun 20 20:37:57 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 20 20:37:57 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynanT-0000g1-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:28:03 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynanS-0000fq-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:28:03 -0700 Received: from hursley.ibm.com (mersey.hursley.ibm.com [194.196.110.10]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA00567 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:42:59 +0900 Received: from sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com by hursley.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA44944; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:19:51 +0100 Received: from mailserver.hursley.ibm.com (lig32-239-37-59.emea.lig-dial.ibm.com [32.239.37.59]) by sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id KAA86898 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:19:49 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <358B7EB5.84776B3C@mailserver.hursley.ibm.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:19:49 +0100 From: Simon Nash Reply-To: nash@hursley.ibm.com Organization: IBM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Subject: Re: Who maintains this list? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list I too have just started getting messages from this list even though I never subscribed. Please remove me immediately. Simon sanjay@socs.uts.EDU.AU wrote: > > Please tell people how to unsubscribe. Also I have never subsribed to this > list. It is not fair to put people in list without asking them. > I am getting trillions of unsubsribe message. > > Please remove my name and also others (who have not subscribed) > immediately. > > Sanjay Kumar Jha E-mail: sanjay@socs.uts.edu.au > Lecturer, School of Computing Sciences, UTS, AUSTRALIA > ph: +61 2 9514 1858 Fax: +61 2 9514 1807 > http://www-staff.socs.uts.edu.au/~sanjay/ -- Simon C Nash, IBM Java Technology Centre, Hursley, UK MailPoint 146, x245156 Tel. 01962 815156 or +44-1962-815156 Internet: nash@hursley.ibm.com Notes mail: Simon Nash@ibmgb From rem-conf Sat Jun 20 20:45:23 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 20 20:45:23 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynavv-0001A2-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:36:47 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynavt-00019a-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:36:46 -0700 Received: from orbitor.ica.net (root@ica.net [207.245.245.230]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00709 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:52:15 +0900 Received: from kosmaj.sopot (tiger7-net209-151-143-ip094.ica.net [209.151.143.94]) by orbitor.ica.net (8.8.8/8.8.8-NORELAY) with SMTP id OAA28430 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 14:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980620144519.007b6100@mail.ica.net> X-Sender: alikic@mail.ica.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 14:45:19 -0400 To: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr From: Aleksandar Likic Subject: Re: unsubscribe me In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980620111620.0079ee30@dcn.soongsil.ac.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list unsubscribe cfp list lika@array.ca From rem-conf Sat Jun 20 20:49:35 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 20 20:49:35 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynb5K-0002JX-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:46:30 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynb5J-0002JH-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:46:29 -0700 Received: from cs.nthu.edu.tw (cs.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.77.1]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10013 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:15:22 +0900 Received: from cs21.cs.nthu.edu.tw (cytang@cs21 [140.114.77.71]) by cs.nthu.edu.tw (thcs.1/cs) with ESMTP id PAA26486; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:04:38 +0800 (CST) From: Chuan Yi Tang Received: (from cytang@localhost) by cs21.cs.nthu.edu.tw (thcs/cs21) id PAA14298; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:04:37 +0800 (CST) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:04:37 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <199806200704.PAA14298@cs21.cs.nthu.edu.tw> To: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr, jblee@archi.snu.ac.kr Subject: Re: unsubscribe X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list unsubscribe From rem-conf Sat Jun 20 20:51:02 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 20 20:51:02 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynb6x-0002TL-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:48:11 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynb6w-0002T9-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:48:10 -0700 Received: from mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (mailhub.fokus.gmd.de [193.175.134.209]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00799 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:03:46 +0900 Received: from [193.175.135.119] (ravel [193.175.135.119]) by mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15429 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:26:15 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: tim@mailhost.fokus.gmd.de Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:31:43 +0200 To: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr From: Tim Eckardt Subject: Re: Who maintains this list? X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list The same as sanjay wrote goes for me. Please remove also my name from this list and do not bother me with more e-mails!!! I never subscribed to this e-mail list. Tim Eckardt sanjay@socs.uts.EDU.AU wrote: >Please tell people how to unsubscribe. Also I have never subsribed to this >list. It is not fair to put people in list without asking them. >I am getting trillions of unsubsribe message. > >Please remove my name and also others (who have not subscribed) >immediately. > > > Sanjay Kumar Jha E-mail: sanjay@socs.uts.edu.au > Lecturer, School of Computing Sciences, UTS, AUSTRALIA > ph: +61 2 9514 1858 Fax: +61 2 9514 1807 > http://www-staff.socs.uts.edu.au/~sanjay/ ------------- Tim Eckardt ------------- GMD FOKUS / ice Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 31 // Phone: +49 30 3463 7222 D-10589 Berlin, Germany // Fax : +49 30 3463 8222 mailto:eckardt@fokus.gmd.de, URL: http://www.fokus.gmd.de From rem-conf Sat Jun 20 20:52:57 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 20 20:52:57 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynb8j-0002d1-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:50:01 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynb8j-0002cl-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:50:01 -0700 Received: from eunhasu.kjist.ac.kr (eunhasu.kjist.ac.kr [203.237.32.200]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10019 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:22:26 +0900 Received: (from jeong@localhost) by eunhasu.kjist.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09992; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:25:40 +0900 (KST) From: Jeong-A Lee Message-Id: <199806200725.QAA09992@eunhasu.kjist.ac.kr> Subject: Re: Who maintains this list? To: sanjay@socs.uts.edu.au Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:25:40 +0900 (KST) Cc: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr In-Reply-To: from "sanjay@socs.uts.EDU.AU" at Jun 20, 98 03:18:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25-h4.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list > > Please tell people how to unsubscribe. Also I have never subsribed to this > list. It is not fair to put people in list without asking them. > I am getting trillions of unsubsribe message. > > Please remove my name and also others (who have not subscribed) > immediately. > > > Sanjay Kumar Jha E-mail: sanjay@socs.uts.edu.au > Lecturer, School of Computing Sciences, UTS, AUSTRALIA > ph: +61 2 9514 1858 Fax: +61 2 9514 1807 > http://www-staff.socs.uts.edu.au/~sanjay/ > First, I am not maintaining the cfp-list. It looks to me that we are getting all these "unsubscribe" messages because people who want to unscribe send a message to "cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr". Why don't you send a message to "nhw@tsp8.snu.ac.kr" who originally sent out the cfp? J. Lee Chosun University From rem-conf Sat Jun 20 20:59:53 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 20 20:59:52 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynbEs-0003WB-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:56:22 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynbEr-0003US-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:56:21 -0700 Received: from pollen.cs.concordia.ca (root@pollen.cs.concordia.ca [132.205.44.61]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00838; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:11:50 +0900 Received: from cs.concordia.ca (mjassels@orchid [132.205.45.61]) by pollen.cs.concordia.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25417; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806210347.XAA25417@pollen.cs.concordia.ca> To: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Cc: postmaster@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Reply-To: postmaster@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Subject: PLEASE READ: DON'T SEND MAIL TO cfp_list Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:47:00 -0400 From: Michael Assels X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list I am another person who is receiving unsolicited mail to cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr As far as I can tell, nobody asked to be subscribed. Rather, somebody who doesn't understand the ethics of mailing list subscription has subscribed all of the following mailing lists: jcci@ccl.chungnam.ac.kr ikig@cs.kwangwoon.ac.kr sc6wg7@dl.ac.uk knom@nile.postech.ac.kr cnom@maestro.bellcore.com rsvp-kr@comsun.chungnam.ac.kr tcpip-ng@pec.etri.re.kr snucom-network@thumper.bellcore.com snucom-all@comp.snu.ac.kr cfp@smart.snu.ac.kr intserv@datacom.chungnam.ac.kr amlist@takilab.k.dendai.ac.jp xtp-relay@cs.concordia.ca sigmedia@BELLCORE.COM sb.all@ieee.org rem-conf@es.net osimcast@BBN.COM multicomm@cc.bellcore.com modern-heuristics@uk.ac.mailbase itc@fokus.gmd.de isadsoc@fokus.gmd.de ieeetcpc@ccvm.sunysb.edu ieee_rtc_list@cs.tamu.edu hipparch@sophia.inria.fr giga@tele.pitt.edu g-troup@ccrc.wustl.edu fokus-user@fokus.gmd.de f-troup@codex.cis.upenn.edu enternet@BBN.COM end2end-interest@isi.edu dbworld@cs.wisc.edu ctc-members@redbank.tinac.com comswtc@gmu.edu comsoc.tac@tab.ieee.org comsoc-gicb@ieee.org comsoc-chapters@ieee.org ISWORLD@Danann.hea.ie JavaCORBA@luke.org odp@dstc.edu.au mof-rtf@omg.org ab@omg.org dtc@omg.org ptc@omg.org tc@omg.org mof@omg.org adtf@omg.org bomsig@omg.org commsoft@cc.bellcore.com ckobryn@shl.com IEEETCPC@listserv.utoronto.ca kocsea@uml.edu tccc@ieee.org Anyway, the point is that it does NO GOOD whatsoever to send "unsubscribe" requests back to the list. Nobody is listening except your fellow victims, and they're getting more and more frustrated with each "unsubscribe". I am cc'ing this message to the postmaster of the offending site in the hope that he/she will block all further traffic to the list. There is no "cfp_list-request" address for unsubscribing, so this is the only solution. I have also set the "Reply-To" address to the same postmaster, so that he/she will benefit from your views as well. Again: Please resist the urge to send any mail whatsoever to the cfp_list address. If you must complain, complain to the site's postmaster. Michael Assels (who is just as angry as the rest of you) From rem-conf Sat Jun 20 21:18:46 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 20 21:18:46 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynbYO-0006jq-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:16:32 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynbYM-0006jM-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:16:30 -0700 Received: from mx2.nuri.net (mx2.nuri.net [203.255.112.65]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00939 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:27:30 +0900 Received: from nuri.net (tsinchon-108.nuri.net [203.231.244.108]) by mx2.nuri.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA24251 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:02:40 +0900 (KST) Message-ID: <358C86A0.CA8F7461@nuri.net> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:05:52 +0900 From: nakk Reply-To: nakk@nuri.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Unidentified subject! X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list unsubcribe From rem-conf Sat Jun 20 21:36:50 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 20 21:36:50 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynbpN-0000Pt-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:34:05 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynbpL-0000PI-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:34:03 -0700 Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00999 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:39:58 +0900 Received: from tis2.tis.toshiba.co.jp by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (8.8.8/3.3W9-04/12/95) id NAA27084; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:15:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp by tis2.tis.toshiba.co.jp (8.8.4+2.7Wbeta4/3.3W9-95082317) id NAA23241; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:15:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from ux37.fuchu.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp (8.7.1+2.6Wbeta4/3.3W9-TOSHIBA-GLOBAL SERVER) id NAA03981; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:15:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from as3520.nsk.fuchu.toshiba.co.jp by ux37.fuchu.toshiba.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5W/3.3W9-TOSHIBA-TEMPLATE FOR MX) id NAA16171; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:14:07 +0900 Received: from tn by as3520.nsk.fuchu.toshiba.co.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl5+NSKAI1.2) id NAA25636; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:15:06 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199806210415.NAA25636@as3520.nsk.fuchu.toshiba.co.jp> To: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Subject: Please remove my address From: Toru Nakamura X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.05 PL2] Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:14:31 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Please remove my address from your mailing lsit. From Toru Nakamura ------------------------------------------------------------- Toru Nakamura Toshiba Fuchu Works New System Development Group 1 Toshiba-cho, Fuchu-shi, Tokyo 183, Japan Tel:+81-423-33-2539 Celler Phone:+81-080-77-74822 Fax:+81-423-40-8014 e-mail:toru.nakamura@toshiba.co.jp e-mail:nakamura@nsk.fuchu.toshiba.co.jp ------------------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf Sat Jun 20 21:56:39 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 20 21:56:39 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ync9F-0002Dx-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:54:37 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ync9D-0002DY-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:54:35 -0700 Received: from rcunix.kotel.co.kr (rcunix.kotel.co.kr [147.6.3.40]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA01294 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:10:24 +0900 Received: from ykim.kotel.co.kr (cellpc3.kotel.co.kr [147.6.13.204]) by rcunix.kotel.co.kr (8.6.12h2/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA00703 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:53:07 +0900 Message-ID: <358C8FF2.4D9B@rcunix.kotel.co.kr> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:45:38 +0900 From: Yeongkwun Kim Reply-To: ykim@rcunix.kotel.co.kr Organization: Korea Telecom, WCRL X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Subject: Re: Who maintains this list? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Anybody knows what this list is? I can not understand why I should receive plenty of messages I NEVER intended. Would you Please remove my name from this list IMMEDIATELY? -- Yeongkwun Kim,PhD, Korea Telecom, Wireless Communication Research Lab. 82+2+526-6149 (Phone), 82+2+526-6178 (Fax), ykim@rcunix.kotel.co.kr From rem-conf Sat Jun 20 22:19:09 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 20 22:19:09 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yncUi-0003yX-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:16:48 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yncUh-0003yN-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:16:47 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01349 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:28:12 +0900 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06408; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199806210503.WAA06408@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: ykim@rcunix.kotel.co.kr cc: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Subject: Re: Who maintains this list? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:45:38 +0900." <358C8FF2.4D9B@rcunix.kotel.co.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:03:17 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Someone decided to grab the names of a few mailing lists to his mailing lists. You choices are: 1. complain to the post master where the list is coming from or to the ISP . 2. kill all mail coming from cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr 3. watch the unsubscribed messages flying by Amancio From rem-conf Sat Jun 20 22:54:23 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 20 22:54:23 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yncvh-0005a4-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:44:41 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yncvg-0005Zr-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:44:40 -0700 Received: from dm.cobaltmicro.com (davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com [209.133.34.35]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01507 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:00:13 +0900 Received: (from davem@localhost) by dm.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA03666; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:33:30 -0700 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:33:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199806210533.WAA03666@dm.cobaltmicro.com> From: "David S. Miller" To: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr In-reply-to: <199806210121.VAA19216@earthlink.net> (jsshapiro@earthlink.net) Subject: Re: if you wish to unsubscribe References: <199806210121.VAA19216@earthlink.net> X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list I would like to point out to the other "victims" that in reality, the problem which is causing everyone here to get the postings (or at least some of us) is because end2end-interest is what was added to this cfp_list list. Check the return headers to see what I mean, which I suppose not too many people did. Later, David S. Miller davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com From rem-conf Sat Jun 20 23:36:35 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 20 23:36:34 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yndfA-0000DR-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:31:40 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yndf9-0000DH-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:31:39 -0700 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01650 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:43:12 +0900 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) id XAA24130; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806210618.XAA24130@zephyr.isi.edu> To: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr From: end2end-interest-request@ISI.EDU Subject: Your mail to end2end-interest-request@zephyr.isi.edu In-Reply-To: , from cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Reply-To: end2end-interest-approval@ISI.EDU X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list This pre-recorded message is being sent in response to your recent email to end2end-interest-request@zephyr.isi.edu. All routine administrative requests (including subscriptions and unsubscriptions) concerning this mailing list are handled by an automated server. Please read this message carefully to find the information relevant to you. SUBSCRIBING =========== To subscribe to end2end-interest, send the following in the body (not the subject line) of an email message to "majordomo@zephyr.isi.edu": subscribe end2end-interest This will subscribe the account from which you send the message to the end2end-interest list. If you wish to subscribe another address instead (such as a local redistribution list), you can use a command of the form: subscribe end2end-interest other-address@your_site.your_net UNSUBSCRIBING ============= To unsubscribe from end2end-interest, send the following in the body (not the subject line) of an email message to "majordomo@zephyr.isi.edu": unsubscribe end2end-interest This will unsubscribe the account from which you send the message. If you are subscribed with some other address, you'll have to send a command of the following form instead: unsubscribe end2end-interest other-address@your_site.your_net If you don't know what address you are subscribed with, you can send the following command to see who else is on the list (assuming that information isn't designated "private" by the owner of the list):o who end2end-interest If you want to search non-privte lists at this server, you can do that by sending a command like: which string This will return a list of all entries on all lists that contain "string". HELP ==== To find out more about the automated server and the commands it understands, send the following command to "majordomo@zephyr.isi.edu": help If you feel you need to reach a human, send email to end2end-interest-approval@zephyr.isi.edu From rem-conf Sun Jun 21 02:53:57 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Jun 21 02:53:56 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynggt-00035p-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 02:45:39 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynggr-00035N-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 02:45:37 -0700 Received: from dfunms.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (dfunms.rus.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.1.162]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01925 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:57:12 +0900 Received: from ikews2.ike.uni-stuttgart.de (ikews2.ike.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.25.96]) by dfunms.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA26867 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:32:19 +0200 (MET DST) env-from (lurk@ikews2.ike.uni-stuttgart.de) Received: from alexpc1 (isdn010.rus.uni-stuttgart.de) by ikews2.ike.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP id AA01543 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr); Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:32:18 GMT Message-Id: <358CD319.3D34@ike.uni-stuttgart.de> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:32:09 +0200 From: Alexander Lurk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Subject: unsubcribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by tsp8.snu.ac.kr id RAA01925 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list unsubcribe thanks --=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dipl.-Ing. Alexander Lurk Institut f=FCr Kernenergetik und Energiesysteme der Uni Stuttgart Abteilung Wissensverarbeitung und Numerik Postfach - 70550 Stuttgart II KK KK EEEEEE Pfaffenwaldring 31, D - 70569 Stuttgart II KK KK EE II KKKK EEEEE Telefon: 0711/685-2122 II KK KK EE Telefax: 0711/685-2010 II KK KK EEEEEE E-Mail: lurk@ike.uni-stuttgart.de http://www.ike.uni-stuttgart.de/~www_wn/leute/Lurk/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf Sun Jun 21 04:28:17 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Jun 21 04:28:16 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yniCh-00022E-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 04:22:35 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yniCg-00021z-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 04:22:34 -0700 Received: from hobbes.poly.edu (hobbes.poly.edu [128.238.1.20]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02060 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:35:05 +0900 Received: from acts.poly.edu (acts.poly.edu [128.238.42.79]) by hobbes.poly.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA11717; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by acts.poly.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA26827; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:02:37 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:02:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Ti-shiang david Wang To: "Henry C. Rothkopf" cc: sanjay@socs.uts.edu.au, cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Subject: Re: [odp] Who maintains this list? In-Reply-To: <358C7945.D9B88E5D@mitre.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list same here-please take me off of this list, too. On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, Henry C. Rothkopf wrote: > Same here - please take me off of this list NOW! > > > sanjay@socs.uts.EDU.AU wrote: > > > > Please tell people how to unsubscribe. Also I have never subsribed to this > > list. It is not fair to put people in list without asking them. > > I am getting trillions of unsubsribe message. > > > > Please remove my name and also others (who have not subscribed) > > immediately. > > > > Sanjay Kumar Jha E-mail: sanjay@socs.uts.edu.au > > Lecturer, School of Computing Sciences, UTS, AUSTRALIA > > ph: +61 2 9514 1858 Fax: +61 2 9514 1807 > > http://www-staff.socs.uts.edu.au/~sanjay/ > > From rem-conf Sun Jun 21 04:28:17 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Jun 21 04:28:16 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yniCj-00022P-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 04:22:37 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yniCh-000228-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 04:22:36 -0700 Received: from biscayne.it.cs.toyo.ac.jp ([133.79.92.96]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA02056 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:32:18 +0900 Received: from takatori.it.cs.toyo.ac.jp (omy12DS09.stm.mesh.ad.jp) by biscayne.it.cs.toyo.ac.jp with SMTP (4.2/Sony4.2MX) id AA15423; Sun, 21 Jun 98 19:56:58 JST Message-Id: <199806211106.AA00040@takatori.it.cs.toyo.ac.jp> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:06:52 +0900 To: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Cc: takatori@it.cs.toyo.ac.jp Subject: [cfp_list] Please remove my address From: Masashi TAKATORI Replay-To: takatori@it.cs.toyo.ac.jp X-Url: http://www.it.cs.toyo.ac.jp/~takatori/ (Coming Soon!!) In-Reply-To: <199806210415.NAA25636@as3520.nsk.fuchu.toshiba.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AL-Mail32 Version 1.01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Please remove my address from your mailing lsit. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Masashi TAKATORI Multimedia Network Laboratory, TOYO Univ, JAPAN E-mail: takatori@it.cs.toyo.ac.jp =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From rem-conf Sun Jun 21 04:43:57 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Jun 21 04:43:57 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yniSz-0003de-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 04:39:25 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yniSx-0003dR-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 04:39:23 -0700 Received: from biscayne.it.cs.toyo.ac.jp ([133.79.92.96]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA02099 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:50:38 +0900 Received: from by biscayne.it.cs.toyo.ac.jp (4.2/Sony4.2MX) id AB15557; Sun, 21 Jun 98 20:15:26 JST Message-Id: <199806211124.AA00045@takatori.it.cs.toyo.ac.jp> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:24:45 +0900 To: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Cc: takatori@it.cs.toyo.ac.jp Subject: Please remove my address From: Masashi TAKATORI Replay-To: takatori@it.cs.toyo.ac.jp X-Url: http://www.it.cs.toyo.ac.jp/~takatori/ (Coming Soon!!) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AL-Mail32 Version 1.01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Remove my address from your mailing list, please. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Masashi TAKATORI Multimedia Network Laboratory, TOYO Univ, JAPAN E-mail: takatori@it.cs.toyo.ac.jp =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From rem-conf Sun Jun 21 05:02:31 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Jun 21 05:02:31 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynilP-00055K-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 04:58:27 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynilN-00054w-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 04:58:25 -0700 Received: from summerset.crim.ca (summerset.crim.ca [132.218.1.10]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02151 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:10:09 +0900 Received: from crim.ca (sarek.crim.ca [132.218.2.35]) by summerset.crim.ca (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA17679; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358BA112.82652E@crim.ca> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 07:46:26 -0400 From: Petre Dini X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dini@crim.ca CC: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Subject: Re: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list unsubscribe dini@crim.ca dini@iro.umontreal.ca dini@ieee.org dini@acm.org P. From rem-conf Sun Jun 21 05:06:11 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Jun 21 05:06:11 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yniq4-0005Rd-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 05:03:16 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yniq2-0005RO-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 05:03:15 -0700 Received: from ie.technion.ac.il (root@ie.technion.ac.il [132.68.160.4]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02161 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:18:33 +0900 Received: from ie.technion.ac.il (kutten@ie.technion.ac.il [132.68.160.4]) by ie.technion.ac.il (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA13499; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:55:14 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:55:14 +0200 (IST) From: Shay Kutten To: sanjay@socs.uts.EDU.AU cc: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Subject: Re: Who maintains this list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list me too. ======================================================================= Faculty of Industrial Engineering and Management, Technion, Haifa 32000, Israel. http://iew3.technion.ac.il:8080/Home/Users/kutten.phtml phone (011 from the US) (972) (that is: Israel) (4) 829 4505 Fax: 823 5194 ======================================================================= On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 sanjay@socs.uts.EDU.AU wrote: > Please tell people how to unsubscribe. Also I have never subsribed to this > list. It is not fair to put people in list without asking them. > I am getting trillions of unsubsribe message. > > Please remove my name and also others (who have not subscribed) > immediately. > > > Sanjay Kumar Jha E-mail: sanjay@socs.uts.edu.au > Lecturer, School of Computing Sciences, UTS, AUSTRALIA > ph: +61 2 9514 1858 Fax: +61 2 9514 1807 > http://www-staff.socs.uts.edu.au/~sanjay/ > From rem-conf Sun Jun 21 08:15:31 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Jun 21 08:15:31 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynljp-0001Kv-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:09:01 -0700 Received: from dienstmann-atm.informatik.uni-bremen.de (dienstmann.informatik.uni-bremen.de) [134.102.213.88] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynljn-0001KG-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:09:00 -0700 Received: by dienstmann.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.7.3/30.7.96cl) id RAA12934 Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:02:21 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:02:21 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199806211502.RAA12934@dienstmann.informatik.uni-bremen.de> From: Carsten Bormann To: Henning Schulzrinne Cc: Christian Huitema , rem-conf@es.net, jo@tzi.org, jutta@cs.tu-berlin.de Subject: Re: New payload document: GSM need fixes In-Reply-To: <358BAE0A.7BE4B38@cs.columbia.edu> References: <3587BA49.EA8B164B@cs.columbia.edu> <980618122005.ZM15487@seawind.bellcore.com> <358BAE0A.7BE4B38@cs.columbia.edu> X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Henning Schulzrinne writes: > Christian Huitema wrote: > > > > I was perusing the audio/video payload draft > > (draft-ietf-avt-profile-new-02.txt) when I noticed a couple of problems > > with the GSM payload definition. Specifically: > > > > 1) There is no mention of the GSM "Half Rate" and "Enhanced Half Rate" > > capabilities. > > Do you have document references or is this part of the same document as > "basic" GSM? What is their data rate and frame size? I'm not aware of an "enhanced half rate" codec in the ETSI GSM documents. The standards are: (HR is half rate, EFR is enhanced full rate, FR is the original full rate, "coding" is the transcoding base standard, "lost" is the substitution and muting of lost frames document, "DTX" is discontinuous transmission, "VAD" is voice activity detection, "bits" is frame size in bits, "rate" is frame rate in Hz): coding lost comfort DTX VAD bits rate type FR 06.10 06.11 06.12 06.31 06.32 260 50 RPE-LTP 300961 300962 300963 300964 300965 HR 06.20 06.21 06.22 06.41 06.42 112 50 VSELP 300969 300970 300971 300972 300973 EFR 06.60 06.61 06.62 06.81 06.82 244 50 ACELP 300726 300727 300728 300729 300730 Of course, there are older versions of the 06.xx documents that have different ETS numbers (300xxx). Note that the frame size is not in general a multiple of 8, and that the mapping to a sequence of bytes in a packet is not really defined in the documents. As noted in the profile, in our original 1992 GSM-FR implementation we added four constant bits in the frame as a signature and went to 33 bytes (264 bits). Current implementations to my knowledge do not send (or process) SID (silence descriptor) frames at the end of talkspurts; I'm not sure we need to say something about this possibility in the documents. > > The Half Rate and Enhanced Half Rate situation are characteristic of a > > problem encountered in SDP when using "not quite standard" payload types. > > We need, at a minimum, a way to refer unambiguously to these encodings. > > We may or may not want to reserve an actual payload type for new > > encodings, but we should definitely have a way to give them a "standard > > name." > > How about GSM2 and GSM2e as names? How about GSM-HR and GSM-EFR? We still have to nail down the packetization, though. More work needed once adaptive multirate coding (AMR) is done. To me it seems handling the GSM codecs well is really important: Wireline telephony is all but going away in some parts of the world and Internet Telephony will need to interoperate with GSM networks without additional transcoding (and the resulting delays and quality impairments). Let's be careful about doing this right. Gruesse, Carsten From rem-conf Sun Jun 21 15:36:29 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Jun 21 15:36:28 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynsVu-0003Dh-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:23:06 -0700 Received: from plains.nodak.edu [134.129.111.64] (hoag) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ynsVt-0003DV-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:23:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (hoag@localhost) by plains.NoDak.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA00538; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:23:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:23:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Marty Hoag Reply-To: Marty Hoag To: rem-conf@es.net cc: postmaster@tsp8.snu.ac.kr, rem-conf-request@es.net Subject: Re: Who maintains this list? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Folks - this is being distributed (at least when I get it) by the rem-conf list which is on MBone remote conferencing. I suspect someone thought the rem-conf list was for conference announcements and subscribed it to the cfp_list. Perhaps the problem has now been fixed as I haven't gotten any mail from the cfp_list for some time. Marty ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Received: from mail1.es.net (mail1.es.net [198.128.3.181]) by plains.NoDak.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA02304; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:20:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yncUi-0003yX-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:16:48 -0700 Received: from tsp8.snu.ac.kr [147.46.116.150] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yncUh-0003yN-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:16:47 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by tsp8.snu.ac.kr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01349 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:28:12 +0900 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06408; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199806210503.WAA06408@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: ykim@rcunix.kotel.co.kr cc: cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr Subject: Re: Who maintains this list? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:45:38 +0900." <358C8FF2.4D9B@rcunix.kotel.co.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:03:17 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Someone decided to grab the names of a few mailing lists to his mailing lists. You choices are: 1. complain to the post master where the list is coming from or to the ISP . 2. kill all mail coming from cfp_list@tsp8.snu.ac.kr 3. watch the unsubscribed messages flying by Amancio From rem-conf Mon Jun 22 08:33:17 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun 22 08:33:17 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yo8PK-0001yi-00; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:21:22 -0700 Received: from thumper.bellcore.com [128.96.41.1] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yo8PI-0001tj-00; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:21:20 -0700 Received: from seawind.bellcore.com (seawind.bellcore.com [192.4.18.101]) by thumper.bellcore.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22724; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from huitema@localhost) by seawind.bellcore.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17723; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:20:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Huitema Message-Id: <980622112004.ZM17721@seawind.bellcore.com> In-Reply-To: Carsten Bormann "Re: New payload document: GSM need fixes" (Jun 21, 5:02pm) References: <3587BA49.EA8B164B@cs.columbia.edu> <980618122005.ZM15487@seawind.bellcore.com> <358BAE0A.7BE4B38@cs.columbia.edu> <199806211502.RAA12934@dienstmann.informatik.uni-bremen.de> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: Carsten Bormann , Henning Schulzrinne Subject: Re: New payload document: GSM need fixes Cc: rem-conf@es.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list > I'm not aware of an "enhanced half rate" codec in the ETSI GSM My mistake. Sorry for the typo. The name is "enhanced full rate." -- Christian Huitema ---------- See you at INET'98, Geneva 21-24,July 98 http://www.isoc.org/inet98/ From rem-conf Mon Jun 22 16:54:30 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun 22 16:54:28 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yoGLe-0004og-00; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:50:06 -0700 Received: from spider.ec2.edu [206.117.187.8] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yoGLc-0004oV-00; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:50:04 -0700 Received: from aognet.net ([38.27.10.18]) by spider.ec2.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA2711; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:48:46 -0700 Message-ID: <358EF1B6.D265AB20@aognet.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:07:18 -0500 From: "Leslie Pieri" Reply-To: leslie@aognet.net Organization: AOG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: UNIX playable internet gaming site announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hey! Are you an internet gamer? Wanna know about a new UNIX-playable internet game? Gameworld Internet Club – check us out at http://www.gameworld.com. We’d love to have you visit and signup for beta playtesting! Interested in knowing a little more about us – well, here’s a short writeup that should give you a feel for us. Come on and play with us… Leslie **ANNOUNCING GAMEWORLD INTERNET CLUB** If you are looking for new, interesting, fun games on the internet, well, look to the new Gameworld Internet Club. What’s Gameworld got in store for all the gamers anxious for something new? Try Lords of the Cubicles, a humorous game of office politics. An oxymoron you say? Yeah well, tell us working at the office isn’t an oxymoron as well. Those that identify with this are ready for Lords of the Cubicles. 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Playtester signups are being taken at the Gameworld site for their upcoming beta testing scheduled through July. Commercial launch is slated for summer. Gameworld’s developers, Adventure Online Gaming, Inc., have developed a java-based toolset that allows non-programmers to deploy games on the internet. This toolset allows AOG to partner with game developers in bringing traditional board and card games to the internet. Adding new games each month, the Gameworld game collection will continue to grow keeping the gaming challenge alive. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Leslie J. Pieri, Assistant Vice President of Marketing AOG Central Region Office Voice: 512.338.1894 11160 Jollyville Road Fax: 512.338.1895 Suite 832II Austin, TX 78759 AOG Delivers Java-Based Network Solutions and Develops Tools for Publishing Rich, Compelling Internet Training, Education and Game Experiences http://www.aognet.net http://www.onlineeducation.net http://www.onlinetraining.net http://www.gameworld.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From rem-conf Wed Jun 24 14:23:08 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Jun 24 14:23:06 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yowfT-0001yH-00; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:01:23 -0700 Received: from hnc.hnc.com [209.67.180.2] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yowfS-0001xn-00; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:01:22 -0700 Received: (from adm@localhost) by hnc.hnc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04811; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hnc2.hnc.com(209.67.180.10) by hnc.hnc.com via smap (V2.1) id xma004809; Wed, 24 Jun 98 13:58:33 -0700 Received: from pchnc.hnc.com (pchnc [191.9.204.105]) by spike.hnc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05361; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pchnc.hnc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:01:04 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Lovett, Dean" To: scwpf@sdsc.edu, talks@ucsd.edu, talks-ece@ece.ucsd.edu, talks-cse@cs.ucsd.edu, e-club@ucsd.edu, web-watchers--KClaffy , rem-conf@es.net, webteam@qualcomm.com, webheads@sio.ucsd.edu, java-ucsd@mib.org, flesner@nosc.mil, GregJohnson Subject: Wednesday night - Web Programmers Forum - Live MBone Broadcast Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:01:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Wednesday, June 24, 1998, 7pm San Diego Supercomputer Center (SDSC) Auditorium Invited Speaker WebLogic, Inc. "WebLogic, Inc. is a pioneer in Java solutions for distributing Java applications and connecting them to databases. The Company is a San Francisco-based, privately held corporation. Established in 1995, WebLogic is the oldest independent provider of exclusively Java products." For directions and parking information, see the Southern California Web Programmers Forum home page at http://www.sdsc.edu/scwpf From rem-conf Thu Jun 25 09:01:06 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jun 25 09:01:05 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ypEME-00060D-00; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:54:42 -0700 Received: from (forest.icast.com) [209.1.118.2] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ypEMC-000602-00; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:54:40 -0700 Received: (from mail@localhost) by forest.icast.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA05351; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:54:31 -0700 Received: from apache.icast.com(192.168.20.10) by forest.icast.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005347; Thu, 25 Jun 98 08:54:18 -0700 Received: from shazamm.internal.icast.com ([192.168.20.196]) by apache.internal.icast.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA28302; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <359270AF.4430@icast.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:45:51 -0700 From: Vinay Kumar Reply-To: vinay@icast.com Organization: ICAST Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mbone@isi.edu, mboned@network-services.uoregon.edu CC: confctrl@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: icast c:tv 3.0: final release Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list [apologize in advance for multiple copies] the final builds were released last week. come and get it from http://www.icast.com/download/ thanks to millions of folks who downloaded and gave us valuable feedback. one clarification (since lot of people asked this before): - the ICAST Recorder software is fully compatible with "University of Mannheim MBone VCR" as usual, all comments, suggestions, bug-reports to: support@icast.com. happiness. --- vinay http://www.icast.com/ From rem-conf Thu Jun 25 12:34:14 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jun 25 12:34:13 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ypHcz-0004jw-00; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:24:13 -0700 Received: from largo.eecs.tufts.edu [192.138.177.99] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ypHcy-0004jm-00; 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charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Call for Papers * * * * 32th Annual Simulation Symposium * * * * Hyatt Islandia, San Diego, California * * * * April 11-15, 1999 * * * * Sponsored by: * * * * The Society for Computer Simulation (SCS) * * * * In cooperation with: * * * * The IEEE Computer Society * * * * ACM (Association for Computing Machinery) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The Annual Simulation Symposium is a forum for the exchange of ideas, techniques, and applications among practitioners of simulation in industry, government, and academia. This international Symposium is the oldest continuously operating conference/symposium dedicated to simulation. The paper sessions are designed to promote discussion of concepts, methodology, and results between authors and the audience. The structure of the Symposium also provides for a degree of collegiality and continuity in the discussions of the various topics presented during the week. In recent years, the Symposium has provided a forum for traditional simulation topics in discrete-event, continuous, digital, and analog simulation. Along with the traditional subjects, this year's Symposium is seeking papers in the following topical areas: o Simulation of Multiprocessor Architectures o VLSI Circuit Simulators o Simulation Languages, Tools, and Environments o Object-Oriented Simulation o Simulation of Distributed Systems and Databases o Animations/Virtual Reality o Advances in Simulation Methodology and Practices o Network Modeling and Simulation o Simulation of Multimedia Applications and Systems o Parallel and Distributed Simulation o Artificial Intelligence in Simulation o Neural Network Models and Simulation General Chair Program Committee Chair Prof. Taieb F. Znati Prof. Karen P. Lentz Computer Science Department Tufts University University of Pittsburgh 161 College Ave. Pittsburgh, PA 15260 Medford, MA 02155 Tel.: (412) 624-8417 Tel.:(617) 628-5000x5976 Fax.: (412) 624-8854 Fax.:(617) 627-3220 znati@cs.pitt.edu karen@eecs.tufts.edu PAPER SUBMISSION: Please send five (5) copies of a complete paper by September 15, 1998 to: Professor Karen P. Lentz Important Dates Tufts University Paper Submission Deadline: 9/15/98 161 College Ave. Acceptance Notification : 11/15/98 Medford, MA 02155 Camera-Ready Paper : 1/8/99 Papers can also be submitted electronically to ss99@eecs.tufts.edu by October 1st, 1998. Submitted files must be either in dvi or PostScript format with all figures and tables included, as created on Unix systems by: cat paper.ps | compress | uuencode paper.ps.Z > paper.uue or in most other environments by the `print to file' command with the PostScript output format option. All submissions will be fully refereed for accuracy, technical content, and relevance. Papers should be between 10 to 20 double- spaced pages (5 to 10 single-spaced pages for the camera-ready version). Please include full name, affiliation, address, phone number, and email address of each author and designate the author who is to be contacted. Authors will receive the reviewers' comments and will be given a chance to respond to these reviews. Authors' replies will be taken into consideration in the final paper selection decision. Accepted papers will appear in the Symposium's Proceedings which will be published by the IEEE Computer Society. The Ira M. Kay Memorial Prize of $500 will be awarded to the best paper presented at the Symposium. Authors of top papers will also be encouraged to submit a follow-on paper to the International Journal in Computer Simulation. Only papers which have not been previously published or presentd should be submitted. Authors must obtain employer, client, or government releases prior to submitting the final manuscript. PROGRAM COMMITTEE Taieb Znati, General Chair, University of Pittsburg Karen Panetta Lentz, Program Chair, Tufts University Sujata Banerjee, University of Pittsburgh Dimetri Avresky,Boston University SimonettaI Balsamo, University of Pisa Wai Chen, Bellcore Patrick. W. Dowd, SUNY Buffalo Alois Ferscha, Institut Fuer Angewandte Informatik Paul A. Fishwick, Unviersity of Florida Greg Follen, NASA Lewis Research Center Richard Fujimoto, Georgia Inst. Of Technology Omar Hammami, The University of Aizu, Japan Martin Hitz, University of Vienna Helen Karatza, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki Enrqiue V. Kortright, Nicholls State University Wayne M. Loucks, University of Waterloo Robert Macredie, Brunel University, UK John A. Miller, University of Georgia Philippe Mussi, Inria Sophia Antipolis David Nicol, College of Willian and Mary Tuncer Oren, Tubitak-Marmar Research Center-Informatics Institute Vernon Rego, Purdue University Willian H. Sanders, University of Arizona Robert Simon, George Mason University Gary S. H. Tan, National University of Singapore Stephen J. Turner, University of Exeter Philip A. Wilsey, University of Cincinnati Shambhu J. Upadhyaya, State University of New York at Buffalob Znati, General C FURTHER INFORMATION: For additional information, please send mail to ss99@tufts.edu or contact either Prof. Karen P. Lentz, (karen@eecs.tufts.edu) or Prof. Taieb Znati (znati@cs.pitt.edu). Updated conference announcement and information are accessible at the symposium home page at http://www.eecs.tufts.edu/ss99. From rem-conf Thu Jun 25 13:46:52 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Jun 25 13:46:52 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ypIl1-0006hU-00; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:36:35 -0700 Received: from mail1.nec.com (telemann.inoc.dl.nec.com) [143.101.112.2] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ypIl0-0006hJ-00; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:36:34 -0700 Received: from shredder.syl.dl.nec.com (shredder.syl.dl.nec.com [143.101.64.3]) by telemann.inoc.dl.nec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09121; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:32:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from speedy.syl.dl.nec.com (speedy.syl.dl.nec.com [143.101.64.26]) by shredder.syl.dl.nec.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22990; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:32:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from wlu@localhost) by speedy.syl.dl.nec.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01879; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:32:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:32:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Wei Lu Message-Id: <199806252032.PAA01879@speedy.syl.dl.nec.com> To: aft@socks.nec.com Subject: BOF for SOCKS V6 Cc: socks@socks.nec.com, socks5@socks.nec.com, stp@socks.nec.com, firewalls@greatcircle.com, rem-conf@es.net, confctrl@isi.edu, mboned@network-services.uoregon.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: XJRMBcMd0ip+k5Iez4a/fg== X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list There will be a BOF in the coming IETF Conference in Chicago to discuss issues relating to Secure Transport Proxy. It is intended to extend works being done by AFT WG. A mailing list, stp@socks.nec.com and a archive web site, http://www.socks.nec.com/socksinfo.html have been set. To join the list, send a message to majordomo@socks.nec.com Do not include a Subject in your message. The message body should contain one line as follows: subscribe stp your_E_mail_address We will hold the discussions for a week so that those who are interested in would have time to catch up the mailbox and join the list. A draft of the charter has been included for your reference. ================================================== Wei Lu Email: wlu@syl.dl.nec.com Principal, MTS Voice: 972-518-3507 Networking Systems Lab. NEC USA, Inc. ================================================== ************************************************************** Description of Working Group: The proliferation of networking technologies and applications bring new promises and challenges to the Internet. One such challenge is how to develop and manage a heterogeneous and colossal networking environment? Specifically, how to manage a network that consists of IPv4, RFC1918, IPv6, IPSec, mobile IP, and a variety of applications that use multiple IP transports, TCP, UDP, and Multicast? The Secure Transport Proxy Working Group (STP) is chartered to specify a generic mechanism to proxy IP transports in a secure manner. The protocol will evolve from the existing work done by the Authenticated Firewall Traversal Working Group (AFT). It will focus on transport proxy mechanisms that are secure, scalable, efficient and flexible. The protocol will be specifically designed for bi-directional establishment of TCP, UDP and Multicast proxy channels over a heterogeneous network environment, enabling application protocols to securely pass through firewalls. The STP working group will not develop specific authentication protocols, cryptographic techniques, or related key management methods, but instead, use the work of other IETF working groups in these areas. The protocol's primary security goal will be to provide a framework to incorporate existing security technologies such as IPSEC, TLS, Kerberos, and others. In addition, the protocol will support end-to-end security in a multiple proxy environment and security of multicast proxy channel. ***************************************************************** From rem-conf Fri Jun 26 09:22:21 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jun 26 09:22:20 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ypazE-0006x4-00; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:04:28 -0700 Received: from nis-tradewind.paisley.ac.uk (wpmail.paisley.ac.uk) [146.191.32.5] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ypazC-0006ut-00; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:04:27 -0700 Received: from Gate-Message_Server by wpmail.paisley.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:20:20 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:19:36 +0000 From: Delia Atherton To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Europia'98 conference Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list All The deadline has been extended to 6 July 1998. Can you please send all your submissions to Dr Cherif Branki, Conference Chairman, at: bran-ci0@cs.paisley.ac.uk Regards Delia From rem-conf Fri Jun 26 13:56:21 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Jun 26 13:56:20 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ypfRX-0002a1-00; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:49:59 -0700 Received: from s2.itd.nrl.navy.mil (itd.nrl.navy.mil) [132.250.83.3] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ypfRW-0002Zr-00; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:49:58 -0700 Received: from tabasco (tabasco.itd.nrl.navy.mil [132.250.92.182]) by itd.nrl.navy.mil (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA17441; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980626165119.00b4a100@pop.itd.nrl.navy.mil> X-Sender: macker@pop.itd.nrl.navy.mil X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:51:19 -0700 To: rem-conf@es.net From: Joe Macker Subject: MDPv2 Announcement Cc: rm@mash.cs.berkeley.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list All: A quick note to announce the availability of the Multicast Dissemination Protocol version 2 (MDPv2) software at http://manimac.itd.nrl.navy.mil/MDP In summary, MDPv2 is a completely redesigned and upgraded release intended to replace outdated NRL work on MDP and IMM reliable multicast code. IMM and MDPv1 are no longer being worked on. Like its predecessors, MDPv2 is mainly a reliable multicast file transfer application with some other interesting capabilities and optional modes (see usage). The major change is that we have integrated a very flexible FEC parity-based retransmission approach along with hybrid explicit packet retransmission in this release and redesigned the codebase from the ground up. It presently runs on a wide variety of OSes. We are also presently providing an sdr advertised "Tour of the Planets" MBone session with "tkMdp" or "winMdp" if anyone wants to try this out and help us with testing and data collection. Have fun! The sdr plugin and instructions are available at the website. Present data content is imagery files (nice NASA and other planetary stuff from Mercury to Pluto) and you can use xv or your favorite web client as a helper application (more notes on this at the website). We have posted binaries at ftp://manimac.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ManiMac/Pub/MDP/dist/ for the following machines: - Sun Sparc Solaris machines. - x86 Linux and PowerPC MkLinux machines - x86 FreeBSD machines - Win32 machines (Win95, Win NT) - Silicon Graphics IRIX - Hewlett Packard HPUX The present software version number is 1.3a1 or better. For more information, contact: Brian Adamson adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil Joe Macker macker@itd.nrl.navy.mil Joseph P. Macker Information Technology Division Naval Research Laboratory +1-202-767-2001 macker@itd.nrl.navy.mil http://tonnant.itd.nrl.navy.mil/macker.html From rem-conf Sat Jun 27 11:22:05 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sat Jun 27 11:22:03 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ypzQK-00078j-00; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:10:04 -0700 Received: from poteidaia.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.1] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0ypzQI-00078T-00; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:10:02 -0700 Received: from tulia.utdallas.edu (sanket@tulia.utdallas.edu [129.110.30.215]) by poteidaia.utdallas.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0/null-3.4) with ESMTP id NAA09663; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:09:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from sanket@localhost) by tulia.utdallas.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA24963; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:09:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:09:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Sanket S Nesargi To: Audio/Video Transport , Roaming Operations , QoS Routing , IP Telephony Subject: QoS Issues for Transport of Multimedia Data over Cellular Wireless Networks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hi, I am working on the QoS issues for the transport of multimediadata over a variety of networks (including cellular, and possibly ad-hoc networks) as a part of my Master's thesis. I want to look at these aspects in an architecture independent manner. More specifically, I am interested in looking at the modifications needed to transport multimedia data over networks using Mobile IP at the network layer, RTP/RTCP payload in UDP packets, and how the different QoS parameters like jitter, end to end delay etc could be satisfied in such a scenario. Almost all of the literature that I have come across treats the topic at a lower layer, assuming the existence of an ATM network and using Wireless ATM to extend it over the wireless hop. In this, the QoS is guaranteed by reserving timeslots in the TDM frames sent to the mobile host. However, I feel that assuming the existence of an end-to-end ATM n/w is not valid as the end-to-end connection may span across diverse networks, all of which may not guarantee deterministic delays etc. I intend to look at the issues from the modifications needed at the network and the transport layers in an architecture independent manner. I have not been able to find any literature on this topic, and if anyone could provide me with useful pointers to information on this topic it would be great. Also, if you could let me know your points of view on looking at QoS provisioning in this manner, I would really grateful. Thanks, Sanket Nesargi --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sanket S. Nesargi Research Assistant | 2400 Waterview Parkway, #1215 Distributed Systems Lab | Richardson, TX - 75080 UT Dallas | Off: (972) 883 2420 | Res: (972) 437 1740 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf Sun Jun 28 04:13:43 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Jun 28 04:13:42 1998 Received: from list by mail2.es.net with local (Exim 1.92 #1) for rem-conf-dist@es.net id 0yqF2n-0003ID-00; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:50:49 -0700 Received: from 1cust165.tnt18.atl2.da.uu.net ([153.36.118.165] helo=sites98) by mail2.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0yqF2k-0003Hg-00; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:50:47 -0700 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:14:44 From: Subject: Service Update Message-Id: Bcc: To: rem-conf@es.net X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Due to the significant and rapid policy changes recently implemented by many major Search Engines, we have updated our publication so you may evaluate your site's exposure to the new risks and opportunities. http://www.sitestrategies98.com To unsubscribe, please click on the link below and enter your e-mail address. http://www.sitestrategies98.com/unsubscribe.html From rem-conf Mon Jun 29 06:40:01 1998 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Jun 29 06:40:00 1998 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yqdxR-0006jU-00; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:26:57 -0700 Received: from mailgate.nortel.ca (mailgate) [192.58.194.74] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 0yqdxP-0006jG-00; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:26:55 -0700 Received: from bcars520 by mailgate; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:25:53 -0400 Received: from ca.nortel.com by bcars520.ca.nortel.com id <04684-0@bcars520.ca.nortel.com>; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:24:59 -0400 Date: 29 Jun 1998 09:24 EDT Sender: "Vahe Balabanian" To: sanket@utdallas.edu Cc: rem-conf@es.net, roamops@tdmx.rutgers.edu, qosr@newbridge.com, iptel@lists.research.bell-labs.com From: "Vahe Balabanian" Subject: re:QoS Issues for Transport of Multimedia Data over Cellular Wireless Message-Id: X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dear Sanket, MPEG has been looking at the matter of network independent and media dependent stream QoS for some time now. I wish to direct your attention to the ISO/IEC Delivery Multimedia Integration Framework Final CD on http://drogo.cselt.it/mpeg/ The DMIF Reference code operating over IP has been implementated by Xbind Inc. and the source code will be donated to ISO for general availability along with the DMIF Specification. DMIF has also been presented to the AVT in a technical proposal draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mpeg4-dmif-00.txt Regards, Vahe Balabanian Nortel In message "QoS Issues for Transport of Multimedia Data over Cellular Wireless", sanket@utdallas.edu writes: >Hi, > I am working on the QoS issues for the transport of multimediadata over >a variety of networks (including cellular, and possibly ad-hoc networks) as a >part of my Master's thesis. I want to look at these aspects in an >architecture independent manner. More specifically, I am interested in >looking at the modifications needed to transport multimedia data over >networks using Mobile IP at the network layer, RTP/RTCP payload in UDP >packets, and how the different QoS parameters like jitter, end to end >delay etc could be satisfied in such a scenario. > Almost all of the literature that I have come across treats the >topic at a lower layer, assuming the existence of an ATM network and using >Wireless ATM to extend it over the wireless hop. In this, the QoS is >guaranteed by reserving timeslots in the TDM frames sent to the mobile >host. However, I feel that assuming the existence of an end-to-end ATM n/w >is not valid as the end-to-end connection may span across diverse >networks, all of which may not guarantee deterministic delays etc. I >intend to look at the issues from the modifications needed at the network >and the transport layers in an architecture independent manner. > I have not been able to find any literature on this topic, and if >anyone could provide me with useful pointers to information on this topic >it would be great. Also, if you could let me know your points of view on >looking at QoS provisioning in this manner, I would really grateful. > >Thanks, >Sanket Nesargi > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sanket S. 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