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Your address can be permanently deleted from this database by calling toll-free 1-888-681-4206 From rem-conf Wed Mar 01 09:38:14 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 01 09:38:13 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QCyA-00002n-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:31:30 -0800 Received: from ferao.jungle.bt.co.uk [132.146.107.45] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QCy7-00002M-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:31:29 -0800 Received: from sherekhan.jungle.bt.co.uk (sherekhan [132.146.107.25]) by ferao.jungle.bt.co.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/Jungle-8.9.1-03) with SMTP id RAA07233 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:21:45 GMT Received: from jungle.bt.co.uk ([132.146.107.59]) by sherekhan.jungle.bt.co.uk; Wed, 1 Mar 00 17:21:44 GMT Message-Id: <38BD53DD.2C30CDE1@jungle.bt.co.uk> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 17:31:09 +0000 From: Sylvie Brunelle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: RTP/RTCP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hi evrybody, I have just arrived in this mailing list. I read the RFC 1889 and the RTP FAQ but I still have some questions concerning RTP/RTCP. I was wondering if the 5 seconds limit for the RTCP transmission interval is definite. I think so (cf. Annex 7) but I prefer to check. Otherwise how will that be in the case of the unicast case? Is the limit of 5 seconds still in use? RTP and RTCP use different port but what about the multicast address? I think they have the same one. Is that right? Cheers, Sylvie From rem-conf Wed Mar 01 10:57:12 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 01 10:57:12 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QE9J-0001QP-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:47:05 -0800 Received: from reddot.dynamicsoft.com [216.89.83.6] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QE9I-0001QC-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:47:04 -0800 Received: from dynamicsoft.com ([216.89.83.2]) by reddot.dynamicsoft.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id NAA12517; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:47:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38BD66D4.523C25A@dynamicsoft.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 13:52:04 -0500 From: Jonathan Rosenberg Organization: dynamicsoft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sylvie Brunelle CC: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: RTP/RTCP References: <38BD53DD.2C30CDE1@jungle.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Sylvie Brunelle wrote: > > Hi evrybody, > > I have just arrived in this mailing list. I read the RFC 1889 and the > RTP FAQ but I still have some questions concerning RTP/RTCP. > > I was wondering if the 5 seconds limit for the RTCP transmission > interval is definite. I think so (cf. Annex 7) but I prefer to check. I'm not sure what you mean by "definite". The interval actually depends on the group size and on the RTCP transmission rate that has been allocated. Given a 5% allocation, as specified in rfc1889, the minimum interval is 5 seconds on average. The actual interval is randomly varied between 1/2 and 3/2 of the 5 seconds. > > Otherwise how will that be in the case of the unicast case? Is the limit > of 5 seconds still in use? The same applies for unicast. > > RTP and RTCP use different port but what about the multicast address? I > think they have the same one. Is that right? Yes, same multicast address. -Jonathan R. -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg 200 Executive Drive Chief Scientist Suite 120 dynamicsoft West Orange, NJ 07052 jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (732) 741-4778 http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (732) 741-7244 http://www.dynamicsoft.com From rem-conf Wed Mar 01 10:57:12 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 01 10:57:12 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QECG-0001Qu-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:50:08 -0800 Received: from bucky-rwcmex.excite.com (bucky.excite.com) [198.3.99.218] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QECF-0001Qb-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:50:07 -0800 Received: from neon.excite.com ([199.172.153.87]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with ESMTP id <20000301174205.JKHQ2577.bucky.excite.com@neon.excite.com>; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:42:05 -0800 Message-ID: <5248964.951932525390.JavaMail.imail@neon.excite.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:42:04 -0800 (PST) From: aladdin_@excite.com To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: RTP Session statistics request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.65.151.101 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hi, I am looking for RTP session statistics data recorded by any of the popular tools (e.g. RTPMon, Multimon, RTPMonitor etc.) or any other means. Does any one have a recorded file giving the statistics >from various participants for a RTP session. I am looking for a large amount of data (e.g. say 100 participants, their RTCP reports recorded for say 1 Hr.). Does any one have such a file or similar statistics? If so could you please email it to me? Thanks a lot in advance, Al _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com From rem-conf Wed Mar 01 11:52:28 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 01 11:52:28 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QF8E-0003Sd-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:50:02 -0800 Received: from penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se) [194.237.142.110] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QF8D-0003SS-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:50:02 -0800 Received: from super.du.uab.ericsson.se (root@super.du.uab.ericsson.se [134.138.176.16]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.5) with ESMTP id UAA04982; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:43:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from martell.du.uab.ericsson.se (mml@martell [134.138.176.69]) by super.du.uab.ericsson.se (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12/erix-1.7) with ESMTP id e21Jh6X23357; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:43:07 +0100 (MET) Received: by martell.du.uab.ericsson.se (8.9.1/client-1.7) id UAA07227; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:43:06 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <14525.29386.78951.596101@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:43:06 +0100 (MET) From: Matthias.Lang@ericsson.com To: Jonathan Rosenberg Cc: Sylvie Brunelle , rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: RTP/RTCP In-Reply-To: <38BD66D4.523C25A@dynamicsoft.com> References: <38BD53DD.2C30CDE1@jungle.bt.co.uk> <38BD66D4.523C25A@dynamicsoft.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 8) "Bryce Canyon" XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.5) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list > > I was wondering if the 5 seconds limit for the RTCP transmission > > interval is definite. I think so (cf. Annex 7) but I prefer to check. jdrosen> I'm not sure what you mean by "definite". The interval jdrosen> actually depends on the group size and on the RTCP jdrosen> transmission rate that has been allocated. Given a 5% jdrosen> allocation, as specified in rfc1889, the minimum interval jdrosen> is 5 seconds on average. The actual interval is randomly jdrosen> varied between 1/2 and 3/2 of the 5 seconds. Part 5 of 6.3.1 (RFC 1889) says The resulting value of T is divided by e-3/2=1.21828 This seems to mean that in this case the interval is randomly varied between 1/(2* (e-3/2)) and 3/((2* (e-3/2)) of 5 seconds > > Otherwise how will that be in the case of the unicast case? Is the limit > > of 5 seconds still in use? jdrosen> The same applies for unicast. I couldn't figure out which parts of sections 6.2 and 6.3 are mandatory for unicast and which ones aren't. Under 6.3: An implementation that allows operation in a multicast environment or a multipoint unicast environment MUST meet the scalability goals described in Section 6.2 [...] An implementation which is constrained to two-party unicast operation MAY omit this algorithm. The hard part is figuring which parts of 6.2 are "scalability goals" and which parts aren't. 6.3.1 specifies how to calculate the RTCP transmission interval, but again it seems to be addressing the same scaleability goals that unicast implementations are allowed to ignore. I wound up implementing the algorithm for multicast because that seemed easier than guessing which parts of the spec apply to unicast and which parts don't, but I'd be interested to hear an interpretation of the spec which lets me do something simpler. 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Linkoping U.,Sweden IIT, Madras Monmouth Univ. Ozegovic Julije Paris Jehan-Francois Peng Wuxu FESB Split Univ. of Houston Southwest Texas St. U. Prakash Ravi Qiao Chunming Raghavendra C. S. U. of Texas-Dallas SUNY-Buffalo USC Rahouma Kamel Hussein Ramamurthy Byrav Richardson Paul Univ. of Salzburg U. of Nebraska-Lincoln U. of Michigan-Dearborn Rothermel Kurt Sanneck Henning Saran Huzur U. of Stuttgart GMD Fokus IIT, Delhi Schaller Sibylle Scotton Paolo Seckin Gamze NEC IBM Res. Div.-Zurich Arizona State Univ. Shiomoto Kohei Sivalingam Krishna Somani Arun K NTT Network Lab. Washington State U. Iowa State Univ. Stojmenovic Ivan Su David Subramaniam Suresh Univ. of Ottawa NIST George Washington U. Tseng Yu-Chee Turck Filip De Vandalore Bobby Nat'l Central Univ. University Of Gent Ohio State Univ. Varada Srihari Wang Zheng Wigglesworth Joe TranSwitch Corp. Bell Labs IBM Toronto Lab. Wolf Michael Xue Guoliang Yamamoto Miki DaimlerChrysler Res. Univ. of Vermont Osaka University Yang Oliver Yang Yuanyuan Youn Hee Yong Univ. of Ottawa SUNY-Stony Brook Info.& Comm. U.,Korea Yuan Xin Yun Kenneth Yurcik Bill Florida State Univ. U. of CA, San Diego Illinois State Univ. Zeadally Sherali Zomaya Albert Y. Wayne State Univ. U. of Western Australia -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf Wed Mar 01 12:49:10 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 01 12:49:10 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QG1U-0005QO-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:47:08 -0800 Received: from helios.cstp.umkc.edu [134.193.2.39] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QG1T-0005Pr-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:47:07 -0800 Received: (from ekpark@localhost) by helios.cstp.umkc.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA03000; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:43:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:43:00 -0600 (CST) From: Eun Kyo Park Message-Id: <200003012043.OAA03000@helios.cstp.umkc.edu> To: alg@comm.toronto.edu, apc@ee.nthu.edu.tw, apc_members@hornbill.ee.nus.sg, cabernet-general@newcastle.ac.uk, ccrc@dworkin.wustl.edu, cellular@comnets.rwth-aachen.de, cnom@maestro.bellcore.com, commsoft@cc.bellcore.com, comsoc-chapters@ieee.org, comsoc-gicb@ieee.org, comsoc.tac@tab.ieee.org, comswtc@gmu.edu, cost237-transport@comp.lancs.ac.uk, ctc-members@redbank.tinac.com, enternet@bbn.com, f-troup@codex.cis.upenn.edu, fokus-user@fokus.gmd.de, g-troup@ccrc.wustl.edu, giga@tele.pitt.edu, hipparch@sophia.inria.fr, ieee_rtc_list@cs.tamu.edu, ieeetcpc@ccvm.sunysb.edu, isadsoc@fokus.gmd.de, itc@fokus.gmd.de, multicomm@cc.bellcore.com, osimcast@bbn.com, performance@haven.epm.ornl.gov, rem-conf@es.net, reres@laas.fr, sb.all@ieee.org, sc6wg4@ntd.comsat.com, sigmedia@bellcore.com, tccc@ieee.org, xtp-relay@cs.concordia.ca Subject: IEEE ICCCN2000 CFP X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list (Our apologies if you receive this multiple times!!) ** Electronic paper submission system is up ** and ready to accept papers !!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------------------- IEEE IC3N'2000 CALL FOR PAPERS NINTH INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON COMPUTER COMMUNICATIONS AND NETWORKS October 16 - 18, 2000 Imperial Palace Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada USA (Website: icccn.cstp.umkc.edu) Sponsored by IEEE Communications Society (tech. co-sponsor), Army Research Lab/Office, IBM, NOKIA, Siemens (pending approval of sponsorships) ICCCN is a major international forum to present original and fundamental advances in the field of Computer Communications and Networks. It also serves to foster communication among researchers and practitioners working in a wide variety of scientific areas with a common interest in improving Computer Communications and Networks. SCOPE: The primary focus of the conference is on new and original research results in the areas of design, implementation and applications of Computer Communications and Networks. We invite you to submit papers that address novel, challenging, and innovative results. The topics include, but are not limited to: Optical Communication Networks Wireless/Mobile/Satellite Comm Networks ATM Networking Internet Services/Applications Wireless Multimedia Applications Real-time Communications Quality of Services (QoS) Issues LAN/WAN Internetworking Network Interoperability Personal Communication Services Network Control Management Broadband Networks Intelligent Networks Multicast and Routing Protocols Network Security Media Access Control/Mobility Algorithms Network Reliability High Speed Network OAM/Protocols Video-on-Demand Data Traffic Engineering Network Management/Billing Global Infrastructure Network Evolution Network Processor Technology Performance Modeling/Analysis Communication Software Protocol Design/Validation/Testing Networked Databases Network Architectures Terabit optical switching/ routing architectures and signaling SUBMISSION: Authors are invited to submit complete and original papers. Papers that may be submitted should not have been previously published in another forum, or are not currently under review by another journal or conference. All submitted papers will be refereed for quality, correctness, originality and relevance. The program committee reserves the right to accept a submission as long, short, or poster presentation. Of particular interest are papers which address experiences with concrete Computer Communications and applications. All accepted papers will be published in the conference proceedings. Special issues of journals containing outstanding papers from the conference are being planned. Manuscripts should include an abstract and be limited to 5000 words. Submissions should include the title, author(s), author's affiliation, e-mail address, fax number and postal address. In case of multiple authors, an indication of which author is responsible for correspondence and preparing the camera ready paper for the proceedings should also be included. Electronic submission is strongly encouraged (go to the end of this CFP for more information; ps or pdf format is preferred. Please contact Dr. Park if you have to submit with hard copies). Manuscripts should be submitted by Friday, April 24, 2000 to ICCCN2000 website or contact program co-chairs with any questions: Dr. Ton Engbersen Professor E.K. Park IBM Research Laboratory Computer Science Telecommunications Saumerstrasse 4 University of Missouri 8803 Rueschlikon Robert Flarsheim Hall, Room 534 Switzerland 5100 Rockhill Road apj@zurich.ibm.com Kansas City, Missouri 64110 USA +41-1-7248302 (816)235-1497; (816)235-5159(fax) +41-1-7248599 (fax) ekpark@cstp.umkc.edu IMPORTANT DATES: Paper submission deadline : April 24, 2000 Notification of acceptance: June 26, 2000 Camera ready papers due : July 31, 2000 TUTORIALS: Proposals are solicited for tutorials. Please email your proposals in ASCII format by April 24, 1999 to one of the Program Chairs above. WEBSITE: Electronic paper submission system is up and ready (from March 1, 2000) to accept papers for the IEEE ICCCN2000 and please visit ICCCN2000 web site icccn.cstp.umkc.edu for more up-to-date information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I E E E I C C C N 2000 ORGANIZATION ------------------------------------- Honorary Conference Chair: Dr. Kia Makki, Univ. of Louisiana, Dept of EECE, 2 Rex Street, Lafayette, LA 70504, kia@usl.edu Conference General Chair: Dr. Sudhir S. Dixit, Nokia Research Center, 5 Wayside Road, Burlington, MA 01803, (781)993-4607, sudhir.dixit@nokia.com Program Chairs: Dr. Ton Engbersen and Dr. EK Park (see above for addresses) Local Arrange Chair: Dr. Jerry Stach, Computer Science Telecommunications, University of Missouri, stach@cstp.umkc.edu, 816-235-2346 Publicity Chair: Dr. Wei Li, University of Louisiana, Dept of EECE, Madison Hall 248G, P.O.Box 43890, Lafayette, LA 70504-3890 (318)482-6570; (318)482-6687 (Fax), wli@usl.edu Technical Program Committee: (Last Name/First Name/Affiliation) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Abouaissa A. Atiquzzaman Mohammed Atlas Alia U.of Tech. Belfor- Univ. of Dayton BBN Technologies Montbeliard Avresky D. R. Bestavros Azer Bhat Kabekode V. Boston University Boston University Lucent Technologies Busovaca Senad Cao Guohong Casoni Maurizio CA State U.,Sacramento Penn State Univ. Univ. of Bologna Chen Thomas Cheng Albert M. K. CHI Chi-Hung SMU Univ. of Houston Nat'l U. of Singapore Chin Kwan-Wu Choi Young B. Clauberg Rolf Curtin U. of Tech. COMPAQ Comp. Corp. IBM Research Conway Adrian Curcio Igor D.D. Das Samir R. GTE Internetworking Nokia Mobile Phones U. of Cincinnati Delp Gary Demeester Piet Douligeris Christos IBM U. Of Gent - IMEC University of Piraeus Dovrolis Constantinos Ersoy Cem Feng Hui U of Wisconsin,Madison Bogazici Univ. NEC America, Inc Fernandez Antonio Fischer Stefan Fong Simon U. Rey Juan Carlos Int'l Univ.,Germany Nanyang Tech. Univ. Frieder Ophir Fumagalli Andrea Garg Rahul IIT, Chicago U. of Texas-Dallas IBM India Res. Golmie Nada Golshani Forouzan Gusat Mitchell NIST Arizona State Univ. ZRL Herkersdorf Andreas Hetzer Dirk Hogrefe Dieter IBM Zurich Res. Lab. Deutsche Telekom Institut fuer Telematik Hou Jennifer Houatra Drissa HU X.-D. Ohio State Univ. CNET(France Telecom) Chinese Academy of Sci. Huang Chung-Ming Huang Yih Huynh D.T. Nat'l Cheng Kung U. George Mason Univ. U. of Texas-Dallas Jacob Lillykutty Jain Raj Jakobs Kai Nat'l U. of Singapore Ohio State Univ. Technical U. of Aachen Jennings Esther Jia Xiaohua Kao Ming-Yang CA Polytechnic,Pomona City U. of Hong Kong Yale University Khalil Eha A. Khendek Ferhat Kim Jaime Menoufia University Concordia Univ. CA State U.,Northridge Kim Tag Gon Koenig Hartmut Kone Ousmane KAIST, Korea Brandenburg U.of Tech. Inst. Nat'l Polytech. Krishnamurthi Govind Laurini Robert Lee Gyungho Nokia Research Center Claude B. Univ. of Lyon Iowa State Univ. Levi Albert Li J. Jenny Liu Kevin H. Oregon S.U./Bogazici U. Telcordia Technologies Telcordia Tech. Lorenz Pascal Luijten Ronald P. Manimaran G. U. of Haute Alsace IBM Zurich res. lab Iowa State Univ. Masuyama Hiroshi Modiano Eytan Moh Melody Tottori University MIT San Jose St. U./3Com Mohan G. Mohapatra Prasant Mosse Daniel Regional Eng. College Michigan State Univ. U. of Pittsburgh Carr-Motyckova Lenka Murthy C. Siva Ram Obaidat Mohammad S. Linkoping U.,Sweden IIT, Madras Monmouth Univ. Ozegovic Julije Paris Jehan-Francois Peng Wuxu FESB Split Univ. of Houston Southwest Texas St. U. Prakash Ravi Qiao Chunming Raghavendra C. S. U. of Texas-Dallas SUNY-Buffalo USC Rahouma Kamel Hussein Ramamurthy Byrav Richardson Paul Univ. of Salzburg U. of Nebraska-Lincoln U. of Michigan-Dearborn Rothermel Kurt Sanneck Henning Saran Huzur U. of Stuttgart GMD Fokus IIT, Delhi Schaller Sibylle Scotton Paolo Seckin Gamze NEC IBM Res. Div.-Zurich Arizona State Univ. Shiomoto Kohei Sivalingam Krishna Somani Arun K NTT Network Lab. Washington State U. Iowa State Univ. Stojmenovic Ivan Su David Subramaniam Suresh Univ. of Ottawa NIST George Washington U. Tseng Yu-Chee Turck Filip De Vandalore Bobby Nat'l Central Univ. University Of Gent Ohio State Univ. Varada Srihari Wang Zheng Wigglesworth Joe TranSwitch Corp. Bell Labs IBM Toronto Lab. Wolf Michael Xue Guoliang Yamamoto Miki DaimlerChrysler Res. Univ. of Vermont Osaka University Yang Oliver Yang Yuanyuan Youn Hee Yong Univ. of Ottawa SUNY-Stony Brook Info.& Comm. U.,Korea Yuan Xin Yun Kenneth Yurcik Bill Florida State Univ. U. of CA, San Diego Illinois State Univ. Zeadally Sherali Zomaya Albert Y. Wayne State Univ. U. of Western Australia -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf Wed Mar 01 15:09:10 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 01 15:09:10 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QI9U-00003Q-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:03:32 -0800 Received: from babbage.csee.usf.edu [131.247.3.2] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QI9T-000036-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:03:31 -0800 Received: from kjc (kjc [131.247.3.42]) by babbage.csee.usf.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21816; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:02:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000301180213.00b6d9e0@babbage.csee.usf.edu> X-Sender: christen@babbage.csee.usf.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:03:23 -0500 To: alg@comm.toronto.edu, apc@ee.nthu.edu.tw, apc_members@hornbill.ee.nus.sg, cabernet-general@newcastle.ac.uk, ccrc@dworkin.wustl.edu, cellular@comnets.rwth-aachen.de, cnom@maestro.bellcore.com, commsoft@cc.bellcore.com, comsoc-chapters@ieee.org, comsoc-gicb@ieee.org, comsoc.tac@tab.ieee.org, comswtc@gmu.edu, cost237-transport@comp.lancs.ac.uk, ctc-members@redbank.tinac.com, enternet@bbn.com, f-troup@codex.cis.upenn.edu, fokus-user@fokus.gmd.de, g-troup@ccrc.wustl.edu, giga@tele.pitt.edu, hipparch@sophia.inria.fr, ieee_rtc_list@cs.tamu.edu, ieeetcpc@ccvm.sunysb.edu, isadsoc@fokus.gmd.de, itc@fokus.gmd.de, multicomm@cc.bellcore.com, osimcast@bbn.com, performance@haven.epm.ornl.gov, rem-conf@es.net, reres@laas.fr, sb.all@ieee.org, sc6wg4@ntd.comsat.com, sigmedia@bellcore.com, xtp-relay@cs.concordia.ca From: Ken Christensen Subject: CFP - IEEE Local Computer Networks Conference (LCN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list CALL FOR PAPERS LCN 2000 The 25th Annual IEEE Conference on Local Computer Networks November 8 - 10, 2000 Embassy Suites USF, Tampa, Florida http://www.ieeelcn.org Sponsored by the IEEE Computer Society with support from GTE Data Services, Paradyne Corporation, and the University of South Florida College of Engineering. Important dates: ---------------- Paper submission: May 19, 2000 Notification of acceptance: July 14, 2000 Camera-ready copy due: August 18, 2000 General Information: -------------------- The IEEE LCN conference is the premier conference on leading edge and practical computer networking. The emphasis of this conference is on practical solutions to important problems in computer networking. During the 25 years of this conference, we have moved from problems in the local network to problems in the global Internet and World Wide Web. Our unique approach stimulates a workshop environment and enables an effective interchange among researchers, users, and product developers. We encourage you to submit original papers describing research results or practical solutions. Paper topics include, but are not limited to: - Local Area Networks - Home Networks - Wireless Networks - Storage Area Networks - Optical Networks - Realtime Networks - Active Networks - ATM - Gigabit Ethernet - LAN/WAN Internetworking - DSL Technologies - Network Management - Network Security - Network Reliability - Multicasting - Enabling QoS in High-Speed Networks - Always On / Always Connected - Internet / Intranet - Anything-over-IP - IP-over-Anything - Performance Evaluation - Protocol Design and Validation Authors are invited to submit full or short papers for presentation at the conference. Full papers should present novel perspectives on computer networking within the general scope of the conference topics listed above and may be up to 10 camera-ready pages in length. Short papers are an opportunity to present preliminary or interim results and are limited to 2 camera-ready pages in length. All papers will be reviewed by a minimum of three reviewers. A best paper award will be presented. Several student travel scholarships will be available courtesy of the LCN corporate supporters. All submitted papers must include title, complete contact information for all authors, abstract, and keywords on the cover page. The correspondence author must be clearly identified. Paper Submission Instructions: ------------------------------ Email one postscript version of your manuscript to the program chair at christen@csee.usf.edu. Alternatively, send five hard copies via postal mail to: Dr. Kenneth J. Christensen Department of Computer Science and Engineering 4202 East Fowler Avenue, ENB 118 University of South Florida Tampa, FL 33620 Tutorials: ---------- LCN 2000 will begin with one full day of tutorials. Individuals interested in giving a tutorial should contact the Tutorials Chair (Garry Kessler at kessler@symquest.com). LCN 2000 Committee: ------------------- General Chair: F. Huebner, AT&T (fhuebner@att.com) Program Chairs: K. Christensen, USF (christen@csee.usf.edu) P. Martini, Univ. of Bonn (martini@informatik.uni-bonn.de) IEEE Liaison: J. Bumblis, Seagate (Joseph_R_Bumblis@notes.seagate.com) Finance Chair: K. Prasad, UMass-Lowell (Kanti_Prasad@uml.edu) Tutorials Chair: G. Kessler, SymQuest (kessler@symquest.com) Panels Chairs: J. W. Atwood, Concordia (bill@cs.concordia.ca) T. Strayer, BBN (strayer@bbn.com) Arrangements Chairs: K. Christensen, USF (christen@csee.usf.edu) R. Sankar, USF (sankar@csee.usf.edu) Webmaster: G. Kessler, SymQuest (kessler@symquest.com) Overseas Advisors: S. Jha, UNSW, (Australia) (sjha@cse.unsw.edu.au) P. Martini, Univ of Bonn, (Europe) (martini@informatik.uni-bonn.de) Standing Committee: M. McKee, Bowling Green E. Nolley, Strategic Growth H. Salwen, OpenRoute From rem-conf Wed Mar 01 17:57:30 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 01 17:57:30 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QKmQ-0002T9-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:51:54 -0800 Received: from firefly.cisco.com [171.69.63.22] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QKmP-0002Ss-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:51:53 -0800 Received: from casner-pc.cisco.com (casner-pc.cisco.com [171.71.37.112]) by firefly.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA07365; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:47:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:50:51 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: Stephen Casner To: Sylvie Brunelle cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: RTP/RTCP In-Reply-To: <38BD53DD.2C30CDE1@jungle.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: Sender: casner@ursamajor.cisco.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Sylvie Brunelle wrote: > I was wondering if the 5 seconds limit for the RTCP transmission > interval is definite. I think so (cf. Annex 7) but I prefer to check. > > Otherwise how will that be in the case of the unicast case? Is the limit > of 5 seconds still in use? This has been modified in the Internet-Draft which revises RFC 1889, draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-06.txt and .ps, though there are still recommended constraints. > RTP and RTCP use different port but what about the multicast address? I > think they have the same one. Is that right? Same. The idea of using different ones for some applications has been discussed at various points in RTP's development, but to this point, we have decided not to add that complication. -- Steve From rem-conf Wed Mar 01 18:00:55 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 01 18:00:54 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QKsa-0002bd-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:58:16 -0800 Received: from firefly.cisco.com [171.69.63.22] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QKsZ-0002Vz-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:58:15 -0800 Received: from casner-pc.cisco.com (casner-pc.cisco.com [171.71.37.112]) by firefly.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA07767; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:56:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:59:49 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: Stephen Casner To: Matthias.Lang@ericsson.com cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: RTP/RTCP In-Reply-To: <14525.29386.78951.596101@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: Sender: casner@ursamajor.cisco.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 Matthias.Lang@ericsson.com wrote: > This seems to mean that in this case the interval is randomly varied between > > 1/(2* (e-3/2)) and 3/((2* (e-3/2)) of 5 seconds Hmmm, I suppose the 5 second constant should be multiplied by (e-3/2) to compensate. Details, details. > I couldn't figure out which parts of sections 6.2 and 6.3 are > mandatory for unicast and which ones aren't. Under 6.3: > > An implementation that allows operation in > a multicast environment or a multipoint unicast environment > MUST meet the scalability goals described in Section 6.2 > [...] > An implementation which is constrained to two-party unicast > operation MAY omit this algorithm. Specifically, "this algorithm" is referring to the "timer reconsideration" algorithm. > The hard part is figuring which parts of 6.2 are "scalability goals" > and which parts aren't. 6.3.1 specifies how to calculate the RTCP > transmission interval, but again it seems to be addressing the same > scaleability goals that unicast implementations are allowed to ignore. We should make this more clear. > I wound up implementing the algorithm for multicast because that > seemed easier than guessing which parts of the spec apply to > unicast and which parts don't, but I'd be interested to hear an > interpretation of the spec which lets me do something simpler. I'm glad you did! I'd like to see all implementations be prepared to operate in multicast mode because sooner or later somebody is likely to take an implementation that was not prepared for multicast and use it with multicast, causing problems. That's a philosophy we tried to evoke in the RTP spec without mandating it. -- Steve From rem-conf Thu Mar 02 10:26:38 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 02 10:26:37 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Qa6Y-0004Ts-00; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:13:42 -0800 Received: from gumby.cs.berkeley.edu [128.32.32.38] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Qa6X-0004Ti-00; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:13:41 -0800 Received: from sockeye (sockeye.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.36.74]) by gumby.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA09744; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:59:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000302100000.00ab5240@plateau.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: florissa@plateau.cs.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:00:00 -0800 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: Florissa Colina Subject: 3/8 UC Extension Online: A Case Study in Online Program Development -- Mary Beth Almeda, Center for Media and Independent Learning, UC Berkeley Extension Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Berkeley Multimedia Interfaces and Graphics Seminar UC Extension Online: A Case Study in Online Program Development Wednesday March 8, 2000, 1:10 - 2:30 PST Fujitsu Seminar Room (405 Soda Hall) Mary Beth Almeda Center for Media and Independent Learning, UC Berkeley Extension UC Extension Online launched its first program site for online courses in January 1996 with nine courses ranging from hazardous materials management to critical thinking. To date, the program has designed and developed more than 120 online courses offered on two sites: the original site on America Online (keyword: ucx) and an Internet site (http://learn.berkeley.edu/). More than 4,500 students have enrolled since the start of the program, and enrollments for FY2000-2001 are projected to be 4,000. Mary Beth Almeda, Director of UC Extension's Center for Media and Independent Learning, where the project is housed, will describe the development of the project, the range of services and support needed for a successful program, and some of the issues facing the program as it expands and institutionalizes its operations. Kathleen Rose, Instructional Support Manager, will discuss instructor selection, training, and support. Larry Cooperman, Manager of Instructional Technology Development will demonstrate selected courses to show how online features have been integrated into the learning process. --------------- The seminar is broadcast live on the Internet Mbone and as a Real Networks G2 broadcast. You can connect to the live RealNetworks broadcast at: http://media2.bmrc.berkeley.edu/bibs/schedule.cfm You'll see a link to cs298-5/real networks/live programs. You can also directly put in this url into the Real Player: rtsp://media2.bmrc.berkeley.edu/encoder/cs298-5.rm To do so you will need to have the "Real Player G2" installed, which is available from: http://www.real.com/products/player/downloadrealplayer.html To tune into the Internet MBone broadcast, look for the announcement in your MBone session directory program ('sdr'). If you are not receiving the announcement you may be able to receive the session by manually configuring the client programs ('vic', and 'vat') with the session addresses: low bit rate video: 233.0.25.1/22334 audio: 233.0.25.2/22446 medium bit rate video: 233.0.25.129/22334 audio: 233.0.25.2/22446 You can get further information about this seminar, and access to replays of previous seminars at the MIG Seminar web page: http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/298/index.html Sponsored by the Berkeley Multimedia Research Center From rem-conf Thu Mar 02 14:07:41 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 02 14:07:40 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Qdb2-0007ZD-00; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:57:24 -0800 Received: from lila.east.isi.edu [38.245.76.15] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Qdaz-0007Yw-00; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:57:23 -0800 Received: from eis-msg-014.jpl.nasa.gov (eis-msg-014.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.160.158]) by lila.east.isi.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA03671 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from oaodns ([137.79.10.231]) by eis-msg-014.jpl.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12125; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:44:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000302144922.00ac47e0@pop.jpl.nasa.gov> X-Sender: ahooke@pop.jpl.nasa.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:43:47 -0500 To: mmaeda From: "Adrian J. Hooke" Subject: Re: ngi seminar telcast: Vint Cerf - Interplanetary Internet Cc: "'ngi-list@ngi-supernet.org'" In-Reply-To: <71FB3F91A596D211960208002BB91BA39B364D@msx-4.darpa.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Mari: The Powerpoint (7) slides from the 01 March talk by Vint Cerf are available at: http://ccsds1.gsfc.nasa.gov/ftp/ccsds/p1f/IPN/NSF%2003-00/ Apologies for the slow server, which is very definitely part of the Last Generation Internet. Best regards Adrian J. Hooke Manager, DARPA-NASA InterPlaNetary Internet (IPN) Project Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Telecommunications and Mission Operations Directorate M/S 303-400, 4800 Oak Grove Drive Pasadena, California 91109-8099, USA +1.818.354.3063 voice; +1.818.393.3575 fax http://www.ipnsig.org From rem-conf Thu Mar 02 15:49:40 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 02 15:49:39 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QfIL-0001OH-00; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:46:13 -0800 Received: from lila.east.isi.edu [38.245.76.15] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QfIJ-0001O5-00; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:46:12 -0800 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by lila.east.isi.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA03828 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ISI.EDU (ace.isi.edu [128.9.160.203]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA07039; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:41:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003022341.PAA07039@boreas.isi.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Adrian J. Hooke" cc: mmaeda , "'ngi-list@ngi-supernet.org'" , alba@ISI.EDU Reply-To: kemp@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: ngi seminar telcast: Vint Cerf - Interplanetary Internet In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:43:47 -0500. <4.2.2.20000302144922.00ac47e0@pop.jpl.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:41:16 -0800 From: Joe Kemp X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hi, Several people here have sun machines and can not view the slides. Can you make an .HTML or .PDF file so that people with other platforms can view the slides? Thank you, --Joe Kemp From rem-conf Fri Mar 03 05:43:56 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Mar 03 05:43:55 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QsFu-0001kl-00; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 05:36:34 -0800 Received: from luna.host4u.net [216.71.64.45] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12QsFt-0001kb-00; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 05:36:33 -0800 Received: from toy (jgateadsl.cais.net [205.252.5.196]) by luna.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05721; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:36:29 -0600 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000303083225.00be4f00@ib-pop> X-Sender: lberger@mail.labn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:36:18 -0500 To: rem-conf@es.net From: Lou Berger Subject: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-berger-mpls-hdr-comp-00.txt Cc: lberger@labn.net, Jason Jeffords Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list FYI - We've asked for a slot to present this in Adelaide. The rfc2509 equivalent companion document should be announce in a day or so and is available at http://www.labn.net/docs/draft-berger-mpls-hdr-comp-over-ppp-00.txt in the interim. Lou >To: IETF-Announce: ; >From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-berger-mpls-hdr-comp-00.txt >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 06:57:36 -0500 >Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. > > > Title : MPLS/IP Header Compression > Author(s) : L. Berger, J. Jeffords > Filename : draft-berger-mpls-hdr-comp-00.txt > Pages : 14 > Date : 14-Jan-00 > >This document describes a method for compressing the headers of IP >datagrams that are being transported over MPLS. This work extends >the existing IP and IP/UDP/RTP header compression techniques, as >defined in [RFC2507] and [RFC2508], to operate over and to compress >MPLS label stack entries. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-berger-mpls-hdr-comp-00.txt > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username >"anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, >type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-berger-mpls-hdr-comp-00.txt". > >A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in >http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > >Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > >Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. >In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-berger-mpls-hdr-comp-00.txt". > >NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. 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The session will be live from 8:00 AM EST to 10:30 AM EST on Tuesday, March 7, 2000. The session includes presentations of the John Tyndall Award and OSA, IEEE/LEOS and IEEE/ComSoc fellowships as well as keynote talks by -Clayton M. Christensen, Harvard Business School, -George Gilder, Gilder Technology Group, Inc., -Vinod Khosla, Kleiner, Perkins, Caulfield and Byers. 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  From rem-conf Sun Mar 05 19:57:49 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Mar 05 19:57:49 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12RodR-0000D3-00; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:56:45 -0800 Received: from lila.east.isi.edu [38.245.76.15] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12RodQ-0000Ct-00; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:56:44 -0800 Received: from eis-msg-014.jpl.nasa.gov (eis-msg-014.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.160.158]) by lila.east.isi.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA11084 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from oaodns (jpl-remote-145.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.201.145]) by eis-msg-014.jpl.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03931; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:52:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000305125450.00b1b700@pop.jpl.nasa.gov> X-Sender: ahooke@pop.jpl.nasa.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 20:51:51 -0700 To: kemp@isi.edu From: "Adrian J. Hooke" Subject: Re: ngi seminar telcast: Vint Cerf - Interplanetary Internet Cc: "Adrian J. Hooke" , mmaeda , "'ngi-list@ngi-supernet.org'" , alba@isi.edu, ipn-team@list.jpl.nasa.gov In-Reply-To: <200003022341.PAA07039@boreas.isi.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list At 01:41 PM 00/03/02 -0800, Joe Kemp wrote: >Several people here have sun machines and can not view the slides. Can you >make >an .HTML or .PDF file so that people with other platforms can view the slides? ------ Joe: Web versions of Vint's slides are now available at: http://www.spaceref.com/ipn/03.01.2000.cerf/ Many thanks to Keith Cowing and Marc Boucher of SpaceRef for converting the PPT slides into a more accessible format. I also understand from these guys that there will be an article about Vint's lecture on the SpaceRef.com news site on Monday. Best regards, Adrian J. Hooke Manager, DARPA-NASA InterPlaNetary Internet (IPN) Project Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Telecommunications and Mission Operations Directorate M/S 303-400, 4800 Oak Grove Drive Pasadena, California 91109-8099, USA +1.818.354.3063 voice; +1.818.393.3575 fax http://www.ipnsig.org From rem-conf Sun Mar 05 19:59:00 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Mar 05 19:59:00 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Rof9-0000Jn-00; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:58:31 -0800 Received: from lila.east.isi.edu [38.245.76.15] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Rof7-0000IS-00; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:58:29 -0800 Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66]) by lila.east.isi.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA11093 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from cooley.com ([24.14.250.143]) by mail.rdc1.az.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000306035518.KVPD21214.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cooley.com> for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:55:18 -0800 Message-ID: <38C31E84.9E5FE409@cooley.com> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 19:57:09 -0700 From: Brad Biddle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'ngi-list@ngi-supernet.org'" Subject: Re: telcast of OFC Plenary: Gilder, Khosla, Christensen keynote talks References: <71FB3F91A596D211960208002BB91BA39B36D0@msx-4.darpa.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Sorry to send this to the list, but could someone send me subscription info for this list and/or unsubscribe me? Messages to "listserv" and "listproc" @ngi-supernet.org didn't do the trick. The content of this list is certainly unoffensive, but I don't recall ever signing up for this, and I'm overwhelmed with e-mail as it is. Thanks in advance. --Brad mmaeda wrote: > Folks, > > We will be broadcasting the Plenary Session and Awards Ceremony of the > Optical Society of America's Optical Fiber Communications-2000 > in Baltimore. The session will be live from 8:00 AM EST to 10:30 AM EST on > Tuesday, March 7, 2000. > The session includes presentations of the John Tyndall Award and OSA, > IEEE/LEOS and IEEE/ComSoc fellowships as well as keynote talks by > > -Clayton M. Christensen, Harvard Business School, > -George Gilder, Gilder Technology Group, Inc., > -Vinod Khosla, Kleiner, Perkins, Caulfield and Byers. > > Complete program details can be found at > http://www.osa.org/mtg_conf/OFC/2000/gen/session.htm > > Broadcast details can be found at > http://www.ngi-supernet.org/conferences.html > > Mari Maeda > DARPA -- Brad Biddle v: 602.749.9103 f: 602.532.7322 This message may contain privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please delete it and notify me. 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------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01BF8756.6E540300-- From rem-conf Mon Mar 06 06:02:37 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 06 06:02:37 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Ry2y-0007GI-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 05:59:44 -0800 Received: from lila.east.isi.edu [38.245.76.15] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Ry2x-0007G2-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 05:59:43 -0800 Received: from exchange1.onr.navy.mil (exchange1.onr.navy.mil [131.250.16.87]) by lila.east.isi.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA12150 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by exchange1.onr.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:53:46 -0500 Message-ID: <7BF311072972D311961C0020482D02C642A10B@exchange2.onr.navy.mil> From: "Quinn, Paul" To: "'Brad Biddle'" , "'ngi-list@ngi-supernet.org'" Subject: RE: telcast of OFC Plenary: Gilder, Khosla, Christensen keynote t alks Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:53:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list ditto... paul w. quinn -----Original Message----- From: Brad Biddle [mailto:biddle@cooley.com] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 9:57 PM To: 'ngi-list@ngi-supernet.org' Subject: Re: telcast of OFC Plenary: Gilder, Khosla, Christensen keynote talks Sorry to send this to the list, but could someone send me subscription info for this list and/or unsubscribe me? Messages to "listserv" and "listproc" @ngi-supernet.org didn't do the trick. The content of this list is certainly unoffensive, but I don't recall ever signing up for this, and I'm overwhelmed with e-mail as it is. Thanks in advance. --Brad mmaeda wrote: > Folks, > > We will be broadcasting the Plenary Session and Awards Ceremony of the > Optical Society of America's Optical Fiber Communications-2000 > in Baltimore. The session will be live from 8:00 AM EST to 10:30 AM EST on > Tuesday, March 7, 2000. > The session includes presentations of the John Tyndall Award and OSA, > IEEE/LEOS and IEEE/ComSoc fellowships as well as keynote talks by > > -Clayton M. Christensen, Harvard Business School, > -George Gilder, Gilder Technology Group, Inc., > -Vinod Khosla, Kleiner, Perkins, Caulfield and Byers. > > Complete program details can be found at > http://www.osa.org/mtg_conf/OFC/2000/gen/session.htm > > Broadcast details can be found at > http://www.ngi-supernet.org/conferences.html > > Mari Maeda > DARPA -- Brad Biddle v: 602.749.9103 f: 602.532.7322 This message may contain privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please delete it and notify me. From rem-conf Mon Mar 06 06:30:46 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 06 06:30:46 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12RyW0-0000MC-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 06:29:44 -0800 Received: from lila.east.isi.edu [38.245.76.15] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12RyVz-0000M2-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 06:29:43 -0800 Received: from saul.cis.upenn.edu (SAUL.CIS.UPENN.EDU [158.130.12.4]) by lila.east.isi.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA12193 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from cis.upenn.edu (SAUL.CIS.UPENN.EDU [158.130.12.4]) by saul.cis.upenn.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06896 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:24:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C3E985.CAA4581E@cis.upenn.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:23:17 -0800 From: "Carl A. Gunter" Reply-To: gunter@cis.upenn.edu Organization: University of Pennsylvania X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'ngi-list@ngi-supernet.org'" Subject: Re: telcast of OFC Plenary: Gilder, Khosla, Christensen keynote talks References: <7BF311072972D311961C0020482D02C642A10B@exchange2.onr.navy.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list It would be kind if the creator of this ngi-list would tell us how to get off of it without broadcasting to everyone. thanks, carl gunter "Quinn, Paul" wrote: > > ditto... paul w. quinn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Biddle [mailto:biddle@cooley.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 9:57 PM > To: 'ngi-list@ngi-supernet.org' > Subject: Re: telcast of OFC Plenary: Gilder, Khosla, Christensen keynote > talks > > Sorry to send this to the list, but could someone send me subscription info > for > this list and/or unsubscribe me? Messages to "listserv" and "listproc" > @ngi-supernet.org didn't do the trick. The content of this list is certainly > unoffensive, but I don't recall ever signing up for this, and I'm > overwhelmed > with e-mail as it is. Thanks in advance. > > --Brad > > mmaeda wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > We will be broadcasting the Plenary Session and Awards Ceremony of the > > Optical Society of America's Optical Fiber Communications-2000 > > in Baltimore. The session will be live from 8:00 AM EST to 10:30 AM EST > on > > Tuesday, March 7, 2000. > > The session includes presentations of the John Tyndall Award and OSA, > > IEEE/LEOS and IEEE/ComSoc fellowships as well as keynote talks by > > > > -Clayton M. Christensen, Harvard Business School, > > -George Gilder, Gilder Technology Group, Inc., > > -Vinod Khosla, Kleiner, Perkins, Caulfield and Byers. > > > > Complete program details can be found at > > http://www.osa.org/mtg_conf/OFC/2000/gen/session.htm > > > > Broadcast details can be found at > > http://www.ngi-supernet.org/conferences.html > > > > Mari Maeda > > DARPA > > -- > Brad Biddle > v: 602.749.9103 f: 602.532.7322 > > This message may contain privileged and confidential information. If you > have > received it in error, please delete it and notify me. From rem-conf Mon Mar 06 07:45:21 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 06 07:45:20 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Rzdq-0001Yx-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:41:54 -0800 Received: from (fire.integralaccess.com) [63.160.25.239] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Rzdn-0001YY-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:41:51 -0800 Received: from akankkunen [192.168.1.124] by fire.integralaccess.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A1D4BB0114; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:42:12 -0500 From: "Antti Kankkunen" To: Subject: VoMPLS Framework ID Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:43:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list FYI. (Please note also that there is going to be a VoMPLS BOF in Adelaide.) >To: IETF-Announce: ; >From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-kankkunen-vompls-fw-00.txt >Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:32:20 -0500 >Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. > > > Title : Voice over MPLS Framework > Author(s) : A. Kankkunen, G. Ash, J. Hopkins, > B. Rosen, D. Stacey, A. Yelundur, L. Berger > Filename : draft-kankkunen-vompls-fw-00.txt > Pages : 51 > Date : 01-Mar-00 > >This document provides a Framework for using MPLS as the >underlying technology for transporting IP based public voice >services. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kankkunen-vompls-fw-00.txt > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username >"anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > >Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >Internet-Draft. >Content-Type: text/plain >Content-ID: <20000301084456.I-D@ietf.org> > >ENCODING mime >FILE /internet-drafts/draft-kankkunen-vompls-fw-00.txt > > Best regards, Antti K. ------------------- Antti Kankkunen Integral Access Inc. 6 Omni Way Chelmsford, MA 01824 Phone: +1 978 256 8833 x 232 Mobile: +1 617 513 2172 Fax: +1 978 256 8077 e-mail: anttik@integralaccess.com From rem-conf Mon Mar 06 08:56:26 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 06 08:56:25 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S0ks-0002pv-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:53:14 -0800 Received: from lila.east.isi.edu [38.245.76.15] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S0kp-0002pa-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:53:12 -0800 Received: from thalia.fm.intel.com (thalia.fm.intel.com [132.233.247.11]) by lila.east.isi.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA12428 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from SMTP (fmsmsxvs05-1.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.205]) by thalia.fm.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.19 2000/01/29 00:15:43 dmccart Exp $) with SMTP id QAA15862 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:46:05 GMT Received: from fmsmsx28.FM.INTEL.COM ([132.233.48.28]) by 132.233.48.205 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:45:23 0000 (GMT) Received: by fmsmsx28.fm.intel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:45:22 -0800 Message-ID: <11652883D8DDD311AC42009027C67FF6230D1D@orsmsx58.jf.intel.com> From: "Brickell, Ernie" To: "'ngi-list@ngi-supernet.org'" Subject: RE: telcast of OFC Plenary: Gilder, Khosla, Christensen keynote t alks Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:45:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list A broadcast message with instructions for unsubscribing is necessary. There appear to be many people on this list who would like to unsubscribe. --Ernie Brickell -----Original Message----- From: Carl A. Gunter [mailto:gunter@cis.upenn.edu] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 9:23 AM To: 'ngi-list@ngi-supernet.org' Subject: Re: telcast of OFC Plenary: Gilder, Khosla, Christensen keynote talks It would be kind if the creator of this ngi-list would tell us how to get off of it without broadcasting to everyone. thanks, carl gunter "Quinn, Paul" wrote: > > ditto... paul w. quinn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Biddle [mailto:biddle@cooley.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 9:57 PM > To: 'ngi-list@ngi-supernet.org' > Subject: Re: telcast of OFC Plenary: Gilder, Khosla, Christensen keynote > talks > > Sorry to send this to the list, but could someone send me subscription info > for > this list and/or unsubscribe me? Messages to "listserv" and "listproc" > @ngi-supernet.org didn't do the trick. The content of this list is certainly > unoffensive, but I don't recall ever signing up for this, and I'm > overwhelmed > with e-mail as it is. Thanks in advance. > > --Brad > > mmaeda wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > We will be broadcasting the Plenary Session and Awards Ceremony of the > > Optical Society of America's Optical Fiber Communications-2000 > > in Baltimore. The session will be live from 8:00 AM EST to 10:30 AM EST > on > > Tuesday, March 7, 2000. > > The session includes presentations of the John Tyndall Award and OSA, > > IEEE/LEOS and IEEE/ComSoc fellowships as well as keynote talks by > > > > -Clayton M. Christensen, Harvard Business School, > > -George Gilder, Gilder Technology Group, Inc., > > -Vinod Khosla, Kleiner, Perkins, Caulfield and Byers. > > > > Complete program details can be found at > > http://www.osa.org/mtg_conf/OFC/2000/gen/session.htm > > > > Broadcast details can be found at > > http://www.ngi-supernet.org/conferences.html > > > > Mari Maeda > > DARPA > > -- > Brad Biddle > v: 602.749.9103 f: 602.532.7322 > > This message may contain privileged and confidential information. If you > have > received it in error, please delete it and notify me. From rem-conf Mon Mar 06 09:25:13 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 06 09:25:12 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S1EK-0003nH-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:23:40 -0800 Received: from lila.east.isi.edu [38.245.76.15] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S1EJ-0003mz-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:23:39 -0800 Received: from east.isi.edu (east.isi.edu [38.245.76.2]) by lila.east.isi.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA12558 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:18:57 -0500 (EST) From: mankin@ISI.EDU Received: from maia.east.isi.edu (maia.east.isi.edu [38.245.76.14]) by east.isi.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id MAA14501; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:19:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 00 12:20:42 EST Posted-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 00 12:20:42 EST Message-Id: <10003061720.AA28204@maia.east.isi.edu> Received: by maia.east.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-6) id ; Mon, 6 Mar 00 12:20:42 EST To: ngi-list@ngi-supernet.org Subject: NGI-list Information (was Re: telecast of OFC Plenary) Cc: mankin@ISI.EDU X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list We apologize to those perturbed by finding themselves on an undesired mailing list. It is actually an alias that we hoped would facilitate sending a small number of announcements of multicast presentations. Unwisely, the ngi-list alias included rem-conf@es.net, because of the tradition of announcing multicast events there. We will uncouple rem-conf from the ngi-list alias. Others who wish to make sure they do not receive email about these Next Generation Internet multicast programs, send a note to ngi-seminar-rsvp@isi.edu. (continue) Please avoid increasing anyone's frustration by sending more mail to ngi-list. Thank you. Allison Mankin USC/ISI From rem-conf Mon Mar 06 09:25:14 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 06 09:25:13 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S1Eh-0003nf-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:24:03 -0800 Received: from lila.east.isi.edu [38.245.76.15] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S1Ef-0003nV-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:24:01 -0800 Received: from technet.tjhsst.edu (root@technet.tjhsst.edu [151.188.14.120]) by lila.east.isi.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA12555 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:17:55 -0500 (EST) From: jstevens@lan.tjhsst.edu Received: from lan.tjhsst.edu (lan.tjhsst.edu [151.188.14.12]) by technet.tjhsst.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15284 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:17:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200003061717.MAA15284@technet.tjhsst.edu> Received: from TJHSST_SCIENCE/SpoolDir by lan.tjhsst.edu (Mercury 1.44); 6 Mar 00 12:11:05 EST Received: from SpoolDir by TJHSST_SCIENCE (Mercury 1.44); 6 Mar 00 12:11:00 EST Organization: TJHSST DOMAIN To: ngi-list@ngi-supernet.org Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:10:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Removal from list Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Someone placed my name on this list and I am getting mail that I do not want. How do I get my name removed? Thanks, Jean Stevens From rem-conf Mon Mar 06 14:48:17 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 06 14:48:17 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S67C-0000fN-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:36:38 -0800 Received: from reddot.dynamicsoft.com [216.89.83.6] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S67B-0000fB-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:36:37 -0800 Received: from dynamicsoft.com (1Cust93.tnt2.freehold.nj.da.uu.net [63.17.114.93]) by reddot.dynamicsoft.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id RAA22017 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:36:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C4343C.424B7DB5@dynamicsoft.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:42:04 -0500 From: Jonathan Rosenberg Organization: dynamicsoft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: [Fwd: INVITE with RTP RR's to a different address ...] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5B67B055B1221FBB069E4B70" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5B67B055B1221FBB069E4B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, this is a discussion more for rem-conf than SIP. -Jonathan R. -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg 200 Executive Drive Chief Scientist Suite 120 dynamicsoft West Orange, NJ 07052 jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (732) 741-4778 http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (732) 741-7244 http://www.dynamicsoft.com --------------5B67B055B1221FBB069E4B70 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7ps1.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: paleoalterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) id QQifju05095 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:42:36 GMT Received: from ns.fmmo.ca by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: www.fmmo.ca [207.253.160.156]) id QQifju22154 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:42:35 GMT Received: from localhost (fm-listproc@localhost) by ns.fmmo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11741; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:46:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:46:32 -0500 (EST) From: Francois Menard List Account To: Jonathan Rosenberg cc: Henning Schulzrinne , "'sip@lists.research.bell-labs.com'" Subject: Re: INVITE with RTP RR's to a different address ... In-Reply-To: <38C2DC68.973CB2F7@dynamicsoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Does anybody oppose the idea of designing a specific way to do this ... I know that RTCP has to be managed end-to-end, but there are good instances where capturing the RTCP feedback in a central repository is better than doing Netflow analysis ... -=Francois=- On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: > You can easily have both the RTP and RTCP go to one IP address, > different than the SIP originator (media will go to the address listed > in the SDP). However, there is no way to have the RTP and RTCP go to > different addresses. > > -Jonathan R. > > Francois Menard List Account wrote: > > > > Is there a quick way to require the RTP RR's to go to a different IP > > address than the originating party through a SIP INVITE ? > > > > -=Francois=- > > -- > Jonathan D. Rosenberg 200 Executive Drive > Chief Scientist Suite 120 > dynamicsoft West Orange, NJ 07052 > jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (732) 741-4778 > http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (732) 741-7244 > http://www.dynamicsoft.com > --------------5B67B055B1221FBB069E4B70-- From rem-conf Mon Mar 06 15:18:00 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 06 15:18:00 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S6hr-0001Zc-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:14:31 -0800 Received: from reddot.dynamicsoft.com [216.89.83.6] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S6hm-0001ZS-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:14:26 -0800 Received: from dynamicsoft.com (1Cust93.tnt2.freehold.nj.da.uu.net [63.17.114.93]) by reddot.dynamicsoft.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id SAA22215 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:14:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C43D1E.E295D24D@dynamicsoft.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 18:19:58 -0500 From: Jonathan Rosenberg Organization: dynamicsoft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: [Fwd: INVITE with RTP RR's to a different address ...] References: <38C4343C.424B7DB5@dynamicsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list There are several reasons why I'm not sure this is the best approach: 1. RRs are needed end to end to enable application adaptation 2. If you want centralized access to the feedback, then have the end system implement the RTP MIB, and collect the data through that. 3. RRs must be end to end for multicast. I don't like special casing unicast. -Jonathan R. Francois Menard wrote: > Does anybody oppose the idea of designing a specific way to do this ... I > know that RTCP has to be managed end-to-end, but there are good instances > where capturing the RTCP feedback in a central repository is better > than doing Netflow analysis ... > > -=Francois=- > > On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: > > > You can easily have both the RTP and RTCP go to one IP address, > > different than the SIP originator (media will go to the address listed > > in the SDP). However, there is no way to have the RTP and RTCP go to > > different addresses. > > > > -Jonathan R. > > > > Francois Menard List Account wrote: > > > > > > Is there a quick way to require the RTP RR's to go to a different IP > > > address than the originating party through a SIP INVITE ? > > > > > > -=Francois=- > > > > -- > > Jonathan D. Rosenberg 200 Executive Drive > > Chief Scientist Suite 120 > > dynamicsoft West Orange, NJ 07052 > > jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (732) 741-4778 > > http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (732) 741-7244 > > http://www.dynamicsoft.com > > -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg 200 Executive Drive Chief Scientist Suite 120 dynamicsoft West Orange, NJ 07052 jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (732) 741-4778 http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (732) 741-7244 http://www.dynamicsoft.com From rem-conf Mon Mar 06 15:46:35 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 06 15:46:35 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S7Ar-0002TG-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:44:29 -0800 Received: from inet-smtp1.oracle.com [209.246.15.57] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S7Al-0002T2-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:44:23 -0800 Received: from usmail04.us.oracle.com (usmail04.us.oracle.com [130.35.60.81]) by inet-smtp1.oracle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13297 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:47:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from us.oracle.com by usmail04.us.oracle.com with ESMTP (8.8.8+Sun/37.9) id PAA06607; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:40:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38C44204.E5526169@us.oracle.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 15:40:52 -0800 From: Dirk Pranke Organization: Oracle Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: [Fwd: INVITE with RTP RR's to a different address ...] References: <38C4343C.424B7DB5@dynamicsoft.com> <38C43D1E.E295D24D@dynamicsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list It would seem like a more useful modification would be to allow RRs to be multicast while the data stream was unicast; this would allow the end-to-end application feedback, but also allow a third-party MIB to be built. More generally, I would be in favor of allowing RTCP to be multicast while RTP is unicast. Any reason why this would be a bad idea? -- Dirk Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: > > There are several reasons why I'm not sure this is the best approach: > > 1. RRs are needed end to end to enable application adaptation > 2. If you want centralized access to the feedback, then have the end > system implement the RTP MIB, and collect the data through that. > 3. RRs must be end to end for multicast. I don't like special casing > unicast. > > -Jonathan R. > > Francois Menard wrote: > > Does anybody oppose the idea of designing a specific way to do this ... I > > know that RTCP has to be managed end-to-end, but there are good instances > > where capturing the RTCP feedback in a central repository is better > > than doing Netflow analysis ... > > > > -=Francois=- > > > > On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: > > > > > You can easily have both the RTP and RTCP go to one IP address, > > > different than the SIP originator (media will go to the address listed > > > in the SDP). However, there is no way to have the RTP and RTCP go to > > > different addresses. > > > > > > -Jonathan R. > > > > > > Francois Menard List Account wrote: > > > > > > > > Is there a quick way to require the RTP RR's to go to a different IP > > > > address than the originating party through a SIP INVITE ? > > > > > > > > -=Francois=- > > > > > > -- > > > Jonathan D. Rosenberg 200 Executive Drive > > > Chief Scientist Suite 120 > > > dynamicsoft West Orange, NJ 07052 > > > jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (732) 741-4778 > > > http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (732) 741-7244 > > > http://www.dynamicsoft.com > > > > > -- > Jonathan D. Rosenberg 200 Executive Drive > Chief Scientist Suite 120 > dynamicsoft West Orange, NJ 07052 > jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (732) 741-4778 > http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (732) 741-7244 > http://www.dynamicsoft.com From rem-conf Mon Mar 06 15:59:48 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 06 15:59:47 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S7Nx-00039q-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:58:01 -0800 Received: from thalia.fm.intel.com [132.233.247.11] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S7Nx-00039g-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:58:01 -0800 Received: from SMTP (fmsmsxvs01-1.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.201]) by thalia.fm.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.19 2000/01/29 00:15:43 dmccart Exp $) with SMTP id XAA24189; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:58:32 GMT Received: from fmsmsx17.intel.com ([132.233.48.17]) by 132.233.48.201 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:57:50 0000 (GMT) Received: by fmsmsx17.fm.intel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:57:48 -0800 Message-ID: <7DAA70BEB463D211AC3E00A0C96B7AB20344B5FD@orsmsx41.jf.intel.com> From: "Strahm, Bill" To: "'Dirk Pranke'" , rem-conf@es.net Subject: RE: [Fwd: INVITE with RTP RR's to a different address ...] Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:57:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list The first problem that you will run into is there are actually very few endpoints that are Multicast aware (I know of very few consumer ISPs that implement Multicast, and none that will work over a standard modem connection, most corporate connections are not multicast either) making a multicast feedback path problematic. It wouldn't be that hard for the endpoints to implement the RTP MIB allowing generic SNMP managers to get at the session information that they need to monitor the stream. You are right about third party monitors for Unicast RTP flows, we only envisioned third-party monitors being used for multicast flows, not the unicast RTP flows that are common in point-point conferencing. Bill ______________________________________________ Bill Strahm Programming today is a race between bill.strahm@ software engineers striving to build intel.com bigger and better idiot-proof programs, (503) 264-4632 and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.--Rich Cook I am not speaking for Intel. And Intel rarely speaks for me > -----Original Message----- > From: Dirk Pranke [mailto:dpranke@us.oracle.com] > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 3:41 PM > To: rem-conf@es.net > Subject: Re: [Fwd: INVITE with RTP RR's to a different address ...] > > > It would seem like a more useful modification would be to allow > RRs to be multicast while the data stream was unicast; this would > allow the end-to-end application feedback, but also allow a > third-party > MIB to be built. More generally, I would be in favor of allowing > RTCP to be multicast while RTP is unicast. Any reason why this > would be a bad idea? > > -- Dirk > > Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: > > > > There are several reasons why I'm not sure this is the best > approach: > > > > 1. RRs are needed end to end to enable application adaptation > > 2. If you want centralized access to the feedback, then have the end > > system implement the RTP MIB, and collect the data through that. > > 3. RRs must be end to end for multicast. I don't like special casing > > unicast. > > > > -Jonathan R. > > > > Francois Menard wrote: > > > Does anybody oppose the idea of designing a specific way > to do this ... I > > > know that RTCP has to be managed end-to-end, but there > are good instances > > > where capturing the RTCP feedback in a central repository > is better > > > than doing Netflow analysis ... > > > > > > -=Francois=- > > > > > > On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: > > > > > > > You can easily have both the RTP and RTCP go to one IP address, > > > > different than the SIP originator (media will go to the > address listed > > > > in the SDP). However, there is no way to have the RTP > and RTCP go to > > > > different addresses. > > > > > > > > -Jonathan R. > > > > > > > > Francois Menard List Account wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Is there a quick way to require the RTP RR's to go to > a different IP > > > > > address than the originating party through a SIP INVITE ? > > > > > > > > > > -=Francois=- > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jonathan D. Rosenberg 200 Executive Drive > > > > Chief Scientist Suite 120 > > > > dynamicsoft West > Orange, NJ 07052 > > > > jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: > (732) 741-4778 > > > > http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: > (732) 741-7244 > > > > http://www.dynamicsoft.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Jonathan D. Rosenberg 200 Executive Drive > > Chief Scientist Suite 120 > > dynamicsoft West Orange, NJ 07052 > > jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (732) 741-4778 > > http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (732) 741-7244 > > http://www.dynamicsoft.com > > From rem-conf Mon Mar 06 16:04:31 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 06 16:04:31 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S7TG-0003an-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:03:30 -0800 Received: from acsys.anu.edu.au [150.203.20.41] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S7TE-0003ZD-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:03:29 -0800 Received: from accordion (accordion.anu.edu.au [150.203.20.58]) by acsys.anu.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA06728 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:03:12 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000307110204.00f52e20@acsys.anu.edu.au> X-Sender: markus@acsys.anu.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 11:02:05 +1100 To: rem-conf@es.net From: Markus Buchhorn Subject: Re: [Fwd: INVITE with RTP RR's to a different address ...] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list At 15:40 6/03/00 -0800, Dirk Pranke wrote: >It would seem like a more useful modification would be to allow >RRs to be multicast while the data stream was unicast; this would >allow the end-to-end application feedback, but also allow a third-party >MIB to be built. More generally, I would be in favor of allowing >RTCP to be multicast while RTP is unicast. Any reason why this >would be a bad idea? Uhm - what sort of access control would that multicast group have ? Do I really want to multicast to the world (or even some local/admin-scope) the fact that my CEO and the CEO of a major competitor are having a quiet unicast videoconference? >-- Dirk > >Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: >> >> There are several reasons why I'm not sure this is the best approach: >> >> 1. RRs are needed end to end to enable application adaptation >> 2. If you want centralized access to the feedback, then have the end >> system implement the RTP MIB, and collect the data through that. >> 3. RRs must be end to end for multicast. I don't like special casing >> unicast. >> >> -Jonathan R. >> >> Francois Menard wrote: >> > Does anybody oppose the idea of designing a specific way to do this ... I >> > know that RTCP has to be managed end-to-end, but there are good instances >> > where capturing the RTCP feedback in a central repository is better >> > than doing Netflow analysis ... >> > >> > -=Francois=- >> > >> > On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: >> > >> > > You can easily have both the RTP and RTCP go to one IP address, >> > > different than the SIP originator (media will go to the address listed >> > > in the SDP). However, there is no way to have the RTP and RTCP go to >> > > different addresses. >> > > >> > > -Jonathan R. >> > > >> > > Francois Menard List Account wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Is there a quick way to require the RTP RR's to go to a different IP >> > > > address than the originating party through a SIP INVITE ? >> > > > >> > > > -=Francois=- >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Jonathan D. Rosenberg 200 Executive Drive >> > > Chief Scientist Suite 120 >> > > dynamicsoft West Orange, NJ 07052 >> > > jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (732) 741-4778 >> > > http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (732) 741-7244 >> > > http://www.dynamicsoft.com >> > > >> >> -- >> Jonathan D. Rosenberg 200 Executive Drive >> Chief Scientist Suite 120 >> dynamicsoft West Orange, NJ 07052 >> jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (732) 741-4778 >> http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (732) 741-7244 >> http://www.dynamicsoft.com > > Markus Buchhorn, Advanced Computational Systems CRC | Ph: +61 2 62798810 email: markus@acsys.anu.edu.au, snail: ACSys, RSISE Bldg,|Fax: +61 2 62798602 Australian National University, Canberra 0200, Australia |Mobile: 0417 281429 From rem-conf Mon Mar 06 16:26:48 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 06 16:26:48 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S7mq-0004a6-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:23:44 -0800 Received: from inet-smtp1.oracle.com [209.246.15.57] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S7mp-0004Yw-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:23:43 -0800 Received: from usmail04.us.oracle.com (usmail04.us.oracle.com [130.35.60.81]) by inet-smtp1.oracle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29643; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:26:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from us.oracle.com by usmail04.us.oracle.com with ESMTP (8.8.8+Sun/37.9) id QAA11669; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:23:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38C44C06.3AC96B2D@us.oracle.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:23:34 -0800 From: Dirk Pranke Organization: Oracle Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Strahm, Bill" CC: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: [Fwd: INVITE with RTP RR's to a different address ...] References: <7DAA70BEB463D211AC3E00A0C96B7AB20344B5FD@orsmsx41.jf.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list I think the problem is that one can easily imagine a distributed point-to-point system, where there are many endpoints; possibly including many endpoints on a single host (think one process or thread per stream from a video server, for example). And, you certainly don't want your monitoring system to have monitor every single endpoint. So, either your SNMP agents or subagents need to be able to gather information from the endpoint through an ad-hoc API, or each endpoint implements the MIB directly as a subagent. Both of these situations strike me as bad (especially since implementing SNMP subagents is usually complicated, awkward, and non-portable even with a good SNMP toolkit). However, if the RTCP was being multicast, you could trivially implement a third-party subagent or agent that did the right thing. Of course, as pointed out in a separate note, the privacy concerns might easily offset the advantages of this ... -- Dirk "Strahm, Bill" wrote: > > The first problem that you will run into is there are actually very few > endpoints that are Multicast aware (I know of very few consumer ISPs that > implement Multicast, and none that will work over a standard modem > connection, most corporate connections are not multicast either) making a > multicast feedback path problematic. It wouldn't be that hard for the > endpoints to implement the RTP MIB allowing generic SNMP managers to get at > the session information that they need to monitor the stream. > > You are right about third party monitors for Unicast RTP flows, we only > envisioned third-party monitors being used for multicast flows, not the > unicast RTP flows that are common in point-point conferencing. > > Bill > > ______________________________________________ > Bill Strahm Programming today is a race between > bill.strahm@ software engineers striving to build > intel.com bigger and better idiot-proof programs, > (503) 264-4632 and the Universe trying to produce > bigger and better idiots. So far, the > Universe is winning.--Rich Cook > I am not speaking for Intel. And Intel rarely speaks for me > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dirk Pranke [mailto:dpranke@us.oracle.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 3:41 PM > > To: rem-conf@es.net > > Subject: Re: [Fwd: INVITE with RTP RR's to a different address ...] > > > > > > It would seem like a more useful modification would be to allow > > RRs to be multicast while the data stream was unicast; this would > > allow the end-to-end application feedback, but also allow a > > third-party > > MIB to be built. More generally, I would be in favor of allowing > > RTCP to be multicast while RTP is unicast. Any reason why this > > would be a bad idea? > > > > -- Dirk > > > > Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: > > > > > > There are several reasons why I'm not sure this is the best > > approach: > > > > > > 1. RRs are needed end to end to enable application adaptation > > > 2. If you want centralized access to the feedback, then have the end > > > system implement the RTP MIB, and collect the data through that. > > > 3. RRs must be end to end for multicast. I don't like special casing > > > unicast. > > > > > > -Jonathan R. > > > > > > Francois Menard wrote: > > > > Does anybody oppose the idea of designing a specific way > > to do this ... I > > > > know that RTCP has to be managed end-to-end, but there > > are good instances > > > > where capturing the RTCP feedback in a central repository > > is better > > > > than doing Netflow analysis ... > > > > > > > > -=Francois=- > > > > > > > > On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: > > > > > > > > > You can easily have both the RTP and RTCP go to one IP address, > > > > > different than the SIP originator (media will go to the > > address listed > > > > > in the SDP). However, there is no way to have the RTP > > and RTCP go to > > > > > different addresses. > > > > > > > > > > -Jonathan R. > > > > > > > > > > Francois Menard List Account wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a quick way to require the RTP RR's to go to > > a different IP > > > > > > address than the originating party through a SIP INVITE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > -=Francois=- > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Jonathan D. Rosenberg 200 Executive Drive > > > > > Chief Scientist Suite 120 > > > > > dynamicsoft West > > Orange, NJ 07052 > > > > > jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: > > (732) 741-4778 > > > > > http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: > > (732) 741-7244 > > > > > http://www.dynamicsoft.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jonathan D. Rosenberg 200 Executive Drive > > > Chief Scientist Suite 120 > > > dynamicsoft West Orange, NJ 07052 > > > jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (732) 741-4778 > > > http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (732) 741-7244 > > > http://www.dynamicsoft.com > > > > From rem-conf Mon Mar 06 16:36:50 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 06 16:36:49 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S7x7-0005F9-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:34:21 -0800 Received: from thalia.fm.intel.com [132.233.247.11] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12S7x6-0005Ey-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:34:20 -0800 Received: from SMTP (fmsmsxvs01-1.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.201]) by thalia.fm.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.19 2000/01/29 00:15:43 dmccart Exp $) with SMTP id AAA10554; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:34:54 GMT Received: from fmsmsx27.FM.INTEL.COM ([132.233.48.27]) by 132.233.48.201 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:34:13 0000 (GMT) Received: by fmsmsx27.fm.intel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:34:11 -0800 Message-ID: <7DAA70BEB463D211AC3E00A0C96B7AB20344B5FE@orsmsx41.jf.intel.com> From: "Strahm, Bill" To: "'Dirk Pranke'" , "Strahm, Bill" Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: RE: [Fwd: INVITE with RTP RR's to a different address ...] Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:34:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Actually it isn't all that bad. Basically you can implement an RTP SNMP Agent in the context of either a subagent, or extension agent (depending on your environment) then have a simple API to pass data between the RTP stack implementation and the RTP SNMP agent. This API is rather simple in our environment boiling down to simply calls to get RTCP information directly >from the stack. Yes this is a proprietary API, but so is the API between RTP and the applications that live on top of it, etc. etc. etc. Basically it boils down to using tools that are appropriate, SNMP management tools are appropriate for managing devices on the network Bill ______________________________________________ Bill Strahm Programming today is a race between bill.strahm@ software engineers striving to build intel.com bigger and better idiot-proof programs, (503) 264-4632 and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.--Rich Cook I am not speaking for Intel. And Intel rarely speaks for me > -----Original Message----- > From: Dirk Pranke [mailto:dpranke@us.oracle.com] > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 4:24 PM > To: Strahm, Bill > Cc: rem-conf@es.net > Subject: Re: [Fwd: INVITE with RTP RR's to a different address ...] > > > I think the problem is that one can easily imagine a distributed > point-to-point system, where there are many endpoints; possibly > including many endpoints on a single host (think one process or > thread per stream from a video server, for example). And, you > certainly > don't want your monitoring system to have monitor every > single endpoint. > So, either your SNMP agents or subagents need to be able to gather > information from the endpoint through an ad-hoc API, or each endpoint > implements the MIB directly as a subagent. Both of these situations > strike me as bad (especially since implementing SNMP > subagents is usually > complicated, awkward, and non-portable even with a good SNMP > toolkit). > However, if the RTCP was being multicast, you could trivially > implement a > third-party subagent or agent that did the right thing. > > Of course, as pointed out in a separate note, the privacy concerns > might easily offset the advantages of this ... > > -- Dirk > > "Strahm, Bill" wrote: > > > > The first problem that you will run into is there are > actually very few > > endpoints that are Multicast aware (I know of very few > consumer ISPs that > > implement Multicast, and none that will work over a standard modem > > connection, most corporate connections are not multicast > either) making a > > multicast feedback path problematic. It wouldn't be that > hard for the > > endpoints to implement the RTP MIB allowing generic SNMP > managers to get at > > the session information that they need to monitor the stream. > > > > You are right about third party monitors for Unicast RTP > flows, we only > > envisioned third-party monitors being used for multicast > flows, not the > > unicast RTP flows that are common in point-point conferencing. > > > > Bill > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Bill Strahm Programming today is a race between > > bill.strahm@ software engineers striving to build > > intel.com bigger and better idiot-proof programs, > > (503) 264-4632 and the Universe trying to produce > > bigger and better idiots. So far, the > > Universe is winning.--Rich Cook > > I am not speaking for Intel. And Intel rarely speaks for me > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dirk Pranke [mailto:dpranke@us.oracle.com] > > > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 3:41 PM > > > To: rem-conf@es.net > > > Subject: Re: [Fwd: INVITE with RTP RR's to a different > address ...] > > > > > > > > > It would seem like a more useful modification would be to allow > > > RRs to be multicast while the data stream was unicast; this would > > > allow the end-to-end application feedback, but also allow a > > > third-party > > > MIB to be built. More generally, I would be in favor of allowing > > > RTCP to be multicast while RTP is unicast. Any reason why this > > > would be a bad idea? > > > > > > -- Dirk > > > > > > Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: > > > > > > > > There are several reasons why I'm not sure this is the best > > > approach: > > > > > > > > 1. RRs are needed end to end to enable application adaptation > > > > 2. If you want centralized access to the feedback, then > have the end > > > > system implement the RTP MIB, and collect the data through that. > > > > 3. RRs must be end to end for multicast. I don't like > special casing > > > > unicast. > > > > > > > > -Jonathan R. > > > > > > > > Francois Menard wrote: > > > > > Does anybody oppose the idea of designing a specific way > > > to do this ... I > > > > > know that RTCP has to be managed end-to-end, but there > > > are good instances > > > > > where capturing the RTCP feedback in a central repository > > > is better > > > > > than doing Netflow analysis ... > > > > > > > > > > -=Francois=- > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You can easily have both the RTP and RTCP go to one > IP address, > > > > > > different than the SIP originator (media will go to the > > > address listed > > > > > > in the SDP). However, there is no way to have the RTP > > > and RTCP go to > > > > > > different addresses. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Jonathan R. > > > > > > > > > > > > Francois Menard List Account wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a quick way to require the RTP RR's to go to > > > a different IP > > > > > > > address than the originating party through a SIP INVITE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=Francois=- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Jonathan D. Rosenberg 200 > Executive Drive > > > > > > Chief Scientist Suite 120 > > > > > > dynamicsoft West > > > Orange, NJ 07052 > > > > > > jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: > > > (732) 741-4778 > > > > > > http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: > > > (732) 741-7244 > > > > > > http://www.dynamicsoft.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jonathan D. 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To date, the program has designed and developed more than 120 online courses offered on two sites: the original site on America Online (keyword: ucx) and an Internet site (http://learn.berkeley.edu/). More than 4,500 students have enrolled since the start of the program, and enrollments for FY2000-2001 are projected to be 4,000. Mary Beth Almeda, Director of UC Extension's Center for Media and Independent Learning, where the project is housed, will describe the development of the project, the range of services and support needed for a successful program, and some of the issues facing the program as it expands and institutionalizes its operations. Kathleen Rose, Instructional Support Manager, will discuss instructor selection, training, and support. Larry Cooperman, Manager of Instructional Technology Development will demonstrate selected courses to show how online features have been integrated into the learning process. --------------- The seminar is broadcast live on the Internet Mbone and as a Real Networks G2 broadcast. You can connect to the live RealNetworks broadcast at: http://media2.bmrc.berkeley.edu/bibs/schedule.cfm You'll see a link to cs298-5/real networks/live programs. You can also directly put in this url into the Real Player: rtsp://media2.bmrc.berkeley.edu/encoder/cs298-5.rm To do so you will need to have the "Real Player G2" installed, which is available from: http://www.real.com/products/player/downloadrealplayer.html To tune into the Internet MBone broadcast, look for the announcement in your MBone session directory program ('sdr'). If you are not receiving the announcement you may be able to receive the session by manually configuring the client programs ('vic', and 'vat') with the session addresses: low bit rate video: 233.0.25.1/22334 audio: 233.0.25.2/22446 medium bit rate video: 233.0.25.129/22334 audio: 233.0.25.2/22446 You can get further information about this seminar, and access to replays of previous seminars at the MIG Seminar web page: http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/298/index.html Sponsored by the Berkeley Multimedia Research Center From rem-conf Tue Mar 07 11:26:29 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 07 11:26:28 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12SPZT-0005sm-00; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:23:07 -0800 Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12SPZP-0005s8-00; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:23:03 -0800 Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22879; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:22:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.8.8+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id UAA10054; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:20:05 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <38C55666.D30C5D5A@cs.utwente.nl> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 20:20:06 +0100 From: Clever Ricardo Guareis de Farias Organization: CTIT - Centre for Telematics and Information Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Reminder: IDMS 2000 deadline is March 15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list [Our apologies if you receive multiple copies of this CfP.] Call for Papers IDMS'2000 The 7th International Workshop on Interactive Distributed Multimedia Systems and Telecommunication Services October 17-20, 2000 CTIT / Univ. of Twente, Enschede, The Netherlands This is just a reminder that the deadline for IDMS '2000 is approaching quickly: the deadline for full and position papers is March 15, 2000. In case of questions, please, feel free to contact the program co-chairs: Marten van Sinderen - mailto:sinderen@cs.utwente.nl Hans Scholten - mailto:scholten@cs.utwente.nl For general details please check the website at: http://www.ctit.utwente.nl/Docs/news/idms_2000.htm From rem-conf Tue Mar 07 13:39:11 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 07 13:39:10 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12SRdB-0007bg-00; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:35:05 -0800 Received: from intergate.usr.com (mw.3com.com) [149.112.20.3] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12SRdA-0007bW-00; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:35:04 -0800 Received: from mwgate02.mw.3com.com by mw.3com.com (8.8.5/3.1.090690-3Com Corporation) id PAA03110; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:34:54 -0600 (CST) Received: by mwgate02.mw.3com.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8625689B.0076B097 ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:36:24 -0600 X-Lotus-FromDomain: 3COM@3COM-MWGATE From: "Yu Zhu" To: rem-conf@es.net Message-ID: <8625689B.0076AEE4.00@mwgate02.mw.3com.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:36:43 -0600 Subject: RTP MIB Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hi there, Can anyone tell me why I can not access the link of RTP MIB on IETF web site? I can find ver 1 and 2 of this document, but not the lastest(ver 8?). Your help will be appreciated. Thanks. -- Yu Zhu From rem-conf Tue Mar 07 13:59:23 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 07 13:59:22 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12SRyN-0000dx-00; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:56:59 -0800 Received: from brisco.passedge.com [4.18.242.15] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12SRyL-0000db-00; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:56:57 -0800 Received: by brisco.passedge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:55:57 -0800 Message-ID: <07E816C410ECD311BBEE00C04FA14BCFF29A@brisco.passedge.com> From: "Baugher, Mark" To: 'Yu Zhu' Cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: RE: RTP MIB Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:55:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Yu Zhu Please try version 9. http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mib-09.txt Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Yu Zhu [mailto:Yu_Zhu@mw.3com.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 1:37 PM > To: rem-conf@es.net > Subject: RTP MIB > > > > > Hi there, > > Can anyone tell me why I can not access the link of RTP MIB > on IETF web site? I > can find ver 1 and 2 of this document, but not the lastest(ver 8?). > > Your help will be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > -- Yu Zhu > > > From rem-conf Tue Mar 07 13:59:52 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 07 13:59:52 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12SS07-0000fL-00; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:58:47 -0800 Received: from thalia.fm.intel.com [132.233.247.11] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12SS06-0000f9-00; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:58:46 -0800 Received: from SMTP (fmsmsxvs04-1.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.204]) by thalia.fm.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.19 2000/01/29 00:15:43 dmccart Exp $) with SMTP id VAA23908; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:59:11 GMT Received: from fmsmsx26.fm.intel.com ([132.233.48.26]) by 132.233.48.204 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:58:29 0000 (GMT) Received: by fmsmsx26.fm.intel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:58:28 -0800 Message-ID: <7DAA70BEB463D211AC3E00A0C96B7AB20344B606@orsmsx41.jf.intel.com> From: "Strahm, Bill" To: "'Yu Zhu'" , rem-conf@es.net Subject: RE: RTP MIB Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:58:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Actually I just submitted draft 09 yesterday... I think the internet drafts editor removed the -08 link and the WG page hasn't updated yet. The correct link for the "current" draft is http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mib-09.txt This draft was written to clear up the issues raised in IESG last call on draft -07 (-08 still had some issues and I released it too soon before my peer authors had a good chance to review it, this draft clears a lot of that up) Bill ______________________________________________ Bill Strahm Programming today is a race between bill.strahm@ software engineers striving to build intel.com bigger and better idiot-proof programs, (503) 264-4632 and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.--Rich Cook I am not speaking for Intel. And Intel rarely speaks for me > -----Original Message----- > From: Yu Zhu [mailto:Yu_Zhu@mw.3com.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 1:37 PM > To: rem-conf@es.net > Subject: RTP MIB > > > > > Hi there, > > Can anyone tell me why I can not access the link of RTP MIB > on IETF web site? I > can find ver 1 and 2 of this document, but not the lastest(ver 8?). > > Your help will be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > -- Yu Zhu > > > > From rem-conf Wed Mar 08 03:45:20 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 08 03:45:18 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Seg6-0001Fy-00; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 03:30:58 -0800 Received: from odin.ietf.org (ietf.org) [132.151.1.176] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Seg5-0001Fo-00; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 03:30:57 -0800 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA28186; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:30:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003081130.GAA28186@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: rem-conf@es.net From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mib-09.txt Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 06:30:54 -0500 Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. Title : Real-Time Transport Protocol Management Information Base Author(s) : M. Baugher, I. Suconick, B. Strahm Filename : draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mib-09.txt Pages : 37 Date : 07-Mar-00 This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it defines objects for managing Real-Time Transport Protocol(RTP) systems [RFC1889]. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mib-09.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mib-09.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mib-09.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000307114020.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mib-09.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mib-09.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000307114020.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From rem-conf Wed Mar 08 09:43:00 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 08 09:43:00 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12SkOh-0006ut-00; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:37:23 -0800 Received: from artemis.rus.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.1.28] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12SkOf-0006ue-00; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:37:21 -0800 Received: from ksat10 (ksat10.rus.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.30.170]) by artemis.rus.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP id SAA26433; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:37:16 +0100 (MET) env-from (christ@rus.uni-stuttgart.de) From: "Paul Christ" To: Cc: "Olivier Avaro" , "Franceschini Guido" , "Angela Giannitrapani" , "Bilal EL ALI" , "Christine Marie-Claude Guillemot" , "Stefan Wesner" Subject: 2 Adelaide drafts ahead Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:49:09 +0100 Message-ID: <00d301bf8926$9b08c8f0$aa1e4581@ksat10.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by artemis.rus.uni-stuttgart.de id SAA26433 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dear all, preparing the AVT group meeting in Adelaide and pursuing now our MPEG-4/RTP activities within the framework of the European IST project SoNG we would like to draw your attention to 1- the fact that our draft "RTP Payload Format for MPEG-4 with Scaleable & Flexible Error Resiliency", (so-called 'GP' in short) is under revision. Listening somewhat to the "complexity argument against us", we simplified a bit the existing draft (we dropped the fragmentation capability). 2- the fact that a new draft - "RTP payload format for MPEG-4 Visual Advanced Profiles" is also being produced as a specialization exercise of our 'GP' towards visual and also as a "critique" of "draft-jnb-mpeg4av-rtp-00.txt ". Covering mostly the so-called simple visual profile and omitting a series of other important video profiles, we have to disagree with its arguments for a simple payload in general. Five profiles have been specified for the natural video content: the simple scalable profile using tools for layered coding (very much relevant for rate and congestion control especially in multicast, also applicable in the H.323 context, see annex B of rec. H.323), the core profile supporting coding of arbitrary shape objects (useful for content interactive multimedia applications), the main profile (adding to the previous the possibility for interlaced video objects and for sprites). (See below the list of corresponding coding options and parameters). Regards, P. Christ. ---------------------------------------------------------- List of profiles and corresponding coding options and parameters not covered by the HEC mechanism and that would definitely benefit from an additional protection at the packetization level: 1- Simple scalable profile supporting temporal and spatial scalability: The parameter =93ref_select_code=94 specifies the prediction references for P and B-VOPs in the enhancement layers and is important to protect. 2- Core and main visual profiles allowing the usage of sprite objects and of arbitrary shape objects, in addition to scalability: Sprite decoding operates in two modes: basic and low-latency. The low latency mode allows to update the sprite or transmit new pieces of the sprite which can be then used as reference information for decoding subsequent S-VOPs, and for construction of subsequent parts of sprites. Therefore, it is important to be able to protect this information by allowing repetition of sprite data in consecutive packets. The decoding of arbitrary shape VOP requires the dimensions of its bounding rectangle, its horizontal and vertical spatial position, as well as the shape coding type. This information is respectively provided by the parameters =93vop_width=94, =93vop_height=94, =93vop_horizontal_mc_spatial_ref=94 and =93vop_vertical_mc_spatial_ref=94= , =93vop_shape_coding_type=94 in the VOP header. The parameter =93change_conv_ratio_disable=94 is also needed to be able to decode properly the video packet. The =93vop_constant_alpha parameter=94 as well as the =93vop_constant_alpha_value=94 (if vop_constant_alpha=3D=3D= 1), scaling factor applied to the decoded VOP before display need also protection. When scalability is applied on arbitrary shape objects, extra parameters need to be protected. For the shape decoding these parameters are =93load_backward_shape=94, =93backward_shape_width=94, =93backward_shape_height=94, =93backward_shape_horizontal_mc_spatial_ref=94, =93backward_shape_vertical_mc_spatial_ref=94, =93load_forward_shape=94, =93forward_shape_width=94, =93forward_shape_height=94, =93forward_shape_horizontal_mc_spatial_ref=94, =93forward_shape_vertical_mc_spatial_ref=94. Another important parameter is =93background_composition=94 which signals the usage of background composition in conjunction with scalability. A final parameter important to be protected is =93Vop_rounding_type=94 which sig-nals the rounding mechanism used in the pixel value interpolation in motion compensation for P and S(GMC)-VOPs. 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This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. Title : RTP Payload for Comfort Noise Author(s) : R. Zopf Filename : draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt Pages : 6 Date : 08-Mar-00 This document describes an RTP [2] payload format for transporting comfort noise (CN). The CN payload type is primarily for use with audio codecs that do not support comfort noise as part of the codec itself such as ITU-T Recommendations G.711 [3], G.726 [4], G.727 [5], G.728 [6], and G.722 [7]. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. 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Thanks in advance. Sylvie From rem-conf Thu Mar 09 10:16:31 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 09 10:16:30 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12T7Op-0007fj-00; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:11:03 -0800 Received: from gumby.cs.berkeley.edu [128.32.32.38] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12T7Oo-0007fZ-00; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:11:02 -0800 Received: from sockeye (sockeye.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.36.74]) by gumby.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA08536; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:59:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000309100000.00ab69d0@plateau.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: florissa@plateau.cs.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 10:00:00 -0800 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: Florissa Colina Subject: 3/15 Caching Support in Standards-based RTSP/RTP Servers -- Alagu Periyannan, Entera, Inc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Berkeley Multimedia, Graphics and Interfaces Seminar Caching Support in Standards-based RTSP/RTP Servers Wednesday March 15, 2000 1:10 - 2:30 PST Fujitsu Seminar Room (405 Soda Hall) Alagu Periyannan Entera, Inc. This talk discusses a set of mechanisms to enable streaming media caching between standards-based RTSP/RTP servers and proxies. Streaming media caching refers to the process through which streaming content is dynamically replicated closer to users so as to provide a better viewing experience. The challenges in solving the streaming media caching problem are discussed. Enhancements to the IETF standard RTSP protocol are presented. --------------- The seminar is broadcast live on the Internet Mbone and as a Real Networks G2 broadcast. You can connect to the live RealNetworks broadcast at: http://media2.bmrc.berkeley.edu/bibs/schedule.cfm You'll see a link to cs298-5/real networks/live programs. You can also directly put in this url into the Real Player: rtsp://media2.bmrc.berkeley.edu/encoder/cs298-5.rm To do so you will need to have the "Real Player G2" installed, which is available from: http://www.real.com/products/player/downloadrealplayer.html To tune into the Internet MBone broadcast, look for the announcement in your MBone session directory program ('sdr'). If you are not receiving the announcement you may be able to receive the session by manually configuring the client programs ('vic', and 'vat') with the session addresses: low bit rate video: 233.0.25.1/22334 audio: 233.0.25.2/22446 medium bit rate video: 233.0.25.129/22334 audio: 233.0.25.2/22446 You can get further information about this seminar, and access to replays of previous seminars at the MIG Seminar web page: http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/298/index.html Sponsored by the Berkeley Multimedia Research Center From rem-conf Thu Mar 09 10:47:55 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 09 10:47:55 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12T7wG-0000qz-00; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:45:36 -0800 Received: from dnai.com [207.181.194.98] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12T7wF-0000qW-00; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:45:35 -0800 Received: from hariv (cougar.chiplogic.com [216.15.52.34]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA68657 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:44:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002601bf89f7$b5282e20$03000004@hariv.domain> Reply-To: "Hari Krishna Vuppaladhadiam" From: "Hari Krishna Vuppaladhadiam" To: Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:45:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hi everyone, Are there any standards to generate CNG for the listed codecs like G711, G726 etc.. Can anyone show some pointers to it? Thanks Hari -----Original Message----- From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: rem-conf@es.net Date: Thursday, March 09, 2000 3:43 AM Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : RTP Payload for Comfort Noise > Author(s) : R. Zopf > Filename : draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt > Pages : 6 > Date : 08-Mar-00 > >This document describes an RTP [2] payload format for transporting >comfort noise (CN). The CN payload type is primarily for use with >audio codecs that do not support comfort noise as part of the codec >itself such as ITU-T Recommendations G.711 [3], G.726 [4], G.727 >[5], G.728 [6], and G.722 [7]. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username >"anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, >type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt". > >A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in >http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > >Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > >Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. >In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt". > >NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > >Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >Internet-Draft. > From rem-conf Thu Mar 09 11:36:50 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 09 11:36:49 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12T8hN-00021B-00; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:34:17 -0800 Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12T8hM-000211-00; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:34:16 -0800 Received: from fw-ext.ascend.com (fw-ext [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA17406; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:27:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from russet.ascend.com by fw-ext.ascend.com via smtpd (for drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 19:34:09 UT Received: from wopr.eng.ascend.com (wopr.eng.ascend.com [206.65.212.178]) by russet.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10357; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:34:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from basset.eng.ascend.com (basset.eng.ascend.com [192.168.19.2]) by wopr.eng.ascend.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25212; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:34:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from zopf_nt-pc ([192.168.19.234]) by basset.eng.ascend.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15532; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:34:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000309141953.00b27250@basset.eng.ascend.com> X-Sender: rzopf@basset.eng.ascend.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:35:31 -0500 To: "Hari Krishna Vuppaladhadiam" , From: Robert Zopf Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt In-Reply-To: <002601bf89f7$b5282e20$03000004@hariv.domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hari, There is no mechanism defined for the codecs listed in the draft (ex. G.711, G.726, G.727, G.728, and G.722). The new appendix to G.711 describes a CNG algorithm which MAY be used with the defined CN payload. This algorithm was tested with G.711 (again, see the appendix for a description of how it was tested) and found to give equivalent quality to G.711 without CNG. The CNG algorithm is of course only a part of it, you also need a VAD algorithm and DTX algorithm, all of which contribute to the overall quality. In the test, the VAD/DTX from G.729 was used, but others are possible. The CNG algorithm described could also be used with the other codecs, but this was not tested within the ITU. The idea of the payload and example algorithm was that they are generic, and may be used with any codec without a defined CNG mechanism. The appendix should be published and available from the ITU soon. It was just approved in February, and I am not sure of their turn-around time on such documents. Rob. At 10:45 AM 03/09/2000 -0800, Hari Krishna Vuppaladhadiam wrote: >Hi everyone, > > Are there any standards to generate CNG for the listed codecs like G711, >G726 etc.. Can anyone show some pointers to it? > >Thanks >Hari > >-----Original Message----- >From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >To: IETF-Announce: ; >Cc: rem-conf@es.net >Date: Thursday, March 09, 2000 3:43 AM >Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt > > > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. > >This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the >IETF. > > > > Title : RTP Payload for Comfort Noise > > Author(s) : R. Zopf > > Filename : draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt > > Pages : 6 > > Date : 08-Mar-00 > > > >This document describes an RTP [2] payload format for transporting > >comfort noise (CN). The CN payload type is primarily for use with > >audio codecs that do not support comfort noise as part of the codec > >itself such as ITU-T Recommendations G.711 [3], G.726 [4], G.727 > >[5], G.728 [6], and G.722 [7]. > > > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt > > > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the >username > >"anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, > >type "cd internet-drafts" and then > > "get draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt". > > > >A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > >http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > >or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > > >Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > > >Send a message to: > > mailserv@ietf.org. > >In the body type: > > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt". > > > >NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > > how to manipulate these messages. > > > > > >Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > >implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > >Internet-Draft. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rob Zopf Principal Engineer Speech Technology Group Lucent Technologies, INS Phone : (732) 578-3207 Fax : (732) 578-3213 Email : zopf@lucent.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From rem-conf Thu Mar 09 11:46:40 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 09 11:46:40 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12T8sY-0002eV-00; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:45:50 -0800 Received: from dnai.com [207.181.194.98] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12T8sX-0002c6-00; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:45:49 -0800 Received: from hariv (cougar.chiplogic.com [216.15.52.34]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA19194; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:44:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <006101bf8a00$1c9c4660$03000004@hariv.domain> Reply-To: "Hari Krishna Vuppaladhadiam" From: "Hari Krishna Vuppaladhadiam" To: "Robert Zopf" Cc: Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:46:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hi Rob, Thanks for your reply. I was planning to use the G.729B VAD/DTX for voice activity detection for sample based codecs, but which decides on a corresponding block size of samples say 10msecs. Do you suggest any specific VAD/DTX algorithms for sample based speech codecs which either decide on sample or block basis? Hari -----Original Message----- From: Robert Zopf To: Hari Krishna Vuppaladhadiam ; rem-conf@es.net Date: Thursday, March 09, 2000 11:34 AM Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt >Hari, > >There is no mechanism defined for the codecs listed in the draft (ex. >G.711, G.726, G.727, G.728, and G.722). The new appendix to G.711 >describes a CNG algorithm which MAY be used with the defined CN >payload. This algorithm was tested with G.711 (again, see the appendix for >a description of how it was tested) and found to give equivalent quality to >G.711 without CNG. The CNG algorithm is of course only a part of it, you >also need a VAD algorithm and DTX algorithm, all of which contribute to the >overall quality. In the test, the VAD/DTX from G.729 was used, but others >are possible. The CNG algorithm described could also be used with the >other codecs, but this was not tested within the ITU. The idea of the >payload and example algorithm was that they are generic, and may be used >with any codec without a defined CNG mechanism. > >The appendix should be published and available from the ITU soon. It was >just approved in February, and I am not sure of their turn-around time on >such documents. > >Rob. > > >At 10:45 AM 03/09/2000 -0800, Hari Krishna Vuppaladhadiam wrote: >>Hi everyone, >> >> Are there any standards to generate CNG for the listed codecs like G711, >>G726 etc.. Can anyone show some pointers to it? >> >>Thanks >>Hari >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >>To: IETF-Announce: ; >>Cc: rem-conf@es.net >>Date: Thursday, March 09, 2000 3:43 AM >>Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt >> >> >> >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>directories. >> >This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the >>IETF. >> > >> > Title : RTP Payload for Comfort Noise >> > Author(s) : R. Zopf >> > Filename : draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt >> > Pages : 6 >> > Date : 08-Mar-00 >> > >> >This document describes an RTP [2] payload format for transporting >> >comfort noise (CN). The CN payload type is primarily for use with >> >audio codecs that do not support comfort noise as part of the codec >> >itself such as ITU-T Recommendations G.711 [3], G.726 [4], G.727 >> >[5], G.728 [6], and G.722 [7]. >> > >> >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt >> > >> >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the >>username >> >"anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, >> >type "cd internet-drafts" and then >> > "get draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt". >> > >> >A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in >> >http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >> >or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >> > >> > >> >Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. >> > >> >Send a message to: >> > mailserv@ietf.org. >> >In the body type: >> > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt". >> > >> >NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in >> > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this >> > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" >> > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or >> > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers >> > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with >> > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split >> > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on >> > how to manipulate these messages. >> > >> > >> >Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >> >implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >> >Internet-Draft. >> > >> >> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Rob Zopf >Principal Engineer >Speech Technology Group >Lucent Technologies, INS > >Phone : (732) 578-3207 >Fax : (732) 578-3213 >Email : zopf@lucent.com >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From rem-conf Thu Mar 09 11:58:51 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 09 11:58:50 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12T92T-0003NX-00; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:56:05 -0800 Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12T92R-0003NL-00; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:56:03 -0800 Received: from fw-ext.ascend.com (fw-ext [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA20095; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:49:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from russet.ascend.com by fw-ext.ascend.com via smtpd (for drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 19:56:02 UT Received: from wopr.eng.ascend.com (wopr.eng.ascend.com [206.65.212.178]) by russet.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16134; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from basset.eng.ascend.com (basset.eng.ascend.com [192.168.19.2]) by wopr.eng.ascend.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26370; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from zopf_nt-pc ([192.168.19.234]) by basset.eng.ascend.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16260; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:56:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000309145230.00b413c0@basset.eng.ascend.com> X-Sender: rzopf@basset.eng.ascend.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:57:24 -0500 To: "Hari Krishna Vuppaladhadiam" From: Robert Zopf Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt Cc: In-Reply-To: <006101bf8a00$1c9c4660$03000004@hariv.domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hari, I am not aware of any VAD which gives an output on a sample basis. This is probably overkill and would just waste complexity. I think you will get sufficient quality using G.729B as you plan (and as was tested in the ITU). Rob. At 11:46 AM 03/09/2000 -0800, Hari Krishna Vuppaladhadiam wrote: >Hi Rob, > Thanks for your reply. I was planning to use the G.729B VAD/DTX for voice >activity detection for sample based codecs, but which decides on a >corresponding block size of samples say 10msecs. Do you suggest any specific >VAD/DTX algorithms for sample based speech codecs which either decide on >sample or block basis? > >Hari > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Zopf >To: Hari Krishna Vuppaladhadiam ; rem-conf@es.net > >Date: Thursday, March 09, 2000 11:34 AM >Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt > > > >Hari, > > > >There is no mechanism defined for the codecs listed in the draft (ex. > >G.711, G.726, G.727, G.728, and G.722). The new appendix to G.711 > >describes a CNG algorithm which MAY be used with the defined CN > >payload. This algorithm was tested with G.711 (again, see the appendix for > >a description of how it was tested) and found to give equivalent quality to > >G.711 without CNG. The CNG algorithm is of course only a part of it, you > >also need a VAD algorithm and DTX algorithm, all of which contribute to the > >overall quality. In the test, the VAD/DTX from G.729 was used, but others > >are possible. The CNG algorithm described could also be used with the > >other codecs, but this was not tested within the ITU. The idea of the > >payload and example algorithm was that they are generic, and may be used > >with any codec without a defined CNG mechanism. > > > >The appendix should be published and available from the ITU soon. It was > >just approved in February, and I am not sure of their turn-around time on > >such documents. > > > >Rob. > > > > > >At 10:45 AM 03/09/2000 -0800, Hari Krishna Vuppaladhadiam wrote: > >>Hi everyone, > >> > >> Are there any standards to generate CNG for the listed codecs like >G711, > >>G726 etc.. Can anyone show some pointers to it? > >> > >>Thanks > >>Hari > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > >>To: IETF-Announce: ; > >>Cc: rem-conf@es.net > >>Date: Thursday, March 09, 2000 3:43 AM > >>Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt > >> > >> > >> >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > >>directories. > >> >This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of >the > >>IETF. > >> > > >> > Title : RTP Payload for Comfort Noise > >> > Author(s) : R. Zopf > >> > Filename : draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt > >> > Pages : 6 > >> > Date : 08-Mar-00 > >> > > >> >This document describes an RTP [2] payload format for transporting > >> >comfort noise (CN). The CN payload type is primarily for use with > >> >audio codecs that do not support comfort noise as part of the codec > >> >itself such as ITU-T Recommendations G.711 [3], G.726 [4], G.727 > >> >[5], G.728 [6], and G.722 [7]. > >> > > >> >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > >> >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt > >> > > >> >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > >>username > >> >"anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, > >> >type "cd internet-drafts" and then > >> > "get draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt". > >> > > >> >A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > >> >http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > >> >or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > >> > > >> > > >> >Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > >> > > >> >Send a message to: > >> > mailserv@ietf.org. > >> >In the body type: > >> > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt". > >> > > >> >NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > >> > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > >> > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > >> > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > >> > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > >> > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > >> > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > >> > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > >> > how to manipulate these messages. > >> > > >> > > >> >Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > >> >implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > >> >Internet-Draft. > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Rob Zopf > >Principal Engineer > >Speech Technology Group > >Lucent Technologies, INS > > > >Phone : (732) 578-3207 > >Fax : (732) 578-3213 > >Email : zopf@lucent.com > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rob Zopf Principal Engineer Speech Technology Group Lucent Technologies, INS Phone : (732) 578-3207 Fax : (732) 578-3213 Email : zopf@lucent.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From rem-conf Fri Mar 10 02:16:39 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Mar 10 02:16:37 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12TMNJ-0003o4-00; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:10:29 -0800 Received: from wi3x05.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.106.5] (qmailr) by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12TMNH-0003ns-00; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:10:27 -0800 Received: (qmail 947 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2000 11:12:05 -0000 Received: from wi3d13.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (HELO informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de) (132.187.106.113) by wi3x05.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 11:12:05 -0000 Message-ID: <38C8CA6F.68622EBD@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:11:59 +0100 From: Michael Menth Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Universit=E4t=20W=FCrzburg?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Multiplexing Scheme for RTP-Flows between Access Routers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hello, I would like to report on the results of our investigations on multiplexing voice over IP using the RTP protocol suite. The efficiency of multiplexing depends highly on the multiplexing delay M: The longer the time for multiplexing is, the more packets can be multiplexed and the more overhead is avoided. The maximum allowed value for the (multiplexing and queuing) delay D in the mobile communication area is not fixed yet. It comes additional to the end-to-end delay of voice connections, therefore, it must be kept small. At the moment, values between 0.5 msec and 6 msec are discussed in 3GPP. We assumed that the resulting RTP-flow is policed individually in a strict QoS-IP network like in Integrated Services. Studies for D=1 msec have shown that the connection identifier (CID, maximum 256) is too small to reach a good multiplexing gain for a single RTP-connection. Consequently, to yield a good bandwidth exploitation, either more than one RTP flows must be bundled to one flow and be policed or spaced on a per flow basis or more than 1 octet should be spent in a general multiplexing framework for the CID value. The paper contains several performance investigation on VoIP and will be published at the "ITC Specialist Seminar on Mobile Systems and Mobility", March 22 - 24, 2000, Lillehammer, Norway. It can be downloaded from: http://www-info3.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de/staff/menth/Publications/ Best Regards, Michael -- Dipl.-Inform. Michael Menth University of Wuerzburg, Institute of Computer Science Am Hubland, D-97074 Wuerzburg, Germany, room A212 phone: (+49)-931/888-6644, fax: (+49)-931/888-6632 e-mail: menth@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de WWW: http://www-info3.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~menth From rem-conf Fri Mar 10 08:15:57 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Mar 10 08:15:55 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12TRsx-0007EK-00; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:03:31 -0800 Received: from isis.lip6.fr [132.227.60.2] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12TRss-0007EA-00; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:03:26 -0800 Received: from rp.lip6.fr (tibre.lip6.fr [132.227.74.2]) by isis.lip6.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.2) with ESMTP id RAA23582 ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:03:12 +0100 Received: from sapho (sapho.lip6.fr [132.227.61.54]) by rp.lip6.fr (8.8.8/jtpda-5.2) with SMTP id RAA22153 ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:03:10 +0100 (MET) From: "Timur Friedman" To: Cc: "Ramon Caceres" , "Kevin C. Almeroth" , "Kamil Sarac" Subject: new Internet Draft: RTCP Reporting Extensions Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:03:12 +0100 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hello, Attached is a new Internet Draft that we propose as a mechanism to extend RTCP receiver reports (RRs) and sender reports (SRs). The authors of this draft are Ramon Caceres, Kevin Almeroth, Kamil Sarac, and myself. We have encountered the need for such extended reports in their work on MRM (Almeroth, Sarac) and MINC (Caceres, Friedman). Inspired by these two projects (links below), this Draft aims to provide an extended reporting framework that will be of broad general use. We welcome your comments. 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M9&1R97-S97,*"B @(%1I;75R($9R:65D;6%N(#QF; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:54:08 +0100 Message-ID: From: CURET Dominique CNET/DMI/REN To: "'rem-conf@es.net'" Cc: GOULEAU Emmanuel CNET/DMI/REN , ROUX Catherine CNET/DMI/REN , 'Pierre Clement' Subject: proposed draft "An RTP payload format for Flexmultiplexed MPEG-4 streams" Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:54:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BF8CC9.B1584832" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list This message is in MIME format. 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[169.229.63.144]) by huginn.CS.Berkeley.EDU with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA07705 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:02:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:02:04 -0800 From: Koichi Yano To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: RTCP Retransmission Message-Id: <38CD817CA0.1648YANO@pop.cs.berkeley.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="TW9uLCAxMyBNYXIgMjAwMCAxNjowMjowNCAtMDgwMA==" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.25.06 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list --TW9uLCAxMyBNYXIgMjAwMCAxNjowMjowNCAtMDgwMA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain AVT working group, We submitted a revised internet draft about retransmission request framework for RTP. The major changes from the former draft are: - define this framework as a new profile. - include SSRC in NACK packets. - simpify packet format only for NACK. - exclude RX-protocol type from NACK format. Any feedback is welcome. 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This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. Title : RTP Payload Format for MPEG-4 with Flexible Error Resiliency Author(s) : C. Guillemot, P. Christ, S. Wesner, A. Klemets Filename : draft-ietf-avt-mpeg4streams-00.txt Pages : 18 Date : 13-Mar-00 This document describes a payload format, which can be used for the transport of both MPEG-4 Elementary Streams (ES), i.e audio, visual, BIFS and OD streams and MPEG-4 Sync Layer and Flexmux packet streams, in RTP [1] packets. The payload format allows for protec- tion against loss in a generic way. The mechanisms proposed can op- erate both on full and partial MPEG-4 ES Access Units, on Sync Layer packets, or Flexmux packets. These mechanisms can cover a broad range of protection schemes and avoid extra connection management complexity - e.g. for separate FEC channels - in MPEG-4 applications with a potentially high number of streams. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-mpeg4streams-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-avt-mpeg4streams-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-mpeg4streams-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000313135116.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-mpeg4streams-00.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-avt-mpeg4streams-00.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000313135116.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From rem-conf Tue Mar 14 03:22:20 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 14 03:22:18 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12UpJ8-0000Bm-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:16:14 -0800 Received: from odin.ietf.org (ietf.org) [132.151.1.176] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12UpJ7-0000Bc-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:16:13 -0800 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA18001; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:16:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003141116.GAA18001@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: rem-conf@es.net From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-07.txt,.ps Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:16:10 -0500 Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. Title : RTP: A Transport Protocol for Real-Time Applications Author(s) : H. Schulzrinne, S. Casner, R. Frederick, V. Jacobson Filename : draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-07.txt,.ps Pages : 101 Date : 13-Mar-00 This memorandum is a revision of RFC 1889 in preparation for advancement from Proposed Standard to Draft Standard status. Readers are encouraged to use the PostScript form of this draft to see where changes from RFC 1889 are marked by change bars. This memorandum describes RTP, the real-time transport protocol. RTP provides end-to-end network transport functions suitable for applications transmitting real-time data, such as audio, video or simulation data, over multicast or unicast network services. RTP does not address resource reservation and does not guarantee quality-of- service for real-time services. The data transport is augmented by a control protocol (RTCP) to allow monitoring of the data delivery in a manner scalable to large multicast networks, and to provide minimal control and identification functionality. RTP and RTCP are designed to be independent of the underlying transport and network layers. The protocol supports the use of RTP-level translators and mixers. This specification is a product of the Audio/Video Transport working group within the Internet Engineering Task Force. Comments are solicited and should be addressed to the working group's mailing list at rem-conf@es.net and/or the authors. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-07.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-07.txt". 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000313135128.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-07.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-07.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000313135128.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From rem-conf Tue Mar 14 03:22:20 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 14 03:22:18 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12UpIu-0000BC-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:16:00 -0800 Received: from odin.ietf.org (ietf.org) [132.151.1.176] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12UpIs-0000B2-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:15:58 -0800 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA17904; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:15:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003141115.GAA17904@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: rem-conf@es.net From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp2t-00.txt Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:15:54 -0500 Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. Title : Extension of RTP payload Type for Multiple Program MPEG Transport Stream Author(s) : H. Liu Filename : draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp2t-00.txt Pages : Date : 13-Mar-00 This document is to define a dynamic payload type that extends the payload type of 33, defined in RFC1890 [4] for MPEG2 transport streams. The usage of payload type of 33 is defined in RFC2250 [1]. This purpose of this extension is to enhance the RTP protocol in such way that it can be used to deliver multiple program MPEG transport stream as well. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp2t-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp2t-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp2t-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000313134928.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp2t-00.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp2t-00.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000313134928.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From rem-conf Tue Mar 14 03:22:20 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 14 03:22:18 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12UpIx-0000BO-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:16:03 -0800 Received: from odin.ietf.org (ietf.org) [132.151.1.176] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12UpIw-0000BE-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:16:03 -0800 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA17949; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:15:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003141115.GAA17949@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: rem-conf@es.net From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mime-02.txt Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:15:59 -0500 Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. Title : MIME Type Registration of RTP Payload Formats Author(s) : S. Casner, P. Hoschka Filename : draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mime-02.txt Pages : 17 Date : 13-Mar-00 This document defines the procedure to register RTP Payload Formats as audio, video or other MIME subtype names. This is useful in a text-based format or control protocol to identify the type of an RTP transmission. This document also registers all the RTP payload formats defined in the RTP Profile for Audio and Video Conferences as MIME subtypes. Some of these may also be used for transfer modes other than RTP. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mime-02.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mime-02.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mime-02.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000313135055.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mime-02.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mime-02.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000313135055.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From rem-conf Tue Mar 14 03:22:20 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 14 03:22:19 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12UpJE-0000By-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:16:20 -0800 Received: from odin.ietf.org (ietf.org) [132.151.1.176] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12UpJD-0000Bo-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:16:19 -0800 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA18041; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:16:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003141116.GAA18041@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: rem-conf@es.net From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-fecmime-01.txt Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:16:15 -0500 Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. Title : Registration of parityfec MIME types Author(s) : J. Rosenberg, H. Schulzrinne Filename : draft-ietf-avt-fecmime-01.txt Pages : 9 Date : 13-Mar-00 The RTP payload format for generic forward error correction allows RTP participants to improve loss resiliency through the use of traditional parity based channel codes. This payload format requires four new MIME types, audio/parityfec, video/parityfec, text/parityfec and application/parityfec. This document serves as the MIME type registration for those formats. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-fecmime-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-avt-fecmime-01.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-fecmime-01.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000313135139.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-fecmime-01.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-avt-fecmime-01.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000313135139.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From rem-conf Tue Mar 14 03:22:20 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 14 03:22:20 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12UpJK-0000CA-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:16:26 -0800 Received: from odin.ietf.org (ietf.org) [132.151.1.176] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12UpJJ-0000C0-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:16:25 -0800 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA18075; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:16:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003141116.GAA18075@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: rem-conf@es.net From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtcp-bw-01.txt Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:16:21 -0500 Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. Title : SDP Bandwidth Modifiers for RTCP Bandwidth Author(s) : S. Casner Filename : draft-ietf-avt-rtcp-bw-01.txt Pages : 6 Date : 13-Mar-00 This document defines an extension to the Session Description Pro- tocol (SDP) to specify two additional modifiers for the bandwidth attribute. These modifiers may be used to specify the bandwidth allowed for RTCP packets in a Real-Time Transport Protocol (RTP) session. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtcp-bw-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-avt-rtcp-bw-01.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtcp-bw-01.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000313135149.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtcp-bw-01.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-avt-rtcp-bw-01.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000313135149.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From rem-conf Tue Mar 14 06:02:53 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 14 06:02:52 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Uroy-0005oz-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 05:57:16 -0800 Received: from ferao.jungle.bt.co.uk [132.146.107.45] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Urow-0005og-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 05:57:14 -0800 Received: from sherekhan.jungle.bt.co.uk (sherekhan [132.146.107.25]) by ferao.jungle.bt.co.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/Jungle-8.9.1-03) with SMTP id NAA28846 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:47:11 GMT Received: from jungle.bt.co.uk ([132.146.107.59]) by sherekhan.jungle.bt.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 00 13:47:09 GMT Message-Id: <38CE454D.ABB78C50@jungle.bt.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:57:33 +0000 From: Sylvie Brunelle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-07.txt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hi, is that possible to know where are the differences between the draft draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-06.txt and the new draft draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-07.txt? This would enable me going directly to these parts. Thanks, Sylvie -- Sylvie BRUNELLE BT Labs - Adastral Park (UK) - B54/70 Work: +44 1473 648 734 Home: +44 1473 219 311 sylvie@jungle.bt.co.uk From rem-conf Tue Mar 14 07:27:34 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 14 07:27:33 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12UtAW-0007L2-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:23:36 -0800 Received: from gwsmtp.thomson-csf.com [195.101.39.226] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12UtAR-0007K1-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:23:32 -0800 X-Internal-ID: 38CE183E0000605B Received: from thomplex.thomson-csf.com (200.3.2.2) by gwsmtp.thomson-csf.com (NPlex 2.0.124) for rem-conf@es.net; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:20:17 +0100 X-Internal-ID: 38CDE8AC0000C137 Received: from thomplex.thomson-csf.com (200.3.2.2) by thomplex.thomson-csf.com (NPlex 2.0.124) for rem-conf@es.net; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:20:10 +0100 Received: from 178.1.4.1 by thomplex.thomson-csf.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:20:08 +0100 (Paris, Madrid) X-Internal-ID: 385F71DE00025521 Received: from minos.snmrennes.thomcast.thomson-csf.com (178.3.1.10) by cnfplex.thomcast.thomson-csf.com (NPlex 2.0.124) for rem-conf@es.net; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:26:15 +0100 Received: from thomcast.thomson-csf.com ([178.3.1.228]) by minos.snmrennes.thomcast.thomson-csf.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62) with ESMTP id 593; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:14:56 +0100 Message-ID: <38CE585E.1478C084@thomcast.thomson-csf.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:18:54 +0100 From: "Pierre Clement" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jan.vandermeer@philips.com, "rem-conf@es.net" CC: HerpelC@thmulti.com, 4on2andIP-sys@advent.ee.columbia.edu, Dominique CURET Subject: Re: AHG report References: <0056890009627376000002L962*@MHS> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------77B04098938D45D2F30E5261" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Il s'agit d'un message multivolet au format MIME. --------------77B04098938D45D2F30E5261 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Dear all, There is also a document on Flexmux over IP that was posted last Monday o= n the "rem-conf" reflector. Its title is "An RTP payload format for Flexmultiplexed MPEG-4 streams" = ; the proposed document is attached in this email. The attached document comes from the IST/OpenIse European project. Regards Pierre jan.vandermeer@philips.com a =E9crit : > Carsten, > > I understand that the document on FlexMux over IP is also input to MPEG= ; > number 5858 is assigned. Next to the current recommendation in the AHG > report, I suggest we also recommend to discuss this issue in > Noordwijkerhout. > > Kind regards, > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: HerpelC@thmulti.com [mailto:HerpelC@thmulti.com] > Sent: dinsdag, 14 maart, 2000 14:37 > To: 4on2andIP-sys@advent.ee.columbia.edu > Subject: AHG report > > << File: M5899.zip >> > Dear all, > > this is to report the relative silence on this reflector with some > (interesting!) background activity. > > Regards, > Carsten > > INTERNATIONAL ORGANISATION FOR STANDARDISATION > ORGANISATION INTERNATIONALE DE NORMALISATION > ISO/IEC JTC1/SC29/WG11 > CODING OF MOVING PICTURES AND AUDIO > > ISO/IEC JTC1/SC29/WG11 > MPEG2000/5899 > March 2000 > > Title: Report of AHG on MPEG-4 Content on MPEG-2 Systems > and on the Internet > Co-chairs: Carsten Herpel, Jan van der Meer > > The following activities were conducted by the ahg with respect to the > mandate. > The final text of IS 13818-1 / AMD7 was prepared by the editors and > submitted to the ITU-T for possible inclusion in the second edition of = IS > 13818-1. The editors were notified that ITU-T has approved this text an= d its > inclusion in IS 13818-1:2000. > > No activity with respect to MPEG-4 transport over IP was recorded withi= n the > AHG, however, two new I-Ds are proposed to the IETF. 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(8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA29686; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:34:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from 141.11.194.5 by parexch3.paris.thmulti.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:36:12 +0100 (Romance Standard Time) Received: by parexch3.thmulti.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:36:12 +0100 Message-ID: <2CEEE9E85750D2119F4000805F3172884C2876@hanexch1.hanover.thmulti.com> From: Herpel Carsten To: "'Pierre Clement'" Cc: 4on2andIP-sys@advent.ee.columbia.edu, "'rem-conf@es.net'" Subject: RE: AHG report Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:35:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Pierre, my understanding is that those two are actually the same document. = Actually, the MPEG document has your name on it ;-) Carsten -----Original Message----- From: Pierre Clement [mailto:pierre.clement@thomcast.thomson-csf.com] Sent: Dienstag, 14. M=E4rz 2000 16:19 To: jan.vandermeer@philips.com; rem-conf@es.net Cc: HerpelC@thmulti.com; 4on2andIP-sys@advent.ee.columbia.edu; = Dominique CURET Subject: Re: AHG report Dear all, There is also a document on Flexmux over IP that was posted last Monday = on the "rem-conf" reflector. Its title is "An RTP payload format for Flexmultiplexed MPEG-4 = streams" ; the proposed document is attached in this email. The attached document comes from the IST/OpenIse European project. Regards Pierre jan.vandermeer@philips.com a =E9crit : > Carsten, > > I understand that the document on FlexMux over IP is also input to = MPEG; > number 5858 is assigned. Next to the current recommendation in the = AHG > report, I suggest we also recommend to discuss this issue in > Noordwijkerhout. > > Kind regards, > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: HerpelC@thmulti.com [mailto:HerpelC@thmulti.com] > Sent: dinsdag, 14 maart, 2000 14:37 > To: 4on2andIP-sys@advent.ee.columbia.edu > Subject: AHG report > > << File: M5899.zip >> > Dear all, > > this is to report the relative silence on this reflector with some > (interesting!) background activity. > > Regards, > Carsten > > INTERNATIONAL ORGANISATION FOR STANDARDISATION > ORGANISATION INTERNATIONALE DE NORMALISATION > ISO/IEC JTC1/SC29/WG11 > CODING OF MOVING PICTURES AND AUDIO > > ISO/IEC JTC1/SC29/WG11 > MPEG2000/5899 > March 2000 > > Title: Report of AHG on MPEG-4 Content on MPEG-2 Systems > and on the Internet > Co-chairs: Carsten Herpel, Jan van der Meer > > The following activities were conducted by the ahg with respect to = the > mandate. > The final text of IS 13818-1 / AMD7 was prepared by the editors and > submitted to the ITU-T for possible inclusion in the second edition = of IS > 13818-1. The editors were notified that ITU-T has approved this text = and its > inclusion in IS 13818-1:2000. > > No activity with respect to MPEG-4 transport over IP was recorded = within the > AHG, however, two new I-Ds are proposed to the IETF. One covers = FlexMux over > RTP, the second one is another iteration of the MPEG-4 payload format = by > Guillemot et al. > Recommendations > > =B7 Encourage interested parties to join IETF to further develop the = MPEG-4 > over IP specification. From rem-conf Tue Mar 14 09:37:29 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 14 09:37:29 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12UvBv-0002Rx-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:33:11 -0800 Received: from p-biset.issy.cnet.fr [139.100.0.33] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12UvBu-0002Rm-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:33:10 -0800 Received: by p-biset.issy.cnet.fr with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:32:48 +0100 Message-ID: From: CURET Dominique CNET/DMI/REN To: 'Herpel Carsten' , 'Pierre Clement' Cc: 4on2andIP-sys@advent.ee.columbia.edu, "'rem-conf@es.net'" Subject: RE: AHG report Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:33:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hi Carsten, Hi Jan, Hi Pierre, Hi all As Pierre said the draft is under registration at IETF. It was first = last friday. It had to be sent again, today, as It was first sent as a = zipped file, which was not accepted. This draft comes from people (France Telecom and Thomcast) = participating currently in the IST/OPENISE project, but as it is said in the "Acknlowledgments" paragraph of the draft, this draft benefits from discussions that took place last year in our common IETF/MPEG Ad Hoc = group. As I told to Jan, there is an MPEG contribution (5858) reflecting the proposed draft sent to IETF. I wrote the MPEG contribution to allow us = to discuss the point during our next MPEG meeting.=20 I hope there is no conflict between IETF and MPEG on that point:=20 Am I allowed to send the 'IETF'proposed draft, also to MPEG, before = IETF can have a look at it, discuss it and ask for modifications to it? I thought there was no arm doing this. The minutes of the discussion = that will take place in MPEG, can be sent to the IETF/avt chairman before = the next IETF/avt meeting, in order to facilitate our common understanding = and standardisation process.=20 An other point that I woud like also to make is that, as there is a = number of new IETF/avt drafts that are close to the concern of our Ad Hoc = group and that are of great interest, It could be interesting during the next = "MPEG week" to have a session dedicated to our Ad Hoc group concerns, where a digest of the incoming IETF/avt drafts could be presented. best regards Dominique _________________________________________ dominique.curet@cnet.francetelecom.fr CNET/DSM/RENNES Direction des Services de diffusion et Multim=E9dia Lab. R=E9seaux de Diffusion et de Consultation=20 % + 33 (0)2 99 12 40 05 Fax : + 33 (0)2 99 12 40 98 ) CCETT B.P. 59 4, rue du Clos Courtel=20 35512 Cesson-Sevigne Cedex FRANCE -----Message d'origine----- De: Herpel Carsten [mailto:HerpelC@thmulti.com] Date: mardi 14 mars 2000 16:35 =C0: 'Pierre Clement' Cc: 4on2andIP-sys@advent.ee.columbia.edu; 'rem-conf@es.net' Objet: RE: AHG report Pierre, my understanding is that those two are actually the same document. = Actually, the MPEG document has your name on it ;-) Carsten -----Original Message----- From: Pierre Clement [mailto:pierre.clement@thomcast.thomson-csf.com] Sent: Dienstag, 14. M=E4rz 2000 16:19 To: jan.vandermeer@philips.com; rem-conf@es.net Cc: HerpelC@thmulti.com; 4on2andIP-sys@advent.ee.columbia.edu; = Dominique CURET Subject: Re: AHG report Dear all, There is also a document on Flexmux over IP that was posted last Monday = on the "rem-conf" reflector. Its title is "An RTP payload format for Flexmultiplexed MPEG-4 = streams" ; the proposed document is attached in this email. The attached document comes from the IST/OpenIse European project. Regards Pierre jan.vandermeer@philips.com a =E9crit : > Carsten, > > I understand that the document on FlexMux over IP is also input to = MPEG; > number 5858 is assigned. Next to the current recommendation in the = AHG > report, I suggest we also recommend to discuss this issue in > Noordwijkerhout. > > Kind regards, > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: HerpelC@thmulti.com [mailto:HerpelC@thmulti.com] > Sent: dinsdag, 14 maart, 2000 14:37 > To: 4on2andIP-sys@advent.ee.columbia.edu > Subject: AHG report > > << File: M5899.zip >> > Dear all, > > this is to report the relative silence on this reflector with some > (interesting!) background activity. > > Regards, > Carsten > > INTERNATIONAL ORGANISATION FOR STANDARDISATION > ORGANISATION INTERNATIONALE DE NORMALISATION > ISO/IEC JTC1/SC29/WG11 > CODING OF MOVING PICTURES AND AUDIO > > ISO/IEC JTC1/SC29/WG11 > MPEG2000/5899 > March 2000 > > Title: Report of AHG on MPEG-4 Content on MPEG-2 Systems > and on the Internet > Co-chairs: Carsten Herpel, Jan van der Meer > > The following activities were conducted by the ahg with respect to = the > mandate. > The final text of IS 13818-1 / AMD7 was prepared by the editors and > submitted to the ITU-T for possible inclusion in the second edition = of IS > 13818-1. The editors were notified that ITU-T has approved this text = and its > inclusion in IS 13818-1:2000. > > No activity with respect to MPEG-4 transport over IP was recorded = within the > AHG, however, two new I-Ds are proposed to the IETF. One covers = FlexMux over > RTP, the second one is another iteration of the MPEG-4 payload format = by > Guillemot et al. > Recommendations > > =B7 Encourage interested parties to join IETF to further develop the = MPEG-4 > over IP specification. From rem-conf Tue Mar 14 10:13:20 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 14 10:13:19 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Uvkx-0003Sy-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:09:23 -0800 Received: from gumby.cs.berkeley.edu [128.32.32.38] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Uvkw-0003So-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:09:22 -0800 Received: from sockeye (sockeye.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.36.74]) by gumby.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA28235; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:59:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000314100000.00ab9100@plateau.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: florissa@plateau.cs.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:00:00 -0800 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: Florissa Colina Subject: 3/15 Caching Support in Standards-based RTSP/RTP Servers -- Alagu Periyannan, Entera, Inc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Berkeley Multimedia, Graphics and Interfaces Seminar Caching Support in Standards-based RTSP/RTP Servers Wednesday March 15, 2000 1:10 - 2:30 PST Fujitsu Seminar Room (405 Soda Hall) Alagu Periyannan Entera, Inc. This talk discusses a set of mechanisms to enable streaming media caching between standards-based RTSP/RTP servers and proxies. Streaming media caching refers to the process through which streaming content is dynamically replicated closer to users so as to provide a better viewing experience. The challenges in solving the streaming media caching problem are discussed. Enhancements to the IETF standard RTSP protocol are presented. --------------- The seminar is broadcast live on the Internet Mbone and as a Real Networks G2 broadcast. You can connect to the live RealNetworks broadcast at: http://media2.bmrc.berkeley.edu/bibs/schedule.cfm You'll see a link to cs298-5/real networks/live programs. You can also directly put in this url into the Real Player: rtsp://media2.bmrc.berkeley.edu/encoder/cs298-5.rm To do so you will need to have the "Real Player G2" installed, which is available from: http://www.real.com/products/player/downloadrealplayer.html To tune into the Internet MBone broadcast, look for the announcement in your MBone session directory program ('sdr'). If you are not receiving the announcement you may be able to receive the session by manually configuring the client programs ('vic', and 'vat') with the session addresses: low bit rate video: 233.0.25.1/22334 audio: 233.0.25.2/22446 medium bit rate video: 233.0.25.129/22334 audio: 233.0.25.2/22446 You can get further information about this seminar, and access to replays of previous seminars at the MIG Seminar web page: http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/298/index.html Sponsored by the Berkeley Multimedia Research Center From rem-conf Tue Mar 14 10:27:56 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 14 10:27:55 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Uw0l-0004Iz-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:25:43 -0800 Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (newdev.harvard.edu) [140.247.60.212] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Uw0j-0004Ip-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:25:41 -0800 Received: (from sob@localhost) by newdev.harvard.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10151; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:25:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:25:36 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Bradner Message-Id: <200003141825.NAA10151@newdev.harvard.edu> To: dominique.curet@cnet.francetelecom.fr Subject: RE: AHG report Cc: rem-conf@es.net X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list > Am I allowed to send the 'IETF'proposed draft, also to MPEG, before IETF can > have a look at it, discuss it and ask for modifications to it? 1/ IETF documents are open to all 2/ there is no such thing as an "'IETF'proposed draft 3/ go ahead and foward it (or a pointer to it) but state clearly that this a dorking document and does not represent any sort of IETF endorcement of anything in the internet draft Scott From rem-conf Tue Mar 14 17:38:07 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 14 17:38:05 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12V2fB-00017h-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:31:53 -0800 Received: from (ami4000.hei.co.kr) [202.30.128.130] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12V2f9-00017F-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:31:52 -0800 Received: from aaa ([166.125.29.59]) by ami4000.hei.co.kr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07961 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:31:05 +0900 (KST) Message-ID: <007501bf8e1e$4e94c940$3b1d7da6@hei.co.kr> From: "Nam Kyu Kim" To: References: <200003141116.GAA18001@ietf.org> Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-07.txt,.ps Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:31:46 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="EUC-KR" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hello everyone. >=20 > This memorandum is a revision of RFC 1889 in preparation for > advancement from Proposed Standard to Draft Standard status. Readers > are encouraged to use the PostScript form of this draft to see where > changes from RFC 1889 are marked by change bars. > Would you let me know where I can get the PostScript form of that draft. Thank you in advance. Have a nice day.. ----------------------------------------------------- Nam Kyu Kim=20 R & D Team 9 Mobile Telecommunication Terminal Division HYUNDAI ELECTRONICS INDUSTRIES Co., Ltd. TEL : (82-2)580-5511 FAX : (82-2)580-5487 Home : (82-2)2282-3077 C.P. : 017-211-3077 E-mail : batman@good.to ----------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf Tue Mar 14 17:45:10 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 14 17:45:10 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12V2oX-0001Ng-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:41:33 -0800 Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12V2oW-0001NQ-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:41:32 -0800 Received: from tis2.tis.toshiba.co.jp (tis2 [133.199.160.66]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (3.7W:TOSHIBA-ISC-2000030918) with ESMTP id KAA03598; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:40:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from mx2.toshiba.co.jp by tis2.tis.toshiba.co.jp (8.8.4+2.7Wbeta4/3.3W9-95082317) id KAA12920; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:40:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from mailhost.eel.rdc.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp (8.7.1+2.6Wbeta4/3.3W9-TOSHIBA-GLOBAL SERVER) id KAA29330; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:40:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kaiji (kwa0114.mobile.toshiba.co.jp [133.120.199.30]) by mailhost.eel.rdc.toshiba.co.jp (8.9.3/1.10) with SMTP id KAA54153; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:40:51 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <01d401bf8e1f$2770d6a0$1ec77885@kaiji> From: "Yoshihiro Kikuchi" To: "4on2andIP-sys" <4on2andIP-sys@advent.ee.columbia.edu>, Cc: "Yoshihiro Kikuchi" , "Yoshinori MATSUI" , "Toshiyuki Nomura" , "Toshiro Kawahara" , "Shigeru Fukunaga" , "Hidenobu Harasaki" , "Hideaki Kimata" , "Yoshihiro Miyamoto" Subject: Result of MPEG-4 Visual RTP Interoperability Test Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:38:13 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dear MPEG&IETF RTP experts, I have upload the following contribution to the MPEG Noordwijkerhout meeting to the MPEG ftp site. [m5799] Title: Preliminary Result of MPEG-4 Visual RTP Interoperability Test Source: Toshiba, Matsushita, NEC, Oki In this contribution, we describe the result of the interoperability test for the MPEG-4 Audio/Visual RTP payload format. (draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mpeg4-es-00) The test was conducted by four companies (Matsushita, NEC, Oki and Toshiba) using MPEG-4 Visual Simple Profile as well as Core Profile (arbitrary shaped object). All steps of the interoperability test, including video and RTP stream exchanges and the final step with network connection, were finished successfully. This verifies the maturity and interoperability of the MPEG-4 Visual RTP payload format. We would like to do some demonstrations in Noordwijkerhout (and Adelaide, if possible) to show this interoperability test result. Best regards, Yoshihiro ---- Yoshihiro Kikuchi E-mail: kiku@eel.rdc.toshiba.co.jp Corporate Research and Development Center TOSHIBA Corporation TEL: +81 +44 549 2288 FAX: +81 +44 520 1267 From rem-conf Wed Mar 15 00:49:43 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 15 00:49:42 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12V9OY-0005pX-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:43:10 -0800 Received: from p-biset.issy.cnet.fr [139.100.0.33] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12V9OW-0005pN-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:43:09 -0800 Received: by p-biset.issy.cnet.fr with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:42:40 +0100 Message-ID: From: CURET Dominique CNET/DMI/REN To: 'Scott Bradner' , rem-conf@es.net Subject: RE: AHG report Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:42:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dear Scott, dear all 1/ IETF documents are open to all: that is not the case within MPEG. This was the reason of my question. 2/ there is no such thing as an "'IETF'proposed draft What I called an "'IETF'proposed draft", is what I sent to ietf.org who = told me to sent it again non zipped, what I did. 3/ go ahead and foward it (or a pointer to it) but state clearly that this a dorking document and does not represent any sort of IETF endorcement of anything in the internet draft This, of course, is done at the beginning of the document. best regards _________________________________________ dominique.curet@cnet.francetelecom.fr CNET/DSM/RENNES Direction des Services de diffusion et Multim=E9dia Lab. R=E9seaux de Diffusion et de Consultation=20 % + 33 (0)2 99 12 40 05 Fax : + 33 (0)2 99 12 40 98 ) CCETT B.P. 59 4, rue du Clos Courtel=20 35512 Cesson-Sevigne Cedex FRANCE -----Message d'origine----- De: Scott Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu] Date: mardi 14 mars 2000 19:26 =C0: dominique.curet@cnet.francetelecom.fr Cc: rem-conf@es.net Objet: RE: AHG report > Am I allowed to send the 'IETF'proposed draft, also to MPEG, before = IETF can > have a look at it, discuss it and ask for modifications to it? 1/ IETF documents are open to all 2/ there is no such thing as an "'IETF'proposed draft 3/ go ahead and foward it (or a pointer to it) but state clearly that this a dorking document and does not represent any sort of IETF endorcement of anything in the internet draft Scott From rem-conf Wed Mar 15 01:55:01 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 15 01:55:00 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VART-00076S-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:50:15 -0800 Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VARO-00075T-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:50:11 -0800 Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23779; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:48:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.8.8+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id KAA15693; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:44:31 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <38CF5B7E.9226D1BF@cs.utwente.nl> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:44:30 +0100 From: Clever Ricardo Guareis de Farias Organization: CTIT - Centre for Telematics and Information Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: IDMS'2000: deadline extension Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list [we apology if you receive multiple copies of this message] Announcement and Call for Papers IDMS'2000 7th International Workshop on Interactive Distributed Multimedia Systems and Telecommunication Services 17-20 October 2000 CTIT / Univ. of Twente, Enschede, The Netherlands in co-operation with ACM SIGCOMM and SIGMM http://www.ctit.utwente.nl/Docs/news/idms_2000.htm Based on numerous requests, we have decided to extend the deadline for IDMS'2000 paper submission. The new, hard deadline for submitting both full papers and position papers is: March 31, 2000. For details, please refer to the conference website. From rem-conf Wed Mar 15 03:34:02 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 15 03:34:02 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VBrc-0000sN-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:21:20 -0800 Received: from odin.ietf.org (ietf.org) [132.151.1.176] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VBra-0000sC-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:21:18 -0800 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27830; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:21:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003151121.GAA27830@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: rem-conf@es.net From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-dv-audio-01.txt Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:21:14 -0500 Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. Title : RTP Payload Format for 12 bits, 20bits and 24 bits DV Audio Author(s) : K. Kobayashi, A. Ogawa, S. Casner, C. Bormann Filename : draft-ietf-avt-dv-audio-01.txt Pages : 12 Date : 14-Mar-00 This document specifies the packetization scheme for encapsulating the 12-bit nonlinear, 20-bit linear and 24-bit linear audio data streams into a payload of the Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP). This draft also specifies the way of SDP announcement, when the audio data is preemphasized before sampling. The treatment of preemphasized audio data specified this document could be used in other audio formats such as L16. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-dv-audio-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-avt-dv-audio-01.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-dv-audio-01.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000314132256.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-dv-audio-01.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-avt-dv-audio-01.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000314132256.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From rem-conf Wed Mar 15 03:34:07 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 15 03:34:07 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VBrg-0000sa-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:21:24 -0800 Received: from odin.ietf.org (ietf.org) [132.151.1.176] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VBrf-0000sQ-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:21:23 -0800 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27863; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:21:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003151121.GAA27863@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: rem-conf@es.net From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-dv-video-02.txt Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:21:19 -0500 Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. Title : RTP Payload Format for DV Format Video Author(s) : K. Kobayashi, A. OgawaS. Casner, C. Bormann Filename : draft-ietf-avt-dv-video-02.txt Pages : 11 Date : 14-Mar-00 This document specifies the packetization scheme for encapsulating the compressed digital video data streams commonly known as 'DV' into a payload format for the Real-Time Transport Protocol (RTP). There are two kinds of DV, one for consumer use and the other for professional. The original 'DV' specification designed for consumer- use digital VCRs is approved as the IEC 61834 standard set. The specifications for professional DV are published as SMPTE 306M(D-7) and 314M(D-9). Both are based on consumer DV. The RTP payload format specified in this document supports IEC 61834 consumer DV and professional SMPTE 306M and 314M(DV-Based) formats. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dear RTP experts, I'm prepared to be target of a massive flame attack, however I simply cannot resist to post this: I haven been asking myself the following (maybe naive) question for some time: Why are SSRC IDs not reserved in a way that makes sure that they are unique for a given session. IMHO the possibility of SSRC ID collisions contributes a lot to the complexity of a complete and correct RTP implementation. At least for the RTP implementation I have done recently it would have been a significant reduction of error prone code if the SSRC ID would be constant and guaranteed to be unique. Essentially the whole problem dealt with in section 8 of the current draft would vanish. I do know that SSRC ID collisions are extremely rare. However, this makes it all the more likely that a given RTP implementation will not correctly handle a collision when it does occur. I am also aware that in order to reserve unique SSRC IDs, some centralized authority to distribute SSRC IDs (possibly on a per session basis) is required. While in a multicast centered environment this might seem odd (to put it mildly) it does not seem to be really inappropriate. The network traffic and processing for reserving SSRC IDs should be acceptable even for large number of participants, since the required data is really small (a couple of bytes, most likely the UDP/IP header would account for more data than the content of the packet). In order to protect against the failure of a single server, the SSRC ID number space could be divided to be served by multiple (say a hundred?) servers. What am I missing? Something obvious? I would appreciate any feedback .... thanks for reading, Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Mauve University of Mannheim Praktische Informatik IV Phone: +49-621-181-2616 L 15,16 Fax : +49-621-181-2601 68131 Mannheim mauve@pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de Germany --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf Wed Mar 15 08:06:34 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 15 08:06:33 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VGFO-0005rg-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:02:10 -0800 Received: from ganymede.or.intel.com [134.134.248.3] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VGFN-0005rV-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:02:09 -0800 Received: from SMTP (orsmsxvs02-1.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.201]) by ganymede.or.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.19 2000/01/29 00:15:43 dmccart Exp $) with SMTP id IAA02764; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from orsmsx29.jf.intel.com ([192.168.70.29]) by 192.168.70.201 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:01:49 0000 (GMT) Received: by orsmsx29.jf.intel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:01:48 -0800 Message-ID: <7DAA70BEB463D211AC3E00A0C96B7AB20344B63D@orsmsx41.jf.intel.com> From: "Strahm, Bill" To: "'Martin Mauve'" , rem-conf@es.net Subject: RE: Unique SSRC IDs? Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:01:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Is your company willing to provide this service free of charge to all users of RTP Implementations ??? By this I mean you will have to deploy a very large distributed database around the world that anyone can connect to (how will you deal with the fact that some conversations will happen in non-routable address spaces I do not know). I would expect that this service would cost your company millions of dollars to setup and maintain over the years... Is that cheaper or writting SSRC colision code ? Bill Ok, so this sounded more like a flame, just trying to point out in blunt terms why we don't do things like this... ______________________________________________ Bill Strahm Programming today is a race between bill.strahm@ software engineers striving to build intel.com bigger and better idiot-proof programs, (503) 264-4632 and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.--Rich Cook I am not speaking for Intel. And Intel rarely speaks for me > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Mauve [mailto:mauve@pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de] > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 5:15 AM > To: rem-conf@es.net > Subject: Unique SSRC IDs? > > > Dear RTP experts, > > I'm prepared to be target of a massive flame attack, however I simply > cannot resist to post this: > > I haven been asking myself the following (maybe naive) question for > some time: Why are SSRC IDs not reserved in a way that makes > sure that they are unique for a given session. > > IMHO the possibility of SSRC ID collisions contributes a lot to the > complexity of a complete and correct RTP implementation. At least > for the RTP implementation I have done recently it would have been > a significant reduction of error prone code if the SSRC ID would > be constant and guaranteed to be unique. Essentially the whole > problem dealt with in section 8 of the current draft would vanish. > I do know that SSRC ID collisions are extremely rare. However, > this makes it all the more likely that a given RTP implementation > will not correctly handle a collision when it does occur. > > I am also aware that in order to reserve unique SSRC IDs, some > centralized authority to distribute SSRC IDs (possibly > on a per session basis) is required. While in a multicast > centered environment this might seem odd (to put it mildly) > it does not seem to be really inappropriate. The network traffic > and processing for reserving SSRC IDs should be acceptable even > for large number of participants, since the required data is > really small (a couple of bytes, most likely the UDP/IP header would > account for more data than the content of the packet). In order > to protect against the failure of a single server, the SSRC ID number > space could be divided to be served by multiple (say a > hundred?) servers. > > What am I missing? Something obvious? > > I would appreciate any feedback .... > > > thanks for reading, > > Martin > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > Martin Mauve > University of Mannheim > Praktische Informatik IV Phone: > +49-621-181-2616 > L 15,16 Fax : > +49-621-181-2601 > 68131 Mannheim > mauve@pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de > Germany > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > > From rem-conf Wed Mar 15 08:59:20 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 15 08:59:19 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VH5K-00079J-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:55:50 -0800 Received: from pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de [134.155.48.96] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VH5I-000798-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:55:49 -0800 Received: from pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de (mauve@pi4 [134.155.48.96]) by pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07415; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:54:02 +0100 (MET) Sender: mauve@pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de Message-ID: <38CFC029.C9FCCBA0@pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:54:01 +0100 From: Martin Mauve Organization: University of Mannheim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Strahm, Bill" CC: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Unique SSRC IDs? References: <7DAA70BEB463D211AC3E00A0C96B7AB20344B63D@orsmsx41.jf.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hi, thanks for your reply - I would like to comment on your answer: Strahm, Bill wrote: > Is your company willing to provide this service free of charge to all users > of RTP Implementations ??? I'm tempted to answer yes. I was thinking of a unique number service because I needed to assign unique numbers to objects in a shared virtual world. Incidentally I noticed that this would also allow me to get rid of all the code I had to write for SSRC collisions. Moreover, it might also be useful for reliable multicast where a collision of the sender IDs might have catastrophic impact. To summarize I (maybe naively) thought that something like a unique numbering service might be something which is interesting for many applications that need to assign unique IDs in a distributed fashion. While it would be nice to have a global unique numbering service which can be used for all kinds of applications (including RTP) this is not required to have unique SSRCs. All that is needed is to make sure that the participants of a session agree on a (set of) server(s) from which they receive the unique ID. No need for a new startup company that sells unique IDs, even though you'd probably be rich within a couple of month if you decided to do so :). > By this I mean you will have to deploy a very large distributed database > around the world that anyone can connect to (how will you deal with the fact > that some conversations will happen in non-routable address spaces I do not > know). This will be an extremely simple database. A set of servers would devoid the address space so that it is non overlapping (no problem since SSRC IDs are no scarce resource). To get an ID one would send an identifier for the session to one of the servers and get back the unique number. The operations on the server are trivial and the transferred data is minimal. Of course one could make this more sophisticated with timing out IDs and doing lots of other fancy stuff, but the base functionality is so simple that there should be no real problem. Moreover there might exist an arbitrary amount of these sets of servers. An number is only unique within one set. So there is no need to build up a global infrastructure for all applications using unique numbers (even though in the long run there might be a lot of applications using such a facility). > I would expect that this service would cost your company millions of dollars > to setup and maintain over the years... Is that cheaper or writting SSRC > colision code ? Maybe I should rephrase my question: If there were a unique numbering service which is freely available - would it be of use, would it be appropriate, for RTP? thanks, Martin From rem-conf Wed Mar 15 09:12:08 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 15 09:12:08 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VHIY-00006H-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:09:30 -0800 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.5.31] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VHIX-000067-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:09:29 -0800 Received: from eucharisto.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:09:14 +0000 To: Martin Mauve cc: "Strahm, Bill" , rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Unique SSRC IDs? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:54:01 +0100." <38CFC029.C9FCCBA0@pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:09:14 +0000 Message-ID: <1440.953140154@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Jon Crowcroft X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list In message <38CFC029.C9FCCBA0@pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de>, Martin Mauve typ ed: >>> By this I mean you will have to deploy a very large distributed database >>> around the world that anyone can connect to (how will you deal with the fact >>> that some conversations will happen in non-routable address spaces I do not >>> know). like multicast address allocation servers one might comment :-) >>This will be an extremely simple database. A set of servers would devoid >>the address space so that it is non overlapping (no problem since SSRC IDs >>are no scarce resource). To get an ID one would send an identifier for the >>session to one of the servers and get back the unique number. The operations >>on the server are trivial and the transferred data is minimal. Of course one >>could make this more sophisticated with timing out IDs and doing lots of >>other fancy stuff, but the base functionality is so simple that there >>should be no real problem. Moreover there might exist an arbitrary amount of >>these sets of servers. An number is only unique within one set. So there is >>no need to build up a global infrastructure for all applications using unique >>numbers (even though in the long run there might be a lot of applications >>using such a facility). i think that this is also somethign we are wrestling with with object naming in RMRG and RMT btw.... >>> I would expect that this service would cost your company millions of dollars >>> to setup and maintain over the years... Is that cheaper or writting SSRC >>> colision code ? >> >>Maybe I should rephrase my question: >>If there were a unique numbering service which is freely available - would it be >>of use, would it be appropriate, for RTP? for lots of things cheers jon From rem-conf Wed Mar 15 11:49:19 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 15 11:49:19 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VJif-0002oK-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:44:37 -0800 Received: from cs.columbia.edu [128.59.16.20] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VJie-0002o9-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:44:36 -0800 Received: from cs.columbia.edu (bart.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.19.191]) by cs.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05820; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:44:32 -0500 (EST) Sender: hgs@cs.columbia.edu Message-ID: <38CFE81A.E8AB209E@cs.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:44:26 -0500 From: Henning Schulzrinne Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Strahm, Bill" CC: "'Martin Mauve'" , rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Unique SSRC IDs? References: <7DAA70BEB463D211AC3E00A0C96B7AB20344B63D@orsmsx41.jf.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list There are several problems with a centralized unique ID allocator: - yet another point of failure (calls to mind Tanenbaum's dictum about distributed systems which fail because a system fails that you didn't even know existed) - yet another target for a high-payoff denial-of-service attack (neat - I can shut down the world's telephone, TV and radio by shutting down the number server...) - how do you keep me (and various copies of my little virus) from sucking up all identifiers for some high-profile event? - firewalls, NATs - making sure that identifiers get returned - kind of a global DHCP problem, just much worse - fast joins for channel surfing add another step (and with channel surfing, the number of requests to this server could be quite large) Thus, I'd think that some test code that exercises the SSRC allocation would be a far more useful contribution. If we ever want to get to 5-nines reliability, we can't keep adding centralized servers whose failure brings down the whole phone system, radio and TV. -- Henning Schulzrinne http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~hgs From rem-conf Wed Mar 15 16:52:30 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 15 16:52:29 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VOSa-0006xc-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:48:20 -0800 Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VOSY-0006xS-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:48:19 -0800 Received: from tis2.tis.toshiba.co.jp (tis2 [133.199.160.66]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (3.7W:TOSHIBA-ISC-2000030918) with ESMTP id JAA05003 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:48:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from mx2.toshiba.co.jp by tis2.tis.toshiba.co.jp (8.8.4+2.7Wbeta4/3.3W9-95082317) id JAA20388; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:48:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from mailhost.eel.rdc.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp (8.7.1+2.6Wbeta4/3.3W9-TOSHIBA-GLOBAL SERVER) id JAA07090; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:48:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kaiji.eel.rdc.toshiba.co.jp (srg-204 [133.196.81.204]) by mailhost.eel.rdc.toshiba.co.jp (8.9.3/1.10) with SMTP id JAA08747; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:48:16 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <015a01bf8ee0$f5833b20$cc51c485@kaiji.eel.rdc.toshiba.co.jp> From: "Yoshihiro Kikuchi" To: Cc: "Yoshihiro Kikuchi" Subject: RE: Result of MPEG-4 Visual RTP Interoperability Test Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:45:42 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0157_01BF8F2C.652F60C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0157_01BF8F2C.652F60C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear IETF AVT experts, I'm attaching the contribution document to the MPEG meeting regarding the MPEG-4 Visual RTP interoperability test for those who don't have access to the MPEG ftp site. Best regards, Yoshihiro -----Original Message----- From: Yoshihiro Kikuchi To: 4on2andIP-sys <4on2andIP-sys@advent.ee.columbia.edu>; rem-conf@es.net Cc: Yoshihiro Kikuchi ; Yoshinori MATSUI ; Toshiyuki Nomura ; Toshiro Kawahara ; Shigeru Fukunaga ; Hidenobu Harasaki ; Hideaki Kimata ; Yoshihiro Miyamoto Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 10:43 AM Subject: Result of MPEG-4 Visual RTP Interoperability Test >Dear MPEG&IETF RTP experts, > >I have upload the following contribution to the MPEG Noordwijkerhout >meeting to the MPEG ftp site. > >[m5799] >Title: Preliminary Result of MPEG-4 Visual RTP Interoperability Test >Source: Toshiba, Matsushita, NEC, Oki > >In this contribution, we describe the result of the interoperability >test for the MPEG-4 Audio/Visual RTP payload format. >(draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mpeg4-es-00) The test was conducted by four >companies (Matsushita, NEC, Oki and Toshiba) using MPEG-4 Visual Simple >Profile as well as Core Profile (arbitrary shaped object). 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ESMTP id TAA21863; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:34:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from mx2.toshiba.co.jp by tis2.tis.toshiba.co.jp (8.8.4+2.7Wbeta4/3.3W9-95082317) id TAA17228; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:34:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from mailhost.eel.rdc.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp (8.7.1+2.6Wbeta4/3.3W9-TOSHIBA-GLOBAL SERVER) id TAA00461; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:34:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kaiji.eel.rdc.toshiba.co.jp (srg-204 [133.196.81.204]) by mailhost.eel.rdc.toshiba.co.jp (8.9.3/1.10) with SMTP id TAA48749; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:34:49 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <048901bf8f32$e4492980$cc51c485@kaiji.eel.rdc.toshiba.co.jp> From: "Yoshihiro Kikuchi" To: "Paul Christ" , Cc: "Angela Giannitrapani" , "Bilal EL ALI" , "Christine Marie-Claude Guillemot" , "Stefan Wesner" , "4on2andIP-sys" <4on2andIP-sys@advent.ee.columbia.edu> Subject: RE: 2 Adelaide drafts ahead Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:32:12 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dear Paul and all, >preparing the AVT group meeting in Adelaide and >pursuing now our MPEG-4/RTP activities within >the framework of the European IST project SoNG >we would like to draw your attention to > >1- the fact that our draft > >"RTP Payload Format for MPEG-4 with >Scaleable & Flexible Error Resiliency", >(so-called 'GP' in short) > >is under revision. Listening somewhat to the >"complexity argument against us", we simplified a bit >the existing draft (we dropped the fragmentation >capability). > >2- the fact that a new draft > >- "RTP payload format for MPEG-4 Visual Advanced Profiles" >is also being produced as a specialization exercise of >our 'GP' towards visual and also as a "critique" of >"draft-jnb-mpeg4av-rtp-00.txt ". Covering mostly the >so-called simple visual profile and omitting a series of >other important video profiles, we have to disagree >with its arguments for a simple payload in general. > I read your Internet Drafts, but I cannot understand issues you are trying to raise. --- draft-gc-avt-mpeg4visual-00.txt --- The decoding of arbitrary shape VOP requires the dimensions of its bounding rectangle, its horizontal and vertical spatial position, as well as the shape coding type. This information is respectively provided by the parameters "vop_width", "vop_height", "vop_horizontal_mc_spatial_ref" and "vop_vertical_mc_spatial_ref", "vop_shape_coding_type" in the VOP header. The parameter "change_conv_ratio_disable" is also needed to be able to decode properly the video packet. The "vop_constant_alpha parameter" as well as the "vop_constant_alpha_value" (if vop_constant_alpha==1), scaling factor applied to the decoded VOP before display need also protection. The issue on the protection of the VOP header fields for the arbitrary shaped objects was discussed one year ago(!) at the MPEG Seoul meeting. The conclusion was to correct the HEC syntax to support the VOP header for the arbitrary shape, and the corrected syntax has been adopted in the Corrigendum of MPEG-4 Visual(14496-2/DCOR1). All necessary information in the VOP header for the decoding of the arbitrary shaped objects are supported by the HEC. Depending on the different visual profiles, different sets of parameters will be present in the header of the VideoObjectPlane(). In the simple profiles, essential VOP header parameters are: vop_coding_type, modulo_time_base, marker_bit, vop_time_increment, fcodes when the VOP_coding_type is P or B, VOP_reduced_resolution if reduced_resolution_vop_enable is equal to 1. You are correct in the meaning that all these information are supported by HEC. But VOP_reduced_resolution is NOT for the Simple Profile but for the ARTS profile. Let us now consider the simple scalable profile supporting temporal and spatial scalability. Scalable or layered coding is very interesting for rate or congestion control on the Internet, especially in multicast. A key parameter in order to be able to decode a VOP in an enhancement layer is "ref_select_code" which signals the VOP that has been taken as a reference for the prediction. When scalability is applied on arbitrary shape objects, extra parameters need to be protected. For the shape decoding these parameters are "load_backward_shape", "backward_shape_width", "backward_shape_height", "backward_shape_horizontal_mc_spatial_ref", "backward_shape_vertical_mc_spatial_ref", "load_forward_shape", "forward_shape_width", "forward_shape_height", "forward_shape_horizontal_mc_spatial_ref", "forward_shape_vertical_mc_spatial_ref". Another important parameter is "background_composition" which signals the usage of background composition in conjunction with scalability. As you can see in Table G-2 in Annex G, any error resilience tools(including video packet) are NOT supported for the enhancement layer of the scalability. This is because the information above are not supported in the HEC. Even if the VOP header information above are protected by the RTP or whatever, how you can used it for the error resilient decoding without video packet? It is impossible to decode a middle part of a VOP without video packet if the beginning part of the VOP is lost. The solution recommended in draft-jnb-mpeg4av-rtp-01.txt, when using the combined mode, consists in transporting this configuration information in separate RTP packets, and in possibly repeating the corresponding RTP packets periodically if needed for protection purposes. However, this vital information being restricted to a few bytes, to transport it in separate RTP packets leads to unnecessary overhead. The configuration information is NOT restricted to a few bytes. It is about 30 to 40 bytes for the typical case of the Simple Profile. When the quantization matrix is transported by setting load_intra_quant_mat and load_nonintra_quant_mat to 1 in Core, Main and other profiles, this length will go up to about 200 bytes. More efficient transport can be reached by grouping this data with elementary stream data inside packets. The same remark applies to the Group_of_VideoObjectPlane() entry point and to its corresponding header or configuration information. It is possible to group the configuration information, GOV and the subsequent VOP into one RTP packet by the fragmentation rule of the MPEG-4 Visual RTP payload format. (See section 3.2 of draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mpeg4-es-00.txt) This fragmentation rule is flexible, and you can select either grouping or no grouping of the configuration information or GOV adequately, depends on the bitrate, packet-loss rate, etc. Depending on the visual profiles, different sets of key parameters will be present in the header of the VideoObjectPlane(), as described above. Key parameters for the simple scalable, main and core profiles are not covered by the error resilience tools defined in MPEG-4. I fully disagree with this as I wrote above. Five profiles have been defined for natural video content [3]: Not only five profiles of MPEG-4 Visual Version 1 you raised, HEC supports all Video coding tools having video packet for natural video profiles in both Version 1 and Version 2. As you can see in the video packet header syntax of Version 2 FDAM(14496-2/FDAM1), NEWPRED(ARTS Profile), DRC(ARTS Profile), GMC(ACE Profile) are also supported by the HEC. I should disagree with the last sentence of bellow in draft-ietf-avt-mpeg4streams-00.txt: A set of error resilience tools has been defined in the MPEG-4 vis- ual syntax in order to recover corrupted headers [5]. In particular, the VideoObjectPlane data is structured in video packets, the entry point being defined by the function video_packet_header(), and delimited by resync_markers. Basic configuration parameters can be inserted in the packet header. However, this concerns only parameters used in the simple visual profile, many parameters essential in the simple scalable, main and core profiles are not covered by this mechanism [5]. 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Please, type "REMOVE"in the subject line: matto29@excite.com From rem-conf Thu Mar 16 03:21:09 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 16 03:21:08 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VYKO-0007HD-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 03:20:32 -0800 Received: from pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de [134.155.48.96] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VYKN-0007Gw-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 03:20:31 -0800 Received: from pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de (mauve@pi4 [134.155.48.96]) by pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16895; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:20:29 +0100 (MET) Sender: mauve@pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de Message-ID: <38D0C37D.BB25B8E5@pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:20:29 +0100 From: Martin Mauve Organization: University of Mannheim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net CC: Henning Schulzrinne Subject: Re: Unique SSRC IDs? References: <7DAA70BEB463D211AC3E00A0C96B7AB20344B63D@orsmsx41.jf.intel.com> <38CFE81A.E8AB209E@cs.columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Hi, thanks a lot for your comments, they are very helpful. I would like to apologize for not being very clear in my initial posting. It is not that I wanted to suggest to develop "unique number distribution" specifically for RTP. I completely agree with you that from an RTP only perspective this would be a less useful contribution than test methods for SSRC ID collisions. After all RTP does work without unique SSRC IDs. However, getting unique IDs for distributed applications is a general problem that needs a solution. For example, in reliable multicast a collision of sender identifiers would likely be not acceptable. In a distributed virtual environment the objects typically require unique IDs; here, too, collisions are not acceptable. It therefore seems that the problem of unique ID distribution has to be solved anyway (addressing the concerns you mentioned). I was merely curious if, given the existence of an appropriate solution to the distribution of unique IDs, it would be of use for RTP. It seems that, at least for RTP, it would cause more problems than it would solve, mainly because RTP can deal with non unique IDs (even if this causes some complexity in the protocol). Nevertheless I'm quite convinced that a unique number service is an important thing. Even though I find the problems you describe very challenging and I'm not certain if all of them can be solved adequately, it seems certainly worth trying. I'll probably be back in a while to haunt you again :). Thanks for the constructive and flameless critique, Martin -- problems exist to be solved -- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Mauve University of Mannheim Praktische Informatik IV Phone: +49-621-181-2616 L 15,16 Fax : +49-621-181-2601 68131 Mannheim mauve@pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de Germany --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf Thu Mar 16 07:57:26 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 16 07:57:25 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VcSH-0002sc-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:44:57 -0800 Received: from reddot.dynamicsoft.com [216.89.83.6] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VcSB-0002sO-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:44:51 -0800 Received: from dynamicsoft.com ([216.89.83.2]) by reddot.dynamicsoft.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id KAA13723; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:44:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38D102E7.3D12A9A0@dynamicsoft.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:51:03 -0500 From: Jonathan Rosenberg Organization: dynamicsoft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Mauve CC: rem-conf@es.net, Henning Schulzrinne Subject: Re: Unique SSRC IDs? References: <7DAA70BEB463D211AC3E00A0C96B7AB20344B63D@orsmsx41.jf.intel.com> <38CFE81A.E8AB209E@cs.columbia.edu> <38D0C37D.BB25B8E5@pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Martin Mauve wrote: > > It therefore seems that the problem of unique ID distribution has to > be solved anyway (addressing the concerns you mentioned). I'm not so sure. Its possible (and is often done), to generate unique IDs without a central server to guarantee that uniqueness. The problem is that these IDs are long. Its not an issue for many protocols that use them, but RTP is different since its packets are so short. Having a 20 byte UUID in the header for a G.723.1 voice packet is simply too much overhead. Thats why RTP uses this SSRC, which is short, and then binds it to a unique ID (note that this ID is chosen locally and is still unique), the CNAME, sent in an RTCP packet. So, a global unique ID distribution service is only needed for protocols where the cost of transferring a 20 or so byte identifier is too high. I somehow doubt this is a very large set of protocols. -Jonathan R. -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg 200 Executive Drive Chief Scientist Suite 120 dynamicsoft West Orange, NJ 07052 jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (732) 741-4778 http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~jdrosen PHONE: (732) 741-7244 http://www.dynamicsoft.com From rem-conf Thu Mar 16 09:00:48 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 16 09:00:47 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Vda1-0004Ht-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:57:01 -0800 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.5.31] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Vda0-0004Hj-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:57:00 -0800 Received: from eucharisto.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:55:58 +0000 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: DRAFT AVT agenda for Adelaide cc: casner@cisco.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:55:57 +0000 Message-ID: <2262.953225757@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Colin Perkins X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Folks, Attached is a first draft of the AVT working group agenda for the Adelaide meeting - thanks to Steve for collecting agenda items. Please send comments and corrections to me as soon as possible, so I can incorporate them before the deadline. Colin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Audio/Video Transport Working Group Agenda Wednesday 29th March 2000, 15:30-17:30 ====================================== - Introduction and status update (Casner/Perkins) 15 draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-07.txt draft-ietf-avt-profile-new-08.txt draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mime-02.txt draft-ietf-avt-rtcp-bw-01.txt draft-ietf-avt-rtp-interop-02.txt draft-ietf-avt-profile-interop-00.txt draft-ietf-avt-rtptest-02.txt - RTP Payload for Comfort Noise (Casner for Zopf) 10 draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt - RTCP-based retransmission (Yano) 20 draft-podolsky-avt-rtprx-01.txt - RTP Payload Type Format to Enable Selective Retransmissions (Burmeister) 20 draft-miyazaki-avt-rtp-selret-00.txt,.ps - CRTP Enhancements (Koren) draft-koren-avt-crtp-enhance-01.txt - Multiplexing multiple RTP streams with tunneled CRTP (Thompson/Koren) 10 draft-ietf-avt-tcrtp-00.txt - MPLS extensions to CRTP (Berger) 15 draft-berger-mpls-hdr-comp-00.txt draft-berger-mpls-hdr-comp-over-ppp-00.txt Thursday 30th March 2000, 13:00-15:00 ===================================== - G.722.1 payload format (Casner for Crossman) 5 draft-crossman-avt-rtp-g7221-00.txt - AMR payload format 20 draft-lakaniemi-avt-mime-amr-00.txt (Sj鯾erg) draft-lakaniemi-avt-rtp-amr-00.tx draft-sjoberg-avt-rtp-amr-00.txt draft-wimmer-amr-00.txt (Wimmer) - DV audio and video (Kobayashi) 15 draft-ietf-avt-dv-video-00.txt draft-kobayashi-dv-audio12-00.txt - RTP Payload Format for AC-3 Audio (Mankin) 10 draft-gharai-ac3-00.txt - RTP Payload Format for Uncompressed HDTV Video Streams (Mankin) 10 draft-gharai-hdtv-video-00.txt - Extension of RTP payload type for MPEG Transport Stream (Casner for Liu) 10 draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp2t-02.txt - Alternative MP3 payload format (Finlayson) 10 draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp3-00.txt - Payload formats for MPEG-4 30 draft-ietf-avt-mpeg4streams-00.txt (Guillemot) draft-gc-avt-mpeg4visual-00.txt (Guillemot) draft-rgcc-avt-mpeg4flexmux-00.txt (?) draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mpeg4-es-00.txt (Kikuchi) - Charter bashing 5 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rem-conf Thu Mar 16 09:02:09 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 16 09:02:09 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VddT-0004LV-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:00:35 -0800 Received: from odin.ietf.org (ietf.org) [132.151.1.176] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VddS-0004LJ-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:00:34 -0800 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA19129; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:00:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003161700.MAA19129@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: rem-conf@es.net From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-tcrtp-00.txt Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:00:29 -0500 Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. Title : Tunneling multiplexed Compressed RTP ('TCRTP') Author(s) : B. Thompson, T. Koren, D. Wing Filename : draft-ietf-avt-tcrtp-00.txt Pages : Date : 15-Mar-00 This document describes a method to improve the end-to-end bandwidth utilization of RTP streams over an IP network using compression and multiplexing. Several application level compression/multiplexing solutions have been evaluated so far in the IETF AVT Working Group. This proposal differs from other solutions in that neither compression nor multiplexing needs to be done at application level. Because of this, existing RTP based applications do not need to change to support this encapsulation format. Instead of proposing a new encapsulation format for end to end multiplexing, this document describes the application of existing protocols for compression, multiplexing, and end to end tunneling. 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References: <7DAA70BEB463D211AC3E00A0C96B7AB20344B63D@orsmsx41.jf.intel.com> <38CFE81A.E8AB209E@cs.columbia.edu> <38D0C37D.BB25B8E5@pi4.informatik.uni-mannheim.de> <38D102E7.3D12A9A0@dynamicsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Another alternative would be a SSRC-swapping, just in the same way as label-swapping (MPLS). But certainly you need to maintain a mapping table locally and do signalling before sending. -- Keith. From rem-conf Thu Mar 16 09:25:25 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 16 09:25:25 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Ve0T-0006fV-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:24:21 -0800 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.5.31] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Ve0R-0006f9-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:24:20 -0800 Received: from grazie.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:22:50 +0000 To: "Hungkei (Keith) Chow" cc: Martin Mauve , rem-conf@es.net, Henning Schulzrinne Subject: Re: Unique SSRC IDs? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:08:51 EST." <38D11523.8BA6E83B@research.bell-labs.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:22:49 +0000 Message-ID: <1708.953227369@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Jon Crowcroft X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list In message <38D11523.8BA6E83B@research.bell-labs.com>, "Hungkei (Keith) Chow" t yped: >>Another alternative would be a SSRC-swapping, just in the same way as >>label-swapping (MPLS). >>But certainly you need to maintain a mapping table locally and do signalling >>before sending. Keith, but the state for this is centralised - i.e. if the ssrc-swapper crashes, you are back to the same prob. as a single unique id server....or you have to replicate and syncronise such servers .....and that starts to sound like yet another IN hack in the internet:-) i think there's two most promising attacks 1/ jonathans 2/ a general unique id service, which could be useful for lots of things including this, but is a longer term proposition...(well worth pursuing imho, but not obviously as an ietf wg item yet...) cheers jon From rem-conf Thu Mar 16 10:17:58 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 16 10:17:58 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Veo5-0000TW-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:15:37 -0800 Received: from gumby.cs.berkeley.edu [128.32.32.38] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Veo4-0000TM-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:15:36 -0800 Received: from sockeye (sockeye.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.36.74]) by gumby.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA09701; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:05:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000316100000.00ac1210@plateau.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: florissa@plateau.cs.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:00:00 -0800 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: Florissa Colina Subject: 3/22 Gaze-corrected Videoconferencing -- Jim Gemmell, Microsoft Bay Area Research Center Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Berkeley Multimedia, Graphics and Interfaces Seminar Gaze-corrected Videoconferencing Wednesday March 22, 2000 1:10 - 2:30 PST Fujitsu Seminar Room (405 Soda Hall) Jim Gemmell Microsoft Bay Area Research Center Many desktop videoconferencing systems are ineffective due to deficiencies in gaze awareness and sense of spatial relationship. Previous work to correct this has employed special hardware. At Microsoft's Bay Area Research Center, we have been working on a software-only approach. Heads and eyes in the video are tracked using computer-vision techniques, and the tracking information is transmitted along with the video stream. Receivers take the tracking information corresponding to the video to place the head and eyes in a virtual 3D space such that gaze awareness and a sense of space is provided. --------------- The seminar is broadcast live on the Internet Mbone and as a Real Networks G2 broadcast. You can connect to the live RealNetworks broadcast at: http://media2.bmrc.berkeley.edu/bibs/schedule.cfm You'll see a link to cs298-5/real networks/live programs. You can also directly put in this url into the Real Player: rtsp://media2.bmrc.berkeley.edu/encoder/cs298-5.rm To do so you will need to have the "Real Player G2" installed, which is available from: http://www.real.com/products/player/downloadrealplayer.html To tune into the Internet MBone broadcast, look for the announcement in your MBone session directory program ('sdr'). If you are not receiving the announcement you may be able to receive the session by manually configuring the client programs ('vic', and 'vat') with the session addresses: low bit rate video: 233.0.25.1/22334 audio: 233.0.25.2/22446 medium bit rate video: 233.0.25.129/22334 audio: 233.0.25.2/22446 You can get further information about this seminar, and access to replays of previous seminars at the MIG Seminar web page: http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/298/index.html Sponsored by the Berkeley Multimedia Research Center From rem-conf Thu Mar 16 11:04:06 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 16 11:04:05 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VfWY-0001q4-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:01:34 -0800 Received: from artemis.rus.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.1.28] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VfWX-0001pu-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:01:33 -0800 Received: from ksat10 (ksat10.rus.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.30.170]) by artemis.rus.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP id UAA18729; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:01:21 +0100 (MET) env-from (christ@rus.uni-stuttgart.de) From: "Paul Christ" To: "Yoshihiro Kikuchi" Cc: "4on2andIP-sys" <4on2andIP-sys@advent.ee.columbia.edu>, Subject: RE:RE: 2 Adelaide drafts ahead Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:13:35 +0100 Message-ID: <007301bf8f7b$b9f4c9c0$aa1e4581@ksat10.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by artemis.rus.uni-stuttgart.de id UAA18729 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dear Yoshihiro, dear all, --- draft-gc-avt-mpeg4visual-00.txt --- >> The decoding of >> arbitrary shape VOP requires the dimensions of its bounding >> rectangle, its horizontal and vertical spatial position, as well as >> the shape coding type. This information is respectively provided >> by the parameters "vop_width", "vop_height", >> "vop_horizontal_mc_spatial_ref" and "vop_vertical_mc_spatial_ref", >> "vop_shape_coding_type" in the VOP header. The parameter >> "change_conv_ratio_disable" is also needed to be able to decode >> properly the video packet. The "vop_constant_alpha parameter" as >> well as the "vop_constant_alpha_value" (if vop_constant_alpha=3D=3D1= ), >> scaling factor applied to the decoded VOP before display need also >> protection. > The issue on the protection of the VOP header fields for the arbitrary > shaped objects was discussed one year ago(!) at the MPEG Seoul meeting. We have checked the output documents of the MPEG Seoul meeting (March 99), and could not find any document addressing the above issues. We have been raising these points since november 98 (IETF in Orlando), we have raised them on the 4onIP list, many times during the year 1999, but these points have never been acknowledged. Yoshihiro, you were yourself, on the 6th of March 99, writing on the 4onIP list the following mail arguing in the same direction, and recognizing the limitations of the HEC mechanism for profiles other than the simple profile: -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------ Objet: MPEG-4 video over RTP la date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:38:24 +0900 De: Yoshihiro Kikuchi A: 4onIP-sys <4onIP-sys@fzi.de> Copies =E0: kiku Dear MPEG-4 on IP experts, I would like to raise an issue which, I think, is not discussed so well so far. We are thinking of a transmission of the MPEG-4 VIDEO media using RTP through the Internet that is not so reliable in some cases (packet loss, delay, ...). But is the RTP specification for MPEG-4 currently under discussion enough for the error resilient transmission of MPEG-4 video? 1. Alignment of video bitstream and RTP packet In MPEG-4 video, the video packet has a role to localize the error. However, the underling layer (Systems/RTP/IP) should have the mechanism to split a video bitstream so that one video packet is aligned with one RTP packet. Is it possible in the Systems specification to do such a fragmentation? In the Systems FDIS, the Access Unit is defined as follows: (I hope I'm reading the latest version of the FDIS) Access Units (AU) Elementary stream data is partitioned into access units. The delineation of an access unit is completely determined by the entity that generates the elementary stream (e.g., the compression layer). An access unit is the smallest data entity to which timing information can be attributed Two access units from the same elementary stream shall never refer to the same instant in time. Any further partitioning of the data in an elementary stream is not visible for the purposes of the Systems Decoder Model. Access units are conveyed by SL-packetized streams and are received by the decoding buffers. The decoders consume access units with the necessary side information (e.g., time stamps) from the decoding buffers. In the case of Video, "the smallest data entity to which timing information can be attributed" is a VOP. Am I correct? If so, is there any way to split an Access Unit to a smaller unit than VOP so that one video packet is mapped onto one RTP packet? 2. Duplication of video header information In MPEG-4 video, there is a tool, HEC(Header Extension Code), to duplicate the VOP header information into the video packet header. This should work well for the 4-on-RTP case as well if the alignment of the video packet to the RTP packet, as in 1, is provided. There is no problem in the case of the Simple visual profile with only a rectangular VOP or so. However, at least in the current specification of MPEG-4 Visual, the HEC does not provide duplication of all VOP header information for all video coding mode. For example, in the case of arbitrary shape coding mode, the following information are contained in the VOP header but not in the HEC information: vop_width vop_height vop_horizontal_mc_spatial_ref vop_vertical_mc_spatial_ref change_conv_ratio_disable vop_shape_coding_type Therefore, when a VOP header with these informations is corrupted, video packets in the VOP cannot be decoded. Is there any mechanism provided for the duplication of the video header? (in RTP? System?) In RFC2250, the MPEG-1/2 video specific RTP header is defined. MPEG-1/2 video picture header can be protected by this extended RTP header. Is there any room to define this kind of specific header by extending MPEG-4 and/or RTP? Or, are there any other ways for the duplication? Because I am basically a VIDEO person, I may have some misunderstanding on the Systems and the 4-on-IP specifications. It is a great help for me if experts of this area give me advice. Best regards, Yoshihiro -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------ > The conclusion was to correct the HEC syntax to support > the VOP header > for the arbitrary shape, and the corrected syntax has > been adopted in the > Corrigendum of MPEG-4 Visual(14496-2/DCOR1). > All necessary information > in the VOP header for the decoding of the arbitrary > shaped objects are > supported by the HEC. We have looked for the 14496-2/DCOR1 corrigendum and finally found this document as an output document of the MELBOURNE meeting in OCTOBER 1999 (and not as an output from the Seoul meeting in march 99).. This corrigendum has apparently been prepared at the same time as the draft-jnb-mpeg4av-rtp-00.txt, and been discussed in October 1999 in the MPEG4 video group. There were two ways for correcting these limitations, either by modifying the visual syntax, either by proposing to add protection in the encapsulation process. You apparently proposed the first solution, while we were and are still defending the second approach. The second proposal being more flexible in the case of pre-encoded streams for streaming applications. Given all the discussions that had taken place between the MPEG-4 and the IETF on these questions between november 98 and october 99, we would have expected to post this corrigendum on the 4onIp reflector. At least, this would have allowed to discuss the pro's and con's on the two possible ways to solve the problem, and to find in a consensual way the best solution. > As you can see in Table G-2 in Annex G, any error resilience > tools(including video packet) are NOT supported for the enhancement > layer of the scalability. This is because the information above are not > supported in the HEC. > Even if the VOP header information above are protected by the RTP or > whatever, how you can used it for the error resilient decoding without > video packet? It is impossible to decode a middle part of a VOP without > video packet if the beginning part of the VOP is lost. The lack of notion of video packet and the lack of protection of the essential parameters for the enhancement layers in the context of scalable coding is a problem. This means not being able to use the scalable features in a context of packet losses (since the enhancement layer is unlikely to be decodable, in case of losses), although one of the interests of scalability is its amenability for congestion control on IP. It is especially essential for congestion and rate control when you have pre-encoded streams (streaming applications) or in multicast scenarios. So, with respect to this last point, it comes again to several possible solutions: One additional corrigendum to the video syntax, for the enhancement layers, or/and relying on an additional mechanism in the encapsulation process, which we again support. > The configuration information is NOT restricted to a few bytes. It is > about 30 to 40 bytes for the typical case of the Simple Profile. 30 to 40 bytes are a few bytes, compared to likely MTU sizes. Experiments made by people from Berkeley on congestion control assume MTU sizes of 1500 bytes. Yours Paul From rem-conf Thu Mar 16 13:12:09 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 16 13:12:07 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VhV3-00047S-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:08:09 -0800 Received: from odin.ietf.org (ietf.org) [132.151.1.176] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VhV2-00047F-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:08:08 -0800 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA18696; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:08:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003162108.QAA18696@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: rem-conf@es.net From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-tcrtp-00.txt Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:08:02 -0500 Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. Title : Tunneling multiplexed Compressed RTP ('TCRTP') Author(s) : B. Thompson, T. Koren, D. Wing Filename : draft-ietf-avt-tcrtp-00.txt Pages : Date : 15-Mar-00 This document describes a method to improve the end-to-end bandwidth utilization of RTP streams over an IP network using compression and multiplexing. Several application level compression/multiplexing solutions have been evaluated so far in the IETF AVT Working Group. This proposal differs from other solutions in that neither compression nor multiplexing needs to be done at application level. Because of this, existing RTP based applications do not need to change to support this encapsulation format. Instead of proposing a new encapsulation format for end to end multiplexing, this document describes the application of existing protocols for compression, multiplexing, and end to end tunneling. 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From rem-conf Thu Mar 16 19:37:11 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 16 19:37:10 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VnWA-0001w8-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:33:42 -0800 Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VnW8-0001vy-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:33:40 -0800 Received: from tis2.tis.toshiba.co.jp (tis2 [133.199.160.66]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (3.7W:TOSHIBA-ISC-2000030918) with ESMTP id MAA02438; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:32:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from mx2.toshiba.co.jp by tis2.tis.toshiba.co.jp (8.8.4+2.7Wbeta4/3.3W9-95082317) id MAA11842; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:32:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from mailhost.eel.rdc.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp (8.7.1+2.6Wbeta4/3.3W9-TOSHIBA-GLOBAL SERVER) id MAA03809; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:32:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kaiji.eel.rdc.toshiba.co.jp (srg-204 [133.196.81.204]) by mailhost.eel.rdc.toshiba.co.jp (8.9.3/1.10) with SMTP id MAA78227; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:32:37 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <014501bf8fc1$128db480$cc51c485@kaiji.eel.rdc.toshiba.co.jp> From: "Yoshihiro Kikuchi" To: "Paul Christ" Cc: "4on2andIP-sys" <4on2andIP-sys@advent.ee.columbia.edu>, , "Yoshihiro Kikuchi" Subject: RE: RE:RE: 2 Adelaide drafts ahead Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:29:55 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dear Paul and all, >>> The decoding of >>> arbitrary shape VOP requires the dimensions of its bounding >>> rectangle, its horizontal and vertical spatial position, as well as > >>> the shape coding type. This information is respectively provided >>> by the parameters "vop_width", "vop_height", >>> "vop_horizontal_mc_spatial_ref" and "vop_vertical_mc_spatial_ref", >>> "vop_shape_coding_type" in the VOP header. The parameter >>> "change_conv_ratio_disable" is also needed to be able to decode >>> properly the video packet. The "vop_constant_alpha parameter" as >>> well as the "vop_constant_alpha_value" (if vop_constant_alpha==1), >>> scaling factor applied to the decoded VOP before display need also >>> protection. > >> The issue on the protection of the VOP header fields for the arbitrary > >> shaped objects was discussed one year ago(!) at the MPEG Seoul >meeting. > >We have checked the output documents of the MPEG Seoul meeting (March >99), and >could not find any document addressing the above issues. > Which document did you check? You can find the revised HEC syntax for the arbitrary shape at item 1 in the WD1 of the corrigendum(N2693). This syntax has been adopted in the ISO/IEC 14496-2/DCOR1(N2919). You can find the syntax in item 12 of the DCOR1. >We have been raising these points since november 98 (IETF in Orlando), >we have raised them on the 4onIP list, many times during the year 1999, >but these points have never been acknowledged. > >Yoshihiro, you were yourself, on the 6th of March 99, >writing on the 4onIP list the following mail >arguing in the same direction, and recognizing the >limitations of the HEC mechanism for profiles other than the simple >profile: > (snip) Yes, I surely wrote this mail. If I remember correctly, there were suggestions by Katto-san and Carsten to revised the HEC syntax to support the shape coding. I posted a contribution to the MPEG Seoul meeting regarding this issue(m4480). The issue was discussed at the meeting, and the conclusion was to revise the HEC syntax as suggested and adopt it in the Corrigendum of MPEG-4 Visual so that this HEC functionality can be used for all MPEG-4 Visual compliant codecs and all kind of networks. So the problem I raised in my very old mail has been solved. This is what I wrote in my previous mail. >We have looked for the 14496-2/DCOR1 corrigendum and finally found this >document as an output document of the MELBOURNE meeting in OCTOBER >1999 (and not as an output from the Seoul meeting in march 99).. >This corrigendum has apparently been prepared at the same time as the >draft-jnb-mpeg4av-rtp-00.txt, and been discussed in October 1999 in the >MPEG4 video group. > No. The corrigendum of 14496-2 was initiated at the March 1999 MPEG meeting more than half year before Melbourne, and WD1 of the corrigendum including the revised HEC syntax was published in March as I wrote above. It has been integrated in the reference software (ISO/IEC 14496-5) before the MPEG July 1999 meeting. It is also before Melbourne. >There were two ways for correcting these limitations, >either by modifying the >visual syntax, either by proposing to add protection in the >encapsulation process. >You apparently proposed the first solution, while we were and are still >defending the second approach. The second proposal being >more flexible in the case of pre-encoded streams for >streaming applications. > >Given all the discussions that had taken place between >the MPEG-4 and the IETF >on these questions between november 98 and october 99, we would have >expected to post this corrigendum on the 4onIp reflector. If I was not so kind enough to post the WD of the corrigendum, I'm sorry for it. But I'm not sure if I, just as one member of MPEG, can post the official output document from MPEG to the open reflector. >At least, this would have allowed to discuss the pro's >and con's on the two possible ways to solve the problem, >and to find in a consensual way the >best solution. > I understand there were discussion on the reflector before March as I wrote above. And there is a conclusion. >The lack of notion of video packet and the lack of protection of the >essential parameters for the enhancement layers in the >context of scalable coding is a problem. >This means not being able to use the scalable features in >a context of packet losses (since the enhancement layer is >unlikely to be decodable, in case of losses), although one >of the interests of scalability is its amenability for >congestion control on IP. It is especially essential for >congestion and rate control when you have pre-encoded streams >(streaming applications) or in multicast scenarios. > My understanding on the packet loss resiliency of the scalable coding is that the scaleable coding itself has resiliency in the meaning that we can use base layer for decoding even when enhancement layer is corrupt. So, the base layer should be protected well. This is why MPEG-4 error resiliency tools(video packet and others) are supported in the base layer. But the resiliency required for the enhancement layer is relatively low. I remember that there were such discussions in MPEG before defining Table G-1. >So, with respect to this last point, it comes again to >several possible solutions: >One additional corrigendum to the video syntax, for the >enhancement layers, or/and relying on an additional mechanism >in the encapsulation process, which we again support. > I have to ask other MPEG-4 video experts, but is this corrigendum really possible? It requires not only syntax changes, but also changes on the video decoding process. All video coding operation using prediction from the surrounding macroblocks, such as motion vector prediction and AC/DC prediction, will be affected by this. >> The configuration information is NOT restricted to a few bytes. It is >> about 30 to 40 bytes for the typical case of the Simple Profile. > >30 to 40 bytes are a few bytes, compared to likely MTU sizes. >Experiments made by people from Berkeley on congestion control >assume MTU sizes of 1500 bytes. > Then, you can put the configuration information with a subsequent VOP (or video packet(s) in the VOP) into a single RTP packet. The fragmentation rules in section 3.2 of draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mpeg4-es-00 are designed to be able to do so. I hope you read carefully the specifications in the I/D. 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From rem-conf Fri Mar 17 05:12:34 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Mar 17 05:12:31 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VwQy-0000Tu-00; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:04:56 -0800 Received: from odin.ietf.org (ietf.org) [132.151.1.176] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12VwQw-0000Ti-00; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:04:54 -0800 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA16230; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:04:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003171304.IAA16230@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: rem-conf@es.net From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp3-01.txt Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:04:52 -0500 Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. Title : A More Loss-Tolerant RTP Payload Format for MP3 Audio Author(s) : R. Finlayson Filename : draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp3-01.txt Pages : Date : 16-Mar-00 While the RTP payload format defined in RFC 2250 is generally applicable to all forms of MPEG audio or video, it is less suitable for MPEG 1 or 2,layer III audio (commonly known as 'MP3'). The reason for this is that an MP3 frame is not a true 'Application Data Unit' - it contains a back-pointer to data in earlier frames, and so cannot be decoded independently of these earlier frames. Because RFC 2250 defines that packet boundaries coincide with frame boundaries, it handles packet loss inefficiently when carrying MP3 data. The loss of an MP3 frame will render some data in previous (or future) frames useless, even if they are received without loss. In this document we define a new RTP payload format for MP3 audio. The new format is essentially the same as that defined in RFC 2250, except for a data-preserving rearrangement of the original MPEG frames, so that packet boundaries now coincide with true MP3 'Application Data Units', which can (optionally) be rearranged in an interleaving pattern. This new format is therefore more data efficient in the face of packet loss. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp3-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp3-01.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp3-01.txt". 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000316143715.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp3-01.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp3-01.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000316143715.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From rem-conf Fri Mar 17 08:54:15 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Mar 17 08:54:13 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Vzrn-00038j-00; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:44:51 -0800 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.5.31] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Vzrl-00038Z-00; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:44:49 -0800 Received: from eucharisto.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:44:18 +0000 To: agenda@ietf.org Subject: AVT agenda for Adelaide cc: rem-conf@es.net Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:44:17 +0000 Message-ID: <4831.953311457@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Colin Perkins X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Attached is the AVT agenda for the Adelaide IETF meeting. Colin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Audio/Video Transport Working Group Agenda Wednesday 29th March 2000, 15:30-17:30 ====================================== - Introduction and status update (Casner/Perkins) 15 draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-07.txt draft-ietf-avt-profile-new-08.txt draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mime-02.txt draft-ietf-avt-rtcp-bw-01.txt draft-ietf-avt-rtp-interop-02.txt draft-ietf-avt-profile-interop-00.txt draft-ietf-avt-rtptest-02.txt - RTP Payload for Comfort Noise (Casner for Zopf) 10 draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cn-00.txt - RTCP reporting extensions (Perkins for Friedman) 5 draft-friedman-avt-rtcp-report-extns-00.txt - RTCP-based retransmission (Yano) 20 draft-podolsky-avt-rtprx-01.txt - RTP Payload Type Format to Enable Selective Retransmissions (Burmeister) 20 draft-miyazaki-avt-rtp-selret-00.txt,.ps - CRTP Enhancements (Koren) 10 draft-koren-avt-crtp-enhance-01.txt - Multiplexing multiple RTP streams with tunneled CRTP (Thompson/Koren) 10 draft-ietf-avt-tcrtp-00.txt - MPLS extensions to CRTP (Berger) 15 draft-berger-mpls-hdr-comp-00.txt draft-berger-mpls-hdr-comp-over-ppp-00.txt - Authentication (Thomas) 5 Thursday 30th March 2000, 13:00-15:00 ===================================== - G.722.1 payload format (Casner for Crossman) 5 draft-crossman-avt-rtp-g7221-00.txt - AMR payload format 20 draft-lakaniemi-avt-mime-amr-00.txt (Sj鯾erg) draft-lakaniemi-avt-rtp-amr-00.tx draft-sjoberg-avt-rtp-amr-00.txt draft-wimmer-amr-00.txt (Wimmer) - DV audio and video (Kobayashi) 15 draft-ietf-avt-dv-video-00.txt draft-kobayashi-dv-audio12-00.txt - RTP Payload Format for AC-3 Audio (Mankin) 10 draft-gharai-ac3-00.txt - RTP Payload Format for Uncompressed HDTV Video Streams (Mankin) 10 draft-gharai-hdtv-video-00.txt - Extension of RTP payload type for MPEG Transport Stream (Casner for Liu) 10 draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp2t-02.txt - Alternative MP3 payload format (Finlayson) 10 draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mp3-00.txt - Payload formats for MPEG-4 30 draft-ietf-avt-mpeg4streams-00.txt (Guillemot) draft-gc-avt-mpeg4visual-00.txt (Guillemot) draft-rgcc-avt-mpeg4flexmux-00.txt () draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mpeg4-es-00.txt (Kikuchi) - Charter bashing 5 From rem-conf Fri Mar 17 14:22:19 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Fri Mar 17 14:22:18 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12W56O-0007cR-00; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:20:16 -0800 Received: from boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12W56N-0007by-00; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:20:15 -0800 Received: (from touch@localhost) by boreas.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) id OAA07263 for rem-conf@es.net; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:20:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:20:10 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Touch Message-Id: <200003172220.OAA07263@boreas.isi.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Announcing X-Bone VPN/overlay software release X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx x x x XX XX X-BONE Overlay System x x X X x x XX Software Release x x X X x x XX XX March 2000 x x x xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The X-Bone system for automated deployment of VPN / overlay networks is now publicly available. This is the first major public release, v1.2. X-Bone dynamically deploys and manages Internet overlays to reduce configuration effort and increase network component sharing. X-Bone discovers, configures, and monitors network resources to create overlays over existing IP networks. The X-Bone is implemented in Perl, and open source is provided. The X-Bone can be used for: - deploying VPNs - sharing lab or wide-area networks for multiple, concurrent projects for testing protocols and apps on new topologies X-Bone uses two-layer IP in IP tunneled overlays and supports existing applications and unmodified routing, multicast, and DNS services. X-Bone also support IPSec within overlays. Applications can use the X-Bone without modification or recompilation. The X-Bone is available for the following operating systems: - FreeBSD CAIRN 2.5, 3.*, 3.* + KAME IPsec patches - Linux RedHat 6.0, 6.0 + NIST Cerberus IPsec patches, 6.1 The FreeBSD port and Linux RPM have been submitted to the FreeBSD ports and RedHat Linux RPMs sites; further information and details and the port and RPM files are currently available at: http://www.isi.edu/xbone/ - Joe Touch Project Leader, X-Bone group, USC/ISI touch@isi.edu http://www.isi.edu/touch +1 (310) 448-9151 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Effort sponsored by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)and Air Force Research Laboratory, Air Force Materiel Command, USAF, under agreement number F30602-98-1-0200. Copyright (c) 1998-2000 by the University of Southern California. 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From rem-conf Mon Mar 20 08:20:15 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 20 08:20:15 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12X4o2-0005AW-00; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:13:26 -0800 Received: from artemis.rus.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.1.28] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12X4o1-0005AM-00; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:13:25 -0800 Received: from ksat10 (ksat10.rus.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.30.170]) by artemis.rus.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP id RAA15148; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:13:17 +0100 (MET) env-from (christ@rus.uni-stuttgart.de) From: "Paul Christ" To: Cc: "4on2andIP-sys" <4on2andIP-sys@advent.ee.columbia.edu>, Subject: RE: RE: RE:RE: 2 Adelaide drafts ahead Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:25:38 +0100 Message-ID: <000501bf9288$ed733060$aa1e4581@ksat10.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by artemis.rus.uni-stuttgart.de id RAA15148 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dear Yoshihiro, dear all, Pardon, for the delay in answering your last mail. Set aside the "who discovered what when", let's try to look at the essence of the points that were made and let's try again to anwer the questions you were asking in your previous mail about the issues we are trying to address, since you were writing > I read your Internet Drafts, > but I cannot understand issues you are > trying to raise. RUS and INRIA are currently involved in projects targeting applications mixing real-time with streamed content, in both IP unicast and multicast. These applications rely therefore, on one hand, on real-time encoders and on a server streaming the pre-encoded streams. These application design are guided by the following requirements: 1- It is desired, for the sake of architectural simplicity, to have a single interface between the real-time encoder and the transport mechanism on one hand and between the server pumps (audio-visual pumps) and the transport mechanism on the other hand. 2- "transport mechanism" is used here to encompass network adaptation. In particular, the target is to have this transport mechanism to support: * congestion control, i.e. estimate available bandwith, the corresponding rate values being passed and exploited in the real-time encoder and/or in the streaming mechanism (e.g. in this later case select different layers if we have layered streams). * FEC one simple example of FEC being the duplication of the vital header parameters. For example, at the beginning of the session, the network conditions are good, so there is no need to incorporate any redundant data in the stream. Suddenly the transmission conditions deteriorates, and we need to incorporate protection for the headers (for example). One could say "use the HEC mechanism for that, as far as the video is concerned....". This is feasible for our real-time encoder (at least for the simple profile, and now with the corrigendum also in the case we have arbitrary shape objects, we will come back to the scalable aspects later in the mail....), but what are the implications for our server?. If at the instant t0+ 10 seconds, we want to use the HEC mechanism for the streamed content, instead of a very simple pump, the server has to support a module that would parse the stream, i.e. analyse the syntax (starting from the vol header, inorder to know whether for example video_object_layer_shape !=3D =93rectangular=94, etc... in order to incorporate the corresponding protection bits (see piece of syntax copied below) ---- piece of syntax video_packet_header() { next_resync_marker() resync_marker if (video_object_layer_shape !=3D =93rectangular=94) { header_extension_code if (header_extension_code && !(sprite_enable && vop_coding_type =3D=3D =93I=94)) { vop_width marker_bit vop_height marker_bit vop_horizontal_mc_spatial_ref marker_bit vop_vertical_mc_spatial_ref marker_bit 1 } } macroblock_number if (video_object_layer_shape !=3D =93binary only=94) quant_scale if (video_object_layer_shape =3D=3D =93rectangular=94) header_extension_code if (header_extension_code) { do { modulo_time_base } while (modulo_time_base !=3D =910=92) marker_bit vop_time_increment marker_bit vop_coding_type 2 uimsbf if (video_object_layer_shape !=3D =93rectangular=94) { change_conv_ratio_disable if (vop_coding_type !=3D =93I=94) vop_shape_coding_type } if (video_object_layer_shape !=3D =93binary only=94) { intra_dc_vlc_thr if (vop_coding_type !=3D =93I=94) vop_fcode_forward if (vop_coding_type =3D=3D =93B=94) vop_fcode_backward } } } ----------- I guess, we would rather avoid to have to incorporate and develop parsers of the different types of streams in our server (if we assume, that a parser is almost half an encoder - and counting the numbers of encoders - this possibly is an argument concerning the succes of of MPEG-4) We prefer to have a unique and simple interface between the real-time encoder and the "network adaptation layer" on one hand and the server and the network adaptation layer on the other hand, thru which we would pass - a pointer to a buffer containing the segment of bits to be sent to the network (it could be for example for the visual streams, a VOL header, a GOV header, a VOP header, a video packet, etc...) - the length in bytes of the corresponding buffer (or segment contained in the buffer) - possibly the padding bits in the last byte of the segment (if needed) - the "degradation priority" or equivalently the type (VOL header, GOV header, VOP header, video packet, for the visual streams) of data contained in the buffer (a degradation priority could be set for the different types of data according to their importance). This information of "degradation priority" can then be exploited for * deciding to repeat possibly the information in the consecutive packet(s), * possibly marking in the sense of diffserv marking (you may, for example, look at Hou Y.Th. et al. "A differentiated services architecture for multimedia streaming in next geration internet", Computer Networks, Vol 32 Number 2, February 2000). Some recent I-Dwere talking about colour markers to mark segments of streams on the sender side (e.g. mark I frame with a high priority, P frames with a lower priority and B frames still with a lower priority) The abstraction of the core of the QoS monitoring intelligence of the application into the so-called "network adaptation layer" allows a joint 'supervision or control' of the qos of the different streams (real-time and/or pre-encoded) used in our application and which have to share the same resources (network, CPUs,...) So to come back to the 2 I-Ds, draft-gc-avt-mpeg4visual-00.txt is simply an application of draft-ietf-avt-mpeg4streams-00.txt to the special case of visual streams, in order to target applications with the requirements described above. >> The lack of notion of video packet and the >> lack of protection of the >> essential parameters for the enhancement >> layers in the context of scalable coding >> is a problem. >> This means not being able to use the scalable >> features in a context of packet losses >> (since the enhancement layer is >> unlikely to be decodable, in case of losses), >> although one of the interests of scalability >> is its amenability for congestion control on IP. >> It is especially essential for >> congestion and rate control when you have pre-encoded streams >> (streaming applications) or in multicast scenarios. > My understanding on the packet loss resiliency of the > scalable coding is that the scaleable coding itself > has resiliency in the meaning that we > can use base layer for decoding even when enhancement > layer is corrupt. > So, the base layer should be protected well. This is why MPEG-4 error > resiliency tools(video packet and others) are supported in the base > layer. But the resiliency required for the enhancement layer is > relatively low. > I remember that there were such discussions in MPEG before defining > Table G-1. >> So, with respect to this last point, it comes again to >> several possible solutions: >> One additional corrigendum to the video syntax, for the >> enhancement layers, or/and relying on an additional >> mechanism in the encapsulation process, >> which we again support. > I have to ask other MPEG-4 video experts, but is > this corrigendum really > possible? It requires not only syntax changes, > but also changes on the > video decoding process. All video coding operation > using prediction from > the surrounding macroblocks, > such as motion vector prediction and AC/DC > prediction, will be affected by this. It is not up to us to say if formally the corresponding corrigendum would still be possible in MPEG. However, without the notion of independently decodable segments (says video packet) in the enhancement layers, we fail to see how scalability in MPEG-4 (and this concerns the simple scalable, but also the core and the main visual profiles, since the two latter profiles support among other things scalable modes, right?) can be really used in loss-prone or error-prone environments, therefore also in t he H.323 context (see recommendation H.323 annex B). It seems that as soon as there will be a 'non-recoverable' loss, the enhancement layers will have to be thrown away. As far as our implementation is concerned, enhancement layers of the layered streams (we are working in collaboration with an industrial partner implementing the FGS WD for the streamed content) are passed via the same interface to the network adaptation layer and treated accordingly by the network adaptation layer with a lesser priority than the base layer, but in an 'harmonized' way with the other streams. > I hope you read carefully the specifications in the I/D. We certainly appreciate this concern, but if we may reassure you, yes we did :-). However, since we failed to understand how the I/D can be used to address the requirements that we target in our application (as described above, and which is not a fancy one, these requirements have been also, since the beginning, in the core of the MPEG-4 activities, and have motivated the powerful scene description framework, right?), we would certainly be grateful, if you can enlighten us on this. Best regards, Paul - Christine - Stefan -------------------------- Christine Guillemot - IRISA Paul Christ, Stefan Wesner - RUS From rem-conf Mon Mar 20 08:34:15 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 20 08:34:14 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12X54L-0005dR-00; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:30:17 -0800 Received: from pescado.nosc.mil [128.49.4.90] (nsmail) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12X54J-0005dH-00; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:30:16 -0800 Received: from [198.253.60.52] (hulkster.nosc.mil [198.253.60.52]) by pescado.nosc.mil (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FRQB5K00.VXJ for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:29:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: novotny@mailsd1.spawar.navy.mil (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:30:00 -0800 To: rem-conf@es.net From: "John W. Novotny" Subject: Multicasting Under Windows 2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list One of the problems I've had with Windows NT is that the kernel software did not have the support to do multicasting across local area networks using the mrouted daemon. I understand that Windows 2000 provides this kernel support. Is anyone porting mrouted to Windows 2000? John From rem-conf Mon Mar 20 11:12:51 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 20 11:12:49 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12X7UO-0000qn-00; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:05:20 -0800 Received: from cheetah.cs.ucla.edu [131.179.128.24] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12X7UM-0000qd-00; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:05:18 -0800 Received: from localhost (sjlee@localhost) by cheetah.cs.ucla.edu (8.9.1/UCLACS-5.0) with ESMTP id LAA02234; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:01:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:01:14 -0800 (PST) From: SJ Lee To: "S.J. (Sung-Ju) Lee" Subject: CFP - MobiHOC 2000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list [Please accept our apologies if you receive duplicate messages] ========================================================================= Announcement and Call for Papers THE FIRST ANNUAL WORKSHOP ON MOBILE AD HOC NETWORKING & COMPUTING in conjunction with Mobicom 2000 August 11, 2000 Boston, Massachusetts, USA http://www.ece.gatech.edu/~cktoh/workshop.html SCOPE ===== We are interested in work-in-progress, visionary papers, experimental and systems-related papers. Papers should describe original, previously unpublished, and not currently under review by another conference, workshop, or journal. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: - Ad Hoc Routing Protocols - Ad Hoc Multicasting Protocols - Ad Hoc Transport Issues - Service Discovery Protocols - Media Access Techniques - Low Power Algorithms and Protocols - Ad Hoc Mobile Applications - Sensor & Data Fusion Ad Hoc Networks - Quality of Service Issues - Ad Hoc Mobile Computing Platforms - Secure Ad Hoc Services Please consult the program chairs if you are uncertain whether your paper falls within the theme of this workshop. SUBMISSIONS =========== Postscript copies of your submissions should be sent to C.-K. Toh (cktoh@ece.gatech.edu) and Nitin Vaidya (vaidya@cs.tamu.edu). All papers will be reviewed for technical merit. Submissions should not exceed 20 double-spaced pages (including text and figures). IMPORTANT DATES =============== Paper submission due: April 10th, 2000 Notification of acceptance: May 15th, 2000 Camera ready version due: June 1st, 2000 SPONSORSHIP =========== ACM SIGMOBILE and IEEE Communications Society ORGANIZING COMMITTEE ==================== General Chair: Charles E. Perkins (Nokia Research Center) Technical Co-Chairs: C.-K. Toh (Georgia Institute of Technology) Nitin H. Vaidya (Texas A&M University) Advisory Committee: Leonard Kleinrock (UCLA/Nomadix) Victor O.K. Li (USC/Hong Kong University) Local Arrangement Chair: Katia Obraczka (USC/ISI) Publicity Chair: Sung-Ju Lee (University of California, Los Angeles) Registration Chair: Elizabeth M. Royer (University of California, Santa Barbara) Publication Co-Chairs: Stefano Basagni (University of Texas, Dallas) Violet R. Syrotiuk (University of Texas, Dallas) Treasurer: Bruce Worthman (IEEE) Steering Committee: Charles E. Perkins (Nokia Research Center) C.-K. Toh (Georgia Institute of Technology) Nitin H. Vaidya (Texas A&M University) Technical Program Committee: Samir Das University of Cincinnati Deborah Estrin USC/ISI J.J. Garcia-Luna-Aceves University of California, Santa Cruz Mario Gerla University of California, Los Angeles Zygmunt Haas Cornell University Parviz Kermani IBM Research Katia Obraczka USC/ISI Stephen Pink University of Arizona Ram Ramanathan BBN Technologies Adam Wolisz Technische Universitat Berlin From rem-conf Mon Mar 20 18:03:51 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Mon Mar 20 18:03:50 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12XDv1-0006Q0-00; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:57:15 -0800 Received: from bulls.mei.co.jp [202.224.189.102] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12XDuz-0006OV-00; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:57:13 -0800 Received: by bulls.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id KAA10695 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:56:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by mariners.mei.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7W) with ESMTP id KAA17049 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:56:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by babel.isl.mei.co.jp (8.8.5/5.11:4.11:isl:980717) with SMTP id LAA07076 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:06:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by gum.isl.mei.co.jp (4.1/4.2:2.0:isl-slv-b:920527) id AA00418; Tue, 21 Mar 00 10:53:08 JST Message-Id: <147501bf92d2$a5bede00$460db684@isl.mei.co.jp> From: "Akihiro Miyazaki" To: Subject: proposed draft "RTP Payload Type Format to Enable Selective Retransmissions" Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:13:20 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dear all, Please find the Internet Draft of "RTP Payload Type Format to Enable Selective Retransmissions" at the http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-miyazaki-avt-rtp-selret-00.txt or http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-miyazaki-avt-rtp-selret-00.ps . Any comment is welcome. Sincerely yours, Akihiro ------------------------------------------------------ Akihiro Miyazaki Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. Tel +81-6-6900-9192 Fax +81-6-6900-9193 e-mail: akihiro@isl.mei.co.jp ------------------------------------------------------ From rem-conf Tue Mar 21 02:39:16 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 21 02:39:14 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12XLrO-0003WG-00; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:26:02 -0800 Received: from ursamajor.cisco.com [171.69.63.56] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12XLrL-0003Vk-00; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:25:59 -0800 Received: from networkers-dhcp-98.cisco.com (networkers-dhcp-98.cisco.com [144.254.137.98]) by ursamajor.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.2-SunOS.5.5.1.sun4/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA10777; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:21:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:34:04 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: Stephen Casner To: Sylvie Brunelle cc: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-07.txt In-Reply-To: <38CE454D.ABB78C50@jungle.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: X-Warning: UNAuthenticated Sender MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Sylvie Brunelle wrote: > is that possible to know where are the differences between the draft > draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-06.txt and the new draft > draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-07.txt? > > This would enable me going directly to these parts. The changes are minimal. The "Resolution of Open Issues" section at the start of the document lists them: Changes in this draft from the previous one were a clarification of the wording of requirements in Section 6.3; clarification of the use of ports for unicast sessions in Section 10; and a correction to the negative clamping value in Appendix A.3. Sorry for the slow response, I am on travel. -- Steve From rem-conf Tue Mar 21 10:24:55 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 21 10:24:54 2000 Received: from list by mail2.es.net with local (Exim 1.92 #1) for rem-conf-dist@es.net id 12XTBx-0004Ek-00; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:15:45 -0800 Received: from gumby.cs.berkeley.edu ([128.32.32.38]) by mail2.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) for rem-conf@es.net id 12XTBw-0004Ea-00; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:15:44 -0800 Received: from sockeye (sockeye.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.36.74]) by gumby.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA28553; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:59:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000321100000.00acc960@plateau.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: florissa@plateau.cs.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:00:00 -0800 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: Florissa Colina Subject: 3/22 Gaze-corrected Videoconferencing -- Jim Gemmell, Microsoft Bay Area Research Center Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Berkeley Multimedia, Graphics and Interfaces Seminar Gaze-corrected Videoconferencing Wednesday March 22, 2000 1:10 - 2:30 PST Fujitsu Seminar Room (405 Soda Hall) Jim Gemmell Microsoft Bay Area Research Center Many desktop videoconferencing systems are ineffective due to deficiencies in gaze awareness and sense of spatial relationship. Previous work to correct this has employed special hardware. At Microsoft's Bay Area Research Center, we have been working on a software-only approach. Heads and eyes in the video are tracked using computer-vision techniques, and the tracking information is transmitted along with the video stream. Receivers take the tracking information corresponding to the video to place the head and eyes in a virtual 3D space such that gaze awareness and a sense of space is provided. --------------- The seminar is broadcast live on the Internet Mbone and as a Real Networks G2 broadcast. You can connect to the live RealNetworks broadcast at: http://media2.bmrc.berkeley.edu/bibs/schedule.cfm You'll see a link to cs298-5/real networks/live programs. You can also directly put in this url into the Real Player: rtsp://media2.bmrc.berkeley.edu/encoder/cs298-5.rm To do so you will need to have the "Real Player G2" installed, which is available from: http://www.real.com/products/player/downloadrealplayer.html To tune into the Internet MBone broadcast, look for the announcement in your MBone session directory program ('sdr'). If you are not receiving the announcement you may be able to receive the session by manually configuring the client programs ('vic', and 'vat') with the session addresses: low bit rate video: 233.0.25.1/22334 audio: 233.0.25.2/22446 medium bit rate video: 233.0.25.129/22334 audio: 233.0.25.2/22446 You can get further information about this seminar, and access to replays of previous seminars at the MIG Seminar web page: http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/298/index.html Sponsored by the Berkeley Multimedia Research Center From rem-conf Wed Mar 22 03:26:42 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 22 03:26:41 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Xj1n-0002T5-00; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 03:10:19 -0800 Received: from olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bonn.de) [131.220.4.1] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Xj1k-0002Sv-00; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 03:10:16 -0800 Received: from cs.uni-bonn.de (ottawa.informatik.uni-bonn.de [131.220.6.144]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bonn.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E896062EA; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:10:11 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <38D8A9D1.A8F319E9@cs.uni-bonn.de> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:09:06 +0100 From: Peter Martini Organization: University of Bonn, Institute of Computer Science IV X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Martini, Peter" Subject: CfP LCN 2000 - The 25th Annual IEEE Conference on Local Computer Networks Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------52FFA6BEFFD80149A9218313" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------52FFA6BEFFD80149A9218313 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Apologies if you receive this note more than once, it was not intentional.) Dear colleague, We hope that you will consider submitting a paper to the 25th LCN conference to be held in November 8 - 10, 2000 in Tampa, Florida. Attached is the LCN 2000 CFP in PDF format. Appended below is the CFP in text form. The LCN website is at http://www.ieeelcn.org If you have any questions about LCN 2000, please do not hesitate to contact us. Hoping to see you in Tampa in November 2000! Regards, Ken Christensen and Peter Martini (program chairs for LCN 2000) ================================================================== CALL FOR PAPERS LCN 2000 The 25th Annual IEEE Conference on Local Computer Networks November 8 - 10, 2000 Embassy Suites USF, Tampa, Florida http://www.ieeelcn.org Sponsored by the IEEE Computer Society with support from GTE Data Services, Paradyne Corporation, and the University of South Florida College of Engineering. Important dates: ---------------- Paper submission: May 19, 2000 Notification of acceptance: July 14, 2000 Camera-ready copy due: August 18, 2000 General Information: -------------------- The IEEE LCN conference is the premier conference on leading edge and practical computer networking. The emphasis of this conference is on practical solutions to important problems in computer networking. During the 25 years of this conference, we have moved from problems in the local network to problems in the global Internet and World Wide Web. Our unique approach stimulates a workshop environment and enables an effective interchange among researchers, users, and product developers. We encourage you to submit original papers describing research results or practical solutions. Paper topics include, but are not limited to: - Local Area Networks - Home Networks - Wireless Networks - Storage Area Networks - Optical Networks - Realtime Networks - Active Networks - ATM - Gigabit Ethernet - LAN/WAN Internetworking - DSL Technologies - Network Management - Network Security - Network Reliability - Multicasting - Enabling QoS in High-Speed Networks - Always On / Always Connected - Internet / Intranet - Anything-over-IP - IP-over-Anything - Performance Evaluation - Protocol Design and Validation Authors are invited to submit full or short papers for presentation at the conference. Full papers should present novel perspectives on computer networking within the general scope of the conference topics listed above and may be up to 10 camera-ready pages in length. Short papers are an opportunity to present preliminary or interim results and are limited to 2 camera-ready pages in length. All papers will be reviewed by a minimum of three reviewers. A best paper award will be presented. Several student travel scholarships will be available courtesy of the LCN corporate supporters. All submitted papers must include title, complete contact information for all authors, abstract, and keywords on the cover page. The correspondence author must be clearly identified. Paper Submission Instructions: ------------------------------ Email one postscript version of your manuscript to the program chair at christen@csee.usf.edu. Alternatively, send five hard copies via postal mail to: Dr. Kenneth J. Christensen Department of Computer Science and Engineering 4202 East Fowler Avenue, ENB 118 University of South Florida Tampa, FL 33620 Tutorials: ---------- LCN 2000 will begin with one full day of tutorials. Individuals interested in giving a tutorial should contact the Tutorials Chair (Garry Kessler at kessler@symquest.com). LCN 2000 Committee: ------------------- General Chair: F. Huebner, AT&T (fhuebner@att.com) Program Chairs: K. Christensen, USF (christen@csee.usf.edu) P. Martini, Univ. of Bonn (martini@informatik.uni-bonn.de) IEEE Liaison: J. Bumblis, Seagate (Joseph_R_Bumblis@notes.seagate.com) Finance Chair: K. Prasad, UMass-Lowell (Kanti_Prasad@uml.edu) Tutorials Chair: G. Kessler, SymQuest (kessler@symquest.com) Panels Chairs: J. W. Atwood, Concordia (bill@cs.concordia.ca) T. Strayer, BBN (strayer@bbn.com) Arrangements Chairs: K. Christensen, USF (christen@csee.usf.edu) R. Sankar, USF (sankar@csee.usf.edu) Webmaster: G. Kessler, SymQuest (kessler@symquest.com) Overseas Advisors: S. Jha, UNSW, (Australia) (sjha@cse.unsw.edu.au) P. Martini, Univ of Bonn, (Europe) (martini@informatik.uni-bonn.de) Standing Committee: M. McKee, Bowling Green E. Nolley, Strategic Growth H. 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If you wish to be removed, please type REMOVE in the subject line: ty22@mauimail.com From rem-conf Thu Mar 23 00:57:42 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 23 00:57:41 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Y3MD-0004FE-00; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:52:45 -0800 Received: from ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com (mail.rdc1.tn.home.com) [24.2.7.66] (imail) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Y3MB-0004F0-00; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:52:43 -0800 Received: from ci39026-a.home.com ([24.4.232.94]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000323085228.LLVA11669.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@ci39026-a.home.com>; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:52:28 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20010323015457.00cf4100@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu> X-Sender: gavishb@mail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:56:11 -0600 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: Bezalel Gavish Subject: Move to SMU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_34547963==_.ALT" X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list --=====================_34547963==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I am glad to inform you that starting on June 1, 2000 I will serve as the Eugene J. and Ruth F. Constantin Distinguished Chair in Business at the Edwin L. Cox School of Business at the Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas. In addition to being the chair holder I will be the Chairman of the Telecommunications and Electronic Commerce Program, and the Chairman of the Operations Management Program at the Cox School. Among my many other duties I will be the Director of the Telecommunications and Electronic Commerce Research Center at Southern Methodist University. I plan to continue and run the International Conference on Telecommunications Systems Management and the International Conference on Telecommunications and Electronic Commerce. Both conferences will be held in Dallas on an annual basis. The Cox school has an MBA program in Telecommunications and Electronic Commerce, and will soon have a PhD program in TEC. As soon as I receive my new e-mail address and contact information, I will send it your way. I look forward to our future cooperation. Best Regards, Bezalel --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bezalel Gavish Home Address Owen Graduate School of Management 1182 Travelers Ridge Dr. Vanderbilt University Nashville, TN 37220 Nashville, TN 37220 USA USA Tel: Office (615) 322-3659 FAX (615) 343-7177 Home (615) 370-0813 Email: gavishb@home.com --=====================_34547963==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I am glad to inform you that starting on June 1, 2000 I will serve as the Eugene J. and Ruth F. Constantin Distinguished Chair in Business at the Edwin L. Cox School of Business at the Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas.
In addition to being the chair holder I will be the Chairman of the Telecommunications and Electronic Commerce Program, and the Chairman of the Operations Management Program at the Cox School.

Among my many other duties I will be the Director of the Telecommunications and Electronic Commerce Research Center at Southern Methodist University. I plan to continue and run the International Conference on Telecommunications Systems Management and the International Conference on Telecommunications and Electronic Commerce. Both conferences will be held in Dallas on an annual basis.

The Cox school has an MBA program in Telecommunications and Electronic Commerce, and will soon have a PhD program in TEC.

As soon as I receive my new e-mail address and contact information, I will send it your way.

I look forward to our future cooperation.



Best Regards,
Bezalel
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Bezalel Gavish                                          Home Address
Owen Graduate School of Management                              1182 Travelers Ridge Dr.        
Vanderbilt University                                           Nashville, TN  37220
Nashville, TN 37220                                             USA
USA

Tel: Office (615) 322-3659            FAX (615) 343-7177
      Home (615) 370-0813

Email: gavishb@home.com --=====================_34547963==_.ALT-- From rem-conf Thu Mar 23 21:16:13 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Thu Mar 23 21:16:12 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12YMEh-0001Bn-00; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:02:15 -0800 Received: from dino.virtualworkshop.com (virtualworkshop.com) [208.14.33.1] (root) by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12YMEf-0001Bd-00; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:02:13 -0800 Received: from virtualworkshop.com (barney.virtualworkshop.com [208.14.33.4]) by virtualworkshop.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA01557; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:02:10 -0500 Message-ID: <38DAF6D3.9E575151@virtualworkshop.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:02:11 -0500 From: "Michael D. Myjak" Reply-To: mmyjak@virtualworkshop.com Organization: The Virtual Workshop, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: Re: Room for Steve Carson... References: <38DAF01F.5231A9C7@virtualworkshop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list > Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:56:11 -0600 > To: (Recipient list suppressed) > From: Bezalel Gavish > Subject: Move to SMU > > I am glad to inform you that starting on June 1, 2000 I will serve as the Eugene J. and Ruth F. Constantin > Distinguished Chair in Business at the Edwin L. Cox School of Business at the Southern Methodist > University in Dallas, Texas. In addition to being the chair holder I will be the Chairman of the > Telecommunications and Electronic Commerce Program, and the Chairman of the Operations Management > Program at the Cox School. > > > Bezalel, Congratulations! SMU is a great school... and Dallas is a fine city. And while many a marketeer have suggested it, the new millennium doesn't start until next January. 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF9782.FF04A3A0-- From rem-conf Sun Mar 26 20:20:03 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Sun Mar 26 20:20:00 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12ZQuE-0006Jd-00; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:13:34 -0800 Received: from research.gate.nec.co.jp [202.247.6.217] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12ZQuA-0006JT-00; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:13:30 -0800 Received: from luke.dsp.cl.nec.co.jp (root@luke.dsp.cl.nec.co.jp [133.207.60.3]) by research.gate.nec.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/000201) with ESMTP id NAA17376 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:13:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kero (dhcp12.dsp.cl.nec.co.jp [133.207.60.84]) by luke.dsp.cl.nec.co.jp (8.9.1b+Sun/CL-991222) with SMTP id NAA13698; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:13:18 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <013601bf97a2$c7a8fc60$543ccf85@dsp.cl.nec.co.jp> From: "Toshiyuki Nomura" To: "IETF AVT" References: <01d401bf8e1f$2770d6a0$1ec77885@kaiji> <01e701bf94d1$983132a0$1b0d010a@toshibass> Subject: Re: Result of MPEG-4 Visual RTP Interoperability Test Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:13:17 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dear experts, > I have much pleasure in informing you that the interoperability test > demonstration for the MPEG-4 Visual RTP payload format has been finished > successfully in Noordwijkerhout at the MPEG Systems group demo session. > Attached you will find a revised test report with an explanation of this > demonstration. > It is also planned that there is an interoperability test for the MPEG-4 > Audio RTP during this meeting. The test report will follow soon. The interoperability test demonstration for MPEG-4 Audio has been also finished successfully. The test report is temporally available on the ftp site ftp.labs.nec.co.jp/outgoing/w3233.zip within a week. It will be soon available on the following MPEG official Home Page: http://drogo.cselt.stet.it/mpeg/ http://www.labs.nec.co.jp/mpeg/audio/ > Having these interoperability tests, we are now confident that the MPEG-4 > Audio/Visual RTP payload format is technically mature. 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Carsten Herpel(Thomson Multimedia), Jan Vandermeer (Philips), Pierre Cl=E9ment(Thomast), Michael Stepping (FernUni-Hagen), among some other participants, assited to the discussion and the result of the = discussion is that MPEG-4, as far as protection is concerned,likes a protection per = stream rather than a protection per packet proposed in the contribution. This = means that this contribution will be revisited, modified and again presented = in June. The other point is also that a common (SL streams and FlexMux streams) contribution would be of some interest for the carriage of the = so-called "MPEG-4 System" streams. The Payload for SL streams is the contribution already presented by the = Ad Hoc group common to IETF and MPEG-4. It is then obvious, that it is not really mandatory that the "IETF/AVT group" spend time on the Flexmux contribution during the Ad=E9la=EFde = meeting. The only interesting point in this contribution might be the advantages = that are assigned to a MPEG-4 FlexMultiplexing scenario. Arnaud Longeanie will be our delegate to the IETF meeting: as he will = attend other groups it will not necessarily be easy for him to follow your discussions as a regular participant. In June, Emmanuel Gouleau, more directly concerned by the = FlexMultiplexing scenario will attend the IETF meeting. =20 Next time, MPEG will meet in July. All the success for the IETF meeting best regards Dominique _________________________________________ dominique.curet@cnet.francetelecom.fr CNET/DSM/RENNES Direction des Services de diffusion et Multim=E9dia Lab. 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Simply visit our Free Gift Page at http://www.HawaiianHarbor.com If you would prefer not to receive any mail from us, write to Remove@HawaiianHarbor.com Have a Great Day From rem-conf Tue Mar 28 01:14:16 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 28 01:14:15 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Zryl-0007Cw-00; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:08:03 -0800 Received: from p-voyageur.issy.cnet.fr [139.100.0.39] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Zryj-0007Ci-00; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:08:01 -0800 Received: by p-voyageur.issy.cnet.fr with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:07:38 +0200 Message-ID: From: CURET Dominique FTRD/DMI/REN To: "'casner@cisco.com'" , 'Colin Perkins' Cc: rem-conf@es.net, "'alongeanie@yahoo.fr'" , VEILLARD Michel FTRD/DMI/REN , CURET Dominique FTRD/DMI/REN , ROUX Catherine FTRD/DMI/REN , GOULEAU Emmanuel FTRD/DMI/REN Subject: Payload formats for MPEG-4 streams Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:07:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dear All, the previous message was related to the Minutes of the discussions held within MPEG. This message is related to the issues related to the protection of a = FlexMux stream: =20 For a FlexMux stream carrying "MPEG-4 system" Elementary streams, a protection based on the FlexMux stream characteristics may be relevant. For a FlexMux stream carrying traditional Audio and Video Elementary = stream, this is may be not the case. Audio and Video have perhaps = characteristics that dont allow to apply such protection mechanisms on the FlexMux = stream. In such a case, a packet per packet protection mechanism is may be more relevant. So it may appear that the FlexMux stream mechanism will require a = packet per packet protection, (as proposed by Guillemot). best regards _________________________________________ dominique.curet@cnet.francetelecom.fr CNET/DSM/RENNES Direction des Services de diffusion et Multim=E9dia Lab. R=E9seaux de Diffusion et de Consultation=20 % + 33 (0)2 99 12 40 05 Fax : + 33 (0)2 99 12 40 98 ) CCETT B.P. 59 4, rue du Clos Courtel=20 35512 Cesson-Sevigne Cedex FRANCE -----Message d'origine----- De: CURET Dominique FTRD/DMI/REN [mailto:dominique.curet@rd.francetelecom.fr] Date: lundi 27 mars 2000 18:47 =C0: 'casner@cisco.com'; 'Colin Perkins' Cc: rem-conf@es.net; 'alongeanie@yahoo.fr'; VEILLARD Michel FTRD/DMI/REN; ROUX Catherine FTRD/DMI/REN; GOULEAU Emmanuel = FTRD/DMI/REN Objet: Payload formats for MPEG-4 streams Dear all, According to the Draft agenda that we received, I want to point out something related to the Payload formats for MPEG-4 where four = contributions appear: =09 draft-ietf-avt-mpeg4streams-00.txt (Guillemot) draft-gc-avt-mpeg4visual-00.txt (Guillemot) draft-rgcc-avt-mpeg4flexmux-00.txt (?) draft-ietf-avt-rtp-mpeg4-es-00.txt (Kikuchi) and specially I want to point out the one marked with a (?) related to MPEG-4 FlexMux streams: This contribution has been presented to MPEG-4 last week. Carsten Herpel(Thomson Multimedia), Jan Vandermeer (Philips), Pierre Cl=E9ment(Thomast), Michael Stepping (FernUni-Hagen), among some other participants, assited to the discussion and the result of the = discussion is that MPEG-4, as far as protection is concerned,likes a protection per = stream rather than a protection per packet proposed in the contribution. This = means that this contribution will be revisited, modified and again presented = in June. The other point is also that a common (SL streams and FlexMux streams) contribution would be of some interest for the carriage of the = so-called "MPEG-4 System" streams. The Payload for SL streams is the contribution already presented by the = Ad Hoc group common to IETF and MPEG-4. It is then obvious, that it is not really mandatory that the "IETF/AVT group" spend time on the Flexmux contribution during the Ad=E9la=EFde = meeting. The only interesting point in this contribution might be the advantages = that are assigned to a MPEG-4 FlexMultiplexing scenario. Arnaud Longeanie will be our delegate to the IETF meeting: as he will = attend other groups it will not necessarily be easy for him to follow your discussions as a regular participant. In June, Emmanuel Gouleau, more directly concerned by the = FlexMultiplexing scenario will attend the IETF meeting. =20 Next time, MPEG will meet in July. All the success for the IETF meeting best regards Dominique _________________________________________ dominique.curet@cnet.francetelecom.fr CNET/DSM/RENNES Direction des Services de diffusion et Multim=E9dia Lab. R=E9seaux de Diffusion et de Consultation=20 % + 33 (0)2 99 12 40 05 Fax : + 33 (0)2 99 12 40 98 ) CCETT B.P. 59 4, rue du Clos Courtel=20 35512 Cesson-Sevigne Cedex FRANCE From rem-conf Tue Mar 28 07:32:02 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Tue Mar 28 07:32:02 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12Zxqa-0004ha-00; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:24:00 -0800 Received: from tokyo.ccrle.nec.de [195.37.70.2] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12ZxqY-0004hQ-00; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:23:58 -0800 Received: from wallace.heidelberg.ccrle.nec.de (Wallace.heidelberg.ccrle.nec.de [192.168.102.1]) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.8.7/3.6W980303HK) with ESMTP id RAA18355; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:22:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from prak (Prak.heidelberg.ccrle.nec.de [192.168.102.92]) by wallace.heidelberg.ccrle.nec.de (8.8.7/3.6W980203HK) with SMTP id RAA21920; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:37:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <008601bf98c9$7c215170$5c66a8c0@heidelberg.ccrle.nec.de> From: "hjs" To: "atm2000" Subject: IEEE HPSR/ATM2000 Program Online and Registration open Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:22:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de id RAA18355 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Dear Colleague, I am happy to announce that the preliminary program for the IEEE High Performance Switching and Routing Conference 2000 (ATM2000) >from June 26 to June 29, 2000 at Heidelberg/Germany is now online available at http://atm2000.ccrle.nec.de/ . 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These two workstations are separated by a Linux gateway (RH6.1, k2.2.14). What I have to operate on Linux system? I've prepared a kernel with 'IP Tunneling', 'IP multicasting' and 'IP multicast router' options checked. What more? Some additional package? I have to specify that on the same LAN the two FPhones on Windows work well. thank you for any help, catalin c. From rem-conf Wed Mar 29 15:39:10 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 29 15:39:09 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12aRty-0002Qo-00; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:29:30 -0800 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.5.31] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12aRtx-0002Qe-00; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:29:29 -0800 Received: from static-240-16.ietf.connect.com.au by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:29:24 +0100 Received: from csperkins.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by csperkins.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA01121 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:17:51 +0100 Message-Id: <200003291417.PAA01121@csperkins.demon.co.uk> To: rem-conf@es.net Subject: AVT slides Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:47:51 +0930 From: Colin Perkins X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Could those people who presented in AVT please send me an electronic copy of your slides, for inclusion in the minutes. Thanks, Colin From rem-conf Wed Mar 29 21:57:51 2000 From rem-conf-request@es.net Wed Mar 29 21:57:49 2000 Received: from list by mail1.es.net with local (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12aXqF-0006TQ-00; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:50:03 -0800 Received: from wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.68] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 12aXqE-0006TG-00; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:50:02 -0800 Received: from neserve0.corp.us.uu.net by wodc7mr1.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: neserve0.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.203.88]) id QQiisd25221; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 05:50:00 GMT Received: by neserve0.corp.us.uu.net id QQiisd05542; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:49:51 -0500 (EST) From: jhall@UU.NET (Jeremy Hall) Message-Id: Subject: Re: multicast over Linux In-Reply-To: from Catalin Condurache at "Mar 29, 2000 02:24:13 pm" To: Catalin Condurache Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:49:51 -0500 (EST) CC: rem-conf@es.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list Try obtaining a program called mrouted. Bill Fenner should be able to tell you where it is. _J In the new year, Catalin Condurache wrote: > Hello! > > I want to use FreePhone application (made by INRIA) on two Win95 desktops. > These two workstations are separated by a Linux gateway (RH6.1, k2.2.14). > What I have to operate on Linux system? I've prepared a kernel with 'IP > Tunneling', 'IP multicasting' and 'IP multicast router' options checked. > What more? 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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:00:48 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01BF9AF7.FD44B000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: rem-conf@es.net Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BF9AF7.FD44B000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="euc-kr" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all Section 6.3.1(Page21) in RTP internet draft ( = draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-07.ps ). 6.3.1 Computing the RTCP transmission interval To maintain ..... as follows: 1. If there are ..... . If the number of senders is greater than 25%, = senders and receivers are treated together. The constant C is set to the = total RTCP bandwidth and n is set to the total number of members. 2. If ..... There seem to be a mistake In last sentence of item 1, I think that may = be changed to=20 " The constant C is set to the average RTCP packet size divided by total = RTCP=20 bandwidth and n is set to the total number of members." Have a nice day.. ----------------------------------------------------- Nam Kyu Kim=20 R & D Team 9 Mobile Telecommunication Terminal Division HYUNDAI ELECTRONICS INDUSTRIES Co., Ltd. TEL : (82-2)580-5511 FAX : (82-2)580-5487 Home : (82-2)2282-3077 C.P. : 017-211-3077 E-mail : batman@good.to ----------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BF9AF7.FD44B000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="euc-kr" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all
 
Section 6.3.1(Page21) in  RTP internet draft (=20 draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-07.ps ).
 
6.3.1 Computing the RTCP transmission = interval
To maintain ..... as = follows:
1. If there are .....  . If the number of = senders is=20 greater than 25%, senders
   and receivers are treated together. = The=20 constant C is set to the total RTCP
   bandwidth and n is set to the total = number of=20 members.
2. If .....
 
There seem to be a mistake In last sentence of item = 1,=20 I think that may be changed to
" The constant C is set to the average RTCP = packet size=20 divided by total RTCP
bandwidth and n is set to the = total number of=20 members."
 
Have a nice day..
-----------------------------------------------------
Nam=20 Kyu Kim
R & D Team 9
Mobile Telecommunication Terminal=20 Division
HYUNDAI ELECTRONICS INDUSTRIES Co., Ltd.
 
TEL : = (82-2)580-5511       FAX :=20 (82-2)580-5487
Home : (82-2)2282-3077   C.P. :=20 017-211-3077
E-mail : batman@good.to
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