Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa13242; 11 Mar 94 17:43 EST Received: from CNRI.RESTON.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa13236; 11 Mar 94 17:43 EST Received: from nic.near.net by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa20827; 11 Mar 94 17:43 EST Received: from nic.near.net by nic.near.net id aa17378; 11 Mar 94 22:29 GMT Received: from venera.isi.edu by nic.near.net id aa17372; 11 Mar 94 22:27 GMT Received: from akamai.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-14) id ; Fri, 11 Mar 1994 14:27:22 -0800 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 14:27:20 -0800 Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: jkrey@isi.edu Posted-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 14:27:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199403112227.AA13528@akamai.isi.edu> Received: by akamai.isi.edu (5.65c/4.0.3-4) id ; Fri, 11 Mar 1994 14:27:20 -0800 To: us-wg@nic.near.net, wg-isus@rare.nl Subject: FYI4, RFC1594 on FYI Q/A - for New Internet Users ----- Begin Included Message ----- To: IETF-Announce: ; Subject: FYI4, RFC1594 on FYI Q/A - for New Internet Users Cc: jkrey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=NextPart Date: Fri, 11 Mar 94 13:44:52 PST From: "Joyce K. Reynolds" --NextPart A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. FYI 4: RFC 1594: Title: FYI on Questions and Answers - Answers to Commonly asked "New Internet User" Questions Author: A. Marine, J. Reynolds, & G. Malkin Mailbox: amarine@atlas.arc.nasa.gov, jkrey@isi.edu, gmalkin@Xylogics.COM Pages: 44 Characters: 98,753 Obsoletes: 1325 This FYI RFC is one of two FYI's called, "Questions and Answers" (Q/A), produced by the User Services Working Group of the IETF. The goal is to document the most commonly asked questions and answers in the Internet. This memo provides information for the Internet community. This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF list and the RFC-DIST list. Requests to be added to or deleted from the IETF distribution list should be sent to IETF-REQUEST@CNRI.RESTON.VA.US. Requests to be added to or deleted from the RFC-DIST distribution list should be sent to RFC-REQUEST@NIC.DDN.MIL. Details on obtaining RFCs via FTP or EMAIL may be obtained by sending an EMAIL message to rfc-info@ISI.EDU with the message body help: ways_to_get_rfcs. For example: To: rfc-info@ISI.EDU Subject: getting rfcs help: ways_to_get_rfcs Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the author of the RFC in question, or to admin@DS.INTERNIC.NET. Unless specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for unlimited distribution. Submissions for Requests for Comments should be sent to RFC-EDITOR@ISI.EDU. Please consult RFC 1543, Instructions to RFC Authors, for further information. Joyce K. Reynolds USC/Information Sciences Institute ... 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Reynolds/ISI (jkrey@isi.edu) Discussions/Reports: Joyce Reynolds a) A report on IETF User Services Area activities, including: Working Groups coming to closure and new Working groups starting up, new publications, and current user services related Internet-Drafts postings. b) The USWG - onward and forward c) Gary C. Kessler's draft: "A Primer on Internet and TCP/IP Tools" Scott Williamson and Mark Kosters RWhois - Referral Whois Protocol Slide presentation on the: o protocol document o client software o server software o client document Proposed protocol development in Tim Howes' ASID (Access and Synchronization of the Internet Directory) WG (Applications Area), and functionality, requirements, informational document developments, etc., in the User Services Area. Any Other Business   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa22804; 22 Mar 94 21:21 EST Received: from CNRI.RESTON.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa22798; 22 Mar 94 21:21 EST Received: from nic.near.net by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa22010; 22 Mar 94 21:21 EST Received: from nic.near.net by nic.near.net id aa00663; 22 Mar 94 21:12 EST Received: from venera.isi.edu by nic.near.net id aa00659; 22 Mar 94 21:11 EST Received: from akamai.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-14) id ; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 18:11:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 18:11:27 -0800 Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: jkrey@isi.edu Posted-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 18:11:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199403230211.AA20609@akamai.isi.edu> Received: by akamai.isi.edu (5.65c/4.0.3-4) id ; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 18:11:27 -0800 To: earndoc@earncc.earn.net, us-wg@nic.near.net, wg-isus-request@rare.nl Subject: FYI23, RFC1580 on Guide to Network Resource Tools ----- Begin Included Message ----- To: IETF-Announce: ; Subject: FYI23, RFC1580 on Guide to Network Resource Tools Cc: jkrey Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 18:08:33 PST From: "Joyce K. Reynolds" --NextPart A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. FYI 23: RFC 1580: Title: Guide to Network Resource Tools Author: EARN Staff Mailbox: earndoc@earncc.earn.net Pages: 107 Characters: 235,112 Update/Obsoletes: none As the worldwide academic computer network grows and expands far beyond its previous confines, so the resources and services available on the network evolve and multiply at a dizzying rate. The typical user is hardpressed to keep up with this explosive growth. Fortunately, a number of tools are available to facilitate the task of locating and retrieving network resources, so that users anywhere can utilize texts, data, software and information for public access. Facilities to explore public domain software repositories, to consult mailing list archives and databases, to retrieve directory information and to participate in global group discussions are now available to all. The purpose of this guide is to supply the basic information that anyone on the network needs to try out and begin using these tools. A basic knowledge of networking terminology has been assumed, as well as familiarity with the basic tools of networking: electronic mail (often referred to as e-mail or simply mail throughout this guide) and, for those connected to the Internet, FTP (file transfer protocol) and Telnet (remote login). It is beyond the scope of this guide to describe these basic tools. This memo provides information for the Internet community. This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF list and the RFC-DIST list. Requests to be added to or deleted from the IETF distribution list should be sent to IETF-REQUEST@CNRI.RESTON.VA.US. Requests to be added to or deleted from the RFC-DIST distribution list should be sent to RFC-REQUEST@NIC.DDN.MIL. Details on obtaining RFCs via FTP or EMAIL may be obtained by sending an EMAIL message to rfc-info@ISI.EDU with the message body help: ways_to_get_rfcs. For example: To: rfc-info@ISI.EDU Subject: getting rfcs help: ways_to_get_rfcs Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the author of the RFC in question, or to admin@DS.INTERNIC.NET. Unless specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for unlimited distribution. Submissions for Requests for Comments should be sent to RFC-EDITOR@ISI.EDU. Please consult RFC 1543, Instructions to RFC Authors, for further information. Joyce K. Reynolds USC/Information Sciences Institute ... 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FYI, Joyce ----- Begin Included Message ----- To: uri@bunyip.com Subject: WPS BOF From: "Erik Huizer (SURFnet BV)" Hi, I'd like to draw your attention to the WPS BOF that is scheduled for monday 1330-1530 in Seattle. This BOF will attempt to define a framework for a White Pages Directory Service for the Internet, that includes whois++ and X.500 and such. The meta service for this will probably depend heavily on the usage of URLs. Input from the URI group in this BOF is greatly appreciated. The charter for WPS will be send through ietf-announce shortly. Erik ----- End Included Message -----   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa24622; 23 Mar 94 21:06 EST Received: from CNRI.RESTON.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa24615; 23 Mar 94 21:06 EST Received: from [192.52.71.4] by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa12436; 23 Mar 94 21:05 EST Received: from nic.near.net by nic.near.net id aa14170; 23 Mar 94 20:44 EST Received: from venera.isi.edu by nic.near.net id aa14155; 23 Mar 94 20:43 EST Received: from akamai.isi.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-14) id ; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 17:43:02 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 17:43:05 -0800 Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: jkrey@isi.edu Posted-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 17:43:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199403240143.AA21624@akamai.isi.edu> Received: by akamai.isi.edu (5.65c/4.0.3-4) id ; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 17:43:05 -0800 To: us-wg@nic.near.net Subject: "A Primer On the Internet and TCP/IP Tools (DRAFT)" Cc: jkrey@isi.edu USWGers, This proposed draft was put on the USWG agenda. Please read the information contained below so that we can discuss at the session on Monday. I will have a very limited number of hardcopies to distribute at the session. Gary Kessler and Steve Shepard wanted to work with the USWG in creating this document, instead of an independent RFC submission. Joyce ----- Begin Included Message ----- ... M E M O R A N D U M TO: Joyce Reynolds and the User Services WG FROM: Gary Kessler and Steve Shepard DATE: 22 March 1994 RE: Internet and TCP/IP Tools Primer ================================================================== Joyce -- To follow-up our initial e-mails, Steve and I propose to write an FYI/RFC that will be a primer on the use of the tools available for the Internet and TCP/IP. The purpose is to create a very beginner's user guide that is a supplement to both RFC 1594 (FYI 4) and RFC 1207 (FYI 7). This document, however, would be a stand- alone guide that would provide some hand-holding for users who have never done a ping, finger, ftp, or telnet before. Our goal is to provide what is basically a lab manual for users as well as a document that could be modified by a computer center manager to prepare a site-specific user's guide. It is not intended for the first-time system administrator as much as for the first time user. We have listed a draft table of contents below and have included a portion of a draft. The introductory sections on the Internet and TCP/IP provide basic terms and concepts so that the rest of the explanations make sense. Descriptions of actual tools will include common commands and their options, show (and explain) an actual session dialogue, and provide source information. As is the custom, the RFC will be in ASCII. However, we also plan on creating a secondary version in PostScript that will be easier to read (particularly important in the session dialogues to easier differentiate user input from the program output). A Primer On the Internet and TCP/IP Tools VERY TENTATIVE TABLE OF CONTENTS Status of this Memo Table of Contents 1. Introduction 2. What is TCP/IP and the Internet? 2.1 The Evolution of TCP/IP and the Internet 2.2 Internet Growth 3. The TCP/IP Protocol Architecture 3.1 Underlying Technology 3.2 The Network Layer 3.2.1 IP Addresses 3.2.2 IP Domains and Host Names 3.2.3 ARP 3.2.4 OSPF and RIP 3.2.5 ICMP 3.3 The Transport Layer 3.3.1 TCP 3.3.2 UDP 3.4 Applications 3.5 Summary 3.6 The Internet and TCP/IP 4. A Starter's Guide to Some of the Utilities and Applications 4.1 NSLOOKUP 4.2 PING 4.3 TRACEROUTE 4.4 FINGER 4.5 FTP 4.6 TELNET 4.7 User Database Lookup Tools 4.7.1 WHOIS/NICNAME 4.7.2 KNOWBOT 4.8 Information Servers 4.8.1 ARCHIE 4.8.2 GOPHER 4.8.3 Other Information Servers 4.9 ELECTRONIC MAIL AND SMTP 4.10 Getting even more information on-line... 4.10.1 Distribution lists and mailing lists 4.10.2 RFCs 4.10.3 Getting STDs 4.10.4 Getting FYIs 4.10.5 Getting internet drafts 5. Security Considerations 6. Acknowledgements 7. Authors' Address 8. References Under separate cover, I am sending you a VERY drafty draft. What I'm sending you is more as a demonstration of what we're thinking of rather than as an "Internet draft". Thanks!! /kessler ----- End Included Message ----- ----- Begin Included Message ----- Date: 22 Mar 1994 15:08:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary C. Kessler, +1 802-655-8633" Subject: A draft of our RFC (long)... To: jkrey@ISI.EDU User Services Working Group G.C. Kessler Request for Comments: 16xx (DRAFT) S.D. Shepard FYI: 2x Hill Associates, Inc. Category: Informational (DRAFT) xxxx 1994 A Primer On the Internet and TCP/IP Tools (DRAFT) Status of this Memo This memo (is a draft of one that) provides information for the Internet community. This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. Table of Contents 1. Introduction .................................................. 1 1. Introduction .................................................. 1 1. Introduction .................................................. 1 1. Introduction .................................................. 1 1. Introduction .................................................. 1 1. Introduction .................................................. 1 1. Introduction .................................................. 1 1. Introduction .................................................. 1 1. 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Introduction .................................................. 1 1. Introduction An ever-increasing number of users are accessing the Internet and, many for the first time, using the tools and utilities that at one time were only available for UNIX systems (and really intense users!). A significant number of TCP/IP and Internet books, articles, and courses have become available in the last year, partially indicative of this growth. Most of the popular literature, however, has been oriented towards the system administrator or network manager at a site, and even the "introductory topics" intimidate the first-time users. Many sites, in fact, could use a basic guide to the common utilities found in today's TCP/IP packages for mainframes and personal computers alike, that would form the basis of a site-specific user's guide. This RFC is a brief guide to the Internet and TCP/IP, with an emphasis on TCP/IP terms, concepts, tools, and utilities. It is meant as a brief guide for the end user and will refer to many other sources for more detailed information. It can act as a tutorial or laboratory manual for new users first using TCP/IP and the related tools and utilities. This RFC is available in ASCII format. A secondary version is available in PostScript that is slightly easier to read. 2. What is TCP/IP and the Internet? 2.1. The Evolution of TCP/IP and the Internet Prior to the 1960s, what little computer communication existed comprised simple text and binary data, carried by the most common telecommunications network technology of the day; namely, circuit switching, the technology of the telephone networks for nearly a hundred years. Because of the characteristics of most data traffic, circuit switching results in highly inefficient use of network resources and, in the early 1960s, descriptions of packet switching started to appear that addressed these inefficiencies. With packet switching, network resources appeared to be dedicated to individual users but, in fact, statistical multiplexing and an upper limit on the size of a transmitted entity resulted in fast, economical data networks. The modern Internet began as a U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) funded experiment in the technology of packet switching. In 1968, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) awarded a contract to design and deploy a packet switching network to Bolt, Beranek and Newman (BBN), then a new consulting firm. In 1969, less than a year after the award of the contract, the network became operational under the name of ARPANET. Starting with only four nodes in 1969, the ARPANET spanned the continental U.S. by 1975 and had sites worldwide by the 1980s [[see maps]]. [[reference to maps, CCR]] The original ARPANET gave life to a number of protocols that were new to packet switching. One of the greatest successes of the ARPANET was the development of a user-network interface that has become the standard interface between users and packet switched networks: CCITT (now ITU-T) Recommendation X.25. Many of the internal network protocols, however, proved to be error prone and there were frequent network crashes. In 1974, a new, more robust suite of protocols was proposed and implemented throughout the ARPANET, base upon the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) and the Internet Protocol (IP). Although the protocol suite is usually referred to as "TCP/IP," that name is very misleading because it actually comprises a large collection of protocols and utilities, of which TCP and IP are only two (albeit perhaps the two most important). The versions of both TCP [z] and IP [a] that are in common use were written in September 1981. In 1983, the DoD mandated that all computers must use the TCP/IP protocol suite for long-haul communications, further enhancing the scope and importance of the ARPANET. In 1984, the ARPANET was split into two components. One component, still called ARPANET, was used for research and development; the other, called MILNET, was used to carry unclassified military traffic. With this division, the Internet was born. That year also saw a huge boost in the popularity of TCP/IP with its inclusion as the communications kernel for the University of California s UNIX implementation, BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) UNIX. In 1985, the National Science Foundation (NSF) built NSFNET, a network that provided connectivity to all NSF-funded supercomputers and subnetworks. The NSFNET became what we now know as the Internet, linking scientific and research sites. Eventually, commercial access was allowed over the Internet, using "extra" bandwidth on the communications facilities. In 1988, the DoD and most of the U.S. Government chose to adopt Open Systems Interconnection (OSI) protocols. TCP/IP, which has been developed with U.S. government funds, was viewed as an interim, proprietary solution since it ran only on limited hardware platforms and OSI products were only a couple of years away. The DoD mandated that by August 1990, all new computer communications products that it purchased would use OSI protocols and use of TCP/IP would be phased out. Subsequently, the U.S. Government OSI Profile (GOSIP) defined the set of protocols that would have to be supported by products sold to the federal government and TCP/IP was not included. What happened, of course, is that development of TCP/IP continued as the Internet grew quickly during the late 1980s. TCP/IP development has always been carried out in an open environment (although the size of the "open" community was small due to the small number of ARPA/NSF sites), based upon "rough consensus and working code" (this quote is attributed to David Clark of M.I.T.). OSI products are still a couple of years away while TCP/IP has become, in the minds of many, the real open systems interconnection protocol suite. It is not the purpose of this document to take a position in the OSI vs. TCP/IP debate. Nevertheless, a number of observations are in order. First, the ISO Development Environment (ISODE) was developed in 1990 to provide an approach for OSI migration for the DoD. ISODE software allows OSI applications to operate over TCP/IP. During this same period, the Internet and OSI communities started to work together to bring about the best of both worlds. Many TCP/IP features started to migrate into OSI protocols, particularly the OSI Transport Protocol class 4 (TP4) and the Connectionless Network Layer Protocol (CLNP), respectively. In 1994, a report from the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) suggested that GOSIP should incorporate TCP/IP and drop the OSI requirement. 2.2 Internet Growth The APRANET started with four nodes in 1969. During its lifetime, it grew to ghgkjh nodes in 198x. During the summer of 1990, the ARPANET was decommissioned as all remaining sites and traffic moved to the Internet. The Internet, meanwhile, has experienced literally exponential growth. (Get some info from the Internet growth pages/documents. RFC?) As of October 1993, the Internet had 2,056,000 hosts attached to it, representing an 81% increase in 12 months. The Internet is growing today at a rate of about 1,000 hosts per week attached to more than 16,500 networks. An Internet domain survey with specific information about the size of the network is published quarterly by the Information Sciences Institute (ISI). For more information, read RFC 1296 and/or see the pub/zone directory on ftp.nisc.sri.com (see Section 4.y below for information about FTP). 3. The TCP/IP Protocol Architecture Figure 1 shows many of the protocols and applications associated with the TCP/IP protocol suite. This diagram is not exhaustive, but shows the major components of most commercial TCP/IP software packages. 3.1. Underlying Data Link The TCP/IP protocols have been designed to operate over nearly any underlying local or wide area network technology. Although certain accommodations may need to be made, IP messages can be transported over all of the technologies shown in the figure, as well as numerous others. Two of the underlying data link protocols are particularly relevant to TCP/IP. The Serial Line IP Protocol (SLIP) [xx] and Point-to- Point Protocol (PPP) [xx] may be used in leased line or dial-up environments. Most commercial TCP/IP software packages for PC-class systems include these two protocols. SLIP and/or PPP provide a mechanism to transport IP messages over and above the physical layer procedures provided by the modems. --------+-----+------+-----+------+------- Application |Telnet | FTP | SMTP | DNS | SNMP | Ping | |-------+-----+------+-----+------+------- Transport | TCP | UDP | | |--------------------------+------| ICMP | | | | Network |-----+------+----- IP |------| | ARP | OSPF |RIP | | ------+--+---+-+--+-+----+----+----+----- Underlying |Ethernet|Frame|FDDI|X.25|SMDS|ATM |SLIP/| Data Link | |Relay| | | | |PPP | ---------+-----+----+----+----+----+----- FIGURE 1. Simplified TCP/IP protocol stack. 3.2. The Network Layer The Internet Protocol, described in RFC xxxx [xx], provides services that are roughly equivalent to the OSI Network Layer. IP provides a datagram (connectionless) transport service across the network. IP datagrams contain a message, or one fragment of a message, that may be up to 65,535 bytes (octets) in length. 3.2.1. IP Addresses The most important aspect of IP to a typical end-user is the format and notation used for addressing. The general format of IP addresses is shown in Figure 2. IP addresses are 32 bits in length. They are always written as a sequence of four numbers, representing the decimal value of each of the four bytes. Since the values are separated by periods, the notation is referred to as "dotted decimal" format. A sample IP address is 132.198.1.7 (this address refers to a host computer at the University of Vermont). IP addresses are hierarchical and are subdivided into two subfields. The Network Identifier (NET ID) subfield identifies the TCP/IP subnetwork connected to the Internet. The NET ID is used for high- level routing between networks, much the same way as the country code, city code, or area code would be used in the telephone network. The Host Identifier (HOST ID) field indicates the specific host within a subnetwork. 1 2 3 0 8 6 4 1 +-+---------+-------+-------+-------+ Class A |0| NET ID | HOST ID | +-+-+-------+-------+---------------+ Class B |1|0| NET ID | HOST ID | +-+-+-+-------------+-------+-------+ Class C |1|1|0| NET ID |HOST ID| +-+-+-+---------------------+-------+ FIGURE 2. IP Address Format. To accommodate different size networks, IP defines several address classes, as shown in the figure. A Class A address has a 7-bit NET ID and 24-bit HOST ID. Class A addresses are intended for very large networks and can accommodate up to 16,777,214 attached hosts per subnet. Class A addresses will always start with a value between 0 and 127. A Class B address has a 14-bit NET ID and 16-bit HOST ID. Class B addresses are intended for moderate sized networks and can accommodate up to 65,536 attached hosts per subnet. Class B addresses will always start with a value between 128 and 191. A Class C address has a 21-bit NET ID and 8-bit HOST ID. These addresses are intended for very small networks and can accommodate only up to 128 attached hosts. Class C addresses will always start with a value between 192 and 255. Several values are reserved and have special meaning to IP and/or a network administrator. A HOST ID of 0 is a dummy value reserved only as a place holder when referring to a network; the address 10.0.0.0, for example, refers to the Class A address with a NET ID of 10 (this was the old ARPANET address). A HOST ID of all ones (denoted as "-1") refers to all hosts on a network. A NET ID value of 0/-1 is used for loopback testing. A final special case is that of "subnet masks." A network may "subdivide" their address space to define multiple logical networks by segmenting the HOST ID subfield into a Subnetwork Identifier (SUBNET ID) and (smaller) HOST ID. This is commonly done by Internet access service providers so that their assigned address space may be shared with their customers. Most end-users cannot determine whether a SUBNET ID is or is not being employed merely by examining the IP address. As of October 1993, 16,533 NET IDs have been assigned, a 120% increase since the previous October. There are 69 Class A addresses (a 33% increase), 3,849 Class B addresses (a 29% increases), and 12,615 Class C addresses (a 182% increase). Because of the tremendous growth in Internet users and the rigid format of IP addresses, the format and assignment of IP addresses will undoubtedly change in the next several years. The format described here, however, will remain commonly seen for sometime, however. 3.2.2. IP Domains and Host Names While IP addresses are all 32 bits in length, most users have not memorized the numeric addresses of the hosts to which they attach. Instead, people are more comfortable with host names. Most numeric IP addresses are associated with a host name. Host names, used by end-users, are translated to numeric addresses which are used for routing purposes. The host names have a hierarchical structure of host domains, subdomains, and host names. Host names and IP addresses are assigned and maintained by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA), which is responsible for the overall coordination and management of the Domain Name System (DNS). The DNS structure and delegation is described in RFC 1591 [ss]. All IP address names end with a top-level domain name. World-wide generic domains (although generally limited to the U.S.) include: - COM: Commercial entities - EDU: Educational institutions - NET: Network providers - ORG: Miscellaneous organizations - INT: Organizations established by international treaty - GOV: U.S. Federal government agencies - MIL: U.S. military The name SMCVAX.SMCVT.EDU, for example, is assigned to a VAX computer at St. Michael's College in Vermont; the address refers to the host named SMCVAX in the SMCVT subdomain within the educational domain. The name CHAMP.HILL.COM, as another example, refers to a host named CHAMP at the Hill Associates subdomain. The selection of host names is the subject of RFC 1178 (FYI 5). Other top-level domain names use the two-letter country codes defined in ISO standard 3166; examples include US, IL, ES, AU, and MX for the U.S., Israel, Spain, Australia, and Mexico, respectively. (See pub/zone/iso-country-codes on ftp.nisc.sri.com for a list of ISO 3166 country codes.) Different countries may organize the country-based subdomains in any way that they want. The US domain is organized on the basis of geography, using an address of the form ...US. The address "cnri.reston.va.us", for example, refers to the Corporation for National Research Initiatives located in Reston, Virginia. 3.2.3. ARP Early IP implementations ran on hosts commonly interconnected by Ethernet local area networks (LAN). Every transmission on the LAN contains the local network, or medium access control (MAC), address of the source and destination nodes. The MAC address is 48-bits in length and is non-hierarchical; MAC addresses are never the same as an IP address. When an IP host needs to send a datagram to another IP host, the application must know the address of both the sender and the intended receiver. Unfortunately, the IP process may not know the MAC address of the receiver. The Address Resolution Protocol (ARP), described in RFC xxxx [dd], provides a mechanism so that a host can determine a receiver's MAC address from the IP address. Other ARP-related procedures have also been defined, including Reverse ARP (RARP), which allows a disk-less processor to determine its IP address from its MAC address [xx] and Inverse ARP (InARP), which allows a mapping between IP address and virtual circuit identifiers [xx]. Other variations on ARP are also in various draft forms to accommodate the needs of large public data networks and non-broadcast data networks. 3.2.4. OSPF and RIP OSPF and RIP are the two major routing protocols associated with the Internet. The Routing Information Protocol [xx] describes how routers will exchange routing table information using a distance- vector algorithm. With RIP, neighboring routers exchange their entire routing table periodically. Current routing protocols for most of today's LANs are based upon RIP. The Open Shortest Path First protocol is a link state algorithm that is more robust than RIP, converges faster, requires less network bandwidth, and is able to better handle larger networks. With OSPF, a router broadcasts any changes in its links' status to the entire subnetwork. OSPF Version 2 (OSPFv2) [xx] is rapidly replacing RIP in the Internet and is also beginning to be deployed in some LANs. 3.2.5. ICMP The Internet Control Message Protocol [RFC xxxx] is an adjunct to IP that returns messages about abnormal events to the transmitter. The ICMP might indicate, for example, that an IP datagram cannot reach an intended destination or cannot connect to the requested service. 3.3. The Transport Layer The TCP/IP protocol suite comprises two protocols that correspond roughly to the OSI Transport and Session Layers; these protocols are called TCP and UDP. Individual applications are referred to by a port identifier in TCP/UDP messages. The port identifier and IP address, together, form a "socket." 3.3.1. TCP The Transmission Control Protocol, defined in RFC xxxx [xx], provides a virtual circuit (connection-oriented) service across the network. TCP includes rules for formatting messages, establishing and terminating virtual circuits, flow control, and error correction. Most of the TCP/IP applications operate over the reliable transport service provided by TCP. 3.3.2. UDP The User Datagram Protocol, defined in RFC wwww [xx], provides a datagram (connectionless) service. Some applications, such as those that involve a simple query and response, are better suited to the datagram service of UDP because there is no time lost to virtual circuit establishment and termination. UDP's primary function is to add a port number to the IP address to provide a "socket" for the application. 3.4. Applications The Application Layer protocols shown in Figure 2 are not a complete list of TCP/IP applications. However, the list does show many of the commonly available tools and provides a glimpse into the variety of utilities that are defined by TCP/IP. These applications include: Telnet: A virtual terminal protocol allowing a user logged on to one system to access another system on the network (see Section 4.x). FTP: The File Transfer Protocol, allowing a user to transfer files between a local and remote host computer (see Section 4.y). SMTP: The Simple Mail Transfer Protocol, the standard for Internet electronic mail (e-mail) (see Section 4.t). DNS: The Domain Name System, defining the structure of Internet names and their association with IP addresses (see Section 4.q). SNMP: The Simple Network Management Protocol, defining the procedures and information databases for managing network devices. SNMP is widely deployed in local and wide area network, and SNMP Version 2 (SNMPv2) [aa, bb, cc, dd] is slowly growing in popularity. Ping: A utility that allows a user at one system to determine the status of other hosts and the latency in getting a message to that host (see Section 4.a). Other utilities that are discussed below (but not shown in the figure) include WHOIS and KNOWBOT to search databases for Internet users (see Sections 4.e and 4.w), FINGER to determine the status of other hosts and/or users (see Section 4.k), and TRACEROUTE to determine the route that packets will take when traveling to a remote host (see Section 4.f). 3.5. Summary As this section has shown, "TCP/IP" is not merely a pair of communication protocols but a suite of protocols, applications, and utilities. Figure 3 shows the relationship between the various protocol layers of the TCP/IP suite. Applications and utilities (APP) reside in host systems. TCP provides a reliable, virtual circuit connection between the two hosts. (UDP, not shown, provides an end-to-end datagram connection over IP.) IP provides a datagram (DG) transport service over any intervening subnetworks, including local and wide area networks. The underlying subnetwork may employ nearly any common local or wide area network technology. Note that the term "gateway" is used for the device interconnecting the two subnets, a device more commonly called a "router". In OSI terminology, a gateway would be used to provide protocol conversion between two networks. A large number of books have been written that describe all aspects of TCP/IP as a protocol suite, including detailed information about use and implementation of the protocols. Readers are referred to [Comer, Feit, Black]. A brief TCP/IP tutorial can also be found in RFC xxxx [ee]. ---------------- ---------------- | Application |<----- end-to-end connection ----->| Application | ---------------- ---------------- | TCP |<-------- virtual circuit -------->| TCP | ---------------- ------------------- ---------------- | IP |<- DG ->| IP |<- DG ->| IP | ---------------- ------------------- ---------------- | Subnetwork 1 |<------>|Subnet 1|Subnet 2|<------>| Subnetwork 2 | ---------------- ------------------- ---------------- HOST GATEWAY HOST FIGURE 3. TCP/IP protocol suite architecture. 3.6. The Internet and TCP/IP Why all of this explanation about TCP/IP? Because regardless of what definition of the "Internet" that you subscribe to, the one consistent thing is that all hosts directly attached to the Internet use TCP/IP. At one time, this also implied that the UNIX operating system was employed, but TCP/IP software is increasingly being made available for non-UNIX hosts (including Digital and IBM mainframes, as well as Mac, DOS, OS/2, and Windows PC platforms). This document is based upon the premise that "access to the Internet" means more than just electronic mail. For this guide, "access to the Internet" means access to the complete suite of TCP/IP tools and utilities, including some or all of the ones listed above. There are a number of ways in which users can access the Internet, either as an individual or a company over dial-up or leased lines through a regional or national Internet access provider. This RFC will not suggest any particular method nor carrier; this will not be an issue for most end-users anyway. There are a variety of lists available that identify the different access providers; an on-line list is available via Gopher at rs.internic.net (see Section 4.s for a description of Gopher). 4. A Starter's Guide to Some of the Utilities and Applications This section provides detailed descriptions and examples of several TCP/IP utilities and applications. The descriptions include examples of actual use of these utilities, with some extraneous information removed. While the reader can use these examples as a guide to using and learning about the capabilities of these tools, the reader should understand that not all applications may be found in all commercial software packages. Furthermore, the user interface for different packages will be different. In the sections below, any option or parameter shown in square brackets ([]) is optional, and the vertical-bar (|) means "or". 4.1. NSLOOKUP NSLOOKUP is the name server lookup program that comes with many TCP/IP systems. With NSLOOKUP, a user can determine a host system's IP address from its name or its name from the IP address. The application is initiated by typing "NSLOOKUP" from the command line. The program displays the name and address of this system's default name sever, as well as the actual name server used to resolve each request. Three queries are performed in the example below: 1 Requests the address of the host named "emily.uvm.edu", a system at the University of Vermont (UVM). As it turns out, this is not the true name of the host, but a shortened version of the name that is accepted as an alias by the network. The full name of the host and the IP address are listed by NSLOOKUP. 2 Requests the address of host "emily.emba.uvm.edu". This is, of course, the same address as in the first query, but note that NSLOOKUP provides a "non-authoritative" answer. Since NSLOOKUP just queried this same address, the information is still in its cache memory; therefore, rather than send additional messages to the name server, we get an answer that it remembers from before. Since we didn't look up the information again, it is not guaranteed to still be accurate (because the information might have changed within the last few milliseconds!). 3 Requests the name of the host with the given IP address. The result points to the Australian Internet gateway, munnari.oz.au. Exit is used to quit the NSLOOKUP application. ===================================================================== SMCVAX$ NSLOOKUP Default Server: LOCALHOST Address: 127.0.0.1 > EMILY.UVM.EDU Server: LOCALHOST Address: 127.0.0.1 Name: emily.emba.uvm.edu Address: 132.198.1.7 Aliases: emily.uvm.edu > EMILY.EMBA.UVM.EDU Server: LOCALHOST Address: 127.0.0.1 Non-authoritative answer: Name: emily.emba.uvm.edu Address: 132.198.1.7 > 128.250.1.21 Server: LOCALHOST Address: 127.0.0.1 Name: munnari.OZ.AU Address: 128.250.1.21 > EXIT SMCVAX$ ===================================================================== 4.2. PING Ping is probably the most widely available tool available on TCP/IP systems and uses ICMP Echo messages. The Ping command has the following general format: ping [-s] host_name [size] [quantity] In the first test below, we ping the host "thumper.bellcore.com" to determine whether it is up and running. This simple use of the command contains no optional parameters. In the second test, we use the "-s" parameter to tell our system to send an ICMP Echo message every second. The optional "size" parameter specifies that message should be 64 bytes in length (which is the default size); the optional "quantity" parameter indicates that this test will only send 12 messages (the default is to run the test continuously until interrupted). The results of the second test list the round-trip delay each Echo message that is returned to the sending host. At the end of the test, summary statistics are displayed. ===================================================================== SMCVAX$ PING THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM thumper.bellcore.com is alive SMCVAX$ PING -S THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM 64 12 PING THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (128.96.41.1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 128.96.41.1: icmp_seq=0 time=150 ms 64 bytes from 128.96.41.1: icmp_seq=1 time=110 ms 64 bytes from 128.96.41.1: icmp_seq=2 time=130 ms 64 bytes from 128.96.41.1: icmp_seq=3 time=130 ms 64 bytes from 128.96.41.1: icmp_seq=4 time=320 ms 64 bytes from 128.96.41.1: icmp_seq=5 time=110 ms 64 bytes from 128.96.41.1: icmp_seq=6 time=440 ms 64 bytes from 128.96.41.1: icmp_seq=7 time=90 ms 64 bytes from 128.96.41.1: icmp_seq=9 time=100 ms 64 bytes from 128.96.41.1: icmp_seq=10 time=110 ms ----THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM PING Statistics---- 12 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 16% packet loss round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 90/169/440 SMCVAX$ ===================================================================== 4.3. TRACEROUTE Traceroute is another common TCP/IP tool, this one allowing users to learn about the route that packets take from your system to a remote system. It is sometimes packaged as part of the Ping command since Traceroute also uses ICMP messages. Traceroute works by sending a sequence of UDP datagrams to an invalid port at the desired remote system. Using the default settings, three datagrams are sent, each with a Time-To-Live (TTL) field value set to one. The TTL value of 1 causes the datagram to "timeout" as soon as it hits the first router in the path; this router will then respond with an ICMP message reporting that the datagram has expired. Another three UDP messages are now sent, each with the TTL value set to 2, which causes the second router to return ICMP replies. This process continues until we actually reach the other destination. Since the datagrams are trying to access an invalid port at the destination host, however, ICMP messages are returned from the destination indicating this condition; this event signals the Traceroute program that it is done! Note that the delay associated with the first message is usually longer than the two subsequent messages; this may be due to the use of the Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) to determine the route for the first message. The Traceroute command has the following general format (where "#" represents a positive integer value associated with the qualifier): traceroute [-m #] [-q #] [-w #] [-p #] where -m is the maximum lifetime of the UDP packets, measured in the number of hops allowed before the program terminates (default = 30) -q is the number of UDP packets that will be sent with each time-to-live setting (default = 3) -w is the amount of time, in seconds, to wait for an answer from a particular router before giving up (default = 5) -p is the invalid port address at the remote host (default = 33434) As an interest aside, traceroute did not begin life as a general- purpose utility, but as a quick-and-dirty debugging aid while looking for a routing problem. The code (complete with comments!) is available by anonymous FTP in the file "traceroute.tar.Z" from the host "ftp.ee.lbl.gov". The example below has some interesting points: 1 NEARnet is the New England Academic and Research Network, a regional network in the northeastern U.S. This traceroute was run from a host at St. Michael's College in Vermont (smcvax), and the route ran from St. Mike's NEARnet gateway (smc-gw) to the University of Vermont (uvm), etc. Note that some hosts (see lines 4 and 16) do not have names associated with them. 2 From NEARnet (lines 1-6), the datagrams traveled on the NSFNET's T3 backbone (lines 7-11); note that the NSFNET backbone is identified as ans.net since Advanced Networks and Services, Inc. (ANS) operates the NSFNET backbone. The packet traveled within ANS' networks on their core network switching systems (designated "cnss") until it was ready to jump off the backbone; line 11 indicates an ANS end node switching system ("enss"). From the NSFNET backbone, the datagrams jumped onto the JvNCnet (lines 12- 16), a regional network in New Jersey (note the use of SMDS!). Finally, the datagrams are placed on Bellcore's internal network (lines 17 and 18) for final delivery. 3 Note that not all of the datagrams took the same route. In particular, only two of the datagrams went through the ANS gateway referred to at line 10. Note also line 17; here, the first two datagrams went through one router at Bellcore, while the third datagram went through a companion router. An alternative form of traceroute using an IP option is described in RFC 1393 [cc]. ===================================================================== SMCVAX$ TRACEROUTE THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM traceroute to THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (128.96.41.1), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 smc-gw.near.net (192.80.64.5) 50 ms 20 ms 10 ms 2 uvm-gw.near.net (131.192.152.1) 160 ms 50 ms 30 ms 3 harvard-gw.near.net (131.192.65.1) 470 ms 60 ms 60 ms 4 131.192.32.3 (131.192.32.3) 50 ms 50 ms 40 ms 5 mit2-gw.near.net (131.192.7.1) 50 ms 40 ms 40 ms 6 enss.near.net (192.54.222.6) 60 ms 90 ms 40 ms 7 t3-2.Hartford-cnss49.t3.ans.net (140.222.49.3) 70 ms 100 ms 60 ms 8 t3-3.Hartford-cnss48.t3.ans.net (140.222.48.4) 70 ms 40 ms 40 ms 9 t3-2.New-York-cnss32.t3.ans.net (140.222.32.3) 50 ms 60 ms 70 ms 10 * t3-0.New-York-cnss33.t3.ans.net (140.222.33.1) 340 ms 110 ms 11 t3-0.enss137.t3.ans.net (140.222.137.1) 90 ms 420 ms 190 ms 12 zaphod-gateway.jvnc.net (192.12.211.65) 70 ms 50 ms 70 ms 13 airport1-gateway.jvnc.net (130.94.6.250) 390 ms 110 ms 60 ms 14 airport4-gateway.jvnc.net (130.94.7.4) 70 ms 50 ms 60 ms 15 coreSMDS-gateway.jvnc.net (130.94.7.106) 80 ms 130 ms 100 ms 16 128.96.58.2 (128.96.58.2) 80 ms 70 ms 100 ms 17 lab214b-cisco.cc.bellcore.com (128.96.34.40) 120 ms 120 ms lab214-cisco.cc.bellcore.com (128.96.34.101) 130 ms 18 thumper.bellcore.com (128.96.41.1) 130 ms 430 ms 80 ms SMCVAX$ ===================================================================== 4.4. FINGER The Finger command may be used to find out who is logged in on another system or to find out detailed information about a specific user. The Finger User Information Protocol is described in RFC 1288 [pp]. The first example below shows the result of fingering an individual user at a remote system. The first line of the response shows the username, the user's real name, their process identifier, application, and terminal port number. The remaining information is supplied at the option of the user in a file called PLAN.TXT that resides in their personal directory. The second example shows the result of fingering a remote system; note the user of the @-sign before the host name. This lists all of the processes currently running at the fingered system. ===================================================================== hill> FINGER KUMQUAT@SMCVAX.SMCVT.EDU [smcvax.smcvt.edu] KUMQUAT Gary Kessler 20A02991 TELNET TXA3 Plan: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary C. Kessler Adjunct Faculty Member, Graduate College Senior Member of Technical Staff Hill Associates +1 802-655-8633 or 655-0940 (office) 17 Roosevelt Highway +1 802-655-7974 (fax) Colchester, VT 05446 +1 802-879-5242 (home) INTERNET: kumquat@smcvax.smcvt.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------- hill> FINGER @SMCVAX.SMCVT.EDU [smcvax.smcvt.edu] Tuesday, March 15, 1994 2:52PM-EDT Up 3 19:55:51 10+0 Jobs on SMCVAX Load ave 2.12 1.54 1.53 User Personal Name Subsys DAMERON George Dameron *DCL* GOODWIN Dave Goodwin RTPAD JAT John Trono EDT KUMQUAT Gary Kessler TELNET LEAHEY Margy Leahey MAIL NELSON Mark Nelson *DCL* SUOZZI Patricia Suozzi MAIL SYSTEM System Manager *DCL* S_BRIDGE Stephen Bridge *DCL* X_DONG Xiaofan Dong TALK hill> ===================================================================== 4.5. FTP The File Transfer Protocol (FTP) [tt] is one of the most useful and powerful TCP/IP applications for the general user. FTP allows users to upload and download files between local and remote hosts. Anonymous FTP, in particular, is commonly available at file archive sites to allow users to access files without having to have an account already established at the host. FTP can be initiated in several ways. In the example shown here, an FTP control connection is initiated to a host by using the command "FTP host_name". Optionally, the host's IP address (in dotted decimal form) could be used instead of the host's name. A third alternative would have been to start the FTP application by using only the command "FTP"; the connection to the host could be initiated by typing the host_name, "OPEN host_name", or "OPEN IP_address". The remote host will now ask for a username and password. If a username and password are supplied that identify a legitimate user of this host, the user will have access to any files to which this username has privilege. For anonymous FTP access, the username "anonymous" is used and the password (not shown) is "guest" (most systems ask that anonymous FTP users supply their Internet address as the password). The first command issued in the example below is "help ?", used to obtain a list of available FTP commands. Although not always shown, nearly all TCP/IP applications have a help command. The next command, "cd", is used to change to another directory, in this case the "atm" directory. As in DOS, "cd .." will change to the parent of the current directory. The "CWD command successful" is the only indication that the user's command was correctly executed; most FTP implementations do not indicate the current directory path. The "dir" command provides a directory listing of the files in the current directory. Note that a second FTP data transfer connection is established for the transfer of the information to the local host. The output from the "dir" command will show a file listing that is consistent with the native operating system of the remote host. Although the TCP/IP suite is often associated with UNIX, it can (and does) run on nearly all common operating systems. The directory information shown in the sample dialogue is in UNIX format and includes: o File attributes. The first character identifies this as a directory (d), link (l), or individual file (-). The next nine characters list the file access permissions for three groups; namely, the file's owner, the owner's group, and all other users. Three access privileges may be assigned for each of these three groups: read (r), write (w), execute (x), and/or search (s). o File owner and owner's group. o File size, in bytes. o Date of last modification. If the date is followed by a timestamp, then the date is from the current year. o File name. After the directory information has been transferred, FTP closes the data transfer connection. another "cd" command is used to move to the "itu" directory, where we issue another "dir" command to find all files starting with the characters "QSAAL"; note the use of the "*" wildcard character. We can now copy the file of choice by using the "get" command, which has the following general format: GET remote_file_name local_file_name FTP opens another data transfer connection for this file transfer purpose; note that the effective data transfer rate is 13.25 kbps. While the "get" command allows the downloading of files from a remote system to a local one; FTP's "put" command allows uploading from the local host to the remote. "Put" is typically not available when using anonymous FTP. Finally, we close the FTP connection using the "quit" command. FTP is described in detail in most of the TCP/IP references mentioned above. ===================================================================== SMCVAX$ FTP DATANET.TELE.FI SMCVAX.SMCVT.EDU MultiNet FTP user process 3.2(106) Connection opened (Assuming 8-bit connections) HELP ? Commands may be one of the following: ACCOUNT AGET APPEND APUT ASCII ATTACH BELL BINARY BYE BYTE CD CDUP CLOSE CONFIRM CPATH CREATE-DIRECTORY CWD DELETE DIRECTORY DISCONNECT EXIT EXIT-ON-ERROR GET HASH HELP LCD LDIR LOCAL-CD LOCAL-DIRECTORY LOCAL-PWD LOGIN LPWD LS MDELETE MGET MKDIR MODE MPUT MULTIPLE PASSWORD PORT PROMPT-FOR-MISSING-ARGUMENTS PROMPT-ON-CONNECT PUSH PUT PWD QUIT QUOTE RECEIVE REMOTE-HELP REMOVE-DIRECTORY RENAME RETAIN RM RMDIR SEND SHOW-DIRECTORY SITE SPAWN STATISTICS STATUS STREAM STRUCTURE TAKE TENEX TYPE USER VERBOSE VERSION DATANET.TELE.FI> CD ATM DIR CD ITU DIR QSAAL* GET QSAAL0.ps.Z Q_SAAL_0.PS QUIT DIR total 1682 drwx------ hill others 512 Dec 10 1992 Mail/ -rw------- hill others 22382 Apr 26 07:33 dos-cdev-12.hqx drwx------ hill others 512 Jul 11 16:09 gary/ drwx------ hill others 512 Dec 10 1992 itu/ -rw------- hill others 1805 Feb 5 13:42 mbox drwx------ hill others 1024 Dec 15 1992 misc/ -rw------- hill others 87754 Apr 26 12:56 osinet.2 -rw------- hill others 566731 May 14 08:10 quicktime-16.hqx -rw------- hill others 128858 May 13 08:12 res-edit-tips.hqx -rw------- hill others 110610 May 13 08:12 res-helper.hqx drwx------ hill others 5632 Apr 23 08:51 rfc/ drwx------ hill others 512 Apr 16 09:15 xmodem/ drwx------ hill others 1024 Apr 13 16:35 zmodem/ hill> MAIL No mail for hill hill> PING SMCVAX.SMCVT.EDU smcvax.smcvt.edu is alive hill> LOGOUT Connection closed by Foreign Host SMCVAX$ ===================================================================== 4.7. User Database Lookup Tools 4.7.1. WHOIS/NICNAME WHOIS and NICNAME are TCP/IP applications that search databases to find the name of network and system administrators, RFC authors, system and network points-of-contact, and other individuals who are registered in appropriate databases. RFC 954 [tt] describes the original NICNAME/WHOIS protocol. WHOIS may be accessed by TELNETing to an appropriate WHOIS server, the most common one being at the Internet Network Information Center (InterNIC) at rs.internic.net (or nic.ddn.mil for the MILNET). This specific database, in particular, only contains INTERNET domains, IP network numbers, and points of contact; policies governing the InterNIC database are described in RFC 1400 [uu]. The MilNet database resides at NIC.DDN.MIL and PSI's White Pages service is located at psi.com. Optionally, many software packages contain a WHOIS interface that automatically establishes the TELNET connection to an appropriate server. The accompanying dialogues shows both types of WHOIS access. In the session below, we request information about an individual (Denis Stratford), a specific domain (smcvt.edu), and a high level domain (edu). ============================================================== SMCVAX$ WHOIS STRATFORD, DENIS Stratford, Denis (DS378) denis@@SMCVAX.SMCVT.EDU St. Michael's College Jemery Hall, Room 274 Winooski Park Colchester, VT 05439 (802) 654-2384 Record last updated on 02-Nov-92. SMCVAX$ WHOIS DOMAIN SMCVT.EDU St. Michael's College (SMCVT-DOM) Winooski Park Colchester, VT 05439 Domain Name: SMCVT.EDU Administrative Contact: Stratford, Denis (DS378) denis@@SMCVAX.SMCVT.EDU (802) 654-2384 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Goodwin, David (DG176) goodwin@SMCVAX.SMCVT.EDU (802) 654-2220 Record last updated on 02-Nov-92. Domain servers in listed order: NIC.NEAR.NET 192.52.71.4 BU.EDU 128.197.27.7 NOC.CERF.NET 192.153.156.22 SMCVAX$ TELNET RS.INTERNIC.NET Trying... Connected to RS.INTERNIC.NET, a SUN 670 running SUNOS-4.1.3 SunOS UNIX (rs) (ttyq0) ********************************************************************* * -- InterNIC Registration Services Center -- ********************************************************************* Cmdinter Ver 1.3 Mon Mar 21 13:42:27 1994 EST [vt102] InterNIC > WHOIS Connecting to the rs Database . . . . . . Connected to the rs Database InterNIC WHOIS Version: 1.0 Mon, 21 Mar 94 13:42:32 Whois: DOMAIN EDU Education top-level domain (EDU-DOM) Network Solutions, Inc. 505 Huntmar park Dr. Herndon, VA 22070 Domain Name: EDU Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Network Solutions, Inc. (HOSTMASTER) HOSTMASTER@INTERNIC.NET (703) 742-4777 (FAX) (703) 742-4811 Record last updated on 06-Jul-93. Domain servers in listed order: NS.INTERNIC.NET 198.41.0.4 AOS.ARL.ARMY.MIL 128.63.4.82, 192.5.25.82 KAVA.NISC.SRI.COM 192.33.33.24 C.NYSER.NET 192.33.4.12 TERP.UMD.EDU 128.8.10.90 NS.NASA.GOV 128.102.16.10, 192.52.195.10 NIC.NORDU.NET 192.36.148.17 NS.NIC.DDN.MIL 192.112.36.4 Would you like to see the known domains under this top-level domain? Y There are 1419 known sub-domains: 0.EDU Reserved Domain 1.EDU Reserved Domain 2.EDU Reserved Domain 22CF.EDU 22nd Century Foundation 3.EDU Reserved Domain There are 1414 more matches. Show them? N Whois: EXIT [vt102] InterNIC > QUIT Mon Mar 21 13:43:08 1994 EST Connection closed by Foreign Host SMCVAX$ ============================================================== 4.7.2. KNOWBOT KNOWBOT is an automated search tool that is related to WHOIS. The Knowbot Information Service (KIS) provides a simple WHOIS-like interface that allows users to query a number of Internet user databases (White Pages services) all at one time. A single KIS query will automatically search the InterNIC, MILNET, MCImail, and PSI White Pages Pilot Project; other databases may also be included. KNOWBOT may be accessed by TELNETing to port 185 on hosts info.cnri.reston.va.us or sol.bucknell.edu. The "help" command will supply sufficient information to get anyone started; merely entering a user name will automatically start a search through the default set of Internet databases. ============================================================== SMCVAX$ TELNET INFO.CNRI.RESTON.VA.US /PORT=185 Trying... Connected to INFO.CNRI.RESTON.VA.US, a SUN4/110 running UNIX. Knowbot Information Service KIS Client (V2.0). Copyright CNRI 1990. All Rights Reserved. > HELP KIS (Telnet) Handy Reference: These are the commands: ----------------------- service SERVICE_NAME [SERVICE_NAME ...] service NUMBER [NUMBER ...] -- Add the specified service to the list of resources to search number should come from the menu list that the "services" command generates. services -- Lists the services KIS knows. org ORGANIZATION country COUNTRY -- Restrict the search to persons that work in a specific organization or live in a specific country. If there is no argument, this will turn off any setting you made earlier. echo on | off -- If on, KIS shows you exactly what commands the server is executing. By default this is off. ident service-specific-identifier -- Some services assign keywords (handles) to individuals in their database. This causes a search for a handle. If you leave the argument blank, it will turn the handle choice off. print -- Shows the current name, organization, services, etc. that you have chosen to this point. query USERNAME -- Search for someone with the name (or email address) given here. The name may contain a first, middle and last name. See the examples at the end of this note. help (or ?) -- Print this handy reference. man -- Print the manual page entry. news -- Print version info and other useful facts about KIS. set lines [N] -- With integer argument 'N': Display N lines of text before prompting for a carriage return. -- With integer argument '0': Display all lines of text. -- Without the integer argument: Print the number of lines now being displayed before a prompt. unset lines -- Reset the number of lines displayed to the default (20). gripe -- Log complaints or compliments about the KIS service quit exit -- Exeunt. A word on user names: Anything similar to these will work fine--- Jones John Jones Jones, John Jones, J. John..., John -- will match John Johnson, John Johnsonovich, John Johns, etc. Avoid titles (Dr. John Jones, Jr.): we can't handle those yet. > QUIT KIS exiting Connection closed by Foreign Host SMCVAX$ ============================================================== 4.9. Information Servers 4.9.1. ARCHIE Archie is a database server, originally developed at the Computer Science Department of McGill University in Montreal. Its intent is to allow users to find documents and software that reside at open file transfer sites and have been registered with Archie; by early 1994, more than three million files at 1,500 locations had been registered. This program has become so popular that many sites now provide the Archie service. Before using Archie, you must identify an appropriate server location. The sites below all support Archie, and there may be more; most (but not all) Archie sites support the "servers" command which lists all known Archie servers. Due to the popularity of Archie, and its high processing demands, most sites limit access to non-peak hours and/or limit the number of simultaneous Archie users. Available Archie sites include: archie.au* 139.130.4.6 Australia archie.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at* 140.78.3.8 Austria archie.univie.ac.at* 131.130.1.23 Austria archie.uqam.ca* 132.208.250.10 Canada archie.funet.fi 128.214.6.100 Finland archie.th-darmstadt.de* 130.83.22.60 Germany archie.ac.il* 132.65.6.15 Israel archie.unipi.it* 131.114.21.10 Italy archie.wide.ad.jp 133.4.3.6 Japan archie.hana.nm.kr* 128.134.1.1 Korea archie.sogang.ac.kr* 163.239.1.11 Korea archie.uninett.no* 128.39.2.20 Norway archie.rediris.es* 130.206.1.2 Spain archie.luth.se* 130.240.18.4 Sweden archie.switch.ch* 130.59.1.40 Switzerland archie.ncu.edu.tw* 140.115.19.24 Taiwan archie.doc.ic.ac.uk* 146.169.11.3 United Kingdom archie.unl.edu 129.93.1.14 USA (NE) archie.internic.net* 198.48.45.10 USA (NJ) archie.rutgers.edu* 128.6.18.15 USA (NJ) archie.ans.net 147.225.1.10 USA (NY) archie.sura.net* 128.167.254.179 USA (MD) Note: Sites marked with an asterisk "*" run archie version 3.0. Archie servers may be accessed using TELNET, although some software packages now supply an Archie interface that hides this step. When using TELNET, the login name is "archie" and no password is required. The "help" command assists users in obtaining more information about using Archie. Two more useful Archie commands are "prog", used to search for files in the database, and "whatis", which searches for keywords in the program descriptions. In the accompanying dialogue, the "set maxhits" command is used to limit the number of responses to any following "prog" commands; if this is not done, the user may get an enormous amount of information! In this example, the user issues a request to find entries related to "mpeg", ISO's Moving Pictures Experts Group video compression algorithm. The first two responses indicate a directory named mpeg at academic sites in Australia (...edu.au). The next three responses show other directories with this name at sites in Sweden (...se). Armed with this information, a user can use anonymous FTP to examine these directories and download files. The next request is for files with "security" as a keyword descriptor. These responses can be used for subsequent "prog" commands. Exit archie using the "exit" command. At this point, TELNET closes the connection and control returns to the local host. Current information about Archie can be obtained by sending e-mail to Bunyip Information Systems in Canada (archie-info@bunyip.com). ===================================================================== SMCVAX$ TELNET 129.93.1.14 Trying... Connected. SunOS UNIX (crcnis2) login: ARCHIE Last login: Tue Jul 13 15:08:23 from pike.st.usm.edu SunOS Release 4.1.2 (CRCNIS2) #1: Wed Dec 16 12:10:12 EST 1992 Welcome to the ARCHIE server at the University of Nebraska - Lincoln unl-archie> HELP Currently, the available help topics are: about - a blurb about archie bugs - known bugs and undesirable features bye - same as "quit" email - how to contact the archie email interface exit - same as "quit" help - this message list - list the sites in the archie database mail - mail output to a user nopager - *** use 'unset pager' instead pager - *** use 'set pager' instead prog - search the database for a file quit - exit archie set - set a variable show - display the value of a variable site - list the files at an archive site term - *** use 'set term ...' instead unset - unset a variable whatis - search for keyword in the software description database For information on one of these topics type: help unl-archie> SET MAXHITS 5 unl-archie> PROG MPEG # matches / % database searched: 5 / 0% Host csc.canberra.edu.au Location: /pub/motif DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Dec 4 03:55 mpeg Host daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au Location: /pub/images DIRECTORY drwxrwxr-x 512 Nov 30 16:44 mpeg Host ftp.luth.se Location: /pub/graphics/animation DIRECTORY drwxrwxr-x 1536 Jul 24 1993 mpeg Host ftp.sunet.se Location: /pub/graphics DIRECTORY drwxrwxr-x 1024 Dec 11 04:36 mpeg Host maeglin.mt.luth.se Location: /CSCW/multimedia DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Oct 5 15:23 mpeg unl-archie> WHATIS SECURITY RFC 1037 Greenberg, B.; Keene, S. NFILE - a file access protocol. 1987 December; 86 p. RFC 1038 St. Johns, M. Draft revised IP security option. 1988 January; 7 p. cops System Security analysis tool forktest Find security holes in shell-escapes kerberos Host security package safe-mkdir mkdir() and security hole *****FIX**** unl-archie> EXIT Connection closed by Foreign Host SMCVAX$ ===================================================================== 4.9.2. GOPHER Gopher is a distributed document search and retrieval protocol for the Internet. The Internet Gopher protocol was developed by the Microcomputer Center at the University of Minnesota in 1991 and is described in RFC 1436 [qq]. Gopher uses a text-based interface. Its hierarchical menu-oriented system takes you deeper and deeper into the system! Users can access Gopher by TELNETing to any valid Gopher location, the number of which is growing rapidly. As shown in the dialogue below, most Gopher sites have a menu item that will allow you to identify other Gopher sites. Login with the username "gopher"; no password is required. At this point, the user merely follows the prompts. Initially, the main menu will appear; selecting item 1 causes Gopher to seize the "Information about Gopher" menu. This menu also has sub-menus, which are not shown here. To quit the program at any time, press the "q" key; "?" and "u" will provide help or go back up to the previous menu, respectively. Further information about Gopher can be obtained by contacting the Internet Gopher Team at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis (gopher@boombox.micro.umn.edu). A Gopher-related discussion list is maintained at gopher-news@boombox.micro.umn.edu (see Section 4.1z for information on subscribing to discussion lists). The Gopher server at is.internic.net has a tremendous amount of information for the new user, including lists of frequently asked questions and discussion lists.... ===================================================================== SMCVAX$ TELNET SMCVAX.SMCVT.EDU MultiNet TELNET-32 3.1(88) TELNET> CONSULTANT.MICRO.UMN.EDU Trying... Connected to HAFNHAF.MICRO.UMN.EDU. IBM AIX Version 3 for RISC System/6000 (C) Copyrights by IBM and by others 1982, 1991. login: GOPHER Receiving Directory... Retrieving Directory Root gopher server: gopher.tc.umn.edu --> 1. Information About Gopher 2. Computer Information 3. Internet file server (ftp) sites 4. Fun & Games 5. Libraries 6. Mailing Lists 7. News 8. Other Gopher and Information Servers 9. Phone Books 10. Search Gopher Titles at the University of Minnesota 11. Search lots of places at the U of M 12. UofM Campus Information Press ? for Help, q to Quit, u to go up a menu 1 Receiving Directory... Retrieving Directory Information About Gopher --> 1. About Gopher. 2. Search Gopher News 3. Gopher News Archive 4. comp.infosystems.gopher (USENET newsgroup) 5. Gopher Software Distribution 6. Gopher Protocol Information 7. University of Minnesota Gopher software licensing policy. 8. Frequently Asked Questions about Gopher. 9. Gopher+ example server 10. How to get your information into Gopher. 11. New Stuff in Gopher. 12. Reporting Problems or Feedback. 13. big Ann Arbor gopher conference picture.gif Press ? for Help, q to Quit, u to go up a menu q Really quit (y/n)? Y Connection closed by Foreign Host TELNET> EXIT SMCVAX$ ===================================================================== 4.9.3. Other Information Servers There are a number of other information servers that are growing in popularity and use, although Archie and Gopher remain the two premier information access and retrieval tools. Archie and Gopher are primarily used for the indexing of text-based files. The World Wide Web (WWW or W3) Project is designed to combine aspects of information retrieval with multimedia communications. The WWW Project is intended to allow users to access information in many different types of formats, including text and image. WWW sources and information may be accessed via anonymous FTP from the /pub/WWW directory at info.cern.ch. More information about the project can be obtained from Tim Berners-Lee at CERN in Switzerland (timbl@www3.cern.ch). The Wide Area Information Server (WAIS, pronounced "ways") was initiated as a joint venture between Apple Computer, Dow Jones, and KMPG Peat Marwick, and Thinking Machines Corp. WAIS provides a single interface through which a user can access many different information databases. The user interface allow a query to be formulated in English and the WAIS server will automatically choose the appropriate databases to search. Further information about WAIS can be obtained from Brewster Kahle at Thinking Machines Corp. in Menlo Park, CA (brewster@think.com). SDS -- What about Mosaic, Veronica, Jughead? 4.10. ELECTRONIC MAIL AND SMTP Electronic mail, or e-mail, is the biggest single use of the Internet. The Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP) [ww] is the mail transfer application used across TCP/IP-based networks, although most users never use SMTP directly; instead they use their host system's native mail application, which uses SMTP services. Because most end users do not directly use SMTP and they do not usually write their own SMTP gateway software, this section describes SMTP only for completeness and to compare SMTP to some MAIL software. Native SMTP is neither easy to use, intuitive, nor fast. It is, on the other hand, simple and does provide the majority of the basic mail services that users demand. In the dialogue below, user KUMQUAT at host SMCVAX wants to send mail to user HILL at host EMILY. SMTP at EMILY is accessed by opening a TELNET connection, specifying TCP/IP port 25, a port that is always associated with the SMTP application. Note that after TELNETing to port 25, EMILY completes the connection without requesting a login or password. SMTP's HELO command is used to tell EMILY which host is accessing it; EMILY responds politely, as do most SMTP hosts! We are now ready to send mail. The sender uses the MAIL FROM: command to identify themselves. The RCPT TO: command is used to identify the intended recipient; any number of intended receivers may be specified, and SMTP will verify whether the specified users are known or not. Note that these commands require that the user identifier be placed within angle brackets (<>). When ready to send the message, the command DATA is used. The sender signals the end of the message by typing a line that contains nothing but a period (.). The user could now send more messages or exit SMTP using QUIT. After using SMTP, a similar message is sent using the local host systems native e-mail for comparison purposes only. Users interested in more information about e-mail may want to read [ww]. ===================================================================== SMCVAX$ TELNET EMILY.UVM.EDU /PORT=25 Trying... Connected to EMILY.EMBA.UVM.EDU. 220 emily.emba.uvm.edu Sendmail 5.65/1.07 ready at Mon, 21 Mar 1994 17:38:54 -0400 HELO SMCVAX.SMCVT.EDU 250 Hello smcvax.smcvt.edu, pleased to meet you MAIL FROM: 250 ... Sender ok RCPT TO: 250 ... Recipient ok DATA 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself HI. YES, TELNET AND SMTP SEEM OK NOW. THANKS... /KESS . 250 Ok QUIT 221 emily.emba.uvm.edu closing connection Connection closed by Foreign Host SMCVAX$ MAIL MAIL> SEND To: IN%"HILL@EMILY.UVM.EDU" Subj: CONNECTION STATUS... Enter your message below. Press CTRL/Z when complete, CTRL/C to quit: HI. YES, TELNET AND SMTP SEEM OK NOW. (#2) THANKS... /KESS ^Z Exit MAIL> EXIT SMCVAX$ ===================================================================== 4.11 Getting even more information on-line... 4.11.1 Distribution lists and mailing lists *********INCOMPLETE********* 4.11.2. RFCs To fully understand what is going on within the Internet community, users must be able to obtain Requests for Comments, or RFCs. RFCs are the body of literature comprising Internet protocols, standards, research questions, humor (especially those dated 1 April), and general information. Each RFC is uniquely issued a 4-digit number which is never reused or reissued; if a document is revised, it is given a new RFC number and the old RFC is said to be "obsoleted." Announcements are sent whenever a new RFC is issued; users may join this list by sending e-mail to rfc-request@nic.ddn.mil. RFCs may be obtained through the mail, but it is easier and faster to get them on-line. RFC-INFO is an e-mail-based service to help users locate and retrieve RFCs, Internet Monthly Reports, and FYI documents. To use the service, send e-mail to rfc-info@isi.edu AND leave the Subject line blank. Commands go in the main body of the message: HELP (Help file) RETRIEVE: RFC Doc-ID: RFCxxxx (Retrieve RFC xxxx) LIST: RFC (List all RFCs...) [options] (...[matching the following options]) KEYWORDS: xxx (Title contains string "xxx") AUTHOR: xxx (Written by "xxx") ORGANIZATION: (Issued by company "xxx") DATED-AFTER: mmm-dd-yyyy DATED-BEFORE: mmm-dd-yyyy OBSOLETES: RFCxxxx (List RFCs obsoleting RFC xxxx) To get an RFC on-line without using RFC-INFO, you need two things; namely, the Internet address of an RFC repository and the RFC number. Table 1 lists some of the primary RFC repositories throughout the world. TABLE 1. Some of the RFC Repositories. REGION HOST ADDRESS DIRECTORY E-MAIL SERVER U.S. venera.isis.edu in-notes rfc-index@isi.edu U.S. wuarchive.wustl.edu info/rfc (none) U.S. nic.ddn.mil rfc service@nic.ddn.mil U.S. ftp.nisc.sri.com rfc mail-server@nisc.sri.com U.S. nisc.jvnc.net rfc sendrfc@jvnc.net U.K. src.doc.ic.ac.uk rfc info-server@doc.ic.ac.uk Europe funet.fi rfc archive-server@funet.fi Pacific munnari.oz.au rfc (none) You will need to obtain the RFC index or a have a specific reference for an RFC to know whether the RFC exists in ASCII text or PostScript format. The instructions below show how to get the index; be aware that this file is very large, containing the citing for over 1600 documents. All RFCs that have been cited in this document are available in ASCII text format, unless otherwise noted. There are two mechanisms for on-line retrieval of RFCs, namely, by using an electronic mail server or via anonymous FTP. To obtain RFCs using the electronic mail server, send an e-mail message to an appropriate mail server listed in Table 1 and leave the Subject field blank. In the main body of the message, use one or more of the following commands: SEND HELP (Help file) SEND RFC/RFC-INDEX (RFC Index) SEND RFC/RFCxxxx.TXT (ASCII version of RFC xxxx) SEND RFC/RFCxxxx.PS (PostScript version of RFC xxxx) To obtain RFCs using anonymous FTP, login to one of the RFC servers listed in Table 1 with the username "anonymous" and password "guest". After logging in, change to the rfc directory (as shown in the table) using the "cd" command. To obtain a particular file, use the "get" command: GET RFC-INDEX.txt local_name (RFC Index) GET RFCxxxx.txt local_name (ASCII version of RFC XXXX) GET RFCxxxx.ps local_name (PostScript version of RFC XXXX) ===================================================================== SMCVAX$ MAIL MAIL> SEND To: IN%"MAIL-SERVER@NISC.SRI.COM" Subject: Enter your message below. Press CTRL/Z when complete, CTRL/C to quit: SEND RFC/RFC1594.TXT ^Z MAIL> EXIT SMCVAX$ FTP VENERA.ISI.EDU Username: ANONYMOUS Password: VENERA.ISI.EDU> CD IN-NOTES VENERA.ISI.EDU> GET RFC1594.TXT RFC_1594.TXT VENERA.ISI.EDU> EXIT SMCVAX$ ===================================================================== 4.11.3 Getting STDs 4.11.4 Getting FYIs 4.11.5 Getting internet drafts Distribution lists and mailing lists... STDs Internet standards drafts... =============================== As a final note, RFC 1402 is titled "There's Gold in them thar Networks! -or- Searching for Treasure in all the Wrong Places" and is an excellent guide for someone who wants to tour the internet for information. ========================= 5. Security Considerations Security issues are not discussed in this memo. 6. Acknowledgements St. Mike's and UVM for use of their system for examples... 7. Authors' Address Gary C. Kessler Hill Associates 17 Roosevelt Highway Colchester, VT 05446 Phone: +1 802-655-8633 Fax: +1 802-655-7974 EMail: kumquat@smcvax.smcvt.edu Steven D. Shepard Hill Associates 17 Roosevelt Highway Colchester, VT 05446 Phone: +1 802-655-8646 Fax: +1 802-655-7974 EMail: sshepard@emily.emba.uvm.edu 8. References *********INCOMPLETE********* [1] Reynolds, J., and J. Postel, "Assigned Numbers", STD 2, RFC 1340, USC/Information Sciences Institute, July 1992. [2] Postel, J., Editor, "Internet Official Protocol Standards", STD 1, RFC 1540, Internet Architecture Board, October 1993. [3] Postel, J., and J. Reynolds, "File Transfer Protocol (FTP), STD 9, RFC 959, USC/Information Sciences Institute, October 1985. [4] Postel, J., "Internet Protocol - DARPA Internet Program Protocol Specification", STD 5, RFC 791, DARPA, September 1981. [5] Postel, J., "Transmission Control Protocol - DARPA Internet Program Protocol Specification", STD 7, RFC 793, DARPA, September 1981. [8] Postel, J., "Simple Mail Transfer Protocol", STD 10, RFC 821, USC/Information Sciences Institute, August 1982. [9] Postel, J., and J. Reynolds, "TELNET Protocol Specification", STD 8, RFC 854, USC/Information Sciences Institute, May 1983. [11] Malkin, G., Marine, A., and J. Reynolds, "FYI on Questions and Answers: Answers to Commonly Asked 'Experienced Internet User' Questions", FYI 7, RFC 1207, FTP Software, SRI, USC/Information Sciences Institute, February 1991. [12] Postel, J., "Introduction to the STD Notes", RFC 1311, USC/Information Sciences Institute, March 1992. [13] Krol, E., and E. Hoffman, "FYI on 'What is the Internet?'", FYI 20, RFC 1462, University of Illinois, Merit Network, Inc., May 1993. [2] Mockapetris, P., "Domain Names - Concepts and Facilities", RFC 1034, USC/Information Sciences Institute, November 1987. [3] Rose, M., and K. McCloghrie, "Structure and Identification of Management Information for TCP/IP-based Internets", RFC 1155, Performance Systems International, Hughes LAN Systems, May 1990. [4] McCloghrie, K., and M. Rose, "Management Information Base for Network Management of TCP/IP-based internets", RFC 1156, Hughes LAN Systems, Performance Systems International, May 1990. [5] Case, J., M. Fedor, M. Schoffstall, and J. Davin, "A Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP)", RFC 1157, SNMP Research, Performance Systems International, Performance Systems International, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, May 1990. [6] Rose, M., Editor, "Management Information Base for Network Management of TCP/IP-based internets: MIB-II", RFC 1158, Performance Systems International, May 1990. [8] Romkey, J., "A Nonstandard for Transmission of IP Datagrams over Serial Lines: SLIP", RFC 1055, June 1988. [9] Perkins, D., "The Point-to-Point Protocol: A Proposal for Multi- Protocol Transmission of Datagrams Over Point-to-Point Links", RFC 1171, CMU, July 1990. [11] Reynolds, J., and J. Postel, "Assigned Numbers", RFC 1060, USC/Information Sciences Institute, March 1990. [xx] Libes, D., "Choosing a Name for Your Computer", RFC 1178 (FYI 5), Integrated Systems Group/NIST, August 1990. [xx] Harrenstien, K., Stahl, M., and Feinler, E., "NICNAME/WHOIS", RFC 954, SRI, October 1985. [xx] Anklesaria, F., McCahill, M., Lindner, P., Johnson, D., Torrey, D., and Alberti, B., "The Internet Gopher Protocol", RFC 1436, University of Minnesota, March 1993. [ss] Postel, J., "Domain Name System Structure and Delegation", ISI, RFC 1591, March 1994. [ww] Rose, M., "THE INTERNET MESSAGE: Closing the Book With Electronic Mail", PTR Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs (NJ), 1993. kessler, ppp/slip kessler, tcp/ip feit, TCP/IP feit, SNMP comer, TCP/IP x 3 rose, snmp ----- End Included Message -----   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa22091; 22 Mar 94 20:54 EST Received: from CNRI.RESTON.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa22087; 22 Mar 94 20:54 EST Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa21346; 22 Mar 94 20:54 EST Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA19357; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230144.AA19357@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:43:36 +1300 (NZT) Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz X-Orig-Sender: "ONC List Processor V0.2" Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RFC 1404: Some Comments We've been doing some work on collecting statistics here at Auckland, and wish to store the data in files using the RFC 1404 format. This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. 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We regret that we are unable to provide additional handling of this message. Your message as we received it follows: ============================================================================== From nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Tue Mar 22 20:14:22 1994 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.25/mx-relay) with SMTP id AA03956; Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:14:22 -0600 Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA19357; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230144.AA19357@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:43:36 +1300 (NZT) From: nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Sender: ONC List Processor V0.2 Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RFC 1404: Some Comments We've been doing some work on collecting statistics here at Auckland, and wish to store the data in files using the RFC 1404 format. This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! Cheers, Nevil +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nevil Brownlee: n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz Deputy Director | | FAX: 64 9 373 7425 Computer Centre, The University of Auckland | | Phone: 64 9 373 7599 x8941 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa23191; 22 Mar 94 21:51 EST Received: from CNRI.RESTON.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa23187; 22 Mar 94 21:51 EST Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa22565; 22 Mar 94 21:51 EST Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA21438; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 20:38:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230238.AA21438@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:38:28 -0600 Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: udb@cs.utexas.edu X-Orig-Sender: "ONC List Processor V0.2" Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Expired account, mail returned to sender [This mail has been automatically returned to you.] Your mail message was directed to a user account "stan" which has expired and which has been deactivated pending final deletion from our systems. 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This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! 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This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! 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This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! 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We regret that we are unable to provide additional handling of this message. Your message as we received it follows: ============================================================================== From nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Tue Mar 22 20:14:22 1994 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.25/mx-relay) with SMTP id AA03956; Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:14:22 -0600 Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA19357; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230144.AA19357@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:43:36 +1300 (NZT) From: nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Sender: ONC List Processor V0.2 Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RFC 1404: Some Comments We've been doing some work on collecting statistics here at Auckland, and wish to store the data in files using the RFC 1404 format. This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! 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This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! 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This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! 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We regret that we are unable to provide additional handling of this message. Your message as we received it follows: ============================================================================== From nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Tue Mar 22 20:14:22 1994 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.25/mx-relay) with SMTP id AA03956; Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:14:22 -0600 Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA19357; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230144.AA19357@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:43:36 +1300 (NZT) From: nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Sender: ONC List Processor V0.2 Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RFC 1404: Some Comments We've been doing some work on collecting statistics here at Auckland, and wish to store the data in files using the RFC 1404 format. This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! 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This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! 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This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! 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We regret that we are unable to provide additional handling of this message. Your message as we received it follows: ============================================================================== From nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Tue Mar 22 20:14:22 1994 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.25/mx-relay) with SMTP id AA03956; Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:14:22 -0600 Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA19357; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230144.AA19357@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:43:36 +1300 (NZT) From: nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Sender: ONC List Processor V0.2 Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RFC 1404: Some Comments We've been doing some work on collecting statistics here at Auckland, and wish to store the data in files using the RFC 1404 format. This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! Cheers, Nevil +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nevil Brownlee: n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz Deputy Director | | FAX: 64 9 373 7425 Computer Centre, The University of Auckland | | Phone: 64 9 373 7599 x8941 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa00827; 23 Mar 94 3:26 EST Received: from CNRI.RESTON.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa00823; 23 Mar 94 3:26 EST Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa01765; 23 Mar 94 3:26 EST Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA04230; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 02:22:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230822.AA04230@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 02:22:16 -0600 Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: udb@cs.utexas.edu X-Orig-Sender: "ONC List Processor V0.2" Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Expired account, mail returned to sender [This mail has been automatically returned to you.] Your mail message was directed to a user account "stan" which has expired and which has been deactivated pending final deletion from our systems. 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We regret that we are unable to provide additional handling of this message. Your message as we received it follows: ============================================================================== From nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Tue Mar 22 20:14:22 1994 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.25/mx-relay) with SMTP id AA03956; Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:14:22 -0600 Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA19357; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230144.AA19357@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:43:36 +1300 (NZT) From: nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Sender: ONC List Processor V0.2 Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RFC 1404: Some Comments We've been doing some work on collecting statistics here at Auckland, and wish to store the data in files using the RFC 1404 format. This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! Cheers, Nevil +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nevil Brownlee: n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz Deputy Director | | FAX: 64 9 373 7425 Computer Centre, The University of Auckland | | Phone: 64 9 373 7599 x8941 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa01059; 23 Mar 94 3:49 EST Received: from CNRI.RESTON.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa01055; 23 Mar 94 3:49 EST Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa02012; 23 Mar 94 3:49 EST Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA04885; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 02:44:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230844.AA04885@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 02:44:01 -0600 Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: udb@cs.utexas.edu X-Orig-Sender: "ONC List Processor V0.2" Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Expired account, mail returned to sender [This mail has been automatically returned to you.] Your mail message was directed to a user account "stan" which has expired and which has been deactivated pending final deletion from our systems. 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We regret that we are unable to provide additional handling of this message. Your message as we received it follows: ============================================================================== From nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Tue Mar 22 20:14:22 1994 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.25/mx-relay) with SMTP id AA03956; Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:14:22 -0600 Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA19357; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230144.AA19357@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:43:36 +1300 (NZT) From: nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Sender: ONC List Processor V0.2 Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RFC 1404: Some Comments We've been doing some work on collecting statistics here at Auckland, and wish to store the data in files using the RFC 1404 format. This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! 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We regret that we are unable to provide additional handling of this message. Your message as we received it follows: ============================================================================== From nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Tue Mar 22 20:14:22 1994 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.25/mx-relay) with SMTP id AA03956; Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:14:22 -0600 Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA19357; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230144.AA19357@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:43:36 +1300 (NZT) From: nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Sender: ONC List Processor V0.2 Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RFC 1404: Some Comments We've been doing some work on collecting statistics here at Auckland, and wish to store the data in files using the RFC 1404 format. This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! 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We regret that we are unable to provide additional handling of this message. Your message as we received it follows: ============================================================================== From nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Tue Mar 22 20:14:22 1994 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.25/mx-relay) with SMTP id AA03956; Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:14:22 -0600 Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA19357; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230144.AA19357@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:43:36 +1300 (NZT) From: nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Sender: ONC List Processor V0.2 Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RFC 1404: Some Comments We've been doing some work on collecting statistics here at Auckland, and wish to store the data in files using the RFC 1404 format. This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! Cheers, Nevil +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nevil Brownlee: n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz Deputy Director | | FAX: 64 9 373 7425 Computer Centre, The University of Auckland | | Phone: 64 9 373 7599 x8941 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa01736; 23 Mar 94 4:38 EST Received: from CNRI.RESTON.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa01732; 23 Mar 94 4:38 EST Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa02839; 23 Mar 94 4:38 EST Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA06589; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 03:32:23 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230932.AA06589@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 03:32:08 -0600 Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: udb@cs.utexas.edu X-Orig-Sender: "ONC List Processor V0.2" Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Expired account, mail returned to sender [This mail has been automatically returned to you.] Your mail message was directed to a user account "stan" which has expired and which has been deactivated pending final deletion from our systems. 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We regret that we are unable to provide additional handling of this message. Your message as we received it follows: ============================================================================== From nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Tue Mar 22 20:14:22 1994 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.25/mx-relay) with SMTP id AA03956; Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:14:22 -0600 Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA19357; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230144.AA19357@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:43:36 +1300 (NZT) From: nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Sender: ONC List Processor V0.2 Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RFC 1404: Some Comments We've been doing some work on collecting statistics here at Auckland, and wish to store the data in files using the RFC 1404 format. This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! 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This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! 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We regret that we are unable to provide additional handling of this message. Your message as we received it follows: ============================================================================== From nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Tue Mar 22 20:14:22 1994 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.25/mx-relay) with SMTP id AA03956; Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:14:22 -0600 Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA19357; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230144.AA19357@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:43:36 +1300 (NZT) From: nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Sender: ONC List Processor V0.2 Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RFC 1404: Some Comments We've been doing some work on collecting statistics here at Auckland, and wish to store the data in files using the RFC 1404 format. This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! Cheers, Nevil +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nevil Brownlee: n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz Deputy Director | | FAX: 64 9 373 7425 Computer Centre, The University of Auckland | | Phone: 64 9 373 7599 x8941 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa02558; 23 Mar 94 6:01 EST Received: from CNRI.RESTON.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa02554; 23 Mar 94 6:01 EST Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa03959; 23 Mar 94 6:01 EST Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA09034; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 04:56:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199403231056.AA09034@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 04:56:25 -0600 Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: udb@cs.utexas.edu X-Orig-Sender: "ONC List Processor V0.2" Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Expired account, mail returned to sender [This mail has been automatically returned to you.] Your mail message was directed to a user account "stan" which has expired and which has been deactivated pending final deletion from our systems. 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We regret that we are unable to provide additional handling of this message. Your message as we received it follows: ============================================================================== From nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Tue Mar 22 20:14:22 1994 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.25/mx-relay) with SMTP id AA03956; Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:14:22 -0600 Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA19357; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230144.AA19357@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:43:36 +1300 (NZT) From: nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Sender: ONC List Processor V0.2 Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RFC 1404: Some Comments We've been doing some work on collecting statistics here at Auckland, and wish to store the data in files using the RFC 1404 format. This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! 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We regret that we are unable to provide additional handling of this message. Your message as we received it follows: ============================================================================== From nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Tue Mar 22 20:14:22 1994 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.25/mx-relay) with SMTP id AA03956; Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:14:22 -0600 Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA19357; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230144.AA19357@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:43:36 +1300 (NZT) From: nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Sender: ONC List Processor V0.2 Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RFC 1404: Some Comments We've been doing some work on collecting statistics here at Auckland, and wish to store the data in files using the RFC 1404 format. This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! Cheers, Nevil +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nevil Brownlee: n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz Deputy Director | | FAX: 64 9 373 7425 Computer Centre, The University of Auckland | | Phone: 64 9 373 7599 x8941 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa03506; 23 Mar 94 7:11 EST Received: from CNRI.RESTON.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa03502; 23 Mar 94 7:11 EST Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa05114; 23 Mar 94 7:11 EST Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA10646; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 06:02:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199403231202.AA10646@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 06:01:56 -0600 Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: udb@cs.utexas.edu X-Orig-Sender: "ONC List Processor V0.2" Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Expired account, mail returned to sender [This mail has been automatically returned to you.] Your mail message was directed to a user account "stan" which has expired and which has been deactivated pending final deletion from our systems. 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We regret that we are unable to provide additional handling of this message. Your message as we received it follows: ============================================================================== From nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Tue Mar 22 20:14:22 1994 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.25/mx-relay) with SMTP id AA03956; Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:14:22 -0600 Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA19357; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230144.AA19357@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:43:36 +1300 (NZT) From: nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Sender: ONC List Processor V0.2 Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RFC 1404: Some Comments We've been doing some work on collecting statistics here at Auckland, and wish to store the data in files using the RFC 1404 format. This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! Cheers, Nevil +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nevil Brownlee: n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz Deputy Director | | FAX: 64 9 373 7425 Computer Centre, The University of Auckland | | Phone: 64 9 373 7599 x8941 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa04136; 23 Mar 94 7:50 EST Received: from CNRI.RESTON.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa04132; 23 Mar 94 7:50 EST Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa06256; 23 Mar 94 7:50 EST Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA11896; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 06:39:49 -0600 Message-Id: <199403231239.AA11896@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 06:39:35 -0600 Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: udb@cs.utexas.edu X-Orig-Sender: "ONC List Processor V0.2" Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Expired account, mail returned to sender [This mail has been automatically returned to you.] Your mail message was directed to a user account "stan" which has expired and which has been deactivated pending final deletion from our systems. 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We regret that we are unable to provide additional handling of this message. Your message as we received it follows: ============================================================================== From nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Tue Mar 22 20:14:22 1994 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.25/mx-relay) with SMTP id AA03956; Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:14:22 -0600 Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA19357; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230144.AA19357@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:43:36 +1300 (NZT) From: nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Sender: ONC List Processor V0.2 Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RFC 1404: Some Comments We've been doing some work on collecting statistics here at Auckland, and wish to store the data in files using the RFC 1404 format. This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! Cheers, Nevil +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nevil Brownlee: n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz Deputy Director | | FAX: 64 9 373 7425 Computer Centre, The University of Auckland | | Phone: 64 9 373 7599 x8941 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa05335; 23 Mar 94 8:44 EST Received: from CNRI.RESTON.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa05331; 23 Mar 94 8:44 EST Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa07530; 23 Mar 94 8:43 EST Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA13720; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 07:34:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199403231334.AA13720@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 07:34:03 -0600 Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: udb@cs.utexas.edu X-Orig-Sender: "ONC List Processor V0.2" Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Expired account, mail returned to sender [This mail has been automatically returned to you.] Your mail message was directed to a user account "stan" which has expired and which has been deactivated pending final deletion from our systems. 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We regret that we are unable to provide additional handling of this message. Your message as we received it follows: ============================================================================== From nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Tue Mar 22 20:14:22 1994 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.25/mx-relay) with SMTP id AA03956; Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:14:22 -0600 Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA19357; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199403230144.AA19357@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:43:36 +1300 (NZT) From: nevil@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz Sender: ONC List Processor V0.2 Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RFC 1404: Some Comments We've been doing some work on collecting statistics here at Auckland, and wish to store the data in files using the RFC 1404 format. This has turned out not to be as simple as I'd expected, so we'd like to share this experience and suggest some changes to the format at the Opstats WG meeting in Seattle next week. Most of the changes are aimed at making the file easier to parse automatically. Here's a summary: * Change Kbps to kbps. All the other speeds (Mbps, Tbps) have proper metric prefixes * Ignore all white space in files, treat # to newline as white space. We propose commas within a record (as at present) and a semicolon at the end of a record. * Only allow a single device section. If a device changes enough to require a new device section, that's significant enough for it to be in a complete new file. * Add a 'tag name' list to the label section. This would allow a program to discover from the header which tags appear in the file, which would allow it to allocate storage before starting to read it. * Allow multiple label sections in a file. This would allow the file to be a directory of data files, e.g. one for each day in a week. * Require brackets around tag table, variable field, tag name and data value lists. At present one has to include all possible MIB variable names in a parser for the variable list! See you in Seattle! Cheers, Nevil +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nevil Brownlee: n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz Deputy Director | | FAX: 64 9 373 7425 Computer Centre, The University of Auckland | | Phone: 64 9 373 7599 x8941 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+   Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa06258; 24 Mar 94 10:37 EST Received: from CNRI.RESTON.VA.US by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa06254; 24 Mar 94 10:37 EST Received: from wugate.wustl.edu by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa09536; 24 Mar 94 10:37 EST Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b+/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP id AA26789; Thu, 24 Mar 1994 09:26:06 -0600 Message-Id: <199403241526.AA26789@wugate.wustl.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 16:32:26 +0100 Sender:ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US From: dufaut@isis.u-strasbg.fr X-Orig-Sender: "ONC List Processor V0.2" Reply-To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu To: oswg-l@wugate.wustl.edu Errors-To: oswg-l-errors@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: RFC 1404: Some Comments Thanks for your informations. I'll interest by a short report of Seattle's discussion (if it's possible). Best regards, Michel. __________________________________________________________________________ Universite Louis Pasteur - CRC Michel DUFAUT 7, Rue Rene Descartes 67000 STRASBOURG FRANCE Phone 33 88 41 64 55 E-mail : dufaut@isis.u-strasbg.fr Fax 33 88 41 66 28 __________________________________________________________________________